Re: best labtop for debian

[Bob]

On 02/19/2011 05:52 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote:

On 02/08/2011 10:47 PM, Bob wrote:


I was liking the look of the G555 for my farther.

Anyone tried one?
on the plus side nice big screen, on the down its only 1366x768
I also like the full keyboard etc..
The integrated webcam is only VGA, but is there any real advantage to
higher resolution webcams?



I have a Lenovo G555. I bought it because it was cheap - about $329. For
that money you're not getting a Thinkpad. "Thinkpad" is nowhere in the
name, and that's for a reason.

I sort of thought that I'd get some of the Thinkpad "vibe" with the
G555, but that didn't really happen.

It looks nice, the keyboard is great, the screen is short and wide like
most laptops these days. The webcam is pretty awful. The Alps touchpad
is REALLY awful. Windows users have it way worse than Linux users
because the drivers in Windows 7 don't allow you to turn off "tap to
click" like you can in most Linux distros. As a result, the cursor is
erratic. You can totally turn off the touchpad on the G555 in any OS
with Fn-F8. Yep, they have a key combination to completely turn off the
touchpad but no way in their OS of choice, Windows 7, of turning off
tap-to-click.

So the experience in Debian Squeeze is way better than in Windows 7,
I'll say that.

There are 3 USB ports, which work great, But there's no Cardbus slot - I
guess they're eliminating those in many laptops. It has nice memory-card
slot that works well in Linux.

There are sound-muting issues when you plug in headphones that are
solved either with slight configuration changes, or in my case with
Debian Squeeze by using the 2.6.37 Liquorix kernel.

The wireless is pretty good. Both the wireless and wired Ethernet
interfaces are Atheros, and it took awhile for most Linux and BSD system
to "catch up" with the wired interface, which you should know is 10/100
mb and not gigabit speed.

I really don't believe in spending $700+ for a laptop, but after using
this "bargain" model for about eight months, I'd recommend spending
$500-$600 for a theoretically better combination of hardware.

There is a "newer" Lenovo for $499 that includes an Intel i3 CPU, more
memory and a bigger hard drive. But I don't know if the other
"liabilities" hardware-wise, especially the dodgy touchpad have been
dealth with.

The short version: Unless it says "Thinkpad" in the name, it's not a
Thinkpad.


Thanks for that, extremely informative.  My father has a slightly 
abusive relationship with laptops & judging by the other problems you've 
encountered the build quality's probably not good enough anyway.




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Re: question about storage

[Jim Green]

Hello:
I think I'll probably do this,

4x2T drive in desktop and use a external closure for backup(because I
am using mirroring, disk failure should be ok though). and I'll be
using soft raid to avoid hardware raid card.

Thank you both!

Jim.

On 19 February 2011 01:39, Ron Johnson  wrote:
> On 02/19/2011 12:23 AM, David Christensen wrote:
>>
>> On 02/18/2011 08:36 PM, Jim Green wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a laptop with 120G harddrive, 2x320G external harddrive, I
>>> don't have a desktop.
>>> Now I am doing something serious storing some huge historical data to
>>> mysql database and want to have some better storage solution ...
>>> I have two options
>>> 1, buy a desktop with 4x2T harddrives and use lvm on raid1, I need
>>> the
>>> redundancy of data.
>>> 2, buy some independent storage like NAS, buy another desktop with
>>> small harddrive to access the NAS, debian installed on NAS and
>>> desktop
>>> of course.
>>> what do you think would be a better solution for me?
>>
>> On 02/18/2011 08:50 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>  > Option 3: Multi-drive external USB enclosure. Gives you the capacity
>>  > of a NAS at 1/3 the cost.
>>
>> I prefer the responsiveness of data drives inside the machine using
>> the data, especially with hardware-based RAID.
>>
>
> Sure.  But that means you must buy a desktop (probably with a large tower
> case).
>
>>
>> Think about how you're going to back up 4 TB (?) of data. You might
>> want to put two drives in your desktop with hardware RAID0 and two
>> into a backup server with LVM JBOD (so you can add more drives later
>> without having to wipe the existing backups). You might also want to
>> have some external device that you can dump the backup to
>> periodically and store off-site.
>>
>
> Or a 2nd external enclosure ("first" if you buy a tower PC) for your
> backups.  You can then buy slower "green" drives for it.
>
> If he's wedded to his laptop, I'd buy 2 of the 4-drive USB enclosures and
> populate one with 7200RPM "normal" drives and the other with 5900RPM "green"
> drives.
>
> Wed each pair with md and/or lvm.
>
> If OP ever decides he needs the speed of a desktop-tower, then he can
> directly move the 7200RPM drives into the tower.
>
>>
>> bonnie++ is very useful for benchmarking multiple drive
>> configuration options:
>>
>> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/bonnie++
>>
>
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Re: best labtop for debian

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/16/2011 04:51 PM, Celejar wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:13:17 -0500
shawn wilson  wrote:

...


whatever you get as long as the hardware isn't too strange. strange might be
a gsm modem, fingerprint reader, dual mode graphics, no name 802.11 card -
stuff like that.


Not sure what you mean by a 'no name 802.11 card' - they all use the
same handful of chipsets, some of which have better linux support, and
some worse.  Are 'no name' cards more likely to use one of the less
supported chipsets than brand name ones?



Yes.  And use dodgy materials and shoddy engineering.

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Re: best labtop for debian

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/18/2011 05:23 PM, Francis Southern wrote:

On 18 February 2011 16:39, shawn wilson  wrote:








as some have mentioned in this thread, even some of the "Thinkpad"s are sold
with cheaper keyboards and other hardware. but, if you read some reviews,
spend a little (~$1k should do imo), you'll end up with a solid portable.



1,000 USD doesn't count as ``a little'' to all of us!  We aren't all
well-paid American programmers. ;-)



Heck, even the odd well-paid American programmer has wife, kids, 
mortgages, tuition, child support if he wasn't prudent, etc, etc 
that drag down the bank balance...


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Re: question about storage

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/19/2011 12:23 AM, David Christensen wrote:

On 02/18/2011 08:36 PM, Jim Green wrote:

I have a laptop with 120G harddrive, 2x320G external harddrive, I
don't have a desktop.
Now I am doing something serious storing some huge historical data to
mysql database and want to have some better storage solution ...
I have two options
1, buy a desktop with 4x2T harddrives and use lvm on raid1, I need
the
redundancy of data.
2, buy some independent storage like NAS, buy another desktop with
small harddrive to access the NAS, debian installed on NAS and
desktop
of course.
what do you think would be a better solution for me?


On 02/18/2011 08:50 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
 > Option 3: Multi-drive external USB enclosure. Gives you the capacity
 > of a NAS at 1/3 the cost.

I prefer the responsiveness of data drives inside the machine using
the data, especially with hardware-based RAID.



Sure.  But that means you must buy a desktop (probably with a large 
tower case).




Think about how you're going to back up 4 TB (?) of data. You might
want to put two drives in your desktop with hardware RAID0 and two
into a backup server with LVM JBOD (so you can add more drives later
without having to wipe the existing backups). You might also want to
have some external device that you can dump the backup to
periodically and store off-site.



Or a 2nd external enclosure ("first" if you buy a tower PC) for your 
backups.  You can then buy slower "green" drives for it.


If he's wedded to his laptop, I'd buy 2 of the 4-drive USB 
enclosures and populate one with 7200RPM "normal" drives and the 
other with 5900RPM "green" drives.


Wed each pair with md and/or lvm.

If OP ever decides he needs the speed of a desktop-tower, then he 
can directly move the 7200RPM drives into the tower.




bonnie++ is very useful for benchmarking multiple drive
configuration options:

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/bonnie++




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Re: question about storage

[David Christensen]

On 02/18/2011 08:36 PM, Jim Green wrote:

I have a laptop with 120G harddrive, 2x320G external harddrive,  I
don't have a desktop.
Now I am doing something serious storing some huge historical data to
mysql database and want to have some better storage solution  ...
I have two options
1, buy a desktop with 4x2T harddrives and use lvm on raid1, I need the
redundancy of data.
2, buy some independent storage like NAS, buy another desktop with
small harddrive to access the NAS, debian installed on NAS and desktop
of course.
what do you think would be a better solution for me?


On 02/18/2011 08:50 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Option 3: Multi-drive external USB enclosure. Gives you the capacity
> of a NAS at 1/3 the cost.

I prefer the responsiveness of data drives inside the machine using the 
data, especially with hardware-based RAID.



Think about how you're going to back up 4 TB (?) of data.  You might 
want to put two drives in your desktop with hardware RAID0 and two into 
a backup server with LVM JBOD (so you can add more drives later without 
having to wipe the existing backups).  You might also want to have some 
external device that you can dump the backup to periodically and store 
off-site.



bonnie++ is very useful for benchmarking multiple drive configuration 
options:


http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/bonnie++


HTH,

David


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Re: I want beep in urxvt terminal - SOLVED

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/17/2011 09:58 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:16:16 -0600
Ron Johnson  wrote:

Hello Ron,


Yes, I use nvidia, and no I won't use nouveau.


Entirely your prerogative of course, but might I ask why?



Performance.

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Re: question about storage

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/18/2011 10:36 PM, Jim Green wrote:

Hello!
I have a laptop with 120G harddrive, 2x320G external harddrive,  I
don't have a desktop.

Now I am doing something serious storing some huge historical data to
mysql database and want to have some better storage solution(I hate
the two external harddrives I bought 4 years ago, need to power them
on individually and connect with laptop each time I need to use data
in them).

I have two options
1, buy a desktop with 4x2T harddrives and use lvm on raid1, I need the
redundancy of data.

2, buy some independent storage like NAS, buy another desktop with
small harddrive to access the NAS, debian installed on NAS and desktop
of course.

what do you think would be a better solution for me? I like the NAS
idea that storage is independent so I can keep the NAS even if I
upgrade my desktops, but the con is I need to buy separate NAS..



Option 3: Multi-drive external USB enclosure.  Gives you the 
capacity of a NAS at 1/3 the cost.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817576001

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Re: Two node storage failover with lvm and ISCSI

[Stan Hoeppner]

Justin Jereza put forth on 2/18/2011 6:37 AM:
>> we have two nodes connected to one big SAS storage (LSI 630j Jbod) with
>> SAS HBAs and they can see all disks at same time.
>> Now we want build a failover construct for lvm with ISCSI:
>>
>> LSI Jbod -> node* | raid | lvm | ISCSI -> Global IP ->> Client
>>
>> If the primary node fails, start raid on node two, activate lvm, export
>> them via ISCSI, take over the IP address.
>>
>> There are many layers, that can fails, like raid, lvm, timing 
>>
>> any suggestions?
> 
> Bugger. I always fail at replying to mailing lists using GMail. Repost.
> 
> I'd consider running clvm + gfs2 instead. That way, both nodes can
> stay up and connected to the same filesystem at the same time. The
> only decision left would be which node to use. OTOH, you can have an
> HA configuration as well.

I recommend drbd + gfs2 instead of clvm.

http://www.drbd.org

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question about storage

[Jim Green]

Hello!
I have a laptop with 120G harddrive, 2x320G external harddrive,  I
don't have a desktop.

Now I am doing something serious storing some huge historical data to
mysql database and want to have some better storage solution(I hate
the two external harddrives I bought 4 years ago, need to power them
on individually and connect with laptop each time I need to use data
in them).

I have two options
1, buy a desktop with 4x2T harddrives and use lvm on raid1, I need the
redundancy of data.

2, buy some independent storage like NAS, buy another desktop with
small harddrive to access the NAS, debian installed on NAS and desktop
of course.

what do you think would be a better solution for me? I like the NAS
idea that storage is independent so I can keep the NAS even if I
upgrade my desktops, but the con is I need to buy separate NAS..

Thank you!
Jim.


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Re: squeeze fails to install

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Neal Hogan  wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  wrote:
>> on 20:34 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  
>>> wrote:
>>> > on 19:30 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > on 18:11 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>> >> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius 
>>> >> >>  wrote:
>>> >> >> > on 21:01 Wed 16 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>> >> >> >> Every installation medium that I've tried fails. Those trials 
>>> >> >> >> include
>>> >> >> >> net-install-iso, mini-iso, full-diskOne-iso. . .with both linux and
>>> >> >> >> bsd kernels.
>>
>>> >> >> > Are you using the graphical or console installer?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> There was no option. It appeared graphical.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > You should have the option of selecting at boot time.
>>> >>
>>> >> I agree
>>> >
>>> > Agree or not, the option should be presented.  You might, say, rather
>>> > than being all agreeable and stuff, actually verify this on your
>>> > installation media by, say, booting it and checking.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I did . . that is why I said that there was no option and agree that
>>> there should be one. I've indicated my install media in response to
>>> others and above.
>>
>> Booting the Debian squeeze netinst ISO under qemu from
>> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso
>>
>> ... the first boot screen reads:
>>
>>   debian
>>   The Universal Operating System
>>
>>   Installer boot menu
>>
>>   Install
>>   Graphical install
>>   Advanced options
>>   Help
>>
>
> I confirm this. The link's iso that you provide offer those options .
> . . my options were
>
> default install
> automated install
> expert install
>
> I'm in the process of getting the iso's that gave me those options
>

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-kfreebsd-i386-CD-1.iso
http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-kfreebsd-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso

Those for sure . . . Unfortunately (for me), I can't find the
non-(debian gnu/bsd) iso's that failed (given the amount of effor that
I'm now willing to put forth). At this point, you have my word, which
is not good enough, I know.

I want to go eat my wife's birthday cake and watch a movie ;-)

>> The default selection is "Install" (the text installer).
>>
>>
>> On booting the installer and proceeding to the root password prompt,
>> switching to virtual console #2 (-), I find fdisk in /usr/sbin.
>>
>>
>> As my good friend HAL notes:
>>
>>    "Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be
>>    attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up
>>    before and it has always been due to human error."
>>
>>    http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/error.wav
>>
>>
>> Either you're not using the Debian Squeeze installer, or you're not
>> using it correctly.
>>
>> --
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>>  Robot Wrangler / Staff Psychologist        | When you seek unlimited power
>> Krell Power Systems Unlimited                |                  Go to Krell!
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Re: Help configuring grub-pc

[Charles Kroeger]

> Please help ... this is kinda scary because it seems
> like I could break something if I pick the  wrong one!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Erin

It has been some time since you wrote this so I assume all is well and
you've chosen wisely.  However, when things go wrong with grub-pc or
in my case, grub2-pc as it were, I always get good results from
editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg  That's the one that says, DO NOT EDIT THIS
FILE.

There is also a good read in /usr/share/grub/ and more interesting:

/etc/default/grub the one you might want to edit also after reading the
document that will appear after the command:

#  info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'

That will take you into the Grub Manual to menu item 5.1 "Simple
configuration handling,"  If you can endure reading longish manuals ,
you can start at the beginning that is the top of the file where it
says: GNU GRUB manual  
   **
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Soybean Lecithin, Sodium Bicarbonate, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
Cyamopsis Tetragonoloba, Cellulose, Natural and Artificial Flavor
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Re: squeeze fails to install

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  wrote:
> on 20:34 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  
>> wrote:
>> > on 19:30 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > on 18:11 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius 
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> > on 21:01 Wed 16 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> >> >> >> Every installation medium that I've tried fails. Those trials 
>> >> >> >> include
>> >> >> >> net-install-iso, mini-iso, full-diskOne-iso. . .with both linux and
>> >> >> >> bsd kernels.
>
>> >> >> > Are you using the graphical or console installer?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There was no option. It appeared graphical.
>> >> >
>> >> > You should have the option of selecting at boot time.
>> >>
>> >> I agree
>> >
>> > Agree or not, the option should be presented.  You might, say, rather
>> > than being all agreeable and stuff, actually verify this on your
>> > installation media by, say, booting it and checking.
>> >
>>
>> I did . . that is why I said that there was no option and agree that
>> there should be one. I've indicated my install media in response to
>> others and above.
>
> Booting the Debian squeeze netinst ISO under qemu from
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso
>
> ... the first boot screen reads:
>
>   debian
>   The Universal Operating System
>
>   Installer boot menu
>
>   Install
>   Graphical install
>   Advanced options
>   Help
>

I confirm this. The link's iso that you provide offer those options .
. . my options were

default install
automated install
expert install

I'm in the process of getting the iso's that gave me those options

> The default selection is "Install" (the text installer).
>
>
> On booting the installer and proceeding to the root password prompt,
> switching to virtual console #2 (-), I find fdisk in /usr/sbin.
>
>
> As my good friend HAL notes:
>
>    "Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be
>    attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up
>    before and it has always been due to human error."
>
>    http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/error.wav
>
>
> Either you're not using the Debian Squeeze installer, or you're not
> using it correctly.
>
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>  Robot Wrangler / Staff Psychologist        | When you seek unlimited power
> Krell Power Systems Unlimited                |                  Go to Krell!
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Re: Can't run update-initramfs

[Andre [debian]]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Noah Duffy  wrote:
> I was trying to install Plymouth on Debain Squeeze.  I followed the
> basic instructions, but the only thing I was unable to run was
> update-initramfs.  It just tells me that the command isn't found.  I'm
> a little confused.  Is there something else I need to install or do?
> I did have initramfs-tools installed (it came with Plymouth).

Are you using sudo or logged in as root?  It's likely not in your path
if you're not root.

Andre


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firmware

[robert rue]

.
hello debian, could you please change the kernel device firmware description to 
like software based dsp firmware. i dont run my debian computers much and took 
me awhile to understand what debian was saying about "firmware" the documention 
description needs to be a more better posted why the "firmware" is needed. i 
have had some experience with intersil prism gt "drivers" with windows based 
computers. this seems to be the same issue (pick a firmware file that works 
best), the firmware im use to knowing of is embedded only. please respond.
.


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Re: Can't run update-initramfs

[Slicky Johnson]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:39:02 -0600
Noah Duffy  wrote:

> I was trying to install Plymouth on Debain Squeeze.  I followed the
> basic instructions, but the only thing I was unable to run was
> update-initramfs.  It just tells me that the command isn't found.  I'm
> a little confused.  Is there something else I need to install or do?
> I did have initramfs-tools installed (it came with Plymouth).
> 
> Noah Duffy
> Skype - Noah0504 | Jabber/Google Talk - n.milo.du...@gmail.com
> 
> 

I just did this less than a week ago on Squeeze. I ran exactly... 

update-initramfs -u

Everything works as expected.


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Can't run update-initramfs

[Noah Duffy]

I was trying to install Plymouth on Debain Squeeze.  I followed the
basic instructions, but the only thing I was unable to run was
update-initramfs.  It just tells me that the command isn't found.  I'm
a little confused.  Is there something else I need to install or do?
I did have initramfs-tools installed (it came with Plymouth).

Noah Duffy
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Re: best labtop for debian

[Francis Southern]

On 18 February 2011 16:39, shawn wilson  wrote:
>



>
> as some have mentioned in this thread, even some of the "Thinkpad"s are sold
> with cheaper keyboards and other hardware. but, if you read some reviews,
> spend a little (~$1k should do imo), you'll end up with a solid portable.
>

1,000 USD doesn't count as ``a little'' to all of us!  We aren't all
well-paid American programmers. ;-)


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Re: best labtop for debian

[shawn wilson]

> So the experience in Debian Squeeze is way better than in Windows 7, I'll
> say that.
>
linux users always have it better than windows users :)

>
> There are 3 USB ports, which work great, But there's no Cardbus slot - I
> guess they're eliminating those in many laptops. It has nice memory-card
> slot that works well in Linux.
>
heh, i haven't used any built-in expansion slot in a laptop since i needed a
pcmcia ethernet card ~10 years ago.

>



> The wireless is pretty good. Both the wireless and wired Ethernet
> interfaces are Atheros, and it took awhile for most Linux and BSD system to
> "catch up" with the wired interface, which you should know is 10/100 mb and
> not gigabit speed.
>
heh, and i had questions about mentioning 'off brand nics'. so, let me
explain that - if you don't recognize the brand of the network card as being
a fortune 500 company, you might want to do some homework on it.

>
> I really don't believe in spending $700+ for a laptop, but after using this
> "bargain" model for about eight months, I'd recommend spending $500-$600 for
> a theoretically better combination of hardware.
>
... and people don't understand when i say 'you get what you pay for' - i
don't believe in fighting with drivers for 10 hours - that's >$500 of my
time + money for bar tab to relieve my frustration.


>
> The short version: Unless it says "Thinkpad" in the name, it's not a
> Thinkpad.

as some have mentioned in this thread, even some of the "Thinkpad"s are sold
with cheaper keyboards and other hardware. but, if you read some reviews,
spend a little (~$1k should do imo), you'll end up with a solid portable.


ps - good review.

Re: Migration from Lenny to Squeeze: any feedback about configuration upgrade issues ?

[Mark]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Rob Owens  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 08:46:13PM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> > > I was questioned about some config files which I know I did not modify.
> > > In that case, I accepted the new one blindly.
> >
> > This one is more weird as the config file was modified by something, most
> > often a post-install script. IMHO, this should be considered as a bug.
> >
> It happened on each Lenny to Squeeze upgrade I've done so far.  I think
> one of the files was /etc/console-tools/config.  I know I never modified
> that one, but I was questioned about it during upgrades.
>

+1, happened to me too. I kept my version, not sure if it made a difference
either way.

Mark

Re: Console resolution

[Stephen Powell]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:49:33 -0500 (EST), Paul Cartwright wrote:
> Camaleón wrote:
>>
>> You are not using "nuvó" at all but the nvidia driver:-)
>>
> 
> right, I knew that.
>> 
>> To make this a bit more clear, nvidia card owners can run either:
>>
>> a) KMS+nouveau
>> ...   
> 
> so, what is this, why would I want it?

The nvidia driver offers both 2D and 3D acceleration.  But it is
non-free.  The nv driver is free, but does not offer 3D acceleration.
It generally does offer 2D acceleration though.  Nvidia's historical
position on the nv driver is that they offer it so the user will have
a driver to use during installation.  It can then be upgraded to the
nvidia driver after installation.  But they dropped support for the
nv driver about a year ago, I think.  The rationale is that the user
can use the vesa driver during installation and then install the
nvidia driver after installation.  That did not set well with those
who wish to use all free software.  With nv, they at least got 2D
acceleration.  With vesa, I don't think there's even 2D acceleration.

The nouveau driver is an attempt to create a free driver that offers
both 2D and 3D acceleration.  Since Nvidia stubbornly refuses to
publish the specs, the nouveau driver had to be reverse-engineered.
It doesn't support all modes of all nvidia chipsets, but a number
of them do seem to work with the nouveau driver.  You would want the
nouveau driver if you wanted 3D acceleration but didn't want to use
proprietary, non-free software, such as the nvidia driver.  If you
already have the nvidia driver installed, and it is working for you,
you probably don't want to switch to nouveau.

>> 
>> b) nvidia propietary driver
>> c) vesa/fb
>> d) nv (obsolete but still available, AFAICT)
>
> I don't know if nv is still available in squeeze, I would imagine it is, 
> but I hope I never have to use it!

It is still available in Squeeze, and in Wheezy also, and I use it.
I'll tell you why.  My video card is an old one.  It has a "RIVA TNT2 /
TNT2 Pro" chipset.  This chipset supports interlaced video modes.
My monitor requires an interlaced video mode.  I cannot use the
proprietary nvidia driver because I would need the 71xx-series driver
to support a chipset this old, and Nvidia has not enhanced this driver
series to support the release of the X server that runs under Squeeze.
And they have no plans to do so.  I cannot use the nouveau driver because it
does not work with interlaced video modes.  (Or at least it did not the
last time I checked.)  I could use the vesa driver, I suppose, but it
does not offer 2D acceleration.  So the nv driver is my choice.  It
supports my chipset, it supports interlaced video modes on my chipset,
and it at least offers 2D acceleration.

If I have made any factually incorrect statements, someone please
correct me.

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Re: Migration from Lenny to Squeeze: any feedback about configuration upgrade issues ?

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 08:46:13PM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> > I was questioned about some config files which I know I did not modify.
> > In that case, I accepted the new one blindly.
> 
> This one is more weird as the config file was modified by something, most 
> often a post-install script. IMHO, this should be considered as a bug.
> 
It happened on each Lenny to Squeeze upgrade I've done so far.  I think
one of the files was /etc/console-tools/config.  I know I never modified
that one, but I was questioned about it during upgrades.

-Rob


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Re: best labtop for debian

[Steven Rosenberg]

On 02/08/2011 10:47 PM, Bob wrote:


I was liking the look of the G555 for my farther.

Anyone tried one?
on the plus side nice big screen, on the down its only 1366x768
I also like the full keyboard etc..
The integrated webcam is only VGA, but is there any real advantage to
higher resolution webcams?



I have a Lenovo G555. I bought it because it was cheap - about $329. For 
that money you're not getting a Thinkpad. "Thinkpad" is nowhere in the 
name, and that's for a reason.


I sort of thought that I'd get some of the Thinkpad "vibe" with the 
G555, but that didn't really happen.


It looks nice, the keyboard is great, the screen is short and wide like 
most laptops these days. The webcam is pretty awful. The Alps touchpad 
is REALLY awful. Windows users have it way worse than Linux users 
because the drivers in Windows 7 don't allow you to turn off "tap to 
click" like you can in most Linux distros. As a result, the cursor is 
erratic. You can totally turn off the touchpad on the G555 in any OS 
with Fn-F8. Yep, they have a key combination to completely turn off the 
touchpad but no way in their OS of choice, Windows 7, of turning off 
tap-to-click.


So the experience in Debian Squeeze is way better than in Windows 7, 
I'll say that.


There are 3 USB ports, which work great, But there's no Cardbus slot - I 
guess they're eliminating those in many laptops. It has nice memory-card 
slot that works well in Linux.


There are sound-muting issues when you plug in headphones that are 
solved either with slight configuration changes, or in my case with 
Debian Squeeze by using the 2.6.37 Liquorix kernel.


The wireless is pretty good. Both the wireless and wired Ethernet 
interfaces are Atheros, and it took awhile for most Linux and BSD system 
to "catch up" with the wired interface, which you should know is 10/100 
mb and not gigabit speed.


I really don't believe in spending $700+ for a laptop, but after using 
this "bargain" model for about eight months, I'd recommend spending 
$500-$600 for a theoretically better combination of hardware.


There is a "newer" Lenovo for $499 that includes an Intel i3 CPU, more 
memory and a bigger hard drive. But I don't know if the other 
"liabilities" hardware-wise, especially the dodgy touchpad have been 
dealth with.


The short version: Unless it says "Thinkpad" in the name, it's not a 
Thinkpad.



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Re: Firware drivers?

[Dan B.]

Camaleón wrote:

...
...  let me add that "any" system upgrade is capable of breaking thinks.
For those who want/need a smooth upgrade I would recommend to install the 
new release in parallel with the old release, that is, leaving lenny at 
the same state and perform a new install of Squeeze in a different 
partition. So if something wrong happens, you can always boot the old 
version and work with that. Is time consuming and requires double disk 
space but for many environments thats should not be a problem at all.


A related option is to clone the core of your system and then upgrade
one copy (leaving the other copy bootable in case of problems with the
udgrade).

(That is, clone the root file system to a new partition, make it bootable
by adjusting a few things (such as Grub/LILO and /etc/fstab), and the
updgrade either the original or the clone.)


Daniel






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Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 01:58:45AM -0600, Noah Duffy wrote:
> 
> Sam, I went with Stable.  I picked it mostly because I'm newer to Debian
> specifically.  I also like the idea of not having to think about
> upgrading to a new release every 6 months.  If I feel I need the latest
> and greatest of something, I'll just compile it myself.  That's easy
> enough!
> 
You should look into debian-backports.  It's got recent versions of
various software, installable on Debian Stable.

-Rob


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Re: Debian 6.0.0 DVD (1) installation unable to complete setup of package manager due to corrupt ftp/ mirror repositories

[David Christensen]

On 02/17/2011 11:30 PM, Saibal K Saha wrote:

Have spent the last several days trying to get a usable BitTorrent
download of Debian 6.0.0. Since yesterday, the automated setup has been
unable to complete setup of the package manager, from various ftp/
mirror sites. Have tried multiple sites in multiple locations including
Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan,Korea in vain
Enough already - you just lived up to your reputation of being one of
the worst OSS installs of all time
CYa mate!


I used jigdo last week to get debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1.iso without any 
problems:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigdo

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/jigdo-dvd/

MD5SUMS

MD5SUMS.sign

debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1.jigdo

debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1.template


HTH,

David


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Re: Console resolution

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-02-18 20:22 +0100, Dom wrote:

> On 18/02/11 18:24, Camaleón wrote:
>> To make this a bit more clear, nvidia card owners can run either:
>>
>> a) KMS+nouveau
>> b) nvidia propietary driver
>> c) vesa/fb
>> d) nv (obsolete but still available, AFAICT)
>>
>
> d) is the only option that worked for one of my machines. It used to
> run the nvidia driver, but stopped working when I upgraded it to
> squeeze and it tried to use the nouveau driver.
>
> Removing all traces of the nvidia driver and just using nouveau caused
> problems (I can't remember what they were now), but when I changed to
> the nv driver it was fine.
>
> I'll be upgrading that box to Wheezy soon and see if I can get it to
> work properly with nouveau then.

To make it clear, upgrading to Wheezy will be uninteresting for quite
some time, because it will have the same nouveau version as Squeeze for
the next few months.  If you want to test a newer version, you need to
upgrade the X stack as well as the kernel to the sid versions.

> Oddly, another similar box works fine with either the nvidia driver or
> nouveau.

What matters are the graphics card and the monitor (the latter usually
only if it's broken, e.g. reporting no or wrong EDID).

Sven


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Re: Console resolution

[Dom]

On 18/02/11 18:24, Camaleón wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:05:16 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:


On 02/18/2011 07:41 AM, Camaleón wrote:

By installing nvidia driver, "nuvó" should not be loaded.

Also, by disabling KMS (nouveau.modeset=0) "nuvó" should not load.



wow, I just looked at my new Squeeze xorg.conf device section. What is
the nouveau, and should we be using/not using it??

Section "Device"

(...)

  Driver"nvidia"

   ^^

You are not using "nuvó" at all but the nvidia driver :-)

To make this a bit more clear, nvidia card owners can run either:

a) KMS+nouveau
b) nvidia propietary driver
c) vesa/fb
d) nv (obsolete but still available, AFAICT)



d) is the only option that worked for one of my machines. It used to run 
the nvidia driver, but stopped working when I upgraded it to squeeze and 
it tried to use the nouveau driver.


Removing all traces of the nvidia driver and just using nouveau caused 
problems (I can't remember what they were now), but when I changed to 
the nv driver it was fine.


I'll be upgrading that box to Wheezy soon and see if I can get it to 
work properly with nouveau then. Oddly, another similar box works fine 
with either the nvidia driver or nouveau.


I'm not doing anything with it right now, because I like being able to 
watch MythTV. ;-)


Dom


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Re: squeeze fails to install

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 20:34 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  wrote:
> > on 19:30 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  
> >> wrote:
> >> > on 18:11 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius 
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > on 21:01 Wed 16 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:

> >> >> >> Every installation medium that I've tried fails. Those trials include
> >> >> >> net-install-iso, mini-iso, full-diskOne-iso. . .with both linux and
> >> >> >> bsd kernels.

> >> >> > Are you using the graphical or console installer?
> >> >>
> >> >> There was no option. It appeared graphical.
> >> >
> >> > You should have the option of selecting at boot time.
> >>
> >> I agree
> >
> > Agree or not, the option should be presented.  You might, say, rather
> > than being all agreeable and stuff, actually verify this on your
> > installation media by, say, booting it and checking.
> >
> 
> I did . . that is why I said that there was no option and agree that
> there should be one. I've indicated my install media in response to
> others and above.

Booting the Debian squeeze netinst ISO under qemu from
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso

... the first boot screen reads:

   debian
   The Universal Operating System

   Installer boot menu

   Install
   Graphical install
   Advanced options
   Help

The default selection is "Install" (the text installer).


On booting the installer and proceeding to the root password prompt,
switching to virtual console #2 (-), I find fdisk in /usr/sbin.


As my good friend HAL notes:  

"Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be
attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up
before and it has always been due to human error." 

http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/error.wav


Either you're not using the Debian Squeeze installer, or you're not
using it correctly.

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Re: cannot aptitude -t experimental install perl

[Dominic Hargreaves]

[this has nothing to do with aptitude]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 08:57:34AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> Gentlemen, I find no way to install the experimental version of perl.
> 
> # aptitude -t experimental install ~i~nperl
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   perl  perl-base  perl-doc  perl-modules
> 4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 89 not upgraded.
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   libcrypt-ssleay-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual package.
>   libparams-validate-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 which is a virtual package.
>   liblocale-gettext-perl: PreDepends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual 
> package.
>   libperl5.10: Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.1-17) but 5.12.3-1 is to be 
> installed.
>   libunicode-string-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual package.
> etc.
> 
> It gets tangled up with too many paths perl-base -> perlapi-* etc.

This is expected at the moment; all the packages depending on
perlapi-5.10.0 and libperl5.10 will need rebuilding for the new perl,
which will of course happen once it hits unstable. Work on this is
currently in progress.

At a pinch you may find

useful but please heed the warnings therein; unless you have a really
urgent need I recommend waiting until it's available in unstable.

Dominic.

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Re: Gnome, the screensaver and the lock screen background

[tony mollica]

Here's what I found.  Simple, actually.

The background image for the gnome-screensaver lock screen
appears to be linked to which background image theme is being
used at the time.  I changed the background theme (from right-
click,Change Desktop Background) and now I have the black
background that I was trying for.  At one point, I had the lock
screen background displaying the same image as the desktop
background, but that went away, I know not why.  Go figure.

On to the next problem, can't make changes to the Icedove
message filters that stay in place after an Icedove restart.

Used to be Linux kept all the configs in one place, easy to find
text files, easy to change.  Are there out of work micro$soft
engineers making contributions?



On 02/15/2011 10:48 PM, tony mollica wrote:

Hi.

I did find a few bits of information that weren't pertinent, much less
solve the
problem, but here it is:

How is the locked screen background manipulated for color or background
image? This is the screen where you come out of screensaver mode to the
login box that gets you back into the active session.

This is a fresh dist-upgrade to Debian 6-amd64 from a very minimal and
clean
Lenny-amd64 installation. Upgrade went very well, everything works, but
a plain
white (and very bright) re-login screen after coming out of the screensaver
is extremely annoying.

Any suggestions? The usual ones I've found don't work.


Thanks,

Tony




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Re: How long has your Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade taken?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Friday 18 February 2011 11:54:31 Mark wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
>  wrote:
> >  I'd say give yourself 4-8 hours follow the release notes though the
> > upgrade.
> 
> Did my first upgrade last night following the Release
> Notes, and this is pretty much exactly the estimate it took for me.
> 
> On a side note, my Lenny installation was 3.6 GB per clonezilla when I
> backed up before upgrading, but 5.9 GB after upgrading to Squeeze, with
> running apt-get autoremove per the Release Notes upon completion of the
> upgrade.  Am I missing a step after upgrading that helps get the footprint
> smaller?

Perhaps your package cache is still fairly big.  (apt-get clean) might help 
there.  Besides doing the auto-remove, finding "obsolete" packages and 
removing them can also help.  In particular, I think linux-headers* and linux-
image* are retained (for sanity reasons) even if they are marked auto but not 
listed as a dependency of any installed package.

I use aptitude for that task.  "obsolete" packages get their own section in 
the curses UI, to it is easy to mass-purge them.  Be careful though, purging 
postgresl-8.3 before you migrate fully to postgresql-8.4 will definitely cause 
problems.  So, make sure you are really not using those obsolete packages.

My Squeeze installations are larger than they were during Lenny, also.  
However, in my case I think it is because I (after the upgrade) used aptitude 
to make sure all my Recommends were satisfied, which brought in quite a few 
packages.  (Yes, I know I can auto-install Recommends, but many of them are 
OR'd dependencies and I like actively making the choice rather than having APT 
choose the default.)
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Re: Console resolution

[Stephen Powell]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:21:30 -0500 (EST), Chris Brennan wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> 
>> Blacklisting a module only prevents udev from loading it.  That's
>> because when udev loads a module it uses the "-b" switch of the
>> modprobe command.  However, when the X server loads a module,
>> it does not use the "-b" switch of modprobe.  They key is to get
>> the X server to not load it.
> 
> Well, even w/ nouveau in /etc/modpoobrobe.d/blacklist.conf, it is still
> being loaded by the kernel at boot. I need to ax  nouveau first as this is
> screwing up my console resolution as well as not displaying things in X
> correctly (unreadable in fact, but I am able to drop back to console and
> cleanly terminate X w/ '/etc/init.d/kdm stop'.

First of all, please reply to the list for the benefit of others following
the thread and so that the list archives can keep the thread tied together
(by using the "In-Reply-To" field in the message headers).  You sent this
as a private e-mail.  I'm putting it back on the list where it belongs.

Second, are you sure that you blacklisted it correctly?  I don't recommend
that you edit the Debian-supplied file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf,
or any other Debian-supplied file in this directory, as that could change
with a future package upgrade.  What I did was create a file called
/etc/modprobe.d/local.conf.  (The file name can be anything, but the
extension must be ".conf".)  Its contents are as follows:

   blacklist nouveau
   options nouveau modeset=0

The first statement prevents udev from loading the module.  The second
statement sets KMS off in case the module somehow gets loaded anyway.
The X server won't use the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau driver if KMS is off.

Also, make sure that /etc/modprobe.conf does NOT exist.  If it does,
it will override the files in the /etc/modprobe.d directory.  Finally,
you must re-build your initial RAM file system, since these files are
included in the initial RAM file system.  After making the above
changes, issue

   update-initramfs -uk `uname -r`

Then run your boot loader installer, if necessary.  Then shutdown and
reboot.  Do all this as root of course.

>> 
>> I couldn't use nouveau either because my monitor requires an interlaced
>> video mode.  The nouveau driver apparently doesn't support interlacing,
>> or at least the version I tried at the time did not.  Create a file
>> called /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put the following in it:
>>
>> Section "Device"
>> Identifier  "Configured Video Device"
>> Driver  "nv"
>> EndSection
>>
>> If your video card chipset is old enough to be supported by the
>> free nv driver, which Nvidia no longer maintains, this should work.
>> If the nv driver won't work, you can try a more generic driver,
>> such as vesa.
> 
> Sadly, the GeForce Mobile card in my laptop will only work with the non-free
> drivers from nVidia. I did get the free drivers to work a few times w/
> Fedora Core 9 - 12 but I never figured out how.

It should work with the vesa driver.  All modern video cards are supposed
to be vesa-capable.  Just change "nv" to "vesa" in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
file as I outlined above.  Of course, performance will not be great, since
it is unaccelerated, but at least it will give you a functional desktop
to work with until you can get the proprietary drivers working.

I saw in another post that you are thinking of compiling a custom kernel.
I don't think it will be necessary to do that.  But if you need or want
to compile a custom kernel, here's a link that explains the "Debian way"
(or at least one Debian way) to compile a custom kernel.  It even has
an example which includes the proprietary Nvidia drivers.  (See the
section titled "A Specific Example".)

   http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm

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Re: xterm question

[David Jardine]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 01:26:37PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:39:39AM -0800, Mike McClain wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 02:56:42AM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> > 
> > uxterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-*-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
> > I've looked at the man pages for xterm and uxterm and can see that
> > '-fn' sets the font but have yet to find the explaination for the
> > '-*-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*' part of that line. 
> > 
> I got that from xfontsel.  I'm not an expert, so there may be a better
> way of describing the font.
 
man X and search for FONT NAMES.  This gives a simple introduction.

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Re: Adding /dev/usb/lp0 in CUPS

[Roger Leigh]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:57:47PM -0500, Wayne Topa wrote:
> On 02/18/2011 12:03 PM, Sthu Deus wrote:
> >Good day.
> >
> >I have a lpt-printer connected through lpt-to-usb adapter (OS sees it
> >as /dev/usb/lp0) to my local host. Trying to add it through cups web
> >interface I see no local usb options. My question is how I can
> >accomplish my goal?
> >
> 
> Not enough info supplied to assist you, as is usual from you.
> 
> Have you installed the required PPD Files?
> 
> "Exactly" what steps did you attempt in the cups interface?
> 
> Did you Google for help before asking here?
> 
> I ask this because your post reminded me that I had not yet setup my
> printer on squeeze.  I also use a usb adapter and had is running in
> less then 5 minutes using the cups interface after I read your post.

It certainly won't show up as "/dev/usp/lp0" when you create it
in the web interface; it uses the libusb device name which will
include the manufacturer and/or model.

Run /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb to get the complete list of
USB-attached printers.


Regards,
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Re: Remmina can't connect to a "dormant" VNC account

[Klistvud]

Dne, 18. 02. 2011 18:29:36 je Liam O'Toole napisal(a):

On 2011-02-18, Klistvud  wrote:
> Howdie, fellow Debianites!
>
> This post is about two stock Squeeze installs and establishing a  
remote
> desktop VNC connection between them. I'm using the stock Remmina  
client
> for connecting from a Squeeze laptop to a Squeeze desktop. However,  
I
> wanted to have a remote connection while letting any local user  
remain
> logged on locally on the server. As it is, I can only connect  
remotely
> when no user is at the remote machine, i.e. I can only connect to  
the
> foreground account on the remote machine. Otherwise, all I get on  
the

> client is a black screen. The tab in Remmina says I'm logged onto
> guest@remoteserver, but the Remmina window just stays black. Is this
> the intended mode of operation? Or, in other words: can I connect  
to a

> "background" remote session, leaving the foreground session/user
> unaffected? I don't want to have to kick local users off just in  
order
> to be able to connect remotely. What must I do to achieve that? It  
was

> my understanding that, with VNC, you could even have *several* users
> connected remotely at the same time? I can't seem to even have  
*one*...

>
> P.S. Yes, I *have* logged out and in again. Still no dice.
>
> TIA

You can run any number of VNC servers in the background using the
vncserver command (from the package vnc4server or tightvncserver).  
There
are several examples of its usage on the web. Here's one that popped  
up

in a web search:

http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TightVNC


Thanks for the link. Installing tightvncserver did it.

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Re: Console resolution

[Pier Paolo]

2011/2/18 Camaleón 

> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:40:40 +0100, Pier Paolo wrote:
>
> > 2011/2/18 Camaleón
> >
> >> By installing nvidia driver, "nuvó" should not be loaded.
> >>
> >> Also, by disabling KMS (nouveau.modeset=0) "nuvó" should not load.
> >>
> > At least in Debian Lenny and Fedora 12 it was not so simple as said in
> > debian wiki or by you;
>
> That's hard to believe... Lenny's stock kernel does not enable KMS at
> all ;-)
>
> > i tried hard to find the easy way, but it turns
> > out that recompile the kernel without support for staging drivers /
> > nouveau was the sensefull thing, even if pretty hard to mantain in
> > fedora. donnow about squeeze now. (running ati)
>
> What is what you "tried hard", exactly?
>
> from rescue mode chrooting to recompile kernel after a not even
system-base-install alternate cd netinstall.
Booting from hard disk resulted in complete unusable system with vt blanked
out


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Re: Console resolution

[Paul Cartwright]

  Driver"nvidia"
 

   ^^

You are not using "nuvó" at all but the nvidia driver:-)
   

right, I knew that.


To make this a bit more clear, nvidia card owners can run either:

a) KMS+nouveau
   

so, what is this, why would I want it?


b) nvidia propietary driver
c) vesa/fb
d) nv (obsolete but still available, AFAICT)
   
I don't know if nv is still available in squeeze, I would imagine it is, 
but I hope I never have to use it!


   



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Re: Moving Lenny from Virtual Machine to Physical

[Roman Gelfand]

Thanks a lot your help.  The find command didn't help but rest of the
information did.  I went to /dev directory and it was easy to figure
out the drive there.  I followed the rest of your instructions and it
worked like a charm.

Thanks

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:32:42 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>> You can then return to GRUB menu (Esc) and (e)dit the line accordingly
>> and (b)oot. Once you're in, edit "/etc/fstab" to update the new device
>                                    ^^
> Hum... my bad. That should read "Once you're in, edit "/boot/grub/
> menu.lst" instead.
>
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Re: Squeeze install hangs reading CD drive

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:50:34 +, Steve Kleene wrote:

> For the record, I did submit a bug report on this (bug #613835).

Nice! :-)

I'm curious to see how it goes.

(...and thanks, I think that's the way to go when a problem arises and 
affects some users)

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Re: Hardware needed for home network

[Chris Davies]

John Hasler  wrote:
> If the modem is configured as a bridge it won't speak IP to the server:
> just PPP (over ethernet).  To get to the Internet via the modem the
> other systems would need to speak PPP.

So it's possible to bypass the "firewall" by using PPP? Ugh
Chris


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Re: xterm question

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:39:39AM -0800, Mike McClain wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 02:56:42AM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> > 
> > but I don't do bind much..  just thought I'd tell Mike that nothing in
> > the stupid computer is ???above his head???.. 
> 
> Thanks Chris for the vote of confidence.
> Since I've programmed in awk, several versions of basic (5?), C,
> Forth, fortran and Perl and debugged assembly and Pascal and
> built or repaired hundreds of processor boards, I don't really 
> think anything to do with computers is beyond my reach.
> 
> That said the complexities of 'nix is a broad subject and though
> I've been a user for many years there is still so much I don't
> know that it's easy to get overwhelmed. Rob's shortcut for instance:
> uxterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-*-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
> I've looked at the man pages for xterm and uxterm and can see that
> '-fn' sets the font but have yet to find the explaination for the
> '-*-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*' part of that line. 
> 
I got that from xfontsel.  I'm not an expert, so there may be a better
way of describing the font.

I was away for a while and have some catching up to do.  I'll try to
provide more info later (I have to dig for it).

(Sorry for the direct reply, Mike).

-Rob


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Re: Console resolution

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:05:16 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

> On 02/18/2011 07:41 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>> By installing nvidia driver, "nuvó" should not be loaded.
>>
>> Also, by disabling KMS (nouveau.modeset=0) "nuvó" should not load.
>>
>>
> wow, I just looked at my new Squeeze xorg.conf device section. What is
> the nouveau, and should we be using/not using it??
> 
> Section "Device"
(...)
>  Driver"nvidia"
  ^^

You are not using "nuvó" at all but the nvidia driver :-)

To make this a bit more clear, nvidia card owners can run either:

a) KMS+nouveau
b) nvidia propietary driver
c) vesa/fb
d) nv (obsolete but still available, AFAICT)

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Re: Console resolution

[Paul Cartwright]

On 02/18/2011 07:41 AM, Camaleón wrote:

By installing nvidia driver, "nuvó" should not be loaded.

Also, by disabling KMS (nouveau.modeset=0) "nuvó" should not load.

Greetings,
   
wow, I just looked at my new Squeeze xorg.conf device section. What is 
the nouveau, and should we be using/not using it??


Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "SWcursor"   # []
#Option "HWcursor"   # []
#Option "NoAccel"# []
#Option "ShadowFB"   # []
#Option "UseFBDev"   # []
#Option "Rotate" # []
#Option "VideoKey"   # 
#Option "FlatPanel"  # []
#Option "FPDither"   # []
#Option "CrtcNumber" # 
#Option "FPScale"# []
#Option "FPTweak"# 
#Option "DualHead"   # []
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver"nvidia"
Option  "Coolbits""1"
Option  "AddARGBGLXVisuals""true"
Option  "TripleBuffer""false"
VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
BoardName   "G72 [GeForce 7300 LE]"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection


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Re: [slightly OT] I'm thinking about this piece of kit - how well will Debian work with it?

[Doug]

On 02/18/2011 07:28 AM, Camaleón wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:11:30 +, AG wrote:


I'm seriously considering this laptop
http://3dguy.tv/toshiba-3d-enabled-laptop/ and wiping it clean of
Windows (or dual booting) with Debian.

Given the specs of the hardware, what is the likely quality of
experience for the user with a Debian testing installation and what
would likely be the best way of enabling as many of its whizz-bang
features as possible?

Are you sure nvidia provides drivers for linux with their 3D vision kit?
I would first ensure about this point because it seems there two
different sets:

3D Vision home (can't see linux listed there)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html

3D vision Pro (linux appears as supported)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro_pro_graphics_boards_linux.html

Greetings,


In the first post, which I've now lost, the op mentioned removing Windows.
I would suggest that this is a very bad idea:  if you want to use 3D, it is
virtually certain that every ap written for 3D will be written for Windows,
for the foreseeable future.  Like it or not, that's the way the ball 
bounces!


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Re: Adding /dev/usb/lp0 in CUPS

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:03:11 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:

> I have a lpt-printer connected through lpt-to-usb adapter (OS sees it as
> /dev/usb/lp0) to my local host. Trying to add it through cups web
> interface I see no local usb options. My question is how I can
> accomplish my goal?

How about...?

1/ Restarting the CUPS service and then try again.
2/ Connect the printer to another USB port and try again.

Run "lpinfo -l -v" to get the current "visible-and-available" CUPS 
backends.

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Re: Adding /dev/usb/lp0 in CUPS

[Wayne Topa]

On 02/18/2011 12:03 PM, Sthu Deus wrote:

Good day.

I have a lpt-printer connected through lpt-to-usb adapter (OS sees it
as /dev/usb/lp0) to my local host. Trying to add it through cups web
interface I see no local usb options. My question is how I can
accomplish my goal?



Not enough info supplied to assist you, as is usual from you.

Have you installed the required PPD Files?

"Exactly" what steps did you attempt in the cups interface?

Did you Google for help before asking here?

I ask this because your post reminded me that I had not yet setup my 
printer on squeeze.  I also use a usb adapter and had is running in less 
then 5 minutes using the cups interface after I read your post.


WT




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Re: How long has your Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade taken?

[Mark]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <
b...@iguanasuicide.net> wrote:

>
>  I'd say give yourself 4-8 hours follow the release notes though the
> upgrade.
> You can upgrade multiple systems at once.  Most of this time is spent
> waiting,
> so you can do multiple systems at once.  There will be occasional debconf
> prompts, so it's difficult to completely automate and you'll need to keep
> the
> systems you are working on straight.
>

Thank you Stephen.  Did my first upgrade last night following the Release
Notes, and this is pretty much exactly the estimate it took for me.  I run
about as vanilla of a Lenny system as possible, and the only hiccup was with
fstab not mounting my vfat storage partition (the "noauto" option worked in
Lenny, but Squeeze did not auto-mount the drive, so I changed to "auto").

On a side note, my Lenny installation was 3.6 GB per clonezilla when I
backed up before upgrading, but 5.9 GB after upgrading to Squeeze, with
running apt-get autoremove per the Release Notes upon completion of the
upgrade.  Am I missing a step after upgrading that helps get the footprint
smaller?

Re: reboot hangs

[Sebastian Gibb]

On Friday 18 February 2011 17:15:01 Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:43:20 +0100, Sebastian Gibb wrote:
> > I have a debian squeeze on a Intel Atom D525 Board. shutdown -h now
> > works quite well but
> > reboot or shutdown -r now fails
> 
> (...)
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&complete=0&site=webhp&source
> =hp&q=Atom+D525+linux+reboot+fails&btnG=Search
> 
> Hum... I would definitively check for any BIOS update :-)
> 
> Greetings,
thanks, a bios update (BIOS Update [MWPNT10N.86A]) solve this problem.

Bye,

Sebastian


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Re: How long has your Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade taken?

[Paul Cartwright]

On 02/17/2011 06:33 PM, Mark wrote:
Realizing this is dependent on computer specs, just curious what some 
of the people on this list have experienced for how much time it took 
to do the Lenny to Squeeze upgrade, (assuming a fully up-to-date Lenny 
system).


well, I just finished doing that very same thing. My system crashed last 
night about 8pm. I , uh, messed up my lenny installation a bit.. it 
wouldn't boot to X... so from 9pm-midnight I worked on it, went to bed, 
started back this morning & another 3 hours, I finally got it 
functioning like days of old.


I had issues with:
running out of root disk space, so I spent an hour removing packages
not being able for my user to log in ( switched from gdm to kdm, and it 
worked)
partitions not being mounted ( /etc/fstab entries it didn't like. 
changed the to say "defaults" and it worked again)

installed trinity-kde3.5 so my wife could use her old kde3 kmail app..

so I am back on my gnome desktop, squeeze installed, right now.

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Re: I want beep in urxvt terminal

[Csanyi Pal]

Alan Greenberger  writes:

> On 2011-02-17, Csanyi Pal  wrote:
>> Csanyi Pal  writes:
>
>> That was yesterday.
>> Today after I start my Desktop Machine, try again and there is no
>> beep again!

Moreover, I uninstalled yesterday NVIDIA driver ( as root on console run
the command 'nvidia-uninstall'), and have installed nouveau using
package manager: aptitude:
i   xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

Still haven't beep on xterminals. :(

> Wild guess.  What does
> bind -V | grep 'bell-style'
> show?

$ bind -V | grep 'bell-style'
bell-style is set to `audible'

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Re: Console resolution

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:40:40 +0100, Pier Paolo wrote:

> 2011/2/18 Camaleón
> 
>> By installing nvidia driver, "nuvó" should not be loaded.
>>
>> Also, by disabling KMS (nouveau.modeset=0) "nuvó" should not load.
>>
> At least in Debian Lenny and Fedora 12 it was not so simple as said in
> debian wiki or by you; 

That's hard to believe... Lenny's stock kernel does not enable KMS at 
all ;-)

> i tried hard to find the easy way, but it turns
> out that recompile the kernel without support for staging drivers /
> nouveau was the sensefull thing, even if pretty hard to mantain in
> fedora. donnow about squeeze now. (running ati)

What is what you "tried hard", exactly?

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Re: squeeze upgrade- user can't login

[Paul Cartwright]

On 02/18/2011 09:44 AM, Camaleón wrote:

ok, so I trashed my Lenny system somehow. Decided to upgrade to squeeze.
>  Now my user cannot login anymore. Other users CAN, guest, my wife... I
>  have renamed .gnome2 .gconfg , not sure where to go from here.
 

Not enough data:-)

You can't login into...

a) GNOME session
or
b) system -from console/tty1-?

And what error are you getting?

Anyway, you should review your logs ("~/.xsession-errors" or "/var/log/
auth|syslog).

Greetings,
   
again, all is well again.. changed from gdm to KDM and I could log back 
in again. Might have been the reboot too.. right now, I have no idea, 
too many changes.
I am running squeeze with kde3-trinity, but I use gnome to log in, and I 
have my old desktop back.



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Re: screen resolution in Squeeze?

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 17:16 Fri 18 Feb, Lars Nielsen (l...@lfweb.dk) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have just installed squeeze and it seems to work fine. But my screen
> resolution is to low! I have a 24" wide screen and I can "only" set the
> resolution to 1280x1024. Where or how do I get the right resolution on
> 1920x1080 ?

First:  video hardware?  Which driver are you using?

Second:  try xrandr.  Running it should show available modes, and you
can often switch interactively to the mode you want.  I'd do that
/before/ mucking with /etc/X11/xorg.conf

If that doesn't work, attach /var/log/Xorg.0.log to your next followup.

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Re: squeeze fails to install

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 20:34 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  wrote:
> > on 19:30 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  
> >> wrote:
> >> > I'll generally constrain my followup to the earlier thread rather than
> >> > propogating two separate ones.
> >> >
> >> > on 18:11 Thu 17 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius 
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > on 21:01 Wed 16 Feb, Neal Hogan (nealho...@gmail.com) wrote:

> >> >> >> Background: I've had Lenny on this particualr machine
> >> >> >> installing/running just fine. I was able to upgrade from Lenny to
> >> >> >> Squeeze with no problem. The fresh install is the problem. My machine
> >> >> >> is an early 2000's HP pavilion (ze4400). Why doesn't the install
> >> >> >> script partition my hard drive?

> >> Yes, yes . . . clearly unexpected. The error forces me back to the
> >> partition stage. I suppose I can choose the next step of the
> >> installation, but I didn't feel it was appropriate given the lake of
> >> partitions.
> >
> > It's not that you don't have partitions, but that you haven't changed
> > the state of the partition(s) which previously existed.
> >
> > Sometimes staggering on is the better part of valour.
> >
> 
> This is not a quest for the holy grail ;-)

The Debian installation process is highly modular, very regular, follows
a number of steps, and is something I've gone through many times (though
not, I'll admit, with the most recent netinst, so I may be missing
specifics).  There are some steps which, if they fail, aren't
particularly deleterious.  If you can't create new partitions but have a
serviceable partitioning schema on the system, it's perfectly acceptable
to just roll with that and proceed to the next step.

And, again, I've gone through enough installations over the years that I
more-or-less roll with the punches.  So long as I end up with something
on disk which can access Debian archives over available networking, I
can sculpt up the system from there.  The long-term benefits of Debian
management and administration are almost always worth any front-loaded
pain (and that front-loaded pain is pretty minimal these days).

We're also talking about 10 year old hardware here, with a market value
of approximately nil.

No holy grails were harmed in the installation of any Debian systems on
my watch.

 
> >> >> > Have you tried shelling out (alt-F2 generally) to partition and create
> >> >> > filesystems yourself?
> >> >>
> >> >> yes, fdisk/cfdisk is not an available comand.
> >> >
> >> > Hrm  I thought it was.  May be some other utility.  Check the usual
> >> > places (/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, busybox) for available
> >> > utilities.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I checked and couldn't find them. I was surprised.
> >
> > I'd have to poke around in the installer (and you'd have to indicate
> > which installer you're using) and/or install package to verify this
> > myself.  Color me surprised though.
> >
> 
> whichever installer is in the (x86) net-install, disk-one, mini.iso .
> . . both linux and BSD kernels . . . from the default debian.org links
> (i.e., the ones that you get from following the links on debian.org)

Again: specificity is key to resolving technical issues.  The URL you
obtained that from would be a most appropriate inclusion to your post
(and/or forthcoming bug report).

Perhaps?
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso

Again: color me surprised at the lack of partitioning tools.  I'll try
looking at it later today.
 

> >> >> > Are you using the graphical or console installer?
> >> >>
> >> >> There was no option. It appeared graphical.
> >> >
> >> > You should have the option of selecting at boot time.
> >>
> >> I agree
> >
> > Agree or not, the option should be presented.  You might, say, rather
> > than being all agreeable and stuff, actually verify this on your
> > installation media by, say, booting it and checking.
> >
> 
> I did . . that is why I said that there was no option and agree that
> there should be one. I've indicated my install media in response to
> others and above.

That wasn't clear from your response.

And when I said "should", it was in the sense of "the documentation
explicitly refers to it".  If that option isn't presented, it's clearly
a bug.  I suspect user error.
 
> Dr Ed, 

Please, my friends call me "Dred"

> I sincerely appreciate your effort. Honestly, I feel that I've given
> enough info, given that i had a working system a week ago with Lenny
> and squeeze (via upgrade) and the fact that I've been able to install
> other OS's (oBSD, fedora, gentoo) without a problem.

Sure, your call.  I'm following on as I'm curious as to the specifics of
the problem.  That said:  the debian-installer team works very hard to
make the process as foolproof as possible, it really /

Re: Unable to mount [device] Not Authorized

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2011-02-18, Chris  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 06:05:22PM +0800, Michael Tsang wrote:
>> On Wednesday 16 February 2011 16:37:09 Chris wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> > 
>> > Since I do a normal update, I can't mount my flash drive from
>> > nautilus. It works before.
>> > The error message is:
>> > 
>> > Unable to mount [device]
>> > Not Authorized
>> Is it something related to PolicyKit?
>
> Could you please explain more?
> I have configured policykit before.
>
> I have /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/50-localauthority.conf
> with the contents:
> [filesystems mount internal privs]
> Identity=unix-group:mygroup
> Action=org.freedesktop.udisks.filesystem-mount-system-internal
> ResultAny=no
> ResultInactive=no
> ResultActive=yes
>
> It enabled me to mount my internal drives in nautilus without typing
> the admin password. But it doesn't work now.
>
>

According to the pklocalauthority man page (in squeeze), that file
should have a .pkla extension and its name must be unique.

Worth a try.

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Re: screen resolution in Squeeze?

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:16:06 +0100, Lars Nielsen wrote:

> I have just installed squeeze and it seems to work fine. But my screen
> resolution is to low! I have a 24" wide screen and I can "only" set the
> resolution to 1280x1024. Where or how do I get the right resolution on
> 1920x1080 ?

First, ensure the VGA driver you are loading is the right one ("grep -i 
gpu /var/log/Xorg.0.log" will tell).

If all is right ("right"= you are loading the proper driver for your 
card), run "xrandr" and put here the ouput.

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Re: Console resolution

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Camaleón wrote:

El 2011-02-18 a las 10:33 -0500, Chris Brennan escribió:


On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Camaleón wrote:


By installing nvidia driver, "nuvó" should not be loaded.


the non-free nvidia driver script/installer dies, complaining that nouveau
is present and needs to be removed first, this is what I need to know how to
do. I've tried my usual linux methods with no success (and no real
point reiterating them here). Suffice it to say, I *NEED* to know the
debian/debian-correct way of doing this as my methods have proven
unsuccessful.


Nvidia's own installer (the one you get when downloading the driver 
from nvidia site) needs some things to be before installing it:


One is you drop your X session and the other is that you have to 
disable nuvó, yes (additional -and well explained- information can be 
found here):


http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/260.19.36/README/installdriver.html



and you need to install the kernel-headers package.

Hugo



But you can also install the Nvidia driver by using Debian's own 
packages which should automatically disable nuvó+KMS.


http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers


Also, by disabling KMS (nouveau.modeset=0) "nuvó" should not load.


KMS? What is this? where is nouveau.modeset=0 set? In what file?


KMS stands for Kernel Mode Setting, a new way for the kernel to manage 
the graphics of the system... well, sort of :-P


http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting

In brief, newer kernels enable by default the kernel mode setting so if 
you need to disable it, you can append the aforementioned line to 
Grub's menu at boot time.
 

P.S. Please keep in mind, I am trying to learn the debian-way of doing
things so please be explicit when offering hints.


Reading the wiki helps a lot ;-)

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Re: Lenny and 2TB USB drive

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:36:11 -0600, John Salmon wrote:

> I'm still living comfortably in Lenny-land. I tried to attach a 2 TB USB
> drive to both of my Linux systems with no success. The drive formats to
> ext3 format using mke2fs with no problem, but won't mount for use. The
> same procedure works fine with 1 IB drives on either system. I assume
> this is a limitation with the installed USB drivers. Is this something
> that will be taken care of in the near future? I wanted to use the 2 TB
> drive as backup for my 1 TB drives, plus backup to upgrade from Lenny.

Hum... did you create the partition table before formatting?

BTW, what does "dmesg" say when you connect the drive?

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Re: Remmina can't connect to a "dormant" VNC account

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2011-02-18, Klistvud  wrote:
> Howdie, fellow Debianites!
>
> This post is about two stock Squeeze installs and establishing a remote  
> desktop VNC connection between them. I'm using the stock Remmina client  
> for connecting from a Squeeze laptop to a Squeeze desktop. However, I  
> wanted to have a remote connection while letting any local user remain  
> logged on locally on the server. As it is, I can only connect remotely  
> when no user is at the remote machine, i.e. I can only connect to the  
> foreground account on the remote machine. Otherwise, all I get on the  
> client is a black screen. The tab in Remmina says I'm logged onto  
> guest@remoteserver, but the Remmina window just stays black. Is this  
> the intended mode of operation? Or, in other words: can I connect to a  
> "background" remote session, leaving the foreground session/user  
> unaffected? I don't want to have to kick local users off just in order  
> to be able to connect remotely. What must I do to achieve that? It was  
> my understanding that, with VNC, you could even have *several* users  
> connected remotely at the same time? I can't seem to even have *one*...
>
> P.S. Yes, I *have* logged out and in again. Still no dice.
>
> TIA

You can run any number of VNC servers in the background using the
vncserver command (from the package vnc4server or tightvncserver). There
are several examples of its usage on the web. Here's one that popped up
in a web search:

http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TightVNC

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Re: I want beep in urxvt terminal - SOLVED

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 02/17/2011 08:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:20:25 -0600
Ron Johnson  wrote:

Hello Ron,


Exactly...  (And yes, I do have module pcspkr loaded.)


Same here.  Maybe Joe's suggestion of using nouveau rather than nvidia
would help.  Assuming you use the NVidia driver, of course.

I've yet to try it myself.



Yes, I use nvidia, and no I won't use nouveau.



with good reason... I just did a d-i install of Squeeze and the 
partition created hangs during boot because nouveau is used since my 
videocard is an nVidia GeForce 8400 GS. Solved by blacklisting it and 
doing nouveau.modeset=0 in grub.


Hugo


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Re: Kodak scanner not found or not working

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:31:52 +0100
Thierry de Coulon  wrote:

Hello Thierry,

> I enabled it in /etc/default/saned, but I have _big_ problems to find
> the scanner. Scantwain sometime finds it, some time not. Xsane says no
> scanner 

First thing to check is that the user is a member of the 'scanner'
group.  Without that, you won't get far.

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Re: screen resolution in Squeeze?

[Jeffrin Jose]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 05:16:06PM +0100, Lars Nielsen wrote:
> I have just installed squeeze and it seems to work fine. But my screen
> resolution is to low! I have a 24" wide screen and I can "only" set the
> resolution to 1280x1024. Where or how do I get the right resolution on
> 1920x1080 ?

You can edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Scroll
down to the "Screen" section and change to your
desired resolution. Also check if  you have the
correct driver installed for your display card.

/Jeffrin.

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Re: Kodak scanner not found or not working

[Jeffrin Jose]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 05:31:52PM +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
> I enabled it in /etc/default/saned, but I have _big_ problems to find the 
> scanner. Scantwain sometime finds it, some time not. Xsane says no scanner 
> found. gscan2pdf lists the scanner but can't set the optionsa and (mostly) 
> refuses to scan.
> 
I have not used saned, but i think you do not have
sufficient permissions to access it.May be that is
why Xsane could not find it, and gscan2pdf cannot
set options...

/Jeffrin

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removed drive from mdadm raid 5 array after reboot

[Mike Viau]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone had come across an issue where after rebooting the 
system, mdadm is failing to reassemble the entire raid 5 array with all the 
drives. I am getting the array up with just /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, but the 
array is degraded as a consequence to missing /dev/sdd (which I assume has 
become the parity drive). Below is some information that I believe will help 
display my situation. Your help is greatly appreciated, TIA :)

mdadm -V
mdadm - v3.1.4 - 31st August 2010
(Debian Version: Version: 3.1.4-1+8efb9d1)


uname -a
Linux XEN-HOST 2.6.32.26-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Dec 2 00:20:03 EST 2010 x86_64 
GNU/Linux


mdadm --detail /dev/md0
/dev/md0:
    Version : 1.2
  Creation Time : Mon Dec 20 09:48:07 2010
 Raid Level : raid5
 Array Size : 1953517568 (1863.02 GiB 2000.40 GB)
  Used Dev Size : 976758784 (931.51 GiB 1000.20 GB)
   Raid Devices : 3
  Total Devices : 2
    Persistence : Superblock is persistent

    Update Time : Fri Feb 18 12:27:09 2011
  State : clean, degraded
 Active Devices : 2
Working Devices : 2
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0

 Layout : left-symmetric
 Chunk Size : 512K

   Name : XEN-HOST:0  (local to host XEN-HOST)
   UUID : 7d8a7c68:95a230d0:0a8f6e74:4c8f81e9
 Events : 32122

    Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
   0   8    1    0  active sync   /dev/sda1
   1   8   17    1  active sync   /dev/sdb1
   2   0    0    2  removed  
< Missing drive



fdisk -luc /dev/sda

Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x411fb12e

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1  63  1953520064   976760001   fd  Linux raid autodetect



fdisk -luc /dev/sdb

Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x02f65de3

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1  63  1953520064   976760001   fd  Linux raid autodetect



fdisk -luc /dev/sdd

Disk /dev/sdd: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
81 heads, 63 sectors/track, 382818 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x8b0c29c7

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdd1    2048  1953525167   976761560   fd  Linux raid autodetect




cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf 
# mdadm.conf
#
# Please refer to mdadm.conf(5) for information about this file.
#

# by default, scan all partitions (/proc/partitions) for MD superblocks.
# alternatively, specify devices to scan, using wildcards if desired.
DEVICE partitions

# auto-create devices with Debian standard permissions
CREATE owner=root group=disk mode=0660 auto=yes

# automatically tag new arrays as belonging to the local system
HOMEHOST 

# instruct the monitoring daemon where to send mail alerts
MAILADDR root

# definitions of existing MD arrays
ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=7d8a7c68:95a230d0:0a8f6e74:4c8f81e9 
name=XEN-HOST:0


-M


  

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Re: What Would Cause Poor Performance (Remmina) Over SSH?

[Gilbert Sullivan]

On 02/18/2011 10:21 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote:

On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 10:15 -0500, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

>

Use of compression had a discernible effect. To be honest I really
didn't expect it to help. This is a pretty fast network. It's still
slower than tsclient, but it's acceptable now. Without compression the
screen drawing delays are really obnoxious.

I wonder if there really is that much difference in the amount of
traffic passed by remmina (FreeRDP) vs. tsclient (rdesktop) over the SSH
connection. I should do some reading. Maybe FreeRDP is using an
implementation of the protocol that's more like version 6. I understand
that rdesktop was sitting at version 5.

Thank you again, Camaleón.

Should I put a [SOLVED] in the message title?



Would you kindly share your findings.  We have been somewhat distressed
over rdesktop and were hoping to change to FreeRDP as it matures.  If I
recall correctly, you mentioned there was no discernible difference when
running locally.  Is that correct? Thanks - John



Well, I wouldn't say that there is *no* discernible difference in speed 
of remote Windows sessions between tsclient and remmina. It's just that 
it's not an annoying difference.


Yesterday, when I was running remmina on a remote Debian box via SSH 
with X forwarding those remote Windows sessions were slow enough to make 
me want to gouge my eyes out. It would be usable for performing isolated 
tasks, but not something I'd tolerate using for a couple of hours every day.


Now that I'm using the -C switch when creating my SSH sessions, there's 
a considerable improvement in speed of the remote systems' user 
interfaces. But the slowed pace of window redrawing is still bothersome 
in management applications like dnsmgmt when "walking" the tree.


I seldom touch the mouse, even when using Windows. I do everything with 
keystrokes. With tsclient/rdekstop, remote Windows sessions tunneled 
over SSH were quick, with application windows responding virtually as 
fast as I could move my hands on the keyboard.


Using remmina locally on my notebook to connect directly to the Active 
Directory systems is pretty good. It's not blazing fast, but it's not 
slow enough to rouse my ire.


Using remmina remotely on another Debian box via SSH with X forwarding 
yesterday was (almost) intolerable. Today, using compression on the X 
session as suggested by Camaleón is definitely tolerable. Some applets 
(like dnsmgmt) still definitely require some patience on my part, but 
it's doable.


I really wouldn't have expected using compression with SSH to make a 
difference. This makes me suspect that there's a heck of a lot more 
traffic being used in these RDP connections than there used to be. I 
don't have time to try to quantify this with testing right now. Actually 
-- since I no longer have tsclient / rdesktop installed on anything -- I 
guess I'm out of luck for doing a comparison!


HTH

Regards,
Gilbert


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Adding /dev/usb/lp0 in CUPS

[Sthu Deus]

Good day.

I have a lpt-printer connected through lpt-to-usb adapter (OS sees it
as /dev/usb/lp0) to my local host. Trying to add it through cups web
interface I see no local usb options. My question is how I can
accomplish my goal?

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screen resolution in Squeeze?

[Lars Nielsen]

Hi,

I have just installed squeeze and it seems to work fine. But my screen
resolution is to low! I have a 24" wide screen and I can "only" set the
resolution to 1280x1024. Where or how do I get the right resolution on
1920x1080 ?

regards 
Lars Nielsen
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Removed drive from mdadm raid 5 array after reboot

[Mike Viau]

> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone had come across an issue where after rebooting the 
> system, mdadm is failing to reassemble the entire raid 5 array with all the 
> drives. I am getting the array up with just /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, but the 
> array is degraded as a consequence to missing /dev/sdd (which I assume has 
> become the parity drive). Below is some information that I believe will help 
> display my situation. Your help is greatly appreciated, TIA :)
>
> mdadm -V
> mdadm - v3.1.4 - 31st August 2010
> (Debian Version: Version: 3.1.4-1+8efb9d1)
>
>
> uname -a
> Linux XEN-HOST 2.6.32.26-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Dec 2 00:20:03 EST 2010 x86_64 
> GNU/Linux
>
>
> mdadm --detail /dev/md0
> /dev/md0:
> Version : 1.2
>   Creation Time : Mon Dec 20 09:48:07 2010
>  Raid Level : raid5
>  Array Size : 1953517568 (1863.02 GiB 2000.40 GB)
>   Used Dev Size : 976758784 (931.51 GiB 1000.20 GB)
>Raid Devices : 3
>   Total Devices : 2
> Persistence : Superblock is persistent
>
> Update Time : Fri Feb 18 12:27:09 2011
>   State : clean, degraded
>  Active Devices : 2
> Working Devices : 2
>  Failed Devices : 0
>   Spare Devices : 0
>
>  Layout : left-symmetric
>  Chunk Size : 512K
>
>Name : XEN-HOST:0  (local to host XEN-HOST)
>UUID : 7d8a7c68:95a230d0:0a8f6e74:4c8f81e9
>  Events : 32122
>
> Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
>0   810  active sync   /dev/sda1
>1   8   171  active sync   /dev/sdb1
>2   002  removed  
> < Missing drive
>
>
>
> fdisk -luc /dev/sda
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x411fb12e
>
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1  63  1953520064   976760001   fd  Linux raid autodetect
>
>
>
> fdisk -luc /dev/sdb
>
> Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x02f65de3
>
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1  63  1953520064   976760001   fd  Linux raid autodetect
>
>
>
> fdisk -luc /dev/sdd
>
> Disk /dev/sdd: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
> 81 heads, 63 sectors/track, 382818 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x8b0c29c7
>
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdd12048  1953525167   976761560   fd  Linux raid autodetect
>
>
>
>
> cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
> # mdadm.conf
> #
> # Please refer to mdadm.conf(5) for information about this file.
> #
>
> # by default, scan all partitions (/proc/partitions) for MD superblocks.
> # alternatively, specify devices to scan, using wildcards if desired.
> DEVICE partitions
>
> # auto-create devices with Debian standard permissions
> CREATE owner=root group=disk mode=0660 auto=yes
>
> # automatically tag new arrays as belonging to the local system
> HOMEHOST 
>
> # instruct the monitoring daemon where to send mail alerts
> MAILADDR root
>
> # definitions of existing MD arrays
> ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=7d8a7c68:95a230d0:0a8f6e74:4c8f81e9 
> name=XEN-HOST:0
>
>

Forgot to add this this:

cat /proc/mdstat 
Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] 
md0 : active raid5 sda1[0] sdb1[1]
  1953517568 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
  
unused devices: 


Then after: 

mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1 
mdadm: re-added /dev/sdd1


cat /proc/mdstat 
Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] 
md0 : active raid5 sdd1[3] sda1[0] sdb1[1]
  1953517568 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
  [>]  recovery =  0.0% (121732/976758784) 
finish=534.8min speed=30433K/sec



Thanks.

  

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Re: Demande d'information

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Friday 18 February 2011 16:57:10 ndangi francis wrote:
> Bonjour, je me nomme Francis.
> J'ai téléchargé Debian et je l'ai gravé sur CD, mais ça ne parvient pas a
> booter au démarrage de mon PC; Mais par contre lorsque je l'exécute sous
> Windows l'installeur marche (il installe une petite partie sous Windows et
> me demande de redémarrer la machine). Mais lorsque je reboot, il ne boot
> pas sur le CD.
> 
> Que faire ???
> S'il vous plait, aidez-moi parce que je dois passer un examen sous Linux
> bientot?
> 
> 
> Cordialement Francis

Tu devrais poser ta question sur la liste en français:
debian-user-fre...@lists.debian.org
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Re: Strange problem with chroot and scponlyc

[Andrew McGlashan]

Hi,

Have you found any solution yet?

I get SIGHELD every time, my post is here:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01188.html


I can't even get sshfs to work on the same machine, let alone trying 
from a secondary [more distant] client.  The issue is the same, SIGHELD 
every time.


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Demande d'information

[ndangi francis]

Bonjour, je me nomme Francis.
J'ai téléchargé Debian et je l'ai gravé sur CD, mais ça ne parvient pas a 
booter au démarrage de mon PC;
Mais par contre lorsque je l'exécute sous Windows l'installeur marche (il 
installe une petite partie sous Windows et me demande de redémarrer la machine).
Mais lorsque je reboot, il ne boot pas sur le CD.

Que faire ???
S'il vous plait, aidez-moi parce que je dois passer un examen sous Linux 
bientot?


Cordialement Francis



  

Re: Console resolution

[Camaleón]

El 2011-02-18 a las 10:33 -0500, Chris Brennan escribió:

> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> > By installing nvidia driver, "nuvó" should not be loaded.
> >
> 
> the non-free nvidia driver script/installer dies, complaining that nouveau
> is present and needs to be removed first, this is what I need to know how to
> do. I've tried my usual linux methods with no success (and no real
> point reiterating them here). Suffice it to say, I *NEED* to know the
> debian/debian-correct way of doing this as my methods have proven
> unsuccessful.

Nvidia's own installer (the one you get when downloading the driver 
from nvidia site) needs some things to be before installing it:

One is you drop your X session and the other is that you have to 
disable nuvó, yes (additional -and well explained- information can be 
found here):

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/260.19.36/README/installdriver.html

But you can also install the Nvidia driver by using Debian's own 
packages which should automatically disable nuvó+KMS.

http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

> > Also, by disabling KMS (nouveau.modeset=0) "nuvó" should not load.
> >
> 
> KMS? What is this? where is nouveau.modeset=0 set? In what file?

KMS stands for Kernel Mode Setting, a new way for the kernel to manage 
the graphics of the system... well, sort of :-P

http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting

In brief, newer kernels enable by default the kernel mode setting so if 
you need to disable it, you can append the aforementioned line to 
Grub's menu at boot time.
 
> P.S. Please keep in mind, I am trying to learn the debian-way of doing
> things so please be explicit when offering hints.

Reading the wiki helps a lot ;-)

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Re: How long has your Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade taken?

[Andrew McGlashan]

On Sat, February 19, 2011 3:45 am, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> I need help with this problem:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01187.html

That's weird, the link pointed to the post before :confused:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01188.html


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Re: How long has your Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade taken?

[Andrew McGlashan]

I need help with this problem:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01187.html

No responses from any debian-user subscriber, nor anything from the
maintainer of scponl

This is one issue that is stopping me from moving forward with a new
installation of Squeeze.

Technically this isn't a lenny to squeeze upgrade issue as I've got a new
install which I'll be migrating to as cleanly as possible.  But it does
interfere with my migration progress significantly.

I hope this isn't a 10 month issue for me as another issue was for someone
else here.

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Re: Console resolution

[Pier Paolo]

2011/2/18 Camaleón 

> On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:07:51 -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
>
> > I am not new to the linux way of things but I am new to the  debain way
> > of things and I have some questions that need to be answered. To start,
> > I need to ket rid of nouveau as it's screwing with uvesafb (produces an
> > 'Error -22').
>
> (...)
>
> By installing nvidia driver, "nuvó" should not be loaded.
>
> Also, by disabling KMS (nouveau.modeset=0) "nuvó" should not load.
>
> At least in Debian Lenny and Fedora 12 it was not so simple as said in
debian wiki or by you; i tried hard to find the easy way, but it turns out
that recompile the kernel without support for staging drivers / nouveau was
the sensefull thing, even if pretty hard to mantain in fedora. donnow about
squeeze now. (running ati)


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Kodak scanner not found or not working

[Thierry de Coulon]

I am new to using Debian "itself" - I have been using Mepis and Ubuntu.
I made a test install of Lenny, and just upgraded to Squeeze. the system seems 
to be working well, I installed Trinity as a Desktop.

My problem is with the scanner. I use a Kodak i1220 that requires tah Kodak 
drivers, wich in turn require some Mono elements.

The Kodak drivers installed OK, but then I discovered that saned was disabled. 
I enabled it in /etc/default/saned, but I have _big_ problems to find the 
scanner. Scantwain sometime finds it, some time not. Xsane says no scanner 
found. gscan2pdf lists the scanner but can't set the optionsa and (mostly) 
refuses to scan.

The same scanner on the same machine works with Ubuntu, so that's not 
hardware. Could it be linked to the upgrade, possible conflicts? Should I try 
to install a clean Squeeze?

Thanks for any help,

Thierry


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[OT] Re: Sourcing (very) cheap used InfiniBand hardware

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:54:48 +, Jamie White wrote:

> I want to obtain some InfiniBand hardware (switch, and PCI cards for
> about 4-10 PCs), not greatly fussed the age, speed or state of it,
> providing it works.
> 
> This is for what is at the moment personal projects and experimenting.
> 
> When I say cheap, I mean at most £400. Anyone know way I could manage to
> get hold of this?

How about eBay? :-?

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Re: reboot hangs

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:43:20 +0100, Sebastian Gibb wrote:

> I have a debian squeeze on a Intel Atom D525 Board. shutdown -h now
> works quite well but
> reboot or shutdown -r now fails

(...)

http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&complete=0&site=webhp&source=hp&q=Atom+D525+linux+reboot+fails&btnG=Search

Hum... I would definitively check for any BIOS update :-)

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Lenny and 2TB USB drive

[John Salmon]

I'm still living comfortably in Lenny-land. I tried to attach a 2 TB USB
drive to both of my Linux systems with no success. The drive formats to
ext3 format using mke2fs with no problem, but won't mount for use. The
same procedure works fine with 1 IB drives on either system. I assume
this is a limitation with the installed USB drivers. Is this something
that will be taken care of in the near future? I wanted to use the 2 TB
drive as backup for my 1 TB drives, plus backup to upgrade from Lenny.

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Re: cannot aptitude -t experimental install perl

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Friday 18 February 2011 08:45:37 Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2011-02-18 01:57 +0100, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> > Gentlemen, I find no way to install the experimental version of perl.
> 
> The only reasonable way to do this is to set up a dedicated chroot for
> it where you can spare the packages that you would normally use.
> 
> > It gets tangled up with too many paths perl-base -> perlapi-* etc.
> 
> Yes, there are hundreds of packages which depend on perlapi-5.10* and
> which become uninstallable when you replace perl 5.10 with perl 5.12.  A
> possible way out of this would be some Ubuntu-style PPA with packages
> rebuilt against perl 5.12, but currently Debian lacks such
> infrastructure, unfortunately.

DebExpo is supposed to alleviate this issue somewhat, yes?

Also, I think the PPA stuff is similar to the OBS in that you can use either 
to host packages for many different distributions (including Debian).
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Re: How long has your Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade taken?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Thursday 17 February 2011 17:33:24 Mark wrote:
> Realizing this is dependent on computer specs, just curious what some of
> the people on this list have experienced for how much time it took to do
> the Lenny to Squeeze upgrade, (assuming a fully up-to-date Lenny system).

I took a few hours for me to take backups, edit APT configuration, perform the 
partial upgrade, correct configs, preform the full upgrade, correct configs, 
reboot, and correct configs.

Then later, I had to correct more configs based on weird behaviors I was 
seeing on some of the public facing services.

I'd say give yourself 4-8 hours follow the release notes though the upgrade.  
You can upgrade multiple systems at once.  Most of this time is spent waiting, 
so you can do multiple systems at once.  There will be occasional debconf 
prompts, so it's difficult to completely automate and you'll need to keep the 
systems you are working on straight.

Depending on what services you host and how much you've changed their 
configuration files, you'll want to allocate 1 extra hour at upgrade time and 
1 hour during the following 5-7 days, per service.

For me, ClamAV was the easiest, it was able to migrate to the new version 
without any interactivity.  Postgresql and SpamAssassin come in second.  I 
didn't have to twiddle Postgres configurations but I did have to "manually" do 
the cluster upgrade.  (I didn't have to do anything more complex than use the 
pg_*cluster commands.)  Spamassassin's configuration file needed a manual 
merge because I have custom rules and weights, but I also wanted to use the 
new, optional short-cutting.

Drupal 6 was pretty easy, but I accidentally locked myself out for a while 
with the site in maintenance mode. :(  Dovecot was a real problem, with 
cmusieve being dropped in favor of sieve and having slightly different 
configuration options on top of having a fairly customized Dovecot 
configuration that ucf couldn't handle.  Even manually merging, I had to fix 
it up a half-dozen times.[1]  Exim cleanly upgraded, but did have a unmergable 
configuration file -- with a little research I determined I wasn't actually 
using that file so I could use the package maintainer's version without worry.

Approx moved from running under /etc/init.d to needing an inetd, but it is a 
pretty simple service so it wasn't much trouble.  The leftover init script was 
preventing a migration to dependency-based startup, but insserv has good 
instructions for that.

All considered it is pretty easy, but do make sure an allocate some time to 
remediation for about a week after the upgrade if you or anyone else depends 
on services.

[1] I might still not have it quite right -- it seems that deleted messages 
sometimes reappear, but I'm not sure if that is a bad client or some bad imapd 
settings in dovecot.
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Re: Unable to mount [device] Not Authorized

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Chris  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Since I do a normal update, I can't mount my flash drive from
> nautilus. It works before.
> The error message is:
>
> Unable to mount [device]
> Not Authorized
>
> But if I manually mount using "sudo mount ...", it works fine.
>
> I found this post,
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01022.html, but I can't
> go back to the previous version of consolekit because of dependencies.
> And I still don't understand the problem.
> I'm using debian testing.
> Could anyone provide any advice? Thanks.

I'm on a current testing system and was able to downgrade consolekit
without any dependency problems.  How complicated are the dependency
issues?

Patrick


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Re: What Would Cause Poor Performance (Remmina) Over SSH?

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 10:15 -0500, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:
> >
> 
> Use of compression had a discernible effect. To be honest I really 
> didn't expect it to help. This is a pretty fast network. It's still 
> slower than tsclient, but it's acceptable now. Without compression the 
> screen drawing delays are really obnoxious.
> 
> I wonder if there really is that much difference in the amount of 
> traffic passed by remmina (FreeRDP) vs. tsclient (rdesktop) over the SSH 
> connection. I should do some reading. Maybe FreeRDP is using an 
> implementation of the protocol that's more like version 6. I understand 
> that rdesktop was sitting at version 5.
> 
> Thank you again, Camaleón.
> 
> Should I put a [SOLVED] in the message title?
> 
> 
Would you kindly share your findings.  We have been somewhat distressed
over rdesktop and were hoping to change to FreeRDP as it matures.  If I
recall correctly, you mentioned there was no discernible difference when
running locally.  Is that correct? Thanks - John


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Re: Debian 6.0.0 DVD (1) installation unable to complete setup of package manager due to corrupt ftp/ mirror repositories

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:30:38 +0800, Saibal K Saha wrote:

> Have spent the last several days trying to get a usable BitTorrent
> download of Debian 6.0.0. Since yesterday, the automated setup has been
> unable to complete setup of the package manager, from various ftp/
> mirror sites. Have tried multiple sites in multiple locations including
> Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan,Korea in vain Enough already -
> you just lived up to your reputation of being one of the worst OSS
> installs of all time

When using a DVD as installation source, there is no need to setup 
external mirrors and _specially not_ at install time. You better install 
the base system with a small set of selected packages and let the 
installer finishes. Afterwards, you can install additional packages or 
perform an update.

And that approach is valid for any distribution, not just Debian.

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Re: What Would Cause Poor Performance (Remmina) Over SSH?

[Gilbert Sullivan]

On 02/17/2011 03:04 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:33:08 -0500, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:


I really like remmina, but I have run into an inconvenience. If I use
remmina directly on a local system the remote desktop sessions on
Windows clients are very responsive. But when I use an SSH -X session to
connect to my remote admin system and then launch remmina on that remote
admin system, the remote desktop sessions on Windows clients are very
slow (by comparison with tsclient sessions which were really snappy).


(...)

Have you tried by using compression for ssh x forwarding session?

ssh -X -C user@host

I guess you already tried by lowering all the resources for the client
connection (screen resolution, color depth...).

Greetings,



Use of compression had a discernible effect. To be honest I really 
didn't expect it to help. This is a pretty fast network. It's still 
slower than tsclient, but it's acceptable now. Without compression the 
screen drawing delays are really obnoxious.


I wonder if there really is that much difference in the amount of 
traffic passed by remmina (FreeRDP) vs. tsclient (rdesktop) over the SSH 
connection. I should do some reading. Maybe FreeRDP is using an 
implementation of the protocol that's more like version 6. I understand 
that rdesktop was sitting at version 5.


Thank you again, Camaleón.

Should I put a [SOLVED] in the message title?


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Re: I want beep in urxvt terminal

[Alan Greenberger]

On 2011-02-17, Csanyi Pal  wrote:
> Csanyi Pal  writes:

> That was yesterday.
> Today after I start my Desktop Machine, try again and there is no beep
> again! 

Wild guess.  What does
bind -V | grep 'bell-style'
show?


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Re: How long has your Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade taken?

[Chris Jones]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 04:35:54AM EST, Clive Standbridge wrote:

> > Realizing this is dependent on computer specs, just curious what
> > some of the people on this list have experienced for how much time
> > it took to do the Lenny to Squeeze upgrade, (assuming a fully
> > up-to-date Lenny system).

> Based on upgrades of earlier releases (haven't upgraded anything to
> squeeze yet), you are looking at hours, not minutes.
> 
> My record is 13 hours for an etch to lenny upgrade.

Mine is something like 8 months.. due to a problem with a PCMCIA card
and looking at the wrong doc.. Of course, the issue being that specific,
there was no way it was ever going to be mentioned in the etch release
notes.:-( 

Of course, since sarge was still supported, and since I always do the
ugrade on a clone of the previous system, I had little motivation to
make things happen any faster.

But all the same, I currently have linux console resolution problems
with my squeeze upgrade with no end in sight.

Just to mention that depending on your circumstances, and how much
inconvenience you're prepared to put up with with the new system,
there's always a chance that you may run into a showstopper that may
delay the switch for much longer than the time the upgrade procedure
actually takes.

> On a 2Mbit connection only a small proportion of that time was spent
> downloading packages. The system was an AMD Duron 650MHz of 2000
> vintage, and laden with Gnome, KDE, and various server packages
> including cups, exim, apache, hplip, moinmoin.  (Note to self: purge
> unwanted software before the next upgrade).

> Even on much newer/faster and less loaded systems I don't recall any
> upgrade taking much less than an hour.
> 
> You need to be on hand during the upgrade, as configuration questions
> can occur at any time.
> 
> Also if you rely on the system for anything important, you need to
> allow time to diagnose and fix the fallout i.e. breakages that aren't
> covered in the release notes. It happens unfortunately.

Oh yes, it does.. :-( 

cj


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Re: cannot aptitude -t experimental install perl

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-02-18 01:57 +0100, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:

> Gentlemen, I find no way to install the experimental version of perl.

The only reasonable way to do this is to set up a dedicated chroot for
it where you can spare the packages that you would normally use.

> # aptitude -t experimental install ~i~nperl
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   perl  perl-base  perl-doc  perl-modules
> 4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 89 not upgraded.
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   libcrypt-ssleay-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual package.
>   libparams-validate-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 which is a virtual package.
>   liblocale-gettext-perl: PreDepends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual 
> package.
>   libperl5.10: Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.1-17) but 5.12.3-1 is to be 
> installed.
>   libunicode-string-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual package.
> etc.
>
> It gets tangled up with too many paths perl-base -> perlapi-* etc.

Yes, there are hundreds of packages which depend on perlapi-5.10* and
which become uninstallable when you replace perl 5.10 with perl 5.12.  A
possible way out of this would be some Ubuntu-style PPA with packages
rebuilt against perl 5.12, but currently Debian lacks such
infrastructure, unfortunately.

Sven


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Re: squeeze upgrade- user can't login

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:47:12 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

> ok, so I trashed my Lenny system somehow. Decided to upgrade to squeeze.
> Now my user cannot login anymore. Other users CAN, guest, my wife... I
> have renamed .gnome2 .gconfg , not sure where to go from here.

Not enough data :-)

You can't login into...

a) GNOME session
or 
b) system -from console/tty1-?

And what error are you getting?

Anyway, you should review your logs ("~/.xsession-errors" or "/var/log/
auth|syslog).

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Re: Unable to mount [device] Not Authorized

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:37:09 Chris wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Since I do a normal update, I can't mount my flash drive from
> nautilus. It works before.
> The error message is:
> 
> Unable to mount [device]
> Not Authorized
> 
> But if I manually mount using "sudo mount ...", it works fine.
> 
> I found this post,
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01022.html, but I can't
> go back to the previous version of consolekit because of dependencies.
> And I still don't understand the problem.
> I'm using debian testing.
> Could anyone provide any advice? Thanks.

Can you give your /etc/fstab?
Thierry


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Re: cannot aptitude -t experimental install perl

[Michael Tsang]

On Friday 18 February 2011 08:57:34 jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> Gentlemen, I find no way to install the experimental version of perl.
Are you using the unstable version of Debian?
> 
> # aptitude -t experimental install ~i~nperl
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   perl  perl-base  perl-doc  perl-modules
> 4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 89 not upgraded.
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   libcrypt-ssleay-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual package.
>   libparams-validate-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 which is a virtual
> package. liblocale-gettext-perl: PreDepends: perlapi-5.10.0 which is a
> virtual package. libperl5.10: Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.1-17) but
> 5.12.3-1 is to be installed. libunicode-string-perl: Depends:
> perlapi-5.10.0 which is a virtual package. etc.
> 
> It gets tangled up with too many paths perl-base -> perlapi-* etc.
Can you try dist-upgrading the system first?

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Re: [slightly OT] I'm thinking about this piece of kit - how well will Debian work with it? [ really OT ]

[Gilbert Sullivan]

On 02/17/2011 06:48 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:

I think this is a valid technical explanation of why some people are
bothered by the video 3d technology. Disliking 3d is absolutely *not*
something to be embarrassed about. Being able to watch a 3d movie
without discomfort is a clear sign of a perceptual deficiency.


Ha! My wife and brother-in-law want to drag me to another 3D movie this 
weekend. Maybe I'll tell them that I want to go to the 2D version for 
perceptually proficient persons.


;-)


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Sourcing (very) cheap used InfiniBand hardware

[Jamie White]

Hi

I want to obtain some InfiniBand hardware (switch, and PCI cards for 
about 4-10 PCs), not greatly fussed the age, speed or state of it, 
providing it works.


This is for what is at the moment personal projects and experimenting.

When I say cheap, I mean at most £400. Anyone know way I could manage to 
get hold of this?


Jamie


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squeeze upgrade- user can't login

[Paul Cartwright]

ok, so I trashed my Lenny system somehow. Decided to upgrade to squeeze. 
Now my user cannot login anymore. Other users CAN, guest, my wife... I 
have renamed .gnome2 .gconfg , not sure where to go from here.



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Re: Console resolution

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:07:51 -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:

> I am not new to the linux way of things but I am new to the  debain way
> of things and I have some questions that need to be answered. To start,
> I need to ket rid of nouveau as it's screwing with uvesafb (produces an
> 'Error -22'). 

(...)

By installing nvidia driver, "nuvó" should not be loaded.

Also, by disabling KMS (nouveau.modeset=0) "nuvó" should not load.

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Re: Two node storage failover with lvm and ISCSI

[Justin Jereza]

> we have two nodes connected to one big SAS storage (LSI 630j Jbod) with
> SAS HBAs and they can see all disks at same time.
> Now we want build a failover construct for lvm with ISCSI:
>
> LSI Jbod -> node* | raid | lvm | ISCSI -> Global IP ->> Client
>
> If the primary node fails, start raid on node two, activate lvm, export
> them via ISCSI, take over the IP address.
>
> There are many layers, that can fails, like raid, lvm, timing 
>
> any suggestions?

Bugger. I always fail at replying to mailing lists using GMail. Repost.

I'd consider running clvm + gfs2 instead. That way, both nodes can
stay up and connected to the same filesystem at the same time. The
only decision left would be which node to use. OTOH, you can have an
HA configuration as well.

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Re: Gnash killing my CPU

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:24:04 -0600, Noah Duffy wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Camaleón wrote:

>> JFYI, there is no need to remove the package, gnash can co-exist with
>> Adobe's flash player plugin. In fact, I keep both of them installed so
>> in the event one fails to load some site (Adobe flash fails a lot) I
>> can still test it with the other (Iceweasel loads flash player by
>> default and Epiphany goes with gnash).
>>
>>
> Well, the problem is that even when it's not using Gnash, it seems to
> open up with the launch of a web browser.  

Does disabling the plugin makes any effect?

> As soon as that happens, my
> CPU usage climbs up to almost 100% and my computer's fan kicks in
> because my CPU temp also rises to a pretty crazy temp -- almost 70
> degrees Celsius when I'm only running a web browser.  Since removing the
> package, everything is back to normal.

Oh, you already removed the package... then I'm afraid you cannot test 
the above instructions.

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Re: [slightly OT] I'm thinking about this piece of kit - how well will Debian work with it?

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:11:30 +, AG wrote:

> I'm seriously considering this laptop
> http://3dguy.tv/toshiba-3d-enabled-laptop/ and wiping it clean of
> Windows (or dual booting) with Debian.
> 
> Given the specs of the hardware, what is the likely quality of
> experience for the user with a Debian testing installation and what
> would likely be the best way of enabling as many of its whizz-bang
> features as possible?

Are you sure nvidia provides drivers for linux with their 3D vision kit? 
I would first ensure about this point because it seems there two 
different sets:

3D Vision home (can't see linux listed there)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html

3D vision Pro (linux appears as supported)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro_pro_graphics_boards_linux.html

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Re: cannot build-essentials

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:16:46 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

> On 02/17/2011 02:21 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>>> I think I am having some repository issue??
>>> >  
>>> >  aptitude update gives me this:
>>> >  Errhttp://ftp.us.debian.org  lenny/updates/contrib Sources
>>>  
>>^ ^   ^
>> I can't see that stanza in your "/etc/apt/sources.list" but seems to be
>> wrong :-?
>>
>>
> it's not there.. the only lines in my sources.list that have ftp are
> commented out squeeze lines..

How weird :-?

Are you still getting the error or it was just a bad mirror?

If the error persists, as you only have one "deb-src" line pointing to 
"ftp.us.debian.org" in your "/etc/apt/sources.list" I would try by 
commenting (#) that line and re-check:

#deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free

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