Re: Network concerns and configuration draft 4

[John Haggerty]

I would ask would a static ip really be able to allow the machines to reach
the outer network?

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Cousin Stanley
wrote:

>
> > Ok so here is the issue I have a desire to run my own linux server
> > as an rt box and to do wiki web serving plus email.
> >
> > I run off of a qwest dsl setup that is feeding 4 computers that are
> > all getting internet 
> > 
> > 6. I am looking for the best option for the money I like cheap
> > and I like something that gives all comps access but allows me
> > my file serving
> > 
>
> John 
>
>  I'm also a qwest dsl user and did a fair amount of net searching
>  several months back looking for a similar solution 
>
>  The best I remember now from those searches at the time
>  is that the path of least resistance and headache might be
>  to pay qwest a few extra $$$ per month for a static ip 
>
>  Personlly, I gave up on it and as yet haven't bought
>  any static ips from qwest 
>
>
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Re: Reportbug not reporting bugs

[Javier Barroso]

Hello,
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Omar Campagne wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I'm running Debian testing/sid (very little sid, OO and the likes, no core
> packages) and my problem is that whenever I fill a report, reportbug will
> take me through the steps with no problems (well, the gui crashed a couple
> of times :), and at the end, it informs me that  the report was delivered,
> yet this does not happen.
I think you have to have a working mail system, are you capable using
"mail" from command line to send mails?

If you want to use gmail account then read /usr/share/doc/reportbug/README.Users

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Reportbug not reporting bugs

[Omar Campagne]

Hello:

I'm running Debian testing/sid (very little sid, OO and the likes, no 
core packages) and my problem is that whenever I fill a report, 
reportbug will take me through the steps with no problems (well, the gui 
crashed a couple of times :), and at the end, it informs me that  the 
report was delivered, yet this does not happen.


I also tried reportbug ---ui text, searching for more output, with no 
success, displaying the same behaviour. It says it's all fine, yet 
doesn't deliver the report. When closing reportbug after the process on 
the terminal, it doesn't show any error messages, as well as dmesg.
There doesn't seem to be a logfile for reportbug, neither a way to 
increase verbosity. I tried several times to report a bug, yet it never 
worked (bug didn't show up at BTS), neither got the reply from BTS.


I see reportbug has a suggests relationship with python-vte.
My python version is 2.5.4.2. I used to have the sid python package 
(ccsm didn't work with the older), but now it catched up in squeeze. I 
don't know if this is related, just in case.


I don't know if it's just some missing configuration on my behalf, yet I 
find no more than what is already explained at the debian website. I 
googled, yet found nothing useful for my particular issue.

man reportbug doesn't show me anything for checking up connection with BTS.

Thanks, Omar





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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Girish Kulkarni]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Neal Hogan wrote:

... I think Mark has hit the proverbial nail-on-the-head ...


Yes, with a top-posted HTML message, sent using Gmail.  :-)

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Problem with Xen in Squeeze

[antipolizay]

Hi.

Can't run xend in debian squeeze.

Install packages:
linux-image-xen-amd64
xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-amd64

And reboot using:

title   Xen 3.2-1-amd64 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/xen-3.2-1-amd64.gz
module  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 ro console=tty0
module  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64


/etc/init.d/xend start
Starting XEN control daemon: xenstored xenconsoled xendFATAL: Failed to 
initialize dom0 state: Invalid argument
 failed!


/var/log/xen/xend-debug.log
Xend started at Thu Jul 30 08:07:30 2009.
Exception starting xend: (111, 'Connection refused')

/var/log/xen/xend.log
[2009-07-30 08:07:30 11647] INFO (SrvDaemon:331) Xend Daemon started
[2009-07-30 08:07:30 11647] INFO (SrvDaemon:335) Xend changeset: unavailable.
[2009-07-30 08:07:30 11647] INFO (SrvDaemon:342) Xend version: Unknown.
[2009-07-30 08:07:30 11647] ERROR (SrvDaemon:353) Exception starting xend 
((111, 'Connection refused'))
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/server/SrvDaemon.py", line 345, 
in run
servers = SrvServer.create()
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/server/SrvServer.py", line 251, 
in create
root.putChild('xend', SrvRoot())
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/server/SrvRoot.py", line 40, in 
__init__
self.get(name)
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/web/SrvDir.py", line 82, in get
val = val.getobj()
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/web/SrvDir.py", line 52, in getobj
self.obj = klassobj()
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/server/SrvDomainDir.py", line 
41, in __init__
self.xd = XendDomain.instance()
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/XendDomain.py", line 1630, in 
instance
inst.init()
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/XendDomain.py", line 109, in init
xstransact.Mkdir(XS_VMROOT)
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/xenstore/xstransact.py", line 
355, in Mkdir
complete(path, lambda t: t.mkdir(*args))
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/xenstore/xstransact.py", line 
361, in complete
t = xstransact(path)
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/xenstore/xstransact.py", line 
29, in __init__
self.transaction = xshandle().transaction_start()
  File "/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/xenstore/xsutil.py", line 18, in 
xshandle
xs_handle = xen.lowlevel.xs.xs()
Error: (111, 'Connection refused')
[2009-07-30 08:07:30 11646] INFO (SrvDaemon:219) Xend exited with status 1.

Re: U3 and other firmware USB thumbdrives

[Rick Thomas]

The only usb key I have encountered with U3 on it was a sandisk.
Every other kind I have is just a plain simple USB key.  So I would  
say

most are simply USB keys.  If they have U3 or similar they tend to
advertise it as if it was an amazing and useful feature.



Useful links for getting rid of U3...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U3

http://www.u3.com/uninstall/final.aspx


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How to Install Java in Lenny? SOLVED

[Edward C. Jones]

I use the amd64 port.

Put
  deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid non-free
in /etc/apt/sources.list

Install sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-plugin. They bring in a few other 
packages including sun-java6-jre.


Java5 cannot be used since sun-java5-plugin is not yet in unstable for 
the amd64 port.



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apt.conf and ia32-apt-get

[Dave Witbrodt]

Does the new 'ia32-apt-get' system honor anything in /etc/apt after 
initially being installed, such as 'apt.conf'?  Or should 'apt.conf' be 
copied to '/etc/ia32-apt'?



Dave W.


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Re: [Fwd: Re: Musings on debian-user list]

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 19:42, Miles Fidelman wrote:
[snip]


Well, actually, I read mail on my Mac, with SeaMonkey, but that's 
another story.  I keep a copy of Alpine on the server for those times 


There's a reply-to-list addon for Tbird, but I don't know if it 
works with SeaMonkey.


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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Stefan Monnier]

>> Hmm.. not quite.. text-mode browsers are also useful insofar as they
>> remove all the fluff and reveal the actual content.
> Leaving nothing at all of most Web sites.

Yup: the actual content,


Stefan




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[Fwd: Re: Musings on debian-user list]

[Miles Fidelman]

Ron Johnson wrote:


On 2009-07-29 19:04, Miles Fidelman wrote:

Some of us run servers :-)


And presumably you're experienced enough to run Mutt.  Give OP some 
time...


Well, actually, I read mail on my Mac, with SeaMonkey, but that's 
another story.  I keep a copy of Alpine on the server for those times 
I'm on the road at locations that block IMAP (of course some of those 
tend to block ssh as well; I've taken to tethering through my Blackberry 
when on the road).


I've been running headless Debian servers for years, never used 
anything but a command line to manage them.


I guess I could run X-Windows remotely, but never really saw a need 
to - ssh to a command prompt is just fine.


You're right.  Keep it X-less.

Unless you've got an Oracle database.  In which case you *must* 
install X.   G.


Never did have to run Oracle.  At work, we run Oracle on customer 
servers, but my stuff has always been MySQL.


Cheers,

Miles

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ai estão as fotos como prometi..

[carla]

 - This mail is a HTML mail. Not all elements could be shown in plain text 
mode. -

Anexo:
fotos_saojoao.pps (152,0 Kb)
Pessoal,
Tirei da máquina as fotos e to enviando pra todo mundo ok
Eu adore!!!
Bjs,uma ótima semana!
Carla.

Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 19:04, Miles Fidelman wrote:

Ron Johnson Wrote


On 2009-07-28 13:09, Mark wrote:
[snip]
 
When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install 
without the

desktop environment.
   
But what will you *do* with it? Mutt will frustrate you to no end, and 
the intarweb has become too graphics-oriented to make lynx/elinks 
widely useful. 

>

Some of us run servers :-)


And presumably you're experienced enough to run Mutt.  Give OP some 
time...


I've been running headless Debian servers for years, never used anything 
but a command line to manage them.


I guess I could run X-Windows remotely, but never really saw a need to - 
ssh to a command prompt is just fine.


You're right.  Keep it X-less.

Unless you've got an Oracle database.  In which case you *must* 
install X.   G.


Now, if I used Debian for my desktop environment, that might be a 
different story, but I got sucked into Macs a long time ago.


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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Miles Fidelman]

Ron Johnson wrote:


On 2009-07-28 16:03, Tim Beauregard wrote:
[snip]
  


Altavisting?  Yahooing?  It really is a jungle out there.



Altavista...  Haven't thought about that in a good long time.
  
Funny thing, I just checked, Altavista is still out there!  So is Excite 
for that matter.  They've changed hands a few times, but still seem tied 
to their technical roots.  Yahoo, on the other hand


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Re: What is the correct way to disable NCQ? Where to report upstream?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 14:17, Allan Wind wrote:

On 2009-07-29T13:48:49, Ron Johnson wrote:

[snip]

What chipset driver?


Fusion MPT ScsiHost drivers for SAS (mptsas.c).


Maybe the drive or driver doesn't support NCQ?

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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Miles Fidelman]

Ron Johnson Wrote


On 2009-07-28 13:09, Mark wrote:
[snip]
  


When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the
desktop environment.


But what will you *do* with it? Mutt will frustrate you to no end, and 
the intarweb has become too graphics-oriented to make lynx/elinks 
widely useful. 

Some of us run servers :-)

I've been running headless Debian servers for years, never used anything 
but a command line to manage them.


I guess I could run X-Windows remotely, but never really saw a need to - 
ssh to a command prompt is just fine.


Now, if I used Debian for my desktop environment, that might be a 
different story, but I got sucked into Macs a long time ago.


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Re: can I use ext4 now?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 17:10, Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:16:34PM -0400, Clemens Eisserer wrote:

As far as I know 2.6.27 included stable ext4 support.


Is there a debian package? 'apt-cache policy linux-image-686' shows only
2.6.30 in unstable and 2.6.26+17+lenny1 in testing.


Dunno about testing, but I definitely would *not* use ext4 with 
anything less than 2.6.30.


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Re: HDD,SSD,diagnostic,integrity verify tools.Free,Opensource.

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:07:35PM -0700, Luis Maceira wrote:
> > What is the best tool available in the free,OpenSource world to verify
> > the integrity of HDD but,specially SSD drives(the fading capacity problem
> > with too many writes to the same blocks).It is not only a problem of
> > filesystem check,it is more physical of the drive itself.Right now,I do
> > not remember of any.
> 
> smartd in smartmontools package <- more physical of the drive
> fsck<- filesystem check

dd and badblocks <- excercise the drive and to find out bad sectors on
drives with bad firmware or that have run out of remapping area (will hasten
the death of your SSD, though).

When in doubt, stick to smartmontools like Osamu said.

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[John Hasler]

CJ writes:
> Hmm.. not quite.. text-mode browsers are also useful insofar as they
> remove all the fluff and reveal the actual content.

Leaving nothing at all of most Web sites.
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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:47:55PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:20:00AM EDT, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 28 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > > On 2009-07-28 13:09, Mark wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > >> When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the
> > >> desktop environment.
> > >
> > > But what will you *do* with it?  Mutt will frustrate you to no end,
> 
> The only thing I find "frustrating" about mutt is that it is impossible
> to view more than one message at a time - you actually have to fire up a
> second instance of mutt to achieve this. 
> 
I'm using mutt right now and I think it's pretty damn cool.  It required 
learning a lot of new stuff in order to set it up initially, but
thanks to that I'm now smarter than I used to be!

-Rob


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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Chris Jones]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:20:00AM EDT, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> > On 2009-07-28 13:09, Mark wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the
> >> desktop environment.
> >
> > But what will you *do* with it?  Mutt will frustrate you to no end,

The only thing I find "frustrating" about mutt is that it is impossible
to view more than one message at a time - you actually have to fire up a
second instance of mutt to achieve this. 

What else?

> > and the intarweb has become too graphics-oriented to make lynx/elinks
> > widely useful.

Hmm.. not quite.. text-mode browsers are also useful insofar as they
remove all the fluff and reveal the actual content. 

CJ


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Re: can I use ext4 now?

[Rick Pasotto]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:16:34PM -0400, Clemens Eisserer wrote:
> As far as I know 2.6.27 included stable ext4 support.

Is there a debian package? 'apt-cache policy linux-image-686' shows only
2.6.30 in unstable and 2.6.26+17+lenny1 in testing.

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Re: Amarok2 for i386

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <200907292309.34862.kom...@uvt.cz>, komodo wrote:
>I tried to install Amarok2 from unstable but i always get amarok 1.4.
>
>Now i see that there is only 1.4 version for i386, is there anybody who
> knows when will be second version of Amarok avaliable for i386 ?

Soon.  I believe some transitioning is going on now.  It is already 
available from experimental.
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Re: can I use ext4 now?

[Clemens Eisserer]

As far as I know 2.6.27 included stable ext4 support.

- Clemens

2009/7/29 Rick Pasotto :
> I just got a new 1tb sata drive and formated it and then created a
> filesystem with 'mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdc1'. This completed without errors but
> evidently 'mount' doesn't know about ext4. The command I tried was:
>
> mount -t ext4 -o nodelalloc /dev/sdc1 /s3
>
> I'm running 'testing' and my kernel is:
>
> Linux niof.net 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:57:38 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
>
> Should I just use ext3 for now and then convert the fs to ext4 when the
> 2.6.30 comes out of unstable?
>
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Amarok2 for i386

[komodo]

Hi

I tried to install Amarok2 from unstable but i always get amarok 1.4. 

Now i see that there is only 1.4 version for i386, is there anybody who knows 
when will be second version of Amarok avaliable for i386 ?

Thanks

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can I use ext4 now?

[Rick Pasotto]

I just got a new 1tb sata drive and formated it and then created a
filesystem with 'mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdc1'. This completed without errors but
evidently 'mount' doesn't know about ext4. The command I tried was:

mount -t ext4 -o nodelalloc /dev/sdc1 /s3

I'm running 'testing' and my kernel is:

Linux niof.net 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:57:38 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux

Should I just use ext3 for now and then convert the fs to ext4 when the
2.6.30 comes out of unstable?

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Re: Reproducible filesystem corruption in lenny

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <97cbd1a90907291319wc4cca42r87cb799f94fe8...@mail.gmail.com>, Josh Kelley 
wrote:
>I'm not sure the
>best way to further track down the problem from here.  Is there an
>easy way (short of compiling my own kernel) to try out 2.6.27?  

Compiling your own kernel from upstream sources is not *that* hard.  You 
might try more recent kernels from Lenny/Sid if they are new enough for you 
(dependencies should be minor) before you go through the effort, though.

>If I
>submit a bug to Debian's bug tracker, would the Debian devs have the
>time and resources to backport a fix, or would this be a "wait until
>next release" problem?

Data loss would be RC-severity, which would mean the fix would be eligible 
to go into proposed-updates and then be put into stable/lenny at the next 
point release.
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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:

> Really?  Tbird has pretty good keyboard controls, and allows me to
> display just a potload of folders and subjects on screen at any one
> time.  (Note, though, that I work in 2-pane mode, with individual
> mails in a separate window.)

If I can't read email after a two node ssh hop using pssh on my
 palm treo, it does not count.

This is why emacs +vm/gnus rule.

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Re: What is the correct way to disable NCQ? Where to report upstream?

[Allan Wind]

On 2009-07-29T21:13:53, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> No, not sysctl.conf, use /etc/sysfs.conf (package sysfsutils). You can  
> then add the two lines:
> block/sda/device/queue_depth=1
> block/sdb/device/queue_depth=1
>
> sysctl.conf is for /proc/sys.

Perfect.  Thanks.


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Re: Inquiry:Debian server Remote Desktop Connection

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Re: Reproducible filesystem corruption in lenny

[Josh Kelley]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Emil Pedersen wrote:
> Don't know if it is at all related, but I had some usb sticks
> behaving quiet strange too (on a debian etch 64bit).
>
> The symptons where that a file (kernel actually) that was copied
> to the stick could not be run the next time the stick was mounted.
> Now the nasty part was that if I used e.g. tar or dd to put the
> file on stick instead of cp the file _was_ correct after a remount.
>
> I also noticed that it took signicifantly longer to use tar than
> cp (though perhaps tar is writing chars instead of blocks which
> could explain that?).
>
> I never found out what was causing the behaviour, so please share
> any findings to your problem.

For anyone who's interested, here's what we've been able to figure out so far.

Apparently we were dealing with two unrelated problems, which caused a
lot of my confusion.

First, the Linux kernel does appear to have a bug that causes
filesystem corruption when executing the following commands:

mke2fs -O has_journal,resize_inode,dir_index,filetype,sparse_super,large_file
/dev/sdb2
tune2fs -c 29 /dev/sdb2   # /dev/sdb is an external flash drive
mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/image
cd /mnt/image
tar xf ~/data.tar# data.tar is a 71MB archive of the /var partition
cd
umount /mnt/image
e2fsck -f /dev/sdb2

The specific corruption that I've seen is that some symlinks are
invalid; I don't know if other corruption is possible or not.
Workarounds are to use ext2 or to mount -o sync.  I can reproduce bug
in Debian 4.0 and 5.0 but not Ubuntu 9.04 running off of a live CD on
the same hardware, so I'm assuming that the problem was fixed between
Debian 5.0's Linux 2.6.26 and Ubuntu 9.04's 2.6.28.  I'm not sure the
best way to further track down the problem from here.  Is there an
easy way (short of compiling my own kernel) to try out 2.6.27?  If I
submit a bug to Debian's bug tracker, would the Debian devs have the
time and resources to backport a fix, or would this be a "wait until
next release" problem?

Second, the particular flash drive that we're using (Lexar JumpDrive
Firefly 4GB, revision L) is apparently very unreliable under Linux,
even though a previous revision of the same product worked fine.  (We
happened to start using the new revision flash drive around the same
time that we upgraded to Debian 5.0.  I didn't even notice that the
revision had changed and so I mistakenly thought the problem was the
Debian 5.0 upgrade.)  The new revision is also 15% slower than the old
revision.  We tried contacting Lexar's tech support, but they claim
that their product doesn't work under Linux.  I don't know how to
further troubleshoot this problem or why the flash drives work fine
under Windows, but at this point, I'm probably just going to switch to
a different manufacturer rather than sink more time into
troubleshooting.

Josh Kelley


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Re: Back up routines

[Joseph Rawson]

On Tuesday 28 July 2009 05:35:20 Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 08:51:31PM +0200, Johan Grönqvist
>
> wrote:
> > The homepage  also
> > mentions some graphical front ends that may be useful, but
> > I have not tried any of them.
>
> I am in the process of packaging "archfs", a FUSE-powered
> user filesystem tool that provides a view onto an
> rdiff-backup.

I had no idea such a program existed.  I've been wanting to add such 
functionality to my dosbox frontend, but haven't had the time to fiddle with 
it myself.  It's cool to learn something new every day! :)

Do you have an estimate of when it will appear in sid?


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Re: What is the correct way to disable NCQ? Where to report upstream?

[Allan Wind]

On 2009-07-29T13:48:49, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Subsequently, I disabled NCQ with:
>>
>> $ echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
>> $ echo 1 > /sys/block/sdb/device/queue_depth
>
> I'd put them in rc.local, or /etc/sysctl.conf (depending on if Google 
> says that /etc/sysctl.conf says that's the correct place).

sysctl.conf only does /proc as far as I could tell.  This is /sys 
changes.

>> which rendered the system stable.  Is there a better way of  
>> implementing this work-around than a rcS.d or rc2.d script?  
>>
>> What is the right place to report this problem with NCQ?   
>> linux-...@vger.kernel.org generated no response.
>
> What chipset driver?

Fusion MPT ScsiHost drivers for SAS (mptsas.c).


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Re: What is the correct way to disable NCQ? Where to report upstream?

[Stephan Seitz]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:48:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

Subsequently, I disabled NCQ with:
$ echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
$ echo 1 > /sys/block/sdb/device/queue_depth
I'd put them in rc.local, or /etc/sysctl.conf (depending on if Google 
says that /etc/sysctl.conf says that's the correct place).


No, not sysctl.conf, use /etc/sysfs.conf (package sysfsutils). You can 
then add the two lines:

block/sda/device/queue_depth=1
block/sdb/device/queue_depth=1

sysctl.conf is for /proc/sys.

Shade and sweet water!

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Re: What is the correct way to disable NCQ? Where to report upstream?

[David Maus]

At Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:03:07 -0400,
Allan Wind wrote:
> 

> ...
> 
> Subsequently, I disabled NCQ with:
> 
> $ echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
> $ echo 1 > /sys/block/sdb/device/queue_depth
> 
> which rendered the system stable.  Is there a better way of 
> implementing this work-around than a rcS.d or rc2.d script?  
> 

IMHO these settings should go to /etc/sysfs.conf:

,
| # /etc/sysfs.conf - Configuration file for setting sysfs attributes.
`

Regards,

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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 13:04, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:



Is there a way in fvwm to have a panel/dock with applets (weather,
volume, date/time and "window list" are really useful to me) and have
look like Windows 2000 (aka Crux theme and borders, and GNOME-like
icons)?


You can certainly have panels, but I have no idea what windows
 2000 looks like. You can have narrow ribbons on top or bottom, for
 sure.

Look at redmondXP at: 
 http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/


Is that close to what you want? They also have a redmond98.


Redmond98 looks closest.  I'll have to try it out.

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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 12:19, Anthony Campbell wrote:

On 29 Jul 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2009-07-29 02:36, Anthony Campbell wrote:
[snip] 

Incidentally, the same comments apply to mutt. What's wrong with it?

Nothing's *wrong* with it.  Except that "opaque" is it's middle name.

I do have it around, though, and configured for IMAP, in case X ever
gets hosed again.



Perhaps it's just a matter of what you're used to. I've occasionally 
looked at some of the graphical alteratives and found them irritating 
and time-wasting.


Really?  Tbird has pretty good keyboard controls, and allows me to 
display just a potload of folders and subjects on screen at any one 
time.  (Note, though, that I work in 2-pane mode, with individual 
mails in a separate window.)



  My wife uses gmail, which drives me to distraction.


Must agree with you on that...

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Re: How to make from source debian package?

[Brian]

On Wed 29 Jul 2009 at 16:00:16 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:

> the gnustep packages are very old when installed from the official
> repositories so I wish to make debian packages from sources: tarballs,
> or SVN to make the fresh gnustep debian packages for the Lenny.

If the packages in unstable are new enough for you they could be backported to
Lenny. Here is a possible route to take:

http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize


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Re: linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 + ext4

[Jimmy Johnson]

Roger Leigh wrote:

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:06:35PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

I thought "linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64" had ext4 support built into it or
what I'm I doing wrong? I can't mount ext4.


This kernel is working fine for me with ext4.  What errors are you
getting?



The typical message:
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda15.
missing codepage or helper program, or other error
in some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so.

Thanks Roger, I needed to edit fstab from ext3 to ext4, just mark my
post as a brainfart. :) The kernel is working just fine.

Sorry if this has been posted more than once, my smtp server crashed 
yesterday.

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Re: What is the correct way to disable NCQ? Where to report upstream?

[Ron Johnson]

[snip]

...

Subsequently, I disabled NCQ with:

$ echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
$ echo 1 > /sys/block/sdb/device/queue_depth


I'd put them in rc.local, or /etc/sysctl.conf (depending on if 
Google says that /etc/sysctl.conf says that's the correct place).


which rendered the system stable.  Is there a better way of 
implementing this work-around than a rcS.d or rc2.d script?  

What is the right place to report this problem with NCQ?  
linux-...@vger.kernel.org generated no response.


What chipset driver?

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Re: How to make from source debian package?

[Stefan Monnier]

> the gnustep packages are very old when installed from the official
> repositories so I wish to make debian packages from sources: tarballs,
> or SVN to make the fresh gnustep debian packages for the Lenny.

> By the way I wish to translate it to Hungarian too.

> When I get sources with 'apt-get source gnustep-packages' then I have
> the debian/ directories, but don't have these when I download tarballs
> or checkout SVN.

> What is the procedure to get these debian/ directories so one can to
> install these sources as debian packages?

> Any advices will be appreciated!

BTW: Once you have it all setup, please consider helping out the Debian
maintainers of those packages, so that they stay more up-to-date.
Thank you,


Stefan


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Re: should I get SATA drives for old PC?

[Steve Kleene]

On 2009-07-29 08:54, I wrote:
> Before I build a Lenny system on my 5-year-old PC, I want to replace the two
> internal hard drives.  I'm not too swift with hardware specs and want to make
> sure I get the right drives.

Thanks to all of you for your helpful advice.


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What is the correct way to disable NCQ? Where to report upstream?

[Allan Wind]

I have a pair of Western Digital RE4-GP (WD2002FYPS) drives in 
a software RAID1 configuration using Linux 2.6.30.3 on a 
LSISAS1068E controller.  Within hours one of the drives was 
kicked out of the array with:

[ 4907.485324] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 3907028974   


[ 4907.485543] md: super_written gets error=-5, uptodate=0  


[ 4907.485546] raid1: Disk failure on sdb2, disabling device.   


[ 4907.485547] raid1: Operation continuing on 1 devices.


[ 4907.499157] RAID1 conf printout: 


[ 4907.499159]  --- wd:1 rd:2   


[ 4907.499162]  disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda2 


[ 4907.499164]  disk 1, wo:1, o:0, dev:sdb2 


[ 4907.503037] RAID1 conf printout: 


[ 4907.503039]  --- wd:1 rd:2   


[ 4907.503041]  disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda2 


[ 6705.292961] sd 4:0:1:0: [sdb] Sense Key : Recovered Error 
[current] [descriptor]  
   
[ 6705.292967] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in 
hex):   

[ 6705.292970] 72 01 00 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00 00 00 00 
00 00   
   
[ 6705.292978] 00 4f 00 c2 00 50


[ 6705.292983] sd 4:0:1:0: [sdb] Add. Sense: ATA pass through 
information available   
  
[ 6705.359497] sd 4:0:1:0: [sdb] Sense Key : Recovered Error 
[current] [descriptor]  
   
...

Subsequently, I disabled NCQ with:

$ echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
$ echo 1 > /sys/block/sdb/device/queue_depth

which rendered the system stable.  Is there a better way of 
implementing this work-around than a rcS.d or rc2.d script?  

What is the right place to report this problem with NCQ?  
linux-...@vger.kernel.org generated no response.


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Re: Error loading operating system

[Stefan Monnier]

> sda1 /10Gb
> sda2 /usr   10Gb
> sda3 /var   10 Gb
> sda5 swap  1 Gb
> sda6 /tmp   1 Gb
> sda7 /home the rest of the driveabout 456 Gb

Every one has his favorite partitioning scheme (and prefers or avoids
LVM), so I won't delve into that, but in my experience, you'd be better
off adding /tmp's 1GB to the swap and then use tmpfs for /tmp.
You'll get slightly better performance (mostly because tmpfs doesn't
need to care about preserving a consistent filesystem in case of
a crash).


Stefan


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Re: Back up routines

[Ben Olive]

I haven't had a chance to try it out but http://www.boxbackup.org/
looks like a pretty cool solution.

--Ben

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> I trust Amazon more than a HD.  You're free not to, but I've seen more
>> HDs fail than I have Amazons.
>
> I'm not sure the HD's reliability is much of an issue: you wouldn't want
> to backup to a single drive which you bring back home at night,
> otherwise, during the day you're at the mercy of a big accident.
> So instead you want to have 2 drives (e.g. one at home and one at the
> office) which you swap every once in a while (e.g. daily).  You'll also
> want to replace those drives every once in a while (e.g. every 3 years,
> or whenever the backup size grows past the capacity of the drive).
>
>> Uploading to a remote server is more automated (client doesn't even
>> have to *think* about it), and for low amounts of data, is cheaper.
>
> Agreed.  Luckily I have a machine of mine off-site, so I still don't
> have to rely on Amazon.  Actually, most people have a machine off-site:
> one at home and one at the office, so they're both mutually off-site.
>
>
>        Stefan
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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Wed, Jul 29 2009, AG wrote:

> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 28 2009, AG wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Care to elaborate on that, John?  This is a serious question - I used
>>> to use Xfce back in the days of Slackware 8.1, but that was still a WM
>>> (or was that a DE?).  Are you referring to those FWM-like systems, or
>>> something entirely different?
>>> 
>>
>> I use fvwm.  This allows far more control: for example, see here
>>  for window decorations:
>>http://www.twobarleycorns.net/fvwm-decors.html>
>> Here is a mac osxy look and feel using fvwm:
>>http://www.guistyles.com/wp-gallery/fvwmmilk2ny.jpg>  A bit snow 
>> blindingly white, but it has decent aesthetics.
>>
>> Here are some screen shots:
>>http://fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/>
>> Here is where you see a tutorial to create bouncing docks, all
>>  by yourself:
>>http://www.zensites.net/fvwm/guide/advanced_buttons.html>
>> Here is a tutorial:
>>http://www.zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html>
>> You get to create gestures, and bind them to keys, and with
>>  fvwm-themes it is themable, it can be extended, and you can use perl
>>  functions to add to fvwm.
>>
>> All in all, I would say while heavy customization takes time,
>>  you can rarely get this level of control elsewhere.
>>
>> manoj
>>   
> Manoj
>
> That's a really impressive set of eye candy actually.  I like the look
> of it.  In the past, looking at FVWM it has appeared grey and "clunky"
> in its unaltered state and I guess that I just backed away from
> fiddling with all of the configurations.  Same reason I have tended
> not to go beyond dipping my toe in fluxbox/ blackbox waters.  But,
> from the pics you have shown it looks like it might be worth playing
> with in the background on a slow work/ study day because the
> configurations don't appear too taxing if approached methodically.
>
> Thank you for that.  Certainly worth taking a more sympathetic and
> closer look than I have hitherto done.

Two things. Firstly, the default out-of-box fvwm in Debian comes
 with a theme, so it no longer looks as clunky -- it has working menus,
 and is set up to help people easily modify it.

Things can be improved by using fvwm-themes -- there are
 unofficial debs out there on the main site.

Also, if you want more eye candy, look at hat you can get out of
 the box if you use fvwm-themes: and you can switch between these with a
 single menu option (no editing configuration files):

http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/

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SOLVED Re: Sid: Grub2 faling to boot: Unknown device UUID

[Curt Howland]

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Just to continue to with the saga, today I decided to just screw it 
and reintall, to try to install Grub2 first since upgrading from Grub 
to Grub2 just would not boot.

I installed Grub2, with only /dev/hda plugged in so that /dev/hdb 
would not be formatted since the Debian installer refuses to NOT 
repartition disks. Fine. With just /dev/hda plugged in, Grub2 booted 
just fine.

However, as soon as I plugged /dev/hdb in and tried to boot, Grub 
choked with "error 2". Whatever that is. I used the rescue function, 
mounted /dev/hdb1, put it in the fstab, had everything working and 
executed "update-grub". But it still would not boot, "error 2".

I tried twice more, Grub and Grub2, no luck. As soon as I plugged the 
second IDE drive in, Grub would refuse to boot.

LILO works. So my server is back to using LILO, because GRUB just 
won't work. I'm sure it's just my server, being old and crotchity, 
but I'm lost as to why Grub worked last week, before Grub2 installed 
the UUIDs and messed things up, but Grub doesn't work this week.

I hate it when that happens. Welcome back, LILO. Long time no see.

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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:


> Is there a way in fvwm to have a panel/dock with applets (weather,
> volume, date/time and "window list" are really useful to me) and have
> look like Windows 2000 (aka Crux theme and borders, and GNOME-like
> icons)?

You can certainly have panels, but I have no idea what windows
 2000 looks like. You can have narrow ribbons on top or bottom, for
 sure.

Look at redmondXP at: 
 http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/

Is that close to what you want? They also have a redmond98.

manoj
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Re: Back up routines

[Stefan Monnier]

> I trust Amazon more than a HD.  You're free not to, but I've seen more
> HDs fail than I have Amazons.

I'm not sure the HD's reliability is much of an issue: you wouldn't want
to backup to a single drive which you bring back home at night,
otherwise, during the day you're at the mercy of a big accident.
So instead you want to have 2 drives (e.g. one at home and one at the
office) which you swap every once in a while (e.g. daily).  You'll also
want to replace those drives every once in a while (e.g. every 3 years,
or whenever the backup size grows past the capacity of the drive).

> Uploading to a remote server is more automated (client doesn't even
> have to *think* about it), and for low amounts of data, is cheaper.

Agreed.  Luckily I have a machine of mine off-site, so I still don't
have to rely on Amazon.  Actually, most people have a machine off-site:
one at home and one at the office, so they're both mutually off-site.


Stefan


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Re: question about email delivery triggered by resent thread on musings

[s. keeling]

Paul E Condon :
> 
>  I think it has something to do with Procmail. I run Procmail to
>  distribute emails by topic/sender/etc. When fetchmail terminates,
>  procmail is still running, I suspect. Is this what is happening?  Is

procmail will log its activities, with "VERBOSE = yes" giving plenty
of detail:

PMDIR = $HOME/procmail
LOGFILE = $PMDIR/log
LOGABSTRACT = yes


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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Anthony Campbell]

On 29 Jul 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2009-07-29 02:36, Anthony Campbell wrote:
[snip] 
> >
> >Incidentally, the same comments apply to mutt. What's wrong with it?
> 
> Nothing's *wrong* with it.  Except that "opaque" is it's middle name.
> 
> I do have it around, though, and configured for IMAP, in case X ever
> gets hosed again.
> 

Perhaps it's just a matter of what you're used to. I've occasionally 
looked at some of the graphical alteratives and found them irritating 
and time-wasting. My wife uses gmail, which drives me to distraction.

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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Chris Jones]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:04:45PM EDT, Michael Pobega wrote:

[..]

> Mark, a GUI-less system is useless (unless it's some sort of server). 

My setup would probably qualify as "GUI-less" - i.e. the _interface_ is
terminal/cell-based, not graphics/pixel-based, and yet it let me read
this interesting thread and post my two cents' worth to it, so it's far
from useless.

In fact, apart for a few activities I personally have no interest in,
such as photo or video editing, I'm hard put to it to think of anything
I am not able to do with my GUI-less desktop.

Or did you mean a "headless" system, or "X-less"..?

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Re: should I get SATA drives for old PC?

[Carl Johnson]

Steve Kleene  writes:

> Before I build a Lenny system on my 5-year-old PC, I want to replace the two
> internal hard drives.  I'm not too swift with hardware specs and want to make
> sure I get the right drives.  I will probably get 500GB drives and do not
> expect to set up RAID.
>
> The drives now are Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 6K040L0 40GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra
> ATA133.  There isn't much of a selection anymore with the ATA100 or ATA133
> interfaces; most new drives are SATA 3 GB/s.
>
> The motherboard is an Asus P4P800 Deluxe.  It has two SATA connectors and
> came with the cables.  The motherboard manual says, "The current Serial ATA
> interface allows up to 150 MB/s data transfer rate" (i.e. >133).
>
> So now to the questions:
>
> 1. What difficulties (if any) might I expect in setting up the SATA drives?
>A quick search found quite a few posts where people had to mess with the
>BIOS, add a SATA driver, etc. with this motherboard.
>
> 2. If I buy a SATA 3 GB/s drive, will this motherboard only give me 150 MB/s
>anyway?  In that case maybe I should just go with ATA100 or ATA133.  I
>assume either would work.

The standard is *supposed* to be backward compatible, and *should*
automatically negotiate the maximum speed that both can handle.  Not
all chipsets handle that properly, so you may need to jumper the drive
to the reduced speed.  I saw similar warnings about my VIA chipset, so
when I bought a new drive at a local shop, I specifically asked about
the jumper.  They looked it up and gave me a copy of the jumper page
from the manual.  I first tried without the jumper, and neither the
BIOS or Linux even saw the drive, but with the jumper it worked
perfectly.  Some older BIOSs may not boot properly from SATA drives,
so you may need to keep the older drives for booting.

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Re: should I get SATA drives for old PC?

[Mark Allums]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2009-07-29 08:54, Steve Kleene wrote:
>> Before I build a Lenny system on my 5-year-old PC, I want to replace 
the two internal hard drives.  I'm not too swift with hardware specs and 
want to make sure I get the right drives.  I will probably get 500GB 
drives and do not expect to set up RAID.

>>
>> The drives now are Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 6K040L0 40GB 7200 RPM 
IDE Ultra ATA133.  There isn't much of a selection anymore with the 
ATA100 or ATA133 interfaces; most new drives are SATA 3 GB/s.

>
> I'd use the PATA drive as the boot disk.  BIOSes (especially 5yo 
ones!) just seem to like IDE devices better.


The largest PATA drive available is 500GB.  Ron is correct, if you 
already have a suitable PATA drive, use it for boot.


>
>> The motherboard is an Asus P4P800 Deluxe.  It has two SATA 
connectors and came with the cables.  The motherboard manual says, "The 
current Serial ATA interface allows up to 150 MB/s data transfer rate" 
(i.e. >133).

>>
>> So now to the questions:
>>
>> 1. What difficulties (if any) might I expect in setting up the SATA 
drives?  A quick search found quite a few posts where people had to mess 
with the BIOS, add a SATA driver, etc. with this motherboard.


You may need to jumper a SATA drive to limit it to 1.5Gb/s.  Even though 
compatibility is alleged to be there between drives and motherboards of 
different standards, there are sometimes exceptions.



> The driver *should* be in the stock kernel.  BIOS fiddling is 
possible, but not difficult.  You'll probably only need to tell it which 
of your drives to boot from.


>> 2. If I buy a SATA 3 GB/s drive, will this motherboard only give me 
150 MB/s anyway?  In that case maybe I should just go with ATA100 or 
ATA133.  I assume either would work.


Probably.  Yes, the limit will be in the speed of the interface.  If the 
MB is 1.5Gb/s, then so will the hard disk.



> Modern rotational devices don't even saturate ATA133, much less 
SATA-1, and nowhere near the "SATA II"/3Gbps capability. Fortunately, 
SATA II drives are backwards compatible.

>
> So, I'd put the OS on the IDE drive, and /home and swap on the SATA drive

Newer SATA drives can be had in sizes up to 2TB, and are nice and fast, 
so do consider making one of your drives a SATA drive.  In other words, 
I agree with Ron.


You may want to consider an SSD for either drive.  They have some 
advantages, depending on what you are doing.  Solid State Drives have no 
moving parts and some of them are very fast.  They are expensive.  You 
may wish to read up on them on anandtech.com and other sites that test 
and review drives.  They are SATA drives.


You can use a SATA drive with an IDE/PATA interface using an adapter. 
The adapters are fairly cheap, and seem to work fine.  If you want to 
buy only SATA drives, these adapters may be something to look into.


If you haven't bought the drives, you could buy two IDE/PATA hard 
drives, and get a SATA DVD drive, or a Blu-Ray drive.  (All Blu-Ray 
drives are SATA.)



Mark Allums


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Re: Back up routines

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:08:24 -0400
Eric Gerlach  wrote:

Hello Eric,

> 2. Pay Amazon $3/mo and don't worry about it;

Ron's already pointed out that, at the drop of a hat, Amazon can just
delete your account.

If relying on one 3rd party for backups you should worry.  Probably a
lot.

For example, I can do backups and store the data in two places easily.
I'll wager that Amazon don't have one set of your data in (say) New
York, and another set in (for argument's sake) Toronto.  There'll just
be the one set.  If that site goes offline, your backups are as much use
as a chocolate teapot.

In any case, the *real* cost issue WRT to backing data up is not how
much the storage costs, but how much it would cost to _manually_
re-enter all the data.  This will, inevitably, be a lot more than the
cost of an HD or two.

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Re: should I get SATA drives for old PC?

[Mark]

[snip]

1. What difficulties (if any) might I expect in setting up the SATA drives?
>   A quick search found quite a few posts where people had to mess with the
>   BIOS, add a SATA driver, etc. with this motherboard.
>


>  2. If I buy a SATA 3 GB/s drive, will this motherboard only give me 150
>> MB/s
>>   anyway?  In that case maybe I should just go with ATA100 or ATA133.  I
>>   assume either would work.
>>
>
> Modern rotational devices don't even saturate ATA133, much less SATA-1, and
> nowhere near the "SATA II"/3Gbps capability. Fortunately, SATA II drives are
> backwards compatible.


Some SATA 3 GB/s drives have a jumper for it to operate in 150 MB/s mode;
most WD drives do.  This along with enabling SATA support in your BIOS has
worked for me.  But yes, the mobo will limit you to 150 MB/s (if you even
reach speed that as Ron mentioned).  I have an old HP box that has SATA 150
support built into the mobo - no extra drivers needed, with XP or Debian.
Not sure if this applies to your mobo but you may not have any work to do if
SATA 150 is supported natively.

Re: java-gcj installation bug

[Fred]

On Sunday 12 July 2009 16:16:07 David Baron wrote:
> Setting up java-gcj-compat-headless (1.0.80-5.1) ...
> update-alternatives: error: alternative rmiregistry can't be master: it is
> a slave of java
> dpkg: error processing java-gcj-compat-headless (--configure):
>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
>
> Anyone fixed this?

No fix. But I have the same issue. I didn't manage to fix it.

If I'm not wrong, I think it's a bug in update-java-alternatives from java-
common.

I'm running debian unstable, same package version than yours.

See: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=41

Any other hint would be appreciated.

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Re: should I get SATA drives for old PC?

[Steve Kleene]

At Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:54:14 -0400, I asked:

> Before I build a Lenny system on my 5-year-old PC, I want to replace the
> two internal hard drives. ... What difficulties (if any) might I expect in
> setting up the SATA drives? ... If I buy a SATA 3 GB/s drive, will this
> motherboard only give me 150 MB/s anyway?

At Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:22:57 -0500, Ron Johnson 
replied:

> I'd put the OS on the IDE drive, and /home and swap on the SATA drive

Thanks, that was helpful.  I'll probably go with that advice.


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Re: GCC

[Mark Allums]

Johan Grönqvist wrote:

simon h skrev:

I wonder why Debian needs three versions of the GCC compiler: 4.1, 4.2,
and 4.3? Shouldn't one be enough? Is it because the compiler has no
down-compatibility?


I think that is the reason, yes. I also think that lack of manpower is 
the reason there are not even more (older) versions of gcc in debian.


At , you can see that there are 
changes between versions that can break certain programs. I was recently 
asked for advice by someone that needs a 3.x version of gcc.


(For completeness: I will suggest debootstrap/schroot for running gcc3.X 
without affecting his current installation.)



When you install a later version, it doesn't necessarily become the new 
default GCC.  For example, even though I have installed GCC 4.4 on my 
machine, 4.3 is still the version I get when I type gcc --version. 
Again, this is generally because the kernel and other system programs 
were probably compiled using it.


To use 4.4, I can specify 4.4 on the command line:

#gcc-4.4 -o hello hello.c


When building a large program than has been packaged by Debian, or in 
the usual GNU .tar.gz/.tgz style, (something that uses make) one can 
usually set an environment variable:


#export CC=gcc-4.4
#./configure
#make
#make install
#export CC=


Or even just:

#CC=gcc-4.4; ./configure; make; make install


Hope this helps,

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Re: ssh says Cannot listen to port: 6000

[Anthony Campbell]

On 29 Jul 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2009-07-29 08:49, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> >On 29 Jul 2009, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> >>>Or simply put these 2 lines at the top of your ~/.ssh/config
> >>>
> >>>Host *
> >>>  ForwardX11 no
> >>Please forget this nonsense, I read only the subject line, not
> >>the body of your message.
> >
> >
> >Thanks to you and Ron I now know that port 6000 is being used by X11.
> >And in fact, if I ssh at a terminal without starting X I can connect.
> >But then, of course, I can't start X!
> >
> >How can this be resolved? It must  be possible because it works on two
> >other computers, just not on this one.
> 
> Compare /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc across the systems.  Mine, devoid
> of whitespace and comments, simply says:
> 
> $ cat /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
> exec /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten tcp
> 
> Googling "-nolisten tcp" should point you in the right direction.
> 
Sorry, Ron - I accidentally replied to you instead of the list. Anyway,
for everyone else. this is the answer:

Thanks, yes; I'd just found this myself, at
http://etutorials.org/Networking/network+security+hacks/Chapter+1.+Unix+Host+Security/Hack+9+Prevent+Services+from+Bindi+ng+to+an+Interface/

Ron is indeed right, but oddly enough I do have the same line in
/etc/X11/xserverrc but the 'nolisten' switch is being ignored on this
machine. If I start X with 'startx -- -nolisten tcp' everything works. 

Probably needs a bug report.

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Re: ssh says Cannot listen to port: 6000

[Siggy Brentrup]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 14:49 +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> Thanks to you and Ron I now know that port 6000 is being used by X11.
> And in fact, if I ssh at a terminal without starting X I can connect.
> But then, of course, I can't start X!
> 
> How can this be resolved? It must  be possible because it works on two
> other computers, just not on this one.

Standard call for more info: run

  2>&1 ssh -vvv  | tee ssh.log

and come back with ssh.log in an attachment (it can get quite lengthy).

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Re: rsync problem

[Daniel Burrows]

  Just a correction to my example here:

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 07:25:48AM -0700, Daniel Burrows  
was heard to say:
> $ mkdir foo
> $ echo > --test
> $ rsync --test foo
> rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.cc(1440) 
> [client=3.0.6]
> $ rsync -- test foo

  Obviously that should be "rsync -- --test foo".

> $ ls foo
> --test

  Daniel


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Re: Can't do security updates in aptitude for 3 packages

[Daniel Burrows]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:49:47AM +0200, Csanyi Pal  was 
heard to say:
> Hi,
> 
> my system is Debian GNU/Linux Lenny with linux-image 2.6.26-2-486.
> 
> When I run:
> 
> $ sudo aptitude
> 
> and did update I get that there is three packages for sevurity updates
> available. 
> 
> When I hit 'g' to did security updates I get message:
> 
> --\ Packages being automatically held in their current state (3)
> i A  libopenexr6 1.6.1-31.6.1-3+le
> i A  linux-image-2.6.26-2-4862.6.26-17  2.6.26-17l
> i A  linux-libc-dev 2.6.26-172.6.26-17l
> 
> These packages could be upgraded, but they have been kept in their
> current state to avoid breaking dependencies.
> This group contains 3 packages.

  Interestingly, it looks to me like aptitude places packages in this
group when you just haven't requested any action on them.  I think it's
based on the "auto" flag, which is totally wrong.  I would just ignore
the "automatically held" group and the supposed "explanations" for now.

  Daniel


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Re: How to make from source debian package?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 09:00, Csanyi Pal wrote:

Hi,

the gnustep packages are very old when installed from the official
repositories so I wish to make debian packages from sources: tarballs,
or SVN to make the fresh gnustep debian packages for the Lenny.

By the way I wish to translate it to Hungarian too.

When I get sources with 'apt-get source gnustep-packages' then I have
the debian/ directories, but don't have these when I download tarballs
or checkout SVN.

What is the procedure to get these debian/ directories so one can to
install these sources as debian packages?


Those are added by Debian Developers as part of the packaging process.


Any advices will be appreciated!


There's quite a bit of documentation on the website regarding how to 
package, translate, etc.


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Re: should I get SATA drives for old PC?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 08:54, Steve Kleene wrote:

Before I build a Lenny system on my 5-year-old PC, I want to replace the two
internal hard drives.  I'm not too swift with hardware specs and want to make
sure I get the right drives.  I will probably get 500GB drives and do not
expect to set up RAID.

The drives now are Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 6K040L0 40GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra
ATA133.  There isn't much of a selection anymore with the ATA100 or ATA133
interfaces; most new drives are SATA 3 GB/s.


I'd use the PATA drive as the boot disk.  BIOSes (especially 5yo 
ones!) just seem to like IDE devices better.



The motherboard is an Asus P4P800 Deluxe.  It has two SATA connectors and
came with the cables.  The motherboard manual says, "The current Serial ATA
interface allows up to 150 MB/s data transfer rate" (i.e. >133).

So now to the questions:

1. What difficulties (if any) might I expect in setting up the SATA drives?
   A quick search found quite a few posts where people had to mess with the
   BIOS, add a SATA driver, etc. with this motherboard.


The driver *should* be in the stock kernel.  BIOS fiddling is 
possible, but not difficult.  You'll probably only need to tell it 
which of your drives to boot from.



2. If I buy a SATA 3 GB/s drive, will this motherboard only give me 150 MB/s
   anyway?  In that case maybe I should just go with ATA100 or ATA133.  I
   assume either would work.


Modern rotational devices don't even saturate ATA133, much less 
SATA-1, and nowhere near the "SATA II"/3Gbps capability. 
Fortunately, SATA II drives are backwards compatible.


So, I'd put the OS on the IDE drive, and /home and swap on the SATA 
drive


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Re: GCC

[Mark Allums]

Johan Grönqvist wrote:

simon h skrev:

I wonder why Debian needs three versions of the GCC compiler: 4.1, 4.2,
and 4.3? Shouldn't one be enough? Is it because the compiler has no
down-compatibility?


I think that is the reason, yes. I also think that lack of manpower is 
the reason there are not even more (older) versions of gcc in debian.


At , you can see that there are 
changes between versions that can break certain programs. I was recently 
asked for advice by someone that needs a 3.x version of gcc.


(For completeness: I will suggest debootstrap/schroot for running gcc3.X 
without affecting his current installation.)


Yes, GCC is not downward compatible in many cases.  There is no 
particular motivation for this because the old version is always still 
available, and multiple versions can be installed side by side.


An example of the need to keep an old version around is the kernel. 
Recent kernels use GCC 4.3, but just prior to that, kernels were 
compiled using 4.1.  Kernel modules must be compiled using the same 
compiler as the kernel itself, thus the need to keep both around.


Mark Allums




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Re: ssh says Cannot listen to port: 6000

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 08:49, Anthony Campbell wrote:

On 29 Jul 2009, Siggy Brentrup wrote:

Or simply put these 2 lines at the top of your ~/.ssh/config

Host *
  ForwardX11 no

Please forget this nonsense, I read only the subject line, not
the body of your message.



Thanks to you and Ron I now know that port 6000 is being used by X11.
And in fact, if I ssh at a terminal without starting X I can connect.
But then, of course, I can't start X!

How can this be resolved? It must  be possible because it works on two
other computers, just not on this one.


Compare /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc across the systems.  Mine, devoid 
of whitespace and comments, simply says:


$ cat /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
exec /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten tcp

Googling "-nolisten tcp" should point you in the right direction.

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Re: Reproducible filesystem corruption in lenny

[Emil Pedersen]

--On onsdag, juli 29, 2009 09.07.16 -0400 Josh Kelley 
 wrote:



On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Owen
Townend wrote:

Just to be clear here: When using one of these fraudulent drives
filling it up will produce no errors. Reading it back will show
corruption once passed the actual size of the device.

Your comment didn't mention whether you were able to successfully
read back the data after it was written in Windows.


Sorry I wasn't clearer.  I filled it up (to within 1MB of its reported
capacity) in Windows and then was able to read it back successfully
both in Windows and Linux.

Josh Kelley


Don't know if it is at all related, but I had some usb sticks
behaving quiet strange too (on a debian etch 64bit).

The symptons where that a file (kernel actually) that was copied
to the stick could not be run the next time the stick was mounted.
Now the nasty part was that if I used e.g. tar or dd to put the
file on stick instead of cp the file _was_ correct after a remount.

I also noticed that it took signicifantly longer to use tar than
cp (though perhaps tar is writing chars instead of blocks which
could explain that?).

I never found out what was causing the behaviour, so please share
any findings to your problem.

Regards,
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How to make from source debian package?

[Csanyi Pal]

Hi,

the gnustep packages are very old when installed from the official
repositories so I wish to make debian packages from sources: tarballs,
or SVN to make the fresh gnustep debian packages for the Lenny.

By the way I wish to translate it to Hungarian too.

When I get sources with 'apt-get source gnustep-packages' then I have
the debian/ directories, but don't have these when I download tarballs
or checkout SVN.

What is the procedure to get these debian/ directories so one can to
install these sources as debian packages?

Any advices will be appreciated!

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Re: GCC

[Johan Grönqvist]

simon h skrev:

I wonder why Debian needs three versions of the GCC compiler: 4.1, 4.2,
and 4.3? Shouldn't one be enough? Is it because the compiler has no
down-compatibility?


I think that is the reason, yes. I also think that lack of manpower is 
the reason there are not even more (older) versions of gcc in debian.


At , you can see that there are 
changes between versions that can break certain programs. I was recently 
asked for advice by someone that needs a 3.x version of gcc.


(For completeness: I will suggest debootstrap/schroot for running gcc3.X 
without affecting his current installation.)



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should I get SATA drives for old PC?

[Steve Kleene]

Before I build a Lenny system on my 5-year-old PC, I want to replace the two
internal hard drives.  I'm not too swift with hardware specs and want to make
sure I get the right drives.  I will probably get 500GB drives and do not
expect to set up RAID.

The drives now are Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 6K040L0 40GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra
ATA133.  There isn't much of a selection anymore with the ATA100 or ATA133
interfaces; most new drives are SATA 3 GB/s.

The motherboard is an Asus P4P800 Deluxe.  It has two SATA connectors and
came with the cables.  The motherboard manual says, "The current Serial ATA
interface allows up to 150 MB/s data transfer rate" (i.e. >133).

So now to the questions:

1. What difficulties (if any) might I expect in setting up the SATA drives?
   A quick search found quite a few posts where people had to mess with the
   BIOS, add a SATA driver, etc. with this motherboard.

2. If I buy a SATA 3 GB/s drive, will this motherboard only give me 150 MB/s
   anyway?  In that case maybe I should just go with ATA100 or ATA133.  I
   assume either would work.

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Re: ssh says Cannot listen to port: 6000

[Anthony Campbell]

On 29 Jul 2009, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> > 
> > Or simply put these 2 lines at the top of your ~/.ssh/config
> > 
> > Host *
> >   ForwardX11 no
> 
> Please forget this nonsense, I read only the subject line, not
> the body of your message.
> 
> duck
>   Siggy
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Thanks to you and Ron I now know that port 6000 is being used by X11.
And in fact, if I ssh at a terminal without starting X I can connect.
But then, of course, I can't start X!

How can this be resolved? It must  be possible because it works on two
other computers, just not on this one.

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Re: Reproducible filesystem corruption in lenny

[Josh Kelley]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Owen Townend wrote:
> Just to be clear here: When using one of these fraudulent drives
> filling it up will produce no errors. Reading it back will show
> corruption once passed the actual size of the device.
>
> Your comment didn't mention whether you were able to successfully read
> back the data after it was written in Windows.

Sorry I wasn't clearer.  I filled it up (to within 1MB of its reported
capacity) in Windows and then was able to read it back successfully
both in Windows and Linux.

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kdm login problem

[Christopher Judd]

Hi,

 I'm running testing (amd64) on this box.  After doing an aptitude 
full-upgrade yesterday, I can no longer login to kdm.  If I kill kdm and 
login, I can then run startx which starts the usual kde session.  I did 
some googling and found some references to pam upgrades, but those 
packages seem to be up to date.  The only errors in kdm.log are related 
to keyboard and fonts.  Any idea what has gone wrong?

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Re: Can't do security updates in aptitude for 3 packages

[Siggy Brentrup]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:51 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:
> Siggy Brentrup  writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:49 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> my system is Debian GNU/Linux Lenny with linux-image 2.6.26-2-486.
> >> 
> >> When I run:
> >> 
> >> $ sudo aptitude
> >> 
> >> and did update I get that there is three packages for sevurity updates
> >> available. 
> >> 
> >> When I hit 'g' to did security updates I get message:
> >> 
> >> --\ Packages being automatically held in their current state (3)
> >   
> >> i A  libopenexr6 1.6.1-31.6.1-3+le
> >> i A  linux-image-2.6.26-2-4862.6.26-17  2.6.26-17l
> >> i A  linux-libc-dev 2.6.26-172.6.26-17l
> >> 
> >> These packages could be upgraded, but they have been kept in their
> >> current state to avoid breaking dependencies.
> >> This group contains 3 packages.
> >> 
> >> If you select a package, an explanation of its current state will
> >> appear in this space.
> >> 
> >> libopenexr6 will not be upgraded to version 1.6.1-3+lenny3, to avoid
> >> breaking the following dependencies:
> >> 
> >> but here isn't list any dependencies! 
> >> That is the case in other two packages too.
> >
> > With the marked line highlighted hit '+' 'to unhold' those packages.
> > Should this break things you will be warned again.
> 
> That did the trick!

That line tells you it was done automatically sometimes in the past
to avoid harm.

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Re: ssh says Cannot listen to port: 6000

[Siggy Brentrup]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 14:48 +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:49 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 2009-07-29 06:40, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > >On 2009-07-29 03:59, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > >>I'm trying to connect via ssh to a remote server, with
> > >> ssh -f  -L 6000:localhost:4499 campb...@91.204.208.39 -N
> > >>channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000
> > >>
> > >>When I enter the password I get:
> > >>
> > >>bind: Address already in use
> > >>channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000
> > >>Could not request local forwarding
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I can't find port 6000 with netstat -a.
> > >
> > >Is that 6000 or 6?
> > 
> > Forgot to mention: Google "port 6000".
> > 
> > http://www.auditmypc.com/port/tcp-port-6000.asp
> 
> Or simply put these 2 lines at the top of your ~/.ssh/config
> 
> Host *
>   ForwardX11 no

Please forget this nonsense, I read only the subject line, not
the body of your message.

duck
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samba idmap and openldap. user add problem.

[Vladimir Elizarov]

Hello!

There is a samba (configured with backend idmap -
http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-4844 and
http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Ldapsam_Editposix) and ldap from lenny.
Catalog filled with the necessary data for the samba. Workstations and
users
part of the domain. But there is a problem:

Adding user:
net user add testuser password -UAdministrator%password
The user is not added to the group Domain Users. Enter below the
the user can not do. Although the windows of his views and ldap it is.

If try to manually add the group:
net rpc group addmem "domain users" testuser -UAdministrator%password

Users not add to group domain users.

Then add the local user testuser using useradd.
After this manipulation of the user can easily add to the group domain
users.

http://dumpz.org/11006/ - smb.conf
http://dumpz.org/11008/ - nsswitch.conf
http://dumpz.org/11007/ - log ldap'a when adding a user

when viewing of users in such logs pdc:
[2009/07/28 17:17:34, 0] passdb / pdb_get_set.c: pdb_get_group_sid (210)
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Re: ssh says Cannot listen to port: 6000

[Siggy Brentrup]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:49 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2009-07-29 06:40, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >On 2009-07-29 03:59, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> >>I'm trying to connect via ssh to a remote server, with
> >> ssh -f  -L 6000:localhost:4499 campb...@91.204.208.39 -N
> >>channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000
> >>
> >>When I enter the password I get:
> >>
> >>bind: Address already in use
> >>channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000
> >>Could not request local forwarding
> >>
> >>
> >>I can't find port 6000 with netstat -a.
> >
> >Is that 6000 or 6?
> 
> Forgot to mention: Google "port 6000".
> 
> http://www.auditmypc.com/port/tcp-port-6000.asp

Or simply put these 2 lines at the top of your ~/.ssh/config

Host *
  ForwardX11 no

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Re: Lenny does not recognise blank CD; Etch does.

[Javier Barroso]

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 07:35 +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
>> On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 16:49 +1200, Bruce Ward wrote:
>> > On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 12:18 +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 21:35 +1200, Bruce Ward wrote:
>> > > > On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 16:35 +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
>> > > > > On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 20:21 +1200, Bruce Ward wrote:
>> > > > > > I have a machine with a dvd writer (/dev/hdc) and a cd writer
>> > > > > > (/dev/hdd).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > under Lenny, the CD writer will not recognise a blank CD. Nothing. 
>> > > > > > The
>> > > > > > DVD writer will recognise one.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Any ideas?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Humm... you might want to check how HAL detects that devices. There 
>> > > > > are
>> > > > > some GUIs, but you can send a report with:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >  hal-find-by-capability  --capability storage.cdrom | xargs 
>> > > > > hal-device
I reported a bug [1] against hal package, I'm not sure, but my dvd are
not recognized anymore, like in this thread ( I referenced it in the
bug)

I'm using sid, with DVD+-RW GSA-H53L unit.

Bruce, did you find any solution to this issue ?

Thanks,

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/539149


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Re: Set non-English font in Yakuake?

[Osamu Aoki]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:09:44PM -0400, Michael Yang wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Anyone knows how to set non-English fonts in Yakuake? (I'm using
> debian/lenny + xfce4).
> 
> By right-click options -> Setting -> Fonts -> Select.., only monospace fonts
> are available to choose, I wonder how to set fonts for non-English
> characters?

Guessing from your name, you want chinese fonts.

Look for font from Chinese task in aptitude and install them.

Please read:
 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch07.en.html#_fonts_in_the_x_window
 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.en.html


 
> Thanks very much,
> Michael.


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USB Ethernet adapter and pegasus hang the computer?

[Csanyi Pal]

Hi,

My system is Debian GNU/Linux Lenny with linux-image 2.6.26-2-486 on
an old Toshiba laptop 'Satellite 2540CDS'. I love it!

I'm using USB2.0 Ethernet adapter to connect to the Internet. The box
is on LAN at my home. I'm using cable modem to connecting to the
Internet. 

There is kernel modules loaded:
pegasus, mii, usbcore.

cdc_ether and usbnet are not loaded and I still have the internet
connection! 

It is often happen that this connection to the internet fail. Then I
don't know how to fix it.  I tried the following command:
$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
but that not help.

If I try:
$ sudo rmmod pegasus
or
$ sudo shutdown -t 1 -r now

then the reboot process start, but hang at:

acpid: exiting

[17045.620329] pegasus 1-1:1.0: set_registers, status -22

Here I can only use the Power Button of the PC Box.

Why this happen, and how can I solve this problem?

Any advices will be appreciated!

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установка RAID 1

[Чебур Чебуреков]

Добрый день.
При установке debian-40r5-i386-CD-1.iso сталкнулся с проблемой, что при 
конфигурировании разметки дисков нет пунка меню по настройке программного RAID. 
Подскажите, можно ли каким либо образом воспользоватся им?
При установке пользуюсь командой install acpi=off. Использую одинаковые SATA 
жесткие диски.


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Re: U3 and other firmware USB thumbdrives

[Nuno Magalhães]

> The only usb key I have encountered with U3 on it was a sandisk.
> Every other kind I have is just a plain simple USB key.  So I would say
> most are simply USB keys.  If they have U3 or similar they tend to
> advertise it as if it was an amazing and useful feature.

Same here for my usb keys. The only U3 i have is my Samsung mp3/ogg
player, and it 'just works' (although i haven't tried screwing with
it's fs...).

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Re: Can't do security updates in aptitude for 3 packages

[Csanyi Pal]

Siggy Brentrup  writes:

> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:49 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> my system is Debian GNU/Linux Lenny with linux-image 2.6.26-2-486.
>> 
>> When I run:
>> 
>> $ sudo aptitude
>> 
>> and did update I get that there is three packages for sevurity updates
>> available. 
>> 
>> When I hit 'g' to did security updates I get message:
>> 
>> --\ Packages being automatically held in their current state (3)
>   
>> i A  libopenexr6 1.6.1-31.6.1-3+le
>> i A  linux-image-2.6.26-2-4862.6.26-17  2.6.26-17l
>> i A  linux-libc-dev 2.6.26-172.6.26-17l
>> 
>> These packages could be upgraded, but they have been kept in their
>> current state to avoid breaking dependencies.
>> This group contains 3 packages.
>> 
>> If you select a package, an explanation of its current state will
>> appear in this space.
>> 
>> libopenexr6 will not be upgraded to version 1.6.1-3+lenny3, to avoid
>> breaking the following dependencies:
>> 
>> but here isn't list any dependencies! 
>> That is the case in other two packages too.
>
> With the marked line highlighted hit '+' 'to unhold' those packages.
> Should this break things you will be warned again.

That did the trick!

But I can't remember that that I holded any packages in aptitude.

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Re: ssh says Cannot listen to port: 6000

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 06:40, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2009-07-29 03:59, Anthony Campbell wrote:

I'm trying to connect via ssh to a remote server, with
 ssh -f  -L 6000:localhost:4499 campb...@91.204.208.39 -N
channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000

When I enter the password I get:

bind: Address already in use
channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000
Could not request local forwarding


I can't find port 6000 with netstat -a.


Is that 6000 or 6?


Forgot to mention: Google "port 6000".

http://www.auditmypc.com/port/tcp-port-6000.asp


There has to something wrongly configured on this machine because on a
different one it does work. Any suggestions what to try next?


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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 02:36, Anthony Campbell wrote:

On 28 Jul 2009, John Hasler wrote:

Mark wrote:

When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the
desktop environment.

Ron Johnson writes:

But what will you *do* with it?  Mutt will frustrate you to no end, and
the intarweb has become too graphics-oriented to make lynx/elinks widely
useful.

[snip]


Incidentally, the same comments apply to mutt. What's wrong with it?


Nothing's *wrong* with it.  Except that "opaque" is it's middle name.

I do have it around, though, and configured for IMAP, in case X ever 
gets hosed again.


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Re: ssh says Cannot listen to port: 6000

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-29 03:59, Anthony Campbell wrote:

I'm trying to connect via ssh to a remote server, with
 ssh -f  -L 6000:localhost:4499 campb...@91.204.208.39 -N
channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000

When I enter the password I get:

bind: Address already in use
channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000
Could not request local forwarding


I can't find port 6000 with netstat -a.


Is that 6000 or 6?


There has to something wrongly configured on this machine because on a
different one it does work. Any suggestions what to try next?


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Re: approx: infinite loop during update, importing

[Sylvain Le Gall]

On 29-07-2009, whollyg...@letterboxes.org  wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:09 +, "Sylvain Le Gall" 
> wrote:
>> On 28-07-2009, whollyg...@letterboxes.org 
>> wrote:
>> > I've two questions re approx version 3.3.0 on 
>> > lenny i386.  The first is, anybody else get
>> > caught in an infinite loop updating the Packages
>> > files?  I've tried from localhost and a remote
>> > machine.  On both machines, running "aptitude
>> > update" causes the Packages file to start 
>> > downloading (you can watch it grow with repeated
>> > "find /var/cache/approx -type -f -ls"), then
>> > after awhile the file disappears, and a few
>> > seconds later appears once more continuing
>> > to grow until it disappears again.  In short, it
>> > ain't working for me.
>> >
>> 
>> Using approx since three years, never seen such a behavior.
>> 
>> - you can download from the machine hosting approx the Package file,
>>   from internet without problem (e.g. using curl).
>
> If I switch /etc/apt/sources.list back to pointing directly to
> a debian mirror, the file downloads just fine.  This is true
> both from an remote machine, and from the machine on which I
> am trying to build the approx package proxy.  It is only
> when the sources.list files (on the remote machine, or on
> the machine hosting the approx repository) that the weird
> incomplete download loop happens.
>

You can try using "curl http://.../Packages..."; from the machine
hosting approx, even if it sounds weird it can give you hints on what is
happening (I say curl because approx use curl). If the problem is at the
download level, there is probably a problem with curl from this specific
computer. The same problem can disappear using apt/wget/iceweasel/...
from the same machine. 

Another point is to look at the log in /var/log/* to see what happens
when the problem appears. You will probably find there some valuable
information (error messages...).

Regards,
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GCC

[simon h]

Hello all,

just a little existential question:

I wonder why Debian needs three versions of the GCC compiler: 4.1, 4.2,
and 4.3? Shouldn't one be enough? Is it because the compiler has no
down-compatibility?

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

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Re: Can't do security updates in aptitude for 3 packages

[Siggy Brentrup]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:49 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> my system is Debian GNU/Linux Lenny with linux-image 2.6.26-2-486.
> 
> When I run:
> 
> $ sudo aptitude
> 
> and did update I get that there is three packages for sevurity updates
> available. 
> 
> When I hit 'g' to did security updates I get message:
> 
> --\ Packages being automatically held in their current state (3)
  
> i A  libopenexr6 1.6.1-31.6.1-3+le
> i A  linux-image-2.6.26-2-4862.6.26-17  2.6.26-17l
> i A  linux-libc-dev 2.6.26-172.6.26-17l
> 
> These packages could be upgraded, but they have been kept in their
> current state to avoid breaking dependencies.
> This group contains 3 packages.
> 
> If you select a package, an explanation of its current state will
> appear in this space.
> 
> libopenexr6 will not be upgraded to version 1.6.1-3+lenny3, to avoid
> breaking the following dependencies:
> 
> but here isn't list any dependencies! 
> That is the case in other two packages too.

With the marked line highlighted hit '+' 'to unhold' those packages.
Should this break things you will be warned again.

Good luck
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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Charlie]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:27:57 -0500 Manoj Srivastava wrote:

You get to create gestures, and bind them to keys, and with
 fvwm-themes it is themable, it can be extended, and you can use perl
 functions to add to fvwm.

All in all, I would say while heavy customization takes time,
 you can rarely get this level of control elsewhere.

manoj

You've convinced me and I've changed and am using it, so far so very
good.

Thank you,
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Re: Can't retrieve online quotes with gnucash

[Kc9EYE]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 05:14:01PM -0400, Bernard Fay wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Using GNUcash version 2.2.6 with Debian 5.0, I have the following
>> > message
>> > when I try to get online quotes for US stock exchanges:
>> >
>> > Unable to retrieve quotes for these items:
>> >   NYSE:C
>> >   NYSE:BAC
>> >   NYSE:F
>> >   NYSE:AIG
>> >   NYSE:HAR
>> >   NASDAQ:NOVL
>> > Continue using only the good quotes?
>> >
>> >
>> > So far, when I try to download quotes for the TSX, I don't have any
>> > problems.
>> >
>> > Does someone has a fix for this problem?

Have a look at this [1]. I had a problem setting this up also. It
turned out to be this bug [1] in finance::quote. I followed the remedy
laid out in the bug report have been retrieving quotes succesfully
ever since.

[1] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=988268

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Can't do security updates in aptitude for 3 packages

[Csanyi Pal]

Hi,

my system is Debian GNU/Linux Lenny with linux-image 2.6.26-2-486.

When I run:

$ sudo aptitude

and did update I get that there is three packages for sevurity updates
available. 

When I hit 'g' to did security updates I get message:

--\ Packages being automatically held in their current state (3)
i A  libopenexr6 1.6.1-31.6.1-3+le
i A  linux-image-2.6.26-2-4862.6.26-17  2.6.26-17l
i A  linux-libc-dev 2.6.26-172.6.26-17l

These packages could be upgraded, but they have been kept in their
current state to avoid breaking dependencies.
This group contains 3 packages.

If you select a package, an explanation of its current state will
appear in this space.

libopenexr6 will not be upgraded to version 1.6.1-3+lenny3, to avoid
breaking the following dependencies:

but here isn't list any dependencies! 
That is the case in other two packages too.

What does it mean?
I can't anymore update these packages from this time?

Any advices will be appreciated!

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Re: Re: Sid: Grub2 faling to boot: Unknown device UUID

[Dominik Sznajder]

Charlie Kroeger wrote:

Ok, another in the continuing saga.



When I upgrade Grub2 which is frequently, I get the following error message
when I reboot:

  Booting 'Debian Gnu/Linux, Linux 2.6.30-1-686
error: unknown argument '--no-floppy'
failed to boot default entries.
press any key to continue.

If I press any key I see the edit screen of Grub and it only contains the one
line:

set root=(hd0,1)

If I reboot it with CTRL+ALT+DEL and restore the default script I can edit
that and remove the offending '--no-floppy' part of the line and then boot
normally with the CTRL+x command

my solution to this in the past has been to 're-edit' the following file:

/boot/grub/grub.cfg

where I take out all the references to '--no-floppy'

This is part of that file edited:

=

# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
#
# It is automatically generated by /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig using templates
# from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
#
  
Edit /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub, so that grub-mkconfig produces 
what you want during upgrading.

All references to a floppy are removed. I don't have a floppy and there isn't
one mentioned in the bios, so..

Question: If I commented out every line in the file starting with:

#search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 8c502a23-b2ab-4670-b4e8-86d79b595aa5
would the same thing be accomplish without screwing things up?

Question: is there a way to prevent this file from being replaced every time
Grub upgrades or would that not be wise?
  
It does not answer any of your questions, but hopefully solves your 
Grub2 problem.


DS


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Re: Set non-English font in Yakuake?

[Florian Kriener]

On Michael Yang wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Anyone knows how to set non-English fonts in Yakuake? (I'm using
> debian/lenny + xfce4).
>
> By right-click options -> Setting -> Fonts -> Select.., only monospace
> fonts are available to choose, I wonder how to set fonts for
> non-English characters?

Try DejaVu Sans Mono it's in ttf-dejavu{-core,-extra}, it's a quite 
complete unicode font.


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ssh says Cannot listen to port: 6000

[Anthony Campbell]

I'm trying to connect via ssh to a remote server, with
 ssh -f  -L 6000:localhost:4499 campb...@91.204.208.39 -N
channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000

When I enter the password I get:

bind: Address already in use
channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 6000
Could not request local forwarding


I can't find port 6000 with netstat -a.

There has to something wrongly configured on this machine because on a
different one it does work. Any suggestions what to try next?



Anthony




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Re: proper place for iptables script

[Javier Barroso]

Hi,

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Javier Barroso wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 22:23 -0400, Andrew Reid wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:04:20 Rob Owens wrote:
>>> > In the interest of learning new things, I'm moving from shorewall to plain
>>> > old iptables.  I've got my script made, but I'm not sure what the proper
>>> > procedure is for starting it automatically at boot.  Is there a "Debian
>>> > way" to do this?
Ough, it is documented in Debian Manual "Securing debian Howto" [1,2]

Regards,

[1]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s5.14.3.2
[2] 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s5.14.3.3


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Re: proper place for iptables script

[Javier Barroso]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 22:23 -0400, Andrew Reid wrote:
>> On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:04:20 Rob Owens wrote:
>> > In the interest of learning new things, I'm moving from shorewall to plain
>> > old iptables.  I've got my script made, but I'm not sure what the proper
>> > procedure is for starting it automatically at boot.  Is there a "Debian
>> > way" to do this?
This is a frequently asked question in this list, should be explain in
our wiki [1]

I don't known if it (procediment from wiki) is the best practice or
conclusions from this or previous threads [2,3,4] should be included
in that page (or even in README.Debian from iptables package).

Regards,

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/iptables
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg00754.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/08/msg7.html
[4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/01/msg00599.html


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Re: Musings on debian-user list

[Anthony Campbell]

On 28 Jul 2009, John Hasler wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the
> > desktop environment.
> 
> Ron Johnson writes:
> > But what will you *do* with it?  Mutt will frustrate you to no end, and
> > the intarweb has become too graphics-oriented to make lynx/elinks widely
> > useful.
> 
> "No desktop environment" does not mean no graphics (nor does it mean no X).
> There _is_ life outside CDE, KDE, and Gnome.
> -- 
> John Hasler
> 
> 

Quite agree about desktop environments. Surprised no one has mentioned
Icewm; I try other WMs from time to time but always come back to Icewm
with a sense of relief.

Incidentally, the same comments apply to mutt. What's wrong with it?

Anthony

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Re: New debian-user-dutch mailinglist?

[Paul van der Vlis]

Paul van der Vlis schreef:
> Hallo,
> 
> Ik wou een beetje polsen of er hier mensen zijn die interesse hebben in
> een Debian mailinglijst in het Nederlands. Ik heb al een paar mensen die
> geinteresseerd zijn, mochten er nog een paar bij komen dan zal ik er een
> starten.
> 
> Uiteraard is er al NL-ondersteuning via forums en nieuwsgroepen, maar
> deze is vaak niet Debian-specifiek. En soms is het toch prettig tussen
> soortgenoten te zitten.
> 
> Ik kan me ook voorstellen dat er mensen zijn die geen tijd hebben om
> algemene forums en nieuwsgroepen te lezen en beantwoorden, maar nog wel
> net tijd hebben om af en toe een Debian-specifieke mailinglist te lezen
> met niet zoveel verkeer.
> 
> Interesse?

Er hebben zich op verschillende manieren nu voldoende mensen gemeld om
het een redelijke aanvraag te laten zijn.

Daarom heb ik de aanvraagprocedure gestart:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539102

In de aanvraagprocedure voor een lijst staat dat het op prijs gesteld
wordt als andere geinteresseerden de aanvraag ondersteunen door een
mailtje te sturen naar het bugreport.

Ik zou het dus op prijs stellen als geinteresseerden een mailtje met
bijval (in het Engels) zou kunnen sturen naar 539...@bugs.debian.org.

Met vriendelijke groet,
Paul van der Vlis.




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