Re: editing menus

[Robert Holtzman]

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:


Robert Holtzman wrote:


Gnome is correct, but there is no Main Menu under "Desktop -> Preferences". 
There is a "Menus and Toolbars" selection, however it has nothing to do 
with editing menu items. BTW it looks like "Desktop" has replaced "System".


"Help" talks about creating a "XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/menus/applications.menu"
in $HOME, supposedly to define a menu entry, and while it looks doable, it 
also looks like I would be opening a bucket of worms.


I forgot to include the fact that I'm running 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486. 
Sorry.




What version of gnome does etchnhalf ship with? The menu editor (alacarte) 
from ubuntu is probably a much recent version than that with etch. Try 
installing alacarte from lenny or sid.


It turned out that alacarte was installed on my system. It wasn't in the 
menu and I was unaware of its existence.


Thanks to those who replied and pointed me in the right direction.

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Re: editing menus

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

Robert Holtzman wrote:


Gnome is correct, but there is no Main Menu under "Desktop -> 
Preferences". There is a "Menus and Toolbars" selection, however it has 
nothing to do with editing menu items. BTW it looks like "Desktop" has 
replaced "System".


"Help" talks about creating a "XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/menus/applications.menu"
in $HOME, supposedly to define a menu entry, and while it looks doable, 
it also looks like I would be opening a bucket of worms.


I forgot to include the fact that I'm running 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486. 
Sorry.




What version of gnome does etchnhalf ship with? The menu editor 
(alacarte) from ubuntu is probably a much recent version than that with 
etch. Try installing alacarte from lenny or sid.


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Re: Consultation on Linux for CD

[consultores1]

On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 22:53 -0600, Chris Burkhardt wrote:
> Felipe Gallois wrote:
> > the signature =]
> 
> ... which I think is actually an ad appended by hotmail. But, yes, that's 
> what I
>  based it on. I hope it wasn't too presumptive :)
> 
> - Chris B

Yes, it was; he speaks Brazilian! i think so, but the point is what
according with my understanding that one must write in English; nothing
about Old English or its dialects.


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primeiro contato

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Desenvolvemos todo o tipo de material publicitário (folders, anúncios,
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Re: problems with madwifi and Atheros AR5418

[FlashFreak]

Hello All, red this article it might be helpful: 
http://ronymattar.com/blog/?p=10 http://ronymattar.com/blog/?p=10 

Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard-2 wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My new laptop (asus F80L-4P007C) comes with an Atheros AR5418 wifi
> chipset,
> which apparently doesn't work well with madwifi from current Lenny. This
> chipset is reported to work with madwifi at:
> 
> http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros#AtherosAR5418
> 
> I have packet loss varying form 0% to 85%, even pinging my local gateway
> (which is also the wifi AP). The only other abnormal things I noticed are
> the message 
> 
> wifi0: unknow hardware address type 801
> 
> issued (two times) when I ran 'dhclient ath0' (after configuring the card
> with iwconfig and bringing it up with ifconfig).
> 
> Now, after some time using it, I have:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% /sbin/iwconfig ath0
> ath0  IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"freeboite"  Nickname:""
>   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point:
> 96:8C:04:33:F8:1C
>   Bit Rate:48 Mb/s   Tx-Power:14 dBm   Sensitivity=1/1
>   Retry:off   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>   Power Management:off
>   Link Quality=65/70  Signal level=-31 dBm  Noise level=-96 dBm
>   Rx invalid nwid:47937  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
> 
> I notice that 'Rx invalid nwid' is non-zero, but don't know how to use
> this
> information.
> 
> What can I do in order to debug or work around this problem?
> 
> For now the options I can see are:
> 1. Use a more recent madwifi snapshot.
> 2. Try a 2.6.27 kernel with the new ath9k driver which is supposed to
> handle
> my chipset.
> 3. Use the win32 driver via ndiswrapper. I don't like this option at all,
> it
> also forces me to re-install everything in 32bits...
> 
> Any sensible advice greatly welcome! I include some info which my be
> useful,
> feel free to ask more if I forgot something important.
> 
> TIA,
> Manuel.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% lspci | grep -i wireless 
> 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5418 802.11abgn
> Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% lspci -v -s 02:00.0
> 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5418 802.11abgn
> Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
> Subsystem: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 3072
> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17
> Memory at fdef (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
> Capabilities: 
> Kernel driver in use: ath_pci
> Kernel modules: ath_pci, ath5k
> roth:~# lsmod G 'ath|wlan'
> wlan_wep9984  1 
> wlan_scan_sta  17280  1 
> ath_rate_sample17024  1 
> ath_pci   241600  0 
> wlan  223904  5
> wlan_wep,wlan_scan_sta,ath_rate_sample,ath_pci
> ath_hal   334480  3 ath_rate_sample,ath_pci
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% uname -a   
> Linux roth 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 12:09:32 UTC 2008 x86_64
> GNU/Linux
> 
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Re: vmware vmserver 2 is avail

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 18:25 +, Michael Perry wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:40:05 +0200, David Sanders wrote:
> > On Thursday 25 September 2008 17:51, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> >> @dam-main:~$ uname -r
> >> 2.6.26.cybo.2.0
> >>
> >> @dam-main:~$ dpkg -l |grep vmware
> >> ii  vmware-workstation6.5.0-110069
> >> VMware Workstation
> >> ii  xserver-xorg-video-vmware 1:10.16.2-1
> >> X.Org X server -- VMware display driver
> >>
> >
> > Is workstation worth $189 when there are free alternatives?
> >
> >
> That's a good question. I downloaded the latest workstation update since I 
> already have the 6.x release of VMware Workstation. VMware Workstation has 
> the so-called Unity feature which lets guest windows run on the host system 
> without seeing the entire guest OS desktop. Is that worth the price of 
> admission?  
> Secondly, there is a redone installation process if you download the tarball 
> where it does the install within some kind of gui'ey window. But for me, and 
> the reason I took it off; is that Unity really requires a heftier piece of 
> hardware than what I have. I have Thinkpad T43s running Ubuntu and 
> Debian TEsting with 1 and 1.5gb of memory. The performance hit after updating 
> was pretty significant. You can run VMware Player that comes with Workstation 
> 6.5 in "unity mode" as well. But everything slows way down. 
> 
> One other thing which I just noticed in any VM session which perhaps never 
> did work 
> is that I can never get RPC over HTTPs for Outlook 2007 to work on any VM 
> session on 
> Server, Workstation, etc. I'm still puzzling that one. With the same setup on 
> a native 
> Windows Vista system, I can connect to our EXchange 2007 server with no 
> problems. 
> Anybody know why this may be happening?
> 
> The big answer is that Workstation is a nice free upgrade Imo. Its not really 
> worth the price of admission if you have "lesser hardware" and want Unity. 
> If you want to pay for a nice installer it may be a nice upgrade path :)
> 
> What are the other things that people feel are reasonable features that 
> they upgraded to 6.5 or bought 6.5 for? 

I myself am getting very irate at VMware (and I am a VCP).  They are so
windows centric.  Just today, trying to install some OSs for testing in
workstation 6.5 I had strange windows selection out of vmware.  The only
fix was to restart X.  Nothing INSIDE the windows of linux could be
selected, just the tool bar menus.  Sometimes you will lose your special
keys on the keyboard (just things like Shift, ctrl, alt, all function
keys, etc) and the only fix is to restart X.

I am looking at xen (seems rather complicated to set up) and kvm (very
easy to set up) to answer my VM needs.  I have not had the time to put
much into yet, but it looks promising.  

In testing xen was neck and neck with ESX vms in performance speed.  I
think the only thing VMware has now is management tools and with things
like Bluebears Kodiac and a few others, that will also change.

Workstation 6.5 is adequate for what I use it for, but it is very
unproductive to have to stop and restart X every so often.  I suspect
xen and kvm will work just as well with out those issues.


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Re: editing menus

[Jochen Schulz]

Robert Holtzman:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Aniruddha wrote:
> 
>> Which WM do you use? I assume Gnome. Gnome's default menu editor is
>> alacarte, you can find it in the Gnome menu at 'System" -> "Preference"
>> -> "Main Menu".
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> Gnome is correct, but there is no Main Menu under "Desktop ->  
> Preferences".

aptitude install alacarte

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Re: editing menus

[Robert Holtzman]

On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Aniruddha wrote:


On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 11:52 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:

In Ubuntu the GUI applet for editing menus has buttons for adding an item
and adding a new menu. Very handy and faster than editing files by hand. I
see no such buttons in Debian. What am I missing?



Which WM do you use? I assume Gnome. Gnome's default menu editor is
alacarte, you can find it in the Gnome menu at 'System" -> "Preference"
-> "Main Menu".


Thanks for the reply.

Gnome is correct, but there is no Main Menu under "Desktop -> 
Preferences". There is a "Menus and Toolbars" selection, however it has 
nothing to do with editing menu items. BTW it looks like "Desktop" has 
replaced "System".


"Help" talks about creating a "XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/menus/applications.menu"
in $HOME, supposedly to define a menu entry, and while it looks doable, it 
also looks like I would be opening a bucket of worms.


I forgot to include the fact that I'm running 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486. 
Sorry.


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If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology,
if it doesn't work it's physics


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Re: editing menus

[Aniruddha]

On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 11:52 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> In Ubuntu the GUI applet for editing menus has buttons for adding an item 
> and adding a new menu. Very handy and faster than editing files by hand. I 
> see no such buttons in Debian. What am I missing?
> 

Which WM do you use? I assume Gnome. Gnome's default menu editor is
alacarte, you can find it in the Gnome menu at 'System" -> "Preference"
-> "Main Menu".

Regards,

Aniruddha



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Re: Re: Problem compiling 2.6.26 kernel

[Arthur Barlow]

On Sep 28, 2008, at 2:23 AM, debian-user-digest- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

From: "Mumia W.." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: September 28, 2008 12:28:43 AM PDT
To: Debian User List 
Subject: Re: Problem compiling 2.6.26 kernel


On 09/27/2008 10:42 PM, Arthur Barlow wrote:
I have used Debian for many years and I have always used the kernel- 
package program that is included with Debian to compile new  
kernels.  I have an older Athlon PC that has the Reiserfs 3.6 on   
it.  After I do the "make-kpkg --revision= ## kernel-image" and  
then use "dpkg -i" to install the new kernel, I keep getting a  
kernel panic.  The message reads like this:

   VFS: Cannot open rootdevice "301" or unknown-block(3,1)
   Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are available  
partitions:
   Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on  
unknown-block(3,1)
It appears to have trouble mounting the file systems.  I've never  
run into this before.  The boot manager is still "lilo" and there  
is a "root=/dev/hda1" statement in the "lilo.conf" file.  Any  
suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.


You seem to be the second person in two days who has complained  
about this. Has kernel.org changed how IDE devices are accessed?


For the time being, you can probably boot using a root of /dev/sda1.  
The problem is probably that the kernel IDE driver  
(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE) is not being loaded before libata (CONFIG_ATA).  
I'm running 2.6.26.5 with a config file that I've used for about a  
year; I generally get my kernels from kernel.org.


It would be interesting to know where your kernel source comes from.  
Also, please give us the output of these commands:


grep BLK_DEV_IDE .config
grep "CONFIG_S\?ATA" .config

BTW, I have both BLK_DEV_IDE and BLK_DEV_IDEDISK set to "y".



I did check the settings in .config.  Both BLK_DEV_IDE and  
BLK_DEV_IDEDISK are set to "y."  As for the ATA/SATA settings, they  
were not set, but my disk is an older one and should not care,  but I  
tried setting them and trying again, and I got the same result.


The drive is a Western Digital 40G drive, model WDC WD400JB-00FMA0.   
As I mentioned it's using Reiserfs 3.6.  Also I got the source code  
from Debian's repository.  It's just a Debianized tar ball.

editing menus

[Robert Holtzman]

In Ubuntu the GUI applet for editing menus has buttons for adding an item 
and adding a new menu. Very handy and faster than editing files by hand. I 
see no such buttons in Debian. What am I missing?


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 check the price of the beer"


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Re: vmware vmserver 2 is avail

[Alex Samad]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 06:25:36PM -, Michael Perry wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:40:05 +0200, David Sanders wrote:
> > On Thursday 25 September 2008 17:51, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> >> @dam-main:~$ uname -r
> >> 2.6.26.cybo.2.0
> >>
> >> @dam-main:~$ dpkg -l |grep vmware
> >> ii  vmware-workstation6.5.0-110069
> >> VMware Workstation
> >> ii  xserver-xorg-video-vmware 1:10.16.2-1
> >> X.Org X server -- VMware display driver
> >>
> >
> > Is workstation worth $189 when there are free alternatives?
> >
> >
> That's a good question. I downloaded the latest workstation update since I 
> already have the 6.x release of VMware Workstation. VMware Workstation has 
> the so-called Unity feature which lets guest windows run on the host system 
> without seeing the entire guest OS desktop. Is that worth the price of 
> admission?  
> Secondly, there is a redone installation process if you download the tarball 
> where it does the install within some kind of gui'ey window. But for me, and 
> the reason I took it off; is that Unity really requires a heftier piece of 
> hardware than what I have. I have Thinkpad T43s running Ubuntu and 
> Debian TEsting with 1 and 1.5gb of memory. The performance hit after updating 
> was pretty significant. You can run VMware Player that comes with Workstation 
> 6.5 in "unity mode" as well. But everything slows way down. 
> 
> One other thing which I just noticed in any VM session which perhaps never 
> did work 
> is that I can never get RPC over HTTPs for Outlook 2007 to work on any VM 
> session on 
> Server, Workstation, etc. I'm still puzzling that one. With the same setup on 
> a native 
> Windows Vista system, I can connect to our EXchange 2007 server with no 
> problems. 
> Anybody know why this may be happening?
> 
> The big answer is that Workstation is a nice free upgrade Imo. Its not really 
> worth the price of admission if you have "lesser hardware" and want Unity. 
> If you want to pay for a nice installer it may be a nice upgrade path :)
> 
> What are the other things that people feel are reasonable features that 
> they upgraded to 6.5 or bought 6.5 for? 
> 

I am not a vmware user (currently, I used to use workstation and a bit
of server), I have moved over to virtualbox, for some of the reasons you
have pointed out above. they have a seamless mode, where it integrates
the guest desktop into the hosts desktop. for me I have linux host
(amd64), on a laptop, I have 4g of memory and I allocate 1.5G to a
windows XP guest, where I talk to the corporate exchange server and use
usb devices etc.

the only draw back is the networking, they currently do not have a
network device that hangs of say eth0, I have to create a tun/tap device
and route it out (with the help of NAT) over eth0 or wlan0

alex


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Synaptic errors

[jmdennis @dslextreme.com]

This shows up when I use Synaptic but also when I do the apt-get update.  I
also get this error when I use the main server instead of the one for my
area.  If I add the non-free repositories I get about 4 more lines of errors
for those.

http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz:
404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80]
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources.gz:
404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80]

I then get this error when I click close on the first set of errors.

W: Conflicting distribution: http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny-proposed-updates
Release (expected lenny-proposed-updates but got testing-proposed-updates)

Below is the listing from my /etc/apt/sources.list.

#
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot amd64
NETINST$

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot amd64
NETINST$

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main

deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny-proposed-updates main
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny-proposed-updates main
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny/updates main
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny/updates main
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main #Added by
software-properties
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main

Re: How do I install older software versions?

[Aniruddha]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 01:53 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > > Is it possible to have a local copy of an apt mirror? I have 5 machines
> > > that can sync with a local apt-mirror and that way I can have better
> > > version control.
> > >
> > 
> > I use debmirror to maintain a local mirror of lenny binaries. You need to 
> > be 
> > careful about how much you choose to mirror or you'll end up with an 
> > extremely large bandwidth/storage requirement. My local mirror is about 
> > 20GB.
With a 20mbit connection and enough storage om not that worried ;) Do
you happen to know what the difference is between apt-move and
debmirror? 

> Use proxy server such as squid.  Then it saves only ones you downloaded.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server
> 
In what way would that help? I suspect both apt-move and mirror use
incremental updates. That way the bandwith requirements will not be that
much.

Regards,

Aniruddha



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Re: USB Mouse

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Kent West wrote:

David Baron wrote:

I have a logitec USB/PS2 optical mouse, the el cheapo.

 


I had been using it with the ps2 adapter until I booted up and BIOS
kicked about the keyboard. Taking out that connector enabled me to
boot. So I plugged the mouse into the USB and it simply worked. Hats off.

 


Next time I booted up, it did not work. Unplugging and replugging it
and voile.

 


Next time I booted up, it did not work and reconnecting also did not
work. I get the disconnect notification notice identifying the mouse,
etc. I do not get the connect notice like I did the last time.

 


So … how do I get this to work reliably?



1. Perhaps the mouse is becoming flakey? After all, it worked for a
while, then suddenly started generating errors about the keyboard via
the PS/2 connector, and it is an "el cheapo" mouse.

2. You have gpm installed, but have it configured for a PS/2 mouse.

3. Your xorg.conf file is expecting a PS/2 mouse, but sometimes can
over-ride that expectation depending on the weather and the alignment of
the planets.

4. Your mobo is becoming flakey?

5.  Your USB subsystem / devsys is not initializing properly.

I think I'd start by suspecting the mouse of getting flakey.



I second that. Get another mouse and try that.

Hugo






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Re: How do I install older software versions?

[Aniruddha]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 01:50 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> This is newer version 2 series.
>   http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReference
>   
> http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/apa.en.html#copyrighthistory
> 
> No pdf yet.  That is why you have single page html.
The new version looks great. keep up the good work :)

> > Ot, I hope it is possible to setup a local copy of an apt-mirror (as I
> > posted in a previous answer). That way I have better version control and
> > It removes some strain from the Debian mirrors by letting my 5 pc's
> > update locally.
> 
> You may be better off using generic web proxy or apt-move etc.
apt-move looks very promising, thanks!

Regards,

Aniruddha 



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Re: How do I install older software versions?

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:47:41AM +0100, James Kerr wrote:
> On Sunday 28 Sep 2008, Aniruddha wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 21:03 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> > > If you have the .deb files in the cache (/var/cache/apt/archives) then
> > > you can try to install the .deb files directly using the "dpkg -i"
> > > command. You can also do something like
> > >
> > > sudo apt-get install package=version
> > >
> > > if the package is available in the cache (or in some other repository).
> >
> > The problem is that when you need an package that you haven't installed
> > before, the package it isn't in cache (the same goes for a fresh testing
> > install). Moreover an accidental apt clean could easily wipe out your
> > careful build up cache.
> >
> > Is it possible to have a local copy of an apt mirror? I have 5 machines
> > that can sync with a local apt-mirror and that way I can have better
> > version control.
> >
> 
> I use debmirror to maintain a local mirror of lenny binaries. You need to be 
> careful about how much you choose to mirror or you'll end up with an 
> extremely large bandwidth/storage requirement. My local mirror is about 
> 20GB.

Use proxy server such as squid.  Then it saves only ones you downloaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server


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Re: How do I install older software versions?

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:49:49AM +0200, Aniruddha wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 12:58 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > > I choose testing because I want a "rolling update" system (just like
> > > Gentoo and Arch). I want to keep all my packages up to date ;)
> > 
> > Then update your system with the latest packages.
> > If you still want to keep old packages, look into
> > /var/cache/apt/archives.
> > 
> > > > See http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch03.en.html
> > > 
> > > Domo arigatoo! This link (your reference book) provides very useful
> > > information ^^.
> > 
> > Geen probleem :-)
> > 
> > 
> Lol, btw ot I've printed your Debian reference manual, but the version I
> have is different then the url you've posted. What the difference? And
> where can I find the pdf?

This is newer version 2 series.
  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReference
  http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/apa.en.html#copyrighthistory

No pdf yet.  That is why you have single page html.

> Ot, I hope it is possible to setup a local copy of an apt-mirror (as I
> posted in a previous answer). That way I have better version control and
> It removes some strain from the Debian mirrors by letting my 5 pc's
> update locally.

You may be better off using generic web proxy or apt-move etc.


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anybody running a multiseat?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

I used to run a 2seater before the PCI MX440 blew up.
Now I just got a PCI GeForce 6200 and I get errors from gdm:

Bus types other than PCI not yet isolable

Now that used to work, but no more!

If you run a multiseat, how do you do it? Specifically with what 
xorg.conf + gdm.conf options?


Hugo


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exim4 upgrade warning "DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF found in exim configuration" fix

[Ryan Nowakowski]

I stumbled across this while upgrading to testing an thought it might
be useful for others.  If you see this when upgrading exim4-config:

> DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF found in exim configuration. This is most probably 
> caused by you upgrading to exim4 4.67-3 or later without accepting the 
> suggested conffile changes. Please read 
> /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/NEWS.Debian.gz for 4.67-2 and 4.67-4

...remove all *.dpkg-old files under your /etc/exim4/conf.d/ directory.
Then re-run update-exim4.conf.  That should get rid of the warning.

- Ryan


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Re: LVM2, Debian, and changing the hostname

[Chris Davies]

Jim McCloskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] The installation used LVM2 (I'm very happy about that), but I
> have a niggling worry.

> The device-names in /dev-mapper/ by convention include the system's
> hostname as one of their sub-parts:

>  /dev/mapper/temporaryhostname-root /

> As far I can tell, this naming convention is irrelevant for all
> networking purposes and shouldn't cause a problem when the hostname
> and the mailname and so on are changed.

That's correct. It's a label and nothing more.


> But I haven't been able to *absolutely* reassure myself about this. Am
> I missing something?

It gets complicated trying to handle two LVMs on the same host if they
have the same volume name, so some distributions try to mitigate the
possibility by including a hostname in the volume name. (Why would you
have two LVMs with the same name? I wouldn't plan to, but it can come
about when swapping disk drives about.)

Chris


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Re: Consultation on Linux for CD

[Nyizsnyik Ferenc]

On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:02:48 +0300
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat,27.Sep.08, 22:53:51, Chris Burkhardt wrote:
> > Felipe Gallois wrote:
> > > the signature =]
> > 
> > ... which I think is actually an ad appended by hotmail. But, yes,
> > that's what I based it on. I hope it wasn't too presumptive :)
>  
> I think it was. The language in .br is Portuguese.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

Based on the X-Originating-IP, he is from Argentina, and the official
language there is Spanish, so the assumption was correct.

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Re: vmware vmserver 2 is avail

[Michael Perry]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:40:05 +0200, David Sanders wrote:
> On Thursday 25 September 2008 17:51, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>> @dam-main:~$ uname -r
>> 2.6.26.cybo.2.0
>>
>> @dam-main:~$ dpkg -l |grep vmware
>> ii  vmware-workstation6.5.0-110069
>> VMware Workstation
>> ii  xserver-xorg-video-vmware 1:10.16.2-1
>> X.Org X server -- VMware display driver
>>
>
> Is workstation worth $189 when there are free alternatives?
>
>
That's a good question. I downloaded the latest workstation update since I 
already have the 6.x release of VMware Workstation. VMware Workstation has 
the so-called Unity feature which lets guest windows run on the host system 
without seeing the entire guest OS desktop. Is that worth the price of 
admission?  
Secondly, there is a redone installation process if you download the tarball 
where it does the install within some kind of gui'ey window. But for me, and 
the reason I took it off; is that Unity really requires a heftier piece of 
hardware than what I have. I have Thinkpad T43s running Ubuntu and 
Debian TEsting with 1 and 1.5gb of memory. The performance hit after updating 
was pretty significant. You can run VMware Player that comes with Workstation 
6.5 in "unity mode" as well. But everything slows way down. 

One other thing which I just noticed in any VM session which perhaps never did 
work 
is that I can never get RPC over HTTPs for Outlook 2007 to work on any VM 
session on 
Server, Workstation, etc. I'm still puzzling that one. With the same setup on a 
native 
Windows Vista system, I can connect to our EXchange 2007 server with no 
problems. 
Anybody know why this may be happening?

The big answer is that Workstation is a nice free upgrade Imo. Its not really 
worth the price of admission if you have "lesser hardware" and want Unity. 
If you want to pay for a nice installer it may be a nice upgrade path :)

What are the other things that people feel are reasonable features that 
they upgraded to 6.5 or bought 6.5 for? 


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Re: Sound just broken in Sid

[Anthony Campbell]

On 28 Sep 2008, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Anthony Campbell wrote:
>> Following a recent upgrade in Sid my sound is no longer working -- on 2
>> different machines.
>>
>> Saytime says:
>>
>> sox formats: can't open output file `/dev/audio': Invalid argument
>> child process returned a non-zero status 2
>>
>
> I get:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/boot$ saytime
> sox soxio: Can't open output file `/dev/audio': unknown file type `ossdsp'
> child process returned a non-zero status 2
>
> but I haven't done an upgrade since quite a while and everything else  
> (audacious, aplay, mpg321, etc.) seems to be working.
>
> Is saytime the only thing that is dead or are the others as well?
>
> Hugo
>

Actually, sound *is* working - only saytime is not. I thought sound had
failed because I tried to listen to the BBC this morning and there was
nothing, but I tried again now and it was working, so it must have been
something at their end. Panic over!

Anthony

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Re: USB Mouse

[Kent West]

David Baron wrote:
>
> I have a logitec USB/PS2 optical mouse, the el cheapo.
>
>  
>
> I had been using it with the ps2 adapter until I booted up and BIOS
> kicked about the keyboard. Taking out that connector enabled me to
> boot. So I plugged the mouse into the USB and it simply worked. Hats off.
>
>  
>
> Next time I booted up, it did not work. Unplugging and replugging it
> and voile.
>
>  
>
> Next time I booted up, it did not work and reconnecting also did not
> work. I get the disconnect notification notice identifying the mouse,
> etc. I do not get the connect notice like I did the last time.
>
>  
>
> So … how do I get this to work reliably?
>

1. Perhaps the mouse is becoming flakey? After all, it worked for a
while, then suddenly started generating errors about the keyboard via
the PS/2 connector, and it is an "el cheapo" mouse.

2. You have gpm installed, but have it configured for a PS/2 mouse.

3. Your xorg.conf file is expecting a PS/2 mouse, but sometimes can
over-ride that expectation depending on the weather and the alignment of
the planets.

4. Your mobo is becoming flakey?

5.  Your USB subsystem / devsys is not initializing properly.

I think I'd start by suspecting the mouse of getting flakey.

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Re: Sound just broken in Sid

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Anthony Campbell wrote:

Following a recent upgrade in Sid my sound is no longer working -- on 2
different machines.

Saytime says:

sox formats: can't open output file `/dev/audio': Invalid argument
child process returned a non-zero status 2



I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/boot$ saytime
sox soxio: Can't open output file `/dev/audio': unknown file type `ossdsp'
child process returned a non-zero status 2

but I haven't done an upgrade since quite a while and everything else 
(audacious, aplay, mpg321, etc.) seems to be working.


Is saytime the only thing that is dead or are the others as well?

Hugo


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got gnus 5.11 started

[Jude DaShiell]

Like calc gnus got added to the current version of emacs so there's no 
need for the older package to be on current systems.  In reading up on 
gnus with info the last message on info's status line is Tags out of D. 
Does that mean tags are out of date and if so how can those be updated?




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Re: Problem compiling 2.6.26 kernel

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Alex Samad wrote:

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 02:28:43AM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote:

On 09/27/2008 10:42 PM, Arthur Barlow wrote:
I have used Debian for many years and I have always used the  
kernel-package program that is included with Debian to compile new  
kernels.  I have an older Athlon PC that has the Reiserfs 3.6 on  it.   
After I do the "make-kpkg --revision= ## kernel-image" and then use  
"dpkg -i" to install the new kernel, I keep getting a kernel panic.  
The message reads like this:


VFS: Cannot open rootdevice "301" or unknown-block(3,1)
Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are available  
partitions:
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on  
unknown-block(3,1)


It appears to have trouble mounting the file systems.  I've never run  
into this before.  The boot manager is still "lilo" and there is a  
"root=/dev/hda1" statement in the "lilo.conf" file.  Any suggestions  
would be appreciated.  Thanks.



You seem to be the second person in two days who has complained about  
this. Has kernel.org changed how IDE devices are accessed?


For the time being, you can probably boot using a root of /dev/sda1. The  
problem is probably that the kernel IDE driver (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE) is  
not being loaded before libata (CONFIG_ATA). I'm running 2.6.26.5 with a  
config file that I've used for about a year; I generally get my kernels  
from kernel.org.


Interestingly, I installed the latest 2.6.26.6 and I was burning a dvd,
but I had to reboot the machine because the process got stuck, I could
not kill 09 the process and it locked the dvd drive 

It would be interesting to know where your kernel source comes from.  
Also, please give us the output of these commands:


grep BLK_DEV_IDE .config
grep "CONFIG_S\?ATA" .config

BTW, I have both BLK_DEV_IDE and BLK_DEV_IDEDISK set to "y".




Trying 2.6.26.6. BTW 'uname -a' does not give that information:

Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 16:46:13 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

but if you subscribe to:

http://klive.cpushare.com/

you get that info, but apparently few Debian users do because I 
generally only see myself. Other distros have a lot more subscribers.


Hugo




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Sound just broken in Sid

[Anthony Campbell]

Following a recent upgrade in Sid my sound is no longer working -- on 2
different machines.

Saytime says:

sox formats: can't open output file `/dev/audio': Invalid argument
child process returned a non-zero status 2

I tried lsmod |grep snd:

arcadia:~:$ lsmod | grep snd
snd_pcm_oss41760  0
snd_mixer_oss  18816  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_ens137127328  0
gameport   17040  3 ns558,snd_ens1371
snd_seq_midi   11072  0
snd_seq_midi_event 11904  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_usb_audio  91296  0
snd_usb_lib20224  1 snd_usb_audio
snd_seq54304  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_rawmidi26784  3 snd_ens1371,snd_seq_midi,snd_usb_lib
snd_seq_device 11668  3 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi
snd_hwdep  12040  1 snd_usb_audio
snd_ac97_codec115416  1 snd_ens1371
ac97_bus6272  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm81800  4 
snd_pcm_oss,snd_ens1371,snd_usb_audio,snd_ac97_codec
snd_timer  25744  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd63688  11
+snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_ens1371,snd_usb_audio,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,
snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm+,snd_timer
soundcore  12064  1 snd
snd_page_alloc 13072  1 snd_pcm


So sound modules seem to be loaded but something is wrong. I could try
downgrading to the sound stuff in testing but I don't know which
packages are at fault. Any suggestions here please? 


Anthony

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Re: How do I install older software versions?

[James Kerr]

On Sunday 28 Sep 2008, Aniruddha wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 21:03 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> > If you have the .deb files in the cache (/var/cache/apt/archives) then
> > you can try to install the .deb files directly using the "dpkg -i"
> > command. You can also do something like
> >
> > sudo apt-get install package=version
> >
> > if the package is available in the cache (or in some other repository).
>
> The problem is that when you need an package that you haven't installed
> before, the package it isn't in cache (the same goes for a fresh testing
> install). Moreover an accidental apt clean could easily wipe out your
> careful build up cache.
>
> Is it possible to have a local copy of an apt mirror? I have 5 machines
> that can sync with a local apt-mirror and that way I can have better
> version control.
>

I use debmirror to maintain a local mirror of lenny binaries. You need to be 
careful about how much you choose to mirror or you'll end up with an 
extremely large bandwidth/storage requirement. My local mirror is about 
20GB.

Jim


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Re: RAMDISK:Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0 ... (etch)

[Gerard Robin]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:18:07PM +0200, Gerard Robin wrote:

From: Gerard Robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian 
Subject: Re: RAMDISK:Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0 ...
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On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 01:34:20PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: RAMDISK:Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0 ...
(etch)
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Gerard Robin wrote:

Hello,
my box works fine since about two years with etch, and this morning I
installed cupsys, hplip ... I rebooted the machine and I got:
-8<
input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input.input0
RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0
VFS: Cannot open device "302" or unknown-block (3, 2)
Please append a correct "root=" boot 
Kernel panic 

My machine seems ok, because it boot correctly on puppy.(on an USB
drive)
The mbr seems ok, I can boot windows or linux until Kernel panic ...

I use: the package debian linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 an the
bootloader lilo.

/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486

Can someone gives me a clue to solve the problem otherwise that
to reinstall etch entirely on my box.



I would try a Knoppix CD and see what's out there.


I had bootted with knoppix and,
lilo.conf  is ok
/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486  seems ok
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486  seems ok

I have copied lilo.conf on my usb stick and I did:

lilo -C /media/sda2/lilo.conf -M /dev/hda

backup copy of /dev/hda in /boot/boot.0300
The Master Boot Record of /dev/hda has been updated

But now, my box boot only on windows. linux disappearded ...
 What did I do wrong ?


My box runs fine now.
If this can be useful for others I did:

I bootted on knoppix V 5.3
In a terminal, as root: mount -o rw /dev/hda2 /media/hda2
/dev/hda2 is the partition / (which must contain the directories /boot and /etc) 
then cd /media/hda2
finally: lilo -C etc/lilo.conf -r /media/hda2  
did the trick.


However it is not normal that my mbr was altered when I installed some
packages. 


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FW: Problems with xserver-xorg

[Carlos Morales Diego]

I fixed the problem, so thanks so much Florian for your advice, it worked 
perfectly. Thanks so much.
 
 
Regards from Salamanca, Spain> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:22:30 +0200> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Problems with 
xserver-xorg> > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 16:12:15 +, Carlos Morales Diego 
wrote:> > Before typing LC_ALL=C apt-get install xserver-xorg-core I wrote> > 
apt-cache policy xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core x11-common and the> > output 
was this one: > >> > xserver-xorg: > > Installed:(none)> > Candidate:(none)> > 
Version Table:> > xserver-xorg-core:> > Installed:(none)> > Candidate: 
2:1.1.1-21etch5> > Version Table:> > 2:1.1.1-21etch5 0> > 500 
http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages> > x11-common:> > 
Installed:(none)> > Candidate:(none)> > Version Table: > > > > > > What do I do 
now?. Thanks> > It seems that you only have the security server in your 
sources.list.> You have to edit the file> > /etc/apt/sources.list> > and add a 
line like this:> > deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ etch main> > You can 
change the "es" part if you want to use a mirror in another> country. You can 
find a list of mirrors here:> http://www.debian.org/mirror/> > After you have 
changed /etc/apt/sources.list, run "apt-get update" and> then it should be 
possible for you to install xorg.> > P.S. If you also want "non-free" packages 
then the line in sources.list> should be like this:> > deb 
http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib> > For more 
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Re: Problem compiling 2.6.26 kernel

[Alex Samad]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 02:28:43AM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote:
> On 09/27/2008 10:42 PM, Arthur Barlow wrote:
>> I have used Debian for many years and I have always used the  
>> kernel-package program that is included with Debian to compile new  
>> kernels.  I have an older Athlon PC that has the Reiserfs 3.6 on  it.   
>> After I do the "make-kpkg --revision= ## kernel-image" and then use  
>> "dpkg -i" to install the new kernel, I keep getting a kernel panic.  
>> The message reads like this:
>>
>> VFS: Cannot open rootdevice "301" or unknown-block(3,1)
>> Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are available  
>> partitions:
>> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on  
>> unknown-block(3,1)
>>
>> It appears to have trouble mounting the file systems.  I've never run  
>> into this before.  The boot manager is still "lilo" and there is a  
>> "root=/dev/hda1" statement in the "lilo.conf" file.  Any suggestions  
>> would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>
> You seem to be the second person in two days who has complained about  
> this. Has kernel.org changed how IDE devices are accessed?
>
> For the time being, you can probably boot using a root of /dev/sda1. The  
> problem is probably that the kernel IDE driver (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE) is  
> not being loaded before libata (CONFIG_ATA). I'm running 2.6.26.5 with a  
> config file that I've used for about a year; I generally get my kernels  
> from kernel.org.

Interestingly, I installed the latest 2.6.26.6 and I was burning a dvd,
but I had to reboot the machine because the process got stuck, I could
not kill 09 the process and it locked the dvd drive 

>
> It would be interesting to know where your kernel source comes from.  
> Also, please give us the output of these commands:
>
> grep BLK_DEV_IDE .config
> grep "CONFIG_S\?ATA" .config
>
> BTW, I have both BLK_DEV_IDE and BLK_DEV_IDEDISK set to "y".
>
>
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Re: How do I install older software versions?

[Aniruddha]

On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 12:58 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > I choose testing because I want a "rolling update" system (just like
> > Gentoo and Arch). I want to keep all my packages up to date ;)
> 
> Then update your system with the latest packages.
> If you still want to keep old packages, look into
> /var/cache/apt/archives.
> 
> > > See http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch03.en.html
> > 
> > Domo arigatoo! This link (your reference book) provides very useful
> > information ^^.
> 
> Geen probleem :-)
> 
> 
Lol, btw ot I've printed your Debian reference manual, but the version I
have is different then the url you've posted. What the difference? And
where can I find the pdf?

Ot, I hope it is possible to setup a local copy of an apt-mirror (as I
posted in a previous answer). That way I have better version control and
It removes some strain from the Debian mirrors by letting my 5 pc's
update locally.

Regards,

Aniruddha



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Re: How do I install older software versions?

[Aniruddha]

On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 21:03 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> If you have the .deb files in the cache (/var/cache/apt/archives) then you
> can try to install the .deb files directly using the "dpkg -i" command. You
> can also do something like
> 
> sudo apt-get install package=version
> 
> if the package is available in the cache (or in some other repository).
> 

The problem is that when you need an package that you haven't installed
before, the package it isn't in cache (the same goes for a fresh testing
install). Moreover an accidental apt clean could easily wipe out your
careful build up cache.

Is it possible to have a local copy of an apt mirror? I have 5 machines
that can sync with a local apt-mirror and that way I can have better
version control.

Or maybe I can install all available software in order to create my own
repository. Is there an easy way to install all available software in
Debian? 

Regards,

Aniruddha



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Re: Problem compiling 2.6.26 kernel

[Mumia W..]

On 09/27/2008 10:42 PM, Arthur Barlow wrote:
I have used Debian for many years and I have always used the 
kernel-package program that is included with Debian to compile new 
kernels.  I have an older Athlon PC that has the Reiserfs 3.6 on  it.  
After I do the "make-kpkg --revision= ## kernel-image" and then use 
"dpkg -i" to install the new kernel, I keep getting a kernel panic.  The 
message reads like this:


VFS: Cannot open rootdevice "301" or unknown-block(3,1)
Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are available 
partitions:
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 
unknown-block(3,1)


It appears to have trouble mounting the file systems.  I've never run 
into this before.  The boot manager is still "lilo" and there is a 
"root=/dev/hda1" statement in the "lilo.conf" file.  Any suggestions 
would be appreciated.  Thanks.





You seem to be the second person in two days who has complained about 
this. Has kernel.org changed how IDE devices are accessed?


For the time being, you can probably boot using a root of /dev/sda1. The 
problem is probably that the kernel IDE driver (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE) is 
not being loaded before libata (CONFIG_ATA). I'm running 2.6.26.5 with a 
config file that I've used for about a year; I generally get my kernels 
from kernel.org.


It would be interesting to know where your kernel source comes from. 
Also, please give us the output of these commands:


grep BLK_DEV_IDE .config
grep "CONFIG_S\?ATA" .config

BTW, I have both BLK_DEV_IDE and BLK_DEV_IDEDISK set to "y".


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Re: Consultation on Linux for CD

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sat,27.Sep.08, 22:53:51, Chris Burkhardt wrote:
> Felipe Gallois wrote:
> > the signature =]
> 
> ... which I think is actually an ad appended by hotmail. But, yes, that's 
> what I
>  based it on. I hope it wasn't too presumptive :)
 
I think it was. The language in .br is Portuguese.

Regards,
Andrei
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