Re: pivot_root. unmount old root

[brandlk]

>> The umount command fails with "device is busy". privot root and chroot
>> work fine.
>
> So everything works except the umount.  Interesting.  From the example
> in the man page they obviously expect it to be possible to umount the
> old root file system.
>
>>> Kill should be able to kill any process *except* init itself.
>>> And "telinit -u" should be able to refresh init.
>>
>> I did a telinit u after the chroot and killed the remaining processes.
>> After that lsof doesn't show any open files under old-root but umount
>> still fails with "device is busy".
>
> Maybe lsof doesn't necessarily list everything.  What does "fuser -m
> /old_root"
> show?  What about doing "fuser -k -m /old_root"?

Ok, I finally got the old root unmounted. There were some tmpfs mounted
unter old-root/dev/shm and old-root/lib/init/... - after unmounting these
I could also unmount the old-root. It's strange that neither lsof nor
fuser did show any open files for these mountpoints... I really wonder how
the pivot_root guys expect their examples to work ;)

What I still need to figure out is how I can replace init with a custom
process... but I think for that I will have to patch init itself.


K. Haselhorst


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Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics

[Pasi Oja-Nisula]

On 2010-03-23, Frank Miles  wrote:
>   Sound has worked without any particular intervention - straight
>   ALSA.  I don't do anything complex with the sound system,
>   though.  

I tried the sound yesterday and it just worked. That was nice.

> As far as the video - while I'm presently using a custom-compiled
> kernel, I'm fairly sure I was getting the same rates with the stock
> 2.6.32 kernel available in 'testing'.  

Actually I was referring to xorg driver. Do you use intel driver there?

> I got a private e-mail telling me how I could do much better with a 
> separate card - and I'm sure that's true.  

I have a Matrox G550 card in my old machine and video performance
has never been an issue. If the new integrated Intel graphics are 
comparable, I'm quite satisfied. 

Pasi


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Re: SCSI module eata no longer loading automatically from initrd on Sid on i386

[Arthur Marsh]

Stephen Powell wrote, on 2010-03-24 01:29:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:56:05 -0400 (EDT), Arthur Marsh wrote:

Stephen Powell wrote, on 2010-03-23 00:50:

OK, there are a couple of things to check.  First of all, make sure
you have MODULES=most listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf.

grep -v \# /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf|uniq

MODULES=most

BUSYBOX=y

KEYMAP=n

BOOT=local

DEVICE=eth0

NFSROOT=auto



Good.


Also check /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy, if it exists.



$ ls /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy
ls: cannot access /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy: No such
file or directory



Good.


Generally, this file only exists if, during installation, you said
you wanted an initial RAM file system with only what is required
to boot the system.  If this is the case,
/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy will likely exist and
specify MODULES=dep.  And that overrides what is specified in
/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf.  Change
/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy to specify
MODULES=most too.  For now, do *not* list eata in
/etc/initramfs-tools/modules.  Then re-run update-initramfs,
re-run lilo (if lilo is your boot loader), shutdown and
reboot.  Let me know the results.


I ran:

update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.32-3-686

then rebooted with break=mount

cat /proc/modules

showed lots of modules but *not* eata.



What happens if you don't use break=mount?
Are you using dependency-based booting?

There are four ways I know of for a kernel module to get loaded during boot:


(1) The modules can be loaded by the kernel because they are referenced,
directly or indirectly, during the boot process.  Whether these modules
need to be in the initial RAM filesystem or not depends on when
during the boot process they are referenced.  If they are first referenced
before the permanent root filesystem is mounted, they need to be in
the initial RAM filesystem.  If the first reference is after that point,
they don't.


(2) You can list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and re-run
update-initramfs.  This technique is used for modules which *must*
be explicitly loaded *before* the permanent root file system is mounted.
These modules must be in the initial RAM filesystem.


(3) The modules can be loaded by the hot-plug system.  These modules are
loaded because an alias of the module matches an identification
sequence of the device.  For example, on my IBM ThinkPad 600, module
snd_cs4236 is loaded because it has an alias, pnp:dCSC, that matches
an identification string for the ISA plug-and-play sound chip CS4237B.
A card's identification string can be listed by utilities such as
lspnp, lspci, lspcmcia, etc.  There are two kinds of module aliases:
internal and external.  Internal aliases can be listed by the modinfo
command.  For example: "modinfo snd_cs4236".  External aliases are
listed in one or more files in the /etc/modprobe.d directory.  The
ACPI "discover" process can also load modules.  This automatic loading
can be defeated by listing a module in a "blacklist" statement.  For
example, on my IBM ThinkPad 600, I define the following two blacklist
statements in a file I call /etc/modprobe.d/local:

   blacklist snd_cs4232

   blacklist snd_wavefront

This tells the hotplug system to ignore the internal aliases of kernel
modules snd_cs4232 and snd_wavefront, which causes them not to be
loaded by the hotplug system, even though they both have an alias of
pnp:dCSC, which also matches my CS4237B sound chip.  snd_cs4236
is the correct driver in my case; I don't need the other two.

This is the preferred method for loading kernel modules that are device
drivers for hardware devices.  Whether they need to be in the initial RAM
filesystem or not depends on when the corresponding devices are detected.
Things like SCSI adapters, IDE controllers, etc. are generally probed for
*before* the permanent root filesystem is mounted, for obvious reasons.
Things which are not likely to be required to mount the permanent root file
system, such as sound chips, may be probed for afterward.  Typically,
at this stage the permanent root file system is mounted read-only, but
has not yet been mounted read-write.

At the moment, I do not have access to a 2.6.32 kernel for the i386,
ia64, or amd64 architectures; but on a 2.6.26 kernel for i386 I issued
"modinfo eata" and it does not report any internal aliases.  So
unless the module has an external alias defined in a file listed in
/etc/modprobe.d that matches an identification string for your SCSI
adapter, I would not expect it to be loaded automatically.  On my IBM
ThinkPad 600, I created an external alias for the Mwave® 3780i Digital
Signal Processor (DSP) chip used by the internal modem so that the
corresponding kernel module, mwave, would be recogniz

Re: ssh warning!

[Berni Elbourn]

consul tores wrote:

Hello

I do not want to create panic, but playing with my Lenny Laptop,
against Squezee and ArchLinux; i got (literaly) access without
password.
Conditions:
New installation in my testing box, from Lenny i was ready to edit
sshd_config after intallation, and i opened a console, i did ssh
r...@ip, when ssh asked me for password, i opened a window doing
fish://r...@ip, magically i was inside my Squezee or ArchLinux box.
I tested it few times and it was the same thing 1/20 aproximately, i
could not find a logical explanation but it happened. has someone
found something similar?

francisco




Sure, just set a valid cached password for the target systems.

I have always found fish to be unreliable so your 1 in 20 sounds about 
normal to me.


Berni


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Re: [OT] Pronunciation of "metacity" (was Manage window: change positions, etc.)

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:45:09 -0400 (EDT), Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
>  From an old metacity README:
>  Metacity is not a meta-City as in an urban center, but
>  rather Meta-ness as in the state of being meta. i.e.
>  metacity : meta as opacity : opaque. Also it may have
>  something to do with the Meta key on UNIX keyboards.
>

I don't doubt the truth of your claim.  I mean, there it is in
print from the upstream author.  It just surprised me.  But
even the author hints that this may not have been the original
pronunciation.

   "Also it may have something to do with the Meta key
   on UNIX keyboards."

The fact that he put that blurb in there at all also indicates
that many people were pronouncing it incorrectly and therefore
the author felt it necessary to address the topic.

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Re: [OT] Pronunciation of "metacity" (was Manage window: change positions, etc.)

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-24 08:01, Stephen Powell wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:45:09 -0400 (EDT), Ron Johnson wrote:

 From an old metacity README:
 Metacity is not a meta-City as in an urban center, but
 rather Meta-ness as in the state of being meta. i.e.
 metacity : meta as opacity : opaque. Also it may have
 something to do with the Meta key on UNIX keyboards.



I don't doubt the truth of your claim.  I mean, there it is in
print from the upstream author.  It just surprised me.  But
even the author hints that this may not have been the original
pronunciation.

   "Also it may have something to do with the Meta key
   on UNIX keyboards."


Right.  It's still meta-ness (whether the state of being meta or 
from the Meta key).



The fact that he put that blurb in there at all also indicates
that many people were pronouncing it 


As I did for quite a while...

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Re: pivot_root. unmount old root

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:16:20 -0400 (EDT), K. Haselhorst wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>>
>> Maybe lsof doesn't necessarily list everything.  What does "fuser -m
>> /old_root"
>> show?  What about doing "fuser -k -m /old_root"?
> 
> Ok, I finally got the old root unmounted. There were some tmpfs mounted
> unter old-root/dev/shm and old-root/lib/init/... - after unmounting these
> I could also unmount the old-root. It's strange that neither lsof nor
> fuser did show any open files for these mountpoints... I really wonder how
> the pivot_root guys expect their examples to work ;)

Of course!  Why didn't I think of that!  There is nothing keeping the file
system structure from from being umounted, which is what "fuser -m" was
designed to show.  But it still has to be umounted "from the bottom up."
I guess I just assumed that the shutdown scripts would umount that stuff,
but I guess since it's not a permanent file system they don't bother.
If you're shutting down or rebooting, you don't need to do that.  They
remount the permanent root file system read-only, which causes the write
cache to be flushed to disk, but that's as far as they go.  If you
want to do a pivot_root and umount the old root, you do actually have to
umount that stuff.  I'm sorry I didn't think of it.  Nice sleuthing!

> 
> What I still need to figure out is how I can replace init with a custom
> process... but I think for that I will have to patch init itself.

Why do you need to patch init?

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Re: SCSI module eata no longer loading automatically from initrd on Sid on i386

[Arthur Marsh]

Stephen Powell wrote, on 24/03/10 01:29:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:56:05 -0400 (EDT), Arthur Marsh wrote:

Stephen Powell wrote, on 2010-03-23 00:50:

OK, there are a couple of things to check.  First of all, make sure
you have MODULES=most listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf.

grep -v \# /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf|uniq

MODULES=most

BUSYBOX=y

KEYMAP=n

BOOT=local

DEVICE=eth0

NFSROOT=auto



Good.


Also check /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy, if it exists.



$ ls /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy
ls: cannot access /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy: No such
file or directory



Good.


Generally, this file only exists if, during installation, you said
you wanted an initial RAM file system with only what is required
to boot the system.  If this is the case,
/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy will likely exist and
specify MODULES=dep.  And that overrides what is specified in
/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf.  Change
/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy to specify
MODULES=most too.  For now, do *not* list eata in
/etc/initramfs-tools/modules.  Then re-run update-initramfs,
re-run lilo (if lilo is your boot loader), shutdown and
reboot.  Let me know the results.


I ran:

update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.32-3-686

then rebooted with break=mount

cat /proc/modules

showed lots of modules but *not* eata.



What happens if you don't use break=mount?


Same problem, eata fails to load by fsck stage.


Are you using dependency-based booting?


Yes, but eata was loading ok with dependency based booting earlier.
Back then, listing eata in /etc/modules was enough to cause eata to load 
before fsck.


Arthur.


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Re: playing/ripping audio cds

[Rick Pasotto]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 03:39:53PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-03-23 15:21, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> >Something has gotten broken on my system and I don't know where to start
> >looking.
> >
> >I am running the 2.6.32-3-686 kernel and most of what's available from
> >testing.
> 
> Most?  Mixed system?

Well, yes. If apt-listbugs warns me against an update I usually don't
accept it. Also there are many updates for which aptitude wants to
remove programs I use all the time. That tells me that dependencies are
not yet fully worked out so they can wait.

> >I use a dvd+rw device for both cdroms and dvds. There is no more
> >/dev/cdrom nor /dev/dvd.
> 
> Did you reboot lately?  What udev version?

Of course. I see a new udev (151-3) showed up this morning. I haven't
installed it yet.

> >Instead there's /dev/dvd1 and /dev/dvdrw1, both
> 
> That seems to be ok.
> 
> On my system, the DVD player is /dev/sr0.  But it's been that way
> for a long time (mine, though, is SATA).
> 
> m...@haggis:/dev$ dir cd*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-03-23 15:32:32 cdrom2 -> sr0
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-03-23 15:32:32 cdrw2 -> sr0
> 
> m...@haggis:/dev$ dir dvd*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-03-23 15:32:32 dvd2 -> sr0
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-03-23 15:32:32 dvdrw2 -> sr0
> 
> >symlinks to /dev/hda (which is correct).
> 
> IDE drive?

Yep.

> >/cdrom symlinks to /media/cdrom which symlinks to /media/cdrom0 which is
> >an empty directory.
> 
> Right.  Only is populated when you mount something.

Does inserting an audio cd count as 'mounting' something?

> >Inserting an audio cd fires up gxine but it can't find the cd.
> >
> >I think grip can work with /dev/dvd1 since it identifies the tracks and
> >appears to be ripping them but I can't get any sound.
> 
> Do any cd devices exist?

Yes. /dev/cdrom1 and /dev/cdrw1.

> >Additional problem: I aborted the ripping because it caused the monitor
> >to turn off and then back on every few seconds. For the past few weeks
> >the monitor has been occasionally cycling off and then on but only
> >occasionally. While ripping with grip the cycling was constant.

I tried again with grip and the results were worse. The monitor cycled
off and on so fast it finally gave up and stayed off. I had to reboot.

> >Any ideas as to what's going on and more importantly how to fix it?

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RE: Monitoring AutoFS in SNMP

[Brian]

 
> If it spawns a new process each time it mounts a new
> partition, would it
> not have a parent process that would at least be constant
> on the server?
> If that's the case, maybe you should just monitor the
> parent process.
> Otherwise, it would make sense to monitor a partition
> instead of a pid
> for a specific spawned process.
> 
> James
> 

It looks like the parent process snmp mib is also tied to it's pid and would 
change whenever the daemon is restarted.

I am beginning to wonder if you can monitor Debian daemons at all with snmp.

Brian



  


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Re: playing/ripping audio cds

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-24 09:37, Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 03:39:53PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-23 15:21, Rick Pasotto wrote:

Something has gotten broken on my system and I don't know where to start
looking.

I am running the 2.6.32-3-686 kernel and most of what's available from
testing.

Most?  Mixed system?


Well, yes. If apt-listbugs warns me against an update I usually don't
accept it. Also there are many updates for which aptitude wants to
remove programs I use all the time. That tells me that dependencies are
not yet fully worked out so they can wait.


I use a dvd+rw device for both cdroms and dvds. There is no more
/dev/cdrom nor /dev/dvd.

Did you reboot lately?  What udev version?


Of course. I see a new udev (151-3) showed up this morning. I haven't
installed it yet.


   Instead there's /dev/dvd1 and /dev/dvdrw1, both

That seems to be ok.

On my system, the DVD player is /dev/sr0.  But it's been that way
for a long time (mine, though, is SATA).

m...@haggis:/dev$ dir cd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-03-23 15:32:32 cdrom2 -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-03-23 15:32:32 cdrw2 -> sr0

m...@haggis:/dev$ dir dvd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-03-23 15:32:32 dvd2 -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-03-23 15:32:32 dvdrw2 -> sr0


symlinks to /dev/hda (which is correct).

IDE drive?


Yep.


/cdrom symlinks to /media/cdrom which symlinks to /media/cdrom0 which is
an empty directory.

Right.  Only is populated when you mount something.


Does inserting an audio cd count as 'mounting' something?


Technically no, but DEs will typically do some background magic and 
mount it for you,



Inserting an audio cd fires up gxine but it can't find the cd.

I think grip can work with /dev/dvd1 since it identifies the tracks and
appears to be ripping them but I can't get any sound.

Do any cd devices exist?


Yes. /dev/cdrom1 and /dev/cdrw1.


Additional problem: I aborted the ripping because it caused the monitor
to turn off and then back on every few seconds. For the past few weeks
the monitor has been occasionally cycling off and then on but only
occasionally. While ripping with grip the cycling was constant.


I tried again with grip and the results were worse. The monitor cycled
off and on so fast it finally gave up and stayed off. I had to reboot.


That's too weird.  Anything in syslog, dmesg or /var/log/messages?

What kind of video do you have?  On-board?


Any ideas as to what's going on and more importantly how to fix it?





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Flash drive internal fragmentation.

[R. Clayton]

[ This isn't really a debian question; it's more of a linux question or maybe a
  file system question, but because this is the most appropriate of the groups I
  read, I'll pretend it's really important that this happened on a debian
  system. ]

I tried to copy a 1.4G directory

  $ du -sh dr-dobbs
  1.4G  dr-dobbs

  $ 

to an empty 4G thumb drive

  $ /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda

  Disk /dev/sda: 4009 MB, 4009754624 bytes
  124 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1018 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 7688 * 512 = 3936256 bytes
  Disk identifier: 0x

 Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/sda1   *   11018 39131616  FAT16

  $

and had the copy fail because the thumb drive ran out of space.  After poking
around a bit, I found the block sizes on the thumb drive were huge:

  $ cd /mnt/flasha/dr-dobbs/articles/CUJ/1990/9001/branniga

  $ ls --block-size=1k -ls
  total 896
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton 18 2010-03-23 14:42 branniga.htm
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-23 14:42 fig1.gif
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig1.htm
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-23 14:42 fig2.gif
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig2.htm
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-23 14:42 fig3.gif
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig3.htm
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  6 2010-03-23 14:42 fig4.gif
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig4.htm
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  5 2010-03-23 14:42 fig5.gif
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig5.htm
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  7 2010-03-23 14:42 fig6.gif
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig6.htm
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  5 2010-03-23 14:42 list1.htm

  $ cd /home/dr-dobbs/articles/CUJ/1990/9001/branniga

  $ ls --block-size=1k -ls
  total 88
  20 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton 18 2010-03-21 08:32 branniga.htm
   4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-21 08:32 fig1.gif
   4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig1.htm
   4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-21 08:32 fig2.gif
   4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig2.htm
   4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-21 08:32 fig3.gif
   4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig3.htm
   8 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  6 2010-03-21 08:32 fig4.gif
   4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig4.htm
   8 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  5 2010-03-21 08:32 fig5.gif
   4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig5.htm
   8 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  7 2010-03-21 08:32 fig6.gif
   4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig6.htm
   8 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  5 2010-03-21 08:32 list1.htm

  $  

which meant my thumb drive space was getting eaten up by internal
fragmentation.  I understand that flash storage has special needs for most
efficient operation, but are block-size overages of an order-of-magnitude or
more really necessary?  Can I remake the file system with smaller block sizes?
How?  (It is unclear to me if sector size is the same as file block size.)
What bad things happen to flash storage if the file system has 1k block size?

This happened on a debian testing system updated weekly.


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Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics

[Frank Miles]

To Pasi:

I'm using the xorg stuff - nothing special from Intel.
Sorry for the ambiguity.

To Stan:

I didn't ask for, nor had I received any recommendation - you
must be thinking of someone else.  You had responded to a query I raised
earlier when I had problems with the RealTek networking (which I thank
you for), but that was some weeks after I bought the board.
Before buying the board I had looked around for information on
hardware compatibility, but didn't find much.  This kind of information
has an intrinsically short "shelf life".
For now the RealTek is working again, though needing a "nonfree"
driver.

-Frank


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Re: Linux and Windows partitioners fail to see opposite partitions

[Elmer E. Dow]

Joe wrote:

Elmer E. Dow wrote:


Recall that I used the DOS console to run fdisk /mbr to get XP to 
boot. Would installing grub on the MBR make Linux once again see the 
whole drive?



It should at least allow correct booting. I wish I knew for sure. The 
XP Disc Manager and fdisk seem to agree on what's where, I really 
don't understand why gparted isn't seeing exactly the same thing.


The Lenny installer is normally able to see Windows installations, and 
to either offer to include them in the grub menu or do so without 
asking. Even if it doesn't, that's easy to fix, as long as it puts 
itself in the right place. You'll certainly learn something from the 
early stages of the Lenny installation.


Since you have XP recovery media and it's a new installation, you have 
nothing to lose by experimenting. There's clearly something odd going 
on, as I would certainly expect the recovery to have taken the whole 
drive, possibly splitting it into more than one partition, but all 
Windows types. And I've never known an XP installation, whether from 
recovery or Microsoft media, to need a repair to the MBR before it 
would boot. That's just silly, recovery should be simple enough for a 
businessman to do. As to Partition Magic, it certainly should do no 
harm and may throw some more light on the situation.


Also, a recovery partition normally is just that, possibly a hidden 
type, but always listed in the partition table, showing in the Disc 
Manager or with fdisk. I've never seen apparently unallocated space 
used before, which tells us that the BIOS must know something about 
the disc details, and is maintaining some kind of safeguard against 
deletion. I'd assume that the Disc Manager is also unable to write there.


My feeling is that the partition table is not completely standard. If 
I wasn't worried about XP, I'd probably write the numbers down, delete 
it all with fdisk and recreate it, then write the table back to disc. 
That won't touch the data, but it might mess up something that the 
recovery system uses. Maybe, initiating the recovery again from the 
BIOS would restore it, maybe not. I'd only try it if I was certain I'd 
never need Windows recovery again. On the other hand, presumably the 
separate recovery media you have should work even on a new blank HD.


Best of luck, I don't think I can offer any more advice. If you do 
solve it, let us know, it might help someone else in future.



I found the answer here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=437814


fdisk /dev/hda
m
w


This rewrites the partition table. Gparted is now displaying the 
partitions in what appears to be a correct manner. I'm off and running. 
Now I can finish my multiboot installation. Will post again if there are 
any complications caused by this procedure. Thanks for your input.


Elmer


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Re: SCSI module eata no longer loading automatically from initrd on Sid on i386

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:05:13 -0400 (EDT), Arthur Marsh wrote:
> Why shouldn't the eata driver be loaded once the PCI bus has been 
> scanned and a device that the eata driver knows about [1044:a400] in 
> this case is detected?
> 
> 00:08.0 SCSI storage controller [0100]: Adaptec (formerly DPT) 
> SmartCache/Raid I
> -IV Controller [1044:a400] (rev 02)
>  Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 160, IRQ 11
>  BIST result: 00
>  I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
>  Expansion ROM at ee00 [disabled] [size=32K]

Because the hotplug system doesn't know that eata is the driver for this
board.  Once the eata driver gets loaded, it can detect that the board
supports the EATA/DMA protocol, and therefore it grabs the board.
But the driver has to get loaded first.  And the driver will only be
loaded automatically by the hotplug system if a module alias (internal
or external) matches the device identification of the card.  For
comparison purposes, let's look at the 3w-9xxx driver.  This is from
a Lenny system on the i386 architecture:

--

debian:~# modinfo 3w-9xxx
filename:   /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/3w-9xxx.ko
version:2.26.02.010
license:GPL
description:3ware 9000 Storage Controller Linux Driver
author: AMCC
srcversion: 81BF6C7871BF808D126874D
alias:  pci:v13C1d1005sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v13C1d1004sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v13C1d1003sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v13C1d1002sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
depends:scsi_mod
vermagic:   2.6.26-2-686 SMP mod_unload modversions 686
debian:~#

--

Do you see those four "alias" lines above?  These are four internal aliases
defined for the module.  They represent four different PCI device
identifications: 13c1:1005, 13c1:1004, 13c1:1003, and 13c1:1002.  If the
hotplug system finds any of these PCI devices in the system, it will
load the 3w-9xxx module, unless a

   blacklist 3w-9xxx

statement is found in a file in the /etc/modprobe.d directory.  By contrast,
look at the output of the "modinfo" command for the eata module:

--

debian:~# modinfo eata
filename:   /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/eata.ko
description:EATA/DMA SCSI Driver
license:GPL
author: Dario Ballabio
depends:scsi_mod
vermagic:   2.6.26-2-686 SMP mod_unload modversions 686
parm:   eata: equivalent to the "eata=..." kernel boot option.
  Example: modprobe eata "eata=0x7410,0x230,lc:y,tm:0,mq:4,ep:n" (string)

--

Do you see the difference?  There are no "alias" entries for this module.
For whatever reason, the author/maintainer of the eata module elected
not to define internal aliases for each board that the driver supports.
I'm guessing that this is because there are so many boards that the driver
supports that maintaining the list would be a never-ending job.  Also,
some of the boards may be better supported by a more hardware-specific driver,
and if the eata module listed the board then the hotplug system would load
both drivers: the specific one for that board and eata.  And the two
drivers would interfere with each other.

I have that problem on my IBM
ThinkPad 600.  By default, the hotplug system wants to load three different
sound drivers: snd-cs4232, snd-cs4236, and snd-wavefront, because all three
of them have an alias called "pnp:dCSC*" which matches the ISA plug-and-
play device id of my CS4237B sound chip.  I only want one of them: snd-cs4236.
I have to manually blacklist snd-cs4232 and snd-wavefront to keep the
hotplug system from loading them.  On the other hand, the mwave module,
which is the correct driver for the ISA plug-and-play device pnp:dIBM3760,
has no internal aliases defined.  I have to define an external alias for
it to get it to load.  The mwave driver was written before Linux had a
hotplug system, and IBM didn't bother to go back and add the alias
retroactively.

In the case of eata, the best way to handle the situation is to
create an external alias.

What I would do is to create a file called /etc/modprobe.d/local.  In it
I would put the following statement:

   alias pci:v1044dA400* eata

Then, remove the "eata" entry from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules.  
Also make sure that eata is not listed in /etc/modules.  Then,
run update-initramfs again.  Check to make sure that the eata module is
still included in your initial RAM filesystem.  Re-run lilo, if you're
using lilo, then shutdown and reboot.  If I have the syntax right for
the alias command above, the hotplug system should load the eata module
at the proper time for SCSI adapter device drivers to be loaded, but
only if the card is actually found in the system.  If you were to
shutdown, remove the board, and boot again, the eata driver would not
be loaded, since the board was not found.  In this sense, it is
automatic.  (But only after you define the external alias.)

I'm not sure 

Re: Linux and Windows partitioners fail to see opposite partitions

[Mark]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Elmer E. Dow  wrote:
[snip]

> I found the answer here:
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=437814
>
>
> fdisk /dev/hda
> m
> w
>

Maybe you didn't see my email reply to Debian List when you first posted
this but this is exactly what I said to do, except I suggested using cfdisk
via an Ubuntu Live CD.

Glad it's working though.

Mark

Re: tc download always to "default"

[green]

Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote at 2010-03-22 05:42 -0500:
> My problem is all the traffic is caught by "classid 1:10", the default
> class.
> 
> Nothing is trapped by "classid 1:301" -> "classid 1:426"
> 
> At a first glance, would you see something wrong in these?

I don't see anything, sorry; I suggest trying on the debian-firewall list.

Also:
- You might want to try out hfsc instead of htb

- You could use iptables CLASSIFY instead of filters

- Instead of all those lines you could use (untested):
for IP in $( seq 129 254 | awk '{ print "10.150.0."$1 }' ); do
IPID=$( echo "$( echo $IP | cut -d . -f 4 ) + 172" | bc )"
tc class add dev eth1 parent 1:30 classid 1:$IPID htb rate 100kbit ceil 200kbit
tc filter add dev eth1 parent 1:0 protocol ip prio 1 u32 match ip dst $IP/32 
flowid 1:$IPID
done


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Re: Flash drive internal fragmentation.

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-24 10:51, R. Clayton wrote:
[snip]


to an empty 4G thumb drive

  $ /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda

  Disk /dev/sda: 4009 MB, 4009754624 bytes
  124 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1018 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 7688 * 512 = 3936256 bytes
  Disk identifier: 0x

 Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/sda1   *   11018 39131616  FAT16

  $

and had the copy fail because the thumb drive ran out of space.  After poking
around a bit, I found the block sizes on the thumb drive were huge:

  $ cd /mnt/flasha/dr-dobbs/articles/CUJ/1990/9001/branniga

  $ ls --block-size=1k -ls
  total 896
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton 18 2010-03-23 14:42 branniga.htm
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-23 14:42 fig1.gif
  64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig1.htm

[snip]


which meant my thumb drive space was getting eaten up by internal
fragmentation.  I understand that flash storage has special needs for most
efficient operation, but are block-size overages of an order-of-magnitude or
more really necessary?  Can I remake the file system with smaller block sizes?
How?  (It is unclear to me if sector size is the same as file block size.)
What bad things happen to flash storage if the file system has 1k block size?



This is a fundamental design flaw of FAT, which was designed for 
floppy drives.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table
"To limit the size of the table, disk space is allocated
to files in contiguous groups of hardware sectors called
clusters."

Even with FAT16 and FAT32 increasing the number of clusters on a 
disk, capacity still outstripped FAT.  Thus, cluster size had to 
greatly increase.  Thus the huge block count.


I'd try FAT32.  The increased FAT should reduce the cluster size.

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Re: Flash drive internal fragmentation.

[Bob McGowan]

R. Clayton wrote:
> <<--deleted background details--

> 
>   $ ls --block-size=1k -ls
>   total 896
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton 18 2010-03-23 14:42 branniga.htm
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-23 14:42 fig1.gif
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig1.htm
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-23 14:42 fig2.gif
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig2.htm
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-23 14:42 fig3.gif
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig3.htm
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  6 2010-03-23 14:42 fig4.gif
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig4.htm
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  5 2010-03-23 14:42 fig5.gif
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig5.htm
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  7 2010-03-23 14:42 fig6.gif
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-23 14:42 fig6.htm
>   64 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rclayton rclayton  5 2010-03-23 14:42 list1.htm
> 
>   $ cd /home/dr-dobbs/articles/CUJ/1990/9001/branniga
> 
>   $ ls --block-size=1k -ls
>   total 88
>   20 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton 18 2010-03-21 08:32 branniga.htm
>4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-21 08:32 fig1.gif
>4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig1.htm
>4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-21 08:32 fig2.gif
>4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig2.htm
>4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  3 2010-03-21 08:32 fig3.gif
>4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig3.htm
>8 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  6 2010-03-21 08:32 fig4.gif
>4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig4.htm
>8 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  5 2010-03-21 08:32 fig5.gif
>4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig5.htm
>8 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  7 2010-03-21 08:32 fig6.gif
>4 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  1 2010-03-21 08:32 fig6.htm
>8 -r-x-- 1 rclayton rclayton  5 2010-03-21 08:32 list1.htm
> 
>   $  
> 
> which meant my thumb drive space was getting eaten up by internal
> fragmentation.  I understand that flash storage has special needs for most
> efficient operation, but are block-size overages of an order-of-magnitude or
> more really necessary?  Can I remake the file system with smaller block sizes?
> How?  (It is unclear to me if sector size is the same as file block size.)
> What bad things happen to flash storage if the file system has 1k block size?
> 
> This happened on a debian testing system updated weekly.
> 
> 

Curious ... I have a 4G flash drive and have had no issues with it,
except for file deletion using a GUI file manager.

And you didn't mention if the stick you're using was brand new/never
used or not.  If you've had files on it and then deleted them using a
GUI file browser, it may have simply moved them to a hidden trash
folder, which would not free up any space.

But you may have already checked that ;)

I tried the 'ls' command you used on my flash drive, and got this:

$ ls --block-size=1k -ls
total 23024
 500 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup  498 2010-02-22 18:11 C1.jpg
 644 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup  643 2010-02-22 18:11 C2.jpg
1160 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 1159 2010-02-22 18:11 C3.jpg
 852 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup  852 2010-02-22 18:11 C4.jpg
4896 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 4895 2010-03-07 10:36 C5.jpg
3564 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 3561 2010-03-07 10:45 C6.jpg
 416 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup  416 2010-03-14 16:35 C7.jpg
5076 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 5076 2010-03-13 02:43 C8.jpg
5916 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 5913 2010-03-13 03:04 C9.jpg

And ...

$ ls --block-size=8k -ls
total 2878
 63 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup  63 2010-02-22 18:11 C1.jpg
 81 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup  81 2010-02-22 18:11 C2.jpg
145 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 145 2010-02-22 18:11 C3.jpg
107 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 107 2010-02-22 18:11 C4.jpg
612 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 612 2010-03-07 10:36 C5.jpg
446 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 446 2010-03-07 10:45 C6.jpg
 52 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup  52 2010-03-14 16:35 C7.jpg
635 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 635 2010-03-13 02:43 C8.jpg
740 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root backup 740 2010-03-13 03:04 C9.jpg

It looks like the numbers are matching up OK (at least on my system - ls
--version says "ls (GNU coreutils) 5.97" and still using etch [4.0]).

A couple of other differences:

My flash drive has no partition table, the filesystem is built on the
base device, like a floppy disk.

And, I used VFAT for the filesystem type:

$ mount|grep sde
/dev/sde on /var/autofs/usb/centon type vfat ...

I don't know if any of this is really helpful, though it may suggest an
alternative or two to play around with.

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Re: playing/ripping audio cds

[Rick Pasotto]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:46:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-03-24 09:37, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> >On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 03:39:53PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>On 2010-03-23 15:21, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> >>>Additional problem: I aborted the ripping because it caused the monitor
> >>>to turn off and then back on every few seconds. For the past few weeks
> >>>the monitor has been occasionally cycling off and then on but only
> >>>occasionally. While ripping with grip the cycling was constant.
> >
> >I tried again with grip and the results were worse. The monitor cycled
> >off and on so fast it finally gave up and stayed off. I had to reboot.
> 
> That's too weird.  Anything in syslog, dmesg or /var/log/messages?

Thanks for reminding me. I hadn't looked. Yes, I'm getting lots of
errors on /dev/hda. Here are some examples:

Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.680380] VFS: busy inodes on changed media 
or resized disk hda
Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.696160] VFS: busy inodes on changed media 
or resized disk hda
Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.716151] VFS: busy inodes on changed media 
or resized disk hda

and

Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316244] hda: command error: status=0x51 { 
DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316256] hda: command error: error=0x50 { 
LastFailedSense=0x05 }
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316262] hda: possibly failed opcode: 0xa0
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320570] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, 
sector 9144696
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320579] __ratelimit: 505 callbacks 
suppressed
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320585] Buffer I/O error on device hda, 
logical block 1143087
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320596] Buffer I/O error on device hda, 
logical block 1143088

Archive dvds I've burned and commercial dvds both load but then shortly
the monitor cyclying begins and I eject the disk as quickly as I can.

> What kind of video do you have?  On-board?

Yes. The Xorg.log shows: Device "KM4M-V on-board video"

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Re: Flash drive internal fragmentation.

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-24 12:07, Bob McGowan wrote:
[snip]


And, I used VFAT for the filesystem type:


That's the key difference, since vfat "is" fat32.


$ mount|grep sde
/dev/sde on /var/autofs/usb/centon type vfat ...



Try this:
$ mount -lt vat

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Re: playing/ripping audio cds

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-24 12:08, Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:46:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-24 09:37, Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 03:39:53PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-23 15:21, Rick Pasotto wrote:

Additional problem: I aborted the ripping because it caused the monitor
to turn off and then back on every few seconds. For the past few weeks
the monitor has been occasionally cycling off and then on but only
occasionally. While ripping with grip the cycling was constant.

I tried again with grip and the results were worse. The monitor cycled
off and on so fast it finally gave up and stayed off. I had to reboot.

That's too weird.  Anything in syslog, dmesg or /var/log/messages?


Thanks for reminding me. I hadn't looked. Yes, I'm getting lots of
errors on /dev/hda. Here are some examples:

Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.680380] VFS: busy inodes on changed media 
or resized disk hda
Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.696160] VFS: busy inodes on changed media 
or resized disk hda
Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.716151] VFS: busy inodes on changed media 
or resized disk hda


Seems like autofs isn't properly telling the kernel that media has 
changed.



and

Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316244] hda: command error: status=0x51 { 
DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316256] hda: command error: error=0x50 { 
LastFailedSense=0x05 }
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316262] hda: possibly failed opcode: 0xa0
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320570] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, 
sector 9144696
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320579] __ratelimit: 505 callbacks 
suppressed
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320585] Buffer I/O error on device hda, 
logical block 1143087
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320596] Buffer I/O error on device hda, 
logical block 1143088

>

Archive dvds I've burned and commercial dvds both load but then shortly
the monitor cyclying begins and I eject the disk as quickly as I can.


What kind of video do you have?  On-board?


Yes. The Xorg.log shows: Device "KM4M-V on-board video"



Which probably shares system RAM.  I bet the busy system is somehow 
saturating the memory channel(s), thus causing the flickering.


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Where is this deb.opera.com repository still coming from?

[Tech Geek]

I was under the impression that whenever you run apt-get update it reads the
repositories listed in /etc/apt/sources.list file and fetches the contents
of it but apparently something else is going on too...

So somtime back I added the following line in my /etc/apt/sources.list:
# Opera Browser Repository
deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free

and then installed opera browser from it:
apt-get update; apt-get install opera

Now after sometime I removed the opera repository line from sources.list
(but the package is still installed) and then when I ran apt-get update, I
still saw apt-get trying to read the opera repository like this:
debian:/var/lib/apt# apt-get update
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release.gpg
Ign http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Translation-en_US

Hit http://mirrors.kernel.org stable Release.gpg

Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/main Translation-en_US
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release
Hit http://mirrors.kernel.org stable Release
Ign http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main
Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://deb.opera.com stable Release.gpg
Ign http://deb.opera.com stable/non-free Translation-en_US
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/main Packages
Hit http://deb.opera.com stable Release
Ign http://deb.opera.com stable/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://deb.opera.com stable/non-free Packages
Hit http://deb.opera.com stable/non-free Packages
Reading package lists... Done
debian:/var/lib/apt#

Here is my sources.list file that I used to ran the above apt-get update
command:
#Stable
deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main
#deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main
#Testing
#deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian testing main
#deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian testing main
#Unstable
#deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main
#deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main
#For Security patches
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
#Debian Backports
#deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main

And here is the output of the package lists of the repositories:
debian:~# ls /var/lib/apt/lists/
deb.opera.com_opera_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages
deb.opera.com_opera_dists_stable_Release
deb.opera.com_opera_dists_stable_Release.gpg
lock
mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages
mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_stable_Release
mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_stable_Release.gpg
partial
security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages
security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_Release
security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_Release.gpg
debian:~#
Not sure what is happening and from where apt-get is still seeing the opera
repo line.

I have always use apt-get.

Thanks

Trouble using an Epson Stylus SX600FW network printer

[Thibaut GIRKA]

Hi,
I have an Epson Stylus SX600FW network printer that worked fine with
cups+gutenprint a few months ago (yeah, I use it rarely), but now, it
doesn't print anything...

I've purged cups, foomatic and all, then reinstalled cups (using
unstable version), and reconfigured it (using system-config-printer).
I've also tried different PPDs: the one for SX405 (selected by default
when adding the printer), and the one for Office SX600FW.

The error is:
E [24/Mar/2010:16:44:50 +0100] cupsdReadClient: 13 IPP Read Error!

Any idea?


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Re: playing/ripping audio cds

[Rick Pasotto]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:31:33PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-03-24 12:08, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> >On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:46:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>On 2010-03-24 09:37, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> >>>On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 03:39:53PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-03-23 15:21, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> >Additional problem: I aborted the ripping because it caused the monitor
> >to turn off and then back on every few seconds. For the past few weeks
> >the monitor has been occasionally cycling off and then on but only
> >occasionally. While ripping with grip the cycling was constant.
> >>>I tried again with grip and the results were worse. The monitor cycled
> >>>off and on so fast it finally gave up and stayed off. I had to reboot.
> >>That's too weird.  Anything in syslog, dmesg or /var/log/messages?
> >
> >Thanks for reminding me. I hadn't looked. Yes, I'm getting lots of
> >errors on /dev/hda. Here are some examples:
> >
> >Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.680380] VFS: busy inodes on changed 
> >media or resized disk hda
> >Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.696160] VFS: busy inodes on changed 
> >media or resized disk hda
> >Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.716151] VFS: busy inodes on changed 
> >media or resized disk hda
> 
> Seems like autofs isn't properly telling the kernel that media has
> changed.

Is there something that I can do about that?

> >and
> >
> >Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316244] hda: command error: status=0x51 
> >{ DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> >Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316256] hda: command error: error=0x50 { 
> >LastFailedSense=0x05 }
> >Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316262] hda: possibly failed opcode: 0xa0
> >Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320570] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, 
> >sector 9144696
> >Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320579] __ratelimit: 505 callbacks 
> >suppressed
> >Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320585] Buffer I/O error on device hda, 
> >logical block 1143087
> >Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320596] Buffer I/O error on device hda, 
> >logical block 1143088
> >
> >Archive dvds I've burned and commercial dvds both load but then shortly
> >the monitor cyclying begins and I eject the disk as quickly as I can.
> >
> >>What kind of video do you have?  On-board?
> >
> >Yes. The Xorg.log shows: Device "KM4M-V on-board video"
> 
> Which probably shares system RAM.  I bet the busy system is somehow
> saturating the memory channel(s), thus causing the flickering.

This problem is *very* recent. Currently htop shows 465/946MB of system
RAM and only 91/1906MB of swap having been used. 

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Re: Where is this deb.opera.com repository still coming from?

[Angus Hedger]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Tech Geek  wrote:
> I was under the impression that whenever you run apt-get update it reads the
> repositories listed in /etc/apt/sources.list file and fetches the contents
> of it but apparently something else is going on too...
>
> So somtime back I added the following line in my /etc/apt/sources.list:
> # Opera Browser Repository
> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
>
> and then installed opera browser from it:
> apt-get update; apt-get install opera
>
> Now after sometime I removed the opera repository line from sources.list
> (but the package is still installed) and then when I ran apt-get update, I
> still saw apt-get trying to read the opera repository like this:

> Here is my sources.list file that I used to ran the above apt-get update
> command:
> #Stable
> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main
> #deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main
> #Testing
> #deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian testing main
> #deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian testing main
> #Unstable
> #deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main
> #deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main
> #For Security patches
> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
> #Debian Backports
> #deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main
>
> And here is the output of the package lists of the repositories:
> debian:~# ls /var/lib/apt/lists/

> Not sure what is happening and from where apt-get is still seeing the opera
> repo line.
>
> I have always use apt-get.
>
> Thanks

Hey,

Look under /etc/apt/sources.list.d (I believe this is the location, if
not, somewhere inside the /apt folder), there will be a file in there
with the opera repo in it.

Some packages install these when you install them (one other one that
does it is google chrome), it is suppose to help keep you up-to date,
but it is also annoying.

Regards,

Angus.


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Re: playing/ripping audio cds

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-24 12:49, Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:31:33PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-24 12:08, Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:46:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-24 09:37, Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 03:39:53PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-23 15:21, Rick Pasotto wrote:

Additional problem: I aborted the ripping because it caused the monitor
to turn off and then back on every few seconds. For the past few weeks
the monitor has been occasionally cycling off and then on but only
occasionally. While ripping with grip the cycling was constant.

I tried again with grip and the results were worse. The monitor cycled
off and on so fast it finally gave up and stayed off. I had to reboot.

That's too weird.  Anything in syslog, dmesg or /var/log/messages?

Thanks for reminding me. I hadn't looked. Yes, I'm getting lots of
errors on /dev/hda. Here are some examples:

Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.680380] VFS: busy inodes on changed media 
or resized disk hda
Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.696160] VFS: busy inodes on changed media 
or resized disk hda
Mar 24 12:17:49 niof kernel: [69407.716151] VFS: busy inodes on changed media 
or resized disk hda

Seems like autofs isn't properly telling the kernel that media has
changed.


Is there something that I can do about that?


I'd google that error message.


and

Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316244] hda: command error: status=0x51 { 
DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316256] hda: command error: error=0x50 { 
LastFailedSense=0x05 }
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.316262] hda: possibly failed opcode: 0xa0
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320570] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, 
sector 9144696
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320579] __ratelimit: 505 callbacks 
suppressed
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320585] Buffer I/O error on device hda, 
logical block 1143087
Mar 24 12:19:53 niof kernel: [69532.320596] Buffer I/O error on device hda, 
logical block 1143088


And those messages too.


Archive dvds I've burned and commercial dvds both load but then shortly
the monitor cyclying begins and I eject the disk as quickly as I can.


What kind of video do you have?  On-board?

Yes. The Xorg.log shows: Device "KM4M-V on-board video"

Which probably shares system RAM.  I bet the busy system is somehow
saturating the memory channel(s), thus causing the flickering.


This problem is *very* recent. Currently htop shows 465/946MB of system
RAM and only 91/1906MB of swap having been used. 



It's not the *amount* of RAM, it's the *throughput*.

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Re: Where is this deb.opera.com repository still coming from?

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

Tech Geek wrote :
> I was under the impression that whenever you run apt-get update it reads
> the repositories listed in /etc/apt/sources.list file and fetches the
> contents of it but apparently something else is going on too...
>  
> So somtime back I added the following line in my /etc/apt/sources.list:
> # Opera Browser Repository
> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
>  
> and then installed opera browser from it:
> apt-get update; apt-get install opera
>  
> Now after sometime I removed the opera repository line from sources.list
> (but the package is still installed) and then when I ran apt-get update,
> I still saw apt-get trying to read the opera repository like this:
[... snip]
> Not sure what is happening and from where apt-get is still seeing the
> opera repo line.
>  
> I have always use apt-get.
>  
> Thanks

Hi, look into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ , Opera (and others) used to put
their own repo there upon installation.


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Re: Linux and Windows partitioners fail to see opposite partitions

[Elmer E. Dow]

Mark wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Elmer E. Dow > wrote:

[snip]

I found the answer here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=437814


fdisk /dev/hda
m
w


Maybe you didn't see my email reply to Debian List when you first 
posted this but this is exactly what I said to do, except I suggested 
using cfdisk via an Ubuntu Live CD.


Glad it's working though.

Mark
I appreciated your suggestion, but in my ignorance I wasn't sure what to 
do after I entered cfdisk. You said, "You could try and fix this using 
the cfdisk command via an Ubuntu Live CD, it's worked before for me to 
rewrite the mbr according to the partition locations it recognizes" 
and I didn't equate rewriting the partition table (as the cfdisk man 
page  says for the command W) with rewriting the mbr as you said. It's 
sinking in now that evidently the mbr and the partition table are the 
same thing. I need to do some reading to get a better understanding of 
the workings of  a computer system in general and the boot process in 
particular.


Elmer


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Re: Linux and Windows partitioners fail to see opposite partitions

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:01:19 -0400 (EDT), Elmer E. Dow wrote:
> 
> It's sinking in now that evidently the mbr and the partition table are the 
> same thing.

The master boot record is cylinder 0, head 0, record 1, the very first
record on the hard disk, which is outside of any partition.  The master
boot record *contains* the main partition table.  According to the standard
MS-DOS partitioning scheme, one can define a minimum of 0, maximum of 4
primary partitions, a minimum of 0, maximum of 1 extended partitions, and
the total of primary partitions plus extended partitions is a minimum of
0, maximum of 4.  Thus, if an extended partition is present, there can be
a maximum of three primary partitions.  If an extended partition is not
present, there can be up to four primary partitions.  Linux assigns the
partitions defined here a number in the range 1-4.

If an extended partition is defined, then the boot sector for the extended
partition (which is separate from the master boot record) *contains* the
definitions for the logical drives, which can be thought of as a secondary
partition table.  (I'm using DOS terminology here.
DOS calls them "logical drives".  Linux calls them "logical partitions".)
Linux assigns these logical partitions a number from 5 and up.  There can be a
gap in partition numbers if an extended partition is defined and fewer than
three primary partitions are defined.  For example, /dev/hda1 could be a
primary partition, /dev/hda2 could be an extended partition, /dev/hda3
does not exist, /dev/hda4 does not exist, and /dev/hda5 is a logical
partition.  The extents defined for the extended partition in the main
partition table (starting cylinder and ending cylinder) must cover the
entire range of extents defined for all logical drives, and may overlap
on both sides.  In other words, a logical partition is a sub-division of
the extended partition.

HTH

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Re: Trouble using an Epson Stylus SX600FW network printer

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:46:39 +0100, Thibaut GIRKA wrote:

> Hi,
> I have an Epson Stylus SX600FW network printer that worked fine with
> cups+gutenprint a few months ago (yeah, I use it rarely), but now, it
> doesn't print anything...
> 
> I've purged cups, foomatic and all, then reinstalled cups (using
> unstable version), and reconfigured it (using system-config-printer).
> I've also tried different PPDs: the one for SX405 (selected by default
> when adding the printer), and the one for Office SX600FW.
> 
> The error is:
> E [24/Mar/2010:16:44:50 +0100] cupsdReadClient: 13 IPP Read Error!
> 
> Any idea?

Yes, it could be (or related to) this bug:

***
cups error when printing from evolution
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570467
***

Greetings,

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Re: virt-manager on debian lenny

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> Liam O'Toole  :
>On 2010-03-23, Umarzuki Mochlis  wrote:
>> --000e0cd138a0bec34f048273a887
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> hi, how do i get to install virt-manager on debian lenny 64-bit
>> aside from compiling the whole thing and it dependencies?
>>
>
>It is available at backports.org. Not sure about 64-bit though.
>

I used mine (the libvirt tools) with repository mixing and pinning
(lenny+squeeze+sid) and it also works very well.

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Re: playing/ripping audio cds

[Ingo Kasten]

Sorry for just putting in another thought, maybe I am wrong:

During upgrade of the kernel and/or udev the devices are sometimes newly
recognized. This makes udev create "new" devices , too.
It doesn't matter as far the devices are mounted by uuid in fstab, but
cdrom and dvd aren't mounted this way.
So you might have a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules .
If there is listed more than one physical device with creating symlinks
to more than one /dev/cdrom* you should rename that file and restart.
Udev will create a new file with the correct symlinks, which your 
applications can deal with again. Can't explain it in a better way ;-) .


Regards
Ingo


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Re: ssh warning!

[consul tores]

2010/3/24 Berni Elbourn :
> consul tores wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I do not want to create panic, but playing with my Lenny Laptop,
>> against Squezee and ArchLinux; i got (literaly) access without
>> password.
>> Conditions:
>> New installation in my testing box, from Lenny i was ready to edit
>> sshd_config after intallation, and i opened a console, i did ssh
>> r...@ip, when ssh asked me for password, i opened a window doing
>> fish://r...@ip, magically i was inside my Squezee or ArchLinux box.
>> I tested it few times and it was the same thing 1/20 aproximately, i
>> could not find a logical explanation but it happened. has someone
>> found something similar?
>>
>> francisco
>>
>>
>
> Sure, just set a valid cached password for the target systems.
>
> I have always found fish to be unreliable so your 1 in 20 sounds about
> normal to me.
>
> Berni

i tested it on OpenBSD and nothing happens, could be pam responsable
of it? After adding rsa/dsa.key, everything goes well.

francisco.


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Re: Linux and Windows partitioners fail to see opposite partitions

[Joe]

Elmer E. Dow wrote:

page  says for the command W) with rewriting the mbr as you said. It's 
sinking in now that evidently the mbr and the partition table are the 
same thing. I need to do some reading to get a better understanding of 
the workings of  a computer system in general and the boot process in 
particular.


In addition to Stephen's post, which covers most of what you need to 
know in practical terms, there are plenty more gory details here:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record

To avoid confusion, I'd add that most (all?) MBR fixing utilities don't 
actually touch the partition table entries, they write the first 446 
bytes. Recreating a partition table by reading the raw drive data, 
containing unknown partition types and filesystems, is not a trivial 
job, and will not be attempted by a simple utility. So it's still 
possible for an MBR fixing utility to replace 446 bytes of correct code 
but leave a corrupted partition table in place.


It is also possible, but made clear not to be the case here by your 
fdisk listing, for partition table entries to be placed out of order on 
the physical drive i.e. fdisk will allow you to create hda6 with 
higher-numbered cylinders than hda7. Most software which reads the 
partition table can deal with this, some cannot and will fail to see all 
partitions.


There was a Microsoft-approved method of installing NT4.0 to a hard 
drive of greater than a certain size (I forget how big, but 8GB rings a 
bell) which involved two NT4.0 installations, one to a primary partition 
placed after an extended partition i.e. with higher cylinder numbers 
than the extended and logical partitions. I recall at least one piece of 
software, possibly Partition Magic or one of its competitors, freaking 
out about that.


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Re: Linux and Windows partitioners fail to see opposite partitions

[olafrv]

It couldn't be said better than this way.

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-Original Message-
From: Stephen Powell 
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:31:32 
To: 
Subject: Re: Linux and Windows partitioners fail to see opposite partitions

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:01:19 -0400 (EDT), Elmer E. Dow wrote:
> 
> It's sinking in now that evidently the mbr and the partition table are the 
> same thing.

The master boot record is cylinder 0, head 0, record 1, the very first
record on the hard disk, which is outside of any partition.  The master
boot record *contains* the main partition table.  According to the standard
MS-DOS partitioning scheme, one can define a minimum of 0, maximum of 4
primary partitions, a minimum of 0, maximum of 1 extended partitions, and
the total of primary partitions plus extended partitions is a minimum of
0, maximum of 4.  Thus, if an extended partition is present, there can be
a maximum of three primary partitions.  If an extended partition is not
present, there can be up to four primary partitions.  Linux assigns the
partitions defined here a number in the range 1-4.

If an extended partition is defined, then the boot sector for the extended
partition (which is separate from the master boot record) *contains* the
definitions for the logical drives, which can be thought of as a secondary
partition table.  (I'm using DOS terminology here.
DOS calls them "logical drives".  Linux calls them "logical partitions".)
Linux assigns these logical partitions a number from 5 and up.  There can be a
gap in partition numbers if an extended partition is defined and fewer than
three primary partitions are defined.  For example, /dev/hda1 could be a
primary partition, /dev/hda2 could be an extended partition, /dev/hda3
does not exist, /dev/hda4 does not exist, and /dev/hda5 is a logical
partition.  The extents defined for the extended partition in the main
partition table (starting cylinder and ending cylinder) must cover the
entire range of extents defined for all logical drives, and may overlap
on both sides.  In other words, a logical partition is a sub-division of
the extended partition.

HTH

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Re: Linux and Windows partitioners fail to see opposite partitions

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:07:53 -0400 (EDT), Joe wrote:
> In addition to Stephen's post, which covers most of what you need to 
> know in practical terms, there are plenty more gory details here:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record

Good link, Joe.  Thanks.  wikipedia is one of my favorite research
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Re: Iceweasel not remembering saved passwords

[Dennis Wicks]

Celejar wrote the following on 03/22/2010 10:03 PM:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:49:08 -0500
Dennis Wicks  wrote:


Greetings;

All of a sudden Iceweasel has forgotten my userid and 
password for Paypal. All the others seem to be fine.


Also, it will not offer to remember the info when I logon to 
Paypal. Again, other sites are working correctly.


Any ideas what the trouble might be or how I can fix it and 
get it working the way it was?


TIA for any help or info,


Did you try looking under Prefs / Security / Passwords / Exceptions to
see if Paypal somehow got listed there?

Celejar
Yes, I checked that. No such luck. I also checked 
about:config for anything refering to Paypal but no hits 
there either. I am quite puzzled by this behaviour.


Thanks.


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Re: How to obtain UUID of drives (squeeze udev lacks vol_id)

[Paul E Condon]

On 20100322_175115, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-03-22 17:05, Paul E Condon wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> >You answered my question --- I didn't know about blkid utility.
> >With this one can give every partition a meaningful labels like ---
> >
> >LABEL="hda1"
> >
> >or whatever is displayed as the system device one one runs blkid
> >without options in order to get a full listing. e.g.
> >cmpq:~# blkid
> >/dev/hda1: UUID="990189bc-f7ce-41a6-9d8f-64a35349875e" TYPE="ext3"
> >/dev/hda2: LABEL="HDA2" UUID="5a02e986-8aa3-4790-aa3f-41f7f565533f"
> >TYPE="ext3" /dev/hda3: LABEL="HDA3"
> >UUID="63025622-0210-49d4-89ff-f038e6c218b6" TYPE="ext3" /dev/hda5:
> >TYPE="swap" /dev/hda6: LABEL="HDA6"
> >UUID="12148027-bc0b-4260-853e-64a8d79c6fe7" TYPE="ext3" /dev/hdb1:
> >UUID="29b36e91-32e7-46bd-b8d3-831f5dcbd337" TYPE="ext3" /dev/sda1:
> >LABEL="WDMB-1" UUID="bc1d2170-d790-4952-bbee-c3c3efdd8413"
> >TYPE="ext3" /dev/sdb1: LABEL="WDP-5"
> >UUID="8c6c3be3-4a72-45cd-929f-2dec9f185427" TYPE="ext3"
> 
> Gah!!!  "HDAn" are *horrible* labels.
> 
> When you add another hard drive, the kernel might make it hda and
> your existing drive hdb.  Or libata might convert them to sdx and
> then you'd have sda2 with label HDA2.  *Very* unintuitive!

For me, linux device names have become very intuitive. Certainly more
intuitive than UUIDs. I've been thinking about UUIDs for a little over
a week. To me, the idea of UUIDs suffers from a great excess of
pseudo-intellectual baggage. A convention for naming things that is
deliberately designed to generate names that give no clue as to what
the thing is, or which one of several similar things this one actually
is --- is crazy.

The HDXn convention tells me which metal-box-thing I have to pull out
of the computer box and replace, if Debian/GNU/Linux informs me that
this particular HDXn is broken. I like that.

I know this doesn't work for USB which has SCSI derived names. For
this I have been using labels for removeable drives. I have no
permanently installed USB drives, but I expect that when I do, I
will label them with some conventional names that can be put on
a sticker that is stuck on the physical thing. 

> 
> Or you might need to move the drive to a machine that already has a
> partition labeled HDA2.

If I need to move a drive to another machine, I will use blkid on
that machine to inspect the drive before I compose the new line
that will be needed in /etc/fstab. This saves some time. If
blkid can't report the labels on the HD, there is little hope of
mounting it and little point in it having a distinct ID.

> 
> Give them meaningful *symbolic* names.
> 
> >This is from a system that is running Lenny. Note that the swap partition 
> >doesn't
> >have either a label or a uuid, but I had specified labels each time I 
> >installed
> >a distro.
> >
> 
> That's weird.
> 
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Re: Booting from newly installed Kernel package?

[Jen]

Hello,

I have the latest version of the Kernel package installed, and have grub2.

Can you please tell me what I need to modify in order to get my machine to 
boot from the 2.6.32-4-i686?


Thanks,
Jen.




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On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 21:33 -, Jen wrote:

Hello,

I can't read your message. I'm not sure if its because of the screen
reading software I'm using, so could you send it in plain text, in
case it's my accessibility software?


Well, no idea why you couldn't read it. The only thing i can think of is
that i've signed the mail with gpg. This one is unsigned.

--- snip ---
Do you still have the -trunk- image installed? If yes take a look at:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568160

The easiest way to deal with this problem would be to remove the -trunk-
package. If you want to keep it, you would have to configure grub
accordingly. Which version of grub to you use?
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Re: SCSI module eata no longer loading automatically from initrd on Sid on i386

[Arthur Marsh]

Stephen Powell wrote, on 25/03/10 02:47:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:05:13 -0400 (EDT), Arthur Marsh wrote:
Why shouldn't the eata driver be loaded once the PCI bus has been 
scanned and a device that the eata driver knows about [1044:a400] in 
this case is detected?


00:08.0 SCSI storage controller [0100]: Adaptec (formerly DPT) 
SmartCache/Raid I

-IV Controller [1044:a400] (rev 02)
 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 160, IRQ 11
 BIST result: 00
 I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
 Expansion ROM at ee00 [disabled] [size=32K]


Because the hotplug system doesn't know that eata is the driver for this
board.  Once the eata driver gets loaded, it can detect that the board
supports the EATA/DMA protocol, and therefore it grabs the board.
But the driver has to get loaded first.

...

debian:~# modinfo eata
filename:   /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/eata.ko
description:EATA/DMA SCSI Driver
license:GPL
author: Dario Ballabio
depends:scsi_mod
vermagic:   2.6.26-2-686 SMP mod_unload modversions 686
parm:   eata: equivalent to the "eata=..." kernel boot option.
  Example: modprobe eata "eata=0x7410,0x230,lc:y,tm:0,mq:4,ep:n" (string)

--

Do you see the difference?  There are no "alias" entries for this module.
For whatever reason, the author/maintainer of the eata module elected
not to define internal aliases for each board that the driver supports.
I'm guessing that this is because there are so many boards that the driver
supports that maintaining the list would be a never-ending job.  Also,
some of the boards may be better supported by a more hardware-specific driver,
and if the eata module listed the board then the hotplug system would load
both drivers: the specific one for that board and eata.  And the two
drivers would interfere with each other.


I actually don't think any of those cases apply. Although there were 
several models of SCSI adaptors from DPT, they are no longer made and 
only the eata driver provided support for the DPT SCSI adaptors.


...

The mwave driver was written before Linux had a
hotplug system, and IBM didn't bother to go back and add the alias
retroactively.


This may have been the case. I have not found anyone using the eata 
driver recently.




In the case of eata, the best way to handle the situation is to
create an external alias.

What I would do is to create a file called /etc/modprobe.d/local.  In it
I would put the following statement:

   alias pci:v1044dA400* eata

Then, remove the "eata" entry from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules.  
Also make sure that eata is not listed in /etc/modules.  Then,

run update-initramfs again.  Check to make sure that the eata module is
still included in your initial RAM filesystem.  Re-run lilo, if you're
using lilo, then shutdown and reboot.  If I have the syntax right for
the alias command above, the hotplug system should load the eata module
at the proper time for SCSI adapter device drivers to be loaded, but
only if the card is actually found in the system.  If you were to
shutdown, remove the board, and boot again, the eata driver would not
be loaded, since the board was not found.  In this sense, it is
automatic.  (But only after you define the external alias.)


Yes, this worked thanks.



I'm not sure if the "A" in the device id needs to be upper case or
lower case.  Based on the vendor id for the 3w-9xxx driver, which
uses an upper-case "C", I assumed upper case.  You might have to
experiment a little to get a correct match.

If you want to file a bug report that the eata driver should define
an internal alias for every board that it supports, you can give it
a try.  But I'm not holding my breath.  Good luck.  ;-)



I'll post something to linux-scsi then (-:.

Regards and thanks for all the help and explanations,

Arthur.


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Re: Iceweasel not remembering saved passwords

[Celejar]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:19:32 -0500
Dennis Wicks  wrote:

> Celejar wrote the following on 03/22/2010 10:03 PM:
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:49:08 -0500
> > Dennis Wicks  wrote:
> > 
> >> Greetings;
> >>
> >> All of a sudden Iceweasel has forgotten my userid and 
> >> password for Paypal. All the others seem to be fine.
> >>
> >> Also, it will not offer to remember the info when I logon to 
> >> Paypal. Again, other sites are working correctly.
> >>
> >> Any ideas what the trouble might be or how I can fix it and 
> >> get it working the way it was?
> >>
> >> TIA for any help or info,
> > 
> > Did you try looking under Prefs / Security / Passwords / Exceptions to
> > see if Paypal somehow got listed there?
> > 
> > Celejar
> Yes, I checked that. No such luck. I also checked 
> about:config for anything refering to Paypal but no hits 
> there either. I am quite puzzled by this behaviour.

Sorry, I don't really know that much about this stuff.  I do know
that some websites can instruct the browser not to remember their
credentials. There are various workarounds for this, such as
Greasemonkey scripts, etc.  I don't know enough about this to provide
useful direction, though.  Good luck!

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snort on ossim

[Kaushal Shriyan]

Hi,

can i discuss about ossim
http://www.alienvault.com/community.php?section=Home in this mailing
list.

Thanks,

Kaushal


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Re: Iceweasel not remembering saved passwords

[Dennis Wicks]

Celejar wrote the following on 03/24/2010 08:16 PM:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:19:32 -0500
Dennis Wicks  wrote:


Celejar wrote the following on 03/22/2010 10:03 PM:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:49:08 -0500
Dennis Wicks  wrote:


Greetings;

All of a sudden Iceweasel has forgotten my userid and 
password for Paypal. All the others seem to be fine.


Also, it will not offer to remember the info when I logon to 
Paypal. Again, other sites are working correctly.


Any ideas what the trouble might be or how I can fix it and 
get it working the way it was?


TIA for any help or info,

Did you try looking under Prefs / Security / Passwords / Exceptions to
see if Paypal somehow got listed there?

Celejar
Yes, I checked that. No such luck. I also checked 
about:config for anything refering to Paypal but no hits 
there either. I am quite puzzled by this behaviour.


Sorry, I don't really know that much about this stuff.  I do know
that some websites can instruct the browser not to remember their
credentials. There are various workarounds for this, such as
Greasemonkey scripts, etc.  I don't know enough about this to provide
useful direction, though.  Good luck!

Celejar


Thanks for that info! I started searching for a workaround 
and found an answer in the Mozilla KB


(http://kb.mozillazine.org/User_name_and_password_not_remembered 


  if anyone else is interested.)

I wouldn't have thought to look without your suggestion.

Thanks again!
Dennis


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Re: snort on ossim

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-24 20:59, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:

Hi,

can i discuss about ossim
http://www.alienvault.com/community.php?section=Home in this mailing
list.


Depends.  What's to say that isn't marketing fluff and is vaguely 
relevant to Debian?


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Re: snort on ossim

[Kaushal Shriyan]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Ron Johnson  wrote:
> On 2010-03-24 20:59, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> can i discuss about ossim
>> http://www.alienvault.com/community.php?section=Home in this mailing
>> list.
>
> Depends.  What's to say that isn't marketing fluff and is vaguely relevant
> to Debian?

Hi Ron,

I have configured snort on ossim. ossim is based out of debian 5.0.4
Is there a way to test snort and check events via the web admin interface.?

Please suggest.

Thanks and Regards,

Kaushal


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Re: snort on ossim

[Stan Hoeppner]

Kaushal Shriyan put forth on 3/24/2010 9:29 PM:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Ron Johnson  wrote:
>> On 2010-03-24 20:59, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> can i discuss about ossim
>>> http://www.alienvault.com/community.php?section=Home in this mailing
>>> list.
>>
>> Depends.  What's to say that isn't marketing fluff and is vaguely relevant
>> to Debian?
> 
> Hi Ron,
> 
> I have configured snort on ossim. ossim is based out of debian 5.0.4
> Is there a way to test snort and check events via the web admin interface.?

Is this "web admin interface" you mention part of a standard Debian 5.0.4
installation?  Is it a Debian 5.0.4 standard feature?  If not, why are you
asking for help here instead of on the OSSIM forums?  I believe that is
where you should be looking for help, not here.

This forum is for the standard Debian distributions, not products built upon
them.

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Re: Booting from newly installed Kernel package?

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:51:25 -0400 (EDT), Jen wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have the latest version of the Kernel package installed, and have grub2.
> 
> Can you please tell me what I need to modify in order to get my machine to 
> boot from the 2.6.32-4-i686?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jen.

I'm not sure what you're saying, and I'm not sure what you're asking.
When you say "I have the latest version of the Kernel package installed",
are you saying that you have the latest stock kernel image installed,
which would be linux-image-2.6.32-4-686, I presume, or do you mean
that you have a package called kernel-package installed, which is used
to compile custom kernels?  I'm guessing the former.

Second, when you say "please tell me what I need to modify in order to get
my machine to boot from the 2.6.32-4-i686?"  Do you mean that you can't
get a custom kernel that you compiled yourself (with kernel-package) to boot?
Or do you simply mean that you want the latest stock kernel to boot by
default?  I assume the latter.

The simplest way is to purge the silly "trunk" kernel.  For example,

   aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686

The latest stock kernel image should then boot by default.  However, before
you do this, you must first boot something else by doing a manual
override boot.  In other words, you don't want to be running the
2.6.32-trunk kernel while you are trying to purge the 2.6.32-trunk kernel!
You don't *ever* want to try to purge a running kernel!
Manually select the 2.6.32-4-686 kernel from the grub boot menu to boot it.
Make sure that's what you're running by issuing the

   uname -r

command.  Then, once you're sure that you're not running the 2.6.32-trunk
kernel, issue the "aptitude purge" command above.  Then shutdown and
reboot.  The 2.6.32-4 kernel should then boot by default from then on.

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[SOLVED] SCSI module eata no longer loading automatically from initrd on Sid on i386

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:23:28 -0400 (EDT), Arthur Marsh wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote, on 25/03/10 02:47:
>> In the case of eata, the best way to handle the situation is to
>> create an external alias.
>> 
>> What I would do is to create a file called /etc/modprobe.d/local.  In it
>> I would put the following statement:
>> 
>>alias pci:v1044dA400* eata
>> 
>> Then, remove the "eata" entry from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules.  
>> Also make sure that eata is not listed in /etc/modules.  Then,
>> run update-initramfs again.  Check to make sure that the eata module is
>> still included in your initial RAM filesystem.  Re-run lilo, if you're
>> using lilo, then shutdown and reboot.  If I have the syntax right for
>> the alias command above, the hotplug system should load the eata module
>> at the proper time for SCSI adapter device drivers to be loaded, but
>> only if the card is actually found in the system.  If you were to
>> shutdown, remove the board, and boot again, the eata driver would not
>> be loaded, since the board was not found.  In this sense, it is
>> automatic.  (But only after you define the external alias.)
> 
> Yes, this worked thanks.
>
>> If you want to file a bug report that the eata driver should define
>> an internal alias for every board that it supports, you can give it
>> a try.  But I'm not holding my breath.  Good luck.  ;-)
> 
> I'll post something to linux-scsi then (-:.
>
> Regards and thanks for all the help and explanations,
>
> Arthur.

You're welcome.  I'm glad you got it working, and I'm glad I was able
to be of some service.

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Re: Iceweasel not remembering saved passwords

[Celejar]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:32 -0500
Dennis Wicks  wrote:

...

> Thanks for that info! I started searching for a workaround 
> and found an answer in the Mozilla KB
>  
> (http://kb.mozillazine.org/User_name_and_password_not_remembered 
> 
>if anyone else is interested.)
> 
> I wouldn't have thought to look without your suggestion.
> 
> Thanks again!

Glad you got it working!

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Re: How to obtain UUID of drives (squeeze udev lacks vol_id)

[Lubos Rendek]

Hi Paul,

> For me, linux device names have become very intuitive. Certainly more
> intuitive than UUIDs. I've been thinking about UUIDs for a little over
> a week. To me, the idea of UUIDs suffers from a great excess of
> pseudo-intellectual baggage. A convention for naming things that is
> deliberately designed to generate names that give no clue as to what
> the thing is, or which one of several similar things this one actually
> is --- is crazy.

I agree, HDXn is certainly easy to understand and it gives a sys admin
more transparent view into the system which also allows him/her to
react to the emergency situation with better speed. What is more is
that this is yet another example where MS windows people would not
move from their click, drag and drop approach as to convince them that
this is a better way to do it would be very hard.

Anyway what is this UUID business all about? If its is so great to use
multiple character strings of complete gibberish to name a partition
so why is it not done somewhere on the lower kernel level and make
this process completely transparent on the user level?

lubo


On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Paul E Condon
 wrote:
> On 20100322_175115, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 2010-03-22 17:05, Paul E Condon wrote:
>> [snip]
>> >
>> >You answered my question --- I didn't know about blkid utility.
>> >With this one can give every partition a meaningful labels like ---
>> >
>> >LABEL="hda1"
>> >
>> >or whatever is displayed as the system device one one runs blkid
>> >without options in order to get a full listing. e.g.
>> >cmpq:~# blkid
>> >/dev/hda1: UUID="990189bc-f7ce-41a6-9d8f-64a35349875e" TYPE="ext3"
>> >/dev/hda2: LABEL="HDA2" UUID="5a02e986-8aa3-4790-aa3f-41f7f565533f"
>> >TYPE="ext3" /dev/hda3: LABEL="HDA3"
>> >UUID="63025622-0210-49d4-89ff-f038e6c218b6" TYPE="ext3" /dev/hda5:
>> >TYPE="swap" /dev/hda6: LABEL="HDA6"
>> >UUID="12148027-bc0b-4260-853e-64a8d79c6fe7" TYPE="ext3" /dev/hdb1:
>> >UUID="29b36e91-32e7-46bd-b8d3-831f5dcbd337" TYPE="ext3" /dev/sda1:
>> >LABEL="WDMB-1" UUID="bc1d2170-d790-4952-bbee-c3c3efdd8413"
>> >TYPE="ext3" /dev/sdb1: LABEL="WDP-5"
>> >UUID="8c6c3be3-4a72-45cd-929f-2dec9f185427" TYPE="ext3"
>>
>> Gah!!!  "HDAn" are *horrible* labels.
>>
>> When you add another hard drive, the kernel might make it hda and
>> your existing drive hdb.  Or libata might convert them to sdx and
>> then you'd have sda2 with label HDA2.  *Very* unintuitive!
>
> For me, linux device names have become very intuitive. Certainly more
> intuitive than UUIDs. I've been thinking about UUIDs for a little over
> a week. To me, the idea of UUIDs suffers from a great excess of
> pseudo-intellectual baggage. A convention for naming things that is
> deliberately designed to generate names that give no clue as to what
> the thing is, or which one of several similar things this one actually
> is --- is crazy.
>
> The HDXn convention tells me which metal-box-thing I have to pull out
> of the computer box and replace, if Debian/GNU/Linux informs me that
> this particular HDXn is broken. I like that.
>
> I know this doesn't work for USB which has SCSI derived names. For
> this I have been using labels for removeable drives. I have no
> permanently installed USB drives, but I expect that when I do, I
> will label them with some conventional names that can be put on
> a sticker that is stuck on the physical thing.
>
>>
>> Or you might need to move the drive to a machine that already has a
>> partition labeled HDA2.
>
> If I need to move a drive to another machine, I will use blkid on
> that machine to inspect the drive before I compose the new line
> that will be needed in /etc/fstab. This saves some time. If
> blkid can't report the labels on the HD, there is little hope of
> mounting it and little point in it having a distinct ID.
>
>>
>> Give them meaningful *symbolic* names.
>>
>> >This is from a system that is running Lenny. Note that the swap partition 
>> >doesn't
>> >have either a label or a uuid, but I had specified labels each time I 
>> >installed
>> >a distro.
>> >
>>
>> That's weird.
>>
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Debian pdf files

[Bikash Poudel]

Hellow,

I want to switch from Windows to Linux, and intending to adopt Debian
distribution. Since I do not have regular and reliable internet,I want
to download all free PDF files of manuals,books,HOW TOs and references
of Debian. Is there a package of all books downloadable?

Thank you
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Re: Debian pdf files

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

2010/3/25 Bikash Poudel 

> Hellow,
>
> I want to switch from Windows to Linux, and intending to adopt Debian
> distribution. Since I do not have regular and reliable internet,I want
> to download all free PDF files of manuals,books,HOW TOs and references
> of Debian. Is there a package of all books downloadable?
>
>
browse http://www.debian.org/doc/
lots of them


> Thank you
> bikash poudel
> Nepal
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Re: Re: losing xmodmap settings during X startup

[Pall Gone]

Hi Joey

I'm experiencing exactly the same problem.

> Now here is where it gets strange. Testing a workaround...
Ha, pressing a key and it works. Funny...
I've tried to delay it before, but in the background, where this doesn't work :)

This seems to be a general Linux related problem as I am having the
same thing on Archlinux

See here for some details:
http://madduck.net/docs/extending-xkb/

Cheers,
Pall


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Re: Debian pdf files

[Freeman]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 09:19:31AM +0545, Bikash Poudel wrote:
> Hellow,
> 
> I want to switch from Windows to Linux, and intending to adopt Debian
> distribution. Since I do not have regular and reliable internet,I want
> to download all free PDF files of manuals,books,HOW TOs and references
> of Debian. Is there a package of all books downloadable?
> 
> Thank you
> bikash poudel
> Nepal
> 

The is a package category, doc. You can browse it in aptitude curses or
synaptic. It is actually referred to as a section but it is not the same
thing as the section of a repository that is referred to on
packages.debian.org.

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Re: Debian pdf files

[Freeman]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 09:19:31AM +0545, Bikash Poudel wrote:
> Hellow,
> 
> I want to switch from Windows to Linux, and intending to adopt Debian
> distribution. Since I do not have regular and reliable internet,I want
> to download all free PDF files of manuals,books,HOW TOs and references
> of Debian. Is there a package of all books downloadable?
> 
> Thank you
> bikash poudel
> Nepal
> 

BTW, most of this will not be in PDF, but almost all of it, including the
HTML, is install-able to your machine as packages.

Good call too. Debian has some rich reading.

My favorite:

  # aptitude install debian-reference

complete with a hyphen and two letter code required for your preferred language.

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