Question abut Debian 3.0

[Nyros Technologies]

Hi iam lalith, Using debain 3.0 server, Iam setting a cron job through cron job 
Management can you tell me what is the commant to use to run my file

   
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Question abut Debian 3.0

[Nyros Technologies]

Hi iam lalith, Using debain 3.0 server, Iam setting a cron job through cron job 
Management can you tell me what is the commant to use to run my file

   
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Re: mp3 file manager similar to midnight commander

[dulev]

> I am in search of a file manager similar to midnight commander, but
> for use with mp3 files.  

sudo apt-cache show moc


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Re: Etch install with RAID 5

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 11:57:39PM -0500, Patrick Zaloum wrote:
> On Jan 17, 2008 11:33 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 10:48:25PM -0500, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> > > Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:55:41PM -0500, Patrick Zaloum wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello!
> > >>> I am planning on installing a new Etch server. What I would like is to
> > >>> use 3xSATA2 disks to create a RAID5 array. During the install I know I
> > ...
snipped discussion of options...
 
> OK So if i understand correctly, i should use software raid and not
> onboard chipset raids.

well. you should use what *you* want to use. But given a choice
between s/w raid or onboard chipset raid, *I* would choose (and have
chosen) s/w raid for reasons already discussed. Given the choice
between all three: s/w, separate h/w, or onboard h/w I'd take them in
that order. But the distinction between s/w and separate h/w is a
little smaller and for certain applications, the separate h/w may be
better. It's reasonable to assume that if you don't know you need it,
you probably don't. ;)


> I should also not put the entire thing on raid5
> but rather raid1 for OS with one spare partition, and raid 5 for
> data.

yes. a raid 1 disk can be booted (ignoring certain hardware issues
like some obscure disk driver. a good initrd should work around that
fine) on any mobo as is. All you have to do is make sure you're MBR is
copied onto all three disks as well. It gives really nice recovery if
your "first" disk fails. For example, my array uses four disks with
the first two partitions in RAID 1 for /boot and /. I've copied the
MBR onto all four disks and can boot off any disk that the BIOS can
see (two are on a separate card and BIOS can't see them, *but* I could
swap cables and do it.) So basically, so long as a large truck doesn't
run over the box, it will boot. Your raid 1 will come up degraded, but
it will come up and you're running. 

> Is raid 5 really worth the effort with SATA software raid? Or should i
> just use raid 1 all around

you should read:
http://www.miracleas.com/BAARF/

I've got the rest of my four disks in raid5. Its great for space, but
I regret it. A couple times I've had an error hit a disk and when that
thing starts trying to resync the disks, its awful. disk performance
goes into the toilet. I'd not do that again and am trying to figure
out how to get out of it right now. And one consideration, if you're
resyncing a raid5 array and lose *another* disk (a real possibility,
they work hard when resyncing) you are done. With raid 1 or raid 10
(mirrored, striped disks) you lose space but gain a little security. 

For example if I have 4 disks in raid 5 I get roughly 3/4 of the total
size. But if I'm down one disk and am resyncing, if another disk
fails, I lose the whole array.

If I use those same 4 disks in raid 10 (two mirrors of two stripes or
vice-versa, can't remember) I only get 1/2 the total space, but if I'm
down a disk and resyncing, there's a 1 in 3 chance that I won't lose
the array if another disk goes. (or something like that).

If I run all 4 at raid1 then I would need to lose all 4 disks to
lose the array. But I'd also only get 1/4 the total space. 

> Will the boot loader recognize a raid 1 root partition or will it give
> me trouble?

should give you no trouble at all. It looks just like a regular disk,
for all practical purposes. 

Make sure you run through some failure scenarios before you start
putting data on it. Test booting from different disks (actually remove
disks and test it) and so forth so you have an understanding of how it
works.

And most importantly, remember that raid is *not* backup!

A


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Re: package list for CLI-only admin/service install

[joseph lockhart]

> > i'm also open to suggestions
> 
> Hmmm, I'll readup on metapackages.
> Never maintained anything, but how hard would it be
> to prepare
> ONE dummy .deb that pulls all the CLI admin/rescue
> tools I want?.
> After a standard net-install one would just do a
> wget and a dpkg.
> 
> As an alternative, debfoster + a long install list.
> 
> 
> I could start from the app list of a live cd.  
> Doesn't look too hard.
> Once I give it a try I'll post on whether I
> overrated the task.
> 
> 
there is a terminal metapackage that i worked on a
while back, may need some tweeking still (kind of left
it orphaned for the time being)

http://www.cli-apps.org/content/show.php/terminalphile?content=70610

let me know if it helps

jwlockhart

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Re: Etch install with RAID 5

[Patrick Zaloum]

On Jan 17, 2008 11:33 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 10:48:25PM -0500, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> > Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:55:41PM -0500, Patrick Zaloum wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello!
> >>> I am planning on installing a new Etch server. What I would like is to
> >>> use 3xSATA2 disks to create a RAID5 array. During the install I know I
> ...
>
> >> Much better
> >> in my opinion to go straight software raid and leave the hardware out
> >> of it. If the mobo dies you can drag the disks over to another mobo
> >> with potentially different chipsets and it should more or less just
> >> work. With hardware raid, or some mysterious amalgam, you may be
> >> stuck.
> >
> > I agree with Andrew.  Keep it simple.  If I/O is not critical use software
> > raid for "portability" in the event of hardware failure.  IF and only IF
> > I/O is an issue then invest in a real hardware raid controller from a well
> > known vendor.
>
> My very vague understanding is that s/w raid is pretty close
> performance wise to hardware raid at this point so that performance
> gain might not offset the portability (and maybe other) features of
> software raid.
>
> But definitely, getting h/w raid, go for reputation and reliability
> over economy and buy two of them.
>
> more .02
>
> A
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OK So if i understand correctly, i should use software raid and not
onboard chipset raids. I should also not put the entire thing on raid5
but rather raid1 for OS with one spare partition, and raid 5 for data.
Is raid 5 really worth the effort with SATA software raid? Or should i
just use raid 1 all around
Will the boot loader recognize a raid 1 root partition or will it give
me trouble?


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Question about sending local email to gmail

[Rich Bloch]

Hello all,

I have a situation that I'm having a hard time resolving.

I have a local Debian box whose only job in life is to perform backups
daily/weekly/monthly, generate an email of either success or failure,
and send that email to my gmail.com account.

For months, using gmail as the SMTP relay has worked. Recently,
however, it has been failing. A review of /var/log/exim4/mainlog
suggests that the email is no longer allowed to be sent directly to
gmail mail servers.

My ISP is Verizon. So, I decided to try using Verizon as an SMTP host
(outgoing.verizon.net ). Currently, it appears to be working (with the
help of this procedure:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-exim4-users/2006-July/000714.html
),
but I'd really like to understand why it works. Or rather, I'd like to
understand what the proper way to get local email sent to gmail. And
so, this post here on debian.user.

So my question is this, given the following:

email origination: my local machine (running Debian and exim4)
email destination: gmail.com
ISP: verizon.net

What is the correct way to set things up so they are both secure and
reliable?

Thanks much.

Re: Etch install with RAID 5

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 10:48:25PM -0500, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:55:41PM -0500, Patrick Zaloum wrote:
>>   
>>> Hello!
>>> I am planning on installing a new Etch server. What I would like is to
>>> use 3xSATA2 disks to create a RAID5 array. During the install I know I
...

>> Much better
>> in my opinion to go straight software raid and leave the hardware out
>> of it. If the mobo dies you can drag the disks over to another mobo
>> with potentially different chipsets and it should more or less just
>> work. With hardware raid, or some mysterious amalgam, you may be
>> stuck.
>
> I agree with Andrew.  Keep it simple.  If I/O is not critical use software 
> raid for "portability" in the event of hardware failure.  IF and only IF 
> I/O is an issue then invest in a real hardware raid controller from a well 
> known vendor. 

My very vague understanding is that s/w raid is pretty close
performance wise to hardware raid at this point so that performance
gain might not offset the portability (and maybe other) features of
software raid. 

But definitely, getting h/w raid, go for reputation and reliability
over economy and buy two of them. 

more .02

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Re: pppoeconf / Verizon DSL

[Larry Fletcher]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> On Thu January 17 2008 17:51:29 Larry wrote:
> > When I run pppoeconf I get: "the Access Concentrator of your provider
> > did not respond."  I have also tried pppoe-setup.  At this point, I
> > really wonder if the modem is even connected to the computer.  Is
> > there a way to check it?

> To use pppoe your DSL modem must be in transparent mode, which is
> unusual in the US.  Most people use the DSL modem as a router, in which
> case you just setup ethernet to get IP from DHCP, and forget about pppoe.

I have no idea what that means, but I'll give DHCP a try if you know
of some good documentation that explains how to set it up.  Can you
recommend some packages?

On the other hand, I might have made some progress by removing a DHCP
package I tried and changing /etc/network/interfaces back to the way
it was.  At least now I can use Apache, FTP, and Dict again.

Now when I run 'pon dsl-provider' and plog I get:

Jan 17 19:54:08 lotek pppd[6273]: pppd 2.4.4 started by root, uid 0
Jan 17 19:54:08 lotek pppd[6273]: Using interface ppp0
Jan 17 19:54:08 lotek pppd[6273]: found interface eth0 for proxy arp
Jan 17 19:54:08 lotek pppd[6273]: local  IP address 10.64.64.64
Jan 17 19:54:08 lotek pppd[6273]: remote IP address 10.112.112.112

If I paste 10.64.64.64 into the browser I get my system, but if
I paste 10.112.112.112 I get nothing.

In the syslog it says:

Jan 17 19:55:48 lotek pppoe[6312]: Timeout waiting for PADO packets
Jan 17 19:56:57 lotek pppd[6273]: Starting link
Jan 17 19:56:57 lotek pppd[6273]: Serial connection established.   
Jan 17 19:56:57 lotek pppd[6273]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/3
Jan 17 19:57:28 lotek pppd[6273]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests 
Jan 17 19:57:28 lotek pppd[6273]: Connection terminated.   
Jan 17 19:57:32 lotek pppoe[6327]: Timeout waiting for PADO packets

I have read that it should be 'Connect: ppp0 <--> eth0', but I don't
know why it's not right.

   Larry


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Re: pppoeconf / Verizon DSL

[Russell L. Harris]

* Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080117 21:28]:
> I've been using Debian with dial-up for about 8 years and it's getting
> pretty slow, so I thought I would try DSL.  The problem is I have
> absolutely no understanding of how DSL works.  If I could get a
> connection I don't even understand how the browsers, etc. know how to
> use it.  And this is after reading the docs, searching Google and the
> Debian list, etc.  Is there a good step by step guide somewhere?
> 
> When I run pppoeconf I get: "the Access Concentrator of your provider
> did not respond."  I have also tried pppoe-setup.  At this point, I
> really wonder if the modem is even connected to the computer.  Is
> there a way to check it?
...


I think that the easiest possible way to handle PPPoE is with
SmoothWall Express 2.0 (www.smoothwall.org).  SmoothWall is a GPL
firewall/router package which pre-configured, is administered through
a web interface, and is extremely well documented with internal,
on-line help files.  SmoothWall requires only an old PC of the Pentium
variety (200 MHz Pentium processor, 64 Mbyte RAM, 1 Gbyte drive, CD
ROM for installation, 2 ethernet ports).

After you download a small ISO image and burn a CD, you can install
SmoothWall in about 15 minutes.  Once SmoothWall has been installed,
go to any machine in the LAN, open a browser, and view the SmoothWall
administration web page at http://192.168.1.1:81 .

You can set up SmoothWall to act as a DHCP server for the LAN, and you
can set it up to handle PPPoE.  If you need help, every web page has a
HELP button which brings up a comprehensive explanation of the
parameters and options.

Should you need to return to dial-up, it takes only a few minutes to
switch SmoothWall from DSL to dial-up or from dial-up to DSL.

I have been running SmoothWall Express 2.0 for several years, and it
has been trouble-free.

RLH


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Re: Etch install with RAID 5

[Damon L. Chesser]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:55:41PM -0500, Patrick Zaloum wrote:
  

Hello!
I am planning on installing a new Etch server. What I would like is to
use 3xSATA2 disks to create a RAID5 array. During the install I know I
can create md RAID devices from the partition tables I set up
identically on the 3 disks, but is there a more attractive way to set
up the array so that the system is fully RAID5 instead of 6 or 7 RAID5
devices over 3 SATA disks?



What do you mean 6 or 7 raid5 devices over three disks? This doesn't
make sense to me. 


But first, it's a *bad* idea to put your whole system on raid5 because
if the array goes down, your screwed. At least put / and critical
parts of the fs (bin, sbin, root, etc, and so forth) on raid1. Then if
the thing tanks you can at least boot off any one of the three disks. 


Carve out a smallish (couple gigs up to maybe 10gigs) at the front of
each disk and put those together in raid1, then use the remaining
portion of each disk as raid5. 

  

I investigated using motherboards with onboard "software" RAID
chipsets, but am worried about compatibility issues. Googling gave me
the dmraid package that should be compatible with the "Intel(R) Matrix
Storage Technology".. (ICH8R) but I don't know if I can use this
"pre-install" so that it works almost as a true hardware RAID.



again I'm confused and it all sounds a little fishy to me. Much better
in my opinion to go straight software raid and leave the hardware out
of it. If the mobo dies you can drag the disks over to another mobo
with potentially different chipsets and it should more or less just
work. With hardware raid, or some mysterious amalgam, you may be
stuck.

very much just .02

A
  

FWIW,

I agree with Andrew.  Keep it simple.  If I/O is not critical use 
software raid for "portability" in the event of hardware failure.  IF 
and only IF I/O is an issue then invest in a real hardware raid 
controller from a well known vendor.  If your server dies, transport 
over the controller and the HDs and your back up.  If your controller 
dies, you lose everything with out a replacement controller (and it has 
to be exact or at least based off the same chipset/embeded system family).


HTH

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Re: pppoeconf / Verizon DSL

[Mike Bird]

On Thu January 17 2008 17:51:29 Larry wrote:
> When I run pppoeconf I get: "the Access Concentrator of your provider
> did not respond."  I have also tried pppoe-setup.  At this point, I
> really wonder if the modem is even connected to the computer.  Is
> there a way to check it?

To use pppoe your DSL modem must be in transparent mode, which is
unusual in the US.  Most people use the DSL modem as a router, in which
case you just setup ethernet to get IP from DHCP, and forget about pppoe.


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Re: Help with debconf

[Joey Hess]

Alex Gonzalez wrote:
> pvalex:~# debconf-show pvrfs
> * pvrfs/partition: /dev/hda2
> pvalex:~# apt-get --purge remove pvrfs
> pvalex:~# debconf-show pvrfs
> pvalex:~#
> pvalex:~# apt-get install pvrfs
> debconf (developer): <-- INPUT high pvrfs/partition
> debconf (developer): --> 30 question skipped

One reason that this can happen is that debconf allows multiple owners
for a question, and will not forget the question has been seen until all
owners go away. Purging the package removes one owner, but the other
owner keeps the question in the db.

If you've run the package's config script by hand, it probably has
"unknown" set as the owner too. You could verify this by using
debconf-get-selections or looking at the database by hand. This extra
owner can be removed:

echo PURGE | debconf-communicate unknown

> > My guess is that there is a problem with file descriptor 12, how can I
> > find out what is this descriptor supposed to be?

This file descriptor is opened by debconf to read the result value from
whiptail and is unlikely to be related to whatever problem you were
seeing.

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pppoeconf / Verizon DSL

[Larry]

I've been using Debian with dial-up for about 8 years and it's getting
pretty slow, so I thought I would try DSL.  The problem is I have
absolutely no understanding of how DSL works.  If I could get a
connection I don't even understand how the browsers, etc. know how to
use it.  And this is after reading the docs, searching Google and the
Debian list, etc.  Is there a good step by step guide somewhere?

When I run pppoeconf I get: "the Access Concentrator of your provider
did not respond."  I have also tried pppoe-setup.  At this point, I
really wonder if the modem is even connected to the computer.  Is
there a way to check it?

I have no idea what to do next, so any help would be greatly
appreciated.

The following is what I have so far and I know I'm not even close
because Apache, FTP, and Dict no longer work.

Westell 6100 modem   DSL2+Router

I have added my password information to chap-secrets
and pap-secrets.

Syslog
-
eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xdc00, IRQ 11, 00:d0:09:c9:6d:94

lsmod
-
pppoe  14528  0
pppox   3720  1 pppoe
sis900 20612  0


/etc/network/interfaces:
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

iface eth0 inet dhcp

auto dsl-provider
iface dsl-provider inet ppp
 provider dsl-provider
 pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf


lotek:~# ifup eth0
Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5

ppp0: unknown hardware address type 512
ppp1: unknown hardware address type 512
sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
ppp0: unknown hardware address type 512
ppp1: unknown hardware address type 512
sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
Listening on LPF/eth0/00:18:3a:f7:c4:14
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:18:3a:f7:c4:14
Sending on   Socket/fallback/fallback-net
DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1
bound to 192.168.1.47 -- renewal in 43200 seconds.


lotek:~# ifconfig -a
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:18:3A:F7:C4:14  
  inet addr:192.168.1.47  Bcast:255.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::218:3aff:fef7:c414/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:12088 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:150 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:725852 (708.8 KiB)  TX bytes:8530 (8.3 KiB)
  Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00 

loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  LOOPBACK  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:1718 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:1718 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
  RX bytes:123662 (120.7 KiB)  TX bytes:123662 (120.7 KiB)

ppp1  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol  
  POINTOPOINT NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)

sit0  Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4  
  NOARP  MTU:1480  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)



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Re: sed -i turns link into file

[Александър Л . Димитров]

Quoth Jonathan Wilson:
> On Thursday 17 January 2008 10:48:41 Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> > I encountered something rather odd and in my eyes disturbing: if I edit
> > a symlinked file with an ordinary editor (nano, kate, ...) the editor
> > edits the file instead and leaves the symlink intact.
> 
> I Tried this on SuSE and it behaves the same. If it's a bug (sure seems odd 
> to 
> me) it must be in the upstream sed, not Debian's packages.

I don't think it's a bug, but a feature. And a workaround is quite easy to
implement, if you need it (via file or ls -l and a small sed script or whatever
alternative there might be in UNIX-world). Though it might be confusing to the
beginner, when I point sed to a _filename_ I want the resulting file to be
written to *that* file - that's surely not what everyone wants, but at least it
dodges semantic ambiguity and makes things more predictable.

As I said, circumventing this isn't really much of an issue, so that shouldn't
really pose any problems.

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Re: mp3 file manager similar to midnight commander

[Александър Л . Димитров]

Quoth Russell L. Harris:
> I am in search of a file manager similar to midnight commander, but
> for use with mp3 files.  

I don't know what Midnight Commander is, but for managing many mp3's (and audio
files in general) Easytag (it's in the repos) has proven to be an invaluable
resource. Picard is better for stuff that's in Musicbrainz already (which, I
assume, is not the case here), but otherwise, just use easytag. I think it's not
that much aimed at general file managing, but more at managing a music library,
but it might suit your needs.

Otherwise Konqueror might help you as well.

Aleks


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Re: mp3 file manager similar to midnight commander

[Ralph Katz]

On 01/17/2008 07:46 PM, Ralph Katz wrote:
> View=%view{ascii} mpg123 -vtn1 %f 2>&1 | sed -n
> '/^Title/,/^Comment/p;/^
> MPEG/,/^Audio/p'
> 
> 
> So I can see the tags with F3 and play them with Enter.

This is with the free mpg321 package installed, btw.

Ralph


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Re: mp3 file manager similar to midnight commander

[Ralph Katz]

On 01/17/2008 05:24 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> I am in search of a file manager similar to midnight commander, but
> for use with mp3 files.  
> 
> The manager needs to be able to transfer files from one directory to
> another, and to display the ID3 tags (even as midnight commander
> displays the file content).
> 
> I have a directory which has many mp3 files of lectures on various
> subjects, and only a small number of the lectures are of interest to
> me.  The ID3 tag of each file contains the subject of the lecture.
> 
> But I cannot read the ID3 tag with midnight commander (does midnight
> commander have this capability), and I am not aware of a mp3 tag
> utility which allows me to move, copy, and delete files.
> 
> The Debian package called "juice" is a playlist editor, but cannot
> copy, move, or delete files.  Also, juice still is preliminary
> (release 0.03p), is rather crude, and appears to be no longer in
> development.
> 
> RLH

In etch, MC shows me the ID3 tags for mp3 files in its default
configuration.  I haven't touched this.

>From ~/.mc/bindings:

regex/\.(mp3|MP3|Mp3)$

Open=run-mailcap audio/mpeg:%f

#Open=if [ "$DISPLAY" = "" ]; then mpg123 %f; else (xmms %f &);
fi
View=%view{ascii} mpg123 -vtn1 %f 2>&1 | sed -n
'/^Title/,/^Comment/p;/^
MPEG/,/^Audio/p'


So I can see the tags with F3 and play them with Enter.

This is different for you?

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Re: Help with debconf

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:21:12PM +, Alex Gonzalez wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> Thanks for your answer.
> 
> I had been playing with the debconf configuration changing priority
> values, to no avail.
> 
> The current configuration is:
> 
>   debconf-apt-progress/info:
>   debconf-apt-progress/preparing:
> * debconf/frontend: Dialog
> * debconf/priority: low
>   debconf-apt-progress/media-change:
>   debconf-apt-progress/title:
> 
> And the complete sequence of events is:
> 
> pvalex:~# apt-get --purge remove pvrfs
> Reading package lists... Done

snipped sequence showing debconf skipping questions. 

sorry. I'm done on this one. maybe joey hess is listening...

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Re: Etch install with RAID 5

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:55:41PM -0500, Patrick Zaloum wrote:
> Hello!
> I am planning on installing a new Etch server. What I would like is to
> use 3xSATA2 disks to create a RAID5 array. During the install I know I
> can create md RAID devices from the partition tables I set up
> identically on the 3 disks, but is there a more attractive way to set
> up the array so that the system is fully RAID5 instead of 6 or 7 RAID5
> devices over 3 SATA disks?

What do you mean 6 or 7 raid5 devices over three disks? This doesn't
make sense to me. 

But first, it's a *bad* idea to put your whole system on raid5 because
if the array goes down, your screwed. At least put / and critical
parts of the fs (bin, sbin, root, etc, and so forth) on raid1. Then if
the thing tanks you can at least boot off any one of the three disks. 

Carve out a smallish (couple gigs up to maybe 10gigs) at the front of
each disk and put those together in raid1, then use the remaining
portion of each disk as raid5. 

> 
> I investigated using motherboards with onboard "software" RAID
> chipsets, but am worried about compatibility issues. Googling gave me
> the dmraid package that should be compatible with the "Intel(R) Matrix
> Storage Technology".. (ICH8R) but I don't know if I can use this
> "pre-install" so that it works almost as a true hardware RAID.

again I'm confused and it all sounds a little fishy to me. Much better
in my opinion to go straight software raid and leave the hardware out
of it. If the mobo dies you can drag the disks over to another mobo
with potentially different chipsets and it should more or less just
work. With hardware raid, or some mysterious amalgam, you may be
stuck.

very much just .02

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Re: mp3 file manager similar to midnight commander

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> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:24:58PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > I am in search of a file manager similar to midnight commander, but
> > for use with mp3 files.  
> > 
> > The manager needs to be able to transfer files from one directory to
> > another, and to display the ID3 tags (even as midnight commander
> > displays the file content).
> > 
> I've never used MP3 files so I can't test it, but what about
> Konqueror? It seems to be able to do everything else.
> 
> Doug.

That would be my suggestion. If you are using Konqueror as a file
browser, the "View - Info List" option will show you ID3 tags and
"Window - Split View Left/Right" will give you a two column layout
similar to MC. The only draw back is that it's not curses based.

Is there anything Konqueror can't do?
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Re: mp3 file manager similar to midnight commander

[John Hasler]

Write a script using something like cutmp3 to extract the ids and put them
(and the associated file name) in a file.  Edit the file with any text
editor to remove the uninteresting entries.  Run another script to move the
remaining files.
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Re: mp3 file manager similar to midnight commander

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:24:58PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> I am in search of a file manager similar to midnight commander, but
> for use with mp3 files.  
> 
> The manager needs to be able to transfer files from one directory to
> another, and to display the ID3 tags (even as midnight commander
> displays the file content).
> 
> I have a directory which has many mp3 files of lectures on various
> subjects, and only a small number of the lectures are of interest to
> me.  The ID3 tag of each file contains the subject of the lecture.
> 
> But I cannot read the ID3 tag with midnight commander (does midnight
> commander have this capability), and I am not aware of a mp3 tag
> utility which allows me to move, copy, and delete files.

I've never used MP3 files so I can't test it, but what about Konqueror?
It seems to be able to do everything else.

Doug.


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mp3 file manager similar to midnight commander

[Russell L. Harris]

I am in search of a file manager similar to midnight commander, but
for use with mp3 files.  

The manager needs to be able to transfer files from one directory to
another, and to display the ID3 tags (even as midnight commander
displays the file content).

I have a directory which has many mp3 files of lectures on various
subjects, and only a small number of the lectures are of interest to
me.  The ID3 tag of each file contains the subject of the lecture.

But I cannot read the ID3 tag with midnight commander (does midnight
commander have this capability), and I am not aware of a mp3 tag
utility which allows me to move, copy, and delete files.

The Debian package called "juice" is a playlist editor, but cannot
copy, move, or delete files.  Also, juice still is preliminary
(release 0.03p), is rather crude, and appears to be no longer in
development.

RLH


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Security option in Evolution account setup

[Erçin EKER]

I am using Debian Unstale, I have tried to add gmail to evolution but
there is no security (in receiving/sending email) or ssl releated
options. Did i miss something to install or am i blind? :)

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Re: Error in Image for DVD from Debian_i386 DVD 1

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:43:12PM -0300, Varlei Everton Menconi wrote:
> I tried install the Debian 4.0 etch stable from iso images for DVD.
> 
> The file iso image (debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso)contents the directory
> Debian th at is a link for . (directory corrent) return error and that
> impossible the installation.
> 
> I tried get the image from others mirrors and various format differents
> (http, jigdo, bitorrent) but the error continue. The directory Debian to
> point for . (Debian -> .) in all images downloads.
> 
> How to i make download the image correct, that make installation for
> Debian ?

If you verified that the MD5 is correct, then the file is correct.

Rather than worrying that a link points to the local directory, (I
remember something about that), just try the install and if it doesn't
work, give us the error message the installer gives you.

Doug.


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Error in Image for DVD from Debian_i386 DVD 1

[Varlei Everton Menconi]

Hello,

I tried install the Debian 4.0 etch stable from iso images for DVD.

The file iso image (debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso)contents the directory
Debian th at is a link for . (directory corrent) return error and that
impossible the installation.

I tried get the image from others mirrors and various format differents
(http, jigdo, bitorrent) but the error continue. The directory Debian to
point for . (Debian -> .) in all images downloads.

How to i make download the image correct, that make installation for
Debian ?

I wait your return.

Thanks Regards,

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Re: package list for CLI-only admin/service install

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:45:11AM -0800, SpamHog wrote:
> I've been looking for a Custom Debian Distributions or package list or
> metapackage which would pull in plenty of CLI-only admin - rescue -
> network - security tools, a few key servers (file, ssh,, and little
> more),  basic clients for communicating (http, irc, etc etc) many
> drivers, but no X.
 
> Does anybody keep such a "pure Debian CLI tools"
> metapackage or package list or CDD
> with such a selction of apps?
 
When I install, I do a minimal install (don't select any tasks, not even
"standard"), then set up aptitude.  For my spare box (used both for
accessing the main box, but also as a reference box in case the main box
goes down), I install a fair bit.  I generally include X in case there
are any pdf docs I need or if I need a graphical browser.  For that
purpose, I include links2.  Since I may want to print out more than
plain-text, I include apsfilter and gs-gpl in addition to lpr.  I
include the docs for most things.  I didn't include the tar doc package
since mc will handle it natively.

I don't create a metapackage.  It doesn't take me long to go down my
usual list and select what I need.

I hope this helps.

Doug.

Here's the list but I'll remove the X
stuff from it.  FYI, the list is created with 
# aptitude search '~i!~M' (installed not automatically)

i   adduser - Add and remove users and groups   
i   anacron - cron-like program that doesn't go by time 
i   apsfilter   - Magic print filter with automatic file typ
i   apt-doc - Documentation for APT 
i   apt-howto-en- example-based guide to APT (English)  
i   apt-utils   - APT utility programs  
i   aptitude- terminal-based apt frontend   
i   aptitude-doc-en - English manual for aptitude, a terminal-ba
i   bash- The GNU Bourne Again SHell
i   bwm-ng  - small and simple console-based bandwidth m
i   cron- management of regular background processin
i   debconf-english - small footprint English-only debconf  
i   debian-policy   - Debian Policy Manual and related documents
i   debian-reference-en - Debian system administration guide, Englis
i   dnsmasq - A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server 
i   doc-linux-html  - Linux HOWTOs and FAQs in HTML format  
i   doc-linux-nonfree-html  - Linux HOWTOs in HTML format (non-free)
i   dosfstools  - Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT f
i   ed  - The classic unix line editor  
i   exim4   - metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installa
i   fdutils - Linux floppy utilities
i   file- Determines file type using "magic" numbers
i   grub- GRand Unified Bootloader  
i   grub-doc- Documentation for GRand Unified Bootloader
i   gs-gpl  - The GPL Ghostscript PostScript interpreter
i   gsfonts-x11 - Make Ghostscript fonts available to X11   
i   hwb - The Hardware Book 
i   icewm   - wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window man
i   iptables- administration tools for packet filtering 
i   less- Pager program similar to more 
i   libc6-i686  - GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 opti
i   libpaper-utils  - Library for handling paper characteristics
i   links2  - Web browser running in both graphics and t
i   linux-image-686 - Linux kernel image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII
i   logrotate   - Log rotation utility  
i   lpr - BSD lpr/lpd line printer spooling system  
i   lrzsz   - Tools for zmodem/xmodem/ymodem file transf
i   lynx- Text-mode WWW Browser 
i   mailx   - A simple mail user agent  
i   makepasswd  - Generate and encrypt passwords
i   man-db  - The on-line manual pager  
i   manpages- Manual pages about using a GNU/Linux syste
i   mc  - midnight commander - a powerful file manag
i   menu- generates programs menu for all menu-aware
i   mime-support- MIME files 'mime.types' & 'mailcap', and s
i  

Re: powerline ethernet

[David Brodbeck]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:58 AM, John Hasler wrote:


David Brodbeck writes:

At worst, everyone on the same distribution transformer.  The
transformers should act as pretty effective chokes for high-frequency
signals like this.


I don't think that you can guarantee that no signal will leak  
through via

capacitive winding to winding coupling.


No guarantees, no.  But my experience with carrier-current stuff is  
you're lucky if it has enough range to work everywhere in *one*  
building.  And this isn't WiFi; a bigger antenna isn't going to  
help. ;)  So in that case you're into a scenario of someone with an  
oscilloscope noticing the signal and building something custom to  
amplify and demodulate it.  Technically possible, but unlikely unless  
your network is a really tempting target for some reason.


At any rate, the easy solution is to run OpenVPN on top.


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Re: Etch install with RAID 5

[Justin Piszcz]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Patrick Zaloum wrote:


Hello!
I am planning on installing a new Etch server. What I would like is to
use 3xSATA2 disks to create a RAID5 array. During the install I know I
can create md RAID devices from the partition tables I set up
identically on the 3 disks, but is there a more attractive way to set
up the array so that the system is fully RAID5 instead of 6 or 7 RAID5
devices over 3 SATA disks?

I investigated using motherboards with onboard "software" RAID
chipsets, but am worried about compatibility issues. Googling gave me
the dmraid package that should be compatible with the "Intel(R) Matrix
Storage Technology".. (ICH8R) but I don't know if I can use this
"pre-install" so that it works almost as a true hardware RAID.

Could anyone give me some pointers or shed some light on these issues?

Thanks,
Pat


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Up to you, for my root filesystem I usually keep it RAID1 and use other 
disks for the RAID5.


In any event if you go RAID5 with 3 disks whether you use the Intel Matrix 
RAID and use the md driver you'll still need a /boot as lilo/grub cannot 
boot off of RAID5, not sure for dm.


I have 2 disks in RAID1 and 10 disks in RAID5, separation between the data 
and the root filesystem is the best idea IMO, you'll get poor random 
access speeds for kernel compiles etc on RAID5, would recommend RAID1 for 
root fs.


Justin.


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Etch install with RAID 5

[Patrick Zaloum]

Hello!
I am planning on installing a new Etch server. What I would like is to
use 3xSATA2 disks to create a RAID5 array. During the install I know I
can create md RAID devices from the partition tables I set up
identically on the 3 disks, but is there a more attractive way to set
up the array so that the system is fully RAID5 instead of 6 or 7 RAID5
devices over 3 SATA disks?

I investigated using motherboards with onboard "software" RAID
chipsets, but am worried about compatibility issues. Googling gave me
the dmraid package that should be compatible with the "Intel(R) Matrix
Storage Technology".. (ICH8R) but I don't know if I can use this
"pre-install" so that it works almost as a true hardware RAID.

Could anyone give me some pointers or shed some light on these issues?

Thanks,
Pat


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Re: package list for CLI-only admin/service install

[SpamHog]

On Jan 17, 12:50 pm, Martin Marcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i'm also open to suggestions

Hmmm, I'll readup on metapackages.
Never maintained anything, but how hard would it be to prepare
ONE dummy .deb that pulls all the CLI admin/rescue tools I want?.
After a standard net-install one would just do a wget and a dpkg.

As an alternative, debfoster + a long install list.


I could start from the app list of a live cd.   Doesn't look too hard.
Once I give it a try I'll post on whether I overrated the task.

Re: powerline ethernet

[John Hasler]

David Brodbeck writes:
> At worst, everyone on the same distribution transformer.  The
> transformers should act as pretty effective chokes for high-frequency
> signals like this.

I don't think that you can guarantee that no signal will leak through via
capacitive winding to winding coupling.
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Re: Program to display icc color profiles as 3D plots?

[Micaela Gallerini]

2008/1/17, Bruno Buys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Can someone here recommend a linux program similiar to the IccToolBox
> in the mac´s (or Chromix´s ColorThink), that will plot icc profiles in
> a 3D graph? This is to compare how they fit in the L.a.b. space.
> Thanks all!
>


hi,

   try to wings3D or blender I know these softwares

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Re: [OT] top posting

[Ron Johnson]

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On 01/17/08 12:46, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 17/01/2008, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Jan 16, 2008 8:08 AM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On 16/01/2008, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If ducks float, they must be made of wood (or small rocks), so if
>> the witch weighs the same as a duck, then she must be made of
>> wood and therefore, she'll float, so she's a witch.
> The sad thing is that I know people who's minds work like that...
 Given that you're in the country that invented the witch-hunt, that's
 not much surprise.
>>> Care to elaborate?
>> Some early American history here...
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
> 
> According to TFA, the events in question happened in Essex, Suffolk,
> and Middlesex Counties of colonial Massachusetts, which are in the
> United States, not Israel. You have me misplaced.

Although it's been snipped out by now, chain-of-thread shows that he
was replying to me, and trying to make Yet Another Snide Comment
about the US.

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Re: [OT] top posting

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 05:59 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 07:58:09AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> >> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>> Exotic mathematics without a grounding in reality is medieval philosophy 
> >>> trying to determine how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
> >> Two. No, seven!
> >>
> >> Arg. You made me lose count!
> > 
> > oh come on. Everyone knows this:  42!
> > 
> 
> Damn! I thought I was alone on the head of this pin!
> 

42 is, in fact, the answer to the question about Life, Universe and
Everything else...


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Program to display icc color profiles as 3D plots?

[Bruno Buys]

Can someone here recommend a linux program similiar to the IccToolBox
in the mac´s (or Chromix´s ColorThink), that will plot icc profiles in
a 3D graph? This is to compare how they fit in the L.a.b. space.
Thanks all!


Bruno




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Re: [OT] top posting

[Dotan Cohen]

On 17/01/2008, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 2008 8:08 AM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 16/01/2008, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > If ducks float, they must be made of wood (or small rocks), so if
> > > > > the witch weighs the same as a duck, then she must be made of
> > > > > wood and therefore, she'll float, so she's a witch.
> > > >
> > > > The sad thing is that I know people who's minds work like that...
> > >
> > > Given that you're in the country that invented the witch-hunt, that's
> > > not much surprise.
> >
> > Care to elaborate?
>
> Some early American history here...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

According to TFA, the events in question happened in Essex, Suffolk,
and Middlesex Counties of colonial Massachusetts, which are in the
United States, not Israel. You have me misplaced.

Dotan Cohen

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Re: powerline ethernet

[David Brodbeck]

On Jan 16, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
Ah :-) Since anybody on the same power line [*] can listen in, it  
should

be treated similarly to an unsecured wireless network. My solution was
to run openvpn on top.


At worst, everyone on the same distribution transformer.  The  
transformers should act as pretty effective chokes for high-frequency  
signals like this.  If you live out in the boonies and have your own  
power drop, it could be just you, but if you live in town that's  
potentially several households.



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Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

[David Brodbeck]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 4:24 AM, Peter Teunissen wrote:

I have no experience with wifi range extenders but it seems to me it
should really just 'resend' the signal. If the extender is a 802.11g
device, I'd expect it to produce the same throughput as the original
source.


When dealing with a half-duplex broadcast network like this, it's  
helpful to think of bandwidth in terms of time.  A range extender has  
to take the time to listen to a packet, then it has to take the same  
amount of time to transmit that packet.  (In a half-duplex network you  
can't talk and listen at the same time.)  So it takes twice as much  
time to send a packet through a range extender as it does to send it  
direct.  This halves the available bandwidth.


Likewise, copying from a wireless device to another wireless device,  
through an access point, gives you half the bandwidth you'd get going  
from a wireless device to a wired device; the access point has to  
listen to each packet, then resend it.


This is also why having 802.11b devices on an 802.11b/g network tends  
to lower throughput dramatically; the b packets take up more airtime,  
leaving less bandwidth available.



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Re: Who uses Debian? Wikipedia doesn't tell.

[joseph lockhart]

> I'll be trying to pitch Debian as the OS for a
> project to my employer.
> One of the arguments will be to mention a few really
> big and important
> Debian implementations. I tried to see if there was
> such a list on the
> Wikipedia Debian article but found none. I couldn't
> find info about it
> on debian.org either. Can someone suggest a place
> (url) that is
> trustworthy (to a proprietary minded employer) and
> contains such a list?
> 
you mean like on the debian homepage 

http://www.debian.org/users/index.html

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Re: GUI programming

[Mark Clarkson]

On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 07:06 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 01/17/08 03:53, Magnus Therning wrote:
> > Jozef Peterka wrote:
> >> Hi there,
> >> just a short note: there are MANY popular toolkits, mostly qt(KDE),
> >> gtk(GNOME), wx, etc. etc. 
> >> But, you are probably asking about multiplatformness of those. So let
> >> see ... look at all the great mozilla software, they are writen with GTK
> >> + toolkit, and as you can now firefox, thunderbird etc. are well running
> >> both on linux, bsd(s) and windows - maybe gtk+ is what you are looking
> >> for...
> > 
> > AFAIK mozilla is written on top of /all/ those toolkits (QT, GTK,
> > Windows), with an insulating abstraction layer.  So that happens to be a
> > bad example.
> > 
> > IIRC wxwidgets basically is such an abstraction layer, which might make
> > it very suitable toolkit to use.
> 
> wxwidgets 2.8 was released more than a year ago, but according to
> threads on debian-devel which come up on a regular basis, it still
> hasn't been packaged by Debian, because there are so many
> outstanding upstream bugs.

Although it _is_ available in Ubuntu and Apple, and debs are available
for Debian. If you read the debian-devel threads or look at the
wxWidgets dev and user mailing lists you'll see that there's some bad
feelings between wx and the current wxWidgets debian maintainer so I
wouldn't read to much into the fact that it's not packaged by Debian.

One strong point for wxWidgets is that it is truly native on each
platform so never feels out of place, unlike many other cross-platform
tools. I program with it daily and will soon be trying to use it for
developing for the nokia n800 tablet (should be fun!).

For evaluating wxWidgets you could download dialogblocks and compile
some of the many samples. Dialogblocks itself is a great example of
wxWidgets and makes it very easy to build the wxWidgets libraries, build
your code, and is great for UI design.

Cheers
Mark.


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Re: powerline ethernet

[Scott Lair]

Barry Samuels wrote:
> 
> I have recently purchased two Solwise 200Mbps
> NET-PL-200AV-PUSH. They installed (nothing other than plugging them in 
> really) and worked. I've had no trouble with them and transfer speed is 
> good.
> 
> One of the reasons I chose them is that they offered to take them back 
> and give a full refund if the units didn't work properly in my 
> situation.
> 
> I use Debian Testing.


Very good, just what I wanted to hear.  Have you tested the throughput on them?
Just curious if you are getting around 20MBs or more like 10MBs.

Thanks to the others who replied. I'll certainly check the phone wiring first.
I've seen a thread about wireless repeaters on this list also.  Hadn't thought
about that, but I suppose it may be an option.

scott



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Re: how can I redirect Subversion/apache msgs to a new file

[Steve Kemp]

On Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 17:41:11 +, michael wrote:

> Okay, given this seems somewhat Debian-related (rather than subversion
> only) I've added Debian-user to the cc list and also the
> debian-admininstration lot in case they wish to use the info:

  There is no 'debian-administration lot'.  This is a mail address
 for website problems, bug reports, etc.

  Requests for help to this address generally receive a polite reply
 saying that I do not offer personal support to unsolicited mails.

  Please do not Cc any replies here.

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Re: Who uses Debian? Wikipedia doesn't tell.

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Thomas Anderson wrote:
> I'll be trying to pitch Debian as the OS for a project to my employer.
> One of the arguments will be to mention a few really big and important
> Debian implementations. I tried to see if there was such a list on the
> Wikipedia Debian article but found none. I couldn't find info about it
> on debian.org either. Can someone suggest a place (url) that is
> trustworthy (to a proprietary minded employer) and contains such a list?
> 
http://www.us.debian.org/users/

I believe you didn't look that well :-)

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Re: how can I redirect Subversion/apache msgs to a new file

[michael]

On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:22 -0500, Kris Deugau wrote:
> michael wrote:
> > Glad you've both got it working.
> 
> I'm afraid I have to add a "Works for me too!" to that;  I just added 
> SVN action logging to one vhost, checked out and committed to a test 
> repo;  switched the working copy to an alternate vhost, and added action 
> logging (to a different file) to that vhost.  No errors, action logs 
> showed up as they should.
> 
> > I'm using a Debian dist of Apache2
> > which, if I understand correctly, doesn't use httpd.conf but for general
> > stuff uses apache2.conf and for modules uses the relevant module conf
> > file eg mods-available/dav_svn.conf
> 
> Mmmh.  Debian has introduced a very flexible configuration system for 
> Apache.  Packaged Apache modules put configuration fragments in 
> /etc/apache2/mods-available, but they're not used unless there's a 
> matching symlink in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled.  A similar system is used 
> for vhosts.
> 
> Unless you really want options to apply to all vhosts, it's probably 
> best to leave the fragments in mods-available alone, and add 
> configuration to the vhost fragments in /etc/apache2/sites-available.
> 
> I usually open any of these fragments using the mods-enabled/ or 
> sites-enabled/ path and the symlink, to make sure I'm actually editing a 
> live file and not one that's disabled.
> 
> Run "a2enmod" and see what mods are actually loaded.  Then restart 
> Apache to make sure that's what's actually running.
> 
> Do you see any warnings in the main error log?
> 
> Are you able to use any repositories you've set up?  From your original 
> message it sounds like repository access is working, because otherwise 
> it sounds like your configuration just isn't getting parsed.
> 
> [fiddles configs]  I think I may have found your problem, but I can't 
> explain *why* it's happening.  On two machines, with three vhosts, I 
> have SVN action logs enabled and working.  However, the CustomLog 
> directive is inside each individual vhost block;  it's not "global" as 
> you appear to be trying to do.  When I tried adding the CustomLog 
> directive in the same location as you're trying, I get the same result - 
> log file is created, but nothing gets written to it.
> 
> Try adding the CustomLog to the vhost container for the vhost you're 
> trying to enable logging on - the "default" vhost should work OK if you 
> don't have any others.  I'm not certain about this, however;  you may 
> have to define a vhost, or at least move all of your live SVN 
> configuration into the 000-default vhost configuration fragment.
> 
> (The /etc/apache2/mods-available/dav_svn.conf file is in fact completely 
> commented out on the one machine;  all actual SVN configuration is in 
> the vhost definitions.  Aside from the other machine being CentOS and 
> using a different set of fragments it's the same story.)
> 
> > ### not sure why following does not work
> > ### #MKB: turn on custom logs for easier reading
> > CustomLog /var/log/apache2/subversion.log "%t %u %{SVN-ACTION}e" 
> > env=SVN-ACTION
> > LogFormat "%t %u %{SVN-ACTION}e" svn
> 
> The LogFormat line here isn't really doing anything useful for two 
> reasons:  you've already given CustomLog the log format description, and 
> you're defining the log format after the statement defining the log 
> file.  See 
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_log_config.html#customlog.
> 
> -kgd


Okay, given this seems somewhat Debian-related (rather than subversion
only) I've added Debian-user to the cc list and also the
debian-admininstration lot in case they wish to use the info:

Kris, I've followed your example and 
a) yes, dav_svn.conf is enabled

b) removed all Subversion-related CustomLog directives from
mods-available/dav_svn.conf

c) I've only the default virtual host: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apache2$ ls sites-available/
default  default~
so have editted that to include the line
CustomLog /var/log/apache2/subversion.log "%t %u %{SVN-ACTION}e"
env=SVN-ACTION
immediately after the line
CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined
in the (only) VirtualHost present in that file.

Then reloading apache2 and doing an 'svn export' (on another machine) I
do indeed get the required result:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/log/apache2$ cat subversion.log
[17/Jan/2008:17:33:38 +] atmos_svn checkout-or-export '/'


Many thanks and I hope other Debian users find your help useful!

Michael



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Re: sed -i turns link into file

[Jonathan Wilson]

On Thursday 17 January 2008 10:48:41 Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> I encountered something rather odd and in my eyes disturbing: if I edit
> a symlinked file with an ordinary editor (nano, kate, ...) the editor
> edits the file instead and leaves the symlink intact.


I Tried this on SuSE and it behaves the same. If it's a bug (sure seems odd to 
me) it must be in the upstream sed, not Debian's packages.

JW



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Debian implementations. I tried to see if there was such a list on the
Wikipedia Debian article but found none. I couldn't find info about it
on debian.org either. Can someone suggest a place (url) that is
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Re: sed -i turns link into file

[Rick Pasotto]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:48:41PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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> I encountered something rather odd and in my eyes disturbing: if I edit
> a symlinked file with an ordinary editor (nano, kate, ...) the editor
> edits the file instead and leaves the symlink intact.
> 
> If I 'edit' the same symlink via "sed -i", the symlink gets replaced by
> the saved file and the linked file is not changed.
> 
> Is this normal behaviour? Is there a way to tell sed to edit the link's
> target instead?

Yes, it's what I would expect. sed is a stream editor, which means it
makes a single pass over the file and sends its output to STDOUT or a
temporary file if invoked with '-i'. In the latter case it then renames
the temporary file to the original file name. It's the same as if you
did (where myfile is a symbolic link):

cp myfile tmpfile
mv tmpfile myfile

This overwrites the symbolic link with the actual file. To do what you
want sed would have to copy the temp file and then remove it, two
operations rather than one.

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Re: How to wifi with ipw3945 on Dell Vostro ???

[Wackojacko]

Helge Hafting wrote:


There is another problem though.
My homemade script uses "iwlist scan" in order to see
where the machine is (at home, at work, at friends/family house)
and then select the appropriate essid, key and other stuff.


Have you tried putting all the various networks into a config file for 
wpasupplicant (see the examples in /usr/share/doc/).  AFAIK, it will 
scan for the available networks and connect to the right one.  Worth a try.


HTH

Wackojacko


This part used to work well - now I always have to try bringing the
network up 2-4 times before it actually works. If I run manually, I see
that iwlist comes up empty many times before it suddenly sees
the available networks and access points.

Setting a longer timeout between bringing up the driver and running
iwlist didn't seem to help. The old driver needed 2s. I tried 4s, but still
have to try many times before iwlist will see anything. Is there a trick
to make this work? Running iwlist in a loop is not what I want, that is 
error-prone

and wastes CPU. I use the machine in places with no network too.
I want to detect the available networks in minimum time and with only 
one attempt.


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I encountered something rather odd and in my eyes disturbing: if I edit
a symlinked file with an ordinary editor (nano, kate, ...) the editor
edits the file instead and leaves the symlink intact.

If I 'edit' the same symlink via "sed -i", the symlink gets replaced by
the saved file and the linked file is not changed.

Is this normal behaviour? Is there a way to tell sed to edit the link's
target instead?

Thanks!

Johannes

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Re: Help with debconf

[Alex Gonzalez]

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your answer.

I had been playing with the debconf configuration changing priority
values, to no avail.

The current configuration is:

  debconf-apt-progress/info:
  debconf-apt-progress/preparing:
* debconf/frontend: Dialog
* debconf/priority: low
  debconf-apt-progress/media-change:
  debconf-apt-progress/title:

And the complete sequence of events is:

pvalex:~# apt-get --purge remove pvrfs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED
  pvrfs*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 32.9MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
(Reading database ... 11683 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing pvrfs ...
Purging configuration files for pvrfs ...
debconf (developer): frontend started
debconf (developer): frontend running, package name is pvrfs
debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.postrm purge
debconf (developer): <-- PURGE
debconf (developer): --> 0
pvalex:~# debconf-show pvrfs
pvalex:~#
pvalex:~# debconf-show debconf
  debconf-apt-progress/info:
  debconf-apt-progress/preparing:
* debconf/frontend: Dialog
* debconf/priority: low
  debconf-apt-progress/media-change:
  debconf-apt-progress/title:
pvalex:~# apt-get install pvrfs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed
  pvrfs
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/32.5MB of archives.
After unpacking 32.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
  pvrfs
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
Preconfiguring packages ...
debconf (developer): starting /tmp/pvrfs.config.115771 configure
debconf (developer): <-- INPUT critical pvrfs/partition
debconf (developer): --> 30 question skipped
debconf (developer): <-- GO
debconf (developer): --> 0 ok
Selecting previously deselected package pvrfs.
(Reading database ... 11676 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking pvrfs (from .../archives/pvrfs_0.1-76_mips.deb) ...
Setting up pvrfs (0.1-76) ...
debconf (developer): frontend started
debconf (developer): frontend running, package name is pvrfs
debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.config configure
debconf (developer): <-- INPUT critical pvrfs/partition
debconf (developer): --> 30 question skipped
debconf (developer): <-- GO
debconf (developer): --> 0 ok
debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.postinst configure
debconf (developer): <-- GET pvrfs/partition
debconf (developer): --> 0 /dev/hda2
debconf (developer): <-- STOP

pvalex:~# dpkg -l | grep debconf
ii  debconf1.5.11  Debian
configuration management system
ii  debconf-i18n   1.5.11  full
internationalization support for debcon
pvalex:~# dpkg -l | grep apt-get
pvalex:~# dpkg -l | grep pkg
ii  apt0.6.46.4-0.1Advanced
front-end for dpkg
ii  dpkg   1.13.25 package
maintenance system for Debian

 I really don't know what's going on. This is etch on MIPS.
Alex

On Jan 17, 2008 4:08 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:59:35PM +, Alex Gonzalez wrote:
> > Back to my first problem, debconf doesn't reconfigure itself after the
> > purge. Here is the sequence of events,
> >
> >
> > pvalex:~# debconf-show pvrfs
> > * pvrfs/partition: /dev/hda2
> > pvalex:~# apt-get --purge remove pvrfs
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree... Done
> > The following packages will be REMOVED
> >   pvrfs*
> > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 0B of archives.
> > After unpacking 32.9MB disk space will be freed.
> > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
> > (Reading database ... 11683 files and directories currently installed.)
> > Removing pvrfs ...
> > Purging configuration files for pvrfs ...
> > debconf (developer): frontend started
>
> what frontend have you selected?
>
>
> > debconf (developer): frontend running, package name is pvrfs
> > debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.postrm purge
> > debconf (developer): <-- PURGE
> > debconf (developer): --> 0
> > pvalex:~# debconf-show pvrfs
> > pvalex:~#
> > pvalex:~# apt-get install pvrfs
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree... Done
> > The following NEW packages will be installed
> >   pvrfs
> > 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 0B/32.5MB of archives.
> > After unpacking 32.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
> > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
> >   pvrfs
> > Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
> > Preconfiguring packages ...
> > debconf (developer): starting /tmp/pvrfs.config.112521 con

Re: Help with debconf

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:59:35PM +, Alex Gonzalez wrote:
> Back to my first problem, debconf doesn't reconfigure itself after the
> purge. Here is the sequence of events,
> 
> 
> pvalex:~# debconf-show pvrfs
> * pvrfs/partition: /dev/hda2
> pvalex:~# apt-get --purge remove pvrfs
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> The following packages will be REMOVED
>   pvrfs*
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B of archives.
> After unpacking 32.9MB disk space will be freed.
> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
> (Reading database ... 11683 files and directories currently installed.)
> Removing pvrfs ...
> Purging configuration files for pvrfs ...
> debconf (developer): frontend started

what frontend have you selected?

> debconf (developer): frontend running, package name is pvrfs
> debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.postrm purge
> debconf (developer): <-- PURGE
> debconf (developer): --> 0
> pvalex:~# debconf-show pvrfs
> pvalex:~#
> pvalex:~# apt-get install pvrfs
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> The following NEW packages will be installed
>   pvrfs
> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B/32.5MB of archives.
> After unpacking 32.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
>   pvrfs
> Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> debconf (developer): starting /tmp/pvrfs.config.112521 configure
> debconf (developer): <-- INPUT high pvrfs/partition
> debconf (developer): --> 30 question skipped
> debconf (developer): <-- GO
> debconf (developer): --> 0 ok
> Selecting previously deselected package pvrfs.
> (Reading database ... 11676 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking pvrfs (from .../archives/pvrfs_0.1-75_mips.deb) ...
> Setting up pvrfs (0.1-75) ...
> debconf (developer): frontend started
> debconf (developer): frontend running, package name is pvrfs
> debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.config configure
> debconf (developer): <-- INPUT high pvrfs/partition
> debconf (developer): --> 30 question skipped
> debconf (developer): <-- GO
> debconf (developer): --> 0 ok
> debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.postinst configure
> debconf (developer): <-- GET pvrfs/partition
> debconf (developer): --> 0 /dev/hda2
> debconf (developer): <-- STOP
> 
> Am I confused or would it be logical for debconf to reconfigure
> instead of saying
> 
> debconf (developer): --> 30 question skipped ?

It would be logical unless you've told debconf to not bother asking
questions. 

Have you set it to use the non-interactive front end? 

dpkg-reconfigure debconf ( maybe with -plow )


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Re: How to wifi with ipw3945 on Dell Vostro ???

[Helge Hafting]

Kelly Anderson wrote:


Thought I'd throw in a suggestion that you look into the iwlwifi 
driver.  Intel has moved on to the next "best thing".  The iwl driver 
doesn't require the stupid daemon (a big step).  And my initial 
impression is that it will probably support WEP/WPA more effectively.  
I haven't used WEP/WPA with it yet but it's on my agenda.  I haven't 
had any issues since I switched from iwp to iwlwifi.
Thanks - this tip made it possible to upgrade to 2.6.23 for me. I didn't 
know

they changed the driver. And it works nicely with WPA too, something the
old driver didn't.

There is another problem though.
My homemade script uses "iwlist scan" in order to see
where the machine is (at home, at work, at friends/family house)
and then select the appropriate essid, key and other stuff.

This part used to work well - now I always have to try bringing the
network up 2-4 times before it actually works. If I run manually, I see
that iwlist comes up empty many times before it suddenly sees
the available networks and access points.

Setting a longer timeout between bringing up the driver and running
iwlist didn't seem to help. The old driver needed 2s. I tried 4s, but still
have to try many times before iwlist will see anything. Is there a trick
to make this work? Running iwlist in a loop is not what I want, that is 
error-prone

and wastes CPU. I use the machine in places with no network too.
I want to detect the available networks in minimum time and with only 
one attempt.


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Read-only bind mounts

[Fredrik Olofsson]

Hi,

I read somewhere that Linux kernel 2.6.23 supports read-only bind
mounts, but I can't get this to work. I am running Debian Sid updated
today.

~# mount -o ro --bind /tmp /mnt
~# touch /mnt/foo
~# ls -l /mnt/foo
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-01-17 16:27 /mnt/foo
~# ls -l /tmp/foo
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-01-17 16:27 /tmp/foo

Am I doing something wrong? Or is it simply not implemented?

Thanks for you help
/Fredrik


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Re: Help with debconf

[Alex Gonzalez]

Back to my first problem, debconf doesn't reconfigure itself after the
purge. Here is the sequence of events,


pvalex:~# debconf-show pvrfs
* pvrfs/partition: /dev/hda2
pvalex:~# apt-get --purge remove pvrfs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED
  pvrfs*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 32.9MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
(Reading database ... 11683 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing pvrfs ...
Purging configuration files for pvrfs ...
debconf (developer): frontend started
debconf (developer): frontend running, package name is pvrfs
debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.postrm purge
debconf (developer): <-- PURGE
debconf (developer): --> 0
pvalex:~# debconf-show pvrfs
pvalex:~#
pvalex:~# apt-get install pvrfs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed
  pvrfs
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/32.5MB of archives.
After unpacking 32.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
  pvrfs
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
Preconfiguring packages ...
debconf (developer): starting /tmp/pvrfs.config.112521 configure
debconf (developer): <-- INPUT high pvrfs/partition
debconf (developer): --> 30 question skipped
debconf (developer): <-- GO
debconf (developer): --> 0 ok
Selecting previously deselected package pvrfs.
(Reading database ... 11676 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking pvrfs (from .../archives/pvrfs_0.1-75_mips.deb) ...
Setting up pvrfs (0.1-75) ...
debconf (developer): frontend started
debconf (developer): frontend running, package name is pvrfs
debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.config configure
debconf (developer): <-- INPUT high pvrfs/partition
debconf (developer): --> 30 question skipped
debconf (developer): <-- GO
debconf (developer): --> 0 ok
debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/pvrfs.postinst configure
debconf (developer): <-- GET pvrfs/partition
debconf (developer): --> 0 /dev/hda2
debconf (developer): <-- STOP

Am I confused or would it be logical for debconf to reconfigure
instead of saying

debconf (developer): --> 30 question skipped ?

Thanks again,
Alex

On Jan 17, 2008 12:02 PM, Alex Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> Thanks for that. I actually forgot to include the postrm file to do
> the purge, so that should fix it.
>
> Another problem I have is that whiptail doesn't seem to display the
> configuration dialog. I have the follwing processes,
>
>  4838 pts/0S+ 0:00 sh -c { apt-get update;apt-get
> --allow-unauthenticated install pvrfs; } 2>&1
>  4842 pts/0S+ 0:00 apt-get --allow-unauthenticated install pvrfs
>  4846 pts/0S+ 0:00 /bin/sh -c /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || 
> true
>  4847 pts/0S+ 0:01 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt
>  4854 pts/0Z+ 0:00 [dpkg-preconfigu] 
>  4857 pts/0S+ 0:00 /bin/sh -e /tmp/pvrfs.config.48551 configure
>  4859 pts/0S+ 0:00 whiptail --backtitle Package configuration
> --title Configuring pvrfs --output-fd 12 --nocancel --default-item
> /dev/hda2 --menu Choose a hard drive partition to perform the
> filesystem upgrade on.??WARNING! ALL DATA IN THE CHOSEN PARTITION WILL
> BE LOST??Choose partition to upgrade on: 16 72 4 -- /dev/hda1
> /dev/hda2  /dev/hda3  /dev/hda4
>  4867 pts/1S+ 0:00 whiptail --backtitle Package configuration
> --title Configuring pvrfs --nocancel --default-item /dev/hda2 --menu
> Choose a hard drive partition to perform the filesyst?em upgrade
> on.??WARNING! ALL DATA IN THE CHOSEN PARTITION WILL BE LOST??Choose
> partition to upgrade on: 16 72 4 -- /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 /dev/hda3
> /dev/hda4
>
> From the two whiptails, the first one failed to bring up a dialog, and
> the second one was run manually by me and did bring the dialog. The
> only difference is that the second one has no --output-fd.
>
> My guess is that there is a problem with file descriptor 12, how can I
> find out what is this descriptor supposed to be?
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2008 5:15 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 03:50:42PM +, Alex Gonzalez wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Is it possible to force debconf to forget about a package
> > > configuration on removal, or to always ask the configuration questions
> > > on install?
> >
> > I'm sure there is a way to do the second, and there is a debconf-doc package
> > you should probably look into.
> >
> > >
> > > I have this packet that is configured the first time it's installed,
> > > but then never asks again if you don't dpkg-reconfigure it.
> > >
> > > However, if I remove the package, then debconf still remembers the
> > > configuration

Re: GUI programming

[Jon Dowland]

> Sorry for an off topic, but for your opinion. I am going
> to work on GUI programming using C++ and running on both
> Debian platform and Window. Which GUI package is popular,
> QT4, OpenGL, or something else?

In addition to Fox and wxwidgets (as others have mentioned),
I'd take a look at QT, particularly because you are using
C++.

I do not write C++ nor have I tried to program in QT but I
have heard some very  complementary things said about it
from people who do.


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Re: bash history

[Magnus Therning]

On 1/17/08, Vincent Lefevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 2008-01-17 09:54:42 +, Magnus Therning wrote:
> > I'm a ZSH user, so do you have any pointers on how to do that?
>
> man zshoptions
>
> Look at all the options in the History section...


Of course that was /exactly/ what I was hoping to /not/ have to do :-)
Luckily there aren't more than 18 options relating to history, but of course
the one I wanted was the last on the list; SHARE_HISTORY.

/M

Re: [debian-user] Dumped off the list

[Jon Dowland]

> I could not help but notice the large amount of my email
> for various Debian lists that they deem as SPAM. They
> apparently take legitimate Debian list traffic and
> generate a SPAM warning which then causes my set up to
> miss the traffic.

Are you (or is your ISP) using a challenge-response system?
That seems to be what your message implies. If that's the
case, you may be being unsubscribed from the list by a
listmaster because of the challenges being fired back at it.

I'd strongly recommend *not* using a challenge-response
system, see
 or
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Re: GUI programming

[Mike Polyakov]

> Sorry for an off topic, but for your opinion. I am going to work on
> GUI programming using C++ and running on both Debian platform and
> Window. Which GUI package is popular, QT4, OpenGL, or something else

I urge you to take a look at Ultimate++ library at
http://www.ultimatepp.org/. It is written in modern C++ style, not
overusing inheritance where it is not needed. I tried a lot of cross
platform GUI toolkits, and this is the one I've stayed on and was
mostly satisfied by. This library was such a relief after using
wxWidgets for a while. The code usually comes out much cleaner and
easier to understand. The only downside is that it comes with its own
IDE, and so far I was unable to compile it without it. But this is a
minor inconvenience, since I can still write my code in vim, then
switch to the IDE, hit F7 to compile, then go back and fix the bugs.
These is a package for Debian on their website as well.

Good luck.


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Re: Transparent proxy - forwarding does not work

[Mihira Fernando]

On Jan 17, 2008 2:37 PM, Mihira Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jan 14, 2008 7:26 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to setup a transparent caching proxy with Squid. I've
> > installed Squid, configured it, in particular using the line
> > http_port 3128 transparent
> >
> > The proxy is working fine. If I specify the proxy manually, I can
> > see it being used from access.log, and note the results of caching.
> >
> > However, the automatic forwarding is not working. First, I've
> > enabled forwarding with
> > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> >
> > Then, following instructions found in the internet, I've run
> > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT
> > --to-port 3128
> > to setup automatic forwarding of http requests. The command runs fine,
> > and the rule is added:
> > # iptables -t nat -L
> > Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
> > target prot opt source   destination
> > REDIRECT   tcp  --  anywhere anywheretcp dpt:www
> > redir ports 3128
> >
> > Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
> > target prot opt source   destination
> >
> > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
> > target prot opt source   destination
> >
> > However, the forwarding simply does not happen. Requests do not pass
> > through the proxy, everything works as before.
> >
> > Is there anything that is missing?
> >
> > Kernel is linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64, version 2.6.22-4 . Now I'm
> > using squid3 version 3.0.STABLE1-1, but I've also tried with squid
> > 2.6.17-1, and the results are the same.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > --
> > History repeats itself.  That's one thing wrong with history.
> >
> > Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://move.to/hpkb
> >
>
> I have the almost exact setup with Squid 2.6 and it works fine. One
> point though, I have 2 network interfaces, eth0 for internet and eth1
> for LAN.
>
> Squid listens only on eth1 and loop back on transparent mode.
>
> http_port my.lan.ip:3128 transparent
> http_port 127.0.0.1:3128 transparent
>
> Mihira.

Forgot to add :

iptabes is set for the LAN interface (eth1) for the port redirection

iptablies -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT
--to-port 3128

and port redirection on the internet interface (eth0)

Mihira.

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Re: Transparent proxy - forwarding does not work

[Mihira Fernando]

On Jan 14, 2008 7:26 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to setup a transparent caching proxy with Squid. I've
> installed Squid, configured it, in particular using the line
> http_port 3128 transparent
>
> The proxy is working fine. If I specify the proxy manually, I can
> see it being used from access.log, and note the results of caching.
>
> However, the automatic forwarding is not working. First, I've
> enabled forwarding with
> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>
> Then, following instructions found in the internet, I've run
> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT
> --to-port 3128
> to setup automatic forwarding of http requests. The command runs fine,
> and the rule is added:
> # iptables -t nat -L
> Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
> target prot opt source   destination
> REDIRECT   tcp  --  anywhere anywheretcp dpt:www
> redir ports 3128
>
> Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
> target prot opt source   destination
>
> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
> target prot opt source   destination
>
> However, the forwarding simply does not happen. Requests do not pass
> through the proxy, everything works as before.
>
> Is there anything that is missing?
>
> Kernel is linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64, version 2.6.22-4 . Now I'm
> using squid3 version 3.0.STABLE1-1, but I've also tried with squid
> 2.6.17-1, and the results are the same.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> History repeats itself.  That's one thing wrong with history.
>
> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://move.to/hpkb
>

I have the almost exact setup with Squid 2.6 and it works fine. One
point though, I have 2 network interfaces, eth0 for internet and eth1
for LAN.

Squid listens only on eth1 and loop back on transparent mode.

http_port my.lan.ip:3128 transparent
http_port 127.0.0.1:3128 transparent

Mihira.

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Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

[Jochen Schulz]

johnny:
> 
> I can assure you that I can't get more than max 10Mbps (standard 8/9).
> Maybe depends upon a range extender I have in my location: I read that
> this kind of thing takes the global throughput to half, is it true?

Yes. There is a (more or less) fixed throughput available for both
sending and receiving and since the extender has to send everything it
receives and vice versa, your effective throughput is halved.

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Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

[johnny]

> I have no experience with wifi range extenders but it seems to me it
> should really just 'resend' the signal. If the extender is a 802.11g
> device, I'd expect it to produce the same throughput as the original
> source. I can imagine there might be some problems with both devices using
> the same channel. But that's just an uneducated guess.

They use the same channel (otherwise how communicating each other?).

I'm a bit ignorant here, only read a post of a bloke telling this...
my very uneducated guess...
I wrote to an author of a paper, as soon as I know something solid
I'll let you know.
Thanks


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Re: bash history

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2008-01-17 09:54:42 +, Magnus Therning wrote:
> I'm a ZSH user, so do you have any pointers on how to do that?

man zshoptions

Look at all the options in the History section...

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Re: GUI programming

[Ron Johnson]

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On 01/17/08 03:53, Magnus Therning wrote:
> Jozef Peterka wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> just a short note: there are MANY popular toolkits, mostly qt(KDE),
>> gtk(GNOME), wx, etc. etc. 
>> But, you are probably asking about multiplatformness of those. So let
>> see ... look at all the great mozilla software, they are writen with GTK
>> + toolkit, and as you can now firefox, thunderbird etc. are well running
>> both on linux, bsd(s) and windows - maybe gtk+ is what you are looking
>> for...
> 
> AFAIK mozilla is written on top of /all/ those toolkits (QT, GTK,
> Windows), with an insulating abstraction layer.  So that happens to be a
> bad example.
> 
> IIRC wxwidgets basically is such an abstraction layer, which might make
> it very suitable toolkit to use.

wxwidgets 2.8 was released more than a year ago, but according to
threads on debian-devel which come up on a regular basis, it still
hasn't been packaged by Debian, because there are so many
outstanding upstream bugs.

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Re: package list for CLI-only admin/service install

[Martin Marcher]

SpamHog wrote:
> Does anybody keep such a "pure Debian CLI tools"
> metapackage or package list or CDD
> with such a selction of apps?

I guess it really depends on your environment, we have this on every host:

# more or less standard packages
# this is the tasksel "standard" selection
~pstandard
~prequired
~pimportant

# just in case :)
less
bzip2

# scripting usage
python
vim

# my boss likes it I don't
mc

# monitoring - very nice
zabbix-agent

# killall is nice
psmisc

# networking
screen
ethtool
iproute

# we run on xfs
xfsprogs
xfsdump

# misc stuff
acl
curl
subversion

# SSH Stuff
openssh-client
openssh-server


i'm also open to suggestions - puppet is next on the list to be added as it
can manage all those things centrally

hth
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Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

[Peter Teunissen]

On Thu, January 17, 2008 10:30, johnny wrote:
> I can assure you that I can't get more than max 10Mbps (standard 8/9).
> Maybe depends upon a range extender I have in my location: I read that
> this kind of thing takes the global throughput to half, is it true?
>

I have no experience with wifi range extenders but it seems to me it
should really just 'resend' the signal. If the extender is a 802.11g
device, I'd expect it to produce the same throughput as the original
source. I can imagine there might be some problems with both devices using
the same channel. But that's just an uneducated guess.


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[OT] Linux on an HP tz1000x

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

I was given a very complete report on Linux on an HP TZ1000x:
http://www.kellyandsopho.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=LinuxOnHpPaviliontx1000z#Mirroring_the_Drive

Very good report. Worth buying based on the report alone.
Too bad it applies to Ubuntu and not Debian Sid or so.

Hugo


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Re: My favorite radio stations

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 09:00:31 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Jamiil Abduqadir wrote:


[...]


http://www.studio92.com/musica/audioenvivo/


[...]


Except to studio92, that seems to require a windoz plugin.


It works in iceweasel 2.0.0.11-1 on my Sid box. It takes 10-15 seconds
for the audio to start due to buffering. I run amd64, so it does not
seem to require any proprietary win32 codecs.

These are my installed plugins:

flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.115.0.1
mozilla-mplayer 1:3.50-0.0 (from debian-multimedia)
mozilla-plugin-vlc 0.8.6.c-5

You can also use mplayer with the direct link to their stream:

mplayer http://grupors.wm.llnwd.net/grupors_St92audioenvivo

According to mplayer, they stream DivX audio in an ASF container:

ASF file format detected.
[asfheader] Audio stream found, -aid 1

AUDIO: 22050 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 22.0 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 2751->88200)
Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2] afm: ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (FFmpeg))



You're absolutely right. But I get very distorted sound. Must be because 
it is a highbandwidth feed and I am on a dialup modem:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mplayer http://grupors.wm.llnwd.net/grupors_St92audioenvivo
MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.2.3 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon MP/XP Thoroughbred (Family: 6, 
Stepping: 1)

Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
SSE supported but disabled
CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0
Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 3DNow 3DNowEx


Failed to open /dev/rtc: Device or resource busy (it should be readable 
by the user.)

Playing http://grupors.wm.llnwd.net/grupors_St92audioenvivo.
Resolving grupors.wm.llnwd.net for AF_INET6...
Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: grupors.wm.llnwd.net
Resolving grupors.wm.llnwd.net for AF_INET...
Connecting to server grupors.wm.llnwd.net[68.142.72.78]:80 ...
Resolving grupors.wm.llnwd.net for AF_INET6...
Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: grupors.wm.llnwd.net
Resolving grupors.wm.llnwd.net for AF_INET...
Connecting to server grupors.wm.llnwd.net[68.142.72.78]:80 ...
Stream bitrate properties object
Max bandwidth set to 0
Resolving grupors.wm.llnwd.net for AF_INET6...
Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: grupors.wm.llnwd.net
Resolving grupors.wm.llnwd.net for AF_INET...
Connecting to server grupors.wm.llnwd.net[68.142.72.78]:80 ...
Cache size set to 64 KBytes
Connected to server: grupors.wm.llnwd.net
ASF file format detected.
Clip info:
 name: Studio92
 author: Studio92
 copyright: Studio92
==
Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
AUDIO: 22050 Hz, 2 ch, 16 bit (0x10), ratio: 2751->88200 (22.0 kbit)
Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2] afm:ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (ffmpeg))
==
Checking audio filter chain for 22050Hz/2ch/16bit -> 22050Hz/2ch/16bit...
AF_pre: af format: 2 bps, 2 ch, 22050 hz, little endian signed int
AF_pre: 22050Hz 2ch Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)
AO: [oss] 22050Hz 2ch Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) (2 bps)
Building audio filter chain for 22050Hz/2ch/16bit -> 22050Hz/2ch/16bit...
Video: no video
Starting playback...
A:   0.3 (00.2) ??,?% 0%


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Re: Help with debconf

[Alex Gonzalez]

Hi,
Thanks for that. I actually forgot to include the postrm file to do
the purge, so that should fix it.

Another problem I have is that whiptail doesn't seem to display the
configuration dialog. I have the follwing processes,

 4838 pts/0S+ 0:00 sh -c { apt-get update;apt-get
--allow-unauthenticated install pvrfs; } 2>&1
 4842 pts/0S+ 0:00 apt-get --allow-unauthenticated install pvrfs
 4846 pts/0S+ 0:00 /bin/sh -c /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true
 4847 pts/0S+ 0:01 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt
 4854 pts/0Z+ 0:00 [dpkg-preconfigu] 
 4857 pts/0S+ 0:00 /bin/sh -e /tmp/pvrfs.config.48551 configure
 4859 pts/0S+ 0:00 whiptail --backtitle Package configuration
--title Configuring pvrfs --output-fd 12 --nocancel --default-item
/dev/hda2 --menu Choose a hard drive partition to perform the
filesystem upgrade on.??WARNING! ALL DATA IN THE CHOSEN PARTITION WILL
BE LOST??Choose partition to upgrade on: 16 72 4 -- /dev/hda1
/dev/hda2  /dev/hda3  /dev/hda4
 4867 pts/1S+ 0:00 whiptail --backtitle Package configuration
--title Configuring pvrfs --nocancel --default-item /dev/hda2 --menu
Choose a hard drive partition to perform the filesyst?em upgrade
on.??WARNING! ALL DATA IN THE CHOSEN PARTITION WILL BE LOST??Choose
partition to upgrade on: 16 72 4 -- /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 /dev/hda3
/dev/hda4

>From the two whiptails, the first one failed to bring up a dialog, and
the second one was run manually by me and did bring the dialog. The
only difference is that the second one has no --output-fd.

My guess is that there is a problem with file descriptor 12, how can I
find out what is this descriptor supposed to be?

Thanks,
Alex


On Jan 16, 2008 5:15 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 03:50:42PM +, Alex Gonzalez wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is it possible to force debconf to forget about a package
> > configuration on removal, or to always ask the configuration questions
> > on install?
>
> I'm sure there is a way to do the second, and there is a debconf-doc package
> you should probably look into.
>
> >
> > I have this packet that is configured the first time it's installed,
> > but then never asks again if you don't dpkg-reconfigure it.
> >
> > However, if I remove the package, then debconf still remembers the
> > configuration and I can't change it with dpkg-reconfigure (package is
> > not installed error). Because of the specifics of the package I won't
> > be able to reinstall it without changing the configuration.
>
> try purging the package first. That will remove all the configuration
> files.
>
> either
>
> aptitude purge 
>
> or
>
> dpkg -p 
>
> should to do the trick.
>
> A
>
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>
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> 4AR2sFq4IiirpQ1luJKCUdA=
> =vy/i
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>
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Re: [OT] top posting

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 07:58:09AM -0600, Kent West wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:
Exotic mathematics without a grounding in reality is medieval philosophy 
trying to determine how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Two. No, seven!

Arg. You made me lose count!


oh come on. Everyone knows this:  42!



Damn! I thought I was alone on the head of this pin!


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[solved] No volume in my Etch box!

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On my laptop I installed x-window-system-core and gnome-core and the volume
> control small icon top right on Gnome desktop looks all right.  Instead, on my
> desktop PC the same icon is not active, and when I left-click it the following
> message appears:
>
> --
> The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to
> control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer
> plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.
>
> You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the
> speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the
> menu.
> --
>
> .  Do you think that the sound card is not recognized by Etch?  I hope not.
> Does anyone please have any suggestion?  I don't know what to do.



It seems the problem was due to the fact that the user did not belong to the
`audio' group.  So, it should be enough to do:

 # adduser  audio

, then log out and in again.

Rodolfo


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Re: [OT* aiutatemi a verificare 'what is going on!'

[Ennio- Sr]

> You probably want the italian language mailing list (debian-user-it) I
> think it is called
>

Thank you David, you're right: I was trying to contact the Italian
list with no success. Now it's partially solved and, definitely, I
should have advised the list after realizing I used the wrong address.
So, this is a good chance for me to apologize.
Regards,
 Ennio


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package list for CLI-only admin/service install

[SpamHog]

On my boxes I install a small Debian stable on its own partition for
service and rescue purposes, an alternative to the many live-CD
distros.

I've been looking for a Custom Debian Distributions or package list or
metapackage which would pull in plenty of CLI-only admin - rescue -
network - security tools, a few key servers (file, ssh,, and little
more),  basic clients for communicating (http, irc, etc etc) many
drivers, but no X.

I have also tried to lift the package list from existing  live-cd
distros, but it did not work out - and would have contained distro-
specific packages anyway, which is something I'd rather avoid.


Does anybody keep such a "pure Debian CLI tools"
metapackage or package list or CDD
with such a selction of apps?


TIA for all the wisdom I will receive!


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Re: how to install sun java plugin for iceweasel in Debian?

[Wackojacko]

Chris Howie wrote:
On Jan 13, 2008 1:56 PM, Amogh Hooshdar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I forgot to mention that I use Debian AMD 64 bit. Is this the cause of
the problem?

 
Yes it is.  Sun has still not distributed a Java browser plugin for 
64-bit on any OS.


Are you sure, on my system I have

uname -a
Linux home 2.6.23 #2 Sat Jan 12 19:53:14 GMT 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux

aptitude search sun-java
p   ia32-sun-java5-bin
p   ia32-sun-java6-bin
i   sun-java5-bin
p   sun-java5-demo
p   sun-java5-doc
i   sun-java5-fonts
p   sun-java5-jdk
i   sun-java5-jre
p   sun-java5-source
i   sun-java6-bin
p   sun-java6-demo
p   sun-java6-doc
p   sun-java6-fonts
p   sun-java6-javadb
p   sun-java6-jdk
i A sun-java6-jre
p   sun-java6-source

Perhaps you meant Adobe flashplayer is not available for 64 bit OS's?

Regards

Wackojacko


Chris Howie
http://www.chrishowie.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crazycomputers



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Re: GUI programming

[Patter]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:00:24 +0100, Jozef Peterka wrote:
> Hi there,
> just a short note: there are MANY popular toolkits, mostly qt(KDE),
> gtk(GNOME), wx, etc. etc. 
> But, you are probably asking about multiplatformness of those. So let
> see ... look at all the great mozilla software, they are writen with GTK
> + toolkit, and as you can now firefox, thunderbird etc. are well running
> both on linux, bsd(s) and windows - maybe gtk+ is what you are looking
> for...

WxWindows is a cross-platform translation layer which uses native
window elements on each system, on linux it typically uses GTK for
display and on windows it uses the native windows toolkit.


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Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

[johnny]

> Well, an 802.11g network has max throughput of 54Mb/s = 6.75 MB/s It
> normally has an average throughput of 19Mb/s = 2.4MB/s
>
> So, either you are getting very slow MegaBITS per second or your test
> shows bad MegaBYTE readings :-)

I can assure you that I can't get more than max 10Mbps (standard 8/9).
Maybe depends upon a range extender I have in my location: I read that
this kind of thing takes the global throughput to half, is it true?


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Re: bash history

[Magnus Therning]

Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2008-01-16 18:38:08 -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
>> On Jan 16, 2008 6:25 PM, Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I use alot of console windows in X as well as having shells and
>>> ssh shells open sometimes for the same user. I notice that bash
>>> doesn't save every command immediately and loses the history from
>>> simultaneous bash sessions, when they are not the last session to
>>> close.
>>>
>>> Is that normal? Or is there some sort of caching that I can
>>> configure better?
>> Yes, it's normal.  I don't know if you can reconfigure it (hopefully).
> 
> This behavior doesn't seem to be configurable. But this is possible
> with zsh. :)

I'm a ZSH user, so do you have any pointers on how to do that?

/M

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Re: GUI programming

[Magnus Therning]

Jozef Peterka wrote:
> Hi there,
> just a short note: there are MANY popular toolkits, mostly qt(KDE),
> gtk(GNOME), wx, etc. etc. 
> But, you are probably asking about multiplatformness of those. So let
> see ... look at all the great mozilla software, they are writen with GTK
> + toolkit, and as you can now firefox, thunderbird etc. are well running
> both on linux, bsd(s) and windows - maybe gtk+ is what you are looking
> for...

AFAIK mozilla is written on top of /all/ those toolkits (QT, GTK,
Windows), with an insulating abstraction layer.  So that happens to be a
bad example.

IIRC wxwidgets basically is such an abstraction layer, which might make
it very suitable toolkit to use.

/M

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RE: GUI programming

[Philippe Lang]

hce wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry for an off topic, but for your opinion. I am going to work on
> GUI programming using C++ and running on both Debian platform and
> Window. Which GUI package is popular, QT4, OpenGL, or something else?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Jim

You should have a look at the FOX toolkit, which is perfectly
cross-platform, perfectly stable and well supported. 

www.fox-toolkit.org

There are also good language bindings for FOX, like for Ruby, with the
FXRuby library.

www.fxruby.org

A beta book on FXRuby is about to be released, by the way.

http://www.pragprog.com/titles/fxruby


Regards,

Philippe Lang

Re: bash history

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2008-01-17 06:16:51 +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>> But even if it can append commands, would bash do that *immediately*?
>> It seems that bash can save the history only when it exits.
>
> By immediately, do you mean writing to the history file after every  
> command?

Yes (zsh can do that, either just before the command starts or just
after the command ends -- I prefer the former, but of course, the time
taken by each command can no longer be written to the history file).

> I don't think it does that. That would exclude the option of  
> ignoring duplicates, wouldn't it?

No, only duplicates from the same shell are ignored. But I'd say this
is a bit the same for bash if append mode is used.

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