Re: From console to GUI

[Sebastian Weisgerber]

In general I would recommend that you test all pieces of software which could 
be interesting to  you.
Precheck screenshots and install them.
Thanks to the package management, it's really easy.

kompozer could be a Dreamweaver replacement, although it's not as powerful.

No one mentioned kmail (or I didn't noticed it), you could give it a try as 
your mailing application.

Many users think, at least in the beginning. that you can't use KDE/QT 
Applications in Gnome, which is just a wrong 
assumption. There's no reason you shouldn't do that, except that they look a 
bit different, which not really is a 
problem.
Even this problem is eliminable by choosing qtcurve as your theme in gnome and 
kde/qt pperance settings (it's in the 
repositorys).

mysql-navigator is a nice mysql GUI

synaptic is really good for exploring and finding packages, because it can 
search in the whole package decription. It's a 
GUI application.

If you really depend on a windows application, you could try playonlinux. 
http://www.playonlinux.com/en/
It's a GUI for managing wine & windows applications and is really helpful (not 
only games!)

Greetings

Sebastian 

On Friday 20 August 2010 14:40:32 Jangita wrote:
> Hello Good people,
> 
> I have been an avid user of debian linux, but for server and backend
> systems (apache/mysql/kannel and the likes), and I develop all my
> software from my windows laptop (dreamweaver, delphi, sqlyog - mysql
> client) etc etc
> 
> I have been poking around a little bit to now move my laptop to debian;
> Since I've done alot of work with servers on debian, i do know my way
> around as per drivers, apt, and debian as a whole, but purely console -
> but I suck at GUI; so I would like to know what combinations of software
> would let me continue working as I did on my laptop, but on debian
> 
> Questions are (without starting a "which is the best" war...)
> 
> 1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?
> 2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird...
> good or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider?
> 3. Programming: For my programming I've seen eclipse to be the best, I
> could practically code everything in evolution using the plugins, one
> problem though - do I get a WYSIWYG plugin/editor for my HTML pages
> (might be for the eclipse mailing list but just wnat to see what guys
> use here)
> 4. Delphi -> FPC
> 5. Any ideas of a GUI mysql client for windows?
> 6. I forgot to mention my chat applications (skype, msn, yahoo, google
> talk) - any recommended clients that support features in the original
> versions? (I've only found skype)
> 7. Office Suite - I'll go for openoffice (any better alternatives?)
> 8. Any alternative for adobe fireworks?
> 
> and i'll have a teeny weeeny partition like 10% of my hdd for playing my
> windows games and cases where there is just no unix alternative (Orbiter!!)
> 
> Thanks! Looking forward for the big format.


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Re: gdm crashes unexpectedly every now and then

[James Brown]

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Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
> Hi, everyone --
> 
> I've had 2 instances recently in which gdm unexpectedly crashed and
> restarted.  This morning, the log reported the following:
> 
> Aug 20 06:33:21 tibouchina kernel: [481166.096049]
> [drm:i915_gem_do_execbuffer] *ERROR* Failed to pin buffer 35 of 43, total
> 159727616 bytes: -28
> Aug 20 06:33:21 tibouchina kernel: [481166.096053]
> [drm:i915_gem_do_execbuffer] *ERROR* 2020 objects [40 pinned], 399417344
> object bytes [133828608 pinned], 133828608/234881024 gtt bytes
> Aug 20 06:33:22 tibouchina gdm[1994]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler:
> Fatal X error - Restarting :0
> 
> Can anyone give me guidance about what the problem is and/or how to resolve
> it?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> -PT
> 

I have such problem too after renewal xulrunner in the end ot July 2010.
I have the next records in my logs:
gdm[22957]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal error X - Restart
:0 (in daemon.log and in syslog);
 gdm[16680]: WARNING: Cannot start X-server several times for short time
period; disabling display :0





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gdm crashes unexpectedly every now and then

[Peter Tenenbaum]

Hi, everyone --

I've had 2 instances recently in which gdm unexpectedly crashed and
restarted.  This morning, the log reported the following:

Aug 20 06:33:21 tibouchina kernel: [481166.096049]
[drm:i915_gem_do_execbuffer] *ERROR* Failed to pin buffer 35 of 43, total
159727616 bytes: -28
Aug 20 06:33:21 tibouchina kernel: [481166.096053]
[drm:i915_gem_do_execbuffer] *ERROR* 2020 objects [40 pinned], 399417344
object bytes [133828608 pinned], 133828608/234881024 gtt bytes
Aug 20 06:33:22 tibouchina gdm[1994]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler:
Fatal X error - Restarting :0

Can anyone give me guidance about what the problem is and/or how to resolve
it?

Thanks in advance,
-PT

konqueror media protocol not supported

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Using Squeeze, konqueror Version 4.4.5 (KDE 4.4.5).

If I do konqueror -> F9 -> click on "storage media" link in the left tab, an 
error pops up saying "protocol not supported media"

Anyone know how to fix that?

thanks
raju
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Re: Re: Samba matchname: host name/address mismatch: ::ffff:127.0.0.1 != localhost

[Tom H]

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Roger Lynn  wrote:
>
> Just to let you know, your second suggestion worked, thank you. The mailing
> list seams to be eating my email. Feel free to forward this to the list if
> you think it would be helpful.
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Samba matchname: host name/address mismatch: :::127.0.0.1
> != localhost
> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:49:58 +0100
> From: Roger Lynn 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> In-Reply-To: 
> References: <4c6568b1.5020...@rilynn.me.uk>
> 
>
> Resending, as the previous attempt hasn't shown up on the list archives
> despite being accepted by liszt.debian.org. I assume it's disappeared into a
> black hole somewhere.
>
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:47:14 -0400, Tom H  wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Roger Lynn  wrote:
>> > Since upgrading from etch to lenny when it came out, all my Samba logs have
>> > been full of lines like:
>> >
>> > [2010/08/13 15:07:11,  0] lib/util_sock.c:matchname(1749)
>> >  matchname: host name/address mismatch: :::127.0.0.1 != localhost
>> > [2010/08/13 15:07:11,  0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_name(1870)
>> >  Matchname failed on localhost :::127.0.0.1
>> >
>> > As accessing files from Windows clients still works I've been able to work
>> > around it, so I've ignored it, but now I think it's preventing me from
>> > adding printers. There are lots of similar reports around, but I can't find
>> > any solutions. I am using only Debian Lenny packages with security updates
>> > and proposed updates. I am using dnsmasq for DNS. My smb.conf file is 
>> > below.
>> > I have not knowingly done any customisation or configuration relating to 
>> > IPv6.
>> >
>> > Is this a bug in my configuration, samba or somewhere else, possibly 
>> > dnsmasq?
>> >
>> > Obviously this is IPv6 related. As I can't find any way of disabling IPv6 
>> > in
>> > Samba, the simplest solution appears to be to disable IPv6 on the entire
>> > machine. Has anyone got any better suggestions?
>>
>> A possible hack: add the hybrid (or whatever it is actually called)
>> ":::127.0.0.1" ipv6 address to the "hosts allow" line.
>
> That didn't work, and wouldn't help for the other machines on the network
> that all have the same problem.
>
>> You might be able to disable ipv6 just for samba by adding
>> bind interfaces only = yes
>> interfaces = 127.0.0.1 host_ip_address
>> to smb.conf
>
> That did work, thank you. This seems to be just working around the problem
> rather than solving it properly, but I don't care.
> I've also discovered that Samba must be explicitly configured to use UTF8
> character set to talk to CUPS, which doesn't seem to be documented anywhere.
> Thanks again,

You're welcome. The first suggestion was a WAG so I'm not completely
surprised that it would fail. It turns out that the correct name for
the ":::..." address is "ipv4-mapped ipv6 address" and that my WAG
failed because: "The IPv4-mapped address, 0:0:0:0:0::w.x.y.z or
:::w.x.y.z, is used to represent an IPv4-only node to an IPv6
node. It is used only for internal representation. The IPv4-mapped
address is never used as a source or destination address for an IPv6
packet. The IPv6 protocol does not support the use of IPv4-mapped
addresses."

I agree that the second suggestion is a workaround but since samba
doesn't seem have a "noipv6" option like, for example, sshd, there
isn't really a choice... If you aren't using ipv6, you could disable
it through grub.


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Re: How does Squeeze initialize PS1 ?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <84lj80alu2@sauna.l.org>, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
>Paul E Condon  writes:
>> I would
>> have thought 'interactive' should be characterized by having a tty
>> attached to sysin and sysout for communication to a 'user'.
>
>That is not true. If I run "bash foo.sh" then I am not running shell
>interactively. Instead, the shell is interpreting commands from a file
>in a completely automated fashion and not consulting me before each
>command.
>
>However, "bash foo.sh" can very well have stdin and stdout connected
>to a terminal. Having a terminal and being interactive are two
>different concepts.

According the the relevant specifications, being interactive is closely keyed 
to what types of objects are attached to stdin and stderr.  In specific:

"Standard input and standard error are the files that determine whether a 
shell is interactive when -i is not specified. For example: 

sh > file

 and: 

sh 2> file

 create interactive and non-interactive shells, respectively. Although both 
accept terminal input, the results of error conditions are different, as 
described in  Consequences of Shell Errors ; in the second example a 
redirection error encountered by a special built-in utility will abort the 
shell."
-- Single UNIX Specifcation, version 2: Commands and Utilities -- sh -- 
Application Usage.

Similar wording is in SUSv3.  Both the SUSv2 and SUSv3 are available in the 
"contrib" component of Lenny, Squeeze, and Sid.
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Re: How does Squeeze initialize PS1 ?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Paul E Condon
 wrote:
> I'm debugging some bash scripts and reading the scripts that come as
> part of Squeeze installation. I find several places where there are
> statements the set a value from variable PS1, BUT all of them seem
> to be in scripts that only get executed if PS1 is already non-empty.
> i.e. they are after a statement
> [ -z "$PS1" ] && return
> which, I think, executes return if PS1 is empty.
>
> A related question:
> The comment just before the above line of code is:
> "# If not running interactively, don't do anything"
>
> For me, the implication of this comment is that a non-empty PS1 IS
> the defining characteristic of 'running interactively', but I would
> have thought 'interactive' should be characterized by having a tty
> attached to sysin and sysout for communication to a 'user'.
>
> I can imagine that a non-empty PS1 is used as an indicator, in which
> case whatever code that actually sets up the tty also sets PS1 to
> some minimal non-empty value like a single space or a dot, but is
> this actually the way it works, and where is it?
>
> Where can I read about these issues?

>From "man bash" (not being obnoxious)

An interactive shell is one started without non-option arguments and
without the -c option whose standard input and error are both connected
to terminals (as determined by isatty(3)), or one started with the -i
option. PS1 is set and $- includes i if bash is interactive, allowing
a shell script or a startup file to test this state.


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Re: How does Squeeze initialize PS1 ?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Paul E Condon  writes:
> I'm debugging some bash scripts and reading the scripts that come as
> part of Squeeze installation. I find several places where there are
> statements the set a value from variable PS1, BUT all of them seem
> to be in scripts that only get executed if PS1 is already non-empty.
> i.e. they are after a statement 
> [ -z "$PS1" ] && return
> which, I think, executes return if PS1 is empty.

That's true. The commands

$ apt-get source bash
$ grep -r '"PS1"' .

show that it is bash itself that sets PS1 if it is interactive:

  /* set up the prompts. */
  if (interactive_shell)
{
#if defined (PROMPT_STRING_DECODE)
  set_if_not ("PS1", primary_prompt);
#else
  if (current_user.uid == -1)
get_current_user_info ();
  set_if_not ("PS1", current_user.euid == 0 ? "# " : primary_prompt);
#endif
  set_if_not ("PS2", secondary_prompt);
}
  set_if_not ("PS4", "+ ");


> For me, the implication of this comment is that a non-empty PS1 IS
> the defining characteristic of 'running interactively', but I would
> have thought 'interactive' should be characterized by having a tty
> attached to sysin and sysout for communication to a 'user'. 

That is not true. If I run "bash foo.sh" then I am not running shell
interactively. Instead, the shell is interpreting commands from a file
in a completely automated fashion and not consulting me before each
command.

However, "bash foo.sh" can very well have stdin and stdout connected
to a terminal. Having a terminal and being interactive are two
different concepts.


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Re: From console to GUI

[Andreas Rönnquist]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:40:32 +0200
Jangita  wrote:

> Hello Good people,
> 
> Questions are (without starting a "which is the best" war...)
> 
> 2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird... 
> good or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider?

You should take a look at Sylpheed too.

http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/


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Re: From Console to GUI

[Rob Owens]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 09:20:50AM +0200, Jangita wrote:
> 2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird...  
> good or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider?

You probably already know this, but Debian has Icedove instead of
Thunderbird.  It's Thunderbird with all the Mozilla-trademarked stuff
replaced/removed.

-Rob


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How does Squeeze initialize PS1 ?

[Paul E Condon]

I'm debugging some bash scripts and reading the scripts that come as
part of Squeeze installation. I find several places where there are
statements the set a value from variable PS1, BUT all of them seem
to be in scripts that only get executed if PS1 is already non-empty.
i.e. they are after a statement 
[ -z "$PS1" ] && return
which, I think, executes return if PS1 is empty.

A related question:
The comment just before the above line of code is:
"# If not running interactively, don't do anything"

For me, the implication of this comment is that a non-empty PS1 IS
the defining characteristic of 'running interactively', but I would
have thought 'interactive' should be characterized by having a tty
attached to sysin and sysout for communication to a 'user'. 

I can imagine that a non-empty PS1 is used as an indicator, in which
case whatever code that actually sets up the tty also sets PS1 to 
some minimal non-empty value like a single space or a dot, but is
this actually the way it works, and where is it?

Where can I read about these issues?

Puzzled.
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Re: From Console to GUI

[Chris Davies]

Jangita  wrote:
> I have been poking around a little bit to now move my laptop to debian
> [...]

> 1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?
> 2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird... 

These both work for me (on a laptop/desktop system). Try Gnome, KDE,
and whatever else, and take the one that best fits your style. Some
people like Evolution, especially in an Exchange environment


> 3. Programming: For my programming I've seen evolution to be the best, I 

Do you mean Eclipse? Colleagues of mine (also using GNU/Linux on a
desktop) like this. Personally, I'm an xterm, *sh, and vi(m) person


> 5. Any ideas of a GUI mysql client for windows?

The GUI MySQL client for GNU/Linux?


> 6. I forgot to mention my chat applications (skype, msn, yahoo, google 
> talk) [...]

Skype and Pidgin work for me


> 7. Office Suite - I'll go for openoffice (any better alternatives?)

The Gnome stuff is lighter weight, but IMO openoffice is more full featured


> 8. Any alternative for adobe fireworks?

No suggestions for this

Chris


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understanding kernel panic message

[Miles Fidelman]

Hi Folks,

So what does it actually mean when I get the message "kernel panic: not 
syncing"?  I can't seem to find a reference, in any of the obvious 
places, as to what the various kernel-generated oops and panic messages 
actually mean - can someone point me at one?


Thanks,

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Re: Cron job

[Eero Volotinen]

2010/8/20 Poo Py :
> Hi I'm tired of fucking ordering horny goat weed every week manually so can
> someone please make a fucking cron job to do this for me? Many thanks and
> god bless your kind souls.
>

crontab -e and:

@weekly /path/to/order_horny_goat_weed.sh

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Re: From console to GUI

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 20 aug 10, 14:40:32, Jangita wrote:
 
> 1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?

You didn't say anything about what you expect from your Desktop 
Environment, but I generally recommend KDE to Windows power users and 
Gnome to the others. Xfce and LXDE are excelent for less powerful 
computers.

> 2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards
> thunderbird... good or bad choice? any other email clients I should
> consider?

If you don't mind writing only plain text mails try Claws Mail (it can 
render html mails with the proper plugins). It's probably the fastest 
GUI mailer.

> 6. I forgot to mention my chat applications (skype, msn, yahoo,
> google talk) - any recommended clients that support features in the
> original versions? (I've only found skype)

Pidgin should be able to do video and voice on GTalk (XMPP actually) and 
kopete on Yahoo. I understand amsn is quite good for MSN.

Regards,
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Re: From console to GUI

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 20 aug 10, 17:29:06, Jangita wrote:
 
> Thanks for your advice; I've tried wine,crossover in its early days,
> and yes it does run some windows applications directly on linux, but
> the experience it gives is still far from running the same
> application in its native OS (eg if i want to play a game) and as
> for CS4 (and other adobe suits) it almost always unexpectedly quits
> after about a minute of use, sqlyog and navicat however might work
> better being "ligher apps" any thoughts?

My brother has used CS4 in a VirtualBox Windows machine one some Core 2 
Duo and 2 GB RAM.

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Re: From console to GUI

[Greg Madden]

On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 17:55 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:45:17 -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 16:26 +, Camaleón wrote:
> >> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:06:18 -0400, Jordan Metzmeier wrote:
> >> 
> >> > IIRC when the big issue came up of some distros (suse and ubuntu
> >> > maybe?), shipping mono with default gnome, was because of
> >> > tomboy-notes.
> >> 
> >> Yes, that can be... I migrated from openSUSE to Debian so I've been a
> >> long time openSUSE user and true is that I remembered there was mono-
> >> dependecy coming from somewhere, just forgot from where, exactly :-)
> >> 
> > FYI, 'apt-cache search ', shows package depends, among
> > other stuff.
> > 
> > apt-cache search evolution |grep mono
> 
> Hey, that command does not search for mono-dependency packages :-P
> 
> Look:
> 
> apt-cache search tomboy | grep mono
> apt-cache search f-spot | grep mono
> 
> (returns nothing)
> 
> These are the good ones ;-)
> 
> apt-cache depends f-spot | grep mono
> apt-cache depends tomboy | grep mono
> apt-cache depends mono | grep mono
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 

oops, my mistake it is 'apt-cache show '



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Re: From console to GUI

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:45:17 -0800, Greg Madden wrote:

> On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 16:26 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:06:18 -0400, Jordan Metzmeier wrote:
>> 
>> > IIRC when the big issue came up of some distros (suse and ubuntu
>> > maybe?), shipping mono with default gnome, was because of
>> > tomboy-notes.
>> 
>> Yes, that can be... I migrated from openSUSE to Debian so I've been a
>> long time openSUSE user and true is that I remembered there was mono-
>> dependecy coming from somewhere, just forgot from where, exactly :-)
>> 
> FYI, 'apt-cache search ', shows package depends, among
> other stuff.
> 
> apt-cache search evolution |grep mono

Hey, that command does not search for mono-dependency packages :-P

Look:

apt-cache search tomboy | grep mono
apt-cache search f-spot | grep mono

(returns nothing)

These are the good ones ;-)

apt-cache depends f-spot | grep mono
apt-cache depends tomboy | grep mono
apt-cache depends mono | grep mono

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Re: From console to GUI

[Greg Madden]

On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 16:26 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:06:18 -0400, Jordan Metzmeier wrote:
> 
> > On 08/20/2010 12:03 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> >> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:08:31 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> >>> Luckily Evolution has nothing to do with Mono. Actually, I don't know
> >>> of any email client written in C#.
> >> 
> >> No? :-?
> >> 
> >> Then I confused Evo with another developments using Mono. I always
> >> thought that installing Evolution will pull Mono libraries (required
> >> for plugins and connectors), but I maybe wrong.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > IIRC when the big issue came up of some distros (suse and ubuntu
> > maybe?), shipping mono with default gnome, was because of tomboy-notes.
> 
> Yes, that can be... I migrated from openSUSE to Debian so I've been a 
> long time openSUSE user and true is that I remembered there was mono-
> dependecy coming from somewhere, just forgot from where, exactly :-)
> 
> Greetings,
> 
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> 
> 

FYI, 'apt-cache search ', shows package depends, among
other stuff.

apt-cache search evolution |grep mono


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Re: Icedove trash icon appears only after trash is emptied

[Elmer E. Dow]

Camaleón wrote:

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:59:39 -0500, Elmer E. Dow wrote:

  

Camaleón wrote:



(...)

  

Try to recreate the Trash folder by moving or renaming (do not delete)
these files and restarting Icedove:

~/.mozilla-thunderbird/profile.default/Mail/Local Folders/Trash
~/.mozilla-thunderbird/profile.default/Mail/Local Folders/Trash.msf

Before doing it, just check the current Trash folder is empty (contains
no data).



  

I renamed those files Trashold and Trashold.msf, then restarted Icedove.
Still no Trash icon in Icedove, but it did recreate the Trash and
Trash.msf files in the Local Folders directory.  I rebooted, still no
change. What should I try now?



Mmm, try with a complete empty profile.

Rename the current one so Icedove creates another. If that works, you 
can move your settings/files to the working one.


  

By the way, instead of profile.default I have e3x3er35.default.



Yep, each user has a random chain of letters and numbers :-)

Greetings,

  
I found the problem and it was me. In that Icedove menu at the left, 
there's a toggle at the top for All Folders, Recent Folders, etc. and I 
had somehow accidentally set it to Recent instead of All, which explains 
why the Trash icon appeared after I emptied the Trash folder. Problem 
solved. Thanks for your efforts. Sorry to bother.


Elmer


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Re: From console to GUI

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:06:18 -0400, Jordan Metzmeier wrote:

> On 08/20/2010 12:03 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:08:31 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>>> Luckily Evolution has nothing to do with Mono. Actually, I don't know
>>> of any email client written in C#.
>> 
>> No? :-?
>> 
>> Then I confused Evo with another developments using Mono. I always
>> thought that installing Evolution will pull Mono libraries (required
>> for plugins and connectors), but I maybe wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> IIRC when the big issue came up of some distros (suse and ubuntu
> maybe?), shipping mono with default gnome, was because of tomboy-notes.

Yes, that can be... I migrated from openSUSE to Debian so I've been a 
long time openSUSE user and true is that I remembered there was mono-
dependecy coming from somewhere, just forgot from where, exactly :-)

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Re: From console to GUI

[Jordan Metzmeier]

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On 08/20/2010 12:03 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:08:31 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>> Luckily Evolution has nothing to do with Mono. Actually, I don't know of
>> any email client written in C#.
> 
> No? :-? 
> 
> Then I confused Evo with another developments using Mono. I always 
> thought that installing Evolution will pull Mono libraries (required for 
> plugins and connectors), but I maybe wrong.
> 
> Greetings,
> 

IIRC when the big issue came up of some distros (suse and ubuntu
maybe?), shipping mono with default gnome, was because of tomboy-notes.

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Re: From console to GUI

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:08:31 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 07:01, Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:40:32 +0200, Jangita wrote:
>>>
>>> 2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird...
>>> good or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider?
>>
>> I use Thunderbird (here in Debian named "Icedove"). I try to keep a
>> prudent distance for Mono apps
> 
> Luckily Evolution has nothing to do with Mono. Actually, I don't know of
> any email client written in C#.

No? :-? 

Then I confused Evo with another developments using Mono. I always 
thought that installing Evolution will pull Mono libraries (required for 
plugins and connectors), but I maybe wrong.

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Re: From console to GUI

[Kelly Clowers]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 07:10, Jangita  wrote:
>
> Gimp looks ok; can Gimp do print quality (high dpi and crazy formats)?

I don't know much about that stuff, but I think Gimp can do at least
1200 dpi. It does export to a large number of image formats, not sure
which ones. One big problem with Gimp has been the lack of high
color depth. Gimp is in the process of moving to a new image backend
that can do 32 bit color depth (and other interesting things), I believe
that that central feature can be enabled in 2.6.


On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 08:29, Jangita  wrote:
>
> Thanks for your advice; I've tried wine,crossover in its early days, and yes
> it does run some windows applications directly on linux, but the experience
> it gives is still far from running the same application in its native OS (eg
> if i want to play a game) and as for CS4 (and other adobe suits) it almost
> always unexpectedly quits after about a minute of use,

It really depends heavily on the app, the version of the app, and the version
of Wine.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: Request to Debian Users

[Klaus Wolf]

Hi,

you may download CD-iso-file to burn your own net-installation CD with
following link:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso

Thanks for interesting din Debian-linux
greatings and a nice day


Am Freitag, den 20.08.2010, 07:42 -0700 schrieb ROSHAN M:
> Hi, 
> 
> 
> I am Mahesh.M, like to use Debian 5.0 in my computer. I read that
> Debian is a Core operating system based on UNIX and also so many Linux
> distributions are made with the help of Debian based.  I am very much
> interested in using Debian Operating System. Can any one help me to
> get a copy of Debian 5.0 for a 32 bit computer, please send me one
> copy to the address mentioned;
> 
> 
> Swamy Nilayam, House No: 243
> 
> Tc 27/659, Haritha Nagar, 
> 
> Thachakudy Line, Ambalathumuku,
> 
> Vachiyoor(PO), Trivandrum,
> 
> Kerala 695035
> 
> India
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mahesh
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Icedove trash icon appears only after trash is emptied

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:59:39 -0500, Elmer E. Dow wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> Try to recreate the Trash folder by moving or renaming (do not delete)
>> these files and restarting Icedove:
>>
>> ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/profile.default/Mail/Local Folders/Trash
>> ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/profile.default/Mail/Local Folders/Trash.msf
>>
>> Before doing it, just check the current Trash folder is empty (contains
>> no data).
>>
>>
>>
> I renamed those files Trashold and Trashold.msf, then restarted Icedove.
> Still no Trash icon in Icedove, but it did recreate the Trash and
> Trash.msf files in the Local Folders directory.  I rebooted, still no
> change. What should I try now?

Mmm, try with a complete empty profile.

Rename the current one so Icedove creates another. If that works, you 
can move your settings/files to the working one.

> By the way, instead of profile.default I have e3x3er35.default.

Yep, each user has a random chain of letters and numbers :-)

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Re: From console to GUI

[Jangita]

On 20/08/2010 4:13 p, Michal wrote:

Anything you can't find a Linux alternative for, you can always use
Wine, Crossover etc etc


Hi Michal, please reply to the list so that everyone can benefit, not 
directly to the sender;


Thanks for your advice; I've tried wine,crossover in its early days, and 
yes it does run some windows applications directly on linux, but the 
experience it gives is still far from running the same application in 
its native OS (eg if i want to play a game) and as for CS4 (and other 
adobe suits) it almost always unexpectedly quits after about a minute of 
use, sqlyog and navicat however might work better being "ligher apps" 
any thoughts?


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Re: From console to GUI

[Jangita]

On 20/08/2010 5:12 p, Rob Owens wrote:

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 04:10:07PM +0200, Jangita wrote:

On 20/08/2010 3:36 p, Kelly Clowers wrote:

1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?


Gnome is great. So is KDE. Some like lightweight alternatives, like LXDE,
or just a Window Manager without a Desktop Environment. I'd start with
Gnome or KDE, then try the other (give each at least a month, I would say).
Then if you feel like it, try some other the other options.


You lost be at the "Windows Manager without a Desktop Environment bit"
Gnome it is.


Gnome and KDE are the easiest for new users, because they include a lot
of default applications.  "Window Managers without a Desktop
Environment" often require you to pick and choose your own applications,
right down to your network connection manager.  Experienced users often
like this, but for new users it can be overwhelming.


Thanks for clearing this out. Desktop environment is like a "suite". 
True, sounds good for starters, and later, slowly start picking and 
choosing exactly what you want.





3. Programming: For my programming I've seen eclipse to be the best, I could
practically code everything in evolution using the plugins, one problem
though - do I get a WYSIWYG plugin/editor for my HTML pages (might be for
the eclipse mailing list but just wnat to see what guys use here)


Eclipse is common, but a lot of people here probably program in Vim or Emacs.
I can't recommend WYSIWYG for HTML at all. Bluefish is step up from writing
HTML in a plain text editor, but isn't really WYSIWYG.

Guess i'm spoilt, code completion syntax highlighting for the scripting
part, and for html I would take some time to make those tables and forms
for user entry - id rather use a wysiwyg editor, then go into the html
and inject my php into it.


You could try kompozer.  It's in lenny-backports and squeeze.  It's
WYSIWYG.

Ahh good, I'll give it a shot.



5. Any ideas of a GUI mysql client for windows?


OpenOffice Base can run as a client for MySQL.  It has an interface
similar to MS Access.


Thanks for this too.

-Rob



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Re: googleearth 5.2

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Friday 20 August 2010 16:48:58 hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> > On Friday 20 August 2010 16:14:58 hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> 
> I can't get it to work on Lenny and i386, what distribution do you run?
> 
> Hugo

Squeeze.
Did you install using googleearth-package or the bin from google?
Also try starting it from a console to get,maybe, some error messages.
Thierry


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Re: From console to GUI

[Rob Owens]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 04:10:07PM +0200, Jangita wrote:
> On 20/08/2010 3:36 p, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>>> 1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?
>>
>> Gnome is great. So is KDE. Some like lightweight alternatives, like LXDE,
>> or just a Window Manager without a Desktop Environment. I'd start with
>> Gnome or KDE, then try the other (give each at least a month, I would say).
>> Then if you feel like it, try some other the other options.
>>
> You lost be at the "Windows Manager without a Desktop Environment bit"  
> Gnome it is.

Gnome and KDE are the easiest for new users, because they include a lot
of default applications.  "Window Managers without a Desktop
Environment" often require you to pick and choose your own applications,
right down to your network connection manager.  Experienced users often 
like this, but for new users it can be overwhelming.

>>> 3. Programming: For my programming I've seen eclipse to be the best, I could
>>> practically code everything in evolution using the plugins, one problem
>>> though - do I get a WYSIWYG plugin/editor for my HTML pages (might be for
>>> the eclipse mailing list but just wnat to see what guys use here)
>>
>> Eclipse is common, but a lot of people here probably program in Vim or Emacs.
>> I can't recommend WYSIWYG for HTML at all. Bluefish is step up from writing
>> HTML in a plain text editor, but isn't really WYSIWYG.
> Guess i'm spoilt, code completion syntax highlighting for the scripting  
> part, and for html I would take some time to make those tables and forms  
> for user entry - id rather use a wysiwyg editor, then go into the html  
> and inject my php into it.

You could try kompozer.  It's in lenny-backports and squeeze.  It's
WYSIWYG.

>>> 5. Any ideas of a GUI mysql client for windows?

OpenOffice Base can run as a client for MySQL.  It has an interface
similar to MS Access.

-Rob


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Re: From console to GUI

[Kelly Clowers]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 07:01, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:40:32 +0200, Jangita wrote:
>>
>> 2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird...
>> good or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider?
>
> I use Thunderbird (here in Debian named "Icedove"). I try to keep a
> prudent distance for Mono apps

Luckily Evolution has nothing to do with Mono. Actually, I don't know
of any email client written in C#.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: googleearth 5.2

[hugo vanwoerkom]

Thierry Chatelet wrote:

On Friday 20 August 2010 16:14:58 hugo vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

Googleearth 5.2 crashes on takeoff. There is a forum for it:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/earth/label?lid=1a67a0611ccf7ed1&hl=e
n

5.1 works ok.

I saw nothing about Debian in the forum, anybody have any luck with 5.2?

Hugo



Google Earth
5.2.1.1329 (beta)
works fine on amd64


I can't get it to work on Lenny and i386, what distribution do you run?

Hugo


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Re: Request to Debian Users

[Jangita]

On 20/08/2010 4:42 p, ROSHAN M wrote:

Hi,


I am Mahesh.M, like to use Debian 5.0 in my computer. I read that Debian
is a Core operating system based on UNIX and also so many Linux
distributions are made with the help of Debian based. I am very much
interested in using Debian Operating System. Can any one help me to get
a copy of Debian 5.0 for a 32 bit computer, please send me one copy to
the address mentioned;


Swamy Nilayam, House No: 243

Tc 27/659, Haritha Nagar,

Thachakudy Line, Ambalathumuku,

Vachiyoor(PO), Trivandrum,

Kerala 695035

India


Thank you,

Mahesh



Hi,

Debian is free for download.
Read here http://www.debian.org/distrib/

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Re: Request to Debian Users

[ROSHAN M]

Hi, 




I am Mahesh.M, like to use Debian 5.0 in my computer. I read
that Debian is a Core operating system based on UNIX and also so many Linux
distributions are made with the help of Debian based.  I am very much 
interested in using Debian
Operating System. Can any one help me to get a copy of Debian 5.0 for a 32 bit
computer, please send me one copy to the address mentioned;




Swamy Nilayam, House No: 243

Tc 27/659, Haritha Nagar, 

Thachakudy Line, Ambalathumuku,

Vachiyoor(PO), Trivandrum,

Kerala 695035

India




Thank you,

Mahesh




  

Re: squeeze install: Gave up waiting for root devices

[brownh]

I found out by trial and error that, although directions don't mention
making the USB-key bootable, I must make its first partition bootable.

Now I can boot the installer. However, when it looks for the ISO,
rather than look for it on the USB-key (/dev/sdb) (or at least I
didn't catch it), it looks for an ISO in the partitions of my target
drive (/dev/sda). Not finding any, the installation fails with
message, "No kernel modules were found".  

The most obvious problem would be that my installer and kernel
versions are incompatible. I rechecked, and made sure I got my debian
6.0 alpha1 installer from
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and my initrd.gz and
vmlinuz files from
http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
. So I do have properly matched versions.  

The problem seems to be that the installer looks for the ISO on my
target (ext3) HD instead of my (FAT) USB-key. While the failure
message is being displayed, I do Alt-F2 to go to a bash shell and do a
ls, it lists the directories on my target HD, sda rather than the
USB-key, sdb. Shouldn't the shell be looking at the USB-key? 

When I issue the mount command, I find that my USB-key, /dev/sdb1, is
mounted on /hd-media type vfat. When I cd to /hdmedia, I find
debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso, initrd.gz, ldlinux.sys, vmlinuz, and 
syslinux.cfg file, which has in it: 

default vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.gz

So the USB-key is mounted, has the right versions of the files, the
syslinux.cfg file has the correct information. Why is the installer
then not picking up the ISO from the key instantly rather than search
for it on the target HD?

Haines Brown


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Re: googleearth 5.2

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Friday 20 August 2010 16:14:58 hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Googleearth 5.2 crashes on takeoff. There is a forum for it:
> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/earth/label?lid=1a67a0611ccf7ed1&hl=e
> n
> 
> 5.1 works ok.
> 
> I saw nothing about Debian in the forum, anybody have any luck with 5.2?
> 
> Hugo


Google Earth
5.2.1.1329 (beta)
works fine on amd64
Thierry


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googleearth 5.2

[hugo vanwoerkom]

Hi,

Googleearth 5.2 crashes on takeoff. There is a forum for it:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/earth/label?lid=1a67a0611ccf7ed1&hl=en

5.1 works ok.

I saw nothing about Debian in the forum, anybody have any luck with 5.2?

Hugo


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Re: gcc: A while Loop Always Skips its first Statement.

[Jangita]

On 20/08/2010 3:43 p, Martin McCormick wrote:

Jangita writes:

Not a question for this list but


Sorry.



1. Is there any statement in the while loop that changes NEXTSYS? (or
better still, send any statement that has NEXTSYS in it while inside the
loop)

Yes! I didn't even think about that but there is a test inside
that loop whose result turns NEXTSYS off. I am not in front of
the program, but that has got to be the problem. Many thanks.

Martin


Happens to all of us (especially after hours of coding). No worries. 
Good luck.


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Re: From console to GUI

[Jangita]

On 20/08/2010 3:36 p, Kelly Clowers wrote:

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 05:40, Jangita  wrote:

Hello Good people,

I have been an avid user of debian linux, but for server and backend systems
(apache/mysql/kannel and the likes), and I develop all my software from my
windows laptop (dreamweaver, delphi, sqlyog - mysql client) etc etc

I have been poking around a little bit to now move my laptop to debian;
Since I've done alot of work with servers on debian, i do know my way around
as per drivers, apt, and debian as a whole, but purely console - but I suck
at GUI; so I would like to know what combinations of software would let me
continue working as I did on my laptop, but on debian

Questions are (without starting a "which is the best" war...)

1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?


Gnome is great. So is KDE. Some like lightweight alternatives, like LXDE,
or just a Window Manager without a Desktop Environment. I'd start with
Gnome or KDE, then try the other (give each at least a month, I would say).
Then if you feel like it, try some other the other options.

You lost be at the "Windows Manager without a Desktop Environment bit" 
Gnome it is.



2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird... good
or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider?


TB is good, and I believe Evo is good these days. If you use KDE, KMail could
be OK, but it will be better once it is fully utilizing the KDE4
frameworks, and
debugged on them, but that will be a while yet.


TB it is



3. Programming: For my programming I've seen eclipse to be the best, I could
practically code everything in evolution using the plugins, one problem
though - do I get a WYSIWYG plugin/editor for my HTML pages (might be for
the eclipse mailing list but just wnat to see what guys use here)


Eclipse is common, but a lot of people here probably program in Vim or Emacs.
I can't recommend WYSIWYG for HTML at all. Bluefish is step up from writing
HTML in a plain text editor, but isn't really WYSIWYG.
Guess i'm spoilt, code completion syntax highlighting for the scripting 
part, and for html I would take some time to make those tables and forms 
for user entry - id rather use a wysiwyg editor, then go into the html 
and inject my php into it.



4. Delphi ->  FPC
5. Any ideas of a GUI mysql client for windows?


dunno


6. I forgot to mention my chat applications (skype, msn, yahoo, google talk)
- any recommended clients that support features in the original versions?
(I've only found skype)


Pidgin is the most common. Gnome's Empathy is very cool, but less feature
complete at this time. Personally, I like to use Psi, or some other
XMPP (Jabber)
client, and use the server-side transports to connect to the legacy
protocols like
MSN and Yahoo.


7. Office Suite - I'll go for openoffice (any better alternatives?)


Not really, for a full suite. KOffice is still struggling too get back to
where it was before the 2.0 rewrite (not enough man power).

Gnumeric and Abiword are ok for a lightweight spreadsheet and
word processor respectively.



8. Any alternative for adobe fireworks?


Isn't that just Photoshop for the web? Then Gimp. Or does it do Flash
and AIR and nasty things like that as well? Then there is no equivalent.


Gimp looks ok; can Gimp do print quality (high dpi and crazy formats)?


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers



Thanks

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Re: From console to GUI

[hugo vanwoerkom]

Jangita wrote:

Hello Good people,

I have been an avid user of debian linux, but for server and backend 
systems (apache/mysql/kannel and the likes), and I develop all my 
software from my windows laptop (dreamweaver, delphi, sqlyog - mysql 
client) etc etc


I have been poking around a little bit to now move my laptop to debian; 
Since I've done alot of work with servers on debian, i do know my way 
around as per drivers, apt, and debian as a whole, but purely console - 
but I suck at GUI; so I would like to know what combinations of software 
would let me continue working as I did on my laptop, but on debian


Questions are (without starting a "which is the best" war...)

1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?


Too many notes. Although I have gnome on my laptop that is because you 
get it as default with a d-i lenny install, I prefer fvwm: you get what 
you code and no more



2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird... 


thunderbird


good or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider?
3. Programming: For my programming I've seen eclipse to be the best, I 
could practically code everything in evolution using the plugins, one 
problem though - do I get a WYSIWYG plugin/editor for my HTML pages 
(might be for the eclipse mailing list but just wnat to see what guys 
use here)


Qt and mc as editor in a VT


4. Delphi -> FPC
5. Any ideas of a GUI mysql client for windows?


Never since 1993 use windows anymore: too many $$$ and too insecure

6. I forgot to mention my chat applications (skype, msn, yahoo, google 
talk) - any recommended clients that support features in the original 
versions? (I've only found skype)


no chat, no skype, but TB and gmane to talk to LDU


7. Office Suite - I'll go for openoffice (any better alternatives?)


oo


8. Any alternative for adobe fireworks?

and i'll have a teeny weeeny partition like 10% of my hdd for playing my 
windows games and cases where there is just no unix alternative (Orbiter!!)


Thanks! Looking forward for the big format.




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Re: From console to GUI

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:40:32 +0200, Jangita wrote:

(...)

> Questions are (without starting a "which is the best" war...)
> 
> 1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?

I now use GNOME. I "used" KDE 3.x branch which I liked *a lot*, but 
switched to GNOME as soon as KDE4 entered into scene.

> 2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird...
> good or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider? 

I use Thunderbird (here in Debian named "Icedove"). I try to keep a 
prudent distance for Mono apps (despite licensing/patents/IP issues, I 
find Mono based applications to be a bit slow), and Thunderbird is more 
plataform independent. Another Thunderbird advantadge is that has quite 
good support for html e-mails while other MUA fail at this point.

> 3. Programming: For my programming I've seen eclipse to be the best, I
> could practically code everything in evolution using the plugins, one
> problem though - do I get a WYSIWYG plugin/editor for my HTML pages
> (might be for the eclipse mailing list but just wnat to see what guys
> use here)

You'll have a problem here :-)

There are some html wysiwyg editors but compared to their windows 
counterparts they are a bit feature-lacking.

Wikipedia uses to have updated information on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_HTML_editors

> 5. Any ideas of a GUI mysql client for windows? 

For windows? The best GUI I found for managing MySQL bdd/tables is 
Navicat (another option could be SQuirrel SQL -java based-).

> 6. I forgot to mention
> my chat applications (skype, msn, yahoo, google talk) - any recommended
> clients that support features in the original versions? (I've only found
> skype)

Ekiga is a VoIP application and for chatting/IM there are multi-protocol 
utilities like Pidging.

> 7. Office Suite - I'll go for openoffice (any better alternatives?) 

I guess no.

> 8. Any alternative for adobe fireworks?

GIMP :-)
 
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Re: Icedove trash icon appears only after trash is emptied

[Elmer E. Dow]

Camaleón wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:20:55 -0500, Elmer E. Dow wrote:

  

Icedove's trash icon disappears when I reboot. It reappears only after
doing File -> Empty Trash.  This is a recent occurrence.

How do I fix this? I'd like to have the icon visible so I can retrieve a
discarded file if necessary.

I'm using Lenny with FluxBox on an IBM R40 laptop.



Try to recreate the Trash folder by moving or renaming (do not delete) 
these files and restarting Icedove:


~/.mozilla-thunderbird/profile.default/Mail/Local Folders/Trash
~/.mozilla-thunderbird/profile.default/Mail/Local Folders/Trash.msf

Before doing it, just check the current Trash folder is empty (contains 
no data).


Greetings,

  
I renamed those files Trashold and Trashold.msf, then restarted Icedove. 
Still no Trash icon in Icedove, but it did recreate the Trash and 
Trash.msf files in the Local Folders directory.  I rebooted, still no 
change. What should I try now?


By the way, instead of profile.default I have e3x3er35.default.


Elmer


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Re: gcc: A while Loop Always Skips its first Statement.

[Martin McCormick]

Jangita writes:
> Not a question for this list but

Sorry.

> 
> 1. Is there any statement in the while loop that changes NEXTSYS? (or
> better still, send any statement that has NEXTSYS in it while inside the
> loop)
Yes! I didn't even think about that but there is a test inside
that loop whose result turns NEXTSYS off. I am not in front of
the program, but that has got to be the problem. Many thanks.

Martin


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Re: gcc: A while Loop Always Skips its first Statement.

[hugo vanwoerkom]

Martin McCormick wrote:

I have written some C code that appeared to be good until I put
a while statement in to one of the modules and then all went to
at least Purgatory. It all compiles beautifully but I was
alerted to something terribly wrong when the program began
misbehaving. I can't even say that it is flaky because it does
exactly the same wrong things every time without fail.

There is a variable I call NEXTSYS which is boolean and
my while statement now looks like:

while (NEXTSYS) { /*code to execute if NEXTSYS does not = 0*/
C statements (It doesn't seem to matter what statements);
} /*code to execute if NEXTSYS does not = 0*/

What happens every time is that gdb traces perfectly up
to the while statement, skips it, and executes the statements
inside the braces. After that, it is in the while loop and
execution looks normal but the damage is already done. I have
also seen it trace the wile statement and then skip the next
executable statement in the loop no matter what it is.

Reading about the while loop tells me that the statement
after while must be true to execute. If I put a boolean variable
inside the statement as in (NEXTSYS) does that make a true
statement if it is not 0 and false if it is?

Thanks for any constructive answers.


I'd rather do it in code and use caps for compiler defines and lower 
case for program variables. Also I prefer to use C++ because it debugs 
better and I don't use gdb because it is too fine grained but rather use 
printf statements, like this:


#define NEXTSYS 1
#include 


int main( int argc, char **argv, char **envp )
{
int count = 0;
while ( NEXTSYS ) {
printf("Inside the while loop, count = %d (%d)\n",count,__LINE__);
count++;
if ( count > 10 )
break;
}
printf("Outside of the while loop, count = %d (%d)\n",count,__LINE__);
return 0;
}


and running it:


h...@debian:/sda7/hda10/backup.files/fromhd/home/hugo/gpc-qt4-002$ 
./do_martin

Inside the while loop, count = 0 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 1 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 2 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 3 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 4 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 5 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 6 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 7 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 8 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 9 (9)
Inside the while loop, count = 10 (9)
Outside of the while loop, count = 11 (14)




Hugo








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Re: Mastering Emotional Intelligence for Corporate Advantage

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Raid alignment query.

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 Can you help ?  I'm running Parted in debian lenny  v1.8.8.  I want to 
install vis 2.3-1 from Squeeze.  How do I do it ?


http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/parted
http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/parted

I want to try running parted /dev/sdb align-check optimal 1, but the 
setting isn't there in my version.


cheers
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Re: gcc: A while Loop Always Skips its first Statement.

[Martin McCormick]

Jangita writes:
> Not a question for this list but

Sorry.

> 
> 1. Is there any statement in the while loop that changes NEXTSYS? (or
> better still, send any statement that has NEXTSYS in it while inside the
> loop)
Yes! I didn't even think about that but there is a test inside
that loop whose result turns NEXTSYS off. I am not in front of
the program, but that has got to be the problem. Many thanks.

Martin


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Re: Fwd: How to flag packages as manually installed?

[Robert Parker]

2010/8/20 Jörg-Volker Peetz :
>  apt-mark unmarkauto 


Thanks for that. This app will do exactly what I need.

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Re: gcc: A while Loop Always Skips its first Statement.

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2010-08-20 08:01:46 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:
[...]
>   Reading about the while loop tells me that the statement

Actually, that's an expression, not a statement.

> after while must be true to execute. If I put a boolean variable
> inside the statement as in (NEXTSYS) does that make a true
> statement if it is not 0 and false if it is?

There's a 3rd possibility: you have an undefined behavior, e.g.
because the expression uses an uninitialized value, in which case
the compiler can assume anything, and debugging with gdb wouldn't
necessarily help.

Just in case, compile with -Wall, and -O0 if you want to use gdb.

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Re: From console to GUI

[Kelly Clowers]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 05:40, Jangita  wrote:
> Hello Good people,
>
> I have been an avid user of debian linux, but for server and backend systems
> (apache/mysql/kannel and the likes), and I develop all my software from my
> windows laptop (dreamweaver, delphi, sqlyog - mysql client) etc etc
>
> I have been poking around a little bit to now move my laptop to debian;
> Since I've done alot of work with servers on debian, i do know my way around
> as per drivers, apt, and debian as a whole, but purely console - but I suck
> at GUI; so I would like to know what combinations of software would let me
> continue working as I did on my laptop, but on debian
>
> Questions are (without starting a "which is the best" war...)
>
> 1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?

Gnome is great. So is KDE. Some like lightweight alternatives, like LXDE,
or just a Window Manager without a Desktop Environment. I'd start with
Gnome or KDE, then try the other (give each at least a month, I would say).
Then if you feel like it, try some other the other options.


> 2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird... good
> or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider?

TB is good, and I believe Evo is good these days. If you use KDE, KMail could
be OK, but it will be better once it is fully utilizing the KDE4
frameworks, and
debugged on them, but that will be a while yet.


> 3. Programming: For my programming I've seen eclipse to be the best, I could
> practically code everything in evolution using the plugins, one problem
> though - do I get a WYSIWYG plugin/editor for my HTML pages (might be for
> the eclipse mailing list but just wnat to see what guys use here)

Eclipse is common, but a lot of people here probably program in Vim or Emacs.
I can't recommend WYSIWYG for HTML at all. Bluefish is step up from writing
HTML in a plain text editor, but isn't really WYSIWYG.

> 4. Delphi -> FPC
> 5. Any ideas of a GUI mysql client for windows?

dunno

> 6. I forgot to mention my chat applications (skype, msn, yahoo, google talk)
> - any recommended clients that support features in the original versions?
> (I've only found skype)

Pidgin is the most common. Gnome's Empathy is very cool, but less feature
complete at this time. Personally, I like to use Psi, or some other
XMPP (Jabber)
client, and use the server-side transports to connect to the legacy
protocols like
MSN and Yahoo.

> 7. Office Suite - I'll go for openoffice (any better alternatives?)

Not really, for a full suite. KOffice is still struggling too get back to
where it was before the 2.0 rewrite (not enough man power).

Gnumeric and Abiword are ok for a lightweight spreadsheet and
word processor respectively.


> 8. Any alternative for adobe fireworks?

Isn't that just Photoshop for the web? Then Gimp. Or does it do Flash
and AIR and nasty things like that as well? Then there is no equivalent.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: gcc: A while Loop Always Skips its first Statement.

[Ron Johnson]

On 08/20/2010 08:01 AM, Martin McCormick wrote:

I have written some C code that appeared to be good until I put
a while statement in to one of the modules and then all went to
at least Purgatory. It all compiles beautifully but I was
alerted to something terribly wrong when the program began
misbehaving. I can't even say that it is flaky because it does
exactly the same wrong things every time without fail.

There is a variable I call NEXTSYS which is boolean and
my while statement now looks like:

while (NEXTSYS) { /*code to execute if NEXTSYS does not = 0*/
C statements (It doesn't seem to matter what statements);
} /*code to execute if NEXTSYS does not = 0*/

What happens every time is that gdb traces perfectly up
to the while statement, skips it, and executes the statements
inside the braces. After that, it is in the while loop and
execution looks normal but the damage is already done. I have
also seen it trace the wile statement and then skip the next
executable statement in the loop no matter what it is.

Reading about the while loop tells me that the statement
after while must be true to execute. If I put a boolean variable
inside the statement as in (NEXTSYS) does that make a true
statement if it is not 0 and false if it is?



What happens when you Google "C true false" or write a test program 
that does:


while ( 1 == 1 )
{
blah
}

while ( 1 )
{
blah
}

while ( 0 )
{
blah
}


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Re: gcc: A while Loop Always Skips its first Statement.

[Jangita]

On 20/08/2010 3:01 p, Martin McCormick wrote:

I have written some C code that appeared to be good until I put
a while statement in to one of the modules and then all went to
at least Purgatory. It all compiles beautifully but I was
alerted to something terribly wrong when the program began
misbehaving. I can't even say that it is flaky because it does
exactly the same wrong things every time without fail.

There is a variable I call NEXTSYS which is boolean and
my while statement now looks like:

while (NEXTSYS) { /*code to execute if NEXTSYS does not = 0*/
C statements (It doesn't seem to matter what statements);
} /*code to execute if NEXTSYS does not = 0*/

What happens every time is that gdb traces perfectly up
to the while statement, skips it, and executes the statements
inside the braces. After that, it is in the while loop and
execution looks normal but the damage is already done. I have
also seen it trace the wile statement and then skip the next
executable statement in the loop no matter what it is.

Reading about the while loop tells me that the statement
after while must be true to execute. If I put a boolean variable
inside the statement as in (NEXTSYS) does that make a true
statement if it is not 0 and false if it is?

Thanks for any constructive answers.
Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group



Not a question for this list but
1. Is there any statement in the while loop that changes NEXTSYS? (or 
better still, send any statement that has NEXTSYS in it while inside the 
loop)

2. Is there any statement *before* the while loop that initializes NEXTSYS

Maybe try printing the value of NEXTSYS before the loop and once while 
into the loop?

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Re: Installation of Debian

[Jangita]

On 20/08/2010 1:28 a, GIE KALIFA COULIBALY wrote:





I am new to debian, and I don't have an OS installed on my hard drive
yet. I was wondering if a finished debian Cd/DVD would boot off and do
the installation at the start up of the computer.I would like to have
debian as my main OS. I have a HP pavilon elite m9250f core 2 quad
2.66ghz 4GB, 2.0 x 500.0 GB - Standard - Serial ATA-300 - 7200.0 rpm HDD.


You say you have no OS installed on your hard drive so have no fear my 
friend; download (with another computer) and burn the cd/dvd of your 
choice, i'd go for the DVD1 if you have suffecient bandwidth, pop it in 
and boot from it and follow the instructions...

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gcc: A while Loop Always Skips its first Statement.

[Martin McCormick]

I have written some C code that appeared to be good until I put
a while statement in to one of the modules and then all went to
at least Purgatory. It all compiles beautifully but I was
alerted to something terribly wrong when the program began
misbehaving. I can't even say that it is flaky because it does
exactly the same wrong things every time without fail.

There is a variable I call NEXTSYS which is boolean and
my while statement now looks like:

while (NEXTSYS) { /*code to execute if NEXTSYS does not = 0*/
C statements (It doesn't seem to matter what statements);
} /*code to execute if NEXTSYS does not = 0*/

What happens every time is that gdb traces perfectly up
to the while statement, skips it, and executes the statements
inside the braces. After that, it is in the while loop and
execution looks normal but the damage is already done. I have
also seen it trace the wile statement and then skip the next
executable statement in the loop no matter what it is.

Reading about the while loop tells me that the statement
after while must be true to execute. If I put a boolean variable
inside the statement as in (NEXTSYS) does that make a true
statement if it is not 0 and false if it is?

Thanks for any constructive answers.
Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
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Re: Nouveau Kernel Module

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-08-20 02:49 +0200, Mark Allums wrote:

> On 8/19/2010 4:25 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2010-08-19 10:25 +0200, David Baron wrote:
>>
>>> Kernels 2.6.33 and on apparently do support Nouveau. I see no option offered
>>> in make menuconfig to compile the module.
>>>
>>> How do I get it ?
>>
>> Device Drivers ->  Staging drivers ->  Nouveau (nVidia) cards
>
> Staging drivers?  So it's not a fully fledged driver, after all.

It is, feature- and qualitywise.

> Still in the development category.

The reason why nouveau is still in staging is that the ABI is not stable
yet and that it may break userspace from one kernel version to the next,
something which is not acceptable for regular drivers.  For instance,
the nouveau developers broke compatibility back and forth between 2.6.33
and 2.6.34, and you have to upgrade the kernel, libdrm and the nouveau
DDX driver in lock-step.

For the Debian packages that means you can use
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from squeeze/sid with the kernel from
squeeze/sid (or self-compiled 2.6.33), and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
with the kernel from experimental (or self-compiled 2.6.34 and newer).
Other combinations will not work.  Yes, this sucks.

Sven


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From console to GUI

[Jangita]

Hello Good people,

I have been an avid user of debian linux, but for server and backend 
systems (apache/mysql/kannel and the likes), and I develop all my 
software from my windows laptop (dreamweaver, delphi, sqlyog - mysql 
client) etc etc


I have been poking around a little bit to now move my laptop to debian; 
Since I've done alot of work with servers on debian, i do know my way 
around as per drivers, apt, and debian as a whole, but purely console - 
but I suck at GUI; so I would like to know what combinations of software 
would let me continue working as I did on my laptop, but on debian


Questions are (without starting a "which is the best" war...)

1. For GUI: I've chosen GNome, any reason why I should choose otherwise?
2. Email:  I've seen evolution, but I'm leaning towards thunderbird... 
good or bad choice? any other email clients I should consider?
3. Programming: For my programming I've seen eclipse to be the best, I 
could practically code everything in evolution using the plugins, one 
problem though - do I get a WYSIWYG plugin/editor for my HTML pages 
(might be for the eclipse mailing list but just wnat to see what guys 
use here)

4. Delphi -> FPC
5. Any ideas of a GUI mysql client for windows?
6. I forgot to mention my chat applications (skype, msn, yahoo, google 
talk) - any recommended clients that support features in the original 
versions? (I've only found skype)

7. Office Suite - I'll go for openoffice (any better alternatives?)
8. Any alternative for adobe fireworks?

and i'll have a teeny weeeny partition like 10% of my hdd for playing my 
windows games and cases where there is just no unix alternative (Orbiter!!)


Thanks! Looking forward for the big format.

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Re: Any package instillation breaks libraries.

[jeremy jozwik]

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:32 AM, jeremy jozwik  wrote:
this is still happening.
ive narrowed it down to something within /etc /lib /lib32  or /lib64
so its not going bad from within the /usr directory.

the only instillations made this run were the recommended updates from
update manager.

# gedit /var/log/apt/term.log

Log started: 2010-08-19  06:43:21
(Reading database ... 148852 files and directories currently installed.)

Preparing to replace ghostscript 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny4 (using
.../ghostscript_8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5_amd64.deb) ...

Cleaning up font configuration of gs...

Cleaning up category psprint..

Cleaning up category cmap..

Cleaning up category cid..

Cleaning up category truetype..

Cleaning up category gsfontderivative..

Cleaning up category type3..

Cleaning up category type1..

Unpacking replacement ghostscript ...

Preparing to replace libgs8 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny4 (using
.../libgs8_8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5_amd64.deb) ...

Unpacking replacement libgs8 ...

Preparing to replace gs-common 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny4 (using
.../gs-common_8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5_all.deb) ...

Unpacking replacement gs-common ...

Preparing to replace ghostscript-x 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny4 (using
.../ghostscript-x_8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5_amd64.deb) ...

Unpacking replacement ghostscript-x ...

Preparing to replace gs 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny4 (using
.../gs_8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5_all.deb) ...

Unpacking replacement gs ...

Processing triggers for man-db ...

Setting up libgs8 (8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5) ...

Setting up gs-common (8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5) ...

Setting up ghostscript (8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5) ...

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.

perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

LANGUAGE = (unset),

LC_ALL = (unset),

LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"

are supported and installed on your system.

perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.

perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

LANGUAGE = (unset),

LC_ALL = (unset),

LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"

are supported and installed on your system.

perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.

perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

LANGUAGE = (unset),

LC_ALL = (unset),

LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"

are supported and installed on your system.

perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.

perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

LANGUAGE = (unset),

LC_ALL = (unset),

LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"

are supported and installed on your system.

perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.

perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

LANGUAGE = (unset),

LC_ALL = (unset),

LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"

are supported and installed on your system.

perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").

Updating font configuration of gs...

Cleaning up category psprint..

Cleaning up category cmap..

Cleaning up category cid..

Cleaning up category truetype..

Cleaning up category gsfontderivative..

Cleaning up category type3..

Cleaning up category type1..

Updating category type1..

Updating category type3..

Updating category gsfontderivative..

Updating category truetype..

Updating category cid..

Updating category cmap..

Updating category psprint..

No CIDSupplement specified for BousungEG-Light-GB, defaulting to 0.

No CIDSupplement specified for Headline-Regular, defaulting to 0.

No CIDSupplement specified for UMingCN, defaulting to 0.

No CIDSupplement specified for Dotum-Regular, defaulting to 0.

No CIDSupplement specified for ShanHeiSun-Light, defaulting to 0.

No CIDSupplement specified for UKaiCN, defaulting to 0.

No CIDSupplement specified for Gulim-Regular, defaulting to 0.

No CIDSupplement specified for Batang-Regular, defaulting to 0.

No CIDSupplement specified for ZenKai-Medium, defaulting to 0.

Setting up ghostscript-x (8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5) ...

Setting up gs (8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny5) ...

Log ended: 2010-08-19  06:44:43

i do still have a network connection, www.google.com and
ftp.us.debian.org are still ping-able but the gnome weather report and
iceweasel cannot be used for internet activities.


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Re: Fwd: How to flag packages as manually installed?

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

  apt-mark unmarkauto 
or
  aptitude unmarkauto 
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Re: Unidentified subject!

[Michal]

On 20/08/10 00:25, GIE KALIFA COULIBALY wrote:
I am new to debian, and I don't have an OS installed on my hard drive 
yet. I was wondering if a finished debian Cd/DVD would boot off and do 
the installation at the start up of the computer.I would like to have 
debian as my main OS. I have a HP pavilon elite m9250f core 2 quad 
2.66ghz 4GB, 2.0 x 500.0 GB - Standard - Serial ATA-300 - 7200.0 rpm HDD.


Are you asking if it's a bootable CD? Yes. If your having problems that 
are not debian related however you should seak help else where, maybe a 
general computer problem forum. We try and keep this to not general 
computer problems

Re: 2.34 Kernel Won't Boot

[Stan Hoeppner]

David Baron put forth on 8/20/2010 2:04 AM:
> I built this kernel for first time with new PATA rather than the old 
> deprecated drivers. These are compiled-in, no initrd. Get cannot find block 
> error, [2,22] or something like that.
> 
> Possibilities:
> 1. Need to compile in VIA's driver as well. Not doing this prevented DMA 
> access using  deprecated drivers a while back. I am doing this kernel for a 
> new MB, not VIA chipset. Module is built.
> 
> 2. New drivers assign different dev names. Need to change to newer name 
> scheme 
> in lilo.conf. If so, this will wait for new machine since this will render 
> older kernel builds unusable. Current MB is an older IDE-based machine. The 
> new MB will be SATA but has an IDE as well (and there are those adapters that 
> plug in to the old disks to make them work like SATA).
> 
> 3. Do not use 2.6.34. Has apparently been abandoned?
> 
> Can anyone tell me what to do? (I hope the older kernels will boot on the new 
> MB.) Thanks in advance.

It would help tremendously if you told us exactly which IDE chip(s) you have,
or your exact motherboard make/model#.

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Re: disable sleep mode hdd usb

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:40:39 +0200, Tabano wrote:

> Tabano wrote:
>  >  I want disable the sleep mode in my external hdd usb forever when
> start Debian.
>  >
>  >
>  >
> First, thanks to everybody.
> 
> 
> Debian Sid. Updated from Squeeze.
> 
> 
> hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda1
> 
> /dev/sda1:
>   setting Advanced Power Management level to disabled HDIO_DRIVE_CMD
>   failed: Invalid exchange HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid
>   exchange

Maybe the USB enclousure disallows this information to be passed to the 
disk. You can attach the drive directly to a sata/ide host controller and 
issue the "hdparm" command from there. Then, put the disk back into the 
USB case.

> Impossible ??

May I ask why you need to get this done? What problem are you 
experiencing with sleep mode? I'm just curious :-?

> In Windows, the sofware xspeed is the solution (eternally read/write in
> hdd).

Continously performing random/untargeted operations on the drive may 
gratuitously short the hard disk live :-/

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2.34 Kernel Won't Boot

[David Baron]

I built this kernel for first time with new PATA rather than the old 
deprecated drivers. These are compiled-in, no initrd. Get cannot find block 
error, [2,22] or something like that.

Possibilities:
1. Need to compile in VIA's driver as well. Not doing this prevented DMA 
access using  deprecated drivers a while back. I am doing this kernel for a 
new MB, not VIA chipset. Module is built.

2. New drivers assign different dev names. Need to change to newer name scheme 
in lilo.conf. If so, this will wait for new machine since this will render 
older kernel builds unusable. Current MB is an older IDE-based machine. The 
new MB will be SATA but has an IDE as well (and there are those adapters that 
plug in to the old disks to make them work like SATA).

3. Do not use 2.6.34. Has apparently been abandoned?

Can anyone tell me what to do? (I hope the older kernels will boot on the new 
MB.) Thanks in advance.


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Re: Installation of Debian

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:28:00 +, GIE KALIFA COULIBALY wrote:

> I am new to debian, and I don't have an OS installed on my hard drive
> yet. I was wondering if a finished debian Cd/DVD would boot off and do
> the installation at the start up of the computer.I would like to have
> debian as my main OS. I have a HP pavilon elite m9250f core 2 quad
> 2.66ghz 4GB, 2.0 x 500.0 GB - Standard - Serial ATA-300 - 7200.0 rpm
> HDD.

If in doubt, you can first launch Debian from the LiveCD and test your 
computer from there:

http://live.debian.net/

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Re: Icedove trash icon appears only after trash is emptied

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:20:55 -0500, Elmer E. Dow wrote:

> Icedove's trash icon disappears when I reboot. It reappears only after
> doing File -> Empty Trash.  This is a recent occurrence.
> 
> How do I fix this? I'd like to have the icon visible so I can retrieve a
> discarded file if necessary.
> 
> I'm using Lenny with FluxBox on an IBM R40 laptop.

Try to recreate the Trash folder by moving or renaming (do not delete) 
these files and restarting Icedove:

~/.mozilla-thunderbird/profile.default/Mail/Local Folders/Trash
~/.mozilla-thunderbird/profile.default/Mail/Local Folders/Trash.msf

Before doing it, just check the current Trash folder is empty (contains 
no data).

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