date:20110511

On 2011-05-11 18:11:56 shawn wilson wrote:
>this thread still doesn't have an OT in the subject!

It does here: "Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself".
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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

On 2011-05-11 17:50:25 teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote:
>Jeroen privately mailed a reply to my message as well.
>
>And again your complaining about spam  jeroen, yours is the only spam I have
>seen today,

From :
spam (countable and uncountable; plural spams)
1. (uncountable, computing, Internet) A collection of unsolicited bulk 
electronic messages. 
I get far too much spam.
2. (uncountable, computing, Internet) Any undesired electronic content 
automatically generated for commercial purposes.
3. (countable, rare, computing, Internet) An unsolicited electronic message 
sent in bulk, usually by email or newsgroups. 
I received 58 spams yesterday.
4. Alternative form of SPAM.

Jeroen's message wasn't SPAM.  It wasn't sent in bulk, so it doesn't qualify 
under definition #1 or #3.  It wasn't commercial in nature, so it doesn't 
qualify under definition #2.  It wasn't (made of) meat, so it doesn't qualify 
under definition #4.
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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote:
>On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
>> > Lisi wrote:
>> >> It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail.  And I
>> >> thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention
>> >> unpleasant.
>> > 
>> > What you say is untrue. The code of conduct clearly states the
>> > following:
>> > 
>> > http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
>> > 
>> > "Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private
>> > mail, unless agreed beforehand."
>> 
>> IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states his/
>> her desire to keep a private conversation..."
>
>+1

-1

>Unless the user states that it is a private email, or it is obviously
>discrete, the most expeditious thing is to forward it to the list.

It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message to be 
private or not.  Making the reply public and cause significant and 
irreversible damage.  Whereas, keeping the reply private causes, at most, 
temporary and reversible damage.

Replies to private messages should be kept private.  It is easy enough to 
prompt the sender to use the list for future correspondence and simultaneously 
give you permissions for your private message to be quoted in a public forum.
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Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Paul E Condon

On 20110511_084522, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Ma, 10 mai 11, 13:42:34, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > >Not forgotten, but a consequence of the policy decision to let
> > >Debian lists be open.
> > 
> > I question the wisdom of that decision. There are ways to, on the
> > one hand not hinder openness much at all and on the other hand
> > prevent spam from getting through to the list.
> > 
> > The impact of a single spam email reaching a mailing list has a
> > bigger impact than the same spam email sent to an individual.
> 
> Hi Jeroen,
> 
> As has been pointed out, a LOT of spam is filtered, but the filters are 
> tuned to minimize false-positives. The side-effect is that some spam 
> still gets through.
> 
> An interesting solution of partial moderation has been proposed, but 
> implementation is stalling, maybe you are interested in helping out? 
> Look under the bugs for the pseudo-package lists.debian.org.

This is in the wrong fork of this thread for this message. I had
deleted most of it because I thought it had come to an end. But I'm
getting in these few posts hints of ideas that are contrary to a
policy that I very much like. 

I think a crude count would quickly show that their are more posts
kvetching about spam than there is spam. IMHO, nobody looses much time
on reading the actual spam. But a lot of people, myself included, pay
a lot of attention to ill conceived proposals for changes in Debian
policy. And I surely think it is a bad idea to suggest that the list
be moderated, with moderators being volunteers who think moderation is
a good idea. Are the people who ask for help with Ubuntu spam? Of
course not. Do they waste the time of people following this list?
Probably more so than the spam does. But the powers that be believe
that helping all comers is part of the social contract. I like that.

And should each of us be encouraged to offer help on issues about
which we know very little? Keep word counts of how much we
'contribute'? Should the policy on spam be weighted towards the
opinions of those who have the biggest word tally? 

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specific kernel configuration for graphic card driver

2011-05-11 Thread lina

Thanks, really appreciated it. please check below:

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Panayiotis Karabassis  wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi!
>
> Regarding the error you got, did you use a command line tool such as
> wget? You may have not downloaded the packages at all, but the web
> pages. Anyway the error message clearly suggests that the download was
> corrupt.

before I used wget.

>
> Here is the second try. I hope no more are needed. It installs on my
> Squeeze system, but that's as far as I got because I don't have an ATI card.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/fglrx-squeeze/downloads/list
>
> Do let me know how it goes!

1] checked

# sha1sum 11-3-0panayk2_amd64.tar.bz2
2775f7bc5d2e8099be3aa623dbe7853ede337a2b  11-3-0panayk2_amd64.tar.bz2

2] installed

The following NEW packages will be installed:
 fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-glx-ia32
 fglrx-modules-dkms

grep: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
**
NOTE: the fglrx driver is not yet configued.
Please consider /usr/bin/aticonfig to create a
working xorg.conf configuration.
For example, 'sudo aticonfig --initial' should
be sufficient for most use cases.
**
Setting up fglrx-glx (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...
Setting up fglrx-glx-ia32 (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...
Setting up fglrx-atieventsd (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...
Starting atieventsd: done.
Setting up fglrx-control (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...
Setting up fglrx-modules-dkms (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...

Creating symlink /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/11-3/source ->
                /usr/src/fglrx-11-3

DKMS: add Completed.

Kernel preparation unnecessary for this kernel.  Skipping...

Building module:
cleaning build area
make KERNELRELEASE=2.6.38-mbp82-nhg -C
/lib/modules/2.6.38-mbp82-nhg/build
M=/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/11-3/build...
cleaning build area

DKMS: build Completed.

fglrx.ko:
Running module version sanity check.
 - Original module
  - No original module exists within this kernel
 - Installation
  - Installing to /lib/modules/2.6.38-mbp82-nhg/updates/dkms/

depmod..

DKMS: install Completed.

Very well, no error reports this time, would you mind telling me what
you have done?

3] Configuration problem

/usr/bin# ./aticonfig --initial
./aticonfig: No supported adapters detected

I restarted the laptop, it's the same.
:/usr/bin# aticonfig --initial
aticonfig: No supported adapters detected

Thanks ahead for further suggestion.

>
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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

On 2011-05-11 03:32:58 Lisi wrote:
>On Wednesday 11 May 2011 08:31:36 Jeroen van Aart wrote:
>> Lisi wrote:
>> > Putting this back on list.
>> 
>> This was a private email. It was not meant to be sent to the list. I
>> would think it's generally accepted that it's rather rude to do so.
>
>It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail.

Not true.  It's against list policy to send unrequested CC's.  It is not 
against list policy to pursue an conversation that started on list (or was 
prompted by something on list) via private mail.

You violated this part of list policy: "Do not quote messages that were sent 
to you by other people in private mail, unless agreed beforehand."
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Re: [NOT SO BRIGHT UPDATE] Installing K3b installs HAL. Should I do it?

2011-05-11 Thread Juan R. de Silva

On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:45:12 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've recently switched from Lucid to Squeeze on my workstation. So, far
> I'm quite happy with the move but I'm still on a learning curve.
> 
> Back in Ubuntu I used to use K3b in GNOME since I definitely prefer it
> to Brasero. Yesterday I tried to installed K3b in Squeeze and I noticed
> that HAL would be installed with it as a dependency.  Since I was not
> sure on HAL I cancelled the installation until clarification.
> 
> I'm not familiar in depth neither with udev nor HAL. But AFAIK HAL was
> deprecated and part of its functionality now is build into udev.
> 
> What would be the consequences of HAL being installed on my fresh
> squeeze system, if any?  Would HAL conflict with udev in any way?
> Wouldn't installation of HAL degrade my fresh squeeze install?

Well, after making such a brave report about HAL on squeeze, I found that 
the reality is not so bright.

You see, I'm having here a problem with Clamav and, after installing K3b 
with HALL, I switched to deal with it. The problem with Clamav has 
nothing to do with our discussion here, and I'll make another post about 
it.

But here what I found directly related to the introduction of HAL into 
squeeze.

If you install Clamav after HAL was installed, a file /var/run/clamav/
freshclam.pid is created with root:haldaemon group:owner permissions and 
the following error is generated after installation: "ERROR: Can't save 
PID to file /var/run/clamav/freshclam.pid: Permission denied"

But if you install Clamav on a fresh squeeze without HAL installed, the 
ownership of the same file is root:clamav instead, and Clamav does 
produce this error.

While the problem is really a small one, one can always change the owner 
of the file, it shows that presence of HAL in the system might 
potentially be root of unpredictable problems since some apps are 
confused by its presence. And I can imagine that in some instances to 
find the problem of the kind could be quite time consuming.

So, I'm not sure yet, but at least for now I probably would prefer to 
live without K3b. It's a pity though. It's a best burning app over there. 
I hope K3b developers would remove this dependency soon.

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Help About Squeeze

2011-05-11 Thread Aldyth Maharsha

Hi list i'm sorry if my english too bad :-)

I'm using debian squeeze 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP running in machine AMD
Sempron(tm)   2800+ with 1GB DDR
I'm having trouble, my debian squeeze i'm using for samba file sharing and
200 user access that. My user using server for data sharing, myob, etc.
My trouble is my server like "sleep" and if it's sleep i cannot ping, ssh
and anything from another computer, to "wakeup" my server i must hit any
button in the keyboard(server keyboard) and i can ping again and after 10-15
minutes it is sleep again. I'm using two harddisk, 80GB(system and home
partition but system and home partition located at different partition),
160GB(user data sharing like office file, accounting file).

At second harddisk(160GB) have partition error but i can't using fsck
because if i'm running fsck force it is can delete the important data
because my backup server not running(down) and i must backup manually. My
log file like syslog and kern.log did not show any error, it is running like
my system is normal, i'm check with lsof +D /var/log my ryslogd runs well.
My question is what causes my debian squeeze act like it?, i'm using debian
from sarge, etch, lenny and i have never encountered this problem and i'm
believe debian still best linux distribution i'm ever have..:-)

Any idea list?, thanks before for helping

Best Regards,
Aldyth M

Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Brad Alexander

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Aaron Toponce wrote:

> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58:21AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> > So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
> >
> > I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> > well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> > shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
> >
> > This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
> >
> > And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could.
>
> First, you're speculating. You have nothing to base your guess on.
> Microsoft may not have been the most "Linux-friendly" company in the world,
> but that doesn't mean that they are going to cut the GNU/Linux client of
> Skype.
>

I offer, as a case in point, Nokia. It just seems too coincidental that they
hire a former MS exec in the person of Steven Elop, and within 3 months
decide to re-close-source Symbian, scale back their successful Linux smart
phone line, scale back their Linux offerings to R&D only...Which includes
dropping out of their alliance with Intel on Meego.

>
> Second, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/05/ballmer-skype-announcement/
> .
> Quote:
>
>Both executives sought to reassure Skype customers who might be
>worried about Microsoft’s ability and willingness to support the
>multiplatform software, which is available for Windows, OS X and Linux
>PCs; Android, BlackBerry and iOS smartphones; and even televisions.
>
>“We’re one of the few companies that has actually has a track record of
>doing this,” said Ballmer, pointing to the company’s Mac support over
>the years. “Fundamental to the value proposition of communications is
>being able to reach everybody, whether they happen to be on your
>devices or not.”
>

Their Mac support used to include MS office, back in the mid 90s. I know IT
people from that era that said the Mac version of Office was so buggy,
thanks to their putting the Intel debugging symbols into the Mac version,
that entire IT departments switched from Mac to PC running Windows.

So forgive me if I don't trust Ballmer's altruism...

>“The commitment from Microsoft to support multiplatform clients is
>absolutely critical,” Bates said, indicating that Skype got assurances
>from Microsoft that it would continue to support all of Skype’s
>platforms.
>

I can believe this in the short term. Why lose half of your customer base
out of the gate?

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Re: How to join forever an alsa device id to a particular USB port?

2011-05-11 Thread briand

On Wed, 11 May 2011 15:24:51 +0200
"owl...@gmail.com"  wrote:

> Hello, I bought 2 identic USB audio device that work correctly with
> linux but when I restart linux or I keep the devices out and I put it
> in again they take another id. I need that the id would be always the
> same.
> 
> 
> I tried a first script called "A working example":
> http://alsa.opensrc.org/Udev but squeeze doesn't rename it...
> Then I tried other kind of tries that I paste below (please don't
> laugh about me :) I am not good with udev)
> 
> 
> 
> # KERNEL=="2-2", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", DRIVER=="usb", 
> SYMLINK="test"
> # KERNEL=="controlC[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add",
> SYMLINK="snd/controlC9"
> # KERNEL=="2-2:1.0", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", DRIVER=="usb",
> SYMLINK="snd/controlC9"
> # KERNEL=="2-2:1.1", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", DRIVER=="usb",
> SYMLINK="snd/pcmC9D0c"
> # KERNEL=="2-2:1.2", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", DRIVER=="usb",
> SYMLINK="snd/pcmC9D0p"
> # KERNEL=="2-2:1.0", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", DRIVER=="usb",
> SYMLINK="snd/controlC9"
> 
> KERNEL=="controlC0", ACTION=="add" DRIVERS=="snd", NAME="snd/controlC9"
> 
> As you can see it doesn't work...the only thing I could do was to
> create a symling but that's not important to me, i couldn't rename the
> devices that's what I need
> 
> 
> What I precisely need is to join one or more particular USB gates to
> the same device d alsa. I will decide which one doing it in
> /proc/asound/devices
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> udevadm info --query all --path /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2  --attribute-walk
> 
> Udevadm info starts with the device specified by the devpath and then
> walks up the chain of parent devices. It prints for every device
> found, all possible attributes in the udev rules key format.
> A rule to match, can be composed by the attributes of the device
> and the attributes from one single parent device.
> 
>   looking at device '/devices/pci:00/:00:10.0/usb2/2-2':
> KERNEL=="2-2"
> SUBSYSTEM=="usb"
> DRIVER=="usb"
> ATTR{configuration}==""
> ATTR{bNumInterfaces}==" 4"
> ATTR{bConfigurationValue}=="1"
> ATTR{bmAttributes}=="80"
> ATTR{bMaxPower}=="100mA"
> ATTR{urbnum}=="63"
> ATTR{idVendor}=="08bb"
> ATTR{idProduct}=="2902"
> ATTR{bcdDevice}=="0100"
> ATTR{bDeviceClass}=="00"
> ATTR{bDeviceSubClass}=="00"
> ATTR{bDeviceProtocol}=="00"
> ATTR{bNumConfigurations}=="1"
> ATTR{bMaxPacketSize0}=="8"
> ATTR{speed}=="12"
> ATTR{busnum}=="2"
> ATTR{devnum}=="2"
> ATTR{version}==" 1.10"
> ATTR{maxchild}=="0"
> ATTR{quirks}=="0x0"
> ATTR{authorized}=="1"
> ATTR{manufacturer}=="Burr-Brown from TI  "
> ATTR{product}=="USB Audio CODEC "
> 
>   looking at parent device '/devices/pci:00/:00:10.0/usb2':
> KERNELS=="usb2"
> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb"
> DRIVERS=="usb"
> ATTRS{configuration}==""
> ATTRS{bNumInterfaces}==" 1"
> ATTRS{bConfigurationValue}=="1"
> ATTRS{bmAttributes}=="e0"
> ATTRS{bMaxPower}=="  0mA"
> ATTRS{urbnum}=="36"
> ATTRS{idVendor}=="1d6b"
> ATTRS{idProduct}=="0001"
> ATTRS{bcdDevice}=="0206"
> ATTRS{bDeviceClass}=="09"
> ATTRS{bDeviceSubClass}=="00"
> ATTRS{bDeviceProtocol}=="00"
> ATTRS{bNumConfigurations}=="1"
> ATTRS{bMaxPacketSize0}=="64"
> ATTRS{speed}=="12"
> ATTRS{busnum}=="2"
> ATTRS{devnum}=="1"
> ATTRS{version}==" 1.10"
> ATTRS{maxchild}=="2"
> ATTRS{quirks}=="0x0"
> ATTRS{authorized}=="1"
> ATTRS{manufacturer}=="Linux 2.6.32-5-686 uhci_hcd"
> ATTRS{product}=="UHCI Host Controller"
> ATTRS{serial}==":00:10.0"
> ATTRS{authorized_default}=="1"
> 
>   looking at parent device '/devices/pci:00/:00:10.0':
> KERNELS==":00:10.0"
> SUBSYSTEMS=="pci"
> DRIVERS=="uhci_hcd"
> ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1106"
> ATTRS{device}=="0x3038"
> ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1043"
> ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x3038"
> ATTRS{class}=="0x0c0300"
> ATTRS{irq}=="21"
> ATTRS{local_cpus}==""
> ATTRS{local_cpulist}=="0-31"
> ATTRS{modalias}=="pci:v1106d3038sv1043sd3038bc0Csc03i00"
> ATTRS{enable}=="1"
> ATTRS{broken_parity_status}=="0"
> ATTRS{msi_bus}==""
> 
>   looking at parent device '/devices/pci:00':
> KERNELS=="pci:00"
> SUBSYSTEMS==""
> DRIVERS==""
> 
> 
> 
> /proc/asound# ls
> card0  card1  card2  cards  default  default_1  devices  hwdep  modules  oss
> pcm  seq  timers  V8237  version
> 
> 
> 
> /dev/snd# ls
> by-id  by-path  controlC0  controlC1  controlC2  pcmC0D0c  pcmC0D0p
> pcmC0D1c  pcmC0D1p  pcmC1D0c  pcmC1D0p  pcmC2D0c  pcmC2D0p  seq  timer
> 
> 
> 
> dmesg
> 
> [1.520541] usb usb4: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0001
> [1.520545] usb usb4: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2,
> SerialNumber=1
> [1.520549] usb usb4: Product: UHCI Host C

Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Γαβριήλ Τασιόπουλος

People need to realise that not everyone uses linux because it's
open-source. Some use it because it's cheap, reliable, easy to use and
works better than windows on old machines. This kind of users, as
small as it may be for the time being, are still potential clients for
skype's paid services.


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Re (2): So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread peasthope

From:   Chris Davies 
Date:   Wed, 11 May 2011 21:10:29 +0100
> My favourite software SIP client is twinkle. 

Yes, Twinkle keeps configurations and contact lists in plain text 
and is economical with resources.

A POTS gateway is available from any of several companies.  Any 
phone number can be reached at vary small expense.  Who needs a 
POTS phone [flippantly]?

Regards,... Peter E.

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Re: How to join forever an alsa device id to a particular USB port?

2011-05-11 Thread Ron Johnson


On 05/11/2011 08:38 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

owl...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, I bought 2 identic USB audio device that work correctly with
linux but when I restart linux or I keep the devices out and I put it
in again they take another id. I need that the id would be always the
same.



Every help will be important to me :) thanks.



If you run 'blkid' in the console as root and can get a UUID from the
device then you can add it to fstab and it will always be mounted with
the name/ID you give it. Do this with all USB device and all will have a
static name.


I'm gonna bet that audio "stuff" are char not block devices.

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Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Steven Sciame



                                                        



- Original Message -
> From: Mathieu Malaterre 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Cc: debian-user 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: So much for Skype.
> 
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik  
> wrote:
>>  On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland  
> wrote:
>>>  So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>>> 
>>>  I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
>>>  well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious 
> is
>>>  shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
>>> 
>>>  This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
>>> 
>>>  And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could.
>>> 
>>>  Curt-
>>> 
>>> 
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>>  better download that latest linux version now.
>> 
>>  annoying, but it does work.
> 
> Moving on to google talk...
> 
> -- 
> Mathieu
> 


Have you been able to get google talk to work?  

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=57985&hilit=ekiga

Also when trying to video chat using ekiga with someone with windows ekiga 
apparently there is a non-free codec for H263 needed.  Is there a way to 
configure the windows version of Ekiga to use the libre codec that the debian 
version uses? 

I figured this was a good place to ask this since we are talking about skype 
and video chat alternatives.  I am looking for a solution, preferably using 
libre software to video chat with all my friends still using proprietary OS's 
(Mac and Doze). 

-Steven


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread PMA


It's hard to see a humble opinion ("IMHO") in this, flatly denying the rule.

Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:


Lisi wrote:
"Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private
mail, unless agreed beforehand."


IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states his/
her desire to keep a private conversation..."



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Re: [SOLVED] Installing K3b installs HAL. Should I do it?

2011-05-11 Thread Juan R. de Silva

On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:45:12 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've recently switched from Lucid to Squeeze on my workstation. So, far
> I'm quite happy with the move but I'm still on a learning curve.
> 
> Back in Ubuntu I used to use K3b in GNOME since I definitely prefer it
> to Brasero. Yesterday I tried to installed K3b in Squeeze and I noticed
> that HAL would be installed with it as a dependency.  Since I was not
> sure on HAL I cancelled the installation until clarification.
> 
> I'm not familiar in depth neither with udev nor HAL. But AFAIK HAL was
> deprecated and part of its functionality now is build into udev.
> 
> What would be the consequences of HAL being installed on my fresh
> squeeze system, if any?  Would HAL conflict with udev in any way?
> Wouldn't installation of HAL degrade my fresh squeeze install?

Installed. So far no problems. :-)

And BTW, why good old gnomebaker is not in squeeze repositories?  Where 
could I find it and would it work in squeeze?

Thanks.



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Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Peter Beck

On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:58 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> shaking his head with the inevitability of it all. 

RMS never liked Skype:

Skype is a special exception: it is worse than most nonfree software,
because using Skype to talk with someone else means that other person
must use Skype too. Even supposing my host has Skype already installed
on his computer, my using it briefly would not be harmless — it would
constitute encouraging my interlocutor to have and use Skype. My
conclusion is: never use Skype even for a moment.

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread shawn wilson

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:50 PM,   wrote:
>
> Jeroen privately mailed a reply to my message as well, in which he completely 
> ignored every validation to the points I made, especially the ones about 
> helping others before you go off trying to dictate group policy...
>
> I find emailing somebody off list like this, especially after one user in the 
> same thread already complained about it VERY rude!!!
>
> And again your complaining about spam  jeroen, yours is the only spam I have 
> seen today,
>
> Go away and leave us alone, I for one am tired of hearing your drivel...
>

+20

and this thread still doesn't have an *OT* in the subject!
(at this point, i think it would be just as cool for this thread to die though)


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Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Rob Owens

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:42:06PM +0100, Jamie Thompson wrote:
> In an ideal world, I'd like to see ubiquitous Jingle support, and
> properly maintained XMPP transports for each proprietary network, with
> Jingle support added to those if possible. A ubiquitous free solution
> for NAT traversal would be nice too, so you get the same "just works
> experience" that Skype offers.
> 
iptel.org offers free SIP accounts and they employ some kind of "server
side NAT traversal" which means you don't have to use STUN.  I've used
their service with Ekiga software (mostly from hotels while I'm on the 
road) and it does work.

-Rob


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread teddieeb


Jeroen privately mailed a reply to my message as well, in which he completely 
ignored every validation to the points I made, especially the ones about 
helping others before you go off trying to dictate group policy...

I find emailing somebody off list like this, especially after one user in the 
same thread already complained about it VERY rude!!!

And again your complaining about spam  jeroen, yours is the only spam I have 
seen today,

Go away and leave us alone, I for one am tired of hearing your drivel...

TeddyB


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Freeman

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:54:05PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/11/2011 06:40 AM, consul tores wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> >Could you please explain which concept of "terrorists" are you referring to?
> >Real or political?
> >
> 
> Do any terrorists have (in the broad sense of the term) non-political aims.
> 
> -- 
> "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure
> the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally
> corrupt."
> Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749
> 
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In the end, after decades of observing terrorists as they change from one
cause and culture to another, after meeting two or three known "terrorists,"
and after discussions with terrorist supporters (possibly terrorist not
disclosing) I am left with my original impression from high school days.

That is, terrorists are primarily in the business of being terrorists. 
Although they may be too far into rage to see it themselves, politics is the
secondary consideration and/or rational.  Although politics may have created
the environment spawning the love of terror.

So that might include some spammers, on the lighter, disruptive rather than
violent, end of the terror spectrum.

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Freeman

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> 
> > Lisi wrote:
> >> It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail.  And I
> >> thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention
> >> unpleasant.
> > 
> > What you say is untrue. The code of conduct clearly states the
> > following:
> > 
> > http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
> > 
> > "Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private
> > mail, unless agreed beforehand."
> 
> IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states his/
> her desire to keep a private conversation..."
> 

+1

Unless the user states that it is a private email, or it is obviously
discrete, the most expeditious thing is to forward it to the list.

> > I did not agree beforehand for you to quote my message.
> 
> As a rule of thumb I always *reply* to the list and *resend* to the list 
> all the messages I receive, unless:
> 
> 1/ I know beforehand the person is replying me and can easily see the 
> user wants to go private.
> 
> 2/ The own nature of the message (i.e., it contains sensitive data).
> 
> 3/ The user that replies to me *explicitly* states that he/she wants to 
> keep an off-list conversation.
> 
> > It would be kind of you to apologise. 
> 

I don't see the point. Given the choice of either assuming you simply
misaddressed or assuming you didn't bother reading list policy, why assume
the latter?  The former seems more respectful.

> I hope you also did so when you sent the message to Lisi...
> 
> > It is generally considered bad
> > nettiquette to send private emails to a mailing list and this list does
> > not appear to be an exception.
> 
> No, it's the opposite.

It is also nettiquette to read list policy.

>  
> > In addition when replying the person's private email is copied in the
> > "To:" not the list's address. In my experience this generally means a
> > conscious decision was made to encourage replies to go to the individual
> > instead of the list.
> 
> Sadly, that's not true at all.
> 
> There are plenty of "broken" webmail services (i.e., Gmail) that by 
> default reply to the user's e-mail address instead to the e-mail address 
> of the mailing list and the user is not aware of this fact.
> 

ergo the Mail-Followup-To: header.

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

2011-05-11 Thread Doug


On 05/11/2011 06:10 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

On 05/11/2011 05:49 PM, Lisi wrote:

On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:27:30 Camaleón wrote:
Am I the only person having problems to resolve the "jonassan.org" 
domain

name? :-?


No, you are not the only person.  None of us can.  The correct 
address is
.  Your conversation with Wayne got a 
little

tangled with his typos!  Or perhaps you made a typo here? ;-)

Lisi




No, it wasn't Camaleón fault, it was mine.

Sorry for the mistype.

Wayne


Someone who uses konqueror should probably file a bug reprt.  You can  
probably

find out how at KDE Community Forums. (I use kde, but not konq browser.)
--doug

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Re: Booting a USB hard drive

2011-05-11 Thread Peter Bonucci

On Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:04:48 pm Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 00:54:03 -0700, Peter Bonucci wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2011 05:13:46 am Camaleón wrote:
> (...)
> 
> >> > Under SuperGrubDisk, "List devices/partitions", Grub doesn't see the
> >> > USB drive.  None of the other options boot the drive.
> >> > 
> >> > Selecting the experimental USB support doesn't seem to change
> >> > anything.
> >> 
> >> How is that? It should be accesible by SGD :-?
> >> 
> >> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/USB_Boot
> >> 
> >> But I'm starting to think the problem may be on the Western Digital USB
> >> drive, as you said you were only facing problems with this concrete USB
> >> disk... Look, it seems there is one report on WD forums:
> >> 
> >> How to boot linux from My passport
> >> http://community.wdc.com/t5/My-Passport-for-PC/How-to-boot-linux-from-
> 
> My-pa
> 
> >> ssport/td-p/74214
> >> 
> >> Greetings,
> > 
> > This is where I am now:
> (...)
> 
> > The USB Legacy option is enabled in the BIOS.
> > 
> > 
> > If grub is in the MBR for the USB drive shouldn't I be able to boot it?
> 
> Sure. There must be a problem somewhere...
> 
> > Do you understand what is going on here?
> 
> Okay, I've carefully read all of your tests, so let's recap:
> 
> - SGD (1.98x) cannot detect the USB drive (¿?)
> - SGD (0.99x) can detect the USB drive
> - GRUB is installed into the MBR of the USB disk
> - The Partition where GRUB is stored is marked as booteable
> 
> I still don't know what is preventing the "true" GRUB (the installed one)
> from booting but you can try to boot Debian directly with SDG (the
> version that detects the disk, that is, v. 0.99x) and see what happens.
> 
> Greetings,

I agree with your recap.

When I run SGD 0.9799, 
  I select Boot & Tools / 
  Boot Master Boot Record (MBR) / 
  Boot Master Boot Record (MBR)
SGD lists two drives, (hd0), the laptop hard disk and (hd1) the USB drive.
I select (hd1) and SGD displays: "Error 25: Disk Read Error"

When I try to list the USB partitions,
  I select Boot & Tools / 
  Show Partitions / 
  Show Partitions
SGD lists two drives, (hd0), the laptop hard disk and (hd1) the USB drive.
I select (hd1)
SGD displays the header for the table of partitions, but no partitions.  

For a "direct boot":
I select Gnu/Linux
Boot Gnu/Linux
Boot Gnu/Linux Directly
   SGD boots the laptop hard disk.


Peter


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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site


On 05/11/2011 05:49 PM, Lisi wrote:

On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:27:30 Camaleón wrote:

Am I the only person having problems to resolve the "jonassan.org" domain
name? :-?


No, you are not the only person.  None of us can.  The correct address is
.  Your conversation with Wayne got a little
tangled with his typos!  Or perhaps you made a typo here? ;-)

Lisi




No, it wasn't Camaleón fault, it was mine.

Sorry for the mistype.

Wayne


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Re: No landscape option at Opera's printing settings

2011-05-11 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com

11/05/2011 22:55, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 22:34:19 +0200, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:
> 
>>> 11/05/2011 22:03, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> (...)
> 
 If you can't change from portrait to landscape, being that the page
 options selections are grayed out, how can it?

   opera 11.10.2092 on sid
>>>
>>> Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera
>>> site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?
>>>
>>> I even get disabled the option to select the paper size! This has to be
>>> some kind of bug in Opera, for sure, because this is the only app where
>>> this happens.
>>>
>>> (I've also checked at the Opera's hidden printer settings
>>> -about:config- but there is no option to select the page printing
>>> layot, how bad ;-()
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> How you guys doing it ? I just retried and I can print from Opera 11.10
>> (2092) on Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 in landscape mode, to PDF file or real
>> printer !
> 
> Here not with PDF nor real printers! :-)
> 
>> When the print dialog box pops-up I have an "option" button in the down
>> left, this doesn't give an option to print in landscape mode, but at the
>> upper right there is a "properties" button adjacent to the (virtual or
>> not) printer selected. This one allows me to choose landscape mode.
> 
> This is what I get:
> 
> http://picpaste.com/opera-printer-settings-aOLJEOA7.png
> 
>> Maybe this has something to do with using Opera in KDE vs Gnome, or the
>> way the printer is set up ?
> 
> That can be the cause. AFAIK, Opera uses Qt for the printing settings and 
> this can be somehow broken in GNOME. I say this because I only experience 
> this problem within Opera :-?
> 
> Greetings,
> 

Very different from what I get:

http://picpaste.com/opera_print-SYxRbTI7.png

The right window appears when using the "properties" button.


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kvm hypervisor host network problem during VM startup/shutdown

2011-05-11 Thread Stephen Carpenter

(please CC me on replies)

I have been running kvm on this host for almost two years now. Using
bridged networking, rather simple setup, with about 4 VMs and the
hypervisor.

There is one bridge, br1 (there is an unused br0 which has no connection
out) which is connected to the physical ethernet, one of the VMs is
providing DHCP to the whole network.

Things work fine, except, when I attempt to create a new host, or
destroy a running host. I am playing with FAI profiles now, and so have
"tested" this many times. Every time, the hypervisor briefly (5-10
seconds or so) stopps responding on the network, though, other systems
which use the same bridge, have no issue.

Script used to start the new VM:
virt-install \
--connect qemu:///system \
--pxe \
-n test \
-r 512 \
--vcpus=1 \
--disk path=/dev/vg0/test \
--vnc \
--noautoconsole \
--os-type linux \
--os-variant debianLenny \
--accelerate \
--network=bridge:br1 \
--hvm

I run this and get:
Starting install...
Creating domain... 0 B
00:00
Domain installation still in progress. You can reconnect to
the console to complete the installation process.
Timeout, server not responding.

Then I am back on my local host (I ssh in to the hypervisor). I connect
back in, and I can now use virt-viewer to see the console and watch the
install (already in progress).

The same thing happens when I "destroy" test via virsh (why graceful
shutdown a system being blown away?)

I have found that other systems (like the DHCP VM) still respond to ping
during this time. In fact, one of them is providing the VPN end point
which I am using to get to the hypervisor, and the VPN connection never
drops.

In the logs, at the same time, I see only the following, though, looking
around indicates that these are common and probably not indicitive of an
error:
May 10 15:27:38 hyper kernel: [492763.100101] device vnet5 entered
promiscuous mode
May 10 15:27:38 hyper kernel: [492763.104224] br1: port 6(vnet5)
entering listening state
May 10 15:27:47 hyper kernel: [492772.133560] br1: port 6(vnet5)
entering learning state
May 10 15:27:56 hyper kernel: [492781.146314] br1: topology change
detected, propagating
May 10 15:27:56 hyper kernel: [492781.150297] br1: port 6(vnet5)
entering forwarding state

Bridge is setup in /etc/network/interfaces as follows:
auto br1
iface br1 inet static
   address 192.168.0.6
   network 192.168.0.0
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   gateway 192.168.0.1
   bridge_ports eth100
   bridge_hello 2
   bridge_fd 9
   bridge_stp on

Anyone else run into this? Any ideas?


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Ron Johnson


On 05/11/2011 06:40 AM, consul tores wrote:
[snip]


Could you please explain which concept of "terrorists" are you referring to?
Real or political?



Do any terrorists have (in the broad sense of the term) non-political aims.

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the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally
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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

2011-05-11 Thread Lisi

On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:27:30 Camaleón wrote:
> Am I the only person having problems to resolve the "jonassan.org" domain
> name? :-?

No, you are not the only person.  None of us can.  The correct address is 
.  Your conversation with Wayne got a little 
tangled with his typos!  Or perhaps you made a typo here? ;-)

Lisi 

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

2011-05-11 Thread Lisi

On Wednesday 11 May 2011 21:03:35 Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:58:51 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> > On 05/11/2011 02:13 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> >> What?? I doubt Opera cannot make landscape printings :-O
> >>
> >> (...)
> >
> > If you can't change from portrait to landscape, being that the page
> > options selections are grayed out, how can it?
> >
> >   opera 11.10.2092 on sid
>
> Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera
> site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?

I have Opera 11.10 on Lenny here, and I can access and control all the printer 
settings, including the choice between landscape and portrait and the ability 
to set paper size. :-/

Lisi


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Re: No landscape option at Opera's printing settings


On 05/11/2011 04:55 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2011 22:34:19 +0200, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:


11/05/2011 22:03, Camaleón wrote:


(...)


If you can't change from portrait to landscape, being that the page
options selections are grayed out, how can it?

   opera 11.10.2092 on sid


Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera
site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?

I even get disabled the option to select the paper size! This has to be
some kind of bug in Opera, for sure, because this is the only app where
this happens.

(I've also checked at the Opera's hidden printer settings
-about:config- but there is no option to select the page printing
layot, how bad ;-()




How you guys doing it ? I just retried and I can print from Opera 11.10
(2092) on Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 in landscape mode, to PDF file or real
printer !


Here not with PDF nor real printers! :-)


When the print dialog box pops-up I have an "option" button in the down
left, this doesn't give an option to print in landscape mode, but at the
upper right there is a "properties" button adjacent to the (virtual or
not) printer selected. This one allows me to choose landscape mode.


This is what I get:

http://picpaste.com/opera-printer-settings-aOLJEOA7.png


I found that the tabs differ for different printers.  Here is what my 
HP6P printer shows.


http://picpaste.com/del/NbJyw2sO/Opera-Print_Setup-Ni8yC7R3.png




Maybe this has something to do with using Opera in KDE vs Gnome, or the
way the printer is set up ?


That can be the cause. AFAIK, Opera uses Qt for the printing settings and
this can be somehow broken in GNOME. I say this because I only experience
this problem within Opera :-?

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

On Wed, 11 May 2011 17:10:04 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:

> On 05/11/2011 04:41 PM, Camaleón wrote:

>>> try www.jonasson.org/maps/
>>>
>>> Was that my typo in the OP??
>>
>> Uh? But you insisted me [1] it was "www.jonassan.org">>>;-)
>>
>> As I said in my first [2] and second [3] e-mail,
>> http://www.jonasson.org/ maps/ loads fine with Iceweasel :-)
> 
> As usual I must have made another typo.  I thought you meant that the
> /maps/ was not needed.  I missed the 'a' in jonasson.  :-(

Yes, "/maps" (the path to a specific folder on the server) is not needed 
when you run a "dig" query :-)

Am I the only person having problems to resolve the "jonassan.org" domain 
name? :-?

>> As per your konqueror issue, have you checked the javascript console
>> and looked for any errors?
> 
> There is no javascript console in konqueror, as someone else pointed
> out.  

(...)

That can't be true!!! :-)

Okay, it is named "debug console", "javascript debugger" or something 
similar but I hope it's still there, as it's a basic tool for web 
developers and it was present when I was using Konqueror 3.5.x.

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Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Chris Davies

Jamie Thompson  wrote:
> I've not found a decent SIP client yet, let alone a "normal" user with
> a SIP account to call them with.

I find my (VoIP) telephone works really well as a SIP client. My favourite
software SIP client is twinkle. Others will no doubt chip in with other
suggestions.

Chris

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Re: debian packages

2011-05-11 Thread Rob Owens

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 02:15:06PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 09:18:00AM -0400, Robert Wolfe (Debian) wrote:
> 
>  .snip...
> > 
> > Viden, I _believe_ that you can still use RPM with Debian as well,
> > as long as you use alien to convert the packages between RPM and
> > DEB.  Also, if you want to build your own packages on a Debian based
> > machine, then you can use the checkinstall utility to built both
> > RPMs and DEBs without any issues.  It's what I use all the time and
> > have no problems with it.  Not only does it build the binaries and
> > make the package files, but it also installs the package for you as
> > well.
> 
> I remember reading somewhere (can't find it) that checkinstall didn't
> handle dependencies well. Any truth to this?
> 
Last time I used it, checkinstall didn't handle dependencies at all.  It
just makes a "dumb" package, with the benefit that your package manager
is aware of it and it's easy to uninstall (which is not always the case
with compiled-from-source software).

-Rob


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Re: Installing K3b installs HAL. Should I do it?

On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:45:12 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:

(...)
> Back in Ubuntu I used to use K3b in GNOME since I definitely prefer it
> to Brasero. Yesterday I tried to installed K3b in Squeeze and I noticed
> that HAL would be installed with it as a dependency.  Since I was not
> sure on HAL I cancelled the installation until clarification.
> 
> I'm not familiar in depth neither with udev nor HAL. But AFAIK HAL was
> deprecated and part of its functionality now is build into udev.
> 
> What would be the consequences of HAL being installed on my fresh
> squeeze system, if any?  Would HAL conflict with udev in any way?
> Wouldn't installation of HAL degrade my fresh squeeze install?

"Hal" is indeed listed as a "hard" dependency for K3B in Squeeze:

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/k3b

You will need to install it and don't worry about it, it should not 
generate any conflict with other packages (and if yes, open a bug 
report :-P).

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Re: debian packages

2011-05-11 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 09:18:00AM -0400, Robert Wolfe (Debian) wrote:

 .snip...
> 
> Viden, I _believe_ that you can still use RPM with Debian as well,
> as long as you use alien to convert the packages between RPM and
> DEB.  Also, if you want to build your own packages on a Debian based
> machine, then you can use the checkinstall utility to built both
> RPMs and DEBs without any issues.  It's what I use all the time and
> have no problems with it.  Not only does it build the binaries and
> make the package files, but it also installs the package for you as
> well.

I remember reading somewhere (can't find it) that checkinstall didn't
handle dependencies well. Any truth to this?

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Re: Installing K3b installs HAL. Should I do it?

2011-05-11 Thread Steven

On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 20:45 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> I've recently switched from Lucid to Squeeze on my workstation. So, far 
> I'm quite happy with the move but I'm still on a learning curve.
> 
> Back in Ubuntu I used to use K3b in GNOME since I definitely prefer it to 
> Brasero. Yesterday I tried to installed K3b in Squeeze and I noticed that 
> HAL would be installed with it as a dependency.  Since I was not sure on 
> HAL I cancelled the installation until clarification.
> 
> I'm not familiar in depth neither with udev nor HAL. But AFAIK HAL was 
> deprecated and part of its functionality now is build into udev.
> 
> What would be the consequences of HAL being installed on my fresh squeeze 
> system, if any?  Would HAL conflict with udev in any way? Wouldn't 
> installation of HAL degrade my fresh squeeze install?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
As far as I can see, K3B (still) requires HAL, it's not a direct
dependency in Wheezy (like it is in squeeze), but I had removed HAL,
that caused K3B not to see my optical drives (I just burned an image not
15 minutes ago), I had to install HAL again to get it to work.

It doesn't appear to conflict with udev in any way so your pretty safe
there.

So, yes, hal is required (certainly in sqeeze) for k3b to function
properly.

Kind regards,
Steven


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Re: Spam

2011-05-11 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:15:28 -0700
> Robert Holtzman  wrote:
> 
> Hello Robert,
> 
> > filter? I have used Spamassasin successfully for years but I have to
> > call it from Procmail and it slows downloading mail to a crawl. 
> 
> I use bogofilter.  Needs to be trained, of course, but it's faster than
> SA.

I'll give it a try,thanks. Is it as effective as SA?

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site


On 05/11/2011 04:41 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:24:39 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:


On 05/11/2011 04:03 PM, Camaleón wrote:


(...)


Thanks again for all that tried to connect with Konqueror and reported
the same results as I have here.


Well, I still have problems to get the page loaded in Icewasel.

sm01@stt008:~$ dig @8.8.8.8 www.jonassan.org

;<<>>   DiG 9.6-ESV-R4<<>>   @8.8.8.8 www.jonassan.org

try www.jonasson.org/maps/

Was that my typo in the OP??


Uh? But you insisted me [1] it was "www.jonassan.org">>>;-)

As I said in my first [2] and second [3] e-mail, http://www.jonasson.org/
maps/ loads fine with Iceweasel :-)


As usual I must have made another typo.  I thought you meant that the 
/maps/ was not needed.  I missed the 'a' in jonasson.  :-(



As per your konqueror issue, have you checked the javascript console and
looked for any errors?


There is no javascript console in konqueror, as someone else pointed 
out.  I saw errors in a few modules, none of which were java errors.

I have purged konqueror in favor of rekonq package although now that
iceweasel has been configured to stop all the unwanted connections I 
really don't need it or Opera for that matter.




[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg00801.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg00793.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg00896.html

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site


On 05/11/2011 04:34 PM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:

11/05/2011 22:03, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:58:51 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:



On 05/11/2011 02:13 PM, Camaleón wrote:



What?? I doubt Opera cannot make landscape printings :-O

(...)


If you can't change from portrait to landscape, being that the page
options selections are grayed out, how can it?

   opera 11.10.2092 on sid


Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera
site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?

I even get disabled the option to select the paper size! This has to be
some kind of bug in Opera, for sure, because this is the only app where
this happens.

(I've also checked at the Opera's hidden printer settings -about:config-
but there is no option to select the page printing layot, how bad ;-()



[snip]



Greetings,



How you guys doing it ? I just retried and I can print from Opera 11.10
(2092) on Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 in landscape mode, to PDF file or real
printer !

I downloaded the debian opera package when I was having problems with 
iceweasel.  The "Page Setup" tab options are all grayed out, so I can't 
select landscape printing.  I googled the problem and found mentions of 
that problem dating back to 2009.



When the print dialog box pops-up I have an "option" button in the down
left, this doesn't give an option to print in landscape mode, but at the
upper right there is a "properties" button adjacent to the (virtual or
not) printer selected. This one allows me to choose landscape mode.


We must be running different versions.  When I select Print, the 
printers are all there and above that there 5 tabs. General/Page 
Setup/Job/Image Quality/Advanced.  The only tab that is not functional 
is the Page Setup tab, all the others are functional.




Maybe this has something to do with using Opera in KDE vs Gnome, or the
way the printer is set up ?


That might be it.  I use the fluxbox WM.

Wayne


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No landscape option at Opera's printing settings (was: Problem with Konquerer on one site)

On Wed, 11 May 2011 22:34:19 +0200, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:

>>11/05/2011 22:03, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>>> If you can't change from portrait to landscape, being that the page
>>> options selections are grayed out, how can it?
>>>
>>>   opera 11.10.2092 on sid
>> 
>> Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera
>> site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?
>> 
>> I even get disabled the option to select the paper size! This has to be
>> some kind of bug in Opera, for sure, because this is the only app where
>> this happens.
>> 
>> (I've also checked at the Opera's hidden printer settings
>> -about:config- but there is no option to select the page printing
>> layot, how bad ;-()
>> 
>> 
>> 
> How you guys doing it ? I just retried and I can print from Opera 11.10
> (2092) on Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 in landscape mode, to PDF file or real
> printer !

Here not with PDF nor real printers! :-)

> When the print dialog box pops-up I have an "option" button in the down
> left, this doesn't give an option to print in landscape mode, but at the
> upper right there is a "properties" button adjacent to the (virtual or
> not) printer selected. This one allows me to choose landscape mode.

This is what I get:

http://picpaste.com/opera-printer-settings-aOLJEOA7.png

> Maybe this has something to do with using Opera in KDE vs Gnome, or the
> way the printer is set up ?

That can be the cause. AFAIK, Opera uses Qt for the printing settings and 
this can be somehow broken in GNOME. I say this because I only experience 
this problem within Opera :-?

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread shawn wilson

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
>
>
> There are plenty of "broken" webmail services (i.e., Gmail) that by
> default reply to the user's e-mail address instead to the e-mail address
> of the mailing list and the user is not aware of this fact.
>

yeah, no kidding. gmail has irritated me with this often enough. i've
learned to re-all, and (unless the user says he's not subscribed to
the list) erase the to field. this is quite annoying (thought of
making a greasemonkey script to deal with this - no round tuit yet).

w
* ag4ve.us throws more kindling on the fire :)

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Installing K3b installs HAL. Should I do it?

2011-05-11 Thread Juan R. de Silva

Hi,

I've recently switched from Lucid to Squeeze on my workstation. So, far 
I'm quite happy with the move but I'm still on a learning curve.

Back in Ubuntu I used to use K3b in GNOME since I definitely prefer it to 
Brasero. Yesterday I tried to installed K3b in Squeeze and I noticed that 
HAL would be installed with it as a dependency.  Since I was not sure on 
HAL I cancelled the installation until clarification.

I'm not familiar in depth neither with udev nor HAL. But AFAIK HAL was 
deprecated and part of its functionality now is build into udev.

What would be the consequences of HAL being installed on my fresh squeeze 
system, if any?  Would HAL conflict with udev in any way? Wouldn't 
installation of HAL degrade my fresh squeeze install?

Thanks.



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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:24:39 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:

> On 05/11/2011 04:03 PM, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>>> Thanks again for all that tried to connect with Konqueror and reported
>>> the same results as I have here.
>>
>> Well, I still have problems to get the page loaded in Icewasel.
>>
>> sm01@stt008:~$ dig @8.8.8.8 www.jonassan.org
>>
>> ;<<>>  DiG 9.6-ESV-R4<<>>  @8.8.8.8 www.jonassan.org
> try www.jonasson.org/maps/
> 
> Was that my typo in the OP??

Uh? But you insisted me [1] it was "www.jonassan.org" >>>;-)
 
As I said in my first [2] and second [3] e-mail, http://www.jonasson.org/
maps/ loads fine with Iceweasel :-)

As per your konqueror issue, have you checked the javascript console and 
looked for any errors?

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg00801.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg00793.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg00896.html

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

2011-05-11 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com

>11/05/2011 22:03, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:58:51 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> 
>>> On 05/11/2011 02:13 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>>> What?? I doubt Opera cannot make landscape printings :-O
>>>
>>> (...)
>>
>> If you can't change from portrait to landscape, being that the page
>> options selections are grayed out, how can it?
>>
>>   opera 11.10.2092 on sid
> 
> Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera 
> site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?
> 
> I even get disabled the option to select the paper size! This has to be 
> some kind of bug in Opera, for sure, because this is the only app where 
> this happens.
> 
> (I've also checked at the Opera's hidden printer settings -about:config- 
> but there is no option to select the page printing layot, how bad ;-()
> 

[snip]

> 
> Greetings,
> 

How you guys doing it ? I just retried and I can print from Opera 11.10
(2092) on Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 in landscape mode, to PDF file or real
printer !

When the print dialog box pops-up I have an "option" button in the down
left, this doesn't give an option to print in landscape mode, but at the
upper right there is a "properties" button adjacent to the (virtual or
not) printer selected. This one allows me to choose landscape mode.

Maybe this has something to do with using Opera in KDE vs Gnome, or the
way the printer is set up ?

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:

> Lisi wrote:
>> It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail.  And I
>> thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention
>> unpleasant.
> 
> What you say is untrue. The code of conduct clearly states the
> following:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
> 
> "Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private
> mail, unless agreed beforehand."

IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states his/
her desire to keep a private conversation..."

> I did not agree beforehand for you to quote my message.

As a rule of thumb I always *reply* to the list and *resend* to the list 
all the messages I receive, unless:

1/ I know beforehand the person is replying me and can easily see the 
user wants to go private.

2/ The own nature of the message (i.e., it contains sensitive data).

3/ The user that replies to me *explicitly* states that he/she wants to 
keep an off-list conversation.

> It would be kind of you to apologise. 

I hope you also did so when you sent the message to Lisi...

> It is generally considered bad
> nettiquette to send private emails to a mailing list and this list does
> not appear to be an exception.

No, it's the opposite.

> In addition when replying the person's private email is copied in the
> "To:" not the list's address. In my experience this generally means a
> conscious decision was made to encourage replies to go to the individual
> instead of the list.

Sadly, that's not true at all.

There are plenty of "broken" webmail services (i.e., Gmail) that by 
default reply to the user's e-mail address instead to the e-mail address 
of the mailing list and the user is not aware of this fact.

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site


On 05/11/2011 04:03 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:58:51 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:


On 05/11/2011 02:13 PM, Camaleón wrote:



What?? I doubt Opera cannot make landscape printings :-O

(...)


If you can't change from portrait to landscape, being that the page
options selections are grayed out, how can it?

   opera 11.10.2092 on sid


Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera
site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?

I even get disabled the option to select the paper size! This has to be
some kind of bug in Opera, for sure, because this is the only app where
this happens.

(I've also checked at the Opera's hidden printer settings -about:config-
but there is no option to select the page printing layot, how bad ;-()


Thanks again for all that tried to connect with Konqueror and reported
the same results as I have here.


Well, I still have problems to get the page loaded in Icewasel.

sm01@stt008:~$ dig @8.8.8.8 www.jonassan.org

;<<>>  DiG 9.6-ESV-R4<<>>  @8.8.8.8 www.jonassan.org

try www.jonasson.org/maps/

Was that my typo in the OP??


; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 16129
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.jonassan.org.  IN  A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
org.900 IN  SOA a0.org.afilias-nst.info.
noc.afilias-nst.info. 2009620099 1800 900 604800 86400

;; Query time: 76 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May 11 22:00:09 2011
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 97


Baut can you browse another site with konqueror or is just the one you
mentioned which fails? :-?


Just the one site I asked about.


Weird... but can you at least reach the page? Try with "wget".

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Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Heddle Weaver

On 12 May 2011 06:11, Heddle Weaver  wrote:

>
>
> On 12 May 2011 05:18, shawn wilson  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland  wrote:
>> > So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>> >
>> > I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
>> > well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
>> > shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
>> >
>> > This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
>> >
>> > And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could.
>> >
>>
>> iirc, microsoft has more investment in more linux products than anyone
>> else. they also have (or had?) quite a large investment in apple to
>> stop them from going under in early 2000.
>>
>> i don't know what they plan to do with skype. maybe roll it into
>> netmeeting (does that still exist?) or msn messenger.
>>
>
> Probably to be integrated into their 'Ling' function. Aiming at executive
> market functionality.
>

Sorry. That's Linc'.
 http://www.microsoft.com/communicationsserver/en/au/default.aspx

> Regards,
>
> Weaver.
> --
>
> Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
> by the wise as false,
> and by the rulers as useful.
>
> — Lucius Annæus Seneca.
>
> Terrorism, the new religion.
>
>
>


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by the wise as false,
and by the rulers as useful.

— Lucius Annæus Seneca.

Terrorism, the new religion.

Failed Mirror (GPG Error - BADSIG) - mirrorservice.org

2011-05-11 Thread Adam Boutcher

W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not
updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error:
http://www.mirrorservice.org squeeze-updates Release: The following
signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic
Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) 

W: Failed to fetch
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release

Just so people know

Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Heddle Weaver

On 12 May 2011 05:18, shawn wilson  wrote:

> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland  wrote:
> > So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
> >
> > I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> > well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> > shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
> >
> > This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
> >
> > And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could.
> >
>
> iirc, microsoft has more investment in more linux products than anyone
> else. they also have (or had?) quite a large investment in apple to
> stop them from going under in early 2000.
>
> i don't know what they plan to do with skype. maybe roll it into
> netmeeting (does that still exist?) or msn messenger.
>

Probably to be integrated into their 'Ling' function. Aiming at executive
market functionality.
Regards,

Weaver.
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and by the rulers as useful.

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Terrorism, the new religion.

Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:58:51 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:

> On 05/11/2011 02:13 PM, Camaleón wrote:

>> What?? I doubt Opera cannot make landscape printings :-O
>>
>> (...)
> 
> If you can't change from portrait to landscape, being that the page
> options selections are grayed out, how can it?
> 
>   opera 11.10.2092 on sid

Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera 
site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?

I even get disabled the option to select the paper size! This has to be 
some kind of bug in Opera, for sure, because this is the only app where 
this happens.

(I've also checked at the Opera's hidden printer settings -about:config- 
but there is no option to select the page printing layot, how bad ;-()

> Thanks again for all that tried to connect with Konqueror and reported
> the same results as I have here.

Well, I still have problems to get the page loaded in Icewasel.

sm01@stt008:~$ dig @8.8.8.8 www.jonassan.org

; <<>> DiG 9.6-ESV-R4 <<>> @8.8.8.8 www.jonassan.org
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 16129
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.jonassan.org.  IN  A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
org.900 IN  SOA a0.org.afilias-nst.info. 
noc.afilias-nst.info. 2009620099 1800 900 604800 86400

;; Query time: 76 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May 11 22:00:09 2011
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 97

>> Baut can you browse another site with konqueror or is just the one you
>> mentioned which fails? :-?
>>
> Just the one site I asked about.

Weird... but can you at least reach the page? Try with "wget".

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Re: How to join forever an alsa device id to a particular USB port?

2011-05-11 Thread Jimmy Johnson


owl...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Jimmy, are you sure an USB audio device has an UUID?



No, but if I have your device I can find out in less time than it takes 
me to make this post. ;-)

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Re: Squeeze: Fan control

2011-05-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner


On 5/11/2011 10:05 AM, Hoang Le wrote:

Dear Stan,

I sent my laptop to HP and I got the fan replaced. Now it's running quite
cool.

Thank you for your support
Hoang Le


You're welcome.  Glad you got it fixed.  What was HP's turn around 
time--how long were you without the laptop?


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On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Stan Hoeppnerwrote:


Hoang Le put forth on 4/18/2011 9:55 PM:

Dear Stan,

Unfortuntately, my PC don't have an option to control fan speed in BIOS.
Just one option: "Fan always on on AC power". This machine run really
quietly. Is there anyway to check the fan speed from Linux?


I just realized after re-reading your original post that you're running
Compiz.  Doing so will keep your GPU hot most of the time, which is why
you feel heat under your hands.  You're also decreasing battery life
substantially by running Compiz when on battery.

If you use your laptop primarily while plugged into wall power, enable
the setting in the BIOS, if it's not already enabled.  That will fix the
heat problem.  If it's already enabled, and still running hot, contact
HP as there may be a problem.

WRT checking/changing fan speed in Linux, fancontrol is the daemon to
due it.  Did you manually configure fancontrol after installing it?  Did
you install lm-sensors and configure it?

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Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread shawn wilson

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland  wrote:
> So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>
> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
>
> This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
>
> And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could.
>

iirc, microsoft has more investment in more linux products than anyone
else. they also have (or had?) quite a large investment in apple to
stop them from going under in early 2000.

i don't know what they plan to do with skype. maybe roll it into
netmeeting (does that still exist?) or msn messenger. i think the only
thing sure here is that it'll be installed by default on all windows
phones now - something i'm sure the carriers aren't going to like (but
will probably take care of with their bandwidth caps).

as far as igniting anything, i don't know that much needs it. most
people i know that use voip use cisco, the rest use asterisk. now,
don't get me wrong about asterisk, there's as much comercial in that
product as there is free - t1 cards, compression hardware / software,
front ends, etc.

if we're talking straight consumer video meeting software, this hasn't
really taken off yet. sure, most people have skype installed on their
computers. but, when i want to call someone, i still pick up my phone
and use a ten year old 2g network to talk to people. will this get
big? i have no doubt - probably in less than five years. will open
source software work with it? eventually. will open source lead the
way in making it so that when i want to contact with someone, i am
mainly using programs that i can read the source code to? that's
highly doubtful.

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Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Brian

On Wed 11 May 2011 at 10:58:21 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:

> This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.

There are no existing alternatives to Skype to develop. So nothing to
re-ignite,

There is re-invention, of course, but who will invest in the
infrastructure to implement it?


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Re: specific kernel configuration for graphic card driver

2011-05-11 Thread Panayiotis Karabassis

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Hi!

Regarding the error you got, did you use a command line tool such as
wget? You may have not downloaded the packages at all, but the web
pages. Anyway the error message clearly suggests that the download was
corrupt.

Here is the second try. I hope no more are needed. It installs on my
Squeeze system, but that's as far as I got because I don't have an ATI card.

http://code.google.com/p/fglrx-squeeze/downloads/list

Do let me know how it goes!

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Re: Booting a USB hard drive

On Wed, 11 May 2011 00:54:03 -0700, Peter Bonucci wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 10, 2011 05:13:46 am Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> > Under SuperGrubDisk, "List devices/partitions", Grub doesn't see the
>> > USB drive.  None of the other options boot the drive.
>> > 
>> > Selecting the experimental USB support doesn't seem to change
>> > anything.
>> 
>> How is that? It should be accesible by SGD :-?
>> 
>> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/USB_Boot
>> 
>> But I'm starting to think the problem may be on the Western Digital USB
>> drive, as you said you were only facing problems with this concrete USB
>> disk... Look, it seems there is one report on WD forums:
>> 
>> How to boot linux from My passport
>> http://community.wdc.com/t5/My-Passport-for-PC/How-to-boot-linux-from-
My-pa
>> ssport/td-p/74214
>> 
>> Greetings,
> 
> This is where I am now:

(...)

> The USB Legacy option is enabled in the BIOS.
> 
> 
> If grub is in the MBR for the USB drive shouldn't I be able to boot it?

Sure. There must be a problem somewhere...

> Do you understand what is going on here?

Okay, I've carefully read all of your tests, so let's recap:

- SGD (1.98x) cannot detect the USB drive (¿?)
- SGD (0.99x) can detect the USB drive
- GRUB is installed into the MBR of the USB disk
- The Partition where GRUB is stored is marked as booteable

I still don't know what is preventing the "true" GRUB (the installed one) 
from booting but you can try to boot Debian directly with SDG (the 
version that detects the disk, that is, v. 0.99x) and see what happens.

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site


On 05/11/2011 02:13 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 10 May 2011 17:16:09 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:


On 05/10/2011 04:17 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 10 May 2011 14:41:43 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:


Hi Guys

 I am unable to get konquerer to display the Maps at
.

<"http://www.jonasson.org/maps"; :-)


No,.  Which works in iceweasel. :-(


Oops! Then sorry. I tried the above site and it did not work for me (I am
running Iceweasel 3.0.6 from lenny) so I -wrongly- thought that the URL
was mispelled ;-(


<--SNIP-->


What?? I doubt Opera cannot make landscape printings :-O

(...)


If you can't change from portrait to landscape, being that the page 
options selections are grayed out, how can it?


 opera 11.10.2092 on sid



I say this because if you are experiencing any problem with a site
while using Konqueror, most sure there is something that is not of the
like of the browser, probably some javascript routine or a HTML tag
that is not "standarized" and needs the "quircks" of the browser to get
the page load as the "webmaster" expect.



That is why I asked if anyone using konq could check the link for me.
:-)


Thanks again for all that tried to connect with Konqueror and reported 
the same results as I have here.



I brought konqueror up in xterm and there are a bunch of problems listed
like:

kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_klauncher.so
Connecting to deprecated signal
QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so
QMetaObject::invokeMethod: No such method
KUniqueApplication::loadCommandLineOptionsForNewInstance() kdeinit4:
preparing to launch /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kbuildsycoca4.so kbuildsycoca4
running...
kbuildsycoca4(1778) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry MimeType
in "/usr/share/applications/grace.desktop" is not compliant with XDG
standard (missing trailing semicolon). kdeinit4: preparing to launch
/usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kconf_update.so Connecting to deprecated signal
QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/kio_file.so

No Javascript errors though.  Guess I can forget about using Konq as
well.  I do not want the baggage that installing KDE would bring in.


Baut can you browse another site with konqueror or is just the one you
mentioned which fails? :-?


Just the one site I asked about.





Thanks again

Wayne


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Jeroen van Aart


Lisi wrote:
It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail.  And I thought 
that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention unpleasant. 


What you say is untrue. The code of conduct clearly states the following:

http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

"Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private 
mail, unless agreed beforehand."


I did not agree beforehand for you to quote my message.

It would be kind of you to apologise. It is generally considered bad 
nettiquette to send private emails to a mailing list and this list does 
not appear to be an exception.


In addition when replying the person's private email is copied in the 
"To:" not the list's address. In my experience this generally means a 
conscious decision was made to encourage replies to go to the individual 
instead of the list.


Best regards,
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Re: How to boot netinst CD from Toshiba Satellite 650?

On Tue, 10 May 2011 19:26:09 -0500, Charles Blair wrote:

> Pressing F2 at the beginning gives me a menu, but I didn't see anything
> for booting from the CD/DVD drive.

How about setting the boot priority with F12 key?
 
>Bonus question: I should be using AMD-64 netinst, right?

If the micro is 64-bits capable you can use either, i386 or amd64 
architectures.

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Re: I am not receiving my discussion mail.

2011-05-11 Thread Steven

On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 22:25 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote: 
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 15:43 +, Camaleón wrote:
[...snip...] 
> 
> Undocumented: Set up a filter for "to:mailing_list_address", and apply the
>   "Never send to spam" action.

I personally tried this, but it doesn't seem to work here, the part that
does work is what it actually says: not putting any messages in the spam
folder.

> ---
> 
> [0] http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=737a9de8dc7f8cb7



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Re: I am not receiving my discussion mail.

On Tue, 10 May 2011 22:25:50 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:

> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 15:43 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 20:53:14 +0530, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
>> 
>> > Please reply me, let me test, whether I am getting reply of email or
>> > not..
>> 
>> Are you using Gmail's smtp service?
>> 
>> If yes, it's normal you don't get your own postings (this is a
>> well-known "bugture": a bug that is called a "feature" :-P)
> 
> From [0]:
> 
> ---
> If you are sending messages from Gmail, you can get the sent messages to
> appear in the Inbox, but not the incoming messages.  There is a
> documented and undocumented way to do it:
> 
> Documented: make the mailing list a custom From address. (Unfortunately,
> the
> confirmation message will go to the list.)
> 
> Undocumented: Set up a filter for "to:mailing_list_address", and apply
> the
>   "Never send to spam" action.
> ---
> 
> [0]
> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=737a9de8dc7f8cb7

I have not tested any of those but I'm not sure those "bypasses" can work 
well.

It is indeed a documented "bugture" of Gmail:

Messages sent to mailing lists don't show in my inbox 
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6588

Messages with the same ID are not displayed in the inbox (sic) "to save 
you time and prevent clutter". That's just crazy :-)

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Re: finding the category of a package.


On 05/11/2011 02:01 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:

Folk,
By examining the repositories, a user can learn whether a package
is in main or contrib or non-free.  Is there any other way to find
the category of a package?

http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ shows that 3270-common is
non-free but doesn't show the category of shorewall.

"dpkg -l shorewall" also doesn't show the category.

*   From: Osamu Aoki
*   Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:09:41 +0900

This was discussed here before.


Must be a while back.

Regards, ... Peter E.





Try apt-cache show 3270-common

Description: Common files for IBM 3270 emulators and pr3287
 3270-common contains files referenced in other 3270 packages
Section: non-free/net
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/non-free/i/ibm-3270/3270-common_3.3.10ga4-2+b1_amd64.deb


Wayne


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Re: So much for Skype.

2011-05-11 Thread Carl Cook

On Wednesday 11 May, 2011 09:44:07 Aaron Toponce wrote:
> I'm failing to see the "finger wagging".

What an awful work environment you must have, to have become so enured to such 
a negative attitude that you don't notice.  And not only that, but to try and 
inflict it on others.

I am not going to bicker with you.


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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site (Solution for firefox FIX!!)

On 05/11/2011 03:55 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:

11/05/2011 08:21, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Ma, 10 mai 11, 19:19:33, Wayne Topa wrote:

Are you sure? Bring up an xterm and run iftop -nNB -i and then bring up iceweasel but don't connect to the net.
If you don't see connections from Google/Mozilla and others I will
be very surprised. I recall a long thread 3-4 years ago where it
was discussed how to stop all of those probes. I was on dialup at
that time and my slow downloads would take hours to get here due to
all the probes from the net. There was no solution then IIRC.
Maybe there is none.

Yes, I see connections to at least Google as well (with Iceweasel 4 from
experimental). You might get rid of at least some by deactivating the
automatic search for updates for extensions and search engines.

Those made a big difference!!

Regards,
Andrei

OK, maybe this is relevant:

https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox%20makes%20unrequested%20connections

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Connections_established_on_startup_-_Firefox

Thank you Andrei!!! These links are the answer to the Firefox hits I
was getting. I changed only 3 items and am now able to use firefox in

the same manner as rekonq or konqueror. No more loss of bandwidth or
MB's of my download allocation.

I can't say thank you enough.

Best Regards
Wayne

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

On Tue, 10 May 2011 17:16:09 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:

> On 05/10/2011 04:17 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 14:41:43 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Guys
>>>
>>> I am unable to get konquerer to display the Maps at
>>> .
>> <"http://www.jonasson.org/maps"; :-)
> 
> No, .  Which works in iceweasel. :-(

Oops! Then sorry. I tried the above site and it did not work for me (I am 
running Iceweasel 3.0.6 from lenny) so I -wrongly- thought that the URL 
was mispelled ;-(

Look:

sm01@stt008:~$ wget http://www.jonassan.org/maps
--2011-05-11 19:59:14--  http://www.jonassan.org/maps
Resolving www.jonassan.org... failed: Name or service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address `www.jonassan.org'

I still cannot reach the site :-?

>>> I am forced to use Konq due to
>>> iceweasel attracting so many hits from the web that my monthly limit
>>> would be exhausted in 2 weeks.  Oddly, konquerer does not get ANY hits
>>> at all.
>>
>> I'm not sure to have understood correctly that stanza.
>>
> Sorry.  I knew exactly what I meant but did not convey it properly.
> 
> When I connect to the net and do not have iceweasel running, I can get
> mail or using Konqueror, I watch the output of if iftop and see normal
> network connections from the dns server, ntp, and the site/sites I am
> connected to.  Maybe 6 addresses at a time.
> 
> When I open iceweasel and connect to my 127.0.0.1/dwww page, Not the
> Net, I get screen after screen full of ip addresses connecting to me on
> many different ports and eating up my download allotment.  The downloads
> to me stop on quiting iceweasel.  That being the case, I have concluded
> the running iceweasel is NOT in my best interest,

I'm afraid I still don't understand it, sorry. How is going an external 
IP to connect to you? Where are those IP coming from? Maybe you have some 
kind of add-on plugin enabled in Iceweasel that establishes those 
external connections? :-?

> So the question remains, can anyone confirm that konqueror can connect
> to www.jonasson.org/maps/ and if so do they run it in KDE or another WM.

I can't even reach the site :-?

>> How can Iceweasel "generate" more web traffic and what relation has
>> that with using it or not? :-?
>>
>>> If some could check the above link to see if they can see the maps
>>> with konquerer, I sure would appreciate it.
>>
>> I can't help here because I'm not using KDE ;-(
>>
> Neither do I but I need a browser that doesn't open up my system to
> attack, so I have installed konqueror with all of it's dependences and
> suggests.

You should investigate what is happening with Icewasel, because it is not 
normal.
 
> I also tried Opera but it seems that it only supports Portrait printing
> and I need landscape.  Opera would be OK as far as it does not attract
> the network either.

What?? I doubt Opera cannot make landscape printings :-O

(...)

>> I say this because if you are experiencing any problem with a site
>> while using Konqueror, most sure there is something that is not of the
>> like of the browser, probably some javascript routine or a HTML tag
>> that is not "standarized" and needs the "quircks" of the browser to get
>> the page load as the "webmaster" expect.
>>
>>
> That is why I asked if anyone using konq could check the link for me. 
> :-)
> 
> I brought konqueror up in xterm and there are a bunch of problems listed
> like:
> 
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_klauncher.so
> Connecting to deprecated signal
> QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so
> QMetaObject::invokeMethod: No such method
> KUniqueApplication::loadCommandLineOptionsForNewInstance() kdeinit4:
> preparing to launch /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kbuildsycoca4.so kbuildsycoca4
> running...
> kbuildsycoca4(1778) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry MimeType
> in "/usr/share/applications/grace.desktop" is not compliant with XDG
> standard (missing trailing semicolon). kdeinit4: preparing to launch
> /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kconf_update.so Connecting to deprecated signal
> QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/kio_file.so
> 
> No Javascript errors though.  Guess I can forget about using Konq as
> well.  I do not want the baggage that installing KDE would bring in.

Baut can you browse another site with konqueror or is just the one you 
mentioned which fails? :-?

Greetings,

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Re (2): finding the category of a package.

2011-05-11 Thread peasthope

From:   Axel Freyn 
Date:   Wed, 11 May 2011 19:11:56 +0200
> I use normally "apt-cache show"
> apt-cache show shorewall
> Then you get the Filename:
> Filename: pool/main/s/shorewall/shorewall_4.4.11.6-3_all.deb
> ==> it is in main

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site