Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?
S Mathias wrote: > perfect! thank you Oliver Grawert! :) made my day :) it's working! : > > ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& > /dev/null || echo "no internet connection" The ping documentation says: -c count Stop after sending count ECHO_REQUEST packets. With deadline option, ping waits for count ECHO_REPLY packets, until the timeout expires. -w deadline Specify a timeout, in seconds, before ping exits regardless of how many packets have been sent or received. In this case ping does not stop after count packet are sent, it waits either for deadline expire or until count probes are answered or for some error notification from network. [...] If ping does not receive any reply packets at all it will exit with code 1. If a packet count and deadline are both specified, and fewer than count packets are received by the time the deadline has arrived, it will also exit with code 1. On other error it exits with code 2. Otherwise it exits with code 0. This makes it possible to use the exit code to see if a host is alive or not. Therefore I think the correct way to use the return code of ping is to specify both -c and -w options. I don't think you need the -W option. $ ping -c 4 -w 4 google.com &> /dev/null && ping -c 4 -w 4 www.yahoo.com &> /dev/null || echo "no internet connection" Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?
S Mathias wrote: > $ true && true || echo hi Both true commands invoked. This satisfied the left hand side of the or and so echo was not invoked. > $ true && false || echo hi > hi Both true and false invoked, and then the echo. > $ false && true || echo hi > hi Only the first false invoked, and then the echo. > $ false && false || echo hi > hi Only the first false invoked, and then the echo. > $ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep -q "100% packet loss" && ping > -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep -q "100% packet loss" || echo "no > internet connection" > no internet connection Only the first ping|grep invoked. This returned false. The grep did not match and therefore did not return success. The grep returned a failure that it did not match. I think that is not what you expected. Since the network connection was up and online the grep 100% failed and returned false. This is exactly the same as you had tested above: > $ false && false || echo hi > hi Exactly the same and so exactly the same result. > $ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" $ echo $? 1 > $ ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" > $ $ echo $? 1 > ...both sides "false", because they have no output, because google.com and > www.yahoo.com is reachable. > how come it writes "no internet connection"? [at the longest line] The first test is false and so the OR side with the echo is invoked. Note that the second ping|grep is not invoked. Only the first one. Being false the OR side is invoked next. > i just want a "oneliner" that checks if theres "internet connection" or no. :\ You would need to invert the grep exit code. But not using grep as you found in your later post is a better solution. > where did I screw up? 8) You used ">& /dev/null" to redirect both stdout and stderr to /dev/null. This means that there isn't any input to grep and therefore grep can never succeed with a match. Side Note: You are using ">& word" which is not typical. The manual states that using "&> word" is preferred over ">& word". I believe this to reduce confusion over the "2>&1" syntax. When in doubt follow the documentation. Personally I never use that bash specific syntax and stick with the standard ">/dev/null 2>&1" syntax. And if the standard syntax had been used in this case I think it would have made the issue obvious at a glance. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: need motherboard recommendation
On Sunday 26 December 2010 06:46 pm, Russell L. Harris wrote: > * Mark Neidorff [101226 22:56]: > > Well OK. So, this seems to me to be a memory problem. I'm guessing the > > video ram. Whatever memory the 80X25 mode is mapping into has become > > flaky. When you start X, you are using different memory, so no problem. > > Why didn't ASUS solve the problem? dunno. Perhaps, once the MB booted > > into whatever they tested with (X, MS-Win, whatever), the problem isn't > > apparent. Their bad. Also, the problem does not seem to affect the > > operation of the MB once it is booted. So, how much worse is this than > > annoying? > > Thanks, Mark. Your diagnosis makes sense. > > If the problem indeed is in the video ram, am I correct in assuming > that I should have no great concern regarding data integrity in the > other systems of the motherboard? > You are correct. The system boots into X correctly and runs correctly. So, it is working correctly. You've got a non-fatal glitch in the memory that the PC doesn't use when it runs. > The only other possibility which occurred to me is that the difference > in temperature or humidity between the Asus US service facility and my > location may have caused the symptom to disappear and reappear. > Yes, you seem to be in a tropical area. Perhaps an extreme tropical area. Extreme heat/humidity will make things behave in unusual ways as you already know. This doesn't necessarily point to a generic flaw from the manufacturer. The unit you have could be on the edge of tolerance and your extreme conditions pushes it over. You are lucky that it only affects the boot video. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012261927.23872.m...@neidorff.com
Re: need motherboard recommendation
* Hugo Vanwoerkom [101226 22:56]: > No Asus? Too bad. I really like my Asus M4N98TD EVO. First mobo I bought > that worked out-of-the-box. Hi, Hugo, Thanks for the recommendation. I suppose that I should look again at Asus, now that Squeeze has X working on the M3A78-T. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101227002856.gc3...@rlharris.org
Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?
S Mathias wrote: > ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" > ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" > both sides "false", because they have no output, because google.com > and www.yahoo.com is reachable. Or because your local system is so offline that it's got no way of resolving those names to IP addresses. I'd recommend you turn your pattern match around to look for any sort of success, rather than one specific instance of failure. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/mc1lu7xmlr@news.roaima.co.uk
Re: need motherboard recommendation
* Doug [101226 22:56]: > Maybe it's time to buy tantalum capacitors. More expensive, > slightly smaller, and (I believe) less likely to blow up. Available > with parallel wires or in surface mount configurations. Military > equipment has been using tantalum caps for years, so they must be > reliable. Tantalums are good, but manufacturers consider them a little too expensive for mass-produced motherboards. Tantalums are valuable when you need high capacitance in a high-frequency application; the capacitance of electrolytic diminishes rapidly with increasing frequency. This is why you often see two or more capacitors in parallel; typically a tiny, low-value ceramic (which has excellent high-frequency performance) is paralleled with a high-value electrolytic -- and the combination still is less expensive than a single tantalum. You can make almost anything explode (that is, fragment) if you apply enough voltage and current. Years ago I had several clones of the LM317 three-terminal regulator explode when the output was shorted; this despite the fact that the data sheet claims that the device withstands a short of infinite duration. I phoned National Semiconductor and it was Bob Pease who picked up the telephone. I began by saying, "I have some LM317s manufactured by one of your competitors..." But before I could say another word, Bob interrupted to ask, "Was anyone hurt when they exploded?" Bob went on to say that National short-circuit tested every LM317, and "the ones that explode don't get shipped." It is episodes such as this that have made Pease a living legend among electrical engineers. But even if you manage to blow up a tantalum, there is no electrolyte to spill. %%% If I recall correctly, the problem which I cited was caused by manufacturing changes regarding the chemistry of electrolytics. The problem eventually was solved by further manufacturing changes in the chemistry of the electrolytics, but not before a great many short-lived motherboards were manufactured and sold. I remember that Tyan in particular received much bad publicity from the matter, and that some motherboards failed within three to six months of being placed in service. (Something similar happened with alkaline cells when the "get rid of the mercury" mandate came out several years ago. It turns out that mercury reduces gassing, and mercury-free cells gassed so badly that they leaked electrolyte.) Finally, I was in error regarding the P5Q-EM; it employs solid capacitors only in the critical power supply circuitry surrounding the processor; other capacitors on the board are electrolytic. This is typical of the garden-variety motherboards which I see on display at the local electronics emporium. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101227002514.gb3...@rlharris.org
matching udev attribute keys
Hi all,
how do I know that "SerialNumber" is a valid udev key other than
the fact that it is listed in dmesg when the device is plugged in.
I cannot for the life of me get a udev rule for a device to match on
the serial number, even though the number is in the dmesg file.
I know that my rule works because I removed the SerialNumber attribute,
and matched on the KERNEL device only, which worked flawlessly.
I've notice that
sudo udevadm info --query=property --name=/dev/disk/by-label/NAME
produces
ID_SERIAL
ID_SERIAL_SHORT
etc...
none of which seem to match what I find in the rules files, e.g.
SerialNumber.
Can someone bridge the gap ?
How do I ensure that the ATTR keyword I use is something that udev will
really match on ?
Thanks,
Brian
P.S. yes I've tried using ATTRS{ID_SERIAL_SHORT}, etc..., WHICH IS FROM
udevadm info, and nothing other than the kernel device works. However
the information IS showing up in the dmesg output.
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Re: need motherboard recommendation
* Mark Neidorff [101226 22:56]: > Well OK. So, this seems to me to be a memory problem. I'm guessing the > video > ram. Whatever memory the 80X25 mode is mapping into has become flaky. When > you start X, you are using different memory, so no problem. Why didn't ASUS > solve the problem? dunno. Perhaps, once the MB booted into whatever they > tested with (X, MS-Win, whatever), the problem isn't apparent. Their bad. > Also, the problem does not seem to affect the operation of the MB once it is > booted. So, how much worse is this than annoying? Thanks, Mark. Your diagnosis makes sense. If the problem indeed is in the video ram, am I correct in assuming that I should have no great concern regarding data integrity in the other systems of the motherboard? > Of course, you know that you can look at udev and the logs to see > all the boot messages once the PC is in X. Did I miss something? No, I did not know that. I have been running Debian for ten years now, but I never have learned to use the logs. > Now, for something else that just occurred to meAre you using > the same VGA cable when you attach the different monitors to the > different motherboards? Could it be the cable, or are there > instances where the cable works properly? No, each monitor has its own cable. And the lines (horizontal and vertical, red and green) do not appear with any other motherboard which I have attached to these monitors. %%% The only other possibility which occurred to me is that the difference in temperature or humidity between the Asus US service facility and my location may have caused the symptom to disappear and reappear. For example. Years ago a co-worker was puzzled by a dead short between two solder pads on a populated circuit board; he expected to see an open circuit. Several individuals had inspected the board with a magnifying glass, no solder bridge was visible. It turned out that the pads in question were used for a large component which had been soldered by hand. The factory-made board had been flow-soldered and cleaned. But the pads for the large component had not been cleaned after soldering, and the pool of hardened rosin was shorting the pads, despite the fact that, normally, the residue of rosin-core solder is an insulator and does not need to be removed. Cleaning off the rosin cured the problem. Something of the same sort may be happening on the motherboard. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101226234641.ga3...@rlharris.org
Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?
2010/12/26 S Mathias : > $ true && true || echo hi > $ true && false || echo hi > hi > $ false && true || echo hi > hi > $ false && false || echo hi > hi Hi I was trying with this logic of the internet connection checker script. If $ true && true || echo hi <<< All right if $ true && false || echo hi or $ false && true || echo hi or $ false && false || echo hi the connection is broken This my implementation of the checker script: ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com && ping -W 1 -c 4 yahoo.com || echo "The connection is broken" This when the Internet connection is broken: cedua...@madmax:~/workspace/ngl/Debug$ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com && ping -W 1 -c 4 yahoo.com || echo "broken" ping: unknown host google.com broken cedua...@madmax:~/workspace/ngl/Debug$ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com && ping -W 1 -c 4 yahoo.com || echo "broken" ping: unknown host google.com broken cedua...@madmax:~/workspace/ngl/Debug$ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com && ping -W 1 -c 4 yahoo.com || echo "broken" ping: unknown host google.com broken cedua...@madmax:~/workspace/ngl/Debug$ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com && ping -W 1 -c 4 yahoo.com || echo "broken" ping: unknown host google.com broken This when the Internet connection are right cedua...@madmax:~/workspace/ngl/Debug$ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com && ping -W 1 -c 4 yahoo.com || echo "broken" PING google.com (74.125.65.104) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from gx-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.65.104): icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=91.0 ms 64 bytes from gx-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.65.104): icmp_req=2 ttl=55 time=81.5 ms 64 bytes from gx-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.65.104): icmp_req=3 ttl=55 time=85.8 ms 64 bytes from gx-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.65.104): icmp_req=4 ttl=55 time=80.0 ms --- google.com ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3004ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 80.048/84.627/91.077/4.303 ms PING yahoo.com (72.30.2.43) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from ir1.fp.vip.sk1.yahoo.com (72.30.2.43): icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=151 ms 64 bytes from ir1.fp.vip.sk1.yahoo.com (72.30.2.43): icmp_req=2 ttl=53 time=148 ms 64 bytes from ir1.fp.vip.sk1.yahoo.com (72.30.2.43): icmp_req=3 ttl=53 time=145 ms 64 bytes from ir1.fp.vip.sk1.yahoo.com (72.30.2.43): icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=140 ms --- yahoo.com ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3001ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 140.337/146.438/151.636/4.140 ms > $ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep -q "100% packet loss" && ping > -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep -q "100% packet loss" || echo "no > internet connection" > no internet connection > $ > ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" > $ > ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" > $ > > > > ...both sides "false", because they have no output, because google.com and > www.yahoo.com is reachable. > how come it writes "no internet connection"? [at the longest line] > i just want a "oneliner" that checks if theres "internet connection" or no. :\ > > where did i screw up? 8) > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/471466.28989...@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com > > -- ceduard0 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimow1s5wmkyyol6is-zvf443ddls1xvkkews...@mail.gmail.com
whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?
perfect! thank you Oliver Grawert! :) made my day :) it's working! : ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null || echo "no internet connection" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/913669.63663...@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010, S Mathias writes: > $ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep -q "100% packet loss" && ping > -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep -q "100% packet loss" || echo "no > internet connection" > no internet connection > > ...both sides "false", because they have no output, because google.com and > www.yahoo.com is reachable. > how come it writes "no internet connection"? [at the longest line] > i just want a "oneliner" that checks if theres "internet connection" or no. :\ > > where did i screw up? 8) Since both returns false, you should echo "yes", not "no". Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ei94jh0o@alamut.ozu.edu.tr
whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?
$ true && true || echo hi $ true && false || echo hi hi $ false && true || echo hi hi $ false && false || echo hi hi $ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep -q "100% packet loss" && ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep -q "100% packet loss" || echo "no internet connection" no internet connection $ ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" $ ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" $ ...both sides "false", because they have no output, because google.com and www.yahoo.com is reachable. how come it writes "no internet connection"? [at the longest line] i just want a "oneliner" that checks if theres "internet connection" or no. :\ where did i screw up? 8) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/471466.28989...@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: Removing mktmp and diff
On 2010-12-26 22:03 +0100, Slicky Johnson wrote:
> Is it safe to remove these from Squeeze?
>
> $ deborphan
> mktemp
> diff
Yes, those are empty transitional packages in squeeze, so you can safely
remove them.
> # aptitude purge diff mktemp
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> diff{p} mktemp{p}
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 57.3 kB will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Y
> The following ESSENTIAL packages will be REMOVED!
> diff mktemp
>
> WARNING: Performing this action will probably cause your system to
> break! Do NOT continue unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing!
> To continue, type the phrase "I am aware that this is a very bad idea":
You almost surely still have an entry for lenny (or stable) in your
sources.list and are hit by bug #216768¹.
Sven
¹ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=216768
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Removing mktmp and diff
Is it safe to remove these from Squeeze?
$ deborphan
mktemp
diff
$ aptitude why diff
Unable to find a reason to install diff.
aptitude why mktemp
Unable to find a reason to install mktemp.
# aptitude purge diff mktemp
The following packages will be REMOVED:
diff{p} mktemp{p}
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 57.3 kB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Y
The following ESSENTIAL packages will be REMOVED!
diff mktemp
WARNING: Performing this action will probably cause your system to
break! Do NOT continue unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing!
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Re: need motherboard recommendation
On 12/26/2010 11:19 AM, Joe wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:12:17 +
"Russell L. Harris" wrote:
I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I
purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of
video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid
capacitors. (Motherboard life typically is limited by deterioration
of conventional electrolytic capacitors with age and heat.)
With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern of
horizontal and vertical red and green lines with a variety of
monitors, both CRT and LCD. The pattern also is visible in terminal
mode outside of X. Three trips back to Asus did not cure the problem.
With the P5Q-EM, the display goes blank ("out of range" message on the
monitor) when X starts.
I need a recommendation for a reliable desktop motherboard for normal
desktop use (no gaming) with Debian Lenny or Squeeze. My primary
application is writing and typesetting with XEmacs, LaTeX, etc.
I would prefer a motherboard with solid capacitors. I would prefer a
brand other than Asus, and I would lean toward Gigabyte or Intel.
If you recommend a motherboard without integrated graphics, kindly
recommend also a readily-available graphics card.
I've had a Giga GA-MA74GM-S2H for a year now. It hasn't died yet, and
I can't really say more than that. The most exotic stuff I do is gEDA
PCB layout, and I'm not aware of any performance problems. Built-in
sound and graphics, using 1440x900/60, running Sid in 2G RAM.
I'd have thought MB trouble was rare enough that you won't get
statistically useful results. I have run two Asrock (cheap Asus brand)
boards for several years with no trouble, and still have them as I
don't like throwing things out when they still work normally, I just
wanted more power after a few years.
As to capacitors: the only ones I would deliberately avoid are the
surface-mount aluminium types, the silver ones with the black arc on
top to show polarity. I've replaced many hundreds in the last fifteen
years or so, repaired the PCBs as necessary, and repaired and tested
boards after literally thousands of the little beasts have been
replaced by other people. Before they die they distribute electrolyte
over the surrounding PCB, and that stuff eats copper, particularly
plate-throughs. It's also, rather obviously, conductive, and I've seen
a puddle of the stuff draw half an amp from a five-volt rail. I've
never seen a wired capacitor do that kind of thing. The wired ones are
bigger, but there's not much height restriction on a MB.
Maybe it's time to buy tantalum capacitors. More expensive, slightly
smaller,
and (I believe) less likely to blow up. Available with parallel wires or in
surface mount configurations. Military equipment has been using tantalum
caps for years, so they must be reliable. (If anybody from a QA
department is
on line, maybe you'd comment.)
--doug
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[OT] Re: lenny squeeze etc etc
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:30:33AM EST, John Hasler wrote: [..] > I have not seen a movie in more than twenty years and probably never > will see one again. > I find the entire entertainment industry and everyone associated with > it faintly disgusting, and, in any case, like popular music, movies > are 99% boring crap. The ocassional gem (usually a rhinestone) is not > worth sorting through the rest. Not sure about ‘gems’.. but if you have not seen it already, you might have fun watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ahqtLA3ZY&feature=related Quite relevant. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101226193652.gh4...@turki.gavron.org
Re: o/t ipod
ol- Original message - > My son has bought me an ipodtouch for Xmas..Anyone tell me how I can > transfer the music files on his ipod to mine ?..I only have Linux on my > machines but can get access to a Winbox at a neighbours... Hi Ted, i dont know if u use KDE and neither do i know if it was an iPod touch 2G, I assume both in this post. U can use amarok. http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:IPod as u can see from the compatibility list there, it doesnt work our of the box for the newer ones, but there seem to be workarounds as: http://unusedcycles.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/amarok-14-sync-with-ipod-touch-2g-in-linux/ Greets Simon P.S. Gtkpod, as mentioned before, is worth a try too and may be less of a pain to get to run.
Re: o/t ipod
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:32:46 -0800 John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 06:32:34 -0600 > Ted Wager dijo: > > >My son has bought me an ipodtouch for Xmas..Anyone tell me how I can > >transfer the music files on his ipod to mine ?..I only have Linux on > >my machines but can get access to a Winbox at a neighbours... > > I use gtkpod. Works like a champ. You'd have to plug in your son's > iPod first and transfer the files to your computer, then plug your > iPod in and copy them to it off your computer. > > Having said that, I don't have any music that was purchased and might > have DRM stuff. All my music is classical that I ripped myself from my > CD collection. I don't know what gtkpod will do with DRM. Also, my > iPod is several years old, so I don't know if there might be a > problem with newer models. But gtkpod is in the repos, so it'll only > take a couple minutes to give it a shot. > > one thing you need to know about gtkpod. the ipod has to have been formatted for use under windoze. if it's mac formatted it has hfs, or some variation thereof, and gtkpod can't seem to deal with it. FYI. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101226102347.52e60...@windy.deldotd.com
Re: o/t ipod
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 06:32:34 -0600 Ted Wager dijo: >My son has bought me an ipodtouch for Xmas..Anyone tell me how I can >transfer the music files on his ipod to mine ?..I only have Linux on >my machines but can get access to a Winbox at a neighbours... I use gtkpod. Works like a champ. You'd have to plug in your son's iPod first and transfer the files to your computer, then plug your iPod in and copy them to it off your computer. Having said that, I don't have any music that was purchased and might have DRM stuff. All my music is classical that I ripped myself from my CD collection. I don't know what gtkpod will do with DRM. Also, my iPod is several years old, so I don't know if there might be a problem with newer models. But gtkpod is in the repos, so it'll only take a couple minutes to give it a shot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101226093246.6b1e3...@mailhost.pdx.edu
potential debian GPL violation needs investigating
http://www.limefree.org/download/TWR-MPC5125-Recovering-File-System.rar http://www.limefree.org/down.asp not entirely sure whom should be notified but this needs to be investigated. has anyone encountered any LimeOS products at actual retail stores in Copyright-enforcing countries? whilst i know of an obscure law firm that can prosecute IP cases against chinese companies, as we well know the chain has to begin with a Copyright Holder and the next link in the chain is the person distributing the products. if anyone has any information which would allow Copyright Compliance to be demonstrated (such as finding the link to the GPL downloads section for this OS, anywhere in the world) or initiated (by finding an actual product, or someone who's actually got an actual product) it would make sense to keep track of it, either by emailing me (direct) or by just filling it in, here: http://gpl-violations.lkcl.net/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9 l. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinuzufqf914ymbtmci_yon--5anvl=t2g6nx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: need motherboard recommendation
On Dec 26, 2010 12:11 PM, "Mark Neidorff" wrote: > > On Sunday 26 December 2010 09:00 am, Russell L. Harris wrote: > > * Stan Hoeppner [101226 13:35]: > > > Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:12 AM: > > > > I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I > > > > purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of > > > > video problems. > > > > >> With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern > > >> of horizontal and vertical red and green lines with a variety of > > >> monitors, both CRT and LCD. The pattern also is visible in > > >> terminal mode outside of X. Three trips back to Asus did not cure > > >> the problem. > > Well OK. So, this seems to me to be a memory problem. I'm guessing the video > ram. Whatever memory the 80X25 mode is mapping into has become flaky. When > you start X, you are using different memory, so no problem. Why didn't ASUS > solve the problem? dunno. Perhaps, once the MB booted into whatever they > tested with (X, MS-Win, whatever), the problem isn't apparent. Their bad. > Also, the problem does not seem to affect the operation of the MB once it is > booted. So, how much worse is this than annoying? Of course, you know that > you can look at udev and the logs to see all the boot messages once the PC is > in X. Did I miss something? > > Now, for something else that just occurred to meAre you using the same VGA > cable when you attach the different monitors to the different motherboards? > Could it be the cable, or are there instances where the cable works properly? > Could also be that he's using analog vga with no choke and is picking up RF or other line noise somewhere. Still think its RAM though. Asus wouldn't see that on an rma unless it was an issue with integrated video RAM and not shared RAM which comes from the modules he takes out before he sends it back. Oh and AFAIK, manufacturers don't generally test equipment before they process the rma. Just the $.02 from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about and likes dell (actually Apple). :)
Re: need motherboard recommendation
Russell L. Harris wrote:
I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I
purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of
video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid
capacitors. (Motherboard life typically is limited by deterioration
of conventional electrolytic capacitors with age and heat.)
With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern of
horizontal and vertical red and green lines with a variety of
monitors, both CRT and LCD. The pattern also is visible in terminal
mode outside of X. Three trips back to Asus did not cure the problem.
With the P5Q-EM, the display goes blank ("out of range" message on the
monitor) when X starts.
I need a recommendation for a reliable desktop motherboard for normal
desktop use (no gaming) with Debian Lenny or Squeeze. My primary
application is writing and typesetting with XEmacs, LaTeX, etc.
I would prefer a motherboard with solid capacitors. I would prefer a
brand other than Asus, and I would lean toward Gigabyte or Intel.
If you recommend a motherboard without integrated graphics, kindly
recommend also a readily-available graphics card.
No Asus? Too bad. I really like my Asus M4N98TD EVO. First mobo I bought
that worked out-of-the-box.
Hugo
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Re: need motherboard recommendation
On Sunday 26 December 2010 09:00 am, Russell L. Harris wrote: > * Stan Hoeppner [101226 13:35]: > > Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:12 AM: > > > I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I > > > purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of > > > video problems. > > >> With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern > >> of horizontal and vertical red and green lines with a variety of > >> monitors, both CRT and LCD. The pattern also is visible in > >> terminal mode outside of X. Three trips back to Asus did not cure > >> the problem. Well OK. So, this seems to me to be a memory problem. I'm guessing the video ram. Whatever memory the 80X25 mode is mapping into has become flaky. When you start X, you are using different memory, so no problem. Why didn't ASUS solve the problem? dunno. Perhaps, once the MB booted into whatever they tested with (X, MS-Win, whatever), the problem isn't apparent. Their bad. Also, the problem does not seem to affect the operation of the MB once it is booted. So, how much worse is this than annoying? Of course, you know that you can look at udev and the logs to see all the boot messages once the PC is in X. Did I miss something? Now, for something else that just occurred to meAre you using the same VGA cable when you attach the different monitors to the different motherboards? Could it be the cable, or are there instances where the cable works properly? Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012261211.45824.m...@neidorff.com
Re: need motherboard recommendation
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:12:17 +
"Russell L. Harris" wrote:
> I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I
> purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of
> video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid
> capacitors. (Motherboard life typically is limited by deterioration
> of conventional electrolytic capacitors with age and heat.)
>
> With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern of
> horizontal and vertical red and green lines with a variety of
> monitors, both CRT and LCD. The pattern also is visible in terminal
> mode outside of X. Three trips back to Asus did not cure the problem.
>
> With the P5Q-EM, the display goes blank ("out of range" message on the
> monitor) when X starts.
>
> I need a recommendation for a reliable desktop motherboard for normal
> desktop use (no gaming) with Debian Lenny or Squeeze. My primary
> application is writing and typesetting with XEmacs, LaTeX, etc.
>
> I would prefer a motherboard with solid capacitors. I would prefer a
> brand other than Asus, and I would lean toward Gigabyte or Intel.
>
> If you recommend a motherboard without integrated graphics, kindly
> recommend also a readily-available graphics card.
>
>
I've had a Giga GA-MA74GM-S2H for a year now. It hasn't died yet, and
I can't really say more than that. The most exotic stuff I do is gEDA
PCB layout, and I'm not aware of any performance problems. Built-in
sound and graphics, using 1440x900/60, running Sid in 2G RAM.
I'd have thought MB trouble was rare enough that you won't get
statistically useful results. I have run two Asrock (cheap Asus brand)
boards for several years with no trouble, and still have them as I
don't like throwing things out when they still work normally, I just
wanted more power after a few years.
As to capacitors: the only ones I would deliberately avoid are the
surface-mount aluminium types, the silver ones with the black arc on
top to show polarity. I've replaced many hundreds in the last fifteen
years or so, repaired the PCBs as necessary, and repaired and tested
boards after literally thousands of the little beasts have been
replaced by other people. Before they die they distribute electrolyte
over the surrounding PCB, and that stuff eats copper, particularly
plate-throughs. It's also, rather obviously, conductive, and I've seen
a puddle of the stuff draw half an amp from a five-volt rail. I've
never seen a wired capacitor do that kind of thing. The wired ones are
bigger, but there's not much height restriction on a MB.
--
Joe
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Re: o/t ipod
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:10:27 +0100 Peter Beck wrote: > On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 06:32 -0600, Ted Wager wrote: > > My son has bought me an ipodtouch for Xmas..Anyone tell me how I can > > transfer the music files on his ipod to mine ?..I only have Linux on my > > machines but can get access to a Winbox at a neighbours... > > on windows it's not possible to attach the device with itunes on > different computers without loosing all files. (I think there are 3rd > party tools for that, but no idea how they are called) Actually it is. The most important factor is the source of the songs. If they were bought on iTunes more than a year and a half ago, then they are most likely laden with iTunes' DRM (the songs have a .m4p extension). Anyway, I digress. I know that if you go into iTunes and open the iPod's page, and then select "enable disk use" then you can just copy all the files over (they'll be nested pretty deeply, just look for a bunch of folders containing possibly yet more folders which contain a bunch of four-letter filenames). After you copy them you should be able to drag them into iTunes. If you go the linux route you SHOULD be able to just connect the ipod and open the folder. I'm running Sid with LXDE, and opening up the file manager allowed me _read_only_ access to the iPod, with no fancy command-line mount required. However, it did connect with an extremely slow protocol, which appeared to take more time to copy the files than accessing it as a USB device on windows (disclaimer: subjective experience, may have had to do with better hardware on winbox). So to wrap up, the files are on there, all you need to do is get read access and copy it over. No fancy third party program needed. The files are all correctly tagged, so they should play with a quick drag and/or import into -insert favorite music player here- as long as -said music player- has support for the MPEG-4 codec. Note that these codecs are patent-encumbered, so they might be in multiverse. I think the package for the gstreamer powered applications is gstreamer-plugins-bad or something. And if they're DRM protected, then I can make a torrent that contains the software to take off the DRM (requiem)- note that this requires installing an early version of itunes (i think) and only works on windows. -- rbmj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101226105624.2286e...@blair-laptop.mason
Re: need motherboard recommendation
* Stan Hoeppner [101226 13:35]: > Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:12 AM: > > I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I > > purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of > > video problems. > > Two? Hi, Stan. It really isn't so odd; after months (several weeks total in transit) of messing around with the M3A78-T without success, I decided to replace it; thus, the P5Q-EM. I long have used Asus boards, but (after a failure of the USB circuitry on yet another Asus board) I think that the P5Q-EM is going to be my last one. >> With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern >> of horizontal and vertical red and green lines with a variety of >> monitors, both CRT and LCD. The pattern also is visible in >> terminal mode outside of X. Three trips back to Asus did not cure >> the problem. > Sounds more like a DDC problem with your monitor, which you didn't > bother to mention. Two different CRTs (iiyama and KDS XF-7G); two different LCD (NEC 1760NX). It seems to me unlikely that the same symptom is seen with all of these, unless the motherboard is at fault. Of course, with the P5Q-EM, the problem has to do with Xorg. > Now would be a good time to provide us with the make and model# of > your CRT/LCD monitor, what refresh setting you were using, color > depth, etc. It sounds like it may be a sync issue. Again, the red and green lines with the M3A78-T are apparent even in the POST displays. Thankfully, with the P5Q-EM -- on which I just moments ago completed the installation of Squeeze -- the installation of Squeeze solved the problem! X is working! > This, assuming neither of these boards every worked with said > monitor. You didn't state a sequence of events, i.e. what failed > when. We need that information to help you. Back to the M3A78-T: Inasmuch as I generally turn on the machine then grab a cup of coffee while it boots, I seldom notice the POST; X is running when I sit down to log in. And I seldom use terminal mode. Consequently, I had been running the system for several months before I noticed the red and green lines on the back background. The lines are thin and somewhat faint, but once you notice them they are very apparent. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101226140047.gb16...@rlharris.org
Re: o/t ipod
have you tried to share your iTune stuff ? On 26/12/10 21:24, shawn wilson wrote: On Dec 26, 2010 7:57 AM, "Ted Wager" mailto:t...@trufflesdad.plus.com>> wrote: > > My son has bought me an ipodtouch for Xmas..Anyone tell me how I can > transfer the music files on his ipod to mine ?..I only have Linux on my > machines but can get access to a Winbox at a neighbours... > > IIRC, there is no real good answer for linux. I think rythmbox has some capabilities (that can be enabled or configured). You could also jailbreak it and just scp stuff over (though you might need to hack around with plist xml files). Itunes on windows is an option (though I'm not sure how to handle account security or drm issues here). Also, if you go that route, you're not really going to be able to keep your music synced up. If your computer can handle it, you might research into running itunes inside of a windows virtual box session. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d1743bd.7020...@rezozer.net
Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question
Mark Neidorff put forth on 12/25/2010 10:47 AM: > Please explain what you are trying to accomplish and at what network speeds. > Off the top of my head, 10baseT networks used 4 wires and 100baseT used all 8 > wires. If you are trying for 100baseT speeds, you have to use all 8 wires. If memory serves me well, this is wrong Mark. Both 10BaseT and 100BaseT only use 2 pair, one each direction. 1000BaseT uses all 4 pair, two each direction. 1000BaseTX uses only 2 pair. 1000BaseT can run over Cat5 or above. 1000BaseTX requires Cat 6 or above. Ahh, here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000baseT#1000BASE-T -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d174386.8030...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: need motherboard recommendation
Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:12 AM: > I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I > purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of > video problems. Two? > With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern of > horizontal and vertical red and green lines with a variety of > monitors, both CRT and LCD. The pattern also is visible in terminal > mode outside of X. Three trips back to Asus did not cure the problem. Sounds more like a DDC problem with your monitor, which you didn't bother to mention. Now would be a good time to provide us with the make and model# of your CRT/LCD monitor, what refresh setting you were using, color depth, etc. It sounds like it may be a sync issue. This, assuming neither of these boards every worked with said monitor. You didn't state a sequence of events, i.e. what failed when. We need that information to help you. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d1742fa.60...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: o/t ipod
On Dec 26, 2010 7:57 AM, "Ted Wager" wrote: > > My son has bought me an ipodtouch for Xmas..Anyone tell me how I can > transfer the music files on his ipod to mine ?..I only have Linux on my > machines but can get access to a Winbox at a neighbours... > > IIRC, there is no real good answer for linux. I think rythmbox has some capabilities (that can be enabled or configured). You could also jailbreak it and just scp stuff over (though you might need to hack around with plist xml files). Itunes on windows is an option (though I'm not sure how to handle account security or drm issues here). Also, if you go that route, you're not really going to be able to keep your music synced up. If your computer can handle it, you might research into running itunes inside of a windows virtual box session.
Re: need motherboard recommendation
* shawn wilson [101226 12:28]: > I don't think that brand or manufacturing process are the issue here > unless you bought cheap asus boards Cheap boards generally do not have solid capacitors exclusively. > > purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) > So, assuming a decent board (it doesn't sound like you have a problem > spending $200+ usd if you're replacing it because video is starting to fail > vs just putting another video card in) How can you trust a board (still in warranty) which has video problems, even if you use an external video card? > then, I wonder about outside factors. First, have you had the > machines plugged into a ups? UPS and surge arrestor. > Did you check your RAM before trashing the boards (and probably in > another computer that doesn't use shared RAM for graphics as I don't > know how memtest86 handles that)? Recall that the M3A78-T made three RMA trips to Asus. If the RAM is defective, Asus should have detected it. > Are you in a real humid or dry setting? Is it real hot all the time? Tropical mosquito swamp. Summer is hot and humid. Winter is cool and humid. There are two nice days a year; one is called "spring" and the other is called "autumn". > As for your issue with electrolytic caps (let me see if I can remember my > electronics here). They are more suited for higher voltages and can hold a > charge longer than the solid state variants. Personally, I like them better > because when they blow, its visually noticeable (mushroom head or > electrolyte all over the place). I am a graduate engineer with electronic expertise; you obviously do not understand electrolytic capacitors. Electrolytics are low-voltage capacitors; they tend to be leaky; they lose capacity with age; the aging process is accelerated by heat; they are subject to internal shorting. Even the best of electrolytics have a rated operating life of about five years. The heat generated by an internal short causes internal pressure to rise and may cause the case to burst. Electrolyte from a burst capacitor can ruin a motherboard. Electrolytic capacitors are widely used because they provide high capacity in a small volume at a relatively low price. Ten years or so ago, electrolytic failures gave every motherboard manufacturer much grief, because after only a three to six months of service, many of the electrolytics had decreased in capacitance to the point that the associated circuitry quit working. This problem was front-page news for months in professional electronic design journals. It is this problem which has lead to the use of so-called "solid capacitors" (there is no such thing as a "solid-STATE" capacitor) on motherboards, despite the higher cost. > Lastly, I've got stereo cross over circuits with those caps that > have been used for 10+ years. And as the electrolytics decrease in capacity, the crossover frequencies change. But the human ear becomes accustomed to slow changes. A frequency response curve made with a calibrated microphone likely would surprise you. > Point of all of this is, in most environments, I wouldn't really > dwell on the caps one way or the other. Buy what works, treat it > well and, in five years or so, you'll end up throwing away an old > motherboard with perfectly good caps. Not so. In five years, the typical electrolytic has only a small fraction of its nominal capacity, so that parameters (such as ripple and time constants) of the circuit of which the capacitor is a part are outside of specification. There may be as many as a hundred capacitors on a motherboard; many of the function as essential elements of the power supply circuit. > As for specific board recommendations, I can't really give you any as I > don't work that way. I either get whatever cheap dell I can get gold support > on and then replace it or I get proliant servers. If this is truly a desktop > system for you and nothing more, you might opt for the dell with gold > support (crap hardware with insurance :) ). Obviously reliability means nothing to you. You really should not speak concerning things of which you are ignorant and about which you are indifferent. All in all, you and a Dell appear to be made for one another. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101226132256.ga16...@rlharris.org
Re: o/t ipod
On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 06:32 -0600, Ted Wager wrote: > My son has bought me an ipodtouch for Xmas..Anyone tell me how I can > transfer the music files on his ipod to mine ?..I only have Linux on my > machines but can get access to a Winbox at a neighbours... on windows it's not possible to attach the device with itunes on different computers without loosing all files. (I think there are 3rd party tools for that, but no idea how they are called) I have seen Ubuntu with Rhythmbox working out of the box without loosing all songs - just attach and copy the files to the disk. Not sure on debian, afaik it did not work flawlessy on Lenny, but i think it could work out of the box with Squeeze. There is a plugin on Squeeze's Rhythmbox - Portable Players iPod. If it does not work - maybe these links are useful: http://wiki.debian.org/iPod http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone Regards Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1293369027.2491.26.ca...@peanut.datentraeger.li
o/t ipod
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Re: need motherboard recommendation
On Dec 26, 2010 6:12 AM, "Russell L. Harris" wrote: > > I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I > purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of > video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid > capacitors. (Motherboard life typically is limited by deterioration > of conventional electrolytic capacitors with age and heat.) > I generally tend to go with supermicro or asus. However, I don't think that brand or manufacturing process are the issue here unless you bought cheap asus boards (they make everything from commodity to server products). So, assuming a decent board (it doesn't sound like you have a problem spending $200+ usd if you're replacing it because video is starting to fail vs just putting another video card in) then, I wonder about outside factors. First, have you had the machines plugged into a ups? Did you check your RAM before trashing the boards (and probably in another computer that doesn't use shared RAM for graphics as I don't know how memtest86 handles that)? Are you in a real humid or dry setting? Is it real hot all the time? Etc, etc. As for your issue with electrolytic caps (let me see if I can remember my electronics here). They are more suited for higher voltages and can hold a charge longer than the solid state variants. Personally, I like them better because when they blow, its visually noticeable (mushroom head or electrolyte all over the place). Lastly, I've got stereo cross over circuits with those caps that have been used for 10+ years. Point of all of this is, in most environments, I wouldn't really dwell on the caps one way or the other. Buy what works, treat it well and, in five years or so, you'll end up throwing away an old motherboard with perfectly good caps. As for specific board recommendations, I can't really give you any as I don't work that way. I either get whatever cheap dell I can get gold support on and then replace it or I get proliant servers. If this is truly a desktop system for you and nothing more, you might opt for the dell with gold support (crap hardware with insurance :) ).
need motherboard recommendation
I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I
purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of
video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid
capacitors. (Motherboard life typically is limited by deterioration
of conventional electrolytic capacitors with age and heat.)
With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern of
horizontal and vertical red and green lines with a variety of
monitors, both CRT and LCD. The pattern also is visible in terminal
mode outside of X. Three trips back to Asus did not cure the problem.
With the P5Q-EM, the display goes blank ("out of range" message on the
monitor) when X starts.
I need a recommendation for a reliable desktop motherboard for normal
desktop use (no gaming) with Debian Lenny or Squeeze. My primary
application is writing and typesetting with XEmacs, LaTeX, etc.
I would prefer a motherboard with solid capacitors. I would prefer a
brand other than Asus, and I would lean toward Gigabyte or Intel.
If you recommend a motherboard without integrated graphics, kindly
recommend also a readily-available graphics card.
Thanks!
RLH
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Re: Tool to perform same task over several hosts at same time.
Le 14968ième jour après Epoch, Bob Proulx écrivait: > Not to knock cssh, I am familiar with it and use it too for a small > number of hosts, but how do you handle 300 open terminal windows on > the display all at once? (Before it gets to that point I start > scripting things.) Maybe with grouping servers on themes/usages... You can use some "a=b c d e" syntax on the .csshrc file, to open "b c d e" when you type "cssh a" Another way is to use a massive multi headed video card, but I agree it's not so cheap and easy ;) pgpqXD8VJVvgR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Power-down/halt problem in Debian Squeeze
On Mi, 22 dec 10, 00:46:44, Неумник Некий wrote: > > Please reproduce as accurate as you can the last 4-5 lines on screen. > > Sorry for delay. > > There is: > > [ ... ] ACPI: preparing to enter system sleep state S5 > [ ... ] Disabling non-boot CPUs > [ ... ] CPU 1 now offline > [ ... ] SMP alternatives switching to UP code > [ ... ] Power down Looks like the system is doing it's thing, but fails to actually power down the hardware. This could indicate some ACPI problems. You could search for ACPI related problems with your mainboard. Also a BIOS update might help. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: weired issues of debian squeeze (base system)
On Ma, 14 dec 10, 06:51:53, Geronimo wrote: > Hello, > > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > The question is certainly in the installer, I checked the translation > > files (.po), but it is probably shown only on expert installs. > > Ok, I tried several installations, but the question about utc settings is not > there. Not on normal installation, neither on expert installation. So I was > fooled by my mind. > > I don't know, when it has disappeared. ,[ d-i/sublevel1/template.pot ] | #. Type: boolean | #. Description | #. :sl1: | #: ../clock-setup.templates:2001 | msgid "Is the system clock set to UTC?" | msgstr "" | | #. Type: boolean | #. Description | #. :sl1: | #: ../clock-setup.templates:2001 | msgid "" | "System clocks are generally set to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). The " | "operating system uses your time zone to convert system time into local time. " | "This is recommended unless you also use another operating system that " | "expects the clock to be set to local time." | msgstr "" ` You might want to ask on debian-boot where/when this questions is asked. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
