Re: VGA cards

[Celejar]

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:56:28 +0100
Sven Joachim  wrote:

> On 2009-12-17 03:36 +0100, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > I've discovered that kernel modesetting seems to consistently crash my
> > 945GM within a few minutes of starting X:
> >
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25681
> 
> Which kernel version is that?  I have a rather similar machine (Acer
> Travelmate 2490) and never experienced crashes.

2.6.32-lizzie-08080-g5ac4d63 (self-built from a recent upstream git
pull), but I first saw the problem the first time that I enabled KMS,
which was in 2.6.32, IIRC.

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Re: VGA cards

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-12-17 03:36 +0100, Celejar wrote:

> I've discovered that kernel modesetting seems to consistently crash my
> 945GM within a few minutes of starting X:
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25681

Which kernel version is that?  I have a rather similar machine (Acer
Travelmate 2490) and never experienced crashes.

Sven


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Re: access times are only updated once per session these days

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-12-17 08:35 +0100, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> I couldn't find the documentation that said relatime was the default, but I 
> thought I read it somewhere.

It is the default since Linux 2.6.30:
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_30#head-2724ab2d1934ef9ce2ebed2fef81dc51772cd790.

Sven


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Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4b29bdbe.2090...@glimmer.adsl24.co.uk>, Nick Boyce wrote:
>Joey Hess wrote:
>> John Jason Jordan wrote:
>>> But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using
>>> aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new
>>> stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff
>>> I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah.
>>
>> A garbage collection shortcut for your memory: All of the old reasons
>> to use aptitude instead of apt-get for command-line package installation
>> no longer apply; those improvements have been rolled back into apt-get.
>
>Wow, really ?
>
>The main advantage of aptitude over apt-get (IMO) used to be (sarge/etch
>IIRC) that aptitude added extra info into the apt database flagging
>packages that were only installed as a dependency of some other
>explicitly installed package, so that a subsequent 'aptitude remove' of
>the explicitly-installed top-level package would also remove the
>dependency packages because apt now knew the packages were no longer
>needed.  It kept cruft out of the system.
>
>Has that specific functionality been rolled back into apt-get ?

Yes.  Although it is not entirely obvious.  (apt-get autoremove) will remove 
packages that are marked automatically installed but do not have anything 
currently depending on them.

This feature of both apt and aptitude has been confusing to many people -- 
particularly when they used the gnome or kde meta-package and them decided to 
uninstall some useless piece of "cruft" that was pulled in my the meta-
package.

I still prefer aptitude because I make use of the interactive resolver.  When 
running a mixed system like mine, it can be a great aid.  IMO, the aptitude 
interactive resolver is much better than the similar offerings on all other 
OSes I've tried, and reason enough for me to keep coming back to Debian.
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Re: Please teach me about how to find drivers and how to install drivers.

[Camaleón]

2009/12/17 Kyuichiro Nakamura:

(Still replying to my direct e-mail...)

> Thank you for your advice.
> It went to installer by using mini CD that I made on Dec.15.
> But installer could not detect CD-ROM.
> And also did not detect Network interface(LAN).
> My PC is sold in US as DynaBook SS3480.
> But it is very old (I bought it in 2000.)
> Some one is using Debian Linux on the same PC.
> See [debian-users:30293] and [debian-users:30267]
> Thank you again.

That notebook reference provides more useful data :-)

Take a look into this HCL, your computer seems to be listed here:

http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Toshiba/Dynabook+SS3480

So, by following this information, in order you get the hard disk and cd 
rom (both are IDE devices) detected you'll need to load "piix" driver.

Ethernet card seems to need "e100" driver.

HTH.

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Re: access times are only updated once per session these days

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <876386igbj@jidanni.org>, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
>I notice access times are only updated once per "session" these days.

I think relatime is the default.  This is something in between noatime and 
full atime updates, that has most of the efficentcy of noatime (number of disk 
writes is quite reduced) and most of the correctness of atime (e.g. mutt 
doesn't "break").

From man 8 mount:
relatime
Update inode access times relative to  modify  or  change
time.  Access time is only updated if the previous access
time was earlier than the current modify or change  time.
(Similar  to  noatime,  but  doesn’t  break mutt or other
applications that need to know if a file  has  been  read
since the last time it was modified.)

I couldn't find the documentation that said relatime was the default, but I 
thought I read it somewhere.
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Re: postgresql installation error

[Clark Martin]

Allan Wind wrote:

On 2009-12-16T20:36:15, Clark Martin wrote:

I recently upgraded from lenny to squeeze on a 2GHz AMD based HP
computer.  It mostly went well but during the upgrade process and
any time I run dpkg, aptitude or synaptic it gripes about
postgresql.


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535442


Thanks, that bug report had a fix that seems to have worked.

It does say the next version of postgresql-8.3 is supposed to have it 
fixed and I have 8.3.8 while the sample in the report listed 8.3.7.  It 
doesn't look like they fixed it, not yet at least.



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Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?

[Nick Boyce]

Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta wrote:

[123 lines snipped]

> "It is important to understand that the higher level package management
> tools such as |aptitude| or |dselect| rely on |apt| which, itself,
> relies on |dpkg| to manage the packages in the system."
> 
> As referd by Cellejar lookin on:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html

er  [cough] ... all 123 lines of the original quoted, as context for 7
lines of added value .

V poor signal to noise ratio - please don't do that.

Cheers
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Re: MySQL server from backports.org issue

[Brent Clark]

On 17/12/2009 01:38, JW Foster wrote:

Somehow the server is running and my apps seem to be running OK, but I
just do not like the mess the debian developers have made of this. I
also can not uninstall the server to go back to the stable version.
   


Hiya

K why dont you start by purging all the mysql packages.

Then, exercise an aptitude install of mysql-server but from backupports 
( -t lenny-backports )


Then take the last backup of before the backports upgrade and then 
repopulate the db


i.e. mysql < database.sql.

HTH

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Re: Questions regarding hardware for a Free Software (especially Debian)

[Celejar]

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:17:59 +0100
Sven Joachim  wrote:

...

> Be sure to avoid Nvidia graphics cards then.  The best bet is probably to use
> Intel graphics, *except* GMA500¹.  Thanks to KMS², switching from X to a
> virtual console and back is as fast as switching workspaces, and
> resuming/suspending works without a hitch on my laptop.

But as I mentioned in another message in this thread, KMS is apparently
badly broken on my Intel 945GM:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25681

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Re: postgresql installation error

[Allan Wind]

On 2009-12-16T20:36:15, Clark Martin wrote:
> I recently upgraded from lenny to squeeze on a 2GHz AMD based HP
> computer.  It mostly went well but during the upgrade process and
> any time I run dpkg, aptitude or synaptic it gripes about
> postgresql.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535442


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Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?

[Nick Boyce]

Joey Hess wrote:

> John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
>> But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using 
>> aptitude.
>> I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a
>> graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete
>> some of the old stuff. Bah.
> 
> A garbage collection shortcut for your memory: All of the old reasons
> to use aptitude instead of apt-get for command-line package installation
> no longer apply; those improvements have been rolled back into apt-get.

Wow, really ?

The main advantage of aptitude over apt-get (IMO) used to be (sarge/etch
IIRC) that aptitude added extra info into the apt database flagging
packages that were only installed as a dependency of some other
explicitly installed package, so that a subsequent 'aptitude remove' of
the explicitly-installed top-level package would also remove the
dependency packages because apt now knew the packages were no longer
needed.  It kept cruft out of the system.

Has that specific functionality been rolled back into apt-get ?

Cheers,
Nick Boyce


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Re: VGA cards

[Mark Allums]

On 12/16/2009 4:27 PM, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:



In what way "trolling"? Are you kidding? :-/


You are repeating your arguments in a circular fashion without
considering the arguments of others. Thats what we call trolling.


That's not trolling.  It may not be a good argument, but it's not 
trolling.  Trolling is deliberately posting incendiary messages in order 
to make people angry.


MArk Allums


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Re: gmonstart / jvregisterclasses in tons of binaries with commands,malware?

[Joey Hess]

whereislibertyandjust...@safe-mail.net wrote:
> __gmon_start__

A minute with a search engine will tell you this symbol is included
in the standard glibc, and is a hook into early program runtime provided
by sysdeps/generic/initfini.c

> _Jv_RegisterClasses

This is part of GCC's libgcc library, and is defined in the crtstuff.c
file.

http://www.google.com/codesearch/ is an easy way to find the code
where symbols you are interested in originate.

> These strings are not alone by themselves in the
> binaries they follow with commands with a @ mark before each command.

If you're referring to things like these:

setrli...@glibc_2.0
msg...@glibc_2.0

That is library symbol versioning, a feature of linux's linker, most often
used by glibc. http://people.redhat.com/drepper/symbol-versioning

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Re: Looking for a USB Wireless Adapter that supports wpa-supplicant

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

Wayne  wrote:

Celejar wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:41:54 -0500
"Wayne "  wrote:

   As the subject says  I need a USB adapter that works on Debian 
and supports wpa-supplicant.  We are finally able to get a fate 
network connect here in the mountains, using a Verizon MiFi2200 
connection.
The only problem is that all of my USB Wireless adapters are to old 
and don't work with wpa.


   A google search did not help too much.  It looks like 'maybe' a 
Netgear WNDA3100 or a Netgear  WN111v2  would be what I want but I 
don't want to get either one until I know that someone is using it 
on Debian.


Thanks in advance for any/all replies.


I have an AZiO AWU254 (Ver: 1.0) adapter.  From lsusb:

Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB 
Wireless Adapter


As you can see, it uses a Ralink chipset, and it is supported by the
in-kernel Ralink driver (rt73usb - non-free firmware, in package
firmware-ralink, required).  I just tested it with an AP running
WPA-PSK, and it works fine.

Mine looks like this one:

http://www.handhelditems.com/azio-80211g-54mbps-wireless-adapter-p-38837.html 



but I have no idea if they're still using the same chipset ...  The
page only mentions WEP, and (of course) doesn't say anything about
linux, but I don't know if the info is reliable.  Caveat emptor.



Thank You Celejar!!!

That look like a winner.  As I have not done the WPA before, I may 
have a few questions for you when I find one.


Many, Many Thanks!

Wayne


Check out these link in that order, surely you will find out an adapter 
(chipset) for you:


http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevcat.php?id=16
http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/drivers.php
http://www.linux-usb.org/
http://www.linux-drivers.org/

There is a lot to check and multiple choices...

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Re: Laptop won't resume from suspend to ram

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

Sudev Barar wrote:

2009/12/16 Adriano Vilela Barbosa :
  

I'm facing a very annoying problem with Debian testing on my laptop since this 
past weekend. Basically, the machine won't resume from a suspend to ram 
(resuming from suspend to disk works fine). It's not just a problem with a 
blank screen upon resuming; the machine actually gets completely frozen. I can 
hear the hard disk spinning though. I suspected it could be something to do 
with the wireless card (as the wireless LED doesn't come on when resuming), so 
I tried shutting down the network interface and unloading all kernel modules 
before putting the machine to sleep, but that didn't help. I tried kernels 
2.6.30, 2.6.31 and 2.6.32 (the last two from Debian sid) with no luck. 
Furthermore, I suspect this problem is related to some package upgrade over the 
last few days, since everything was working just fine until last Friday or 
Saturday.


[SNIP]

Shot in the dark but may help. Something similar happened when I did a
new install last year on a laptop. Curiously the problem disappeared
when I did a re-install. The only difference was that second time
around I had swap equal/more than RAM. I did not really get down to
investigate real cause.

  

Hi Adriano,

Can you refer to us more info about your laptop hardware?

Sleep/Suspend is diferent from Hibernate.  As Barar refers for hibernate 
on linux laptops you must have at least SWAP space equal to RAM size 
(recomended), depending on your machine resources demand.  Sleep/Suspend 
problems starts with acpi daemon, energy save mode for hard disk, wake 
up on lan and acpi kernel interface, maybe tunned on grub kernel boot 
options.


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Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

Celejar wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:13:22 -0800
John Jason Jordan  wrote:

  

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600
sys49...@hushmail.com dijo:



...

  

For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful
software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been
finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so.  I am
beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected.
Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting
more development attention that I should be using instead?
  


...

  

But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude.
I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a
graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete
some of the old stuff. Bah.



"Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package management
from console both for package installations and package or system
upgrades."

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-aptitude

Celejar
  


"It is important to understand that the higher level package management 
tools such as |aptitude| or |dselect| rely on |apt| which, itself, 
relies on |dpkg| to manage the packages in the system."


As referd by Cellejar lookin on:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html

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Re: Problem installing libglu1-mesa-dev

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

Daniel Lidström wrote:

(I've sent this mail to ubuntu-users as well, but have not got a reply yet.)

Hi,

how do I resolve this error?

hen...@henriklaptop:~$ sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa-dev
[sudo] password for henrik: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies.
  libglu1-mesa-dev: Depends: libglu1-mesa (= 7.4-0ubuntu3.2) but 7.4-0ubuntu3.3 
is to be installed
E: Broken packages
hen...@henriklaptop:~$ dpkg -l libglu1-mesa libglu1-mesa-dev
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
ii  libglu1-mesa   7.4-0ubuntu3.3 The OpenGL utility 
library (GLU)
No packages found matching libglu1-mesa-dev.

I am using Ubuntu 9.04, X86. Do I need to provide more information to get help 
here?

Thanks in advance!

Regards,

Daniel Lidstrom
Stockholm, Sweden


  

Download the package from http://packages.ubuntu.com/es/karmic/libglu1-mesa

Install with dpkg -i --force-depends-version 
libglu1-mesa_7.6.0-1ubuntu4_i386.deb


man dpkg
/force-things
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experts  only.  Using  them  without  fully understanding
their effects may break your whole system."


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Re: Can't Delete File with Bad Chars

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

Rob Owens wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 09:38:42AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
  

Chris Jones wrote:


On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 06:04:03PM EST, Kent West wrote:
  
  

I've got a TeraStation Pro Network Attached Storage device connected to
a stable Debian box. I'm trying to free up some space by deleting old
backups, but have come across a file with a bad name. I'm smbmounting
the NAS to get to the file structure; I'm not real sure how the NAS
drives are formatted.

When I run "stat [tab key to autocomplete the name]" I get a different
node number often.

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
  File: `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'
  Size: 49699 Blocks: 104IO Block: 16384  regular file
Device: 11h/17dInode: 59670244Links: 1
Access: (0766/-rwxrw-rw-)  Uid: (  101/sshd)   Gid: (  100/   users)
Access: 2009-02-20 13:57:10.0 -0600
Modify: 2008-01-23 09:29:06.0 -0600
Change: 2009-02-20 13:57:08.0 -0600

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
stat: cannot stat `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf': No such
file or directory

(The second attempt was just to recall my history with the up arrow; I
have to fill in the stat command with the TAB key to get any data.)

Then I tried to delete the file with some magic I found via Google:


wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> find . -inum 59670414 -exec rm -i {} \;
rm: remove regular file `./Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'? y
rm: cannot remove `./Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf': No such
file or directory

Then I try the stat command again, and find the inode number has changed:

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
  File: `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'
  Size: 49699 Blocks: 104IO Block: 16384  regular file
Device: 11h/17dInode: 59670677Links: 1
Access: (0766/-rwxrw-rw-)  Uid: (  101/sshd)   Gid: (  100/   users)
Access: 2009-02-20 13:57:10.0 -0600
Modify: 2008-01-23 09:29:06.0 -0600
Change: 2009-02-20 13:57:08.0 -0600


Any suggestions as to how I can delete this file?



I missed the beginning of this thread, so maybe this has already been
suggested...

Try putting quotes around the filename.

rm "Tentative Schedule ? Math 445"

-Rob


  

apt-get install mc
mc
press F8 over the rare file name
done!!!

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postgresql installation error

[Clark Martin]

I recently upgraded from lenny to squeeze on a 2GHz AMD based HP 
computer.  It mostly went well but during the upgrade process and any 
time I run dpkg, aptitude or synaptic it gripes about postgresql.


A specific example of it is:

dpkg --configure -a
Setting up postgresql-8.4 (8.4.1-1) ...
insserv: script postgresql-8.4: service postgresql already provided!
insserv: exiting now!
update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
dpkg: error processing postgresql-8.4 (--configure):
subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of postgresql:
postgresql depends on postgresql-8.4; however:
 Package postgresql-8.4 is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing postgresql (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
postgresql-8.4
postgresql


I've tried web searchs and have seen mention of the error but not with 
regard to postgresql.  In the cases I've seen they recommend removing a 
file, /etc/init.d/hibernate only I have no such file.


I've tried uninstalling / reinstalling postgresql-8.4 to no avail.  I've 
checked the logs (aptitude, dpkg.log and syslog) and see nothing beyond 
the above info. 


Any ideas?


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Re: Problem installing libglu1-mesa-dev

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

Daniel Lidström wrote:

(I've sent this mail to ubuntu-users as well, but have not got a reply yet.)

Hi,

how do I resolve this error?

hen...@henriklaptop:~$ sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa-dev
[sudo] password for henrik: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies.
  libglu1-mesa-dev: Depends: libglu1-mesa (= 7.4-0ubuntu3.2) but 7.4-0ubuntu3.3 
is to be installed
E: Broken packages
hen...@henriklaptop:~$ dpkg -l libglu1-mesa libglu1-mesa-dev
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
ii  libglu1-mesa   7.4-0ubuntu3.3 The OpenGL utility 
library (GLU)
No packages found matching libglu1-mesa-dev.

I am using Ubuntu 9.04, X86. Do I need to provide more information to get help 
here?

Thanks in advance!

Regards,

Daniel Lidstrom
Stockholm, Sweden


  

Download the package from http://packages.ubuntu.com/es/karmic/libglu1-mesa

Install with dpkg -i --force-depends-version 
libglu1-mesa_7.6.0-1ubuntu4_i386.deb


man dpkg
/force-things
"Warning: These options are mostly intended to be used  by
 experts  only.  Using  them  without  fully understanding
 their effects may break your whole system."


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Re: VGA cards

[Carl Johnson]

Johannes Wiedersich  writes:

> Carl Johnson wrote:
>> I agree entirely with you.  It is obvious by now that the original
>> poster has an irrational grudge against ATI and is not interested in
>> any real discussions.
>
> Ups OP was Rogério Brito, not Camaleón.

Sorry, I lost track of the original thread.  Rogério started with a
perfectly reasonable question, but Camaleón changed the subject for
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Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

sys49...@hushmail.com wrote:

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I'll look into aptitude and synaptic.  I knew there were other
comand line tools, but couldn't remember the names.

apt-get has become very annoying lately.  It seems that it can't
handle dependencies as well, leaving me to install software by hand
with 'dpkg -i'.  Sometimes, it can't even find the package at all.

Now it wants me to 'apt-get autoremove' telling me that "The
following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
required:" and then provides a long list containing predominately
packages that I use on a daily basis.  It looks like apt-get is
daring me to hose my system.

I just want to find something better.  I have nothing against dpkg
other than that I have to resolve the dependency issues myself.  I
still run apt-get update to make sure security patches are in
place; I do wish that it was the tool I remembered it being years
ago.


Thanks for the tips!
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:24:36 -0600 Celejar 
wrote:
  

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:13:22 -0800
John Jason Jordan  wrote:



On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600
sys49...@hushmail.com dijo:
  

...



For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful
software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have


been


finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so.


I am


beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and


neglected.


Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting
more development attention that I should be using instead?


...



But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be
  

using aptitude.


I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new
  

stuff. After a


graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll
  

have to delete


some of the old stuff. Bah.
  

"Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package
management


>from console both for package installations and package or system
  

upgrades."

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-
aptitude

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"It is important to understand that the higher level package management 
tools such as |aptitude| or |dselect| rely on |apt| which, itself, 
relies on |dpkg| to manage the packages in the system."


As referd by Cellejar lookin on:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html

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Re: Can't Delete File with Bad Chars

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

Rob Owens wrote:

  On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 09:38:42AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
  
  
Chris Jones wrote:


  On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 06:04:03PM EST, Kent West wrote:
  
  
  
I've got a TeraStation Pro Network Attached Storage device connected to
a stable Debian box. I'm trying to free up some space by deleting old
backups, but have come across a file with a bad name. I'm smbmounting
the NAS to get to the file structure; I'm not real sure how the NAS
drives are formatted.

When I run "stat [tab key to autocomplete the name]" I get a different
node number often.

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
  File: `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'
  Size: 49699 Blocks: 104IO Block: 16384  regular file
Device: 11h/17dInode: 59670244Links: 1
Access: (0766/-rwxrw-rw-)  Uid: (  101/sshd)   Gid: (  100/   users)
Access: 2009-02-20 13:57:10.0 -0600
Modify: 2008-01-23 09:29:06.0 -0600
Change: 2009-02-20 13:57:08.0 -0600

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
stat: cannot stat `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf': No such
file or directory

(The second attempt was just to recall my history with the up arrow; I
have to fill in the stat command with the TAB key to get any data.)

Then I tried to delete the file with some magic I found via Google:


wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> find . -inum 59670414 -exec rm -i {} \;
rm: remove regular file `./Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'? y
rm: cannot remove `./Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf': No such
file or directory

Then I try the stat command again, and find the inode number has changed:

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
  File: `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'
  Size: 49699 Blocks: 104IO Block: 16384  regular file
Device: 11h/17dInode: 59670677Links: 1
Access: (0766/-rwxrw-rw-)  Uid: (  101/sshd)   Gid: (  100/   users)
Access: 2009-02-20 13:57:10.0 -0600
Modify: 2008-01-23 09:29:06.0 -0600
Change: 2009-02-20 13:57:08.0 -0600


Any suggestions as to how I can delete this file?


  

  
  I missed the beginning of this thread, so maybe this has already been
suggested...

Try putting quotes around the filename.

rm "Tentative Schedule ? Math 445"

-Rob


  

apt-get install mc
mc
press F8 over the rare file name
done!!!

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Re: Laptop won't resume from suspend to ram

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

Sudev Barar wrote:

  2009/12/16 Adriano Vilela Barbosa :
  
  
I'm facing a very annoying problem with Debian testing on my laptop since this past weekend. Basically, the machine won't resume from a suspend to ram (resuming from suspend to disk works fine). It's not just a problem with a blank screen upon resuming; the machine actually gets completely frozen. I can hear the hard disk spinning though. I suspected it could be something to do with the wireless card (as the wireless LED doesn't come on when resuming), so I tried shutting down the network interface and unloading all kernel modules before putting the machine to sleep, but that didn't help. I tried kernels 2.6.30, 2.6.31 and 2.6.32 (the last two from Debian sid) with no luck. Furthermore, I suspect this problem is related to some package upgrade over the last few days, since everything was working just fine until last Friday or Saturday.

  
  [SNIP]

Shot in the dark but may help. Something similar happened when I did a
new install last year on a laptop. Curiously the problem disappeared
when I did a re-install. The only difference was that second time
around I had swap equal/more than RAM. I did not really get down to
investigate real cause.

  

Hi Adriano,

Can you refer to us more info about your laptop hardware?

Sleep/Suspend is diferent from Hibernate.  As Barar refers for
hibernate on linux laptops you must have at least SWAP space equal to
RAM size (recomended), depending on your machine resources demand. 
Sleep/Suspend problems starts
with acpi daemon, energy save mode for hard disk, wake up on lan and
acpi kernel interface, maybe tunned on grub kernel boot options.

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Re: Looking for a USB Wireless Adapter that supports wpa-supplicant

[Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta]

Wayne  wrote:

Celejar wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:41:54 -0500
"Wayne "  wrote:

   As the subject says  I need a USB adapter that works on Debian 
and supports wpa-supplicant.  We are finally able to get a fate 
network connect here in the mountains, using a Verizon MiFi2200 
connection.
The only problem is that all of my USB Wireless adapters are to old 
and don't work with wpa.


   A google search did not help too much.  It looks like 'maybe' a 
Netgear WNDA3100 or a Netgear  WN111v2  would be what I want but I 
don't want to get either one until I know that someone is using it 
on Debian.


Thanks in advance for any/all replies.


I have an AZiO AWU254 (Ver: 1.0) adapter.  From lsusb:

Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB 
Wireless Adapter


As you can see, it uses a Ralink chipset, and it is supported by the
in-kernel Ralink driver (rt73usb - non-free firmware, in package
firmware-ralink, required).  I just tested it with an AP running
WPA-PSK, and it works fine.

Mine looks like this one:

http://www.handhelditems.com/azio-80211g-54mbps-wireless-adapter-p-38837.html 



but I have no idea if they're still using the same chipset ...  The
page only mentions WEP, and (of course) doesn't say anything about
linux, but I don't know if the info is reliable.  Caveat emptor.



Thank You Celejar!!!

That look like a winner.  As I have not done the WPA before, I may 
have a few questions for you when I find one.


Many, Many Thanks!

Wayne


Check out these link in that order, surely you will find out an adapter 
(chipset) for you:


http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevcat.php?id=16
http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/drivers.php
http://www.linux-usb.org/
http://www.linux-drivers.org/

There is a lot to check and multiple choices...

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

[Frans Pop]

On Thursday 17 December 2009, Rogério Brito wrote:
> I will see with Otávio what can be done from the d-i side of it (I'm not
> really up to d-i things, since I've been working with the main
> distribution instead of with installers). But I can try to look at it.

I already replied to the original mail on the d-boot list [1], but had 
missed the fact it was so heavily cross-posted.

Please don't waste any time on this as there really is nothing wrong here.
All mentioned issues have just one cause: sid being unstable, exactly as it 
is supposed to be.

Users who want to "install" sid are almost always better of first 
installing testing and then upgrading to sid. This will avoid most of the 
issues unstable can have at any time, such as uninstallable packages due 
to library transitions or missing kernel packages due to build failures 
for a particular architecture.

Again, there is *nothing* wrong with the installer here. We welcome reports 
of issues with installations of testing, but issues with sid are seldom 
caused by problems in the installer.

Note that additional help with the installer, especially for non-mainstream 
arches like powerpc, is very much wanted. So if anyone does want to help, 
please do join the d-boot list, and start testing and working on issues.

Cheers,
FJP

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

[Rogério Brito]

Hi there (reading from -powerpc).

On Dec 16 2009, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Debian on PowerPC seems to be in trouble...

I just purchased me a "new" (used, in fact) iBook G4 and this is the
first altivec-enabled box that I have. It is also a bit faster than my
other powerpc machines.

(BTW, if you can donate a powerpc machine, I am interested in
that---please, reply privately if you can).

> 1) The daily d-i CDImage for PowerPC hasn't been updated since Dec 12th.
>   
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/

I will see with Otávio what can be done from the d-i side of it (I'm not
really up to d-i things, since I've been working with the main
distribution instead of with installers). But I can try to look at it.

> 2) Even if it were updated, it still would not be possible to install
> Debian Sid on PowerPC due to the lack of a linux-image package more
> up-to-date than 2.6.30.  This problem has existed for several weeks.

Did not know that, as I am usually running my own kernels. Is there any
breakage in any drivers with a current git tree? I just compiled
yesterday a kernel from Linus' tree for an OldWorld mac and it was
successful (actually, that was a cross-compilation).

> 3) When I install a "graphical desktop environment" with Squeeze
> using the above d-i images, I get a system that is missing almost
> all of gnome due to un-resolvable dependency conflicts.
> 
> Can anything be done about to fix this?  What can I (as a user, non-
> developer, but willing tester) do to help?

Well, there is probably things that can be done. The problem would be to
get a more precise diagnostic. And, yes, a tester is always, always
wanted.

For instance, which part of gnome is not installable? Have you tried
seeing the subpackages which gnome uses (if you're going for the
full-blown metapackage---I always stay away from that for philosophical
reasons, as I want a "different" gnome from what one gets by default).


Regards, Rogério Brito.

P.S.: Otávio, please, get in touch.

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Re: VGA cards

[Celejar]

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:54:53 +0100
Sven Joachim  wrote:

> On 2009-12-14 13:28 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:17:59 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:

...

> >> The best bet is probably
> >> to use Intel graphics, *except* GMA500¹.  
> >
> > IIRC, some Intel cards were having *very* ugly problems with xorg (EXA/
> > UXA issue) not so long ago...
> 
> Yes, but with kernels >= 2.6.30.5 and xserver-xorg-video-intel >= 2.8
> these problems should be gone.  I am very happy with the Intel graphics
> on my laptop now.

I've discovered that kernel modesetting seems to consistently crash my
945GM within a few minutes of starting X:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25681

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ATI All-In-Wonder Cards: work with Linux?

[JW Foster]

I want to use my Linux box as a set top box to watch TV & to watch
streaming videos off the internet as well. I want to use the cards ATI
All-In-Wonder or the VisionTek cards with same chipset. the one I have
interest in is the HD 3650. 
Is there anyone successfully using these cards with Debian Linux, Ubuntu
Any linux. I know I can run them with windows, but prefer to not do
that.
Thanks!


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Re: Looking for a USB Wireless Adapter that supports wpa-supplicant

[Wayne]

Celejar wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:41:54 -0500
"Wayne "  wrote:

   As the subject says  I need a USB adapter that works on Debian and 
supports wpa-supplicant.  We are finally able to get a fate network 
connect here in the mountains, using a Verizon MiFi2200 connection.
The only problem is that all of my USB Wireless adapters are to old and 
don't work with wpa.


   A google search did not help too much.  It looks like 'maybe' a 
Netgear WNDA3100 or a Netgear  WN111v2  would be what I want but I don't 
want to get either one until I know that someone is using it on Debian.


Thanks in advance for any/all replies.


I have an AZiO AWU254 (Ver: 1.0) adapter.  From lsusb:

Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB Wireless 
Adapter

As you can see, it uses a Ralink chipset, and it is supported by the
in-kernel Ralink driver (rt73usb - non-free firmware, in package
firmware-ralink, required).  I just tested it with an AP running
WPA-PSK, and it works fine.

Mine looks like this one:

http://www.handhelditems.com/azio-80211g-54mbps-wireless-adapter-p-38837.html

but I have no idea if they're still using the same chipset ...  The
page only mentions WEP, and (of course) doesn't say anything about
linux, but I don't know if the info is reliable.  Caveat emptor.



Thank You Celejar!!!

That look like a winner.  As I have not done the WPA before, I may have 
a few questions for you when I find one.


Many, Many Thanks!

Wayne


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Re: Looking for a USB Wireless Adapter that supports wpa-supplicant

[Celejar]

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:41:54 -0500
"Wayne "  wrote:

> 
>As the subject says  I need a USB adapter that works on Debian and 
> supports wpa-supplicant.  We are finally able to get a fate network 
> connect here in the mountains, using a Verizon MiFi2200 connection.
> The only problem is that all of my USB Wireless adapters are to old and 
> don't work with wpa.
> 
>A google search did not help too much.  It looks like 'maybe' a 
> Netgear WNDA3100 or a Netgear  WN111v2  would be what I want but I don't 
> want to get either one until I know that someone is using it on Debian.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any/all replies.

I have an AZiO AWU254 (Ver: 1.0) adapter.  From lsusb:

Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB Wireless 
Adapter

As you can see, it uses a Ralink chipset, and it is supported by the
in-kernel Ralink driver (rt73usb - non-free firmware, in package
firmware-ralink, required).  I just tested it with an AP running
WPA-PSK, and it works fine.

Mine looks like this one:

http://www.handhelditems.com/azio-80211g-54mbps-wireless-adapter-p-38837.html

but I have no idea if they're still using the same chipset ...  The
page only mentions WEP, and (of course) doesn't say anything about
linux, but I don't know if the info is reliable.  Caveat emptor.

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access times are only updated once per session these days

[jidanni]

I notice access times are only updated once per "session" these days.
$ echo x>y
$ stat y
Access: 2009-12-17 08:27:56.971374872 +0800
$ cat y
$ stat y
Access: 2009-12-17 08:28:08.171376619 +0800
$ cat y
$ stat y
Access: 2009-12-17 08:28:08.171376619 +0800

mount(8) doesn't show "noatime".
linux 2.6.31-1-686


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Looking for a USB Wireless Adapter that supports wpa-supplicant

[Wayne]

  As the subject says  I need a USB adapter that works on Debian and 
supports wpa-supplicant.  We are finally able to get a fate network 
connect here in the mountains, using a Verizon MiFi2200 connection.
The only problem is that all of my USB Wireless adapters are to old and 
don't work with wpa.


  A google search did not help too much.  It looks like 'maybe' a 
Netgear WNDA3100 or a Netgear  WN111v2  would be what I want but I don't 
want to get either one until I know that someone is using it on Debian.


Thanks in advance for any/all replies.

Wayne


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Re: NTP setting

[Rob Owens]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 09:59:00PM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Rob Owens put forth on 12/15/2009 7:35 PM:
> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:59:36AM +0900, J.H.Kim wrote:
> >> Hi, everyone
> >>
> >> I have a 2 PCs in my office and they are not connected to internet.
> >> But I wish to synchronize the 2PC.
> >> One is for time server and one is for time client.
> >> Is it possible to use NTP for the purpose?
> >> How I can config NTP server with local time?
> >>
> > Near the end of /etc/ntp.conf:
> > 
> > # If you want to provide time to your local subnet, change the next
> > # line.
> > # (Again, the address is an example only.)
> > #broadcast 192.168.123.255
> > 
> > I believe this works even if your time server is not synchronizing
> > itself with another server.
> 
> You forgot to tell him how to configure the ntp client machine.  IIRC,
> the default behavior is _not_ to listen for a broadcast server.  The
> Lenny install default is to query the *.pool.ntp.org servers.
> 
Oops!

Configure the client by including this line in /etc/ntp.conf:

server myserver.mydomain.net

And make sure there are no other "server" lines in that file, pointing
to servers that cannot be reached (such as 0.debian.pool.ntp.org)

Actually, /etc/ntp.conf is pretty well commented, and not especially
long.  You should take a look at it.

-Rob


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MySQL server from backports.org issue

[JW Foster]

Maybe I can get a response with more info. I upgraded to MySQL-server
5.1.1 from stable using the backports.org apps in my sources.list &
pinning them . I also upgraded all of MySql as well. I did not realize
there was any difference until I tried to upgrade the backports
installation & I can not do it. I have discovered several things. 
1. the database mysql seems to be screwed up some way. 
2. I can not edit it or even open it from Webmin or MySqladmin or from
any other app. I get this error: 

"SQL show index from `event` failed : Can't find file:
'./mysql/event.frm' (errno: 13)"

3. I also can not change the password for the 'required' user
'debian-system-maint' ( why is there a required user) (was not needed
b/4?)

4. Basic global install requires my.cnf for it to be effective. I did as
normal taking the dist file, editing it & changing the name to my.cnf. I
noticed it shows the user as mysql. which I have enabled. I also see
that the 'required' user 'debian-system-maint' is enabled using webmin
to view this.

5. The debian-start requires the debian.cnf file and it says to NOT edit
it. I did see the it indicates the user as debian-system-maint with what
appears to be an obscured password.

6. I rarely have any gripes with the developers, however this just seems
to be unnecessary over engineering in order to debianize the server
install.

7. My question is how do I fix this? The debian readme does NOT supply
an answer.

Somehow the server is running and my apps seem to be running OK, but I
just do not like the mess the debian developers have made of this. I
also can not uninstall the server to go back to the stable version.



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gmonstart / jvregisterclasses in tons of binaries with commands,malware?

[whereislibertyandjustice]

In linux binaries, in any linux distro, I've discovered the same strings
which I believe may be due to a virus or trojan.

Yet, clamav, rkhunter, chkrootkit do not detect abnormalities.

Whether I run 'strings' on the binary files or view with vim or gedit, here
is what is always seen inside the binaries:


__gmon_start__
_Jv_RegisterClasses

Followed by commands which differ within each binary.

If, by some luck, I've downloaded a fresh Linux ISO where binaries do not
include the above two strings followed by commands, after I run an update
the updated binaries suddenly contain the above two strings and other, what
I believe to be, rogue strings. I've avoided the possible infection with an
OpenBSD install, yet all the Linux installations and burned ISOs contain
binaries with the above two strings followed by commands.

Search using find within your bin and sbin directories for those two strings
and see how many positives you find. Now use a text editor like vi or gedit
and search through the gibberish, locate these strings and isolate the
commands, if any, which follow them. Searching for gmonstart, gmon,
registerclasses, jv, etc. variations of works. If you find results in your
binaries, please copy/paste the commands following the gmonstart and
jvregisterclasses strings so I may compare them to mine.

I've purchased Linux CDs from brick + mortar stores, downloaded ISOs from
different physical locations and found some CDs contained these strings
in the binaries and one or two rare ones did not, but when installed/updated
on a network connection the binaries replaced in the update process would
show these strings!! These strings are not alone by themselves in the
binaries they follow with commands with a @ mark before each command.

Google results are vague, some suggest shell backdoors, every Linux user
I've asked to date calls me paranoid while at the same time this knowledge
comes as a surprise to them, too, when they search their binaries and find
the same strings. I'm amazed by how quickly some rush to judgement and call
you a paranoid for being curious about the files on your system. The strings
may/may not be common, but in comparing commands which follow these strings
I've noticed some which seem down right malicious!

Maybe they're right, I'm just paranoid, but what am I seeing and why
are these strings so common across Linux distros binaries, esp. the
Jv (java?) reference? Please, any help?


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Re: VGA cards

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:17:16 -0500, Dave Witbrodt wrote:
> 
>> Camaleón wrote:
> 
 Which probably isn't true anyway, with that much in the way of
 resources, you could reverse engineer it in short enough order.
>>> "Reverse engineering" is not legal in some countries and it's not a
>>> fair approach when we are speaking about a company (AMD/ATI) that you
>>> are naming it as "linux-friendly".
>>>
>>> Hey, we have the docs and specs, why should we need reverse engineer it
>>> at all? >:-)
>> Why are you trolling about this?  Go troll on some other list.
> 
> In what way "trolling"? Are you kidding? :-/

You are repeating your arguments in a circular fashion without
considering the arguments of others. Thats what we call trolling.

NB: As far as I understand Dave was not kidding.

Please stop your trolling. Thanks.

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Liberia, and the United States.

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Re: VGA cards

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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> I agree entirely with you.  It is obvious by now that the original
> poster has an irrational grudge against ATI and is not interested in
> any real discussions.

Ups OP was Rogério Brito, not Camaleón.

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Re: Laptop won't resume from suspend to ram

[T o n g]

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:59:45 -0800, Adriano Vilela Barbosa wrote:

> Basically, the machine won't resume from a suspend to ram (resuming from
> suspend to disk works fine).

Not directly answering your questions, but I'd like to know how did you 
ge the suspend to ram & disk works at the first place.

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Re: How does a novice do this

[Jochen Schulz]

Joe:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> 
>> And, by the way: I don't know about any "desktop firewall" like Trend
>> Micro's for Linux. Firewall applications for Linux take a different
>> approach than those for Windows and this is generally a good thing. In
>> short, you don't need such software when running Linux and in my opinion
>> you don't them on Windows either.
>> 
> You wouldn't believe how many Windows programs want to talk to the  
> Internet, and nobody knows for sure what most of them want to talk  
> about.

I think this points to the root of the problem: people are running
software from a vendor they don't trust and which does things they don't
want it to do. Since this usually concerns proprietary software, there
is just one real solution: don't use this software.

I am aware that many people are forced (or just want for whatever
reason) to use specific software they don't trust completely. In these
situations, a "desktop firewall" might give them a little more control.
The problem I personally have with this approach is that I have to trust
yet another vendor and, additionally, desktop firewalls have the
inherent weakness that they run on the same computer as the untrusted
software.

To put it short, I don't deny that there is a use case for such
software. I just don't trust it and its vendors anymore than I trust
companies like Doubleclick (owned by Google now), Yahoo or a game vendor
who installs some daemon to make sure I don't run pirated copies of
their game. These companies mostly make money by frightening users about
threats they (the users) don't understand. In my opinion, this makes
their products unsuitable to better control my system or improve its
security.

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Problems with Debian PowerPC

[Rick Thomas]

Debian on PowerPC seems to be in trouble...

1) The daily d-i CDImage for PowerPC hasn't been updated since Dec 12th.

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/

2) Even if it were updated, it still would not be possible to install  
Debian Sid on PowerPC due to the lack of a linux-image package more up- 
to-date than 2.6.30.  This problem has existed for several weeks.


3) When I install a "graphical desktop environment" with Squeeze using  
the above d-i images, I get a system that is missing almost all of  
gnome due to un-resolvable dependency conflicts.


Can anything be done about to fix this?  What can I (as a user, non- 
developer, but willing tester) do to help?


Rick



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Re: Re (2): new udev

[Brian Nelson]

On 12/16/2009 2:52 PM, Tom H wrote:

And yet the udev maintainer's response to the
'CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED" syslog message is "So do it."
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560821

I assume that if you are using "testing", you have to be prepared for
problems and to make system changes.

udev reports on bugs.debian.org seem to indicate that upgrading your
kernel will solve this problem.


It's probably worth noting that pretty much any time you upgrade udev, 
you should upgrade the kernel as well.  udev upstream generally only 
supports recent kernels.



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Re: How does a novice do this

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:48:23 -0800, A. Kane wrote:

> I am a novice not at all a computer geek. I just want simple clean
> internet and email with a good program like windows media center
> handling everything else along with some axillary stuff. I am not a fan
> of Windows or the Organization or of their products other than they have
> a monopoly when you buy new. I have recently purchased a laptop Toshiba
> Satellite 300 with windows vista. I want to change my system and yet I
> am frightened because I don't know enough. I am an artist and therefore
> very visual. If I can see it I know if I want it. What can you suggest;
> is there a simple solution. I currently use Firefox and Thunderbird and
> Open Office with Trend Micro as the firewall.

You can try with a Debian LiveCD. It's the easier way to get a "see 
before you install" experience :-)

LiveCD runs from the CD media itself and does not modify your current 
Windows installation at all.

You can get it from here:

http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/

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Re: Re (2): new udev

[Tom H]

>> Some of the .rules files on your system are using
>> a deprecated syntax, ...

> The message in syslog has a rather obscure way of
> putting that. Can't a syslog message be as direct
> as Brian has stated it?

>> ... and also your kernel isn't configured to udev's liking.

> Non-obvious details, easily be clarified, are the location
> & use of the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option. Where is it?
> Is it consulted when the kernel is compiled or or when the
> kernel is running?

> Also, there is no sense in every one of thousands of users
> world-wide spending time updating rules. One of the benefits
> of Debian is that a population can benefit from effort of
> an individual. So most users should wait for maintainers
> to update the .rules files.

And yet the udev maintainer's response to the
'CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED" syslog message is "So do it."
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560821

I assume that if you are using "testing", you have to be prepared for
problems and to make system changes.

udev reports on bugs.debian.org seem to indicate that upgrading your
kernel will solve this problem.


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Re: Re (2): new udev

[Brian Nelson]

On 12/16/2009 1:31 PM, Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:15:30AM -0800, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:

Folk,

Observations from bystander.

Date:   Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:21:28 -0500 Brian Nelson wrote,

Some of the .rules files on your system are using
a deprecated syntax, ...


The message in syslog has a rather obscure way of
putting that.  Can't a syslog message be as direct
as Brian has stated it?


I prefer the existing message, since it actually explicitly says what 
the problem is.



... and also your kernel isn't configured to udev's liking.


Non-obvious details, easily be clarified, are the location
&  use of the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option.  Where is it?
Is it consulted when the kernel is compiled or or when the
kernel is running?


It's a kernel compile-time options.


Also, there is no sense in every one of thousands of users
world-wide spending time updating rules.  One of the benefits
of Debian is that a population can benefit from effort of
an individual.  So most users should wait for maintainers
to update the .rules files.


Thank you.

As a user I certainly did not create those rules -- in fact I don't even
know where they are -- so why should I be expected to modify them? Maybe
these rules will be updated automatically when I next reboot -- hence my
question.


/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libchipcard-tools.rules is presumably created by 
the libchipcard-tools package, so I'd expect updates to that package to 
fix the syntax.



If the new udev package requires a particular version of the kernel then
*that* should be pointed out.

At minimum there should be something in apt-listmessages.


Well, it's in the changelog, was discussed on debian-devel 
(http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/11/msg00392.html), and will 
appear in the release notes for squeeze.



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Re: Msn protocol

[Brian Ryans]

Quoting Leandro Quibem Magnabosco on 2009-12-10 07:02:00:
> I've just read in another list that pidgin from backports is working too.

Yes, pidgin from lenny-backports works. Simply add backports to your
sources.list.

Full instructions can be found at [1], don't exactly remember where
within the site though. It's been a few days since I've set this up.

[1] http://www.backports.org

Hope this helps :)
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Re: Re (2): new udev

[Rick Pasotto]

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:15:30AM -0800, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> Folk,
> 
> Observations from bystander.  
> 
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:21:28 -0500 Brian Nelson wrote,
> > Some of the .rules files on your system are using 
> > a deprecated syntax, ...
> 
> The message in syslog has a rather obscure way of 
> putting that.  Can't a syslog message be as direct 
> as Brian has stated it?
> 
> > ... and also your kernel isn't configured to udev's liking. 
> 
> Non-obvious details, easily be clarified, are the location 
> & use of the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option.  Where is it?  
> Is it consulted when the kernel is compiled or or when the 
> kernel is running?  
> 
> Also, there is no sense in every one of thousands of users 
> world-wide spending time updating rules.  One of the benefits 
> of Debian is that a population can benefit from effort of 
> an individual.  So most users should wait for maintainers 
> to update the .rules files.

Thank you.

As a user I certainly did not create those rules -- in fact I don't even
know where they are -- so why should I be expected to modify them? Maybe
these rules will be updated automatically when I next reboot -- hence my
question.

If the new udev package requires a particular version of the kernel then
*that* should be pointed out.

At minimum there should be something in apt-listmessages.

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Re (2): How does a novice do this

[peasthope]

Date:   Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:28:04 +, Joe wrote,
> ... most Windows 'personal firewalls' now make a quick check 
> of a program requesting outgoing access, and match it against a hash 
> which was calculated when the program was first installed and made its 
> first attempt to connect out.

With all the security checking, a Windows system used 
by a relative needs about 5 minutes from power up 
until it is useable.  Whew!  Before long people will 
be more productive using pen and paper and books 
than they are using computers.  Not only that, we 
can do without the pollution from the non-ferrous 
metals and polymers in the hardware.

Regards,... Peter E.


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Re (2): new udev

[peasthope]

Folk,

Observations from bystander.  

Date:   Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:21:28 -0500 Brian Nelson wrote,
> Some of the .rules files on your system are using 
> a deprecated syntax, ...

The message in syslog has a rather obscure way of 
putting that.  Can't a syslog message be as direct 
as Brian has stated it?

> ... and also your kernel isn't configured to udev's liking. 

Non-obvious details, easily be clarified, are the location 
& use of the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option.  Where is it?  
Is it consulted when the kernel is compiled or or when the 
kernel is running?  

Also, there is no sense in every one of thousands of users 
world-wide spending time updating rules.  One of the benefits 
of Debian is that a population can benefit from effort of 
an individual.  So most users should wait for maintainers 
to update the .rules files.

Regards,  ... Peter E.





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Re: mutt deletes 1st unread

[freeman]

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:55:54AM +0100, Nicolas KOWALSKI wrote:
> freeman  writes:
> > I use folder-hooks to archive mail after n weeks. Here is the l-debusr
> > hook:
> >
> > folder-hook l-debusr 'push
> > ~r>12w!~F+archive/l-debusr'
> 
> I have the following for archiving old mail (>90d) in my INBOX.
> 
> folder-hook =INBOX'push 
> ~R~r>90d=Archive~A'
> 
> The  is probably what's missing in your hook.
> 
> -- 
> Nicolas

Thanx Nicolas. Initial tests are positive.

And I am signed up with mutt-users which is a pleasure that got undone back
in the past somewhere.  :)

Thanx Sjoerd. Always nice to be among thoughtful people after flame wars on
forums. :\

Interesting that I had part of the tag. I wonder if it has evolved? Or maybe
I got it wrong.  I'll never remember!

Either way the problem didn't occur in all mailboxes for which I copied and
edited the original hook.

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Re: How does a novice do this

[Joe]

Jochen Schulz wrote:


And, by the way: I don't know about any "desktop firewall" like Trend
Micro's for Linux. Firewall applications for Linux take a different
approach than those for Windows and this is generally a good thing. In
short, you don't need such software when running Linux and in my opinion
you don't them on Windows either.

You wouldn't believe how many Windows programs want to talk to the 
Internet, and nobody knows for sure what most of them want to talk 
about. Windows from XP onwards has a built-in firewall controlling 
incoming packets, but only from Vista on does it also control outgoing 
packets. Most programs seem to want to upgrade themselves every time the 
computer is turned on, and a security-conscious person might want to 
prevent this, as there's no way a user can tell if the upgrade request 
is genuine. It is safer to download the latest version from the website 
and install it manually.


Another issue is that Windows viruses normally want to send lots of 
email, and if you're using webmail, there's no need for the client PC 
ever to send any SMTP messages. Even if you do use SMTP, it will only 
ever be to one smarthost, so control of outgoing SMTP is usually a good 
idea.


Viruses also masquerade as genuine programs which should be allowed to 
use the Net, so most Windows 'personal firewalls' now make a quick check 
of a program requesting outgoing access, and match it against a hash 
which was calculated when the program was first installed and made its 
first attempt to connect out.


None of this actually stops a Windows machine from getting infected, but 
it tries to offer an early warning that it has happened, so the machine 
doesn't keep sending a flood of spam for weeks. With no outgoing packet 
control on PC or router, there is no way for the average home user to 
know what his machine is getting up to.


Agreed, there's little need for an outgoing firewall for Linux, though 
the restriction of packets in and out to those known to be necessary is 
never a bad idea. *nix may not (yet) have viruses spread by users, but 
it certainly has had worms, and I wouldn't be surprised if many Windows 
viruses now look around the network to see if there are any *nix 
machines running on it.


I also expect to see many more closed-source applications, mostly games, 
running on *nix in the future, and some of them could well contain what 
the AV vendors like to call 'potentially unwanted programs'. Not 
actually keyloggers as such, but things which might log and report on 
web browsing or downloading. There's a lot of (financial) connections 
between legitimate software publishers and legal but aggressive and 
unethical marketing companies in the Windows world, and we can expect 
some spillover as Ubuntu and other distributions appeal to people like 
the OP.



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Re: VGA cards

[Carl Johnson]

Dave Witbrodt  writes:

> More idiocy.  More trolling.
>
> At this point I'd like to ask Kelly Clowers to stop feeding the
> troll. The only result of your attempts to correct this troll's errors
> has been to give it a chance to spread disinformation in the
> debian-user archives.  Now Google will find this crap, and people will
> be led to believe that open source support for ATI hardware was still
> unreliable as late as December 2009 -- which is categorically false.

I agree entirely with you.  It is obvious by now that the original
poster has an irrational grudge against ATI and is not interested in
any real discussions.


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Re: VGA cards

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:17:16 -0500, Dave Witbrodt wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

>>> Which probably isn't true anyway, with that much in the way of
>>> resources, you could reverse engineer it in short enough order.
>> 
>> "Reverse engineering" is not legal in some countries and it's not a
>> fair approach when we are speaking about a company (AMD/ATI) that you
>> are naming it as "linux-friendly".
>> 
>> Hey, we have the docs and specs, why should we need reverse engineer it
>> at all? >:-)
> 
> Why are you trolling about this?  Go troll on some other list.

In what way "trolling"? Are you kidding? :-/

If you do not like reading an argumented post explaining why AMD/ATI is 
not doing the right way, just press the "delete" key, sir and go to the 
next message.

Are you pleased about AMD/ATI and how are they managing their drivers to 
linux users? Perfect, but let other people express their opposite opinion 
in an educated manner.

I end up reading your message here.

Try next time by not calling "troll" to a person just by having its own 
thinking, even though does not fit with yours.

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Re: Laptop won't resume from suspend to ram

[Sudev Barar]

2009/12/16 Adriano Vilela Barbosa :
> I'm facing a very annoying problem with Debian testing on my laptop since 
> this past weekend. Basically, the machine won't resume from a suspend to ram 
> (resuming from suspend to disk works fine). It's not just a problem with a 
> blank screen upon resuming; the machine actually gets completely frozen. I 
> can hear the hard disk spinning though. I suspected it could be something to 
> do with the wireless card (as the wireless LED doesn't come on when 
> resuming), so I tried shutting down the network interface and unloading all 
> kernel modules before putting the machine to sleep, but that didn't help. I 
> tried kernels 2.6.30, 2.6.31 and 2.6.32 (the last two from Debian sid) with 
> no luck. Furthermore, I suspect this problem is related to some package 
> upgrade over the last few days, since everything was working just fine until 
> last Friday or Saturday.
[SNIP]

Shot in the dark but may help. Something similar happened when I did a
new install last year on a laptop. Curiously the problem disappeared
when I did a re-install. The only difference was that second time
around I had swap equal/more than RAM. I did not really get down to
investigate real cause.

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Re: VGA cards

[Dave Witbrodt]

Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:28:19 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:39, Camaleón wrote:



That "100 people" was just a "supposition", sir :-)

Hmmm, then that sentence needs some qualifiers or something:

"so even *if we had* 100 dedicated engineers working on ATI drivers, we
*would* still have an incomplete open source driver."

Which probably isn't true anyway, with that much in the way of
resources, you could reverse engineer it in short enough order.


"Reverse engineering" is not legal in some countries and it's not a fair 
approach when we are speaking about a company (AMD/ATI) that you are 
naming it as "linux-friendly".


Hey, we have the docs and specs, why should we need reverse engineer it 
at all? >:-)


Why are you trolling about this?  Go troll on some other list.

The ATI people have been great, but they have stated from the outset 
that some aspects of their closed source driver cannot be opened due to 
legal issues.  The vast majority of the features of their devices, 
though, are covered by the documentation they have released.  In 
addition, they have also released examples of working source code and 
they have several _paid_ employees working on the open source drivers 
and documentation.


Your whining is idiotic trolling.



The status of the supported capabilities by "radeon" and "radeonhd"
drivers is as follows:

http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/radeonhd%3Afeature

Does not look so good.

I am very familiar with those pages. There is still more work to do of
course, but all in all, it looks like very good progress.


And you don't bother why AMD/ATI (being a "linux-friendy" company) does 
not provides these drivers?


If I were AMD/ATI, I will like to see at the same level of quality and 
performance *any* of the drivers I am providing to my users, being 
windows, linux, *bsd or solaris users.


It's one thing to criticize the quality of the drivers:  'fglrx' has 
always been an insult to Linux users, IMO.  But it's another thing to 
claim that the status of the open source drivers is poor, or that ATI is 
somehow to blame for the drivers not being perfect already.


The documentation on started being released a couple of years ago, and 
the drivers written with it have been written from scratch since that 
time.  Not all of the docs were released at the same time, so support 
for those aspects should be expected to be delayed... by anyone who 
lives in the real world, anyway.  (Maybe not by a useless troll who is 
unable to figure out simple things like this.)




I agree that Xorg people have done a very good job (by their own) with
radeon/radeonhd drivers.

I wasn't speaking of the independent xorg devs (although they also do a
good job), I was saying AMD is doing a very good job.


In what way is doing a very good job? A good job could be if they 
collaborate a bit for the development of their drivers, not just by 
providing "some" specs and letting other doing its job.


Pure trolling.

Anyone familiar with the development of these drivers knows that AMD/ATI 
employees are working on this everyday.  They respond to comments and 
questions from users, work on development of the drivers (and related 
components of the graphics subsystems), and work with other developers 
to improve all of this software.


Your comments merely reveal your ignorance.



But I have to disagree in regards AMD/ATI. It's not a linux-friendly
company and has not released the full specs for their vga cards. Just
some papers. In these days, that's not enough.

Just some papers? What else would they release? What specifically do you
think they need to release?


They need to release the drivers. They need to open source the full 
drivers to their users. By "they" I mean AMD/ATI, of course, not X.org.


The only "drivers" they could have "released" was 'fglrx'.  They have 
always stated that they cannot:  intellectual property from other 
parties prevents them from legally releasing that code.


(One may choose to disbelieve them, since we cannot see the code.  That 
is a different question, however.)


Instead, AMD/ATI began releasing documentation and example code.  As I 
said in a previous message in this thread:  within 6 months the open 
source drivers were doing video playback more reliably than years of 
development on 'fglrx' had provided for most Linux users.




Look at the r600 docs for example: a 342 page Instruction Set
Architecture guide, a 43 page 3D acceleration guide, a 166 page 3D
register guide and sample code for manipulating the atom command
processor.


Look at its current status:

http://jbridgman.livejournal.com/945.html

"(...) The 6xx/7xx 3D driver is starting to do useful things again after 
moving over to the radeon-rewrite mesa code base. As of last night, it 
seems to be behaving properly on 14 of the 63 tests in progs/redbook, 
drawing incorrectly on 24, and either not drawing or crashing on t

Re: ssk-key password: necessary to update?

[Jochen Schulz]

Sthu Deus:
> 
> If I want to change ssh-key for a remote machine, for security reason
> - do I have to change its password too (that protects the key use) -
> or I can live it the same - as it remains on local machine and
> therefore, not known/transmitted to the remote one?

If you create a new key using ssh-keygen, you are free to choose
whatever passphrase you want. Of course, security-wise it is a good idea
to change the passphrase every now and then. But the server cannot even
tell whether you are using any passhrase at all, so it cannot enforce
restrictions on the passphrase you choose.

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Re: ssk-key password: necessary to update?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4b28ca09.11435e0a.7c95.d...@mx.google.com>, Sthu Deus wrote:
>If I want to change ssh-key for a remote machine, for security reason - do I
> have to change its password too (that protects the key use) - or I can live
> it the same - as it remains on local machine and therefore, not
> known/transmitted to the remote one?

Since you are changing things up, I'd go ahead and change my key's passphrase 
as well.

However, as you mention, that passphrase never leaves the local system, so it 
couldn't have been leaked through usage.  Therefore, there's no reason I can 
think to justify changing it.
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Re: NTP setting

[Adrian Levi]

2009/12/16 J.H.Kim :
> Hi, everyone
>
> I have a 2 PCs in my office and they are not connected to internet.
> But I wish to synchronize the 2PC.
> One is for time server and one is for time client.
> Is it possible to use NTP for the purpose?
> How I can config NTP server with local time?

IIUC if you install openntpd and set up one machine as a server you
can configure the other to act as a client. The client machine's time
will drift toward the servers time and then remain synchronised.

Adrian

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Re: How does a novice do this

[Jochen Schulz]

[I am CCing you since I suppose you are not subscribed to the list.
 Sorry if that bothers you.]

A. Kane:
>
> […] I am an artist and therefore  very visual. If I can see it I know
> if I want it. What can you suggest;  is there a simple solution. I
> currently use Firefox and Thunderbird and  Open Office with Trend
> Micro as the firewall.

Just a few thoughts:

First: Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice.org run on Linux just as fine
as on Windows. They will look slightly different, though.  Depending on
your taste and the desktop environment you choose, this is better or
worse than on Windows.

Then: In my opinion, Debian is a very good distro choice for many
people, but I suspect you will have to spend more time tweaking it than
you want to. Other distributions like Ubuntu or openSUSE might better
fit your needs. If you don't care very much about choice, freedom (as in
"free software") and the ability to tweak (and break) every part of your
operating system, you might want go the Mac route as well.

And, by the way: I don't know about any "desktop firewall" like Trend
Micro's for Linux. Firewall applications for Linux take a different
approach than those for Windows and this is generally a good thing. In
short, you don't need such software when running Linux and in my opinion
you don't them on Windows either.

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Re: totem: thumbnails, nautilus properties, playback broken

[Daniel Armstrong]

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Tixy  wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 20:13 -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote:
>> Hi... I am currently running Debian testing upgraded with the latest
>> Gnome and totem.
> 
>> When I open Nautilus:
>>
>> * totem-video-thumbnailer fails to create video thumbnails for almost
>> all formats (only mpeg thumbnails are generated)
>> * totem fails to play the files
>> * Right-clicking on the file in Nautilus and choosing 'Properties'
>> opens a "Creating properties window" and stops at that point...
>>
>> Mplayer and xine *are* able to play the files... its only totem - and
>> by extension Nautilus - that is having problems with these videos.
> 
>
> I got something similar and discovered a Debian bug report which had a
> reply indicating that the problem was with packages in the
> debian-multimedia archive. Downgrading libavcodec52 and libavformat52 to
> the ones in the Debian archive fixed the problems for me.

Thank you Tixy for pointing me towards that bug report and a solution!

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=557260

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Re: totem: thumbnails, nautilus properties, playback broken

[Daniel Armstrong]

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Daniel Armstrong  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Tixy  wrote:
>> On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 20:13 -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote:
>>> Hi... I am currently running Debian testing upgraded with the latest
>>> Gnome and totem.
>> 
>>> When I open Nautilus:
>>>
>>> * totem-video-thumbnailer fails to create video thumbnails for almost
>>> all formats (only mpeg thumbnails are generated)
>>> * totem fails to play the files
>>> * Right-clicking on the file in Nautilus and choosing 'Properties'
>>> opens a "Creating properties window" and stops at that point...
>>>
>>> Mplayer and xine *are* able to play the files... its only totem - and
>>> by extension Nautilus - that is having problems with these videos.
>> 
>>
>> I got something similar and discovered a Debian bug report which had a
>> reply indicating that the problem was with packages in the
>> debian-multimedia archive. Downgrading libavcodec52 and libavformat52 to
>> the ones in the Debian archive fixed the problems for me.
>
> Hi Tixy... I found the bug report you referred to and downgrading
> libavcodec52 and libavformat52 did indeed fix the issue of video
> thumbnails, nautilus properties, and totem playback. Thanks!
>
> But now I have the problem that debian-multimedia's ffmpeg package is
> broken and trying to downgrade it to testing version opens a whole
> host of dependency issues. How did you resolve things at your end?

Just to follow-up... I resolved the issue by downgrading packages,
allowing aptitude to un-install others, then re-installing by running
the following commands in sequence:

sudo aptitude install libavcodec52=4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1
libavformat52=4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1
sudo aptitude install libavfilter0
sudo aptitude install libavdevice52=4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1
sudo aptitude install libpostproc51=4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1
libswscale0=4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1
sudo aptitude install ffmpeg=4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1

So I now have the ffmpeg + dependencies installed from the Debian archives.

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ssk-key password: necessary to update?

[Sthu Deus]

Good day.


If I want to change ssh-key for a remote machine, for security reason - do I 
have to change its password too (that protects the key use) - or I can live it 
the same - as it remains on local machine and therefore, not known/transmitted 
to the remote one?


Thanks for Your time.

PS Please, reply to the list.


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Dec 20 Global Debian & All Free SW HW Culture meeting - BerkeleyTIP

[john_re]

A great December Solstice to you & yours. :)

JOIN the Global All Free SW, HW, Culture meeting via VOIP
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==  WATCH some VIDEOS:
Mark Shuttleworth Interview - 10.04 Lucid Larynx
Learning from Code History , Andreas Zeller
Why does my program fail? Your version history might have the answer.
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Distributed Development,  UDS in Dallas
Splunk,  Jeremy Thurgood  CLUG
Upstart,  Stefano Rivera  CLUG
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Come discuss any & everything, & work on your individual or group
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your VOIP system up & working.  For VOIP SW, & connection info, see:
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Berkeley meeting LOCATION:  Watch the website & mail list for latest
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Re: Please teach me about how to find drivers and how to install drivers.

[Camaleón]

2009/12/16 Kyuichiro Nakamura:

(try to respond to the list so anyone can see your reply)

> I will try harder.
> Thank you again.
> Last night I made mini CD.
> I tried to install,but it did not find CD-ROM,Lan interface.
> I will try to get drivers.

I'm now not sure about your current installation status.

Did you get to boot at least into the installer? :-?

I guess your are facing two main problems:

1/ Your laptop brand and model is not quite common outside Japan, so not 
many people is using it.

2/ It's a bit old :-)

Greetings,

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Re: mutt deletes 1st unread

[Nicolas KOWALSKI]

freeman  writes:
> I use folder-hooks to archive mail after n weeks. Here is the l-debusr
> hook:
>
> folder-hook l-debusr 'push
> ~r>12w!~F+archive/l-debusr'

I have the following for archiving old mail (>90d) in my INBOX.

folder-hook =INBOX  'push 
~R~r>90d=Archive~A'

The  is probably what's missing in your hook.

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Re: mutt deletes 1st unread

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

freeman schreef:
fic questions not relating

to Debian.


Will do. Sorry if I was off topic.


I don't think it was meant as a "be ontopic"-remark. As mutt is part of 
Debian, there certainly is sense in discussing mutt here.
Yet, posting to the mutt mailing list most likely improves your chances 
of getting a usable answer ;)


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Re: totem: thumbnails, nautilus properties, playback broken

[Tixy]

On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 20:13 -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote:
> Hi... I am currently running Debian testing upgraded with the latest
> Gnome and totem.

> When I open Nautilus:
> 
> * totem-video-thumbnailer fails to create video thumbnails for almost
> all formats (only mpeg thumbnails are generated)
> * totem fails to play the files
> * Right-clicking on the file in Nautilus and choosing 'Properties'
> opens a "Creating properties window" and stops at that point...
> 
> Mplayer and xine *are* able to play the files... its only totem - and
> by extension Nautilus - that is having problems with these videos.


I got something similar and discovered a Debian bug report which had a
reply indicating that the problem was with packages in the
debian-multimedia archive. Downgrading libavcodec52 and libavformat52 to
the ones in the Debian archive fixed the problems for me.

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RE: Using Cricket A600 Modem in Debian

[Leslie Rhorer]

> > I have been looking for a reference on using the Cricket Wireless A600
> > Broadband modem under a Debian "Lenny" install to provide wireless
> > access to a home LAN.  I can find a number of references such as the
> > one at
> > http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-setup-cricket-wireless-a600-broadband-
> modem-in-ubuntu.html
> 
> //
> 
> perfect.

Ah!  Then I'm on the right track.

> > covering installation of the modem on Ubuntu, but I can't find about
> > using the device in Debian.  One of the posts suggests the utility
> > requires kernel 2.6.29 or above, which isn't in any Debian reporitories
> > I can find.  Does anyone have any insight on this?
> 
> //
> 
> well, i'm very happy with my cricket a600, if that matters.
> 
> i'm using it on a (vanilla--standard install) lenny box.
> the kernel is 2.6.26-1-686, i believe.

'Better and better.


> good!  all that means is that the cricket a600 modem
> has been rebooted, a necessity.
> 
> now the fun part

'And better still.

 
> 1.  # ifdown eth0 (or eth1--however your ethernet is recognized);
> 
>   - this makes sure that your system doesn't try to use
>   the ethernet for your network connectivity.

No, it's going to have to.  This is going to be a router.  However,
setting the default route to the wireless interface should be sufficient.

> 2.  # wvdial (if you don't have it, yet:  # apt-get install wvdial)
> 
>   - this dials out and connects your modem to cricket's 3g net-
>   work.

Ah!  The missing piece... as long as udev creates the device listed
below.  Let me look...  Yeah, it's there.

> 3.  edit /etc/wvdial.conf:
> 
>   - vi /etc/wvdial.conf (or open the wvdial.conf file with your
>   favorite editor).
> 
>   - add this info to the file, if it's not already there:
> 
> phone = #777
> modem = /dev/ttyACM0
> username = [put_your_cricket_telephone_number_he...@mycricket.com
> passmord = cricket

I presume I'm supposed to remove the semicolons?  One little issue:
I don't have a Cricket telephone number.  All I have is broadband service.
I also don't have a login or password.

> 4.  # wvdial

I'm getting there, though.  The modem is definitely responding.

>   - if everything is configured, you'll get your ip address
>   for cricket's network and cricket's dns servers.
> 
> 5.  surf away!
> 
> luck!

Thanks!


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