[ANNOUNCE] apt-offline 0.9.6 released

[Ritesh Raj Sarraf]

Hello World,

I'm pleased to announce apt-offline version 0.9.6.

Release Highlights
* Major bug fixes


Please see the git log for full details.
.

apt-offline is an Offline APT Package Manager for APT based systems, i.e. 
mostly 
Debian and Debian derived distributions.
apt-offline can fully update/upgrade your disconnected Debian box without the 
need of connecting it to the network.

* It works by generating a signature of the disconnected box.
* You carry the signature to a net connected box running anything 
(Windows/Linux/Mac)
* apt-offline downloads all data as per the signature. This includes apt 
database, packages, bug reports. The data can be bundled to a single file to 
carry it easily on a USB stick
* The bundle file is all that is needed on the disconnected Debian box. Apt on 
this box will feel like everything was downloaded the traditional (apt-get 
update/upgrade) way.


apt-offline is available at [1] and the latest 0.9.6 release can be downloaded 
here [2]

[1] https://alioth.debian.org/projects/apt-offline/
[2] https://alioth.debian.org/frs/?group_id=100399&release_id=1450


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Urgent: Query on dhclient in handling IP conflict

[sathya sai]

 Hi All,

This is Sathya, a debian etch user who uses dhclient package to configure
the IP address.

Firstly, I would like to give my heartily thanks to you all for your great
dedicated contribution towards this package. As I am newbie to this mailing
list, I am not aware on where to post this query. So, thought of this mail
directly sending it to you all.

My system has following dhclient packages,

ii  dhcp3-client 3.0.4-13+etch2DHCP
Client
ii  dhcp3-common 3.0.4-13+etch2   Common
files used by all the dhcp3* packages
ii  dhcp3-server 3.0.4-13+etch2   DHCP
server for automatic IP address assignm


Following is the problem which I am facing now,

I have a subnet whose IP addressing is managed by DHCP server. But, one
system in that is intentionally assigned a static IP address. In multiple
occasions, I am now getting IP conflicts in my subnet.

On further analysing this problem, I could undertand that this probelm is
happening because,

1.  As DHCP server is un-aware of this statically configured system; upon
receiving the DHCPREQUEST from a system (which is running dhclient)
from this subnet, the DHCP server gets an unused IP from its IP pools offers
it to that client. *In somecases, dhcp server is giving the same IP address
as that of statically configured system. *

2. As on receiving the IP address, *our dhclient is not performing a final
check on the existence of IP conflict for prior received IP address using
ARP broadcast,* it goes ahead in configuring the system with this IP
address. This results in an IP conflict to exist between these two systems
(with this system and a system with statically configured IP).

*I could also see that, our debian dhclient presently DOES NOT HAVE AN
OPTION TO IMPLICITLY SUPPORT THIS.*

But as per RFC 2131,  the client should perform a final check to detect the
IP conflict and send DHCPDECLINE message. Please find the RFC snippet as in
below,


"5. The client receives the DHCPACK message with configuration
 parameters.  *The client SHOULD perform a final check on the
 parameters *(e.g., ARP for allocated network address), and notes the
 duration of the lease specified in the DHCPACK message.  At this
 point, the client is configured.  *If the client detects that the
 address is already in use (e.g., through the use of ARP), the
 client MUST send a DHCPDECLINE message* to the server and restarts
 the configuration process."


And also I could find the following information on dhclient manpage
regarding this,

"  Before actually configuring the address, dhclient-script should
somehow
   ARP for it and exit with a nonzero status if it receives a reply.
In
   this case, the client will send a DHCPDECLINE message to the server
and
   acquire a different address.   This may also  be  done  in  the
RENEW,
   REBIND,  or  REBOOT  states, but is not required, and indeed may not
be
   desirable."


As changes to DHCP server is out of our control & we are not sure on what IP
would be statically configured to the system, could you please let me know
your thoughts on how do this we can fix this in dhclient code to
automatically detect duplicate address using ARP broadcast ?

If this support this not there in present dhclient, could you please let me
know by when this the community planning to give a patch for this.

As I am in need of urgent need for fix on this issue, it would be really
helpful if I can get your thoughts on this by earliest.

Thanks a lot in advance for understanding.

Regards,
Sathya

Urgent: Query on dhclient in handling IP conflict

[sathya sai]

Hi All,

This is Sathya, a debian etch user who uses dhclient package to configure
the IP address.

Firstly, I would like to give my heartily thanks to you all for your great
dedicated contribution towards this package. As I am newbie to this mailing
list, I am not aware on where to post this query. So, thought of this mail
directly sending it to you all.

My system has following dhclient packages,

ii  dhcp3-client 3.0.4-13+etch2DHCP
Client
ii  dhcp3-common 3.0.4-13+etch2   Common
files used by all the dhcp3* packages
ii  dhcp3-server 3.0.4-13+etch2   DHCP
server for automatic IP address assignm


Following is the problem which I am facing now,

I have a subnet whose IP addressing is managed by DHCP server. But, one
system in that is intentionally assigned a static IP address. In multiple
occasions, I am now getting IP conflicts in my subnet.

On further analysing this problem, I could undertand that this probelm is
happening because,

1.  As DHCP server is un-aware of this statically configured system; upon
receiving the DHCPREQUEST from a system (which is running dhclient)
from this subnet, the DHCP server gets an unused IP from its IP pools offers
it to that client. *In somecases, dhcp server is giving the same IP address
as that of statically configured system. *

2. As on receiving the IP address, *our dhclient is not performing a final
check on the existence of IP conflict for prior received IP address using
ARP broadcast,* it goes ahead in configuring the system with this IP
address. This results in an IP conflict to exist between these two systems
(with this system and a system with statically configured IP).

*I could also see that, our debian dhclient presently DOES NOT HAVE AN
OPTION TO IMPLICITLY SUPPORT THIS.*

But as per RFC 2131,  the client should perform a final check to detect the
IP conflict and send DHCPDECLINE message. Please find the RFC snippet as in
below,


"5. The client receives the DHCPACK message with configuration
 parameters.  *The client SHOULD perform a final check on the
 parameters *(e.g., ARP for allocated network address), and notes the
 duration of the lease specified in the DHCPACK message.  At this
 point, the client is configured.  *If the client detects that the
 address is already in use (e.g., through the use of ARP), the
 client MUST send a DHCPDECLINE message* to the server and restarts
 the configuration process."


And also I could find the following information on dhclient manpage
regarding this,

"  Before actually configuring the address, dhclient-script should
somehow
   ARP for it and exit with a nonzero status if it receives a reply.
In
   this case, the client will send a DHCPDECLINE message to the server
and
   acquire a different address.   This may also  be  done  in  the
RENEW,
   REBIND,  or  REBOOT  states, but is not required, and indeed may not
be
   desirable."


As changes to DHCP server is out of our control & we are not sure on what IP
would be statically configured to the system, could you please let me know
your thoughts on how do this we can fix this in dhclient code to
automatically detect duplicate address using ARP broadcast ?

If this support this not there in present dhclient, could you please let me
know by when this the community planning to give a patch for this.

As I am in need of urgent need for fix on this issue, it would be really
helpful if I can get your thoughts on this by earliest.

Thanks a lot in advance for understanding.

Regards,
Sathya

Re: USB disk shows up late at boot

[Stan Hoeppner]

Celejar put forth on 12/21/2009 9:13 PM:

> I run desktops / laptops, and I always build netfilter - I run
> shorewall on all my boxes.

For me, the firewall is always going to be upstream of desktops in a properly
configured infrastructure.  WRT laptops, I guess it couldn't hurt to run a local
packet filter, dropping junk destined for listening daemons.

> Hm, I tend to build everything that I possibly can (that I'm building
> at all, that I plan to actually use) as modules.  Perhaps I should try
> building them into the kernel to see if there's a performance gain, but
> one reason that I like modules is that it makes for easy resetting of a
> driver - 'modprobe -r somemodule && modprobe somemodule'.  Is there
> generally a way to do this with built-in modules?

That's one reason most people like modules, and they make sense, driver modules
that is, for laptops and desktops where folks will be plugging and chugging
various hardware regularly, such as USB sticks, printers, cameras, eSATA drives,
PCMCIA cards, cardbus, etc.  Drivers can be loaded and unloaded automatically as
needed.  I build all drivers I'm likely going to need directly into my kernels.
 I include module support strictly for iptables, not drivers.  I hate initrd
kernels.  I prefer LILO not grub.  Running recent kernels with initrd and
modules can cause problems with LILO due to the initrd size.  The Lenny release
notes strongly recommend against using LILO because of this.

> I'm not sure that I understand this - how is it easier to provide a
> security fix for a standard kernel than for a custom built one?  In
> both cases, one needs to obtain fixed code, build it, and replace the
> bad code with the good.  [I'm not arguing with you, just expressing my
> confusion.] ...

Assuming the flaw is in driver code, not core kernel code, if I have all my
drivers built into the kernel at compile time, I have to rebuild everything from
source files to get the security patch included in my new kernel.  With a
prebuilt kernel or a custom kernel that uses driver modules, one should be able
to merely grab a binary only copy of the fixed driver module code, unload the
old driver module, and load the new one.  As I said, I don't run such systems,
so maybe I'm wrong here, but it seems logical that one should be able to do 
this.

> Agreed, and I get bitten by this all the time.  Worse, often I disable
> some feature that I actually need, and then spend much time and
> aggravation figuring out why something is suddenly broken ... Well, I
> guess that's part of the valuable learning process that we discussed
> earlier :/

I recently went through this on an old IDE only server that didn't have libata
or sata_sil in the kernel.  So, I compiled a new kernel with libata and
sata_sil, but didn't read the help notes thoroughly for libata.  Those notes
state that while libata enables the SCSI layer, one still needs to enable "SCSI
Disk Support" and/or "SCSI CD-ROM Support" for SATA devices to work.  I
overlooked this.  Long story short, I was very upset after installing the SATA
PCI card and new disk, the kernel enumerating them, but not assigning /dev/sdX.
 Much troubleshooting later, I found the help notes for libata in the menu,
enabled SCSI Disk, recompiled, rebooted, and voilla, I had /dev/sda.

Every time this kind of thing happens, I learn something valuable about the
kernel, and a lesson that sticks. ;)

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Re: USB disk shows up late at boot

[Celejar]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:50:15 -0600
Stan Hoeppner  wrote:

> Celejar put forth on 12/21/2009 8:22 PM:
> 
> > 1)  Faster booting, since irrelevant drivers aren't loaded and won't
> > spend time probing.
> 
> Correct.  And not just drivers.  Prebuilt kernels usually include netfilter
> support (for iptables), which increases the size of the kernel substantially,
> along with mdraid support, and some other capabilities most desktop users 
> don't
> need.  Using a custom kernel allows you to eliminate the need for an initrd,

I run desktops / laptops, and I always build netfilter - I run
shorewall on all my boxes.

> speeds up the boot process by compiling all the drivers your hardware needs
> directly into the kernel, and cuts down the kernel's memory footprint.  On

Hm, I tend to build everything that I possibly can (that I'm building
at all, that I plan to actually use) as modules.  Perhaps I should try
building them into the kernel to see if there's a performance gain, but
one reason that I like modules is that it makes for easy resetting of a
driver - 'modprobe -r somemodule && modprobe somemodule'.  Is there
generally a way to do this with built-in modules?

> current systems with multiple gigs of ram and large CPU L2/L3 caches,
> admittedly, the size of the kernel isn't a big issue for most desktop and 
> server
> class systems these days.  It most certainly is critical for embedded
> applications, where processors have relatively low performance, with tiny
> caches, and small system memories.
> 
> > 2)  Security - one of these null pointer dereferences that they keep
> > discovering can't hurt you if it's in code that hasn't been included.
> 
> This is a valid point, though others would argue the opposite, that pre 
> compiled
> kernels lacking modules can't easily have the driver code updated with a
> security fix, without compiling a new kernel.  I personally will take my 
> chances
> with my precompiled kernel.

I'm not sure that I understand this - how is it easier to provide a
security fix for a standard kernel than for a custom built one?  In
both cases, one needs to obtain fixed code, build it, and replace the
bad code with the good.  [I'm not arguing with you, just expressing my
confusion.] ...

> > 4)  Flexibility and control
> 
> Yes and no WRT flexibility.  Yes because you an choose exactly what does and
> does not go into your kernel.  No, because once it's built, if you want to 
> add a
> new hardware device later, you might have to build a new kernel.  With the
> modular prebuilt kernels, you can plug in just about anything and it'll likely
> be recognized.  Then again, there's nothing keeping one from building his/her
> own kernel and including drivers in anticipation of future needs.  The 
> downside
> to this is kernel bloat for hardware you're not using "right now".  I 
> obviously
> agree that you have more control doing your own kernel.

Agreed, and I get bitten by this all the time.  Worse, often I disable
some feature that I actually need, and then spend much time and
aggravation figuring out why something is suddenly broken ... Well, I
guess that's part of the valuable learning process that we discussed
earlier :/

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Re: USB disk shows up late at boot

[Stan Hoeppner]

Celejar put forth on 12/21/2009 8:22 PM:

> 1)  Faster booting, since irrelevant drivers aren't loaded and won't
> spend time probing.

Correct.  And not just drivers.  Prebuilt kernels usually include netfilter
support (for iptables), which increases the size of the kernel substantially,
along with mdraid support, and some other capabilities most desktop users don't
need.  Using a custom kernel allows you to eliminate the need for an initrd,
speeds up the boot process by compiling all the drivers your hardware needs
directly into the kernel, and cuts down the kernel's memory footprint.  On
current systems with multiple gigs of ram and large CPU L2/L3 caches,
admittedly, the size of the kernel isn't a big issue for most desktop and server
class systems these days.  It most certainly is critical for embedded
applications, where processors have relatively low performance, with tiny
caches, and small system memories.

> 2)  Security - one of these null pointer dereferences that they keep
> discovering can't hurt you if it's in code that hasn't been included.

This is a valid point, though others would argue the opposite, that pre compiled
kernels lacking modules can't easily have the driver code updated with a
security fix, without compiling a new kernel.  I personally will take my chances
with my precompiled kernel.

> 3)  Education - it's an unbeatable way to get a deeper knowledge of
> your system.

In the big picture, this is probably the single greatest advantage to doing
one's own custom kernel.

> 4)  Flexibility and control

Yes and no WRT flexibility.  Yes because you an choose exactly what does and
does not go into your kernel.  No, because once it's built, if you want to add a
new hardware device later, you might have to build a new kernel.  With the
modular prebuilt kernels, you can plug in just about anything and it'll likely
be recognized.  Then again, there's nothing keeping one from building his/her
own kernel and including drivers in anticipation of future needs.  The downside
to this is kernel bloat for hardware you're not using "right now".  I obviously
agree that you have more control doing your own kernel.

> Note that I'm not expert, and these are just my opinions, and may even
> be factually incorrect.

>From one non-expert to another, I agree with most of what you state.  I've been
running only custom kernels for 5+ years now (servers only) with great success
and satisfaction.

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Re: USB disk shows up late at boot

[Celejar]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:07:08 -0500
Paul Cartwright  wrote:

> On Mon December 21 2009, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > I do:  stick with your homegrown kernel.
> >
> > (From the guy who only uses custom kernels)
> 
> what would I gain from using a custom kernel, what would it take to 
> make/install one, ( a how-to?).
> for a "regular" desktop user, web, email... what advantage is there??

Many argue, not much, but I can see the following:

1)  Faster booting, since irrelevant drivers aren't loaded and won't
spend time probing.

2)  Security - one of these null pointer dereferences that they keep
discovering can't hurt you if it's in code that hasn't been included.

3)  Education - it's an unbeatable way to get a deeper knowledge of
your system.

4)  Flexibility and control

Note that I'm not expert, and these are just my opinions, and may even
be factually incorrect.

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Re: USB disk shows up late at boot

[Celejar]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:07:08 -0500
Paul Cartwright  wrote:

> On Mon December 21 2009, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > I do:  stick with your homegrown kernel.
> >
> > (From the guy who only uses custom kernels)
> 
> what would I gain from using a custom kernel, what would it take to 
> make/install one, ( a how-to?).

GIYF, but it's not that complicated, although there are quite a lot of
'gotchas'.  Basically:

1)  Download some source - either some linux-source package, or vanilla
from kernel.org (via http or git)

2)  From the appropriate directory, run make menuconfig (or xconfig or
whatever you prefer) and configure appropriately

3)  Run (as root, or using fakeroot) 'make-kpkg [--initrd]
[--revision=revisionstring] kernel_image'

4)  Run 'dpkg -i kernelname'

If you're using an initrd, you'll need to install the appropriate hook
scripts.  Read the README.gz and other documentation.

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Re: USB disk shows up late at boot

[Paul Cartwright]

On Mon December 21 2009, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> I do:  stick with your homegrown kernel.
>
> (From the guy who only uses custom kernels)

what would I gain from using a custom kernel, what would it take to 
make/install one, ( a how-to?).
for a "regular" desktop user, web, email... what advantage is there??

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Re: USB disk shows up late at boot

[Andrew Reid]

On Monday 21 December 2009 15:52:29 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have 2 internal ATA HDD's and 2 disks in external USB enclosures.
>
> When you boot (this is Sid) the 2 USB disks report their presence
> between the messages:
>
> 'Loading, please wait...'
> and
> 'Init 2.86 booting'
> in the very beginning of the boot process.
>
> Now the funny part: in my homegrown kernel both show up together. But
> with recent Debian kernel images only one shows up. I have a delay of 10
> secs. in initramfs-tools but that makes no difference.
>
> The 2nd USB disk shows up eventually, but after 'Init 2.86 booting' when
> it is too late to be of use by fstab.
>
> This isn't the first time I've asked this, but nobody seems to have an
> answer.

  It's likely the devices aren't being recognized in the initramfs --
possibly they require kernel modules which are not present by default.

  If you know which modules drive these devices, add them by name 
to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (one module per line, I think), and
re-generate your initramfs with update-initramfs.  This should allow
the udev scan in the initramfs to see the devices, and set them
up earlier. 

  "Init 2.86 booting" is a very important milestone in the boot 
process, it marks the transition from initramfs activity to 
root file-system activity.  Anything you want to do *before* that
has to be in the initramfs.

  Or, as the other responder mentioned, you can just stick with 
a custom kernel.  I used to do that, but I like getting security
updates.

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torrents for testing

[M. Milanuk]

Hello,

I'm curious... are there any torrents out there for testing/squeeze? 
For whatever reason the d/l link for even the netinst.iso image is 
fairly slow (thank goodness its only a net install image!)  I realize 
its a bit of a moving target, but maybe a weekly update or something?


TIA,

Monte


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Re (2): xorg.conf for vesa

[peasthope]

Date:   Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:50:09 + (UTC), Camaleon wrote,
> Section "Device"
>   Identifier  "Configured Video Device"
>   Driver  "vesa"
> EndSection
> 
> And restart X.

Yields a black screen.

> Review the xorg log to reassure vesa driver is the one being loaded.

Xorg.0.log.old is visible here.
  http://carnot.yi.org/Xorg.0.log.dalton
The ".old" name extension caused trouble for my browser.

The most grave complaint I see is
  (WW) VESA(0): Unable to estimate virtual size
although 640x400 should work on any VESA display.

Any further ideas welcome; thanks, ... Peter E.


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Re: USB disk shows up late at boot

[Stan Hoeppner]

Hugo Vanwoerkom put forth on 12/21/2009 2:52 PM:

> This isn't the first time I've asked this, but nobody seems to have an
> answer.

I do:  stick with your homegrown kernel.

(From the guy who only uses custom kernels)

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Re: Debian Etch Install

[Stan Hoeppner]

Kevin Ross put forth on 12/21/2009 2:13 PM:

> Many systems don't have wired Ethernet, but may have wireless.

Most systems have wired ethernet.  Few have _only_ wireless.  Most laptops have
both.  I'd venture to guess that the few that only have wireless are the tiny
netbooks.  Actually, just checked at Bestbuy, and out of 74 netbook make/models,
only the Nokias don't have wired ethernet, all the rest do.  The Nokias forgo a
wired controller chip for a 3G network chip/modem.

My whole point in this thread has been that if one has an 802.11 adapter that's
not natively supported by the Debian net installer, then the next option is to
use a wired adapter that is, not to go to CD/DVD install media as the second
option.  Then everyone jumped on the band wagon with excuses and scenarios of
why they can't do wired.  I called BS.  You know why?  About 5 billion ethernet
ports have been installed worldwide.  That's almost one jack per person on the
planet.  Even today, wired connections are far more ubiquitous than wireless
connections, thought the trend is obviously moving toward wireless.

Sure, for some, in some circumstances, it may be slightly inconvenient to grab a
wired connection to do your install.  Is that less convenient that buying a
supported wireless adapter in the first place?  If you want total convenience
and universal compatibility, use MS Windows.

As for the embedded stuff like arm, those aren't user PCs, so they don't count
in this thread.  For embedded/process control systems, those usually aren't
going to be connected to the net anyway.  They'll be connected to a CNC machine
or the maintenance control network on an Airbus A380.

Finally, if people are smart, and plan before their purchase, they're going to
buy Debian supported hardware in the first place, so they don't run into this 
issue.

Installing from CD/DVD media should be an absolute last resort, when all other
avenues are closed.  In the case of the netbooks, you will absolutely have to do
a net install, or buy and external CD/DVD USB drive, as they don't have internal
media drives.

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Re: xorg.conf for vesa

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:45:51 -0800, peasthope wrote:

> The problem with X and the Intel 82815 Chipset Graphics Controller is
> expanding.  A mouse pointer is no longer visible.
> 
> Can anyone offer an xorg.conf which will ensure that the vesa driver is
> used rather than the current default driver.

You only need adding this section:

***
Section "Device"
Identifier  "Configured Video Device"
Driver  "vesa"
EndSection
***

And restart X.

Review the xorg log to reassure vesa driver is the one being loaded.

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xorg.conf for vesa

[peasthope]

Folk,

The problem with X and the Intel 82815 Chipset Graphics 
Controller is expanding.  A mouse pointer is no longer visible.

Can anyone offer an xorg.conf which will ensure that the 
vesa driver is used rather than the current default driver.

Thanks,  ... Peter E.



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Windows 7 for U!

[Susan]

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Re: can't install laser driver supplied as rpm

[Steve Kleene]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:31:20 -0500, I wrote:

> However, when I try to install this
>   apt-get -V install xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb
> it fails as follows

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:35:16 -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI replied:

> To install .debs you use dpkg -i .deb, not apt-get.

Thank you, that worked fine, and I even used to know that.  Apparently my
brain went on a sympathy strike with my VMware XP client, which had been
putting up blue screens of death when confronted with a new USB laser.  I'll
be testing the Linux driver and also a network connection from the VM.

At Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:33:52 + (UTC), noela...@gmail.com wrote:

> If it's a PostScript based printer, you can just extract the
> corresponding PPD file ("Xerox_Phaser_6280DN.ppd" in your case) and
> install it with Cups. No need to install the rpm package at all.

Thanks.  I hadn't been aware of that option.


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USB disk shows up late at boot

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

I have 2 internal ATA HDD's and 2 disks in external USB enclosures.

When you boot (this is Sid) the 2 USB disks report their presence 
between the messages:


'Loading, please wait...'
and
'Init 2.86 booting'
in the very beginning of the boot process.

Now the funny part: in my homegrown kernel both show up together. But 
with recent Debian kernel images only one shows up. I have a delay of 10 
secs. in initramfs-tools but that makes no difference.


The 2nd USB disk shows up eventually, but after 'Init 2.86 booting' when 
it is too late to be of use by fstab.


This isn't the first time I've asked this, but nobody seems to have an 
answer.


Hugo


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RE: Debian Etch Install

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Stan Hoeppner [mailto:s...@hardwarefreak.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:38 AM
> 
> Your scenario is bogus, because all semi-modern PCs have wired ethernet.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!

Well, my laptop has a broken Ethernet port.  I could go and spend money on a
USB Ethernet device, but the only time I ever need it is when doing a fresh
OS install.  Otherwise the internal wi-fi has done me well on this machine.

There are many cases of installs on older hardware, since Linux doesn't need
the latest hardware to run well.  Older hardware doesn't have built-in
Ethernet, in many cases.

There are times you don't have convenient access to a wired Ethernet outlet,
especially in corporate environments.

Debian is installable on a dozen different architectures, including small
embedded systems with ARM processors.  Many systems don't have wired
Ethernet, but may have wireless.


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Re: Debian Etch Install

[Brian Ryans]

Quoting Stan Hoeppner on 2009-12-20 15:35:26:
> Local media installs are for pussies, or masochists. ;)

Or those lacking a decent network connection from where the machine will
primarily be used. :)

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RE: VDPAU? Sound when watching DVB-S2?

[Kevin Ross]

-Original Message-
> From: lee [mailto:l...@yun.yagibdah.de]
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:23 AM
> 
> Apparently, mplayer is supposed to be able to use vdpau, and 'mplayer
> -vo help' lists it. But when telling it to use it, CPU load during
> playback isn't lower than with kaffeine: I doubt that mplayer does
> actually use vdpau --- or if it does, then why is the CPU load still
> high? How can I tell for sure if mplayer does use vdpau?
> 
> > Don't know about the rest.
> 
> Hm. Is mplayer eventually able to play HDTV with sound? I couldn't get
> it to work with the TV card at all because I couldn't find out what
> the format of the channels.conf it needs is and how to create one.

Mplayer most definitely supports VDPAU, I use it myself all the time.  The
one in debian-multimedia, in the testing repository.  You need to use a -vc
option as well as a -vo option.  Put this in your ~/.mplayer/config:

vc=ffh264vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,
vo=vdpau

I also added these for DTS and AC3 passthrough via SPDIF (you may need to
change "default" to something else):

ao=alsa:device=default
ac=hwdts,hwac3,

I'm not at home right now, so I can't tell you what the exact output from
mplayer is when it's using VDPAU, but it does tell you in its output when
it's using it.

As for using mplayer with a TV tuner card, I tried it once about a year ago
to test out the card, before I set up MythTV.  The channels.conf file can be
generated by the "scan" command from the dvb-apps package.

Hope this helps!
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Re: can't install laser driver supplied as rpm

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:31:20 -0500, Steve Kleene wrote:

> I'm running Lenny and trying to install the manufacturer's Linux driver
> for a Xerox Phaser 6280DN color laser printer.  The driver is supplied
> as a tar, which unpacks to a single rpm file:

(...)

> I am able to list the contents of the rpm
> 
>   rpm -qlp Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm ->
> /usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280DN.ppd.gz
> /usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280DT.ppd.gz
> /usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280N.ppd.gz
> 
> I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to install this driver.  Thanks.


If it's a PostScript based printer, you can just extract the 
corresponding PPD file ("Xerox_Phaser_6280DN.ppd" in your case) and 
install it with Cups. No need to install the rpm package at all.

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Re: Debian Etch Install

[Tom H]

> Any PC, desktop or laptop (or server), built in the last 6+ years has built-in
> wired ethernet. (If yours don't have it, you went _way_ out of your way to 
> find
> machines without it) So, in your scenario, instead of throwing your hands up
> crying "I can't net install because the wireless cards aren't supported by the
> installation kernel", you'd jack into one of the switch ports on the back of
> your little consumer broadband wireless router (all of which have at least 1
> wired ethernet port for configuration purposes--if you bought one without a
> wired port, forgive me for saying so, but you're brain dead or a masochist).
> You do the net install over the wired connection, then grab what you need to 
> get
> the wireless going.
>
> Your scenario is bogus, because all semi-modern PCs have wired ethernet. Here
> in the US you can't buy one without wired ethernet, haven't been able to for
> years. All the motherboards have it built in for Pete's sake. Our PCs are made
> in China, same as yours, so you've got the wired ethernet built into your
> machines just as we do.
>
> Please don't even bother responding. Either you are lying about your scenario
> to make a point, in which case you're an idiot. Or, you're telling the truth
> about your scenario, in which case, again, you're an idiot. Responding will
> only make you look more so.

Calling people idiots is not particularly polite or useful...

Two scenarios:

1. One of my neighbours uses my wireless router (and pays for the
privilege). She therefore only has wifi access to the internet.

2. I had a short contract at a company where everyone connected to the
network through wifi. Crazy but...


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Re: can't install laser driver supplied as rpm

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

Steve Kleene wrote:
> I'm running Lenny and trying to install the manufacturer's Linux driver for a
> Xerox Phaser 6280DN color laser printer.  The driver is supplied as a tar,
> which unpacks to a single rpm file:
>
>   Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
>
> I ran
>
>   alien --to-deb --scripts Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
>
> which completed without error, making
>
>   xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb
>
> However, when I try to install this
>
>   apt-get -V install xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb
>
> it fails as follows
>
>   Reading package lists... Done
>   Building dependency tree
>   Reading state information... Done
>   E: Couldn't find package xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb
>   

To install .debs you use dpkg -i .deb, not apt-get.

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can't install laser driver supplied as rpm

[Steve Kleene]

I'm running Lenny and trying to install the manufacturer's Linux driver for a
Xerox Phaser 6280DN color laser printer.  The driver is supplied as a tar,
which unpacks to a single rpm file:

  Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

I ran

  alien --to-deb --scripts Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

which completed without error, making

  xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb

However, when I try to install this

  apt-get -V install xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb

it fails as follows

  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree
  Reading state information... Done
  E: Couldn't find package xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb

The package is right in the working directory, and I copied and pasted the
file name to make sure there were no typos.

It appears that installing the rpm may fail too.  I tried

  rpm --test -ivh Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

and got

  error: Failed dependencies:
  /bin/sh is needed by Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch

I of course do have /bin/sh, which is linked to bash.

I am able to list the contents of the rpm

  rpm -qlp Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm ->
/usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280DN.ppd.gz
/usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280DT.ppd.gz
/usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280N.ppd.gz

I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to install this driver.  Thanks.


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Re: rsync hangs on big transfer Debian 5.0.3 pulling from WinXP SP3/ Cygwin 1.5.25

[Christopher Faylor]

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 09:50:02AM -0800, Wayne Davison wrote:
>On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:37 PM, David Christensen
> wrote:
>> I'm having trouble with rsync invoked on Debian 5.0.3 pulling files from
>> Windows XP SP3/ Cygwin 1.5.25.
>
>If this is not a daemon connection, then it's probably the cygwin
>pipe-hang bug.  I have heard that a more modern cygwin (such as 1.7)
>has this fixed.

It's not completely fixed but it should work better.

cgf


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Re: rsync hangs on big transfer Debian 5.0.3 pulling from WinXP SP3/ Cygwin 1.5.25

[Wayne Davison]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:37 PM, David Christensen
 wrote:
> I'm having trouble with rsync invoked on Debian 5.0.3 pulling files from
> Windows XP SP3/ Cygwin 1.5.25.

If this is not a daemon connection, then it's probably the cygwin
pipe-hang bug.  I have heard that a more modern cygwin (such as 1.7)
has this fixed.

..wayne..


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Re: rolling-back, reverting system upgrades?

[Tixy]

On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 16:03 +, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:

> You can also use the fabulous facility of snapshot.debian.net to get
> specific resources from a particular time in the past. 


It doesn't look like snapshot.debian.net has been updated for a long
while. When I last got pointed there, the latest version of the package
I wanted was 18 months old.

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Re: rolling-back, reverting system upgrades?

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Liviu Andronic wrote:
> How would I roll back system upgrades? I am using Debian testing and

Just roll back your last working backup. If you don't have a working
backup you should consider implementing a backup system, NOW. It's not
mainly update problems, where backups come handy.

As others have pointed out, if you haven't run 'aptitude clean' or
something similar, since you installed the package in question, the
'old' version of  should still be somewhere in
/var/cache/apt/archives

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Re: rolling-back, reverting system upgrades?

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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>  With all due respect, if you aren't prepared to deal with
> occaisional breakage, then you should be running testing.

s/should/should not/

;-)

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Re: rolling-back, reverting system upgrades?

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

On 21/12/09, Andrew Sackville-West (and...@farwestbilliards.com) wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:43:53AM +, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> > In other words, if you update the package info and upgrade some
> > packages that come with breakages, you're doomed to start hunting for
> > a fix (in my case, this morning, without X and without internet).
> 
> This is the purpose of the testing distribution, to test packages for
> breakage so that bugs don't migrate into stable with the next
> release. With all due respect, if you aren't prepared to deal with
> occaisional breakage, then you should be running testing.

This is indeed true. If you are particularly worried about a package you
can pin it, however. 

> > In the old times with Gentoo, breakages occurred more often than
> > needed, but it was quite easy to revert an upgrade: each
> > tree---stable and testing---usually contained several, similar
> > versions of the package (much closer than in Lenny and
> > Squeeze). That meant that whenever something went wrong after a
> > package upgrade, I simply reverted to a previous minor version, got
> > on with my work and waited for a new version to pop up.
> 
> as I said above, you can often manually fix things using dpkg and the
> old debs. Sometimes you'd have to force it. But to really make this
> work, you have to keep careful tabs on what packages were upgraded and
> cause the breakage. So far as I know there is no automated way of
> doing this. 

You can also use the fabulous facility of snapshot.debian.net to get
specific resources from a particular time in the past. To assist you in
doing this you may wish to run a 
dpkg -l > installed_packages_$(date "+%d%m%Y").txt or something
so that you know what version of what you had installed previously.

Rory

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Re: Tell me 'How to download and install driver'.

[Consultores1]

> > El lun, 21-12-2009 a las 09:40 +0900, Kyuichiro Nakamura escribió:
> >> Sir,I am just started to install Debian Linux on DynaBook SS 3480.
> >> Please tell me about the method to download and install drivers,
> >> especialy about installing.
> >> Is it necessary to convert ISO image?
> >> I tried to install Debian Linux but it stopped because devices, such as
> >> CD-ROM and LAN adapter. It seems that I have to install drivers.
> >> Thank you in advance.
> >> Kyuichiro Nakamura,Yokohama Japan
> >> Tel:+81-45-823-8925
> >> q-nakam...@kne.biglobe.ne.jp
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > What i do:
> >
> > 1. i do installation by cable, connected to the Laptop.
> > 2. still connected, i install modules (drivers, using Synaptic). It
> > download and install drivers by itself.
> >
> > To know pci devices:
> >
> > As root # lspci or lsusb.
> >

El lun, 21-12-2009 a las 23:13 +0900, Kyuichiro Nakamura escribió:
> Thank you for your help.
> What is Synaptic?
> I will try by your suggestions.

Synaptic is a package manager, and it is part of Gnome desktop; i use
the net-installer (120-150 MB); the first time, i only mark the default
configurations, then, when the system has been installed, i use lspci
and/or lsusb; with it i am able to identify devices; after that,
connected by cable and using google, i can find the name of modules;
then i come back to Synaptic and look for firmware or modules.

If i have a problem, i ask here or at my first language Debian list.
fallowing the rules established to obtain the most of it, as responding
to the list, answering at botton of the message, giving enough
information, etc.



> Kyuichiro Nakamura
> Tel:+81-45-823-8925
> q-nakam...@kne.biglobe.ne.jp
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Consultores1" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Tell me 'How to download and install driver'.



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Re: calling US 800 numbers from abroad via VoIP

[jidanni]

SS> So if you dial 019-1-800-whatever, asterisk will connect to
SS> sip:1800whate...@proxy.ideasip.com.
SS> HTH. CU Sascha
Indeed it does. All I needed to do was add
# diff -r /tmp/original /etc/asterisk
diff -r /tmp/original/extensions.conf /etc/asterisk/extensions.conf
392a393
> exten => _0191800NXX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN:3...@proxy.ideasip.com,60);jidanni
diff -r /tmp/original/modules.conf /etc/asterisk/modules.conf
53,54c53,54
< noload => chan_alsa.so
< ;noload => chan_oss.so
---
> ;noload => chan_alsa.so ;jidanni
> noload => chan_oss.so   ;jidanni
diff -r /tmp/original/sip.conf /etc/asterisk/sip.conf
188a189,190
> disallow=all  ;jidanni
> allow=gsm ;jidanni


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Re: Debian Etch Install

[Consultores1]

El lun, 21-12-2009 a las 15:29 +0100, Klistvud escribió:
> Dne, 21. 12. 2009 13:38:01 je Stan Hoeppner napisal(a):
> > > while at the same
> > > time wireless is the only connectivity available at your
> > > location/work/home.
> 
> Being a non-native English speaker, I may have made myself  
> unsufficiently clear: my scenario is real-life, and by no means  
> "bogus". I do have ethernet on one of my machines and could easily buy  
> an additional PCI network card for the other one -- it's the *wireless  
> router's* ethernet ports I don't have access to. The router is shared  
> between me and my in-laws, and is located in their apartment  
> downstairs, to which I don't have unlimited access. Of course, I  
> *could* try to persuade them to let me drill holes and cables through  
> their walls and ceiling, and -- provided they gave me permission -- I  
> *could* then pay for renovating all the damage done: it's just that I  
> find the task of downloading the 4 Debian DVDs beforehand just a bit  
> easier to do ...
> 

In my honest opinion, none should justified anything against another
user in this list, simply here are exposed "questions and answers".

Please, keep your dignity intact.



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Re: Why does "man exit" talk about "rc" and "Plan 9"?

[Jochen Schulz]

Anthony Campbell:
>
> On this machine, "man exit" brings up a page about "rc" and "Plan 9". On
> another machine it just brings up "exit". I think this may be why I am
> getting error messages about "exit: too many args" from postfix on this
> machine.

I'd try to find out the name of the manpage on disk and then remove the
package it belongs to (dpkg -S).

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Re: Debian Etch Install

[Consultores1]

El lun, 21-12-2009 a las 12:45 +0100, Klistvud escribió:
> Dne, 20. 12. 2009 22:35:26 je Stan Hoeppner napisal(a):
> 
> > 
> > To be completely honest, I can't understand for the life of me why  
> > anyone would
> > install any Linux distro from local media these days.
> 
> For example, if you have an unsupported wireless card, while at the  
> same time wireless is the only connectivity available at your  
> location/work/home. It's my situation, precisely: I have no less than  
> TWO unsupported wifi cards on (both) my computers at home. A Belkin  
> that will only work via ndiswrapper, and a Broadcom 4328 that will  
> *only* work with the proprietary Broadcom driver. I have found the hard  
> way that downloading only the first Debian DVD wasn't enough  -- I  
> think both ndiswrapper (for my Belkin card) and the compiling  
> environment (for the Broadcom one) were missing, although I may be  
> wrong here, it was some time ago I did that. I suspect the net install  
> is even more stripped down?
> 

It could be resolved, if the net-install installed the base system
first , and then configuring the net; as it was in Sarge; in this case,
one could buy an unexpensive wireless card; another thing is that
apparently there are some cards that are not in need of install
firmware, but can not be configured by the net-install, as rtl-8187L and
ralink-rt73, because, they are not identified, and wireless-tools are
useless at that moment.




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Re: rolling-back, reverting system upgrades?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:43:53AM +, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> Dear all
> How would I roll back system upgrades? 

As I understnad it, generally speaking you don't. You *can* if you use
dpkg directly and still have the .deb files from the previous version
of a package lying around (/var/cache/apt/archives/). 

> I am using Debian testing and
> after I hit "Reload package info" in Synaptic, it will download the
> package versions that are current in the testing tree, and will
> completely forget the old tree (which after the update will be dubbed
> as "now"). If I perform an upgrade of a package, say a critical one,
> fglrx (video card) or broadcom (wifi), and the new version comes with
> an incompatibility that breaks my system, I currently see no way to
> revert to the old ("now") tree, the old versions where the packages
> worked just fine.
> 
> In other words, if you update the package info and upgrade some
> packages that come with breakages, you're doomed to start hunting for
> a fix (in my case, this morning, without X and without internet).

This is the purpose of the testing distribution, to test packages for
breakage so that bugs don't migrate into stable with the next
release. With all due respect, if you aren't prepared to deal with
occaisional breakage, then you should be running testing.

> In the old times with Gentoo, breakages occurred more often than
> needed, but it was quite easy to revert an upgrade: each
> tree---stable and testing---usually contained several, similar
> versions of the package (much closer than in Lenny and
> Squeeze). That meant that whenever something went wrong after a
> package upgrade, I simply reverted to a previous minor version, got
> on with my work and waited for a new version to pop up.

as I said above, you can often manually fix things using dpkg and the
old debs. Sometimes you'd have to force it. But to really make this
work, you have to keep careful tabs on what packages were upgraded and
cause the breakage. So far as I know there is no automated way of
doing this. 


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Re: Debian Etch Install

[Klistvud]

Dne, 21. 12. 2009 13:38:01 je Stan Hoeppner napisal(a):

> while at the same
> time wireless is the only connectivity available at your
> location/work/home.


Being a non-native English speaker, I may have made myself  
unsufficiently clear: my scenario is real-life, and by no means  
"bogus". I do have ethernet on one of my machines and could easily buy  
an additional PCI network card for the other one -- it's the *wireless  
router's* ethernet ports I don't have access to. The router is shared  
between me and my in-laws, and is located in their apartment  
downstairs, to which I don't have unlimited access. Of course, I  
*could* try to persuade them to let me drill holes and cables through  
their walls and ceiling, and -- provided they gave me permission -- I  
*could* then pay for renovating all the damage done: it's just that I  
find the task of downloading the 4 Debian DVDs beforehand just a bit  
easier to do ...




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Re: no dnscache-run in squeeze ?

[Julien Vehent]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:00:05 +0100, Julien Vehent 
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:17:18 +0530, Mihira Fernando
>  wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:42:02 +0100
>> Julien Vehent  wrote:
>> [snip] 
>>> 
>>> Is there any similar package that can realize local DNS resolution and
>>> caching ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Julien
>>> 
>> dnsmasq 
>> http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html
>> 
>> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/dnsmasq
> 
> 
>>From what I read, dnsmasq is not a resolver, only a forwarder with cache
> capability.
> 
> I would like my system to be independant from any ISP controlled DNS
> resolver, that's why I initially wanted to install dnscache-run.
> 
> I there anything than djbdns and bind to do dns resolution on debian ?


found my answer: unbound




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Re: no dnscache-run in squeeze ?

[Julien Vehent]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:17:18 +0530, Mihira Fernando
 wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:42:02 +0100
> Julien Vehent  wrote:
> [snip] 
>> 
>> Is there any similar package that can realize local DNS resolution and
>> caching ?
>> 
>> 
>> Julien
>> 
> dnsmasq 
> http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/dnsmasq


>From what I read, dnsmasq is not a resolver, only a forwarder with cache
capability.

I would like my system to be independant from any ISP controlled DNS
resolver, that's why I initially wanted to install dnscache-run.

I there anything than djbdns and bind to do dns resolution on debian ?


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Re: no dnscache-run in squeeze ?

[Mihira Fernando]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:42:02 +0100
Julien Vehent  wrote:
[snip] 
> 
> Is there any similar package that can realize local DNS resolution and
> caching ?
> 
> 
> Julien
> 
dnsmasq 
http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/dnsmasq



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Re: no dnscache-run in squeeze ?

[Julien Vehent]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:27:43 +0100, Thierry Chatelet 
wrote:
> On Monday 21 December 2009 13:16:38 Julien Vehent wrote:
>> Hello there,
>> 
>> I tried to install the dnscache-run package on squeeze but apparently
it
>> hasn't been included in this version.
>> 
>> http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/net/dnscache-run
>> 
>> I don't remember reading anything about this. Is it definitive removal
or
>> some temporary bug ? (or my system being funky ?)
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Julien
>> 
> 
> 
> Here:
> http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/djbdns.html
> Thierry


Got it.

> djbdns should not be part of squeeze until it is properly hardened
> against cache poisoning.  It is between 100 and 200 times easier than
> with other DNS servers.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516394

Thanks. 

Is there any similar package that can realize local DNS resolution and
caching ?


Julien


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Re: Debian Etch Install

[Stan Hoeppner]

Klistvud put forth on 12/21/2009 5:45 AM:

> For example, if you have an unsupported wireless card, while at the same
> time wireless is the only connectivity available at your
> location/work/home. It's my situation, precisely: I have no less than
> TWO unsupported wifi cards on (both) my computers at home. A Belkin that
> will only work via ndiswrapper, and a Broadcom 4328 that will *only*
> work with the proprietary Broadcom driver. I have found the hard way
> that downloading only the first Debian DVD wasn't enough  -- I think
> both ndiswrapper (for my Belkin card) and the compiling environment (for
> the Broadcom one) were missing, although I may be wrong here, it was
> some time ago I did that. I suspect the net install is even more
> stripped down?

Tell me, do either of these two machines lack an RJ45 10/100 base_T ethernet
port? (rhetorical)

Any PC, desktop or laptop (or server), built in the last 6+ years has built-in
wired ethernet.  (If yours don't have it, you went _way_ out of your way to find
machines without it)  So, in your scenario, instead of throwing your hands up
crying "I can't net install because the wireless cards aren't supported by the
installation kernel", you'd jack into one of the switch ports on the back of
your little consumer broadband wireless router (all of which have at least 1
wired ethernet port for configuration purposes--if you bought one without a
wired port, forgive me for saying so, but you're brain dead or a masochist).
You do the net install over the wired connection, then grab what you need to get
the wireless going.

Your scenario is bogus, because all semi-modern PCs have wired ethernet.  Here
in the US you can't buy one without wired ethernet, haven't been able to for
years.  All the motherboards have it built in for Pete's sake.  Our PCs are made
in China, same as yours, so you've got the wired ethernet built into your
machines just as we do.

Please don't even bother responding.  Either you are lying about your scenario
to make a point, in which case you're an idiot.  Or, you're telling the truth
about your scenario, in which case, again, you're an idiot.  Responding will
only make you look more so.

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Re: no dnscache-run in squeeze ?

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Monday 21 December 2009 13:16:38 Julien Vehent wrote:
> Hello there,
> 
> I tried to install the dnscache-run package on squeeze but apparently it
> hasn't been included in this version.
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/net/dnscache-run
> 
> I don't remember reading anything about this. Is it definitive removal or
> some temporary bug ? (or my system being funky ?)
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Julien
> 


Here:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/djbdns.html
Thierry


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no dnscache-run in squeeze ?

[Julien Vehent]

Hello there,

I tried to install the dnscache-run package on squeeze but apparently it
hasn't been included in this version.

http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/net/dnscache-run

I don't remember reading anything about this. Is it definitive removal or
some temporary bug ? (or my system being funky ?)


Thanks,
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Testing (squeeze) Xorg / kernel problem (i486)

[B. Hoffmann]

Hello Debianistas,

I've been away from this list since the etch testing days so apologies
if what's to follow has already come up and been answered.

I did a clean minimal Lenny install yesterday from the Xfce/Lxde cd,
with Xfce4 as the only desktop environment. This was working well until
I upgraded the system to Testing an hour later to get Xfce 4.6.1 mainly.

I noticed two issues on rebooting:

1.) GDM login freezes in the upper quarter of the screen (this is a Asus
widescreen monitor 1920x1080 on an Ati Rage AIW 32MB, I believe this is
the highest resolution this card supports, anyway it works in Etch on
hdb and did so before the upgrade on hda).
This could be related to the kernel, I notice freezing when booting from
2.6.30, but all seems to go well when booting from 2.6.26-2.

2.) Both kernels gives a whole batch of messages immediately on bootup
about sysfs / udev stuff being deprecated and will be removed in future
version (please update the kernel or remove... seems mostly related to
hplip). This is not critical / fatal though.

Also in resolution 1920x1080 picture is always a bit to the left,
leaving about 2 cm space on the right, but this can be cured by
switching to a lower resolution. Can this still be rectified in the new
xorg? I see no lines pertaining to monitor frequency and resolution in
the new xorg.conf.

Please copy me in to emails at this address as I'm not a current subscriber..

Thanks,

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Re: Html code for playing local flash files

[Klistvud]

Dne, 21. 12. 2009 00:03:43 je T o n g napisal(a):

Hi,

I want to play the downloaded flash.swf files in my browser. I.e., I
don't want to play them with an extra standalone player. But  
apparently

firefox refuses to play them without a proper html file.



Maybe I misunderstood your message, but I can play local flash files by  
just clicking on them (using Lenny with Gnome). I think the only thing  
I had to do to get it working was to associate flash files with  
Iceweasel in Nautilus, and that was it.


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Re: Debian Etch Install

[Klistvud]

Dne, 20. 12. 2009 22:35:26 je Stan Hoeppner napisal(a):



To be completely honest, I can't understand for the life of me why  
anyone would

install any Linux distro from local media these days.


For example, if you have an unsupported wireless card, while at the  
same time wireless is the only connectivity available at your  
location/work/home. It's my situation, precisely: I have no less than  
TWO unsupported wifi cards on (both) my computers at home. A Belkin  
that will only work via ndiswrapper, and a Broadcom 4328 that will  
*only* work with the proprietary Broadcom driver. I have found the hard  
way that downloading only the first Debian DVD wasn't enough  -- I  
think both ndiswrapper (for my Belkin card) and the compiling  
environment (for the Broadcom one) were missing, although I may be  
wrong here, it was some time ago I did that. I suspect the net install  
is even more stripped down?




Long live the net install.



I agree completely, with one addition: for those who can afford a net  
install.


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Re: calling US 800 numbers from abroad via VoIP

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello,

Am 2009-12-20 23:28:32, schrieb Chris Davies:
> jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> > My friend uses the Skype stuff, but all I want to do is make one or two
> > calls to some 800 numbers, so don't want to subscribe to anything, pay
> > any money, nor do I own a credit card.
> 
> As far as I have determined from here in the UK, Skype allows calls to
> US 1-800 numbers without charge.

Sipgate too


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rolling-back, reverting system upgrades?

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear all
How would I roll back system upgrades? I am using Debian testing and
after I hit "Reload package info" in Synaptic, it will download the
package versions that are current in the testing tree, and will
completely forget the old tree (which after the update will be dubbed
as "now"). If I perform an upgrade of a package, say a critical one,
fglrx (video card) or broadcom (wifi), and the new version comes with
an incompatibility that breaks my system, I currently see no way to
revert to the old ("now") tree, the old versions where the packages
worked just fine.

In other words, if you update the package info and upgrade some
packages that come with breakages, you're doomed to start hunting for
a fix (in my case, this morning, without X and without internet). In
the old times with Gentoo, breakages occurred more often than needed,
but it was quite easy to revert an upgrade: each tree---stable and
testing---usually contained several, similar versions of the package
(much closer than in Lenny and Squeeze). That meant that whenever
something went wrong after a package upgrade, I simply reverted to a
previous minor version, got on with my work and waited for a new
version to pop up.

To get back to my original question, is there an easy way in Debian,
with aptitude or Synaptic, to revert to the old tree after the
"package info was reloaded" (or "aptitude was updated")? Thank you
Liviu


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Re: Tomcat is only listening with ip6 and not ip4

[Alan Chandler]

Alexey Salmin wrote:

I think it's related to discussion in debian-devel:

...


Thus you should report a bug against Tomcat. Also you can replace
"net.ipv6.bindv6only=1" with "net.ipv6.bindv6only=0" in your
/etc/sysctl.d/ as a temporary solution.


Thank you for this.  I had actually heard from the Tomcat mailing list 
that a work around was to specify address="0.0.0.0" in the connector 
piece of server.xml, and I had done that


HOWEVER, I was having problems then with the application connecting to 
the backend database.  I could see that postgresql was listening on the 
ipv4 ports so didn't think this was the issue.  But when I changed the 
net.ipv6.bindv6only to 0  my application magically worked again.  My 
thoughts are that there is some interaction with libcommons-dbcp-java, 
so I think there might be a problem there.




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Re: VDPAU? Sound when watching DVB-S2?

[lee]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 04:17:52AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:40, lee  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > does the xine stuff used by kaffeine in Debian use VDPAU? If not, how
> > can I make it use VDPAU?
> 
> First you have to have the nvidia driver 180.16 or newer, and from this:

Yes, I have 195.22.

> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc1Nw
> 
> it sounds like only Xine 1.2 has VDPAU. Sid, at least, has a
> pre-release version under the name libxine2 (version 1.1.90hg+...),
> but it seems like none of the other debian packages are built
> to work with it.

Hm. There's a xine-vdpau version available --- I downloaded and
compiled it, but kaffeine needs to be compiled to work with it, and I
couldn't compile kaffeine:


l...@yun:~/Inst/vdpau/kaffeine/kaffeine-1.0-pre2$ cmake src/
CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:29 (kde4_add_executable):
  Unknown CMake command "kde4_add_executable".


CMake Warning (dev) in CMakeLists.txt:
  No cmake_minimum_required command is present.  A line of code such as

cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.8)

  should be added at the top of the file.  The version specified may be lower
  if you wish to support older CMake versions for this project.  For more
  information run "cmake --help-policy CMP".
This warning is for project developers.  Use -Wno-dev to suppress it.

-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
l...@yun:~/Inst/vdpau/kaffeine/kaffeine-1.0-pre2$


Then I googled about that error message, and I might be missing some
kde or qt things. But to get kde to work at all, I had to use one or
another package from unstable or experimental because the dependencies
in testing were broken. I'm not sure what I'm missing for compiling
kaffeine, but it seems that I might mess up things even more trying to
install those, so I gave up at that point.

Apparently, mplayer is supposed to be able to use vdpau, and 'mplayer
-vo help' lists it. But when telling it to use it, CPU load during
playback isn't lower than with kaffeine: I doubt that mplayer does
actually use vdpau --- or if it does, then why is the CPU load still
high? How can I tell for sure if mplayer does use vdpau?

> Don't know about the rest.

Hm. Is mplayer eventually able to play HDTV with sound? I couldn't get
it to work with the TV card at all because I couldn't find out what
the format of the channels.conf it needs is and how to create one.


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