Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Bob Cox]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 19:42:45 -0800, Daniel Burrows ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote: 

> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 09:29:06PM -0600, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
> heard to say:
> > Chris Jones wrote:
> > > I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
> > > list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.
> > >
> > >   
> > 
> > I'm sure someone more knowledgeable about PGP/GPG than am I will answer
> > shortly, but in the meanwhile, I'll take a shot.
> > 
> > It sounds to me like you have PGP or GPG installed in your email client,
> > and it's configured to encrypt email when responding to emails that have
> > an indication of encryption capability on the other end (such as a
> > "signed" signature, etc), and your email client is then prompting you
> > for your PGP passphrase, which you don't recall setting at some time in
> > the past.
> 
>   If it's prompting him for a passphrase, it thinks he has a PGP key and
> wants to sign his outgoing email with it.

Indeed - and I expect there is a line:

  set pgp_replysign=yes

in the ~/.muttrc file.

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Re: Package signing

[Michael Wagner]

* Paras pradhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14.11.2008
>I am creating a local debian lenny pool in which I need to add customized
> debian lenny packages. For good practice  do i need to sign the modified
>packages that I modified? If yes how do i do it?

Hello Paras,

I have here also a local repository with some packages and I only sign
the complete repository, not the particular packages. I have a small
script for doing this.

-
#!/bin/bash

cd 
dpkg-scanpackages ./ /dev/null > Packages
apt-ftparchive release . > Release
gpg -abs -o Release.gpg Release
-

I have added my GPG-key with apt-key to the trusted keys and now I'm no
more blamed with the message "These packages are from an untrusted
source ..."

This is not the best way, but it's enough for me.

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Jochen Schulz]

NN_il_Confusionario:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 06:02:24PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>>
>> Firefox (which, incidentally, is the same application I absolutely need a
>> mouse for)...
> 
> one can emulate mouse in X using the numeric pad of the keyboard. Many
> years ago it was in "accessx", and then it got introduced in X proper,
> and I have lost the name of that application.

That's not an option either, because I remember "pointing" that way is
really cumbersome and since my main machine is a laptop, I don't have a
decent numpad anyway.

The real problem is that I have become too dependent on Firefox and all
those extensions I use on a daily basis. Some are pointless in a console
browser (Adblock, No Squint) but others have completely defined my way
of browsing the web (Sage, Tab Mix Plus). It is the only program where I
constantly have to resize the window (I *hate* reading lines longer than
~80 characters) and it's the only program which makes my laptop (1.3GHz
Pentium M, most of the time clocked down to 600MHz) feel slow. And I
have to give in that I actually like to view the occasional Youtube
video.

I cannot even switch to a tiling window manager because of the line
length issue. My 14", 1024x768 display is just too narrow to have two
windows side-by-side and too wide to have Firefox running fullscreen.

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:44:56PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> Mrxvt.xft:true
> Mrxvt.xftAntialias:   true
> Mrxvt.xftAutoHint:true
> #Mrxvt.xftFont:   bitstream vera sans mono
> Mrxvt.xftFont:dejavu sans mono
> Mrxvt.xftWeight:  medium
> Mrxvt.xftWidth:   normal
> Mrxvt.xftSize:12
> Mrxvt.background: #F6E7CF
> Mrxvt.showMenu:   true
> 
> so on my screen (1600x1200 @ 75 Hz), I use 12-pt dejavu sans mono
> medium.

(I have already posted some half-decent configurations I use with xvt,
rxvt, mrxtv, urxvt, xterm)

I just tried

#!/bin/sh
LANG=en_US ; export LANG
exec mrxvt -geometry 100x37-0+1 \
-stt -rv -sr -sl 2000 \
-tabfg blue -tabbg grey \
-itabfg black -itabbg "dark gray" \
-cf ~/.mrxvtrc.Douglas.A.Tutty
"$@"

I am _sorry_ to say that even terminus (!) is better for may eyes. 

One evident thing is that your resolution is better than mine, since 
geometry 100x37 (which incidentally is the same as the "geometry" on my
vt console on the ibook I am writing now) with my configurations make
the terminals full screen (except for at most a very few pixels), but
with your configuration the terminal appares much smaller on my display.

One (strange) problem, which is present in almost _all_ fonts I have
ever tried, and at any dimension and resolution, becomes particoularly
evident when using mc: "normal" font on the screen is absolutely not
well defined, but the single line (well, half-line) where the cursor is
present is _much_ more better defined. 

In the other configuration I have posted, this is probably solved (as
much as possible) by definig both "normal" and bold fonts

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Re: Unappending boot options in Lilo?

[Ron Johnson]

On 11/13/08 23:43, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]

GRML 0.9 has grub on it too.  It takes a lot longer to dl an .iso than a
floppy image.  Hard to fit a standard CD in a shirt pocket.


DSL fits on 8cm mini CDs.



Presumably if you installed Debian, you'll have the installation media.


I last installed (Etch?) from CD while I was evacuated for Katrina.

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 08:49:56PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> The only thing that tells the two contexts apart (that I badly miss..)
> is that the linux console does not support 256 colors.

I am not able to understand your needs, but surely linux framebuffer
console supports 256 colors (but I never had to use them), and even
more.

You can obtain some ideas from
 The Answer Gang 101: framebuffer colors
 http://linuxgazette.net/101/tag/6.html
and links in it.

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Re: Unappending boot options in Lilo?

[Marc Shapiro]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 09:23:27PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
  

On 11/13/08 11:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]


If you have a floppy and a floppy-drive, there's the grub-disk package.
  

[Sigh]  Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug...

This is the 21st Century.  Only crotchety old geezers have computers 
with floppy drives in them

Ok, then I am a crotchety old geezer, and proud of it.  Mind you, I 
don't remember when the last time was that I actually USED the floppy 
drive.  But it is still there!


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Re: Vbox -vs- OpenVZ?

[Mark Allums]

Stephen Liu wrote:

--- Mark Allums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

Just saw a mention of another interesting product; OpenVZ.

Has anybody done any comparison between VBox and OpenVZ?

Any opinions about which is better?

Many TIA!
Dennis


VirtualBox has been getting a lot of maintenance lately, which I
regard 
as a Good Sign.  Don't know about openVZ.


Mark Allums



Hi Mark,


Is VirtualBox for kernel virtualization?  How about Vserver?


B.R.
Stephen




QEMU with kvm is kernel virtualization, or rather, kvm is kernel virtual 
ization.


vbox is full virtualization.

Wikipedia is just crammed with virtualization articles.  Most of them 
are reasonably accurate.


Try there.

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Re: Unappending boot options in Lilo?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 09:40:04PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 11/13/08 21:30, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 09:23:27PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>On 11/13/08 11:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >>[snip]
> >>>If you have a floppy and a floppy-drive, there's the grub-disk package.
> >>[Sigh]  Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug...
> >>
> >>This is the 21st Century.  Only crotchety old geezers have computers 
> >>with floppy drives in them.
> >>
> >
> >OK.  Why isn't there a grub-stick package to dd onto a UBS stick?  
> 
> Excellent question.  The Ubuntu LiveCD is adequate to the task, 
> though.  (I tried the "standard" Lenny LiveCD, but after searching 
> for my CD drive on sda, it turned my screen a weird pixelated grey.)

GRML 0.9 has grub on it too.  It takes a lot longer to dl an .iso than a
floppy image.  Hard to fit a standard CD in a shirt pocket.

Presumably if you installed Debian, you'll have the installation media.
That can be booted and you can chroot to your root drive to fix
problems.  I did that on Potato, Sarge, Etch...

Doug.


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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 04:54:05PM -0500, H.S. wrote:
> video was being played in the console. Ascii art mode is where the video
> is showed as ascii characters, right?

yes. When you want to amuse yourself, try it. And look at the monitor
from a sufficiently big distance.

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Celejar]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:18:26 +0200
"Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> audio player:

mplayer 

> desktop OR window manager:

Xfce / Xfwm

> development:

Bluefish / Gvim / Vim

> e-mail client:

Sylpheed

> file manager:

mc

> ftp client:

ncftp

> games:

Wesnoth / Nethack

> image editor:

Gimp / Imagemagick
 
> image viewer:

feh

> package manager:

aptitude
 
> pdf-reader:

evince

> terminal emulator:

[Xfce] Terminal

> text editor:

vim
 
> video player:

[G]mplayer

> web browser:

Iceweasel
 
> word-processor:

Abiword / oowriter
 
> SPECIAL CATEGORIES

> anything FLOSS deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC):

Debian, OpenWrt, Linux, ssh, Sylpheed, b43, ath5k, perl
 
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[OT] runaway loop modprobe char-major-5-1

[Celejar]

Hi,

[OT since this may not be Debian related.]

My 2.6.28 kernels with initramfs hang on boot, a problem that I found
discussed here: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/28/98

I can use kernels without initramfs.  What is the protocol here?
Should I add my two cents on lkml?  Just wait?  Do anything else?  This
thread has been silent for two weeks already, and I haven't found any
other information on the issue.

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Re: Vbox -vs- OpenVZ?

[Lachlan]

2008/11/14 Mark Allums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dennis Wicks wrote:
>>
>> Greetings;
>>
>> Just saw a mention of another interesting product; OpenVZ.
>>
>> Has anybody done any comparison between VBox and OpenVZ?
>>
>> Any opinions about which is better?

My vote is for vbox.

Virtualbox OSE has served me pretty well, i've run a couple of VM
boxes this year with 1-4 OS's running at a time for ages and had no
troubles.

Not sure about the proprietary version but the Open Source Edition has
kept getting better.

>> Many TIA!
>> Dennis
>>
>
> VirtualBox has been getting a lot of maintenance lately, which I regard as a
> Good Sign.  Don't know about openVZ.
>
> Mark Allums
>
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Re: Vbox -vs- OpenVZ?

[Stephen Liu]

--- Mark Allums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dennis Wicks wrote:
> > Greetings;
> > 
> > Just saw a mention of another interesting product; OpenVZ.
> > 
> > Has anybody done any comparison between VBox and OpenVZ?
> > 
> > Any opinions about which is better?
> > 
> > Many TIA!
> > Dennis
> > 
> 
> VirtualBox has been getting a lot of maintenance lately, which I
> regard 
> as a Good Sign.  Don't know about openVZ.
> 
> Mark Allums


Hi Mark,


Is VirtualBox for kernel virtualization?  How about Vserver?


B.R.
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Re: Vbox -vs- OpenVZ?

[Mark Allums]

Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

Just saw a mention of another interesting product; OpenVZ.

Has anybody done any comparison between VBox and OpenVZ?

Any opinions about which is better?

Many TIA!
Dennis



VirtualBox has been getting a lot of maintenance lately, which I regard 
as a Good Sign.  Don't know about openVZ.


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Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:42:45PM EST, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 09:29:06PM -0600, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
> heard to say:
> > Chris Jones wrote:
> > > I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
> > > list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.
> > >
> > >   
> > 
> > I'm sure someone more knowledgeable about PGP/GPG than am I will answer
> > shortly, but in the meanwhile, I'll take a shot.
> > 
> > It sounds to me like you have PGP or GPG installed in your email client,
> > and it's configured to encrypt email when responding to emails that have
> > an indication of encryption capability on the other end (such as a
> > "signed" signature, etc), and your email client is then prompting you
> > for your PGP passphrase, which you don't recall setting at some time in
> > the past.
> 
>   If it's prompting him for a passphrase, it thinks he has a PGP key and
> wants to sign his outgoing email with it.

By tomorrow I'll be sober and figure out what I'm doing wrong.

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Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:37:52PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 11/13/08 21:33, Chris Jones wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:28:03PM EST, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >>On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:17:24PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> >>>I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
> >>>list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.
> >>>
> >>You should only be posting replies to the list address (e.g.
> >>debian-user@lists.debian.org) and not a global reply to the posters.
> >
> >Which is exactly what I was doing .. 
> 
> Mutt has Reply-To-List.  I think that "L" is the correct hotkey.

You're correct .. and that's what I have been doing - and why I got so
frustrated in the first place.

I'll take a look at this again tomorrow .. I could swear that when you
get the "Enter PGP passphrase" message in mutt you had a keyboard action
to skip/cancel and were they able to post. 

Since I have changed anything in my setup for decades .. I'm not sure
why I was unable to do this.


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Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:29:06PM EST, Kent West wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
> > list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.
> >
> >   
> 
> I'm sure someone more knowledgeable about PGP/GPG than am I will answer
> shortly, but in the meanwhile, I'll take a shot.
> 
> It sounds to me like you have PGP or GPG installed in your email client,
> and it's configured to encrypt email when responding to emails that have
> an indication of encryption capability on the other end (such as a
> "signed" signature, etc), and your email client is then prompting you
> for your PGP passphrase, which you don't recall setting at some time in
> the past.

Must be a default .. I never set a passphrase in my email client.

> If you have a PGP or GPG item in your email client's settings, that's
> probably what's going on.
> 
> At least, that's the understanding, limited though it be, and maybe
> wrong, that I have.

Maybe I need to purge mutt on this system .. and re-apt-get it?

Guess I have to talk to the mutt people for guidance.


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Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Daniel Burrows]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 09:29:06PM -0600, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
> > list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.
> >
> >   
> 
> I'm sure someone more knowledgeable about PGP/GPG than am I will answer
> shortly, but in the meanwhile, I'll take a shot.
> 
> It sounds to me like you have PGP or GPG installed in your email client,
> and it's configured to encrypt email when responding to emails that have
> an indication of encryption capability on the other end (such as a
> "signed" signature, etc), and your email client is then prompting you
> for your PGP passphrase, which you don't recall setting at some time in
> the past.

  If it's prompting him for a passphrase, it thinks he has a PGP key and
wants to sign his outgoing email with it.

  Daniel


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Re: Unappending boot options in Lilo?

[Ron Johnson]

On 11/13/08 21:30, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 09:23:27PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 11/13/08 11:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]

If you have a floppy and a floppy-drive, there's the grub-disk package.

[Sigh]  Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug...

This is the 21st Century.  Only crotchety old geezers have computers 
with floppy drives in them.




OK.  Why isn't there a grub-stick package to dd onto a UBS stick?  


Excellent question.  The Ubuntu LiveCD is adequate to the task, 
though.  (I tried the "standard" Lenny LiveCD, but after searching 
for my CD drive on sda, it turned my screen a weird pixelated grey.)




Somewhere around I still have my Dad's FACIT mechanical desktop
calculator.  Long division on that was fun, but probably caused more
repetive strain injury than any mouse.

:)






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Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Ron Johnson]

On 11/13/08 21:33, Chris Jones wrote:

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:28:03PM EST, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:17:24PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:

I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.


You should only be posting replies to the list address (e.g.
debian-user@lists.debian.org) and not a global reply to the posters.


Which is exactly what I was doing .. 


Mutt has Reply-To-List.  I think that "L" is the correct hotkey.

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Solved: Using git shallow checkouts

[T o n g]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:15:08 +, T o n g wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 
> The git's "shallow checkouts" feature enables people to download the
> latest version of the repository without downloading all the history.
> 
> It is "adequate if you are only interested in the recent history of a
> large project with a long history, and would want to send in fixes as
> patches". http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-clone.html

Yes, 

> But how can I send in fixes?
> 
> $ git format-patch origin
> fatal: ambiguous argument 'origin': unknown revision or path not in the
> working tree.

sorry, my mistake, something wrong with the original pull. the command 
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Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:28:03PM EST, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:17:24PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> > I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
> > list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.
> > 
> 
> You should only be posting replies to the list address (e.g.
> debian-user@lists.debian.org) and not a global reply to the posters.

Which is exactly what I was doing .. 


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Re: Unappending boot options in Lilo?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 09:23:27PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 11/13/08 11:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> >If you have a floppy and a floppy-drive, there's the grub-disk package.
> 
> [Sigh]  Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug...
> 
> This is the 21st Century.  Only crotchety old geezers have computers 
> with floppy drives in them.
> 

OK.  Why isn't there a grub-stick package to dd onto a UBS stick?  

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Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Kent West]

Chris Jones wrote:
> I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
> list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.
>
>   

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable about PGP/GPG than am I will answer
shortly, but in the meanwhile, I'll take a shot.

It sounds to me like you have PGP or GPG installed in your email client,
and it's configured to encrypt email when responding to emails that have
an indication of encryption capability on the other end (such as a
"signed" signature, etc), and your email client is then prompting you
for your PGP passphrase, which you don't recall setting at some time in
the past.

If you have a PGP or GPG item in your email client's settings, that's
probably what's going on.

At least, that's the understanding, limited though it be, and maybe
wrong, that I have.


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Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:17:24PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
> list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.
> 

You should only be posting replies to the list address (e.g.
debian-user@lists.debian.org) and not a global reply to the posters.

Doug.


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Re: Unappending boot options in Lilo?

[Ron Johnson]

On 11/13/08 11:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]


If you have a floppy and a floppy-drive, there's the grub-disk package.


[Sigh]  Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug...

This is the 21st Century.  Only crotchety old geezers have computers 
with floppy drives in them.


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Re: Why do I need a passphrase???

[Thierry Chatelet]

Le Friday 14 November 2008 04:17:24 Chris Jones, vous avez écrit :
> I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
> list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.
>
> I would gladly comply .. but I have no idea what that "PGP passphrase"
> is and how I can obtain it.
>
> Someone just asked a question to the "community".. So, I try to help,
> right? .. I try to give them some kind of answer, right? .. and now that
> I have painstakingly put together something that may help them and I'm
> about to post it.. 20 minutes of my time, could be .. and I try to
> post..  Well guess what .. I'm bloody stuck .. because of course I have
> no f***ing idea what their "PGP passphrase" is in the first place.
>
> Say .. this guy just got hit by a bullet in the arm or something ..  and
> I'm trying to help .. so he asks me .. man .. where's the closest
> hospital.. so I says .. well you head south and make a right on the
> turnpike and when you get to the second traffic light you  make a left
> and it's right there on the right handside.. and then _he_ says ..
> hmmm..  very interesting.. but ... what's the passphrase??
>
> Folks, how can I identify _before_ I waste my time on a detailed reply
> who the "PGP passphrase" people are and just ignore them?
>
> Am I mistaken .. or are the "PGP passphrase" wise guys another ilk of
> trolls & spammers that should right away be BANNED from this list and
> every other list and restrained to "PGP passphrase land" for trying to
> look "knowledgeable" and "important" and waste everybody's time in the
> process .. or I am totally missing something and is there any good
> reason they should have the right to demand that I provide a
> "passphrase" in order to post to a list that as far as I understand is
> open to the general public??
>
> Could anyone explain why a subscriber to the list who as far as I know
> has no higher privilege than myself should have the ability to ask me
> for a "PGP passphrase" in the first place?
>
> Does not make any sense to me.
>
> Please advise.
>
> Thanks,
> CJ

What, where, when?


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Why do I need a passphrase???

[Chris Jones]

I have noticed that in order to reply to their posts some users on this
list require that I provide a "PGP passphrase" .. whatever that may be.

I would gladly comply .. but I have no idea what that "PGP passphrase"
is and how I can obtain it.

Someone just asked a question to the "community".. So, I try to help,
right? .. I try to give them some kind of answer, right? .. and now that
I have painstakingly put together something that may help them and I'm
about to post it.. 20 minutes of my time, could be .. and I try to
post..  Well guess what .. I'm bloody stuck .. because of course I have
no f***ing idea what their "PGP passphrase" is in the first place.

Say .. this guy just got hit by a bullet in the arm or something ..  and
I'm trying to help .. so he asks me .. man .. where's the closest
hospital.. so I says .. well you head south and make a right on the
turnpike and when you get to the second traffic light you  make a left
and it's right there on the right handside.. and then _he_ says ..
hmmm..  very interesting.. but ... what's the passphrase??

Folks, how can I identify _before_ I waste my time on a detailed reply
who the "PGP passphrase" people are and just ignore them?

Am I mistaken .. or are the "PGP passphrase" wise guys another ilk of
trolls & spammers that should right away be BANNED from this list and
every other list and restrained to "PGP passphrase land" for trying to
look "knowledgeable" and "important" and waste everybody's time in the
process .. or I am totally missing something and is there any good
reason they should have the right to demand that I provide a
"passphrase" in order to post to a list that as far as I understand is
open to the general public??

Could anyone explain why a subscriber to the list who as far as I know
has no higher privilege than myself should have the ability to ask me
for a "PGP passphrase" in the first place?

Does not make any sense to me.

Please advise.

Thanks,
CJ


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Re: failed to install msttcorefonts

[Thierry Chatelet]

Le Friday 14 November 2008 01:35:58 Bernard, vous avez écrit :
> Hi to Everyone,
>
msttcorefonts
This package exists to facilitate upgrades to ttf-mscorefonts-installer. It 
can safely be removed from your system

Sorry for the personnal mail to bdebreil I clicked to fast


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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:02:24PM EST, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
> Just to name two of them: irssi is an excellent IRC client and mcabber
> is a great Jabber client.

You can also take a look at weechat. Maybe it's me but everything I
needed was there and implemented in such a way that I never even had to
look at the (excellent) manual. A most intuitive application for
terminal believers!

> BTW, I find your discussion quite interesting 

[..]

I'll second that .. _very_ interesting.  

Where I'm concerned... a "slim" _UI_ -- rather than the ever popular
"window manager" misnomer -- is gnu/screen (mentioned elsewhere in this
thread).

The slimness I'm talking about is not about low RAM utilization .. it's
about my own personal low "intra-cranial-cpu" utilization. 

:-)

Bloat-free is really what matters in the end.. because BLOAT confuses
you day in day out and slowly destroys the mind.

My personal setup has the added advantage that I can run the same UI
with the same exact look and feel whether I'm in X/XTerm or the linux
console.. fbiterm or whatever.. And it's painless to switch.. because I
can fall back on exactly the same old habits that are now wired into my
fingers.  

Not to mention that even on the console, I still have on the last line
of my display (no icons or fancy mini-graphs that the console cannot
handle there..) all the useful counters that give me the system's
current temperature, CPU utilization, memory and swap utilization,
network up/down traffic activity.. not to mention the current date and
time.

I should add that I use the excellent 12-point "terminus" font both in X
and the linux console. At my LCD's 1400x1050 native resolution this
gives me precisely 232x86 columns/lines whether I run it on the linux
console or a maximized XTerm. 

The only thing that tells the two contexts apart (that I badly miss..)
is that the linux console does not support 256 colors.

Hope that helps.

CJ

P.S. If anyone is interested, I can post screenshots of my setup over
the weekend .. deeds better than words as they say...


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Re: What is the point of RAID?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 06:39:09PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 November 2008, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: 
> What is the point of RAID?':
> >On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:59:09 -0600
> >"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> RAID-5 might not be the fastest or least risky way to store data across 
> 5x(1 TB) drives, but it wins because it gives a lot of space (4 TB) at an 
> acceptable level of redundancy -- I challenge anyone to come up with a 
> scheme that gives the same performance and at least 3 1/3 TB of space with 
> ANY redundancy.
> 

The other thing to consider as that you don't necessarily need the same
performance/protection for the whole dataset on a system.

Having the OS live-redundant (e.g. raid) makes a lot of sense.  However,
at some point, you have to consider that if downtime (as opposed to data
loss) is so problematic you need to consider failures other than drives,
which leads to some type of high-availability system.

Just sticking with the data, for now:

Data that needs to be always live, e.g.  transaction data, raid makes
sense.  Non-transaction data (think archives, documents, movies, etc),
where you can tolerate inaccessability for the duration of a restore,
then just relying on solid backups makes sense.  If those backups are on
disk-type media (e.g. external hard drive, virtual tape server,
whatever) then restore is very quick.  If those backups are on tape,
then it takes a bit more time.

There's no reason why you couldn't have /home on raid (so that no matter
what the drives were doing, you'd be able to log in and get some work
done), but have a non-raid filesystem mounted on, e.g.
/var/local/archive with directories for each user just like /home.  The
user could symlink them into a directory in their ~/ directory.  If the
~/ directory was limited in size (quota) but the ~/archive/ wasn't, then
they'd have an incentive to store their videos in the archive.
/var/local/archive could then be back-ed up frequently but not
necesarily be raided.  The greatest advantage here is if the data files
in the archive aren't already compressed, in which case the backup
procedure compresses them and the backup takes up less capacity than a
raid array.

Just a thought, with the same disclaimer as a previous poster gave.

Doug.


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Re: small web browser

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 02:33:25AM -0600, lee wrote:
> what's a good web browser that doesn't need so much memory? I have the
> same group of tabs open in each browser to compare memory useage:
> 
> 
> USER   PID %CPU %MEMVSZ   RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
> lee  24253  3.0  3.7 138688 77252 tty1 Sl   01:14   0:06 iceape-bin
> lee  24234  2.0  3.3 183252 69584 pts/4Sl+  01:11   0:07 
> epiphany-browser
> lee  24302 16.1  3.8 193536 80796 pts/6Sl+  01:21   0:04 
> /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a iceweasel
> 
> 
> For some reason, firefox always defaults to iceweasel (even when
> started as /usr/bin/firefox).
> 
> Anyway, all these browsers use a lot of memory. I've been using Mozilla
> (iceape) for years and lately stuck to it only because I needed the
> built-in mail client. Now I have replaced the mail client with claws,
> and I'm curious if there is another nice browser that doesn't need so
> much memory.

I hate web browsers, except that without one, one can't surf the weeb.

I like konqueror (although I use icewm instead of KDE).  They all take
up a lot of memory.  In fact, web browsing is what caused me to buy a
new computer.  I also differentiate needing graphics/javascript or not.
If I don't need javascript or graphics, I use lynx.  If I need graphics
but not javascript, then I may (or may not) use links2.  However, my
perception is that if I need javascript, then I'd be safer using a
browser that is more common or that has its code looked at by more
people since I perceive that the potential for security issues is
greater with javascript enabled.

I also find that there are some sites that work with firefox that don't
with konqueror:  konq will display its bad-html icon and do nothing on a
link, whereas iceweasel will work.  I like konq's bookmark system
better.

When I was running a small box and sshing to the big box to run a
browser, it also mattered _where_ that memory was being used.  I forget
which was which (between Konq and Iceweasel) but one used the memory in
the xorg driver (therefore on the small box I was using) and the other
used the memory on the box on which it was running (the big box in that
case).

In short, for "full featured" web browsing, unfortunatly lots of memory
is required.

Doug.


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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:22:16PM +0100, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:36:15PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > Did you try terminus? It's available as console and X11 font and last
> > time I tried it looked equally well in both modes.
> 
> yes, since their first apparence in debian stable. I agree that they
> look very similar in X and in console (the difference is only due to
> resolution, refresh rate, brightness and contrast, I suppose). 
> 
> But unfortunately my eyes disagree about the "well" part.
> 

I agree: I hate terminus.  

For console/term apps on X, I use mrxvt and here is my .mrxvtrc:

8-<


Mrxvt.xft:  true
Mrxvt.xftAntialias: true
Mrxvt.xftAutoHint:  true
#Mrxvt.xftFont: bitstream vera sans mono
Mrxvt.xftFont:  dejavu sans mono
Mrxvt.xftWeight:medium
Mrxvt.xftWidth: normal
Mrxvt.xftSize:  12
Mrxvt.background:   #F6E7CF
Mrxvt.showMenu: true


8-<

so on my screen (1600x1200 @ 75 Hz), I use 12-pt dejavu sans mono
medium.

Its the best I found.

However, 95% of what I do, I do from non-X console.  In fact, I can do
95% of what I do on any slow computer on which I can install
Linux/OpenBSD.

Often, I access one of my computers from a real DEC VT220 (white on
black model), which uses a standard PS/2 keyboard.  I purchased it off
eBay for $30.  Paid more for 100' of serial cable and connectors :)

Doug.


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Re: Unappending boot options in Lilo?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:12:50AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 08:40:51AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Last night, I (foolishly) added a couple of items (hda=noprobe 
> > > hdb=noprobe) to the "append" line of lilo.conf without testing them 
> > > first, and now the boot process panics with:
> > >
> > > Cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown-block(0,0)
> > > Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 
> > > unknown-block(0,0)
> > >
> > > So, is there any way, at the boot prompt, to tell Lilo not to append any 
> > > options? (No help from Google; my Google Fu must be weak this morning.)
> >
> > Run lilo again after rebooting :)
> 
> G.
> 
> > You can boot your system by rescue CDs. Grub CD is one good one.

If you have a floppy and a floppy-drive, there's the grub-disk package.
I know, you can't boot your debian system to install the package.  I
don't know if you can unpack the .deb and use rawwrite on win to make
the floppy.   

There's also the Debian install CD in rescue mode.  Boot it up, run a
shell in your root partition, edit the lilo.conf and re-run lilo.

Doug.


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Re: kdm will not accept my password

[Ken Heard]

On 13/11/2008, Ken Heard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just finished installing Etch in a new box.  KDM appears on the
>  monitor with my user name and place to enter my password, but KDM will
>  not accept it.
>
>  In a virtual box I am able to log in to my user with the same
>  password; so the user name and password are correct.  Keyboard is US,
>  which I used all through the installation; so the problem is not
>  related to using a non US keyboard.
>
>  I have installed Sarge and Etch many times but have never run into
>  this problem before.  What should I do to fix it?
>
>
>  Ken Heard
>
I have answered my own question.  The /tmp directory was set to 0770
instead of 0777.  Sorry.

Ken


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Re: Static device naming with udev, help please

[Nate Bargmann]

* Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Nov 13 13:13 -0600]:

> Try
> 
> udevinfo -a --name=/dev/usb/ttyUSB0 
> udevinfo -a --name=/dev/usb/ttyUSB1 
> 
> These commands list all known attributes of the devices and of their
> parent devices. The parent devices will have attributes which allow to
> identify each dongle (for example ATTRS{busnum} and ATTRS{devnum} in the
> usb subsystem). You can write a udev rule with the properties of a
> device itself combined the properties of (only) one parent device: 
> 
> file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html#udevinfo
> 
> This should make it possible to find a combination of device and parent
> attributes that is unique for each dongle.
> 
> It may even be the case that the devices themselves have properties that
> can be used to distinguish them without having to refer to parent
> devices, for example unique serial numbers.

Thanks, Florian.

That has given me a lot of info to digest and gives me a starting
point.

Thanks!

- Nate >>

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failed to install msttcorefonts

[Bernard]

Hi to Everyone,

On my desktop running under Debian Sarge, I had no problem installing 
'msttecorefonts', which was done about 18 months ago. However, now, on 
my laptop under Etch, I can't get those fonts installed. Upon launching:


#apt-get install msttcorefonts

the install process started allright, it even seemed to end OK.. except 
for one thing :


'warning: /usr/share/fonts/X11/truetype does not exist or is not a 
directory'

'warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/truetype does not exist or is not a directory'

These directories don't exist indeed... but they don't exist either on 
my desktop, where the install was no problem.


Anyway, these were just warnings. After these two lines of warning, here 
is what came next :


'These fonts were provided by Microsoft "in the interest of 
cross-platform compatibility". This is no longer the case, but they are 
still available from third parties. You are free to download these fonts 
and use them for your own use, but you may not redistribute them in 
modified form, including changes to the file name or packaging format.'


Once this had been displayed, a download process automatically started, 
and it went like this :


--21:12:19-- 
http://surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe

  => './andale32.exe'
Resolving surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net... failed: Connexion terminated 
because of waiting time delay expired


and then the process restarted at another address, then a third and a 
forth one etc... with always the same failure about expiring waiting 
time for resolving. here are the various addresses that have been 
attempted by the system :


http://optusnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://puzzle.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://jaist.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://nchc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe

After all these failed trials, it said :

andale32.exe: No such file or directory

All done, errors in processing 1 file
dpkg : error in treating msttcorefonts (--configure) : post install 
sub-process script has returned an error code (1)

E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1).


True type fonts are not available. If there is an error in a config 
file, I don't know where to find it, and, in any case, I wouldn't know 
what http addresses to write instead of those that failed...


Ever since then, I have tried a few more things. The addresses up there 
are good, since I can connect and download each font using my web 
browser or wget, but it does not work through the debian package font 
downloading program, even though the package itself does dowload 
allright from the debian site. I have tried this several times, 
alterning apt-get install and apt-get remove. Later on, I decided to 
test what would happen if I dowloaded the 'Lenny' version of 
msttcorefonts, thus I temporarily changed a few lines in my 
/etc/apt/sources.list, and tried a new install. This did not work any 
better, and the problem was the same, even though the error messages 
were slightly different. My new problem is that, once back to my former 
/etc/apt/sources.list file mentioning Debian Etch instead of Lenny, not 
only can't I install msttcorefonts, yet I can no longer remove either, 
both processes return errors.


Thanks in advance for your help


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kdm will not accept my password

[Ken Heard]

I just finished installing Etch in a new box.  KDM appears on the
monitor with my user name and place to enter my password, but KDM will
not accept it.

In a virtual box I am able to log in to my user with the same
password; so the user name and password are correct.  Keyboard is US,
which I used all through the installation; so the problem is not
related to using a non US keyboard.

I have installed Sarge and Etch many times but have never run into
this problem before.  What should I do to fix it?

Ken Heard


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Package signing

[Paras pradhan]

I am creating a local debian lenny pool in which I need to add customized
 debian lenny packages. For good practice  do i need to sign the modified
packages that I modified? If yes how do i do it?

Thanks
Paras.

Re: Canadian Walmart Photo Centre Problems?

[diane mittnik]

On 11/12/08, S.D.Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:07:29 -0500 (EST), Doug Mitton in
> gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
>
>> Yes, I agree BUT by update you keep updated in your current version
>> "stream".  That I did.  I don't always jump to be the first to use a
>> new release "beta" as I'm not always interested in working through the
>> new BUGS.
>
> Well you should if only for the security issues surrounding the older
> versions !

You aren't suggesting that a Debian Stable user run a mixed
Stable/Testing or Stable/Testing/Sid setup just to run the latest
Firefox, are you?

Or a Debian Stable user forego the packaging system and all its
benefits including easy security updates, and install/compile the
latest Firefox and then have to monitor mailing lists and security
sites daily/hourly to check for security holes/workarounds/patches?

>From my understanding of Debian security, security patches (whether
from the regular sources or security that monitors backports or
alternate sources) are backported into Iceweasel/Iceape as they are
part of Stable sources and monitored by the security team.


>>> From: Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>> Heh. This is why you should always keep your programs updated
>>> to the most recent version, especially for something as commonly
>>> used as Firefox.

If my understanding of what you wrote here, my questions above apply
here as well.

>>>  In case you have more problems you could try the User
>>> Agent Switch plugin for Firefox, I've had very good success
>>>  setting my Firefox to show up as Netscape on Vista.

User-Agent switcher generally works for me but it didn't work for me
to view the Olympics from the NBC web site.  Even altering the entire
user string to mimick Apple or IE on Vista or XP (I checked web logs
to make sure and examined the browser headers as well) didn't work for
me and I gave up.  Maybe in '10 I'll have better luck.


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Re: Ctrl key stuck? with every key press?

[diane mittnik]

On 11/13/08, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/11/13 diane mittnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>>
>> tia for any help,
>>
>> Di.
>>
>
> Enable the Show Keyboard Status applet to ensure that you do not have
> Sticky Keys enabled, or that for some other reason Ctrl is being held.
> Note that pressing a modifier key 5 times in quick succession
> activates Sticky Keys.
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen

Thanks, I'll search for which applet this is and enable it.

The other thing I forgot to mention that may have triggered the
sticky/stuck CTRL key was that just prior to the problem coming up I
had performed an emergency sync (CTRL-ALT-SYSRQ-s) as I have a Toshiba
laptop with a faulty video card

(all Toshiba laptops that have a bios fix for a so called
"intermittent" screen freeze in all probability have this issue and
Toshiba is attempting to run out the warranty rather than recall the
laptops), and I frequently sync the disk among other mitigation
procedures to avoid losing data.

So I might have hit a wrong key after the sync, together with CTRL or
Alt and that may have triggered the sticky/stuck key.

But thanks for the advice.

Di.


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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Tom Rauchenwald]

Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> BTW, I find your discussion quite interesting (although I started to
> skip a few paragraphs). I could give up X anytime if it weren't for
> Firefox (which, incidentally, is the same application I absolutely need a
> mouse for)...

Used to be the same for me, until i found conkeror. It's a neat browser
based on Xulrunner. The nice thing is that it is completely controllable
via keyboard, but if you like you can use the mouse. 

> J.

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OT: Using git shallow checkouts

[T o n g]

Hi,


The git's "shallow checkouts" feature enables people to download the 
latest version of the repository without downloading all the history. 

It is "adequate if you are only interested in the recent history of a 
large project with a long history, and would want to send in fixes as 
patches". http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-clone.html

But how can I send in fixes?

$ git format-patch origin
fatal: ambiguous argument 'origin': unknown revision or path not in the 
working tree.

please help. 

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[H.S.]

NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:21:06PM -0500, H.S. wrote:
>> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>>> Then you should try mplayer playing movies in ascii on the console. :)
>> Just did, awesome!
>>
>> BTW, while playing an avi file in a console, trying to change to another
>> console caused the computer to hang.
> 
> This is quite strange that it happens with mplayer in ascii art mode. It

Sorry, it wasn't in ascii art mode, it was in the mode where the actual
video was being played in the console. Ascii art mode is where the video
is showed as ascii characters, right?





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Touchpad + keyboard extreme slowliness

[Kevin ALLIX]

Hi,

I'm running Debian unstable with the Debian 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel, and I'm 
randomly facing a ugly keyboard and touchpad problem.
From times to times, keyboard and touchpad are incredibly slow to react : I 
press a key, and have to wait for half a second before the letter is printed 
in the application. Mouse cursor somewhat follows my finger, but with the 
same kind of delay thus rendering the touchpad barely usable.

Each time the problem occurs, the delay is nearly half a second at the 
beginning, and increases over time. 

I often have an USB mouse plugged to my laptop and I've noticed that the USB 
mouse does not suffer from this, even when the touchpad and laptop keyboard 
do.
When the problem hasn't occured since last power cycle, the USB mouse can be 
plugged and unplugged at will and works flawlessly. As soon as the problem 
begins, the USB mouse keeps on working just fine but if I unplug it and then 
plug it back, it stops working. (red ligth doesn't even light up)
Sadly I don't have any USB keyboard (well except the laptop one).

I've encouterd the same problem with older kernels (never tryied a kernel 
older than 2.6.24, nor a 32 bits one though), either Debian ones or vanilla 
ones.

The only way I found to get back to a normal behavior is to hard reboot my 
laptop...

Whoever helps me to get rid of that problem will be offered eternal life, 
insane amounts of money, supplies of quad-core xeons and a well-connected 
datacenter to play with.*

(* Well...some conditions may apply)

Some additional information:
hardware : MacBook Core 2 duo 2.4Ghz, 13,3"

lsusb
Bus 007 Device 005: ID 05ac:8501 Apple, Inc. Built-in iSight [Micron]
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05ac:8205 Apple, Inc. Bluetooth HCI MacBookPro
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 003: ID 05ac:022a Apple, Inc. Internal Keyboard/Trackpad 
(MacBook Pro) (ISO)
Bus 005 Device 002: ID 05ac:8242 Apple, Inc.
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory 
Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated 
Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI 
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 
(rev 03)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5 
(rev 03)
00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 6 
(rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI 
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA IDE 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 
03)
02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 
03)
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Marvell Yukon 
88E8058 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)
04:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Agere Systems FW323 (rev 61)

lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
i915   35072  2
drm91488  3 i915
uvcvideo   55560  0
compat_ioctl32 12288  1 uvcvideo
videodev   35840  2 uvcvideo,compat_ioctl32
v4l1_compat17284  2 uvcvideo,videodev
hci_usb18460  2
rfcomm 38176  4
l2cap  23936  9 rfcomm
bluetooth  57124  7 hci_usb,rfcomm,l2cap
kvm_intel  39776  0
kvm   127464  1 kvm_intel
ipv6  288328  16
acpi_cpufreq   11792  1
cpufreq_conservative11784  0
cpu

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:21:06PM -0500, H.S. wrote:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > Then you should try mplayer playing movies in ascii on the console. :)
> Just did, awesome!
> 
> BTW, while playing an avi file in a console, trying to change to another
> console caused the computer to hang.

This is quite strange that it happens with mplayer in ascii art mode. It
could happen an _apparent_ hang when one uses mplayer in true graphic
mode in console (or any graphic mode console program) and then the
program is _brutally killed_ (dosemu old bugs anyone? dosemu
documantation should still have some racomendations for cases like this;
especially read the keyboard suggestions, even if with modern kernels
maig sysreq might be sufficient)

This might leave the video card in inconsistent state (this can also
happen with X using some low quality video drivers, especially
proprietary ones, and one switches from X to text mode). But behind the
unreadable video output the machine is still working, as one can see
from remote logins.

On i386 architecture a solution might be (and has been for me in all
cases where I needed something like this) remotely run a program (mode3?
I do not remenber the name) from svgalib-bin which accesses real-mode
registers in the vido card bios (or something like this) to restore a
sane video output. But be aware of the warnings that the man page
explains.

If and when a _real_ hang happens, use magic sysreq provided by the
kernel and not the reset button.

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Lachlan]

2008/11/13 Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories. Please don't add what you haven't really used
> (like I used to). More than piece can be given per category. Oh, and
> there's a couple of nice editions to last year's categories:
>
> audio editor: audacity
>
> audio player: mesk
>
> cd-ripper: sound-juicer
>
> desktop OR window manager: gnome, compiz
>
> DBMS: -
>
> development: moodevelop is the only IDE i've used
>
> disc burner: gnomebaker
>
> e-mail client: evolution
>
> file manager: nautilus
>
> finance: -
>
> ftp client: gftp
>
> games: freeciv
>
> image editor: gimp
>
> image viewer: gthumb
>
> instant messenger: emesene
>
> mathematics: gnome calculator
>
> misc utilities: jinzora
>
> p2p: deluge
>
> package manager: synaptic/aptitude
>
> pdf-reader: document viewer
>
> spreadsheet: open office
>
> tag editor: tagtool
>
> terminal emulator: gnome terminal
>
> text editor: gedit
>
> video player: totem/totem-xine
>
> web browser: epiphany
>
> word-processor: open office
>
> non-free: opera
>
>
>
> SPECIAL CATEGORIES
>
> anything unreleased and highly anticipated: not anything right now
>
> anything FLOSS deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): i love tag tool, 
> mesk, and most of the default gnome apps.
>
> any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
>
> any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you 
> insist):


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Re: Grub2 settings on dual boot (SOLVED)

[Thierry Chatelet]

Le Wednesday 05 November 2008 09:34:28 Brad Rogers, vous avez écrit :
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:01:46 +0100
> Thierry Chatelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Thierry,
>
> > I am wondering how and where to choose which OS will be chosen by
> > default on a dual boot machine running lenny and grub2.
>
> Alter /etc/default/grub and then update-grub

Sorry I have been so long, but the box wasn't mine. I finaly made it to their 
place. Use your approach and it worked fine. Thank you. For other people 
looking at the thread, dont forget after update-grub to got 
to /boot/grub/grub.cfg and correct the entry for w$ from (usually) root 
hd(0,0) to (0,1) as the bug in grub2 is still not solved.
Thanks again to all.
Thierry


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pam bug

[Dmitry Kischukov]

OS: debian etch

I have a large group. More 1000 users. Linux PAM not apply 
/security/limits.conf for some users.


in small group all work fine.


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Re: jpilot won't sync with Palm IIIe

[Mark Grieveson]

Well, I solved it.  Apparently this happens when the serial speed is
set too low.  So, after setting it at 115200, from 9600, and after
restarting my computer, it now syncs.  I discovered this tidbit at
Debian bug #396751.  So, anyway, all is well now, and I can now get
organized.  

Mark


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Re: minimal mirror for lenny net install

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:36:35AM -0600, Stackpole, Chris wrote:

> Not sure this is what you are looking for, but I use apt-cacher. It
> works really well. It only downloads the packages you request from it so
> you get the benefit of a local mirror, without having to actually host a
> full mirror. It can even support multiple Arch Repos so that I only have
> 1 apt-cacher system that serves for i386, AMD64, and IA64 for Etch,
> Lenny, and Sid (for me all of those arch/repos only take up 2.8GB). It
> has also been stable for a really long time so there are a ton of how-to
> guides out there (including several links on this list).

Looks nice and simple. Thanks.

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/11/13 Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories. Please don't add what you haven't really used
> (like I used to). More than piece can be given per category. Oh, and
> there's a couple of nice editions to last year's categories:
>
> audio editor:
>
> audio player: Amarok
>
> cd-ripper:
>
> desktop OR window manager: KDE
>
> DBMS:
>
> development: VIM
>
> disc burner: K3B
>
> e-mail client: Kmail / Thunderbird
>
> file manager: Konqueror
>
> finance:
>
> ftp client: Konqueror
>
> games:
>
> image editor: Gimp
>
> image viewer: Eye of Gnome
>
> instant messenger: Kopete
>
> mathematics: Maxima
>
> misc utilities: Zim! Zim!
>
> p2p:
>
> package manager: apt
>
> pdf-reader: Okular
>
> spreadsheet: OOo
>
> tag editor:
>
> terminal emulator: Konsole
>
> text editor: Kate
>
> video player: VLC
>
> web browser: Firefox
>
> word-processor: OOo
>
> non-free:
>
>
>
> SPECIAL CATEGORIES
>
> anything unreleased and highly anticipated:
>
> anything FLOSS deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): Zim! This personal 
> wiki is making my life more organized than it has ever been.
>
> any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian): KDE, 
> Ubuntu
>
> any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you 
> insist): Aaron Siego, Jaap Karssenberg, Linus Torvalds.
>
>
> --
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> floss-and-misc.blogspot.com
>
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Re: Ctrl key stuck? with every key press?

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/11/13 diane mittnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm using Debian Etch on a laptop with KDE (everything is stable
> version unless otherwise noted).  I've had problems in the past where
> some app would crash, or seg-fault (or possibly some other error would
> happen) and as a result, the screen saver wouldn't work, or the
> keyboard repeat would stop working, and I'd have to go into kcontrol
> to re-enable the keyboard repeat or re-enable the screensaver.  This
> hasn't happened anymore for quite a few months.  I recently intalled
> akregator for rss feeds.  It seg-faulted once when I was downloading
> feeds and it froze up (about 30-40 feeds).  After I restarted it, it
> worked normally.  Shortly thereafter (and it may not be related to
> akregator's seg-fault), I couldn't use the keyboard anymore, because
> every key press was resulting in a combo key press as if I was holding
> down the CTRL key (I wasn't).  So I couldn't type in a shell window
> (konsole), couldn't type a url in konqueror, couldn't click on the
> start button (the K icon on the kicker panel) to start any
> applications in the menu, I couldn't start an app via ALT-F2 because I
> couldn't type anything in the window, etc.  Every keypress was as if I
> was holding down the CTRL key during the other keypresses (pressing j
> would result in a newline in shell/konsole, pressing the tab button
> would change desktops as if it was a CTRL tab press, rotating the
> mouse wheel would change font sizing instead of scrolling, etc.).
>
> Anyone have a solution on how to fix this without restarting X (which
> is what I had to do after saving/downloading nearly a hundred open
> tabs, which wasn't easy considering I couldn't type anything and the
> delete key was erasing entire words instead of individual
> letters/spaces)?  I tried to find a setting in kcontrol that was
> related to CTRL always being pressed/activated, or some related
> settings in keyboard areas of kcontrol or locality settings, or
> shortcuts, etc.  I couldn't find any solution.
>
> Any help on this would be really appreciated in case it happens again.
>  Especially if it is related to akregator seg-faulting, as I finally
> joined the crowd and found how useful an rss reader is.  I'd like to
> continue using it, especially this particular one as it integrates
> with kde and uses libraries (and memory) already in use by other kde
> apps.
>
> tia for any help,
>
> Di.
>

Enable the Show Keyboard Status applet to ensure that you do not have
Sticky Keys enabled, or that for some other reason Ctrl is being held.
Note that pressing a modifier key 5 times in quick succession
activates Sticky Keys.

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Ctrl key stuck? with every key press?

[diane mittnik]

I'm using Debian Etch on a laptop with KDE (everything is stable
version unless otherwise noted).  I've had problems in the past where
some app would crash, or seg-fault (or possibly some other error would
happen) and as a result, the screen saver wouldn't work, or the
keyboard repeat would stop working, and I'd have to go into kcontrol
to re-enable the keyboard repeat or re-enable the screensaver.  This
hasn't happened anymore for quite a few months.  I recently intalled
akregator for rss feeds.  It seg-faulted once when I was downloading
feeds and it froze up (about 30-40 feeds).  After I restarted it, it
worked normally.  Shortly thereafter (and it may not be related to
akregator's seg-fault), I couldn't use the keyboard anymore, because
every key press was resulting in a combo key press as if I was holding
down the CTRL key (I wasn't).  So I couldn't type in a shell window
(konsole), couldn't type a url in konqueror, couldn't click on the
start button (the K icon on the kicker panel) to start any
applications in the menu, I couldn't start an app via ALT-F2 because I
couldn't type anything in the window, etc.  Every keypress was as if I
was holding down the CTRL key during the other keypresses (pressing j
would result in a newline in shell/konsole, pressing the tab button
would change desktops as if it was a CTRL tab press, rotating the
mouse wheel would change font sizing instead of scrolling, etc.).

Anyone have a solution on how to fix this without restarting X (which
is what I had to do after saving/downloading nearly a hundred open
tabs, which wasn't easy considering I couldn't type anything and the
delete key was erasing entire words instead of individual
letters/spaces)?  I tried to find a setting in kcontrol that was
related to CTRL always being pressed/activated, or some related
settings in keyboard areas of kcontrol or locality settings, or
shortcuts, etc.  I couldn't find any solution.

Any help on this would be really appreciated in case it happens again.
 Especially if it is related to akregator seg-faulting, as I finally
joined the crowd and found how useful an rss reader is.  I'd like to
continue using it, especially this particular one as it integrates
with kde and uses libraries (and memory) already in use by other kde
apps.

tia for any help,

Di.


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Re: jpilot won't sync with Palm IIIe

[Mark Grieveson]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:20:32 +0100
François Cerbelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mark Grieveson a écrit :
> > Jpilot won't sync with my Palm IIIe, which is a serial connection
> > pda.  Jpilot was working with a usb palm that I had, but this palm
> > broke.  
> > 
> > I entered the command "ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/pilot", and then
> > tried, via jpilot, to sync.  It did establish a sync connection,
> > but gave me the following error message:
> > 
> 
> Hi
> 
> Do you belong to the same unix group (dialout) than the /dev/ttyS0
> and /dev/jpilot belong ?
> 
> Francois

Yes.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ groups mark
mark : mark adm lp dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video
plugdev scanner shutdown

Mark


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Re: how to change date of system

[Ken Irving]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 05:30:58PM +, Aneurin Price wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:44 PM, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nye writes:
> >> How do you prevent both Linux and Windows from attempting to correct the
> >> time for DST, and ending up an hour out?
> >
> > Linux doesn't do that.
> 
> That's a bold statement. Could you clarify, as it sounds like you are saying
> that local time displayed in Linux is an hour out for half the year parts of
> the world that observe DST (at least for those who set their HW clock to
> local time), and I'm sure that's *not* what you mean. Possobly you just mean

Linux doesn't mess with the hardware clock at all, by default.  Instead,
it simply observes the local time rules, including daylight savings,
when displaying times or taking input.  Timestamps on the filesystem
are in UTC.

In contrast, Windows (by default) sets the hardware clock to local
time, so has to make daylight savings adjustments to the hardware clock.
Linux can accomodate this in a dual boot situation by being configured to
know that the hardware clock is set to local time (again, by Windows),
figuring out what the UTC time is, and then working as usual.

> that people sing local time should expect to change their clock manually for
> DST? That's not my experience anyway, unless I've explicitly told it not to
> make the adjustment, but it may have been done by some part of KDE or
> whatever I was using at the time.
> 
> >> Do you just tell one of them not to change the clock, and live with it
> >> being wrong until you boot into the other one?
> >
> > No.  Since Windows is incapable of dealing with UTC you put the BIOS clock
> > on local time and tell Linux that you have done so.  Linux then assumes
> > that the BIOS clock gives correct local time and that someone else is
> > taking care of DST.  This works as long as you boot Windows frequently
> > enough.
> 
> Although you say 'no', the elaboration sounds a lot like 'yes'. I can see no
> way that Linux could possibly know whether Windows has yet changed the clock
> or not (to know whether it needs to apply an offset to get the correct local

Linux just assumes that the hardware clock is set to local time, and
that the local time is corrrectly set (hence, the "as long as you boot
Windows frequently enough" part).

> time), and hence must assume that it has. This means that the time will be
> wrong until you boot into Windows, which is what I said. If I have
> misunderstood you, then I would appreciate being corrected.
> 
> -Nye

Ask away if it's still not clear.
 
> PS. Technically Windows is capable of understanding that the HW clock is set
> to UTC as god intended (Google RealTimeIsUniversal), and this appears to work
> just fine ... until some things start to act a bit *wierd*.

Yes, there has long been a setting in Windows to use UTC on the hardware
clock, but there are (or at least used to be) numerous application and/or 
system bugs that obviated its use.

Ken

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 06:02:24PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Firefox (which, incidentally, is the same application I absolutely need a
> mouse for)...

one can emulate mouse in X using the numeric pad of the keyboard. Many
years ago it was in "accessx", and then it got introduced in X proper,
and I have lost the name of that application.

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Re: Stic device naming with udev, help please

[Florian Kulzer]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:12:08 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Hopefully there is a udev guru on board.
> 
> I have two USB to RS232 dongles that seem to get their names swapped
> with every system restart (not often, but enough to make me search for
> a solution).  Both devices are the same and ID the same to lsusb:
> 
> Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 007 Device 005: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
> Bus 007 Device 004: ID 051d:0002 American Power Conversion Uninterruptible 
> Power Supply
> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 006 Device 003: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> 
> Since the vendor and device ID are identical, 067b:2303, is there a way
> to tell udev that the dongle on Bus 006 Device 003 should be ttyUSB0
> and the other on Bus 007 Device 005 should be ttyUSB1?  If so, I've not
> found the docs that describe this.

Try

udevinfo -a --name=/dev/usb/ttyUSB0 
udevinfo -a --name=/dev/usb/ttyUSB1 

These commands list all known attributes of the devices and of their
parent devices. The parent devices will have attributes which allow to
identify each dongle (for example ATTRS{busnum} and ATTRS{devnum} in the
usb subsystem). You can write a udev rule with the properties of a
device itself combined the properties of (only) one parent device: 

file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html#udevinfo

This should make it possible to find a combination of device and parent
attributes that is unique for each dongle.

It may even be the case that the devices themselves have properties that
can be used to distinguish them without having to refer to parent
devices, for example unique serial numbers.

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:48:39AM -0600, lee wrote:
> > I do not use spreadsheets but
> > 
> > apt-cache show sc
> 
> Well, have you tried sc?

As I said, I never used any spreadsheet (or word processor, for that
matter). I have seen once a person using excel,  and I decided that the
use of anything remotely resembling a spreadsheet is completely outside
my abilities and interests. 

[Above all is completely outside my interest the way in which
spreadsheets are used as calculators, databases, whawtever except
editors, since MS-word is the only existing application outside
MS-excel, in this stange MS-world of spreadsheets users]

> > apt-cache show bmv
> > apt-cache show fbi
> 
> Those are not pdf viewers.

Yes, they are and I use them. But I understand that I was no so clear.

One needs a previous conversion, which in case of fbi in integrated in
the script fbgs in the fbi package, and for bmv can be obtained with a
trivial script which calls pdf2dsc before bmv (I use pdf2dsc and not
pdf2ps or whatever for space and speed reasons)

(as "pdf viewer" I am interested in some screen-equivalent of looking at
a printed pdf. I have no need for more advanced features which might be
included in .pdf files)
  
> Have you ever used MS access?

no. I have also never seen it. And I have also always heard very bad
things about its native file format. (Even worser things than the .doc
format, from the easy of corruption point of view)

> There is no commandline substitute for
> that --- no GUI substitute either, unfortunately.

Once I heard about rekall. What happened to that application?

> try qalculate

no, thanks. It is a X application, I already a working non-X solution
for my needs. As you can see, I am non so flexible as you, or mybe I am
too old for this. 

But when I will personally meet a X user who needs a calculator, I will
say "try qalculate", and so I will see how it works without the pain to
have to use it myself.

PS: I have now seen (on sarge)

#  apt-get -udfq install qalculate
0 upgraded, 22 newly installed, 0 to remove and 33 not upgraded.
  [snip]
Need to get 2009kB/9997kB of archives.
After unpacking 37.7MB of additional disk space will be used.

so much space and so many (gnome) libraries for a calculator? That makes
sense only when one is a gnome user. And I expect that qalculate-kde
from etch makes sense only for kde users.

PS/2: gnuplot has also svgalib output.

> It's one of the applications that would be very hard to create and to
> use without a GUI.

I have now found with google that there are image manipulations programs
for dos (http://www.opus.co.tt/dave/indexall.htm lists some of them).
Even a gpl one [vp386], which unfortunately uses dos4gw and so it should
not work under dosemu.

> What is the console equivalent to gaim?

I do not know gaim, I cannot answer. But from what I see with "apt-cache
show gaim" I expect that the answer that somebody else has already given
makes sense.

> I tend to
> leave things running which I'm going to use again sooner or later
> anyway

me too, but in a very different way

> Did you look at the screenshots?

yes

> With lynx, the screen is mostly empty,
> and it's hard to figure out what you're looking at because the display
> is totally messed up.

evidently we have different ways to look at things. But it might simply
be that I have no idea of what to look for in a forum; I never had
reasons to be intersted in them.

> You can't even scroll,

What is scroll? If it is the horizontal analogue of Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p 
the you can enable it in lynx (first, turn word wrap off).

> the images are not
> displayed,

a very good thing for my needs

> and if you want to follow a link, you have to fumble your
> way through all the links from the top of the page until you finally
> get to the one you want to follow.

strange that an xterm user says that (search mouse in man lynx)

> That isn't exactly useable,

evidently is not usable for you, and I am not trying to change that.

> and it is not user friendly.
 
lynx is like many unixes and many humans: it selectively choses its friends.

Like it happens with humans, lynx friends might not be the best persons
in the world (I am surely _not_ a good person). But the important thing
is that everyone has the friends who are adequate for him.

> Icons are not annoying or useless most of the time.

well, we are discovering the important principle that different humans
have different opinions and different needs.
 
> Well, yes, it's a GUI ... Have you tried to run X applications without
> using a window manager?

yes. Hovever running them under ratpoison or evilwm (and then
inmediately Alt-Ctrl-x) is better since the apparence is the same but
the dimension of the window become correct (full screen except for a 1
pixel border. With icewm and pressing F11 one has real full screen
without borders, but I do not want the overhead of icewm). Without a
window manager the dimension of the window can be a problem (in some
rare case

postgresql or mysql for request-tracker on etch?

[Philip]

I'm currently rebuilding a request-tracker server at work.
Luckily I have some spare servers so I can build a new one and migrate
the off the old one when I'm ready.
The old one is a neglected and hacked about sarge box, which I want to
rebuild.  Luckily it's in a DMZ behind and behind a reverse proxy

Anyway, I have request-tracker3.6 running on the new box, and it's built
nicely using standard debian packages with no nasty hacks.  I've
practised importing the database off the old box (running 3.4) and it
all seems to work...

What would be really nice would be to move to a clustered database.  I
could have two instances of RT running and accessing the same database
on two database servers, but it doesn't seem that easy with RT.

Problems (my understanding of them)
1. etch has mysql 5.0.32.  this seems to support clustering but the
database has to be in ndb format.  Request-tracker uses innodb.
2. an ndb clustered database has to fit in memory.  our RT database is
5gig and the machines both have 2gig of memory

so, what about postgresql
does it support "clustering" like ndb, so you can get the same
read/write result which ever physical server you use?
if I switch from mysql to postgresql will I be able to convert the
existing database over?

currently I have a cron job that dumps the database from one box to the
other at night, so that the most that we can ever loose is 24 hours of
work, but it would be nice to have an immediate solution like telling
users to flip to https://box2/rt whilst I go and sort out what went
wrong with box1

any ideas would be appreciated

note that I'm a database newbie.  I just know enough to get RT working
and that's about it.

thanks, Philip



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Re: Poor Wine sound quality on Intel AC'97 (T41 laptop)

[Nate Bargmann]

* Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Nov 13 12:18 -0600]:
> On 2008-11-13 19:03 +0100, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> 
> > * Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Nov 07 19:36 -0600]:
> >> I'm trying to figure why the sound from WINE is poor to non-existant on 
> >> this laptop.  I am running Sid and ALSA with the latest kernel 2.6.26
> >> package and KDE.  Sound from KDE and Audacious is working well only
> >> WINE is not working. 
> >
> > Making sure that the snd-pcm-oss kernel module was loaded restored
> > sound via OSS emulation.  I have no idea why that isn't loading
> > automatically anymore. 
> 
> Have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500460.

Thanks!

- Nate >>

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mozilla seamonkey: SSL protocol has been disabled

[H.S.]

Hello,

Just now I tried to browse to yahoo mail web page and Mozilla Seamonkey
on Debian Testing reported something to the effect of "This page cannot
be loaded because SSL protocol has been disabled."

Never saw this before. I searched google and followed the steps on
Mozilla's web page that I got in the results. No luck.

Restarting Seamonkey got it working again.

However, I am a bit concerned about this hiccup in secure web page
browsing. Is my concern justified?
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Re: jpilot won't sync with Palm IIIe

[François Cerbelle]

Mark Grieveson a écrit :

Jpilot won't sync with my Palm IIIe, which is a serial connection
pda.  Jpilot was working with a usb palm that I had, but this palm
broke.  


I entered the command "ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/pilot", and then tried, via
jpilot, to sync.  It did establish a sync connection, but gave me the
following error message:



Hi

Do you belong to the same unix group (dialout) than the /dev/ttyS0 and 
/dev/jpilot belong ?


Francois


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Re: Poor Wine sound quality on Intel AC'97 (T41 laptop)

[Sven Joachim]

On 2008-11-13 19:03 +0100, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> * Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Nov 07 19:36 -0600]:
>> I'm trying to figure why the sound from WINE is poor to non-existant on 
>> this laptop.  I am running Sid and ALSA with the latest kernel 2.6.26
>> package and KDE.  Sound from KDE and Audacious is working well only
>> WINE is not working. 
>
> Making sure that the snd-pcm-oss kernel module was loaded restored
> sound via OSS emulation.  I have no idea why that isn't loading
> automatically anymore. 

Have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500460.

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Re: Need suggestions for internet messenger app

[Frank Steinborn]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:08:22AM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, but the really important thing is *webcam*. 
> Grandma has to be able to see those grandkids
> grow! ;)

aMSN is a MSN Messenger client that does webcam very well. I know that
MSN is not the protocol of choice for most people, but that would at
least be an option...

> TNX again!
> Dennis

HTH,
Frank


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Re: image problem

[Robert Holtzman]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Robert Robert wrote:


Hi all,
I tried to put with clonezilla an image of debian on a target disk. I keep 
getting a gpt_read() failed error. Any idea what is wrong ?


There is a clonezilla mailing list that's very helpful. You can get to 
it off their web site.


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Stic device naming with udev, help please

[Nate Bargmann]

Hopefully there is a udev guru on board.

I have two USB to RS232 dongles that seem to get their names swapped
with every system restart (not often, but enough to make me search for
a solution).  Both devices are the same and ID the same to lsusb:

Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 007 Device 005: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
Bus 007 Device 004: ID 051d:0002 American Power Conversion Uninterruptible 
Power Supply
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 003: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

Since the vendor and device ID are identical, 067b:2303, is there a way
to tell udev that the dongle on Bus 006 Device 003 should be ttyUSB0
and the other on Bus 007 Device 005 should be ttyUSB1?  If so, I've not
found the docs that describe this.

- Nate >>

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Re: small web browser

[green]

On Thu, 2008.11.13, 318, lee wrote:
> what's a good web browser that doesn't need so much memory?

You might want to check out midori (available in Sid), though I don't think it 
is really ready for use yet.  I hope to switch to midori eventually and leave 
behind all the Gecko junk for webkits.


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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 13 Nov 2008, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories. Please don't add what you haven't really used
> (like I used to). More than piece can be given per category. Oh, and
> there's a couple of nice editions to last year's categories:
> 
desktop OR window manager: icewm
ftp client: sitecopy
games: crafty
spreadsheet: gnumeric
text editor: vim
document-processor: LyX
any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you insist): 
Bram Moolenaar

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[John Hasler]

machiner writes:
> what's your favourite FLOSS?

I've been using some Johnson & Johnson "Reach" brand that the dentist gave
me recently, but I think that the "Equate" stuff from Walmart is just as
good.

I guess I don't have a favorite.
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Re: Poor Wine sound quality on Intel AC'97 (T41 laptop)

[Nate Bargmann]

* Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Nov 07 19:36 -0600]:
> I'm trying to figure why the sound from WINE is poor to non-existant on 
> this laptop.  I am running Sid and ALSA with the latest kernel 2.6.26
> package and KDE.  Sound from KDE and Audacious is working well only
> WINE is not working. 

Making sure that the snd-pcm-oss kernel module was loaded restored
sound via OSS emulation.  I have no idea why that isn't loading
automatically anymore. 

- Nate >>

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RE: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Juan Carlos Avila]

 
| Category  | |
|---+-|
| audio player  | |
| desktop OR window manager | gnome/fluxbox   |
| development   | |
| disc burner   | xcdroast|
| e-mail client | mutt|
| file manager  | mc  |
| ftp client| |
| mathematics   | xcalc   |
| misc utilities| |
| package manager   | apt |
| pdf-reader| xpdf|
| spreadsheet   | gnumeric|
| terminal emulator | mxrvt   |
| text editor   | Emacs   |
| video player  | mplayer |
| web browser   | iceweasel/links2|
| word-processor| abiword |
|---+-|


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RE: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Juan Carlos Avila]

 > -Mensaje original-
> De: lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Enviado el: Jueves, 13 de Noviembre de 2008 11:04 a.m.
> Para: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Asunto: Re: Very slim Desktop Manager
> 
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:58:46 -0200
> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > lee escreveu:
> > > [snip tons os comments on console vs. X11]
> > 
> > Do you really think this discussion is going anywhere?
> 
> It already did.

Yes. I have a lot of old hardware and now I have many ideas. I'm archiving
this thread, please, go on.


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Re: how to change date of system

[Aneurin Price]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:44 PM, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nye writes:
>> How do you prevent both Linux and Windows from attempting to correct the
>> time for DST, and ending up an hour out?
>
> Linux doesn't do that.
>

That's a bold statement. Could you clarify, as it sounds like you are saying
that local time displayed in Linux is an hour out for half the year parts of
the world that observe DST (at least for those who set their HW clock to
local time), and I'm sure that's *not* what you mean. Possobly you just mean
that people sing local time should expect to change their clock manually for
DST? That's not my experience anyway, unless I've explicitly told it not to
make the adjustment, but it may have been done by some part of KDE or
whatever I was using at the time.

>> Do you just tell one of them not to change the clock, and live with it
>> being wrong until you boot into the other one?
>
> No.  Since Windows is incapable of dealing with UTC you put the BIOS clock
> on local time and tell Linux that you have done so.  Linux then assumes
> that the BIOS clock gives correct local time and that someone else is
> taking care of DST.  This works as long as you boot Windows frequently
> enough.

Although you say 'no', the elaboration sounds a lot like 'yes'. I can see no
way that Linux could possibly know whether Windows has yet changed the clock
or not (to know whether it needs to apply an offset to get the correct local
time), and hence must assume that it has. This means that the time will be
wrong until you boot into Windows, which is what I said. If I have
misunderstood you, then I would appreciate being corrected.

-Nye

PS. Technically Windows is capable of understanding that the HW clock is set
to UTC as god intended (Google RealTimeIsUniversal), and this appears to work
just fine ... until some things start to act a bit *wierd*.


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Vbox -vs- OpenVZ?

[Dennis Wicks]

Greetings;

Just saw a mention of another interesting product; OpenVZ.

Has anybody done any comparison between VBox and OpenVZ?

Any opinions about which is better?

Many TIA!
Dennis


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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Bob Cox]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:48:39 -0600, lee ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 

[...]

> > apt-cache show bmv
> > apt-cache show fbi
> 
> Those are not pdf viewers.

I installed the fbi package and can confirm it definitely does display
pdf files.

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[H.S.]

Jochen Schulz wrote:

> 
> Then you should try mplayer playing movies in ascii on the console. :)
> 
> J.

Just did, awesome!

BTW, while playing an avi file in a console, trying to change to another
console caused the computer to hang. Had to restart gdm from another
machine (could connect via ssh though).


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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Teemu Likonen]

Fixed version:


| Category  | |
|---+-|
| audio player  | Amarok  |
| desktop OR window manager | KDE |
| development   | Emacs   |
| disc burner   | K3B |
| e-mail client | Emacs (M-x gnus)|
| file manager  | Konqueror   |
| ftp client| Konqueror   |
| mathematics   | Emacs (M-x calc)|
| misc utilities| Git (version control)   |
| package manager   | DPKG/APT|
| pdf-reader| Kpdf|
| spreadsheet   | Emacs (M-x orgtbl-mode) |
| terminal emulator | XTerm   |
| text editor   | Emacs   |
| video player  | MPlayer |
| web browser   | Iceweasel (Firefox) |
| word-processor| OpenOffice.org  |
|---+-|
| any organisation/community| Debian  |
| deserving great honours   | |
|---+-|
| any FLOSS developer deserving | Richard M. Stallman |
| great honours | Linus Torvals   |
|---+-|


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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Teemu Likonen]

| Category  | |
|---+-|
| audio player  | Amarok  |
| desktop OR window manager | KDE |
| development   | Emacs   |
| disc burner   | K3B |
| e-mail client | Emacs (M-x gnus)|
| file manager  | Konqueror   |
| ftp client| Konqueror   |
| mathematics   | Emacs (M-x calc)|
| misc utilities| Git (version control)   |
| package manager   | DPKG/APT|
| pdf-reader| Kpdf|
| spreadsheet   | Emacs (M-x orgtbl-mode) |
| terminal emulator | XTerm   |
| text editor   | Emacs   |
| video player  | MPlayer |
| web browser   | Iceweasel (Firefox) |
| word-processor| OpenOffice.org  |
|---+-|
| any organisation/community
| deserving great honours | Debian  |
|---+-|
| FLOSS developer deserving honours | Richard M. Stallman |
|   | Linus Torvals   |
|---+-|


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jpilot won't sync with Palm IIIe

[Mark Grieveson]

Jpilot won't sync with my Palm IIIe, which is a serial connection
pda.  Jpilot was working with a usb palm that I had, but this palm
broke.  

I entered the command "ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/pilot", and then tried, via
jpilot, to sync.  It did establish a sync connection, but gave me the
following error message:

dlp_ReadSysInfo error
Exiting with status SYNC_ERROR_PI_CONNECT
Finished

I've been able to sync with pilot-link, via the command line, but not
with jpilot.  I figure there must be some simple solution to this
(fixing the frontend), since the backend works.

So, if anyone has any suggestions, please shoot them my way.

Mark

PS, I have already queried the jpilot community, who are puzzled by
this (they feel it should just work).  So, I thought that perhaps this
had something to do with how jpilot works with Debian, that people
here could hopefully enlighten me to.

I'm using:  pilot-link 0.12.1-5, jpilot 0.99.9.2-1, Debian Etch
2.6.18-4-686.


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Re: small web browser

[elijah rutschman]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:59 AM, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> Dillo didn't work, I tried it. It's not even possible to get the fonts
> to a readable size ... And links2 shows text only in a totally messed
> up display, same as lynx.

For dillo, you can change the font size using a dillorc file.  Check
http://www.dillo.org/dillorc
links2 has to be started with the ' -g' flag to show graphics, and you
have to calibrate it the first time in order to display graphics
correctly. See http://links.twibright.com/calibration.html

-Elijah


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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories. Please don't add what you haven't really used
> (like I used to). More than piece can be given per category. Oh, and
> there's a couple of nice editions to last year's categories:

It's that time of year again? Time is just flying. I think I will have
to wait until Sunday to fill this all out, though.


Cheers,
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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[lee]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:58:46 -0200
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> lee escreveu:
> > [snip tons os comments on console vs. X11]
> 
> Do you really think this discussion is going anywhere?

It already did.


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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Jochen Schulz]

H.S.:
> François Cerbelle wrote:
> 
>> ImageMagick for altering the images and there are viewer in framebuffer
>> mode (fbi ?).
> 
> Installed and tried fbi on a console (CTRL+ALT+Fn). Wow! Got a kick out
> of displaying a jpeg image in the console ... and panning it, zooming, etc.

Then you should try mplayer playing movies in ascii on the console. :)

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Jochen Schulz]

NN_il_Confusionario:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 05:25:07AM -0600, lee wrote:
>>
>> and instant
>> messengers
> 
> i do not use them, but the first "instant messanger", talk on unix and
> phone on vax, is text based. There are many more, even with "modern"
> protocols.

Just to name two of them: irssi is an excellent IRC client and mcabber
is a great Jabber client.

BTW, I find your discussion quite interesting (although I started to
skip a few paragraphs). I could give up X anytime if it weren't for
Firefox (which, incidentally, is the same application I absolutely need a
mouse for)...

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:34:07 -0600
"elijah rutschman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dillo or links2 might be what you are looking for.  They are both
> low-memory footprint, graphical web-browsers.  I've used Dillo on a
> NetBSD machine that only had 16mb of RAM and it ran just fine.

Dillo didn't work, I tried it. It's not even possible to get the fonts
to a readable size ... And links2 shows text only in a totally messed
up display, same as lynx.


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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

lee escreveu:
> [snip tons os comments on console vs. X11]

Do you really think this discussion is going anywhere?

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[lee]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:46:56 +0100
NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 05:25:07AM -0600, lee wrote:
> > Well, maybe I should learn more about using framebuffer stuff
> 
> why? If you are satisfied with X, you have no real reasons.

It could be interesting and useful. I'm using X11 pretty much as if it
is a console that has extended features. You seem to have many of these
"extended features" without X11.
 
> > Yeah, like plan for a calender
> 
> I have no use for that (I have also no exact idea of what a "plan for
> a calendar" is),

apt-cache show plan

I started using it long ago and stick to it --- there are better
calendars now, but it always worked fine for me.

> > and spreadsheets
> 
> I do not use spreadsheets but
> 
> apt-cache show sc

Well, have you tried sc?

> > and pdf viewers
> 
> no. 
> 
> apt-cache show bmv
> apt-cache show fbi

Those are not pdf viewers.
 
> > and database interfaces
> 
> command line intefaces to database exist and are developed by the same
> developers of the databases (mysql, postgres, ...). I do not use
> databases.

Have you ever used MS access? There is no commandline substitute for
that --- no GUI substitute either, unfortunately.

> > (though
> > openoffice still sucks to the point of unusability in that)
> 
> the idea itself of a office suite sucks, and I have no use for it.

May the idea suck or not, it provides some features that can be very
useful. And the idea itself is not so bad, the problem is more the
implementation which isn't up to the idea.

> > and
> > calculators
> 
> bc
> dc

try qalculate ...

> > and image processing software (like gimp)
> 
> i do not use it (but I have seen it), and I agree that nothing of this
> kind has ever existed in linux, dos or whatever for the console.

It's one of the applications that would be very hard to create and to
use without a GUI.

> > and instant
> > messengers
> 
> i do not use them, but the first "instant messanger", talk on unix and
> phone on vax, is text based. There are many more, even with "modern"
> protocols.

What is the console equivalent to gaim?

> > and phone software.
> 
> I do not use them, but being audio (no video) I think that if and
> when a console developer will need it, it will be ported. Obviously I
> am not considering proprietary things.

Ok, "phone software" is a bit misleading --- ekiga can do audio and
video.

> > them, there might be a substitute that you can run on a console,
> > but it is so much easier to use the GUI application.
> 
> This is a very correct argument. It is the same as my argument, except
> that (1) in my argument console and X interchange their roles; (b) in
> your case you are equally able to use console and GUIs, and in my
> case I ame completely lost with GUIs 

Ah, now I see. I was thinking it's very restrictive having to use
consoles almost exclusively, but I'm mistaken. It doesn't restrict you,
and it's difficult for you to use a GUI instead --- like it would be
more difficult for me to use consoles.

> > ATM, I have 5 terminals open plus claws plus firefox plus plan plus
> > emacs, I'm logged in on two consoles and gnome-panel is running (to
> > provide a few icons, the dictionary plugin and a clock). Eventually
> > add gimp, gaim, gnumeric or openoffice, ekiga. How would I do that
> > with only 6 available consoles?
> 
> I do not do such things, and I am very happy in not having to do them.

You don't have to do something like that, but you could :) I tend to
leave things running which I'm going to use again sooner or later
anyway, instead of exiting a program and restarting it later. I find
that very convenient.

> you can use gnu screen in only one console

Hm, I should try that out.

> > See the attached screenshots, one is of lynx, the other
> > one is firefox, both showing the same forum.
> > Now which one is more useable/user friendly? 
> 
> lynx. Infinitely.

Did you look at the screenshots? With lynx, the screen is mostly empty,
and it's hard to figure out what you're looking at because the display
is totally messed up. You can't even scroll, the images are not
displayed, and if you want to follow a link, you have to fumble your
way through all the links from the top of the page until you finally
get to the one you want to follow. That isn't exactly useable, and it
is not user friendly.

> The first evident thing is colors. But one can configure both lynx and
> mozilla to use (and force) whatever colors one prefers (infact, this
> is one of the first things I do when I have to meet mozilla: edit
> preferences ... fonts and colors, and set a sane minumum dimension for
> fonts, and *force* a decent shaped font, and *force* colors like green
> [or white] on black)

Yeah, I do that too, for the fonts. Galeon had as default for the
minimum font size 4 pixel; I force web browsers to 16, sometimes 18.
Who can read a font that is 4 pixels tiny?

> The other evident thing is that lynx does not display annoing and
> us

image problem

[Robert Robert]

Hi all,
I tried to put with clonezilla an image of debian on a target disk. I keep 
getting a gpt_read() failed error. Any idea what is wrong ?
Thanks
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RE: minimal mirror for lenny net install

[Stackpole, Chris]

> From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:05 AM
> Subject: minimal mirror for lenny net install
> 
> Hi
> 
> I'd like to run a network installation setup on my LAN. With previous
> versions I could just take a Debian Installer CD (e.g.: the netinst)
and
> loopmount it to get the initial files. This provides me most of the
> required files.
> 
> The problem is that the installer CDs no longer contain signed images.
> I'd like to avoid any hacks with configuring a system to use unsigned
> sources as at least with Etch this affected the usability later on.
> 
> How do I make a compact partial Debian mirror? I don't have the extra
> disk space and network bandwidth[1] for a full mirror.
> 
> [1] Well, I do. But it would be a waste of time and disk space and
> complicate the setup. I want to have a mirror that contains all the
> packages in my default install, so I won't need to re-download them
from
> the Internet every time. But downloading a few gigs every once in a
> while to maintain the mirror is not something I want either.
> 
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Not sure this is what you are looking for, but I use apt-cacher. It
works really well. It only downloads the packages you request from it so
you get the benefit of a local mirror, without having to actually host a
full mirror. It can even support multiple Arch Repos so that I only have
1 apt-cacher system that serves for i386, AMD64, and IA64 for Etch,
Lenny, and Sid (for me all of those arch/repos only take up 2.8GB). It
has also been stable for a really long time so there are a ton of how-to
guides out there (including several links on this list).

There is also apt-proxy, but for me it didn't work nearly as well as
apt-cacher.


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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Thierry Chatelet]

Le Thursday 13 November 2008 13:18:26 Tshepang Lekhonkhobe, vous avez écrit :
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories. Please don't add what you haven't really used
> (like I used to). More than piece can be given per category. Oh, and
> there's a couple of nice editions to last year's categories:
>

> any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):

http://www.april.org/

It is an association that try to promote Floss to the europeen political 
people. Sorry it's in french right now.


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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[François Cerbelle]

Le Jeu 13 novembre 2008 13:18, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe a écrit :
> audio editor:
> audio player: rhythmbox
> cd-ripper:
> desktop OR window manager: LXDE
> DBMS: mysql
> development: gcc/g++/php/perl/bash
> disc burner: mkisofs/wodim
> e-mail client: mutt/icedove
> file manager: PCMan / Thunar
> finance: grisbi
> ftp client: scp/ssh
> games:
> image editor: TheGIMP/ImageMagick
> image viewer: eog(Eye of Gnome), gthumb, gimageview
> instant messenger: pidguin/irssi
> mathematics:
> misc utilities: jpilot
> p2p:
> package manager: aptitude
> pdf-reader: acroread (C.Marillat's Debian Multimedia repo)
> spreadsheet: OOo
> tag editor:
> terminal emulator: xfterm / screen
> text editor: vim
> video player: xfmedia
> web browser: iceweasel
> word-processor: OOo
> non-free: acroread/sun-java6-plugin/flashplugin-nonfree/mplayer/mencoder
video editor: cinelerra/manDVD/dvd-slideshow
monitoring: gkrellm
volume manager: LVM2
disaster recovery: mondo
backup: rsync
boot loader: grub2 / splashy

> SPECIAL CATEGORIES
> anything unreleased and highly anticipated:
> anything FLOSS deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): linux/gcc
> any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
debian
> any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you
> insist): every OSS developper for their work

You should use the debian popcon site : http://popcon.debian.org/

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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 03:21:34PM +0100, François Cerbelle  wrote:
> You should try Tetrinet ;-) A Networked multiplayer Tetris ! ;-)

I am not so good at tetris, so the other players would be bored.
 
> >> and image processing software (like gimp)
> > i do not use it (but I have seen it), and I agree that nothing of this
> > kind has ever existed in linux, dos or whatever for the console.
> 
> ImageMagick for altering the images and there are viewer in framebuffer
> mode (fbi ?).

Yes, there are console tools for a non-visual, non-interactive image
manipulation (and tools to view images), and they are often used for
batch processing (above all on servers). But to my knowlwdge no tool for
interactive, visual image manipulation. Except perhaps old shareware for
dos which could be run under dosemu (under i386/amd64; I have not tried
graphics under dosbox under powerpc, only some text based midi
sequencers).
 
> "Il n'y a pas de meilleur outil que celui avec
> lequel on est habitué à travailler"

wonderfully wise

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[machiner]

Hello,

 audio editor:
 
 audio player: vlc
 
 cd-ripper: sound-juicer
 
 desktop OR window manager: Xfce4
 
 DBMS:
 
 development:
 
 disc burner: Brasero
 
 e-mail client: claws-mail
 
 file manager: 
 
 finance:
 
 ftp client: gftp
 
 games: Nexuiz
 
 image editor:
 
 image viewer: 
 
 instant messenger: Pidgin
 
 mathematics:
 
 misc utilities: too many to list
 
 p2p:
 
 package manager: aptitude
 
 pdf-reader: xpdf
 
 spreadsheet:
 
 tag editor:
 
 terminal emulator: roxterm
 
 text editor: nano, mousepad
 
 video player: mplayer
 
 web browser: 
 
 word-processor:
 
 non-free: Opera

> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories. Please don't add what you haven't really used
> (like I used to). More than piece can be given per category. Oh, and
> there's a couple of nice editions to last year's categories:
> 
> audio editor:
> 
> audio player:
> 
> cd-ripper:
> 
> desktop OR window manager:
> 
> DBMS:
> 
> development:
> 
> disc burner:
> 
> e-mail client:
> 
> file manager:
> 
> finance:
> 
> ftp client:
> 
> games:
> 
> image editor:
> 
> image viewer:
> 
> instant messenger:
> 
> mathematics:
> 
> misc utilities:
> 
> p2p:
> 
> package manager:
> 
> pdf-reader:
> 
> spreadsheet:
> 
> tag editor:
> 
> terminal emulator:
> 
> text editor:
> 
> video player:
> 
> web browser:
> 
> word-processor:
> 
> non-free:
> 
> 
> 
> SPECIAL CATEGORIES
> 
> anything unreleased and highly anticipated:
> 
> anything FLOSS deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC):
> 
> any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
> 
> any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you 
> insist):
> 
> 


On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:18:26 +0200
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Re: crash recovery

[tyler]

Michael Iatrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> When the date was Wednesday 12 November 2008, tyler wrote:
>
>>
>> I just experienced a complete freeze of my laptop - amarok was stuck
>> looping through the same second of music from an online stream, and the
>> keyboard and mouse stopped responding completely. The screen appeared
>> fixed, viewing an xpdf window. I couldn't even switch to a terminal to
>> poke around there, as  C-A-F1 etc. didn't respond.
>>
>> I'm running Lenny with fluxbox, and had just done an aptitude update. I
>> don't recall anything heavy, about 40 packages including iceweasel. I
>> had also just plugged in to the wall socket after running on battery
>> power for several hours.
>>
>> I have checked /var/log/Xorg0.log.old, and the only EE messages are:
>
> You should also check the other important log files 
> (/var/log/{messages,syslog} etc)

I just found this thread, which may or may not be related:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/10/msg01532.html

I'm running Lenny with the 2.6.26-1-686 kernel, and the thread above
suggests these problems might be solved in 2.6.27. Corrections, or
suggestions for fixes until 2.6.27 makes it's way into testing, welcome!

Tyler

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Re: Need suggestions for internet messenger app

[Thierry Chatelet]

Le Thursday 13 November 2008 16:17:47 H.S., vous avez écrit :
> Dennis Wicks wrote:
> > H.S. wrote the following on 11/12/2008 11:17 PM:
> >> Dennis Wicks wrote:
> >>> Greetings;
> >>>
> >>> I have installed Ayttm and Pidgin and both work OK except they don't
> >>> support microphone/speaker or webcam.
> >
> > ^
> >
> >>> Does anyone know of messenger/chat programs that do? Also
> >>> need to work on Yahoo network.
> >>>
> >>> I'm running lenny/gnome.
> >>>
> >>> Many TIA!
> >>>
> >>> Dennis
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions, but the really important thing is *webcam*.
> > Grandma has to be able to see those grandkids
> > grow! ;)
>
> hmm ... I haven't tried it but it looks like one of the forks or a new
> version of pidgin supports webcams on Yahoo messenger. I have read
> somewhere that kopete messenger also supports that.
>
> Skype supports webcam out of the box IIRC.
>
> And if I am not mistaken, so does Ekiga.
>
> Sorry, cannot conform this since I do not use a webcam.
>
> Good luck.
>
> > I guess I'll have to resort to running VBox and Windows, if that will
> > work.
> >
> > TNX again!
> > Dennis
>
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> ever having been read.

Did not try skype, but as far as Ekiga goes, it is very touchy on webcam 
resolution, ie ekiga does not work with mine. Kopete is OK for the webcam. 
The laptop's internal mike isnt working with any of the above, but external 
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Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[H.S.]

François Cerbelle wrote:

> 
> ImageMagick for altering the images and there are viewer in framebuffer
> mode (fbi ?).

Installed and tried fbi on a console (CTRL+ALT+Fn). Wow! Got a kick out
of displaying a jpeg image in the console ... and panning it, zooming, etc.

I have been using Linux for the past eight or so years and I am still
amazed at the nifty features and tools it provides. Linux rocks!

Oh, you also mentioned screen further down. I discovered it relatively
recently. What a tool! Has proved indispensable while working remotely.

Regards.
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[H.S.]

Dennis Wicks wrote:
> H.S. wrote the following on 11/12/2008 11:17 PM:
>> Dennis Wicks wrote:
>>> Greetings;
>>>
>>> I have installed Ayttm and Pidgin and both work OK except they don't
>>> support microphone/speaker or webcam.
> ^
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of messenger/chat programs that do? Also
>>> need to work on Yahoo network.
>>>
>>> I'm running lenny/gnome.
>>>
>>> Many TIA!
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions, but the really important thing is *webcam*.
> Grandma has to be able to see those grandkids
> grow! ;)

hmm ... I haven't tried it but it looks like one of the forks or a new
version of pidgin supports webcams on Yahoo messenger. I have read
somewhere that kopete messenger also supports that.

Skype supports webcam out of the box IIRC.

And if I am not mistaken, so does Ekiga.

Sorry, cannot conform this since I do not use a webcam.

Good luck.


> I guess I'll have to resort to running VBox and Windows, if that will work.
> 
> TNX again!
> Dennis
> 
> 


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Re: crash recovery

[tyler]

Michael Iatrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> When the date was Wednesday 12 November 2008, tyler wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just experienced a complete freeze of my laptop - amarok was stuck
>> looping through the same second of music from an online stream, and the
>> keyboard and mouse stopped responding completely. The screen appeared
>> fixed, viewing an xpdf window. I couldn't even switch to a terminal to
>> poke around there, as  C-A-F1 etc. didn't respond.
>>
>> I'm running Lenny with fluxbox, and had just done an aptitude update. I
>> don't recall anything heavy, about 40 packages including iceweasel. I
>> had also just plugged in to the wall socket after running on battery
>> power for several hours.
>>
>> I have checked /var/log/Xorg0.log.old, and the only EE messages are:
>
> You should also check the other important log files 
> (/var/log/{messages,syslog} etc)

Well, it happened again, almost identical circumstances - reading a pdf
using xpdf, listening to amarok, plugging in the power cord, then
freeze. Here's the syslog from the 30 minutes prior to the first crash
yesterday:

Nov 12 13:04:45 blackbart -- MARK --
Nov 12 13:17:01 blackbart /USR/SBIN/CRON[25921]: (root) CMD (   cd / && 
run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
Nov 12 13:44:45 blackbart -- MARK --
Nov 12 14:04:45 blackbart -- MARK --
Nov 12 14:17:01 blackbart /USR/SBIN/CRON[26166]: (root) CMD (   cd / && 
run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
Nov 12 14:22:37 blackbart acpid: client connected from 32114[106:107] 
Nov 12 14:25:32 blackbart acpid: client has disconnected 
Nov 12 14:33:51 blackbart syslogd 1.5.0#5: restart.

And here's what I have immediately prior to today's crash (duplicate
DHCP lines snipped out):

Nov 13 10:01:17 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 
port 67 interval 6
[snip]
Nov 13 10:02:18 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:02:18 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - 
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:09:25 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 
port 67 interval 8
[snip]
Nov 13 10:10:26 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:10:26 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - 
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:17:01 blackbart /USR/SBIN/CRON[24707]: (root) CMD (   cd / && 
run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
Nov 13 10:17:42 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 
port 67 interval 5
[snip]
Nov 13 10:18:43 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:18:43 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - 
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:21:54 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 
port 67 interval 6
[snip]
Nov 13 10:22:55 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:22:55 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - 
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:25:51 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 
port 67 interval 6
[snip]
Nov 13 10:26:52 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:26:52 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - 
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:34:38 blackbart syslogd 1.5.0#5: restart.

I don't know why dhcp was trying to get a lease on ath0, as I was
connected via eth0. The fact that the crash seems to be related to the
power source suggests either a hardware problem or an acpi problem
though... I'll try and reproduce it. Any more ideas?

Thanks,

Tyler
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