Re: How to build .deb pkgs

[Andrei Popescu]

On Thu,17.Sep.09, 10:25:15, shampavman wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Im new to debian and want to rebuild a few packages for which i need
> some info on how to buid .deb pkgs ...
> I have been using solaris for quite some time and pretty familiar
> with svr4 packaging..
> Can anyone point out links to start the understanding ... Im a
> beginner mind you... So need as much descriptive as possible.

http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/

and maybe other documents on

http://www.debian.org/devel/

After you read those you can address specific questions on 
debian-mentors list.

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Re: Where did nv.ko go?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,16.Sep.09, 18:14:27, Arthur Barlow wrote:
> I believe that someone else wrote in about it this, but until I shutdown my
> X server I didn't realize I had the problem.  I logged out, and when gdm
> tried to reset I get a message saying that it cannont find the "nv" driver.
>  I have a "GeForce4 MX 4000" card.  Thanks.

Do you have the package xserver-xorg-video-nv installed?

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How to build .deb pkgs

[shampavman]

Hi all,

Im new to debian and want to rebuild a few packages for which i need 
some info on how to buid .deb pkgs ...
I have been using solaris for quite some time and pretty familiar with 
svr4 packaging..
Can anyone point out links to start the understanding ... Im a beginner 
mind you... So need as much descriptive as possible.




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Inconsistency with Debian 5 and adding printers

[Bret Busby]

Hello.

I have a Samsung CLP300 colour laser printer.

When I connected it to my laptop, in each of both Ubuntu 8.04 and 
Debian 5, which was installed as a clean install, the printer was 
automatically installed and set up (I didn't have to do anything - it 
just appeared as an installed printer, ready to use).


When I connected the printer to this desktop computer, the same happened 
with the Ubuntu 8.04 installation.


When the printer was connected to this desktop and the desktop was 
running Debian 4, the printer (apparently) could not be installed.


So (and, for other reasons), I yesterday upgraded the Debian 
installation on this computer, to Debian 5, following the Release Notes 
instructions. The only problem of which I was aware, in the upgrade, 
that was encountered, was the loss of the graphics adaptor driver, and 
thence XWindows, which was subsequently, easily (after I was advised of 
the solution), ovbercome.


But, I cannot install the printer driver on this Debian 5 installation.

The printer was not automatically installed and set up, ready to go, as 
it was with the clean installation of Debian 5 on the laptop.


In trying to manually install the printer, using the foomatic-gui 
application, that application detects the printer, and, goes through 
the (apparent) process of installing the printer, but, at the end of 
that process, when it should have successfully completed, the printer is 
not added as an installed printer. I have tried adding the printer, via 
the foomatic-gui application, using both the splix and the foo2qpdl 
driver options, and, until the final screen appears, that lists the 
installed printers, shows that the printer is not installed, it all 
seems to be going okay.


I have also tried to add the printer to the installed printers, using 
the System -> Administration -> Printing -> Add Printer facility, but, 
whilst that detects the printer, the printer driver is not listed as an 
available printer driver, to select.


Why is it, that a clean install of Debian 5, automatically installs and 
sets up the printer, ready for use, like Ubuntu 8.04, but, a Debian 5 
installation that is done as an upgrade from Debian 4, still disallows 
the printer from being installed.


Can this be overcome?

At present, I have to revert to doing what I was doing before upgrading 
the Debian installtion on the desktop, to Debian 5; if I want to print, 
using the CLP-300, I have to reboot into Ubuntu 8.04, as the Debian 
installation again does not allow the use of the printer.


It is frustrationg, that a Debian 5 installation, that is done by 
upgrading from Debian 4, is so different to a Debian 5 installation that 
is done as a clean install, meaning that a Debian 5 installation that is 
done as an upgrade from Debian 4, is more of a combination of Debian 4 
and 5 (like a system that is a combination of stable, testing and 
unstable), than a Debian 5 system, and is thus, not truly Debian 5.


I had intended to add other new printers, including a Samsung 
multi-funtion thingy, to my desktop computer, but it appears that a 
Debian 5 installation that is an upgrade from Debian 4, does not work 
for adding printers, anywhere as well as a Debian 5 installation that is 
done as a clean install, so making it apparently, too much trouble.


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Re: A kernel patch for Openvz

[Celejar]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:07:27 -0600
Aaron Siegel  wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I would like to compile a custom kernel with openvz support.  I will
> also be using the NVIDIA and lirc modules. I am using the
> debian.systs.org repositories, the /etc/apt/sources.list has the
> following entries;
> 
> deb http://download.openvz.org/debian-systs lenny contrib main
> non-free openvz deb-src http://download.openvz.org/debian-systs lenny
> contrib main non-free openvz
> 
> I have even tried the following in my sources.list
> deb http://debian.systs.org/ lenny main contrib non-free source openvz
> deb-src http://debian.systs.org/ lenny main contrib non-free openvz
> 
> I have not been able to install the kernel-patch-openvz.  Where can I
> find this patch?

The patch is in the standard repos (in Lenny and Sid); I see it in my
standard Sid system.

http://wiki.openvz.org/Compiling_the_OpenVZ_kernel_(the_Debian_way)

What, exactly, seems to be the problem?

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how to implementing megaupload or rapidshare in debian lenny

[3b4rc0]

Hi,
How to implementing a hosting and file sharing as megaupload or rapidshare
in debian lenny?
thanks
3b4rc0

A kernel patch for Openvz

[Aaron Siegel]

Hello

I would like to compile a custom kernel with openvz support.  I will also be 
using the NVIDIA and lirc modules. I am using the debian.systs.org 
repositories, the /etc/apt/sources.list has the following entries;

deb http://download.openvz.org/debian-systs lenny contrib main non-free openvz
deb-src http://download.openvz.org/debian-systs lenny contrib main non-free 
openvz

I have even tried the following in my sources.list
deb http://debian.systs.org/ lenny main contrib non-free source openvz
deb-src http://debian.systs.org/ lenny main contrib non-free openvz

I have not been able to install the kernel-patch-openvz.  Where can I find 
this patch?

Thank you
Aaron


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groups/help/form query

[Bhasker C V]

Hi all,

 To learn iptables means little self-help. I tried googling up
to find out if there is a form/group where I can take to iptables
related questions. I could not find one. Can someone please point
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Re: checking for multicast traffic

[Mag Gam]

How do I send multicast traffic? How do I receive it?




2009/9/16 Γιώργος Πάλλας :
> Mag Gam wrote:
>> How can I check if my adapter is sending and receiving multicast traffic?
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'd say install wireshark, capture the traffic and examine it...
>
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Where did nv.ko go?

[Arthur Barlow]

I believe that someone else wrote in about it this, but until I shutdown my
X server I didn't realize I had the problem.  I logged out, and when gdm
tried to reset I get a message saying that it cannont find the "nv" driver.
 I have a "GeForce4 MX 4000" card.  Thanks.

Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Jochen Schulz]

Emanoil Kotsev:
> 
> You are right, that I'm not targeting the same approach. Migration of data
> and services involves too much manual work. However I was thinking that
> after replacing the package sources in source.list you could force
> reinstall if every single package that has the status installed, pulling
> from amd64 should bring the packages to the 64 code. For sure there would
> be also some manual work to do, but less.
> 
> Do you think it's possible?

Don't you read the replies to your mails? There is no way to tell apt
which architecture to fetch packages for. Not in sources.list nor
anywhere else.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Jochen Schulz]

Emanoil Kotsev:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, groups created by a package are not removed, not even on purge (I
>> still have the 'Debian-exim' user and group, though I purged it and
>> replaced it with postfix). If that same package is reinstalled it will
>> reuse the user:group, this is why it should work.
> 
> I think it depends on the packager decision and effort - some packages
> remove the user some not.

No, these kinds of things are described in the Debian Policy. Any
(severe) deviation from it is a serious bug.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Jochen Schulz]

Alex Samad:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 04:11:17PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> 
>> This is only true for users with a UID < 100, as these are defined and
>> maintained by the base-passwd package.  System users with a higher UID
>> get their UID and GID allocated at package installation time and use the
>> first ones that are available.  So these vary greatly between systems.
-- snip
> by your logic if I purged apache and then reinstalled I would recieve a
> new uid/gid !

No, he doesn't say that. UIDs are determined on first install, if the
usernames do not exist already. If they do, they are kept unchanged.
And purging a package doesn't remove the username<->UID mappings, they
are always kept intact (since apt cannot tell for sure whether you still
have any files left with the respective owner).

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Re: nvidia problems after upgrade

[Charles Kroeger]

> It is? How do you do that?

Make sure you have installed:

nvidia-glx
nvidia-glx-dev

nvidia-kernel-source

compile the source with the following command:

#m-a -t clean,a-i nvidia-kernel-source

enjoy the show then:

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade

see what happens.

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Re: disabling the debian gui screensaver globally

[Celejar]

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:30:03 +1200
Steven Jones  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am running Debian machines under VMware ESX. I need to permanently
> disable the screensaver for all users as it chews CPUbut I still
> want the screen to lock after 10minsand go blank...
> 
> How please?

I have no idea, but please start a new thread for new questions, and
don't reply to an existing one.

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Re: what if `alsactl init' doesn't configure sound?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

> Two more pieces of information:
> debian-liv:/home/liviu# lspci | grep -i audio
> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
> 01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller
> 
> Also, I just downgraded alsa-utils to stable 1.0.16-2, and alsaconf
> reported that no PnP or PCI cards were found.
> Liviu
> 
> 

Downgrade is bad when you upgrade the kernel. Reverse!

alsaconf is not that reliable - it most probably does not recognize the ati
model and can not configure.

It got too late I have to go to bed, so I won't be "available" to guide you
further but you can google or read the documentation.

I would update to current level of alsa (libraries and utils). reboot is
good for alsa. But may be before reboot try to set a config file for your
card in modprobe.d as described in the other mail. I guess in 2.6.26 the
workaround you mentioned (alsactl -init) is just configuring the driver for
your ati chip or may be the chip itself. Putting configuration in a file
would configure all your sound cards the same way everytime. I recommend
this because I'm using usb camera, mic etc and if you plug them in
different order they occupy different sound slots which has the effect that
you have to change devices in apps. However this is changing now, but until
the metamorphosis is complete tell the system which card should be #0,1,2
etc.

I'm sure there is useful information you can find with google for your
specific card. Many things have changed (especially HDMI support) in recent
alsa, so I guess the issue is that now finally HDMI for you card is also
supported.

Of course it could be also a bug in the kernel code and then you should
downgrade the kernel and wait for fix.

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Re: what if `alsactl init' doesn't configure sound?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

> for 2.6.30:
> li...@debian-liv:~$ cat /proc/asound/devices
>   0: [ 0]   : control
>   1:: sequencer
>   4: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent   <--- different
>  16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
>  17: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback
>  24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
>  32: [ 1]   : control
>  33:: timer
>  36: [ 1- 0]: hardware dependent   <--- different
>  51: [ 1- 3]: digital audio playback
> 
> Liviu

Yes, you have a new device (I think this HDMI thing)

I don't have experience with ati sound chips. I have a machine with pretty
modern intel (with hdmi)

cat /proc/asound/devices
  2:: timer
...
  6: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
  7: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
  8: [ 0- 3]: hardware dependent
  9: [ 0- 2]: hardware dependent
 10: [ 0]   : control

cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
  HDA Intel at 0xff65 irq 22

Have a look at the chip model

cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | grep Codec
Codec: IDT 92HD73E1X5
Codec: Intel G45 DEVELK


Google about configuring this codec in my case (Codec: IDT 92HD73E1X5)

Also you can check the documentation in the kernel.

shell>>> :# /usr/src/linux$ less
Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt

Most probably you'll fit in this section

  Module snd-hda-intel
  

Module for Intel HD Audio (ICH6, ICH6M, ESB2, ICH7, ICH8, ICH9, ICH10,
PCH, SCH),
ATI SB450, SB600, R600, RS600, RS690, RS780, RV610, RV620,
RV630, RV635, RV670, RV770,
VIA VT8251/VT8237A,
SIS966, ULI M5461

I'll bet that your problems could be solved by loading the module with
proper options applied.

I'm usually adding a custom file called sound to my machine
in /etc/modprobe.d/
   /etc/modprobe.d/sound

where usually the problem is solved by telling the driver to use the
reference to the board and guess the best model (subset)

cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound
# ALSA portion
alias char-major-116 snd
alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel
alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio
   # module options should go here
#ex. options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=dell-m6,ref,auto
options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=ref
options snd-usb-audio index=1,2

hope it helps.

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Re: what if `alsactl init' doesn't configure sound?

[Liviu Andronic]

Two more pieces of information:
debian-liv:/home/liviu# lspci | grep -i audio
00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller

Also, I just downgraded alsa-utils to stable 1.0.16-2, and alsaconf
reported that no PnP or PCI cards were found.
Liviu


On 9/17/09, Liviu Andronic  wrote:
> There is one difference, though. The above is for 2.6.26. The below is
>  for 2.6.30:
>
> li...@debian-liv:~$ cat /proc/asound/devices
>   0: [ 0]   : control
>   1:: sequencer
>
>   4: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent   <--- different
>
>  16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
>   17: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback
>   24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
>   32: [ 1]   : control
>   33:: timer
>
>  36: [ 1- 0]: hardware dependent   <--- different
>
>  51: [ 1- 3]: digital audio playback
>
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> Liviu
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Re: what if `alsactl init' doesn't configure sound?

[Liviu Andronic]

On 9/17/09, Liviu Andronic  wrote:
> I get this output in both kernels.
> li...@debian-liv:~$ cat /proc/asound/devices
>   0: [ 0]   : control
>   1:: sequencer
>  16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
>   17: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback
>  24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
>  32: [ 1]   : control
>  33:: timer
>  51: [ 1- 3]: digital audio playback
>
There is one difference, though. The above is for 2.6.26. The below is
for 2.6.30:
li...@debian-liv:~$ cat /proc/asound/devices
  0: [ 0]   : control
  1:: sequencer
  4: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent   <--- different
 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
 17: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback
 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
 32: [ 1]   : control
 33:: timer
 36: [ 1- 0]: hardware dependent   <--- different
 51: [ 1- 3]: digital audio playback

Liviu


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Re: what if `alsactl init' doesn't configure sound?

[Liviu Andronic]

Hello

On 9/16/09, Emanoil Kotsev  wrote:
> Check if modules are in place and check /proc/asound
>
>  cat /proc/asound/devices
>  cat /proc/asound/cards
>
I get this output in both kernels.
li...@debian-liv:~$ cat /proc/asound/devices
  0: [ 0]   : control
  1:: sequencer
16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
17: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback
24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
32: [ 1]   : control
33:: timer
51: [ 1- 3]: digital audio playback
li...@debian-liv:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
  HDA ATI SB at 0xd240 irq 16
1 [HDMI   ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
  HDA ATI HDMI at 0xd231 irq 19

These are the modules in the kernel with working sound:
li...@debian-liv:~$ uname -a
Linux debian-liv 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 22:33:18 UTC 2009 x86_64
GNU/Linux
li...@debian-liv:~$ lsmod | grep -i snd
snd_hda_intel 436696  9
snd_pcm_oss41760  0
snd_mixer_oss  18816  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm81800  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_dummy   7428  0
snd_seq_oss33152  0
snd_seq_midi   11072  0
snd_rawmidi26784  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 11904  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq54304  6
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer  25744  3 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 11668  5
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
snd63688  23
snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
soundcore  12064  2 snd
snd_page_alloc 13072  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm


These are the modules in the kernel where sound does not function:
li...@debian-liv:~$ uname  -a
Linux debian-liv 2.6.30-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 18:09:19 UTC 2009 x86_64
GNU/Linux
li...@debian-liv:~$ lsmod | grep -i snd
snd_hda_codec_atihdmi 3952  1
snd_hda_codec_idt  62480  1
snd_hda_intel  26680  6
snd_hda_codec  75248  3
snd_hda_codec_atihdmi,snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep   8152  1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm_oss37200  0
snd_mixer_oss  15072  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm78504  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_midi6976  0
snd_rawmidi23008  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event  7712  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq51392  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer  21824  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device  7476  3 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
snd63912  21
snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
soundcore   7984  2 snd

snd_page_alloc 1  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm

Please advise.
Liviu

Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:

> 
> OK, thanks for confirming, so I could cheat the installer by copying over
> the passwd and group files after partitioning is done and go on with the
> system install. Then apply set-selection and after this migrate the config
> and data files from the old system. Correct?
> 
> this looks to be a compact way to do the job. The only thing that should
> be migrated in this case are databases, Correct?
> 
> How can the above be applied to debootstrap - it's my favorite one for
> installing new systems. I'm testing this now and will report if it works.
> The start was promissing
> 

It's working!

shell>>> :/tmp# mkdir testdeb
shell>>> :/tmp# mkdir testdeb/etc
shell>>> :/tmp# cp /etc/passwd* testdeb/etc/
shell>>> :/tmp# cp /etc/group* testdeb/etc/
shell>>> :/tmp# debootstrap --verbose lenny testdeb/
I: Retrieving Release
I: Retrieving Packages
I: Validating Packages
I: Resolving dependencies of required packages...
I: Resolving dependencies of base packages...
I: Checking component main on http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian...
I: Retrieving adduser
I: Validating adduser
I: Retrieving apt
I: Validating apt
...
I: Retrieving zlib1g
I: Validating zlib1g
I: Extracting base-files...
I: Extracting base-passwd...
I: Extracting bash...
...
I: Extracting zlib1g...
I: Installing core packages...
I: Unpacking required packages...
I: Unpacking base-files...
I: Unpacking base-passwd...
I: Unpacking bash...
I: Base system installed successfully.
shell>>> :/tmp# chroot testdeb/ sh -
shell>>> :/# apt-get install exim4
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  bsd-mailx exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light liblockfile1 libpcre3
mailx perl perl-modules psmisc
Suggested packages:
  mail-reader eximon4 exim4-doc-html exim4-doc-info gnutls-bin openssl file
libmail-spf-query-perl swaks perl-doc
  libterm-readline-gnu-perl libterm-readline-perl-perl
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  bsd-mailx exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light liblockfile1
libpcre3 mailx perl perl-modules psmisc
0 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 9993kB of archives.
After this operation, 33.8MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main liblockfile1 1.08-3 [18.6kB]
Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main exim4-config 4.69-9 [350kB]
Get:3 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main exim4-base 4.69-9 [987kB]
Get:4 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main libpcre3 7.6-2.1 [211kB]
Get:5 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main exim4-daemon-light 4.69-9 [422kB]
Get:6 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main exim4 4.69-9 [7478B]
Get:7 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main bsd-mailx 8.1.2-0.20071201cvs-3
[157kB]
Get:8 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main perl-modules 5.10.0-19lenny2
[3198kB]
Get:9 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main perl 5.10.0-19lenny2 [4549kB]
Get:10 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main psmisc 22.6-1 [84.7kB]
Get:11 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main mailx 1:20071201-3 [8260B]
Fetched 9993kB in 32s (311kB/s)
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
...
Preconfiguring packages ...
Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
Selecting previously deselected package liblockfile1.
(Reading database ... 7941 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking liblockfile1 (from .../liblockfile1_1.08-3_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package exim4-config.
Unpacking exim4-config (from .../exim4-config_4.69-9_all.deb) ...
...
Setting up liblockfile1 (1.08-3) ...
Setting up exim4-config (4.69-9) ...
...
shell>>> :/# cat /etc/passwd | grep exim4
Debian-exim:x:102:108::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false

shell>>> :/# exit

The Exim ID is the same as expected, so migration of exim related files will
cause no pain. The same for common user files.

What about database files. Is there something related to 64bit (I could
expect) that would suggest export / import or backup / restore?

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Alex Samad wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:17:26AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
>> 
>> > Kept thinking a bit longer: are the uids and gids of daemon users
>> > actually determined during install? My experience is that these
>> > users actually preserve their uid over installations quite well.
>> 
>>   nope.  for example, on the old system, openldap account has a UID of
>> 114.  on new system, 105.  numerous other daemon UID differences as
>> well.  so a straight copy isn't going to work here.  this just gets
>> trickier and trickier.
> 
> if you have coped over the passwd/group/shadow file they should align
> up, package should check to see if the uid/gid exists before creating
> new ones.  the only time this doesn't happen is when you do a new
> install and the first packages are installed - you can't get the
> passwd/group files over before then (maybe that should be a bugreport!)
> 
> any way I use this little script to check and modify GID - it creates a
> bunch of shell commands to execute
> 

OK, thanks for confirming, so I could cheat the installer by copying over
the passwd and group files after partitioning is done and go on with the
system install. Then apply set-selection and after this migrate the config
and data files from the old system. Correct?

this looks to be a compact way to do the job. The only thing that should be
migrated in this case are databases, Correct?

How can the above be applied to debootstrap - it's my favorite one for
installing new systems. I'm testing this now and will report if it works.
The start was promissing

regards

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Alex Samad]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:17:26AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> 
> > Kept thinking a bit longer: are the uids and gids of daemon users
> > actually determined during install? My experience is that these
> > users actually preserve their uid over installations quite well.
> 
>   nope.  for example, on the old system, openldap account has a UID of
> 114.  on new system, 105.  numerous other daemon UID differences as
> well.  so a straight copy isn't going to work here.  this just gets
> trickier and trickier.

if you have coped over the passwd/group/shadow file they should align
up, package should check to see if the uid/gid exists before creating
new ones.  the only time this doesn't happen is when you do a new
install and the first packages are installed - you can't get the
passwd/group files over before then (maybe that should be a bugreport!)

any way I use this little script to check and modify GID - it creates a
bunch of shell commands to execute

changeGID.sh
#!/bin/dash

if test -z "$1" || test -z "$2"
then
echo "usage:"
echo "\tchangeGID.sh oldGroupId newGroupId"
exit 1
fi

OLDGID="$1"
NEWGID="$2"
WRKFILE=${WRKFILE:-'/tmp/wrkfile'}
GIDN="$(cut -d : -f -3 /etc/group | grep -e ":${OLDGID}\$" | cut -d : -f -1)"


if test -z "$GIDN"
then
echo "Unable to find groupid for $OLDGID"
exit 1
fi


echo "Workfile is at $WRKFILE"
echo "==="

echo "About to change gid $OLDGID to $NEWGID"
echo "==="
echo "# made $(date -R)"> $WRKFILE
echo "# Changing $OLDGID to $NEWGID">> $WRKFILE
echo "# Group: $GIDN">> $WRKFILE
echo >> $WRKFILE

echo "Update /etc/group"
echo "# update /etc/group file">> $WRKFILE
echo 'perl -i.bak-'$GIDN'-'$OLDGID'-'$NEWGID' -pe 
"s/^'$GIDN':([^:]*):'$OLDGID':/'$GIDN':\\1:'$NEWGID':/" /etc/group' >> $WRKFILE
echo >> $WRKFILE

echo "Update /etc/passwd"
echo "# update /etc/passwd file">> $WRKFILE
echo 'perl -i.bak-'$GIDN'-'$OLDGID'-'$NEWGID' -pe 
"s/^([^:]*):([^:]*):([^:]*):'$OLDGID':/\\1:\\2:\\3:'$NEWGID':/" /etc/passwd' >> 
$WRKFILE
echo >> $WRKFILE

echo "Finding Files to change"
echo "# files that need to change owner">> $WRKFILE
echo "# ignores /exports & /home">> $WRKFILE
find / \( -type d  -iregex "^\(/home\|/exports\|/proc\)" -prune  \) -o \( -gid 
$OLDGID -printf "chgrp $NEWGID %p\n" \) >> $WRKFILE
echo >> $WRKFILE

echo "finished with $WRKFILE"

i usually run it like ./changeGID.sh 101 102 > /tmp/doit.sh 

then check doit.sh and then run it sh /tmp/doit.sh


here is the uid one

#!/bin/dash

if test -z "$1" || test -z "$2"
then
echo "usage:"
echo "\tchangeUID.sh oldUserId newUserId"
exit 1
fi

OLDUID="$1"
NEWUID="$2"
WRKFILE=${WRKFILE:-'/tmp/wrkfile'}
UIDN="$(cut -d : -f -3 /etc/passwd | grep -e ":${OLDUID}\$" | cut -d : -f -1)"


if test -z "$UIDN"
then
echo "Unable to find userid for $OLDUID"
exit 1
fi


echo "Workfile is at $WRKFILE"
echo "==="

echo "About to change uid $OLDUID to $NEWUID"
echo "==="
echo "# made $(date -R)"> $WRKFILE
echo "# Changing $OLDUID to $NEWUID">> $WRKFILE
echo "# User: $UIDN">> $WRKFILE
echo >> $WRKFILE

echo "Update /etc/passwd"
echo "# update /etc/passwd file">> $WRKFILE
echo 'perl -i.bak-'$UIDN'-'$OLDUID'-'$NEWUID' -pe 
"s/^'$UIDN':([^:]*):'$OLDUID':/'$UIDN':\\1:'$NEWUID':/" /etc/passwd' >> $WRKFILE
echo >> $WRKFILE

echo "Finding Files to change"
echo "# files that need to change owner">> $WRKFILE
echo "# ignores /exports & /home">> $WRKFILE
find / \( -type d  -iregex "^\(/home\|/exports\|/proc\)" -prune  \) -o \( -uid 
$OLDUID -printf "chown $NEWUID %p\n" \) >> $WRKFILE
echo >> $WRKFILE

echo "finished with $WRKFILE"


similar principle

Alex

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Alex Samad]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 04:11:17PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2009-09-16 15:57 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> 
> > Kept thinking a bit longer: are the uids and gids of daemon users
> > actually determined during install? My experience is that these users
> > actually preserve their uid over installations quite well.
> 
> This is only true for users with a UID < 100, as these are defined and
> maintained by the base-passwd package.  System users with a higher UID
> get their UID and GID allocated at package installation time and use the
> first ones that are available.  So these vary greatly between systems.

strange I use ldap for my userid/passwdb and when I build a  new
machine, I install a based debian, install my slapd packages which
integrate into pam/nss and then at the beggining I do a uid/gid check to
sync up uid/gid - usually only 1 or 2 changes like sshd <=> exim

but after that I can install all my other packages like apache and they
check first to see if the userid exist before creating any new ones, so
I have consistant uid/gid across all my machines.

so if the op is copying over his /etc/{passwd,groups,shadow} files and
then starts to install packages that should be fine

by your logic if I purged apache and then reinstalled I would recieve a
new uid/gid !

> 
> Sven
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Re: what if `alsactl init' doesn't configure sound?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

> Dear all
> I've just migrated from kernel 2.6.26 to 2.6.30, and I am unable to
> configure sound. The issue seems similar to the one I had initially in
> 2.6.26, but in the newest testing kernel `alasactl init' no longer
> solves the issue. The switches Master and PCM are not muted. What else
> could I try?
> Thank you
> Liviu
> 

Check if modules are in place and check /proc/asound

cat /proc/asound/devices
cat /proc/asound/cards

what's the sound card and what's the board model

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disabling the debian gui screensaver globally

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I am running Debian machines under VMware ESX. I need to permanently disable 
the screensaver for all users as it chews CPUbut I still want the screen to 
lock after 10minsand go blank...

How please?

regards

Steven

Re: install problem

[Till Wimmer]

Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

This is really an embarrassing question for an old Debian hand to
ask, but how do I install Debian?

I just bought a "netbook" which has no CDROM drive, but which can
boot from a USB stick. I could dd an Ubuntu image to the stick and
then boot from it. But I prefer just plain old Debian.

I found (through the Debian home page) an image called
debian-503-i386-netinst.iso. I dd'd it to the stick. But the
netbook does not boot from it.

There must be something very elementary which I did wrong. But what?

Regards, Jan




Here are the instructions you will need: 
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en

"There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) as well as 
syslinux and its configuration file.


To use this image simply extract it directly to your USB stick:

# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX

After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian 
netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done. "


regards
TW


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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>> bit. What you seem to be suggesting is different -- namely a
>> migration from 32 to 64 bit in place.
> 
> exactly.  using dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections, i did a
> virgin install on the new 64-bit system to duplicate the packages on
> the old system, now i'm just methodically copying over
> arch-independent data and config files.  what you're asking is quite a
> different question.

You are right, that I'm not targeting the same approach. Migration of data
and services involves too much manual work. However I was thinking that
after replacing the package sources in source.list you could force
reinstall if every single package that has the status installed, pulling
from amd64 should bring the packages to the 64 code. For sure there would
be also some manual work to do, but less.

Do you think it's possible?

What I didn't think is that specific files like database files are probably
also using 32bit format.

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what if `alsactl init' doesn't configure sound?

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear all
I've just migrated from kernel 2.6.26 to 2.6.30, and I am unable to
configure sound. The issue seems similar to the one I had initially in
2.6.26, but in the newest testing kernel `alasactl init' no longer
solves the issue. The switches Master and PCM are not muted. What else
could I try?
Thank you
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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Wed,16.Sep.09, 13:24:12, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>> 
>>   if i read this correctly, you're suggesting that if the "server"
>> packages already have entries (100-999) in the passwd/group/shadow
>> files (carried over from the old system), they'll keep the same UID?
>> yes, that would be convenient if it's true.
> 
> Yes, groups created by a package are not removed, not even on purge (I
> still have the 'Debian-exim' user and group, though I purged it and
> replaced it with postfix). If that same package is reinstalled it will
> reuse the user:group, this is why it should work.
> 

I think it depends on the packager decision and effort - some packages
remove the user some not.

but thanks I didn't know that I can use parts of older system and reinstall
new one - if this is what is described here and I'm understanding it
correct.

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Re: * Solved * Lenny RAID+LVM Lilo/Grub Error

[Martin Kraus]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:14:31PM -0300, Carlos Bergero wrote:
> Like some ppl say I was intstalling RAID 10 over the 4 sata2 discs,
> though I've seen a sever running with one RAID 10 a no /boot
> external partition, I couldnt figured out how that was done, and
> everyone says Grub doesnt do RAID 10 without external boot.
> So I'm creating a small /boot parition and 100Mb and build it in
> RAID 1 in the 4 discs, and see what happends.

grub-pc from sid should work with raid10. there's been a post about this about
two weeks ago and from what I gathered it works just fine.
mk


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Re: nvidia problems after upgrade

[Wayne Topa]

marc wrote:

Kevin Ross wrote:


From: Christopher Judd [mailto:j...@wadsworth.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:02 PM

Hi,

 After some recent upgrades, I can no longer start the xserver
using
the nvidia driver.  I get the following errors:




-Chris
Rebuilding and reinstalling the nvidia driver is almost always required 
after kernel or OpenGL library upgrades.


It is? How do you do that?



Another 'I can't be bothered to ask Google' user.



Would be a start.


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Re: Where did ctrl-alt-F1 go?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 20:30:54 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:08:22 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> 
> > On Mon,14.Sep.09, 03:07:04, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >> I just downloaded and burned a new Debian testing netinstall CD last
> >> week, and used it to install testing.
> >> 
> >> Everything went well, but after installation, when I tried using
> >> ctrl-alt- F1 to switch to a virual console, nothing happened.
> >> 
> >> How do I go about getting such a console?  I can get a root command
> >> window, but if I end up upgrading X sometime, that doesn't seem the
> >> best place to be controlling the upgrade from.
> > 
> > Does 'chvt' work?
> 
> Nope: 
> 
> hend...@ninja:~$ chvt 1
> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
> hend...@ninja:~$ chvt 2
> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
> hend...@ninja:~$ 

Try it again as root.

Also, check if you see the Switch_VT_* symbols configured if you run
this:

xmodmap -pke | grep VT

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Re: Where did ctrl-alt-F1 go?

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:27:24 -0400, Paul Gallaway wrote:

>> I find myself wondering if there's some setting (about the availability
>> of ctrl-alt-F1) that has a different default value, and I have to find
>> it and change it.
> You didn't say but did you try another TTY? ctrl+alt+F2 through F4
> (maybe up to F6?).

Did that. None of the ctrl-alt-f* keys worked.  Not with the right or the 
left alt keys.  But then. neither did chvt (see my other recent post in 
this thread)

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Why CPU 87% when copying to ntfs drive

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Does someone has any idea why this is happening

9126 root  20  0  4636 1072  660 S   87  0.1   5:39.53 mount.ntfs-3g

I'm using custom 2.6.31 kernel and lenny in kde. Kernel is optimized for
desktop PREEMPT and fast responses

I'm trying to copy files from nfs mount to locally attached usb drive that
has ntfs partition. The same thing is not happening if formated as ext3

thanks in advance 

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Re: Where did ctrl-alt-F1 go?

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:08:22 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Mon,14.Sep.09, 03:07:04, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>> I just downloaded and burned a new Debian testing netinstall CD last
>> week, and used it to install testing.
>> 
>> Everything went well, but after installation, when I tried using
>> ctrl-alt- F1 to switch to a virual console, nothing happened.
>> 
>> How do I go about getting such a console?  I can get a root command
>> window, but if I end up upgrading X sometime, that doesn't seem the
>> best place to be controlling the upgrade from.
> 
> Does 'chvt' work?
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

Nope: 

hend...@ninja:~$ chvt 1
Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
hend...@ninja:~$ chvt 2
Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
hend...@ninja:~$ 

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RE: nvidia problems after upgrade

[marc]

Kevin Ross wrote:

>> From: Christopher Judd [mailto:j...@wadsworth.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:02 PM
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  After some recent upgrades, I can no longer start the xserver
>> using
>> the nvidia driver.  I get the following errors:
>> 
>> (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
>> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
>> (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
>> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
>> (EE) No drivers available.
>> 
>> The module is present, however:
>> 
>> $~ ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/nvidia
>> 
>> total 10124
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10350518 2009-09-14 13:03 nvidia.ko
>> 
>> Any ideas what has happened?  Thanks.
>> 
>> -Chris
>
> Rebuilding and reinstalling the nvidia driver is almost always required 
> after kernel or OpenGL library upgrades.

It is? How do you do that?

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* Solved * Lenny RAID+LVM Lilo/Grub Error

[Carlos Bergero]

Like some ppl say I was intstalling RAID 10 over the 4 sata2 discs, 
though I've seen a sever running with one RAID 10 a no /boot external 
partition, I couldnt figured out how that was done, and everyone says 
Grub doesnt do RAID 10 without external boot.
So I'm creating a small /boot parition and 100Mb and build it in RAID 1 
in the 4 discs, and see what happends.


Thx for the help.

 Carlos
##
#   ORIGINAL POST#
##

Hey ppl:
   I'm currently trying to install Lenny AMD64 502a in a
Intel Xeon Q8200 8Gb Ram, with 4 Sata2 500Gb Discs. Problem is that
after finishing partitioning and installing the Harware, Lilo or Grub
wont install, Lilo Reports Error Code '1' which makes no sence since its
an error related by the bios accessing the disk which shuld be /dev/md0.
   I dont have much expirience with RAID so not shure whats
wrong here, any lead would be great.

   Sincerely
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RE: nvidia problems after upgrade

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Christopher Judd [mailto:j...@wadsworth.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:02 PM
> 
> Hi,
> 
>  After some recent upgrades, I can no longer start the xserver
> using
> the nvidia driver.  I get the following errors:
> 
> (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
> (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) No drivers available.
> 
> The module is present, however:
> 
> $~ ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/nvidia
> 
> total 10124
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10350518 2009-09-14 13:03 nvidia.ko
> 
> Any ideas what has happened?  Thanks.
> 
> -Chris

Rebuilding and reinstalling the nvidia driver is almost always required 
after kernel or OpenGL library upgrades.


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Re: nvidia problems after upgrade

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 15:01:57 -0400, Christopher Judd wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  After some recent upgrades, I can no longer start the xserver using 
> the nvidia driver.  I get the following errors:
> 
> (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
> (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) No drivers available.
> 
> The module is present, however:
> 
> $~ ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/nvidia
> 
> total 10124
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10350518 2009-09-14 13:03 nvidia.ko

The Xorg error messages are about the Xorg nvidia module, which should
be at /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so.

> Any ideas what has happened?  Thanks.

The most likely scenario is that you accidentally removed the nvidia-glx
package from your system.

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Re: install problem

[Lee Winter]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Jan Willem Stumpel  wrote:
> This is really an embarrassing question for an old Debian hand to
> ask, but how do I install Debian?
>
> I just bought a "netbook" which has no CDROM drive, but which can
> boot from a USB stick. I could dd an Ubuntu image to the stick and
> then boot from it. But I prefer just plain old Debian.
>
> I found (through the Debian home page) an image called
> debian-503-i386-netinst.iso. I dd'd it to the stick. But the
> netbook does not boot from it.
>
> There must be something very elementary which I did wrong. But what?

What you are looking for is labeled "hd-media".  It doesn't mean high
density media (floppies).  It means USB.

Good luck,

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Wed,16.Sep.09, 13:24:12, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >
> >   if i read this correctly, you're suggesting that if the "server"
> > packages already have entries (100-999) in the passwd/group/shadow
> > files (carried over from the old system), they'll keep the same
> > UID? yes, that would be convenient if it's true.
>
> Yes, groups created by a package are not removed, not even on purge
> (I still have the 'Debian-exim' user and group, though I purged it
> and replaced it with postfix). If that same package is reinstalled
> it will reuse the user:group, this is why it should work.

  thanks, that's useful to know for next time.

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Re: install problem

[Michael Wagner]

* Jan Willem Stumpel  16.09.2009
 
> I just bought a "netbook" which has no CDROM drive, but which can
> boot from a USB stick. I could dd an Ubuntu image to the stick and
> then boot from it. But I prefer just plain old Debian.
> 
> I found (through the Debian home page) an image called
> debian-503-i386-netinst.iso. I dd'd it to the stick. But the
> netbook does not boot from it.
> 
> There must be something very elementary which I did wrong. But what?

Hello Jan,

look for example here:

http://d-i.pascal.at/

It's for sarge, but the steps and the files you need are the same.

You can find also useful information at http://wiki.debian.org/

Hth Michael

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Re: nvidia problems after upgrade

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:01:57 -0400
Christopher Judd  wrote:

Hello Christopher,

> Any ideas what has happened?  Thanks.

Did this involve a kernel upgrade?  Seems like classic kernel/driver
mismatch to my less than expert eye.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,16.Sep.09, 13:24:12, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> 
>   if i read this correctly, you're suggesting that if the "server"
> packages already have entries (100-999) in the passwd/group/shadow
> files (carried over from the old system), they'll keep the same UID?
> yes, that would be convenient if it's true.

Yes, groups created by a package are not removed, not even on purge (I 
still have the 'Debian-exim' user and group, though I purged it and 
replaced it with postfix). If that same package is reinstalled it will 
reuse the user:group, this is why it should work.

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Re: install problem

[Preston Boyington]

Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> This is really an embarrassing question for an old Debian hand to
> ask, but how do I install Debian?
> 
> I just bought a "netbook" which has no CDROM drive, but which can
> boot from a USB stick. I could dd an Ubuntu image to the stick and
> then boot from it. But I prefer just plain old Debian.
> 
> I found (through the Debian home page) an image called
> debian-503-i386-netinst.iso. I dd'd it to the stick. But the
> netbook does not boot from it.
> 
> There must be something very elementary which I did wrong. But what?
> 

honestly, since I started using UNetbootin I haven't looked back.

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Re: install problem

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Qua, 16 Set 2009, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

This is really an embarrassing question for an old Debian hand to
ask, but how do I install Debian?

I just bought a "netbook" which has no CDROM drive, but which can
boot from a USB stick. I could dd an Ubuntu image to the stick and
then boot from it. But I prefer just plain old Debian.

I found (through the Debian home page) an image called
debian-503-i386-netinst.iso. I dd'd it to the stick. But the
netbook does not boot from it.

There must be something very elementary which I did wrong. But what?


Maybe you didn't read the manual:  
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s04.html.en#id2705174




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Re: [OT?] "5.7.1 relay access denied, please check the message recipient and try again."

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> I'm no postfix expert, but I think there have been some new sasl
> related packages lately, and just because saslauthd is running
> doesn't mean it's been restarted since new packages may have been
> installed. I would look to restart that and try again. Clearly,
> users are not authenticating with the server and it is thus,
> rightly, denying relay.

  trust me ... been there, done that.  reloading or restarting a
system service is one of the first things i try.

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install problem

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

This is really an embarrassing question for an old Debian hand to
ask, but how do I install Debian?

I just bought a "netbook" which has no CDROM drive, but which can
boot from a USB stick. I could dd an Ubuntu image to the stick and
then boot from it. But I prefer just plain old Debian.

I found (through the Debian home page) an image called
debian-503-i386-netinst.iso. I dd'd it to the stick. But the
netbook does not boot from it.

There must be something very elementary which I did wrong. But what?

Regards, Jan


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nvidia problems after upgrade

[Christopher Judd]

Hi,

 After some recent upgrades, I can no longer start the xserver using 
the nvidia driver.  I get the following errors:

(II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
(II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) No drivers available.

The module is present, however:

$~ ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/nvidia

total 10124
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10350518 2009-09-14 13:03 nvidia.ko

Any ideas what has happened?  Thanks.

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RE: [OT?] "5.7.1 relay access denied, please check the message recipient and try again."

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:rpj...@crashcourse.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:43 AM
> 
> Sep 15 23:12:38 main postfix/smtpd[20633]: warning: SASL
> authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such
> file or directory
> Sep 15 23:12:38 main postfix/smtpd[20633]: warning: SASL
> authentication failure: Password verification failed
> Sep 15 23:12:38 main postfix/smtpd[20633]: warning:
> unknown[24.114.232.37]: SASL PLAIN authentication failed: generic
> failure

By default, postfix runs in a chroot under /var/spool/postfix.  The 
path that is defined in smtpd_sasl_path in main.cf is relative to that 
path.  So make sure your SASL server is creating the socket file in the
correct place.

For example, in my /etc/postfix/main.cf, I have:

smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth

And in my Dovecot configuration, I have:

path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth

The file is created by the SASL daemon when its running, and removed when
it isn't running.

Hope this helps!
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Re: [OT?] "5.7.1 relay access denied, please check the message recipient and try again."

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:43:07PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
[...]
> Sep 15 23:12:38 main postfix/smtpd[20633]: warning: SASL
> authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such
> file or directory
> Sep 15 23:12:38 main postfix/smtpd[20633]: warning: SASL
> authentication failure: Password verification failed
> Sep 15 23:12:38 main postfix/smtpd[20633]: warning:
> unknown[24.114.232.37]: SASL PLAIN authentication failed: generic
> failure
> 
> but i've verified that saslauthd is running.  so ... is there
> something trivially obvious that would have changed on the server side
> that could cause this?  i'll take everyone's word here that they
> haven't messed with their t-bird settings, so i'm looking at what on
> the server might have been tweaked.  thanks.

I'm no postfix expert, but I think there have been some new sasl
related packages lately, and just because saslauthd is running doesn't
mean it's been restarted since new packages may have been installed. I
would look to restart that and try again. Clearly, users are not
authenticating with the server and it is thus, rightly, denying
relay. 

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[Robert P. J. Day]

  ok, if i can impose on the list yet again (for something that
doesn't appear to be something *i* did for a change), a fully-updated
lenny mail server suddenly started to generate the above error when
its corporate users try to send email from home through that mail
server.

  i've been assured that that was working for a long, long time and
only went south just over a week ago.  and since i've also been
assured that it affected everyone simultaneously, i'm concluding that
it's a server issue.

  the system is using postfix and, to the best of my knowledge, *i*
wasn't messing with the mail system when it broke so i'm guessing
someone else was doing some configuration.  i've found a number of web
pages referring to that error and i'm perusing them right now, but if
anyone has any hints, i'm listening.

  a couple more things.  i have a backup copy of the entire /etc
directory from before the breakage so i can quickly diff any relevant
files (/etc/postfix/main.cf appears to be unchanged).  also, any
attempts to try to email from outside the internal network *appears*
to coincide with the following messages in /var/log/mail.warn:

Sep 15 23:12:38 main postfix/smtpd[20633]: warning: SASL
authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such
file or directory
Sep 15 23:12:38 main postfix/smtpd[20633]: warning: SASL
authentication failure: Password verification failed
Sep 15 23:12:38 main postfix/smtpd[20633]: warning:
unknown[24.114.232.37]: SASL PLAIN authentication failed: generic
failure

but i've verified that saslauthd is running.  so ... is there
something trivially obvious that would have changed on the server side
that could cause this?  i'll take everyone's word here that they
haven't messed with their t-bird settings, so i'm looking at what on
the server might have been tweaked.  thanks.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 07:16:32PM +0200, Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> > Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed,16.Sep.09, 07:21:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > >>
> > >>   i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i
> > >> want to move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install
> > >> from an old 32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm
> > >> open to advice on the easiest and most error-free way to do
> > >> that.
> > >
> > > Hello Robert,
> > >
> > > I see you already have the new system installed. Not very
> > > helpful for now, but for your next migration it might be easier
> > > if you first copy over passwd, group, shadow...  and then
> > > install the server packages (the ones that create users in the
> > > 101-999 range). This way you would be able to copy most (all?)
> > > data files over without worrying about UID mismatch.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andrei
> >
> >
> > Hi, this is a question I was going to ask in few weeks as I
> > planned to learn how I can migrate from 32 to 64 bit debian
> > distro.
> >
>
> well, the OP here is really trying to migrate data and services from
> one machine to another and coincidentally, the new machine is 64
> bit. What you seem to be suggesting is different -- namely a
> migration from 32 to 64 bit in place.

  exactly.  using dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections, i did a
virgin install on the new 64-bit system to duplicate the packages on
the old system, now i'm just methodically copying over
arch-independent data and config files.  what you're asking is quite a
different question.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 07:16:32PM +0200, Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> 
> > On Wed,16.Sep.09, 07:21:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >> 
> >>   i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i want to
> >> move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install from an old
> >> 32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm open to advice on
> >> the easiest and most error-free way to do that.
> > 
> > Hello Robert,
> > 
> > I see you already have the new system installed. Not very helpful for
> > now, but for your next migration it might be easier if you first copy
> > over passwd, group, shadow...  and then install the server packages (the
> > ones that create users in the 101-999 range). This way you would be able
> > to copy most (all?) data files over without worrying about UID mismatch.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Andrei
> 
> 
> Hi, this is a question I was going to ask in few weeks as I planned to learn
> how I can migrate from 32 to 64 bit debian distro.
> 

well, the OP here is really trying to migrate data and services from
one machine to another and coincidentally, the new machine is 64
bit. What you seem to be suggesting is different -- namely a migration
from 32 to 64 bit in place.

> It looks like it's not possible to just upgrade i.e. replacing the sources
> in apt/source.list?

I believe that is correct. It is almost certainly not supported. That
said, I have done it, as an exercise. The work involved is definitely
greater than would be involved in just reinstalling.

> 
> Is it really that hard to switch from 32 to 64?

yes. you have to replace 32 bit binaries with 64 bit binaries on a
running system. That's not easy.

> 
> Is it not possible to replace the sources and i.e. dpkg --reinstall install
> ?

partially sure, but it's more involved than that. Truly the easiest
solution is to do 

dpkg --get-selections > /some/safe/file/location/my_selections

reinstall the system with the 64 bit installer, preserving /home and
perhaps a few other places and then:

dpkg --set-selections < my_selections

and 

aptitude upgrade or whatever.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Wednesday 16 September 2009 12:16:32 Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Wed,16.Sep.09, 07:21:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >>   i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i want to
> >> move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install from an old
> >> 32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm open to advice on
> >> the easiest and most error-free way to do that.
>
> Hi, this is a question I was going to ask in few weeks as I planned to
> learn how I can migrate from 32 to 64 bit debian distro.

There is no official migration path.  Reinstall.

> It looks like it's not possible to just upgrade i.e. replacing the sources
> in apt/source.list?

Modern sources.list files do not have the architecture listed.  Apt pulls this 
information from dpkg.  Modifying your dpkg architecture is not supported.

> Is it really that hard to switch from 32 to 64?

Smoothly, yes.  Especially since current (Lenny) versions of the apt tools 
don't support multi-arch installations.  If multi-arch was in place it might 
be feasible, but still very difficult since there should be times during the 
switch that essential packages were missing, not configured, or otherwise non-
functional.

> Is it not possible to replace the sources and i.e. dpkg --reinstall install
> ?

That could work for most packages, but the essential ones might bite you and 
leave you with a non-functional system.

Most applications don't gain a whole lot by running in 64-bit mode.  Using a 
64-bit kernel with a 32-bit installation is supported and may be acceptable 
until multi-arch provides an upgrade path OR you can take the time to re-
install.
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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Jochen Schulz]

Emanoil Kotsev:
> 
> 
> Hi, this is a question I was going to ask in few weeks as I planned to learn
> how I can migrate from 32 to 64 bit debian distro.
> 
> It looks like it's not possible to just upgrade i.e. replacing the sources
> in apt/source.list?

You can try finding all occurences of i386 and replacing them with amd64
in your sources.list. But I doubt you will find any. ;-) To be serious:
apt determines the architecture for which to fetch packages by itself.
AFAIK, you cannot instruct it to use a different architecture.

> Is it really that hard to switch from 32 to 64?

Unfortunately, yes. Maybe this will change when MultiArch is finally
implemented, but I am not too optimistic that this will happen in the
near future.

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X server hangs in Debian squeeze after upgrade

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Hi, yerterday i did an upgrade of my debian squeeze, some packages of KDE4 and 
Xorg were upgraded. Since then my X server restarts when i move a window, 
visit a web or sometime when i move the mouse.

The log says:

Backtrace:
0: /usr/bin/X(xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x81314bb]
1: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x51) [0x80c1c61]
2: [0xe420]
3: [0xe420]
4: /usr/bin/X(WriteToClient+0x128) [0x8133b58]
5: /usr/bin/X(ProcGetImage+0x5bf) [0x808a6ef]
6: /usr/bin/X(Dispatch+0x33f) [0x808c79f]
7: /usr/bin/X(main+0x3aa) [0x8071ada]
8: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5) [0xb7be67a5]
9: /usr/bin/X [0x8070fa1]

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11.  Server aborting

i have a nvidia  en7600gs video card. Also i tryed to upgrade nvidia driver 
but the problem continues


version of packages:
ii  xserver-common   2:1.6.3-1 
ii  xserver-xorg 1:7.4+4
ii  xserver-xorg-core2:1.6.3-1+b1

nvidia driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run

anyone help me?

thanks


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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Wed,16.Sep.09, 07:21:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >
> >   i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i want to
> > move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install from an old
> > 32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm open to advice on
> > the easiest and most error-free way to do that.
>
> Hello Robert,
>
> I see you already have the new system installed. Not very helpful
> for now, but for your next migration it might be easier if you first
> copy over passwd, group, shadow...  and then install the server
> packages (the ones that create users in the 101-999 range). This way
> you would be able to copy most (all?) data files over without
> worrying about UID mismatch.

  if i read this correctly, you're suggesting that if the "server"
packages already have entries (100-999) in the passwd/group/shadow
files (carried over from the old system), they'll keep the same UID?
yes, that would be convenient if it's true.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Wed,16.Sep.09, 07:21:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>> 
>>   i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i want to
>> move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install from an old
>> 32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm open to advice on
>> the easiest and most error-free way to do that.
> 
> Hello Robert,
> 
> I see you already have the new system installed. Not very helpful for
> now, but for your next migration it might be easier if you first copy
> over passwd, group, shadow...  and then install the server packages (the
> ones that create users in the 101-999 range). This way you would be able
> to copy most (all?) data files over without worrying about UID mismatch.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei


Hi, this is a question I was going to ask in few weeks as I planned to learn
how I can migrate from 32 to 64 bit debian distro.

It looks like it's not possible to just upgrade i.e. replacing the sources
in apt/source.list?

Is it really that hard to switch from 32 to 64?

Is it not possible to replace the sources and i.e. dpkg --reinstall install
?

thanks for the discussion

regards


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Re: No Input for Audacity

[Thomas H. George]

Update: Switched to a Squeeze box.  Now using Audacity version 1.3.7 
(On the Lenny box version 1.3.5-beta is installed).

Initially the problem seemed the same - no signal, view meter inactive.
Under Help/Audio Device Info there was a message "Stream is active ...
Unable to gather information: 

Version 1.6.7 also does not have a switch to select the input source but
the Alsamixer v. 1.0.20 explictily offers switches to select capture for
individual input sources. Initially switch for cd was set to capture.
When I set the switch for mix to capture this turned off the cd switch,
Audacity's view meters became active and clicking on the record button
started recording. Checked the Help/Audio Device Info again but it was
unchanged.

Armed with this information I returned to the Lenny box and tried the
Alsamixer input switches - three labeled capture and three that can be
toggled to mix/cd/line/mike/front mike.  I played with various
combinations of these but could not activate the Audacity view meters.

I am considering moving from Lenny to Squeeze.

Tom


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Re: cannot write to usb drive

[Emanoil Kotsev]

PierPaolo wrote:

> maybe not utf-8 but nls=utf8,
> then try -o rw,force,nls=uft8,
> then hope that initial sectors of the drive (when it is flash too?) aren't
> damaged... if you could, try mounting the drive from winzoz, maybe it was
> unmounted from there without "safe removing" or such like that, once, long
> time ago, this happened to me.
> However, that's message used to identify damaged sectors in vital parts of
> the hard disk and requires hard working with dd, dd_rescue, ddrescue or
> testdisk/photorec...
> 
>

I had a good idea - you can dump the data (disk is 2GB) with dd

 dd if=/dev/sdc1 of=

and then use mount -o loop to try mounting it or playing with or saving the
data.

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Re: Right-Alt not working? A possible fix

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Patrick Wiseman wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Emanoil Kotsev 
> wrote:
>> Patrick Wiseman wrote:
>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> After a recent testing upgrade (I do it daily, but this happened two
>>> days ago), my right-Alt key was not working properly.  Eg, in
>>> Iceweasel, Alt-left should go to the previous page.  With the right
>>> Alt key, nothing happened; with the left Alt key, it behaved as
>>> expected.  Googling revealed that, in Ubuntu, the right alt key
>>> "chooses 3rd level", but that did not seem to be so here when I
>>> checked System/Preferences/Keyboard.  But selecting the option "Right
>>> Alt key never chooses 3rd level" under the "Key to choose 3rd level"
>>> option appears to have corrected the problem.

This configurations are done installing/updateing xorg-conf and console. I
think (as far as I remember) you define the behavior when setting up the
keyboard (by choosing language and model) and still (I'm using kde) it
behaves normally - are you running kde3 or kde4?

>>>
>>> I never had this problem before; is Debian making some eurocentric
>>> presumptions (use of 3rd level on the keyboard) in its defaults?  I
>>> have no objection to that, except that when I select a US keyboard I
>>> would not expect those presumptions to operate!
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>
>> right alt has special meaning on some keyboards and it depends on your
>> Xserver, desktop or console.
> 
> None of which I changed.

but updating daily - so the update is the cause and not you ;-)

> 
>>
>> Have you had any updates recently, check! Ubuntu != Debian why are you
>> citing this?
> 
> I am well aware that Ubuntu is not Debian - I cited it because it was
> about the only thing that Googling turned up on the problem.  And, as
> it turns out, the solution was related!  Did you notice that?

yes noticed - it's normal - :-) ubuntu's alpha debian testers (my opinion)
and we make the profit - but it's not always true.

> 
> I posted in the hopes my information might be of help to people who
> experienced the same issue that I did, oh, I don't know, to maybe save
> them some time tracking it down?  I'm sorry it caused you a snit.
> 
> Patrick

No, no problem at all - just didn't get the motivation why you are exactly
writing it.

However for most of the people right ALT is very useful and also I don't
undrstand how you are able to press right ALT and the arrowkeys at the same
time (without finger acrobatics) - are you on a notebook?

regards


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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:14:40AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sven Joachim wrote:
> 
> > On 2009-09-16 15:49 +0200, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >
> > >   a question about mysql.  i want to reproduce all the mysql
> > > databases on the new system.  is it sufficient to copy all of
> > > /var/lib/mysql? is that where the databases are physically stored?
> > > as opposed to doing mysql dumps and restores?
> >
> > I'm no database exports, but copying the files is only safe to do
> > when the SQL server is not running.  Dumps and restores are the
> > officially recommended way, AFAIK.
> 
>   i have the freedom to shut down the mysql server after hours.  so
> would that be the *only* issue?  as in, once the server isn't running,
> is doing a straight copy of /var/lib/mysql a perfectly safe and valid
> thing to do?  and i'm assuming i'd want to reproduce any configuration
> changes under /etc/mysql as well.  so that would work just fine, would
> it?  excellent.

I can't answer the question about copying /var/lib/mysql, though,
since the destination isn't live, you could certainly try it. If it
fails, you are only out some copying time. 

But one thing you might consider with the db migration, is to move
*only* the db after hours and have your services on the old machine
connect to the db on the new machine. Then you can verify that it is
all working and even run your services live on that db on the 64 bit
machine while you continue the migration.

.02

A


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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,16.Sep.09, 07:21:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> 
>   i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i want to
> move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install from an old
> 32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm open to advice on
> the easiest and most error-free way to do that.

Hello Robert,

I see you already have the new system installed. Not very helpful for 
now, but for your next migration it might be easier if you first copy 
over passwd, group, shadow...  and then install the server packages (the 
ones that create users in the 101-999 range). This way you would be able 
to copy most (all?) data files over without worrying about UID mismatch.

Regards,
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Re: cannot write to usb drive

[PierPaolo]

maybe not utf-8 but nls=utf8,
then try -o rw,force,nls=uft8,
then hope that initial sectors of the drive (when it is flash too?) aren't
damaged... if you could, try mounting the drive from winzoz, maybe it was
unmounted from there without "safe removing" or such like that, once, long
time ago, this happened to me.
However, that's message used to identify damaged sectors in vital parts of
the hard disk and requires hard working with dd, dd_rescue, ddrescue or
testdisk/photorec...

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:43, Umarzuki Mochlis  wrote:

> 2009/9/16 PierPaolo :
> > try mounting with -o rw,nls=utf-8
> >
>
> umarz...@ctrl:~$ sudo mount -o rw,nls=utf-8 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/
> mount: block device /dev/sdc1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,
>   missing codepage or helper program, or other error
>   In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
>   dmesg | tail  or so
>
> umarz...@ctrl:~$ dmesg | tail
> [ 1053.751439] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] 3915776 512-byte hardware sectors (2005
> MB)
> [ 1053.751439] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is on
> [ 1053.751439] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 23 00 80 00
> [ 1053.751439] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
> [ 1053.751439]  sdc: sdc1
> [ 1053.752878] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
> [ 1053.752945] sd 10:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0
> [ 1057.236058] FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT
> filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
> [ 1298.777554] hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read
> method instead.
> [ 1340.142271] FAT: Unrecognized mount option "nls=utf-8" or missing value
>
> This flash drive was okay a few days ago but now it has become like
> this and I already lost its packaging and the only thing I could tell
> that it's brand is Apacer
>
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:36, Emanoil Kotsev 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
> >>
> >> > [12405.685764] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on
> >> > [12405.685764] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 80 00
> >>
> >> This is the issue, and it seems you have a write protection enabled on
> the
> >> stick.
> >>
> >> read the documentation about this model (or tell us what model it is)
> >>
> >> check if it is really idVendor=1005, idProduct=b113
> >>
> >> sometimes ids are mixed up
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
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Re: cannot write to usb drive

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

> 2009/9/16 PierPaolo :
>> try mounting with -o rw,nls=utf-8
>>
> 
> umarz...@ctrl:~$ sudo mount -o rw,nls=utf-8 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/
> mount: block device /dev/sdc1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,
>missing codepage or helper program, or other error
>In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
>dmesg | tail  or so
> 
> umarz...@ctrl:~$ dmesg | tail
> [ 1053.751439] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] 3915776 512-byte hardware sectors (2005
> [ MB) 1053.751439] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is on
> [ 1053.751439] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 23 00 80 00
> [ 1053.751439] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
> [ 1053.751439]  sdc: sdc1
> [ 1053.752878] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
> [ 1053.752945] sd 10:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0
> [ 1057.236058] FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT
> filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
> [ 1298.777554] hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read
> method instead.
> [ 1340.142271] FAT: Unrecognized mount option "nls=utf-8" or missing value
> 
> This flash drive was okay a few days ago but now it has become like
> this and I already lost its packaging and the only thing I could tell
> that it's brand is Apacer

Do you experience the same on another PC (windows/linux)?

can you post the output of 

fdisk -l /dev/sd

 is you drive letter i.e. "c" above

Sometimes messages are result of misinterpretation, so it could be another
issue behind - try to mount it on other system

Finally if nothing else helps and if you can read only files, backup them on
another drive and try formatting this one.

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Printing

[pch0317]

Hello
I have problem with HP PSC 1310 series printer.
I use debian testing, and hpijs packet.

The problem is that when I print black text I receive coloured text instead.
It is bug? Wher can I search for help?

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Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Jon Dowland wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Emanoil Kotsev
> wrote:
>> read the hole thread please, he is saying only the
>> installer does not offers grub if ext3 formated.
> 
> I have read the whole thread. If you carefully study the
> quoted section of my mail, you will see that I answered
> exactly the question that Robert posed.
> 
> 

Sorry, I didn't understand it this way. From his post I don't see anything
like MSDOS part table. May be I'm the one that's missing something.

I'll leave you try helping him.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Jochen Schulz]

Robert P. J. Day:
> 
>   anyway, that's what i'm thinking -- one subsystem or component at a
> time, so i can appreciate the distinctions between all the parts.  ftp
> server.  mail server.  web server and configuration.
> 
>   good idea?  too much work?  thoughts?

As I already said: it clearly is too much work this way, but in order to
make sure every service works as expected on the new machine, this is
exactly the way I would do it. But then I am not a real sysadmin, just a
programmer.

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Re: Squeeze lockups

[Charles]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:00:24 +0200
Sven Joachim  wrote:

> > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub
> > Interface (rev 02) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation
> > 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
> 
> Intel 865 is broken with all current kernels, unfortunately.
> 
> It's not convenient, and IMO the transition of xorg to testing should
> have been delayed further, but now it is too late to look back anyway.



  Well if that's the case ( and it appears from Google it is..) then I think 
I'll just hang on for now and practice the alt-sysreq thing :)

Thanks for your help folks.
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snd-pcpn

[mancyb...@gmail.com]

Dear List,

on a VIA EPIA Mini-ITX board (I've attached the output of the 'lspci' command 
with this email)
I'm trying to get some audio (not just beeps) from the pc speaker, by using the 
snd-pcsp.

I've disable the onboard ac_97 audio card from the bios
and now 'aplay -l' returns me:
 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 1: pcsp [pcsp], device 0: pcspeaker [pcsp]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

but 'aplay -L' returns me:
null
Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)

and if trying to play a wave file, with the command 'aplay test.wav', the 
result is:
ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'
ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver 
returned error: No such file or directory
ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings
ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned 
error: No such file or directory
ALSA lib confmisc.c:1251:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name
ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned 
error: No such file or directory
ALSA lib conf.c:3985:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such file or 
directory
ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
aplay: main:564: audio open error: No such file or directory

also 'alsamixer' says:
alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory

As you can imagine, no audio gets out from the box.

I've attached some other files which may be useful.

This is Lenny with kernel version 2.6.26-2-486


Thanks for supporting and have a nice day,
Mike

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00:00.2 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/VN800/P4M800CE/Pro Host Bridge
00:00.3 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. PT890 Host Bridge
00:00.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/VN800/P4M800CE/Pro Host Bridge
00:00.7 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/VN800/P4M800CE/Pro Host Bridge
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00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller 
(rev 80)
00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. 
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 
Controller (rev 81)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 
Controller (rev 81)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 
Controller (rev 81)
00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge 
[KT600/K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78)
00:14.0 Communication controller: Agere Systems Venus Modem (V90, 56KFlex)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/P4M800 
Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)


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Re: Can't write iso image to cd [2.6.30]

[Rob Gom]

Those are brand CDs (TDK), not causing any problems elsewhere.
Regards,
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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-09-16 16:25 +0200, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sven Joachim wrote:
>>
>> This is only true for users with a UID < 100, as these are defined
>> and maintained by the base-passwd package.  System users with a
>> higher UID get their UID and GID allocated at package installation
>> time and use the first ones that are available.  So these vary
>> greatly between systems.
>
>   where are these boundaries defined?  i'm familiar with such values
> being defined in places like /etc/default/{login,useradd, ???).  from
> looking at /etc/passwd and from what you're written above,
>
> * UIDs of < 100 and 65534 (nobody) are fixed and immutable
> * UIDs of [100-999] represent packages/daemons that are given
>   out as necessary as packages are installed so they don't have
>   to match and i should leave them as is
> * UIDs of 1000 and up are for manually-created accounts, and i
>   *should* reproduce them exactly from the old system to the
>   new system

It's almost like that.  The details are in the Debian Policy Manual,
§9.2.2: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2.

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Re: OpenArena incredibly slow after apt-get dist-upgrade

[ein gedanke]

Can you please try to downgrade the libdrm2 package to the one from the
stable version? I've had troubles with significant performance loss with the
newest version.

greetings,
vitaminx

2009/9/16 Florian Kulzer

>

> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 13:51:00 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> > David A. Bandel schreef:
> > >On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 03:14, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> > >> david DOT bandel AT gmail DOT com schreef:
> > >>>Folks,
> > >>>
> > >>>Not sure if this is an openarena issue or an xorg issue as both were
> > >>>upgraded during a squeeze dist-upgrade.  Openarena is now unplayable
> slow on
> > >>>a 2.83GHz core2quad system with 8Gb RAM.  Two days ago (before the
> upgrade)
> > >>>it ran like a scalded cat.
> > >>There was a new kernel and a new xorg. Can you check if you still have
> > >>direct rendering enabled? Check te output of 'glxinfo | grep "direct
> > >Thanx for the reply.  But:
> > >
> > >da...@tole:~$ glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
> > >direct rendering: Yes
>
> I seem to remember that I have at least once seen "direct rendering:
> Yes" even though dog-slow software rendering was active. There might be
> more clues in the output of:
>
>  glxinfo | grep -E 'OpenGL|vendor|version'
>
> and, of course, the all-time favorite:
>
>  grep -E '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>
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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sven Joachim wrote:

> On 2009-09-16 15:57 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
>
> > Kept thinking a bit longer: are the uids and gids of daemon users
> > actually determined during install? My experience is that these
> > users actually preserve their uid over installations quite well.
>
> This is only true for users with a UID < 100, as these are defined
> and maintained by the base-passwd package.  System users with a
> higher UID get their UID and GID allocated at package installation
> time and use the first ones that are available.  So these vary
> greatly between systems.

  is there no bulk account creation utility on debian for just this
sort of thing?  i know i've seen this sort of thing before on fedora,
i just can't remember what it's called.

  essentially, you feed the utility a list of lines from an existing
/etc/passwd file, and it runs the appropriate commands to create the
corresponding accounts on a new system.  all you need to do is strip a
copy of the /etc/passwd file to the point where it contains only those
users whose UIDs are 1000 and up, since you don't want to touch
anything else.

  no such thing?  i would have thought that that sort of thing is
*exactly* what you want for migrations.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sven Joachim wrote:

> On 2009-09-16 15:57 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
>
> > Kept thinking a bit longer: are the uids and gids of daemon users
> > actually determined during install? My experience is that these
> > users actually preserve their uid over installations quite well.
>
> This is only true for users with a UID < 100, as these are defined
> and maintained by the base-passwd package.  System users with a
> higher UID get their UID and GID allocated at package installation
> time and use the first ones that are available.  So these vary
> greatly between systems.

  where are these boundaries defined?  i'm familiar with such values
being defined in places like /etc/default/{login,useradd, ???).  from
looking at /etc/passwd and from what you're written above,

* UIDs of < 100 and 65534 (nobody) are fixed and immutable
* UIDs of [100-999] represent packages/daemons that are given
  out as necessary as packages are installed so they don't have
  to match and i should leave them as is
* UIDs of 1000 and up are for manually-created accounts, and i
  *should* reproduce them exactly from the old system to the
  new system

seems pretty straightforward, much like i've seen on other linux
systems.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Sven Joachim schreef:

On 2009-09-16 15:57 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:


Kept thinking a bit longer: are the uids and gids of daemon users
actually determined during install? My experience is that these users
actually preserve their uid over installations quite well.


This is only true for users with a UID < 100, as these are defined and
maintained by the base-passwd package.  System users with a higher UID
get their UID and GID allocated at package installation time and use the
first ones that are available.  So these vary greatly between systems.

Then I learned something. Thanks for the info.



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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:

> Kept thinking a bit longer: are the uids and gids of daemon users
> actually determined during install? My experience is that these
> users actually preserve their uid over installations quite well.

  nope.  for example, on the old system, openldap account has a UID of
114.  on new system, 105.  numerous other daemon UID differences as
well.  so a straight copy isn't going to work here.  this just gets
trickier and trickier.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sven Joachim wrote:

> On 2009-09-16 15:49 +0200, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
> >   a question about mysql.  i want to reproduce all the mysql
> > databases on the new system.  is it sufficient to copy all of
> > /var/lib/mysql? is that where the databases are physically stored?
> > as opposed to doing mysql dumps and restores?
>
> I'm no database exports, but copying the files is only safe to do
> when the SQL server is not running.  Dumps and restores are the
> officially recommended way, AFAIK.

  i have the freedom to shut down the mysql server after hours.  so
would that be the *only* issue?  as in, once the server isn't running,
is doing a straight copy of /var/lib/mysql a perfectly safe and valid
thing to do?  and i'm assuming i'd want to reproduce any configuration
changes under /etc/mysql as well.  so that would work just fine, would
it?  excellent.

rday

p.s.  it occurs to me that i *might* want to copy over the mysql logs
as well.  that's where it gets tricky -- in some cases, i really might
want to reproduce the old system's history and log files; in other
cases, no.  this isn't as simple as i first suspected -- it's just
going to take some careful planning.  once i'm done, maybe i should
write about it. :-)

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-09-16 16:03 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:

> I'm no database exports,
  ^^^

Err, that should read expert, of course.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-09-16 15:57 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:

> Kept thinking a bit longer: are the uids and gids of daemon users
> actually determined during install? My experience is that these users
> actually preserve their uid over installations quite well.

This is only true for users with a UID < 100, as these are defined and
maintained by the base-passwd package.  System users with a higher UID
get their UID and GID allocated at package installation time and use the
first ones that are available.  So these vary greatly between systems.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-09-16 15:49 +0200, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   a question about mysql.  i want to reproduce all the mysql databases
> on the new system.  is it sufficient to copy all of /var/lib/mysql?
> is that where the databases are physically stored?  as opposed to
> doing mysql dumps and restores?

I'm no database exports, but copying the files is only safe to do when
the SQL server is not running.  Dumps and restores are the officially
recommended way, AFAIK.

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Re: Squeeze lockups

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-09-16 15:35 +0200, Charles wrote:

> char...@squeeze:~$ lspci
>
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub 
> Interface (rev 02)
> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated 
> Graphics Controller (rev 02)

Intel 865 is broken with all current kernels, unfortunately.

>> Might be bug #525231¹, or one of the other numerous issues in
>> xserver-xorg-video-intel or linux-2.6.  Try upgrading your kernel to
>> 2.6.31.
>
> Reading the buig reports it sure sounds like it. 
> Where might I find 2.6.31 ? Experimental ?

There is a repository at
http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel, but it appears to
be down currently.  So grab 2.6.31 from www.kernel.org and apply the
patches mentioned in http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/18559.html.

It's not convenient, and IMO the transition of xorg to testing should
have been delayed further, but now it is too late to look back anyway.

Sven


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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Jochen Schulz schreef:

Sjoerd Hardeman:

Jochen Schulz schreef:

Not quite. This might lead to problems when UIDs have changed. Some
packages (say, Apache) create new users and files which belong to these
users. Even if you install the same set of packages on a new system, you
have no guarantee that these users are created in the same order (and
hence with the same UIDs/GIDs).
Indeed, you should use cp -p or rsync -a as this copies permissions and  
users. If you then also copy /etc/passwd and /etc/group you'll have a  
matching set of permissions/users/groups.


But then you still have to check the directories you didn't copy over to
the new system for files with the wrong owner. And the problems
concerning hostnames and IP addresses have to be solved as well.
Kept thinking a bit longer: are the uids and gids of daemon users 
actually determined during install? My experience is that these users 
actually preserve their uid over installations quite well.
And what problems do you see with hosts names/ip's? I assume at some 
point the new machine should *become* the old machine, so mathcing ip's 
and hostnames is then exaclty what you need. Of course, during the 
process of copying, you do need to be careful.




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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sven Joachim wrote:

> On 2009-09-16 13:46 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
>
> > Robert P. J. Day schreef:
> >>   i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i want to
> >> move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install from an old
> >> 32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm open to advice on
> >> the easiest and most error-free way to do that.
> >>
> >>   i've already duplicated the software packages on the new server, so
> >> what's left is to transfer over the remainder of the configuration --
> >> mail server, web server, user accounts, etc.  the whole ball of wax.
> >>
> >>   since both systems have webmin, someone suggested doing a webmin
> >> backup on the old system, then just restoring it on the new one, which
> >> makes a certain amount of sense as long as webmin can be trusted to
> >> reproduce configuration info accurately.

> > Why not just copy /etc, /home, /root and /var, and make sure you
> > do not follw symlinks in copying. That should do.
>
> No, at least you need to leave out /var/lib/{dpkg,apt}.  And you
> have to be careful to preserve file ownership -- the uids and gids
> of system users and groups may differ.

  right, see my previous post.  i already have the new running system,
so i don't want to overwrite install or log information with content
from the *old* system.  (is it just me, or does anyone else think that
/var has gotten a bit chaotic in that respect?)

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:

> Robert P. J. Day schreef:
> >   i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i want
> > to move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install from an
> > old 32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm open to
> > advice on the easiest and most error-free way to do that.
> >
> >   i've already duplicated the software packages on the new server,
> > so what's left is to transfer over the remainder of the
> > configuration -- mail server, web server, user accounts, etc.
> > the whole ball of wax.
> >
> >   since both systems have webmin, someone suggested doing a webmin
> > backup on the old system, then just restoring it on the new one,
> > which makes a certain amount of sense as long as webmin can be
> > trusted to reproduce configuration info accurately.

> Why not just copy /etc, /home, /root and /var, and make sure you do
> not follw symlinks in copying. That should do.

  that's sort of the idea i had in mind, but not quite that
brute-force.  after some reflection, i'm willing to spend a little
more time migrating stuff over subsystem by subsystem, just to give me
the chance to see how those things fit together.

  for example, obviously i'm going to (mindlessly) copy over all of
/home, but for that to make sense, i'll need to reproduce the
/etc/{passwd,group,shadow} files, plus perhaps /etc/profile and
related files, and anything that was added to the PAM subsystem
regarding user settings.  it's a bit more work, but it would be more
educational.  so, in that specific case, i'd be interested in all of
the files that contain any information related to users and groups.

  regarding /var, i wouldn't want to copy over all of it since i have
no interest in all the log files, which wouldn't be relevant to the
new system.  so i'd have to be more selective.  but i *would* want to
copy over anything under /var that *would* reflect any configuration
or data.

  a question about mysql.  i want to reproduce all the mysql databases
on the new system.  is it sufficient to copy all of /var/lib/mysql?
is that where the databases are physically stored?  as opposed to
doing mysql dumps and restores?

  anyway, that's what i'm thinking -- one subsystem or component at a
time, so i can appreciate the distinctions between all the parts.  ftp
server.  mail server.  web server and configuration.

  good idea?  too much work?  thoughts?

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Re: Squeeze lockups

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Charles schreef:

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:10:13 +0200
Sven Joachim  wrote:


On 2009-09-16 05:24 +0200, Charles wrote:


Several times lately I have come back to my computer to find it locked up so
tight I have has to do the alt-sysreq thing.



Kernel version and your video adapter are more useful information (run
lspci to find out the latter).


char...@squeeze:~$ lspci

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub 
Interface (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics 
Controller (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI 
Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI 
Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI 
Controller #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI 
Controller #4 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI 
Controller (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface 
Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller 
(rev 02)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller (rev 
02)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) 
AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet 
Controller (rev 01)

char...@squeeze:~$ uname -r
2.6.30-1-686




Might be bug #525231¹, or one of the other numerous issues in
xserver-xorg-video-intel or linux-2.6.  Try upgrading your kernel to
2.6.31.


Reading the buig reports it sure sounds like it. 
Where might I find 2.6.31 ? Experimental ?
www.kernel.org. Compiling yourself is not that hard, certainly not with 
the help of google.




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Re: Squeeze lockups

[Charles]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:10:13 +0200
Sven Joachim  wrote:

> On 2009-09-16 05:24 +0200, Charles wrote:
> 
> > Several times lately I have come back to my computer to find it locked up so
> > tight I have has to do the alt-sysreq thing.

> Kernel version and your video adapter are more useful information (run
> lspci to find out the latter).

char...@squeeze:~$ lspci

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub 
Interface (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics 
Controller (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI 
Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI 
Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI 
Controller #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI 
Controller #4 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI 
Controller (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface 
Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller 
(rev 02)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller (rev 
02)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) 
AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet 
Controller (rev 01)

char...@squeeze:~$ uname -r
2.6.30-1-686



> Might be bug #525231¹, or one of the other numerous issues in
> xserver-xorg-video-intel or linux-2.6.  Try upgrading your kernel to
> 2.6.31.

Reading the buig reports it sure sounds like it. 
Where might I find 2.6.31 ? Experimental ?


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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Jochen Schulz]

Sjoerd Hardeman:
> Jochen Schulz schreef:
>> 
>> Not quite. This might lead to problems when UIDs have changed. Some
>> packages (say, Apache) create new users and files which belong to these
>> users. Even if you install the same set of packages on a new system, you
>> have no guarantee that these users are created in the same order (and
>> hence with the same UIDs/GIDs).
> 
> Indeed, you should use cp -p or rsync -a as this copies permissions and  
> users. If you then also copy /etc/passwd and /etc/group you'll have a  
> matching set of permissions/users/groups.

But then you still have to check the directories you didn't copy over to
the new system for files with the wrong owner. And the problems
concerning hostnames and IP addresses have to be solved as well.

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Sven Joachim schreef:

On 2009-09-16 13:46 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:


Robert P. J. Day schreef:

  i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i want to
move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install from an old
32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm open to advice on
the easiest and most error-free way to do that.

  i've already duplicated the software packages on the new server, so
what's left is to transfer over the remainder of the configuration --
mail server, web server, user accounts, etc.  the whole ball of wax.

  since both systems have webmin, someone suggested doing a webmin
backup on the old system, then just restoring it on the new one, which
makes a certain amount of sense as long as webmin can be trusted to
reproduce configuration info accurately.

Why not just copy /etc, /home, /root and /var, and make sure you do
not follw symlinks in copying. That should do.


No, at least you need to leave out /var/lib/{dpkg,apt}.  And you have to
be careful to preserve file ownership -- the uids and gids of system
users and groups may differ.
Forgot about those, you're probably right. So the idea would then be to 
do an rsync -a or cp -p of /etc/, /home and /root, and in /var to at 
least copy /var/mail /var/spool, /var/log and /var/www, and carefully 
check what you need from /var/lib. Am I right?


Sjoerd



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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Jochen Schulz schreef:

Sjoerd Hardeman:
Why not just copy /etc, /home, /root and /var, and make sure you do not  
follw symlinks in copying. That should do.


Not quite. This might lead to problems when UIDs have changed. Some
packages (say, Apache) create new users and files which belong to these
users. Even if you install the same set of packages on a new system, you
have no guarantee that these users are created in the same order (and
hence with the same UIDs/GIDs).

My approach would be to set up every service manually by copying the
relevant config files and checking whether they need any customization
(hostname, IP addresses come to mind). I give in that's very
labour-intensive, but I cannot think of a better way (in terms of
reliability).
Indeed, you should use cp -p or rsync -a as this copies permissions and 
users. If you then also copy /etc/passwd and /etc/group you'll have a 
matching set of permissions/users/groups.


Sjoerd



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Re: OpenArena incredibly slow after apt-get dist-upgrade

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 13:51:00 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> David A. Bandel schreef:
> >On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 03:14, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> >> david DOT bandel AT gmail DOT com schreef:
> >>>Folks,
> >>>
> >>>Not sure if this is an openarena issue or an xorg issue as both were
> >>>upgraded during a squeeze dist-upgrade.  Openarena is now unplayable slow 
> >>>on
> >>>a 2.83GHz core2quad system with 8Gb RAM.  Two days ago (before the upgrade)
> >>>it ran like a scalded cat.
> >>There was a new kernel and a new xorg. Can you check if you still have
> >>direct rendering enabled? Check te output of 'glxinfo | grep "direct
> >Thanx for the reply.  But:
> >
> >da...@tole:~$ glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
> >direct rendering: Yes

I seem to remember that I have at least once seen "direct rendering:
Yes" even though dog-slow software rendering was active. There might be
more clues in the output of:

  glxinfo | grep -E 'OpenGL|vendor|version'

and, of course, the all-time favorite:

  grep -E '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-09-16 13:46 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:

> Robert P. J. Day schreef:
>>   i've mentioned this before, but by the end of this week, i want to
>> move my entire current (fully-updated) lenny install from an old
>> 32-bit system to a new 64-bit dell server, and i'm open to advice on
>> the easiest and most error-free way to do that.
>>
>>   i've already duplicated the software packages on the new server, so
>> what's left is to transfer over the remainder of the configuration --
>> mail server, web server, user accounts, etc.  the whole ball of wax.
>>
>>   since both systems have webmin, someone suggested doing a webmin
>> backup on the old system, then just restoring it on the new one, which
>> makes a certain amount of sense as long as webmin can be trusted to
>> reproduce configuration info accurately.
> Why not just copy /etc, /home, /root and /var, and make sure you do
> not follw symlinks in copying. That should do.

No, at least you need to leave out /var/lib/{dpkg,apt}.  And you have to
be careful to preserve file ownership -- the uids and gids of system
users and groups may differ.

Sven


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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Jochen Schulz]

Sjoerd Hardeman:
>
> Why not just copy /etc, /home, /root and /var, and make sure you do not  
> follw symlinks in copying. That should do.

Not quite. This might lead to problems when UIDs have changed. Some
packages (say, Apache) create new users and files which belong to these
users. Even if you install the same set of packages on a new system, you
have no guarantee that these users are created in the same order (and
hence with the same UIDs/GIDs).

My approach would be to set up every service manually by copying the
relevant config files and checking whether they need any customization
(hostname, IP addresses come to mind). I give in that's very
labour-intensive, but I cannot think of a better way (in terms of
reliability).

J.
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Re: migrating my lenny install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

[Onur Aslan]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 07:58:26AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> 
>   please don't top-post.
> 
I am not doing. This is my 3rd post to the list.

> p.s.  i don't want to sound a bit short, but there seems to be an
> annoying pattern on this mailing list that people don't actually
> *read* the question i'm asking before attempting to answer it.

You are right, I act a little hasty please don't blame the list and I am sorry
about that.

Indeed my suggestion is the start all over again with dd but you want to use
a 64bit system which I didn't saw in the question. Also you didn't mention to
use a amd64 port in your new system. I don't want to start an argument.
Please accept the apology and ignore this post and don't do any prejudice about
Debian community or list.


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Re: what is the role of release.gpg

[Osamu Aoki]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:28:22PM +0100, abdelkader belahcene wrote:
> Hi,
> What is the role of Release.gpg in the debian site like for example
> http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release.gpg

The cryptographic signature file "Release.gpg" is created from the
authentic top level "Release" file and the secret Debian archive key. 

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_top_level_release_file_and_authenticity
 
> If I want to create a repository from the CD1, which doesn't contains
> Release.gpg,  is it possible to add and how.
> The reason for the message is that I want to create a repository to install
> on several machine the CD1, by using PXE.
> It fails when it searches for the Release file, so I suspect  the absence
> Release.gpg is responsible.

You can create it with your secret gpg key.  You certainly need to add that
key to enable secure-apt.   But trouble of doing it may be beyond you
for now.  I think disabling secure apt from console shell may be easier
way.

Please seek help from install guide and may example for creating
secure-apt compatible archive:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_local_copies_of_the_fetched_packages

Osamu


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Re: Can't write iso image to cd [2.6.30]

[Aioanei Rares]

Rob Gom wrote:

Hi there,
I can't write iso image to blank cd under Linux. Under windows xp the
same works fine.
I tried:
a) k3b with wodim (Debian default)
b) k3b with upstream cdrtools
c) brasero (uses wodim by default)
d) upstream cdrecord from command line

I have the following dvd writer:
~# hdparm -i /dev/sr0
/dev/sr0:
Model=HL-DT-ST DVD+/-RW GH50N , FwRev=B102,
SerialNo=K3997G74144
(upgraded fw from B101 when it failed)

End of the cdrecord log:
Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 69
Manufacturer: Moser Baer India Limited
Manufacturer is guessed because of the orange forum embargo.
The orange forum likes to get money for recent information.
The information for this media may not be correct.

Capacity  Blklen/Sparesz.  Format-type  Type
   0 2048 0x00  No Media Present or Unknown Capacity
Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: 334298
Starting to write CD/DVD/BD at speed 48 in real SAO mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
BURN-Free is OFF.
Turning BURN-Free on
Performing OPC...
Sending CUE sheet...
/opt/cdrtools-orig/bin/cdrecord: WARNING: Drive returns wrong startsec
(0) using -150
Writing pregap for track 1 at -150
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01:0 of   49 MB written./opt/cdrtools-orig/bin/cdrecord:
Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  2A 00 00 00 01 17 00 00 1F 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 2A 00 00 80 30 05 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x05 (cannot write medium - incompatible format) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.003s timeout 200s

write track data: error after 571392 bytes
/opt/cdrtools-orig/bin/cdrecord: A write error occured.
/opt/cdrtools-orig/bin/cdrecord: Please properly read the error message above.
Writing  time:   24.405s
Average write speed  14.0x.
Fixating...
Fixating time:0.004s
/opt/cdrtools-orig/bin/cdrecord: fifo had 73 puts and 10 gets.
/opt/cdrtools-orig/bin/cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 3 times
full, min fill was 93%.



I have also tried disabling hal and had no luck.
I have searched web extensively. Found magnitude of threads, concluding:
- user error
- wodim errors, suggesting using cdrtools instead
- kernel regression (2.6.29->2.6.30, however reporter didn't say enough)

What else can I do? I can wait for 2.6.31 and see if it helps. But I
would like not to waste too much cds ...

Regards,
Robert


  
I'd suggest to try using a brandname CD (physical medium) and see if the 
errors persist.



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