Re: How to force ifup to wait for dhcp?

[Mike Bird]

On Sun July 20 2008 23:44:55 Andrei Popescu wrote:
> I think I'm missing something obvious, but how can DHCP succeed before
> the AP authentication?

You're right, it can't.  But if there's a way to make
DHCP wait for AP authentication I haven't found it.
Fortunately, DHCP retries a few times.

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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Bruno Voigt]

Florian Kulzer wrote:
> Based on what Kent has posted, can you run iceweasel as root?
>   
Yes. that works.
I am also using KDE, the kde package was in state pn,
so I reinstalled it.
Iceweasel still crashes when run as normal user.

> After it has crashed, grep for "EACCES" in the strace file; that should
> tell you which files it cannot access due to permissions problems.

In my normal user trace I see no EACCES.

WR,
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Re: Changing locale for X session

[Shachar Or]

On Monday 21 July 2008 07:05, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Shachar Or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is because Hebrew is RTL and it is confusing when combined with LTR;
> > not to mention that the console doesn't even print RTL correctly, but in
> > reverse! (where do I file a bug for this?)
>
> I think RTL support on the console would be a kernel issue. Even for
> terminal emulators, I think only mlterm has any RTL.

Anyone knows why this is that the console has yet to gain RTL support?

What about the common terminal emulators?

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Re: How to force ifup to wait for dhcp?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun,20.Jul.08, 23:24:23, Mike Bird wrote:
> How does one force ifup to wait for dhcp?
> 
> The Lenny laptops here start wlan0.  AP authentication
> and DHCP both occur independently in the background.
> Up to half a minute elapses before AP authentication
> has occured, DHCP has retried, and DHCP has succeeded.
> 
> By then, openvpn has gotten very confused by the absence
> of a default route and networking/openvpn/quagga have to
> be restarted manually in order to put the pieces back
> together in the right order.
> 
> Do I really need a "post-up sleep 30" or is there a better
> solution?
 
I think I'm missing something obvious, but how can DHCP succeed before 
the AP authentication?

Regards,
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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Shachar Or]

On Monday 21 July 2008 02:54, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Consider submitting a patch instead.  I suspect few have this problem.
>
>  Yes, because everyone is a developer.

Be positive, please!

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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Shachar Or]

On Monday 21 July 2008 02:51, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 00:04 +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> > On Sunday 20 July 2008 23:55, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > BTW, let me know when Debian finally gets MB 4/5 to work out of the
> > > box as forward/back.  Only been a decade since those became standard on
> > > most consumer grade mice.  :P
> >
> > Where do I file a bug for this? Seriously. I've a zillion buttons in my
> > mouse which I've totally forgot about.
>
> Consider submitting a patch instead.  I suspect few have this problem.

Against which package, please?

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How to force ifup to wait for dhcp?

[Mike Bird]

How does one force ifup to wait for dhcp?

The Lenny laptops here start wlan0.  AP authentication
and DHCP both occur independently in the background.
Up to half a minute elapses before AP authentication
has occured, DHCP has retried, and DHCP has succeeded.

By then, openvpn has gotten very confused by the absence
of a default route and networking/openvpn/quagga have to
be restarted manually in order to put the pieces back
together in the right order.

Do I really need a "post-up sleep 30" or is there a better
solution?

TIA,

--Mike Bird


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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:

Bruno Voigt wrote:

I'm currently not able to start iceweasel

ii  iceweasel   
3.0.1-1 lightweight web browser based on 
Mozilla
ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 
3.0.1-1 Support for GNOME in Iceweasel


Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0:
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel

Segmentation fault

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel -safe
Segmentation fault

System ist debian/unstable uptodate.

On other debian/unstable systems it still works.

  


I just updated a box yesterday and am seeing the same problem. I 
haven't had time to debug it yet, but one thing I noticed is that when 
I run ldd against /usr/bin/iceweasel, it dies also. This leads me to 
believe the problem is deeper than a mere iceweasel problem.


I wasn't able to do as much testing today as I would have preferred. But 
after an "aptitude dist-upgrade" followed by an "aptitude install kde", 
iceweasel ...


works as normal user in Gnome
does not work as normal user in KDE
does not work as sudo in KDE when KDE started from KDM (sudo can't 
access display 0:0)

does work as sudo in KDE when started from startx

I hope to be able to track down the problem further late Tuesday; in the 
meanwhile, I've started the user in KDE via startx and showed her how to 
start iceweasel using sudo.


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Re: OT: Audiophile grade music server using several flavors of Debian

[Jochen Schulz]

Nick Lidakis:
> 
> I had been researching way to assemble an audiophile grade music server  
> since early last year for my dedicated listening room. There were  
> several ready to go retail (Sonos, Slim Devices, McIntosh, etc.)  

I don't know whether it suits audiophile needs, but this is my setup:

- Roku Soundbridge hooked via coax to my hifi system and to my LAN

- mt-daapd a.k.a Firefly running on my home server, serving FLAC, Vorbis
  and MP3 files. Everything but MP3 will be streamed as WAV to the
  Soundbridge because it cannot decode it itself.

Unfortunately, the Soundbridge always resamples everything it plays to
20Bit / 48kHz. But I cannot claim to hear any difference because of
this.

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my ip was previously banned at http://forums.debian.net/

[stabbyjones]

I have a static ip from my new isp and apparently it's been banned
from http://forums.debian.net/

Is there any way to get it unbanned? because it's banned i can't find
any admin to contact and i can't browse posts. it also can't be
changed without paying.

alternatively a way to cut debian forums out of google search results
would stop me getting my hopes up.


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Re: Changing locale for X session

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Shachar Or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is because Hebrew is RTL and it is confusing when combined with LTR;
> not to mention that the console doesn't even print RTL correctly, but in
> reverse! (where do I file a bug for this?)

I think RTL support on the console would be a kernel issue. Even for terminal
emulators, I think only mlterm has any RTL.


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Re: [FIXED] Re: Loss of Flash Player capabilities in IW3.0

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Nick Lidakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kelly Clowers wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
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>>> On 07/20/08 14:01, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>>> [snip]

 Personally, I prefer Adobe's Flash 10 beta. It seems to have smoother
 playback and some report lower cpu usage.
>>>
>>> How stable is it?
>>
>>
>> I have been running it for at least a month with fairly high usage
>> (sites that use
>> flash for UI, youtube, nico nico douga, other video sites), and I
>> haven't had any
>> crashes, freezes or other problems with it. This is with SeaMonkey 2.0
>> alpha
>> (Gecko 1.9) and PulseAudio on Sid. Of course, your results may vary ;-)
>
> I just installed it on Sid's Iceweasel. But still no luck watching (you also
> need user agent plugin for IE spoofing) any online show at ABC's site:
> http://abc.go.com/player/
>
> Still complains about needing Flash 8!

Oh yeah, I encountered that on one site. I think they must be testing
the first digit or something. It wasn't a site I normally used, so I had
forgotten about it.


Cheers,
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Re: apt-get/aptitude bustage with gnucash

[Daniel Burrows]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 09:36:15PM -, Cameron Hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> I have just attempted a dist-upgrade with bost apt-get and aptitude,
> and both of them want to remove gnucash from my system (sid). This seems
> to be busted.
> 
> At the moment there is a new gnucash-common (2.2.4-2) but no new gnucash
> package to match. Normally that's ok and apt will not upgrade
> gnucash-common, but for some reason, this time it wants to upgrade
> gnucash-common and remove gnucash to resolve the conflict.

  The basic problem is that you have a brain and apt* don't.  Sometimes
it's necessary to remove some packages in order to get an upgrade to go
through for one reason or another.  When you run a dist-upgrade or
full-upgrade, apt will aggressively try to upgrade as many packages as
possible, even if it has to remove a few in order to do so.  This is
where the brain comes in: you know the informal, contextual fact that
gnucash-common makes no sense without gnucash, but apt doesn't have
access to this information.  So it figures that it can get another
upgrade to go through by throwing away gnucash.

  There are weights against generally removing packages, but because apt
lacks a brain they sometimes fail to prevent it from being stupid (or
they just cause it to be stupid in a more conservative way).  I don't
know for sure what your situation is -- but I know that aptitude tries
hard to avoid doing nothing on a full-upgrade, so if the gnucash-common
upgrade is the only thing available it'll pull out all the stops trying
to find a way to include it.

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Nate Bargmann]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Jul 20 14:20 -0500]:
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> On 07/20/08 13:01, Nick Lidakis wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> Most of you will yawn, and think, "there he goes again", but this
> >> why I don't like display managers.
> > 
> > Can you elaborate? With a display manager one cannot kill X to make new
> > changes, like the aforementioned libraries, to take effect?
> 
> According to Carl's experience, no.  Maybe he did something wrong?

I go into a root console and issue:

# /etc/init.d/kdm stop
# /etc/init.d/kdm start; exit

whenever X libraries, drivers, etc. are updated.  Ctl-e from KDM does
not do a complete kill and restart as near as I can tell.

- Nate >>

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Nate Bargmann]

* Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Jul 20 13:02 -0500]:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 09:59:22 -0700, Bill Wohler wrote:
> > Nope.
> > 
> > $ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> > (II) LoadModule: "radeon"
> 
> [...]
> 
> > (==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
> > (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
> > (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled
> > 
> > It sounds like others are OK too. The good news is that once you get
> > your X drivers straightened out, your entire UI experience will
> > probably improve dramatically.
> 
> OK, our mini-survey so far:
> 
> nvidia driver using nvidia's RenderAccel: fine (Hugo, Ron)
> radeon driver with XAA: fine (Bill)

I'm not seeing the IW problems and I'm using the Xorg radeon driver as
well:

$ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) LoadModule: "radeon"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so
(II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 4.3.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
$ grep 'XAA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
(II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
$

I'm also using IW3 on my T23 Thinkpad using the savage driver with no
speed issues.  I believe it also uses XAA.

- Nate >>

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Re: apt-get/aptitude bustage with gnucash

[Cameron Hutchison]

"Eugene V. Lyubimkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Cameron Hutchison wrote:
>> 
>> At the moment there is a new gnucash-common (2.2.4-2) but no new gnucash
>> package to match. Normally that's ok and apt will not upgrade
>> gnucash-common, but for some reason, this time it wants to upgrade
>> gnucash-common and remove gnucash to resolve the conflict.
>> 
>I can say wrong, but dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade) can remove the packages. 
>Try 'aptitude safe-upgrade'.

I am aware that dist-upgrade can remove packages, but I thought this is
only when other packages replace them.

In this case, there is no replacement, only a conflict. Usually I see
this state as broken with aptitude giving options to work around the
breakage - often holding back or removing packages.

There was no conflict given for gnucash[-common] today and
aptitude/apt-get was just going to remove gnucash without prompting me
for a resolution. This seems wrong, and was the point of my original
posting.


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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Paul Johnson]

On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 16:54 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Interestingly enough, about once a decade is about how often I come
> > across a mouse with a fourth and fifth button.  It's happened once, and
> > that was about a decade ago.
> 
>  Well, there's not accounting for the technological backwoods of the PRO.

Without us, odds are the i386-based machine you're sitting at wouldn't
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Re: VirtualBox WinXP host, Linux Partition guest?

[Steve Lamb]

Wackojacko wrote:

Is this a typo in the e-mail or the command?


Was me fat fingering it.  Sure enough, put the h in and it worked. 
Thanks much for a second application of the clue-by-four.  ;)



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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:

Interestingly enough, about once a decade is about how often I come
across a mouse with a fourth and fifth button.  It's happened once, and
that was about a decade ago.


Well, there's not accounting for the technological backwoods of the PRO.


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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:

Consider submitting a patch instead.  I suspect few have this problem.


Yes, because everyone is a developer.


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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Paul Johnson]

On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 00:04 +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> On Sunday 20 July 2008 23:55, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > BTW, let me know when Debian finally gets MB 4/5 to work out of the
> > box as forward/back.  Only been a decade since those became standard on
> > most consumer grade mice.  :P
> 
> Where do I file a bug for this? Seriously. I've a zillion buttons in my mouse 
> which I've totally forgot about.

Consider submitting a patch instead.  I suspect few have this problem.

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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Paul Johnson]

On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 13:55 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

> BTW, let me know when Debian finally gets MB 4/5 to work out of the
> box as forward/back.  Only been a decade since those became standard on
> most consumer grade mice.  :P

Interestingly enough, about once a decade is about how often I come
across a mouse with a fourth and fifth button.  It's happened once, and
that was about a decade ago.

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Re: Seg fault

[Anders Lagerås]

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:15:27 -0400
Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Anders Lagerås wrote:
> | On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:23:17 -0400
> | Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> |> Anders Lagerås wrote:
> |>Bug report on it's way
> |>
> |>What's the easiest way to downgrade? I have never had to do
> |> this.
> | Using aptitude is the easiest way.
> | If you select the libgtk row and press enter will the description
> | show up. At the bottom of the page are the "Versions of libgtk"
> | listed. Select the row of the version you want and use + on the
> | numeric keypad to select it and then g to install.
> | = to put packets on hold to prevent them from being updated can
> | also be useful.
> |
> 
> ~  Doesn't work here. The ONLY version shown is the current one.
ok
that is probably since you have only repositories for one version
in /etc/apt/sources.list
or maybe by your /etc/apt/preferences settings

To be able to downgrade to get around problems like this do I have
both stable testing and unstable repositories in sources.list

You can also download from here:
http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
and use dpkg -i to install.

But if you don't have a sources.list with the corresponding
repositories can you get problem with dependencies.

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Re: Seg fault

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:15:27PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> Anders Lagerås wrote:
> | On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:23:17 -0400
> | Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> |> Anders Lagerås wrote:
> |>Bug report on it's way
> |>
> |>What's the easiest way to downgrade? I have never had to do this.
> | Using aptitude is the easiest way.
> | If you select the libgtk row and press enter will the description show
> | up. At the bottom of the page are the "Versions of libgtk" listed.
> | Select the row of the version you want and use + on the numeric keypad
> | to select it and then g to install.
> | = to put packets on hold to prevent them from being updated can also be
> | useful.
> |
> 
> ~  Doesn't work here. The ONLY version shown is the current one.

enable the lenny repos.

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Re: Seg fault

[Frank McCormick]

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:15:27 -0400
Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> Anders Lagerås wrote:
> | On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:23:17 -0400
> | Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> |> Anders Lagerås wrote:
> |>Bug report on it's way
> |>
> |>What's the easiest way to downgrade? I have never had to do this.
> | Using aptitude is the easiest way.
> | If you select the libgtk row and press enter will the description show
> | up. At the bottom of the page are the "Versions of libgtk" listed.
> | Select the row of the version you want and use + on the numeric keypad
> | to select it and then g to install.
> | = to put packets on hold to prevent them from being updated can also be
> | useful.
> |
> 
> ~  Doesn't work here. The ONLY version shown is the current one.

 Got around it by dl'ing from lenny repository and installing using
dpkg. Seems to work - writing this using Sylpheed.

cheers

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Re: Seg fault

[Frank McCormick]

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Anders Lagerås wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:23:17 -0400
| Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
|> Anders Lagerås wrote:
|>Bug report on it's way
|>
|>What's the easiest way to downgrade? I have never had to do this.
| Using aptitude is the easiest way.
| If you select the libgtk row and press enter will the description show
| up. At the bottom of the page are the "Versions of libgtk" listed.
| Select the row of the version you want and use + on the numeric keypad
| to select it and then g to install.
| = to put packets on hold to prevent them from being updated can also be
| useful.
|

~  Doesn't work here. The ONLY version shown is the current one.

Cheers

Frank
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Re: [FIXED] Re: Loss of Flash Player capabilities in IW3.0

[Nick Lidakis]

Kelly Clowers wrote:

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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On 07/20/08 14:01, Kelly Clowers wrote:
[snip]

Personally, I prefer Adobe's Flash 10 beta. It seems to have smoother
playback and some report lower cpu usage.

How stable is it?



I have been running it for at least a month with fairly high usage
(sites that use
flash for UI, youtube, nico nico douga, other video sites), and I
haven't had any
crashes, freezes or other problems with it. This is with SeaMonkey 2.0 alpha
(Gecko 1.9) and PulseAudio on Sid. Of course, your results may vary ;-)


I just installed it on Sid's Iceweasel. But still no luck watching (you 
also need user agent plugin for IE spoofing) any online show at ABC's 
site: http://abc.go.com/player/


Still complains about needing Flash 8!


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Re: Automating the configuration of alsa on known HW

[Shachar Or]

On Thursday 17 July 2008 06:28, Chris Bannister wrote:

> What are you trying to achieve?

I am installing on multiple, identical machines, completely non-interactively, 
using preseed and a script. Many things are already taken care of -- this 
wasn't an easy task.

Anyway! I am trying to achieve the automatic/scripted/non-interactive 
setup/configuration of ALSA in etch.

> alsaconf is a shell script -- so obviously the answer lies with:
>
>   less /usr/sbin/alsaconf

I'll dig there if I must...

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Re: apt-get/aptitude bustage with gnucash

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 09:36:15PM -, Cameron Hutchison wrote:
> I have just attempted a dist-upgrade with bost apt-get and aptitude,
> and both of them want to remove gnucash from my system (sid). This seems
> to be busted.
> 
> At the moment there is a new gnucash-common (2.2.4-2) but no new gnucash
> package to match. Normally that's ok and apt will not upgrade
> gnucash-common, but for some reason, this time it wants to upgrade
> gnucash-common and remove gnucash to resolve the conflict.
> 
> gnucash-common 2.4.4-2 has the following deps:
> Replaces: gnucash (<< 1.8.8-5)
> Recommends: gnucash (>= 2.2.4-2)
> Conflicts: gnucash (<< 2.2.4-2)
> 
> So, this conflicts with gnucash 2.2.4-1 (currently installed) but does
> not replace it. So why would apt remove gnucash? I thought apt was only
> meant to remove a package itself when another replaces it.
> 
> Is this a bug in apt?
> 
> BTW. I'm not looking for any solutions here - i'll just wait until
> tomorrow or the next day and the problem will go away. 

I think so. It looks okay to me here. I get no conflict upgrading
gnucash as of 3:00 pm pacific us time.

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Re: Changing locale for X session

[Thilo Six]

Shachar Or wrote the following on 20.07.2008 21:02

> Hi!
> 
> Using etch. Using kdm.
> 
> I've found that I can put stuff in ~/.xsession. I put 'export 
> LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8' there. That made the xserver start and quit, putting me 
> back in kdm.

in kde you can use a shell script like (chmod 700):
<
$ cat ~/.kde/env/locale.sh
#!/bin/bash
export LANG="de_DE.UTF-8"
export LANGUAGE="de_DE:de"
->

gnome pendant:
<
$ cat ~/.gnomerc
export LANG="de_DE.UTF-8"
export LANGUAGE="de_DE:de"
#export LANGUAGE="en_GB:en"
->

i have asked because the xserver in lenny will ease all of this:
http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.3+14/changelog

<
  * Add support for $HOME/.xsessionrc. Closes: #411639
 This file, if present, will get sourced during the start of your X
 session. This allows you to set session-wide environment variables
 easily for things like locale information. Patch adapted from one by
 Yves-Alexis Perez. Thanks also to Holger Levsen and Osamu Aoki for
 advice.
 + Adds 40x11-common_xsessionrc to /etc/X11/Xsession.d
 + Document this in Xsession.5 manpage
 + Add a NEWS.Debian entry about it
 + Modifies /etc/X11/Xsession to declare the location of ~/.xsessionrc.
   Custom versions of Xsession (like gdm's) will need an update
->



> Good week!

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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Arthur A]

Brian Marshall wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:55:13 -0700
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


BTW, let me know when Debian finally gets MB 4/5 to work out of
the box as forward/back.  Only been a decade since those became
standard on most consumer grade mice.  :P



I recently did a lenny install and those buttons were working correctly
for me. At least in Iceweasel, which recognizes them. You could always
map them to alt+left/right with imwheel I guess.



I've not noticed any problems, but none of my mice are for human consumption. 
Perhaps consumer grade mice operate differently.



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Re: Automating the configuration of alsa on known HW

[Shachar Or]

On Tuesday 15 July 2008 20:12, Amit Uttamchandani wrote:
> When running alsaconf as root, it adds your soundcard(s)
> to /etc/modprobe.d/sound and /etc/modprobe.conf

alsaconf doesn't create the
 /etc/modprobe.conf
in this machine.

Copying the
 /etc/modprobe.d/sound
doesn't seem to make audio work. The alsaconf script must be doing additional 
changes to things. What are those changes?

HW here is VirtualBox, with it's intel AC'97 card.

If there was a way to run alsaconf non-interactively, I would consider. I've 
heard of a command called 'expect'...

Knowing the exact files that alsaconf changes would be best.

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Re: Seg fault

[Anders Lagerås]

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:23:17 -0400
Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anders Lagerås wrote:
>Bug report on it's way
> 
>What's the easiest way to downgrade? I have never had to do this.
Using aptitude is the easiest way.
If you select the libgtk row and press enter will the description show
up. At the bottom of the page are the "Versions of libgtk" listed.
Select the row of the version you want and use + on the numeric keypad
to select it and then g to install.
= to put packets on hold to prevent them from being updated can also be
useful.

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Re: apt-get/aptitude bustage with gnucash

[Eugene V. Lyubimkin]

Cameron Hutchison wrote:
> I have just attempted a dist-upgrade with bost apt-get and aptitude,
> and both of them want to remove gnucash from my system (sid). This seems
> to be busted.
> 
> At the moment there is a new gnucash-common (2.2.4-2) but no new gnucash
> package to match. Normally that's ok and apt will not upgrade
> gnucash-common, but for some reason, this time it wants to upgrade
> gnucash-common and remove gnucash to resolve the conflict.
> 
> gnucash-common 2.4.4-2 has the following deps:
> Replaces: gnucash (<< 1.8.8-5)
> Recommends: gnucash (>= 2.2.4-2)
> Conflicts: gnucash (<< 2.2.4-2)
> 
> So, this conflicts with gnucash 2.2.4-1 (currently installed) but does
> not replace it. So why would apt remove gnucash? I thought apt was only
> meant to remove a package itself when another replaces it.
> 
> Is this a bug in apt?
> 
> BTW. I'm not looking for any solutions here - i'll just wait until
> tomorrow or the next day and the problem will go away. I've just never
> seem apt try to remove something I want installed without there being a
> replacement.
> 
> 
I can say wrong, but dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade) can remove the packages. 
Try 'aptitude
safe-upgrade'.

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apt-get/aptitude bustage with gnucash

[Cameron Hutchison]

I have just attempted a dist-upgrade with bost apt-get and aptitude,
and both of them want to remove gnucash from my system (sid). This seems
to be busted.

At the moment there is a new gnucash-common (2.2.4-2) but no new gnucash
package to match. Normally that's ok and apt will not upgrade
gnucash-common, but for some reason, this time it wants to upgrade
gnucash-common and remove gnucash to resolve the conflict.

gnucash-common 2.4.4-2 has the following deps:
Replaces: gnucash (<< 1.8.8-5)
Recommends: gnucash (>= 2.2.4-2)
Conflicts: gnucash (<< 2.2.4-2)

So, this conflicts with gnucash 2.2.4-1 (currently installed) but does
not replace it. So why would apt remove gnucash? I thought apt was only
meant to remove a package itself when another replaces it.

Is this a bug in apt?

BTW. I'm not looking for any solutions here - i'll just wait until
tomorrow or the next day and the problem will go away. I've just never
seem apt try to remove something I want installed without there being a
replacement.


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Re: Seg fault

[Frank]

Anders Lagerås wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:20:20 +0200
Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

After the latest upgrades to Sid. I am getting a segmentation fault 
running (or trying to run) my mail reader Sylpheed.


Where to start looking ??

Use reportbug to report the bug.

Then downgrade libgkt2.0 to 2.12.10-2 that will solve the problem for
now.




  Bug report on it's way

  What's the easiest way to downgrade? I have never had to do this.


Cheers


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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Brian Marshall]

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:55:13 -0700
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> BTW, let me know when Debian finally gets MB 4/5 to work out of
> the box as forward/back.  Only been a decade since those became
> standard on most consumer grade mice.  :P
> 

I recently did a lenny install and those buttons were working correctly
for me. At least in Iceweasel, which recognizes them. You could always
map them to alt+left/right with imwheel I guess.

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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 20:27:12 +0200, Bruno Voigt wrote:
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:22:38 -0500, Kent West wrote:
> >   
> >> Bruno Voigt wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I'm currently not able to start iceweasel
> >>>
> >>> ii  iceweasel   3.0.1-1 
> >>> lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
> >>> ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 3.0.1-1 
> >>> Support for GNOME in Iceweasel

[...]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ldconfig -pNX | grep local
> libsvn_ra_local-1.so.1 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libsvn_ra_local-1.so.1
> libspandsp.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libspandsp.so.0
> libspandsp.so (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libspandsp.so
> libiax.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libiax.so.0
> libiax.so (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libiax.so

OK, you have non-Debian versions of svn, and asterisk libraries. I would
think that this should not matter for iceweasel.

[...]

> I do not know if it is relevant,
> I'm using a custom kernel configuration.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/$ uname -a
> Linux wks.voigt.tv 2.6.24.4-wks.voigt.tv #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 26
> 23:57:30 CEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
> 
> Iceweasel 3.0~rc2 worked on it until some unstable update about 14-20
> days ago.

Based on what Kent has posted, can you run iceweasel as root?

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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 15:11:20 -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Kent West wrote:
>> Kent West wrote:
>>> Florian Kulzer wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:22:38 -0500, Kent West wrote:
  
> Bruno Voigt wrote:
>   
>> I'm currently not able to start iceweasel
>>
>> ii  iceweasel   3.0.1-1 
>> lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
>> ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 3.0.1-1 
>> Support for GNOME in Iceweasel
>>
>> Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0:
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel
>> Segmentation fault

[...]

> I just updated a box yesterday and am seeing the same problem. I  
> haven't  had time to debug it yet, but one thing I noticed is 
> that when I run ldd  against /usr/bin/iceweasel, it dies also. 
> This leads me to believe the  problem is deeper than a mere 
> iceweasel problem.

[...]

>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo ldconfig -pNX | grep local
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /sbin/ldconfig -pNX | grep local
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
>>
>> No output.

That looks OK; I was suspecting that you might have an outdated or
otherwise broken non-Debian library in /use/local/lib.

> New clue.
>
> I just discovered that "sudo iceweasel" works.

Maybe this will clear things up, then: Strace iceweasel again as your
normal user, like this:

strace -f iceweasel 2>iceweasel.strace

After it has crashed, grep for "EACCES" in the strace file; that should
tell you which files it cannot access due to permissions problems.

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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Shachar Or]

On Sunday 20 July 2008 23:55, Steve Lamb wrote:
> BTW, let me know when Debian finally gets MB 4/5 to work out of the
> box as forward/back.  Only been a decade since those became standard on
> most consumer grade mice.  :P

Where do I file a bug for this? Seriously. I've a zillion buttons in my mouse 
which I've totally forgot about.

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Re: My first message... more of a mad mans rant...

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> So I guess that's why Ubuntu folks are working on Ubuntu instead of
> doing the Right Thing by working on Debian Desktop[1], eh?

Yeah, because it has nothing to do with wanting to maintain a 6
month release schedule.  Let's see, the first release of Ubuntu was
4.10.  So since 4.10 to 8.04 is, 8 releases in the time Debian has
done... one?

Besides, this only shows your jealousy.  The whole point of FOSS as
a whole and the DSFG specifically is derivative works.  If you don't
like derivative works you'll be more at home in a non-FOSS environment.
 In short they are doing the right thing.  So sorry you're offended by that.

BTW, let me know when Debian finally gets MB 4/5 to work out of the
box as forward/back.  Only been a decade since those became standard on
most consumer grade mice.  :P



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Re: Seg fault

[Frank]

Damon L. Chesser wrote:

On Sunday 20 July 2008 04:19:09 pm Frank wrote:

Frank wrote:

After the latest upgrades to Sid. I am getting a segmentation fault
running (or trying to run) my mail reader Sylpheed.

Where to start looking ??

   I have since discovered I can run Sylpheed as root.

Cheers


Frank


Frank,

I can't tell if you still have the issue or not, but if you do, open a term 
and type "sylpheed" or "claws-mail" if you are running claws.  What does that 
exit message say?


if it only shows "segmentation fault", then issue strace sylpheed then look 
through the last part of strace to see what is killing slypheed.


HTH



strace output:


open("/usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursors/xterm", O_RDONLY) = 8
fstat64(8, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=15776, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 
0) = 0xb6d39000
read(8, 
"Xcur\20\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\3\0\0\0\2\0\375\377\30\0\0\0004\0\0\0\2\0\375\377 
"..., 4096) = 4096

_llseek(8, 0, [0], SEEK_SET)= 0
read(8, 
"Xcur\20\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\3\0\0\0\2\0\375\377\30\0\0\0004\0\0\0\2\0\375\377 
"..., 4096) = 4096

close(8)= 0
munmap(0xb6d39000, 4096)= 0
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++


Cheers

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Re: Glacial ClearWire Download

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 03:24:19PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> I'm having to download a lot of data via an aptitude dist-upgrade, and  
> the download process is glacial, pulling down 6Kbs or 90Kbs, dial-up to  
> just-barely-better-than dial-up speeds. I'm using ClearWire, but saw  
> even slower speeds on Xanadoo (also a wireless ISP). A Windows computer  
> in another room (shared through a Linksys wireless/switch ran really  
> slow with the Xanadoo; I'm unsure about the ClearWire. Is my problem  
> likely to with the ISPs, or with something internal to the local network?
>
> (I can't say if these slow speeds are normal for ClearWire; this isn't  
> my house/network/computer; I do know they switched from Xanadoo to  
> Clearwire because they borrowed a ClearWire modem for a week and it was  
> SO much better than Xanadoo speeds.)
>
> Are there some tests/diagnostics to determine if the problem is local  
> (malware spewing out traffic from the Windows box, congesting the local  
> net; flakey router; misconfigured NIC on this Debian box; etc?)?

well, how fast are file transfers from the other machines on the lan?
might be a clue.

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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Kent West]

Frank wrote:

Kent West wrote:


New clue.

I just discovered that "sudo iceweasel" works.

  My problems sounds like yours...except I can run Iceweasel. It's 
Sylpheed I can't run...except as root.




I'm not seeing my messages getting through to debian-user, so I'm CC:ing 
Frank on this.


I've also discovered it seems to be related to KDE; I can run Iceweasel 
as a normal user from within Icewm, but not from within KDE.


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Re: Seg fault

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Sunday 20 July 2008 04:19:09 pm Frank wrote:
> Frank wrote:
> > After the latest upgrades to Sid. I am getting a segmentation fault
> > running (or trying to run) my mail reader Sylpheed.
> >
> > Where to start looking ??
>
>I have since discovered I can run Sylpheed as root.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Frank

Frank,

I can't tell if you still have the issue or not, but if you do, open a term 
and type "sylpheed" or "claws-mail" if you are running claws.  What does that 
exit message say?

if it only shows "segmentation fault", then issue strace sylpheed then look 
through the last part of strace to see what is killing slypheed.

HTH

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Re: Seg fault

[Andrew Sackville-West]

please reply to the list instead of to me directly.

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:22:24PM -0400, Frank wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:10:08PM -0400, Frank wrote:
>>> After the latest upgrades to Sid. I am getting a segmentation fault   
>>> running (or trying to run) my mail reader Sylpheed.
>>>
>>> Where to start looking ??
>>
>> have you logged out and back in yet? restarted X yet? maybe even
>> restarted the machine yet? 
>
>
>   Yup. Machine has been restarted - but as I just noted, Sylpheed runs
> as root, just not as a user. 

hmmm... permissions issue that causes a segfault? that's ugly. you
might look at the last few lines of an strace to see what it's trying
to access that cuases the segfault. 

that's all I got.

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Re: Seg fault

[Kent West]

Frank wrote:

Frank wrote:
After the latest upgrades to Sid. I am getting a segmentation fault 
running (or trying to run) my mail reader Sylpheed.


Where to start looking ??




  I have since discovered I can run Sylpheed as root.





FYI: I'm seeing similar problems with Iceweasel. I can run it as root, 
or I can run it from within Icewm, but I can not run it as normal user 
from within KDE.


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Glacial ClearWire Download

[Kent West]

I'm having to download a lot of data via an aptitude dist-upgrade, and 
the download process is glacial, pulling down 6Kbs or 90Kbs, dial-up to 
just-barely-better-than dial-up speeds. I'm using ClearWire, but saw 
even slower speeds on Xanadoo (also a wireless ISP). A Windows computer 
in another room (shared through a Linksys wireless/switch ran really 
slow with the Xanadoo; I'm unsure about the ClearWire. Is my problem 
likely to with the ISPs, or with something internal to the local network?


(I can't say if these slow speeds are normal for ClearWire; this isn't 
my house/network/computer; I do know they switched from Xanadoo to 
Clearwire because they borrowed a ClearWire modem for a week and it was 
SO much better than Xanadoo speeds.)


Are there some tests/diagnostics to determine if the problem is local 
(malware spewing out traffic from the Windows box, congesting the local 
net; flakey router; misconfigured NIC on this Debian box; etc?)?


Thanks!

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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:

Bruno Voigt wrote:
 

I'm currently not able to start iceweasel

ii  iceweasel   
3.0.1-1 lightweight web browser based 
on Mozilla
ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 
3.0.1-1 Support for GNOME in Iceweasel



New clue.

I just discovered that "sudo iceweasel" works.



New, new clue.

I just discovered that if I shut down KDE and fire up icewm instead, 
iceweasel works.


My problem originally started when I did an "aptitude upgrade".

Last night and today I've been doing an "aptitude dist-upgrade", which 
removed the meta-package "kde", and who knows what all else related to KDE.


So now I'm in the process of doing an "aptitude install kde" to restore 
280 MB worth of KDE-related packages; hopefully once that's finished, 
iceweasel will work once again from within KDE.


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Re: Seg fault

[Frank]

Frank wrote:
After the latest upgrades to Sid. I am getting a segmentation fault 
running (or trying to run) my mail reader Sylpheed.


Where to start looking ??




  I have since discovered I can run Sylpheed as root.

Cheers


Frank


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Re: [FIXED] Re: Loss of Flash Player capabilities in IW3.0

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 07/20/08 14:01, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> Personally, I prefer Adobe's Flash 10 beta. It seems to have smoother
>> playback and some report lower cpu usage.
>
> How stable is it?


I have been running it for at least a month with fairly high usage
(sites that use
flash for UI, youtube, nico nico douga, other video sites), and I
haven't had any
crashes, freezes or other problems with it. This is with SeaMonkey 2.0 alpha
(Gecko 1.9) and PulseAudio on Sid. Of course, your results may vary ;-)


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Re: Seg fault

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:10:08PM -0400, Frank wrote:
> After the latest upgrades to Sid. I am getting a segmentation fault  
> running (or trying to run) my mail reader Sylpheed.
>
> Where to start looking ??

have you logged out and back in yet? restarted X yet? maybe even
restarted the machine yet? 

that's where I'd start. 

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Re: OT: Audiophile grade music server using several flavors of Debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sat,19.Jul.08, 15:37:00, Nick Lidakis wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> -
>> Mark it [OT] and post away!
>
> Thanks...
>
> Just thought someone could benefit from this application, or I could  
> receive some constructive criticism on some of choices I had made.

I would only like to give my setup as example.

> I had been researching way to assemble an audiophile grade music server  
> since early last year for my dedicated listening room. There were  
> several ready to go retail (Sonos, Slim Devices, McIntosh, etc.)  
> solutions that were quickly dismissed because of price and/or their  
> closed hardware/software nature. The server had to fit several criteria:
>
> 1. open source, preferably Debian based (apt makes software easy to  
> install and it's my desktop OS)
> 2. relatively low cost
> 3. audiophile grade (FLAC output via USB without any re-sampling and/or  
> conversion of the audio stream)
> 4. power efficiency  (preferably below 10 watts)
> 5. absolute silence ( NO fans or disk drives in the listening room)
> 6. ability to control music and play lists from the listening position  
> with relative ease.
> 7. stability

[...]

I have an old box with standard hardware: PIII-500MHz (with a huge 
fanless sink) on a i440BX chipset and 256MB RAM [1]. When the HDD died I 
built a custom Live-Debian image for it, as it won't boot from USB or 
disks larger than 32GB (and the BIOS update won't apply). It also has a 
sound card with both coaxial and optical digital out (based on CMI-8738) 
connecting to my receiver and a fanless nVidia GForce card. As the PSU 
is also pretty quiet the noise level is ok as long as the CD doesn't 
spin [2].

It's main purpose was to be able to watch movies on my TV, but I use it 
mostly to listen to my favorite radio station [3] or listen to music in 
whatever format available (but preferably flac or ogg) by accessing a 
samba share from my laptop or even directly from an external USB drive.

Right now I am experimenting with pulseaudio to provide a decent output 
for my laptop. I have to say it works very well, I was able to watch a 
movie on the laptop with the sound output over a wireless g connection 
without any problems. Too bad moc doesn't know pulseaudio :(

[1] Actually it's a 512MB stick, but the board is limited to 256MB per 
slot

[2] I'm planning on acquiring a PCI-to-USB2 adapter and then use the CD 
only for booting

[3] The reception is no very good where I live, over the internet it's 
much better

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:

Kent West wrote:

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:22:38 -0500, Kent West wrote:
 

Bruno Voigt wrote:
  

I'm currently not able to start iceweasel

ii  iceweasel   
3.0.1-1 lightweight web browser based 
on Mozilla
ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 
3.0.1-1 Support for GNOME in Iceweasel


Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel
Segmentation fault

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel -safe
Segmentation fault

System ist debian/unstable uptodate.

On other debian/unstable systems it still works.

I just updated a box yesterday and am seeing the same problem. I 
haven't  had time to debug it yet, but one thing I noticed is that 
when I run ldd  against /usr/bin/iceweasel, it dies also. This 
leads me to believe the  problem is deeper than a mere iceweasel 
problem.



If you run

ldconfig -pNX | grep local

, what do you see? Does that crash, too?
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ldconfig -pNX | grep local
bash: ldconfig: command not found

I'm currently doing an "aptitude dist-upgrade", hoping that'll fix 
the problems, but it's a slow process. Once that's finished, if 
ldconfig is not installed at that point, I'll see if I can't get it 
installed.




[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo ldconfig -pNX | grep local
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /sbin/ldconfig -pNX | grep local
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

No output.


New clue.

I just discovered that "sudo iceweasel" works.

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Seg fault

[Frank]

After the latest upgrades to Sid. I am getting a segmentation fault 
running (or trying to run) my mail reader Sylpheed.


Where to start looking ??

Cheers

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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:22:38 -0500, Kent West wrote:
 

Bruno Voigt wrote:
   

I'm currently not able to start iceweasel

ii  iceweasel   
3.0.1-1 lightweight web browser based 
on Mozilla
ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 
3.0.1-1 Support for GNOME in Iceweasel


Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel
Segmentation fault

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel -safe
Segmentation fault

System ist debian/unstable uptodate.

On other debian/unstable systems it still works.

I just updated a box yesterday and am seeing the same problem. I 
haven't  had time to debug it yet, but one thing I noticed is that 
when I run ldd  against /usr/bin/iceweasel, it dies also. This leads 
me to believe the  problem is deeper than a mere iceweasel problem.



If you run

ldconfig -pNX | grep local

, what do you see? Does that crash, too?
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ldconfig -pNX | grep local
bash: ldconfig: command not found

I'm currently doing an "aptitude dist-upgrade", hoping that'll fix the 
problems, but it's a slow process. Once that's finished, if ldconfig 
is not installed at that point, I'll see if I can't get it installed.




[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo ldconfig -pNX | grep local
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /sbin/ldconfig -pNX | grep local
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

No output.

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Re: Switch-off problem

[Daniel Burrows]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:46:16AM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> Recently my computer devolped a new problem: it sometimes does not
> switch itself off when I do shutdown -h now. It hangs somewhere
> during the shutdown procedure, and has to be switched off by means
> of the mains switch at the back. Fortunately the filesystem is
> ext3, so at the next boot it starts again without problems.
> 
> I /think/ the problem may be related to nfs. I recently converted
> my wife's computer to Linux. A usb disk connected to my wife's
> computer contains media files which we both can use. This common
> usb disk used to be shared by means of samba/smbfs, but now it is
> exported by means of nfs.
> 
> Now my theory is that the switch-off problem occurs after the
> following events:
> 
> 1 - I mount the remote usb drive.
> 2 - my wife switches off her computer.
> 3 - I try to umount the remote usb drive -- this cannot be done.
> 
> I suppose the shutdown program also tries to umount nfs mounts,
> but fails, and then instead of skipping this step, just hangs.
> Does this make sense? If so, is there a way to solve this problem?

  You could try switching to a soft mount.  This can cause silent data
loss when a server goes down, but I don't think that should be an issue
if this is a read-only mount.  Just add "soft" to the mount options.  (I
haven't tried soft-mounting for this particular case, so I don't know
for sure that it will help)

  Daniel


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Re: Changing locale for X session

[Bob Cox]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 19:33:30 +0300, Shachar Or ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 

> On Sunday 20 July 2008 18:55, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >=20
> > > How do I set the locale for a user to something other than the one set =
> >
> > by=20
> >
> > > debconf in the locales package?
> > >=20
> > > This should be the user's default in X sessions.
> > >=20
> > > I was told that gdm has a feature for this but I'm using kdm.
> > >=20
> > > Cheers!
> >
> > export LC_ALL=3D in ~/.Xinitrc ?
> What is the "3D" for?

I think the message was created in printed/quotable format but then
posted as plain text, hence the "=3D" and "=20".

Regarding kdm/gdm/xdm, I use none of these and really do not see the
point, (other than avoiding having to type "startx").

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Re: [FIXED] Re: Loss of Flash Player capabilities in IW3.0

[Ron Johnson]

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> 
> Personally, I prefer Adobe's Flash 10 beta. It seems to have smoother
> playback and some report lower cpu usage.

How stable is it?

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

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On 07/20/08 13:01, Nick Lidakis wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
>>
>> Most of you will yawn, and think, "there he goes again", but this
>> why I don't like display managers.
> 
> Can you elaborate? With a display manager one cannot kill X to make new
> changes, like the aforementioned libraries, to take effect?

According to Carl's experience, no.  Maybe he did something wrong?

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

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On 07/20/08 12:44, Florian Kulzer wrote:
[snip]
> 
> OK, our mini-survey so far:
> 
> nvidia driver using nvidia's RenderAccel: fine (Hugo, Ron)

Actually, I do *not* have RenderAccel enabled.

$ grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" is not used

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Re: [FIXED] Re: Loss of Flash Player capabilities in IW3.0

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:01:17PM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Sackville-West
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > well, you still aren't running the debian version, but instead running
> > the adobe installed version. There's nothing inherently wrong with
> > that except that your package manager doesn't have control of the
> > situation anymore, so you may run into trouble later.
> >
> > I would recommend that you try completely removing the adobe version
> > and reinstalling the debian version. It is likely, I think, that
> > trying to run two versions simultaneously was the problem.
> >
> > In my opinion, it is preferable to run the debian packages instead of
> > the adobe install.
> 
> Personally, I prefer Adobe's Flash 10 beta. It seems to have smoother
> playback and some report lower cpu usage.

good point...

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Re: Changing locale for X session

[Shachar Or]

Hi!

Using etch. Using kdm.

I've found that I can put stuff in ~/.xsession. I put 'export 
LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8' there. That made the xserver start and quit, putting me 
back in kdm.

I assume that this is because X didn't start any process and it decides to die 
thus.

I assume that this is because of kdm's behaviour. kdm, when it finds 
the .xsession in the user's home, launches it and doesn't launch the script 
that it would normally launch, the one that starts the KDE session.

I didn't want to mess around too much so I worked at this at another angle; I 
set the system default to he_IL.UTF-8, which is what I want for my users, and 
then I did
 echo 'export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8' >> /root/.profile
so that root won't have Hebrew in it's shell. This is because Hebrew is RTL 
and it is confusing when combined with LTR; not to mention that the console 
doesn't even print RTL correctly, but in reverse! (where do I file a bug for 
this?)

Good week!
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Re: [FIXED] Re: Loss of Flash Player capabilities in IW3.0

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Sackville-West
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> well, you still aren't running the debian version, but instead running
> the adobe installed version. There's nothing inherently wrong with
> that except that your package manager doesn't have control of the
> situation anymore, so you may run into trouble later.
>
> I would recommend that you try completely removing the adobe version
> and reinstalling the debian version. It is likely, I think, that
> trying to run two versions simultaneously was the problem.
>
> In my opinion, it is preferable to run the debian packages instead of
> the adobe install.

Personally, I prefer Adobe's Flash 10 beta. It seems to have smoother
playback and some report lower cpu usage.


Cheers,
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Re: [not about debian] Could someone give me a clue about making a window manager?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 03:25:44PM +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> On Sunday 20 July 2008 14:32, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote:
> > Any suggestions about which one? DWM? I do not know.
> 
> You may want to go with those that do not depend on extra libraries to keep 
> things simple; not the ones that are part of a desktop environment for the 
> same reason.

I'd second that. keep it simple. If you can grok haskell, then look at
xmonad. It's a basic tiling window manager in just a few hundred lines
of code. Otherwise, look at the other small ones: awesome, as
mentioned; maybe wmii, they recently redid the whole thing, so it's
likely that the code is fairly clean, others? 

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Re: [FIXED] Re: Loss of Flash Player capabilities in IW3.0

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:30:31AM +0100, andy wrote:
> andy wrote:
>> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>>> andy wrote:
 Greetings

 The following is one of a number of sites (including, for example,  
 parts of the NASA site) where I am told that my version of Flash  
 Player is outdated: "You need the latest Flash Player plugin to 
 view the multimedia content of this site."
 
 http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/environment/global-warming/gw-impacts-interactive.html
  
...

>>>
>>> WFM: flashplayer-mozilla 9.0.124.0-0.0 + Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux  
>>> i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008062910 Iceweasel/3.0 
>>> (Debian-3.0~rc2-2)
...
>>>
>> I have the latest version of Lenny's flashplayer-mozilla installed  
>> and, following Nuno's suggestion, closed IW and ran dpkg-reconfigure  
>> iceweasel. This still hasn't worked however.
>>
>> I wonder if this conflicts with having gone to the flash site and  
>> downloaded the flash-player 9 installer, and installed it using dpkg?
...
>>
> I needed to uninstall the earlier version of flashplayer, which I have  
> now done, and then ran the flashplayer-installer from the Adobe website.  
> Iceweasel is currently running Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124, and I no longer  
> get the error message when going to the NG website link.
>
> All's well, I think.
>

well, you still aren't running the debian version, but instead running
the adobe installed version. There's nothing inherently wrong with
that except that your package manager doesn't have control of the
situation anymore, so you may run into trouble later. 

I would recommend that you try completely removing the adobe version
and reinstalling the debian version. It is likely, I think, that
trying to run two versions simultaneously was the problem. 

In my opinion, it is preferable to run the debian packages instead of
the adobe install. 

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Re: Contributing to the Debian website - easier than some think

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 09:39:52AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:23:08AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 03:23:55AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
 [breaking the thread on purpose because this is totally unrelated]

 On Thu,17.Jul.08, 15:28:09, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 08:27:25PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> You should contact debian-www about that. I think I recall a 
>> discussion about the children-distros page being outdated, but 
>> I guess manpower is missing again. I you would be willing to 
>> supply patches against the CVS source I'm sure they will be at 
>> least looked over. Or maybe that page 
> Yeah, but you have to download the **WHOLE** website so you can submit
> patches. :-( Makes you think twice about helping. Although, hopefully,
> if you mention it on the debian-www mailing list someone will do the
> necessary without being an [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I wonder where you got the info that you need to download the 
 whole website, it should be corrected.
>>> It was in a post on the debian-www mailing list in a thread talking
>>> about whether two  spaces after a full stop was acceptable English by
>>> M.J Ray, I think.
>>
>> so long as they paint the bike shed red, I don't care how many spaces
>> they use...
>>
>
> is that bike-shed or shed-red?

maybe it should be both? though really it would be barn-red, I
think. That particular color that all barns seem to be painted for no
particular reason I know.

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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Bruno Voigt]

Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:22:38 -0500, Kent West wrote:
>   
>> Bruno Voigt wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm currently not able to start iceweasel
>>>
>>> ii  iceweasel   3.0.1-1 
>>> lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
>>> ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 3.0.1-1 
>>> Support for GNOME in Iceweasel
>>>
>>> Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0:
>>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel
>>> Segmentation fault
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel -safe
>>> Segmentation fault
>>>
>>> System ist debian/unstable uptodate.
>>>
>>> On other debian/unstable systems it still works.
>>>   
>>>   
>> I just updated a box yesterday and am seeing the same problem. I haven't  
>> had time to debug it yet, but one thing I noticed is that when I run ldd  
>> against /usr/bin/iceweasel, it dies also. This leads me to believe the  
>> problem is deeper than a mere iceweasel problem.
>> 
>
> If you run
>
> ldconfig -pNX | grep local
>
> , what do you see? Does that crash, too?
>   

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ldconfig -pNX | grep local
libsvn_ra_local-1.so.1 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libsvn_ra_local-1.so.1
libspandsp.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libspandsp.so.0
libspandsp.so (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libspandsp.so
libiax.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libiax.so.0
libiax.so (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libiax.so
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

> Also try
>
> strace -f iceweasel --safe-mode
>
> and post the last 10-20 lines of the output. (You have to install the
> package "strace" if it is not on your system already.)
>
>   
open("/usr/lib/iceweasel/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT
(No such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1
ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/lib/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
read(3,
"\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\220\34\0\0004\0\0\0\264"...,
512) = 512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=49644, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0xb7ce2000
mmap2(NULL, 52776, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0)
= 0xb7cd5000
mmap2(0xb7ce1000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0xb) = 0xb7ce1000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/iceweasel/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file
or directory)
open("/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT
(No such file or directory)
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/lib/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY)= 3
read(3,
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"...,
512) = 512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=149328, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 151680, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3,
0) = 0xb7caf000
mmap2(0xb7cd3000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x23) = 0xb7cd3000
close(3)= 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0xb7cae000
set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 -> 6, base_addr:0xb7cae8e0,
limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0,
limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}) = 0
mprotect(0xb7e33000, 4096, PROT_READ)   = 0
mprotect(0xb7f1c000, 12288, PROT_READ)  = 0
munmap(0xb7f2b000, 158926)  = 0
set_tid_address(0xb7cae928) = 19982
set_robust_list(0xb7cae930, 0xc)= 0
futex(0xbfe2aa10, FUTEX_WAKE_PRIVATE, 1) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGRTMIN, {0xb7ce7280, [], SA_SIGINFO}, NULL, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGRT_1, {0xb7ce7680, [], SA_RESTART|SA_SIGINFO}, NULL, 8) = 0
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [RTMIN RT_1], NULL, 8) = 0
getrlimit(RLIMIT_STACK, {rlim_cur=8192*1024, rlim_max=RLIM_INFINITY}) = 0
uname({sys="Linux", node="wks.voigt.tv", ...}) = 0
lstat64("/usr", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
lstat64("/usr/lib", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=233472, ...}) = 0
lstat64("/usr/lib/iceweasel", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
futex(0xb7f2a070, FUTEX_WAKE_PRIVATE, 2147483647) = 0
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

I do not know if it is relevant,
I'm using a custom kernel configuration.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/$ uname -a
Linux wks.voigt.tv 2.6.24.4-wks.voigt.tv #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 26
23:57:30 CEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

Iceweasel 3.0~rc2 worked on it until some unstable update about 14-20
days ago.

WR,
Bruno


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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Kent West]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:22:38 -0500, Kent West wrote:
  

Bruno Voigt wrote:


I'm currently not able to start iceweasel

ii  iceweasel   3.0.1-1 
lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 3.0.1-1 
Support for GNOME in Iceweasel


Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel
Segmentation fault

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel -safe
Segmentation fault

System ist debian/unstable uptodate.

On other debian/unstable systems it still works.
  
  
I just updated a box yesterday and am seeing the same problem. I haven't  
had time to debug it yet, but one thing I noticed is that when I run ldd  
against /usr/bin/iceweasel, it dies also. This leads me to believe the  
problem is deeper than a mere iceweasel problem.



If you run

ldconfig -pNX | grep local

, what do you see? Does that crash, too?
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ldconfig -pNX | grep local
bash: ldconfig: command not found

I'm currently doing an "aptitude dist-upgrade", hoping that'll fix the 
problems, but it's a slow process. Once that's finished, if ldconfig is 
not installed at that point, I'll see if I can't get it installed.



Also try

strace -f iceweasel --safe-mode

and post the last 10-20 lines of the output. (You have to install the
package "strace" if it is not on your system already.)

  


open("/usr/lib/iceweasel/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT 
(No such file or directory)
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or 
directory)

open("/lib/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
read(3, 
"\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\220\34\0\0004\0\0\0\264"..., 
512) = 512

fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=49644, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 52776, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) 
= 0xb7cc7000
mmap2(0xb7cd3000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, 
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0xb) = 0xb7cd3000

close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/iceweasel/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
open("/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No 
such file or directory)
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or 
directory)

open("/lib/i686/cmov/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, 
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"..., 
512) = 512

fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=149328, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 151680, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 
0) = 0xb7ca1000
mmap2(0xb7cc5000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, 
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x23) = 0xb7cc5000

close(3)= 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 
0) = 0xb7ca
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 
0) = 0xb7c9f000
set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 -> 6, base_addr:0xb7c9f6c0, 
limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, 
limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}) = 0

mprotect(0xb7e42000, 4096, PROT_READ)   = 0
mprotect(0xb7f2c000, 12288, PROT_READ)  = 0
munmap(0xb7f3b000, 76295)   = 0
set_tid_address(0xb7c9f708) = 27003
set_robust_list(0xb7c9f710, 0xc)= 0
futex(0xbff75c50, FUTEX_WAKE_PRIVATE, 1) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not 
implemented)

rt_sigaction(SIGRTMIN, {0xb7cd82e0, [], SA_SIGINFO}, NULL, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGRT_1, {0xb7cd8720, [], SA_RESTART|SA_SIGINFO}, NULL, 8) = 0
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [RTMIN RT_1], NULL, 8) = 0
getrlimit(RLIMIT_STACK, {rlim_cur=8192*1024, rlim_max=RLIM_INFINITY}) = 0
uname({sys="Linux", node="enjae", ...}) = 0
lstat64("/usr", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
lstat64("/usr/lib", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=53248, ...}) = 0
lstat64("/usr/lib/iceweasel", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
futex(0xb7f3a070, FUTEX_WAKE, 2147483647) = 0
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++


I'm guessing this means some libgcc piece is broken/missing. Once my 
dist-upgrade is finished, I may try tracking down that piece of the puzzle.


Thanks!


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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Nick Lidakis]

Ron Johnson wrote:



Most of you will yawn, and think, "there he goes again", but this
why I don't like display managers.


Can you elaborate? With a display manager one cannot kill X to make new 
changes, like the aforementioned libraries, to take effect?



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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Florian Kulzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK, our mini-survey so far:
>
> nvidia driver using nvidia's RenderAccel: fine (Hugo, Ron)
> radeon driver with XAA: fine (Bill)
>
> My experience with Intel 82Q963/Q965 and the Xorg intel driver:
>
> with EXA: not as bad as what Jim describes, but slow enough to seriously
>  deteriorate the browsing experience
>
> with XAA: generally quite fast, only web sites with excessive use of
>  background images slow it down noticeably, but not unbearably
>
> Jim, if you have an intel card and use EXA (the default these days) then
> a switch to XAA will improve your browsing experience significantly.

I  have found EXA to work very well with the Radeon drivers (r300/r400).


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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 09:59:22 -0700, Bill Wohler wrote:
> Jim McCloskey writes:
> 
> > An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
> > Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
> > just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
> > the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:
> >
> >   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html
> >
> > is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
> > screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
> > window. It's really unusable.
> >
> > Is anyone else seeing this?
> 
> Nope.
> 
> $ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> (II) LoadModule: "radeon"

[...]

> (==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
> (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
> (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled
> 
> It sounds like others are OK too. The good news is that once you get
> your X drivers straightened out, your entire UI experience will
> probably improve dramatically.

OK, our mini-survey so far:

nvidia driver using nvidia's RenderAccel: fine (Hugo, Ron)
radeon driver with XAA: fine (Bill)

My experience with Intel 82Q963/Q965 and the Xorg intel driver:

with EXA: not as bad as what Jim describes, but slow enough to seriously
  deteriorate the browsing experience

with XAA: generally quite fast, only web sites with excessive use of
  background images slow it down noticeably, but not unbearably

Jim, if you have an intel card and use EXA (the default these days) then
a switch to XAA will improve your browsing experience significantly.

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Jim McCloskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
> Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
> just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
> the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:
>
>  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html
>
> is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
> screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
> window. It's really unusable.
>
> Is anyone else seeing this?

I have not seen this.


> Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
> fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.

If Mozilla is fast then the problem is in your FF installation, not in Gecko.


> This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
> called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.
>
> Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.
>
> Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.
>
> The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
> mozilla.org.

Have you tried cleaning your profile or tried a new profile? And as some others
said, restarting can sometimes fix issues with old libraries being
used, although
theoretically it shouldn't be needed.


Cheers,
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Re: Changing locale for X session

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Shachar Or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 20 July 2008 18:55, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
>> export LC_ALL=3D in ~/.Xinitrc ?
> When I open up a terminal as that user and type 'echo $L' and press  i
> can see that there's no such variable.
>
> I've tried to set the $LANG variable via this file and it didn't change it
> also.
>
> I think that this isn't the correct file.


I do not know where that "3D" came from, but it isn't valid.

Try setting LC_ALL= and LANG= in ~/.xsession

Make sure the locale is correct, e.g. mine would be:
export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
export LANG=en_US.UTF-8

Capitalization and punctuation of the locale is important.

Generally:
language_LOCATION.ENCODING


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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

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On 07/20/08 11:44, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:24:33AM -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote:
>> An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
>> Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
>> just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
>> the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:
>>
>>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html
>>
>> is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
>> screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
>> window. It's really unusable.
>>
>> Is anyone else seeing this?
>>
>> Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
>> fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.
>>
>> This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
>> called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.
>>
>> Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.
>>
>> Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.
>>
>> The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
>> mozilla.org.
> 
> In my case, a reboot was required to load the new versions of about a dozen
> libraries.  (Killing and restarting X did not do it.)  Once I did that,
> weird rendering problems in Gecko went away.  It can't hurt.

Most of you will yawn, and think, "there he goes again", but this
why I don't like display managers.

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Re: Changing locale for X session

[Thilo Six]

Shachar Or wrote the following on 20.07.2008 17:47

> Hello!
> 
> How do I set the locale for a user to something other than the one set by 
> debconf in the locales package?
> 
> This should be the user's default in X sessions.
> 
> I was told that gdm has a feature for this but I'm using kdm.
> 
> Cheers!

kde or gnome?
etch or lenny?

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Re: Contributing to the Debian website - easier than some think

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun,20.Jul.08, 11:23:08, Chris Bannister wrote:
 
> > I wonder where you got the info that you need to download the whole 
> > website, it should be corrected.
> 
> It was in a post on the debian-www mailing list in a thread talking
> about whether two  spaces after a full stop was acceptable English by
> M.J Ray, I think.
 
Ah, I understand, let me explain:

The Debian website has a system for tracking old translations. Each 
translated page has a special header which tells what English CVS 
version it refers to.

Now, consider somebody is making cosmetic changes to the English version 
(ex. changing " to ), this would mark all translations outdated! In 
order to prevent this a perl script was written (smartchange.pl) which 
also takes care about the translations. Of course, in order for it to 
work it must have access to all translations of the page to be changed, 
hence the requirement to have a full checkout.

I hope I was able to explain it simply enough, as I'm not sure I 
understand it very well ;) (see my .sig).

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[Andrei Popescu]

On Sat,19.Jul.08, 18:43:32, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 07/19/08 17:26, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Sat,19.Jul.08, 12:35:37, Paul Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
> >> Decrease the frequency at which you check your mail?
> > 
> > I just did (from 5 to 15 min). Let's see if this helps.
> 
> If that helps, then you didn't cure the problem, only mask it.  I
> say that because I've been doing 5 minute fetchmail pulls for 4
> years, and it works like a charm.
 
In the last reject there was this link:

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=14257

My getmailrc also didn't use the full email as username (which is also 
mentioned there).  I'll wait for about a week and then put gmail back on 
5 min., because I retrieve mail using a small self-backed script which 
ensures I don't have two instances at a time.

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:24:33AM -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote:
> 
> An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
> Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
> just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
> the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:
> 
>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html
> 
> is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
> screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
> window. It's really unusable.
> 
> Is anyone else seeing this?
> 
> Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
> fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.
> 
> This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
> called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.
> 
> Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.
> 
> Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.
> 
> The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
> mozilla.org.

In my case, a reboot was required to load the new versions of about a dozen
libraries.  (Killing and restarting X did not do it.)  Once I did that,
weird rendering problems in Gecko went away.  It can't hurt.
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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Bill Wohler]

Jim McCloskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
> Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
> just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
> the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:
>
>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html
>
> is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
> screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
> window. It's really unusable.
>
> Is anyone else seeing this?

Nope.

$ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) LoadModule: "radeon"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so
(II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 4.3.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
$ grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
(II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
(II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled

It sounds like others are OK too. The good news is that once you get
your X drivers straightened out, your entire UI experience will
probably improve dramatically.

Florian, thanks for the grep examples. I didn't know about the -B and
-A flags, and they are bound to be handy!

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Re: Changing locale for X session

[Shachar Or]

On Sunday 20 July 2008 18:55, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> export LC_ALL=3D in ~/.Xinitrc ?
When I open up a terminal as that user and type 'echo $L' and press  i 
can see that there's no such variable.

I've tried to set the $LANG variable via this file and it didn't change it 
also.

I think that this isn't the correct file.
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Re: Changing locale for X session

[Shachar Or]

On Sunday 20 July 2008 18:55, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> > Hello!
> >=20
> > How do I set the locale for a user to something other than the one set =
>
> by=20
>
> > debconf in the locales package?
> >=20
> > This should be the user's default in X sessions.
> >=20
> > I was told that gdm has a feature for this but I'm using kdm.
> >=20
> > Cheers!
>
> export LC_ALL=3D in ~/.Xinitrc ?
What is the "3D" for?

>
> --=20
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Changing locale for X session

[Shachar Or]

Hello!

How do I set the locale for a user to something other than the one set by 
debconf in the locales package?

This should be the user's default in X sessions.

I was told that gdm has a feature for this but I'm using kdm.

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Ron Johnson]

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On 07/20/08 09:46, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> I suspect that this might have something to do with your video driver
>> and the acceleration method that is used. Please post the output of
>> these two commands:
>>
>> grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>>
>> grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>>
> 
> Very good point:
> 
> /home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:43:32SDB5# grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/'
> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
> (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
> compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
> Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
> /home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:43:38SDB5# grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA'
> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RenderAccel" "True"
> (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
> /home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:44:17SDB5#
> 
> I see no performance problems with latest Sid IW.

I also see good video performance.

$ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
(II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) LoadModule: "kbd"


$ grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" is not used

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Re: Installing nVidia drivers [WAS: Using apt to install only one package]

[Ron Johnson]

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On 07/20/08 06:13, andy wrote:
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> 
> OK I attempted to update my nVidia driver this weekend as I said I would
> earlier this last week.

Good for you!

> First, I downloaded the latest nVidia installer for my card, which is a
> nVidia GeForce 8500 GT. The latest version is
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.05-pkg1.run. I then made it executable (chmod +x).

That works, but is not necessary.  Just do:
# sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.05-pkg1.run

> Second, I rebooted into single user mode, loading the 2.6.25-2-686
> kernel and then ran the installer: ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.05-pkg1.run

You don't need to be in single-user mode.  Unless, I guess, you boot
into [xgk]dm.

> Third, after going through the various agreements, etc. and ignoring the
> mismatch between compilers, the installation through back an error
> message to the effect that the kernel I was running was a Xen kernel and
> that the NVIDIA driver does not currently work on Xen kernels.
> 
> After that, there was no way forward except for me to reboot into the
> current kernel which is 2.6.24-1-686.
> 
> I didn't know that I had obtained a Xen kernel from the automatic
> updates, nor do I understand why this would be a problem. Although,

Ah, bummer.  Maybe Xen is now built into the Debian kernel image?

Try:
$ ls -aFl /boot/config*

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 00:24:33 -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote:

An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html

is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
window. It's really unusable.

Is anyone else seeing this?

Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.

This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.

Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.

Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.

The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
mozilla.org.


I suspect that this might have something to do with your video driver
and the acceleration method that is used. Please post the output of
these two commands:

grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log



Very good point:

/home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:43:32SDB5# grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' 
/var/log/Xorg.0.log

(II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
(II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) LoadModule: "evdev"
/home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:43:38SDB5# grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' 
/var/log/Xorg.0.log

(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RenderAccel" "True"
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
/home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:44:17SDB5#

I see no performance problems with latest Sid IW.

Hugo


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Re: Contributing to the Debian website - easier than some think

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:23:08AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 03:23:55AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:

[breaking the thread on purpose because this is totally unrelated]

On Thu,17.Jul.08, 15:28:09, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 08:27:25PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
You should contact debian-www about that. I think I recall a discussion 
about the children-distros page being outdated, but I guess manpower is 
missing again. I you would be willing to supply patches against the CVS 
source I'm sure they will be at least looked over. Or maybe that page 

Yeah, but you have to download the **WHOLE** website so you can submit
patches. :-( Makes you think twice about helping. Although, hopefully,
if you mention it on the debian-www mailing list someone will do the
necessary without being an [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
I wonder where you got the info that you need to download the whole 
website, it should be corrected.

It was in a post on the debian-www mailing list in a thread talking
about whether two  spaces after a full stop was acceptable English by
M.J Ray, I think.


so long as they paint the bike shed red, I don't care how many spaces
they use...



is that bike-shed or shed-red?

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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:22:38 -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Bruno Voigt wrote:
>> I'm currently not able to start iceweasel
>>
>> ii  iceweasel   3.0.1-1 
>> lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
>> ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 3.0.1-1 
>> Support for GNOME in Iceweasel
>>
>> Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0:
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel
>> Segmentation fault
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel -safe
>> Segmentation fault
>>
>> System ist debian/unstable uptodate.
>>
>> On other debian/unstable systems it still works.
>>   
>
> I just updated a box yesterday and am seeing the same problem. I haven't  
> had time to debug it yet, but one thing I noticed is that when I run ldd  
> against /usr/bin/iceweasel, it dies also. This leads me to believe the  
> problem is deeper than a mere iceweasel problem.

If you run

ldconfig -pNX | grep local

, what do you see? Does that crash, too?

Also try

strace -f iceweasel --safe-mode

and post the last 10-20 lines of the output. (You have to install the
package "strace" if it is not on your system already.)

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no cd/dvd devices detected after kernel change

[Joe Hickey]

Hello,

Using 2.6.24-1-686, my two IDE-connected cd/dvd drives are detected as
/dev/sr0 and /dev/sr1, symlinked to cdrom0 and cdrom1, and work
perfectly. When I boot 2.6.25-2-686-bigmem, no entries for these
devices appear in /dev.

With the working kernel, the relevant part of dmesg is:

scsi7 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
usb-storage: device found at 2
usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
ata5.00: ATAPI: HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GSA-H55L, 1.05, max UDMA/66
ata5.01: ATAPI: HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR-H30N, 1.00, max UDMA/33
usb 7-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
ata5.00: configured for UDMA/66
usb 7-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
ata5.01: configured for UDMA/33
BAR5:00:02 01:7F 02:22 03:CA 04:00 05:00 06:00 07:00 08:00 09:00 0A:00
0B:00 0C:07 0D:00 0E:00 0F:00 

With the bigmem kernel, what looks like the corresponding part of
dmesg:

[0.812202] PCI: Setting latency timer of device :03:00.0 to 64
[0.812281] scsi5 : ahci
[0.812455] scsi6 : ahci
[0.812583] scsi7 : ahci
[0.812645] ata5: SATA max UDMA/133 abar [EMAIL PROTECTED] port
0xfeaffd00 irq 16
[0.812705] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar [EMAIL PROTECTED] port
0xfeaffd80 irq 16
[0.812765] ata7: DUMMY
[0.874732] usb 7-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[0.875046] scsi8 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[0.875218] usb 7-1: New USB device found, idVendor=04b4,
idProduct=6830

There are no error messages referring to the DVD drives elsewhere in
dmesg.

There's a slight difference in the output of lsmod | grep ide between
the two kernels. For the working kernel:

ide_cd 36224  0 
cdrom  32512  2 ide_cd,sr_mod
ide_core  108292  2 ide_cd,generic

For the bigmem kernel that doesn't detect the drives:

ide_cd_mod 33632  0 
cdrom  32640  2 sr_mod,ide_cd_mod
ide_pci_generic 4996  0 [permanent]
ide_core  101624  2 ide_cd_mod,ide_pci_generic

I have ide-core, ide-cd, cdrom and sr_mod listed in /etc/modules to
try to ensure relevant stuff gets loaded at boot.

I'd appreciate any advice about next steps for tracking down the
problem.

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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Bruno Voigt]

Nyizsnyik Ferenc wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:40:32 +0200
> Bruno Voigt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I'm currently not able to start iceweasel
>>
>> ii  iceweasel   
>> 3.0.1-1 lightweight web browser based on
>> Mozilla ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 
>> 3.0.1-1 Support for GNOME in Iceweasel
>>
>> Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0:
>>  
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel
>> Segmentation fault
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel -safe
>> Segmentation fault
>>
>> System ist debian/unstable uptodate.
>>
>> On other debian/unstable systems it still works.
>>
>> Could it be caused by other packages/plugin?
>>
>> How to debug the cause?
>>
>> TIA + WR,
>> Bruno
>> 
>
> The first thing to try is mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.old.
>   

Sure, I tried it with a fresh user account,
so I believe it must be some global cause.

WR,
Bruno



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Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault

[Kent West]

Bruno Voigt wrote:

I'm currently not able to start iceweasel

ii  iceweasel   
3.0.1-1 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
ii  iceweasel-gnome-support 
3.0.1-1 Support for GNOME in Iceweasel


Same result as with 3.0~rc2-2 0:
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel

Segmentation fault

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ iceweasel -safe
Segmentation fault

System ist debian/unstable uptodate.

On other debian/unstable systems it still works.

  


I just updated a box yesterday and am seeing the same problem. I haven't 
had time to debug it yet, but one thing I noticed is that when I run ldd 
against /usr/bin/iceweasel, it dies also. This leads me to believe the 
problem is deeper than a mere iceweasel problem.



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Re: [Mostly Solved] Re: Blurry fonts in printed invoices

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 23:51:32 -0400, Celejar wrote:

[...]

> I've been printing from IW using the virtual CUPS-PDF printer.  I just
> tried printing to file (direct to PDF, not to ps), and I now get the
> same pdffonts output that you do, nice font names but all 'no's in the
> sub column.

Ah, so that is the difference: The cups-pdf virtual printer probably
uses ghostscript directly, including its "ugly" font naming scheme,
while the print-to-file function of iceweasel seems to work via
libcairo, resulting in nicer names but wasteful embedding  of whole
character sets.

> OTOH, I find that the file sizes are 10 - 20 percent
> *smaller* for pages printed directly to file from IW!  I have tried
> three different pages: a blog post, a sales invoice and an AP news
> article.

Hmm, maybe cups-pdf works like more a printer driver, embedding
character subsets for each page separately, which could lead to a
certain amount of wasteful overlap. I would then expect to see a
different name for the same font on different pages, though.

Another possible explanation is that libcairo uses a better compression
algorithm for the embedded font data, or that the size of the "full"
character set of a given font varies with the encoding.

> Your test page, OTOH, is about 4 to 5 times *larger* when
> printed directly to file.  Perhaps the reason is that your page uses
> relatively few characters per font, while more typical pages tend to
> use much larger subsets, which limits the savings realized by only
> including subsets of the fonts in the file?

Yes, indeed, that might also explain why the print-to-file function does
not bother to figure out the minimum necessary character subset to
embed: It does not matter all that much unless somebody puts up a font
test page with many different fonts and only a few characters for each
individual font.

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Re: Signing local repositories

[Steve Kemp]

On Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 20:59:18 +0300, Shachar Or wrote:

> I don't know how to sign the repository. I've never used signatures, gnupg or 
> any of these terms. Can anyone give me a run-down of how to do this?

  Create a gpg-key, call it somethign like "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".  Then
 in your reprepro configuration file add:

 Sign-With: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Now rebuild your repository and that'll do it.  If you like take a 
 look at this tool too:


http://www.steve.org.uk/Software/rapt/
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Re: Installing nVidia drivers [WAS: Using apt to install only one package]

[Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:13:50PM +0100, andy wrote:

> On the GRUB menu, several kernels are now listed - the current one and  
> then the 2.6.25-x kernel. Because the /boot/grub/menu.lst will  
> automatically load after about 5 seconds, how would I go about *safely*  
> removing the other kernel options since these don't work for me?

You edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file. See [1] for more info.

HTH

Oli

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/GrubConfiguration


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Re: Help filing bug report; can't use automated tool, does this report look OK?

[Arthur A]

Celejar wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:57:52 +0300
Arthur A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

...

Briefly, what happens is the 'X' randomly crashes without warning, and it is 
irrecoverable. Any open work is lost. A reboot is required. There is an error in 
the xorg.log about rng expecting one number, getting another, then fatal server 
error.


Here is the bug report I want to file, you comments are appreciated.

Regards,
AA
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To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: xserver-xorg-video-intel causes X to crash irrecoverably and without 
warning (fatal server error: lockup)

Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel
Version: 2:2.3.2-2
Severity: important

Seemingly at random, and infrequently, X will crash and I will often lose all 
open work. After a number of attempts to automatically restart I will be given a 
message saying that X has crashed and cannot be restarted. Switching to a 
different terminal killing all Xsessions and GDM and attempting to restart them 
does not work. A reboot is seemingly required.


Adding the option "NoDRI" to xorg.conf appears to prevent this from happening? 
This is not a good option for me as suspend/resume does not work with this 
option enabled.


It occurs infrequently, perhaps once every 30 or 40 hours of use, and I have 
been unable to find any pattern. I believe iceweasel has been open for all 
crashes, though this has occured over an upgrade to version 3.0, and has also 
persisted over recent updates to xorg and the intel driver.


The xorg.log seems to contain a relevant and hopefully useful error at the end 
of the log.


I set the severity to important because it currently causes a loss of data.

Please advise if I can provide more information. Reportbug was not working for 
me and I have filed this manually.


Below you will find my xorg.log, xorg.conf, kernel version, libc version. I am 
running Lenny.


Regards,
AA

# 
# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
# 


...

[This is where the reports related to the bug begin.]


Error in I830WaitLpRing(), timeout for 2 seconds
pgetbl_ctl: 0x3ffc0001 getbl_err: 0x0003
ipeir: 0x iphdr: 0x7d06
LP ring tail: 0xe490 head: 0xe49c len: 0x0001f001 start 0x
eir: 0x esr: 0x0010 emr: 0x
instdone: 0xfa41 instpm: 0x
memmode: 0x010f instps: 0x800f04c4
hwstam: 0xfffe ier: 0x0002 imr: 0x iir: 0x0070
Ring at virtual 0xa782f000 head 0xe49c tail 0xe490 count 32765


...


Ring end
space: 4 wanted 32
(II) intel(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel
(II) intel(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xf8d41000 at 0xb7ef3000
(II) intel(0): [drm] Closed DRM master.

Fatal server error:
lockup


...

I have reported a version of this to upstream (as per a request by one of the 
DDs in a similar bug log:

http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16262

See also:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465694
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=432110

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I took at look at those bugs, thanks for the info. It's difficult to say much, 
given how vaguely we're able to describe the problem. Although, I too wondered 
whether or not a suspend/resume cycle was required.


I can tell you that the noexacomposite option made things much worse. Crashed 
four times in one day.


Since then I've removed that line from xorg.conf and removed the libflash.so 
plugin (I'd be using 10 beta). I've installed gnash, but really, I'm just doing 
without flash. I've no reason to suspect flash is at fault, it's just something 
I can try while I wait to here more or get asked to try other things.


Regards,


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Re: [not about debian] Could someone give me a clue about making a window manager?

[Shachar Or]

On Sunday 20 July 2008 14:32, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote:
> Any suggestions about which one? DWM? I do not know.

You may want to go with those that do not depend on extra libraries to keep 
things simple; not the ones that are part of a desktop environment for the 
same reason.

On a different note, if I were to try out a new WM now, It'd be 'awesome' 
which is in backports now.

Good week!

> Thanks.

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Re: Module compilation

[Robin]

2008/7/20 Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm following this guide:
>
>  
> http://www.debianclan.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=154&Itemid=38
>
> .  At the step where I do:
>
>  # make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd`
>
> , the system complains that the above path is not found: in fact no file or
> directory `/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build' exists.  Please can anybody suggest
> the right procedure?
>
> Many thanks in advance ofr any help
> Rodolfo
>
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Have you got the matching linux-headers-versionnumber package for you
installed kernel?

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Re: [not about debian] Could someone give me a clue about making a window manager?

[Magicloud Magiclouds]

Any suggestions about which one? DWM? I do not know.

Thanks.

Shachar Or wrote:

On Sunday 20 July 2008 09:04, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote:
  

I want to make a simple WM, but do not know where to start.



Look at the dependencies of the x-window-manager virtual package. Look at the 
sources of the simple ones.


  

Thanks.



  



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