Re: Why aptitude is sometimes slow inside xen domU ?

[Javier Barroso]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Olivier B.  wrote:

>
>
> Javier Barroso-3 wrote:
> >
> > My aptitude is very slow when it is running inside domU:
> > aptitude take 3 minutes on:
> > Writing extended state information... 67%
>
> Hi,
>
> I have same problem on a fresh Lenny Dom0/DomU setup.
>
> Do you find where was the problem for you ?

No, I didn't

It is possible this issue is related with apt/sources.list and extra repos
(I remember memory-cache problems whith this). I can't remember now in wich
mv it happened, so I'm not sure about his sources.list content.

How could we replicate this issue without aptitude (writing many files in
very short time ?)?

Regards

Re: [OT] Name of new testing?

[Thierry Chatelet]

On 16 February 2009 08:17:09 Chris Burkhardt wrote:
> Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> > Does any one know the name after Lenny?
>
> Squeeze
> ns>
>
> - Chris B

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Re: [OT] Name of new testing?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-02-16 07:45 +0100, Thierry Chatelet wrote:

> Does any one know the name after Lenny?

It is "Squeeze".

Sven


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Re: [OT] Name of new testing?

[Chris Burkhardt]

Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> Does any one know the name after Lenny?

Squeeze


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Re: upgrade to lenny report

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-02-15 23:59 +0100, Pavlos Parissis wrote:

> This morning I upgraded my etch desktop to lenny.
> All went ok but with 3 small issues.
>
> 1) Exim was refusing to start up due to no zero size on the paniclog file.
> The file was reporting a configuration error on specific line, but not on the 
> config
> file that I use. Removing the lines from the paniclog made the exim4 to be 
> started
> again

How old was that paniclog file?  It may or may not be related to the
upgrade.

> 2) X couldn't be start up due to a missing nv driver.  xserver-xorg-video-nv 
> was not
> installed during the upgrade. I need to check the upgrade log to find out 
> why, I use script for
> capturing the upgrade.

Please do that and file a bug report against the upgrade-reports
pseudopackage.

> 3) The gdm login screen is a bit more left that it should be.
> I don't have that issue inside Gnome. I haven't managed to solve that one.
>
> I use fb driver during boot in order to have 1280x1024 resolution at console.
> When I configured fb.modes file (1 year ago), I hacked a bit the 1280x1024-60 
> mode
> because the screen was a bit to left. Inside Gnome I have 1280x1024 at 75.
>
> Since the problem at GDM login screen matched the problem at the console, I 
> thought
> that I could change the boot line at grub to use video=nvidiafb:1280x1...@75. 
> But,
> after the boot fbset -s says 1280x1024-60 and GDM login screen is still a bit 
> to
> left.

The nvidiafb module has always been a mystery to me, it seems to be
completely undocumented.  Perhaps uvesafb might be worth a try?  It will
be considerably slower than nvidiafb, though.

Sven


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[OT] Name of new testing?

[Thierry Chatelet]

Does any one know the name after Lenny?


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Re: Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[Michael Pobega]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:24:50AM -0600, John W Foster wrote:
> I want to clean up my system as best I can. I have installed the
> gtkorphan and deborphan for this purpose. My question is will these ONLY
> remove .deb installed libs. I have several non-debian apps that I use
> and do NOT want to remove libs that they require. Any suggestions??
> Thanks!

Deborphans job is to check for orphaned Debian packages, and to my
understanding that doesn't include packages compiled from source. When
it comes to those you may want to apt-pin them and mark them as
irremovable -- then when you use Deborphan it should skip over the
pinned libs.

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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[H.S.]

T o n g wrote:

> You implication seems to be "Debian is not secure enough", but my conclusion
> from above incident is quite the opposite from yours -- Debian is *amazingly*
> secure.
> 
> If a Windoze PC is taken over by someone or some new malware that no
> existing anti-virus software can detect, how soon can a normal Windows user
> notice it? how soon can a experienced Windows admin, who is not working on
> the box notice it? Make a rough guess and read the aforementioned intrusion
> incident in Debian again. I don't know about you, but I was totally amazed
> that two Debian admins in two different corners of the world noticed the
> sign of intrusion at the first moment!
> 

Yup, totally agree. Truly remarkable.

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Re: -- SPAM -- rc.local is not executed

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 03:24:47PM -0800, Mike McClain wrote:
> root@/deb40a:~> grep -R rc.local /etc/*
> only shows the call in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh that I put there to 
> call my /root/bin/rc.local and the contents of the above mentioned
> /etc/rc.local that I just generated which doesn't get executed.

And if a new version of "/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh" is installed, your
edits will be overwritten or if the files in /etc/init.d/ get the 
same treatment as config files when the package is being upgraded, you
will still have to manually merge your changes. There is no merge
option. :( 

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Re: "On battery power, so skipping file system check" when in AC power

[Chris Bannister]

Sorry Virgo for not replying to your OP, as I've already deleted it.

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:03:56PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Virgo Pärna wrote:
> > Does anyone else also receives "On battery power, so skipping file 
> > system check" 
> > warning, when starting up a laptop with AC power connected? Especially in 
> > Lenny.
> > 
> fine on Thinkpad T60p.
> johannes

r...@box:~# zless /usr/share/doc/powermgmt-base/changelog.gz
powermgmt-base (1.30+nmu1) unstable; urgency=low

  * NMU
  * on_ac_power: Use /sys/class/power_supply on 2.6.25+ systems where
/proc/acpi/ac_adaptor is no longer present. Closes: #473629
(Patch by Vefa Bicakci.)

 -- Joey Hess   Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:27:22 -0400

Ooops, a typo in the changelog.gz!!! It *should* be
"/proc/acpi/ac_adapter", at least on this system it is.

Hopefully, that error hasn't propagated into the code, or the patch is
useless!!! 

r...@box:~# apt-cache policy powermgmt-base
powermgmt-base:
  Installed: 1.30+nmu1
  Candidate: 1.30+nmu1
  Version table:
 *** 1.30+nmu1 0
990 http://debian.attica.net.nz lenny/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

IOW, does "apt-get install powermgmt-base" fix it?

If not bug #473629 may need to be reopened, but alas, maybe to late for
Lenny.

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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[T o n g]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:48:37 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

> Anyway, twice in the past few years, Debian servers have been
> compromised.  One time it was thru a weak DD user password,

You implication seems to be "Debian is not secure enough", but my conclusion
from above incident is quite the opposite from yours -- Debian is *amazingly*
secure.

If a Windoze PC is taken over by someone or some new malware that no
existing anti-virus software can detect, how soon can a normal Windows user
notice it? how soon can a experienced Windows admin, who is not working on
the box notice it? Make a rough guess and read the aforementioned intrusion
incident in Debian again. I don't know about you, but I was totally amazed
that two Debian admins in two different corners of the world noticed the
sign of intrusion at the first moment!

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Re: ALSA devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

[T o n g]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:33:05 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:

> [ snip: You checked all the usual suspects already; I did not notice
>   anything that gave me a clue what is going on. ]

Thank you Florian for your reply.

>> But I can't go any further via googling. E.g., among many other
>> tryings, following Florian Kulzer's advice on merely unloading and
>> reloading the modules didn't work for me:
>> 
>>   % modprobe -r snd_via82xx snd_pcm snd_seq FATAL: Module snd_pcm is in
>>   use.
> 
> In that case you have to remove the module that uses snd_pcm (probably
> snd_pcm_oss) before you can remove snd_pcm.
> 
>>   % modprobe snd_via82xx
>>   % modprobe snd_seq
> 
> There is some problem with the driver, therefore it is important to have
> more details about what is going on when the modules are loaded. Try to
> unload all snd* modules so that "lsmod | grep snd" returns no output.
> (If this is not possible then you should find out which modules are the
> blockers to help isolate the problem.)
> 
> If you can unload all sound modules, run
> 
> modprobe -v snd_via82xx snd_pcm_oss snd_seq
> 
> as root and post the output here.

Done as you suggested. Here are the results:

  # modprobe -r snd_via82xx gameport snd_ac97_codec ac97_bus snd_pcm 
snd_page_alloc snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event snd_rawmidi 
snd_seq snd_timer snd_seq_device snd soundcore

  # lsmod | grep snd

  # modprobe -v snd_via82xx snd_pcm snd_seq
  FATAL: Error inserting snd_via82xx 
(/lib/modules/2.6.26-grml/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via82xx.ko): Unknown symbol in 
module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

  # dmesg | tail -1
  [47924.339972] snd_via82xx: Unknown parameter `snd_pcm'

  # modprobe -v snd_via82xx
  install /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-via82xx  && { 
/lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-via82xx ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq ; }
  insmod /lib/modules/2.6.26-grml/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via82xx.ko index=0

  # modprobe -v snd_pcm

  # modprobe -v snd_seq

  $ cat /dev/sndstat
  Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.16 emulation code)
  Kernel: Linux helios.selfip.org 2.6.26-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Nov 26 
21:41:43 UTC 2008 i686
  Config options: 0

  Installed drivers: 
  Type 10: ALSA emulation

  Card config: 
  VIA 8237 with AD1980 at 0xc800, irq 22

  Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

  Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

  Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

  Timers:
  31: system timer

  Mixers: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

  $ ls /dev/dsp
  ls: cannot access /dev/dsp: No such file or directory

I.e., the problem is still the same. 

Also, as posted in another message, I tried 

  % dpkg --force-depends --purge alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils libasound2 
libesd-alsa0 linux-sound-base

  % aptitude install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils libasound2 libesd-alsa0 
linux-sound-base

and the problem is still the same as well.

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Re: radeonhd on R5xx based card + dri very slow

[Amit Uttamchandani]

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:14:36 +0100
Thomas Preud'homme  wrote:

[snip]

> 
> glxgears
> 1008 frames in 5.0 seconds = 201.471 FPS
> 1226 frames in 5.0 seconds = 245.142 FPS
> 1237 frames in 5.0 seconds = 247.393 FPS
> 1236 frames in 5.0 seconds = 247.034 FPS
> 
> If I play a game or a 3D screensaver it's awfully slow as expected.
> 
> Did I misunderstand something about the configuration ?
> 
> Why is it so slow ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Thomas Preud'homme

Are the xorg and drivers that you installed from experimental? I had to
install all these packages from experimental in order to get a fully
functional set up. Also, the mesa packages need to be compatible with
the driver you are using. This means, the latest 3D drivers usually use
the latest mesa libraries.

Also is your graphics card compatible with the 'radeon' driver? I've
had more success with that.

Good luck,
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Re: [OT] Friday the 13th

[Marc Shapiro]

Celejar wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:13:15 -0800
Marc Shapiro  wrote:


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 03:16:49PM +, Avi Greenbury wrote:

Marc Shapiro wrote:

Jack Schneider wrote:
 We are probably the only entities in the universe who spend so much

energy keeping track of the number of times our planet spins.
How bazaar!

Or, "how bizarre."  "Bazaar" goes with 'The Cathedral and the."

Sorry to nitpick, but I could resist.

What's the name of that law that states that any post pointing out  
someone's mistake will always include a typo of its own?

Avi,

Are you referring to my mismatched single and double quotes?  Or is 
there something else that I am not seeing?


You wrote "could resist" rather than "couldn't resist".

Ah!  I missed it when I wrote the post, and again, when you commented. 
We are always our own worst proofreaders.


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Re: Upgrading to Lenny & 2.6.26: serverworks OSB4 IDE problem

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

Tim Day wrote:

I have an old dual-P3 Intel STL2 motherboard has been running Etch no
problem (2.6.18 kernel) for ages.
It has an IDE drive (root filesystem and swap, and it boots off it)
(/dev/hda on Etch) and a CD-ROM on the single IDE connector on the
motherboard, and a couple of big SATA drives hanging of some PCI-X card
(/dev/sda and /dev/sdb on Etch).

I upgraded it to lenny following the instructions (yes, setting
LABEL=rootfilesys on /dev/dha1 and changing /boot/grub/menu.lst
appropriately etc) but the 2.6.26 kernel seems to be completely ignorant
of the IDE devices and I just get the "Waiting for root filesystem..."
message.  (It can clearly see the SATA drives though).

I can boot back into 2.6.18 no problem (and now via the
LABEL=rootfilesys mechanism).


Alternatively, you can try the UUID= for mounting the 
drive. Another option is to specify the names as sda, sdb, etc.


You can check the output of `tune2fs -l' to determine the necessary 
parameters like label, UUID, etc.




In 2.6.18,
  dmesg | grep -i ide
lists (edited for relevance):
  Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
  ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus...
  SvrWks OSB4: IDE controller at PCI slot :00:0f.1
ide0: BM-DMA at 0x14c0-0x14c7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb: DMA
ide0: BM-DMA at 0x14c0-0x14c7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb: DMA
  Probing IDE interface ide0...
  id0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
  Probing IDE interface ide1...

But 2.6.26 only says
  Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver
  ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus...
  SvrWks OSB4: IDE controller (0x1166,0x0211 rev 0x00) at PCI slow
:00:0f.1
  Serverworks_IDE: probe of :00:0f.1 failed with error -16
And once it drops me to the prompt, all I see is the SATA drives.

I'm a bit out of my depth here

My original assumption was that I'd somehow run foul of the hd*/sd*
renaming issue the release notes make a big deal out of, but the fact my
old 2.6.18 kernel is booting just fine via the new kopts
root=LABLEL=rootfilesys stuff seems to indicate this isn't the case.
Now I'm thinking that the new kernel simply doesn't like my IDE
hardware.  Can anything be done about this ?  I tried adding
  ide0=0x1f0,0x3f6,14
on the kernel command line (based on where 2.6.18 found it); it didn't
make any difference but I later found something at kerneltrap.org
suggesting ide*=... options had been removed by 2.6.26.

Please, any suggestions for how to get the system onto 2.6.26 gratefully
received!

Thanks
Tim






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tools to get a mirror of modem/router configuration

[H.S.]

Hello,

I vaguely recall that we can somehow "copy" or mirror the configuration
interface (accessible via a browser) of a modem or a router to a local
hard disk. This can be then browsed from that saved copy. Anybody know
if we have tools or packages in Debian to do so?

The objective is to 'mirror' the configuration of a modem so that I can
walk the user through the configuration steps whenever need be (I can
click through the interface on my copy and the user will be browsing his
modem's actual interface).

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Re: Wich e-mail server to choose?

[Paul Cartwright]

On Sun February 15 2009, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> The first three lines of the "dpkg -l" output tell you what the
> abbreviations mean. The ASCII art lines of pipes and slashes indicate
> which information is at each position (first "desired", then "status",
> then "error") and the capitalized letters point out how each possible
> value is abbreviated.

I thought the significance was the "n7".. srry I missed that. So it isn't "rc" 
it is r=removed c=config, meaning I didn't purge that package.

when I do an apt-cache search , sometines I see rc, and just thougth it was 
removed packages.
thanks !
>
> A Package with "rc " has "Desired=Remove", "Status=Cfg-files" and no
> errors (since there is no third letter). This means that you had the
> package installed at some point, that you then removed it without
> purging the configuration files, and that there were no problems
> encountered during the removal.



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Re: Happy lenny, everyone!

[Andrew Malcolmson]

Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:

I know most Debian users think that only testing is suitable for this
"desktop use", but my family members use stable for all their needs,
so the lenny release has me very happy that I can now give them an
upgrade to their experience.

Happy lenny release, everyone! Almost 22 months since last release,
and there are many good reasons to be happy with it.

- Jordi G. H.


Nice new graphic at debian.org.  Looks good, and the first noticable 
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Re: Detecting a compromised system

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 18:06:55 Nikolaus Rath wrote:
> But why do I need to make an explicit
> snapshot of the system if all debian packages already contain the
> necessary information?

This information is tool-specific.  It doesn't belong in the package.  One 
Debian tool, debsums, does occasionally get it's version of this information 
shipped with the packages.  But, not all of them (the packages) do.  It's up 
to the packager to ship debsums or not, AFAIK.

Sure, you could byte-by-byte compare against the file extracted from the .deb, 
but the .deb isn't retained (too long) after installation.

> Is there no tool available that makes use of
> it?

debsums will make use of debsums-information in the packages, generate 
debsums-information for packages that don't have it (either as they are 
installed or afterwards), and verify the state of packages based on debsums-
information.  It does not concern itself with files that are not recorded in 
the dpkg database.

It's also possible to use apt (or dpkg??) hooks to update other tools at 
installation/deinstallation time, but that might undermine the intent behind 
the tools.  (An attacker can do whatever they want as long as they do it as a 
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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[H.S.]

Ron Johnson wrote:

> 
> *Maybe* not on Debian, since Debian users *tend* to be more

Yup, I agree.

> sophisticated, but what's to stop Joe Wannabe from doing this?
> 
> $ sudo dpkg -i NakedBrittany.deb

This is more likely since some of the present day popular packages are
commonly downloaded as debs and installed (Skype, brand new versions of
Openoffice.org).

To me, it looks like the only viable solution is to go for only open
source stuff which is hosted on the distro's official mirrors (Debian,
Ubuntu) where the packages are signed. Any departure from this is just
inviting Average Joe to cause trouble.


> 
> Anyway, twice in the past few years, Debian servers have been
> compromised.  One time it was thru a weak DD user password, and the
> other thru a poorly-working (official) Debian patch to ssh. (Or was it
> SSL?)  That last one caused more than a minor ruckus.
> 

It was SSL. I think it is described here:
http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571

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Re: backports keyring

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 18:46:42 Robert Holtzman wrote:
> Tried "apt-get install debian-backports-keyring" and got the message
>
> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
>debian-backports-keyring
> Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
>
> I terminated at that point. Can anyone tell me what the problem is (yeah,
> I know, the problem is it can't be authenticated. Now that we have that
> out of the way.) and if there is a solution?

All the signatures that are used to verify the all backports.org repositories 
are generated based on the key in that package, including the files that would 
authenticate that package.

It's a chicken<->egg problem.  The backports.org site has alternate 
instructions involving direct application of gpg/apt-key to get you the 
correct key before you install any package.

I just install that one untrusted package before installing anything else.  (I 
know this isn't entirely safe, but it's not actually more dangerous than the 
other options.)

(I'm a bit surprised that you have that package -- I couldn't find it in my 
lenny-backports mirror.)
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Re: Detecting a compromised system

[Nikolaus Rath]

"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."  writes:
> On Sunday 15 February 2009 13:06:29 Nikolaus Rath wrote:
>> I expected that it would be pretty easy to spot these modifications.
>> So I did exactly the above and then tried to "detect" my changes.
>>
>> I first looked for any additional packages that might help me with
>> this and installed (and configured to the best of my knowledge)
>> checksecurity and tiger.
>
> Most security audit tools actually depend on being able to inventory
> the system before an attack. Installing them after you are 'sploited
> doesn't help.
>
> Try installing them, then making a change that's not detectable.

Generally, you're right. But why do I need to make an explicit
snapshot of the system if all debian packages already contain the
necessary information? Is there no tool available that makes use of
it? This would also eliminate the need to make a new system snapshot
after each security upgrade. 

Best,


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Re: Lenny?

[Charlie]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Guillermo Garron engaged keyboard and shared this with us 
all:
>--} Aptitude is the preferred package manager since
>--} > at least Etch.

Thank you both for the advice. I used synaptic and it only removed one package 
and upgraded and installed a couple of packages that were required and 
upgraded the rest.

Thanks again,
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backports keyring

[Robert Holtzman]

Tried "apt-get install debian-backports-keyring" and got the message

WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
  debian-backports-keyring
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? 
E: Some packages could not be authenticated


I terminated at that point. Can anyone tell me what the problem is (yeah, 
I know, the problem is it can't be authenticated. Now that we have that 
out of the way.) and if there is a solution?


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Re: Lenny?

[Charlie]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Guillermo Garron engaged keyboard and shared this with us 
all:
>--} On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
>--}  wrote:
>--} > On Sunday 15 February 2009 15:35:42 Charlie wrote:
>--} >> After doing # apt-get update
>--} >> Then get this: # apt-get upgrade
>--} >> Then do this: # apt-get dselect-upgrade
>--} >> What am I missing?
>--} >
>--} > Try 'aptitude dist-upgrade'.  Aptitude is the preferred package
> manager since --} > at least Etch.
>--}
>--} Hi,
>--}
>--} I have used this instructions a lot of time ago, with no problems,
>--} these instructions I have written afte the succesful upgrade of my PC
>--}
>--} http://www.go2linux.org/upgrading-debian
>--}
>--} hope it helps.
>--} regards,
>--}
>--}
>--} >
>--} > However, you should see the Lenny release notes for the proper way to
> upgrade. --} > In general, you should update 'dpkg', 'apt', and 'aptitude'
> to their Lenny --} > versions before updating everything.
>--} >
>--} > If, for some reason, aptitude also wants to remove some packages, we
> can --} > troubleshoot better from there.  If we need to troubleshoot, the
> output of --} > 'apt-cache policy', 'aptitude install', 'aptitude upgrade',
> and 'aptitude --} > dist-upgrade' would probably be the best start.
>--} > --
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I have been on testing all along. This system is always on testing, never 
comes off it at all, this isn't an upgrade, it is a continuance of testing 
since etch was testing.

But will give it a try, in case aptitude does it better than apt?

Thank you,
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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/15/2009 05:26 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

On Sunday 15 February 2009 15:48:37 Ron Johnson wrote:

[W]hat's to stop Joe Wannabe from doing this?

 $ sudo dpkg -i NakedBrittany.deb


What's to stop Joe Wannabe from doing this?
sudo rm -rf The Great American Novell / Movie

Neither is an actual security issue.


Depends, I guess, on your definition of "security".  Both require 
user interaction, and while the "sudo rm" certainly would be a 
disaster, installing NakedBrittany.deb would/could install a 
rootkit, keystroke logger, etc, etc.



and the
other thru a poorly-working (official) Debian patch to ssh. (Or was
it SSL?)


I don't recall this actually causing the Debian servers to be compromised.


Ah, you're right.  It was back in July 2006 that gluck got compromised.

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Re: rc.local is not executed

[Mike McClain]

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 06:14:06PM -0700, Chris Burkhardt wrote:
> Mike McClain wrote:
> > So my questions to you who have an installed /etc/rc.local are which
> > package did it come from and how does it get executed?
> 
> /etc/init.d/rc.local is included with the initscripts package, and it executes
> /etc/rc.local if it exists.
> 
> /etc/init.d/rc.local is symlinked to the appropriate /etc/rcX.d/ directory
> (where X is the runlevel) and is executed when entering that runlevel.
> 
> This is the case in Lenny and -- I think -- in Etch. I don't know about 
> before that.
> 
> - Chris B

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Upgrading to Lenny & 2.6.26: serverworks OSB4 IDE problem

[Tim Day]

I have an old dual-P3 Intel STL2 motherboard has been running Etch no
problem (2.6.18 kernel) for ages.
It has an IDE drive (root filesystem and swap, and it boots off it)
(/dev/hda on Etch) and a CD-ROM on the single IDE connector on the
motherboard, and a couple of big SATA drives hanging of some PCI-X card
(/dev/sda and /dev/sdb on Etch).

I upgraded it to lenny following the instructions (yes, setting
LABEL=rootfilesys on /dev/dha1 and changing /boot/grub/menu.lst
appropriately etc) but the 2.6.26 kernel seems to be completely ignorant
of the IDE devices and I just get the "Waiting for root filesystem..."
message.  (It can clearly see the SATA drives though).

I can boot back into 2.6.18 no problem (and now via the
LABEL=rootfilesys mechanism).

In 2.6.18,
  dmesg | grep -i ide
lists (edited for relevance):
  Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
  ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus...
  SvrWks OSB4: IDE controller at PCI slot :00:0f.1
ide0: BM-DMA at 0x14c0-0x14c7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb: DMA
ide0: BM-DMA at 0x14c0-0x14c7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb: DMA
  Probing IDE interface ide0...
  id0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
  Probing IDE interface ide1...

But 2.6.26 only says
  Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver
  ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus...
  SvrWks OSB4: IDE controller (0x1166,0x0211 rev 0x00) at PCI slow
:00:0f.1
  Serverworks_IDE: probe of :00:0f.1 failed with error -16
And once it drops me to the prompt, all I see is the SATA drives.

I'm a bit out of my depth here

My original assumption was that I'd somehow run foul of the hd*/sd*
renaming issue the release notes make a big deal out of, but the fact my
old 2.6.18 kernel is booting just fine via the new kopts
root=LABLEL=rootfilesys stuff seems to indicate this isn't the case.
Now I'm thinking that the new kernel simply doesn't like my IDE
hardware.  Can anything be done about this ?  I tried adding
  ide0=0x1f0,0x3f6,14
on the kernel command line (based on where 2.6.18 found it); it didn't
make any difference but I later found something at kerneltrap.org
suggesting ide*=... options had been removed by 2.6.26.

Please, any suggestions for how to get the system onto 2.6.26 gratefully
received!

Thanks
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Re: Lenny?

[Guillermo Garron]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
 wrote:
> On Sunday 15 February 2009 15:35:42 Charlie wrote:
>> After doing # apt-get update
>> Then get this: # apt-get upgrade
>> Then do this: # apt-get dselect-upgrade
>> What am I missing?
>
> Try 'aptitude dist-upgrade'.  Aptitude is the preferred package manager since
> at least Etch.

Hi,

I have used this instructions a lot of time ago, with no problems,
these instructions I have written afte the succesful upgrade of my PC

http://www.go2linux.org/upgrading-debian

hope it helps.
regards,


>
> However, you should see the Lenny release notes for the proper way to upgrade.
> In general, you should update 'dpkg', 'apt', and 'aptitude' to their Lenny
> versions before updating everything.
>
> If, for some reason, aptitude also wants to remove some packages, we can
> troubleshoot better from there.  If we need to troubleshoot, the output of
> 'apt-cache policy', 'aptitude install', 'aptitude upgrade', and 'aptitude
> dist-upgrade' would probably be the best start.
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Re: lenny-backports public key is not available - SOLVED

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 16:24:36 Rick Thomas wrote:
> On "http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions"; it
> says to do this:
>   wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add -
>
> I did, and all is well...

(1) There was a debian-backports-keyring for Etch.
(2) Those instructions have that as the last option in a set of 3 
alternatives.
(3) The *first* alternative is 'apt-get install debian-backports-keyring', but 
that doesn't work, and probably *is* a bug.
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Re: Detecting a compromised system

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 13:06:29 Nikolaus Rath wrote:
> I expected that it would be pretty easy to spot these modifications.
> So I did exactly the above and then tried to "detect" my changes.
>
> I first looked for any additional packages that might help me with
> this and installed (and configured to the best of my knowledge)
> checksecurity and tiger.

Most security audit tools actually depend on being able to inventory the 
system before an attack.  Installing them after you are 'sploited doesn't 
help.

Try installing them, then making a change that's not detectable.
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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 15:48:37 Ron Johnson wrote:
> [W]hat's to stop Joe Wannabe from doing this?
>
>  $ sudo dpkg -i NakedBrittany.deb

What's to stop Joe Wannabe from doing this?
sudo rm -rf The Great American Novell / Movie

Neither is an actual security issue.

> and the
> other thru a poorly-working (official) Debian patch to ssh. (Or was
> it SSL?)

I don't recall this actually causing the Debian servers to be compromised.
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Re: Lenny?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 15:35:42 Charlie wrote:
> After doing # apt-get update
> Then get this: # apt-get upgrade
> Then do this: # apt-get dselect-upgrade
> What am I missing?

Try 'aptitude dist-upgrade'.  Aptitude is the preferred package manager since 
at least Etch.

However, you should see the Lenny release notes for the proper way to upgrade.  
In general, you should update 'dpkg', 'apt', and 'aptitude' to their Lenny 
versions before updating everything.

If, for some reason, aptitude also wants to remove some packages, we can 
troubleshoot better from there.  If we need to troubleshoot, the output of 
'apt-cache policy', 'aptitude install', 'aptitude upgrade', and 'aptitude 
dist-upgrade' would probably be the best start.
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Re: upgrade to lenny report

[Guillermo Garron]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Pavlos Parissis  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This morning I upgraded my etch desktop to lenny.
> All went ok but with 3 small issues.
>
> 1) Exim was refusing to start up due to no zero size on the paniclog file.
> The file was reporting a configuration error on specific line, but not on the 
> config
> file that I use. Removing the lines from the paniclog made the exim4 to be 
> started
> again
>
> 2) X couldn't be start up due to a missing nv driver.  xserver-xorg-video-nv 
> was not
> installed during the upgrade. I need to check the upgrade log to find out 
> why, I use script for
> capturing the upgrade.
> Installing that package and restarting gdm solved the problem.
>
> 3) The gdm login screen is a bit more left that it should be.
> I don't have that issue inside Gnome. I haven't managed to solve that one.
>
> I use fb driver during boot in order to have 1280x1024 resolution at console.
> When I configured fb.modes file (1 year ago), I hacked a bit the 1280x1024-60 
> mode
> because the screen was a bit to left. Inside Gnome I have 1280x1024 at 75.
>
> Since the problem at GDM login screen matched the problem at the console, I 
> thought
> that I could change the boot line at grub to use video=nvidiafb:1280x1...@75. 
> But,
> after the boot fbset -s says 1280x1024-60 and GDM login screen is still a bit 
> to
> left.
>
> I could change the setting on my monitor (Sony SDM-HS75P), but that would 
> break the
> console screen and the screen inside Gnome, which they are fine.
>
> Nevertheless, I am happy that I have the same setup 5 years now :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Pavlos

Thanks a lot for your report, and also showing the rest how to solve
some issues that may happen.

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Re: From x86 to x86-64

[Joel Roth]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:08:39AM -0500, S Scharf wrote:
> All,
> I was thnking of doing a 32 bit to 64 bit upgrade myself using the "dpkg
> --get-selections"
> and "dpkg --set-selections"route. This raises another question:
> 
> Can I install the 64 bit linux image, change my sources.list file to amd64
> and do
> a dist-upgrade?

If at all possible, I'd recommend your installing 64-bit
debian in a separate partition. That way, you can go back to
your operational 32-bit system if need be, and have a
way to troubleshoot 32/64 bit issues.

Good luck,

Joel

> 
> Stuart


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upgrade to lenny report

[Pavlos Parissis]

Hi all,

This morning I upgraded my etch desktop to lenny.
All went ok but with 3 small issues.

1) Exim was refusing to start up due to no zero size on the paniclog file.
The file was reporting a configuration error on specific line, but not on the 
config
file that I use. Removing the lines from the paniclog made the exim4 to be 
started
again

2) X couldn't be start up due to a missing nv driver.  xserver-xorg-video-nv 
was not
installed during the upgrade. I need to check the upgrade log to find out why, 
I use script for
capturing the upgrade.
Installing that package and restarting gdm solved the problem.

3) The gdm login screen is a bit more left that it should be.
I don't have that issue inside Gnome. I haven't managed to solve that one.

I use fb driver during boot in order to have 1280x1024 resolution at console.
When I configured fb.modes file (1 year ago), I hacked a bit the 1280x1024-60 
mode
because the screen was a bit to left. Inside Gnome I have 1280x1024 at 75.

Since the problem at GDM login screen matched the problem at the console, I 
thought
that I could change the boot line at grub to use video=nvidiafb:1280x1...@75. 
But,
after the boot fbset -s says 1280x1024-60 and GDM login screen is still a bit to
left.

I could change the setting on my monitor (Sony SDM-HS75P), but that would break 
the
console screen and the screen inside Gnome, which they are fine.

Nevertheless, I am happy that I have the same setup 5 years now :-)

Cheers,
Pavlos


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Re: test for package dependencies without installing

[Michael M. Moore]

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Paul Yeatman  wrote:
> Hi, I'm wondering if there is a command I can run on a debian package that 
> would test for whether all dependencies of that package are already installed 
> on the system without actually installing the package if so.  This mailing 
> list thread http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/09/msg00292.html is on 
> the exact topic and many suggestions are thrown out but none of which I can 
> prove true.

You can simply look at the package detail in aptitude's ncurses
interface and see at a glance which dependencies you already have
installed (also, which recommends and suggests).

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Re: lenny-backports public key is not available - SOLVED

[Rick Thomas]

Hmmm... "When all else fails, read the instructions."

On "http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions"; it  
says to do this:

wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add -

I did, and all is well...

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Cannot netinst from Blu-ray drive

[Daniel]

Hi, looking for help.

I have got the Sony BC-5100S Blu-ray combo drive (firmware 1.10)
connected to SATA1.
http://www.sony-optiarc.eu/products/bluraydrivesdesktoppcs/bc5100s.html

I can boot into the installer, but when the installer tries to mount the disc
the installer cannot find it. The disc is debian-500-amd64-netinst.

# dmesg | grep dvd; returns:
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray

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Re: Detecting a compromised system

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:06:29 -0500
Nikolaus Rath  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I recently though about the least sophisticated way to introduce a
> backdoor into a system if a already had a root shell. My naive
> approach would be to
> 
>  a) create a setuid root shell somewhere in the fs,
> 
> or
> 
>  b) modify an existing setuid binary to grant me root access
> (e.g. when invoced with a special parameter)
> 
> 
> Since I don't consider myself particularly ingenious in that respect,
> I expected that it would be pretty easy to spot these modifications.
> So I did exactly the above and then tried to "detect" my changes.
> 
> I first looked for any additional packages that might help me with
> this and installed (and configured to the best of my knowledge)
> checksecurity and tiger.
> 
> I thought to remember that debian packages need to register any suid
> binaries that they install, and I also read in the tiger documentation
> that it verifies the checksums of installed system binaries. Thus I
> expected that both my modifications would immediately show up.
> However, nothing like that happened.
> 
> Now I'm wondering if there really is no easy way to detect such
> changes, if I didn't find the right packages, or if I messed up the
> configuration.
> 
> Anyone able to help?
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
>-Nikolaus
> 

Finding such files is easy
find / -perm /u+s
detecting whether they should be setuid root, I don't know enough about the
debian system to tell


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application like iPhoto on Debian GNU/Linux Etch?

[Csanyi Pal]

Hi,

is there an application on the Debian GNU/Linux Etch like iPhoto on
the Mac OS X operating system?

With it one can to import some rendered images and make a movie with
the File / Export command. 

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Re: Lenny?

[Charlie]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, H.S. engaged keyboard and shared this with us all:
>--}
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Just wondering; if Lenny has been released, I just wonder why I'm still 
getting this?

After doing # apt-get update

Then get this: # apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  bind9-host ghostscript libbind9-40 libgs8 libisccc40 libisccfg40 liblwres40
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.

Then do this: # apt-get dselect-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  cups cups-driver-gutenprint cupsys cupsys-driver-gutenprint epstool
  foomatic-db-gutenprint ghostscript ghostscript-x gs-esp gs-gpl gv 
ijsgutenprint ps2eps
  pstoedit pstotext scribus
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libdns45 libisc45
The following packages will be upgraded:
  bind9-host libbind9-40 libgs8 libisccc40 libisccfg40 liblwres40
6 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 16 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 3123kB of archives.
After this operation, 93.2MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

I don't want to remove those packages unless there are replacements?

What am I missing?

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Re: From x86 to x86-64

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/15/2009 10:08 AM, S Scharf wrote:
[snip]



All,
I was thnking of doing a 32 bit to 64 bit upgrade myself using the "dpkg
--get-selections"
and "dpkg --set-selections"route. This raises another question:

Can I install the 64 bit linux image, change my sources.list file to amd64
and do
a dist-upgrade?


You could try!!!  But I'd only do it if /home were in a separate 
partition, and a 64-bit Lenny ISO were burned do a CD, for those 
"just in case" scenarios.


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Fwd: webpages: web page for "volatile" needs to be updated for Lenny

[Rick Thomas]

I submitted this as a bug report, but as I didn't know what package to  
submit it against, I doubt it will be seen.  So I'm forwarding it to  
"debian-users" in hopes that it will reach the right people there...


Thanks!

Rick

Begin forwarded message:


From: Rick Thomas 
Date: February 15, 2009 4:42:36 PM EST
To: Debian Bug Tracking System 
Subject: webpages: web page for "volatile" needs to be updated for  
Lenny


Package: webpages
Severity: normal


The web page at http://www.debian.org/volatile/ mentions Sarge and  
Etch, but not Lenny.


Now that Lenny is released as Stable, that should be changed.

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Fwd: lenny-backports public key is not available

[Rick Thomas]

I submitted this as a bug report, but as I didn't know what package to  
submit it against, I doubt it will be seen.  So I'm forwarding it to  
"debian-users" in hopes that it will reach the right people there...


Thanks!

Rick

Begin forwarded message:


From: Rick Thomas 
Date: February 15, 2009 4:39:22 PM EST
To: Debian Bug Tracking System 
Subject: lenny-backports public key is not available

Package: backports
Severity: normal


To celebrate the relesase of Lenny as Stable, I added "volatile" and  
"backports" to my

sources.list file.  When I did "aptitude update" I got:

Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The  
following signatures
couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:  
NO_PUBKEYEA8E8B2116BA136C

W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems




Full output of aptitude update and text of my sources.list file  
follow:


lilserver:~# aptitude update
Hit http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny Release.gpg
Hit http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny Release.gpg
Hit http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny Release
Hit http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny Release
Ign http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/main Sources/DiffIndex
Ign http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/non-free Sources/DiffIndex
Ign http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/contrib Sources/DiffIndex
Hit http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/main Packages
Hit http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/non-free Packages
Hit http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/contrib Packages
Hit http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/main Sources
Hit http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/non-free Sources
Hit http://ftp3.nrc.ca lenny/contrib Sources
Get:1 http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release.gpg [189B]
Get:2 http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release.gpg
Get:3 http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release [56.1kB]
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release
Get:4 http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile Release [40.7kB]
Ign http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/main Sources/DiffIndex
Ign http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/contrib Sources/DiffIndex
Ign http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/non-free Sources/DiffIndex
Hit http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/main Packages
Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/contrib Packages
Hit http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/non-free Packages
Hit http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/main Sources
Hit http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/contrib Sources
Hit http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/non-free Sources
Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Sources/DiffIndex
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Sources
Ign http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release
Get:5 http://www.backports.org lenny-backports/main Packages [14B]
Get:6 http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile/main Packages [792B]
Get:7 http://www.backports.org lenny-backports/contrib Packages [14B]
Get:8 http://www.backports.org lenny-backports/non-free Packages [14B]
Get:9 http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile/contrib Packages [14B]
Get:10 http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile/non-free Packages  
[14B]

Fetched 98.0kB in 1s (74.1kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The  
following signatures
couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:  
NO_PUBKEYEA8E8B2116BA136C

W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

lilserver:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
#

deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free

deb http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/  lenny main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/  lenny main non-free contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main

deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main  
contrib non-free


# For instructions on getting stuff from backports see
#   http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non- 
free




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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/15/2009 01:11 PM, T o n g wrote:

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:25:35 -0500, H.S. wrote:


In the last some weeks I recall reading in one of the mailing lists that
it is just a matter of popularity that we are not seeing bad intentioned
debs or rpms on the internet. If Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora were to become
sufficiently popular, the claim is that it would be just as easy and
popular to infect these OSes by making a user install something like
NakedBrittany.deb as is now the case with Windows users.


Don't know where you get it from, but seem to me the person who

> made such claims is a clueless Linux newbie himself.  Debian have
> package signature signing and checking years ago, even for
> non-official repos.




*Maybe* not on Debian, since Debian users *tend* to be more 
sophisticated, but what's to stop Joe Wannabe from doing this?


$ sudo dpkg -i NakedBrittany.deb


Anyway, twice in the past few years, Debian servers have been 
compromised.  One time it was thru a weak DD user password, and the 
other thru a poorly-working (official) Debian patch to ssh. (Or was 
it SSL?)  That last one caused more than a minor ruckus.


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Re: Lenny?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 13:39:16 Kent West wrote:
> So I am correct in believing that someone who is upgrading from an etch
> stable system to Lenny will be presented with this quandary that he
> can't trust the Lenny repository until he first trusts the Lenny
> repository?

No, they will get the error/warning that one of the two signatures is from a 
key that is not in the keyring.  Aptitude, apt, etc. will still report the 
packages as trusted (and not further complain) since one of the signatures is 
good and trusted.

As part of the upgrade to Lenny, you'll get the second key added to your 
trusted keyring and both the the two signatures will be good and trusted until 
Debian drops the signature made with the old key from the mirrors.  (The old 
key expires in June, I think.)
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Detecting a compromised system

[Nikolaus Rath]

Hello,

I recently though about the least sophisticated way to introduce a
backdoor into a system if a already had a root shell. My naive
approach would be to

 a) create a setuid root shell somewhere in the fs,

or

 b) modify an existing setuid binary to grant me root access
(e.g. when invoced with a special parameter)


Since I don't consider myself particularly ingenious in that respect,
I expected that it would be pretty easy to spot these modifications.
So I did exactly the above and then tried to "detect" my changes.

I first looked for any additional packages that might help me with
this and installed (and configured to the best of my knowledge)
checksecurity and tiger.

I thought to remember that debian packages need to register any suid
binaries that they install, and I also read in the tiger documentation
that it verifies the checksums of installed system binaries. Thus I
expected that both my modifications would immediately show up.
However, nothing like that happened.

Now I'm wondering if there really is no easy way to detect such
changes, if I didn't find the right packages, or if I messed up the
configuration.

Anyone able to help?


Best,

   -Nikolaus

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Happy lenny, everyone!

[Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso]

I know most Debian users think that only testing is suitable for this
"desktop use", but my family members use stable for all their needs,
so the lenny release has me very happy that I can now give them an
upgrade to their experience.

Happy lenny release, everyone! Almost 22 months since last release,
and there are many good reasons to be happy with it.

- Jordi G. H.


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Advertisement request

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Hello,
I am wondering whether its possible to rent a advertisement text link slot?
If yes kindly get back to me asap.

Best Regards.
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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 04:33:53PM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > A Debian user should not be expected to install just any .deb file.
> >   
> 
> Ideally speaking, I'd say this holds for any OS: Users should not just
> install (or click, or run) everything they see.
> 
> In practice things happen differently, especially in the Windows world.

As I have pointed out, there's no real reason for the user interface to
make that operation too simple. After all, you're not really guaranteed
that you'll actually be able to install that package, as you may not
have its dependencies.

The easy way to install packages is through apt.
https://launchpad.net/apturl/

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Re: ALSA devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 16:25:19 +, T o n g wrote:
> [warning, long post]
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> My recent upgrade caused my sound card not working any more. Checking back
> at my packages version log, the only related upgrade is that
> alsa-base_1.0.17.dfsg-2 is upgraded to alsa-base_1.0.17.dfsg-4. 
> The rest are still the same:
> 
>   alsa-oss_1.0.15-1
>   alsa-utils_1.0.16-2
>   alsamixergui_0.9.0rc2-1-9
> 
> Yet, now I've got:
> 
>   $ ls /dev/dsp
>   ls: cannot access /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
> 
>   $ cat /dev/sndstat 
>   Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.16 emulation code)
>   Kernel: Linux helios.selfip.org 2.6.26-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Nov 26 
> 21:41:43 UTC 2008 i686
>   Config options: 0
> 
>   Installed drivers: 
>   Type 10: ALSA emulation
> 
>   Card config: 
>   VIA 8237 with AD1980 at 0xc800, irq 22
> 
>   Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
>   Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
>   Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
>   Timers:
>   31: system timer
> 
>   Mixers: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

[...]

>   $ hwinfo --sound
>   14: PCI 11.5: 0401 Multimedia audio controller  
> [Created at pci.310]
> Unique ID: Ssy1.KzJ6TO9PmfB
> SysFS ID: /devices/pci:00/:00:11.5
> SysFS BusID: :00:11.5
> Hardware Class: sound
> Model: "VIA VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller"
> Vendor: pci 0x1106 "VIA Technologies, Inc."
> Device: pci 0x3059 "VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller"
> SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
> SubDevice: pci 0x80b0 "A7V600/K8V-X/K8V Deluxe motherboard (ADI AD1980 
> codec [SoundMAX])"
> Revision: 0x60
> Driver: "VIA 82xx Audio"
> Driver Modules: "snd_via82xx"
> I/O Ports: 0xc800-0xc8ff (rw)
> IRQ: 22 (no events)
> Module Alias: "pci:v1106d3059sv1043sd80B0bc04sc01i00"
> Driver Info #0:
>   Driver Status: snd_via82xx is active
>   Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_via82xx"
> Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

[ snip: You checked all the usual suspects already; I did not notice
  anything that gave me a clue what is going on. ]

> But I can't go any further via googling. E.g., among many other tryings,
> following Florian Kulzer's advice on merely unloading and reloading the
> modules didn't work for me:
> 
>   % modprobe -r snd_via82xx snd_pcm snd_seq
>   FATAL: Module snd_pcm is in use.

In that case you have to remove the module that uses snd_pcm (probably
snd_pcm_oss) before you can remove snd_pcm.

>   % modprobe snd_via82xx
>   % modprobe snd_seq

There is some problem with the driver, therefore it is important to have
more details about what is going on when the modules are loaded. Try to
unload all snd* modules so that "lsmod | grep snd" returns no output.
(If this is not possible then you should find out which modules are the
blockers to help isolate the problem.)

If you can unload all sound modules, run

modprobe -v snd_via82xx snd_pcm_oss snd_seq

as root and post the output here.

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Re: Lenny?

[Kent West]

Bob Cox wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 13:02:04 -0600, Kent West (we...@acu.edu) wrote: 
>
>   
>>> The package is there in stable, testing and unstable as far as I can
>>> see.  Perhaps the mirror you are using has been slow to update.
>>>
>>> b...@trantor:~$ apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring
>>> debian-archive-keyring:
>>>   Installed: 2009.01.31
>>>   Candidate: 2009.01.31
>>>   Version table:
>>>  *** 2009.01.31 0
>>> 990 http://ftp.uk.debian.org testing/main Packages
>>> 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/main Packages
>>> 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/main Packages
>>> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>>>   
>
> If it helps, it does look like the 2007.07.31 version for etch you are
> quoting is correct:
>
> http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch&keywords=debian-archive-keyring
>   

So I am correct in believing that someone who is upgrading from an etch
stable system to Lenny will be presented with this quandary that he
can't trust the Lenny repository until he first trusts the Lenny repository?

Seems like an oversight to me, but I'm pretty ignorant, so maybe not.

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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> A Debian user should not be expected to install just any .deb file.
>   

Ideally speaking, I'd say this holds for any OS: Users should not just
install (or click, or run) everything they see.

In practice things happen differently, especially in the Windows world.


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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 04:22:37PM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> T o n g wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:25:35 -0500, H.S. wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> In the last some weeks I recall reading in one of the mailing lists that
> >> it is just a matter of popularity that we are not seeing bad intentioned
> >> debs or rpms on the internet. If Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora were to become
> >> sufficiently popular, the claim is that it would be just as easy and
> >> popular to infect these OSes by making a user install something like
> >> NakedBrittany.deb as is now the case with Windows users.
> >> 
> >
> > Don't know where you get it from, but seem to me the person who made such 
> > claims is a clueless Linux 
> > newbie himself. Debian have package signature signing and checking years 
> > ago, even for non-official repos. 
> >   
> 
> But neither of these help in case a stupid user receives an e-mail saying:
> 
> Run 'sudo dpkg -i FreePornPics.deb to see 's
> secret sex tape'.
> 
> (Or some variation thereof.)

A Debian user should not be expected to install just any .deb file. This
why this procedure should be relatively complicated (and it is, IIRC).

But you're missing the real fun: http://lwn.net/Articles/319072/

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Re: Some documents on 3 PCs

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:11:43AM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> Allan Dreyer Andersen wrote:
> 
> > copying my personal documents and pictures between these 3 PC
> > Do you have some ideas how to solve this?
> 
> I've been using CVS [1] for many years with good results:
> 
> 1.  I dedicate an older machine as a CVS server (currently Pentium 3 800
> MHz in DMZ behind an IPCop firewall [2] on a static IP).
> 
> 2.  For Windows machines, I use Cygwin [3] with DOS file endings.

SVN has explicit support for converting between dos and unix text
formats.

> 
> 3.  For binary files, I need to remember to add the file extension to
> cvswrappers.

IIRC SVN marks a file as binary automatically.

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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

T o n g wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:25:35 -0500, H.S. wrote:
>
>   
>> In the last some weeks I recall reading in one of the mailing lists that
>> it is just a matter of popularity that we are not seeing bad intentioned
>> debs or rpms on the internet. If Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora were to become
>> sufficiently popular, the claim is that it would be just as easy and
>> popular to infect these OSes by making a user install something like
>> NakedBrittany.deb as is now the case with Windows users.
>> 
>
> Don't know where you get it from, but seem to me the person who made such 
> claims is a clueless Linux 
> newbie himself. Debian have package signature signing and checking years ago, 
> even for non-official repos. 
>   

But neither of these help in case a stupid user receives an e-mail saying:

Run 'sudo dpkg -i FreePornPics.deb to see 's
secret sex tape'.

(Or some variation thereof.)

I think, however, this will only become a problem if Linux gets really
popular, especially along newbie users. And the variety of distributions
will make this kind of attacks harder: a .deb virus will not work on RPM
distros, and vice-versa.

For now, I see no reason to worry.


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Re: Lenny?

[Bob Cox]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 13:02:04 -0600, Kent West (we...@acu.edu) wrote: 

> > The package is there in stable, testing and unstable as far as I can
> > see.  Perhaps the mirror you are using has been slow to update.
> >
> > b...@trantor:~$ apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring
> > debian-archive-keyring:
> >   Installed: 2009.01.31
> >   Candidate: 2009.01.31
> >   Version table:
> >  *** 2009.01.31 0
> > 990 http://ftp.uk.debian.org testing/main Packages
> > 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/main Packages
> > 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/main Packages
> > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

If it helps, it does look like the 2007.07.31 version for etch you are
quoting is correct:

http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch&keywords=debian-archive-keyring

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Re: security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[T o n g]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:25:35 -0500, H.S. wrote:

> In the last some weeks I recall reading in one of the mailing lists that
> it is just a matter of popularity that we are not seeing bad intentioned
> debs or rpms on the internet. If Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora were to become
> sufficiently popular, the claim is that it would be just as easy and
> popular to infect these OSes by making a user install something like
> NakedBrittany.deb as is now the case with Windows users.

Don't know where you get it from, but seem to me the person who made such 
claims is a clueless Linux 
newbie himself. Debian have package signature signing and checking years ago, 
even for non-official repos. 

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Re: Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[T o n g]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:24:52 -0600, John W Foster wrote:

> I am aware that this is not usually considered a good practice. However
> debian as vast as it is does not provide software that meets all my
> needs. I therefore sometimes either " " or use pre-compiled
> binaries that are designed to be installed from the basic tarball. An
> example of these is BRL-CAD  and VARKON cad (old .debs). I also use
> script driven apps such as Kompozer, MoneyDance, Gallery2 and the
> tarball setup of Webmin as I prefer them, & with the exception of webmin
> there are currently there are no debian maintainers to make these all
> available, or in some case they are not "free" apps but stuff I pay for.
> They install somes libs each time they are upgraded or installed. My
> question is more specifically about the capabilities of GTKOrphan and
> deborphan: Do these apps ONLY find orphaned libs from debian packages or
> do they somehow locate libs that are NOT a dependency of a debian
> package. If the latter is the case I can not use these to get rid of the
> 200 or so libs (mostly java) that the deborphan app located. I will have
> to continue doing it by checking individual dependencies of all packages
> from all the sources that I use.

Debian has already had a solution for this case -- install roll-you-own tools 
as debian packages via 
checkinstall. 

As long as you put correct dependency info in the created debian packages, 
deborphan should work with 
your own packages fine.

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Re: Lenny?

[Kent West]

Bob Cox wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:38:45 -0600, Kent West (we...@acu.edu) wrote: 
>
>   
>> On my etch box, this package was not installed. So I installed it (and
>> most all, if not all, of Gnome was removed as part of the process
>> (?!!)). Now I have this version:
>>
>> Sun Feb 15 11:35:06
>> -
>> wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo aptitude show debian-archive-keyring
>> 
>
> (no need for root privileges for aptitude show)
>
>   
>> Unable to find an archive "stable" for the package "debian-archive-keyring"
>> Package: debian-archive-keyring
>> State: installed
>> Automatically installed: no
>> Version: 2007.07.31~etch1
>> Priority: important
>> Section: misc
>> Maintainer: Michael Vogt 
>> Uncompressed Size: 57.3k
>> Depends: gnupg (>= 1.0.6-4)
>> Description: GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive
>>  The Debian project digitally signs its Release files. This package
>> contains the archive keys used for that.
>>
>> Tags: admin::file-distribution, role::data, security::authentication,
>> suite::debian
>>
>>
>> And if I enable Lenny in my sources.list and do another update, I still
>> have the same problem.
>>
>> So it seems to me that there's no ("normal, everyday-user") way to
>> validate that the Lenny packages are valid without first installing a
>> Lenny package which you can't be sure is valid.
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>> 
>
> The package is there in stable, testing and unstable as far as I can
> see.  Perhaps the mirror you are using has been slow to update.
>
> b...@trantor:~$ apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring
> debian-archive-keyring:
>   Installed: 2009.01.31
>   Candidate: 2009.01.31
>   Version table:
>  *** 2009.01.31 0
> 990 http://ftp.uk.debian.org testing/main Packages
> 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/main Packages
> 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/main Packages
> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>
>   

With Lenny in my sources.list:


Sun Feb 15 12:57:12
-
wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring
debian-archive-keyring:
  Installed: 2007.07.31~etch1
  Candidate: 2009.01.31
  Version table:
 2009.01.31 0
990 http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages
 *** 2007.07.31~etch1 0
500 http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


If I comment out Lenny:

Sun Feb 15 12:57:14
-
wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
Password:

#
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Beta i386
NETINST Binary-1 20070326-09:02]/ etch contrib main


#deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main
#deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
#deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main

#deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib


Sun Feb 15 12:57:55
-
wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo aptitude update
Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages
Get:2 http://ftp.debian.org etch Release.gpg [386B]
Hit http://ftp.debian.org etch Release
Ign http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages
Fetched 2B in 0s (2B/s)
Reading package lists... Done


Sun Feb 15 12:57:59
-
wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring
debian-archive-keyring:
  Installed: 2007.07.31~etch1
  Candidate: 2007.07.31~etch1
  Version table:
 *** 2007.07.31~etch1 0
500 http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


Sun Feb 15 12:58:04
-
wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo aptitude install debian-archive-keyring
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
Building tag database... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  tzdata
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
Writing extended state information... Done


Sun Feb 15 13:00:30
-
wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> apt-cache show debian-archive-keyring
Package: debian-archive-keyring
Priority: important
Section: misc
Installed-Size: 56
Maintainer: Michael Vogt 
Architecture: all
Version: 2007.07.31~etch1
Depends: gnupg (>= 1.0.6-4)
Filename:
pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/debian-archive-keyring_2007.07.31~etch1_all.deb
Size: 9318
MD5sum: 46d0ba96a62b75573fe8c5fe59ab20b7
SHA1: f60d46e921a69108eaa97e4c12d4be83a5c79e0d
SHA256: 2a7d7e9c9a5af

Re: Lenny?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:38:45 -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 08:47:06 -0600, Kent West wrote:

[...]

> >> wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo apt-get update
> >> Password:
> >> 
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >   
> >> W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
> >> 4D270D06F42584E6
> >> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> >> 
> >
> > Check the version of your debian-archive-keyring package; the newest one
> > (2009.01.31) has this key:

[...]

> On my etch box, this package was not installed. So I installed it (and
> most all, if not all, of Gnome was removed as part of the process
> (?!!)).

I cannot see how the debian-archive-keyring would trigger the removal of
Gnome packages, therefore I would guess that this is the symptom of an
unrelated problem. What happens if you try to install Gnome again
(assuming that you want it back)?

> Now I have this version:
> 
> Sun Feb 15 11:35:06
> -
> wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo aptitude show debian-archive-keyring
> Unable to find an archive "stable" for the package "debian-archive-keyring"
> Package: debian-archive-keyring
> State: installed
> Automatically installed: no
> Version: 2007.07.31~etch1

[...]

> And if I enable Lenny in my sources.list and do another update, I still
> have the same problem.
> 
> So it seems to me that there's no ("normal, everyday-user") way to
> validate that the Lenny packages are valid without first installing a
> Lenny package which you can't be sure is valid.
> 
> Am I missing something?

The Release files have two signatures at the moment to facilitate the
transition:

$ gpg -vv --list-only /var/lib/apt/lists/*_stable_Release.gpg 2>&1 | grep 
signature
:signature packet: algo 17, keyid A70DAF536070D3A1
:signature packet: algo 17, keyid 4D270D06F42584E6

Your apt keyring should contain A70DAF536070D3A1 ("Debian Archive
Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch)") as a trusted key, so apt(itude)
should be able to verify one of the signatures. That is good enough
because you are trusting the Etch key already anyway. As long as
apt(itude) does not complain that a package is "untrusted" you can be
sure that there is at least one trusted signature vouching for it. (This
assumes that you did not change the default configuration regarding
verification of package integrity.) The post-installation script of the
new version of debian-archive-keyring will add the Lenny key to apt's
keyring automatically so that you are ready for the future. (The Etch
key expires on 2009-07-01.)

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Re: Lenny?

[Bob Cox]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:38:45 -0600, Kent West (we...@acu.edu) wrote: 

> On my etch box, this package was not installed. So I installed it (and
> most all, if not all, of Gnome was removed as part of the process
> (?!!)). Now I have this version:
> 
> Sun Feb 15 11:35:06
> -
> wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo aptitude show debian-archive-keyring

(no need for root privileges for aptitude show)

> Unable to find an archive "stable" for the package "debian-archive-keyring"
> Package: debian-archive-keyring
> State: installed
> Automatically installed: no
> Version: 2007.07.31~etch1
> Priority: important
> Section: misc
> Maintainer: Michael Vogt 
> Uncompressed Size: 57.3k
> Depends: gnupg (>= 1.0.6-4)
> Description: GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive
>  The Debian project digitally signs its Release files. This package
> contains the archive keys used for that.
> 
> Tags: admin::file-distribution, role::data, security::authentication,
> suite::debian
> 
> 
> And if I enable Lenny in my sources.list and do another update, I still
> have the same problem.
> 
> So it seems to me that there's no ("normal, everyday-user") way to
> validate that the Lenny packages are valid without first installing a
> Lenny package which you can't be sure is valid.
> 
> Am I missing something?

The package is there in stable, testing and unstable as far as I can
see.  Perhaps the mirror you are using has been slow to update.

b...@trantor:~$ apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring
debian-archive-keyring:
  Installed: 2009.01.31
  Candidate: 2009.01.31
  Version table:
 *** 2009.01.31 0
990 http://ftp.uk.debian.org testing/main Packages
500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/main Packages
500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

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security (malware) issues in Linux bases OSes

[H.S.]

Hello,

In the last some weeks I recall reading in one of the mailing lists that
it is just a matter of popularity that we are not seeing bad intentioned
debs or rpms on the internet. If Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora were to become
sufficiently popular, the claim is that it would be just as easy and
popular to infect these OSes by making a user install something like
NakedBrittany.deb as is now the case with Windows users.

I realize that a clueless user is always going to be weakest link in the
fence against malware infection.

Just wanted to throw this question out here to see what opinions various
people have. What if such malicious deb or rpm is made available? How
bad it would be for the same user as compared to similar malware in
Windows case? Let us assume that the user has sudo access in Linux and
has admin privileges in Windows.


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RE: Some documents on 3 PCs

[David Christensen]

Allan Dreyer Andersen wrote:

> copying my personal documents and pictures between these 3 PC
> Do you have some ideas how to solve this?

I've been using CVS [1] for many years with good results:

1.  I dedicate an older machine as a CVS server (currently Pentium 3 800
MHz in DMZ behind an IPCop firewall [2] on a static IP).

2.  For Windows machines, I use Cygwin [3] with DOS file endings.

3.  For binary files, I need to remember to add the file extension to
cvswrappers.


HTH,

David

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[2] http://www.ipcop.org/

[3] http://www.cygwin.com/


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Re: ALSA devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

[T o n g]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:25:19 +, T o n g wrote:

> My "amixer: Mixer attach default error" problem was solved by
> 
>  % aptitude install libesd-alsa0
> 
> (Ref:
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/no-sound-debian-lenny-amd64-gigabyte-ga-
> ma78gm-s2h-amd-780g-677646/)

Hmm, not any more. 

While trying to OP problem myself, I tried the remove and re-install approach:

  % dpkg --force-depends --purge alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils libasound2 
libesd-alsa0 linux-sound-base

  % aptitude install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils libasound2 libesd-alsa0 
linux-sound-base

  % alsaconf 
  Loading driver...
  Setting default volumes...
  amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
  Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state.

I have this "amixer: Mixer attach default error" again. 

Please help.

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Re: Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[John Hasler]

There is nothing wrong with installing non-Debian packages as long as they
install in /usr/local or /opt and so stay out of the way of the
package-management system.
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Re: ALSA devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

[T o n g]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:17:00 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:

> Have you tried running alsaconf as root? Usually when there are upgrades
> to alsa you have to do it, things tend to change pretty often in the
> ALSA setup.

Yes. 1st thing that I did. 
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Re: Lenny?

[H.S.]

The release news is already on Slashdot.
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/14/195



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Re: Using automake

[Laurent Guignard]

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Joris Dobbelsteen a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to build a application and was trying to use automake with
> it. Now I've stumbled upon an issue, see below, I cannot resolve for a
> few days. I think it is somewhere(tm) in the manual though.
> 
> Can anyone point me to the problem and/or solution?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Joris
> 
> =
> 
> The error I get is:
> 
> make -k all
> make  all-recursive
> make[1]: Entering directory
> `/home/joris/livecdrecorder-project/liverecorder'
> Making all in src
> make[2]: Entering directory
> `/home/joris/livecdrecorder-project/liverecorder/src'
> g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -g -O2 -MT streamprocessor.o -MD -MP
> -MF .deps/streamprocessor.Tpo -c -o streamprocessor.o `test -f
> 'libsp/streamprocessor.cpp' || echo './'`libsp/streamprocessor.cpp
> mv -f .deps/streamprocessor.Tpo .deps/streamprocessor.Po
> rm -f libsp.a
> ar cru libsp.a streamprocessor.o
> ranlib libsp.a
> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `livecdrecorder.o', needed by
> `livecdrecorder'.
> make[2]: Target `all' not remade because of errors.
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/home/joris/livecdrecorder-project/liverecorder/src'
> make[2]: Entering directory
> `/home/joris/livecdrecorder-project/liverecorder'
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/home/joris/livecdrecorder-project/liverecorder'
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/home/joris/livecdrecorder-project/liverecorder'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make: *** [all] Error 2
> 
> ===
> 
> makefile.am:
> 
> SUBDIRS = src
> dist_doc_DATA = README
> 
> 
> 
> 
> src/makefile.am:
> 
> #SUBDIRS = libsp livecdrecorder
> 
> bin_PROGRAMS = livecdrecorder
> lib_LIBRARIES = libsp.a
> 
> livecdrecorder_SOURCE = livecdrecorder/main.c
> livecdrecorder_LDADD = libsp
> 
> libsp_a_SOURCES = libsp/streamprocessor.cpp
> include_HEADERS = libsp/streamprocessor.h
> 
> 
> =
> 
> configure.ac
> 
> AC_INIT([livecdrecorder], [0.1], [myn...@mydomain])
> AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([-Wall -Werror foreign])
> AC_PROG_CC
> AC_PROG_CXX
> AC_PROG_RANLIB
> #AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
> AC_CONFIG_HEADERS([config.h])
> AC_CONFIG_FILES([
> Makefile
> src/Makefile
> ])
> AC_OUTPUT
> 
> 

Hi Joris,
I think that you need a Makefile in your directory "livecdrecorder" to
build all sources in this directory.
For me projects, i build a Makefile.am in each sub-drirectories of
project and include SUBDIRS directive in parent directory Makefile.am
So after you build the livecdrecorder.o, you will be able to build your
software.
I think it's the same for your libsp/streamprocessor.o

May be i am wrong, or it isn't the good way to get the binary, but in my
projects this is working.

Best regards,
Laurent

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Re: Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:24:52AM -0600, John W Foster wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 01:57 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:24:50AM -0600, John W Foster wrote:
> > > I want to clean up my system as best I can. I have installed the
> > > gtkorphan and deborphan for this purpose. My question is will these ONLY
> > > remove .deb installed libs. I have several non-debian apps that I use
> > > and do NOT want to remove libs that they require. Any suggestions??
> > 
> > If you are asking question like this, it is not good idea to mix archive
> > unless they are in synch and supported.
> > 
> > http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch03.en.html#packagesfrommixesourceofarchives
> > 
> > Osamu
> Thanks Osamu: as usual, your insight is spot on:The system I just
> upgraded to Lenny started out as a woody install some years ago and this
> is my firts effort to streamline the system. May be my last!!!:_)
> 
> I am aware that this is not usually considered a good practice. However
> debian as vast as it is does not provide software that meets all my
> needs. I therefore sometimes either "roll my own" or use pre-compiled
> binaries that are designed to be installed from the basic tarball. An
> example of these is BRL-CAD  and VARKON cad (old .debs). I also use
> script driven apps such as Kompozer, MoneyDance, Gallery2 and the
> tarball setup of Webmin as I prefer them, & with the exception of webmin
> there are currently there are no debian maintainers to make these all
> available, or in some case they are not "free" apps but stuff I pay for.
> They install somes libs each time they are upgraded or installed. 
> My question is more specifically about the capabilities of GTKOrphan and
> deborphan: Do these apps ONLY find orphaned libs from debian packages or
> do they somehow locate libs that are NOT a dependency of a debian
> package. If the latter is the case I can not use these to get rid of the
> 200 or so libs (mostly java) that the deborphan app located. I will have
> to continue doing it by checking individual dependencies of all packages
> from all the sources that I use.

In such case, using aptitude is easiest for checking dependency etc.  At
lease I manage Ubuntu archive key package manually installed survive by
orphaning interactively.

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Re: Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:43:53AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> John W. Foster writes:
> > I want to clean up my system as best I can. I have installed the
> > gtkorphan and deborphan for this purpose. My question is will these ONLY
> > remove .deb installed libs?
> 
> They will only remove files installed by the package management system.

TRUE!

But it may purge files if the original poster installed from Ubntu etc.
I was afraid  that ".deb installed libs" was a sign for mixed apt source.

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Re: Lenny?

[Kent West]

Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 08:47:06 -0600, Kent West wrote:
>   
>>> 2009/2/15 Kent West:
>>>
>>> Should this be happening?
>>>   
>
> [...]
>
>   
>> wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo apt-get update
>> Password:
>> 
>
> [...]
>
>   
>> W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
>> 4D270D06F42584E6
>> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>> 
>
> Check the version of your debian-archive-keyring package; the newest one
> (2009.01.31) has this key:
>
> $ gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --list-key 
> 4D270D06F42584E6
> pub   1024D/F42584E6 2008-04-06 [expires: 2012-05-15]
> uid  Lenny Stable Release Key  debian DOT org>
>
>   
On my etch box, this package was not installed. So I installed it (and
most all, if not all, of Gnome was removed as part of the process
(?!!)). Now I have this version:

Sun Feb 15 11:35:06
-
wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo aptitude show debian-archive-keyring
Unable to find an archive "stable" for the package "debian-archive-keyring"
Package: debian-archive-keyring
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 2007.07.31~etch1
Priority: important
Section: misc
Maintainer: Michael Vogt 
Uncompressed Size: 57.3k
Depends: gnupg (>= 1.0.6-4)
Description: GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive
 The Debian project digitally signs its Release files. This package
contains the archive keys used for that.

Tags: admin::file-distribution, role::data, security::authentication,
suite::debian


And if I enable Lenny in my sources.list and do another update, I still
have the same problem.

So it seems to me that there's no ("normal, everyday-user") way to
validate that the Lenny packages are valid without first installing a
Lenny package which you can't be sure is valid.

Am I missing something?

Thanks!

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Re: Lenny?

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 08:00:49AM -0800, Jeff Grossman wrote:
> I just went to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ and it appears the
> 5.0 CD/DVD images are now up on the site.  I would imagine the website
> should be updated soon and an official release e-mail will also be
> going out pretty soon.

Yes. Here is the information:

http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.announce/38

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Re: Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

John W Foster wrote:
> They install somes libs each time they are upgraded or installed. 
> My question is more specifically about the capabilities of GTKOrphan and
> deborphan: Do these apps ONLY find orphaned libs from debian packages or
> do they somehow locate libs that are NOT a dependency of a debian
> package. If the latter is the case I can not use these to get rid of the
> 200 or so libs (mostly java) that the deborphan app located. I will have
> to continue doing it by checking individual dependencies of all packages
> from all the sources that I use.
>   

deborphan only knows about .deb packages. It will find libraries that no
package installed depend on, but if you installed them to satisfy the
dependencies of some manually installed tarball, for example, they will
be listed as "orphaned", but if you remove them that program will stop
working.

Conversely, if you manually installed libraries to satisfy dependencies
of some other manually installed tarball, deborphan will know nothing
about these libs. And there's no way it could, naturally.


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Re: Lenny?

[Jeff Grossman]

Kumar Appaiah  wrote:

>On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:49:47AM +0530, Girish Kulkarni wrote:
>> What is the typical timescale in which web site update and
>> upgrade/installation documentation come up?  Can I change "etch" to
>> "lenny" in my sources.list to upgrade?
>
>You can do that, and safely assume that it is stable. The reason why
>the "we have released" mail has not been sent is because the CD images
>are still being built/pushed to mirrors. Since that is a monstrous
>task, given the number of CD images Debian makes available, that final
>step will take some time.
>
>I guess you should be hearing the official "We've released!" news
>tomorrow. However, putting "lenny" in your sources.list will work
>fine. If your mirror is not fully up-to-date today, within a few days,
>only an incremental update will be needed, once the remaining
>differences are mirrored.

I just went to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ and it appears the
5.0 CD/DVD images are now up on the site.  I would imagine the website
should be updated soon and an official release e-mail will also be
going out pretty soon.

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Re: Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[John W Foster]

On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 01:57 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:24:50AM -0600, John W Foster wrote:
> > I want to clean up my system as best I can. I have installed the
> > gtkorphan and deborphan for this purpose. My question is will these ONLY
> > remove .deb installed libs. I have several non-debian apps that I use
> > and do NOT want to remove libs that they require. Any suggestions??
> 
> If you are asking question like this, it is not good idea to mix archive
> unless they are in synch and supported.
> 
> http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch03.en.html#packagesfrommixesourceofarchives
> 
> Osamu
Thanks Osamu: as usual, your insight is spot on:The system I just
upgraded to Lenny started out as a woody install some years ago and this
is my firts effort to streamline the system. May be my last!!!:_)

I am aware that this is not usually considered a good practice. However
debian as vast as it is does not provide software that meets all my
needs. I therefore sometimes either "roll my own" or use pre-compiled
binaries that are designed to be installed from the basic tarball. An
example of these is BRL-CAD  and VARKON cad (old .debs). I also use
script driven apps such as Kompozer, MoneyDance, Gallery2 and the
tarball setup of Webmin as I prefer them, & with the exception of webmin
there are currently there are no debian maintainers to make these all
available, or in some case they are not "free" apps but stuff I pay for.
They install somes libs each time they are upgraded or installed. 
My question is more specifically about the capabilities of GTKOrphan and
deborphan: Do these apps ONLY find orphaned libs from debian packages or
do they somehow locate libs that are NOT a dependency of a debian
package. If the latter is the case I can not use these to get rid of the
200 or so libs (mostly java) that the deborphan app located. I will have
to continue doing it by checking individual dependencies of all packages
from all the sources that I use.
 
I have one vote fron John Hasler saying they only find .deb libs anyone
else got any ideas. BTW; He ain't no rookie either:=)
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Re: ALSA devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

[Michael Pobega]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 04:25:19PM +, T o n g wrote:
> [warning, long post]
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> My recent upgrade caused my sound card not working any more. Checking back
> at my packages version log, the only related upgrade is that
> alsa-base_1.0.17.dfsg-2 is upgraded to alsa-base_1.0.17.dfsg-4. 
> The rest are still the same:
> 
>   alsa-oss_1.0.15-1
>   alsa-utils_1.0.16-2
>   alsamixergui_0.9.0rc2-1-9
> 
> Yet, now I've got:
> 
>   $ ls /dev/dsp
>   ls: cannot access /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
> 
>   $ cat /dev/sndstat 
>   Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.16 emulation code)
>   Kernel: Linux helios.selfip.org 2.6.26-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Nov 26 
> 21:41:43 UTC 2008 i686
>   Config options: 0
> 
>   Installed drivers: 
>   Type 10: ALSA emulation
> 
>   Card config: 
>   VIA 8237 with AD1980 at 0xc800, irq 22
> 
>   Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
>   Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
>   Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
>   Timers:
>   31: system timer
> 
>   Mixers: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
> How should I fix that? 
> 
> FYI, the upgrade problem was more than that, I was able to fix another one:
> 
>   amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
> 
> which is what I get after successfully done the alsaconfig 
> 
>   Loading driver...
>   Setting default volumes...
>   amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
>   . . .
>   Now ALSA is ready to use
> 
> Here is a run-down of my sound card info:
> (Ref: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/
> thread/40209b7807c493d0/329f7bac986a6a93?lnk=raot&pli=1)
> 
>   $ hwinfo --sound
>   14: PCI 11.5: 0401 Multimedia audio controller  
> [Created at pci.310]
> Unique ID: Ssy1.KzJ6TO9PmfB
> SysFS ID: /devices/pci:00/:00:11.5
> SysFS BusID: :00:11.5
> Hardware Class: sound
> Model: "VIA VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller"
> Vendor: pci 0x1106 "VIA Technologies, Inc."
> Device: pci 0x3059 "VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller"
> SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
> SubDevice: pci 0x80b0 "A7V600/K8V-X/K8V Deluxe motherboard (ADI AD1980 
> codec [SoundMAX])"
> Revision: 0x60
> Driver: "VIA 82xx Audio"
> Driver Modules: "snd_via82xx"
> I/O Ports: 0xc800-0xc8ff (rw)
> IRQ: 22 (no events)
> Module Alias: "pci:v1106d3059sv1043sd80B0bc04sc01i00"
> Driver Info #0:
>   Driver Status: snd_via82xx is active
>   Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_via82xx"
> Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
> 
>   $ dpkg -l | grep asou
>   ii  libasound2 1.0.16-2   ALSA library
> 
>   $ dpkg -l | grep alsa
>   ii  alsa-base  1.0.17.dfsg-4  ALSA driver configuration files
>   ii  alsa-oss   1.0.15-1   ALSA wrapper for OSS applications
>   ii  alsa-utils 1.0.16-2   ALSA utilities
>   ii  alsamixergui   0.9.0rc2-1-9   graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA 
> soundcard
>   ii  libesd-alsa0   0.2.36-3   Enlightened Sound Daemon (ALSA) - Shared 
> lib
> 
>   $ lsmod | grep snd 
>   snd_via82xx22808  0 
>   gameport   11788  1 snd_via82xx
>   snd_mpu401_uart 7936  1 snd_via82xx
>   snd_via82xx_modem  12040  0 
>   snd_ac97_codec 91428  2 snd_via82xx,snd_via82xx_modem
>   snd_seq_midi7680  0 
>   snd_seq_midi_event  7552  1 snd_seq_midi
>   snd_rawmidi19200  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
>   ac97_bus3584  1 snd_ac97_codec
>   snd_pcm59396  3 snd_via82xx,snd_via82xx_modem,snd_ac97_codec
>   snd_seq42816  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
>   snd_timer  18696  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
>   snd_seq_device  7692  3 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
>   snd44344  9 
> snd_via82xx,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_via82xx_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
>   snd_page_alloc  9096  3 snd_via82xx,snd_via82xx_modem,snd_pcm
>   soundcore   7496  1 snd
> 
>   $ cat /proc/asound/version 
>   Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.16.
> 
>   $ cat /proc/asound/cards
>0 [V8237  ]: VIA8237 - VIA 8237
>   VIA 8237 with AD1980 at 0xc800, irq 22
> 
>   $ cat /proc/interrupts
>CPU0   
> 0: 76   IO-APIC-edge  timer
> 1:   1192   IO-APIC-edge  i8042
> 6:  3   IO-APIC-edge  floppy
> 8:  5   IO-APIC-edge  rtc0
> 9:  0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   acpi
>12: 105467   IO-APIC-edge  i8042
>14: 40   IO-APIC-edge  pata_via
>15: 99   IO-APIC-edge  pata_via
>16:  0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   rad...@pci::01:00.0
>17:   3184   IO-APIC-fasteoi   eth0
>20:  32542   IO-APIC-fasteoi   sata_via
>21:  0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, 
> uhci_hcd:u

Re: Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:24:50AM -0600, John W Foster wrote:
> I want to clean up my system as best I can. I have installed the
> gtkorphan and deborphan for this purpose. My question is will these ONLY
> remove .deb installed libs. I have several non-debian apps that I use
> and do NOT want to remove libs that they require. Any suggestions??

If you are asking question like this, it is not good idea to mix archive
unless they are in synch and supported.

http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch03.en.html#packagesfrommixesourceofarchives

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Re: Some documents on 3 PCs

[Allan Dreyer Andersen]

Jochen Schulz skrev:

During my studies, I had the same problem. First I tried unison, but I
found it too cumbersome. Then I switched to SVN and didn't regret it. In
the end I kept almost 1GB of data in my repository but common operations
were still fast. Today, I would probably try one of those distributed
VCSs like git because you cannot expect to always have network
connectivity. But SVN still is a good choice, so if you already know it
(or CVS, which is very similar) I propose you try that first.
  
Thanks a lot for your input Jochen and Clifford. I'll look into more of 
SVN, VCS and Unison.

It's very much appreciated.

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Re: Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[John Hasler]

John W. Foster writes:
> I want to clean up my system as best I can. I have installed the
> gtkorphan and deborphan for this purpose. My question is will these ONLY
> remove .deb installed libs?

They will only remove files installed by the package management system.

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Re: No-Script, was: Re: [OT] google earth 5.0

[Adam Hardy]

H.S. on 09/02/09 17:21, wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 02/09/2009 02:19 AM, Adam Hardy wrote:

Ron Johnson on 05/02/09 12:43, wrote:

On 02/05/2009 03:40 AM, Adam Hardy wrote:

[snip]

On my old machine I couldn't run FF tolerably without No-script.


Please expound.

In terms of speed - with No-script disabled, the javascript on many 
websites causes FF to lock up completely for 10, 20 or even 30 seconds 
(and without even displaying anything to read).



Really?  How old of a machine?


I can give one example: in Icepae (Debian Testing) it takes around 30 seconds
to get Slashdot page loaded partially when Iceape then tells me that the web
page has a script running that is taking a bit too long. I then tell noscript
to stop that script. End result, around 30 seconds to load this web page.

This is on a 1.9 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor, 1.25 GB RAM.

On a newer machine that web page loads within some seconds, around 5 or so if
I am not wrong.


Just realised I had engaged my mouth (or better said my keyboard) before
engaging my brain - I use firebug with all its HTML, Javascript and HTTP
analytics and I have been running that all the time, effectively debugging all
the javascript that loads. Disabling it for normal surfing has dropped the load
times (and javascript freeze) by 66%. Doofus.

It's iceweasel running on a P4 2.4GHz CPU with 1048MB RAM with 2.5Mbps BB.

maps.google.co.uk takes 20 secs to load first up, unless I leave firebug
activated in which case it takes 1 min 10 secs :S

The other pages such as BBC.co.uk and nabble.com take 5 secs without firebug -
nothing to complain about too much I guess.


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ALSA devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

[T o n g]

[warning, long post]

Hi, 

My recent upgrade caused my sound card not working any more. Checking back
at my packages version log, the only related upgrade is that
alsa-base_1.0.17.dfsg-2 is upgraded to alsa-base_1.0.17.dfsg-4. 
The rest are still the same:

  alsa-oss_1.0.15-1
  alsa-utils_1.0.16-2
  alsamixergui_0.9.0rc2-1-9

Yet, now I've got:

  $ ls /dev/dsp
  ls: cannot access /dev/dsp: No such file or directory

  $ cat /dev/sndstat 
  Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.16 emulation code)
  Kernel: Linux helios.selfip.org 2.6.26-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Nov 26 
21:41:43 UTC 2008 i686
  Config options: 0

  Installed drivers: 
  Type 10: ALSA emulation

  Card config: 
  VIA 8237 with AD1980 at 0xc800, irq 22

  Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

  Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

  Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

  Timers:
  31: system timer

  Mixers: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

How should I fix that? 

FYI, the upgrade problem was more than that, I was able to fix another one:

  amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device

which is what I get after successfully done the alsaconfig 

  Loading driver...
  Setting default volumes...
  amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
  . . .
  Now ALSA is ready to use

Here is a run-down of my sound card info:
(Ref: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/
thread/40209b7807c493d0/329f7bac986a6a93?lnk=raot&pli=1)

  $ hwinfo --sound
  14: PCI 11.5: 0401 Multimedia audio controller  
[Created at pci.310]
Unique ID: Ssy1.KzJ6TO9PmfB
SysFS ID: /devices/pci:00/:00:11.5
SysFS BusID: :00:11.5
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "VIA VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller"
Vendor: pci 0x1106 "VIA Technologies, Inc."
Device: pci 0x3059 "VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller"
SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
SubDevice: pci 0x80b0 "A7V600/K8V-X/K8V Deluxe motherboard (ADI AD1980 
codec [SoundMAX])"
Revision: 0x60
Driver: "VIA 82xx Audio"
Driver Modules: "snd_via82xx"
I/O Ports: 0xc800-0xc8ff (rw)
IRQ: 22 (no events)
Module Alias: "pci:v1106d3059sv1043sd80B0bc04sc01i00"
Driver Info #0:
  Driver Status: snd_via82xx is active
  Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_via82xx"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

  $ dpkg -l | grep asou
  ii  libasound2 1.0.16-2   ALSA library

  $ dpkg -l | grep alsa
  ii  alsa-base  1.0.17.dfsg-4  ALSA driver configuration files
  ii  alsa-oss   1.0.15-1   ALSA wrapper for OSS applications
  ii  alsa-utils 1.0.16-2   ALSA utilities
  ii  alsamixergui   0.9.0rc2-1-9   graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard
  ii  libesd-alsa0   0.2.36-3   Enlightened Sound Daemon (ALSA) - Shared lib

  $ lsmod | grep snd 
  snd_via82xx22808  0 
  gameport   11788  1 snd_via82xx
  snd_mpu401_uart 7936  1 snd_via82xx
  snd_via82xx_modem  12040  0 
  snd_ac97_codec 91428  2 snd_via82xx,snd_via82xx_modem
  snd_seq_midi7680  0 
  snd_seq_midi_event  7552  1 snd_seq_midi
  snd_rawmidi19200  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
  ac97_bus3584  1 snd_ac97_codec
  snd_pcm59396  3 snd_via82xx,snd_via82xx_modem,snd_ac97_codec
  snd_seq42816  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
  snd_timer  18696  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
  snd_seq_device  7692  3 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
  snd44344  9 
snd_via82xx,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_via82xx_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
  snd_page_alloc  9096  3 snd_via82xx,snd_via82xx_modem,snd_pcm
  soundcore   7496  1 snd

  $ cat /proc/asound/version 
  Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.16.

  $ cat /proc/asound/cards
   0 [V8237  ]: VIA8237 - VIA 8237
VIA 8237 with AD1980 at 0xc800, irq 22

  $ cat /proc/interrupts
 CPU0   
0: 76   IO-APIC-edge  timer
1:   1192   IO-APIC-edge  i8042
6:  3   IO-APIC-edge  floppy
8:  5   IO-APIC-edge  rtc0
9:  0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   acpi
   12: 105467   IO-APIC-edge  i8042
   14: 40   IO-APIC-edge  pata_via
   15: 99   IO-APIC-edge  pata_via
   16:  0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   rad...@pci::01:00.0
   17:   3184   IO-APIC-fasteoi   eth0
   20:  32542   IO-APIC-fasteoi   sata_via
   21:  0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, 
uhci_hcd:usb3, uhci_hcd:usb4, ehci_hcd:usb5
   22:  0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   VIA8237
  NMI:  0   Non-maskable interrupts
  LOC: 122874   Local timer interrupts
  RES:  0   Rescheduling interrupts
  CAL:  0   function call interrupts
  TLB:  0   TLB shootdowns
  TRM:  0   Thermal event in

Orphaned packages & libs removal question

[John W Foster]

I want to clean up my system as best I can. I have installed the
gtkorphan and deborphan for this purpose. My question is will these ONLY
remove .deb installed libs. I have several non-debian apps that I use
and do NOT want to remove libs that they require. Any suggestions??
Thanks!
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Re: Lenny?

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 01:19:47 am Girish Kulkarni wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Any news of Lenny yet?  The Debian home page continues to say "The
> latest stable release of Debian is 4.0." and everyone seems quiet on
> the lists.
>
> The only places that gave an indication that Lenny is indeed the new
> stable were the README file on ftp.us.debian.org and Joerg Jaspert
> post on his blog:
>
> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/README.html
> http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2009/02/14/lenny-release.html
>
> What is the typical timescale in which web site update and
> upgrade/installation documentation come up?  Can I change "etch" to
> "lenny" in my sources.list to upgrade?
>
> Thanks,
> Girish.
>
> --
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Offically released Today, Sunday, February 15, 2009. 
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Re: From x86 to x86-64

[S Scharf]

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote:

> On 30 Jan 2009, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > tinkywinky wrote:
> > > I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd
> like
> > > to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without
> having
> > > to reinstall?
> >
> > There is a very simple way: just install the linux-image-*-amd64 and
> > boot into that kernel. This will run a 64bit kernel with your 32bit
> > system. It won't be 'fully' 64, but for me it's 64bit enough on my
> laptop.
> >
> > I don't really know how much real life improvement a fresh install of
> > amd64 would yield, but I guess for most desktop systems it is not really
> > to worry about...
> > (Please correct me, if that's wrong or share any expererience on that)
> >
> > YMMV, cheers,
> >
> > Johannes
> >
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
>
> Reading your post, I found I'd been doing that for a long time without
> realizing it!. I've never had any problems; whether there is any benefit
> I've no idea.
>
> Anthony


All,
I was thnking of doing a 32 bit to 64 bit upgrade myself using the "dpkg
--get-selections"
and "dpkg --set-selections"route. This raises another question:

Can I install the 64 bit linux image, change my sources.list file to amd64
and do
a dist-upgrade?

Stuart

Lib errors

[Pal Trendweaver]

Dear all,

Today I installed Cisco Anyconnect on my Lenny-AMD64 box.
When trying to start the agent, the following error occurs:

Lenny-Home:/opt/cisco/vpn/bin# ./vpnagentd
./vpnagentd: error while loading shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory

When I check /usr/lib/ there are these files:

Lenny-Home:/usr/lib# ls libxml*
libxml2.so.2  libxml2.so.2.6.32

AFAIK anyconnect needs libxml2.so.2.6.27.

When trying to start the vpn GUI this happens:

Lenny-Home:/opt/cisco/vpn/bin# ./vpnui
./vpnui: error while loading shared libraries: libatk-1.0.so.0: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory

Again these files are listed:

Lenny-Home:/usr/lib# ls libatk-1.0*
libatk-1.0.so.0  libatk-1.0.so.0.2209.1

I've been having these shared lib-errors on several occasions now, but I
can't tell what's wrong.

Any help?

Thanks, Peter

Re: Lenny?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 08:47:06 -0600, Kent West wrote:
> > 2009/2/15 Kent West:
> >
> > Should this be happening?

[...]

> wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo apt-get update
> Password:

[...]

> W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
> 4D270D06F42584E6
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

Check the version of your debian-archive-keyring package; the newest one
(2009.01.31) has this key:

$ gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --list-key 
4D270D06F42584E6
pub   1024D/F42584E6 2008-04-06 [expires: 2012-05-15]
uid  Lenny Stable Release Key 

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Why it tried connection, since I just install CD1

[abdelkader belahcene]

Hi,
I am happy that the lenny is released,
but  Why it tried connection, since I just install CD1, I have no connection
to internet, it took a long time to install because it tried to download I
don't know what.

I switched  to terminal 2 (ctrl+alt+f2) I noticed http process is running ??

I hope that the connection will be disabled

Thanks for help
bela

Re: problems with update/remove/install 'NO SPACE ON DEVICE"

[Kent West]

raman narasimhan wrote:
> sir,
> whenever i try to install/remove/update a package, i get the message
> 'no space left on device'
> what am i supposed to do??
> for example:
>
> debian:~#  update-initramfs -u -t -k `uname -r`
> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
> cp: writing
> `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB//usr/share/splashy/themes/default/error.png':
> No space left on device


If you'll run "df -h", you'll see which partition[s] is/are full. You'll
have to clean some space off that partition.

Likely, you can run "aptitude autoclean" to get rid of old .debs that
are not longer needed, which could free up a lot of space. Run "df -h"
before and after this command to see the difference in free space it made.

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Re: Lenny?

[Kent West]

Leniy Tsan wrote:

> 2009/2/15 Kent West mailto:we...@acu.edu>>
>
>
> Should this be happening?
>
> Sun Feb 15 07:05:59
> -
> wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo aptitude update
> Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release.gpg [386B]
> Get:2 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release.gpg [189B]
> Get:3 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
> Hit http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release
> Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release
> Ign http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex
> Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
> Hit http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages
> Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib
> Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
> Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages
> Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Packages
> Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
> Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages
> Fetched 3B in 1s (3B/s)
> Reading package lists... Done
> W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
> 4D270D06F42584E6
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>
>
>
> Greet!
> update now
>

You mean, like this, which gives the same results?

Sun Feb 15 07:06:54
-
wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo apt-get update
Password:
Get:1 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Get:2 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
Get:3 http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release.gpg [386B]
Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages
Ign http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages
Fetched 3B in 0s (4B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
4D270D06F42584E6
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems


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problems with update/remove/install 'NO SPACE ON DEVICE"

[raman narasimhan]

sir,
whenever i try to install/remove/update a package, i get the message 'no
space left on device'
what am i supposed to do??
for example:

debian:~#  update-initramfs -u -t -k `uname -r`
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB//usr/share/splashy/themes/default/error.png': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB//usr/share/splashy/themes/default/theme.xml': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB//usr/share/splashy/themes/default/suspend.png': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB//usr/share/splashy/themes/default/background.png':
No space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB//usr/share/splashy/themes/default/error.png': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB//usr/share/splashy/themes/default/theme.xml': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB//usr/share/splashy/themes/default/suspend.png': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB//usr/share/splashy/themes/default/background.png':
No space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/links.conf': No space left on
device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/libnjb.rules': No space left
on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/logitechmouse.rules': No space
left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/udev.conf': No space left on
device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/alsa-utils.rules': No space
left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/libmtp7.rules': No space left
on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/hdparm.rules': No space left
on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/libgphoto2.rules': No space
left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules':
No space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/024_hpmud.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/75-cd-aliases-generator.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libsane.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules':
No space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libpisock9.rules':
No space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules':
No space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/60-vzctl.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-input.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules': No space
left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/45-hplip.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libsane-extras.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/95-late.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/90-hal.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing `/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/55-hpmud.rules': No
space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-v4l.rules': No space
left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage-tape.rules':
No space left on device
cp: writing
`/tmp/mkinitramfs_LnkiaB/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules': No space
left on device
debian:~#

Re: Lenny?

[Leniy Tsan]

2009/2/15 Kent West 

> Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:09:03PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> >
> >> Girish Kulkarni wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> What is the typical timescale in which web site update and
> >>> upgrade/installation documentation come up?  Can I change "etch" to
> >>> "lenny" in my sources.list to upgrade?
> >>>
> >
> > Yes. Lenny is already in the mirrors. It's just not called "stable". And
> > it is anyway a good idea not to use the names 'stable' and 'testing' in
> > sources.list .
> >
> >
> >> I did that months ago. Make sure you do it in text mode and first do
> >> "aptitude upgrade" after that's done then do "aptitude full-upgrade", if
> >> you already know this then disregard my comments. :)
> >>
> >
> > Start with:
> >
> >   aptitude install aptitude
> >
> > This will upgrade apt, dpkg, aptitude, libc6 and some other stuff.
> > Generally newer apt/aptitude is more apt in handling upgrades.
> >
> >
> Should this be happening?
>
> Sun Feb 15 07:05:59
> -
> wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo aptitude update
> Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release.gpg [386B]
> Get:2 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release.gpg [189B]
> Get:3 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
> Hit http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release
> Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release
> Ign http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex
> Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
> Hit http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages
> Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
> Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages
> Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Packages
> Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
> Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages
> Fetched 3B in 1s (3B/s)
> Reading package lists... Done
> W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
> 4D270D06F42584E6
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>
>
>
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Re: avi to swf format conversion in Etch?

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 05:09:54AM -0800, Dancing Fingers wrote:
> Hi guys,
> My ultimate goal is to convert an .avi to a .swf video file.  ffmpeg
> does't support the swf format ...

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Re: Wich e-mail server to choose?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 07:00:33 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Sat February 14 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > I'm not sure what you mean. what does the "rc" mean, and what should I
> > > do?
> >
> > $ dpkg -l | head -n7
> 
> $ dpkg -l | head -n7
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: 
> uppercase=bad)
> ||/ 

[...]

> I looked through the entire man page and STILL don't see any reference to rc. 
> and a google search turned me to the Debian FAQ on package management that 
> still didn't mention it.

The first three lines of the "dpkg -l" output tell you what the
abbreviations mean. The ASCII art lines of pipes and slashes indicate
which information is at each position (first "desired", then "status",
then "error") and the capitalized letters point out how each possible
value is abbreviated.

A Package with "rc " has "Desired=Remove", "Status=Cfg-files" and no
errors (since there is no third letter). This means that you had the
package installed at some point, that you then removed it without
purging the configuration files, and that there were no problems
encountered during the removal.

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Re: Lenny?

[Kent West]

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:09:03PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>   
>> Girish Kulkarni wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> What is the typical timescale in which web site update and
>>> upgrade/installation documentation come up?  Can I change "etch" to
>>> "lenny" in my sources.list to upgrade?
>>>   
>
> Yes. Lenny is already in the mirrors. It's just not called "stable". And
> it is anyway a good idea not to use the names 'stable' and 'testing' in
> sources.list .
>
>   
>> I did that months ago. Make sure you do it in text mode and first do
>> "aptitude upgrade" after that's done then do "aptitude full-upgrade", if
>> you already know this then disregard my comments. :)
>> 
>
> Start with:
>
>   aptitude install aptitude
>
> This will upgrade apt, dpkg, aptitude, libc6 and some other stuff.
> Generally newer apt/aptitude is more apt in handling upgrades.
>
>   
Should this be happening?

Sun Feb 15 07:05:59
-
wes...@]goshen]:/home/westk:> sudo aptitude update
Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release.gpg [386B]
Get:2 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Get:3 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release
Ign http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
Hit http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages
Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages
Fetched 3B in 1s (3B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
4D270D06F42584E6
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avi to swf format conversion in Etch?

[Dancing Fingers]

Hi guys,
My ultimate goal is to convert an .avi to a .swf video file.  ffmpeg
does't support the swf format and the standard version of swftools, in
etch, doesn't include avi2swf.  So I tried to compile the swftools
source, after installing zlib1g-dev, but I get

 make
making all in m4...
cd m4;make all
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/m4'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/m4'
making all in lib...
cd lib;make all
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/
lib'
cd pdf;make libpdf
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib/
pdf'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `libpdf'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib/
pdf'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib'
making all in lib/pdf...
cd lib/pdf;make all
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib/
pdf'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib/
pdf'
making all in lib...
cd lib;make all
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/
lib'
cd pdf;make libpdf
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib/
pdf'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `libpdf'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib/
pdf'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib'
making all in lib/python...
cd lib/python;make all
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib/
python'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/lib/
python'
making all in src...
cd src;make all
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/
src'
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H png2swf.o -o png2swf ../lib/librfxswf.a ../lib/
libbase.a -L/usr/local/lib -lz -lm
png2swf.o: In function `MovieAddFrame':
png2swf.c:(.text+0x2ae): undefined reference to `swf_SetJPEGBits2'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[1]: *** [png2swf] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/cricky/swftools-2009-02-11-1846/src'
make: *** [all] Error 2

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Chris


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Re: digital camera recomendations

[Paul Cartwright]

On Sat February 14 2009, Mike McClain wrote:
> I'm in the market for an inexpensive digital camera.
> Just for snapshots and was wondering if anyone had recommendations
> or knows where I could find which are going to work with Debian.
> Just something simple with USB, AA batteries and that uses a generic
> mem card.

when you say "generic" memory card.. just a small FYI. As I found out when I 
added an 8Gb card for my mp3 player. Neither one of my PCs with SD slots 
would recognize it. for anything over 4Gb you need it to be an HDSC capable 
slot, not just SD..  My camera has the USB cable to PC, so it will transfer 
just fine, but I made the mistake of trying to plug in the 8GB card from the 
MP3 player directly into the PC, and that didn't work. As long as you can 
just plug the camera into the PC using the USB cable it just work fine.

For my camera I use digikam app , fire up digikam, and tell it to import from 
USB-camera, and it brings up a nice window with all the pictures on the 
camera that you can select from to transfer/delete..

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Re: Wich e-mail server to choose?

[Paul Cartwright]

On Sat February 14 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > I'm not sure what you mean. what does the "rc" mean, and what should I
> > do?
>
> $ dpkg -l | head -n7

$ dpkg -l | head -n7
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: 
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GNU a2ps - 'Anything to PostScript' converter and pretty-printer
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Package created with checkinstall 1.6.1
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I looked through the entire man page and STILL don't see any reference to rc. 
and a google search turned me to the Debian FAQ on package management that 
still didn't mention it.

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Paul Cartwright
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Registered Ubuntu User #12459


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Re: Lenny?

[Szalai Balázs]

>On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:09:03PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>> Girish Kulkarni wrote:
>>
>>> What is the typical timescale in which web site update and
>>> upgrade/installation documentation come up?  Can I change "etch" to
>>> "lenny" in my sources.list to upgrade?
>
>Yes. Lenny is already in the mirrors. It's just not called  
"stable". And
>it is anyway a good idea not to use the names 'stable' and  
'testing' in

>sources.list .
>
>>
>> I did that months ago. Make sure you do it in text mode and first do
>> "aptitude upgrade" after that's done then do "aptitude full- 
upgrade", if

>> you already know this then disregard my comments. :)
>
>Start with:
>
>  aptitude install aptitude
>
>This will upgrade apt, dpkg, aptitude, libc6 and some other stuff.
>Generally newer apt/aptitude is more apt in handling upgrades.

The maintainers switched to lenny and a piece of letter does not come  
from
neither the announce@ or the debian-u...@  This is not too  
correct...


Best regards,

Balazs Szalai


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