Re: Using Exim

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 10:48:04 pm Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:

> I think I should describe the situation of mine that I am dreaming of ;-).
>
> a) I have ADSL internet connection that has dynamic address and mail
> account by ISP. ISP is using some kind of port restriction for mail
> transfer to standard port.
> b) Mail accounts of users are using POP3 protocols. There is mail
> accounts from ISP, but there is also Gmail accounts using non-standard
> ports.

fetchmail is what will work with you on these two points.

> c) I want that standalone server receives LAN and internet mail of LAN
> users.

When setting up exim, it'll ask you if you what range you want to act as a 
smarthost for.  Tell it your local network's information.

> d) I want that users can receive their mail from mail server by their
> favourite MUA in LAN.

You will also need to install some kind of POP or IMAP daemon to handle this 
part.

> e) I want that MUA handles the mail sending by its own so mail server in
> LAN just receives user mail and serves them in LAN.

That's pretty much the default with any MTA, even if it's standalone and not 
exchanging mail outside the network.

> f) I am planning to use mail server with Horde Groupware Webmail
> edition. Is my composition suitable for that?

Which mail server?  If you mean exim, yeah, that'll work.

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Re: Using Exim

[Tero Mäntyvaara]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/19/08 22:40, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 01:25:35 am Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:
>> I have questions concerning usage of Exim4:
>> a) Can Exim4 be set so that it receives mail from mail accounts that
>> user has configured eg in his/her home directory?
> Not by itself, no.  You will need to install fetchmail, and each 
user will

> need to have a .fetchmailrc to fetch mail from another site.

That is if he get's his mail from an ISP.  So, OP needs to clarify
whether this will be for a "home" LAN or a small organization which
will have it's own domain and services.

>> b) Can Exim4 deliver that received mail in LAN?
> Yes.  If you install exim via dpkg, you will be prompted which 
network range

> you would like to deliver mail for (ie, act as a smarthost for).

> Hope this helps.



Thank you all. :-) Something about my self I am quite familiar with 
mail protocols. The problem is that I am not familiar with software to 
handle mail transfer.


I think I should describe the situation of mine that I am dreaming of ;-).

a) I have ADSL internet connection that has dynamic address and mail 
account by ISP. ISP is using some kind of port restriction for mail 
transfer to standard port.
b) Mail accounts of users are using POP3 protocols. There is mail 
accounts from ISP, but there is also Gmail accounts using non-standard 
ports.
c) I want that standalone server receives LAN and internet mail of LAN 
users.
d) I want that users can receive their mail from mail server by their 
favourite MUA in LAN.
e) I want that MUA handles the mail sending by its own so mail server in 
LAN just receives user mail and serves them in LAN.
f) I am planning to use mail server with Horde Groupware Webmail 
edition. Is my composition suitable for that?




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Re: continuity of a topic in debian-user

[Ron Johnson]

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> PETER EASTHOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>  Folk,
>>
>>  Once or twice the list server has connected the thread after I've
>>  copied the subject line verbatim.  Usually the thread gets broken
>>  and complaints follow.  Does anyone see why this happens? ... With
> 
> Yes.  Some MUAs do it right.  Others don't.  We suffer the result.
> 
>>  Is there a way to ensure that the thread is maintained, given that
>>  I compose the reply in a Web based MUA?

One that I warn you away from, Peter, is slrn.  It'd a hyper-GUI POS
that breaks all the RFCs and makes everyone else's lives miserable.

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Re: Using Exim

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/19/08 22:40, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 01:25:35 am Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:
>> I have questions concerning usage of Exim4:
>> a) Can Exim4 be set so that it receives mail from mail accounts that
>> user has configured eg in his/her home directory?
> 
> Not by itself, no.  You will need to install fetchmail, and each user will 
> need to have a .fetchmailrc to fetch mail from another site.

That is if he get's his mail from an ISP.  So, OP needs to clarify
whether this will be for a "home" LAN or a small organization which
will have it's own domain and services.

>> b) Can Exim4 deliver that received mail in LAN?
> 
> Yes.  If you install exim via dpkg, you will be prompted which network range 
> you would like to deliver mail for (ie, act as a smarthost for).
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 


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Re: continuity of a topic in debian-user

[s. keeling]

PETER EASTHOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Folk,
> 
>  Once or twice the list server has connected the thread after I've
>  copied the subject line verbatim.  Usually the thread gets broken
>  and complaints follow.  Does anyone see why this happens? ... With

Yes.  Some MUAs do it right.  Others don't.  We suffer the result.

>  Is there a way to ensure that the thread is maintained, given that
>  I compose the reply in a Web based MUA?


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Re: Games on a Redmond virtual machine.

[Paul Johnson]

English is written in conversational order, not in random order as top posting 
would lead one to believe.  Please adjust your quoting accordingly.
http://learn.to/quote

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 02:48:08 am iena unlike wrote:
> This is absolutely not TRUE. Why ?
> Listen me: wine can install many games...buthow many games wine can run
> correctly ?

The vast majority of them.  Please educate yourself at 
http://appdb.winehq.org/

> example ??? an old game as starcraft don't run in BATTLE.NET and many games
> don't run so nice. So, if you tell me that play with wine is good without
> sound without graphics without the best things for a videogamers..

Looking at the AppDB for your specific game, it appears you're doing something 
severely wrong if you're not getting graphics and sound.  The game does work, 
but requires additional effort.

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=51

Instead of getting pissy and whining about how everything is crap because you 
managed to find one of the few games out there that doesn't run well, why 
don't you take a look through Wine's website about what you can do to help 
the situation?

Or, keeping in mind that you're using Wine, why not wait until other people 
have gotten it working with the amount of effort you're willing to put forth, 
and find free alternatives to the rest?  After all, you could be playing 
freecraft instead, which is in stable.

http://packages.debian.org/etch/freecraft

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Re: Sendmail configuration

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 03:21:17 am Andrius wrote:

> how to configure Sendmail to send a messages through ISP SMTP server?

It's probably best to avoid sendmail if you're new to setting up email and go 
with the debian default of exim instead.

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Re: Poor man's encrypted e-mail

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 02:05:49 am Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Unfortunately some of my friends can't use encrypted e-mail at work or
> for other reasons. On the other hand almost anyone who can read e-mail
> can also open encrypted pdf files. So why not send encrypted pdfs instead?

Encrypted PDFs are poorly supported, and IIRC, the encryption is fairly weak.  
OpenPGP is about as universal as you're going to get at this point in time.

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Re: Using Exim

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 06:17:54 am Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Wed March 19 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Exim sends emails. It is MTA.
> >
> > And it receives email, too.
>
> ok, I admit it, I know nothing about setting up mail servers,etc..

Stop now!

Setting up mail services by fumbling in the dark has the very real potential 
to make your mail server a spam vector.  Before continuing, I strongly 
reccommend, at the very least, reading through Wikipedia about SMTP and other 
email related protocols, and familiarize yourself with the documentation for 
the MTA you decide to go with.

Once you've done that and have some basic understanding of the mechanics of 
email, it should become a little more clear what you need to do and what you 
need to avoid to set up a mail server without becoming a spam relay.

> I have my own domain, and I have it hosted. What would I need to run,
> besides my kmail, to receive and send mail from my Debian PC, hosting my
> own domain? I keep hearing about postfix, sendmail, exim...

Exim is the default in Debian, and the one I suggest you go with unless you 
want to set up some kind of groupware like Kolab (in which case, go with what 
it depends on or recommends).  Exim is pretty straightforward and relatively 
easy to work with.

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Re: Using Exim

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 01:25:35 am Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:
> I have questions concerning usage of Exim4:
> a) Can Exim4 be set so that it receives mail from mail accounts that
> user has configured eg in his/her home directory?

Not by itself, no.  You will need to install fetchmail, and each user will 
need to have a .fetchmailrc to fetch mail from another site.

> b) Can Exim4 deliver that received mail in LAN?

Yes.  If you install exim via dpkg, you will be prompted which network range 
you would like to deliver mail for (ie, act as a smarthost for).

Hope this helps.

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Re: Problem with Alsa sound and VIA 82xx

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 23:19, Peter Belew wrote:
> My problem is that sound takes a long time to start up after system boot.
> Sometimes I have to reload or restart the Alsa daemons, which sometimes
> seems to help. Playing music for a long time will eventually cause sound
> output to start.
>

> Peter

Hi,
To me, it looks more like a hardware problem. Can you check with other OS, 
distribid?
Thierry


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Problem with Alsa sound and VIA 82xx

[Peter Belew]

My problem is that sound takes a long time to start up after system boot. 
Sometimes I have to reload or restart the Alsa daemons, which sometimes seems 
to help. Playing music for a long time will eventually cause sound output to 
start.

I haven't filed any Debian bug reports previously; I previously have been using 
Ubuntu, and have filed reports on that in the past, and am more familiar with 
their bug-reporting procedure.

Here's my system version, lsmod, and lspci information.

Debian version info:
Linux cupid 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sun Feb 10 22:06:33 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
Debian GNU/Linux 4.0
etch

The system is up-to-date as of today - 19 March 2008

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
snd_via82xx_modem  13832  0
snd_seq_dummy   3972  0
snd_seq_oss27648  0
snd_seq_midi8352  0
snd_seq_midi_event  6784  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq42192  6 
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
usbhid 35808  0
binfmt_misc10504  1
via40416  2
drm60180  3 via
rfcomm 33180  0
l2cap  20100  5 rfcomm
bluetooth  43108  4 rfcomm,l2cap
nfs   196300  0
ipv6  213984  24
nfsd  196784  17
exportfs5376  1 nfsd
lockd  53256  3 nfs,nfsd
nfs_acl 3584  2 nfs,nfsd
sunrpc133820  13 nfs,nfsd,lockd,nfs_acl
ppdev   8708  0
parport_pc 31524  0
lp 10948  0
parport32200  3 ppdev,parport_pc,lp
button  6800  0
ac  5252  0
battery 9732  0
dm_snapshot15644  0
dm_mirror  18000  0
dm_mod 48952  2 dm_snapshot,dm_mirror
loop   14216  0
wlan_scan_sta  11520  1
tsdev   7616  0
joydev  9152  0
ath_pci81440  0
ath_rate_sample13184  1 ath_pci
wlan  172092  4 wlan_scan_sta,ath_pci,ath_rate_sample
ath_hal   191696  3 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample
snd_via82xx25368  3
gameport   13832  1 snd_via82xx
snd_mpu401_uart 7552  1 snd_via82xx
pcmcia 33852  0
firmware_class  9472  1 pcmcia
i2c_viapro  8340  0
i2c_core   19472  1 i2c_viapro
pcspkr  2816  0
wbsd   15880  0
mmc_core   22416  1 wbsd
snd_ac97_codec 82848  2 snd_via82xx_modem,snd_via82xx
snd_ac97_bus2432  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_rawmidi22048  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_mpu401_uart
snd_seq_device  7820  5 
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi
via_ircc   22932  0
psmouse34568  0
snd_pcm_oss38048  1
snd_mixer_oss  15232  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm65928  5 
snd_via82xx_modem,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer  19972  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd45412  15 
snd_via82xx_modem,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_via82xx,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_ac97_codec,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
irda  155836  1 via_ircc
rtc11572  0
serio_raw   6532  0
snd_page_alloc 10248  3 snd_via82xx_modem,snd_via82xx,snd_pcm
crc_ccitt   2304  1 irda
soundcore   8928  2 snd
amd64_agp  12036  1
agpgart29360  2 drm,amd64_agp
yenta_socket   24588  2
rsrc_nonstatic 11904  1 yenta_socket
pcmcia_core36240  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
shpchp 32796  0
pci_hotplug28088  1 shpchp
evdev   9088  1
ext3  116488  3
jbd47272  1 ext3
ide_cd 35616  0
cdrom  32416  1 ide_cd
ide_disk   14848  5
via82cxxx   8452  0 [permanent]
via_rhine  21768  0
mii 5376  1 via_rhine
generic 4996  0 [permanent]
ide_core  107760  4 ide_cd,ide_disk,via82cxxx,generic
ehci_hcd   27144  0
uhci_hcd   20236  0
usbcore   109444  4 usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
thermal13576  0
processor  23724  1 thermal
fan 4868  0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.1 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.2 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.3 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.7 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800

Upgrade to Etch is now OK,but with a small problem.

[alexandre suzuki]

I am tuning my new Etch system,I have finally
installed
using a small HFS partition on the harddisk and a
netinstall ISO in a flash key.The problem is: I cannot
boot anymore my MacOS 9.2.2 partition,when I try
booting
from a CD the MacOS on it does not even recognize the
2 HFS+ and HFS on the harddrive(only recognize the all
HardDisk,and I do not wish to erase all and start from
scratch).The files on the HFS partitions are intact,I
copy them to Etch without any problem.
I used ybin to configure booting on both
partitions,but
using a tested yaboot.conf file(I used it with Sarge),
so the problem is probably related with the partitions
(HFS,HFS+),or files MacOSROM and System used by
OpenFirmware to load the system,something was changed
during the install of Etch,but all happend normally
with all screens.How to fix that without starting all
from scratch is challenging,at first sight.


  

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Re: KDE hangs

[Alan McConnell]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:16:04AM +0530, sujith h wrote:
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> I am sujith. I installed KDE. But I am facing an issue with KDE.
Hello, Sujith!  Let me make some suggestions.

First: you seem to be able to get into your system in some
way; perhaps you switch to another tty(with Ctrl-Alt-F2,
maybe.

What I have done for years is: disable any X-stuff running
before I log in.  An easy way to do this is to go to
/etc/init.d/ and make the script  xdm  non-executable.
(chmod -x xdm, as root_

After you have done this, you will, I'm sure, find that
you can log in -- as root, or as your own user name, or
whatever -- when the screen is simply white type on black
background.

If this works, then you can get a .xinitrc in your home
directory -- maybe your home directory has this file already --
and edit it so that the command 'startx' will start KDE, or
GNOME, or some kind of esoteric mixture, such as I use.

This procedure separates the issues of logging in from
the issues of starting KDE.  With the issues separated,
you will be able to resolve your KDE problems more
easily, I am sure.

If you need help with .xinitrc, let us know.  I have a
nice one, but so do many others.

Very best wishes,

Alan

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Re: Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

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On Mar 19, 4:40 pm, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I had always assumed that the symlinks in /dev/disk/by-path/ worked like
> that
> ...
> If I understand your previous emails correctly then /dev/disk/by-path/
> does not work like that for you. That sounds like a bug of udev and/or
> the kernel (driver of the controller, hotplug subsystem or sysfs) to me.

I had high expectation for the /dev/disk/by-path/ links, and, at
first, they seemed to do what I wanted. The ports of the eight-port
controller were designated pci-:03:03.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 through ...-
scsi-7:0:0:0, and they matched the physical ports, which was great.
However, after a reboot I discovered that they are now designated like
this: pci-:03:03.0-scsi-0:0:0:0, then -scsi-1 and -scsi-2 were
*missing*, then -scsi-3 through -scsi-9 were present, which absolutely
doesn't make sense. :(

I guess I'm stuck with UUIDs.  Not a clean solution, but at least it's
reliable.


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Re: Debian Installation Process ?s

[Preston Boyington]

Rick Kalkowski wrote:


I've got an old WinXP  lap-top I'd like to resurrect for my son to use


What is the brand and model of the laptop?  places like:
http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/
are usually a good place to start.

> When I crank up the PC now,

it's asking me for an admin password (that's been long since forgotten).


I would wager if it is a BIOS password there should be some way to reset it.


a little more information would help us...


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Re: vmware-server with 2.6.24

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi all.

>  I have found from previous times trying to install vmware not to look to
>  hard, sometimes it just go to far, which is why I try and kiss it.  So
>  tried out the any-any stuff, it worked so I was happy.

>  But knowing it is a simple things as changing a header file name, I
>  might re look at it and go back to the kernel modules from the vmware
>  tar ball

yes, you must modify the /vmmon-only/include/vcpuset.h included in
vmmon.tar (into vmware-any-any-update115.tar.gz)

SO:

# wget http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update115.tar.gz
# tar zxvf vmware-any-any-update115.tar.gz
# cd vmware-any-any-update115
# cp vmmon.tar vmmon.tar.ori
# tar xvf vmmon.tar

You must modify ./vmmon-only/include/vcpuset.h
edit
#include "asm/bitops.h"
to obtain
#include "linux/bitops.h"

so, finally, you'll have:
...
#elif defined MODULE
  #include "linux/bitops.h"
#elif defined __APPLE__ && defined KERNEL
...

Recreate the tar file and run the runme.pl (instead of vmware-config.pl)

# tar cvfp vmmon.tar vmmon-only
# ./runme.pl

Hope this help.
Regards
M


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Alex Samad]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:46:17AM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Alex Samad wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:37:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>   
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>>> On 03/18/08 15:44, Mike Bird wrote:
>>> 
 On Tue March 18 2008 12:56:00 Michael S. Peek wrote:
   
> But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would
> ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why?
> 
 We use "nothing" for hardware RAID.  Software RAID is much more
 flexible.  With hardware RAID you always need to have a spare
 controller on hand, because without a matching replacement
 controller you can't retrieve your data after a controller failure.
   
>>> That's what dual redundant controllers are for.  Both transfer data
>>> for the same "device", and if one fails, the other keeps on plugging
>>> away.
>>>
>>> Obviously, performance suffers, but at least the machine keeps on
>>> chugging until you can replace the dead controller.
>>>
>>> Does Linux have that capability?
>>> 
>> I believe the kernel (+userland tools) can handle multipath (multipathd)
>>   
>>> SNIP
> Yes, the kernel does (or is able) to handle multipath, however AFAIK,  
> the major SAN,NAS mfg do not support it.  I only know of one former  
HP Storeage works support mutlipathd - with their HBA (qlogic) and their
eva (and I think XP ) range

and they are moving towards using the standard drivers, not having to
install their own

> customer who tried to use it and it was failing.  All the functionality  
> you get from HBAs is not yet working.  If you use multipath, you need to  
> use vendor HBAs and vendor applications (aka PowerPath from EMC, the  
> only one I have experience with)  AFAIK.  If you know better, please  
Storeage works have a whitepaper on doing multipath with linux and their
storeage, using multipathd 

> inform me.  I did extensive searching on behalf of that customer and I  
> only found that at best it is only partly running and buggy.  This  
> experience is about 6 months old.
>
> In short, IF multipathd works for your SAN/NAS you're home free,  
> however, if you can't get it configured to see your LUNS, nothing you  
> can do about it.  So it comes down to which do you have more of?  Time  
> or Money?  If time, play with multipathd, and if you have kernel devs on  
> the team, perhaps you can fix the issues.  If you have more money, go  
> with the vendor solution.
>
> Disclaimer, we are leaving the area of Linux I know the most about and  
> are on the outside of my knowledge base.  All I know of this subject is  
> from that one customer I could not effectively help other then to say  
> use EMC's application, even after extensive research by me.  Even after  
> going through all the howto's I could find, his SAN was not properly  
> being displayed.
>
> HTH
>
> Damon L. Chesser
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Re: Can I have your signature to help me protect Open Source? from Bruce Perens.

[Terence]

Hi, All,

I apologise in advance if any of you find such advocacy inappropriate,
but I felt you may wish to see this:

Quote "I need you to help me protect Open Source."

"Would you please visit

http://techp.org/p/7/

read the message there, and sign it?

If you would like to discuss this with me directly, please email or call
510-984-1055.

   Many Thanks

   Bruce Perens
-- 
Bruce Perens / 1563 Solano Ave. / PMB 349 / Berkeley CA 94707 USA /
510-984-1055"

I support Bruce on this. Maybe you will feel able to do so. If you do
so, perhaps you  may want to pass this on as I have done.

If you don't, I am sorry to have wasted your time. Thank you anyway.

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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Alex Samad]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 08:15:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 03/19/08 07:03, Alex Samad wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 05:41:20PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 03/18/08 17:21, Gregory Seidman wrote:
>  On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:33:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 03/18/08 16:03, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> >> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>> On 03/18/08 15:41, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> >>> [snip]
> >> [snip]
> > We (well, the company I work for) has much higher bandwidth needs
> > than that.  Which is why all new purchases now use SANs.  RAID 10
> > and a lot of cache makes a database really scream.  Then it's only
> > the FC switch that's the potential bottleneck...
> >> Q) have you investigated 10G over FC ?
> 
> You mean 10Gb FC switches?  No.
yes sorry, after reading it again I could see how you could interpret
either way

> 
> Extra 4Gb ports and HBAs give us the bandwidth we need.
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Re: vmware-server with 2.6.24

[Alex Samad]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 04:18:57PM +0200, Micha wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:41:53 +1100
> Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:05:44AM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> > > Alex Samad wrote:
> > >
> > > SNIP
> > >> well for 2.6.22 you couls also just do a m-a a-i vmware-server-kernel  
> > >> and a apt-get install vmware-XXX
> > >>
> > >> my problem was with 2.6.24.
> > >>
> > >> I try and do it with apt if possible
> > >
> > > If you make a .deb from alien and use dpkg -i, it is as if you are using  
> > > apt.  The packagemanager knows it is installed.  Apt is not magical.  It  
> > > is a front end to dpkg. 
> > true
> > 
> > >
> > > I can't remember how I hit on this method, however I can tell you I  
> > > don't like installing *.tar.gz unless I am making a .deb.  Using Alien  
> > > --with-scripts makes me a .deb.  So far in Debian Sid and in Ubuntu 7.10  
> > > this method has worked for VMworkstation and VMserver and you don't have  
> > > to muck with mod assistant. 
> > I will have to have a look at it. I guess before 2.6.24 module assist
> > wasn't a problem
> 
> from installing it some a few days ago for a test, the problem is that it 
> won't
> install directly since one of the headers for the kernel driver includes
> (IIRC the include name) asm/bitops.h instead of linux/bitops.h so I had to
> pause (Ctrl-Z) the compilation in the middle and  fix the file.
I have found from previous times trying to install vmware not to look to
hard, sometimes it just go to far, which is why I try and kiss it.  So
tried out the any-any stuff, it worked so I was happy.

But knowing it is a simple things as changing a header file name, I
might re look at it and go back to the kernel modules from the vmware
tar ball
> 
> If there is a debian package or you know how to get at the module files then
> this can probably be avoided.
afaik there are none, apart from the build your own.  Not sure how
vmware would feel about people distributing pre packaged deb's of there
stuff ? pretty sure it doesn't meet debian guidelines either 
> 
> > >
> > >
> > > Damon L. Chesser
> > >
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Re: Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 19:25:57 -0700, agenkin AT gmail DOT com wrote:

[...]

> Perhaps I wasn't clear, I'll try to restate the problem. :)
> 
> We have thirteen drive bays with removable SATA disks in a box used
> for backups.  The bays are marked 1 through 13, and mount to /backup/
> drive01 .. drive13.  Sometimes we replace some of the disks with new
> ones (e.g. to store the old ones for long-term off-line backups), and
> we want the replaced disk accessible at the same mount point as the
> old disk.  The newly inserted disks will have a different UUID, and,
> should we use UUIDs, the operation will require reconfiguring the host
> to mount the new drives, which is a hassle.
> 
> In essence, we would like to be able to address partitions like it's
> done in a BSD-derived Unix.  For example, in Solaris /dev/dsk/c1t4d5s7
> means "controller 1 target 4 disk 5 slice 7".  Doesn't have to be the
> same syntax, of course, but we'd like to be able to reliably address a
> disk, connected to specific hardware address (a port of a SATA card).

I had always assumed that the symlinks in /dev/disk/by-path/ worked like
that. Today I actually tried this; however, my system is much simpler
than what you describe: I have two onboard SATA IDE Controllers (Intel
ICH8) with 2 ports each, two hard disks and one CDRW/DVD drive. I found
the behavior that I had expected: For example, when I switched my second
HD from the first to the second port of the second controller and
rebooted, the corresponding symlink in /dev/disk/by-path/ changed from
pci-:00:1f.5-scsi-0:0:0:0 to pci-:00:1f.5-scsi-1:0:0:0. (00:1f.5
is the PCI address of this controller.) The symlinks of the individual
partitions on that HD changed likewise.

If I understand your previous emails correctly then /dev/disk/by-path/
does not work like that for you. That sounds like a bug of udev and/or
the kernel (driver of the controller, hotplug subsystem or sysfs) to me.
This makes it seem unlikely that you can use other information provided
by udev (or HAL or sysfs) to reliably figure out which disk is connected
to which port. Maybe you can check kernel.org if any substantial
bugfixes were merged into the driver(s) of your controller(s) lately.  

The only workaround I can think of would be to write your own script to
keep track of the disks, for example by maintaining a UUID vs. symlink
lookup table. Udev can call this script whenever a disk is added or
removed, and if you only swap one disk at a time then the script can
reliably figure out which symlink has to be (re-)assigned to the new
drive. Udev can then use the output of the script to (re-)create the
correct /dev/mydiskXX (or whatever) symlink. The lookup table has to be
saved such that it survives reboots, of course. That would ensure
consistent access to the disks via the /dev/mydiskXX symlinks, but it
seems like a bit too much of a hassle for a feature that should be
provided automatically.

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Kernel bug? when using lucent modem

[Misko]

I have lucent modem and martian module for it. I had no trouble
with it if there were not this one incident. When I dialed up
after making connection pppd (modem connection) freezed. And
there was noise present on phone line (when I picked up handset)
even after I killed pppd. Computer released
phone line only when I restarted OS shortly after.

Since then modem again works fine.
I am just curious what could be reason for this behavior.

Misko

Here are some more info:
$ lspci -n
00:13.0 0780: 11c1:0440 (rev 01)
$ lspci -v
00:13.0 Communication controller: Agere Systems 56k WinModem (rev 01)
Subsystem: Agere Systems LT WinModem 56k Data+Fax+Voice+Dsvd
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
Memory at fedffc00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
I/O ports at e400 [size=8]
I/O ports at e800 [size=256]
Capabilities: [f8] Power Management version 2

Here is part of /var/log/syslog:

Mar 18 13:16:35 alfa pppd[3526]: Serial connection established.
Mar 18 13:16:35 alfa pppd[3526]: using channel 2
Mar 18 13:16:35 alfa pppd[3526]: Using interface ppp0
Mar 18 13:16:35 alfa pppd[3526]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Mar 18 13:16:36 alfa pppd[3526]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: skb_under_panic: text:ccac3d97 len:11 put:1 
head:c2b28800 data:c2b287ff tail:c2b2880a end:c2b28e00 dev:
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: [ cut here ]
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: kernel BUG at net/core/skbuff.c:111!
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: invalid opcode:  [#1]
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: SMP
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: Modules linked in: ppp_deflate zlib_deflate 
bsd_comp ppp_async crc_ccitt isofs ppp_generic slhc ipt_LOG xt_state 
ipt_MASQUERADE iptable_nat ip_nat ip_conntrack nfnetlink iptable_filter 
ip_tables x_tables tun button ac battery ipv6 nls_iso8859_1 nls_cp850 vfat fat 
dm_snapshot dm_mirror dm_mod kqemu loop tsdev snd_ens1371 gameport 
snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_rawmidi 
snd_seq_device snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus floppy snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss 
serio_raw parport_pc parport rtc snd_pcm snd_timer psmouse i2c_piix4 intel_agp 
agpgart i2c_core pcspkr snd soundcore snd_page_alloc martian_dev shpchp 
pci_hotplug evdev ext3 jbd mbcache ide_cd cdrom ide_disk uhci_hcd usbcore piix 
generic ide_core thermal processor fan
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: CPU:0
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: EIP:0060:[]Tainted: PF VLI
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: EFLAGS: 00013086   (2.6.18-4-686 #1)
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: EIP is at skb_under_panic+0x37/0x45
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: eax: 0071   ebx: c02a16b6   ecx: 3082   
edx: 3000
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: esi:    edi: c2b2880c   ebp: c2b2880b   
esp: c75e1eb0
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: ds: 007b   es: 007b   ss: 0068
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: Process martian_modem (pid: 2397, ti=c75e 
task=cbf13aa0 task.ti=c75e)
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: Stack: c02aec03 ccac3d97 000b 0001 
c2b28800 c2b287ff c2b2880a c2b28e00
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:c02a16b6 cb9c0520 00ff ccac3d9c 
 c8173410 c26ed800 cb92ce00
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:3286 0001 0046 c26ed800 
c8173400 0046 c01ff6aa 0036
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: Call Trace:
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] ppp_asynctty_receive+0x380/0x555 
[ppp_async]
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] ppp_asynctty_receive+0x385/0x555 
[ppp_async]
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] pty_write+0x2a/0x34
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] write_chan+0x21d/0x294
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] default_wake_function+0x0/0xc
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] tty_write+0x147/0x1d8
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] write_chan+0x0/0x294
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] tty_write+0x0/0x1d8
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] vfs_write+0xa1/0x143
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] sys_write+0x3c/0x63
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel:  [] sysenter_past_esp+0x56/0x79
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: Code: 0f 45 de 53 ff b0 a8 00 00 00 ff b0 a4 00 00 
00 ff b0 a0 00 00 00 ff b0 9c 00 00 00 52 ff 70 60 51 68 03 ec 2a c0 e8 8e 91 
ef ff <0f> 0b 6f 00 9c eb 2a c0 83 c4 24 5b 5e c3 56 53 bb b6 16 2a c0
Mar 18 13:16:37 alfa kernel: EIP: [] skb_under_panic+0x37/0x45 SS:ESP 
0068:c75e1eb0
Mar 18 13:16:39 alfa pppd[3526]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
Mar 18 13:17:00 alfa last message repeated 7 times
Mar 18 13:17:01 alfa /USR/SBIN/CRON[3564]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts 
--report /etc/cron.hourly)
Mar 18 13:17:03 alfa pppd[3526]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
Mar 18 13:17:04 alfa pppd[3526]: Terminating on signal 15


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Luke S Crawford]

"Michael S. Peek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ...That is, unless someone knows a good and cheap way to have big-time
> data density outside the machine.  The other option I'm looking at is
> a NAS, but it seems to me that the cheaper solution is to build a
> storage server myself instead.

Price it out carefully;  but remember, the more expensive netapp/emc
will be a lot more reliable, however, if it works for your application,
just building 2 yourself (and keeping one spare) is quite often a lot 
cheaper.  Do a nightly rsync, and you are ready for most disasters
with a half-day rollback worst-case.   Of course, if restoring from  
your last backup is millions of dollars of lost profits, you might 
want to go with the emc/netapp-  but if restoring from your last backup 
is more like a couple thousand (or even a couple tens of thousands 
of dollars)  building one yourself with one in  reserve and a good 
(tested!) backup setup may be the best solution.  

The other thing to consider is just engineering your application so that it 
stores the data on local disks;  In terms of hardware (rather than engineering
time) the cheapest (and probably highest performance) solution would be
to just put one or two local disks  internal to each computer, and have
your application distribute the data in a redundant fashon... of course,
depending on your application, this can be a lot of work-   but if you
have more Engineering power  than dollars, you can get a good deal this way.


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Re: How to create an ssh chain A->B->C to do http over ssh across the chain?

[Kevin Buhr]

Mitchell Laks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Here is the situation. You have machines A->B->C. You want to create a ssh 
> tunnel directly
> from A to C.
>
> Machine A can see machine B and machine B can see C, but A can't see C 
> directly.
> A and B are on a local network and only B has 'limited net access'.

I tested the following two solutions, and they seem to work.

First, running the following on host A:

hosta$ ssh -L 8080:localhost:8080 B ssh -D 8080 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

will set things up so that localhost connections on A to port 8080
will be forwarded over an SSH connection to port 8080 on host B.  The
second "ssh" command running on B, meanwhile, will then act as a SOCKS
server on port 8080, accepting connections forwarded from A,
demultiplexing the SOCKS stream, and managing connections as if they
originated from C.

Note that you could do:

hosta$ ssh -L 8080:localhost:8080 B ssh -N -D 8080 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(i.e., specifying the -N flag) instead, but I had trouble with the
second "ssh" connection sticking around after the first died when I
tested it, so the former might be better, even though it ties up a terminal.

Note also that, using this method, other users on host B could also
connect to local port 8080 and use that socks server to manage
connections originating from host C.  This may or may not be a
problem.

Second, another possibility, which may be more flexible, would be to
set up an SSH tunnel from A to B to accomodate a direct SSH connection
from A to C.  That is, the command (run on host A):

hosta$ ssh -NL 8022:C.com:22 B &

will set things up so that local connections to port 8022 will be
forwarded over the tunnel B to become a connection from B to port 22
on C.  Now, if you run the command (on host A):

hosta$ ssh -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null \
>-o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -ND 8080 -p 8022 localhost

that will connect to the SSH server on C providing a local SOCKS
server on A.  Note that the first SSH tunnel is being used only for
its tunnelling side effect, not security.  In fact, the traffic
between B and C will travel "in the clear", but the traffic here is
from the second SSH connection which is separately encrypted and so safe.

The two "-o" options here are to prevent SSH from verifying and
storing the host key for this connection.  You are actually connecting
to host C, but it looks to SSH like you are connecting to "localhost",
so SSH will store C's host key as if it's the localhost key, and
you'll get warnings and errors about changed keys in the future.  This
would open the door to a man-in-the-middle attack, but it's probably
not a big concern for your purposes.

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Re: continuity of a topic in debian-user

[Vikki Roemer]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:30 PM, PETER EASTHOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folk,
>
>  Once or twice the list server has connected
>  the thread after I've copied the subject line
>  verbatim.  Usually the thread gets broken and
>  complaints follow.  Does anyone see why this
>  happens? ... With the server, not the humans.
>
>  Is there a way to ensure that the thread is maintained,
>  given that I compose the reply in a Web based MUA?
>

Because threading is done by message id (see headers) and not actually
replying to the thread loses the continuity of the message/reference
ids.  Basically, if you don't reply you're starting a new thread.

-- 
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Registered Linux user #280021

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Other times I can barely see.
Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip its been."
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continuity of a topic in debian-user

[PETER EASTHOPE]

Folk,

Once or twice the list server has connected 
the thread after I've copied the subject line 
verbatim.  Usually the thread gets broken and 
complaints follow.  Does anyone see why this 
happens? ... With the server, not the humans.  

Is there a way to ensure that the thread is maintained, 
given that I compose the reply in a Web based MUA?

Thanks,  ... Peter E.


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disassembling machine code

[PETER EASTHOPE]

Folk,

I have these 5 bytes of machine code to 
disassemble.

b8 12 00 cd 10

I've looked at gdb and objdump.  Appears they 
need a complete object file.  Someone please 
give a clue.

Thanks,  ... Peter E.

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installed dmraid and cannot reboot

[michael]

Hands up to making a mistake - I've been trying to get my AMD64  
Debian 'etch' box to recognise a Promise controller and thought that  
installing dmraid would help. I did a

 apt-get install dmraid
and then rebooted... only to find it in BusyBox with a initramfs  
prompt and no idea as how to recover to a working system...


I can see it's trying to run some /scripts and then kinit does  
something before attempting to 'resume' and saying there is no resume  
image then trying a normal boot but saying it can not read the image  
(then many more lines of complaints but am unsure how to copy to  
another machine)



Any ideas? I'd guess rebooting somehow without these scripts and then  
removing dmraid would return me to a wokring system but I'm unsure  
how to do even this!


Many thanks, Michael


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Re: etch: cannot mount usb hd

[Jörg Becker]

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 19:15, Bob McGowan wrote:
> Have you tried unmounting it, perhaps using the -n (don't write mtab) or
> -f (force unmount, usually useful with unreachable NFS server mounts,
> but who knows?).

umount -n /dev/sdc2
umount: /dev/sdc2: not mounted

umount -f /dev/sdc2
umount2: Invalid argument  because not nfs?
umount: /dev/sdc2: not mounted


I also tried noauto in fstab an manually mount after boot. But with the same 
result: device is busy.

Jörg

Re: Debian Installation Process ?s

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/19/08 13:50, Rick Kalkowski wrote:
> I've got an old WinXP  lap-top I'd like to resurrect for my son to use
> for games, internet, etc. I'm ready to wipe the drive and convert it to
> linux, but I'm not sure how to get started. When I crank up the PC now,
> it's asking me for an admin password (that's been long since forgotten).
> 
> Can anyone tell me the process for wiping the drive given above?

A BIOS-based boot password?  Or a Windows password?

> Will it be possible to download the Debian install on another computer,
> copy to CD and use that as the install?

Yes.

> Will I be able to support a wireless (PCMIA?) card I have for this PC?

Depends on the chipset.  Probably.

> Any other tips greatly appreciated. If I can't get this to work, I'll
> just junk the PC, but seems like a waste given my son's (4yr old)
> facination w/computers.


He's too young.  Books and toys and balls and tricycles should be
his purview.
(Yes, I *am* a parent, and no, we didn't let our children use
computers back [4-6 years ago] then.)



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Re: Symlink not permanent

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On 03/19/08 13:37, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2008-03-19 20:29 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> 
>>  # cd /dev
>>
>>  # ls -l cdrom
>>  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-01-14 16:34 cdrom -> hdb
>>
>>  # rm -vi cdrom
>>  rm: remove symbolic link `cdrom'? y
>>  removed `cdrom'
>>
>>  # ln -s hdc cdrom
>>
>>  # ls -l cdrom
>>  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-01-14 16:42 cdrom -> hdc
>>
>>
>> , but then when I reboot the symlink points to hdb back again!  Why that, and
>> how to work it out?
> 
> That is because your /dev directory itself is not permanent, i.e. you
> are using udev.  See the output of `mount' and `df'.
> 
>>  How to make the symlink permanent?
> 
> There should be a file named /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules
> which you can edit to your needs.

Unless he has two optical drives, he should not care about device
permanence.  That's the point of udev.

If he has multiple optical drives, though, Sven is correct to look
in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules.

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Re: RAID suggestions?

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> shot.  (For instance, it doesn't know the difference between not OK and
> "VERIFYING", so once a week I get 99 emails that say, "An error was
> found: VERIFYING 1%", 2%, 3%, ...)

grep error | grep -v VERIFYING

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Debian Installation Process ?s

[Rick Kalkowski]

I've got an old WinXP  lap-top I'd like to resurrect for my son to use for 
games, internet, etc. I'm ready to wipe the drive and convert it to linux, 
but I'm not sure how to get started. When I crank up the PC now, it's asking 
me for an admin password (that's been long since forgotten).


Can anyone tell me the process for wiping the drive given above?

Will it be possible to download the Debian install on another computer, copy 
to CD and use that as the install?


Will I be able to support a wireless (PCMIA?) card I have for this PC?

Any other tips greatly appreciated. If I can't get this to work, I'll just 
junk the PC, but seems like a waste given my son's (4yr old) facination 
w/computers.




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KDE hangs

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I am sujith. I installed KDE. But I am facing an issue with KDE.
When I restart KDM, after entering the username and the password
the login screen moves off and nothing happens. Then I looked at the
/var/log/kdm.log I could see the following lines:
X: client 2 rejected from local host
Its getting reatedly printed. Can any one help me to find out the problem.
If there are any other files that I have to look for then please do help me
to find.

Sujith H

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Re: Symlink not permanent

[Sven Joachim]

On 2008-03-19 20:29 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

>  # cd /dev
>
>  # ls -l cdrom
>  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-01-14 16:34 cdrom -> hdb
>
>  # rm -vi cdrom
>  rm: remove symbolic link `cdrom'? y
>  removed `cdrom'
>
>  # ln -s hdc cdrom
>
>  # ls -l cdrom
>  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-01-14 16:42 cdrom -> hdc
>
>
> , but then when I reboot the symlink points to hdb back again!  Why that, and
> how to work it out?

That is because your /dev directory itself is not permanent, i.e. you
are using udev.  See the output of `mount' and `df'.

>  How to make the symlink permanent?

There should be a file named /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules
which you can edit to your needs.

Sven


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Symlink not permanent

[Rodolfo Medina]

I do:


 # cd /dev

 # ls -l cdrom
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-01-14 16:34 cdrom -> hdb

 # rm -vi cdrom
 rm: remove symbolic link `cdrom'? y
 removed `cdrom'

 # ln -s hdc cdrom

 # ls -l cdrom
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-01-14 16:42 cdrom -> hdc


, but then when I reboot the symlink points to hdb back again!  Why that, and
how to work it out?  How to make the symlink permanent?

Thanks for any reply
Rodolfo


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Damon L. Chesser]

Michael S. Peek wrote:

SNIP




So I'm not a complete loon?  Excellent.  At least that makes me feel 
better.


Like I said, in the past I've used 3ware, but on the last build I did 
I couldn't get the monitoring software to run.  The command-line tool 
worked fine, but the monitor would segfault.  So I wound up kludging 
it by having a cron job call a script that would run the command line 
tool, feed it the commands necessary to check the status of the RAID, 
and then check the output for any string that looked like an error.  
It works great for a kludge, but that's to say that it's not elegant 
by a long shot.  (For instance, it doesn't know the difference between 
not OK and "VERIFYING", so once a week I get 99 emails that say, "An 
error was found: VERIFYING 1%", 2%, 3%, ...)


It looks as though the new player on the block is Areca, which seems 
to be highly recommended in the reviews I've read, and it has driver 
support in the linux kernel out of the box.  But I can't find the 
program (or is it kernel module?) for the http interface -- arechttp I 
think it's called.


What else is out there for HW RAID, and how easy is it to use w/ a 
stock kernel?


Michael



Michael,

The only hardware raid controller I have experience with is  Dell PERC 
controllers which is IIRC an Adaptec chipset.  These PERCs do not 
interact with the kernel, rather they interact with the built in server 
monitor hardware.  You might get messages in /var/log/messages  about 
/dev/sdX if  a  HD  fails, you might not.  The actual hardware is masked 
from the OS by the server hardware, bios and PERC controllers.  If an 
error happens the "Dell" logo would go amber then you run diags or Dell 
monitoring software (called OpenManage) to tell you what the fault is.  
So, I just don't know what monitoring software is out there to do your 
job.  I believe HP and IBM also has similar hardware solutions "built 
in" to the servers combined with  custom software monitoring tools. I 
have to bow to someone else's knowledge and learn with you about "white 
boxes" hardware raid.


And no, you are not a loon!  :)  I just did not understand the basis for 
your RAID question and thought I would pass on my former customers 
experience and preferences. 

However, if 3ware can be used as just a controller (or you just make 
single HD volumes) you might still make mdadm work for you with the 
built in mdadm monitoring tools (that is essentially what my customers 
did). IE:  24 scsi HDs set up as 24 RAID-0 seen by the OS as 24 sd's.  
mdadm then is used to make raid-X out of those.  mdadm can then tell you 
if sda has failed or not.  I don't know if this is feasible for you, but 
I offer it up as the only solution I do know about outside of Dell hardware.


HTH


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Re: etch: cannot mount usb hd

[Bob McGowan]

Jörg Becker wrote:

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 00:11, Bernardo Dal Seno wrote:

Does "cat /proc/mount" produce the same result?


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Can you mount it read-only (-o ro)?

mount /media/backup/:
mount: /dev/disk/by-id/usb-WDC_WD30_00JB-00KFA0_0-part2 already mounted 
or /media/backup busy


sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdc2 /mnt/
mount: /dev/sdc2 already mounted or /mnt/tmp/ busy


Jörg



Have you tried unmounting it, perhaps using the -n (don't write mtab) or 
-f (force unmount, usually useful with unreachable NFS server mounts, 
but who knows?).


This may clear the kernel's bad mount info and allow you to then mount 
the drive.


Maybe.  I hope this actually helps.

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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Michael S. Peek]

Damon L. Chesser wrote:
Alas!  I just don't know about SATA controllers.  Given your 
situation, it would appear that your plan is the best one.  I would 
stick with what you know and what you know works.  Time is short and 
your rep is on the line.  Beyond that, I would have to let some one 
more experienced with NAS/custom storage then myself advise you.  RAID 
I feel comfortable with.  Talking about  big  high density  SATA 
controllers vs NAS, I do not.


So I'm not a complete loon?  Excellent.  At least that makes me feel better.

Like I said, in the past I've used 3ware, but on the last build I did I 
couldn't get the monitoring software to run.  The command-line tool 
worked fine, but the monitor would segfault.  So I wound up kludging it 
by having a cron job call a script that would run the command line tool, 
feed it the commands necessary to check the status of the RAID, and then 
check the output for any string that looked like an error.  It works 
great for a kludge, but that's to say that it's not elegant by a long 
shot.  (For instance, it doesn't know the difference between not OK and 
"VERIFYING", so once a week I get 99 emails that say, "An error was 
found: VERIFYING 1%", 2%, 3%, ...)


It looks as though the new player on the block is Areca, which seems to 
be highly recommended in the reviews I've read, and it has driver 
support in the linux kernel out of the box.  But I can't find the 
program (or is it kernel module?) for the http interface -- arechttp I 
think it's called.


What else is out there for HW RAID, and how easy is it to use w/ a stock 
kernel?


Michael


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Re: Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

[Bob McGowan]

NN_il_Confusionario wrote:

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 07:25:57PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

old disk.  The newly inserted disks will have a different UUID, and,
should we use UUIDs, the operation will require reconfiguring the host
to mount the new drives, which is a hassle.


You can use filesystem labels, they are easiser to configure on the
drives than uuids



I would agree with this.  Since the disk being swapped in is defined as 
a replacement, and so assuming that it will have a new FS built on it, 
you would add the FS specific option to create a label.  For example, if 
you're creating an ext3 FS, add '-L new-volume-label' to the command 
line, where the label name is the same as the name used for the original 
disk.


Your fstab entry would be:

 LABEL=new-volume-label   .usual fstab stuff.

Edit fstab once for all the disks, then every time mkfs is run, with the
relevant '-L value', the new disk will mount where the original one did.

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Re: best package for windows Vista

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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[redirected from debian-devel]

Jonathan Smith wrote on 2008-03-19 17:53:
> To whom this may concern,
> 
> I want to load the Debian Linux OS on my Windows Vista Home Premium. 

This is the wrong list to ask this kind of question. Try debian-user
instead.

>   Is
> Debian 4.0 the best software to use for these means?  Does anyone recommend
> a particular dealer to use to order these?

Please search the web and read debian's home page [1]. The first
sentence of that page tells you: 'Debian is a free operating system (OS)
for your computer. '

Since you didn't tell what your needs are it is a bit difficult to tell,
if debian is the best software for you. It certainly is the best
software for me and many others out there.

Since you say you are from a university, probably the best way to obtain
debian is via the internet. You could either download a minimal cd image
from [2] or simply visit [3]. (Don't be scared by the name of the web
page, the installer will install debian alongside your other OS.
However, for any installation of a new OS it's always a good idea to
have good backups.)

On [2] you could also find a list of CD vendors.

Another approach would be to buy a book about debian. Most of those have
CDs/DVDs packaged with them.

HTH,
Johannes

[1] http://www.debian.org/
[2] http://www.debian.org/distrib/
[3] http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
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Re: RAID suggestions?

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On 03/19/08 10:52, Michael S. Peek wrote:
> Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>> Having done support for a tier1 OEM, I found
>> many of our customers (running Linux) ignored the raid controllers and
>> used them as disk controllers and then used software raid.
> 
> This would be fine, I don't really care if it's a hardware or software
> RAID, although it seems like a waste of money to buy a hardware RAID
> card just to use as a dense SATA controller.  Is there such a thing as a
> SATA controller just for lots of drives?  One that supports, say, 8 or
> more drives and is supported by the linux kernel out of the box?  All I
> really want is to be able to have big-time data density in a single
> machine.
> 
> ...That is, unless someone knows a good and cheap way to have big-time
> data density outside the machine.  The other option I'm looking at is a
> NAS, but it seems to me that the cheaper solution is to build a storage
> server myself instead.
> 
> My biggest hurdle here is that I have absolutely no experience with SANs
> or NASs, and I have a short period of time to get my proposal in, so I
> was planning on going with what I know will work: a big, fat case from
> rackmountpro.com with a hardware RAID card and 24 friggin' drives.

I don't think there are any non-RAID high-density PCIe controllers.

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Re: TrueCrypt install on Debian v4.3 or v5?

[Russell Gadd]

Brian McKee wrote:

On 18-Mar-08, at 12:52 PM, Russell Gadd wrote:

Alternatively is anyone using version 5 happily without suffering 
negative experience as mentioned in some places, e.g. Truecrypt 5.1 - 
How I loathe thee 
One user suggests he will return in a year's time. I don't want to 
wait that long for a usable version.



I tried to follow that link
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Hi Brian,

In case you are interested I copied the text from this link below.

Russell

How I loathe thee - posted by trueg
===

Before I begin my review of Truecrypt 5.1, You should know that I am not 
new to encryption. I have been using truecrypt 4.3 first on windows and 
then on linux with good results. Everything I do on this machine is 
automatically encrypted after login. While truecrypt without a gui was 
difficult to use at first, as I learned the commands it actually became 
easier and more efficient to use. Always, I found it to be fast, 
responsive and seamless.


Today, I installed truecrypt 5.1 on an older machine, to test it out. 
The experience has been so unforgivably horrible, that I have had to 
revert to 4.3 just to accomplish the most basic of tasks. I found myself 
writing a list of everything wrong with this version so as not to forget 
something.


As a linux user, there is a lot to find attractive in version 5. For 
example, Mounted volumes appear in the side pane of Nautilus. The 
graphical user interface has been ported from windows. When selecting a 
drive to encrypt, the GUI will list the size of each partition 
preventing the horrible of mistake of typing /dev/sdb instead of 
/dev/sdc. However, if you don't want to use the GUI you will have to 
type truecrypt -t before every command. This quickly gets tiresome. If I 
wanted to launch the GUI, I wouldn't have typed $truecrypt in the 
command line, would I. This became so tiresome that I was forced to 
create a wrapper to prevent the damned little GUI windows from launching 
every time I did anything in the command line.


If you are confused about any of the new features in truecrypt, don't 
expect to go to the man pages. What once existed in truecrypt 4.3 seems 
to have been erased. The 'Help' function doesn't work either. Other 
annoyances to add to the list: 1. The icon for truecrypt that appears in 
the sytem tray, disappears the moment you close the program. 2. Double 
clicking on a drive is supposed to open a file explorer window of the 
drive. It doesn't even fail, it just sits there doing nothing. 3. 
$truecrypt -d # doesn't appear to work anymore. 4. Even in text mode, 
you will have to dismiss more questions to accomplish basic tasks. 5. I 
couldn't mount unformatted volumes from the command line. (more on this 
in a bit)


These annoyances are not the worst of it. The structure of truecrypt has 
been so fundamentally altered that I couldn't even do a relatively 
simple task: create an XFS encrypted volume on an external drive.


After creating the encrypted volume, I attempted to load it so I could 
make the XFS filesystem. ( Why truecrypt can't give me this option when 
I first created the volume is a mystery to me. only the FAT filesystem 
is available) After typing in my long password, truecrypt refused to let 
me load it because the partition had no filesystem. Of course it 
doesn't! I haven't formatted it yet! Instead of letting me mount it 
anyway I had to type in the entire password again, but this time click 
the button more options and select "do not mount." Grr.


I opened Gparted, my favorite disk formatting utility, but it seems 
truecrypt has changed the way it works. Instead of mount volumes on 
/dev/truecrypt? It now mounts them on /dev/loop? This means that 
truecrypt volumes don't show up in Gparted anymore. It also destroys all 
old scripts that I had built to work with truecrypt. "Okay", I thought, 
I'll just have to use the command line $mkfs -t xfs /dev/loop? This work 
for the first few innodes, but then stalled on 28/1100. "Stalled" is to 
weak a word, it completely FROZE the entire computer forcing me to do a 
hard reboot.


Regardless, I pressed on. I created the XFS filesystem using a different 
computer that still had the GOOD truecrypt installed. Then, I mounted 
the volume with BAD truecrypt and attempted to copy some files. It was 
60 MiB in when it completely FROZE the computer once again. I watched as 
the time remaining counter started count up. The message box was saying 
400 HOURS estimated before I had enough and did a hard reboot again. 
It's as if the entire driver has been rewritten and the result is EPIC 
FAIL. This reminds me of the problems experienced by Windows Vista users.


By this point, I had had enough. I reinstalled truecryp

Re: Games on a Redmond virtual machine.

[Damon L. Chesser]

Steve Lamb wrote:

On Wed, March 19, 2008 8:27 am, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
  

Sins of a Solar Empire does NOT run flawlessly,  it sometimes locks up.
Currently updated to the latest patch for the game, that might have
something to do with it.  Very playable, if annoying.



You say this as if it were a problem with wine.  I have had it lock up
under XP.  *shrug*

  
Good to know.  I just did not want anybody to spend hard earned $$ on a 
game because I said it worked flawlessly.  I have not notice it locking 
up in XP yet, but I am not a dedicated gamer, only now and then the mood 
strikes me.


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Re: Games on a Redmond virtual machine.

[Steve Lamb]

On Wed, March 19, 2008 8:27 am, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Sins of a Solar Empire does NOT run flawlessly,  it sometimes locks up.
> Currently updated to the latest patch for the game, that might have
> something to do with it.  Very playable, if annoying.

You say this as if it were a problem with wine.  I have had it lock up
under XP.  *shrug*

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Re: Games on a Redmond virtual machine.

[Steve Lamb]

On Wed, March 19, 2008 2:48 am, iena unlike wrote:
> This is absolutely not TRUE. Why ?

No, it is absolutely true.  You just ignore what Paul wrote.

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm really surprised people are over-engineering this as much as they have
>> been... you really don't need a full blown VM for 90% of the software out
>> there for Windows.

Operative portion "for 90% of the software out there for Windows". 
Starcraft falls in the other 10%.  So your anecdote does not invalidate
his statement since he acknowledged that wine doesn't work for
everything.

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Re: etch: cannot mount usb hd

[Jörg Becker]

On Monday 17 March 2008 23:21, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Maybe it's still spinning up during the first power-up attempt?  If
> so, and it gets external power, maybe turn it on first?

I tried it without success.

Jörg

Re: etch: cannot mount usb hd

[Jörg Becker]

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 00:11, Bernardo Dal Seno wrote:
> Does "cat /proc/mount" produce the same result?
>
yes

> Do you see any entry that you cannot identify as a disk you know
> (beside the usual proc, sysfs...)? Maybe there is a node in /dev
> referring to sdc with another name.
>
I think this looks good, but no usb hd

rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0
none /sys sysfs rw 0 0
none /proc proc rw,nodiratime 0 0
udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0
/dev/mapper/gandalf-root / xfs rw 0 0
/dev/mapper/gandalf-root /dev/.static/dev xfs rw 0 0
tmpfs /lib/init/rw tmpfs rw,nosuid 0 0
usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec 0 0
tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,nosuid,noexec 0 0
/dev/sda1 /boot xfs rw 0 0
/dev/mapper/gandalf-home /home xfs rw 0 0
/dev/mapper/gandalf-tmp /tmp xfs rw 0 0
/dev/mapper/gandalf-usr /usr xfs rw 0 0
/dev/mapper/gandalf-var /var xfs rw 0 0
/dev/mapper/gandalf-opt /opt xfs rw 0 0
/dev/mapper/gandalf-shared_data /shared_data xfs rw 0 0
binfmt_misc /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0

>
> Can you read the disk? E.g. (probably to be done as root)
>   dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/null count=10
>   dd if=/dev/sdc2 of=/dev/null count=10
>
10+0 records in
10+0 records out
5120 bytes (5.1 kB) copied, 8.6e-05 seconds, 59.5 MB/s

> Can you mount it read-only (-o ro)?
mount /media/backup/:
mount: /dev/disk/by-id/usb-WDC_WD30_00JB-00KFA0_0-part2 already mounted 
or /media/backup busy

sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdc2 /mnt/
mount: /dev/sdc2 already mounted or /mnt/tmp/ busy


Jörg

Re: RAID suggestions?

[Damon L. Chesser]

Michael S. Peek wrote:

Damon L. Chesser wrote:

Having done support for a tier1 OEM, I found
many of our customers (running Linux) ignored the raid controllers and
used them as disk controllers and then used software raid.


This would be fine, I don't really care if it's a hardware or software 
RAID, although it seems like a waste of money to buy a hardware RAID 
card just to use as a dense SATA controller.  Is there such a thing as 
a SATA controller just for lots of drives?  One that supports, say, 8 
or more drives and is supported by the linux kernel out of the box?  
All I really want is to be able to have big-time data density in a 
single machine.


...That is, unless someone knows a good and cheap way to have big-time 
data density outside the machine.  The other option I'm looking at is 
a NAS, but it seems to me that the cheaper solution is to build a 
storage server myself instead.


My biggest hurdle here is that I have absolutely no experience with 
SANs or NASs, and I have a short period of time to get my proposal in, 
so I was planning on going with what I know will work: a big, fat case 
from rackmountpro.com with a hardware RAID card and 24 friggin' drives.


Michael



Michael,

Alas!  I just don't know about SATA controllers.  Given your situation, 
it would appear that your plan is the best one.  I would stick with what 
you know and what you know works.  Time is short and your rep is on the 
line.  Beyond that, I would have to let some one more experienced with 
NAS/custom storage then myself advise you.  RAID I feel comfortable 
with.  Talking about  big  high density  SATA controllers vs NAS, I do not.


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Michael S. Peek]

Damon L. Chesser wrote:

Having done support for a tier1 OEM, I found
many of our customers (running Linux) ignored the raid controllers and
used them as disk controllers and then used software raid.


This would be fine, I don't really care if it's a hardware or software 
RAID, although it seems like a waste of money to buy a hardware RAID 
card just to use as a dense SATA controller.  Is there such a thing as a 
SATA controller just for lots of drives?  One that supports, say, 8 or 
more drives and is supported by the linux kernel out of the box?  All I 
really want is to be able to have big-time data density in a single machine.


...That is, unless someone knows a good and cheap way to have big-time 
data density outside the machine.  The other option I'm looking at is a 
NAS, but it seems to me that the cheaper solution is to build a storage 
server myself instead.


My biggest hurdle here is that I have absolutely no experience with SANs 
or NASs, and I have a short period of time to get my proposal in, so I 
was planning on going with what I know will work: a big, fat case from 
rackmountpro.com with a hardware RAID card and 24 friggin' drives.


Michael


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Damon L. Chesser]

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

Snip
I think what Damon wanted to say that with MD you typically don't expect
data loss *even* though you don't pay for expensive service and
maintenance.

Our Raid controller broke just weeks before it went out of warranty and
no, we didn't plan to spend the money on an expensive warranty extension.

Johannes


  

Johannes,

Works for me! :)  Had that call many, many times (broke just after 
leaving warranty).  Hate it.  Now you have data you can not get to and 
the OEM is holding it hostage.  The good news is the guys I worked for 
gave you a 30 day window you can "ignore" the out of warranty issue.


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Damon L. Chesser]

Alex Samad wrote:

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:37:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
  

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On 03/18/08 15:44, Mike Bird wrote:


On Tue March 18 2008 12:56:00 Michael S. Peek wrote:
  

But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would
ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why?


We use "nothing" for hardware RAID.  Software RAID is much more
flexible.  With hardware RAID you always need to have a spare
controller on hand, because without a matching replacement
controller you can't retrieve your data after a controller failure.
  

That's what dual redundant controllers are for.  Both transfer data
for the same "device", and if one fails, the other keeps on plugging
away.

Obviously, performance suffers, but at least the machine keeps on
chugging until you can replace the dead controller.

Does Linux have that capability?


I believe the kernel (+userland tools) can handle multipath (multipathd)
  

SNIP
Yes, the kernel does (or is able) to handle multipath, however AFAIK, 
the major SAN,NAS mfg do not support it.  I only know of one former 
customer who tried to use it and it was failing.  All the functionality 
you get from HBAs is not yet working.  If you use multipath, you need to 
use vendor HBAs and vendor applications (aka PowerPath from EMC, the 
only one I have experience with)  AFAIK.  If you know better, please 
inform me.  I did extensive searching on behalf of that customer and I 
only found that at best it is only partly running and buggy.  This 
experience is about 6 months old.


In short, IF multipathd works for your SAN/NAS you're home free, 
however, if you can't get it configured to see your LUNS, nothing you 
can do about it.  So it comes down to which do you have more of?  Time 
or Money?  If time, play with multipathd, and if you have kernel devs on 
the team, perhaps you can fix the issues.  If you have more money, go 
with the vendor solution.


Disclaimer, we are leaving the area of Linux I know the most about and 
are on the outside of my knowledge base.  All I know of this subject is 
from that one customer I could not effectively help other then to say 
use EMC's application, even after extensive research by me.  Even after 
going through all the howto's I could find, his SAN was not properly 
being displayed.


HTH

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Re: Flash presentation embedded on .exe file

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"Simon Jolle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> 2008/3/19, Mirco Piccin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  I apologize for this self-reply, but i solved my own problem
> > (google is the best).
> 
> But anyway, would be interesting to know howto extract SWF from EXE.
> Any hints?
> 
Read the rest of Mirco's mail and use this tool he recommended:
http://www.northcode.com/resources/utilities/exe.html

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SNIP
 
As for myself, I was just answering the question.  BTW, the newest 
game I have "Sins of a Solar Empire" is pretty high spec and works out 
of the box with wine.  I just tested it today.  Works with out flaws.


HTH


UPDATE:

Sins of a Solar Empire does NOT run flawlessly,  it sometimes locks up.  
Currently updated to the latest patch for the game, that might have 
something to do with it.  Very playable, if annoying.


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Re: Using Exim

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On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 09:17 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Wed March 19 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Exim sends emails. It is MTA.
> >
> > And it receives email, too.
> 
> ok, I admit it, I know nothing about setting up mail servers,etc..
> I have my own domain, and I have it hosted. What would I need to run, besides 
> my kmail, to receive and send mail from my Debian PC, hosting my own domain?
> I keep hearing about postfix, sendmail, exim...
> 
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> 

Get a look to Hugh Lawson post Sendmail configuration. It seems that
post adressed to you.

Regards,
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Re: vmware-server with 2.6.24

[Micha]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:41:53 +1100
Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:05:44AM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> > Alex Samad wrote:
> >
> > SNIP
> >> well for 2.6.22 you couls also just do a m-a a-i vmware-server-kernel  
> >> and a apt-get install vmware-XXX
> >>
> >> my problem was with 2.6.24.
> >>
> >> I try and do it with apt if possible
> >
> > If you make a .deb from alien and use dpkg -i, it is as if you are using  
> > apt.  The packagemanager knows it is installed.  Apt is not magical.  It  
> > is a front end to dpkg. 
> true
> 
> >
> > I can't remember how I hit on this method, however I can tell you I  
> > don't like installing *.tar.gz unless I am making a .deb.  Using Alien  
> > --with-scripts makes me a .deb.  So far in Debian Sid and in Ubuntu 7.10  
> > this method has worked for VMworkstation and VMserver and you don't have  
> > to muck with mod assistant. 
> I will have to have a look at it. I guess before 2.6.24 module assist
> wasn't a problem

from installing it some a few days ago for a test, the problem is that it won't
install directly since one of the headers for the kernel driver includes
(IIRC the include name) asm/bitops.h instead of linux/bitops.h so I had to
pause (Ctrl-Z) the compilation in the middle and  fix the file.

If there is a debian package or you know how to get at the module files then
this can probably be avoided.

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> >
> > Damon L. Chesser
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Re: RAID suggestions?

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On 03/19/08 07:02, Alex Samad wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:09:26PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> We just bought 2 Linux clusters with (I think) EVA 5000 SANs.  40
>> total TB of SCSI drives, I think.
> strange I thought eva 3000's and 5000's went eol a while ago

Then they must not have.  But I do know that recently we got one for
our VMS cluster.  Shame on me for assuming...

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Re: Using Exim

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On Wed March 19 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Exim sends emails. It is MTA.
>
> And it receives email, too.

ok, I admit it, I know nothing about setting up mail servers,etc..
I have my own domain, and I have it hosted. What would I need to run, besides 
my kmail, to receive and send mail from my Debian PC, hosting my own domain?
I keep hearing about postfix, sendmail, exim...

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Re: RAID suggestions?

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On 03/19/08 07:03, Alex Samad wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 05:41:20PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/18/08 17:21, Gregory Seidman wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:33:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/18/08 16:03, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 03/18/08 15:41, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>>> [snip]
>> [snip]
> We (well, the company I work for) has much higher bandwidth needs
> than that.  Which is why all new purchases now use SANs.  RAID 10
> and a lot of cache makes a database really scream.  Then it's only
> the FC switch that's the potential bottleneck...
>> Q) have you investigated 10G over FC ?

You mean 10Gb FC switches?  No.

Extra 4Gb ports and HBAs give us the bandwidth we need.

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Re: Using Exim

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On 03/19/08 05:22, Andrius Burlega wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 10:25 +0200, Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have questions concerning usage of Exim4:
>> a) Can Exim4 be set so that it receives mail from mail accounts that 
>> user has configured eg in his/her home directory?
>> b) Can Exim4 deliver that received mail in LAN?
>>
>>
>> Tero Mäntyvaara
>>
>>
> Exim sends emails. It is MTA.

And it receives email, too.

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Re: Flash presentation embedded on .exe file

[Simon Jolle]

2008/3/19, Mirco Piccin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  I apologize for this self-reply, but i solved my own problem (google
>  is the best).

But anyway, would be interesting to know howto extract SWF from EXE. Any hints?

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Re: Sendmail configuration

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Andrius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> how to configure Sendmail to send a messages through ISP SMTP server?
> Thank you.

Try 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'

You can repeat this until you get it right. Also, you can break off
the reconfiguration by typing Control-C.  Then you can start over
again.

For some documentation, see:

/usr/share/doc/exim4-config

and

http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/networking/exim.html


and then edit /etc/exim4/email-addresses

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Re: RAID suggestions?

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On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:37:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 03/18/08 15:44, Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Tue March 18 2008 12:56:00 Michael S. Peek wrote:
> >> But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would
> >> ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why?
> > 
> > We use "nothing" for hardware RAID.  Software RAID is much more
> > flexible.  With hardware RAID you always need to have a spare
> > controller on hand, because without a matching replacement
> > controller you can't retrieve your data after a controller failure.
> 
> That's what dual redundant controllers are for.  Both transfer data
> for the same "device", and if one fails, the other keeps on plugging
> away.
> 
> Obviously, performance suffers, but at least the machine keeps on
> chugging until you can replace the dead controller.
> 
> Does Linux have that capability?
I believe the kernel (+userland tools) can handle multipath (multipathd)
> 
> > The downside of software RAID is that it is slower when rebuilding.
> > However rebuilding is so rare that this is not a significant issue
> > for us.
> > 
> > However if you're doing RAID-5 you're seriously exposed to data loss
> > from double drive failures, and a faster rebuild can help to reduce
> > that window of vulnerability.  We've stopped using RAID-5.  We use
> > RAID-1 (3-way in some applications) to make LVM physical volumes.
> 
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Re: RAID suggestions?

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> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:33:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 03/18/08 16:03, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> >>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>  On 03/18/08 15:41, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>  [snip]
[snip]
> 
> We (well, the company I work for) has much higher bandwidth needs
> than that.  Which is why all new purchases now use SANs.  RAID 10
> and a lot of cache makes a database really scream.  Then it's only
> the FC switch that's the potential bottleneck...
Q) have you investigated 10G over FC ?

> 
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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Alex Samad]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:09:26PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 03/18/08 10:18, Luke S Crawford wrote:
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Or... don't buy sucky h/w in the first place.  If you *really* care
> >> about your data, you spend the extra bucks for quality h/w that has
> >> a competent support staff behind it.  And you pay for an adequate
> >> backup solution!
> > 
> > I think most people on this list are not looking to blow a Porsche (or more)
> > on a netapp or EMC storage appliance.  sure, they're great if you've
> 
> We just bought 2 Linux clusters with (I think) EVA 5000 SANs.  40
> total TB of SCSI drives, I think.
strange I thought eva 3000's and 5000's went eol a while ago
> 
> Obviously, though, by "we", I don't mean the wife & I.  :)
> 
> > got the scratch, and if your data is really valuable, they might even make 
> > economic sense.But they don't make sense for your average debian user, 
> > who could buy several thousand backup  workstations or servers  for
> > the price of one of the aforementioned 'good' raid boxes.  
> > 
> > What we are looking for here is a "good enough" raid solution... something
> 
> For a given definition of "good enough".
> 
> OP is at a Uni, and mentioned using 16-24 drives.  Thus I get the
> impression that he needs capacity, speed & reliability.  An $800
> controller won't add that much on top of the cost of the drives,
> shelves & power supplies.
> 
> > that costs significantly less than completely duplicating the $800 server
> > or workstation in question, (meaning most "good" raid solutions you
> > speak of are right out.)  and that gives a significantly better MBTF 
> > (and/or performance) than just one disk.  
> > 
> > Personally,  I run on a mix of single disks and software mirrors... but if 
> > someone knows of a raid card that (along with a redundant disk) doesn't 
> > double the cost of my server and that significantly increases MBTF or 
> > performance over software mirroring, I'm all ears.  
> 
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Re: TrueCrypt install on Debian v4.3 or v5?

[Alex Samad]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:52:25PM +, Russell Gadd wrote:
> I would like to install Truecrypt on Debian Etch. According to recent  
> posts I have read (see below) there are problems with the new version 5  
> which means I would like to install version 4.3a. which I am sure will  
> do all I need. However Debian is not one of their supported distros.
>
> First problem is I can't find the source to 4.3 on their website. They  
> have a section for downloading previous versions, but the source doesn't  
> seem to be there. There is a Ubuntu deb package which appears to be a  
> compiled version.
>
> Alternatively is anyone using version 5 happily without suffering  
> negative experience as mentioned in some places, e.g. Truecrypt 5.1 -  
> How I loathe thee 
> One user suggests he will return in a year's time. I don't want to wait  
> that long for a usable version.
>
> I found a guide to installing v5 on Etch here
> http://forums.truecrypt.org/viewtopic.php?p=40855#40855
> but haven't found a guide for v4.3 (probably because my search produced  
> too many hits for me to wade through).
I have 4.3 installed, there is a link 
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/506

the truecrypt web site don't have old version of the linux package for
some reason.

There has been a few comments about 5.x, and the fact that you need a
gui interface, seems like they have made 5.1a with a non gui switch but
it also seems like the command line interface is not that good.

I am about to embark on an attempting to get 4.3a to compile against
2.6.24.

The process for installing truecrypt, with the above install is to make
a deb from the truecrypt src. The bin's need to be compiled agains the
linux source tree (not just the headers).

If you want contact me off the mailing list and I will forward the 4.3a
sources to you.  They (truecrypt) don't want people to distribute it.

Alex

>
>
> Any help  / opinions on how I should proceed would be welcome.
>
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Sendmail configuration

[Andrius]

Hi,

how to configure Sendmail to send a messages through ISP SMTP server?
Thank you.

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SWIG, STL, Python: std_common.i:9: Error: Syntax error in input(1).

[Joost Witteveen]

I try the SWIG STL vector example from:

http://www.swig.org/Doc1.3/Library.html#Library_nn15

calling swig seems to work for all languages, except for python (the
one I want):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ar$ swig -python example.i
/usr/share/swig1.3/python/std_common.i:9: Error: Syntax error in input(1).

Does anyone know what I can do to make it work?
A google search only showed
http://blog.isnotworking.com/2006/08/word-of-caution-distutils-swig-stl.html
about setting an undocumented swig_opts=['-c++'] option in setup.py, I
don't know what setup.py file that is (and strace shows swig doesn't
look for setup.py files).


Other languages work OK with the same example.[ih] files:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ar$ swig -tcl example.i
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ar$ swig -perl5 example.i
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ar$ swig -java example.i
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ar$ swig -csharp example.i

Here are the example.i and example.h files, copied from
http://www.swig.org/Doc1.3/Library.html#Library_nn15

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ar$ cat example.i
%module example
%{
#include "example.h"
%}

%include "std_vector.i"
// Instantiate templates used by example
namespace std {
   %template(IntVector) vector;
   %template(DoubleVector) vector;
}

// Include the header file with above prototypes
%include "example.h"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ar$ cat example.h
/* File : example.h */

#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 

double average(std::vector v) {
return std::accumulate(v.begin(),v.end(),0.0)/v.size();
}

std::vector half(const std::vector& v) {
std::vector w(v);
for (unsigned int i=0; i& v) {
std::transform(v.begin(),v.end(),v.begin(),
   std::bind2nd(std::divides(),2.0));
}

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Thanks,
Joost Witteveen


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Re: Flash presentation embedded on .exe file

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi all.

I apologize for this self-reply, but i solved my own problem (google
is the best).

>  I've a flash presentation embedded into an .exe file.
>  To see that i must use my windows machine.

I use this tool :

http://www.northcode.com/resources/utilities/exe.html

that run also with wine.
And works well.

Regards
M


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Flash presentation embedded on .exe file

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi all.
I've a flash presentation embedded into an .exe file.
To see that i must use my windows machine.

What can i do to see also in my linux machine that presentation?
Is there a way to "decompile" that .exe file to obtain the .swf file?

I try also using wine, but with no success.
Any suggest?

Regards
M


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Re: Using Exim

[Andrius Burlega]

On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 10:25 +0200, Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have questions concerning usage of Exim4:
> a) Can Exim4 be set so that it receives mail from mail accounts that 
> user has configured eg in his/her home directory?
> b) Can Exim4 deliver that received mail in LAN?
> 
> 
> Tero Mäntyvaara
> 
> 
Exim sends emails. It is MTA.

Regards,

Andrius

Re: Games on a Redmond virtual machine.

[iena unlike]

This is absolutely not TRUE. Why ?
Listen me: wine can install many games...buthow many games wine can run
correctly ?
example ??? an old game as starcraft don't run in BATTLE.NET and many games
don't run so nice. So, if you tell me that play with wine is good without
sound without graphics without the best things for a videogamers..

IMHO.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 11 March 2008 03:03:36 pm Rich Healey wrote:
>
> > I like to use virtualbox for my VM's, but games from within VM's can be
> > tricky, are the games high spec? something like crossover for linux
> > might be more suitable.
>
> I'm really surprised people are over-engineering this as much as they have
> been... you really don't need a full blown VM for 90% of the software out
> there for Windows.  For that 90%, Wine more than handles it.  For the
> other
> 10%, it's probably too much trouble to be worth maintaining compatability
> given the dying nature of that legacy platform...
>
> --
> Paul Johnson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: RAID suggestions?

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> And that detailed care makes all the difference in the world!  Now limp
> along with a drive failure, add a controller that needs updating and
> perform the update.  Suddenly you find the meta data is "unstable" and
> you can not recover from it.  I have NOT seen data loss from a
> professional, on the ball data center.

I think what Damon wanted to say that with MD you typically don't expect
data loss *even* though you don't pay for expensive service and
maintenance.

Our Raid controller broke just weeks before it went out of warranty and
no, we didn't plan to spend the money on an expensive warranty extension.

Johannes
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Re: Using Exim

[Johann Spies]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:25:35AM +0200, Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:
>
> I have questions concerning usage of Exim4:
> a) Can Exim4 be set so that it receives mail from mail accounts that  
> user has configured eg in his/her home directory?

Exim can receive email from any process or user on your system if
setup correctly.


> b) Can Exim4 deliver that received mail in LAN?

Yes.

Regards
Johann

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Informasietegnologie, Universiteit van Stellenbosch

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  and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor 
  crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the 
  former things are passed away."   
  Revelation 21:4 


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Poor man's encrypted e-mail

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Unfortunately some of my friends can't use encrypted e-mail at work or
for other reasons. On the other hand almost anyone who can read e-mail
can also open encrypted pdf files. So why not send encrypted pdfs instead?

To avoid the manual steps, I wrote a little script that just opens an
editor for writing the email. The text is saved to a file, encrypted to
pdf with password 'bar' and mailed to 'foo'. Obviously you have to
change the mail and password and should have a sufficiently secure way
of communicating the password.

It took me a while to figure out how to convert etch's unicode text to
pdf (a2ps and enscript don't work), so I hope this is useful for
someone. 'uniprint' is part of the 'yudit' package, the rest should be
obvious.

Johannes

- --
#!/bin/bash
nano foo.txt
uniprint -out foo.ps -in foo.txt
ps2pdf foo.ps
pdftk foo.pdf output foo_sec.pdf user_pw bar allow AllFeatures
mutt -a foo_sec.pdf -s "from me" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Having problem with recording voice

[Chris Lale]

Bob McGowan wrote:
[...]
> 
> Are you running KDE as your desktop?  If so, it takes control of the
> /dev/dsp device and handles all sound I/O through a daemon.
> 
> If this is the case, you need to start the KDE control center app
> (usually in the Kmenu, simply named 'Control Center'), the second to
> last item in the left pane is 'Sound and Multimedia', open this and
> select the item 'Sound System'.
> 
> You may choose to turn it off completely (no KDE sound works) but all
> non-KDE apps will now run without issues), or to auto-suspend if idle
> for some time period.
> 

I think that there may be a similar issue with the Gnome desktop.

>From the Etch main menu in the top panel:

Desktop -> Preferences -> Sound

In the Sound Preferences window choose the "Sounds" tab and disable "Enable
software sound mixing (ESD)"

No Gnome system sounds now work, but Gnome will not interfere with sound in 
apps.

-- 
Chris.


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Using Exim

[Tero Mäntyvaara]

Hi

I have questions concerning usage of Exim4:
a) Can Exim4 be set so that it receives mail from mail accounts that 
user has configured eg in his/her home directory?

b) Can Exim4 deliver that received mail in LAN?


Tero Mäntyvaara


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