Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Chris Jones]

On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 12:16:14AM EST, Lev Lvovsky wrote:

[..]

> > What makes you think so?  Have you even tried it?

> Of course I have - otherwise I wouldn't be asking the fine people on
> this list how to go about this.

> As an example, the contents of the following linux kernel image deb:
> 
> linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-21_i386.deb
> 
> Among other things, is the following structure in /boot:
> 
> ---
> % ls -la /tmp/deb/boot
> total 2492
> drwxr-xr-x 2 lev lev4096 Dec 26 04:28 .
> drwxr-xr-x 5 lev lev4096 Dec 26 04:28 ..
> -rw-r--r-- 1 lev lev  928295 Dec 26 04:28 System.map-2.6.26-2-686
> -rw-r--r-- 1 lev lev   91715 Dec 26 04:28 config-2.6.26-2-686
> -rw-r--r-- 1 lev lev 1506448 Dec 26 04:28 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686
> ---

> Unless there's some pre or post magic that goes on, these are the same
> files which are currently owned by the pre-existing (debian release
> 17) kernel package:

This is odd. 

I keep an up-to-date ubuntu partition on the side, which I boot into
every now and then, and every couple of weeks or so, the update manager
installs a new version of the kernel. I can't look now but I believe I
have something like two or three different versions of 2.6.31 at
present. Say, 2.6.31-15, 2.6.31-16, and 2.6.31-17, complete with
modules, headers and all. There would be more, if I hadn't removed a few
older versions manually to keep my grub menu to somewhat manageable
lengths.

I missed most of this thread and maybe I minusnderstand this issue, but
it looks like there must be a dpkg/apt option somewhere or other that
lets you do what you want? Unless it's a packaging option that they are
using for their kernels?

Not much help, I guess, but maybe worth taking another look at the
manuals.

CJ


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Re: Mplayer - can it play audio cd's.........

[Charlie]

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:10:22 +0200 Teemu Likonen 
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>* 2010-02-02 13:35 (+1100), Charlie wrote:
>
>> $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://track1
>>
>> gives this error message:
>
>Are you sure that the device name is correct? How about this:
>
>$ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/cdrom1 cdda://1
>

Thank you, no. it required /dev/hdb and then it worked.

Be well,
Charlie

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Re: Mplayer - can it play audio cd's.........

[Teemu Likonen]

* 2010-02-02 13:35 (+1100), Charlie wrote:

> $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://track1
>
> gives this error message:

Are you sure that the device name is correct? How about this:

$ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/cdrom1 cdda://1

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link-up link-down ethernet switch tale of woe

[briand]

Thought I would post this to debian as someone on the list or out there
in the webiverse might find it useful.

My story begins with an Intel MB with Realtek R8169 ethernet device, an
MPC55 nvidia ethernet device on a different PC and, finally, what turns
out to be a piece of sh*t linksys ethernet switch.  Everything is
supposed to be operating 1000.

I had a heck of a time with the Intel MB because Debian stable's kernel
was too old to support it properly but the unstable install did the
trick.  The other PC goes smoothly, once I give 'noapic' as a boot
param. *sigh*.

Now everything is "working" except both computers are giving me
link-up and link-down messages in /var/syslog.  NFS is going away for a
minute at time and iperf says I'm getting about 70MB/s. Well that ain't
1000 MB/s.

After looking around a bit I discover ethtool and use it to attempt to
turn auto-negotation off.  Well it seems to work on the realtek but the
forcedeth driver gives me messages that are totally inconsistent with
what it's telling me should be happening. I upgrade the install and it
becomes MORE broken. Now it's giving me errors that it didn't give me
before. So much for ethtool, it's a great idea, if it would only
work.  The distressing part is that the forcedeth is on a 3 year old
pc.  So much for the linux and old hardware meme.  Although in
fairness, I think that forcedeth is a relatively recent driver which
allows the driver to be genuine free software instead of nvidia
binary-only. A virtual beer to the device driver writer if that's the
case.

Finally I give-up and plug in both ethernet connections into my
wrt54g.  I figure reliable 100 is better than sh*t 1000.

Well that fixes the problem completely.  I'm getting reliable 100MB/s
connection (iperf says 90MB/s) without ethtool or link-up/link-down
messages.

So I order up a new switch (HP procurve 1400-8G). It arrives, I cross
my fingers and plug in the ethernet cables.  1000 lights come on and
iperf tells me I'm getting 700MB/s, solidly.  Yeah for HP, and
supposedly I've got a lifetime warranty (sorry for the commercial
message, but hey, it worked !).

I take the linksys apart, and here's where things get kind of
interesting.  Those of you who have any hardware experience with
ethernet phy's are probably aware that they typically use a 25MHz clock.
This crazy piece of dung has a 25.0006 MHz crystal.  That is not a
typo.

I've heard rumors of manufacturers overseas grabbing anything in the
way of parts so they can ship it out the door, and I _know_ they don't
test.  Too expensive, it's cheaper for you to test it. Probably happens
in the US too - I mean it would if we actually made anything anymore.

I'm really interested if anybody with some hardware experience can shed
light on the crystal I found.I even measured it in the lab and it's
25.0006MHz alright.  I'm 99% sure that it's the wrong frequency for
proper ethernet operation, but the level of incompetence that it implies
is amazing.

So morals of the story:

iperf is your friend !
Good hardware is STILL hard to find.
Give the linux drivers the benefit of the doubt (unless it's video).

HTH some poor soul who finds themself in a similar situation.

Brian


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Re: Grub boot loader?

[hadi motamedi]

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Chris Bannister <
mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 12:46:36PM +, hadi motamedi wrote:
> > Thank you for your reply .
> > - Yes , my computer boots to a login prompt .
>
> Good. Then DON"T mess with grub-install.
>
> > - When I press the 'e' key , nothing happens and after the timer expiry
> the
> > boot process will begin automatically . So I don't have chance to edit my
> > boot kernel .
> > - I don't see the grub menu . I just see the Debian logo and a timer that
> > counts down automatically .
>
> Ahhh, that might be the reason. You running splashy?
>
> > - I want to be able to edit the menu say putting it into single user mode
> by
> > adding 'single' at the end of the line , etc.
>
> I presume you want to make this change permanent. The only way to do
> that is by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst and running update-grub.
>
> You did run 'update-grub', didn't you?
>
> Editing the menu by pressing the 'e' key does not write any thing to
> menu.lst - it only allows you to change 'things' for that one boot. The
> changes are lost after that.
>
> But if you can't see the menu when you boot, how can you select "single
> user" mode anyway?  
>
> But you should already have a single user mode if you ran update-grub.
>
> What is output of:
>
> grep -v '^#' /boot/grub/menu.lst
>
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Thank you for your message .
- So I won't try for 'grub-install' .
- How can I check if it is running splashy ?
- No , I don't want to make these changes permanent . I want to change them
for that one reboot . So I want to touch grub edit menu.
- Please find below the output of grep -v '^#' /boot/grub/menu.lst :
title Debian GNU/Linux,kernel 2.4.27-2-386
root (hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro
initrd   /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-386
savedefault
boot
titleDebian GNU/Linux , kernel 2.4.27-2-386 (recovery mode)
root(hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro single
initrd   /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-386
savedefault
boot

Thank you

Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <014c08cf-fef9-4836-b77b-8a5b644c7...@sonous.com>, Lev Lvovsky wrote:
>Well, in my case, the difference between the kernel images provided by the
> following two debs:
>
>linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-17_i386.deb
>linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-21_i386.deb
>
>don't differentiate by a release as I understand it, correct?

Correct.  The package name indicates the kernel ABI--2.6.26-2-686.  Since both 
are part of stable, the changes from the former to the latter are restricted 
to security fixes and RC (release-critical) bug fixes.
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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2010 #190

[Brian Denheyer]

On Mon,  1 Feb 2010 18:18:09 + (UTC)
debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:

> And it looks like the drain just got stopped up.
> The goals of grub are laudable.  But the boot process is a very
> hardware specific thing, and trying to create a "one size fits all"
> boot loader that works on all platforms is a daunting task.
> Neither grub nor grub2 works on the s390 platform, for example.
> It uses a program called zipl as its boot loader.
> 
> If lilo works for you, and you're happy with it,
> then stick with it.  That's my advice, for what it's worth.

Sounds good to me.  I just thought that maybe lilo was no longer
maintained or had some other bit-rot related affliction.

But I installed it, and it works just fine.

There is a little strangeness with the whole initramfs might be too big
an image for your bios thing.  But i went to the debian readme and did
what it said.  More importantly the messages present when I installed
the package told me all of this so there were no surprises.

The only strange thing it did was assigned a partition as
the boot device as opposed to the boot device, i.e. /dev/sda2 instead
of /dev/sda.  minor change to /etc/lilo.conf and everything was a-ok.

So lilo works for me, and I'm happy with it :-)

Brian


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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2010 #190

[Brian Denheyer]

On Mon,  1 Feb 2010 18:18:09 + (UTC)
debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:

> I am using sid too, but I installed apt-listbugs, which told me not
> to upgrade grub-pc. So I was saved from it. Generaly I think it is a
> good idea to have apt-listbugs.
> Thierry

I don't know what apt-listbugs is, but I'm installing it :-)

Thanks for mentioning it.


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Re: Problem with Lenny

[Roman Gelfand]

I use this the virtual machine as mail gateway.  I run postfix,
sqlgrey, opendkim, senderid milter, dspam, grossd, policyd-weight.

I gave this machine 2gig of memory.  So far, so good.  I have already
used it for couple of weeks and no issues.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
> Operating systems don't run themselves out of memory.  Applications, 
> processes,
> do that.  You need to identify why your application mix is consuming more 
> memory
> than is available on the system.
>
> A couple of tips regarding virtual machines and guest operating systems:
>
> 1.  If you're constantly running out of memory, use a dedicated box
> 2.  If you're constantly running out of CPU, use a dedicated box
>
> The entire concept behind virtualization is consolidating light-medium 
> workloads
> from many physical hosts to a single (more powerful) host, and enabling system
> fault isolation--one consolidated server crashes and the rest keep running.
>
> Roman, give this VM guest Lenny the maximum amount of memory you are allowed 
> to
> assign to a single VM, after kicking all other VMs off the hypervisor, and see
> if you run out of memory.  You likely will.
>
> And it wouldn't hurt to tell us what applications/daemons/etc you're running 
> on
> this VM, since *THEY* are what's eating all the damn memory.  If you want 
> help,
> we need the details.
>
> --
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>
>
>
> Roman Gelfand put forth on 2/1/2010 11:16 AM:
>> Ran out memory.  This is my conclusion.  Originally, I had given
>> 500mb ram.   Though top was showing 300mb utilization, memstat showed
>> 1.1gig.  It seems the later is the one I was supposed to pay attention
>> to.   I am currently looking into the difference between the top's
>> memory utilization display and that of memstat.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Jeffrey Cao  wrote:
>>> On 2010-01-21, Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
 Roman Gelfand put forth on 1/20/2010 9:26 PM:
> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.00] Linux version 2.6.26-2-686
> (Debian 2.6.26-19lenny2) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3
> 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC
> 2009
> My machine freezes every so often.  I was wodering if there is any
> clues in kernel.log exerpts below.  Thanks in advance

 Define "freezes".  Post the machine brand/model/specs.

> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.00] SMP: Allowing 0 CPUs, 0 
> hotplug CPUs
> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.00] PERCPU: Allocating 37992
> bytes of per cpu data
> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.00] NR_CPUS: 8, nr_cpu_ids: 1

 This ^^ is very odd.  "Allowing 0 CPUs" is very strange.  Given that, this
 "NR_CPUS: 8" is even more strange.
>>> "NR_CPUS: 8" is not a strange thing. It's the number of CPUs that the kernel
>>> supports, not the CPUs existed in the machine.
>>>
>>> config NR_CPUS
>>>    int "Maximum number of CPUs" if SMP && !MAXSMP
>>>    range 2 8 if SMP && X86_32 && !X86_BIGSMP
>>>    range 2 512 if SMP && !MAXSMP
>>>    default "1" if !SMP
>>>    default "4096" if MAXSMP
>>>    default "32" if SMP && (X86_NUMAQ || X86_SUMMIT || X86_BIGSMP || 
>>> X86_ES7000)
>>>    default "8" if SMP
>>>    ---help---
>>>      This allows you to specify the maximum number of CPUs which this
>>>       kernel will support.  The maximum supported value is 512 and the
>>>      minimum value which makes sense is 2.
>>>
>>>       This is purely to save memory - each supported CPU adds
>>>      approximately eight kilobytes to the kernel image.
>>>

> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.004000] Memory: 598724k/614336k
> available (1770k kernel code, 14940k reserved, 750k data, 244k init,
> 0k highmem)

 Also very strange ^^

 According to that above, your system has 0 smp cpus, but it has 8 cpus, 
 and only
 one of those 8 has an ID.  This also says you have ~600MB of system memory.
 There is no physical combo of DIMMs that yields 600MB so we can assume you 
 have
 motherboard video chip and the BIOS is assigning system RAM for the frame
 buffer.  But on a modern system, why do you have so little RAM installed?

 Unfortunately the system information provided by kern.log is incomplete.  
 Please
 post output from dmesg so we can get a more complete picture of your 
 system.
 Your kern.log info alone is not enough to diagnose what is causing your 
 system
 to "freeze".  Something to consider is that kernel issues usually cause 
 panics,
 not freezes.  If your system is freezing, or "hard locking", this is 
 usually a
 sign of:

 1.  A thermal issue
 2.  Defective hardware
 3.  Hardware compatibility mismatch

 For comparison to your kern.log, I have a two CPU system, each a single 
 core CPU:

 Jan 20 01:59:42 greer kernel: found SMP MP-table at [c00f5b90] f5b90
 Jan 20 01:59:42 greer kernel: SMP

Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Lev Lvovsky]

Hi Boyd,

On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> New upstream versions, or any version that changes the kernel ABI will be 
> retained (or at least can be simply retained), since the kernel ABI will be 
> in 
> the new package name--it is a replacement only as far as relatively weak 
> dependencies are concerned.
> 
> For example, your Lenny kernel will be retained when/if you get a kernel from 
> Squeeze (e.g. during a release-time upgrade).  You can install the Lenny, 
> Squeeze and Sid kernels side-by-side with some ease currently.

This makes perfect sense.

> If there is a Lenny-and-a-half "release", it might have a kernel with a new 
> ABI.  (The Etch-and-a-half "release" did.)  If that is the case, installing 
> the "Lenny-and-a-half kernel" and the "Lenny kernel" concurrently will also 
> be 
> quite easy.

Well, in my case, the difference between the kernel images provided by the 
following two debs:

linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-17_i386.deb
linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-21_i386.deb

don't differentiate by a release as I understand it, correct?

> You could.  Since the kernel ABI determines module compatibility, modules for 
> the new kernel would work with the old one it is was not assigned a package 
> name.

OK, this is good to know.

thanks for your help!
-lev

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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Lev Lvovsky]

Stefan,

On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> So assuming that I only have stable + security in my apt sources.list
>> config, how would I manage to keep the older version of the kernel
>> package, as well as the newest version?
> 
> Huh... you install the new kernel.

My thought too, but that doesn't work - the older version is removed.

> 
>> 'apt-get install' will remove the binaries from the previously
>> installed kernel package.
> 
> What makes you think so?  Have you even tried it?

Of course I have - otherwise I wouldn't be asking the fine people on this list 
how to go about this.

As an example, the contents of the following linux kernel image deb:

linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-21_i386.deb

Among other things, is the following structure in /boot:

---
% ls -la /tmp/deb/boot
total 2492
drwxr-xr-x 2 lev lev4096 Dec 26 04:28 .
drwxr-xr-x 5 lev lev4096 Dec 26 04:28 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 lev lev  928295 Dec 26 04:28 System.map-2.6.26-2-686
-rw-r--r-- 1 lev lev   91715 Dec 26 04:28 config-2.6.26-2-686
-rw-r--r-- 1 lev lev 1506448 Dec 26 04:28 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686
---

Unless there's some pre or post magic that goes on, these are the same files 
which are currently owned by the pre-existing (debian release 17) kernel 
package:

---
% dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |grep "/boot"
/boot
/boot/config-2.6.26-2-686
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686
/boot/System.map-2.6.26-2-686
---

So like I said in my initial email, *concurrent* installs of kernel packages 
doesn't seem feasible by just installing the next kernel handed to me by 
apt-get.  To be explicit, by concurrent, I mean that I could boot into both - 
release 17, and 21 - via the boot loader.  As it stands, if I were to install 
the linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-21_i386.deb package, I would be only able 
to boot to release 21.

-lev

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Re: [SOLVED] wicd fails to start after upgrade

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20100202014934.ga11...@herbx.tri>, Sebastian wrote:
>I ended up backing up my most important conf-files and home dirs and
>re-installing Lenny from netinst. Then I pulled in wicd and another
>few things from backports. At the end I added testing to the
>sources.list as I do my bookkeeping using ledger which isn't in
>backports and I didn't manage to compile from source either and set up
>apt-pinning to prefer stable, followed by the backports and with
>testing with very low pinning-priority at the end so that packages
>installed from backports don't get automatically upgraded to the
>testing-versions.

While this has been successful for me, keep in mind that developers don't 
really test packages that are in testing to see how well / if they run with 
any / all of their dependencies satisfied with stable packages.  (If they *do* 
that work, they generally prepare a version of the package for backports.)

Something similar can be said for stable package having their dependencies 
satisfied by something from testing.  That means that a mixed stable / testing 
system (or any mixture that involved both stable and testing) is only 
marginally more supported than pulling packages from a non-official source.

This all means that it is possible to run into some unique breakage for your 
mix of packages.  Bugs should only be filed when they can be found in a pure-
oldstable (security bugs only), pure-stable (RC or security bugs only), pure-
testing (only during a freeze; bugfixes should normally come through 
unstable), or pure-unstable setting.

For reproducing bugs on one of those systems without dedicated hardware, 
there's a number of virtualization / emulation technologies in the Debian 
repositories.  Also, there is pbuilder (and variants like cowbuilder) to 
automate the building of a minimal Debian environment (normally in a chroot).
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Re: Mplayer - can it play audio cd's.........

[Charlie]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:11:04 -0500 (EST) Stephen Powell
 shared this with us all:

>On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:35:39 -0500 (EST), Charlie wrote:
>> Now I have sound working, though I might listen to an audio CD. Yeah
>> right. Missing something again. Can't get an audio CD playing with
>> Totem.
>> 
>> I've never used Mplayer but though it can read hardrive audio files
>> and play them it can't play audio CD's or won't mount them on my
>> system, and being audio files I can't manually mount them either.
>> 
>> Googled and found some stuff, but nothing that would help.
>> 
>> Using Debian Squeeze 2.6.32-trunk-686
>> 
>> $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://track1
>> 
>> gives this error message:
>> 
>> MPlayer SVN-r30075 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team
>> Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
>> Can't init input joystick
>> mplayer: could not connect to socket
>> mplayer: No such file or directory
>> Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote
>> control.
>> 
>> Playing cdda://track1.
>> The start option must be an integer: track1
>> Option hostname: Error while parsing m_span parameter start (track1)
>> Struct cdda, field hostname parsing error: track1
>> Can't open CDDA device.
>> Failed to open cdda://track1.
>> 
>> 
>> Exiting... (End of file)
>> 
>> Could anyone please let me know what I might put into
>> ~/.mplayer/config to possibly make this work?
>
>I'm no expert on mplayer.  In fact, I don't think I've ever used it.
>But it looks to me like it's trying to do something with your joystick!
>Don't ask me why.
>
>Personally, I like cdplay.  It's part of the cdtool package.
>It's also a command line tool.  The thing I like most about cdplay
>is that it's extremely efficient.  It just sends the "play" command
>to the CD drive and then terminates.  The CD drive itself does the
>digital to analog conversion itself and sends an analog audio signal
>directly to your sound card.  No digital data is transferred across
>the bus.
>
>Most modern media players "rip"
>the audio data from the CD drive as digital data and then send it to
>the sound card.  That gives you more flexibility if you want to
>extract audio to your hard drive.  But if all you want to do is listen
>to a music CD, cdplay is an excellent tool.  It does require that
>there be an audio cable between your CD drive and your sound card,
>though.  And the CD channel in Alsamixer must be unmuted and turned
>up.  Since this is an analog input signal, it may not be adjustable by
>the master volume control, depending on your audio chipset.  The CD
>volume control may operate independently of the master volume control.
>
>Other useful commands in the cdtool package are cdstop, cdeject,
>etc.

Thanks Stephen,

It comes up in my search as:

wmcdplay

and I have an Acer laptop that I use as a desktop [we only have solar
power] so not certain there is a cable connection? Usually not included
in laptops I think, but will give it a larrup.

Thank you,
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Re: losing xmodmap settings during X startup

[Joey Morris]

Anthony Campbell  wrote on Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 
09:13:41AM +:
> On 31 Jan 2010, Joey Morris wrote:
> > I start my X session with startx, and lately I've noticed that some
> > (but not all) of my .Xmodmap settings are being lost once my X session
> > is up. I think this behavior started sometime in the past month or two.
> > 
> [snip] 
> 
> I also use startx, with Icewm. I encountered problems with ~/.Xmodmap
> some time ago. I solved it by trying out various /usr/bin/xmodmap
> commands on the command line and when I got them working I put them in
> .xinitrc. I no longer use ~/.Xmodmap.

Thanks. I tried removing the line that loads .Xmodmap from my .xinitrc
and replacing it with direct calls to xmodmap -e, but that didn't
help. Just like my method of loading .Xmodmap, the modifier map is
correct immediately after the calls to xmodmap -e, but once the window
manager is up and I have an xterm, the modifier map is wrong. It looks
like the keysym command survives, but something moves that second
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Re: Mplayer - can it play audio cd's.........

[Celejar]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:11:04 -0500 (EST)
Stephen Powell  wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:35:39 -0500 (EST), Charlie wrote:

...

> > $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://track1
> > 
> > gives this error message:
> > 
> > MPlayer SVN-r30075 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team
> > Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
> > Can't init input joystick
> > mplayer: could not connect to socket
> > mplayer: No such file or directory
> > Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote
> > control.

...

> I'm no expert on mplayer.  In fact, I don't think I've ever used it.
> But it looks to me like it's trying to do something with your joystick!
> Don't ask me why.

Standard and harmless, AFAIK.  I see that too, but the app works fine.

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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <01b9c640-493c-4d1b-ba0f-20aed4b20...@sonous.com>, Lev Lvovsky wrote:
>On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>>> This is totally understandable for most package installs, however with a
>>> kernel, keeping the previous version installed is useful (obviously).
>>
>> It's usually not a big deal when the kernel ABI hasn't changed.
>>
>> If you have a strong desire to keep every kernel version around, you'll
>> have to go outside the official packages.  From what I understand, the
>> Debian provided tools to build kernel packages can handle this easily, but
>> I've not tried it myself.
>
>Well, currently the only desire I have is to keep the version of the kernel
> which I currently have installed, as well as whatever debian has available
> as the "latest".  If I understand, this requires that I build each of these
> kernels?

New upstream versions, or any version that changes the kernel ABI will be 
retained (or at least can be simply retained), since the kernel ABI will be in 
the new package name--it is a replacement only as far as relatively weak 
dependencies are concerned.

For example, your Lenny kernel will be retained when/if you get a kernel from 
Squeeze (e.g. during a release-time upgrade).  You can install the Lenny, 
Squeeze and Sid kernels side-by-side with some ease currently.

If there is a Lenny-and-a-half "release", it might have a kernel with a new 
ABI.  (The Etch-and-a-half "release" did.)  If that is the case, installing 
the "Lenny-and-a-half kernel" and the "Lenny kernel" concurrently will also be 
quite easy.

>I'm assuming also, that I could make copies of the binaries dropped into
> /boot, upgrade, and tell my boot loader to also reference the "old" files. 
> This of course assumes that modules and such are compatible in between the
> different versions (which is dubious).

You could.  Since the kernel ABI determines module compatibility, modules for 
the new kernel would work with the old one it is was not assigned a package 
name.

Kernel breakage to the point of "I can't boot" is nearly unheard of when the 
upgrade does not touch the kernel ABI or for any kernel upgrade that gets 
pushed to stable ("stable-and-a-half" or not).  So, I'm a little confused as 
to exactly what you are trying to do.
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Re: Mplayer - can it play audio cd's......... solved....

[Charlie]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:47:42 -0500 Celejar  shared
this with us all:

>I've never done this, but it looks like 'track' ought to be an
>integer.  What happens when you try
>
>$ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://1
>
>Celejar

Thank you Celejar,

It appears that mplayer can't mount the device? Just to be certain, I
have changed the ownership of the device to "user" just in case it was
the problem, though it has never been a problem with anything else.

$ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://1

Error message:

MPlayer SVN-r30075 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team
Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
Can't init input joystick
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote
control.

Playing cdda://1.
Can't open CDDA device.
Failed to open cdda://1.


Exiting... (End of file)

So tried: $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/hdb cdda://1

Using the actual device name worked. So that might be the case with
Totem as well?

Thanks for your time and input.
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Re: Mplayer - can it play audio cd's.........

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:35:39 -0500 (EST), Charlie wrote:
> Now I have sound working, though I might listen to an audio CD. Yeah
> right. Missing something again. Can't get an audio CD playing with
> Totem.
> 
> I've never used Mplayer but though it can read hardrive audio files and
> play them it can't play audio CD's or won't mount them on my system,
> and being audio files I can't manually mount them either.
> 
> Googled and found some stuff, but nothing that would help.
> 
> Using Debian Squeeze 2.6.32-trunk-686
> 
> $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://track1
> 
> gives this error message:
> 
> MPlayer SVN-r30075 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team
> Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
> Can't init input joystick
> mplayer: could not connect to socket
> mplayer: No such file or directory
> Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote
> control.
> 
> Playing cdda://track1.
> The start option must be an integer: track1
> Option hostname: Error while parsing m_span parameter start (track1)
> Struct cdda, field hostname parsing error: track1
> Can't open CDDA device.
> Failed to open cdda://track1.
> 
> 
> Exiting... (End of file)
> 
> Could anyone please let me know what I might put into ~/.mplayer/config
> to possibly make this work?

I'm no expert on mplayer.  In fact, I don't think I've ever used it.
But it looks to me like it's trying to do something with your joystick!
Don't ask me why.

Personally, I like cdplay.  It's part of the cdtool package.
It's also a command line tool.  The thing I like most about cdplay
is that it's extremely efficient.  It just sends the "play" command
to the CD drive and then terminates.  The CD drive itself does the
digital to analog conversion itself and sends an analog audio signal
directly to your sound card.  No digital data is transferred across
the bus.

Most modern media players "rip"
the audio data from the CD drive as digital data and then send it to the
sound card.  That gives you more flexibility if you want to extract audio
to your hard drive.  But if all you want to do is listen to a music
CD, cdplay is an excellent tool.  It does require that there be an audio
cable between your CD drive and your sound card, though.  And the CD
channel in Alsamixer must be unmuted and turned up.  Since this is
an analog input signal, it may not be adjustable by the master volume
control, depending on your audio chipset.  The CD volume control may
operate independently of the master volume control.

Other useful commands in the cdtool package are cdstop, cdeject,
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Re: Mplayer - can it play audio cd's.........

[Celejar]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:35:39 +1100
Charlie  wrote:

...

Note - in my experience (FWIW - I'm no expert) the answer to any question with 
the words 'mplayer' and 'can' is 'yes'.

...

> $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://track1
> 
> gives this error message:

...

> Playing cdda://track1.
> The start option must be an integer: track1
> Option hostname: Error while parsing m_span parameter start (track1)
> Struct cdda, field hostname parsing error: track1
> Can't open CDDA device.
> Failed to open cdda://track1.

I've never done this, but it looks like 'track' ought to be an
integer.  What happens when you try

$ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://1

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Mplayer - can it play audio cd's.........

[Charlie]

Now I have sound working, though I might listen to an audio CD. Yeah
right. Missing something again. Can't get an audio CD playing with
Totem.

I've never used Mplayer but though it can read hardrive audio files and
play them it can't play audio CD's or won't mount them on my system,
and being audio files I can't manually mount them either.

Googled and found some stuff, but nothing that would help.

Using Debian Squeeze 2.6.32-trunk-686

$ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/media/cdrom1 cdda://track1

gives this error message:

MPlayer SVN-r30075 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team
Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
Can't init input joystick
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote
control.

Playing cdda://track1.
The start option must be an integer: track1
Option hostname: Error while parsing m_span parameter start (track1)
Struct cdda, field hostname parsing error: track1
Can't open CDDA device.
Failed to open cdda://track1.


Exiting... (End of file)

Could anyone please let me know what I might put into ~/.mplayer/config
to possibly make this work?

TIA
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Re: Problem with Lenny

[Stan Hoeppner]

Operating systems don't run themselves out of memory.  Applications, processes,
do that.  You need to identify why your application mix is consuming more memory
than is available on the system.

A couple of tips regarding virtual machines and guest operating systems:

1.  If you're constantly running out of memory, use a dedicated box
2.  If you're constantly running out of CPU, use a dedicated box

The entire concept behind virtualization is consolidating light-medium workloads
from many physical hosts to a single (more powerful) host, and enabling system
fault isolation--one consolidated server crashes and the rest keep running.

Roman, give this VM guest Lenny the maximum amount of memory you are allowed to
assign to a single VM, after kicking all other VMs off the hypervisor, and see
if you run out of memory.  You likely will.

And it wouldn't hurt to tell us what applications/daemons/etc you're running on
this VM, since *THEY* are what's eating all the damn memory.  If you want help,
we need the details.

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Roman Gelfand put forth on 2/1/2010 11:16 AM:
> Ran out memory.  This is my conclusion.  Originally, I had given
> 500mb ram.   Though top was showing 300mb utilization, memstat showed
> 1.1gig.  It seems the later is the one I was supposed to pay attention
> to.   I am currently looking into the difference between the top's
> memory utilization display and that of memstat.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Jeffrey Cao  wrote:
>> On 2010-01-21, Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
>>> Roman Gelfand put forth on 1/20/2010 9:26 PM:
 Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [0.00] Linux version 2.6.26-2-686
 (Debian 2.6.26-19lenny2) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3
 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC
 2009
 My machine freezes every so often.  I was wodering if there is any
 clues in kernel.log exerpts below.  Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Define "freezes".  Post the machine brand/model/specs.
>>>
 Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [0.00] SMP: Allowing 0 CPUs, 0 
 hotplug CPUs
 Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [0.00] PERCPU: Allocating 37992
 bytes of per cpu data
 Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [0.00] NR_CPUS: 8, nr_cpu_ids: 1
>>>
>>> This ^^ is very odd.  "Allowing 0 CPUs" is very strange.  Given that, this
>>> "NR_CPUS: 8" is even more strange.
>> "NR_CPUS: 8" is not a strange thing. It's the number of CPUs that the kernel
>> supports, not the CPUs existed in the machine.
>>
>> config NR_CPUS
>>int "Maximum number of CPUs" if SMP && !MAXSMP
>>range 2 8 if SMP && X86_32 && !X86_BIGSMP
>>range 2 512 if SMP && !MAXSMP
>>default "1" if !SMP
>>default "4096" if MAXSMP
>>default "32" if SMP && (X86_NUMAQ || X86_SUMMIT || X86_BIGSMP || 
>> X86_ES7000)
>>default "8" if SMP
>>---help---
>>  This allows you to specify the maximum number of CPUs which this
>>   kernel will support.  The maximum supported value is 512 and the
>>  minimum value which makes sense is 2.
>>
>>   This is purely to save memory - each supported CPU adds
>>  approximately eight kilobytes to the kernel image.
>>
>>>
 Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [0.004000] Memory: 598724k/614336k
 available (1770k kernel code, 14940k reserved, 750k data, 244k init,
 0k highmem)
>>>
>>> Also very strange ^^
>>>
>>> According to that above, your system has 0 smp cpus, but it has 8 cpus, and 
>>> only
>>> one of those 8 has an ID.  This also says you have ~600MB of system memory.
>>> There is no physical combo of DIMMs that yields 600MB so we can assume you 
>>> have
>>> motherboard video chip and the BIOS is assigning system RAM for the frame
>>> buffer.  But on a modern system, why do you have so little RAM installed?
>>>
>>> Unfortunately the system information provided by kern.log is incomplete.  
>>> Please
>>> post output from dmesg so we can get a more complete picture of your system.
>>> Your kern.log info alone is not enough to diagnose what is causing your 
>>> system
>>> to "freeze".  Something to consider is that kernel issues usually cause 
>>> panics,
>>> not freezes.  If your system is freezing, or "hard locking", this is 
>>> usually a
>>> sign of:
>>>
>>> 1.  A thermal issue
>>> 2.  Defective hardware
>>> 3.  Hardware compatibility mismatch
>>>
>>> For comparison to your kern.log, I have a two CPU system, each a single 
>>> core CPU:
>>>
>>> Jan 20 01:59:42 greer kernel: found SMP MP-table at [c00f5b90] f5b90
>>> Jan 20 01:59:42 greer kernel: SMP: Allowing 2 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs
>>> Jan 20 01:59:42 greer kernel: NR_CPUS:2 nr_cpumask_bits:2 nr_cpu_ids:2 
>>> nr_node_ids:1
>>>
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Re: wicd fails to start after upgrade **Correction**

[Wayne]

Wayne  wrote:




Sebastian



Glad you got it going!!!


I just finished setting up another testing box with wireless, an
old Netgear WPN311 pci card.  Using the madwifi ath5k modules.

I installed wicd 1.7.0-2 and, after fixing some of my usual typo's,
it is running as good as the old 1.6 version.


On testing and sid on a 32 bit 686 system wicd 1.7.0-2 is working with
the 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 trunk kernels.  It does not work, for me anyway,
on the 64 bit testing & sid box.  I had to revert to wicd 1.6 and the 
2.6.30 kernel to get it back on the 64bit box.


It seems that I can not compile the madwifi drivers when using the 
2-6-32 trunk kernels on the 64 bit testing partition.  The kernel seems 
to be lacking something.  That is in testing.  Grub2 has messed up the 
booting so I can't check it out in 64bit stable or sid partitions until 
I can de-grub that system.  	


Rather then switch to lilo, I think I will set up kubunto on a spare
200 Gig partition ans see why they don't have as many problems as I have 
had lately.


Regards

Wayne


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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Stefan Monnier]

> So assuming that I only have stable + security in my apt sources.list
> config, how would I manage to keep the older version of the kernel
> package, as well as the newest version?

Huh... you install the new kernel.

> 'apt-get install' will remove the binaries from the previously
> installed kernel package.

What makes you think so?  Have you even tried it?


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[SOLVED] wicd fails to start after upgrade

[Sebastian]

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:08AM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20100130114447.ga2...@hexbrex.tri>, Sebastian wrote:
> >On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 02:36PM -0500, Wayne  wrote:
> >> >Even if I remove the unstable and stable entries from sources.list and
> >> >apt/preferences no other versions show up
> >>
> >> I would not put all 3 dists in sources.list.  That could/would cause
> >> quite some mess.  testing/unstable is bad enough but you should be
> >> careful using it.
> >
> >I thought if you set up apt-pinning in /etc/apt/preferences that
> >should be possible without any major problems?
> 
> You've got to remember a few things when running a mixed system:
> 
> 1. Debian policy is to maintain the ABI for libraries that keep the same 
> SONAME, but sometimes packages headed for unstable/experimental break this, 
> usually unintentionally.  If it is an important library, this can really mess 
> with your system stability (i.e. lack of crashes).
> 
> 2. Downgrades are not supported, and can't really be.  Once you've pulled in 
> a 
> package from testing/unstable you can't go back, and as that package has new 
> version released, it may gradually need more dependencies from 
> testing/unstable.  For some packages you can PURGE and then reinstall a lower 

Right. We're back on route...

Thanks very much to you, Boyd and Wayne, your input got me on the
right track. Boyd's answer was very informative for me, I wasn't aware
that downgrading isn't really supported. I'll be much more careful
from now on I suppose, thanks a mil, Boyd! Wayne's post tought me 
the use of 'apt-cache policy' and I gained some insights about
apt-pinning. Thanks, Wayne!

I ended up backing up my most important conf-files and home dirs and
re-installing Lenny from netinst. Then I pulled in wicd and another
few things from backports. At the end I added testing to the
sources.list as I do my bookkeeping using ledger which isn't in
backports and I didn't manage to compile from source either and set up
apt-pinning to prefer stable, followed by the backports and with
testing with very low pinning-priority at the end so that packages
installed from backports don't get automatically upgraded to the
testing-versions.

Everything works like it did before (actually even better). The only
thing left is my graphics-adapter (SIS 671/771) which isn't
supported... - Blame SIS!

Thanks again, everybody, for all your help!

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Re: Postscript: Grub2 in current Squeeze

[PETER EASTHOPE]

Sorry for the absence of thread connection.  This mailer doesn't 
provide In-reply-to.

FromView message header detail Tom H  
DateMonday, February 1, 2010 12:08
> The OP said that his error was "BIOS Installed Successfully", which
> must mean that his box had a hardware upgrade/change and that could
> easily make any boot loader, linux/unix/windows/apple, lose its
> bearings.

From: Stephen Powell 
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010 12:30
> Well, if the OP really was performing a BIOS upgrade, then yes,
> you're right of course.  

Sorry everyone.  The BIOS report is from the SCSI adapter.  
I should have refrained from mention of it in the original message.
Reference  http://carnot.yi.org/Console.jpg

FromView message header detail Tom H  
DateMonday, February 1, 2010 11:43
> You have to chroot your squeeze install and (1) run grub-install for
> /boot/grub to be populated afresh from /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc and stage
>1 and stage 2 to be created and set up and (2) run update-grub.

The Lenny installer CD comes to this screen.
"Rescue operations

Execute a shell in /dev/hda1"
chroot isn't mentioned but I assumed it's there.

In any case, grub-install and update-grub appeared to run 
properly.  Yet rebooting led to the same black screen and 
repeated reboots!  Bad drive?

FromView message header detail Stephen Powell  
DateMonday, February 1, 2010 12:30
> I just think [grub]'s too unstable for production use at this time.

I'm not a software engineer but would have expected that, 
by now, criteria are available to assess release readiness.
For example, the ISO 9000 family, might be relevant.

Thanks for any further ideas,  ... Peter E.


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Re: Setting bootable flag on partition non-interactively.

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:14:55 -0500 (EST), Tim Legg wrote:
> Hello all,
> Any suggestions on how to set a bootable flag non-interactively?

  sfdisk -A 

See the man page for sfdisk for details.
For example,

  sfdisk -A 1 /dev/hda

will mark the first partion on /dev/hda active and mark all other partitions 
inactive.
sfdisk is part of the util-linux package.


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Re: Sound - none happening.......

[Charlie]

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:50:18 +1100 Charlie wrote:

># alsamixergui
>
>what shows?  ("master," "pcm," "front," "surro," "center," etc.?)
>
>thx. 

I must apologise to you - you had the right idea regarding that the
appropriate ("master," "pcm," "front," "surro," "center," etc.?) may be
muted, but as I mentioned to Florian, I had no idea how to access the
MM or that MM meant mute.

So thank you for the solution, I was just too thick to know what to do
about it.

Be well,
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Re: Sound - none happening.......

[Charlie]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:45:05 +0100 Florian Kulzer
 shared this with us all:

>It seems that you have muted all your playback channels ("[off]"), so I
>am not too surprised that you do not hear anything. You have to unmute
>at least "Master" and "PCM", possibly other channels as well. Try
>
>  amixer set Master unmute
>  amixer set PCM unmute
>
>for a start.
>
>You can also use "alsamixer" interactively while you run speaker-test
>so that you will hear the effects of your changes immediately. (In
>alsamixer, use CURSOR LEFT/RIGHT to select a channel, CURSOR UP/DOWN to
>change the volume, M to mute/unmute, and ESC to exit.)

You're probably sick of me telling you that you're a legend Florian, so
I won't do it again - this time.

I thought that the sliders were sufficient to move up and have sound
working. I didn't realise that the MM was mute, or how to access the
control to them anyway. So thank you for that as well.

But I have to wonder why alsamixer makes it so you can't hear sound,
mute the mixer by default? Shouldn't the default be unmute? That's
probably just me though.

Thank you again, and for previous help again, your time and
perseverance are not trivial and very much appreciated.

I am Listening to Iz - "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" as I type out my
gratitude.

Stay well,
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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Lev Lvovsky]

Hi Stefan,

On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:

 What if any is the generally accepted way of maintaining multiple
 versions of kernels?
>>> Hmm... well, the wayu I do it is: I install multiple kernels.
>>> That's all there is to it.
>>> Any reason you're wondering about it?  Have you tried something and
>>> bumped into problems?
> 
>> Are you doing this simply with 'apt-get', or are you using other
>> commands as well?
> 
> For example, yes.

So assuming that I only have stable + security in my apt sources.list config, 
how would I manage to keep the older version of the kernel package, as well as 
the newest version?  'apt-get install' will remove the binaries from the 
previously installed kernel package.

thanks,
-lev

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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Lev Lvovsky]

On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> 
>> This is totally understandable for most package installs, however with a
>> kernel, keeping the previous version installed is useful (obviously).
> 
> It's usually not a big deal when the kernel ABI hasn't changed.
> 
> If you have a strong desire to keep every kernel version around, you'll have 
> to go outside the official packages.  From what I understand, the Debian 
> provided tools to build kernel packages can handle this easily, but I've not 
> tried it myself.
> 

Well, currently the only desire I have is to keep the version of the kernel 
which I currently have installed, as well as whatever debian has available as 
the "latest".  If I understand, this requires that I build each of these 
kernels?

I'm assuming also, that I could make copies of the binaries dropped into /boot, 
upgrade, and tell my boot loader to also reference the "old" files.  This of 
course assumes that modules and such are compatible in between the different 
versions (which is dubious).

There has to be a better way...

thanks for your help!
-lev

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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Stefan Monnier]

>>> What if any is the generally accepted way of maintaining multiple
>>> versions of kernels?
>> Hmm... well, the wayu I do it is: I install multiple kernels.
>> That's all there is to it.
>> Any reason you're wondering about it?  Have you tried something and
>> bumped into problems?

> Are you doing this simply with 'apt-get', or are you using other
> commands as well?

For example, yes.


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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 01 February 2010 16:39:15 Lev Lvovsky wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > On Monday 01 February 2010 14:00:07 Lev Lvovsky wrote:
> >> What if any is the generally accepted way of maintaining multiple
> >> versions of kernels?
> >
> > Just install each of their packages separately.  Since the kernel team
> > does support concurrent installs, the upstream version number is part of
> > the package name:
> 
> I'll admit ignorance on this one - I'm unable to find anything other than
>  just linux-image-2.6.26 and its variants.

I have stable(+volatile+security), backports, testing(+security), unstable, 
and experimental visible to my APT[1] which is why so many are available to 
me.

Each of those usually only has 1-2 upstream kernel versions available at any 
one time.

>  More specifically, I'm unable
>  to glean any more information than just the major versions of the package
>  as it is to be installed.  Upon performing something like 'apt-get install
>  linux-image-2.6.26-2-686', I won't seemingly be able to keep the
>  *currently* installed version of the kernel, and instead, it will simply
>  do an upgrade.

Yes.  That's working as deigned.  Some of the files installed by a Debian 
kernel package have a path that only contains the kernel ABI (e.g. 
"2.6.26-2").  You couldn't safely install two packages (or package versions) 
that contained the same files.

For example the package "linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64" has a version in stable 
(2.6.26-21) and stable-security (2.6.26-19lenny2).  Installing either one will 
replace (not preserve) the other because both put modules under 
/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64.

> This is totally understandable for most package installs, however with a
>  kernel, keeping the previous version installed is useful (obviously).

It's usually not a big deal when the kernel ABI hasn't changed.

If you have a strong desire to keep every kernel version around, you'll have 
to go outside the official packages.  From what I understand, the Debian 
provided tools to build kernel packages can handle this easily, but I've not 
tried it myself.

> I'm not sure if the procedure would involve only downloading via apt-get,
>  and then running dpkg on the .deb file itself.

If it where two different packages with Conflicts dependences, dpkg would 
complain and you could force it, but it would break the old one.  Since it is 
the same package (name) but different package versions, dpkg will 
automatically upgrade/replace and not preserve the old one.

[1] Don't do this.  I've done it for years, but every DD I've mentioned it to 
assures me it will at least blow up your system and may actually rip the 
fabric of space-time asunder.
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[This isn't really on topic for -user or -devel; please send followup
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Debian has a booth at the SCALE 8x conference in Los Angeles at the
Westin LAX from the 20th to the 21st of February.

I'm organizing the booth again, but I need additional people to help
answer questions and participate in the booth.

I plan on having some burned DVDs and CDs to hand out, but additional
ideas for demos and/or presentations would be really awesome.

If you can help out (even for just a few hours), please mail me
privately giving your name, your association with Debian,[1] the times
that you can work, and your registration number from filling out a
"Full Access Pass" at https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/reg7/ [I'll
complete the process, so don't pay for your ticket.]


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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Lev Lvovsky]

Hi Stephen,

On Feb 1, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> One must be careful, though.  As an example, consider the following
> Debian package file names:
> 
>   linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19_i386.deb
>   linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19lenny2_i386.deb
> 
> These package files have different file names, but they are different 
> revisions
> of the same package.  When installed, they will both have the package name
> 
>   linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
> 
> And the boot images, initial RAM disk images, and library modules will have
> the same names in the same directories.  The only way I know to install
> two different revisions of the same stock kernel package name on the same 
> machine
> at the same time is to have two different boot partitions.
> If you're building custom kernels you can get around this problem by using
> something like the --append-to-version flag of make-kpkg.  But when using
> stock kernel images this is not an option.

I think this is the problem that I'd be running into.

In Red Hat, you get a list of kernel package names which have the distro 
release version in the name of the package so that you can have multiple 
packages of the "same" kernel installed at the same time.  I'd be shocked if it 
were so hard to do on Debian, but I can't for the life of me figure it out...

-lev

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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Lev Lvovsky]

Hi Stefan,

On Feb 1, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> What if any is the generally accepted way of maintaining multiple
>> versions of kernels?
> 
> Hmm... well, the wayu I do it is: I install multiple kernels.
> That's all there is to it.
> Any reason you're wondering about it?  Have you tried something and
> bumped into problems?

Are you doing this simply with 'apt-get', or are you using other commands as 
well?

I've only got the stable and security apt repos in my sources.list file, so I'm 
note sure if I'm opening myself up to all of the versions of the kernel 
available.

thanks,
-lev

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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Lev Lvovsky]

Hi Boyd,

On Feb 1, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> On Monday 01 February 2010 14:00:07 Lev Lvovsky wrote:
>> What if any is the generally accepted way of maintaining multiple versions
>> of kernels?
> 
> Just install each of their packages separately.  Since the kernel team does 
> support concurrent installs, the upstream version number is part of the 
> package name:

I'll admit ignorance on this one - I'm unable to find anything other than just 
linux-image-2.6.26 and its variants.  More specifically, I'm unable to glean 
any more information than just the major versions of the package as it is to be 
installed.  Upon performing something like 'apt-get install 
linux-image-2.6.26-2-686', I won't seemingly be able to keep the *currently* 
installed version of the kernel, and instead, it will simply do an upgrade.

This is totally understandable for most package installs, however with a 
kernel, keeping the previous version installed is useful (obviously).

I'm not sure if the procedure would involve only downloading via apt-get, and 
then running dpkg on the .deb file itself.

thanks!
-lev

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Re: setting sensor limits fails

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:40:52 -0500 (EST), Klistvud wrote:
> Well, IIUC, the sensors also trigger the overheating circuits in your  
> laptop, so there is more than just a theoretical possibility to fry  
> your laptop if your sensors are disabled. Just try leaving your laptop  
> running on a thick carpet, and accidentally throw a warm jacket/coat  
> over it ...

I don't pretend to know anything about this, but isn't there
internal circuitry present in the machine that will automatically
shut the machine down if it gets too hot?  I'm thinking of older
operating systems, such as DOS for example, that generally didn't
have any kind of sensor management software built in.  Being
able to manage that kind of thing in an operating system is a nice
feature, but I'm not sure if it's essential for safe operation.
It seems to me that if the machine were designed properly it
would have some default operating characteristics that it will fall
back on if it is not being managed by an operating system.

For example, "If the temperature is below threshold 1, turn the
fan off.  If it is above threshold 1, turn the fan on low.
If it is above threshold 2, turn the fan on medium.  If it is
above threshold 3, turn the fan on high.  If it is above
threshold 4, shut the machine off.  At least that is how one would
hope it would work.


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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Stefan Monnier]

> What if any is the generally accepted way of maintaining multiple
> versions of kernels?

Hmm... well, the wayu I do it is: I install multiple kernels.
That's all there is to it.
Any reason you're wondering about it?  Have you tried something and
bumped into problems?


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Re: Changing from ADSL Modem to Router

[Jorge A. Secreto]

2009/10/27 David Baron :
> I connect now through pptp. The computer sends the login and a cron job
> attempts to keep the connection. Various files in /etc/ppp/peers have login
> info and some options.
>
> How do I change to a router (the router logs in and tries to keep the
> connection)?

Not related to debian but, for a reference, www.adslayuda.com can help.
Even though in spanish.


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Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:14:36 -0500 (EST), Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Monday 01 February 2010 14:00:07 Lev Lvovsky wrote:
>> What if any is the generally accepted way of maintaining multiple versions
>>  of kernels?
> 
> Just install each of their packages separately.  Since the kernel team does 
> support concurrent installs, the upstream version number is part of the 
> package name:
>
> p   linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64  - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64
> i A linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64  - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64
> p   linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64  - Linux 2.6.29 image on AMD64
> p   linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64  - Linux 2.6.30 image on AMD64
> p   linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64  - Linux 2.6.30 image on AMD64
> p   linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64  - Linux 2.6.30 image on AMD64
> i A linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64  - Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs
> 
> There's also a version-tracking package "linux-image-amd64".  It doesn't have 
> the upstream version as part of it's name, but only exists to simply pull in 
> the appropriate real package.

One must be careful, though.  As an example, consider the following
Debian package file names:

   linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19_i386.deb
   linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19lenny2_i386.deb

These package files have different file names, but they are different revisions
of the same package.  When installed, they will both have the package name

   linux-image-2.6.26-2-686

And the boot images, initial RAM disk images, and library modules will have
the same names in the same directories.  The only way I know to install
two different revisions of the same stock kernel package name on the same 
machine
at the same time is to have two different boot partitions.
If you're building custom kernels you can get around this problem by using
something like the --append-to-version flag of make-kpkg.  But when using
stock kernel images this is not an option.


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Tixy]

On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 15:55 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Tixy  writes:
> > I can move windows vertically too - that's what I do to get to menu
> > buttons on my EEEPC 1000HE running Debian Squeeze with the Gnome
> > Desktop. (I'm sure it was the same when I ran Lenny.)
> For sure, me too, but only when they have already been resized, at
> least to some extent so that their overall size is alpha * beta, where
> alpha > 1, and beta is their original size, i.e. iff they have been
> resized positively (i.e. augmented). But if they are already
> minimized, it appears to me to be impossible to reduce them further. 

I think we may be talking about different things, and misunderstanding
each other. I was meaning to talk about moving the position of a window
on the screen, not changing it's size.

If the buttons in a window are below  the bottom of the screen, I move
the whole window up so the buttons are visible. This will cause the top
part of a window to no longer be visible, as it is now off the top of
the screen, but I can click on buttons I need to.

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Re: setting sensor limits fails

[Klistvud]

Dne, 01. 02. 2010 18:56:03 je António PT napisal(a):


I don't think this should be a threat to your laptop, the sensors  
only read
temperature (and other data) they don't interfere with the working of  
the
CPU, hard drive or other components. I think you have no reasons to  
worry.




Well, IIUC, the sensors also trigger the overheating circuits in your  
laptop, so there is more than just a theoretical possibility to fry  
your laptop if your sensors are disabled. Just try leaving your laptop  
running on a thick carpet, and accidentally throw a warm jacket/coat  
over it ...


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Re: Sound - none happening.......

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 17:11:52 +1100, Charlie wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:14:25 +0100 Florian Kulzer shared this with us all:
> >On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 22:55:51 +1100, Charlie wrote:
> >> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:23:01 +0100 Florian Kulzer shared this with us all:
> >> >On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 15:04:10 +1100, Charlie wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> Always had trouble getting sound to work with Debian, never had it
> >> >> working with Squeeze, though I might see if I could get it going
> >> >> again:
> >> >> 
> >> >> Acer 3614WLCi laptop
> >> >> 
> >> >> $ lspci | grep -i audio
> >> >> 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 
> >> >> 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)

[ snip: kernel modules loaded, order of cards, etc. all seem to be OK ]

> aplay -lL
> 
> default:CARD=ICH6
> Intel ICH6, Intel ICH6
> Default Audio Device

[...]

>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: ICH6 [Intel ICH6], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH6]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: ICH6 [Intel ICH6], device 4: Intel ICH - IEC958 [Intel ICH6 -
> IEC958] Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 1: pcsp [pcsp], device 0: pcspeaker [pcsp]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 2: Modem [Intel ICH6 Modem], device 0: Intel ICH - Modem [Intel
> ICH6 Modem - Modem] Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

That looks OK, too.

> amixer
> 
> Simple mixer control 'Master',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 15 [48%] [-24.00dB] [off]
>   Front Right: Playback 15 [48%] [-24.00dB] [off]
> Simple mixer control 'Master Mono',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined
>   Playback channels: Mono
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
>   Mono: Playback 15 [48%] [-24.00dB] [off]
> Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 15 [48%] [-12.00dB] [off]
>   Front Right: Playback 15 [48%] [-12.00dB] [off]

[...]

It seems that you have muted all your playback channels ("[off]"), so I
am not too surprised that you do not hear anything. You have to unmute
at least "Master" and "PCM", possibly other channels as well. Try

  amixer set Master unmute
  amixer set PCM unmute

for a start.

You can also use "alsamixer" interactively while you run speaker-test so
that you will hear the effects of your changes immediately. (In
alsamixer, use CURSOR LEFT/RIGHT to select a channel, CURSOR UP/DOWN to
change the volume, M to mute/unmute, and ESC to exit.)

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Re: File format decoding tool?

[Celejar]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:00:42 +0200
Juhana Sadeharju  wrote:

> 
> Does GNU/Linux have a tool for decoding file formats?

What does this mean?
 
> I have seen Nifskope, TES4Edit, PyFFI, and wonder if
> similar is available for decoding with interactive GUI.
> Check screenshots.

What screenshots?

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Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos

[Celejar]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:12:47 -0500 (EST)
Stephen Powell  wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:16:03 -0500 (EST), Klistvud wrote:
> > In all honesty, is there anybody over the mental age of 9 that actually  
> > "enjoys" flash???
> 
> I hate it too.  But as with most things in life, it all comes down to
> money.  The bottom line is, "it sells".  Or at least the Madison Avenue
> types think that it does.  The whole goal of advertising is to get
> your attention.  And from their point of view, even negative attention is
> better than no attention.  And from their point of view, making the web
> page non-functional without flash is a good thing.  That forces you to
> view the ads, which increases their revenue.

But don't forget that Google, a company for which the selling of
advertising is its raison d'être, has thrived on its signature small,
unobtrusive, text-link ads, rather than huge, annoying, garish Flash
monstrosities.

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Re: Any way to create a new /var/lib/dpkg/status file for current Debian installation

[Tech Geek]

>
> Jeffrey,
>
> >Don't know if there's automatic way. But one way you can try is to write a
> >script to remove those sections whose "Status" is not "installed" in the
> >file /var/lib/dpkg/status.
> I thought about that but I wondering if APT package management has some
> in-built way to do it automatically. The "status" file is an important file
> in Debian package managment system so I would prefer something from
> maintainers rather than running my home brewed script.
>
> Thanks for the reply though.
>

Re: concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 01 February 2010 14:00:07 Lev Lvovsky wrote:
> What if any is the generally accepted way of maintaining multiple versions
>  of kernels?

Just install each of their packages separately.  Since the kernel team does 
support concurrent installs, the upstream version number is part of the 
package name:

p   linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64  - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64
i A linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64  - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64
p   linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64  - Linux 2.6.29 image on AMD64
p   linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64  - Linux 2.6.30 image on AMD64
p   linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64  - Linux 2.6.30 image on AMD64
p   linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64  - Linux 2.6.30 image on AMD64
i A linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64  - Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs

There's also a version-tracking package "linux-image-amd64".  It doesn't have 
the upstream version as part of it's name, but only exists to simply pull in 
the appropriate real package.

> This is also to keep 'apt-get upgrade' from finding anything else pending.

You could pin the version-tracking package.
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Re: Grub boot loader?

[Celejar]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 02:22:11 +1300
Chris Bannister  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 08:27:54AM +, hadi motamedi wrote:
> > Thank you for your message . So you mean I can make use of it to activate my
> > grub edit w/o any problem?
> 
> That all depends on what your problem is that you are trying to solve.
> 
> Is your computer booting to a login prompt?
> 
> Pressing the 'e' key *should* alow you to edit the menu entry. What
> happens when you press 'e'?
> 
> Are you seeing the menu? If not what are you seeing?

I have no idea if this is relevant to the OP's problem, but in any
event, for the archives:

I once was terribly frustrated by the failure of the grub keys (b, e,
p) to do what they were supposed to do.  I eventually realized the
problem: I use a dvorak keymap, both in the console and in X, but grub
was using qwerty ...

[A quick Google^WYahoo finds this way to get grub to use dvorak:

http://bobbens.dyndns.org/files/grub-dvorak.lst]

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Setting bootable flag on partition non-interactively.

[Tim Legg]

Hello all,

Any suggestions on how to set a bootable flag non-interactively?



Reason:

I am creating a kiosk that restores itself from a saved image every time
the machine is booted.  This system is very minimal; the partitions are
quite small.  The image of the 2nd partition is stored as a file on a 3rd
partition.

I envision the machine completing these steps.
1.  Boot from 1st partition.
2.  Do housekeeping (i.e. run dd to restore a partition saved as a file on
a 3rd partition.)
3.  Set 2nd partition as bootable, 1st partition as non-bootable.
4.  Reboot, It boots from 2nd partition.
5.  Set 1st partition as bootable, 2nd partition as non-bootable.
6.  User operates kiosk using 2nd partition until it is shutdown.

This is actually a kiosk that keeps a partition image on a 3rd partition. 
This image is restored to the 2nd partition.  This ensures the system is
consistent every time the employee boots the computer.

Caveats:

*  Is it damaging to toggle the bootable flag on a partition that is
currently mounted, or merely 'impolite' (i.e. bad practice)?


Tim Legg


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Re: Postscript: Grub2 in current Squeeze

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:08:24 -0500 (EST), Tom H wrote:
> Your regular rants against grub are entertaining. :)

I wouldn't call it a rant.  I have nothing personal against grub-pc,
per se.  I hope they are eventually successful in their project.
I just think it's too unstable for production use at this time.
You of course are entitled to disagree if you like.

> The OP said that his error was "BIOS Installed Successfully", which
> must mean that his box had a hardware upgrade/change and that could
> easily make any boot loader, linux/unix/windows/apple, lose its
> bearings.

Well, if the OP really was performing a BIOS upgrade, then yes,
you're right of course.  But I would think that if the OP really
was performing a BIOS upgrade that he would say so.  It seems to
be a very significant and relevant detail.  (Then again, you'd be
surprised what people try to hide when they ask for help sometimes.)

I must confess I glossed over that and figured he must have meant
"BIOS data check successful" or something like that.  I've never
known a debian upgrade to upgrade the BIOS.  And from his description,
the messages only stay on the screen for an instant.  He may not
have transcribed it right.  But theoretically you're right.
If he really was performing a BIOS upgrade and it didn't go right,
then any boot loader may have trouble booting.  On the other hand,
he did report that he was able to boot successfully from the
Lenny install CD.


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Re: `asnprintf.c:18:20' error message during stsrttls installation

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-02-01 19:54 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Sven Joachim  writes:
>
>> Yes, installing gnulib should help.
>
>
> It seems that the installation of starttls wants to create me some problems.  
> I
> installed gnulib, but `make' gets the following error:
>
>  asnprintf.c:18:20: error: config.h: No such file or directory

config.h is #included by asnprintf, it should have been generated by the
`configure' script.  You probably had better discuss this with the
starttls developers.

Sven


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concurrent installs of previous + current kernels

[Lev Lvovsky]

What if any is the generally accepted way of maintaining multiple versions of 
kernels?  I'm currently experiencing boot problems with the latest version of 
the kernel, and must keep version 2.6.26-17 installed.  I'd like to install 
this, and the latest concurrently so that I can experiment with booting to the 
newer version, as well as jump back to the older version if I need to.

This is also to keep 'apt-get upgrade' from finding anything else pending.

thanks,
-lev

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Re: Postscript: Grub2 in current Squeeze

[Tom H]

>> My usual email isn't available until Grub works again.
>> Yes, updating a system via a remote connection is probably not advisable.
>> Attempting to run aptitude to reinstall grub from the rescue mode system
>> gives this message.
>> Error opening terminal: bterm
>> How might this damage be repaired.

> There have been many threads recently about grub-pc boot problems,
> including an advisory not to update grub-pc in apt-listchanges
> during the upgrade itself.

> No doubt the grub fans out there will give me flak for saying this;
> but honestly, if it were me, I'd install lilo and forget about
> grub, at least for a while.  Once you upgrade you can't easily
> go back.  You either wait for the bug to be fixed, or you try a
> tricky and unsupported installation of a back-level package, or
> you install something else.  In this case the solution is to install
> something else. That's what I did.

Your regular rants against grub are entertaining. :)

The OP said that his error was "BIOS Installed Successfully", which
must mean that his box had a hardware upgrade/change and that could
easily make any boot loader, linux/unix/windows/apple, lose its
bearings.


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Re: Squeeze: gnome-screensaver starts when watching movies

[Jan Hlodan]

Totem works fine, so it seems that the problem is only in smplayer.
(disable screensaver option is enabled in both)
Regards,


On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:05:45 +0100, Jan Hlodan wrote:
>
>> when I'm watching a movie (in smplayer, full screen), screensaver
>> starts. I set: screensaver will start after 10 minutes of inactivity +
>> password required.
>> But screensaver is really annoying when watching movies...
>
> SMPlayer has an option to disable screensaver while watching movies. It's
> under Preferences / Video (tab).
>
> Additional info (see comment #18):
>
> Mplayer -stop-xscreensaver doesn't work with gnome-screensaver
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer/+bug/6620
>
> Greetings,
>
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Re: Downgrading xorg xserver from 1.7 to 1.6

[Andreas]

Matteo Riva schrieb:
> Squeeze upgrade broke fglrx driver with the new xserver.
> 
> How can I downgrade the xserver from 1.7.4 back to 1.6.5 when fglrx
> driver was working fine?
> What packages do I need to downgrade, and where can I find those
> versions?
> 
> 

Hi all!

I have two questions regarding the graphics problem with the new xserver:

1. Does anybody know, why the new xserver is not supporting the fglrx driver 
anymore? Was it
necessary to mess around until the running version changed into something not 
useful anymore? I can
live better with problems resulting in modifications that I understand.

2. Is there a way to get 3D acceleration using something built into squeeze? I 
always used the fglrx
driver coming directly from AMD/ATI.

Thanks for your help!  :)

Cheers,
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Re: Postscript: Grub2 in current Squeeze

[Tom H]

> My usual email isn't available until Grub works again.

> Yes, updating a system via a remote connection is probably not advisable.

> Attempting to run aptitude to reinstall grub from the rescue mode system
> gives this message.
> Error opening terminal: bterm

> How might this damage be repaired.

You do not need to use aptitude.

You have to chroot your squeeze install and (1) run grub-install for
/boot/grub to be populated afresh from /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc and stage
1 and stage 2 to be created and set up and (2) run update-grub.


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Re: Downgrading xorg xserver from 1.7 to 1.6

[Andreas Tepe]

Matteo Riva schrieb:
> Squeeze upgrade broke fglrx driver with the new xserver.
> 
> How can I downgrade the xserver from 1.7.4 back to 1.6.5 when fglrx
> driver was working fine?
> What packages do I need to downgrade, and where can I find those
> versions?
> 
> 

Hi all!

I have two questions regarding the graphics problem with the new xserver:

1. Does anybody know, why the new xserver is not supporting the fglrx driver 
anymore? Was it
necessary to mess around until the running version changed into something not 
useful anymore? I can
live better with problems resulting in modifications that I understand.

2. Is there a way to get 3D acceleration using something built into squeeze? I 
always used the fglrx
driver coming directly from AMD/ATI.

Thanks for your help! :)

Cheers,
Andreas Tepe




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Re: Postscript: Grub2 in current Squeeze

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:11:26 -0500 (EST), PETER EASTHOPE wrote:
> My usual email isn't available until Grub works again.
> Yes, updating a system via a remote connection is probably not advisable.
> Attempting to run aptitude to reinstall grub from the rescue mode system 
> gives this message.
> Error opening terminal: bterm
> How might this damage be repaired.

There have been many threads recently about grub-pc boot problems,
including an advisory not to update grub-pc in apt-listchanges
during the upgrade itself.

No doubt the grub fans out there will give me flak for saying this;
but honestly, if it were me, I'd install lilo and forget about
grub, at least for a while.  Once you upgrade you can't easily
go back.  You either wait for the bug to be fixed, or you try a
tricky and unsupported installation of a back-level package, or
you install something else.  In this case the solution is to install
something else.  That's what I did.


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Postscript: Grub2 in current Squeeze

[PETER EASTHOPE]

My usual email isn't available until Grub works again.

Yes, updating a system via a remote connection is probably not advisable.

Attempting to run aptitude to reinstall grub from the rescue mode system 
gives this message.
Error opening terminal: bterm

How might this damage be repaired.

Thanks,... Peter E. 


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Grub2 in current Squeeze

[PETER EASTHOPE]

Squeeze on an IBM NetVista here, was updated about 2010-01-27 via a remote 
connection.  Nothing remarkable about the update.  Sunday morning I arrived to 
find the machine rebooting repeatedly.  The console shows
  BIOS Installed Successfully!

  Grub loading.
  Welcome to GRUB!
Then the screen goes black and the machine proceeds to restart.

When booted to rescue mode from the Lenny installer CD update-grub, appears to 
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`asnprintf.c:18:20' error message during stsrttls installation (was: Error message when running `bootstrap')

[Rodolfo Medina]

Sven Joachim  writes:

> Yes, installing gnulib should help.


It seems that the installation of starttls wants to create me some problems.  I
installed gnulib, but `make' gets the following error:

 asnprintf.c:18:20: error: config.h: No such file or directory

Please help!  What do I miss?

Thanks
Rodolfo


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Evolution not remembering passwords

[AG]

Hi

My partner is experiencing a really irritating problem that I cannot 
find a fix for using Google, so I am turning to the collective wisdom of 
this list for a possible steer.


My partner is running Evolution 2.22.3.1 on an up-to-date Lenny 
installation, with KDE as the DE (although all Gnome-related libraries 
are also installed).  Even though the relevant box is ticked to save 
passwords for her email accounts (she runs two in Evolution), neither 
password is remembered when Evolution loads up.  This is a royal PITA 
because they are strong (& hence, convoluted) passwords to keep typing 
in just because Evolution is unable to "remember" the passwords used.  I 
have deleted the config files, uninstalled Evolution and re-installed 
it, but nada.  Searching through Google suggests that this may be a bug, 
but as there are no follow ups to the filing of the bug report, nor any 
user who seems to have fixed this to date, I am at a loss as to what I 
can do to make my partner's experience of using Evolution just that bit 
more pleasant.  This has been a problem ever since it was installed, but 
her tolerance to just accept it has reached its end ... hence my request 
for ideas and guidance.


Many thanks, in anticipation.

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Re: Cmake error: Could NOT find KdepimLibs (missing: KdepimLibs_CONFIG)

[António PT]

Try installing libsqlite3-dev and libsqlite0-dev.

2010/2/1 Jason Filippou 

> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I've been following the steps outlined here
> >>
> >> http://kopete.kde.org/svnaccess.php
> >>
> >> To gain SVN access to kopete and I'm copying and pasting the commands
> >> in the first box. I'm having trouble getting past the "cmake
> >> ../kdenetwork" command, though. This is the error I'm getting:
> >>
> >> r...@debian:~/kdenetwork-build# cmake ../kdenetwork
> >> -- Found Qt-Version 4.5.3 (using /usr/bin/qmake)
> >> -- Found X11: /usr/lib/libX11.so
> >> -- Phonon Version: 4.3.1
> >> -- Found KDE 4.3 include dir: /usr/include
> >> -- Found KDE 4.3 library dir: /usr/lib
> >> -- Found the KDE4 kconfig_compiler preprocessor:
> /usr/bin/kconfig_compiler
> >> -- Found automoc4: /usr/bin/automoc4
> >> CMake Error at
> /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:70
> >> (MESSAGE):
> >>   Could NOT find KdepimLibs (missing: KdepimLibs_CONFIG)
> >> Call Stack (most recent call first):
> >>   /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKdepimLibs.cmake:76
> >> (find_package_handle_standard_args)
> >>  CMakeLists.txt:31 (find_package)
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
> >>r...@debian:~/kdenetwork-build#
> >>
> >> I've installed kdepimlibs-dbg.
>
> >Why not install kopete from the repositories?
> >
> >--
> >Chris.
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm not having trouble installing kopete or using it whatsoever. What
> I'm trying to do is install this emoticon manager:
>
>
> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kopete+Emoticons+Manager?content=54968
>
> Because I have numerous emoticons I'd like to add to kopete. However,
> that page links me to the kopete SVN page I linked to earlier and it
> requires me to follow the steps outlined before downloading the kopete
> emoticons manager patch.
>
> J
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[solved] Re: Error message when running `bootstrap'

[Rodolfo Medina]

On 2010-02-01 17:20 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

>> I'm trying to build `starttls' cvs, but the `./bootstrap' command gets the
>> following error:
>>
>> ./bootstrap: line 3: gnulib-tool: command not found
>> aclocal: couldn't open directory `m4': No such file or directory
>> autoreconf: aclocal failed with exit status: 1
>>
>> How can I work that out, in Lenny?  Am I missing some package?


Sven Joachim  writes:

> Yes, installing gnulib should help.  BTW, you can find out where
> gnulib-tool is by using apt-file or browsing packages.debian.org.


Thanks, that was helpful (although, after installing starttls, Gnus still does
not send mails through my gmail account: but this is an issue for Gnus
newsgroup).

Rodolfo


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Merciadri Luca]

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Stephen Powell  writes:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:09:16 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote:
>> Virtual 1024x768
>
> Oops!  That should have been written
>
>Virtual 1024 768
>
> (remove the x).  Sorry for the typo.
Thanks for these two messages. I shall try them too. I consider this
topic as closed. Thanks everyone!
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Re: setting sensor limits fails

[António PT]

I also have the same hardware as you and the same kernel in amd64. Is this
relative to lm_sensors? I never got them to work...

I don't think this should be a threat to your laptop, the sensors only read
temperature (and other data) they don't interfere with the working of the
CPU, hard drive or other components. I think you have no reasons to worry.

2010/2/1 Nima Azarbayjany 

> Hi there,
>
> On a recent install of Squeeze I get a message that "setting sensor limits"
> fails.  I am wondering whether this can be a threat to the hardware and if
> there are any workarounds for this issue.  I am running the amd64 2.6.32
> kernel from testing on my HP Pavilion dv5 laptop.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Nima
>
>

Re: Installing Debian

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:45:08AM -0600, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:23:21AM -0600, David Jenke wrote:
> > I have two hard drives.  One hard drive (160 GB) has Windows and the
> > other (500 GB) is divided into two partitions.  I have Ubuntu 9.10 on
> > one partition and Ubuntu 9.4 on the other partition.  My boot allows
> > access to both versions of Ubuntu and Windows.
> > 
> > Can I override Ubuntu 9.04 with Debian and still be able to have access
> > to Ubuntu 9.10 and Windows?
> 
> Yes. Debian's installer would offer you to use a boot loader (Grub),
> which can detect the presence of other oprating systems, and, thus,
> allow you to boot into both Debian and Windows with ease.

Correction: Debian, Windows, and Ubuntu with ease.

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Re: Installing Debian

[Kumar Appaiah]

(Moving to debian-user)

Dear David,

The debian-release list is reserved for discussions on Debian's
release and related issues. The general users' list is at
debian-u...@lists.debian.org. Please respond to this mail at that
address.

On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:23:21AM -0600, David Jenke wrote:
> I have two hard drives.  One hard drive (160 GB) has Windows and the
> other (500 GB) is divided into two partitions.  I have Ubuntu 9.10 on
> one partition and Ubuntu 9.4 on the other partition.  My boot allows
> access to both versions of Ubuntu and Windows.
> 
> Can I override Ubuntu 9.04 with Debian and still be able to have access
> to Ubuntu 9.10 and Windows?

Yes. Debian's installer would offer you to use a boot loader (Grub),
which can detect the presence of other oprating systems, and, thus,
allow you to boot into both Debian and Windows with ease.

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:09:16 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote:
> Virtual 1024x768

Oops!  That should have been written

   Virtual 1024 768

(remove the x).  Sorry for the typo.


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Re: don't upgrade grub or grub-pc ! what's wrong with LILO ?

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:24:58 -0500 (EST), Brian Denheyer wrote:
> Imagine by surprise when I finished upgrading unstable and ended up
> with a system that wouldn't boot.
> And I'm not the only one, judging from the bug list.
> So notice to those running unstable, DON'T UPGRADE GRUB !
> So you're probably wondering what my question is :-)
> Is there any good reason for a system to use grub instead of lilo ?
> Grub appears to me to be a annoying, complicated, and hard to
> understand, and those are it's good points :-(
> I never had a problem with LILO, but for some reason Deb decided to
> make grub the default.

GRUB stands for GRand Unified Bootloader.  As I understand it,
the idea was to create a single bootloader that could be used on
a number of different hardware platforms, rather than for each
hardware platform to have its own unique bootloader.  There were
other design goals for grub too, but that was the main one.

But as chief engineer Montgomery Scott (better known as "Scotty")
says in the movie "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock",

  "The more they over-tink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop
  up the drain."

And it looks like the drain just got stopped up.
The goals of grub are laudable.  But the boot process is a very
hardware specific thing, and trying to create a "one size fits all"
boot loader that works on all platforms is a daunting task.
Neither grub nor grub2 works on the s390 platform, for example.
It uses a program called zipl as its boot loader.

If lilo works for you, and you're happy with it,
then stick with it.  That's my advice, for what it's worth.


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Re: Problem with Lenny

[Roman Gelfand]

Ran out memory.  This is my conclusion.  Originally, I had given
500mb ram.   Though top was showing 300mb utilization, memstat showed
1.1gig.  It seems the later is the one I was supposed to pay attention
to.   I am currently looking into the difference between the top's
memory utilization display and that of memstat.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Jeffrey Cao  wrote:
> On 2010-01-21, Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
>> Roman Gelfand put forth on 1/20/2010 9:26 PM:
>>> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.00] Linux version 2.6.26-2-686
>>> (Debian 2.6.26-19lenny2) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3
>>> 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC
>>> 2009
>>> My machine freezes every so often.  I was wodering if there is any
>>> clues in kernel.log exerpts below.  Thanks in advance
>>
>> Define "freezes".  Post the machine brand/model/specs.
>>
>>> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.00] SMP: Allowing 0 CPUs, 0 hotplug 
>>> CPUs
>>> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.00] PERCPU: Allocating 37992
>>> bytes of per cpu data
>>> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.00] NR_CPUS: 8, nr_cpu_ids: 1
>>
>> This ^^ is very odd.  "Allowing 0 CPUs" is very strange.  Given that, this
>> "NR_CPUS: 8" is even more strange.
> "NR_CPUS: 8" is not a strange thing. It's the number of CPUs that the kernel
> supports, not the CPUs existed in the machine.
>
> config NR_CPUS
>    int "Maximum number of CPUs" if SMP && !MAXSMP
>    range 2 8 if SMP && X86_32 && !X86_BIGSMP
>    range 2 512 if SMP && !MAXSMP
>    default "1" if !SMP
>    default "4096" if MAXSMP
>    default "32" if SMP && (X86_NUMAQ || X86_SUMMIT || X86_BIGSMP || 
> X86_ES7000)
>    default "8" if SMP
>    ---help---
>      This allows you to specify the maximum number of CPUs which this
>       kernel will support.  The maximum supported value is 512 and the
>      minimum value which makes sense is 2.
>
>       This is purely to save memory - each supported CPU adds
>      approximately eight kilobytes to the kernel image.
>
>>
>>> Jan 20 21:59:37 mail kernel: [    0.004000] Memory: 598724k/614336k
>>> available (1770k kernel code, 14940k reserved, 750k data, 244k init,
>>> 0k highmem)
>>
>> Also very strange ^^
>>
>> According to that above, your system has 0 smp cpus, but it has 8 cpus, and 
>> only
>> one of those 8 has an ID.  This also says you have ~600MB of system memory.
>> There is no physical combo of DIMMs that yields 600MB so we can assume you 
>> have
>> motherboard video chip and the BIOS is assigning system RAM for the frame
>> buffer.  But on a modern system, why do you have so little RAM installed?
>>
>> Unfortunately the system information provided by kern.log is incomplete.  
>> Please
>> post output from dmesg so we can get a more complete picture of your system.
>> Your kern.log info alone is not enough to diagnose what is causing your 
>> system
>> to "freeze".  Something to consider is that kernel issues usually cause 
>> panics,
>> not freezes.  If your system is freezing, or "hard locking", this is usually 
>> a
>> sign of:
>>
>> 1.  A thermal issue
>> 2.  Defective hardware
>> 3.  Hardware compatibility mismatch
>>
>> For comparison to your kern.log, I have a two CPU system, each a single core 
>> CPU:
>>
>> Jan 20 01:59:42 greer kernel: found SMP MP-table at [c00f5b90] f5b90
>> Jan 20 01:59:42 greer kernel: SMP: Allowing 2 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs
>> Jan 20 01:59:42 greer kernel: NR_CPUS:2 nr_cpumask_bits:2 nr_cpu_ids:2 
>> nr_node_ids:1
>>
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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:04:49 -0500 (EST), Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Okay. My eyes will take a blow, but it is now really nice: the
> windows' buttons are correctly displayed!
> 
> Thanks, I will stick with this. (There is actually no other solution,
> and when one buys a netbook with a small resolution, one should assume it.)

These days, it seems that most application designers assume that a 1024x768
desktop is the lowest common denominator.  They assume that no-one will
ever have a smaller desktop than that.  Your netbook is 1024x600, which
explains why the bottom gets cut off in some cases.

That reminds me.  Maybe there is another solution.  I don't know why I
didn't think of it before, but you can specify a virtual desktop size
to use in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

   Virtual 1024x768

can be placed in the Display Subsection of the Screen Section.
You then set your desired video mode to be something which your display
can physically display.  You can either create a custom mode of 1024x600
or pick a standard one that will fit, such as 800x600, for example.
Now the physical resolution is smaller than the virtual resolution.
Your applications see the virtual resolution.  You use the mouse pointer
to scroll.  For example, move the mouse pointer to the bottom of the
screen and keep trying to move further down.  As you do, the screen scrolls
down.  This will allow you to use the full size fonts, but you won't be
able to see the whole virtual desktop at once.  The choice is up to
you.


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Merciadri Luca]

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Klistvud  writes:

> Dne, 01. 02. 2010 15:38:26 je Merciadri Luca napisal(a):
>> Here is a new
>> screenshot of it:
>> http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/FPM2.png.
>
> Unfortunately, your link gives me a PAGE NOT FOUND error ...
Sorry, it was
http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/FMP2.png.
>
>> You may
>> notice that the button now appears correctly. However, I think that it
>> is not possible to configure devilpsie so that every window which has
>> an overall height bigger than a given threshold (i.e. height >
>> threshold) looses its decorations (i.e. (undecorate) is applied to
>> it).
>> Is it possible?
>
> I doubt it. In Devilspie, you may reference windows by their name,  
> program name, PID and so on, but I don't think you can reference them  
> by window size.
>
>> 
>> And if the window is too big, even devilspie's trick will not be
>> useful anymore. It is likely to be the case in some windows. In these
>> cases, what should I do?
>
> Perhaps the "wintype" argument might help you. The only way to know  
> that, however, would be by experimenting. Maybe there are some window  
> types that can override "fixed-size" windows?
>
>> Thanks.
>
> You're welcome. I wish I could be of more help, but I am just an  
> ordinary user of Devilspie (not even what you could call a "power" user  
> ;)
No problem. All the explanations were useful and precise. Thanks all.

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Re: Downgrading xorg xserver from 1.7 to 1.6

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Matteo Riva wrote:

Squeeze upgrade broke fglrx driver with the new xserver.

How can I downgrade the xserver from 1.7.4 back to 1.6.5 when fglrx
driver was working fine?
What packages do I need to downgrade, and where can I find those
versions?




1.7 is a major headache for me:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567700

Hugo


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Re: don't upgrade grub or grub-pc ! what's wrong with LILO ?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 01 February 2010 10:06:50 Jens Van Broeckhoven wrote:
> Debian needs a default and grub is more suitable in most cases.

It's only the default if you are using d-i.  Oft times, I will install Debian 
through the debootstrap method, from whatever live CD/DVD I have sitting 
around.  In that case, you don't get a bootloader until you install one (of 
your choice).

> Nothing  will stop you from using LiLo if that's what you prefer.

Also, once GRUB is purged from your system, I don't know any debian package 
that will attempt to pull it back in.
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Re: Where does One Disable dhclient?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 01 February 2010 07:18:13 Martin McCormick wrote:
>   This is kind of a strange problem. I have one Debian
> system in which dhclient is broken. I can configure the network
> interface manually with ifconfig but dhclient starts grinding
> unsuccessfully at boot time and I can never quite get it to quit
> trying. It only succeeds in unconfiguring the interface to the
> point that it kills all communication.

man 5 interfaces

Edit /etc/network/interfaces to not use dhclient, or pass specific options.  
Some dhclient configuration can't go in /etc/network/interfaces and need to go 
in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf.

This is from memory, I do not currently use dhclient has my DHCP client.
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Re: Error message when running `bootstrap'

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-02-01 17:20 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> I'm trying to build `starttls' cvs, but the `./bootstrap' command gets the
> following error:
>
> ./bootstrap: line 3: gnulib-tool: command not found
> aclocal: couldn't open directory `m4': No such file or directory
> autoreconf: aclocal failed with exit status: 1
>
> How can I work that out, in Lenny?  Am I missing some package?

Yes, installing gnulib should help.  BTW, you can find out where
gnulib-tool is by using apt-file or browsing packages.debian.org.

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Error message when running `bootstrap'

[Rodolfo Medina]

I'm trying to build `starttls' cvs, but the `./bootstrap' command gets the
following error:

./bootstrap: line 3: gnulib-tool: command not found
aclocal: couldn't open directory `m4': No such file or directory
autoreconf: aclocal failed with exit status: 1

How can I work that out, in Lenny?  Am I missing some package?

Thanks for any help
Rodolfo


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Re: APT (linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686)

[Johan Grönqvist]

DS skrev:
Pls, let me know if you have any available server to download them using 
apt.


 


Searching for the package in oldstable/etch on packages.debian.org leads 
me to 
<http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/download>, 
that claims to know that it is available on the security team's server. 
Have you looked there?



/ johan



DS



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*Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2010 3:17 PM
*To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org
*Subject:* APT (linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686)

 


Hi,

 

I’d like you to let me know a debian mirror so I can be able to download 
with APT *linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686* package for me etch distro since 
there are missing from the below I already used.


 


http://debian.otenet.gr/debian/

http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/

 


BR.



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File format decoding tool?

[Juhana Sadeharju]

Does GNU/Linux have a tool for decoding file formats?

I have seen Nifskope, TES4Edit, PyFFI, and wonder if
similar is available for decoding with interactive GUI.
Check screenshots.

Juhana


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Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:16:03 -0500 (EST), Klistvud wrote:
> In all honesty, is there anybody over the mental age of 9 that actually  
> "enjoys" flash???

I hate it too.  But as with most things in life, it all comes down to
money.  The bottom line is, "it sells".  Or at least the Madison Avenue
types think that it does.  The whole goal of advertising is to get
your attention.  And from their point of view, even negative attention is
better than no attention.  And from their point of view, making the web
page non-functional without flash is a good thing.  That forces you to
view the ads, which increases their revenue.

Web sites make money by selling advertising.  The ad agencies love flash.
The more flashy, shiny, and motion-oriented it is, the better it is, from
their point of view.  I hate it.  But I have no delusions that it is
going to go away.  Everybody hates spam.  But spam will never go away
either, and for the same reason.  Ditto for drugs, prostitution, etc.
As long as there is money to be made with it, someone will do it.

(Sigh.)


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Re: don't upgrade grub or grub-pc ! what's wrong with LILO ?

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Monday 01 February 2010 16:24:58 Brian Denheyer wrote:
> Imagine by surprise when I finished upgrading unstable and ended up
> with a system that wouldn't boot.
> 
> And I'm not the only one, judging from the bug list.
> 
> So notice to those running unstable, DON'T UPGRADE GRUB !
> 
> So you're probably wondering what my question is :-)
> 
> Is there any good reason for a system to use grub instead of lilo ?
> 
> Grub appears to me to be a annoying, complicated, and hard to
> understand, and those are it's good points :-(
> 
> I never had a problem with LILO, but for some reason Deb decided to
> make grub the default.
> 
> 
> Brian
> 

I am using sid too, but I installed apt-listbugs, which told me not to upgrade 
grub-pc. So I was saved from it. Generaly I think it is a good idea to have 
apt-listbugs.
Thierry


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Re: don't upgrade grub or grub-pc ! what's wrong with LILO ?

[Jens Van Broeckhoven]

On Monday 01 February 2010 16:24:58 Brian Denheyer wrote:
> Imagine by surprise when I finished upgrading unstable and ended up
> with a system that wouldn't boot.
> 
> And I'm not the only one, judging from the bug list.
> 
> So notice to those running unstable, DON'T UPGRADE GRUB !
> 
> So you're probably wondering what my question is :-)
> 
> Is there any good reason for a system to use grub instead of lilo ?
> 
> Grub appears to me to be a annoying, complicated, and hard to
> understand, and those are it's good points :-(
> 
> I never had a problem with LILO, but for some reason Deb decided to
> make grub the default.
> 
> 
> Brian
> 
Not all GRUB functions are supported in LILO (I would mostly miss the the 
network boot). 

Debian isn't linux only , kfreebsd and gnu-hurd don't work with LiLo (... and 
even some Linux ports would have problems with it as well).

Debian needs a default and grub is more suitable in most cases.
Nothing  will stop you from using LiLo if that's what you prefer.

Jens.


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Klistvud]

Dne, 01. 02. 2010 15:38:26 je Merciadri Luca napisal(a):

Here is a new
screenshot of it:
http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/FPM2.png.


Unfortunately, your link gives me a PAGE NOT FOUND error ...


You may
notice that the button now appears correctly. However, I think that it
is not possible to configure devilpsie so that every window which has
an overall height bigger than a given threshold (i.e. height >
threshold) looses its decorations (i.e. (undecorate) is applied to
it).
Is it possible?


I doubt it. In Devilspie, you may reference windows by their name,  
program name, PID and so on, but I don't think you can reference them  
by window size.




And if the window is too big, even devilspie's trick will not be
useful anymore. It is likely to be the case in some windows. In these
cases, what should I do?


Perhaps the "wintype" argument might help you. The only way to know  
that, however, would be by experimenting. Maybe there are some window  
types that can override "fixed-size" windows?



Thanks.


You're welcome. I wish I could be of more help, but I am just an  
ordinary user of Devilspie (not even what you could call a "power" user  
;)


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don't upgrade grub or grub-pc ! what's wrong with LILO ?

[Brian Denheyer]

Imagine by surprise when I finished upgrading unstable and ended up
with a system that wouldn't boot.

And I'm not the only one, judging from the bug list.

So notice to those running unstable, DON'T UPGRADE GRUB !

So you're probably wondering what my question is :-)

Is there any good reason for a system to use grub instead of lilo ?

Grub appears to me to be a annoying, complicated, and hard to
understand, and those are it's good points :-(

I never had a problem with LILO, but for some reason Deb decided to
make grub the default.


Brian


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RE: APT (linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686)

[DS]

Pls, let me know if you have any available server to download them using
apt.

 

DS

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From: DS [mailto:d...@telesuite.gr] 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 3:17 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: APT (linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686)

 

Hi,

 

I'd like you to let me know a debian mirror so I can be able to download
with APT linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 package for me etch distro since there
are missing from the below I already used.

 

http://debian.otenet.gr/debian/

http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/

 

BR.

Re: Getting Google Sketchup to work under Wine?

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:15:42 -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:
 
>> Sweet Home 3D
>> http://www.sweethome3d.eu/index.jsp
>> 
>> It seems an easy "drag-and-drop" application, but I cannot tell you
>> more, I have not tested :-)

> As far as I can tell, it allows you to place furniture and stuff in a
> room for figuring placement and space, but does not actually allow you
> to design specific items.

Months ago someone posted here a Debian wiki link plenty of 3D programs:

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/Engineering

Look there if some of them fit your daughter's needs :-)

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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2010 #186

[Brian Denheyer]

On Mon,  1 Feb 2010 09:30:25 + (UTC)
debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:

 
> I'm sorry guys, but I've switched to Ubuntu Server 9.10 Karmic Koala.
> Tired of all debian driver problems, and a ubuntu live usb disc
> running without problems I decided to switch.
> 
> 
> 
> As far as I've understood now the issue has to do with kernel
> versions. Debian Lenny has 2.6.26, Lenny-backports 2.6.30 and the
> netinst images of Kenshi Muto currently 2.6.32. Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic has
> 2.6.31.
> 
> Installation of that OS wasn't without hassle too. For documentary
> reasons the way I did it on the Intel D945GSEJT board. Answer to
> Florian Kulzer's questions below.

I am also using the D945GSEJT boardwith the R8169 and had a heck of a
time getting things going.  The problem is indeed in the kernel, so I
installed unstable to get a version of the kernel which would support
it. Your desire to avoid unstable was probably a good one, as unstable
seems to be more unstable than I have experienced in the past.

However I did _not_ have any problems with the installation, I used a
USB stick, followed the excellent debian docs on how to use the stick
as the boot device and everything went smoothly.

Well, sort of smoothly, it turns out I had a bad ethernet switch, but
that's a subject for a different post.

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Merciadri Luca]

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Camaleón  writes:

> Some hints:
>
> 1/ Try by setting font dpi at a lower value (86dpi)
> 2/ Try by using a smaller text size (8pt)
> 3/ Try by using smaller buttons and menu bars in the current theme (16px)
Okay. My eyes will take a blow, but it is now really nice: the
windows' buttons are correctly displayed!

Thanks, I will stick with this. (There is actually no other solution,
and when one buys a netbook with a small resolution, one should assume it.)

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OT:Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Monday 01 February 2010 15:35:17 Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:53:46 -0500 (EST), Merciadri Luca wrote:
> > Thierry Chatelet  writes:
> >> Which window manager are you using?
> >
> > I am using X (GNOME).
> 
> I'm not trying to split hairs here; but strictly speaking, GNOME is
> a *session* manager, not a *window* manager.  The default *window*
> manager in the GNOME environment is metacity.  It is possible to
> use metacity without using GNOME.  I don't recommend it, but it
> is possible.
> 
> Unfortunately, this does nothing to help you with your problem.  :-(
> 
Hum, thank you for correcting me, my english vocabulary is a bit deficient 
today.
Thierry


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Merciadri Luca]

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Stephen Powell  writes:

> I'm not trying to split hairs here; but strictly speaking, GNOME is
> a *session* manager, not a *window* manager.  The default *window*
> manager in the GNOME environment is metacity.  It is possible to
> use metacity without using GNOME.  I don't recommend it, but it
> is possible.
>
> Unfortunately, this does nothing to help you with your problem.  :-(
Sorry, this was a fact I should have mentioned, but metacity is
effictively clearly related to GNOME. Anyway, devilspie is an
excellent program for GNOME, as it is, AFAIK, conceived for Metacity.

Thanks for pointing this out.
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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Merciadri Luca]

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> I can move windows vertically too - that's what I do to get to menu
> buttons on my EEEPC 1000HE running Debian Squeeze with the Gnome
> Desktop. (I'm sure it was the same when I ran Lenny.)
For sure, me too, but only when they have already been resized, at
least to some extent so that their overall size is alpha * beta, where
alpha > 1, and beta is their original size, i.e. iff they have been
resized positively (i.e. augmented). But if they are already
minimized, it appears to me to be impossible to reduce them further. 
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Re: Getting Google Sketchup to work under Wine?

[Marc Shapiro]

Camaleón wrote:

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:24:30 -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:


Sketchup is supposed to run under wine, but I'm not having any luck.  I
downloaded the file (GoogleSketchUpWEN.exe) and ran:

wine GoogleSketchUpWEN.exe

I also tried copying the file to wine's drive_c and running it from
there, but the results are the same.

The installer starts up and gets through extracting the files.  Then it
tries to 'Evaluate Launch Conditions' at which point it says the my OS
is not supported and terminates unsuccessfully.


There are some reports about different versions of Google SketchUp at 
Wine AppDB:


Category: Main > Multimedia > Graphics > Animation/Rendering/3D > Google 
SketchUp

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1815

I have the latest version (7.1) of sketchup.  I may have to install wine 
from winehq to get the most recent version of wine and try again.




Some time ago, a chap recommended this program:

Sweet Home 3D 
http://www.sweethome3d.eu/index.jsp


It seems an easy "drag-and-drop" application, but I cannot tell you more, 
I have not tested :-)
As far as I can tell, it allows you to place furniture and stuff in a 
room for figuring placement and space, but does not actually allow you 
to design specific items.


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Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos

[Klistvud]

Dne, 31. 01. 2010 22:15:05 je Eduardo M KALINOWSKI napisal(a):

But 99% of them are unnecessary, the same effect could be achived  
with plain old HTML. The end result might be more boring, but just as  
informational/useful.




Moreover, I've seldom encountered plain old HTML that was as boring as  
certain flash-only splash pages ... a boring HTML page can hardly  
compete with a boring flash intro, simply in virtue of the fact that  
flash takes 10 times longer to load, thus increasing the "boredom  
effect" by a factor of 10.


In all honesty, is there anybody over the mental age of 9 that actually  
"enjoys" flash???


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Re: Games in Linux?

[Angus Hedger]

Hello,

See:

http://www.playonlinux.com/en/

and

http://appdb.winehq.org/

Regards,

Angus.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Juhana Sadeharju wrote:

>
> Has anyone written a document which explains all about GNU/Linux
> gaming? Introduces worth of playing games. Explains how to get
> Windows games to run in GNU/Linux.
>
> I have ran Morrowind, Oblivion, and Fallout 3 game editors in
> GNU/Linux. Fallout 3 runs most poorly of these three. Oblivion
> editor fails to render the trees. Fallout 3 editor fails saving
> and rendering. I may play in Windows but it would be nice
> if editors would work in GNU/Linux because I have and I am
> decoding the file formats and the game system.
>
> Juhana
>
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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Merciadri Luca]

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Klistvud  writes:

> Devilspie might help you out if you're willing to give it a try (and if  
> it works under your particular window manager). It's a utility to  
> resize/reposition windows as soon as they are created.

Okay, I played around with devilspie, and, using

==
(debug)
(undecorate)
==

in `all.ds', and executing `devilspie -d' displayed the names of the
windows, and undecorated all of them, as expected. Let's now
reconsider the previous windows I was speaking about. Here is a new
screenshot of it:
http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/FPM2.png. You may
notice that the button now appears correctly. However, I think that it
is not possible to configure devilpsie so that every window which has
an overall height bigger than a given threshold (i.e. height >
threshold) looses its decorations (i.e. (undecorate) is applied to
it).
Is it possible?

And if the window is too big, even devilspie's trick will not be
useful anymore. It is likely to be the case in some windows. In these
cases, what should I do?

Thanks.

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:21:12 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> I am using Debian on this EEE pc for a long time
> (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC). It is a Lenny, w. 2.6.26-2-686.
> Everything is pretty fine, but, as my scr. resolution has only a max. of
> 1024 x 600 (as I am using a 1000 HE), some of the windows are sometimes
> too big for my screen, and the buttons are consequently out of sight.

Some hints:

1/ Try by setting font dpi at a lower value (86dpi)
2/ Try by using a smaller text size (8pt)
3/ Try by using smaller buttons and menu bars in the current theme (16px)

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Games in Linux?

[Juhana Sadeharju]

Has anyone written a document which explains all about GNU/Linux
gaming? Introduces worth of playing games. Explains how to get
Windows games to run in GNU/Linux.

I have ran Morrowind, Oblivion, and Fallout 3 game editors in
GNU/Linux. Fallout 3 runs most poorly of these three. Oblivion
editor fails to render the trees. Fallout 3 editor fails saving
and rendering. I may play in Windows but it would be nice
if editors would work in GNU/Linux because I have and I am
decoding the file formats and the game system.

Juhana


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xmess/xmame usage?

[Juhana Sadeharju]

I have game CD "spectrum classics, 3000 classic games" by Revive.
How to run "hobbit.sna" with xmess, which claims to support
that format and device?
spectrum cassette(cass) .wav
 snapshot(dump) .sna  .z80  .sp

Usage: xmess  [game] [options]

Trivial first try like "xmess spectrum hobbit.sna" does not work.

I also find it very unfriendly that xmess/xmame turns Gnome
display to complete black. I have go to console (ctrl-alt-1) and
then back (alt-7) to fix the situation. A windowed version would
be nice.

Juhana


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

[Tixy]

On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 13:52 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Tixy  writes:

> > You can drag any (non-maximised) window around by clicking on it
> > anywhere with the left mouse button whilst holding down the Alt key.
> > That way, you can move it up/left until you see the things you want
> > access to.
> For sure. I knew this, but, if the windows is too big (because of the
> text it contains), moving it this way (or with other shortcuts) only
> causes it to move horizontally, and not vertically(!)


I can move windows vertically too - that's what I do to get to menu
buttons on my EEEPC 1000HE running Debian Squeeze with the Gnome
Desktop. (I'm sure it was the same when I ran Lenny.)

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