Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Ron Johnson]

On 03/25/2011 06:19 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 26/03/11 08:40, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 08:41 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 25/03/11 03:10, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife
might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.


I installed Firefox4 to ~/.firefox and Iceweasel4 to ~/.iceweasel4



How did you install IW4 into your $HOME?  I don't think that dpkg has 
the ability to redirect output.



I've no idea if that is correct, I just did it to keep multiple browsers
and versions available for my profile. Alternative solutions welcomed.



I put FF4 in ~/bin/firefox.





Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?



A bunch of small stuff:
- right clicking on a tab doesn't have "New Tab" anymore.


True. See the blue cross on the right-hand side of the tab? Clicking on
that will open a new tab. One click instead of two! :-)



Muscle memory and habit.


I also wondered where the "open in new tab" went - till I watched a
small child do it! :-/



I *found* it, but it had moved for no reason.  Like a wife that 
rearranges the furniture for no reason except "I was bored".




Tabs and the search bar were the big UI advances in the history of
Netscape&  Mozilla.  The original (derived from Mosaic?) UI was darned
good as it was.


Hang in there - I'm sure you're not the only one. It's just a matter of
time before someone comes up with a theme that makes the 4 ui  look like
3.x.



Most probably.  A similar addon (Old Location Bar) makes FF3.x tolerable.


My main motivation for moving to 4 was freedom from ffflash, and the
ability to build lighter netbooks.



Eh?  YouTube isn't the be-all and end-all of video...



The Win98/2K (originally from Win95???) Start button is still a good
motif.  Panels (originally from OSX?) and applets when *combined* with
the Start menu make it even more useful.



I seem to remember a Start style button on my first PS/2 - long before
Windoof 3 (IBM OS2/Win32)



The Workplace Shell was pretty amazing.  I loved Warp 3 on my 486DX33.

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Greg Madden]

On Wednesday 23 March 2011 02:57:38 pm Andreas Rönnquist wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:17:44 +
>
> Peter Tynan  wrote:
> > On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander  wrote:
> > > Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and
> > > upgraded, but got
> > >
> > > [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports
> > > iceweasel Reading package lists... Done
> > > Building dependency tree
> > > Reading state information... Done
> > > iceweasel is already the newest version.
> > > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
> > > [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
> > > ii  iceweasel
> > > 3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox
> >
> > At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
> > and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
> > suspect you did not select "Iceweasel 4.0" on the drop down menu...
> >
> > Peter
>
> I tried this too, but I run into the same problems that Brad did.
> Adding the mozilla.debian.net to sources.list, adding the key, and
> updating/dist-upgrading does nothing for me.
>
> I want the 4.0 for Squeeze, but get nothing.
>
> I am on AMD64, maybe its only i386 this far?
>
> best regards
> /Andreas

Do you have an '/etc/apt/preferences' file ? I had mine setup, and it was 
preventing the upgrade to iceweasel 4. I temporarily renamed it, and I am able 
to 
upgrade, now I don't want to. I am using Minefield as my personal multimedia 
browser, iceweasel stable for work. 

 I need to understand ore about pinning :-)
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 26/03/11 09:41, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 25 Mar 2011 at 14:45:52 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> 
>> and it does not offer to save my setup anymore, so after I quit I have  
>> to start all over gain... POC
> 
> Mine doesn't offer to save open tabs either but on restarting it does
> present a Google search field and the option to restore the previous
> session.
> 
> 
Both Iceweasel4 and Firefox4, on both Lenny and Squeeze do for me. I run
KDE (3x and 4x respectively).

What do you have for the value of browser.tabs.warnOnClose in about:config?

Also under Preferences --> Tabs what do you have selected?

I am using Sync, NoScript, and Firebug, which *do* change settings.

Relevant settings:-

browser.tabs.warnOnClose: true
browser.warnOnQuit: true
browser.startup.page: 1 or 2


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 26/03/11 08:40, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/24/2011 08:41 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 25/03/11 03:10, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
 On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
> Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
> install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife
> might
> (as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.

I installed Firefox4 to ~/.firefox and Iceweasel4 to ~/.iceweasel4

I've no idea if that is correct, I just did it to keep multiple browsers
and versions available for my profile. Alternative solutions welcomed.

>
>
 Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?

>>>
>>> A bunch of small stuff:
>>> - right clicking on a tab doesn't have "New Tab" anymore.
>>
>> True. See the blue cross on the right-hand side of the tab? Clicking on
>> that will open a new tab. One click instead of two! :-)
>>
> 
> Muscle memory and habit.

I also wondered where the "open in new tab" went - till I watched a
small child do it! :-/

> 
> Tabs and the search bar were the big UI advances in the history of
> Netscape & Mozilla.  The original (derived from Mosaic?) UI was darned
> good as it was.

Hang in there - I'm sure you're not the only one. It's just a matter of
time before someone comes up with a theme that makes the 4 ui  look like
3.x.

My main motivation for moving to 4 was freedom from ffflash, and the
ability to build lighter netbooks.

> 
> The Win98/2K (originally from Win95???) Start button is still a good
> motif.  Panels (originally from OSX?) and applets when *combined* with
> the Start menu make it even more useful.
> 

I seem to remember a Start style button on my first PS/2 - long before
Windoof 3 (IBM OS2/Win32)


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Brian  wrote:
> On Fri 25 Mar 2011 at 14:45:52 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>
>> and it does not offer to save my setup anymore, so after I quit I have
>> to start all over gain... POC
>
> Mine doesn't offer to save open tabs either but on restarting it does
> present a Google search field and the option to restore the previous
> session.

'Edit, Preferences, General' doesn't offer you a startup option "Show
my windows and tabs from last time"?  Mine does.

Patrick


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Re: tightvncserver: Could not start screen

[Selim T. Erdogan]

Susam Pal, 23.03.2011:
> 
> Is there a way to start VNC server such that it makes the current
> GNOME desktop available to the remote client?

In the Gnome menu, try under "System->Preferences->Remote Desktop"


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Brian]

On Fri 25 Mar 2011 at 14:45:52 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> and it does not offer to save my setup anymore, so after I quit I have  
> to start all over gain... POC

Mine doesn't offer to save open tabs either but on restarting it does
present a Google search field and the option to restore the previous
session.


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sshd is starting niced -2 on it's own?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Hello list.  I am on Debian 5 (Lenny), always keep it up-to-date (per 
"aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade"), and I have a problem that I 
don't know how to solve (or have any idea how it appeared in the first 
place.)


The problem is that all processes started by users have a nice value of 
-2.  The root cause seems to be that the sshd daemon seems to start with 
-2, and as a result, when logging in, bash is also started with -2 and 
therefore all further processes too.


I have searched a lot, but all answers I found don't seem to apply here. 
 For example, my /etc/security/limits.conf only has these entries:


  * softnproc   150
  * hardnproc   200

I also can't spot anything weird in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.

What could be causing sshd to start with nice -2 by default?


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Klistvud]

Dne, 24. 03. 2011 22:12:19 je Mark napisal(a):

So when it's all said and done, it sounds like the safest bet is to  
edit the

file that says in all caps DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE.

LOL


Moral of the story?
If you want to make *absolutely* sure that users *will* try editing a  
file -- any file -- you just need to make it read-only and write DO NOT  
EDIT THIS FILE in it. Hmmm. For my next research project, I shall write  
DO NOT JUMP WITHOUT ATTACHING THE ROPE FIRST on a bungee rope ...


The results are bound to be fascinating.


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Re: Command: groupadd k8055, makes system crash

[Klistvud]

Dne, 25. 03. 2011 13:08:12 je Mats Olofsson napisal(a):

Se attached document.

reportbug also seem to crash on my maschine?


Seems to crash on my machine too. It's a pity, given that, for many a  
newbie, reportbug is the preferred method of filing bug reports...



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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Ron Johnson]

On 03/24/2011 08:41 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 25/03/11 03:10, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.



Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?



A bunch of small stuff:
- right clicking on a tab doesn't have "New Tab" anymore.


True. See the blue cross on the right-hand side of the tab? Clicking on
that will open a new tab. One click instead of two! :-)



Muscle memory and habit.

Tabs and the search bar were the big UI advances in the history of 
Netscape & Mozilla.  The original (derived from Mosaic?) UI was darned 
good as it was.


The Win98/2K (originally from Win95???) Start button is still a good 
motif.  Panels (originally from OSX?) and applets when *combined* with 
the Start menu make it even more useful.


--
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the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally
corrupt."
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Krajowe PRZESYLKI KURIERSKIE

[AM Logistic]

Witamy serdecznie,
 
Jesteśmy firmą zajmującą się pośrednictwem usług kurierskich w Polsce.
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(Ustawa z dnia 18 lipca 2002 roku o świadczeniu usług drogą elektroniczną - Dz. 
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Państwu informacji handlowej o świadczonych przez naszą firmę usługach.
 
Wyrażenie zgody następuje przez kliknięcie słowa TAK. 
Tak, jestem zainteresowany (a) ofertą.
 
 
Jeżeli nie są Państwo zainteresowani  uzyskaniem informacji handlowej 
dotyczącej usług świadczonych przez naszą firmę, serdecznie przepraszamy.
  
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Re: System becomes very slow after update to squeeze 6.0.1

[Klistvud]

Dne, 25. 03. 2011 03:40:29 je Jackie Wang napisal(a):

Hi all,

My laptop is HP 6515b, AMD Turion 64x2 CPU, 2G memory with dual  
system,

Debian and windows XP. First time I installed Debian Lenny 5.0.4 amd64
on my laptop, DE is Gnome. Then upgrade to 5.0.6, then 6.0. Until 6.0  
it

works very well. But recently after i updated to 6.0.1 the system
becomes very slow. I notice the process Xorg consume many CPU usage.
even i open a terminal window, it pop up very slow.today i fresh
installed my laptop,using netinst method
(debian-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso).but after installed the system still
very slow, Xorg still consume many CPU. but windows XP runs normal,  
so i

think 6.0.1 has some problem. does anybody encountered this situation?


What's your video card? ATI, I presume? Carefully go through your  
Xorg.0.log and see whether there are any (EE) messages. They usually  
give a pretty good hint at what might have gone wrong. In all  
probability, you just have a rogue configuration somewhere, such as a  
misconfigured kernel mode setting, or a kernel module loading in the  
wrong order.


BTW,can i just install debian 6.0 not 6.0.1? i have 5.0.4 DVD and  
6.0.1

netinst CD.


That wouldn't be too wise. You really *should* keep your Debian  
updated. The way to go is to file a bug report with this "6.0.1.  
regresssion", and the Debian maintainers will fix that for you (and for  
the rest of us) in no time.


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Re: [OT] compiled kernels do not boot

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

25/03/2011 21:19, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have tried 3 self-compiled kernels and they do not boot. They compile
> w/o errors.
> 
> They are compiled with 'make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -ck2
> --initrd kernel_image'. This is with an uptodate Sid.
> 
> I have looked at the initrd files with cpio and I see nothing wrong: the
> 'init' file is there as it should be, etc. But what to look for?
> 
> I use legacy-grub and that just sits there with 'boot' as the last
> command, forever.
> 
> Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to try next?
> 
> I have used make-kpkg many times, but not in the last 5 months, and this
> has never happened to me.
> 
> Hugo
> 
> 

Hi, I don't think there is a general problem in kernel-package
(12.036+nmu1 here), I compiled three kernels (2.6.37* and 2.6.38*) this
week and one more is backing right now without issue.

Are the required hooks scripts for your setup in place and valid (see
/usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/) ? Any module missing from
/etc/initramfs-tools/modules ?

Maybe you could try with "make deb-pkg" target and see if it boots this way.


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.



Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?



A bunch of small stuff:
- right clicking on a tab doesn't have "New Tab" anymore.
- When right-clicking on a link, the order of "Open in New Window"
  and "Open in New Tab" are reversed.
- Tools->Addons opens a childish-looking Tab instead of the current,
  functional window.
- The "Old Location Bar" doesn't work anymore.
- The new theme is, I think, stupid looking.

Like GNOME v3, they're Fixing What Ain't Broken and that pisses me off.



and it does not offer to save my setup anymore, so after I quit I have 
to start all over gain... POC


Hugo


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[OT] compiled kernels do not boot

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

I have tried 3 self-compiled kernels and they do not boot. They compile 
w/o errors.


They are compiled with 'make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -ck2 
--initrd kernel_image'. This is with an uptodate Sid.


I have looked at the initrd files with cpio and I see nothing wrong: the 
'init' file is there as it should be, etc. But what to look for?


I use legacy-grub and that just sits there with 'boot' as the last 
command, forever.


Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to try next?

I have used make-kpkg many times, but not in the last 5 months, and this 
has never happened to me.


Hugo


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Re: Your favorite version control software

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On 2011-03-25 14:00:26 Gregory Seidman wrote:
>Either I don't get it or I won't drink the Kool-Aid. It's hard to say
>which. I understand the value of the decentralized approach for a
>decentralized project. That includes many open source projects. I believe
>that git is absolutely the best choice for the Linux kernel, for example.
>
>On the other hand, I *really* value a repository-wide, monotonically
>increasing version number. When I'm setting up source control for a
>project, I'll always go with subversion. Even if everyone working on the
>project uses git through git-svn and pulls changesets from one another, I
>want the central repository to have sequential revision numbers for
>commits. I want to be able to identify a revision number in a release that
>indicates all of the commits of which it is composed (i.e. any number less
>than that revision number). The whole GUID thing is fine for passing
>changes around, but it's meaningless for a release.

git-describe provides friendlier descriptions of many trees.  If you tag 
names sort well, then the output of git-describe sorts well for the 
majority of commits.

Given a SHA and the repository, it is trivial to list all the commits that 
are ancestors of it.  The output of git-describe provides enough context to 
usually get the whole SHA.

Finally, if you just gotta have monotonically increasing numbers, it's 
relatively easy to trivial to have a hook on the central repository that 
generates tags automatically that use monotonically increasing numbers.

The problem with monotonically increasing numbers is that they don't make 
sense for every commit in a non-linear history, because while there is a 
partial ordering of such commits, there is not a total ordering on such 
commits.

The "trick" with the tags generated by a hook like I suggested is that it 
doesn't attempt to assign a number of *every* commit.  Instead, it only 
assigns numbers to the synchronization points.  Assuming the central 
repository is updated in a fast-forward manner (generally a good idea, and 
the default unless someone uses --force), then these synchronization points 
are a subset of commits in the non-linear history that DO have a total 
ordering.

Bzr uses hashes/ids "behind the scenes" but generally recommends using 
something very close to numbers.  Given a repository, each "synchronization 
point" is assigned a monotonically increasing number.  Commits that aren't 
synchronization points, use a multiply-dotted syntax after the number that 
identifies the most recent "synchronization point".  It gives a very SVN 
like feel; the HEAD/trunk/master branch in the central repository is always 
at something that can be called "revision N" where n is a natural number.  
It's not entirely the same though, a local commit might be called "304" 
until you synchronize with someone else (like the central repository) and 
it starts being called "300.1.4".  That only (I think) happens to private 
commits though; there's some guarantee that when you and someone else share 
a commit, it will have the same name for both of you.

Hg and Mtn might also have solutions in this area.  I tend to doubt Darcs 
does.

>So, yeah, git is great on the client side, but I want a central repository
>that is more oriented toward points in time than changesets. I can have
>both with git-svn.

Git, Hg, and Mtn are not changeset oriented at all.  Any diffs they present 
as part of a log are synthesized at that time.  They (efficiently) store 
"snapshots" of the repository, and are not much concerned with how the 
repository got there.  Darcs is very changeset oriented, it juggles patches 
not snapshots.  It synthesizes the work tree as necessary, and understands 
patch dependencies enough to make that work tree deterministic.  However, 
it doesn't fundamentally store states, be rather transitions between 
states.  I think Bzr is similar to Git/Hg/Mtn, but I know it has some 
relationship with Arch so (like Arch) it might use changesets for some 
operations.

So, with Git/Hg/Mtn a commit's hash/id *is* a unique identifier of a point 
in time, which is what you claim you are after.

I tend to think that monotonically increasing natural numbers are a bit 
over-rated.  However, if you want them you can get them without completely 
abandoning a non-linear history and some of the DVCS advantages that comes 
with.
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Re: mutt, exim, sender's email address

[Freeman]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:15:43PM -0700, evenso wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:20:11AM -0700, Mike McClain wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:29:04AM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Thu 24 Mar 2011 at 14:53:29 -0700, Mike McClain wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Is there any automatic way to have the sender's email address 
> > > > changed depending on whether or not the mail is going to a list?
> > >>  
> > 
> > > In my mutt configuration file I have:
> > > send-hook . 'unmy_hdr From:'
> > > send-hook '~t debian-user@lists\.debian\.org'  'my_hdr From: Brian 
> > > '
> > > 
> > > Would that be anything like what you are looking for?
> > 
> > Well, I don't know but I'll try it and see, from re-reading the docs
> > it surely looks like it, guess I just missed it.
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> > -- 
> 
> As of 1.5, mut can deliver directly to a remote SMTP but I don't know
> whether or not the Debian package is compiled for that, probably.
> 
> Otherwise, exim4 will edit those "from:" headers to respect the local
> domain or to what has been configured for a standard rewrite.
> 
> Brian's link look about good for conditional rewrite but I haven't read or
> tried it.
> 

P.S. Link to configuring mutt to send direct to remote SMTP (so exim4
doesn't rewrite the "from:" header.

http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Sendmail

You could make a macro in muttrc that sources that config and turn it on/off
depending on whether you wanted to send from your basic domain with exim4.

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Re: mutt, exim, sender's email address

[Freeman]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:20:11AM -0700, Mike McClain wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:29:04AM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 24 Mar 2011 at 14:53:29 -0700, Mike McClain wrote:
> > 
> > > Is there any automatic way to have the sender's email address 
> > > changed depending on whether or not the mail is going to a list?
> >>  
> 
> > In my mutt configuration file I have:
> > send-hook . 'unmy_hdr From:'
> > send-hook '~t debian-user@lists\.debian\.org'  'my_hdr From: Brian 
> > '
> > 
> > Would that be anything like what you are looking for?
> 
> Well, I don't know but I'll try it and see, from re-reading the docs
> it surely looks like it, guess I just missed it.
> Thanks,
> Mike
> -- 

As of 1.5, mut can deliver directly to a remote SMTP but I don't know
whether or not the Debian package is compiled for that, probably.

Otherwise, exim4 will edit those "from:" headers to respect the local
domain or to what has been configured for a standard rewrite.

Brian's link look about good for conditional rewrite but I haven't read or
tried it.

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Re: Your favorite version control software

[Gregory Seidman]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 06:06:12PM +0100, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
>  wrote:
> > On 2011-03-25 11:39:17 Jason Hsu wrote:
> >>Why do you prefer Subversion for the central repository and git for laptops?
> ...
> > For laptops, or in any case where you may not have an active, reliable
> > connection to the central repository, subversion just fails. ?You can't
> > commit, branch, etc. ?All of the distributed VCSes support disconnected
> > operations, even if they aren't the default.
> 
> Even with LAN access to your SVN server, try a svn-bisect and then
> compare it to a git-bisect.

I'll agree that git-bisect is pretty awesome, but I can do it with git-svn
when I need to. I also like git stash, and the line-by-line git add is
pretty great when I need it. All of that is accessible via git-svn.

> There is no going back to SVN, once you understand the whole
> decentralized approach. git merge just works. I do agree that setting
> up the git server to refuse most delete operation take some time and
> tweaking.

Either I don't get it or I won't drink the Kool-Aid. It's hard to say
which. I understand the value of the decentralized approach for a
decentralized project. That includes many open source projects. I believe
that git is absolutely the best choice for the Linux kernel, for example.

On the other hand, I *really* value a repository-wide, monotonically
increasing version number. When I'm setting up source control for a
project, I'll always go with subversion. Even if everyone working on the
project uses git through git-svn and pulls changesets from one another, I
want the central repository to have sequential revision numbers for
commits. I want to be able to identify a revision number in a release that
indicates all of the commits of which it is composed (i.e. any number less
than that revision number). The whole GUID thing is fine for passing
changes around, but it's meaningless for a release.

So, yeah, git is great on the client side, but I want a central repository
that is more oriented toward points in time than changesets. I can have
both with git-svn.

> Mathieu
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Re: cups in squeeze with ethernet postscript printer

[Matt Richardson]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Russell L. Harris
 wrote:
> * Matt Richardson  [110325 04:45]:
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Russell L. Harris
>>  wrote:
>> > I have made repeated attempts without success to use the web interface
>> > (localhost:631) to install a PostScript printer with HP JetDirect
>> > interface in the lan.  My computer is an i386 running Squeeze.
>>
>> Can you give some more details?  Which PPD are you using, HPLIP or 
>> Gutenprint?
>
> With Etch I had been using "raw" and "raw queue (en)".  With Lenny, I
> had success specifying the printer by name and model, which utilized
> HPLIP.
>
> But with Squeeze, the webadmin GUI is not responding, so I
> cannot yet specify a PPD.
>

Fair enough, I should have figured that out from your first post.

> A week ago there was some response from the GUI, but as soon as I
> clicked on the "add printer" button, the GUI began searching for
> printers, and never found any.  With the GUI in Etch and in Lenny, I
> was unable to add a printer directly by specifying its IP address; but
> not so with Squeeze.  And now there is no response when I try to add a
> printer.
>

Have you looked in /var/log/cups/error_log for any messages?  It's
pretty good about reporting any issues.

> As an alternative I would be happy to use the command line CUPS
> interface, but I need to Google for a HOWTO (I should be able to find
> instructions using the CUPS webadmin GUI, but it is not working
> right...)
>
> RLH
>

Here's the basics, taken from the CUPS Software Administrators Manual
1.1.21 (yeah, I know it's ancient but I printed it out ages ago and
don't feel the need for a newer copy):

#see what devices are supported
lpinfo -v

#add an HP printer with a JetDirect card
/usr/sbin/lpadmin -p YourQueueName -E -v socket://11.22.33.44:9100 -m
/path/to/YourHPModel.ppd

#Get a status report
lpstat -t

If you had raw printing enabled before with Lenny, did you do that
through the web interface or make changes directly to the config file?
 I noticed when I updated from Lenny to Squeeze that some things, like
the SSLListen directive and the ServerCertificate directive, did not
work the same.  I think one of the problems was that any of the admin
pages I tried to access wanted to be sent over 443 instead of 631, so
I had to fix the SSLListen and ServerCertificate stuff before I could
use the web admin.  This is on a server accessed by lots of people, so
my configuration is a little different from the standard work station
install.  However, if you selected to keep the configuration from
Lenny when upgrading to Squeeze, it is probably worth looking at the
differences in the two cupsd.conf files.


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Re: mutt, exim, sender's email address

[Mike McClain]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 07:47:46AM +, kuLa wrote:
> On 24/03/11 21:53, Mike McClain wrote:
> > Is there any automatic way to have the sender's email address 
> > changed depending on whether or not the mail is going to a list?
 
> I would suggest to check 'rewrite' clause in the exim config file/s this
> should help a bit
> http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.72/doc/html/spec_html/ch31.html

Thanks, I'll take a look.
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Re: mutt, exim, sender's email address

[Mike McClain]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:29:04AM +, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 24 Mar 2011 at 14:53:29 -0700, Mike McClain wrote:
> 
> > Is there any automatic way to have the sender's email address 
> > changed depending on whether or not the mail is going to a list?
>>  

> In my mutt configuration file I have:
> send-hook . 'unmy_hdr From:'
> send-hook '~t debian-user@lists\.debian\.org'  'my_hdr From: Brian 
> '
> 
> Would that be anything like what you are looking for?

Well, I don't know but I'll try it and see, from re-reading the docs
it surely looks like it, guess I just missed it.
Thanks,
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Re: cups in squeeze with ethernet postscript printer

[Russell L. Harris]

* Matt Richardson  [110325 04:45]:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Russell L. Harris
>  wrote:
> > I have made repeated attempts without success to use the web interface
> > (localhost:631) to install a PostScript printer with HP JetDirect
> > interface in the lan.  My computer is an i386 running Squeeze.
> 
> Can you give some more details?  Which PPD are you using, HPLIP or Gutenprint?

With Etch I had been using "raw" and "raw queue (en)".  With Lenny, I
had success specifying the printer by name and model, which utilized
HPLIP.

But with Squeeze, the webadmin GUI is not responding, so I
cannot yet specify a PPD.

A week ago there was some response from the GUI, but as soon as I
clicked on the "add printer" button, the GUI began searching for
printers, and never found any.  With the GUI in Etch and in Lenny, I
was unable to add a printer directly by specifying its IP address; but
not so with Squeeze.  And now there is no response when I try to add a
printer.

As an alternative I would be happy to use the command line CUPS
interface, but I need to Google for a HOWTO (I should be able to find
instructions using the CUPS webadmin GUI, but it is not working
right...)

RLH


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squeeze sound device error problem

[L V Gandhi]

I have the following following sound card as in lspci -v
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition
Audio Controller (rev 02)
Subsystem: Sony Corporation Device 81ef
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
Memory at d01c (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [60] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
Capabilities: [130] Root Complex Link
Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
my alsa-conf is like this
# autoloader aliases
install sound-slot-0 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-0
install sound-slot-1 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-1
install sound-slot-2 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-2
install sound-slot-3 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-3
install sound-slot-4 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-4
install sound-slot-5 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-5
install sound-slot-6 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-6
install sound-slot-7 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-7
# Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules
install snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet
snd-ioctl32 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-se$
install snd-rawmidi /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-rawmidi && {
/sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq-midi ; : ; }
install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 && {
/sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-emu10k1-synth ; : ; }

alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel
alias sound-slot-0 snd-hda-intel
options snd-hda-intel model=auto enable=1 index=0 position_fix=0

# Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
options bt87x index=-2
options cx88_alsa index=-2
options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
# Keep snd-pcsp from beeing loaded as first soundcard
options snd-pcsp index=-2
# Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
options snd-usb-audio index=-2

First no sound in earphone jack.
Now I am getting error info as given in picture
http://img11.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img11/7985/sounddeviceproblem.png#
ie
kde detected one or more sound devices  removed.
do you want kde permanently forget these  devices?
This is the list of devices kde thinks can be removed
output: HDA Intel (stack92xx digital)
output: HDA Intel, stack92xx digital(IEC 958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output)
 option yes no and manage devices. I tried last two options. But still I get
the msg whenever I login to KDE.
Any solutions please?
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Re: ATI/AMD graphics cards

[Andrew Wood]

On 20 Mar 2011, at 14:09, Liam O'Toole wrote:

> If you grep /var/log/syslog for 'firmware' you should see what firmware
> is requested and what is missing, if any. 

Absolutely nothing. Would I be better switching to AMDs proprietory driver?  
Whats with having to edit the /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf file? The poor 
frame rate I can understand but why does a default install of Debian switch all 
video output off unless that file is edited?


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Brad Alexander]

I've been using it for a couple of weeks now, and I don't have a problem
with it. The only issue, as with all ffx releases is the lag in my favorite
add-ons catching up.


I believe that she will be happy being able to do slideshows and mmedia
without having to open another browser...

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Ron Johnson  wrote:

> On 03/23/2011 07:01 AM, Brad Alexander wrote:
>
>> Too soon?
>>
>> I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
>> against that for a squeeze system.
>>
>>
> Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you install
> FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might (as I do)
> dislike the way that v4 works.
>
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Re: Your favorite version control software

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
 wrote:
> On 2011-03-25 11:39:17 Jason Hsu wrote:
>>Why do you prefer Subversion for the central repository and git for laptops?
...
> For laptops, or in any case where you may not have an active, reliable
> connection to the central repository, subversion just fails.  You can't
> commit, branch, etc.  All of the distributed VCSes support disconnected
> operations, even if they aren't the default.

Even with LAN access to your SVN server, try a svn-bisect and then
compare it to a git-bisect.

There is no going back to SVN, once you understand the whole
decentralized approach. git merge just works. I do agree that setting
up the git server to refuse most delete operation take some time and
tweaking.

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[OT] How to unlock internet key?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dear all,

if not help, please point me somewhere in order to solve the following problem.

With the `Momodesign MD-@' internet key, I can connect to internet using sim
cards from: Tre, Tim, Wind, but not Vodafone.  (Instead, with the Huawei-e169
device I can use _also_ Vodafone, with access point `web.omnitel.it').

How can I unlock the key and make it work also with Vodafone on my Debian Lenny
box?

Thanks for any help
Rodolfo


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Re: Your favorite version control software

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On 2011-03-25 11:39:17 Jason Hsu wrote:
>Why do you prefer Subversion for the central repository and git for laptops?

I can think of at least one reason: history.  I haven't checked the default 
settings recently, but I seem to remember that git allowed "forced" pushes by 
default.  This is great for your personal repositories, but not usually good 
for central repositories since a "forced" push can cause loss of history.  
Perhaps forced pushes are turned off when you create a shared / bare 
repository now; few central repositories are not created as one (or both) of 
these types.

For laptops, or in any case where you may not have an active, reliable 
connection to the central repository, subversion just fails.  You can't 
commit, branch, etc.  All of the distributed VCSes support disconnected 
operations, even if they aren't the default.

I prefer not-subversion for the central repository when developers are using a 
distributed VCS in practice.  Subversion forces the history to be linearized, 
which often involves what git calls a "rebase".  Whatever your DVCS calls it, 
it makes new "revisions/patches" that whose relationship with the original 
ones are not tracked.  Requiring this process before getting changes into the 
central repository can limits some of the effectiveness of the DVCS model.  
(Last I heard though, PostgreSQL forces this behavior even though they are 
using a DVCS to manage their central repository; there were enough developers 
that found a linear history easier to work with that it became policy.)
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.



Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?



A bunch of small stuff:
- right clicking on a tab doesn't have "New Tab" anymore.
- When right-clicking on a link, the order of "Open in New Window"
  and "Open in New Tab" are reversed.
- Tools->Addons opens a childish-looking Tab instead of the current,
  functional window.
- The "Old Location Bar" doesn't work anymore.
- The new theme is, I think, stupid looking.

Like GNOME v3, they're Fixing What Ain't Broken and that pisses me off.



Right on.

Hugo


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Re: Your favorite version control software

[Jason Hsu]

Why do you prefer Subversion for the central repository and git for laptops?

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:14:39 -0400
Gregory Seidman  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 03:33:44PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:
> > What's your favorite version control software for software development?
> > Subversion?  Git?  Something else?
> 
> Subversion for the central repository, git (via git-svn) on the road (i.e.
> on laptops).
> 
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Managing updates for a large number of hosts

[Brad Alexander]

Hi,

I wanted to pick your brains about the best way to manage updates for a
large number of Debian hosts. In essence, what I would like to do would be
the equivalent of Nessus or OpenVAS local security checks. Unfortunately, I
have run into problems with both of these solutions. Nessus only performs
local security checks against stable, and all of the hosts in question are
running a snapshot of unstable. OpenVAS, OTOH, seems just plain broken.
Apparently, from what I have been able to glean from the mailing list, it
randomly picks either username/password or username/ssh credentials, and
they are not sure why, or something. Well, in every case, it tells me that
it won't do local security checks because no credentials (I am forced to use
username/ssh keys) were provided.

So, I am at the point of reinventing the wheel. I have two criteria for
which I would like to do an update. First (and probably most importantly) is
to check against the DSAs and see if any installed package has an alert on
it. Second would be a functionality issue, some critical package on a given
server. I already know that this will have to be done manually. Thats not a
problem. Setting up DSA or CVE checks against a couple of hundred servers on
the other hand, is something that should be able to be automated without
much trouble. What I am looking for is the best/most efficient approach.

I had thought about using something similar to apticron, however, there are
two problems with this. First, it includes apt-listchanges, which, according
to the man page, is supposed to sort the results by urgency, but in practice
does not. I was considering parsing through that, but since the changelogs
vary so much, it is less desirable than using the DSAs.

The second way I had thought about was to set up a puppet manifest to manage
this. Unfortunately, I don't have puppet set up yet...

What are others using for this type of checks on a large number of servers?

thanks,
--b

wheezy repository ???

[Paul E Condon]

I have been using wheezy for a couple of weeks. Yesterday
(I think) something happened and now I cannot install
Wheezy using a recent (and known to work before) business
card CD. When I select wheezy/testing, I get an error
message that my architecture is not available at the
repository I have selected... But this is for ftp.us.debian.org!
And several others. I can install squeeze, but not wheezy.

Is this a know situation?
Is this a temporary situation?

Comments?

TIA


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Jochen Schulz wrote:
> ACK, it's probably another issue. But you may still want to refer to
> this bug number in your new report. 

Done.


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"Modes" versus "Virtual" in xorg.conf

[peasthope]

Folk,

Either of these in /etc/X11/xorg.conf will set the display resolution.

SubSection "Display"
Depth  24
Virtual 1280 960
EndSubSection
 
SubSection "Display"
Depth  24
Modes "1280x960"
EndSubSection

"Modes" is far more common that "Virtual" in cited xorg.conf examples.
Why?  Is this a matter of technical efficiency?  Is the Virtual setting just 
more 
recent than Modes?

Thanks, ... Peter E.

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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Jochen Schulz]

Geronimo:
> Tom H wrote:
>
>> It looks like you've found a gem, especially given the external card
>> and this post by Colin Watson (#54):

I don't think that's related. The issue cannot be resolved by removing
the external card.

>> You can also verify this at a lower level by trying 'lspci' at a GRUB
>> prompt.  If it's the same problem, this will hang.
> 
> Just tried to execute 'lspci' from GRUB prompt. Worked fine - no freeze.
> ... so may be it is another cause, but the same symptom ...

ACK, it's probably another issue. But you may still want to refer to
this bug number in your new report. See here for details about the
format if you don't use reportbug:

http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

You can probably leave out all the details in this thread. The
interesting points probably are:

- Happens with grub-pc 1.98+20100804-14
- Looks almost like #594967
- Disabling vga mode makes the system bootable again
- lspci from grub's prompt succeeds

I would use at least "Severity: important".

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Re: System becomes very slow after update to squeeze 6.0.1

[shawn wilson]

first, you might want to reply to the list. i'll go through what i see
here for now.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Jackie Wang  wrote:

>
> root@Ming:~# lspci
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 Host Bridge
> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (Internal
> gfx)
> 00:04.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Device 7914
> 00:05.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI
> Express Port 1)
> 00:06.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI
> Express Port 2)
> 00:12.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA
> 00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI0)
> 00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI1)
> 00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI2)
> 00:13.3 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI3)
> 00:13.4 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI4)
> 00:13.5 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB Controller (EHCI)
> 00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 14)
> 00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 IDE
> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
> 00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 PCI to LPC Bridge
> 00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge
> 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
> HyperTransport Technology Configuration
> 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
> Address Map
> 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM
> Controller
> 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
> Miscellaneous Control
> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200
> Series]

^ there's your video card but, i've left the rest in because i
don't necessarily think this is the issue here.

> 02:04.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev b6)
> 02:04.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev
> 02)
> 10:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit
> Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)



> root@Ming:~# lsmod
> Module  Size  Used by
> ppdev   5030  0
> lp  7462  0
> sco 7209  2
> bridge 39630  0
> stp 1440  1 bridge
> bnep    9427  2
> l2cap  24736  3 bnep
> bluetooth  41827  5 sco,bnep,l2cap
> rfkill 13044  3 bluetooth
> powernow_k8    10978  1
> cpufreq_stats   2659  0
> cpufreq_conservative 5162  0
> cpufreq_userspace   1992  0
> cpufreq_powersave    902  0
> binfmt_misc 6431  1
> uinput  6376  1
> fuse   50892  1
> loop   11799  0
> firewire_sbp2  11514  0
> snd_hda_codec_analog    64562  1
> snd_hda_intel  20035  1
> snd_hda_codec  54244  2 snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel
> snd_hwdep   5380  1 snd_hda_codec
> snd_pcm    60503  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
> snd_seq    42881  0
> snd_timer  15582  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
> snd_seq_device  4493  1 snd_seq
> radeon    574188  2
> snd    46446  10
> snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
> ttm    40146  1 radeon
> pcmcia 19474  0
> drm_kms_helper 20065  1 radeon
> drm   142359  4 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
> yenta_socket   19115  1
> rsrc_nonstatic  7294  1 yenta_socket
> i2c_algo_bit    4225  1 radeon
> joydev  8459  0
> soundcore   4598  1 snd
> hp_accel   11056  0
> lis3lv02d   5173  1 hp_accel
> input_polldev   1967  1 lis3lv02d
> snd_page_alloc  6249  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
> edac_core  29261  0
> video  17445  0
> pcmcia_core    24118  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
> shpchp 26264  0
> led_class   2433  1 hp_accel
> i2c_piix4   8328  0
> parport_pc 18855  1
> i2c_core   15819  5
> radeon,drm_kms_helper,drm,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_piix4
> edac_mce_amd    6433  0
> k8temp  3283  0
> pci_hotplug    21203  1 shpchp
> parport    27954  3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc
> output  1692  1 video
> tpm_infineon    7499  0
> tpm    10119  1 tpm_infineon
> psmouse    49937  0
> evdev   7352  14
> tpm_bios    4521  1 tpm
> processor  29935  1 powernow_k8
> ac  2192  0
> pcspkr  1699  0
> wmi 4323  0
> container   2389  0
> battery  

Re: Icedove 2.0.0.24 on Lenny

[Lisi]

On Friday 25 March 2011 12:59:17 Estelmann, Christian wrote:
> Open the account settings. You should see something like this:
> http://cybernetnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/thunderbird25.jpg
> The field "Email address" (here: cybernetn...@gmail.com) is the
> "from"-field which you are looking for.
>
> You also can add different identities. When writing a mail, you then
> have the choice which address you want to use (drop-down-menu). To add a
> new identity click on "Manage identities..." (see link above). Then
> click add and fill out some fields (of course name and mail-address
> (gmail)). Select the new SMTP-server.

Thank you so much, Christian. :-)  I really appreciate this.

And - bingo!!  This is the answer.  I cannot think how I missed/forgot it.  My 
only excuse is that I currently have a brain full of particularly thick 
treacle. :-(

Lisi


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Re: Compiling Firefox

[Peter Smith]

On 3/25/11, Chris Bannister  wrote:
>
> I believe you'll have better luck getting an answer from:
> pkg-mozilla-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
>

Thank you very much. I did not know that list.


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Rick Thomas  wrote:
> >  Clearly I was wrong and we've returned to the days of editing
> > configuration files by hand as the preferred mode of system
> > administration.  Such is life!
> > 
> > PS: I understand the argument that the GNOME upstream folks have moved on
> > and do not support gdm anymore.  I further understand the argument that
> > Debian can't go-it alone without upstream support.
> > 
> > But I don't have to like the result!
> 
> LOL to the last comment - and I agree.
> 
> GNOME's fallen into a habit of setting certain defaults and only
> providing a CLI method of changing them. IIRC, one of the arguments
> for this design decision is that having too many different settings
> confuses users.

"normal" conclusion of the desire not to confuse the user would be the 
introduction of an expert switch.

... but gnome developers had decided to be simple, not user friendly, with the 
result that people like me, that don't like kde and don't want to support 
change of development direction end up using kde, cause simple gnome is not 
usable any more.

Some decisions really make sense ;)

ubuntu will leave gnome, others will follow, so soon nobody can remember about 
gnome ;)


kind regards

Gero


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Re: Problem/regression on ETPS elantech touchpad

[Pier Paolo]

2011/3/24 Matt Harrison 

> Sorry to top post this, but I'm in a hurry.  I actually got my
> touchpad working again.  I'll dig up the documentation that I used and
> post it when I find it, unless someone else is able to get it to you
> first.  It has something to do with creating a configuration file and
> setting something with modprob up.
>
> thankyou, hope forseeing some: i got my touchpad working, but as a
macintosh one or something... (see xorg.log below)
and yes, create a 55- /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d to overcame
/usr/share/doc/X11/50-synaptics.conf
and actually scrolling and going around is very troublesome...

please help ;) (it is not only a matter of synaptics parameters...)

 On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Pier Paolo 
> wrote:
> > 2011/3/22 Pier Paolo 
> >>
> >>   Hi all,
> >> after last upgrade of Squeeze i am in severe troubles with my touchpad:
> >> cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep ETPS
> >> N: Name="ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad"
> >
> > Without any xorg.conf.d the problem remains (no tap, unusable at all
> > twofinger-scroll); i searched througth debian's bugs and google, but no
> > results. It seems X reject the actual mouse1 ETPS and use a
> (nonexixtent?)
> > mouse0 macintosh...
> > /proc/bus/input/devices:
> > 67-I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=000e Version=
> > 68:N: Name="ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad"
> > 69-P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0
> > 70-S: Sysfs=/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input7
> > 71-U: Uniq=
> > 72-H: Handlers=mouse1 event7
> > 73-B: EV=b
> > 74-B: KEY=6420 7 0 0 0 0
> > 75-B: ABS=f0003
> > That's the relevant xorg.log:
> > (II) config/udev: Adding input device ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad
> > (/dev/input/event7)
> > (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad
> catchall"
> > (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
> > (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
> > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
> > (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> > compiled for 1.7.6.901, module version = 1.2.2
> > Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
> > ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 7.0
> > (II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 1.2.2
> > (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event7"
> > (II) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: x-axis range 8 - 1144
> > (II) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: y-axis range 8 - 760
> > (II) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: device does not report pressure, will use
> > touch data.
> > (II) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: finger width range 0 - 0
> > (II) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: buttons: left right middle double triple
> > (--) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: touchpad found
> > (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: always reports core events
> > (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad"
> (type:
> > TOUCHPAD)
> > (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
> > (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) acceleration profile 0
> > (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
> > (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
> > (--) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: touchpad found
> > (II) config/udev: Adding input device ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad
> > (/dev/input/mouse1)
> > (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
> > (II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 1.2.2
> > ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad no synaptics event device found
> > (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse1"
> > Query no Synaptics: 6003C8
> > (--) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: no supported touchpad found
> > (EE) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics
> hardware.
> > (EE) PreInit failed for input device "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad"
> > (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics"
> > ...
> > (II) config/udev: Adding input device Macintosh mouse button emulation
> > (/dev/input/event0)
> > (**) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer
> > catchall"
> > (**) Macintosh mouse button emulation: always reports core events
> > (**) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
> > (II) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Found 3 mouse buttons
> > (II) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Found relative axes
> > (II) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Found x and y relative axes
> > (II) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Configuring as mouse
> > (**) Macintosh mouse button emulation: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
> > (**) Macintosh mouse button emulation: EmulateWheelButton: 4,
> > EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
> > (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Macintosh mouse button
> emulation"
> > (type: MOUSE)
> > (II) Macintosh mouse button emulation: initialized for relative axes.
> > (II) config/udev: Adding input device Macintosh mouse button emulation
> > (/dev/input/mouse0)
> > (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
> > ...
> > (--) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: touchpad found
> > ...
> > (--) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: touchpad found
> > ...
> >
> >>
> >> Above all I can

Re: libXm.so.3

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On 2011-03-24 16:58:43 Joe Riel wrote:
>Any idea where I can get a 64 bit version of libXm.so.3?
>My understanding is that it is part of libmotif3, but
>that isn't part of Debian.

That true.  However, it is made available in the non-free section.  libmotif3 
is in oldstable/non-free.

In Squeeze, testing (Wheezy), and unstable (Sid), it has been replaced with 
libmotif4 which provides libXm.so.4.
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Re: [SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?

[Tom H]

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Rick Thomas  wrote:
> On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Tom H wrote:


>> Wouldn't it be better to keep gdm3 and customize it?
>>
>> http://www.khattam.info/howto-change-gdm-3-theme-and-wallpaper-2010-11-14.html
>
> Interesting.  Is the presence and structure of those configuration files
> documented anywhere? Was this mentioned in the release notes?

I'm not sure that this qualifies for the release notes but I'd hope
that it is or will be documented on debian.org.


> I'll admit I didn't even try to RTFM to before I asked.  I just assumed that
> if it was intuitive to use and had a simple gui in gdm, it should have at
> least that much user friendliness in the replacement, gdm3.  Clearly I was
> wrong and we've returned to the days of editing configuration files by hand
> as the preferred mode of system administration.  Such is life!
>
> PS: I understand the argument that the GNOME upstream folks have moved on
> and do not support gdm anymore.  I further understand the argument that
> Debian can't go-it alone without upstream support.
>
> But I don't have to like the result!

LOL to the last comment - and I agree.

GNOME's fallen into a habit of setting certain defaults and only
providing a CLI method of changing them. IIRC, one of the arguments
for this design decision is that having too many different settings
confuses users.


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Tom H wrote:
> It looks like you've found a gem, especially given the external card
> and this post by Colin Watson (#54):
> 
> One effect of these changes was to load the video_cirrus and video_bochs
> modules by default (you can test whether this is the culprit by
> commenting them out in grub.cfg).  I've seen a handful of systems that
> hang while trying to enumerate the PCI bus in GRUB; it so happens that
> those are the only modules that usually trigger GRUB's PCI bus
> enumeration in normal circumstances ...
> 
> You can also verify this at a lower level by trying 'lspci' at a GRUB
> prompt.  If it's the same problem, this will hang.

Just tried to execute 'lspci' from GRUB prompt. Worked fine - no freeze.
... so may be it is another cause, but the same symptom ...


kind regards

Gero


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Geronimo  wrote:
> > LOL - beside that, I don't have an mta configured to access internet and
> > don't like to do so. So I'll communicate using email (kmail) or
> > iceweasel - no more.
> 
> You don't need an mta.

I already filed that bugreport using email only.

The template from http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is missing the entry 
"Severity", so my bugreport is not as desired.
May be a list admin can change that?


kind regards

Gero


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Geronimo  wrote:
> > Tom H wrote:
> >> - Does grub-probe on squeeze and maverick return the same values?
> > 
> > Looks like this is true. See attachments.
> 
> Yes. Although the "after some reboots" result of having hd4 correspond
> to sda is strange.

LOL - that's my every day business :)

Changing device names caused by switching a drive from backplane on sounds 
reasonable to me. But I don't understand changing of drive naming without 
changing active drives.

> May be we should've also used "search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set
> 59c82698-6fcc-4512-a51c-261348d637da" rather than "set
> root='(hd2,msdos2)'" just to be sure to be using the correct
> partition.

Sorry, but I don't understand that much, that I know, where to put your 
changes, so please tell me the entire section and I'll perform that test.

> Sorry.

No reason for sorry! - Tell my what I should test and I'll do that test.


kind regards

Gero


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Geronimo  wrote:
> Michelle Konzack wrote:
>>
>>     reportbug debian-installer
>
> Thanks a lot for that hint.
>
> but see what happens:
> $ reportbug
> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/reportbug/ui/gtk2_ui.py:476: PangoWarning:
> pango_layout_set_width: assertion `layout != NULL' failed
>  gtk.main ()
> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/reportbug/ui/gtk2_ui.py:476: PangoWarning:
> pango_layout_get_extents: assertion `layout != NULL' failed
>  gtk.main ()
> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/reportbug/ui/gtk2_ui.py:476: PangoWarning:
> pango_layout_get_line_count: assertion `layout != NULL' failed
>  gtk.main ()
> Gleitkomma-Ausnahme
>
> LOL - beside that, I don't have an mta configured to access internet and don't
> like to do so. So I'll communicate using email (kmail) or iceweasel - no more.

You don't need an mta.


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Re: Bug in grub-pc results in unbootable system after installation (was: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?)

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Thanks for your persistence,
> I already feared you might give up on that one.

I love debian and for me there's no alternative, so I can't give up!
 
> BTW, I was wrong about the fix not being part of squeeze: the link above
> says the fix should be included in 1.98+20100804-12. But there's another
> user (message #154) that says the issue isn't fixed yet. 

As Tom and you stated, that the update from 6.0 to 6.0.1 did not change grub, 
So the question is not, whether that bug is fixed or not.

The most *important* question is, *which* change caused grub to break - as 
grub worked fine (beside having to patch grub.cfg for hdx) before the 6.0.1 
update.

> You can simply send en email to 594967 at bugs.debian.org and try to get
> Colin Watson's attention.

Should I? - I don't have any information, that's not already part of the bug 
report.

Sorry for not having googled by myself, but sometimes you don't have the right 
idea/search-token ...


kind regards

Gero


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Michelle Konzack
 wrote:
> Am 2011-03-21 19:08:33, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
>>
>> There's no choice to use another boot-manager. You have to use grub (which
>> silently is grub2) or you have to use grub2. If grub2 is really stil beta -
>> what the hell does it do in debian stable?
>
> This is not right, because you can choose LILO.

Not in "normal" install mode.


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Michelle Konzack
 wrote:
> Am 2011-03-21 12:40:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
>>
>> Of course, it could be that your mobo doesn't like grub2.  Since the
>> grub and Debian developers know that, they made a big, fat warning
>> when wanting to install grub2, asking if you're sure that you want
>> to do it, since grub2 is still in beta, so it might break.
>
> BUT WHY is grub2 the default for Squeeze?

Because upstream's given up on both lilo (it was rescued in extremis
by Debian) and grub1 (only Fedora's still developing it).


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Jochen Schulz
 wrote:
> Geronimo:
>>
>> Rebooting from debian after a grub-install/update-grub, situation is shown by
>> picture grub01.png
>
> This doesn't look *that* bad. It hangs right before showing the menu or
> at least its command line. I googled for "welcome to grub!" and found
> a hint that this *might* actually be a graphics problem. See this bug
> report:
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594967
>
> It looks like the fix didn't make into stable, but you can try setting
> GRUB_TERMINAL=console.

It looks like you've found a gem, especially given the external card
and this post by Colin Watson (#54):

One effect of these changes was to load the video_cirrus and video_bochs
modules by default (you can test whether this is the culprit by
commenting them out in grub.cfg).  I've seen a handful of systems that
hang while trying to enumerate the PCI bus in GRUB; it so happens that
those are the only modules that usually trigger GRUB's PCI bus
enumeration in normal circumstances ...

You can also verify this at a lower level by trying 'lspci' at a GRUB
prompt.  If it's the same problem, this will hang.


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Geronimo  wrote:
> Tom H wrote:


>> - Does grub-probe on squeeze and maverick return the same values?
>
> Looks like this is true. See attachments.

Yes. Although the "after some reboots" result of having hd4 correspond
to sda is strange.


>> - Can you chainload squeeze's grub from maverick's?
>
> From maverick the boot drive after update-grub is now hd2
>
> output from chainload:
>        booting a command list
>        error: no such partition
>        Press any key to continue
>
> When I edit the chainload-entry and change "hd2" to i.e. hd1, the output is as
> follows:
>        booting a command list
>        error: hd1,msdos2 cannot get C/H/S values
>        Press any key to continue
>
> From the ubuntus grub.cfg both ubuntu and debian are bootable.

May be we should've also used "search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set
59c82698-6fcc-4512-a51c-261348d637da" rather than "set
root='(hd2,msdos2)'" just to be sure to be using the correct
partition.

However, I'm not sure that it would've worked. Even though you can
chainload grub2 from grub1 with "kernel /boot/grub/core.img", I can't
seem to be able to chainload grub2 from grub2 with "linux
/boot/grub/core.img". "configfile ..." workd (thankfully) but it isn't
quite what I wanted to check... Sorry.


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[Jochen Schulz]

Geronimo:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>
>> a hint that this *might* actually be a graphics problem. See this bug
>> report:
>> 
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594967
>> 
>> It looks like the fix didn't make into stable, but you can try setting
>> GRUB_TERMINAL=console.
> 
> You ARE my hero :D

All it took was pasting the message from your screen into Google. ;-) I
am glad that we found a solution. Thanks for your persistence, I already
feared you might give up on that one.

BTW, I was wrong about the fix not being part of squeeze: the link above
says the fix should be included in 1.98+20100804-12. But there's another
user (message #154) that says the issue isn't fixed yet. You can simply
send en email to 594967 at bugs.debian.org and try to get Colin Watson's
attention.

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Re: Icedove 2.0.0.24 on Lenny

[Estelmann, Christian]

Open the account settings. You should see something like this:
http://cybernetnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/thunderbird25.jpg
The field "Email address" (here: cybernetn...@gmail.com) is the 
"from"-field which you are looking for.


You also can add different identities. When writing a mail, you then 
have the choice which address you want to use (drop-down-menu). To add a 
new identity click on "Manage identities..." (see link above). Then 
click add and fill out some fields (of course name and mail-address 
(gmail)). Select the new SMTP-server.


Am 25.03.2011 12:47, schrieb Lisi:

Thanks, Christian.

I have done that, but it has made no difference.
It still doesn't alter the fact that, regardless of what the ISP does or
doesn't allow, I cannot find anywhere in Icedove to change the "from" email
address in outgoing mail.

My husband is currently running the same version of Icedove at the same ISP as
the OldISP.  He also has a googlemail account, but is not setup to use it as
a send-from address.  Since the problem PC _was_ sending quite happily using
a Gmail address, it must have accepted the setting.  But I can't find
anywhere to change it on either computer.

It also follows that I *did* know how to do it. :-(

Lisi


   



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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Tom H]

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Brian  wrote:
> On Thu 24 Mar 2011 at 13:20:08 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>
>> You'd have to edit the scripts in order to modify the titles - and
>> re-edit them the next time that they are updated through an update of
>> grub.
>
> Aren't the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ conffiles?

"dpkg --status ..." says that they are. I haven't edited them in a
while and so I can't speak to the conffile status being upheld but it
definitely wasn't in the past because I and others have had changes
over-written.


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Hello Geronimo,
> 
> Am 2011-03-23 09:58:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> > > I agree. How about a wishlist bug against debian-installer?
> > 
> > Ok, when I found out, how to do that, I'll do it.
> 
> reportbug debian-installer

Thanks a lot for that hint.

but see what happens: 
$ reportbug
/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/reportbug/ui/gtk2_ui.py:476: PangoWarning: 
pango_layout_set_width: assertion `layout != NULL' failed
  gtk.main ()
/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/reportbug/ui/gtk2_ui.py:476: PangoWarning: 
pango_layout_get_extents: assertion `layout != NULL' failed
  gtk.main ()
/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/reportbug/ui/gtk2_ui.py:476: PangoWarning: 
pango_layout_get_line_count: assertion `layout != NULL' failed
  gtk.main ()
Gleitkomma-Ausnahme


LOL - beside that, I don't have an mta configured to access internet and don't 
like to do so. So I'll communicate using email (kmail) or iceweasel - no more.


May be, I find a webinterface to use.


kind regards

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Re: wireless-next / wireless-testing

[Volkan YAZICI]

wext module is a little bit outdated -- AFAIK, no new features were
introduced since years, just maintanance and bug fixes. I'd recommend
sticking with mac80211 family of modules, which are planned to replace
wext and are under active development.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:05:27 +0100, Mathieu Malaterre writes:
> Did anyone ever compiled a custom debian kernel module based on
> wireless-next/wireless-testing ? I would like to try out a new driver
> for my machine but do not know how to start.


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Command: groupadd k8055, makes system crash

[Mats Olofsson]

Se attached document.

reportbug also seem to crash on my maschine?


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Geronimo,

Am 2011-03-23 09:58:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> > I agree. How about a wishlist bug against debian-installer?
> Ok, when I found out, how to do that, I'll do it.

reportbug debian-installer

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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Geronimo wrote:
> > There's no choice to use another boot-manager. You have to use grub
> > (which  silently is grub2) or you have to use grub2. If grub2 is really
> > stil beta - what the hell does it do in debian stable?
> 
> This is not right, because you can choose LILO.

AFAIK you don't have this choice from installer, only after installation - and 
if first reboot after installer fails, you don't have any choice!


kind regards

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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Jochen Schulz wrote:
> a hint that this *might* actually be a graphics problem. See this bug
> report:
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594967
> 
> It looks like the fix didn't make into stable, but you can try setting
> GRUB_TERMINAL=console.

You ARE my hero :D

Unbelievable! GREAT! 

uncommenting GRUB_TERMINAL from /etc/default/grub works.
After uncommenting I executed "grub-install" followed by "update-grub" and it 
works without having to patch /boot/grub/grub.cfg


Now the remaining question is: wtf changed grafics settings for last update, as 
I did not changed HW for about half a year.


Great, great - I can live very well without grub grafics, so no problem at all.
So I skip installation of debian 6.0 


kind regards

Gero


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Ron Johnson,

Am 2011-03-21 13:23:56, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> When I installed Squeeze, it absolutely asked if I wanted grub or
> grub2.  (Maybe because I used Expert Mode?)

I install in Expert-Mode, but the installer  give  me  only  the  choice
between Grub2 and Lilo.

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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Geronimo,

Am 2011-03-21 19:08:33, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > to do it, since grub2 is still in beta, so it might break.
> 
> Huh? - Did you ever installed a debian 6.x?
> 
> There's no choice to use another boot-manager. You have to use grub (which 
> silently is grub2) or you have to use grub2. If grub2 is really stil beta - 
> what the hell does it do in debian stable?

This is not right, because you can choose LILO.

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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Ron Johnson,

Am 2011-03-21 12:40:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> Of course, it could be that your mobo doesn't like grub2.  Since the
> grub and Debian developers know that, they made a big, fat warning
> when wanting to install grub2, asking if you're sure that you want
> to do it, since grub2 is still in beta, so it might break.

BUT WHY is grub2 the default for Squeeze?

It breaks installation on 3 of 5 different Mainboards in my office.
Also I have probems on a Sun Fire and an IBM eServer...

Runing Lilo for now 12 years witout problems even on Raid

Also Mounting by UUID is the last crap, because users can mount  devives
but not umount.  I get an error that fstab does  not  match  mtab.  What
crap is this?

In fstab Squeeze has written UUIDs while in mtab you find /dev/sdN which
cause the problems

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Re: Icedove 2.0.0.24 on Lenny

[Lisi]

On Friday 25 March 2011 10:52:00 Estelmann, Christian wrote:
> Why aren't you using the Google SMTP-Server (smtp.gmail.com)? Send mails
> with his Googlemail-address through this server.
>
> Normally mail servers are not configured, to accept every address as
> sender, only your address (@isp.com) - because of spam. The server
> of the old provider might have accepted it, the server of the new ones
> apparently not.
>
> Am 25.03.2011 11:33, schrieb Lisi:
> > I have recently migrated someone to a new ISP.  For this ISP his username
> > is his email address with that ISP: @ISP.com.  I have edited the
> > SMTP settings so that he uses their SMTP server.
> >
> > And now he cannot send "from" his preferred, Googlemail email address. 
> > It has been changed so that his email address at the top of his sent
> > emails is: @ISP.com.  I have done nothing to bring about this
> > change, other than change the smtp server details from his old ISP's SMTP
> > server to his new. How do I reverse it?  He still wants people to use his
> > gmail address, even thogh he has another SMTP server.

Thanks, Christian.

I have done that, but it has made no difference.
It still doesn't alter the fact that, regardless of what the ISP does or 
doesn't allow, I cannot find anywhere in Icedove to change the "from" email 
address in outgoing mail.

My husband is currently running the same version of Icedove at the same ISP as 
the OldISP.  He also has a googlemail account, but is not setup to use it as 
a send-from address.  Since the problem PC _was_ sending quite happily using 
a Gmail address, it must have accepted the setting.  But I can't find 
anywhere to change it on either computer.

It also follows that I *did* know how to do it. :-(

Lisi


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Jochen Schulz]

Geronimo:
> 
> Rebooting from debian after a grub-install/update-grub, situation is shown by 
> picture grub01.png

This doesn't look *that* bad. It hangs right before showing the menu or
at least its command line. I googled for "welcome to grub!" and found
a hint that this *might* actually be a graphics problem. See this bug
report:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594967

It looks like the fix didn't make into stable, but you can try setting
GRUB_TERMINAL=console.

> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> Can you still make the system bootable again just by removing the extra
>> SATA controller? 
> 
> No. after removing controller, grub shows less than with controller (picture 
> grub02.png).

This is weird. To me, that suggests that grub tries to load one of the
stages from one of the disks on that controller. But I might be wrong.

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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Geronimo:
> > From a closer look to dpkg.log - there has been updates of python and
> > grub uses python. Could this lead the different behaviour?
> 
> Looking at your dpkg.log again, I notice that grub-pc has been purged
> and replaced by grub-legacy. Which version of grub are we talking about
> again? :)

As installation of grub-legacy resulted in an error - I purged that too and 
reinstalled grub2, to continue testing.
 - so I don't and didn't loose a word about grub-legacy.


My boot drive currently has 3 primary partitions:
1. Debian stable (my root fs)
2. /boot for debian stable
3. Ubuntu 10.10


calling grub-install from debian stable results in an unbootable machine, 
calling grub-install from ubuntu results in a stable system, where I can boot 
both ubuntu and debian.


regarding to tests 6.0 - download of dvd-1 completed, disk is beeing burned.
tbc ;)


kind regards 

Gero


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Re: Icedove 2.0.0.24 on Lenny

[Estelmann, Christian]

Why aren't you using the Google SMTP-Server (smtp.gmail.com)? Send mails
with his Googlemail-address through this server.

Normally mail servers are not configured, to accept every address as
sender, only your address (@isp.com) - because of spam. The server
of the old provider might have accepted it, the server of the new ones
apparently not.

Am 25.03.2011 11:33, schrieb Lisi:
> I have recently migrated someone to a new ISP.  For this ISP his username is 
> his email address with that ISP: @ISP.com.  I have edited the SMTP 
> settings so that he uses their SMTP server.
>
> And now he cannot send "from" his preferred, Googlemail email address.  It 
> has 
> been changed so that his email address at the top of his sent emails is: 
> @ISP.com.  I have done nothing to bring about this change, other than 
> change the smtp server details from his old ISP's SMTP server to his new.  
> How do I reverse it?  He still wants people to use his gmail address, even 
> thogh he has another SMTP server.  
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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Brian]

On Fri 25 Mar 2011 at 10:14:04 +, Brian wrote:

> exec tail -n +3 50

That should be

exec tail -n +3 $0

The file also needs to be made executable.


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Jochen Schulz]

Geronimo:
> 
> From a closer look to dpkg.log - there has been updates of python and grub 
> uses python. Could this lead the different behaviour?

Looking at your dpkg.log again, I notice that grub-pc has been purged
and replaced by grub-legacy. Which version of grub are we talking about
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[Lisi]

I have recently migrated someone to a new ISP.  For this ISP his username is 
his email address with that ISP: @ISP.com.  I have edited the SMTP 
settings so that he uses their SMTP server.

And now he cannot send "from" his preferred, Googlemail email address.  It has 
been changed so that his email address at the top of his sent emails is: 
@ISP.com.  I have done nothing to bring about this change, other than 
change the smtp server details from his old ISP's SMTP server to his new.  
How do I reverse it?  He still wants people to use his gmail address, even 
thogh he has another SMTP server.  

What is the most baffling about this is that he was sending without a 
problem "from" his Gmail address when the SMTP server was smtp.oldISP.com.

To summarise: How can I put it right??  

Needless to say, I have clicked on every button and explored every corner in 
Icedove that I could find, and have googled.

And, if you are feeling extra generous, why did it happen?  As I say he was 
already using an email address that wasn't his ISP's.

I don't remember having a problem with this last time I set it up for him. :-/

Thanks,
Lisi


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Brian]

On Thu 24 Mar 2011 at 14:12:19 -0700, Mark wrote:

> So when it's all said and done, it sounds like the safest bet is to edit the
> file that says in all caps DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE.

Not at all. Create /etc/grub.d/30_otheros and edit it.

#!/bin/bash
exec tail -n +3 50

menuentry "Windows" {
set root=(hd1,msdos1)
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 
chainloader +1
}

Then: update-grub.


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Re: FAT filesystem with a directory cycle

[Joel Roth]

On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 02:23:40PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/03/2011 05:55 AM, Joel Roth wrote:
> >On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 06:31:49AM -0500, shawn wilson wrote:
> [snip]
> >>
> >>I thought fsck was a bit based integrity checker and didn't care about
> >>directories?... and how do you know what directory fsck is on anyway?
> >
> >The same warning repeated endlessly
> >
> 
> Show us.  Include *everything*.  (Snip after 5 lines of repetition.)

Hi again,

After a break I went back to try to repair the
virus-infested 30GB partition:

fsck.msdos -a xp_sda1.img

After several hours of error repairing, mostly in the WinSxS
directory, fsck.msdos gets stuck in a loop, repeating the
following lines endlessly while incrementing the count.

Regards,

/WINDOWS/WinSxS/x86_Microsoft.MSXML2_6bd6b9abf345378f_4.20.9818.0_x-ww_8ff50c5d/�i�F\014$\023�.i��/ghtColor.\001\000\011/FSCK.014/��,��\024�2.4�b/.\001\000\000
  Duplicate directory entry.
  FirstSize 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Second   Size 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Auto-renaming second.
  Renamed to FSCK0005.286
/WINDOWS/WinSxS/x86_Microsoft.MSXML2_6bd6b9abf345378f_4.20.9818.0_x-ww_8ff50c5d/�i�F\014$\023�.i��/ghtColor.\001\000\011/FSCK.014/��,��\024�2.4�b/.\001\000\000
  Duplicate directory entry.
  FirstSize 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Second   Size 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Auto-renaming second.
  Renamed to FSCK0005.287
/WINDOWS/WinSxS/x86_Microsoft.MSXML2_6bd6b9abf345378f_4.20.9818.0_x-ww_8ff50c5d/�i�F\014$\023�.i��/ghtColor.\001\000\011/FSCK.014/��,��\024�2.4�b/.\001\000\000
  Duplicate directory entry.
  FirstSize 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Second   Size 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Auto-renaming second.
  Renamed to FSCK0005.288
/WINDOWS/WinSxS/x86_Microsoft.MSXML2_6bd6b9abf345378f_4.20.9818.0_x-ww_8ff50c5d/�i�F\014$\023�.i��/ghtColor.\001\000\011/FSCK.014/��,��\024�2.4�b/���?.\001\000\000
  Duplicate directory entry.
  FirstSize 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Second   Size 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Auto-renaming second.
  Renamed to FSCK0005.289
/WINDOWS/WinSxS/x86_Microsoft.MSXML2_6bd6b9abf345378f_4.20.9818.0_x-ww_8ff50c5d/�i�F\014$\023�.i��/ghtColor.\001\000\011/FSCK.014/��,��\024�2.4�b/.\001\000\000
  Duplicate directory entry.
  FirstSize 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Second   Size 0 bytes, date 22:04:02 Dec 31 1979
  Auto-renaming second.
  Renamed to FSCK0005.290



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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:06 AM, Tom H  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Geronimo  wrote:
>>
>> Seems like 6.0.0 disk images have been removed from mirrors too.
>> As I normally use netinst-CDs only, I can't do that tests. Sorry.
>
> http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian-cd/
> still has 6.0.0 images; for the time being.

http://mirror.yellowfiber.net/debian-cd/
too


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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Geronimo  wrote:
>
> Seems like 6.0.0 disk images have been removed from mirrors too.
> As I normally use netinst-CDs only, I can't do that tests. Sorry.

http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian-cd/
still has 6.0.0 images; for the time being.


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wireless-next / wireless-testing

[Mathieu Malaterre]

Hi,

  Did anyone ever compiled a custom debian kernel module based on
wireless-next/wireless-testing ? I would like to try out a new driver
for my machine but do not know how to start.

Thanks,
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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Geronimo:
> > Jochen Schulz wrote:
> >> AFAICS, we can rule out the kernel as the cuplrit completely, as grub
> >> doesn't even get that far.

Today appointments have been cancelled, so I can dedicate myself to grub 
issues.

The fact, that the output of grub changes by removing the external controller 
causes me some headache ...

Does this habbit imply, that BIOS activates the wrong drive?
... but if so, how can grub from ubuntu boot successfully

Or does the different output means, that grub jumps from one mbr to the mbr of 
another drive?

From a closer look to dpkg.log - there has been updates of python and grub 
uses python. Could this lead the different behaviour?


I skimmed the sources of grub and from what I saw, grub does not use libraries 
or kernel stuff, but has reinvented every wheel.
I don't know enuf of assembler to get rid of what's really going on ...

So I have some more questions:
1.) Is there any tool to verify the generated boot.img or tell, what that 
boot.img tries to do?

2.) would it be possible to create several mbr-images that behave different, 
like beep at different frequency or write a little message to screen, ...
... just to verify, which mbr is activated from BIOS

3.) If the pictures from my other post lead to the fact, that BIOS activated 
the right grub image, but that crashed, is there a way to get rid of what grub 
is doing/trying - means, is there a verbose switch or some kind of logging to 
enable?


kind regards

Gero


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Re: Compiling Firefox

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 05:37:22PM +0100, Peter Smith wrote:
> I want to compile Firefox 3.6 on Debian Squeeze and place everything
> in the /opt directory. I want the compiled browser to have some
> security modifications. The first thing i have added to mozconfig is
> the following three lines:
> 
> export CFLAGS="-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector-all"
> export CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
> export CPPFLAGS="${CFLAGS}

I believe you'll have better luck getting an answer from:
pkg-mozilla-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org

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Re: mutt, exim, sender's email address

[kuLa]

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On 24/03/11 21:53, Mike McClain wrote:
> Is there any automatic way to have the sender's email address 
> changed depending on whether or not the mail is going to a list?
> I try to use one address for lists which get published world wide
> and another for business that only goes to a select few. I've a tiny
> script to change the address in /etc/email-addresses which affects
> outgoing mail but try as hard as I might I still forget to switch
> sometimes and the address I'd like to keep private goes public.
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 

I would suggest to check 'rewrite' clause in the exim config file/s this
should help a bit
http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.72/doc/html/spec_html/ch31.html

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Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?

[Geronimo]

Hello,

I did the tests, you asked me for.
This time I'll attach some pictures, as pictures say more than thousand words 
...

Rebooting from debian after a grub-install/update-grub, situation is shown by 
picture grub01.png
This time I waited more than 10 minutes, so it might be stated, that grub 
isn't busy, but crashed.

Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Can you still make the system bootable again just by removing the extra
> SATA controller? 

No. after removing controller, grub shows less than with controller (picture 
grub02.png).

> Does it suffice to remove the disks from that controller? 

There's no difference, removing just the cables from the controller or removing 
the controller completely (grub02.png).

Remember: there's no system drive attached to the external controller and in 
between I wiped out every MBR except the one from the drive, that should be 
booted from.

> Is there anything else you can do with the hardware or the BIOS to make it
> bootable again?

I don't know what.

BIOS boot order is checked, order of bootable harddisks from BIOS is checked 
too, the drive, that should be booted from is attached to the first Mainboard 
SATA-port ...

So I have no idea, what to change from HW.

> >> Ok, that's great! I would say that makes you eligible to file a bug
> >> report against d-i. :) Can you diff the grub.cfg against the one
> >> generated by 6.0?
> > 
> > How should I do that?
> 
> It should be possible to use CD/DVD1 of the 6.0.0 installer and prevent
> upgrades from being installed. The easiest way is probably to unplug the
> network cable during installation.

Seems like 6.0.0 disk images have been removed from mirrors too.
As I normally use netinst-CDs only, I can't do that tests. Sorry.


kind regards

Gero
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