Re: Q about aptitude

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-03-11 04:58 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:

> How would aptitude know about angband if OP didn't put non-free in
> sources.list?

Because it is referenced (i.e. suggested) by angband-doc, and the latter
is in main.

Sven


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Re: Q about aptitude (was Re: where is angband?)

[Mark Allums]

On 3/10/2010 9:58 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-10 21:42, Tom Furie wrote:

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:35:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-10 16:47, Martin wrote:

I downloaded 5 DVD Lenny 5.0.4.
As I was browsing packages with aptitude I noticed that there
is angband-doc but angband is (UNAVAILABLE).


Why wouldn't it be this?

r...@haggis:~# apt-get install foobar
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package foobar


Because he's using the aptitude tui (should that be c(urses)ui?). If a
referenced package is not available, then it shows (UNAVAILABLE) next to
the package name.



How would aptitude know about angband if OP didn't put non-free in
sources.list?



When dealing with Sid, it's common to have packages that depend on 
packages that don't seem to exist, which leads to no end of frustration. 
 I can't say whether it should be possible under Lenny/stable, but it 
happens in Sid frequently (since renaming and other transitions occur 
there) and occasionally in testing.




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Re: how to install debian on an usb pendrive

[Kousik Maiti]

You can use unetbootin   http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

It work for me perfectly :)

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:47 PM, thib  wrote:

> Vadkan Jozsef wrote:
>
>> Does someone has any docs/howtos/solutions about it? :\ i would thank
>> that:\
>>
>> I just want a netinstall on a pendrive. [but when i just boot from a cd,
>> and install to the pendrive, it just "hangs" for 2 days, formatting the
>> pendrive... :\]
>>
>> thank you!
>>
>
> See the very recent thread on this very subject:
>  a50e48011003062159m771d01fcr140ad056a47df...@mail.gmail.com[1]
>
> Thanks to search the archive[2] when possible.
>
> [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/03/msg00492.html
> [2] http://lists.debian.org/search.html
>
> -thib
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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Richard Hector]

On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 23:11 +0100, Clive McBarton wrote:

> When I reboot, the partition /boot (it is a separate partition, not a
> directory) changes. It is not supposed to. None of the files on it have
> changed or can change, since it is mounted with option "ro". But the
> checksum of the partition changes.

Are you using grub's 'savedefault' feature?

That should only have any effect if you're choosing different kernels,
of course.

Richard



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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Robert Brockway]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Robert Brockway wrote:

The filesystem sees no distinction between mounting during boot or mounting 
any other time.  It does increment the mount count.  I even went and 
confirmed this on one of my systems.  Same situation - ext3 /boot.


Hmm I knew I should have read to the end of the thread before replying.

As Bob notes in another email, a read-only ext3 filesystem does not 
increment the mount count held within the filesystem.  My orignal test was 
on a read-write mounted /boot.


I have to say this surprised me also but it does make sense.

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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Robert Brockway]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Clive McBarton wrote:


umount /boot; mount /boot; dd_rescue /dev/sda1 /tmp/boot1;
umount /boot; mount /boot; dd_rescue /dev/sda1 /tmp/boot2;
diff /tmp/boot1 /tmp/boot2


Hi Clive.  I've never used diff to compare binary files.

Is the md5sum of the different files the same?


Result: No change. Hence it does not increment a mount count as long as
it is manually unmounted and remounted while the system is up.


The filesystem sees no distinction between mounting during boot or 
mounting any other time.  It does increment the mount count.  I even went 
and confirmed this on one of my systems.  Same situation - ext3 /boot.


Use tune2fs -l  to take a look.


Malicious modifying of files with a disk editor is exactly the undesired
stuff that this whole checksumming is supposed to detect.


Why not just use Aide?   It's a path of least resistance IMHO and will 
produce a better overall result.



To get an absolute, no write, ever, to the device, the OP will need to
figure out how to force  read only permissions on the device /dev/sda1,
across boots.


Phantastic idea! Can it be done? I have not heard about this yet. It
would be great.


Well that's a big topic in itself.  I think you'd need to get in to 
mandatory access controls to do this in an effective way.


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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Robert Brockway]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Clive McBarton wrote:


Yes, of course. I mean "md5sum /dev/sda1".


Hi Clive.  If you don't mind me asking, why are you doing this?  Are you 
concerned about corruption or someone (with root) compromising your kernel 
image, or perhaps something else?


Also even if /boot was merely a directory on the rootfileeystem you could 
still md5sum all the files within it.  Indeed aide and tripwire do just 
that.



It's mounted read-only (actually also "noatime", although that is
implied by "ro"). The access times cannot change. Nor the other
metadata. And in fact they don't: "ls -Rl", "ls -Rlc", "ls -Rlu" report
no changes in the metadata.


So you're wondering what is changing the checksum?  The ext2/3 keeps 
metadata on mount times, number of mounts, etc.  Merely rebooting would be 
sufficient to update the mount count and therefore completely change the 
md5sum.


If you want to confirm that no files are changing take md5sums of all 
files and compare back file by file.  As with any IDS keep your hash list 
off the system to avouf potential compromise.



I do NO write operation whatsoever on it. It is not allowed to change in
ANY way.


To the extent that you can assert this.

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Re: /boot fs (was Re: /boot partition changes when it should not)

[Robert Brockway]

On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Ron Johnson wrote:


grub (and maybe lilo) never used to be able to boot from an xfs partition.


Grub can boot from xfs now.  Lilo always could.  If you install xfs as the 
root filesystem on older versions of Debian Stable the installer is smart 
enough to realise that Grub won't cut it, and it installs Lilo.  I noticed 
this behaviour has changed recently but I don't recall exactly when it 
changed.


As for the shiver, I also am confused.  A 64MB partition, though, really 
doesn't need a high-performance fs.  ext2 is more than adequate.


I certainly have no objections to seperating /boot if it makes the 
bootloader happy.


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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Clive McBarton]

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Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote:
> Clive McBarton  wrote:
>> and while the system is turned off. The "online to offline" comparison
>> works fine, whereas the "offline to online" does not always work, hence
> 
> What exactly does "not always" mean?

That's what I tried to explain in the paragraph before (before what you
quoted):

"More precisely: You never know if any
checksums taken on a running system are reported correctly. But: If you
take an online system (powered up), take checksums of important files or
partitions, and they are the same after the system later becomes offline
(powered down), then they were reported correctly to begin with. Whereas
if they were correct before running it and are then are reported correct
while the system is running, it does not tell you anything."

> Maybe it's just the periodic fsck which changes the mount count?
> Check your fstab for the last field (fs_passno). Set either this to 0 to
> disable periodic checks and/or use tune2fs -c and tune2fs -i to disable
> periodic full checks (not recommended, btw.).

Good idea. I now turned off the fstab checks and also both entries with
tune2fs. Since nothing on the /boot partition is allowed to change, fsck
serves no purpose any longer. More precisely, the change detector must
notice anything anyway that fsck would see.
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Hello

[surreal]

I am using a grsecurity hardened kernel downloaded from here -
http://indiaforcekernel.googlecode.com/files/linux-image-2.6.32.9-grsecindiaforce1.1_1.1_i386.deb

It is patched to provide maximum security but it prevents segment
relocation..

An example of this is -

r...@indiaforce:~# VirtualBox
VirtualBox: Error -610 in supR3HardenedMainInitRuntime!
VirtualBox: dlopen("/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so",) failed:
/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so: cannot make segment writable for relocation:
Permission denied

VirtualBox: Tip! It may help to reinstall VirtualBox.


I got the above message while trying to execute VirtualBox-OSE.

Tried installing VirtualBox from source, and I got

Checking for Xmu: found, OK.
Checking for Mesa / GLU: /home/harshad/VirtualBox-3.1.4-OSE/debian/.tmp_out:
error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: cannot make
segment writable for relocation: Permission denied

Is there any practical workaround for this, other then reinstalling other
kernel??




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Q about aptitude (was Re: where is angband?)

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-10 21:42, Tom Furie wrote:

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:35:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-10 16:47, Martin wrote:

I downloaded 5 DVD Lenny 5.0.4.
As I was browsing packages with aptitude I noticed that there
is angband-doc but angband is (UNAVAILABLE).


Why wouldn't it be this?

r...@haggis:~# apt-get install foobar
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package foobar


Because he's using the aptitude tui (should that be c(urses)ui?). If a
referenced package is not available, then it shows (UNAVAILABLE) next to
the package name.



How would aptitude know about angband if OP didn't put non-free in 
sources.list?


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Re: where is angband?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-10 21:42, Tom Furie wrote:

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:35:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-10 16:47, Martin wrote:

I downloaded 5 DVD Lenny 5.0.4.
As I was browsing packages with aptitude I noticed that there
is angband-doc but angband is (UNAVAILABLE).


Why wouldn't it be this?

r...@haggis:~# apt-get install foobar
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package foobar


Because he's using the aptitude tui (should that be c(urses)ui?). If a
referenced package is not available, then it shows (UNAVAILABLE) next to
the package name.



So... if he'd been a bit more verbose in his description, confusion 
eliminated?


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Re: Getting no reply from this mailing list

[John W Foster]

-Original Message-
From: surreal 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Getting no reply from this mailing list
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:40:04 +0530

Its a couple of times I have noticed that I am not getting reply in my
inbox.. 

I had raised some queries and people had replied to it, but I didnt get
any of it in my inbox, had to manually go and see it.. 

Is there some problem with mailing list software or is it under heavy
stress due to traffic?? 

I hope this issue will be resolved soon. 

Regards.

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Just a guess but since I see your mail provider is Gmail I suggest you
check your filters in your gmail account. I had this issue as Gmail
recognizes replies with your mail address in the header as duplicates &
tosses them out. I could never get it corrected & eventually changed to
using the mail server that Verizon provides with the ISP account for
lists & such. I still use gmail for a lot of mail, just not for anything
where I want to see my original posting. 
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Re: where is angband?

[Tom Furie]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:35:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 2010-03-10 16:47, Martin wrote:
 I downloaded 5 DVD Lenny 5.0.4.
 As I was browsing packages with aptitude I noticed that there
 is angband-doc but angband is (UNAVAILABLE).

> Why wouldn't it be this?
>
> r...@haggis:~# apt-get install foobar
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> E: Couldn't find package foobar

Because he's using the aptitude tui (should that be c(urses)ui?). If a
referenced package is not available, then it shows (UNAVAILABLE) next to
the package name.

Cheers,
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Re: where is angband?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-10 20:24, Mark Allums wrote:

On 3/10/2010 5:25 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-10 16:47, Martin wrote:

I downloaded 5 DVD Lenny 5.0.4.
As I was browsing packages with aptitude I noticed that there
is angband-doc but angband is (UNAVAILABLE).



What do you mean "(UNAVAILABLE)"?

(Why in God's name don't people put error messages in their emails?
Aren't geeks supposed to be smarter than lusers?)




Ron, you seem a bit cranky.

UNAVAILABLE *is* the error message.  It's not in Lenny.



Why wouldn't it be this?

r...@haggis:~# apt-get install foobar
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package foobar

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Re: where is angband?

[Mark Allums]

On 3/10/2010 5:25 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-10 16:47, Martin wrote:

I downloaded 5 DVD Lenny 5.0.4.
As I was browsing packages with aptitude I noticed that there
is angband-doc but angband is (UNAVAILABLE).



What do you mean "(UNAVAILABLE)"?

(Why in God's name don't people put error messages in their emails?
Aren't geeks supposed to be smarter than lusers?)




Ron, you seem a bit cranky.

UNAVAILABLE *is* the error message.  It's not in Lenny.



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Re: Debian 5 security issue

[Mark Allums]

On 2010-03-09 21:46, Bret Busby wrote:


In running sybaptic, to check for available system updates, I
encountered the following message, and it is not the first time that I
have encountered the message.

"Granted permissions without asking for password
The '/usr/sbin/synaptic' program was started with the privileges of
the root user without the need to ask for a password, due to your
system's authentication mechanism setup.

It is possible that you are being allowed to run specific programs as
user root without the need for a password, or that the password is
cached.

This is not a problem report; it's simply a notification to make sure
you are aware of this."

I have not knowingly configured the system to institute this system
security breach.
How do I eliminate
this system security breach?



This is standard behavior for GNOME, you can turn it off.  I can't 
remember how, but it is a gnome option, available inside the GUI.  Look 
for it.




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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe]

Clive McBarton  wrote:
> and while the system is turned off. The "online to offline" comparison
> works fine, whereas the "offline to online" does not always work, hence

What exactly does "not always" mean?
Maybe it's just the periodic fsck which changes the mount count?
Check your fstab for the last field (fs_passno). Set either this to 0 to
disable periodic checks and/or use tune2fs -c and tune2fs -i to disable
periodic full checks (not recommended, btw.).


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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Clive McBarton]

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thib wrote:
>>> Would you care to share your solution, Clive?
>>
>> Currently I take checksums of the partition regularly during operation
>> and while the system is turned off. The "online to offline" comparison
>> works fine, whereas the "offline to online" does not always work, hence
>> this thread.
> 
> Just curious actually;  do you use a simple live CD, a USB device,
> bootstrap via a secure network (PXE?), or..?  Do you know of/use some
> targetted software/efforts to do that or did you hack something together?

Any boot medium like CD or USB works, it does not matter which. Network
might work but is more hassle (extra server needed) and less secure,
since that boot server might be vulnerable the same way as the machine
it's supposed to check.

I know of no software that does what I want, so I just take checksums
with md5sum manually and write the result on paper somewhate. That's
low-tech, slow, time-consuming, but very robust.

There may be software out there but I don't know of any, particularly
such that can check partitions, just software that merely checks files.

> To get back on the original topic, do you plan to forward the discussion
> to an extfs specific list (or somewhere else)?  I think d-user@ is stuck
> at this point.  I'm asking because I'm interested, too.

I'm pretty sure now that the last mont time and last modify time are
what I see changing. Hence this is no longer an ext3 issue that I could
discuss on an extfs list. On the contrary, if there is an fs that does
not change on boot, I'd use it. Maybe your beloved xfs, thib?

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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Clive McBarton]

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> Note that "Last write time:" might not mean what you think it does.  I
> say that because on my system /dev/sda2 is / and I've written a whole
> bunch of data to it in the past 25.5 days, yet the LWT still matches the
> LMT.

Very interesting. I wasn't surprised that they match for me, since I
mount it read-only, so as soon as my kernel is up enough to read and
care about /etc/fstab, it will not modify it anymore anyway. It's
interesting to know that even people with read-write partitions see
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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-10 18:58, Clive McBarton wrote:


Ron Johnson wrote:

# dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda2 | grep time
dumpe2fs 1.41.10 (10-Feb-2009)
Last mount time:  Sat Feb 13 08:39:01 2010
Last write time:  Sat Feb 13 08:39:01 2010



Great command. Good to know it.

I used that and found out that the last mount & last write time are
indeed the time I booted (actually 15 minutes later, surprisingly
enough). So indeed something behaves badly during boot, or shortly
thereafter.


Note that "Last write time:" might not mean what you think it does. 
 I say that because on my system /dev/sda2 is / and I've written a 
whole bunch of data to it in the past 25.5 days, yet the LWT still 
matches the LMT.


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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Clive McBarton]

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> # dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda2 | grep time
> dumpe2fs 1.41.10 (10-Feb-2009)
> Last mount time:  Sat Feb 13 08:39:01 2010
> Last write time:  Sat Feb 13 08:39:01 2010
> 

Great command. Good to know it.

I used that and found out that the last mount & last write time are
indeed the time I booted (actually 15 minutes later, surprisingly
enough). So indeed something behaves badly during boot, or shortly
thereafter.
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Re: Vfat or NTFS?

[Roger Leigh]

On 10/03/2010 21:27, Kelly Clowers wrote:

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 07:12, Osamu Aoki  wrote:



Last time I tried using UDF on a USB stick, Windows wouldn't look at it.
That was XP SP3, though, I haven't tried it with Vista or 7


It works fine for me with 7, and I understand it works in Vista as well. 
 IIRC XP doesn't have UDF write support.  Obviously works in Linux! 
(bar the issue I mentioned in my other post)



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Re: Vfat or NTFS?

[Roger Leigh]

On 10/03/2010 14:47, Jon Dowland wrote:

Last time this was asked someone suggested UDF, which I
thought was novel.

You can stick a UDF filesystem onto a block device from
Debian using "mkudffs" in the "udftools" package.

What nobody has clarified is whether this can be witnessed
from a co-installed Windows...


If you format with the right options, then it works in both Linux and 
Windows.  Just a case of picking the right blocksize; for some reason 
Windows is picky and can only use one size.  I tried this a couple of 
weeks back (before switching to ext2), and while it initially appeared 
to work, I ran into problems.


While df [-i] showed that only a small fraction of the total data
blocks and inodes were used, I was unable to create any more files or 
directories after copying about 100 GiB of data over to the UDF 
filesystem.  At that point, mkdir, touch etc. would all fail with ENOSPC.


This wasn't a UDF issue, it was a Linux issue.  Taking the same disk and 
using it in Windows, I could continue to fill up the filesystem with 
more files which were then readable in Linux, but I still couldn't 
create new files nor append to old ones.  Probably a bug in the udf 
filesystem driver?  I'd report it, but I'm not sure of the best place 
(the sources don't look like they have an active maintainer from a quick 
git clone).  I'm also going to stick with ext2 for the time being since 
I can get a sustained transfer rate of ~65MiB/sec which I just never 
came close to with NTFS as it was maxing out the CPU (this is all on an 
external FireWire 800 drive).



Regards,
Roger


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Squeeze KDE desktop icons

[James Zuelow]

After upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze my DKE desktop sure is different.

I'm getting used to the KDE4 way of doing things, but some things seem stuck on 
automatic mode without an easy way for the user to modify them.

For example, if I put my desktop in "folder view" mode and change any settings 
relating to icons, they get moved into a sort order -- even when I have "lock 
icons in place" checked.  There does not seem to be a "do not sort icons" 
option anymore.

And most annoyingly, all of my http:// and fish:// shortcuts are now 
represented with question mark icons.

If I right click on the shortcut, click properties, and click on the settings 
wrench icon I can get the properties for .desktop shortcuts, not the underlying 
http:// or fish:// protocols.

Opening the system settings dialog, going to advanced and looking at mime types 
doesn't seem to have settings for them anymore.

Does anyone know how I can restore the old behavior where a desktop shortcut 
pointing to an http:// URL had one icon, and a fish:// shortcut had another?

James

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Re: rendering languages?

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 10 March 2010 03:23:37 Zachary Uram wrote:
> Instead of seeing Japanese characters I see a bunch of square boxes.
> If I copy/paste into Gedit I see same weird boxes.

I used to have this problem, but this is what I now see, and I have 
successfully copy-pasted it into OpenOffice.org and Kwrite, as well as to 
here.

畠山 祥子

I don't know what exactly solved the problem, but something did.  Presumably 
one of the folowing - or both!

I installed some Japanese fonts and installed and configured Skim.

That's it. I  now see Japanese symbols, both kanji and kana.

HTH
Lisi


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Re: where is angband?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-10 16:47, Martin wrote:

I downloaded 5 DVD Lenny 5.0.4.
As I was browsing packages with aptitude I noticed that there
is angband-doc but angband is (UNAVAILABLE).



What do you mean "(UNAVAILABLE)"?

(Why in God's name don't people put error messages in their emails? 
 Aren't geeks supposed to be smarter than lusers?)


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Re: where is angband?

[thib]

Martin wrote:

I downloaded 5 DVD Lenny 5.0.4.
As I was browsing packages with aptitude I noticed that there
is angband-doc but angband is (UNAVAILABLE).

Martin


In non-free[1].

[1] http://packages.debian.org/lenny/angband

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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[thib]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-10 16:30, thib wrote:

Maybe I missed something relevant.


# dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda2 | grep time
dumpe2fs 1.41.10 (10-Feb-2009)
Last mount time:  Sat Feb 13 08:39:01 2010
Last write time:  Sat Feb 13 08:39:01 2010


I will not comment on this.

..

Of course, I knew about this utility.
Maybe.

Damn.

:-)

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Re: Enigmail problem in icedove

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-10 17:10, Merciadri Luca wrote:

Here is a message where I have introduced once a bad passphrase for
PGP/MIME. Here are accentued characters in somewhat random words: `La
poupée a été créée.'



I see the accents.  Are they not supposed to be there?

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where is angband?

[Martin]

I downloaded 5 DVD Lenny 5.0.4.
As I was browsing packages with aptitude I noticed that there
is angband-doc but angband is (UNAVAILABLE).

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Re: Enigmail problem in icedove

[Merciadri Luca]

The previous e-mail I sent to the list was completely broken, and is due
to the problem I am encountering with enigmail. This is a good example,
as the e-mail was actually illegible. Hope it helps.

Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-03-10 15:46, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
>> that has been posted to linux.debian.user as well.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think that I have a special problem in Icedove's enigmail add-on.
>> When I click `Send' to send my message, I am prompted for my PGP
>> passphrase. No problem, I had configured this. However, if I mispell
>> my passphrase, Icedove will continuously asks me for my passphrase
>> til I type the good passphrase (i.e. the one that matches). That is
>> normal, but if the first passphrase (which I type at the first dialog
>> box) is mispelled, the resulting e-mail is completely weirdly
>> transformed: sometimes, the accents are rendered as `=E2' or
>> characters like these. This is the best case, as, sometimes, the sent
>> e-mail is completely empty.
>>
>> It seems to be a bug. Is there somebody else experiencing this
>> problem? I think that I have filled a bug about it, but as I am
>> having problems with MUAs/MTAs for a while, it is quite possible that
>> this bug was not sent, actually.
>>
>
> Did you file the bug against icedove or enigmail?
>


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Re: Enigmail problem in icedove

[Merciadri Luca]

>> >> When I click `Send' to send my message, I am prompted for my PGP
>> >> passphrase. No problem, I had configured this. However, if I mispel=
l
>> >> my passphrase, Icedove will continuously asks me for my passphrase
>> >> til I type the good passphrase (i.e. the one that matches). That is=

>> >> normal, but if the first passphrase (which I type at the first dial=
og
>> >> box) is mispelled, the resulting e-mail is completely weirdly
>> >> transformed: sometimes, the accents are rendered as `=3DE2' or
>> >> characters like these. This is the best case, as, sometimes, the se=
nt
>> >> e-mail is completely empty.
>> >>
>> >> It seems to be a bug. Is there somebody else experiencing this
>> >> problem? I think that I have filled a bug about it, but as I am
>> >> having problems with MUAs/MTAs for a while, it is quite possible th=
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>> >> this bug was not sent, actually.
>> >>
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> > Did you file the bug against icedove or enigmail?
> >
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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-10 16:30, thib wrote:

Stephen Powell wrote:

Actually, that could be an important clue.  Perhaps the "last mount date"
is what is being updated.  And since both mounts were on the same day,
the date did not change.  But if you reboot tomorrow ...

I don't know if that's it, of course.  It's just a theory at this point.
The trouble with diagnosing something like that is that you can only
run one test per day (unless you mess with the system clock).


You can find the ext3_super_block data structure in linux/ext3_fs.h[1], 
line 444 in current mainline 2.6.



[snip]


Maybe I missed something relevant.




# dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda2 | grep time
dumpe2fs 1.41.10 (10-Feb-2009)
Last mount time:  Sat Feb 13 08:39:01 2010
Last write time:  Sat Feb 13 08:39:01 2010

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Re: Enigmail problem in icedove

[Merciadri Luca]

Here is a message where I have introduced once a bad passphrase for
PGP/MIME. Here are accentued characters in somewhat random words: `La
poupée a été créée.'

Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-03-10 15:46, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
>> that has been posted to linux.debian.user as well.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think that I have a special problem in Icedove's enigmail add-on.
>> When I click `Send' to send my message, I am prompted for my PGP
>> passphrase. No problem, I had configured this. However, if I mispell
>> my passphrase, Icedove will continuously asks me for my passphrase
>> til I type the good passphrase (i.e. the one that matches). That is
>> normal, but if the first passphrase (which I type at the first dialog
>> box) is mispelled, the resulting e-mail is completely weirdly
>> transformed: sometimes, the accents are rendered as `=E2' or
>> characters like these. This is the best case, as, sometimes, the sent
>> e-mail is completely empty.
>>
>> It seems to be a bug. Is there somebody else experiencing this
>> problem? I think that I have filled a bug about it, but as I am
>> having problems with MUAs/MTAs for a while, it is quite possible that
>> this bug was not sent, actually.
>>
>
> Did you file the bug against icedove or enigmail?
>


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Re: Enigmail problem in icedove

[Merciadri Luca]

Yes, but as a package (`icedove'), but I cannot see it in Debian bugs'
list. Should I file it against icedove directly, without any relation to
Debian?

Can somebody reproduce this bug too? In my next e-mail, I shall try to
show this bug. Consequently, my next e-mail could appear as broken, or
illegible. That is normal, do not worry.

Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-03-10 15:46, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
>> that has been posted to linux.debian.user as well.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think that I have a special problem in Icedove's enigmail add-on.
>> When I click `Send' to send my message, I am prompted for my PGP
>> passphrase. No problem, I had configured this. However, if I mispell
>> my passphrase, Icedove will continuously asks me for my passphrase
>> til I type the good passphrase (i.e. the one that matches). That is
>> normal, but if the first passphrase (which I type at the first dialog
>> box) is mispelled, the resulting e-mail is completely weirdly
>> transformed: sometimes, the accents are rendered as `=E2' or
>> characters like these. This is the best case, as, sometimes, the sent
>> e-mail is completely empty.
>>
>> It seems to be a bug. Is there somebody else experiencing this
>> problem? I think that I have filled a bug about it, but as I am
>> having problems with MUAs/MTAs for a while, it is quite possible that
>> this bug was not sent, actually.
>>
>
> Did you file the bug against icedove or enigmail?
>


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Re: Enigmail problem in icedove

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-10 15:46, Merciadri Luca wrote:

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to linux.debian.user as well.

Hi,

I think that I have a special problem in Icedove's enigmail add-on. When I 
click `Send' to send my message, I am prompted for my PGP passphrase. No 
problem, I had configured this. However, if I mispell my passphrase, Icedove 
will continuously asks me for my passphrase til I type the good passphrase 
(i.e. the one that matches). That is normal, but if the first passphrase (which 
I type at the first dialog box) is mispelled, the resulting e-mail is 
completely weirdly transformed: sometimes, the accents are rendered as `=E2' or 
characters like these. This is the best case, as, sometimes, the sent e-mail is 
completely empty.

It seems to be a bug. Is there somebody else experiencing this problem? I think 
that I have filled a bug about it, but as I am having problems with MUAs/MTAs 
for a while, it is quite possible that this bug was not sent, actually.



Did you file the bug against icedove or enigmail?

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Re: Bash email attachment

[Raven]

On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 09:54 +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 02:53:38PM +0100, Raven wrote:
> > 
> > To encode the image I use:
> > 
> > /usr/bin/uuencode img.jpg img.jpg > attachment.txt
> > cat hdr.txt body.txt attachment.txt > message.txt
> > $SENDMAIL "-f" $4 "--" $2  > 
> > 
> > Anyone knows how to solve this?
> 
> Have a look at mpack.  I use it regularly to send attachments from the
> commandline.
> 
> Regards
> Johann

Thank you all for the responses.
Unfortunately the only thing I was successful with was Mutt. I would be
fine with it if it wasn't for the fact that emails originate from the
system account "filter" (who has the rights to run the content-filter
script) rather than a generic address that users could actually reply
to.
Could you please post (or email me privately) an example using mpack or
mmenconde that allows to manually insert headers (such as To:, From:,
Reply-To: and Return-Path:)?
It seems I am not able to replicate correctly the MIME info resulting in
the jpeg attachment not being read by the BlackBerry email client.

Thanks

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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[thib]

Stephen Powell wrote:

Actually, that could be an important clue.  Perhaps the "last mount date"
is what is being updated.  And since both mounts were on the same day,
the date did not change.  But if you reboot tomorrow ...

I don't know if that's it, of course.  It's just a theory at this point.
The trouble with diagnosing something like that is that you can only
run one test per day (unless you mess with the system clock).


You can find the ext3_super_block data structure in linux/ext3_fs.h[1], line 
444 in current mainline 2.6.


I noted:
...
__le32  s_mtime;/* Mount time */
/*30*/  __le32  s_wtime;/* Write time */
__le16  s_mnt_count;/* Mount count */
...
__le16  s_state;/* File system state */
...
/*40*/  __le32  s_lastcheck;/* time of last check */
...
/*88*/  chars_last_mounted[64]; /* directory where last mounted */
...
__le64  s_mmp_block;/* Block for multi-mount protection */
...

* The mount time is set by cpu_to_le32(get_seconds()) in fs/ext3/super.c 
l1326, so it stores a timestamp in seconds (sorry Stephen).  cpu_to_le32() 
just byte swaps to little-endian if necessary, in case you're wondering.


* The write time is actually the time the superblock itself was last 
written.  Explanation in fs/ext3/super.c l2366:


/*
 * If the file system is mounted read-only, don't update the
 * superblock write time.  This avoids updating the superblock
 * write time when we are mounting the root file system
 * read/only but we need to replay the journal; at that point,
 * for people who are east of GMT and who make their clock
 * tick in localtime for Windows bug-for-bug compatibility,
 * the clock is set in the future, and this will cause e2fsck
 * to complain and force a full file system check.
 */
if (!(sb->s_flags & MS_RDONLY))
es->s_wtime = cpu_to_le32(get_seconds());

* The "state" is a quite vague term, at least at first glance.  Possible 
values seem to be:


#define EXT3_VALID_FS   0x0001  /* Unmounted cleanly */
#define EXT3_ERROR_FS   0x0002  /* Errors detected */
#define EXT3_ORPHAN_FS  0x0004  /* Orphans being recovered */

It should then not change during normal operation.

* Apparently, the time of last check and the last mounted directory are 
never touched by the kernel.  Might want to investigate userspace mount(8).


BTW, 64 bytes max for the entire path?  Really?  :/
If you ever try to mount a filesystem in a deep hierarchy, you might want to 
remember this if something goes haywire.


* I don't know what the block for multi-mount protection is, I just 
mentioned it in case it's some kind of lock to prevent multiple mounts, in 
which case it would updated at each mount (but why store that on-disk?)


Never touched by the kernel itself either.

-

Maybe I missed something relevant.

[1] 
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob_plain;f=include/linux/ext3_fs.h;hb=HEAD



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Enigmail problem in icedove

[Merciadri Luca]

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to linux.debian.user as well.

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Hash: SHA1

Hi,

I think that I have a special problem in Icedove's enigmail add-on. When I 
click `Send' to send my message, I am prompted for my PGP passphrase. No 
problem, I had configured this. However, if I mispell my passphrase, Icedove 
will continuously asks me for my passphrase til I type the good passphrase 
(i.e. the one that matches). That is normal, but if the first passphrase (which 
I type at the first dialog box) is mispelled, the resulting e-mail is 
completely weirdly transformed: sometimes, the accents are rendered as `=E2' or 
characters like these. This is the best case, as, sometimes, the sent e-mail is 
completely empty.

It seems to be a bug. Is there somebody else experiencing this problem? I think 
that I have filled a bug about it, but as I am having problems with MUAs/MTAs 
for a while, it is quite possible that this bug was not sent, actually.

Thanks.
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Re: Vfat or NTFS?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 07:12, Osamu Aoki  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 02:47:19PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
>> Last time this was asked someone suggested UDF, which I
>> thought was novel.
>>
>> You can stick a UDF filesystem onto a block device from
>> Debian using "mkudffs" in the "udftools" package.
>>
>> What nobody has clarified is whether this can be witnessed
>> from a co-installed Windows...
>
> This is god point.  There is table of OS compatibility.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format
>
> I should try this :-) I have been more-or-less VFAT user.  This UDF is
> good standard based cross platform file format...
>
> Osamu

Last time I tried using UDF on a USB stick, Windows wouldn't look at it.
That was XP SP3, though, I haven't tried it with Vista or 7


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[thib]

Clive McBarton wrote:

The "online to offline" comparison has value, just the "offline to
online" comparison does not. More precisely: You never know if any
checksums taken on a running system are reported correctly. But: If you
take an online system (powered up), take checksums of important files or
partitions, and they are the same after the system later becomes offline
(powered down), then they were reported correctly to begin with. Whereas
if they were correct before running it and are then are reported correct
while the system is running, it does not tell you anything.


Oh yep, I stand corrected.


Would you care to share your solution, Clive?


Currently I take checksums of the partition regularly during operation
and while the system is turned off. The "online to offline" comparison
works fine, whereas the "offline to online" does not always work, hence
this thread.


Just curious actually;  do you use a simple live CD, a USB device, bootstrap 
via a secure network (PXE?), or..?  Do you know of/use some targetted 
software/efforts to do that or did you hack something together?



To get back on the original topic, do you plan to forward the discussion to 
an extfs specific list (or somewhere else)?  I think d-user@ is stuck at 
this point.  I'm asking because I'm interested, too.


-thib


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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:24:48 -0500 (EST), Clive McBarton wrote:
> Cameron Hutchison wrote:
>> If it were me trying to diagnose this, I would be diffing the images
>> that should be the same and seeing where they are different.
>
> OK. I tried that. Unfortunately more rebooting did not produce any new
> change in the boot partition. :(
>
> Things get even more mysterious. Not that I mind it not changing, but
> now I can't find out why it did change previously.

Actually, that could be an important clue.  Perhaps the "last mount date"
is what is being updated.  And since both mounts were on the same day,
the date did not change.  But if you reboot tomorrow ...

I don't know if that's it, of course.  It's just a theory at this point.
The trouble with diagnosing something like that is that you can only
run one test per day (unless you mess with the system clock).

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Re: device name problem after update

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:25:40 -0500 (EST), Angelin Lalev wrote:
> 
> Well, It probably is something I have done. The installation is at
> least one year old (so I had the time to screw something up) and I'm
> not very familiar with linux (BSD fan).
> I'll think I'll try to put uuids in menu.lst...

Good luck.  But please trim your posts.

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Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Clive McBarton]

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Cameron Hutchison wrote:
> If it were me trying to diagnose this, I would be diffing the images
> that should be the same and seeing where they are different.

OK. I tried that. Unfortunately more rebooting did not produce any new
change in the boot partition. :(

Things get even more mysterious. Not that I mind it not changing, but
now I can't find out why it did change previously.
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Re: device name problem after update

[Angelin Lalev]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Paul E Condon
 wrote:
> On 20100310_204803, Angelin Lalev wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Paul E Condon
>>  wrote:
>> > On 20100309_225735, Angelin Lalev wrote:
>> >> After almost each update of my debian lenny kernel I have my IDE disk
>> >> name changed. Once it's hda1 then is hdc1 and keeps flip-flopping. Is
>> >> it a known problem?
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'm aware of an issue with naming devices in Squeeze, but you say
>> > Lenny.  Are you sure you are using Lenny, i.e. stable, as opposed to
>> > Squeeze, i.e. testing?
>> >
>> > --
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>> > pecon...@mesanetworks.net
>> >
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>>
>> Thanks for the information. Now I know what's doing it and how to fix
>> it. But I will send some more information just in case it's a bug. I
>> use lenny and never touched the fstab of that machine manually. But I
>> run xen which loads it's own "xenified" kernel.
>>
>> My /boot/grub/menu.lst (I run debian and ubuntu virtual machines on
>> their own real partitions)
>> I use the first row always (currently Xen 3.2-1-i386)
>> ===
>>
>> server:~# cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -v \# | grep -v ^$
>> default         0
>> timeout         30
>> color cyan/blue white/blue
>> title           Xen 3.2-1-i386 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/xen-3.2-1-i386.gz
>> module          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro console=tty0
>> module          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686
>> title           Xen 3.2-1-i386 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-686
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/xen-3.2-1-i386.gz
>> module          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro console=tty0
>> module          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28.9-al1
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28.9-al1 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28.9-al1
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28.9-al1 (single-user mode)
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28.9-al1 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28.9-al1
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28-11-server
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28-11-server (single-user mode)
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686 (single-user mode)
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-686
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-686 (single-user mode)
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-686
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-686 (single-user mode)
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
>> title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 (single-user mode)
>> root            (hd0,0)
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
>> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
>> title           Other operating systems
>> title           Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-server
>> uuid            297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5
>> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server
>> root=UUID=297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5 ro quiet splash
>> initrd          /boot/initrd

Re: /boot partition changes when it should not

[Clive McBarton]

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thib wrote:
> Sorry, I meant, how would you run the hashing program before the
> reboot?  I think it has little value if it's ran by the live system
> beeing checked. Sames goes for a check after the actual boot - only a
> hypervising or external system should do it.

The "online to offline" comparison has value, just the "offline to
online" comparison does not. More precisely: You never know if any
checksums taken on a running system are reported correctly. But: If you
take an online system (powered up), take checksums of important files or
partitions, and they are the same after the system later becomes offline
(powered down), then they were reported correctly to begin with. Whereas
if they were correct before running it and are then are reported correct
while the system is running, it does not tell you anything.

> Would you care to share your solution, Clive?

Currently I take checksums of the partition regularly during operation
and while the system is turned off. The "online to offline" comparison
works fine, whereas the "offline to online" does not always work, hence
this thread.
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Postscript, PDF Problems with Iceape and OpenOffice

[Thomas H. George]

The iceape browser will open foo.ps files with viewer but not foo.pdf
files which it tries to re-save.

Openoffice3 opens either of these file types as if they were ascii
files.

file foo.ps reports foo.ps: PostScript document text conforming DSC level 3.0, 
Level 2

file foo.pdf reports foo.pdf: PDF document, version 1.4

Needless to say gs and xpdf open their respective files with no
problems.

Something has changed - Openoffice? and Iceape? or something in my
Debian Squeeze setup?

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Please recommend: Simple, Web-based Issue tracking system for internal use

[Tech Geek]

Hi all,

I am planning to use a issue tracking system (on Debian Lenny PC) for
reporting bugs against software packages (not related to Debian or any linux
distribution) internal to my organization. Here is a brief overview of the
process...

**
Let's say the first version of a software package is released with the
following name:
SW-PKG-A-R1.0

Now after passing of certain amount of time few bugs/features are reported
against it this release. Consequently some of the bugs/featurs will be fixed
in the next minor release:
SW-PKG-A-R1.1

or may be deffered until a major release:
 SW-PKG-A-R2.0

Similarly there will be software packages like:
 SW-PKG-B-R1.0
 SW-PKG-C-R1.0
and so on which will also go through the same cycle.

**

So basically I am looking for an issue tracking system which will:
a) Let people in my organization know about the status of the bug/features
against each package. They can just go to
http://mymachine/
and see the overall status

b) Let people in my organization file bug reports and feature request via
web browser.

c) Let the admin of the system (mostly me) set the status of the requests.
For example:
- will be fixed in next release
- will not fixed
- fixed
- closed
etc.

So far I have tried the "mantis" and I think it is quite good but I  find
the interface confusing sometimes. I would like to know if there is a better
issue tracking system (trac, roundup?) that will suffice my needs.

Please note that the scalability is not an issue since at the most only 5
people will use this system including the admin person.

Thanks.

Re: device name problem after update

[Paul E Condon]

On 20100310_204803, Angelin Lalev wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Paul E Condon
>  wrote:
> > On 20100309_225735, Angelin Lalev wrote:
> >> After almost each update of my debian lenny kernel I have my IDE disk
> >> name changed. Once it's hda1 then is hdc1 and keeps flip-flopping. Is
> >> it a known problem?
> >>
> >
> > I'm aware of an issue with naming devices in Squeeze, but you say
> > Lenny.  Are you sure you are using Lenny, i.e. stable, as opposed to
> > Squeeze, i.e. testing?
> >
> > --
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> > pecon...@mesanetworks.net
> >
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> 
> Thanks for the information. Now I know what's doing it and how to fix
> it. But I will send some more information just in case it's a bug. I
> use lenny and never touched the fstab of that machine manually. But I
> run xen which loads it's own "xenified" kernel.
> 
> My /boot/grub/menu.lst (I run debian and ubuntu virtual machines on
> their own real partitions)
> I use the first row always (currently Xen 3.2-1-i386)
> ===
> 
> server:~# cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -v \# | grep -v ^$
> default 0
> timeout 30
> color cyan/blue white/blue
> title   Xen 3.2-1-i386 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/xen-3.2-1-i386.gz
> module  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro console=tty0
> module  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686
> title   Xen 3.2-1-i386 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-686
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/xen-3.2-1-i386.gz
> module  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro console=tty0
> module  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28.9-al1
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28.9-al1 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28.9-al1
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28.9-al1 (single-user mode)
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28.9-al1 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28.9-al1
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28-11-server
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28-11-server (single-user mode)
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686 (single-user mode)
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-686
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-686 (single-user mode)
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-686
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-686 (single-user mode)
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 (single-user mode)
> root(hd0,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
> title   Other operating systems
> title   Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-server
> uuid297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server
> root=UUID=297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5 ro quiet splash
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server
> quiet
> title   Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-server (recovery mode)
> uuid297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5
>

Re: device name problem after update

[Angelin Lalev]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Paul E Condon
 wrote:
> On 20100309_225735, Angelin Lalev wrote:
>> After almost each update of my debian lenny kernel I have my IDE disk
>> name changed. Once it's hda1 then is hdc1 and keeps flip-flopping. Is
>> it a known problem?
>>
>
> I'm aware of an issue with naming devices in Squeeze, but you say
> Lenny.  Are you sure you are using Lenny, i.e. stable, as opposed to
> Squeeze, i.e. testing?
>
> --
> Paul E Condon
> pecon...@mesanetworks.net
>
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>

Thanks for the information. Now I know what's doing it and how to fix
it. But I will send some more information just in case it's a bug. I
use lenny and never touched the fstab of that machine manually. But I
run xen which loads it's own "xenified" kernel.

My /boot/grub/menu.lst (I run debian and ubuntu virtual machines on
their own real partitions)
I use the first row always (currently Xen 3.2-1-i386)
===

server:~# cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -v \# | grep -v ^$
default 0
timeout 30
color cyan/blue white/blue
title   Xen 3.2-1-i386 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/xen-3.2-1-i386.gz
module  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro console=tty0
module  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686
title   Xen 3.2-1-i386 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-686
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/xen-3.2-1-i386.gz
module  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro console=tty0
module  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28.9-al1
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28.9-al1 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28.9-al1
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28.9-al1 (single-user mode)
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28.9-al1 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28.9-al1
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28-11-server
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.28-11-server (single-user mode)
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686 (single-user mode)
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-686
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-686 (single-user mode)
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-686
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-686 (single-user mode)
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 (single-user mode)
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro single
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
title   Other operating systems
title   Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-server
uuid297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server
root=UUID=297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5 ro quiet splash
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server
quiet
title   Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-server (recovery mode)
uuid297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server
root=UUID=297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5 ro  single
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server
title   Ubuntu 9.04, memtest86+
uuid297ae396-2033-42da-ad3b-640b5f3f01d5
kernel   

Re: device name problem after update

[Paul E Condon]

On 20100309_225735, Angelin Lalev wrote:
> After almost each update of my debian lenny kernel I have my IDE disk
> name changed. Once it's hda1 then is hdc1 and keeps flip-flopping. Is
> it a known problem?
> 

I'm aware of an issue with naming devices in Squeeze, but you say
Lenny.  Are you sure you are using Lenny, i.e. stable, as opposed to
Squeeze, i.e. testing?

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Re: how to install debian on an usb pendrive

[olafrv]

Debian: wiki.debian.org/BootUsb 

Canaima Debian flavor: http://www.olafrv.com/?p=158

--Original Message--
From: Vadkan Jozsef
To: Debian User Mailing list
Subject: how to install debian on an usb pendrive
Sent: Mar 10, 2010 12:30 PM

Does someone has any docs/howtos/solutions about it? :\ i would thank
that:\

I just want a netinstall on a pendrive. [but when i just boot from a cd,
and install to the pendrive, it just "hangs" for 2 days, formatting the
pendrive... :\]

thank you!


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Re: how to install debian on an usb pendrive

[Aioanei Rares]

Vadkan Jozsef wrote:

Does someone has any docs/howtos/solutions about it? :\ i would thank
that:\

I just want a netinstall on a pendrive. [but when i just boot from a cd,
and install to the pendrive, it just "hangs" for 2 days, formatting the
pendrive... :\]

thank you!


  
First of all, google can help a lot about this. Second, there's nothing 
special you should do except maybe being more careful about the 
filesystem options (eg journaling can wear out your drive faster - see a 
previous thread on this list regrading installing on a external drive). 
If it just hangs, it means that the I/O is slow enough to make your 
pendrive hardly usable for this purpose.



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how to install debian on an usb pendrive

[Vadkan Jozsef]

Does someone has any docs/howtos/solutions about it? :\ i would thank
that:\

I just want a netinstall on a pendrive. [but when i just boot from a cd,
and install to the pendrive, it just "hangs" for 2 days, formatting the
pendrive... :\]

thank you!


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Re: Getting no reply from this mailing list

[surreal]

Have you done your part of work


Mailing list postings may only be replied to mainling list.  Unless you
subscribed to mailing list, you do not got replies to mainling list in
your mailing list.

Yes, i have subscribed to it.

You can read mailing list archive at:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

Thank you.

As I searched via google, you are getting replies, for example: Yes.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/10/threads.html#3

Yes. Ands thats why i was wondering why am i not getting them..but i think
it might be a temporary problem. I got your reply in my inbox. And also its
seen that debian mailing lists are mirrored across various sites, sometimes
people reply at that place..

Regards.


2010/3/10 Osamu Aoki 

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:40:04AM +0530, surreal wrote:
> > Its a couple of times I have noticed that I am not getting reply in my
> > inbox..
>
> Have you done your part of work
>
> > I had raised some queries and people had replied to it, but I didnt get
> any
> > of it in my inbox, had to manually go and see it..
> >
> > Is there some problem with mailing list software or is it under heavy
> stress
> > due to traffic??
>
> Mailing list postings may only be replied to mainling list.  Unless you
> subscribed to mailing list, you do not got replies to mainling list in
> your mailing list.
>
> > I hope this issue will be resolved soon.
>
> You can read mailing list archive at:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
>
> As I searched via google, you are getting replies, for example:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/10/threads.html#3
>
> Osamu
>
>


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Re: Vfat or NTFS?

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 02:47:19PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> Last time this was asked someone suggested UDF, which I
> thought was novel.
> 
> You can stick a UDF filesystem onto a block device from
> Debian using "mkudffs" in the "udftools" package.
> 
> What nobody has clarified is whether this can be witnessed
> from a co-installed Windows...

This is god point.  There is table of OS compatibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format

I should try this :-) I have been more-or-less VFAT user.  This UDF is
good standard based cross platform file format...

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Re: editing grub in lenny to boot from ext4 partition

[Jimmy Johnson]

Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:



2010/3/10 Andrei Popescu >


On Wed,10.Mar.10, 00:27:19, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
 > So now i had installed grub2 and it does not automatically
detects a distro
 > i had installed (before installing debian) on /dev/sda3
 >
 > I saw this message on /boot/grub/grub.cfg
 > # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
 > #
 > # It is automatically generated by /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig using
templates
 > # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
 >
 > and do i proceed from here?

Install os-prober and re-run update-grub.


Thanks, the following is the steps taken (which is successful, of course)

   1. mount /dev/sda3 (the ext4 os partition) "tune2fs -E test_fs
  /dev/sda3;Â mount -t ext4dev /dev/sda3 /mnt/"
   2. copy its menu entry entry in /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
  to /etc/grub.d/40_custom
   3. run update-grub (it should say that it detects the other os's kernel)
   4. new entries for that os will be appended in /boot/grub/grub.cfg



Another way to boot an ext4 system is to add 'rootfstype=ext4' to the 
kernel line in the /boot/grub/menu.lst.

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Re: Overwrite existing partition with zeros without hurting partition table? (Debian Lenny)

[Michal]

>> For an educated man you make many assumptions, many
>> incorrectly.  I didn't say the code was bad because Reiser
>> is a bad man.  I said one of the reasons I wouldn't use
>> ReiserFS is because its author is a convicted murderer.
>> This has nothing to do with code, but supporting the work
>> of a criminal.

It would be hard for you to do much in this world without giving money
to organisation's that do bad in the world. Coke, starbucks, Burger
king, Governments... you get the picture.


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Re: Vfat or NTFS?

[Jon Dowland]

Last time this was asked someone suggested UDF, which I
thought was novel.

You can stick a UDF filesystem onto a block device from
Debian using "mkudffs" in the "udftools" package.

What nobody has clarified is whether this can be witnessed
from a co-installed Windows...


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Re: KDE and Squeeze

[Jimmy Johnson]

lrhorer wrote:

I loaded up an embedded system with Debian recently.  I was having
problems relating to the older kernel in Lenny, so I want ahead and
installed Squeeze.  I got things working, but I was mortified with
KDE4, which installed with Squeeze.  It's horrible.  I mean really,
really bad.  KDE3 wasn't exactly spectacular, but it was good enough. 
This hunk of junk, though, is really quite unacceptable. Ignoring the

fact that Kpackage was just plain broken - which I assume will be fixed
before Squeeze goes gold 




I have replaced kpackage with "gdebi-kde", gdebi lets you install local 
deb packages resolving and installing its dependencies. apt does the 
same, but only for remote (http, ftp) located packages.


I also use synaptic.



...is there a way to
get KDE4 to look and behave like KDE3?



I think the big difference is that kde4 is using dolphin for file 
management and not konqueror, but you can setup konqueror to be used as 
the filemanager just like it was in kde3, here's a little recipe I made 
to give me both a "User Filemanager" and a "SuperUser Filemanager":


OK, you can get red and blue icons for the kde4 menu from here: 
www.flickr.com/photos/23959...@n07/sets/72157622753407463/ I use the 
classic menu, if you don't know you can right click on the start button 
and change to the classic menu.


Right click on the menu start button and choose edit menu and click on 
the System Folder, that's where we are going to add the new file 
managers, first click New Item and Name it: "Konqueror - File Management 
SuperUser" and click OK, for the Description use the same as the Name, 
next is the Command: "konqueror -profile filemanagement", next click 
Advanced and check the box Run as different user.


Now go back to the General tab and click to add the icon, browse to the 
icon and select it.


Leave "Enable launch feedback" checked.

For the user just name it "Konqueror - File Management", the setup is 
the same but you don't use the advanced tab, leave out the above quotes 
and when you're done just click Save.


In konqueror you will need to set it up the way you like by using the 
settings tab, configure konqueror, general, use common view properties 
for all folders and then save you settings to filemanagement.

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Re: Overwrite existing partition with zeros without hurting partition table? (Debian Lenny)

[Jon Dowland]

disclaimer: I have no interest in the future of reiserfs3 or
4 and I've never been a user of it (although I have tried it
out once or twice).  I personally feel that any concepts
embedded within reiserfs that are worth salvaging would be
better implemented in another code-base.

On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 11:21:19PM -0600, Stan Hoeppner
wrote:
> For an educated man you make many assumptions, many
> incorrectly.  I didn't say the code was bad because Reiser
> is a bad man.  I said one of the reasons I wouldn't use
> ReiserFS is because its author is a convicted murderer.
> This has nothing to do with code, but supporting the work
> of a criminal.

"ReiserFS" might mean ReiserFS3 (in-kernel) or ReiserFS4
(not).

The copyright holders for ReiserFS3, as represented
in-kernel, are mixed, but largely Hans Reiser via copyright
assignment. The authors of the code are mixed, and it's
harder to say who wrote what, but I think the majority was
not by Reiser himself. (A list of the main contributors is
present in fs/reiserfs/README in the Linux source tree)

The copyright holder for all code in ReiserFS4 is namesys,
which is (or was) Hans Reiser (again due to copyright
assignment).  Again it's hard to say who "wrote" ReiserFS4.
Vladimir Saveliev is described as the "main programmer".
There are at least seven other major contributors.

> It's akin to not eating at a known Mafia owned/operated
> restaurant.  The food is most likely fantastic, but I
> wouldn't eat there because of who owns the joint.  I don't
> condone or support criminality.

You are of course entitled to your own moral code and
values.  This comparison suffers on one front, though:
eating in a mafia controlled restaurant means you are
directly financing crime.

It would appear Reiser's crime is entirely unrelated to the
ReiserFS filesystem family.  Using reiserfs3 or 4 less
obviously or directly supports Reiser in any fashion.

There's a possibility that using reiserfs4 contributes
towards it's popularity, which in turn might have an
influence on the likelyhood of commercial contracts with
Namesys for developing reiserfs4, which would result in
financially supporting Reiser.  But the company is currently
suspended and unable to take on contracts and it would seem
vanishingly unlikely that it will return.

> Novell, being headquartered in the Mormon capital of the
> world, Salt Lake City, Utah, announced the day Reiser was
> arrested (not convicted but arrested) that they were
> dropping ReiserFS as the default filesystem in SLED/SLES
> immediately, and would be moving to help permanently phase
> it out at customer sites ASAP.  Obviously this latter part
> didn't happen over night as it was deployed on many
> production servers.  Novell didn't do this because the
> code was bad.  They did it because religious/political
> forces dictated they distance themselves asap from Hans
> Reiser, especially given competent (and some would argue
> better) alternatives were available.  We haven't even
> touched the practical issues involved in continuing use of
> ReiserFS.

Some might argue that they needed an exit strategy from
ReiserFS (since the likelyhood of v4  being merged was
vanishingly small, and v3 was largely unmaintained), and
Reiser's conviction gave them just that.


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Re: Debian 5 security issue

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 22:46:31 -0500 (EST), Bret Busby wrote:
> 
> In running sybaptic, to check for available system updates, I 
> encountered the following message, and it is not the first time that I 
> have encountered the message.
> 
> "Granted permissions without asking for password
> 
> The '/usr/sbin/synaptic' program was started with the privileges of the 
> root user without the need to ask for a password, due to your system's 
> authentication mechanism setup.
>
> It is possible that you are being allowed to run specific programs as 
> user root without the need for a password, or that the password is 
> cached.
> 
> This is not a problem report; it's simply a notification to make sure 
> you are aware of this."
> 
> I have not knowingly configured the system to institute this system 
> security breach.
> 
> How do I eliminate this system security breach?
> 
> Thank you in anticipation.

On the default GNOME desktop, under
"Applications -> Accessories -> Root Terminal", you get a pop-up
window the first time you invoke it during your GNOME session that prompts
for the root password.  On that pop-up window is a check box which says,
"Remember password".  By default, it is checked.  If you enter the root
password correctly, fail to uncheck the box for "Remember password", and
then click on OK (or press Enter), then the root password is remembered.
The next time you click on "root terminal" in the same GNOME desktop session,
you will get a root terminal without having to supply a password.  I suspect
that "sybaptic" [sic] is keyed into the same security
mechanism.  There may be other administrative tools that require root access
that do a similar thing.  You really do need to pay attention to what is
on the screen.  It did what you told it to do.  Paying attention to what you
type might help too.  :-)

For the record, I think the default should be for the box to be unchecked.
Nevertheless, if you leave the box checked and click OK or press Enter,
then *you* are the one responsible for the security "breach".
GNOME gives you enough rope to hang yourself with, and if that's what
you want to do, it won't stop you.

Cheers,
SMP


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Re: Getting no reply from this mailing list

[thib]

Celejar wrote:

What do you mean "manually"?


Probably via an archive.

The lists servers are fine.  You should check your mail filters.

-thib


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Re: Iceweasel 3.5.6 global spellcheck

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:18:13 -0800, Dean Montgomery wrote:

>> * Base System: Lenny
>> * iceweasel: 3.5.6-1~bpo50+1
>> * myspell-en-us: 1:2.4.0-3
> 
> I found/fixed the problem:
>  cd /usr/lib/iceweasel
>  sudo ln -s ../../share/myspell/dicts dictionaries
> 
> Restart Firefox.  I'm not sure if I should report this as a bug or not.

JFYI, I can confirm that little bug with backport packages.

When updating one of my Lenny's Iceweasel (virtualized with vbox) it just 
stops checkspelling on text boxes fields. 

This also happens when using vanilla version of Firefox.

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Re: install debian without screen (on guruplug)

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 01:58:50PM +0100, Julien Vehent wrote:
> Hi Debian folks,
> 
> I was considering testing this little piece of hardware that guruplug is.
> http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=GuruPlug-Server
> 
> Very attractive, but no vga output. So, next question is: how do I install
> lenny without a display ?...

Through a serial console?

The Debian Installer (in text mode) should run just fine there.

I'm not really sure if the Debian Installer supports that platform
already. If not, you'll probably need a different method of
bootstrapping. E.g. throough debootstrap from the existing system
installed there.

http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/ may also apply.

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Re: Custom debian installeur on DVD

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 11:03:23AM +0100, marion.de...@fr.thalesgroup.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, I try to make a debian installeur DVD but customized. I
> explain : In my company, we used to install debian cusomized with
> other packages. We made an ISO and put it on an USB key bootable. We
> add preseed.seed and syslinux.cfg. It work really fine. But we want
> to do the same thing with a DVD installeur, if it's possible.
>
> I looked for a very long time on the different forum but I didn't
> found how to create my own DVD installeur with my own ISO. Would you

Generally either with the package debian-cd or with custom-cdd (not sure
of the package name).

However have you considered a netboot setup with a local apt-proxy
(apt-cache-ng, approx)?

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Re: Debian 5 security issue

[Tom H]

>> The '/usr/sbin/synaptic' program was started with the privileges of the
>> root user without the need to ask for a password, due to your system's
>> authentication mechanism setup.

>> It is possible that you are being allowed to run specific programs as user
>> root without the need for a password, or that the password is cached.

>> This is not a problem report; it's simply a notification to make sure you
>> are aware of this."

>> I have not knowingly configured the system to institute this system
>> security breach.

> At some point, "it" must have prompted you for the keyring passphrase, and
> you clicked "never ask me this again".

+1


>> How do I eliminate

> Don't know.

I do not have a GUI'd install of Debian to check this but, in Gnome,
"alt-f2, seahorse" should give you access to stored passwords and
auths.


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Re: Getting no reply from this mailing list

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:40:04AM +0530, surreal wrote:
> Its a couple of times I have noticed that I am not getting reply in my
> inbox..

Have you done your part of work
 
> I had raised some queries and people had replied to it, but I didnt get any
> of it in my inbox, had to manually go and see it..
> 
> Is there some problem with mailing list software or is it under heavy stress
> due to traffic??

Mailing list postings may only be replied to mainling list.  Unless you
subscribed to mailing list, you do not got replies to mainling list in
your mailing list.

> I hope this issue will be resolved soon.

You can read mailing list archive at:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

As I searched via google, you are getting replies, for example:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/10/threads.html#3

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Re: installing debian without display

[Osamu Aoki]

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 09:43:15PM +0100, Julien Vehent wrote:
> Hi Debian folks,
> 
> I was considering testing this little piece of hardware that guruplug is.
> http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=GuruPlug-Server
> 
> Very attractive, but no vga output. So, next question is: how do I install
> lenny without a display ?...

Install Guide is always your best friend.
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs04.html.en#preseed-network-console

You may need to create custom preseeded boot CD/USB.

Osamu


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Re: install debian without screen (on guruplug)

[Dirk Neumann]

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:58:50 +0100
Julien Vehent  wrote:

> Hi Debian folks,
> 
> I was considering testing this little piece of hardware that guruplug is.
> http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=GuruPlug-Server
> 
> Very attractive, but no vga output. So, next question is: how do I install
> lenny without a display ?...

That's for fedora,

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-install-Fedora-on-a-SheevaPlug-and-boot-off/

but you can adapt it to Debian via:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/index

Dirk.


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Re: Burning cue/mp3 files on Debian

[Mark Kamichoff]

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 11:56:02AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > Does anyone have any bright ideas on how one's supposed to burn cue/mp3
> > files on Debian?
> >
> > The normal ways (cdrdao, wodim, etc.) don't seem to work because the
> > Debian packages for these applications have been built without MP3
> > support.  I tried the GUI route with gnomebaker, but it appears that
> > it's just a fancy wrapper for cdrdao.
> >
> > [...]
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> 
> cue/mp3? Yuck. Why people can't stick with cue/bin or better yet, .iso,
> I'll never understand.

Yuck indeed..

> Anyway, I believe cue2toc can help with this. From the man page:
> 
> >CUE files for audio discs often come with data files in compressed
> >audio formats like MP3 or Ogg Vorbis. To burn  such  a disc  with
> >cdrdao  these files must be converted to WAVE or raw format.  Cue2toc
> >can do this automatically if configured properly (see section
> >CONFIGURATION below for more information).

Interesting, I didn't realize that TOC files could take a WAV file as
input.  I just tried it, and it works great, thanks!

- Mark

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Re: installing debian without display

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-09 14:43, Julien Vehent wrote:

Hi Debian folks,

I was considering testing this little piece of hardware that guruplug is.
http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=GuruPlug-Server

Very attractive, but no vga output. So, next question is: how do I install
lenny without a display ?...

Any clue ?



Googling "install debian on guruplug", the first link seemed useful:

http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html

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install debian without screen (on guruplug)

[Julien Vehent]

Hi Debian folks,

I was considering testing this little piece of hardware that guruplug is.
http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=GuruPlug-Server

Very attractive, but no vga output. So, next question is: how do I install
lenny without a display ?...

Any clue ?

Julien


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installing debian without display

[Julien Vehent]

Hi Debian folks,

I was considering testing this little piece of hardware that guruplug is.
http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=GuruPlug-Server

Very attractive, but no vga output. So, next question is: how do I install
lenny without a display ?...

Any clue ?

Julien


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Re: installer issue

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-10 02:06, m.v...@quicknet.nl wrote:

I just installed Debian 5.4 on a amd64 system (Dell PowerEdge T605).
While the installer seemed to have succeeded without problems, the
freshly installed system didn't boot because its root file systems could
not be found:

Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...
[...]
sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb

At this point the system hanged for some minutes, until

ALERT! /dev/sdb3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!

was output and the BusyBox shell was executed.

But indeed there is no /dev/sdb; there's only one (logical) disk
present, /dev/sda.



grub2 boot loadee, I presume?

If so, at the menu, press "e" and change the sdb3 to sda3 (or 
whatever your real root device is.


Once you get it booted, Google for how to set disk labels on the 
partition, fstab and grub.


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installer issue

[m . vos2]

I just installed Debian 5.4 on a amd64 system (Dell PowerEdge T605).
While the installer seemed to have succeeded without problems, the
freshly installed system didn't boot because its root file systems could
not be found:

Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...
[...]
sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb

At this point the system hanged for some minutes, until

ALERT! /dev/sdb3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!

was output and the BusyBox shell was executed.

But indeed there is no /dev/sdb; there's only one (logical) disk
present, /dev/sda.

I




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