Lenny bricked {effectively} ps3 on dist-upgrade from etch.

[Greg.Chandler]

So I was running etch, needed to upgrade to use the ppu-gcc package
I had, and upon reboot after an:
apt-get dist-upgrade, the machine will boot, but nothing works.

As far as I can tell it says something about udev failing due to kernel
version issues. USB and network no longer work so I have no way to get
serial, keyboard, or ssh access to the machine.

Does anyone know of a way {or support in the kernel} to force a device
so I can log in and fix it?
I would really prefer not to have to re-install.


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problem with IPTABLEs

[Long Wind]

Thanks to those who reply!

Gmail has changed! it combine many mails into one. I am confused. I am mad.


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Re: Numeric keypad doesn't work!

[Jeff Soules]

Is the keyboard model correctly set under Gnome's Keyboard Preferences
control panel?  How about in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?  Are either of those
set to a keyboard type that doesn't have a numpad?

Just a shot in the dark, but can't hurt to check.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Dennis Wicks  wrote:
> Greetings;
>
> I just noticed today that my numeric keypad doesn't work under Gnome, but
> works fine in a console session. (Ctl-Alt-F1) I've tried changing the
> keyboard brands and models but nothing makes any difference. Still doesn't
> work, regardless of NumLock setting. And the LED does turn on and off with
> the NumLock.
>
> Anybody have the solution for this problem?
>
> TIA!
> Dennis


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Numeric keypad doesn't work!

[Dennis Wicks]

Greetings;

I just noticed today that my numeric keypad doesn't work 
under Gnome, but works fine in a console session. 
(Ctl-Alt-F1) I've tried changing the keyboard brands and 
models but nothing makes any difference. Still doesn't work, 
regardless of NumLock setting. And the LED does turn on and 
off with the NumLock.


Anybody have the solution for this problem?

TIA!
Dennis


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Re: Please brainstorm: Word-processor compatible with version control

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 12:59:05 Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I'd like a word processor compatible with version control systems
> (hereafter abbreviated VCS)  Having been duly impressed for decades now
> how useful VCSs are for programming, I'd like to use them for writing as
> well.
>
> I use monotone as my VCS. but I don't suppose my trials are unique to
> monotone.
>
> There are a few other requirements, too, such as ability to export to
> file formats often demanded by publishers (such as pdf, Word, and plain
> ASCII text)

KWord can save as "exploded" ODF, which is a directory with the same file 
layout as the zip-file layout of the ODF format.  From here you can use 
standard text handling tools, mostly.  It's still XML, so you might try tools 
that are specialized for handling an "XML diff".

I've also heard of a "oodiff" or "odfdiff" tool that can handle the normal ODF 
format as output to OpenOffice.org or whatever ODF editor you want to use.

ISTR monotone allowing you to choose what tool(s) are used for merging and 
auto-resolving conflicts through various hooks.
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Re: gulus.usherbrooke.ca Debian repo down?

[Bob Cox]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 22:44:09 -0500, H.S. (hs.sa...@gmail.com) wrote: 

> Getting connection timed out
> 
> Err http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca testing Release.gpg
>   Could not connect to gulus.usherbrooke.ca:80 (206.167.141.10),
> connection timed out
> Err http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca testing/main Translation-en_CA
>   Unable to connect to gulus.usherbrooke.ca http:
> Err http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca testing/contrib Translation-en_CA
>   Unable to connect to gulus.usherbrooke.ca http:
> Err http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca testing/non-free Translation-en_CA
>   Unable to connect to gulus.usherbrooke.ca http:
> Reading package lists... Done

Yes, it is down.

Try a different Canadian mirror instead?  

http://debian.mirror.rafal.ca/
http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/
http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ 

all seem to be up.

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gulus.usherbrooke.ca Debian repo down?

[H.S.]

Getting connection timed out

Err http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca testing Release.gpg
  Could not connect to gulus.usherbrooke.ca:80 (206.167.141.10),
connection timed out
Err http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca testing/main Translation-en_CA
  Unable to connect to gulus.usherbrooke.ca http:
Err http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca testing/contrib Translation-en_CA
  Unable to connect to gulus.usherbrooke.ca http:
Err http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca testing/non-free Translation-en_CA
  Unable to connect to gulus.usherbrooke.ca http:
Reading package lists... Done


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Re: Do you know about DebianON?

[The Eclectic One]

>Hi!
>
>There is a new release (hooray for lenny ;), and I am
>sure there will be several user doing a fresh install on their
>laptops. 
>
>I would like to propose that you have a look at
>
>  http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/
>
>and consider contributing.

>...

>It won't take you long, but if you are to tech guy and want to give something
>back, this might be one way.

>Thanks for considering, I will not bother you any longer ;)

Good idea.  In fact, I have written a pretty complete page about my
experience installing Lenny on a Dell Inspiron 8600 and I just tried
to add a link to it in the wiki above but it won't let me.  I presume
what I need is the "portal page"?  In any case, if someone with the
proper access could add this:

http://eclectic.freeshell.org/debian-8600.html

to the proper wiki path in the Dell section (ie: Inspiron8600/lenny)
more people would find it.  It's already linked from http://linux-laptop.net


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Re: Please brainstorm: Word-processor compatible with version control

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:25:55 +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> If you work with latex in an editor, most do line wrapping without
> inserting line breaks, although you would probably need to work with the
> editor at a sane width so lines won't wrap across the whole screen.
> 
> I just looked at the lyx source file and it does line wrapping so it may
> no do what you want, but as it depends on the number of charachters and
> not character width (should be the same using fixed width fonts in any
> editor), just changing a letter should change line breaking, adding one
> is another issue.

It's OK if it wraps on  the screen.  It's not so OK if it dies it in the 
file.
 But it also needs to break lines at points that do not change with small 
edits, so the version control system can distinguish independent changes 
that are close together.

Or maybe it's revision control systems that need to change.  Know any 
that *don't* diff and merge entire lines?

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Re: aptitude

[Jimmy Johnson]

consultores1 wrote:

Situation: (Sid-Kde)

1 week ago, aptitude could not connect to a server in Canada; then I
changed to US server, and aptitude misbehave working.



Now, I dont have Internet connection anymore; I have tried with
ifconfig/iwconfig/iwlist/dhcpcd/dhclient and I can not stay connected.



Strangely, I can do scans, but i can not be connected.



How can I resolve this situation?
How can I have again sid-kde as if it were recently installed? the
default installation.



PS:
apt-listbugs is not working, and Open Office has been remove from my OS
as many other packages.


With Sid/unstable you need to do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" 
also known as "Safe Upgrade" or "Default Upgrade", better yet use 
Synaptic and don't do the "Smart Upgrade" by default.


And yes, Sid is currently broken and is the case with Sid, sorry I can't 
fix your mess, but, now you have the information you need to keep it 
from happening again.


I hope that helped.
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Debian 5.0 On Dell Latitude CP 233MT

[debian]

I installed Debian 5.0 on a Dell Latitude CP 233MT. I've had this machine
for a long time, its run fine with 3.0 and 4.0 over the years. I'm having
one problem with it under 5.0. When it boots up, it loads modules then
when it's populating /dev there is a huge pause, I haven't timed it, but
at least a couple of minutes. Fire it up and then hit the bathroom or a go
get a glass of water type pause.

In the tasksel during the install, I picked just laptop and basic system,
I installed X later. The first time I rebooted, the pause was so long, and
the text output looked so odd, I thought it locked up. Has anyone had this
same experience on similar hardware? Does the slowdown seem normal on a
machine of this class or do you think anyhthing can be done to tweak it?


a clip from dmesg:

[   56.594202] EIP: 0060:[] EFLAGS: 00010246 CPU: 0
[   56.594202] EIP is at pnp_activate_dev+0x3/0x3a
[   56.594202] EAX:  EBX:  ECX: 0014 EDX: 
[   56.594202] ESI:  EDI: c343ae00 EBP: c02273a2 ESP: c357fdf8
[   56.594202]  DS: 007b ES: 007b FS:  GS: 0033 SS: 0068
[   56.594202] Process modprobe (pid: 1281, ti=c357e000 task=c345e8c0
task.ti=c3
57e000)
[   56.594202] Stack:  c49ea3a3 c229d400  c49ea77d
c343ae00 
fff0 c49ec680
[   56.594202]c0207a68 c343ae00  c49ec69c c022732c
c343ae00 c343
aea8 c49ec69c
[   56.594202]c02273d9  c034e780 c49ec69c c0226c09
c343c658 c343
c658 c343ae48
[   56.594202] Call Trace:
[   56.594202]  [] snd_cs423x_pnp_init_wss+0xd/0xe1 [snd_cs4232]
[   56.594202]  [] snd_cs4232_pnpbios_detect+0x88/0xe8 [snd_cs4232]
[   56.594202]  [] pnp_device_probe+0x70/0x90
[   56.594202]  [] driver_probe_device+0xb4/0x12a
[   56.594202]  [] __driver_attach+0x37/0x55
[   56.594202]  [] bus_for_each_dev+0x39/0x5b
[   56.594202]  [] driver_attach+0x11/0x13
[   56.594202]  [] __driver_attach+0x0/0x55
[   56.594202]  [] bus_add_driver+0x8a/0x1a5
[   56.594202]  [] kset_find_obj+0x18/0x40
[   56.594202]  [] driver_register+0x6d/0xc1
[   56.594202]  [] alsa_card_cs423x_init+0x27/0x64 [snd_cs4232]
[   56.594202]  [] sys_init_module+0x1509/0x165a
[   56.594202]  [] do_page_fault+0x294/0x5ea
[   56.594202]  [] __do_fault+0x2b6/0x2f2
[   56.594202]  [] __request_region+0x0/0x5f
[   56.594202]  [] syscall_call+0x7/0xb
[   56.594202]  ===
[   56.594202] Code: 93 8c 00 00 00 52 50 68 20 5b 31 c0 e8 9b 38 f1 ff b8
f0 ff
 ff ff 83 c4 0c eb 09 b8 ed ff ff ff eb 02 31 c0 5b 5e 5f c3 53 31 d2 <83>
b8 58
 01 00 00 00 89 c3 75 25 e8 73 ff ff ff ba f0 ff ff ff
[   56.594202] EIP: [] pnp_activate_dev+0x3/0x3a SS:ESP
0068:c357fdf8
[   56.603968] ---[ end trace 8725eb22de5767d5 ]---


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Re: Software RAID w/ mdadm -- Need Partitions?

[Kelly Harding]

>>
>> Also, with Linux Software RAID, you can convert the metadata of RAID1
>> to RAID5 to expand a 2 drive RAID1 mirrored array to a 2 drive RAID5
>> degraded array to add another drive to later. I've done this multiple
>> times and had no problems with it.
>
> I thought it wasn't possible to convert raid type. sure it wasn't a
> degraded raid5 you started with ?
>

I'm quite sure.

Read this blog post:
http://scott.wallace.sh/2007/04/converting-raid1-to-raid5-with-no-data-loss/

It does indeed work, as I've done it twice now.

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RE: aptitude

[consultores1]

El jue, 26-02-2009 a las 01:28 +, GERARDO GONZALEZ escribió:
> MIERDA

?

> > Subject: Re: aptitude
> > From: consultor...@gmail.com
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:17:37 -0800
> > 
> > El mié, 25-02-2009 a las 08:53 -0800, Raquel escribió:
> > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:28:23 -0800
> > > consultores1  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > El mar, 24-02-2009 a las 23:58 -0800, consultores1 escribió:
> > > > > Situation: (Sid-Kde)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1 week ago, aptitude could not connect to a server in Canada;
> > > > > then I changed to US server, and aptitude misbehave working.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now, I dont have Internet connection anymore; I have tried
> with
> > > > > ifconfig/iwconfig/iwlist/dhcpcd/dhclient and I can not stay
> > > > > connected.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Alternatively, i removed aptitude and network-manager, and for
> now
> > > > everything is working correctly; configuring the net with
> > > > ipconfig/iwconfig. but i use apt-get on a Lenny box, then this
> is
> > > > not a solution, i think.
> > > > 
> > > > tcpdump/iptraf did not give any relevant information, and
> sending
> > > > pings gave me an unreachable ap.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't know if aptitude has any relation to your network problem.
> > > I'm speaking only to your network problem.
> > > 
> > > I was having problems getting connected, using network-manager. I
> > > switched to WICD (http://www.wicd.net). I've not had any problems
> > > since.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Raquel
> > > http://www.byraquel.com
> > 
> > Thanks, I have tested it, the relation between
> aptitude/network-manager
> > is because aptitude identify what network-manager is going to fail,
> then
> > suggest to install gnome-network-manager, and the the user is
> confused
> > (this is a kde environment), and the problems appeared. Related to
> > aptitude, something had happened with visual aptitude.



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Re: problem with IPTABLEs

[Andrew Reid]

On Wednesday 25 February 2009 19:28:35 Long Wind wrote:
> I want to specify a domain name in rules
> but the domain name often changes IP
> Is there anything I can do about it?

  Can you meet your need with tcpwrappers?
They work quite well with domain names, and if you're 
trying to selectively allow a particular service, 
are probably the right choice.

  Check the man-pages of /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny
for details.

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hal and alsa and order of audo devices (USB and onboard)

[H.S.]

Hello,

I was having problem with detection of my audio devices during a reboot
when a USB headset was connected. A kind soul had suggested what to do
in one of my earlier queries about this.

So here is what I did:

1. Appended this to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
---
#added by HS, 20090223, to prevent MS usb headset from getting number 0
#options snd-usb-audio index=1
alias snd-card-0 snd_ens1371
alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio
alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio
alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio
#for the PCI audio card
options snd_ens1371 index=0
#for MS LifeChat LX-3000 USB headset, Logitech A-0356A USB headset
options snd-usb-audio index=1,2 vid=0x045e,0x046d pid=0x070f,0x0a01
-

Now, while rebooting with the LX-3000 USB headset connected, I get this:
$> aplay -l
 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: AudioPCI [Ensoniq AudioPCI], device 0: ES1371/1 [ES1371 DAC2/ADC]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: AudioPCI [Ensoniq AudioPCI], device 1: ES1371/2 [ES1371 DAC1]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: default [Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000 ], device 0: USB Audio [USB
Audio]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0


The order shown above is now what I get consistently. Earlier I never
got the AudioPCI if LX-3000 was connected while rebooting. But why is
LX-3000 named as default here and how do I make sure that the AudioPCI
is the default always?


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Re: problem with IPTABLEs

[Alex Samad]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 07:28:35PM -0500, Long Wind wrote:
> I want to specify a domain name in rules
> but the domain name often changes IP
> Is there anything I can do about it?
cron is your friend ?

> 
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Re: Software RAID w/ mdadm -- Need Partitions?

[Alex Samad]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:09:11AM +1100, Owen Townend wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:

[snip]

> 
> I use partitions in my set-up for this reason, it makes it
> _slightly_ more fool-proof.

me 2 I would agree with this

> 
> cheers,
> Owen.
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Re: Software RAID w/ mdadm -- Need Partitions?

[Alex Samad]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:22:08AM +, Kelly Harding wrote:
> 2009/2/26 Kelly Harding :
> > 2009/2/25 Owen Townend :
> >> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >>> I've created RAIDs in the past where I just used the entire drive and
> >>> ones where I created a single partition on the drives and used the
> >>> partition.  It seems that there is no real difference in behavior.
> >>>
> >>> If I'm planning on using a drive for a RAID, is there any reason I
> >>> should create a single partition spanning the entire drive and using
> >>> that instead of just using the drive in its entirety for the RAID?
> >>>
> 
> I've used RAID5 with the raid mounted from /dev/md0 with XFS
> filesystem directly on it, without issues.
> 
> This works fine for large media volumes.
> 
> My intention is to move /home to a RAID1 with LVM on top so I can
> change the size of the partitions on top of the RAID array and have it
> split into more than just /home should I feel th eneed.
> 
> Also, with Linux Software RAID, you can convert the metadata of RAID1
> to RAID5 to expand a 2 drive RAID1 mirrored array to a 2 drive RAID5
> degraded array to add another drive to later. I've done this multiple
> times and had no problems with it.

I thought it wasn't possible to convert raid type. sure it wasn't a
degraded raid5 you started with ?


from man mdadm

Grow   Grow (or shrink) an array, or otherwise reshape it in some way.
Currently supported growth options including changing the active size of



-l, --level=
  Set raid level.  When used with --create, options are:
linear, raid0, 0, stripe, raid1, 1, mirror, raid4, 4, raid5, 5, raid6,
6,  raid10,
  10, multipath, mp, faulty.  Obviously some of these are
synonymous.

  When used with --build, only linear, stripe, raid0, 0,
raid1, multipath, mp, and faulty are valid.

  Not yet supported with --grow.

the last line being the pertinent one

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> Kelly
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Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Dave Patterson]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 05:52:32PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2009 17:44:06 Dave Patterson wrote:
> > use Knoppix for Debian.
> 
> Why?  What's wrong with Debian Live?
> 
> http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
> 
> Lisi
> 
Oops, I forgot.  I'm getting old :( 

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Re: How to protect an encrypted file system for off-line attack?

[Chris Jones]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:53:54PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/23/2009 06:12 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 02:34:26PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote:

> >>Given enough time, and resources, *nothing* is untouchable. It's
> >>just a matter of whether They think that the time-effort is worth
> >>being spent on *you*.
> >
> >Like, twenty times the estimated life of the universe.. a thousand
> >times its mass in silicon chips. Everyone involved long dead anyways.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFF_DES_cracker

> When DES was approved as a federal standard in 1976, a machine
> fast enough to test that many keys in a reasonable time would have
> cost an unreasonable amount of money to build.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFF_DES_cracker#Technology

>Advanced Wireless Technologies built 1856 custom ASIC DES chips
>(called Deep Crack or AWT-4500), housed on 29 circuit boards of 64
>chips each. The boards are then fitted in six cabinets. The search
>is coordinated by a single PC which assigns ranges of keys to the
>chips. The entire machine was capable of testing over 90 billion
>keys per second. It would take about 9 days to test every possible
>key at that rate. On average, the correct key would be found in
>half that time.
> 
> In the 11 years since Deep Crack, IC process technology has improved
> by leaps and bounds, and the NSA can throw a whole lot of h/w in
> parallel at brute-force attacks.
> 
> Combine that with Side Channel Attacks (easy if you have the machine
> that did the encryption, and which can discover part of the key) and
> mathematical analysis to determine even more of the key, you suddenly
> see something feasible.

Obsolete sources my end..

Thanks for the heads-up.


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RE: aptitude

[GERARDO GONZALEZ]

MIERDA

> Subject: Re: aptitude
> From: consultor...@gmail.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:17:37 -0800
> 
> El mié, 25-02-2009 a las 08:53 -0800, Raquel escribió:
> > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:28:23 -0800
> > consultores1  wrote:
> > 
> > > El mar, 24-02-2009 a las 23:58 -0800, consultores1 escribió:
> > > > Situation: (Sid-Kde)
> > > > 
> > > > 1 week ago, aptitude could not connect to a server in Canada;
> > > > then I changed to US server, and aptitude misbehave working.
> > > > 
> > > > Now, I dont have Internet connection anymore; I have tried with
> > > > ifconfig/iwconfig/iwlist/dhcpcd/dhclient and I can not stay
> > > > connected.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Alternatively, i removed aptitude and network-manager, and for now
> > > everything is working correctly; configuring the net with
> > > ipconfig/iwconfig. but i use apt-get on a Lenny box, then this is
> > > not a solution, i think.
> > > 
> > > tcpdump/iptraf did not give any relevant information, and sending
> > > pings gave me an unreachable ap.
> > > 
> > 
> > I don't know if aptitude has any relation to your network problem.
> > I'm speaking only to your network problem.
> > 
> > I was having problems getting connected, using network-manager.  I
> > switched to WICD (http://www.wicd.net).  I've not had any problems
> > since.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Raquel
> > http://www.byraquel.com
> 
> Thanks, I have tested it, the relation between aptitude/network-manager
> is because aptitude identify what network-manager is going to fail, then
> suggest to install gnome-network-manager, and the the user is confused
> (this is a kde environment), and the problems appeared. Related to
> aptitude, something had happened with visual aptitude.
> 
> 
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Re: Upgrading flashplayer?

[Dave Patterson]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:56:12AM -0800, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> Hi. Im running...well, I guess Sid. Im using "testing" for my 
> /etc/apt/sources.list file.
> 
> A few days ago flashplugin-nonfree went away, or something, and i can no 
> longer get flash to work. I installed flashplayer-mozilla but it doesnt work.
> I looked at the Adobe site and they do have a Linux download for Flash 10, 
> but i thought there has to be a version already packaged.
> 
> Is there a way to install the flashplugin-nonfree package from unstable, or 
> something? Or any other way to get flash to work again until testing is
> back in order?
> 
I'm using the plugins from debian-multimedia.org

Google debian-multimedia, and enjoy.

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Re: Software RAID w/ mdadm -- Need Partitions?

[Kelly Harding]

2009/2/26 Kelly Harding :
> 2009/2/25 Owen Townend :
>> Hal Vaughan wrote:
>>> I've created RAIDs in the past where I just used the entire drive and
>>> ones where I created a single partition on the drives and used the
>>> partition.  It seems that there is no real difference in behavior.
>>>
>>> If I'm planning on using a drive for a RAID, is there any reason I
>>> should create a single partition spanning the entire drive and using
>>> that instead of just using the drive in its entirety for the RAID?
>>>

I've used RAID5 with the raid mounted from /dev/md0 with XFS
filesystem directly on it, without issues.

This works fine for large media volumes.

My intention is to move /home to a RAID1 with LVM on top so I can
change the size of the partitions on top of the RAID array and have it
split into more than just /home should I feel th eneed.

Also, with Linux Software RAID, you can convert the metadata of RAID1
to RAID5 to expand a 2 drive RAID1 mirrored array to a 2 drive RAID5
degraded array to add another drive to later. I've done this multiple
times and had no problems with it.

Kelly


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Re: aptitude

[consultores1]

El mié, 25-02-2009 a las 08:53 -0800, Raquel escribió:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:28:23 -0800
> consultores1  wrote:
> 
> > El mar, 24-02-2009 a las 23:58 -0800, consultores1 escribió:
> > > Situation: (Sid-Kde)
> > > 
> > > 1 week ago, aptitude could not connect to a server in Canada;
> > > then I changed to US server, and aptitude misbehave working.
> > > 
> > > Now, I dont have Internet connection anymore; I have tried with
> > > ifconfig/iwconfig/iwlist/dhcpcd/dhclient and I can not stay
> > > connected.
> > > 
> > 
> > Alternatively, i removed aptitude and network-manager, and for now
> > everything is working correctly; configuring the net with
> > ipconfig/iwconfig. but i use apt-get on a Lenny box, then this is
> > not a solution, i think.
> > 
> > tcpdump/iptraf did not give any relevant information, and sending
> > pings gave me an unreachable ap.
> > 
> 
> I don't know if aptitude has any relation to your network problem.
> I'm speaking only to your network problem.
> 
> I was having problems getting connected, using network-manager.  I
> switched to WICD (http://www.wicd.net).  I've not had any problems
> since.
> 
> -- 
> Raquel
> http://www.byraquel.com

Thanks, I have tested it, the relation between aptitude/network-manager
is because aptitude identify what network-manager is going to fail, then
suggest to install gnome-network-manager, and the the user is confused
(this is a kde environment), and the problems appeared. Related to
aptitude, something had happened with visual aptitude.



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Do you know about DebianON?

[Memnon Anon]

Hi!

There is a new release (hooray for lenny ;), and I am
sure there will be several user doing a fresh install on their
laptops. 

I would like to propose that you have a look at

  http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/

and consider contributing.

,[ Quote ]
| DebianOn is an effort to document how to install, configure and use Debian on
| some specific hardware. Therefore potential buyers would know if that hardware
| is supported and owner would know how get the best out of that hardware.
`

When I bought a new laptop, I wanted to be sure it would work with debian.
I found a similar ubuntu page that suggested everything would work out
fine with my first choice. Now, there is DebianON, and I think it would 
be great to have *lots* of notebooks listed there.

If everything works out of the box, a very short page would be enough, just
to let people know: Current stable will work for you!

If you have some trouble, you can use this page as a reminder how you set
things up, just in case your hd dies. And you can help others to remedy
their problems.

It won't take you long, but if you are to tech guy and want to give something
back, this might be one way.

Thanks for considering, I will not bother you any longer ;)





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problem with IPTABLEs

[Long Wind]

I want to specify a domain name in rules
but the domain name often changes IP
Is there anything I can do about it?


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Re: iptables not opening ports after reinstall of lenny

[Aneurin Price]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Rob Singelais  wrote:
> Aneurin Price wrote:
>>
>> Can other computers in your network connect to those ports on
>> 192.168.0.101?
>> If not, that rules out unexpected problems with the port forwarding in the
>> router, which seems like a good first step.
>>
>> Nye
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> With the port forwarded on the router and also in iptables, other computers
> on the network cant reach 192.168.1.101:8080 which is what my webserver is
> on.
>
> So are you saying this could be the router?
>

Not in this case. The other computers on your network don't need to go through
the router to get there, so that means the router can't be causing the problem.
No progress really, just making sure the problem really is with the right
machine - it's always frustrating to work on a problem for ages and then find
that it wasn't where you thought it was after all.

Can you get other machines on your network to access *any* services on that
machine?

Nye


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Re: Software RAID w/ mdadm -- Need Partitions?

[Owen Townend]

Hal Vaughan wrote:
> I've created RAIDs in the past where I just used the entire drive and
> ones where I created a single partition on the drives and used the
> partition.  It seems that there is no real difference in behavior.
>
> If I'm planning on using a drive for a RAID, is there any reason I
> should create a single partition spanning the entire drive and using
> that instead of just using the drive in its entirety for the RAID?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Hal

AFAIK there is no _need_ to use a partition, as you said, the
behaviour is going to be the same either way.

One possible benefit (though there are other ways around this,
`mdadm --query` for example), of having a single large partition
is that it allows you to set the partition type to
linux-raid-autodetect (FD) which if nothing else gives an obvious
indicator as to the disk's use, especially if you ever have to
recover from it in another system.

I use partitions in my set-up for this reason, it makes it
_slightly_ more fool-proof.

cheers,
Owen.


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Re: Software RAID w/ mdadm -- Need Partitions?

[Mike Bird]

On Wed February 25 2009 13:54:24 Hal Vaughan wrote:
> I've created RAIDs in the past where I just used the entire drive and
> ones where I created a single partition on the drives and used the
> partition.  It seems that there is no real difference in behavior.
>
> If I'm planning on using a drive for a RAID, is there any reason I
> should create a single partition spanning the entire drive and using
> that instead of just using the drive in its entirety for the RAID?

I tend to split drives into multiple partitions even if I'm planning
on using most or all the space for one purpose.  It gives flexibility
down the road if you ever need to reorganize.  Usually I make each
pair of partitions into a RAID-1 which becomes a LVM physical volume.

For example, I've had a sudden need for extra space and simply converted
one pair of partitions from RAID-1 to RAID-0 and put the least important
data there until extra drives could be added.

--Mike Bird


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Re: Wireless Setup Problem - Thanks

[Thomas H. George]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:57:14PM -0600, Stackpole, Chris wrote:
> 
> > From: Thomas H. George [mailto:li...@tomgeorge.info]
> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Wireless Setup Problem
> > 
> > I installed a Debian system including Gnome 2.22.3 on my OLPC (One
> > Laptop per Child) laptop from a usb drive and tried to make a wireless
> > connection to our LAN.
> > 
> > After numerous tries (details below) I succeeded yesterday afternoon.
> > 
> > Today nothing works.  When I put the cursor on the network icon the
> > message "manual network configuration" appears and when I click on the
> > icon the message "no network devices have been found" appears.  If I
> > open a terminal and enter iwconfig everything is just I left it
> > yesterday.
> > 
> > A part of the problem is that our LAN uses static ip addresses not
> dhcp.
> > Yesterday I tried iwconfig and ip commands without success. Finally,
> in
> > /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian I found I could edit
> > /etc/network/interfaces and add to the iface eth1 inet static stanza
> the
> > lines
> > 
> > wireless-essid foo
> > wireless-mode ad-hoc
> > 
> > Immediately after I did this putting the cursor on the network icon
> > showed three signals - one for our lan and two for the neighbors.  The
> > system connected to our lan and through the gateway to the internet.
> > 
> > As I said, today nothing works though iwconfig shows out essid and
> mode
> > ad-hoc and Link Quality=100/100 Signal Level=0 dBm Noise Lever= -96
> dBm.
> > 
> > What could have gone wrong?
> 
> I am guessing that you are using network-manager. I usually like
> network-manager, but the one consistent problem I have had with
> network-manager has been setting manual IP addresses. You may want to
> consider installing WICD instead. I, and many others, have had great
> luck with WICD.
> 
> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Have fun!
> ~Stack~
> 
Thanks, Stack, and thanks to the other who elaborated.  You were so
right!

There is a debian package for lenny on the web site. I installed wicd
Monday night but then had to sign off to prepare for an all day meeting
Tuesday.  This morning I brought up the system and - bingo - there was
the ethernet connection I had used for the download.  I unplugged the
usb ethernet and within a minute wicd had brought up the wireless
connection.  It just worked, no setup, no nothing.  I couldn't of asked
for more.

Tom
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Software RAID w/ mdadm -- Need Partitions?

[Hal Vaughan]

I've created RAIDs in the past where I just used the entire drive and  
ones where I created a single partition on the drives and used the  
partition.  It seems that there is no real difference in behavior.


If I'm planning on using a drive for a RAID, is there any reason I  
should create a single partition spanning the entire drive and using  
that instead of just using the drive in its entirety for the RAID?


Thanks!

Hal


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Re: application like iPhoto on Debian GNU/Linux Etch?

[Alex Samad]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:58:14PM +, kj wrote:
> Paul E Condon wrote:
>> My special problem is a family in which there are people with Mac( and  
>> iPhoto), and Windows, and me (with Debian). I want something that  
>> works reasonably well on all three. And for which moving picture files
>> among the three is trivial. For this, iPhoto is not an answer. Digikam
>> is a candidate, but it is not Mac compatible, SFAIK. But all these  
>> practical restrictions are subject to future developments, so none of
>> these opinions are likely to stand the test of time.
>>
>> Also one family member has only 56kB modem access to the internet, so
>> picture sharing on the internet is not an option (for me). 
>>
>>   
>
>
> I missed the earlier posts in this thread, so excuse my ignorance.  Are  
> you aiming to share one photo repository between thee machines?  In that  
> case Picasa would really be your only option.  Mixing DAM applications  
> on the same data is really only going to cause trouble.

might be a bit over the top, I use gallery2 its a apache,db solution,
web based works really well for me (~20K photo's)

>
> --kj
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Re: Can't mount RAID 5: "Can't find ext3 filesystem"

[Alex Samad]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 09:19:29AM +0100, Jose Legido wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alex Samad  wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 08:20:57AM +0100, Jose Legido wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Alex Samad  wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 07:29:12PM -0500, Jose Legido wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Alex Samad  wrote:
> >> >> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 06:53:54PM -0500, Jose Legido wrote:
> >> >> >> Hello!

[snip]

> > recreate creates a new md device - blank, although there are some
> > options to make a create look like a assemble.
> >
> > assemble is what the system does when it put the device together to make
> > the mdX device
> 
> If I recreate my raid I lost all my data? Can I recovery my data?


from mdadm

Create Create a new array with per-device superblocks

Assemble
  Assemble  the components of a previously created array
into an active array.

I am not sure exactly what the create does to the underlying space but
there is this option

--assume-clean
  Tell mdadm that the array pre-existed and is known to be
clean.  It can be useful when try‐
  ing to recover from a major failure as you can be sure
that no data will be affected unless
  you actually write to the array.  It can also be used when
creating a RAID1  or  RAID10  if
  you  want to avoid the initial resync, however this
practice — while normally safe — is not
  recommended.   Use this only if you really know what you
are doing.


to be sure have a look at the source. you might be lucky and nothing
will be written to the fs area, might be a matter of just rescanning it,
but then again you might not

that is why i stick to assembly and use create only as a last resort and
usually with --assume-clean option!
> 

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Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Global - No Sound

[Marko Randjelovic]

I hope someone can help me with this card because I really spent lots of time
and have no more ideas.

I manged to extract firmware from windows driver using tutorial from
/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26/Documentation/video4linux/extract_xc3028.pl

#   1) Download the windows driver with something like:
#   wget 
http://www.steventoth.net/linux/xc5000/HVR-12x0-14x0-17x0_1_25_25271_WHQL.zip
#   2) Extract the file hcw85bda.sys from the zip into the current dir:
#   unzip -j HVR-12x0-14x0-17x0_1_25_25271_WHQL.zip Driver85/hcw85bda.sys
#   3) run the script:
#   ./extract_xc3028.pl
#   4) copy the generated file:
#   cp xc3028-v27.fw /lib/firmware

Then specied card=61 as module parameter to cx88xx.

It seems bttv module is not needed, only cx88xx and cx8800 because bttv is for
RM and Deluxe and cx88 is for Expert and Global. It loads other modules, too,
like cx88_alsa, but I don't need it because it's not a problem for me to connect
from card to line in of motherboard. The problem is I hear only white noise. I
tried the card on another machine with Windows XP. I installed drivers and PVR2
and started it, but no picture nor sound. After reboot, there was picture but 
no sound.
Then I connected from TV card to Line In and there was a sound (in Lenny only
white noise). After closing app, it never worked again. Don't have an idea why.
So please tell me if You have any information or ideas.

I tried 'rmmod cx88_alsa', but it didn't help.

Relevant entries from /var/log/messages:

Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.205240] cx88/0: cx2388x v4l2 driver version 
0.0.6 loaded
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.211141] cx88[0]: subsystem: 107d:6618, 
board: Winfast TV2000 XP Global [card=61,insmod option]
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.215214] cx88[0]: TV tuner type 71, Radio 
tuner type 0
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.247217] cx2388x alsa driver version 0.0.6 
loaded
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.349494] tuner' 1-0061: chip found @ 0xc2 
(cx88[0])
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.446851] xc2028 1-0061: creating new instance
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.449603] xc2028 1-0061: type set to XCeive 
xc2028/xc3028 tuner
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.452419] cx88[0]: Asking xc2028/3028 to load 
firmware xc3028-v27.fw
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.457159] cx88[0]/0: found at :05:00.0, 
rev: 5, irq: 20, latency: 32, mmio: 0xf900
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.459902] cx88[0]/0: registered device video0 
[v4l2]
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.462572] cx88[0]/0: registered device vbi0
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.465162] cx88[0]/0: registered device radio0
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.467804] firmware: requesting xc3028-v27.fw
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.508697] xc2028 1-0061: Loading 80 firmware 
images from xc3028-v27.fw, type: xc2028 firmware, ver 2.7
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.513115] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.715437] xc2028 1-0061: Loading firmware for 
type=BASE MTS (5), id .
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   11.716945] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   13.241533] xc2028 1-0061: Loading firmware for 
type=MTS (4), id b700.
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   13.269506] xc2028 1-0061: Loading SCODE for 
type=MTS LCD NOGD MONO IF SCODE HAS_IF_4500 (6002b004), id b700.
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   13.334964] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:12 main kernel: [   13.470432] cx88[0]/1: CX88x/0: ALSA support 
for cx2388x boards
Feb 25 21:26:22 main kernel: [   30.823802] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:23 main kernel: [   31.025465] xc2028 1-0061: Loading firmware for 
type=BASE FM (401), id .
Feb 25 21:26:23 main kernel: [   31.027614] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:24 main kernel: [   32.561334] xc2028 1-0061: Loading firmware for 
type=FM (400), id .
Feb 25 21:26:24 main kernel: [   32.615159] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:32 main kernel: [   40.891637] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:33 main kernel: [   41.095407] xc2028 1-0061: Loading firmware for 
type=BASE F8MHZ MTS (7), id .
Feb 25 21:26:33 main kernel: [   41.095413] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:34 main kernel: [   42.617558] xc2028 1-0061: Loading firmware for 
type=MTS (4), id 00010007.
Feb 25 21:26:34 main kernel: [   42.669586] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:34 main kernel: [   42.920716] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:26:35 main kernel: [   43.471299] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:27:34 main kernel: [  106.332392] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback
Feb 25 21:27:34 main kernel: [  106.484524] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 
callback

m...@main:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/options
options cx88xx card=61 audio_deb

Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/25/2009 10:56 AM, Dean Chester wrote:

Hi
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And
i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going
to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options
to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop is
Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask this is that ubuntu
and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me and feel more
'connected'


Connected


 and not a bit of a missmash which is what debian feels like to
me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are updated more frequently.


Then you'd probably love Ubuntu.  (Which I despise because it's 
*too* gooey.  The way I have Debian configured, there's enough GUI 
and proprietary stuff to watch video on ESPN.com, yet have the 
system still function as a server if I boot it without immediately 
logging in.)


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Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]

OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D
processor?


On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system.

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Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Jimmy Johnson]

Dean Chester wrote:



On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jimmy Johnson > wrote:


Ken Teague wrote:


Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 > If you are smart you will give "SimplyMEPIS 8.0" a try before you

decide. ;)



OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D 
processor?

Dean


I have three 64bit systems here and all running Mepis 8.0 64bit, things
like flash and YouTube are preconfigured and will work straight out of
the box. Here's a link to the Mepis 8.0 User's Manual:
www.mepislovers.org/forums/user_manual8/ enjoy.
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Re: iptables not opening ports after reinstall of lenny

[Rob Singelais]

Aneurin Price wrote:


Can other computers in your network connect to those ports on 192.168.0.101?
If not, that rules out unexpected problems with the port forwarding in the
router, which seems like a good first step.

Nye


  



With the port forwarded on the router and also in iptables, other 
computers on the network cant reach 192.168.1.101:8080 which is what my 
webserver is on.


So are you saying this could be the router?


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Ident2

[Øystein Dale]

does any one know a url where i can check my own ident.
and can any one lead me to a manual for ident2, the one in debian help
isnt good enough.

Ø.Dale


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Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Dean Chester]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> Ken Teague wrote:
>
>  Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>>  > If you are smart you will give "SimplyMEPIS 8.0" a try before you
>>
>>> decide. ;)
>>>
>>
>  Does that make him dumb, stupid or ignorant if he doesn't?
>>
>
> It only means what it says.
>
> And please keep your reply to the list.
>
> Thank you,
>
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> OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D
processor?
Dean

Re: finding similar files

[Jochen Schulz]

Hendrik Boom:
>
> There wouldn't happen to be any handy tools for searching a directory 
> tree with a few hundred ASCII files and telling me which ones have 
> similar content?

I don't know about any tools ready for use, but if your files aren't too
large you could build something out of my (or any other) implementation
of metric space indexes:

http://well-adjusted.de/mspace.py

Depending on the number and the size of your files, this might be a
little slow, though. This implementation is faster, but has less
features:

http://code.activestate.com/recipes/572156/

You would have to index all your files and then iterate over all the
files again and search for similar files in the index. It is hard to
tell whether this approach would save time, but it is a good opportunity
to learn some Python, in case you don't already know it. :)

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Re: Please brainstorm: Word-processor compatible with version control

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/25/2009 07:16 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
[snip]


There's .fodt, too, which is similar, but everything's in one file,and is
*not* compressed.  Unfortunately, the entire document now appears to be
one line of text.


In the test I performed, it put one line of text per paragraph.


   It seems it would be easy for OpenOffice to insert
gratuitous newlines into the text in standard places, perhaps after every
sentence, or after every markup tag, without changing the semantics of the
XML.



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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
> I hardly find Debian a stable distro. 

Using debian testing for about 6 years now on all my servers, PCs and
laptops, and constantly torturing my systems with packet
installs/uninstalls/manual configurations and all kind of fiddling
inside /etc/, I really don't have the faintest idea how could somebody
say that.

Distribution upgrades without a glitch? Never? Ever? For years? I mean
common, that thing does not exist! Oh Debian, give me damn error
sometime! A dependency problem? A damn warning! But, alas, no...

G.


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Re: Upgrading flashplayer?

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum  wrote:

> From: Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum 
> Subject: Re: Upgrading flashplayer?
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 11:45 AM
> >On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum
>  wrote:
> > > A few days ago flashplugin-nonfree went away, or
> something, and i can no longer get flash to work. I
> installed flashplayer-mozilla but it doesnt work.
> > > I looked at the Adobe site and they do have a
> Linux download for Flash 10, but i thought there has to be a
> version already packaged.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to install the flashplugin-nonfree
> package from unstable, or something? Or any other way to get
> flash to work again until testing is
> > > back in order?
> >
> >Testing is squeeze now, sid always the name for
> unstable.
> >
> > It appears that flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound is
> still in testing,
> > but flashplugin-nonfree is not. I don't know why
> that would be,
> > but it is still present in sid. You can download it
> from here:
> > http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree
> >
> > At the bottom, select i386 if you are 32-bit, amd64 if
> you are
> > using 64-bit. Then select any mirror and download the
> deb.
> > As root, use dkpk -i
> (path/to/download/)flashplugin-nonfree_2.5_i386.deb
> > to install.
> 
> Hmm. Thanks, i had tried this before but it still didnt
> work andi thought i must have done something wrong, but now
> im more confused.
> 
> I did this and it shows up as installed. But its not
> working in Firefox. (Which is why i thought it wasnot
> working at all.) But it IS working in Epiphany and Opera. I
> dont think i have anything in Firefox preventing Flash from
> working, and it was working before this latest change...is
> there
> any reason why it would be failing in one browser but OK in
> the others?

Sorry, Im an idiot :-( 

Im running the Flashblock add-on, and though I knew about it, there was some 
way it was failing. When I disabled it I got my Flash again.

Will try to figure out the problem with it but it must be something Im doing 
wrong.

Thanks, and sorry.

Jen


  


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Re: Upgrading flashplayer?

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

>On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum  
>wrote:
> > A few days ago flashplugin-nonfree went away, or something, and i can no 
> > longer get flash to work. I installed flashplayer-mozilla but it doesnt 
> > work.
> > I looked at the Adobe site and they do have a Linux download for Flash 10, 
> > but i thought there has to be a version already packaged.
> >
> > Is there a way to install the flashplugin-nonfree package from unstable, or 
> > something? Or any other way to get flash to work again until testing is
> > back in order?
>
>Testing is squeeze now, sid always the name for unstable.
>
> It appears that flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound is still in testing,
> but flashplugin-nonfree is not. I don't know why that would be,
> but it is still present in sid. You can download it from here:
> http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree
>
> At the bottom, select i386 if you are 32-bit, amd64 if you are
> using 64-bit. Then select any mirror and download the deb.
> As root, use dkpk -i (path/to/download/)flashplugin-nonfree_2.5_i386.deb
> to install.

Hmm. Thanks, i had tried this before but it still didnt work andi thought i 
must have done something wrong, but now im more confused.

I did this and it shows up as installed. But its not working in Firefox. (Which 
is why i thought it wasnot working at all.) But it IS working in Epiphany and 
Opera. I dont think i have anything in Firefox preventing Flash from working, 
and it was working before this latest change...is there
any reason why it would be failing in one browser but OK in the others?

Thanks!

Jen


  


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Re: Upgrading flashplayer?

[Tim Beauregard]

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Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum  
> wrote:
>> Hi. Im running...well, I guess Sid. Im using "testing" for my 
>> /etc/apt/sources.list file.
>>
>> A few days ago flashplugin-nonfree went away, or something, and i can no 
>> longer get flash to work. I installed flashplayer-mozilla but it doesnt work.
>> I looked at the Adobe site and they do have a Linux download for Flash 10, 
>> but i thought there has to be a version already packaged.
>>
>> Is there a way to install the flashplugin-nonfree package from unstable, or 
>> something? Or any other way to get flash to work again until testing is
>> back in order?

I struggled with this last week (running sid), due to excessive CPU
usage with flashplugin-nonfree and flashplayer-mozilla, and plenty of
sites not liking the "old" version of flash installed.  Completely
against my policy, I installed Flash 10 from that site-everything is
perfect now apart from my disgruntlement about being forced to use a
non-Debian package.  For now...

HTH
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Re: Debian Lenny Based SimplyMEPIS 8.0 is Released

[Jimmy Johnson]

tyler wrote:

Jimmy Johnson writes:
 > 
 > > If Warren still hasn't released his tools under a Free license, I

 > > would question the statement that Warren has given plenty to the
 > > community.
 > 
 > He gave his life savings to the development of Mepis and is now

 > living hand to mouth, what else do you want, maybe he should bleed
 > for you. What have you done but judge others?
 > 


I didn't mean to imply that there was anything wrong with what Warren
has accomplished with Mepis. It's a fantastic distro, without
question, and without it I may not have been able to switch from
Windows to Linux. 


But for a long time, it was impossible for the developers of any other
distro to build on his work because of the license he was using. That
meant that he had created a new community of Mepis users (Mepis
lovers, more accurately!), and for those people he did indeed provide
a great service. But until he released his code under an Apache
license, which I now understand he did last year, he was not
contributing to the Debian or Ubuntu communities.



He tried, but maybe he don't work well with others or others don't work
well with him, things like that can be hard for an old dog. :)



 > Tyler, the tools are hardly more than a scripts that have been
 > wrapped in a GUI, I think you blow this thing way out of proportion
 > and you are not very constructive.

The issue I was addressing was why Debian has not incorporated these
tools. In that instance, it doesn't matter at all if they are simple
scripts or massive binaries. The only thing that matters is if they
are available under a free software license. When I last used Mepis,
they weren't.

I did some more searching, and I see that Warren has indeed released
his tools under an Apache license. That's fantastic news, and I hope
his work does make it's way into Debian.

Cheers,

Tyler

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Re: Upgrading flashplayer?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:04, thveillon.debian
 wrote:
> Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum a écrit :
>> Hi. Im running...well, I guess Sid. Im using "testing" for my 
>> /etc/apt/sources.list file.
>>
>> A few days ago flashplugin-nonfree went away, or something, and i can no 
>> longer get flash to work. I installed flashplayer-mozilla but it doesnt work.
>> I looked at the Adobe site and they do have a Linux download for Flash 10, 
>> but i thought there has to be a version already packaged.
>>
>> Is there a way to install the flashplugin-nonfree package from unstable, or 
>> something? Or any other way to get flash to work again until testing is
>> back in order?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am using Squeeze with flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia, more
> precisely from debian-multimedia experimental because it's the native
> amd64 version

That is good to know, I have been using the .so from adobe because
I wasn't sure if d-m version was the new native 64-bit


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Re: Upgrading flashplayer?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum  wrote:
> Hi. Im running...well, I guess Sid. Im using "testing" for my 
> /etc/apt/sources.list file.
>
> A few days ago flashplugin-nonfree went away, or something, and i can no 
> longer get flash to work. I installed flashplayer-mozilla but it doesnt work.
> I looked at the Adobe site and they do have a Linux download for Flash 10, 
> but i thought there has to be a version already packaged.
>
> Is there a way to install the flashplugin-nonfree package from unstable, or 
> something? Or any other way to get flash to work again until testing is
> back in order?


Testing is squeeze now, sid always the name for unstable.

It appears that flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound is still in testing,
but  flashplugin-nonfree is not. I don't know why that would be,
but it is still present in sid. You can download it from here:
 http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree

At the bottom, select i386 if you are 32-bit, amd64 if you are
using 64-bit. Then select any mirror and download the deb.
As root, use dkpk -i (path/to/download/)flashplugin-nonfree_2.5_i386.deb
to install.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: Debian Lenny Based SimplyMEPIS 8.0 is Released

[tyler]

tyler  writes:

> Has Warren since changed his position on licensing his own programs? 

Apologies for replying to my own post, but I did some more digging, and
apparently the Mepis tools have indeed been released under a Free
Software license:

http://mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17736&highlight=license+apache

So now the Mepis-specific tools are available to Debian users as well,
potentially. That's good news!

Cheers,

Tyler

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Re: Upgrading flashplayer?

[thveillon.debian]

Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum a écrit :
> Hi. Im running...well, I guess Sid. Im using "testing" for my 
> /etc/apt/sources.list file.
> 
> A few days ago flashplugin-nonfree went away, or something, and i can no 
> longer get flash to work. I installed flashplayer-mozilla but it doesnt work.
> I looked at the Adobe site and they do have a Linux download for Flash 10, 
> but i thought there has to be a version already packaged.
> 
> Is there a way to install the flashplugin-nonfree package from unstable, or 
> something? Or any other way to get flash to work again until testing is
> back in order?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 

Hi,

I am using Squeeze with flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia, more
precisely from debian-multimedia experimental because it's the native
amd64 version (I don't know if you are using on x86 or x86_64).

I don't have any problem with flashplayer-mozilla.

Tom


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finding similar files

[Hendrik Boom]

There wouldn't happen to be any handy tools for searching a directory 
tree with a few hundred ASCII files and telling me which ones have 
similar content?

Many have been copied, edited, merged, reformatted, split, and I'd like
to find the differences, decide on what to keep, and delete redundant
ones.

I know there's such a program for image files.

I know about wdiff, which would be fine after I've paired off the similar 
files (or fragments of files). to resolve differences that remain.

What I'm looking for is something that will give me a first cut on 
finding those pairs of files.

-- hendrik


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Re: Protecting files in linux

[Kelly Clowers]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 05:20, Jorge Delgado  wrote:
> Hi, i would like to protect files like passwords and websites of Firefox
> (iceweasel), and this cannot be done encripting the files.
>
> So, i need some program for protect the files and, at the same time be
> using them. If i encript the files, i cannot use them at the same time.
> And if I cannot use them at the same time, it's meaningless.
>
> Somebody could help me? Thank you very much, I appreciatte your help.

I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish, but in Firefox
preferences, go to the security tab and there is a check box
"use master password". If you turn this on, when you start a fresh
session in FF, the first time you go to a website that FF has a
saved PW for, it will ask for the master password to decrypt the
saved PW file. Once you enter the master PW once, all user
names and passwords will be filled in automatically, until you
close FF.

Apologies if you are after something completely different .



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Upgrading flashplayer?

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

Hi. Im running...well, I guess Sid. Im using "testing" for my 
/etc/apt/sources.list file.

A few days ago flashplugin-nonfree went away, or something, and i can no longer 
get flash to work. I installed flashplayer-mozilla but it doesnt work.
I looked at the Adobe site and they do have a Linux download for Flash 10, but 
i thought there has to be a version already packaged.

Is there a way to install the flashplugin-nonfree package from unstable, or 
something? Or any other way to get flash to work again until testing is
back in order?

Thanks!

Jen


  


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Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Jimmy Johnson]

Ken Teague wrote:


Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 > If you are smart you will give "SimplyMEPIS 8.0" a try before you

decide. ;)



Does that make him dumb, stupid or ignorant if he doesn't?


It only means what it says.

And please keep your reply to the list.

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Re: What is the relationship between debian maillist and google groups?

[Javier]

John Hasler escribió:
> Wang Long writes:
>> Oh I don't think so, look at this page:
>> http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46491&topic=9253
> 
>> Actually it's not very important; but I want to know where were my
>> messages that post via google groups gone... In fact all my messegs that
>> I post on http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user disappeared...
> 
> debian-user@lists.debian.org is an open, public, unmoderated mailing list
> operated by Debian.  Google has chosen to mirror it with one of its
> "groups" (and that's fine with Debian).  How they operate that group is
> something to take up with Google.


Hello, this may result of your interest:

I'm currently using news.aioe.org in order to get and post messages to
this mailing list. I'm not subscribed to this list, but to the newsgroup.

It is very nice, because it allows me to treat this list as if it were
just another newsgroup, with all of its advantages and none of the
disadvantages.

(news.aioe.org is a free news server)


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Re: Can't boot after installation (debian5 on macmini)

[Jimmy Johnson]

Ben Jakb wrote:

hi
I've just installed debian 5 for the second time on a macmini. It
still doesn't boot, but only shows a blinking folder with an
exclamation mark.

Its a simple debian-only installation, no dualboot. 2 partitions: for
root and swap. GRUB was installed.



Any ideas?



Sounds like a rotten apple to me.

Sorry Ben, I couldn't help myself, as a matter of fact I have been 
running Debian on my iMAC for years, been upgrading the original install 
and long ago forgotten how I installed it, I do remember I had some 
trouble with the x-configuration but that was all the rest just worked. :)


With Lenny you should be able to repair the boot as an option on the 
install cd, anyways good luck.

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Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Jimmy Johnson]

Dean Chester wrote:

Hi
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. 
And i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am 
soon going to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. 
The 3 options to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. 
The Laptop is Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask 
this is that ubuntu and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me 
and feel more 'connected' and not a bit of a missmash which is what 
debian feels like to me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are 
updated more frequently.

Thanks in Advance
Dean


If you are smart you will give "SimplyMEPIS 8.0" a try before you decide. ;)
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Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 25 February 2009 17:44:06 Dave Patterson wrote:
> use Knoppix for Debian.

Why?  What's wrong with Debian Live?

http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/

Lisi


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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Jimmy Johnson]

Andrew McGlashan wrote:

Hi,

Jimmy Johnson wrote:

If you like Fedora then you will love CentOS, in my humble opinion
Fedora is no more than testing for Red Hat, while CentOS is Red Hat
Enterprise.


Umm, I think it would be more correct to compare Fedora with Debian SID 
--  Fedora is testing ground and the baby of Red Hat, somewhat bleeding 
edge, as is SID.  Red Hat feeds off Fedora just like Debian stable feeds 
off SID thanks to all those that are happy to work with unstable for 
whatever reasons suit them.


If you want a comparison to Red Hat, not Fedora, then I think that 
Debian stable [Lenny at this time], is a reasonable comparison; however, 
CentOS with the Red Hat dollars and clout just _might_ be more superior 
in some ways -- but it all mostly comes back to choice.


If I wanted to run a Red Hat 'equivalent', then I would choose CentOS -- 
but Fedora is no equivalent to Red Hat or CentOS by any means today.


I've often found that packages are slow to make it to stable and you 
hear of this package or that package; you follow it up and find that it 
isn't available in stable... it might be in testing, but it is more 
likely to be in SID.  Anyway, that is a lot more to do with stable vs 
testing vs unstable -- it is hard to expect stable to have the latest 
software, or as many packages.  Heck, how many packages remain at beta 
stage forever or close to it?


Anyway, the whole premise that Fedora should be compared with Lenny is 
quite a stretch to start with.


Hi Andrew, while I think I understand what you are saying, personally I 
can't compare any RPM type distro to Debian, Debian is just so much 
better, well thought out and in a league of it's own. :)

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Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Dave Patterson]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:23:18AM +0800, Nelson Castillo wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Dean Chester
>  wrote:
> Fedora can hurt your brain.
> 
Try LFS.  Makes your brain seriously sore, but you learn a lot...

The key word is laptop.  I'd try booting the thing with a live disc from
each distro, and see which performs best - use Knoppix for Debian.

Decide from there.  Personally, I've found it much easier to deal with 
oddball machines (laptops) with Debian than with any othe distro
*because* of the mishmash - it's more readily reconfigured.

My two cents.

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Re: non-dpkg owned libc6 - etch to lenny upgrade problem

[John Fleming]

>> > Answer to my followup to your previous copy of that message
from >> > yesterday, rather than sending it again. >> >> I would if I could... I never saw my message posted,
nor did I see your >> response. Nor do I find either in the list
archives. > > They are in the archives. Tzafrir did reply to
you: Thanks, Bob!  I searched for libc6 and didn't find
it.Tzafrir, the answer to your question is in the subject line.  It is
a non-dpkg error.  John


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Re: Please brainstorm: Word-processor compatible with version control

[Jeff Chimene]

Flashbake: Free version-control for writers using git
Posted by Cory Doctorow, February 13, 2009 6:39 AM | permalink
For the past couple weeks, I've been working with Thomas "cmdln" Gideon 
(host of the fabulously nerdy Command Line podcast) on a free software 
project for writers called "Flashbake" (which is to say, I described 
what I wanted and Thomas wrote the code). This is a set of Python 
scripts that check your hot files for changes every 15 minutes, and 
checks in any changed files to a local git repository. Git is a free 
"source control" program used by programmers to track changes to 
source-code, but it works equally well on any text file. If you write in 
a text-editor like I do, then Flashbake can keep track of your changes 
for you as you go.


http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/13/flashbake-free-versi.html


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Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?

[Nelson Castillo]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Dean Chester
 wrote:
> Hi
> I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And
> i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going
> to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options
> to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop is
> Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask this is that ubuntu
> and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me and feel more
> 'connected' and not a bit of a missmash which is what debian feels like to
> me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are updated more frequently.
> Thanks in Advance

Don't think too much about it. If it's not Debian, grab Ubuntu :-)
At least you will be still in the same family somehow.
Fedora can hurt your brain.


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Re: non-dpkg owned libc6 - etch to lenny upgrade problem

[Bob Cox]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:10:00 -0500, John Fleming (j...@wa9als.com) wrote: 

> On Wed, February 25, 2009 10:25 am, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 09:56:09AM -0500, John Fleming wrote:
> >> Consider me a newbie - trying to upgrade etch to lenny, getting msg about
> >> having a non-dpkg owned copy of libc6-i686. "Can't live with it, can't live
> >> without it". Can't remove it. Can't upgrade with what I have. Previously
> >> I've done all installs and upgrades with apt-get. I started this system
> >> with sarge, and successfully upgraded to etch a couple of years ago and 
> >> have
> >> kept etch upgraded. I've tried apt-get -f dist-upgrade and aptitude
> >> dist-upgrade with same results.
> >>
> >> Specific next steps, please?
> >
> > Answer to my followup to your previous copy of that message from
> > yesterday, rather than sending it again.
> 
> I would if I could...  I never saw my message posted, nor did I see your
> response.  Nor do I find either in the list archives.  

They are in the archives.  Tzafrir did reply to you:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/02/msg02235.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/02/msg02272.html


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[OT I think] Which Distro?

[Dean Chester]

Hi
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And
i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going
to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options
to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop is
Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask this is that ubuntu
and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me and feel more
'connected' and not a bit of a missmash which is what debian feels like to
me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are updated more frequently.
Thanks in Advance
Dean

Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Andrew McGlashan]

Hi,

Jimmy Johnson wrote:

If you like Fedora then you will love CentOS, in my humble opinion
Fedora is no more than testing for Red Hat, while CentOS is Red Hat
Enterprise.


Umm, I think it would be more correct to compare Fedora with Debian SID --  
Fedora is testing ground and the baby of Red Hat, somewhat bleeding edge, as 
is SID.  Red Hat feeds off Fedora just like Debian stable feeds off SID 
thanks to all those that are happy to work with unstable for whatever 
reasons suit them.


If you want a comparison to Red Hat, not Fedora, then I think that Debian 
stable [Lenny at this time], is a reasonable comparison; however, CentOS 
with the Red Hat dollars and clout just _might_ be more superior in some 
ways -- but it all mostly comes back to choice.


If I wanted to run a Red Hat 'equivalent', then I would choose CentOS -- but 
Fedora is no equivalent to Red Hat or CentOS by any means today.


I've often found that packages are slow to make it to stable and you hear of 
this package or that package; you follow it up and find that it isn't 
available in stable... it might be in testing, but it is more likely to be 
in SID.  Anyway, that is a lot more to do with stable vs testing vs 
unstable -- it is hard to expect stable to have the latest software, or as 
many packages.  Heck, how many packages remain at beta stage forever or 
close to it?


Anyway, the whole premise that Fedora should be compared with Lenny is quite 
a stretch to start with.


Kind Regards
AndrewM

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Re: aptitude

[Raquel]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:28:23 -0800
consultores1  wrote:

> El mar, 24-02-2009 a las 23:58 -0800, consultores1 escribió:
> > Situation: (Sid-Kde)
> > 
> > 1 week ago, aptitude could not connect to a server in Canada;
> > then I changed to US server, and aptitude misbehave working.
> > 
> > Now, I dont have Internet connection anymore; I have tried with
> > ifconfig/iwconfig/iwlist/dhcpcd/dhclient and I can not stay
> > connected.
> > 
> 
> Alternatively, i removed aptitude and network-manager, and for now
> everything is working correctly; configuring the net with
> ipconfig/iwconfig. but i use apt-get on a Lenny box, then this is
> not a solution, i think.
> 
> tcpdump/iptraf did not give any relevant information, and sending
> pings gave me an unreachable ap.
> 

I don't know if aptitude has any relation to your network problem.
I'm speaking only to your network problem.

I was having problems getting connected, using network-manager.  I
switched to WICD (http://www.wicd.net).  I've not had any problems
since.

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Can't boot after installation (debian5 on macmini)

[Ben Jakb]

hi
I've just installed debian 5 for the second time on a macmini. It
still doesn't boot, but only shows a blinking folder with an
exclamation mark.

Its a simple debian-only installation, no dualboot. 2 partitions: for
root and swap. GRUB was installed.

Any ideas?

thanks in advance
ben


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Re: Why aptitude is sometimes slow inside xen domU ?

[Olivier B.]

In fact in my case the domU is really really slow :
   time dd if=/dev/zero of=TEST bs=4k count=12500
   12500+0 enregistrements lus
   12500+0 enregistrements écrits
   5120 bytes (51 MB) copied, 37,504 s, 1,4 MB/s

   real0m37.520s
   user0m0.004s
   sys0m0.352s

1.4MB/s... and the Dom0 do only 40MB/s on write.

So it's not an aptitude problem.
Thanks,

Olivier

Javier Barroso a écrit :
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Olivier B. > wrote:




Javier Barroso-3 wrote:
>
> My aptitude is very slow when it is running inside domU:
> aptitude take 3 minutes on:
> Writing extended state information... 67%

Hi,

I have same problem on a fresh Lenny Dom0/DomU setup.

Do you find where was the problem for you ?

No, I didn't

It is possible this issue is related with apt/sources.list and extra 
repos (I remember memory-cache problems whith this). I can't remember 
now in wich mv it happened, so I'm not sure about his sources.list 
content.


How could we replicate this issue without aptitude (writing many files 
in very short time ?)?


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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Jimmy Johnson]

Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:

Well, a fun time (one week), sweating it up to make my ATI and Wifi work
in Lenny AMD64 but nothing. With old fedora wifi works from the live cd
and ATI with the update. No need even to try it with my dell or my
Aspireone. So byebye Debian.

I found on lenny many of the bugs and troubles found in Fedora 8 and 9,
which all today are old history. Why losing time? Cant' understand.
Lenny is a nice white-haired rookie (altough older than fedora), apt is
nice, directory structures and config files are better than fedora, but
I hardly find Debian a stable distro. Pulling her to further limits
causes a quick breakage. I find hard fedora reporting a segfault, like
lenny gave yestarday on networks-admin gui. Why the battery indicator
suddenly dissapeared, being the panel thingy active? Why it takes so
long to boot -sometimes-?



If you like Fedora then you will love CentOS, in my humble opinion 
Fedora is no more than testing for Red Hat, while CentOS is Red Hat 
Enterprise.



Farewell, debian. Thanks everybody. 



You're welcome, but please keep in mind that this list is for people 
that are seeking help or information and people that love Debian.


bye bye,
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Re: non-dpkg owned libc6 - etch to lenny upgrade problem

[John Fleming]

On Wed, February 25, 2009 10:25 am, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Wed,
Feb 25, 2009 at 09:56:09AM -0500, John Fleming wrote: >> Consider
me a newbie - trying to upgrade etch to lenny, getting msg about >> having a non-dpkg owned copy of libc6-i686. "Can't live with
it, can't live >> without it". Can't remove it. Can't upgrade
with what I have. Previously >> I've done all installs and
upgrades with apt-get. I started this system >> with sarge, and
successfully upgraded to etch a couple of years ago and have >>
kept etch upgraded. I've tried apt-get -f dist-upgrade and aptitude >> dist-upgrade with same results. >> >>
Specific next steps, please? > > Answer to my followup to
your previous copy of that message from > yesterday, rather than
sending it again. I would if I could...  I never saw my message
posted, nor did I see your response.  Nor do I find either in the list
archives.  Now that you've beat on me, and if you're sure your comments got
posted, would you please send them to me again off-list?  Thanks


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Lenny-Sid upgrade causes(?) loss of connectivity

[Dave Patterson]

Hey all...

Just got a shiny new cheap laptop, did a Lenny netinstall AMD64.

The thing's an HP dv7 with Turion chipset.

Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express
 Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)

Lenny runs fine, had to bring in a newer kernel and ath9k compiled
from pristine sources to get wifi up - but that is not the issue.

Something in Sid prevents apt from talking to repositories after
upgrade to sid.  Can call up Google with browser from the desktop,
but most links out of Google don't work.

Fedora 10 Live does the same thing.  With the ethernet.

Why, I wonder?

Cheers,

Dave


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Re: application like iPhoto on Debian GNU/Linux Etch? (closed???)

[Paul E Condon]

On 2009-02-25_22:29:02, Dave Patterson wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:58:14PM +, kj wrote:
> 
> >
> > I missed the earlier posts in this thread, so excuse my ignorance.  Are  
> > you aiming to share one photo repository between thee machines?  In that  
> > case Picasa would really be your only option.  Mixing DAM applications  
> > on the same data is really only going to cause trouble.
> >
> 
> I second that.  I prefer F-Spot on my Linux machines, though.
> 
> Dave

I'm not the OP on this thread. I butted in because his (her?) post
went totally unanswered for several days. Now there are several 
good suggestions in the archive. Myself, I'm happy with what I 
have. It's one of the above. Thanks to all. I hope OP has found this
as interesting as I have.

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Re: Update Manager

[Barclay, Daniel]

John Lindsay wrote:
> Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>>> John
>>> 
>>
>>
>> Hi John,
>> Dont use reply to and change the subject of the thread, this does not 
>> start a new thread, but goes into the one you are therefore 
>> "highjacking". To start a new thread, you have to create a new message.
>> Thierry
>>
>>
>>   
> My apologies to the group. I did not realize that a 'reply' and a change 
> of subject  would be considered highjacking. I've been doing this for 
> some time now as a quick way to send out a request for help which may 
> explain why some of my requests have been generally ignored. This is 
> actually the first time someone has advised me of my error. I certainly 
> will not repeat my error.

Is case it wasn't clear, although you changed the subject text, the reply
message you created still pointed (using header fields you don't normally
see) to the message you replied to.  That link between messages caused
you message about a new subject to be listed as being related to the
message about the old subject (at least in mail software or webmail pages that
show "threading" using those headers).

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Re: how does GRUB read from /boot on software-RAID partition?

[Barclay, Daniel]

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
...
> I had a box with ...
> 
> I tested booting by unplugging (power and data) each drive in turn,
> booting with grub was never a problem.

Thanks.

Daniel

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Re: how does GRUB read from /boot on software-RAID partition?

[Barclay, Daniel]

Jack Schneider wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:14:54 -0500
> "Barclay, Daniel"  wrote:
> 
>> Jack Schneider wrote:

>>> ...  I have run without incident for over a year.
>> But if you haven't had any disk-failure incidents, do you know whether
>> your setup will reliably work if either disk fails?  (Did you mean
>> that you simulated disk failure?)

> Sorry, no failures to date.  ... I pulled a sata cable from one.

That's what I meant by "simulated disk failure."


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Re: VPN connection using openvpn and openssl certs

[Florian Ernst]

Hello all,

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 01:00:56PM +1100, linuksos wrote:
> I have just simple question in regards to the OpenVPN connections.
> When using a Certificates and "server" directive in openvpn
> configuration file :
> server 192.168.0.0 255.255.0.0 the vpn tunnel is created is follows:
> SERVER:
> inet addr:192.168.0.1  P-t-P:192.168.0.2  Mask:255.255.255.255
> CLIENT:
> inet addr:192.168.0.6  P-t-P:192.168.0.5  Mask:255.255.255.255
> 
> What is a logic behind a IP address given to the client from the
> server. Why first client connected to SERVER does not get 192.168.0.2
> IP address but it gets 192.168.0.6 instead? I'm sure that there is a
> good explanation for that and I'm just missing something.

See "Why does OpenVPN's "ifconfig-pool" option use a /30 subnet (4
private IP addresses per client) when used in TUN mode?" on
:

| OpenVPN allocates one /30 subnet per client in order to provide
| compatibility with Windows clients due to the limitation of the
| TAP-Win32 driver's TUN emulation mode.
| 
| If you know that only non-Windows clients will be connecting to your
| OpenVPN server, you can avoid this behavior by using the
| ifconfig-pool-linear directive.
| 
| [...]

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Re: iptables not opening ports after reinstall of lenny

[Aneurin Price]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Rob Singelais  wrote:
> I have reinstalled lenny and used the same iptables used from the previous
> install from backups. After days of trying to get my webserver port 8080 to
> respond from outside the network and getting connection refused or timed
> out, I think I've narrowed it down to the ports. Opening port 5900 for VNC
> doesn't respond either after adding the rule to input in iptables. I have
> forwarded the ports in the router and other machines on the network and
> those ports open for other computers respond just fine. I have tried
> disabling iptables and just depending on the router and that doesn't seem to
> help with the ports. I still get connection refused on canyouseeme.org. I
> will post my /etc/network/interfaces and my iptables rules.
>

Can other computers in your network connect to those ports on 192.168.0.101?
If not, that rules out unexpected problems with the port forwarding in the
router, which seems like a good first step.

Nye


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Re: application like iPhoto on Debian GNU/Linux Etch?

[Dave Patterson]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:58:14PM +, kj wrote:

>
> I missed the earlier posts in this thread, so excuse my ignorance.  Are  
> you aiming to share one photo repository between thee machines?  In that  
> case Picasa would really be your only option.  Mixing DAM applications  
> on the same data is really only going to cause trouble.
>

I second that.  I prefer F-Spot on my Linux machines, though.

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Re: Please brainstorm: Word-processor compatible with version control

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:25:57 + (UTC)
Hendrik Boom  wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:41:10 +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
> > Hendrik Boom:
> >>
> >> I'd like a word processor compatible with version control systems 
> >> (hereafter abbreviated VCS)  Having been duly impressed for decades now 
> >> how useful VCSs are for programming, I'd like to use them for writing as 
> >> well.
> > 
> > I wonder why you didn't even mention LaTeX in your post. Don't you know
> > it or don't you consider it because you need MS Word documents?
> 
> I have no love for Word, and suspect the world might be better off without
> it.  But my market doesn't share my opinion.  Being able to export to
> .odt, and then using OpenOffice to export to Word might work.  But I don't
> think LaTex really does that either.  Am I wrong?
> 

it is possible, I believe with tex4ht (if I'm not mistake that's what lyx uses),
possibly a few others. Not all things translate well though so expect to have
to edit the final result (from experience math is the bigest problem in all
types of conversions, after that tables).

I think that you can also convert to html and from there to word.

> > 
> >> I use monotone as my VCS. but I don't suppose my trials are unique to
> >> monotone.
> > 
> > I kept my whole university-related material in SVN and I wrote my
> > diploma thesis in LaTeX. I loved it.
> > 
> >> (3) Word processors that leave text in a human-readable form (properly
> >> word-wrapped, for example) cause insertion of a single character (such
> >> as a spelling change) to affect the layout of entire paragraphs.
> > 
> > You cannot avoid that except by using linebreaks as paragraphs and have
> > your editor do optical linewrapping.
> 
> Another approach would be to use linebreaks as spaces and to have
> something explicit as paragraph breaks.  It the editor did optical line
> unwrapping, this might actually work.
> 

If you work with latex in an editor, most do line wrapping without inserting
line breaks, although you would probably need to work with the editor at a sane
width so lines won't wrap across the whole screen.

I just looked at the lyx source file and it does line wrapping so it may no do
what you want, but as it depends on the number of charachters and not character
width (should be the same using fixed width fonts in any editor), just changing
a letter should change line breaking, adding one is another issue.

> > 
> >> I'm currently using an ad-hoc notation in UTF-8, edited in emacs,
> >> formatted by homebrew code.
> > 
> > Why don't you use existing markup languages like Restrucured Text? I
> > started to use it to write blog postings (pyblosxom) and after only a
> > short time I got used to it.
> 
> The existing markup languages seem to have too much in them.  And there's
> little agreement between them.  Having yet another one -- but under my
> control -- makes it possible to keeep it simple and hand-write
> translaters to other formats as needed.  If there was something standard
> and well-supported, it would be damned attractive.
> 
> > 
> >> Isn't there something that already does most of what I really need?
> > 
> > To me, it sounds like your main problem is to find a smart-enough merge
> > program. Hm, I thought there should be plenty, but apt-cache searching
> > "merge editor" didn't reveal any useful packages.
> 
> Maybe that's the real problem, yes.  Now there is a way of merging that
> could work -- take the texts to be merged, break them up one word to a
> lne, do the merge on that, and then put lines back together.  If I could
> pack that into a version-control system, and make sure it does this only
> to the proper kinds of files, that would work.
> 

As an editor, I use meld, but it has the same problem as any other working line
by line, so changing line breaks messes up the diff. it can however mark what
letters on the line changed, for some things it's enough.

You may also want to look at wdiff. It compares files word by word instead of
line by line.

> -- hendrik
> 
> 


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Re: non-dpkg owned libc6 - etch to lenny upgrade problem

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 09:56:09AM -0500, John Fleming wrote:
> Consider me a newbie - trying to upgrade etch to lenny, getting msg about
> having a non-dpkg owned copy of libc6-i686.  "Can't live with it, can't live
> without it".  Can't remove it. Can't upgrade with what I have.  Previously
> I've done all installs and upgrades with apt-get.  I started this system
> with sarge, and successfully upgraded to etch a couple of years ago and have
> kept etch upgraded.  I've tried apt-get -f dist-upgrade and aptitude
> dist-upgrade with same results.
>
> Specific next steps, please?

Answer to my followup to your previous copy of that message from
yesterday, rather than sending it again.

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Re: Skype

[H.S.]

Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> 
> Skype is proprietory, it is also a risk for your Internet connection if
> it is run with high enough privilege
> 
> See here:
> http://www.affinityvision.com.au/voip-notes-detailed.html#skype
> 
> NB: I don't know how applicable the article is today or whether it is
> actually an issue in the Linux world, but it is proprietory, so how
> would you know one way or the other?  Quite simply, in a nutshell, Skype
> is a risk, full stop.


So many people have raised concerns about Skype so I did a little
search. Found this interesting tidbit:
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/beware_of_skype





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Re: NetworkManager Zeroconf

[Aneurin Price]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Oleg Mürk  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have the following problem on Debian 5:
> * I have a router that reboots longer than 45 seconds
> * When router is rebooted, the link goes down and then up again
> * When the link goes up, Debian tries to do DHCPDISCOVER
> * However, as the DHCP server (integrated into the router) is still starting
> up, no reply comes in 45 seconds
> * At this point NetworkManager decides to stop doing DHCP and switches to
> Zeroconf (see the log below).
>
> Question: how to make NetworkManager to try doing DHCP indefinitely?
>

I can't directly answer your question, however:
You say the link goes down when the router is rebooted. This implies that
the computer is connected directly to the router, not via a switch,
otherwise the link would still be present. Is that correct? In that case,
since you have only one computer connected, would it not be easier just to
set the network configuration statically and be done with it?

Nye


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Re: Protecting files in linux

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Jorge Delgado wrote:
> Hi, i would like to protect files like passwords and websites of Firefox
> (iceweasel), and this cannot be done encripting the files. 

Why not?

> So, i need some program for protect the files and, at the same time be
> using them. If i encript the files, i cannot use them at the same time.

Certainly not. Any encrypted file with no means of decrypting it again
is just useless. The idea of encryption is to prevent *unauthorized*
access, not to prevent all access (then you might just delete the file).

> And if I cannot use them at the same time, it's meaningless.

Why?

> Somebody could help me? Thank you very much, I appreciatte your help.

What is it actually that you would like to achieve?

Cheers,
Johannes

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Re: Debian Lenny Based SimplyMEPIS 8.0 is Released

[tyler]

Jimmy Johnson  writes:

> H.S. wrote:
>> Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>>> Neil Ellwood wrote:
>>>
 Personally I haven't found anything easier than Debian and it is more
>>> reliable than anything else I have tried. Why use a derivative when
>>> the original is marvellous?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Neil, I'm along time Debian user (7 years) and if there was
>>> something wrong with Mepis I would not suggest you trying it, saying
>>> that, Mepis has one click tools that Debian don't have, like it will
>>> repair grub for you with a click or reinstall a working
>>> x-configuration for you with a
>
>> Wonderful! Repairing grub and X with a click seems to be very useful
>> to desktop users. Can't Mepis give back to Debian by providing these
>> packages to Debian repos? Other such GUI conveniences too.
>
>
> Mepis (Warren Woodford) has given plenty to the community 

Mepis was the first non-Windows distro that I used, and it is indeed a
fine product. However, I eventually moved on to Debian, in part because
Mepis was a (wonderful) one-man show, and not a community project, and
the unique software elements that distinguished it from other distros
(the one-click config tools you refer too) were subject to proprietary
licensing. 

Has Warren since changed his position on licensing his own programs? If
he has, all Debian needs is someone to package them up, and I'm not sure
why the failure of one individual Debian maintainer to do so is a
show-stopper here. If the tools are good (which I suspect they are) and
are available as Free Software, there is no barrier to any debian
maintainer picking them up.

But I think you need to dig into your documentation and see if you can
find the licenses that apply to the tools you're talking about. I
couldn't find anything on the Mepis website. Last I looked, they were
not Free Software.

If Warren still hasn't released his tools under a Free license, I would
question the statement that Warren has given plenty to the community.
But the idea of community seems to mean two very different things in
this context. In the Debian system, the community includes hundreds of
developers who collaborate to produce the distro, and thousands of users
who collaborate to provide support in various fora. In Mepis, the
community appears to be only the latter: the very supportive user
community. Development is still pretty much restricted to Warren and a
small team of helpers.

As I said, it's been years since I used Mepis, so I'm admittedly out of
touch. But at the time I left, there were barriers on the Mepis side
that would prevent the adoption of any of the great tools developed
there for inclusion in Debian. I would be happy to be corrected on these
points, though.

Cheers,

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non-dpkg owned libc6 - etch to lenny upgrade problem

[John Fleming]

Consider me a newbie - trying to upgrade etch to lenny, getting msg about
having a non-dpkg owned copy of libc6-i686.  "Can't live with it, can't live
without it".  Can't remove it. Can't upgrade with what I have.  Previously
I've done all installs and upgrades with apt-get.  I started this system
with sarge, and successfully upgraded to etch a couple of years ago and have
kept etch upgraded.  I've tried apt-get -f dist-upgrade and aptitude
dist-upgrade with same results.

Specific next steps, please?

Thanks!  - John 

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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Chris Davies]

Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo  wrote:
> Well, a fun time (one week), sweating it up to make my ATI and Wifi work
> in Lenny AMD64 but nothing. With old fedora wifi works from the live cd
> and ATI with the update. No need even to try it with my dell or my
> Aspireone. So byebye Debian.

Be glad you have the choice! Enjoy Fedora.
Chris


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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Tzafrir Cohen]

Hi,

While bug reports are best sent using reportbug(1), reporting problems
to the list can sometimes help as well.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 09:22:08AM -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
> Well, a fun time (one week), sweating it up to make my ATI and Wifi work
> in Lenny AMD64 but nothing. With old fedora wifi works from the live cd
> and ATI with the update. 

What's the output of lspci on that box?

> I find hard fedora reporting a segfault, like
> lenny gave yestarday on networks-admin gui. 

What specific tool is it? What were you trying to do? Is this issue
reproducable?

> Why the battery indicator suddenly dissapeared, being the panel thingy 
> active? 

Sorry, but I have failed to parse that.

> Why it takes so long to boot -sometimes-?

bootchart(1) can answer the question "what the @#...@# does the system do
at boot time".

Apart from this generic answer: please provide more information. When is
"sometimes"?

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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
> Well, a fun time (one week), sweating it up to make my ATI and Wifi work
> in Lenny AMD64 but nothing. With old fedora wifi works from the live cd
> and ATI with the update. No need even to try it with my dell or my
> Aspireone. So byebye Debian.

FWIW, my ati works out of the box with debian. The 'enhanced' binary
drivers of ATI are a bit of a pain, but that's ATI's problem not debian's.

> I found on lenny many of the bugs and troubles found in Fedora 8 and 9,
> which all today are old history. Why losing time? Cant' understand.
> Lenny is a nice white-haired rookie (altough older than fedora), apt is
> nice, directory structures and config files are better than fedora, but
> I hardly find Debian a stable distro. 

What do you think would be a stable distro? I don't think that fedora is
more stable than debian stable.

> Pulling her to further limits
> causes a quick breakage. I find hard fedora reporting a segfault, like
> lenny gave yestarday on networks-admin gui. Why the battery indicator
> suddenly dissapeared, being the panel thingy active? Why it takes so
> long to boot -sometimes-?

I guess you just had some bad luck with messing with different
configurations. For me debian works near to perfect with out much
configuration out of the box.

>From what you wrote I guess you just tried to mess too much and too
impatiently with a distro unfamiliar to you. You end up prefering the
one you are used to. No big deal.

> Farewell, debian. Thanks everybody. 

Good luck with your choice. We are all in for the freedom of choice and
that includes the choice to try software and choose to use a different one.

It would have been nicer, though, if you had just found a constructive
way of solving your problems instead of just an unconstructive rant.

Cheers,
Johannes


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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Thierry Chatelet]

The best to do with is mail was to put it to the trash-can.


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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Aioanei Rares]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo <
rodolfo.alca...@padep.org.bo> wrote:

> Well, a fun time (one week), sweating it up to make my ATI and Wifi work
> in Lenny AMD64 but nothing. With old fedora wifi works from the live cd
> and ATI with the update. No need even to try it with my dell or my
> Aspireone. So byebye Debian.
>
> I found on lenny many of the bugs and troubles found in Fedora 8 and 9,
> which all today are old history. Why losing time? Cant' understand.
> Lenny is a nice white-haired rookie (altough older than fedora), apt is
> nice, directory structures and config files are better than fedora, but
> I hardly find Debian a stable distro. Pulling her to further limits
> causes a quick breakage. I find hard fedora reporting a segfault, like
> lenny gave yestarday on networks-admin gui. Why the battery indicator
> suddenly dissapeared, being the panel thingy active? Why it takes so
> long to boot -sometimes-?
>
> Farewell, debian. Thanks everybody.
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Well, what I really don't understand is the point/purpose of your mail. I
mean, ok, it doesn't suit you, fine, install something that does. Free
software is all about choice; you don't have to announce everyone when you
choose something. When I switched over from Fedora to Debian, I didn't rush
over to my mail client to announce this on any mailing list. Enjoy your
Fedora. Period.

Re: aptitude

[consultores1]

El mar, 24-02-2009 a las 23:58 -0800, consultores1 escribió:
> Situation: (Sid-Kde)
> 
> 1 week ago, aptitude could not connect to a server in Canada; then I
> changed to US server, and aptitude misbehave working.
> 
> Now, I dont have Internet connection anymore; I have tried with
> ifconfig/iwconfig/iwlist/dhcpcd/dhclient and I can not stay connected.
> 
> Strangely, I can do scans, but i can not be connected.
> 
> How can I resolve this situation?
> How can I have again sid-kde as if it were recently installed? the
> default installation.
> 
> PS:
> apt-listbugs is not working, and Open Office has been remove from my OS
> as many other packages.
> 

Alternatively, i removed aptitude and network-manager, and for now
everything is working correctly; configuring the net with
ipconfig/iwconfig. but i use apt-get on a Lenny box, then this is not a
solution, i think.

tcpdump/iptraf did not give any relevant information, and sending pings
gave me an unreachable ap.


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IP forwarding on router box no longer working after lenny upgrade; can ping but not get http request from outside hosts

[Adam Kessel]

I have a simple home router setup. The router runs Debian Lenny; the 
client runs Ubuntu. The router has two NICs; one connects to the ISP, 
the other to an internal switch.


The router box has no network issues with the Internet. I can ping, surf 
websites, etc..


The client box has no problems talking to the router. I can ssh to the 
router, mount NFS shares, etc..


Before the Lenny upgrade, the router box was forwarding Internet traffic 
from the client to the Internet without trouble.


After the Lenny upgrade, I can no longer make any connection from the 
client to the Internet that transmits more than few bytes. I can ping 
from the client, do DNS lookups, and even get a short error message from 
an external website by telnetting from the client to port 80 on the 
external website and sending an invalid requst. If I send a *valid* 
request, however (e.g. GET /index.html HTTP/1.0), I get no response. The 
connection just times out.


/proc/net/ip_conntrack shows all the relevant connections in CLOSE_WAIT 
or TIME_WAIT status.


sysctl is properly configured:

net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding = 1

I have ip_masquerading enabled.

I don't think this is a problem with the forwarding setup, since I am 
able to ping and make an initial HTTP connection. It's only when more 
than a few bytes are supposed to come back that it times out.


Finally, just as an experiment, I tried reducing the MTU packet size on 
the client, but it made no difference.


Nothing relevant appears in syslog or kernel logs. I tried logging 
packets in invalid state; no luck.


Any suggestions on how to fix or further troubleshoot this?


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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 09:22:08AM -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
> Well, a fun time (one week), sweating it up to make my ATI and Wifi work
> in Lenny AMD64 but nothing. With old fedora wifi works from the live cd
> and ATI with the update. No need even to try it with my dell or my
> Aspireone. So byebye Debian.

I have been using Debian Lenny/sid on my Dell Inspiron 1525 for
several months now, and it's rock solid.

> I found on lenny many of the bugs and troubles found in Fedora 8 and 9,
> which all today are old history. Why losing time? Cant' understand.
> Lenny is a nice white-haired rookie (altough older than fedora), apt is
> nice, directory structures and config files are better than fedora, but
> I hardly find Debian a stable distro. Pulling her to further limits
> causes a quick breakage. I find hard fedora reporting a segfault, like
> lenny gave yestarday on networks-admin gui. Why the battery indicator
> suddenly dissapeared, being the panel thingy active? Why it takes so
> long to boot -sometimes-?

Several issues you mention seem very vague at best. The delayed boot
may be because of a misconfigured network settings, but for all the
other stuff, any potent mixture of hardware/software
(mis)configuration issues can cause problems. Being a good citizen of
the free software ecosystem requires of people to ask queries on
mailing lists and bring to the notice of the bug tracking system the
issues they face, with sufficient detail. So, I would request you to
detail on your troubles, rather than provide a vague rant which does
no good, but does pump up the blood pressure of some.

Thanks.

Kumar
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Re: Resolving dependencies?

[Javier]

Umarzuki Mochlis escribió:
> [snipped]
>>
>>
>> Mix too many things?
>>
>> Lenny has amarok 1.4 with kde 3.5; I'm not surprised that this doesn't
>> mix well with amarok 2.0, which probably comes with kde 4.2. Make up
>> your mind if you'd like to stick with lenny or go with sid, testing,
>> experimental
>>
>> HTH,
>> Johannes
> 
> Guess I had to remove all packages I installed with experimental and sid to
> stay with lenny.

Sid is like "Pringles", once opened, you can't stop. ;)

You now have a mixed system, which is probably the worst situation you
can have if what you pretend is stability...

Trying to go back to stable is not going to be easy. It is usually
better to reinstall.


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Re: What is the relationship between debian maillist and google groups?

[John Hasler]

Wang Long writes:
> Oh I don't think so, look at this page:
> http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46491&topic=9253

> Actually it's not very important; but I want to know where were my
> messages that post via google groups gone... In fact all my messegs that
> I post on http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user disappeared...

debian-user@lists.debian.org is an open, public, unmoderated mailing list
operated by Debian.  Google has chosen to mirror it with one of its
"groups" (and that's fine with Debian).  How they operate that group is
something to take up with Google.
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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Cybe R. Wizard]

Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo   said:
> So byebye Debian.

Around here we have a saying, "don't let the door hit you in the a$$
on the way out."

Means, "don't brag about it, just hurry up and go, for doG's sake!"

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RE: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Stackpole, Chris]

> From: Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo [mailto:rodolfo.alca...@padep.org.bo]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:22 AM
> Subject: Fedora guy byebyes Debian
> 
> Well, a fun time (one week), sweating it up to make my ATI and Wifi
work
> in Lenny AMD64 but nothing. With old fedora wifi works from the live
cd
> and ATI with the update. No need even to try it with my dell or my
> Aspireone. So byebye Debian.
> 
> I found on lenny many of the bugs and troubles found in Fedora 8 and
9,
> which all today are old history. Why losing time? Cant' understand.
> Lenny is a nice white-haired rookie (altough older than fedora), apt
is
> nice, directory structures and config files are better than fedora,
but
> I hardly find Debian a stable distro. Pulling her to further limits
> causes a quick breakage. I find hard fedora reporting a segfault, like
> lenny gave yestarday on networks-admin gui. Why the battery indicator
> suddenly dissapeared, being the panel thingy active? Why it takes so
> long to boot -sometimes-?
> 
> Farewell, debian. Thanks everybody.
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Heh. This is yet another reason why I love Linux. If something doesn't
work for you, switch to another project that does! :-)

What is really funny is that I am almost a complete 180 from you. The
last time I tried Fedora was when 9 was released. I spent a weekend
trying to get things to work. When I tried to update pidgin I ran into
dependency hell and in my feeble attempts to get it working again, I
broke X. Then I just installed Debian.  :-)

I am sorry to hear you had problems with Debian, but I am glad you found
a distro that works for you!

Have fun!
~Stack~


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Re: Fedora guy byebyes Debian

[Javier]

Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo escribió:
> Well, a fun time (one week), sweating it up to make my ATI and Wifi work
> in Lenny AMD64 but nothing. With old fedora wifi works from the live cd
> and ATI with the update. No need even to try it with my dell or my
> Aspireone. So byebye Debian.
> 
> I found on lenny many of the bugs and troubles found in Fedora 8 and 9,
> which all today are old history. Why losing time? Cant' understand.
> Lenny is a nice white-haired rookie (altough older than fedora), apt is
> nice, directory structures and config files are better than fedora, but
> I hardly find Debian a stable distro. Pulling her to further limits
> causes a quick breakage. I find hard fedora reporting a segfault, like
> lenny gave yestarday on networks-admin gui. Why the battery indicator
> suddenly dissapeared, being the panel thingy active? Why it takes so
> long to boot -sometimes-?

ATI drivers are in the non-free repositories of Debian. In Fedora you
have to configure non-free repositories too.
If a program hung up, it is a question of the program itself, not a
Debian fault.
I think you just did have the prejuice from the very beginning of
abandoning Debian at some point, and write it down here, in this list.
In other way, I can't understand the sense of your message.

Perhaps trying to create a flamewar?

That's my impression.


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