Re: Tracing Filesystem Accesses

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 5/12/2011 5:19 AM, Rainer Dorsch wrote:

Hello,

I added an SSD in my system and moved the root filesystem to the SSD (which
includes now also most of /home in my system). I spin down the regular hard
disks and the system is a lot more quiet than before :-)

Sometimes though something is accessing data on the disk drives, which I do
not understand.


Did you relocate swap to the SSD?

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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 5/12/2011 5:05 AM, Lisi wrote:

On Thursday 12 May 2011 10:20:44 Stan Hoeppner wrote:

~$20k can buy you a 2 socket 24 core AMD Magny Cours HP server with 32GB
RAM, quad GbE ports, a 10 GbE PCIe x4/x8 NIC, LSI's top of the line PCIe
x8 RAID HBA with 1GB BBWC and 2 SFF8088 SAS ports, two LSI 24 drive 2.5"
chainable SAS enclosures w/ internal expanders and 48 SAS drives of
300GB capacity and 15k spindle speed.


There is an important omission in this statement.  The sentence should
begin "In the USA.", as should any discussions by USA residents of the
cost of hardware.


The omission is yours Lisi.  You cut the immediately preceding paragraph 
which set the context for the remainder of that post:


"This typically holds true in the US where the total cost of labor is 
far greater than hardware.  This is definitely not the case in 
'developing' countries, where the acquisition cost of a single tier 1 
server may very well be greater than an SA's yearly salary. "



Not all of us can buy our hardware in the USA, even if we can afford the
hardware, and prices outside the USA can be (in my experience usually are)
significantly higher.


You've just repeated the exact point I made in the email which you 
(wrongly) attempted to critique...


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Re: unable to apt-get an older system

[Lisi]

On Friday 13 May 2011 05:30:44 Jim Pazarena wrote:
> I have:
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib
>
> which dies (apt-get update) on:
> Get:6 http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/contrib Release [98B]
> Fetched 8830kB in 1m56s (76.1kB/s)
> Reading Package Lists... Error!

I understood that you didn't want to upgrade - but you have been updating your 
database with Squeeze, Debian 6, the current stable: i.e. skipping Lenny 
(current Old Stable) completely.  It's lucky that your apt-get update hung, 
since you would have hosed your system if you had upgraded from that database 
without reading teh release notes and going via Lenny.

You will find the various Etch packages at:

CDs etc.:
http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/

sources.list:
For Free Software:
deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main

For Sources
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main

I don't know where the Etch contrib and non-free repositories are nor whether 
they still exist.

Once you have edited your sources list, you will need to update your apt 
database with these repositories, but you will need to get rid of the Squeeze 
data first, but I have never edited the apt datbase and that don't know how 
to do it.

Lisi


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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 5/12/2011 4:49 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:

Am 12.05.2011 11:41, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:



It's becoming very clear you've not been in the SA game very long...



SA?


System Administration


Two mirrored would be better, so $400-1200 USD.  This would
yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has now, and ~250MB/s
bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.



Never use a single drive for important data. Dont tell this idea to
other people please!


Apparently you don't read thoroughly either.  Note my words "Two
mirrored" above.


"would be better" here means: maybe we can do this, but without its also
ok. 95% of all financial bosses will choose cheapest solution, and this
is often not the "better" solution.


SSDs are inherently many times more reliable than [1]SRDs as they have 
no moving parts and dissipate very little heat.  They are electronic 
devices and thus can eventually fail, but the probability of this 
happening during a standard server's deployed 3-6 year lifespan is many 
times lower than with SRDs.


Backup/restore from/to SSDs using D2D systems or a tape library is many 
times faster than with RAIDED SRDs making mirroring/RAID less attractive 
with SSDs.  Using mirroring/RAID with SSDs can save you some downtime vs 
a restore, but that doesn't make it mandatory.  Ultimately, the decision 
to mirror/RAID SSDs (or SRDs for that matter) is left to the SA, based 
on his knowledge level of the technology, his risk analysis, his budget, 
etc.


[1] SRD - Spinning Rust Disk - antiquated magnetic storage devices that 
will likely disappear from the face of the earth in 20 years (or less).


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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Markus Neviadomski]

Am 13.05.2011 04:57, schrieb Aldyth Maharsha:
> I'm sorry i'm late for reply, yes it is old server but still used. I
> don't install any desktop and xserver, it is pure CLI because i'm
> install from debian netinst.
> 

No problem, i also have to sleep ;)

Did you found any "sleep" or "energy save" or "standby" options in BIOS?

To recover the data from your broken disk, please use a tool like parted
magic (Ultimate boot cd), partimage, or clonezille to create a 1:1 clone
of the broken disk to a new disk. On the new one, you can run fsck
without pain or use one of the recovery tools on ultimate boot cd.

Markus


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Re: unable to apt-get an older system

[Jim Pazarena]

On 2011-05-10 9:43 AM, Tom Grace wrote:

On 10/05/11 16:50, Jim Pazarena wrote:

I have a debian based appliance which is running 2.6.16.62, I am unsure
how to
determine debian version.

You may have some luck with:
cat /etc/debian_version


ahhh..   4.0



Is there a way around this? Other than a full update, which isn't possible
because the appliance runs a canned program which would likely choke on
a full upgrade.

I'm thinking the problem *might* be that you are running an old release, but have 
"stable" in
sources.list.
If you find the release you have installed, you may have more luck using 
http://archive.debian.org/
in your sources.list.


I have:
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib

which dies (apt-get update) on:
Get:6 http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/contrib Release [98B]
Fetched 8830kB in 1m56s (76.1kB/s)
Reading Package Lists... Error!

the other "Get:1 .. thru .. Get:5" seem to work just fine.

Is there an adjustment I can make or an addition to the sources.list file
which can sneak this Get:6 into working?

I tried replacing ftp.us.debian.org  with archive.debian.org and the error 
messages really flew!

Help appreciated. Many thanks.
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Re: So much for Skype.

[Stephen Allen]

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58:21AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
> 
> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
> 
> This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
> 
> And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could.

MSFT has stated publicly that they will support other platforms going forward. 
They'll be able to sell ads so it wouldn't be in their interest to do so.


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Stephen Allen]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:03:52AM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:16 AM,   wrote:
> 
> +20
> >
> > Oh and as far as that thing I said about having Cred, Camaleón assist more
> > people on this list than just about anyone, so he's got Cred.
> >
> > Pick your battles a bit wiser.
> >
> > TeddyB
> >
> 
> 
> I have tried (rather well) to steer clear of this thread, although I have
> read it with mild enthusiasm.  Camaleón and Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. both
> appear on this list a lot, I would go as far as to say (just for the sake of
> argument) that they equally help people, in their own ways, based on their
> own opinions and experiences. I can't help but notice that both Camaleón and
> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. also remind me of Jack Lemon and Walter Matthau in
> the Odd Couple, strong willed and opinionated individuals who fight,
> bitterly about anything they can, I get that impression here that you are
> this lists version of the Odd Couple ... so shake hands, agree to disagree
> and let this thread die, it's starting to get old now.

What's getting old is your repeated attempts to close this conversation down. 
I'm enjoying it. Who are you to tell people to stop posting; you're free to 
ignore it; Surely you know how to disappear a thread in your e-mail client?!

Cameleon has the cred for sure. ;)


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ssh suddenly prompting for passphrase

[Mike Castle]

Just sharing something that happened to me.

After a recent upgrade with debian/testing, I noticed that ssh would
pop up a window asking for my password, and this would be AFTER
running ssh-add.

Turns out that I needed to read this bit in
/usr/share/doc/gnome-keyring/README.Debian:

"""
The GNOME keyring includes the functionality of the SSH and GPG agents,
and it can break some setups, especially if ssh-agent and/or gpg-agent
is started by hand.

You can disable a specific component by removing the gnome-keyring-gpg
and gnome-keyring-ssh elements from the startup applications. The
interface depends on your session manager; for GNOME you can use
gnome-session-properties. You can also simply edit
/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-*.desktop.
"""

Now for me, surprise GUI prompts are annoying for a couple of reasons.
 First, it's new.  I've never seen that before this recent upgrade.
Second, I usually run screen, and it's possible the that first time I
run ssh out of this machine would have been after I first ssh-ed into
it, did screen -x, then ssh back out.  So there'd be some random X app
prompting for my password on a machine several buildings away.

Anyway, from my GNOME desktop, it was simply
System/Preferences/Startup Applications and uncheck GNOME Keyring SSH
Agent

Cheers,
mrc


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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Aldyth Maharsha]

I'm sorry i'm late for reply, yes it is old server but still used. I don't
install any desktop and xserver, it is pure CLI because i'm install from
debian netinst.

Re: Help About Squeeze

[Aldyth Maharsha]

I'm sorry i'm late for reply, yes it is old server but still used. I don't
install any desktop and xserver, it is pure CLI because i'm install from
debian netinst.

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Markus Neviadomski
wrote:

> Am 12.05.2011 11:53, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> > On 5/12/2011 4:34 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:
> >
> >> You are right...but, read my first post. I wrote about 4-6 cores. This
> >> is a typical sandy bridge system with core i7. No real server hardware,
> >> but fast enough for the OP, when his Sempron is working until today!
> >> 16GB Ram are possible and cheap enough for development countrys servers.
> >
> > The OP doesn't need more performance.  If so, he didn't state it here.
> > He simply asked how to turn off the sleep mode.  He didn't ask how to
> > fix his storage device issue.  It's probably safe to assume that the
> > OP's storage device issues are due to reasons other than his skills as
> > an SA.  Most likely, as we've seen this scenario before, he's stuck
> > with a Sempron machine with only two small disks for 200 people
> > because of a lack of funding.  If he had the funding, do you think
> > he'd still be using such a machine as a server, even if it is adequate
> > for his performance needs?
> Nobody assumed that the op has performance issues. In the past, mostly
> all issues with sempron systems are caused by partly broken mainboards
> oper power supplies. His system description sounds like an old sempron,
> not a new AM3-one. You may do trial&error which such a crappy system, i
> offer an other solution. If the OP could not by hardware, he may write
> this.
> >
> > If I were him I'd likely find your comments a bit insulting, as you
> > have implied he doesn't know how to manage his server upgrades or
> > recover from a disk problem.  Again, note that he didn't ask for help
> > with these basic issues that pretty much everyone on this list knows
> > how to handle.
> Knowledge about sleep mode is a basic knowledge, admins should have.
> The OP doesnt have these knowledge i thought. Maybe he needs help on
> other topics too. A good supporter offer help not only for the problem,
> the customer askes for.
>
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Re: Defending yourself

[John Hasler]

Chris Brennan writes:
> This list and many others policy is to bottom-post. 

With appropriate trimming of quoted material.
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Re: Download onto CD failed to burn

[Chris]

Make sure you are burning as an iso image and not just burning the actual file 
to the media
Sent from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: Michael Selinger 
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:29:58 
To: 
Subject: Download onto CD failed to burn

Hello,

  I'm interested in trying out Debian's OS.  I downloaded from your website, 
which
took a half hour even with a high speed cable connection.  I then sent it on to 
my
E-drive, to burn it onto a disc.  After 17 mins., I forced a shutdown...log 
message
"Burn failed."  I'm at a loss.  Never had a problem burning a cd or dvd on this 
unit.

Any suggestions?  I would like to get away from relying on Windows, and try your
OS, as I heard it was superior.

Thanks,
Mike Selinger

Download onto CD failed to burn

[Michael Selinger]

Hello,

  I'm interested in trying out Debian's OS.  I downloaded from your website, 
which
took a half hour even with a high speed cable connection.  I then sent it on to 
my
E-drive, to burn it onto a disc.  After 17 mins., I forced a shutdown...log 
message
"Burn failed."  I'm at a loss.  Never had a problem burning a cd or dvd on this 
unit.

Any suggestions?  I would like to get away from relying on Windows, and try your
OS, as I heard it was superior.

Thanks,
Mike Selinger

Re: Defending yourself

[PMA]

Sorry, i did not cc to the list:

Chris Brennan wrote:

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:22 PM, PMA  wrote:

Actually "Re: Posting Style" (nevermind a new thread):


It seems to me that bottom-posting is for people who want to read
in one direction, while top-posting is for people who want to see the
current message immediately.

I am wedded to the latter by profession, game in any case for either,
and willing to abide by a given list's rule, if it exists, for using which.

PA



This list and many others policy is to bottom-post. Regardless, can we
please let this thread die in peace?


Hear hear!


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Re: Defending yourself

[Chris Brennan]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:22 PM, PMA  wrote:

Actually "Re: Posting Style" (nevermind a new thread):
>
> It seems to me that bottom-posting is for people who want to read
> in one direction, while top-posting is for people who want to see the
> current message immediately.
>
> I am wedded to the latter by profession, game in any case for either,
> and willing to abide by a given list's rule, if it exists, for using which.
>
> PA


This list and many others policy is to bottom-post. Regardless, can we
please let this thread die in peace?

-- 

> A: Yes.
> >Q: Are you sure?
> >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.

> >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?

Re: Defending yourself

[PMA]

Actually "Re: Posting Style" (nevermind a new thread):

It seems to me that bottom-posting is for people who want to read
in one direction, while top-posting is for people who want to see the
current message immediately.

I am wedded to the latter by profession, game in any case for either,
and willing to abide by a given list's rule, if it exists, for using which.

PA


It's hard to see a humble opinion ("IMHO") in this, flatly denying the
rule.


Said the user that replied in a "top-posting" styled format -that I had
to correct- while flagrantgly bypassing the last two points of the said
rules.



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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Robert Holtzman]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 09:59:42AM +, Camale�n wrote:

.snip
> 
> I'm fine if someone asks me off-list about anything (I reply almost all 
> of them) but something that is being discussed in a public thread should 
> be kept public... unless (I repeat) the user explictly says he/she 
> prefers to go off-list for whatever reason.

That's *only* your opinion. 

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Robert Holtzman]

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camale�n wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> 
> > Lisi wrote:
> >> It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail.  And I
> >> thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention
> >> unpleasant.
> > 
> > What you say is untrue. The code of conduct clearly states the
> > following:
> > 
> > http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
> > 
> > "Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private
> > mail, unless agreed beforehand."
> 
> IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states his/
> her desire to keep a private conversation..."

Did it ever occur to you that the omission is on purpose. Also, who are
you to dictate what the policy should be?

...snip..

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Freeman]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:15:55PM -0700, evenso wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:24:30PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote:
> > >On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> > >> > Lisi wrote:
> > >> >> It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail.  And I
> > >> >> thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention
> > >> >> unpleasant.
> > >> > 
> > >> > What you say is untrue. The code of conduct clearly states the
> > >> > following:
> > >> > 
> > >> > http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
> > >> > 
> > >> > "Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private
> > >> > mail, unless agreed beforehand."
> > >> 
> > >> IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states his/
> > >> her desire to keep a private conversation..."
> > >
> > >+1
> > 
> > -1
> > 
> > >Unless the user states that it is a private email, or it is obviously
> > >discrete, the most expeditious thing is to forward it to the list.
> > 
> > It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message to be 
> > private or not.  
> 
> Judgement doesn't have anything to do with it? 
> 
> An email containing 
> 
>   only information,
>   pertaining to a thread in progress,
>   from a _public_ list,
> 
> that does _not_ contain
> 
>   extreme opinions, 
>   personal information or comments, 
>   glaring errors, 
> 
> belongs on the list. 
> 
> The sole stated purpose of the list and the reason users registers is
> information for public use.
> 
> There is an element of trust in placing your email address on a public
> list. There is a policy in place to further respect for that trust.
> 
> There is an element of misaddressed emails. I did it and I use mutt with
> Mail-FollowUp-To: enabled.  I also sent a private apology when I saw what
> happened.
> 
> >Making the reply public and cause significant and 
> > irreversible damage.  Whereas, keeping the reply private causes, at most, 
> > temporary and reversible damage.
> 
> I've only reposted one of the private emails that shows up from the list. I
> understand that some are just being friendly and, lord knows, I can use all
> the friends I can get.  (Especially being a minnow out of water in the big
> tank.)
> 
> I reposted it with the disclaimer on top: "Assuming this was intended for
> the list."
> 
> That disclaimer came from occasional examples on the list.  The only issue
> arisen until now is the reverse: users aggravated at private mail sent to
> their INBOX.
> 
> When private email was not a friendly comment, and would have been 
> embarrassing
> or revealing, I simply sent scathing email back privately--actually, just
> instructive, stating policy.
> 
> I am under the impression that it is not just a policy but a point of
> netiquette.
> 
> Nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with the assumption that list users
> have read the policy.  In fact that may be the best enforcement of list
> policy.
> 
> > 
> > Replies to private messages should be kept private.  It is easy enough to 
> > prompt the sender to use the list for future correspondence and 
> > simultaneously 
> > give you permissions for your private message to be quoted in a public 
> > forum.
> 
> Everything is easy enough until it gets added to a busy day. =:0
> 
> A piece of a progressing public discussion has no business in my INBOX. I
> don't really want a back-and forth regarding its purpose or the possibly
> result of a late posting to the thread.  
> 
> In registering I trusted my fellow users not to use my email address on a
> whim.
> 
> Being respectful of others can be an absolute without abdicating judgement.
> 
> If there is nothing personal in an inappropriate email--only information and
> points of view--and there is a possibility that it is misaddressed, putting
> it where it belongs with appropriate disclaimer is practical.
> 
> Yes, there are people with bad judgement. And once they convince us to
> eliminating judgement from all solutions, we will have completed our
> transition into cyborgs.
> 

P.S.  I've reread the code of conduct. 

A shocker to me: it doesn't address private emails.  I must have
taken the item stating don't Cc: OPs to mean private emails.  

And it sort of does mean use judgement about private emails.  The same
issues apply--with the additional purpose of sharing information _publicly_. 
Maybe the private mail issues isn't codified because it would thereby
discourage friendly interchanges. Then there is a call for judgement.

Judgement is constantly exercised on the list. 

The person posting a test got help rather than admonishment because of the
clear need for assistance accessing the list.  Turned out the problem was
another code violation, posting unsubscribed without noting that fact in the
message.  And all of it probably embarrassed the OP.

Nothing to be done abou

apt pinning (Re: Boot problem after crashed update)

[Arno Schuring]

Javier Barroso (javibarr...@gmail.com on 2011-05-12 19:11 +0200):
>
> Other possible solution would be pinning all packages from sid to
> their current version (upgrading glibc with the bug, of course), and
> removing sid from sources.list, and again wait, but this time you
> could upgrade your system. But I'm not sure if you can have a package
> pinned when the version is not in your repositories from sources.list
> (Can anyone clarify this ?)
You can, but with limitations. For non-version pins, apt needs the
release file so that won't work if you remove it from sources.list.

So a pin like this:
  package: libc6
  pin: version 2.11.*
  pin-priority: 900
Will still work without the release file, but
  package: libc6
  pin: release a=testing
  pin-priority: 900
Will not work if there is no "testing" release in the apt cache.

I would suggest for the OP to create staged pins for all suites (see
below). This is what I do on all systems to prevent all hell from
breaking loose when I add the wrong suite in sources.list :)

Of course, simply setting APT::Default-Release is a simpler solution
but it will only work if you stick to a single suite. In this specific
example, setting Default-Release would have prevented libc6 from
upgrading from stable to unstable, but once libc6-2.13 hits testing,
there is nothing preventing apt from installing libc6-2.14 when it
enters unstable.


Hope this is useful to anyone,
Arno


aschuring@neminis:~$ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/10releases 
# Always mark Debian stable as a prime candidate
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=stable
Pin-Priority: 900

# slightly preferred release: Debian testing
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing
Pin-Priority: 600

# lower priority of unstable, to allow auto-migration to testing
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 300

# all other Debian releases: allow upgrades, but low priority
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: 200


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Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Javier Barroso]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Jochen Schulz  wrote:
> Javier Barroso:
>>
>> So, why not, simply wait one month without upgrading, remove sid from
>> your sources.list (and keep only wheezy), and then aptitude update;
>> aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade ?
>
> Because the OP would still run some kind of more or less mixed
> wheezy/sid system even though he wants to run stable.
Sorry I misread about which release was running Simmon, I was thinking
in a pure wheezy system ;)

Thank you clarifying this !


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Freeman]

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:24:30PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote:
> >On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> >> > Lisi wrote:
> >> >> It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail.  And I
> >> >> thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention
> >> >> unpleasant.
> >> > 
> >> > What you say is untrue. The code of conduct clearly states the
> >> > following:
> >> > 
> >> > http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
> >> > 
> >> > "Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private
> >> > mail, unless agreed beforehand."
> >> 
> >> IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states his/
> >> her desire to keep a private conversation..."
> >
> >+1
> 
> -1
> 
> >Unless the user states that it is a private email, or it is obviously
> >discrete, the most expeditious thing is to forward it to the list.
> 
> It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message to be 
> private or not.  

Judgement doesn't have anything to do with it? 

An email containing 

  only information,
  pertaining to a thread in progress,
  from a _public_ list,

that does _not_ contain

  extreme opinions, 
  personal information or comments, 
  glaring errors, 

belongs on the list. 

The sole stated purpose of the list and the reason users registers is
information for public use.

There is an element of trust in placing your email address on a public
list. There is a policy in place to further respect for that trust.

There is an element of misaddressed emails. I did it and I use mutt with
Mail-FollowUp-To: enabled.  I also sent a private apology when I saw what
happened.

>Making the reply public and cause significant and 
> irreversible damage.  Whereas, keeping the reply private causes, at most, 
> temporary and reversible damage.

I've only reposted one of the private emails that shows up from the list. I
understand that some are just being friendly and, lord knows, I can use all
the friends I can get.  (Especially being a minnow out of water in the big
tank.)

I reposted it with the disclaimer on top: "Assuming this was intended for
the list."

That disclaimer came from occasional examples on the list.  The only issue
arisen until now is the reverse: users aggravated at private mail sent to
their INBOX.

When private email was not a friendly comment, and would have been embarrassing
or revealing, I simply sent scathing email back privately--actually, just
instructive, stating policy.

I am under the impression that it is not just a policy but a point of
netiquette.

Nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with the assumption that list users
have read the policy.  In fact that may be the best enforcement of list
policy.

> 
> Replies to private messages should be kept private.  It is easy enough to 
> prompt the sender to use the list for future correspondence and 
> simultaneously 
> give you permissions for your private message to be quoted in a public forum.

Everything is easy enough until it gets added to a busy day. =:0

A piece of a progressing public discussion has no business in my INBOX. I
don't really want a back-and forth regarding its purpose or the possibly
result of a late posting to the thread.  

In registering I trusted my fellow users not to use my email address on a
whim.

Being respectful of others can be an absolute without abdicating judgement.

If there is nothing personal in an inappropriate email--only information and
points of view--and there is a possibility that it is misaddressed, putting
it where it belongs with appropriate disclaimer is practical.

Yes, there are people with bad judgement. And once they convince us to
eliminating judgement from all solutions, we will have completed our
transition into cyborgs.

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Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

[Arno Schuring]

Charles Blair (c-bl...@illinois.edu on 2011-05-12 10:38 -0500):
>[Sorry, I'm using claws-mail and it doesn't seem to let
> me post follow-ups]
Are you sure? I'm using claws-mail (granted, from Wheezy, so newer than
your version) and am writing this message with "Reply to list (Ctrl+L)"

[..]
>I tried typing "aptitude update".  Part of the output:
> 
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
> > Hit http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages
> 
>However, when I start aptitude, click on "not installed
> packages," then on "editors," the only thing I see is main.
can you type in a terminal:
$ apt-cache policy emacs21-common-non-dfsg
and post the output?


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Re: Booting a USB hard drive

[Peter Bonucci]

On Thursday, May 12, 2011 04:38:18 am Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 15:30:22 -0700, Peter Bonucci wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:04:48 pm Camaleón wrote:
> >> Okay, I've carefully read all of your tests, so let's recap:
> >> 
> >> - SGD (1.98x) cannot detect the USB drive (¿?)
> >> - SGD (0.99x) can detect the USB drive
> >> - GRUB is installed into the MBR of the USB disk
> >> - The Partition where GRUB is stored is marked as booteable
> >> 
> >> I still don't know what is preventing the "true" GRUB (the installed
> >> one) from booting but you can try to boot Debian directly with SDG (the
> >> version that detects the disk, that is, v. 0.99x) and see what happens.
> > 
> > I agree with your recap.
> > 
> > When I run SGD 0.9799,
> 
> Wait... I missed this.
> 
> SGD 0.9799 is only "GRUB legacy" aware, which means that can only deal
> with GRUB legacy installations, AFAIK.
> 
> Did you installed GRUB 2 or GRUB legacy into the USB hard disk?
> 
> - If you installed GRUB legacy you have to use SGD 0.97xx to try to boot
> from there
> 
> - If you installed GRUB 2 you have to use SDG 1.98xx
> 
> >   I select Boot & Tools /
> >   
> >   Boot Master Boot Record (MBR) /
> >   Boot Master Boot Record (MBR)
> > 
> > SGD lists two drives, (hd0), the laptop hard disk and (hd1) the USB
> > drive. I select (hd1) and SGD displays: "Error 25: Disk Read Error"
> 
>^
> 
> (...)
> 
> I don't like that error :-/
> 
> ***
> 25 : Disk read error
> This error is returned if there is a disk read error when trying to probe
> or read data from a particular disk.
> ***
> 
> But you can try with another menu option: "GNU/Linux → Boot GNU
> Linux" (or Boot GNU Linux directly).

I installed GRUB2 onto the USB drive. 

SGD 1.98xx does not see the drive at all.  The light on the USB drive does not 
even flicker.

When I use SGD 0.97xx to "boot directly",  it boots to the laptop drive.  
Using "Easy swap"  does not make a difference.  ("Easy swap" assigns the 
laptop to hd1 and the USB to hd0.  "Boot directly"  then boots to hd1.)

I tried removing the laptop hard drive in the hope that it would make it 
easier for SGD to find the drive.  Both versions of SGD behaved the same as 
before.


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Re: USB data corruption except in single user mode

[Arno Schuring]

jida...@jidanni.org (jida...@jidanni.org on 2011-05-11 21:58 +0800):
> What does it mean here on sid, when plugging in memory cards works
> fine in single user mode, with only
[..]
> running, but then in multi user mode, with
[..]
> running, plugging in many of the same memory cards results in
>   device not accepting address
>   device descriptor read/64, error -71
> etc. etc.
> Even data corruption -- gee thanks.
Just a wild guess - in single-user mode, USB power saving is not
enabled. do a
$ cat /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend 
to check. But this is really a stretch, autosuspend is controlled
through modprobe so should work the same in any boot mode.

You might also want to check if the same usb modules are loaded in both
modes. Use
$ lsmod |grep hci
to check.

> What process is fighting for the USB connection. I use
> # Change to zero to disable usbmount
> ENABLED=0
> so what others might be the culprit?
This sort of thing can drive you nuts. I've had this problem a few
years ago, and it's really hard to find out what's really wrong. Let's
just say that not all USB devices are created equal. See
http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg33539.html and its thread for
an example.

My problem eventually turned out to be an underpowered external USB
hub, even though the failing devices were not connected through that
hub, and the hub itself appeared to be working fine. Giving the hub its
own power supply resolved the issue.

If you can reliably reproduce this, you still might want to take it up
on the linux-usb mailing list.


Good luck,
Arno


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Re: IRC wiki page wrong.

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 22:30:49 +0300
Rares Aioanei  wrote:

Hello Rares,

> I couldn't fathom where to report this , so I'm hoping that
> here it will meet the appropriate eyes. On http://wiki.debian.org/IRC
{etc}

It's a *wiki*

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IRC wiki page wrong.

[Rares Aioanei]

I couldn't fathom where to report this , so I'm hoping that
here it will meet the appropriate eyes. On http://wiki.debian.org/IRC
it's told that #debian-cli is http://wiki.debian.org/CommandLineInterface>; however, accesing the channel (on 
oftc, 
obviously), show me the topic as being "Topic for #debian-cli is: Common 
Language Infrastructure (CLI) runtimes, apps & libs for Debian: 
http://is.gd/YN7w | Mono 1.9.1 in Debian/Lenny, 2.6.7 in 
Debian/Lenny-Backports, Debian/Squeeze, Debian/Sid | TODO: http://is.gd/Oe6i | 
Debuntu-Stats: http://is.gd/Oe8M | Sponsorship: %rfs-help  | Debian CLI Policy 
0.7 released | Say hello to the new Debian CLI Applications Team member: MadCow
* Topic for #debian-cli set by meebey!mee...@booster.qnetp.net at Tue Apr  5 
22:38:42 2011 " - so the OTHER cli, the .net one. In hope that this will help 
adjust the wiki page, all the best.


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Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

12/05/2011 14:59, Simon Hoerder wrote:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
> [...]
>> Since you still have a bootable operating system, you may try the hint
>> at .
> 
> After taking a second look at Sven's link after lunch I discovered
> similar hints there as well. These hints helped to some degree - now the
> boot works again but when the xserver starts something breaks (probably
> related to the propietary NVidia driver).
> 
>>> C) How can I prevent getting unstable packages into my system in the
>>>future?
>>
>> Don't add sid to your sources.list. :) And if you do: use pinning or set
>> your default distribution in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90local (man apt.conf,
>> Default-Release).
>>
>> J.
> 
> That's good to know, thanks. :-)
> 
> Is there an easy way to remove all unstable packages? Otherwise I don't
> worry too much about the xserver issue and reinstall.
> 
> Many thanks for the help.
> 

If you want to ix the installed system, after recreating the links
/lib64 --> /lib and /usr/lib64 --> /usr/lib (from live-cd or in
initramfs), reboot in single mode and run:

dpkg --configure -a

because your libc6 and associated packages are stuck halfway in their
installation process. Then reboot and you should be fine.

Finally update, fixed packages are available.

If you don't have too many packages from unstable, you can try
downgrading some, I would use aptitude for that. Then use pinning to
cherry pick what you want.


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Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

[Heddle Weaver]

On 13 May 2011 01:38, Charles Blair  wrote:

>   [Sorry, I'm using claws-mail and it doesn't seem to let
> me post follow-ups]
>
>  Thanks to everyone for the prompt responses, but I still have
> a problem.  My /etc/apt/sources.list includes
>
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
>
>   I tried typing "aptitude update".  Part of the output:
>
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
> > Hit http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages
>
>   However, when I start aptitude, click on "not installed
> packages," then on "editors," the only thing I see is main.
>
>   Is there an aptitude tutorial someplace?  I suspect there
> are a lot of basic things I don't know.
>

There's a package in the repositories (in main) called aptitude-doc-en, I
think from memory.
You could check that be searching through the ncurses aptitude interface.
Regards,

Weaver.
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Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Jochen Schulz]

Javier Barroso:
> 
> So, why not, simply wait one month without upgrading, remove sid from
> your sources.list (and keep only wheezy), and then aptitude update;
> aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade ?

Because the OP would still run some kind of more or less mixed
wheezy/sid system even though he wants to run stable.

BTW, thanks for this thread! I carelessly upgraded my sid system this
morning without even noticing that it completely b0rked my system. :)
Luckily, I had a flash drive with d-i handy and my system was up and
running in a few minutes again.

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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

[Tom Furie]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:24:15PM +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote:
> I don't know about this as I'm one of the lucky ones that uses Vim, but I
> should suspect that those should be in main anyway?
> Regards,

You would think so, but due to invariant sections in the documentation
they're stuck in non-free.

Cheers,
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Unable to set Intel wireless card to master mode

[Damu R]

Hi,
I am having a HP EliteBook 6930p laptop with Intel Ultimate  N WiFi Link
5300. Though the card supports master mode I am not able to set it to run in
master mode. Is there anyway I can enable this mode?

$ sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode master
Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.

$ sudo /usr/sbin/hostapd ~/hostapd.conf
Configuration file: /home/damu/hostapd.conf
Could not set interface wlan0 flags: Input/output error
nl80211 driver initialization failed.
ELOOP: remaining socket: sock=4 eloop_data=0x9382a78 user_data=0x9382fe8
handler=0x807b9f0
ELOOP: remaining socket: sock=6 eloop_data=0x9384bb8 user_data=(nil)
handler=0x8085990

The description of the device from lshw and iw are given below.

lshw description:
  *-network
   description: Wireless interface
   product: Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300
   vendor: Intel Corporation
   physical id: 0
   bus info: pci@:02:00.0
   logical name: wlan0
   version: 00
   serial: 00:21:6a:6d:f6:c4
   width: 64 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical
wireless
   configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlagn driverversion=2.6.38-2-686
firmware=8.83.5.1 build 33692 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE
802.11abgn
   resources: irq:46 memory:d860-d8601fff

The supported modes from iw output:
Supported interface modes:
 * IBSS
 * managed
 * AP
 * AP/VLAN
 * monitor


Thanks
Damu

Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Javier Barroso]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Jochen Schulz  wrote:
> Simon Hoerder:
>>
>> Is there an easy way to remove all unstable packages?
>
> No, at least no easy way I could come up with. You could use aptitude
> search to identify installed packages from unstable, remove them and
> reinstall them from squeeze. But since you apparently already have libc
> from unstable, that won't work.  You could also try to forcibly
> downgrade these packages to their squeeze version, but that's
> unsupported and will probably result in quite a mess.
>
> Reinstalling is your safest bet.
Well, I would try to not reinstall my system.

Think all your sid packages in your computer will be some day packages
in testing (or newer versions of these packages will enter in
testing). Maybe there are some of these packages which won't be in
testing by debian policy issues.

So, why not, simply wait one month without upgrading, remove sid from
your sources.list (and keep only wheezy), and then aptitude update;
aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade ?

Playing with aptitude / apt-cache you could know how many time you
have to wait to do  that upgrade.

Other possible solution would be pinning all packages from sid to
their current version (upgrading glibc with the bug, of course), and
removing sid from sources.list, and again wait, but this time you
could upgrade your system. But I'm not sure if you can have a package
pinned when the version is not in your repositories from sources.list
(Can anyone clarify this ?)

These technique only applies on periods where stable is recently released

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Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

[Axel Freyn]

Hi Charles,
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:38:10AM -0500, Charles Blair wrote:
>[Sorry, I'm using claws-mail and it doesn't seem to let
> me post follow-ups]
> 
>   Thanks to everyone for the prompt responses, but I still have
> a problem.  My /etc/apt/sources.list includes
> 
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
> 
>I tried typing "aptitude update".  Part of the output:
> 
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
> > Hit http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages
> 
>However, when I start aptitude, click on "not installed
> packages," then on "editors," the only thing I see is main.
Just to be sure: You are using lenny, and not squeeze ? :-)

And another remark: Whenever there appear NEW packages, aptitude will
show them in a special section (not "not installed packages", but "new
packages"). As you added the "non-free" repository, all packages from
non-free are now seen as "new" -- and should appear there (and NOT in
the section "not installed packages", where you looked :-)))

If I'm right (and they are in "new" right now), the following should
work:
If you execute "aptitude search emacs22-common", aptitude should find
both "emacs22-common" and "emacs22-common-non-dfsg".
and 
aptitude install emacs22-common-non-dfsg
should install it.

You can use "aptitude forget-new" to transfer all those "new" packages
into the "not installed"-section. Alternatively, you can do the same in
aptitude : Actions -> Forget new packages"

> 
>Is there an aptitude tutorial someplace?  I suspect there
> are a lot of basic things I don't know.
> 
You could try:

http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
which also refers to the apt-documentation
http://wiki.debian.org/Apt
and the "full" package-management documentation
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html


HTH,

Axel


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Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Jochen Schulz]

Simon Hoerder:
>
> Is there an easy way to remove all unstable packages?

No, at least no easy way I could come up with. You could use aptitude
search to identify installed packages from unstable, remove them and
reinstall them from squeeze. But since you apparently already have libc
from unstable, that won't work.  You could also try to forcibly
downgrade these packages to their squeeze version, but that's
unsupported and will probably result in quite a mess.

Reinstalling is your safest bet.

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Re: So much for Skype.

[Miles Fidelman]

Aaron Toponce wrote:

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:17:17PM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote:
   

Their Mac support used to include MS office, back in the mid 90s. I know
IT people from that era that said the Mac version of Office was so buggy,
thanks to their putting the Intel debugging symbols into the Mac version,
that entire IT departments switched from Mac to PC running Windows.
 

Microsoft continues to ship Mac versions of Microsoft Office, and from my
limited experience, I find it behaves better on Mac than on Windows, and
there are features in the Mac version that don't exist in the Windows
version. So, I don't know what you're driving at. Microsoft is continuing
to support Office on Mac OS X, a platform they certainly don't need to
support, with barely 12% of the desktop market share.
   


FYI: My experience is a lot more than limited - MS Office works just 
fine on Macs, it has for years. The major think lacking is support for 
macros, which is just as well from a security standpoint, and I 
understand that the latest release does support them (haven't upgraded yet).


Re. Skype:  A major reason for supporting Linux (and Mac) users is that 
any communications program is only useful if you can reach the people 
you want to talk to.  Chopping off significant numbers of users is not 
only an inconvenience to them, but to anyone who wants to reach them.  
That's part of the reason that we all pay a tax on our phone bills to 
subsidize rural telephone users - there's a benefit to having them on 
the network.  For that matter, I expect at least some of the folks here 
are old enough to remember the days when we had dozens of different 
email services, which didn't talk to each other - once CompuServe 
started supporting SMTP email (commercial customers wanted to talk to 
their colleagues on the ARPANET), everyone else followed suit very quickly.


Miles Fidelman

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access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

[Charles Blair]

   [Sorry, I'm using claws-mail and it doesn't seem to let
me post follow-ups]

  Thanks to everyone for the prompt responses, but I still have
a problem.  My /etc/apt/sources.list includes

> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free

   I tried typing "aptitude update".  Part of the output:

> Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
> Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
> Hit http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages

   However, when I start aptitude, click on "not installed
packages," then on "editors," the only thing I see is main.

   Is there an aptitude tutorial someplace?  I suspect there
are a lot of basic things I don't know.


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Re: So much for Skype.

[Brad Alexander]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Aaron Toponce wrote:

>
> 1/2 of their customer base? Are you implying that of all the subscribers to
> Skype, 1/2 of them are on GNU/Linux? Even knowing that the GNU/Linux
> desktop market share is less than 2% of the total worldwide? That's a bold
> statement to make. Have something to back that up? I would imagine instead
> that the GNU/Linux users of Skype is less than 2% of the total, as would be
> on par with the desktop market.
>

I did not in fact mean that half of skype users are Linux. What I meant was
that they probably did not want to alienate some percentage of their user
base out of the gate. No, I know better than to think that half the userbase
is running Linux...

--b

Re: So much for Skype.

[teddieeb]

Aaron Toponce said:


Thanks for hijacking the thread. Next time, fork it instead, and change the
subject line.

Thanks,



Awww, I'm just being playful, and the thread has been going in the direction of 
who uses what os for what; I don't think it was a hijack.

 But whatever, sorry for interrupting this all important topic...

People being aggressive the past few days.


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Re: So much for Skype.

[teddieeb]

In regards to the Mac vs. Windows vs. Linux/BSD Holy War,

 ...Not really on topic, but I got a chance to upgrade my Back|Track 4R2 
laptops to version 5 released a couple days ago. Very Exciting,  I tell you 
that's some Hot GNU on Linux Action there!

I run Back|Track on my laptops for War Driving, Penetration, Study, & Security 
Auditing. I run Debian Testing on my home 3TB file server...

Linux really slathers on the PwnSauce!

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Klistvud]

Dne, 12. 05. 2011 12:21:49 je Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. napisal(a):

In , Camaleón wrote:
>On Wed, 11 May 2011 23:24:30 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote:
>>>On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user  
states

 his/ her desire to keep a private conversation..."
>>>
>>>+1
>>>
>> -1
>>
>>>Unless the user states that it is a private email, or it is  
obviously

>>>discrete, the most expeditious thing is to forward it to the list.
>>>
>> It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the  
message to

>> be private or not.
>
>No, it is not.
>
>I am writing to a public mailing list and I expect that any reply to  
any

>of what I wrote on it is kept the same -public- and directed to the
>mailing list.
>
>So as I am not the one breaking the way a mailing list works, if I
>receive an e-mail _just directed to me_ (and not to the list)  
following a
>thread that is taking place in a public mailing list I can proceed  
as I

>prefer.

You can choose to break the Code of Conduct, yes.

However, the Code of Conduct is the expected behavior on the list.   
If you are
sent a message via private mail, the Code of Conduct says that you  
should not

quote it (in full or in part) in mails to the list, without explicit
permission.

>> Making the reply public and cause significant and
>> irreversible damage.  Whereas, keeping the reply private causes, at
>> most, temporary and reversible damage.
>
>Should the user wants to go private, he/she has to clearly state so  
in
>the message. If he/she does not, that's not my fault and I don't  
have a

>crystal ball to guess each user preferences on this matter.

This is seems to contradict your earlier statement (above) that it is  
not
"nearly impossible to infer" the senders intent, by implying one  
would need a

functional crystal ball in order to do so.

Since you don't have a crystal ball (i.e. find it nearly impossible  
to infer
the senders intent), you should take the action that results in the  
least harm
-- keep the reply private.  Failing that, you should follow the  
established

Code of Conduct for the list -- keep the reply private.

You can chose not to conduct yourself as expected for the list, but  
it would

not be appreciated.

If you'd like to change the Code of Conduct to align with your  
desires, I
think you should take the issue up with the list masters.  I am  
willing to
discuss the issue further, but I think you'll find convincing me that  
your
behavior is in line with the Code of Conduct is an unlikely  
proposition.  Even
if I were to be convinced that your behavior should be sanctioned (or  
at least
tolerated) by the Code of Conduct, I am not in a position to change  
it.

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+1

a) the Code of Conduct is perfecty clear on the point;
b) I fully agree with the principle of the-lesser-harm too; an  
important principle in interpersonal and public relations;
c) the *fact* of going private is indication enough of the person's  
intention -- but even if we don't see it that way, we should respect  
the fact alone. Making assumptions as to their reasons for going  
private, or even going as far as to imply that they don't have a clue  
how this list (or their mail client) should be used -- and "chastising"  
them by posting back to the public list -- may come across as impolite  
at best and preposterously condescending at worst. If it *was* a  
blunder on their part, let them be the judge of that, OK? As you say,



It is easy enough to
prompt the sender to use the list for future correspondence and  
simultaneously
give you permissions for your private message to be quoted in a  
public forum.


A perfectly sane *and polite* way to go.

That said, I must admit that up till now I've generally posted  
privately received messages back onto the list... I see that as a  
mistake now. I did it, at least in part, out of irritation because I  
saw it as a disrespect toward my signature which clearly states I don't  
want to be messaged privately. In line with the above, I apologize to  
anybody concerned for doing that in the past. That behavior is about to  
change.


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Re: So much for Skype.

[Miles Fidelman]

Jamie Thompson wrote:

You can't deny that when it comes to home users, the majority of Linux
users are technical users, and the majority of Windows and Mac users are
not. There are always exceptions; some people's relatives like and can
deal with Linux (great!), and likewise, some techies like Macs, or
Windows. But the majority of Mac and Windows users are plain old
peck-typing email, web, and basic document editing users.
   


Not completely sure I agree with you - particularly when you consider 
the business world.


Lots of companies mandate (and provide) Windows machines - to techies 
and non-techies alike.  Universities pretty much require that students 
run either Windows or Macs.


A LOT of technical users, in the business and academic worlds, like Macs 
(such as myself):
- access to MS Word and Powerpoint (pretty much a requirement in many 
communities)
- all the power of Unix (BSD/mach kernal) underneath - for those of us 
who need to run servers, develop code, etc.

- nice hardware and support (can't beat AppleCare)
- a lot of scientific visualization software

And then there are all the creative folks - Macs seem to be the platform 
of choice for photo, audio, and video editing (which get fairly technical).


Mac laptop, plus Linux servers is a pretty powerful and common 
combination (again, that's what I run).





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Re: So much for Skype.

[Jamie Thompson]

On 2011-05-11 5:05 PM, Γαβριήλ Τασιόπουλος wrote:
>> The problem with social software is that you need to support the
>> platforms non-technical users are using. That inevitably means Windows
>> and Macs.
> 
> I use a mac and I'd like to think I'm a "technical user". Isolating
> Linux users from the rest of the computer users as more technical and
> specialized is one of the reasons clients for mainstream services are
> not developed for linux.

Perhaps, but the fact is I installed Debian on my parents PC when their
old XP install died (with install discs and keys nowhere to be found),
showed them how to use it, and what happened? My old man went out and
bought a laptop so he could use XP again. I failed with him. My mother
is fine with Linux though.

You can't deny that when it comes to home users, the majority of Linux
users are technical users, and the majority of Windows and Mac users are
not. There are always exceptions; some people's relatives like and can
deal with Linux (great!), and likewise, some techies like Macs, or
Windows. But the majority of Mac and Windows users are plain old
peck-typing email, web, and basic document editing users.

> I've not found a
>> decent SIP client yet, let alone a "normal" user with a SIP account to
>> call them with.
> 
> I've been using Zoiper to setup remote Computer Based call centers
> over openvpn and it seems to work perfectly.

I personally use Sipgate for VoIP with a couple of technical friends
using my Nokia mobile phones as clients (because, as I say, I can find
no decent clients for Windows), but the point stands - unless I have
other users also using a protocol, it's not an option - hence my love of
the transport system XMPP employs.

- Jamie


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Chris Brennan]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:16 AM,   wrote:

+20
>
> Oh and as far as that thing I said about having Cred, Camaleón assist more
> people on this list than just about anyone, so he's got Cred.
>
> Pick your battles a bit wiser.
>
> TeddyB
>


I have tried (rather well) to steer clear of this thread, although I have
read it with mild enthusiasm.  Camaleón and Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. both
appear on this list a lot, I would go as far as to say (just for the sake of
argument) that they equally help people, in their own ways, based on their
own opinions and experiences. I can't help but notice that both Camaleón and
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. also remind me of Jack Lemon and Walter Matthau in
the Odd Couple, strong willed and opinionated individuals who fight,
bitterly about anything they can, I get that impression here that you are
this lists version of the Odd Couple ... so shake hands, agree to disagree
and let this thread die, it's starting to get old now.

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> >Q: Are you sure?
> >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
> >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?

Re: specific kernel configuration for graphic card driver

[Panayiotis Karabassis]

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Hi!

Regarding the segmentation fault, if it is due to the ATI driver, this
is beyond me, you'll probably have to contact ATI.

Now about the aticonfig error:
(a) FGLRX driver version 11-5 was released a few days ago, and it
explicitly supports your card. I'll try to package it today or tomorrow
and send you a download link.
(b) As a second option, you can try manually configuring /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
(c) FGLRX 11-4 is in Debian sid. Repackaging it should be easy.

I'll go for option (a) and, if that fails, option (c).

- -- 
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Panayiotis Karabassis
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Re: Which WLAN driver to use?

[Brian]

On Thu 12 May 2011 at 14:20:43 +0200, Elias Diem wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I installed Debian 6 on my HP Pavilion Netbook. Unfortunately the WiFi Card is
> not working.  I plan to install a driver manually but don't know which driver
> to grab.
> 
> lspci -vv tells me
> 
> 02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 539f

http://srikrishnadas.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/wi-fi-on-hp-dm1/

might help.


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Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Simon Hoerder]

Jochen Schulz wrote:
[...]

Since you still have a bootable operating system, you may try the hint
at .


After taking a second look at Sven's link after lunch I discovered 
similar hints there as well. These hints helped to some degree - now the 
boot works again but when the xserver starts something breaks (probably 
related to the propietary NVidia driver).



C) How can I prevent getting unstable packages into my system in the
   future?


Don't add sid to your sources.list. :) And if you do: use pinning or set
your default distribution in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90local (man apt.conf,
Default-Release).

J.


That's good to know, thanks. :-)

Is there an easy way to remove all unstable packages? Otherwise I don't 
worry too much about the xserver issue and reinstall.


Many thanks for the help.

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Which WLAN driver to use?

[Elias Diem]

Hi all,

I installed Debian 6 on my HP Pavilion Netbook. Unfortunately the WiFi Card is
not working.  I plan to install a driver manually but don't know which driver
to grab.

lspci -vv tells me

02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 539f
Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 1637
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- 

among other things. It only tells the number 539f. Does anybody have a
suggestion which driver to use?

Thanks Elias



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Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Jochen Schulz]

Simon Hoerder:
> 
> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib

That line points to unstable, aka "sid". Sid is the permanent alias for
the unstable distribution, unlike the rolling aliases for testing and
stable.

> Assuming Sven is correct:
> B) Am I correct that the easiest way to return to a stable installation
>is a reinstall?

Since you still have a bootable operating system, you may try the hint
at .

> C) How can I prevent getting unstable packages into my system in the
>future?

Don't add sid to your sources.list. :) And if you do: use pinning or set
your default distribution in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90local (man apt.conf,
Default-Release).

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RE: Boot problem after crashed update

[Eccles, David]

From: Simon Hoerder [mailto:si...@hoerder.net]
> 1) This morning, I did the same (what the package manager calls a "safe"
> update, no packages where removed or installed) but in between the
>update crashed the system.
> ...
> udevd[58]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not writable, for now 
> falling back to '/dev/.udev'
> run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory
> [  4.515687] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!

This sounds very similar to the problem I've had. Not quite sure how I should
be reporting it, but here's my attempt at a bug report:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626479

David Eccles (gringer)


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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

[Heddle Weaver]

On 12 May 2011 21:25, Charles Blair  wrote:

>   Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
> the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:
>
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free
>

Hello Charles,

You can do all this on the one line, as in:

deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free

Then do:
Update
Safe-upgrade

You will have to ensure that you have saved the changes after editing the
file, also, otherwise it will simply revert to it's former state, which is
what sounds like is happening.


>
>   but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.
>
>   The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
> for emacs.
>

I don't know about this as I'm one of the lucky ones that uses Vim, but I
should suspect that those should be in main anyway?
Regards,

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[teddieeb]

Camaleón said:

>
> It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message to
> be private or not.

No, it is not.

I am writing to a public mailing list and I expect that any reply to any
of what I wrote on it is kept the same -public- and directed to the
mailing list.

So as I am not the one breaking the way a mailing list works, if I
receive an e-mail _just directed to me_ (and not to the list) following a
thread that is taking place in a public mailing list I can proceed as I
prefer.



+20

Oh and as far as that thing I said about having Cred, Camaleón assist more 
people on this list than just about anyone, so he's got Cred.

Pick your battles a bit wiser.

TeddyB

Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Simon Hoerder]

Sorry, meant to send it to the list, not just to Jochen.

Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> I made a fresh install of debian squeeze just after its release and
>> dutifully installed the updates suggested by the package manager
>> whenever necessary.
>
> What's the content of your sources.list?

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze contrib non-free main
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free contrib main
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free contrib main 
#Added by software-properties

deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free 
#Added by software-properties

deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free
deb file:/backup/Debian/DVD_1/ squeeze contrib main
deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates contrib non-free main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates contrib non-free main
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib
deb http://deb.opera.com/opera squeeze non-free

>
>> 2) The only thing that worked was switching between x (ctrl+alt+f7) and
>>the terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) but I couldn't log in to the terminal;
>>instead I got some error messages about init (or initsomething -
>>unfortunately I do not remember anymore) spawning to much and
>>something (it wasn't being clear what) being delayed/suppressed for 5
>>minutes.
>
> The exact error message might have helped in identifying the issue.

I know. :-( Kicking my buttocks already for assuming "oh it'll be ok" 
and switching off.


>> 4) When I booted the laptop at work, it crashed soon after grub, the
>>rror message being:
>>
>> udevd[58]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not writable, for
>> now falling back to '/dev/.udev'
>
> That looks like you are actually running testing or unstable. A similar
> issue has hit my sid machein recently. Descriptions of the problem and
> solutions have been discussed here.

I tried not to use unstable but having switched from SuSE recently I 
must have failed at that. I noticed that the package manager suggested 
some unstable packages to me when it insisted on removing the 
proprietary NVidia drivers and replace it with an unstable open solution 
but I avoided that by performing only the "safe" updates. (The 
propietary worked a lot better than the open one.)
I never figured out how those unstable packages got into the package 
manager in the first place as I didn't see unstable being listed in 
sources.list.


>> run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory
>
> Ouch. Can you confirm that /sbin/init still exists on your root
> filesystem? You mentioned that you have another distro on the same
> machine, so you can use that to inspect the filesystem. I'd do an fsck,
> too.

Yes. I checked it with the other distro and the rescue system shell 
before writing my mail.


>> 7) I then tried to run the rescue system from the debian installation
>>dvd:
>>- Executing a shell in /dev/sda3 (my root) fails without any
>>  meaningful error message.
>
> If it doesn't mean anything to you, it still may mean something to us.
> :)
>
> J.

It says exactly nothing. It just returns to the previous selection 
screen. The following

>>- reinstalling grub into the MBR fails without any meaningful error
>>  message.
says at least:
 "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed.
  This is a fatal error."
--> Continue
 "The rescue operation 'grub-reinstall' failed with exit code 1."
(Nothing else.)

Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2011-05-12 12:53 +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
[...]
>
> I suspect that Simon has upgraded libc6 to 2.13-3 and got hit by bug
> #626450¹ (sometimes unstable actually deserves its name…).
>
> Sven
>
>
> ¹ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626450
>
>

I have libc-2.13.so in '/lib'.
A) How can I check whether I accidentially updated to 2.13-3 from the
   rescue system or the other distro?
Assuming Sven is correct:
B) Am I correct that the easiest way to return to a stable installation
   is a reinstall?
C) How can I prevent getting unstable packages into my system in the
   future? Is there a configuration option or so? (Basically I have no
   interest in using unstable software.)

Thanks, Simon
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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

[Matt Harrison]

On 5/12/11, Charles Blair  wrote:
>Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
> the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:
>
>> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main
>> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free
>
>but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.
>
>The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
> for emacs.
>
>
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Not sure if this will help or not, but have you tried putting it all
in the same line:

> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main non-free

then make sure to:
> aptitude update

after you make the changes


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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

[Axel Freyn]

Hi Charles,
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 06:25:53AM -0500, Charles Blair wrote:
>Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
> the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:
> 
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main 
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free
> 
>but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.
> 
>The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
> for emacs.
Did you run a "aptitude update" after the change, in order to ask
aptitude to reload the lists? If not, you can't see the non-free stuff..

Axel


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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

[Alex Mestiashvili]

On 05/12/2011 01:25 PM, Charles Blair wrote:

Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:

   

deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main
deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free
 

deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free



but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.

The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
for emacs.


   

Alex


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Re: Tracing Filesystem Accesses

[Miles Fidelman]

Rainer Dorsch wrote:

Is there a way to trace all accesses to a directory tree (e.g. /mnt/disk) ?

Is there another way to find out which data are accessed and if possible by
which process?
   


for files that are kept open by particular processes, you might play 
with fuser and lsof (see man pages)


you could try setting /proc/sys/vm/block_dump to 1 - which will log 
every disk access to syslog (see
http://sprocket.io/blog/2006/05/monitoring-filesystem-activity-under-linux-with-block_dump/) 
- though I expect auditd (as someone else suggested) would be less painful


I also seem to recall that there's something in the /proc filesystem 
that provides a running list of file operations


take a look at iwatch - that might be exactly what you want (haven't 
played with it myself) - see

http://prefetch.net/blog/index.php/2009/02/28/monitoring-file-activity-on-linux-hosts/

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Access to non-free from aptitude?

[Charles Blair]

   Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:

> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main 
> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free

   but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.

   The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
for emacs.


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Re: Booting a USB hard drive

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 May 2011 15:30:22 -0700, Peter Bonucci wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:04:48 pm Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, I've carefully read all of your tests, so let's recap:
>> 
>> - SGD (1.98x) cannot detect the USB drive (¿?) 
>> - SGD (0.99x) can detect the USB drive 
>> - GRUB is installed into the MBR of the USB disk 
>> - The Partition where GRUB is stored is marked as booteable
>> 
>> I still don't know what is preventing the "true" GRUB (the installed
>> one) from booting but you can try to boot Debian directly with SDG (the
>> version that detects the disk, that is, v. 0.99x) and see what happens.
>> 
> 
> I agree with your recap.
> 
> When I run SGD 0.9799,

Wait... I missed this.

SGD 0.9799 is only "GRUB legacy" aware, which means that can only deal 
with GRUB legacy installations, AFAIK.

Did you installed GRUB 2 or GRUB legacy into the USB hard disk?

- If you installed GRUB legacy you have to use SGD 0.97xx to try to boot 
from there

- If you installed GRUB 2 you have to use SDG 1.98xx

>   I select Boot & Tools /
>   Boot Master Boot Record (MBR) /
>   Boot Master Boot Record (MBR)
> SGD lists two drives, (hd0), the laptop hard disk and (hd1) the USB
> drive. I select (hd1) and SGD displays: "Error 25: Disk Read Error"
   ^

(...)

I don't like that error :-/

***
25 : Disk read error
This error is returned if there is a disk read error when trying to probe 
or read data from a particular disk. 
***

But you can try with another menu option: "GNU/Linux → Boot GNU 
Linux" (or Boot GNU Linux directly).

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Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Simon Hoerder]

Eccles, David wrote:

From: Simon Hoerder [mailto:si...@hoerder.net]

1) This morning, I did the same (what the package manager calls a "safe"
update, no packages where removed or installed) but in between the
   update crashed the system.
...
udevd[58]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not writable, for now 
falling back to '/dev/.udev'

run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory
[  4.515687] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!


This sounds very similar to the problem I've had. Not quite sure how I should
be reporting it, but here's my attempt at a bug report:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626479

David Eccles (gringer)



Hi David,

seems you upgraded libc to 2.13-3 as Sven just pointed out ( 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626450). :-) At least 
you got the output from the update - my screensaver had turned on but 
couldn't be turned off anymore so I didn't see anything except the 
little bit I reported.


Cheers, Simon

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Re: Tracing Filesystem Accesses

[Alex Mestiashvili]

On 05/12/2011 12:19 PM, Rainer Dorsch wrote:

Hello,

I added an SSD in my system and moved the root filesystem to the SSD (which
includes now also most of /home in my system). I spin down the regular hard
disks and the system is a lot more quiet than before :-)

Sometimes though something is accessing data on the disk drives, which I do
not understand.

Is there a way to trace all accesses to a directory tree (e.g. /mnt/disk) ?
   

to be honest I've never used it , but manual page looks promising

inotify - inotify-tools

  inotifywatch -v -e access -e modify -t 60 -r /proc

Is there another way to find out which data are accessed and if possible by
which process?

Thanks,
Rainer

   

may be one of this tools :
iotop ,

lsof | grep /mnt/disk


Regards ,
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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 05:49:53 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> In , Camaleón wrote:
>>On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:11:47 -0400, PMA wrote:
>>> Camaleón wrote:
 On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> Lisi wrote:
> "Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in
> private mail, unless agreed beforehand."
 
 IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states
 his/ her desire to keep a private conversation..."
>>> 
>>> It's hard to see a humble opinion ("IMHO") in this, flatly denying the
>>> rule.
>>
>>Said the user that replied in a "top-posting" styled format -that I had
>>to correct- while flagrantgly bypassing the last two points of the said
>>rules.
> 
> While many people on the list do prefer a well-trimmed post using the
> interleaved reply style, including myself, it is not part of the Code of
> Conduct for the list.

It seems nobody cares much about the last two points of The Code or it's 
just maybe people only read the points that interest them :-)
 
> There are certain advantages to the top-posting style, but I think few
> are relevant for this type of mailing list.  It's almost impossible to
> defend a full-quoted message on this list, since it is publicly
> archived.  Still, posting style is not covered by the Code of Conduct.

Advantages for using top-posting style in a maling list? I don't see (and 
I'm not aware) any.

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Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-05-12 12:53 +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:

>> udevd[58]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not writable, for
>> now falling back to '/dev/.udev'
>
> That looks like you are actually running testing or unstable.

FWIW, the error message has not been present in udev versions before
168, and that version is only in unstable.

> A similar
> issue has hit my sid machein recently. Descriptions of the problem and
> solutions have been discussed here.

The best thing is to ignore the udev error message, it's actually
harmless. 

>> run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory
>
> Ouch. Can you confirm that /sbin/init still exists on your root
> filesystem? You mentioned that you have another distro on the same
> machine, so you can use that to inspect the filesystem. I'd do an fsck,
> too.
>
>> 7) I then tried to run the rescue system from the debian installation
>>dvd:
>>- Executing a shell in /dev/sda3 (my root) fails without any
>>  meaningful error message.
>
> If it doesn't mean anything to you, it still may mean something to us.

I suspect that Simon has upgraded libc6 to 2.13-3 and got hit by bug
#626450¹ (sometimes unstable actually deserves its name…).

Sven


¹ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626450


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 05:21:49 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> In , Camaleón wrote:

>>> It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message
>>> to be private or not.
>>
>>No, it is not.
>>
>>I am writing to a public mailing list and I expect that any reply to any
>>of what I wrote on it is kept the same -public- and directed to the
>>mailing list.
>>
>>So as I am not the one breaking the way a mailing list works, if I
>>receive an e-mail _just directed to me_ (and not to the list) following
>>a thread that is taking place in a public mailing list I can proceed as
>>I prefer.
> 
> You can choose to break the Code of Conduct, yes.

I would prefer to improve it.

> However, the Code of Conduct is the expected behavior on the list.  If
> you are sent a message via private mail, the Code of Conduct says that
> you should not quote it (in full or in part) in mails to the list,
> without explicit permission.

Anything can be enhanced or reviewed and none of the current rules are a 
exception. Also, I think that concrete paragraph can lead to confusion.

For example, I read it it as if someone (i.e., a friend that is not even 
reading the mailing list nor knows nothing about Debian) sends me an e-
mail, it is not polite to quote his/her words unless we both agree on 
doing it because what goes to a mailing list is made public and gets 
filed for years.

>>> Making the reply public and cause significant and irreversible damage.
>>>  Whereas, keeping the reply private causes, at most, temporary and
>>> reversible damage.
>>
>>Should the user wants to go private, he/she has to clearly state so in
>>the message. If he/she does not, that's not my fault and I don't have a
>>crystal ball to guess each user preferences on this matter.
> 
> This is seems to contradict your earlier statement (above) that it is
> not "nearly impossible to infer" the senders intent, by implying one
> would need a functional crystal ball in order to do so.

In way it contradicts? I'm saying that it is plain easy for the user to 
express his desire to keep the conversation in private.

If the user would have made the things in a good way it should not be a 
problem at all and better yet, it is not needed to "guess" what are the 
user desires...

Sorry, but I don't write to a mailing list to run as a "clairvoyant".

> Since you don't have a crystal ball (i.e. find it nearly impossible to
> infer the senders intent), you should take the action that results in
> the least harm -- keep the reply private.  

And thus breaking the thread?

> Failing that, you should
> follow the established Code of Conduct for the list -- keep the reply
> private.

I wonder what happened with the last two statements of "The Code".
 
> You can chose not to conduct yourself as expected for the list, but it
> would not be appreciated.

I'm a long time user of mailing lists and know how to act on every 
ocassion (if I'd got a cent for every user that -mistakenly- replied to 
me instead to the list -and I'm not spaeking for this list but others...- 
I could have bought a new gigabit switch) :-). Thanks for the advice, 
though.

> If you'd like to change the Code of Conduct to align with your desires,
> I think you should take the issue up with the list masters.  I am
> willing to discuss the issue further, but I think you'll find convincing
> me that your behavior is in line with the Code of Conduct is an unlikely
> proposition.  Even if I were to be convinced that your behavior should
> be sanctioned (or at least tolerated) by the Code of Conduct, I am not
> in a position to change it.

I don't pretend to convince anyone to change his/her mind, I was just 
stating a netiquette rule -that I fully agree with- which applies for 
"almost" any mailing list I'm subscribed to. Should I think some of the 
points of the D-M need to be revised, I would open a bug report as I 
always do.

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Re: SATA Harddisk order in debian squeeze

[Markus Neviadomski]

Am 11.05.2011 03:22, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> On 5/10/2011 8:27 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:
>
 This is my mdadm.conf, using a UUID since a long time.
 saturn:/home/domski# cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
 DEVICE partitions
 ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=3 spares=1
 UUID=4105560e:bf03b97e:ba419cbc:b7000e73
 MAILADDR root
>>>
>>> If you were already using UUIDs then you need to take this up on the
>>> mdadm mailing list, not here, as the problem you actually have is not
>>> the one you originally described.
>>
>> Yes, now i think this is the right decision. My first attempt was to fix
>> the sda/sde apperance for sd-card, so mdadm.conf should configured with
>> sd* devices.
>
> I think what is confusing you is the same thing that inititally
> confused me, which is that the array has a UUID and each drive has a
> UUID.  There are very few examples of using drive UUIDs in place of
> /dev/XdX in mdadm.conf and on the command line.
>
> Again, you will get better help on the linux-raid mailing list:
> http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-raid
Yes you are right, that confused me.
But, short answer for a little problem. dkpg-reconfigure mdadm without
changing any setting solved the problem.

Why? Reading the manual shows me the difference between a mdraid started
by the mdadm-daemon and a specific raid started by initrd. My mdadm
settings shows that all md-raids are needed on system bootup. Thats not
really necessary, because all system files a stored on cfcard, but
anyone does this setting ;) These mdraids are started by initrd, which
also holds the config for them. It seems that this was a really old
config, so changing mdadm.conf was not successful. I initialised the
raid, added all lost devices, check the mdadm.conf to bee correct
andruns dpkg-reconfigure mdadm. This causes to generate a new initrd als
all was fine!

Thanks for help!



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Re: Tracing Filesystem Accesses

[Juha Tuuna]

On 12.5.2011 13:19, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I added an SSD in my system and moved the root filesystem to the SSD (which 
> includes now also most of /home in my system). I spin down the regular hard 
> disks and the system is a lot more quiet than before :-)
> 
> Sometimes though something is accessing data on the disk drives, which I do 
> not understand.
> 
> Is there a way to trace all accesses to a directory tree (e.g. /mnt/disk) ?
> 
> Is there another way to find out which data are accessed and if possible by 
> which process?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rainer

You could try installing auditd.
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/auditd

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Re: Boot problem after crashed update

[Jochen Schulz]

> I made a fresh install of debian squeeze just after its release and
> dutifully installed the updates suggested by the package manager
> whenever necessary.

What's the content of your sources.list?

> 2) The only thing that worked was switching between x (ctrl+alt+f7) and
>the terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) but I couldn't log in to the terminal;
>instead I got some error messages about init (or initsomething -
>unfortunately I do not remember anymore) spawning to much and
>something (it wasn't being clear what) being delayed/suppressed for 5
>minutes.

The exact error message might have helped in identifying the issue.

> 4) When I booted the laptop at work, it crashed soon after grub, the
>rror message being:
> 
> udevd[58]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not writable, for
> now falling back to '/dev/.udev'

That looks like you are actually running testing or unstable. A similar
issue has hit my sid machein recently. Descriptions of the problem and
solutions have been discussed here.

> run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory

Ouch. Can you confirm that /sbin/init still exists on your root
filesystem? You mentioned that you have another distro on the same
machine, so you can use that to inspect the filesystem. I'd do an fsck,
too.

> 7) I then tried to run the rescue system from the debian installation
>dvd:
>- Executing a shell in /dev/sda3 (my root) fails without any
>  meaningful error message.

If it doesn't mean anything to you, it still may mean something to us.
:)

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Camaleón wrote:
>On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:11:47 -0400, PMA wrote:
>> Camaleón wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
 Lisi wrote:
 "Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in
 private mail, unless agreed beforehand."
>>> 
>>> IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states his/
>>> her desire to keep a private conversation..."
>> 
>> It's hard to see a humble opinion ("IMHO") in this, flatly denying the
>> rule.
>
>Said the user that replied in a "top-posting" styled format -that I had
>to correct- while flagrantgly bypassing the last two points of the said
>rules.

While many people on the list do prefer a well-trimmed post using the 
interleaved reply style, including myself, it is not part of the Code of 
Conduct for the list.

There are certain advantages to the top-posting style, but I think few are 
relevant for this type of mailing list.  It's almost impossible to defend a 
full-quoted message on this list, since it is publicly archived.  Still, 
posting style is not covered by the Code of Conduct.
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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:11:47 -0400, PMA wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
>>
>>> Lisi wrote:
>>> "Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in
>>> private mail, unless agreed beforehand."
>>
>> IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states his/
>> her desire to keep a private conversation..."

> It's hard to see a humble opinion ("IMHO") in this, flatly denying the
> rule.

Said the user that replied in a "top-posting" styled format -that I had 
to correct- while flagrantgly bypassing the last two points of the said 
rules.

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Boot problem after crashed update

[Simon Hoerder]

Hi,

I made a fresh install of debian squeeze just after its release and 
dutifully installed the updates suggested by the package manager 
whenever necessary.

1) This morning, I did the same (what the package manager calls a "safe"
   update, no packages where removed or installed) but in between the
   update crashed the system.
2) The only thing that worked was switching between x (ctrl+alt+f7) and
   the terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) but I couldn't log in to the terminal;
   instead I got some error messages about init (or initsomething -
   unfortunately I do not remember anymore) spawning to much and
   something (it wasn't being clear what) being delayed/suppressed for 5
   minutes.
3) After the 5 minutes the situation hadn't changed however and I had to
   get to work so I switched the laptop off. (ctrl+esc just produced an
   error message that /sbin/shutdown didn't work or was unavailable.)
4) When I booted the laptop at work, it crashed soon after grub, the
   rror message being:

udevd[58]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not writable, for now 
falling back to '/dev/.udev'

run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory
[  4.515687] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!

5) Booting the failsafe debian doesn't work either.
6) Booting my old SuSE works and all disks are mounted properly.
7) I then tried to run the rescue system from the debian installation
   dvd:
   - Executing a shell in /dev/sda3 (my root) fails without any
 meaningful error message.
   - Executing a shell in the installer environment succeeds with
 /dev/sda3 mounted in /target. But 'chroot /target' fails with the
 following error message:
chroot: can't execute '/bin/sh': No such file or directory
 However, ls -la /target/bin tells me that /target/bin/sh is a link
 to /target/bin/dash which exists and is writable and executable.
   - reinstalling grub into the MBR fails without any meaningful error
 message.
8) Using the shell from the installer system, I checked that
   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-5-amd64
   /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64
   exist where grub expects to find them.

I have some (limited) experience with linux but regarding the boot 
process I'm basically a complete novice. Unfortunately, I have no clue 
how to continue from here on. I have googled and found loads of bug 
reports for  boot problems but none seemed quite like mine and the tips 
given there weren't applicable or (e.g. "reinstall grub", run a "execute 
a rescue system shell on /") didn't work. (Given that I'm not sure how 
to diagnose the problem properly, I probably used the wrong google 
search terms.) All help appreciated.


My laptop is a Lenovo G550 with an Intel Core 2 Duop T6600 CPU. I have 
debian-6.0.1a-amd64 installed.


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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Camaleón wrote:
>On Wed, 11 May 2011 23:24:30 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote:
>>>On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states
 his/ her desire to keep a private conversation..."
>>>
>>>+1
>>>
>> -1
>> 
>>>Unless the user states that it is a private email, or it is obviously
>>>discrete, the most expeditious thing is to forward it to the list.
>>>
>> It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message to
>> be private or not.
>
>No, it is not.
>
>I am writing to a public mailing list and I expect that any reply to any
>of what I wrote on it is kept the same -public- and directed to the
>mailing list.
>
>So as I am not the one breaking the way a mailing list works, if I
>receive an e-mail _just directed to me_ (and not to the list) following a
>thread that is taking place in a public mailing list I can proceed as I
>prefer.

You can choose to break the Code of Conduct, yes.

However, the Code of Conduct is the expected behavior on the list.  If you are 
sent a message via private mail, the Code of Conduct says that you should not 
quote it (in full or in part) in mails to the list, without explicit 
permission.

>> Making the reply public and cause significant and
>> irreversible damage.  Whereas, keeping the reply private causes, at
>> most, temporary and reversible damage.
>
>Should the user wants to go private, he/she has to clearly state so in
>the message. If he/she does not, that's not my fault and I don't have a
>crystal ball to guess each user preferences on this matter.

This is seems to contradict your earlier statement (above) that it is not 
"nearly impossible to infer" the senders intent, by implying one would need a 
functional crystal ball in order to do so.

Since you don't have a crystal ball (i.e. find it nearly impossible to infer 
the senders intent), you should take the action that results in the least harm 
-- keep the reply private.  Failing that, you should follow the established 
Code of Conduct for the list -- keep the reply private.

You can chose not to conduct yourself as expected for the list, but it would 
not be appreciated.

If you'd like to change the Code of Conduct to align with your desires, I 
think you should take the issue up with the list masters.  I am willing to 
discuss the issue further, but I think you'll find convincing me that your 
behavior is in line with the Code of Conduct is an unlikely proposition.  Even 
if I were to be convinced that your behavior should be sanctioned (or at least 
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Re: [NOT SO BRIGHT UPDATE] Installing K3b installs HAL. Should I do it?

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 02:28:27 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:

> If you install Clamav after HAL was installed, a file /var/run/clamav/
> freshclam.pid is created with root:haldaemon group:owner permissions and
> the following error is generated after installation: "ERROR: Can't save
> PID to file /var/run/clamav/freshclam.pid: Permission denied"
> 
> But if you install Clamav on a fresh squeeze without HAL installed, the
> ownership of the same file is root:clamav instead, and Clamav does
> produce this error.

Report it.

HAL is still being installed so this can affect other people.

> While the problem is really a small one, one can always change the owner
> of the file, it shows that presence of HAL in the system might
> potentially be root of unpredictable problems since some apps are
> confused by its presence. And I can imagine that in some instances to
> find the problem of the kind could be quite time consuming.

That sounds a bit apocalyptic :-) 

I don't think so because in the end you can have problems with every 
single package installed on the system conflicting with specific parts of 
your setup.

> So, I'm not sure yet, but at least for now I probably would prefer to
> live without K3b. It's a pity though. It's a best burning app over
> there. I hope K3b developers would remove this dependency soon.

Again, HAL is being pulled as a hard requirement by many others packages, 
it's not K3B the only one that depends on it (for instance, "xfburn" also 
requires "hal").

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Tracing Filesystem Accesses

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hello,

I added an SSD in my system and moved the root filesystem to the SSD (which 
includes now also most of /home in my system). I spin down the regular hard 
disks and the system is a lot more quiet than before :-)

Sometimes though something is accessing data on the disk drives, which I do 
not understand.

Is there a way to trace all accesses to a directory tree (e.g. /mnt/disk) ?

Is there another way to find out which data are accessed and if possible by 
which process?

Thanks,
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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Markus Neviadomski]

Am 12.05.2011 11:53, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> On 5/12/2011 4:34 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:
>
>> You are right...but, read my first post. I wrote about 4-6 cores. This
>> is a typical sandy bridge system with core i7. No real server hardware,
>> but fast enough for the OP, when his Sempron is working until today!
>> 16GB Ram are possible and cheap enough for development countrys servers.
>
> The OP doesn't need more performance.  If so, he didn't state it here.
> He simply asked how to turn off the sleep mode.  He didn't ask how to
> fix his storage device issue.  It's probably safe to assume that the
> OP's storage device issues are due to reasons other than his skills as
> an SA.  Most likely, as we've seen this scenario before, he's stuck
> with a Sempron machine with only two small disks for 200 people
> because of a lack of funding.  If he had the funding, do you think
> he'd still be using such a machine as a server, even if it is adequate
> for his performance needs?
Nobody assumed that the op has performance issues. In the past, mostly
all issues with sempron systems are caused by partly broken mainboards
oper power supplies. His system description sounds like an old sempron,
not a new AM3-one. You may do trial&error which such a crappy system, i
offer an other solution. If the OP could not by hardware, he may write this.
>
> If I were him I'd likely find your comments a bit insulting, as you
> have implied he doesn't know how to manage his server upgrades or
> recover from a disk problem.  Again, note that he didn't ask for help
> with these basic issues that pretty much everyone on this list knows
> how to handle.
Knowledge about sleep mode is a basic knowledge, admins should have. 
The OP doesnt have these knowledge i thought. Maybe he needs help on
other topics too. A good supporter offer help not only for the problem,
the customer askes for.


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Re: [SOLVED] Installing K3b installs HAL. Should I do it?

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 00:07:36 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:

> Installed. So far no problems. :-)

Good.

> And BTW, why good old gnomebaker is not in squeeze repositories?  Where
> could I find it and would it work in squeeze?

Gnomebaker has been "deprecated" upstream in favour of Brasero, AFAICT.

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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Lisi]

On Thursday 12 May 2011 10:20:44 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> ~$20k can buy you a 2 socket 24 core AMD Magny Cours HP server with 32GB
> RAM, quad GbE ports, a 10 GbE PCIe x4/x8 NIC, LSI's top of the line PCIe
> x8 RAID HBA with 1GB BBWC and 2 SFF8088 SAS ports, two LSI 24 drive 2.5"
> chainable SAS enclosures w/ internal expanders and 48 SAS drives of
> 300GB capacity and 15k spindle speed.

There is an important omission in this statement.  The sentence should 
begin "In the USA.", as should any discussions by USA residents of the 
cost of hardware.

Not all of us can buy our hardware in the USA, even if we can afford the 
hardware, and prices outside the USA can be (in my experience usually are) 
significantly higher.

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Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 May 2011 23:24:30 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote:
>>On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote:

(...)
 
>>> IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: "Should a user states
>>> his/ her desire to keep a private conversation..."
>>
>>+1
> 
> -1
> 
>>Unless the user states that it is a private email, or it is obviously
>>discrete, the most expeditious thing is to forward it to the list.
> 
> It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message to
> be private or not.  

No, it is not.

I am writing to a public mailing list and I expect that any reply to any 
of what I wrote on it is kept the same -public- and directed to the 
mailing list.

So as I am not the one breaking the way a mailing list works, if I 
receive an e-mail _just directed to me_ (and not to the list) following a 
thread that is taking place in a public mailing list I can proceed as I 
prefer.

> Making the reply public and cause significant and
> irreversible damage.  Whereas, keeping the reply private causes, at
> most, temporary and reversible damage.

Should the user wants to go private, he/she has to clearly state so in 
the message. If he/she does not, that's not my fault and I don't have a 
crystal ball to guess each user preferences on this matter. 

> Replies to private messages should be kept private.  

Then you will finally break the nature and the easiness of the mailing 
list flow and put extra job on the user who does not want to keep the 
thread in private. 

A mailing list is quite similar to the open source philosophy and by 
encouraging going private you are getting not getting any gain at all: I 
read and write into a mailing list because _I want to share_ things for 
all of us to benefit from it not to make a "vis-à-vis".

> It is easy enough
> to prompt the sender to use the list for future correspondence and
> simultaneously give you permissions for your private message to be
> quoted in a public forum.

Sure, but that's not my task.

I'm fine if someone asks me off-list about anything (I reply almost all 
of them) but something that is being discussed in a public thread should 
be kept public... unless (I repeat) the user explictly says he/she 
prefers to go off-list for whatever reason.

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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

[Lisi]

On Thursday 12 May 2011 10:29:20 Camaleón wrote:
> >> Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera
> >> site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?
> >
> > I have Opera 11.10 on Lenny here, and I can access and control all the
> > printer settings, including the choice between landscape and portrait
> > and the ability to set paper size. :-/
>
> What DE do you have installed?

It supports your hypothesis that Opera may need Qt.  I am running KDE 3.5.10.

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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 5/12/2011 4:34 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:


You are right...but, read my first post. I wrote about 4-6 cores. This
is a typical sandy bridge system with core i7. No real server hardware,
but fast enough for the OP, when his Sempron is working until today!
16GB Ram are possible and cheap enough for development countrys servers.


The OP doesn't need more performance.  If so, he didn't state it here. 
He simply asked how to turn off the sleep mode.  He didn't ask how to 
fix his storage device issue.  It's probably safe to assume that the 
OP's storage device issues are due to reasons other than his skills as 
an SA.  Most likely, as we've seen this scenario before, he's stuck with 
a Sempron machine with only two small disks for 200 people because of a 
lack of funding.  If he had the funding, do you think he'd still be 
using such a machine as a server, even if it is adequate for his 
performance needs?


If I were him I'd likely find your comments a bit insulting, as you have 
implied he doesn't know how to manage his server upgrades or recover 
from a disk problem.  Again, note that he didn't ask for help with these 
basic issues that pretty much everyone on this list knows how to handle.


The only hardware he apparently *needs* right now is a disk or two, not 
a new server.


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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Markus Neviadomski]

Am 12.05.2011 11:41, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> On 5/12/2011 4:23 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:
>> Am 12.05.2011 10:58, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
>
>> a new setup is the
>> best way with the fewest possible errors.
>
> It's becoming very clear you've not been in the SA game very long...
SA?
>
>>> Two mirrored would be better, so $400-1200 USD.  This would
>>> yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has now, and ~250MB/s
>>> bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.
>
>> Never use a single drive for important data. Dont tell this idea to
>> other people please!
>
> Apparently you don't read thoroughly either.  Note my words "Two
> mirrored" above.

"would be better" here means: maybe we can do this, but without its also
ok. 95% of all financial bosses will choose cheapest solution, and this
is often not the "better" solution.


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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 5/12/2011 4:23 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:

Am 12.05.2011 10:58, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:



a new setup is the
best way with the fewest possible errors.


It's becoming very clear you've not been in the SA game very long...


Two mirrored would be better, so $400-1200 USD.  This would
yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has now, and ~250MB/s
bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.



Never use a single drive for important data. Dont tell this idea to
other people please!


Apparently you don't read thoroughly either.  Note my words "Two 
mirrored" above.


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Re: No landscape option at Opera's printing settings

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 00:08:05 +0200, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:

> 11/05/2011 22:55, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> This is what I get:
>> 
>> http://picpaste.com/opera-printer-settings-aOLJEOA7.png
>> 
>>> Maybe this has something to do with using Opera in KDE vs Gnome, or
>>> the way the printer is set up ?
>> 
>> That can be the cause. AFAIK, Opera uses Qt for the printing settings
>> and this can be somehow broken in GNOME. I say this because I only
>> experience this problem within Opera :-?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Very different from what I get:
> 
> http://picpaste.com/opera_print-SYxRbTI7.png
> 
> The right window appears when using the "properties" button.

I see. Then sure it has to be something related to Opera using Qt 
libraries for their printing module:

http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/481/

I cannot find another explanation :-?

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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Markus Neviadomski]

Am 12.05.2011 11:20, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> On 5/12/2011 3:29 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:
>
>> And the costs of hardware could be igored, if you have to recover broken
>> or lost data w/o raid or backup!
>
> This typically holds true in the US where the total cost of labor is
> far greater than hardware.  This is definitely not the case in
> 'developing' countries, where the acquisition cost of a single tier 1
> server may very well be greater than an SA's yearly salary.
>
I know about that. But lost data couldnt be recovered, only rewritten.
There admin costs will get zero, if 200 users has to be rewrite all
there documents. The admin will need a grave!

> ~$20k can buy you a 2 socket 24 core AMD Magny Cours HP server with
> 32GB RAM, quad GbE ports, a 10 GbE PCIe x4/x8 NIC, LSI's top of the
> line PCIe x8 RAID HBA with 1GB BBWC and 2 SFF8088 SAS ports, two LSI
> 24 drive 2.5" chainable SAS enclosures w/ internal expanders and 48
> SAS drives of 300GB capacity and 15k spindle speed.

You are right...but, read my first post. I wrote about 4-6 cores. This
is a typical sandy bridge system with core i7. No real server hardware,
but fast enough for the OP, when his Sempron is working until today!
16GB Ram are possible and cheap enough for development countrys servers.

>
> The cost of this system, in many parts of the world, may be double (or
> more) the yearly salary of the SA managing it.  In the US this
> system's price tag will equal about 1/4 to 1/6th the SA's total yearly
> compensation package, depending on the SA's state/city.
>


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Re: Spam

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:10:31 -0700
Robert Holtzman  wrote:

Hello Robert,

> I'll give it a try,thanks. Is it as effective as SA?

At least, yes.  Make sure you train it plenty of good (ham) messages as
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Re: Problem with Konquerer on one site

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 May 2011 22:44:01 +0100, Lisi wrote:

> On Wednesday 11 May 2011 21:03:35 Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> Let me check this on wheezy and Opera 11.10 downloaded from the Opera
>> site... hum, yes, you are right, it is disabled :-?
> 
> I have Opera 11.10 on Lenny here, and I can access and control all the
> printer settings, including the choice between landscape and portrait
> and the ability to set paper size. :-/

What DE do you have installed?

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Re: No landscape option at Opera's printing settings

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 May 2011 17:31:04 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:

> On 05/11/2011 04:55 PM, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> This is what I get:
>>
>> http://picpaste.com/opera-printer-settings-aOLJEOA7.png
> 
> I found that the tabs differ for different printers.  Here is what my
> HP6P printer shows.
> 
> http://picpaste.com/del/NbJyw2sO/Opera-Print_Setup-Ni8yC7R3.png

This link is better:

http://picpaste.com/Opera-Print_Setup-Ni8yC7R3.png

Yes, and that's the expected.

I have two different printers setup in CUPS and each of them provide 
different options because of the printer's own capabilities and even the 
driver in use :-)

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Re: So much for Skype.

[Chris Davies]

peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> A POTS gateway is available from any of several companies.

The cheapest dial-out for my calling pattern is smslisto.com. Seems pretty
good for US and Western Europe (including UK). I haven't compared rates
for other countries, but as soon as you start searching around you'll find
a fair chunk of discussion and a number of helpful comparison sites. Very
little customer service but pretty reliable (backed by Finarea, a large
Swiss telecoms company).

In my case I also use sipgate.co.uk for providing a UK number for dial-in,
and some dial-out. Excellent customer service but the rates are not as
good. (Customer Service costs real money, so that's clearly a trade-off.)

[No relationship to either company other than as satisfied customer]

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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Markus Neviadomski]

Am 12.05.2011 10:58, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> On 5/12/2011 2:14 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
>> RAM as file server for 200 users? No...
>>
>> Buy a new hardware with 4 or 6 cores, 16GB RAM and a raid controller and
>> some disks. Then copy your data from the old system on the new raid
>> system and everything is fine.
>
> You didn't answer the OP's question.  

I did. The OP should get a hardware without errors (its the best time to
upgrade the hardware to a new one, but any old one is also ok) and do a
correct data recovery from his old disks to a new raid system. He has
200 users  behind his server. Nobody could do any work until the OP is
testing some BIOS settings or system configs without sleep mode,
recovering the file system and so on. Because of his question, the OP is
not very confident dealing with hard- and software, a new setup is the
best way with the fewest possible errors.


> And your upgrade recommendation is complete overkill.  A modern ~2Ghz
> Sempron can easily saturate a GbE pipe without using jumbo frames. 
> 1GB of RAM is plenty for serving 200 office environment Samba
> clients--512MB would even be sufficient.  If he's lacking performance
> it's due to insufficient head seeks bandwidth.  He didn't mention a
> capacity shortage and he currently has ~250GB of disk.  A single 250GB
> SSD would solve that problem instantly for $400-600 USD with an MLC
> drive.  Two mirrored would be better, so $400-1200 USD.  This would
> yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has now, and ~250MB/s
> bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.

Never use a single drive for important data. Dont tell this idea to
other people please!

>
>


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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 5/12/2011 3:29 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:


And the costs of hardware could be igored, if you have to recover broken
or lost data w/o raid or backup!


This typically holds true in the US where the total cost of labor is far 
greater than hardware.  This is definitely not the case in 'developing' 
countries, where the acquisition cost of a single tier 1 server may very 
well be greater than an SA's yearly salary.


~$20k can buy you a 2 socket 24 core AMD Magny Cours HP server with 32GB 
RAM, quad GbE ports, a 10 GbE PCIe x4/x8 NIC, LSI's top of the line PCIe 
x8 RAID HBA with 1GB BBWC and 2 SFF8088 SAS ports, two LSI 24 drive 2.5" 
chainable SAS enclosures w/ internal expanders and 48 SAS drives of 
300GB capacity and 15k spindle speed.


The cost of this system, in many parts of the world, may be double (or 
more) the yearly salary of the SA managing it.  In the US this system's 
price tag will equal about 1/4 to 1/6th the SA's total yearly 
compensation package, depending on the SA's state/city.


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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 5/12/2011 2:14 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:

Hi,

Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
RAM as file server for 200 users? No...

Buy a new hardware with 4 or 6 cores, 16GB RAM and a raid controller and
some disks. Then copy your data from the old system on the new raid
system and everything is fine.


You didn't answer the OP's question.  And your upgrade recommendation is 
complete overkill.  A modern ~2Ghz Sempron can easily saturate a GbE 
pipe without using jumbo frames.  1GB of RAM is plenty for serving 200 
office environment Samba clients--512MB would even be sufficient.  If 
he's lacking performance it's due to insufficient head seeks bandwidth. 
 He didn't mention a capacity shortage and he currently has ~250GB of 
disk.  A single 250GB SSD would solve that problem instantly for 
$400-600 USD with an MLC drive.  Two mirrored would be better, so 
$400-1200 USD.  This would yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has 
now, and ~250MB/s bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.




Am 12.05.2011 04:17, schrieb Aldyth Maharsha:

Hi list i'm sorry if my english too bad :-)

I'm using debian squeeze 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP running in machine AMD
Sempron(tm)   2800+ with 1GB DDR
I'm having trouble, my debian squeeze i'm using for samba file sharing
and 200 user access that. My user using server for data sharing, myob,
etc.
My trouble is my server like "sleep" and if it's sleep i cannot ping,
ssh and anything from another computer, to "wakeup" my server i must
hit any button in the keyboard(server keyboard) and i can ping again
and after 10-15 minutes it is sleep again. I'm using two harddisk,
80GB(system and home partition but system and home partition located
at different partition), 160GB(user data sharing like office file,
accounting file).

At second harddisk(160GB) have partition error but i can't using fsck
because if i'm running fsck force it is can delete the important data
because my backup server not running(down) and i must backup manually.
My log file like syslog and kern.log did not show any error, it is
running like my system is normal, i'm check with lsof +D /var/log my
ryslogd runs well. My question is what causes my debian squeeze act
like it?, i'm using debian from sarge, etch, lenny and i have never
encountered this problem and i'm believe debian still best linux
distribution i'm ever have..:-)

Any idea list?, thanks before for helping


Yes.  Turn off all power saving features in the system BIOS.  A headless 
installation has no power saving by default AFAIK, so apparently you're 
running a GUI desktop.  Find the power management application in one of 
the control panels and disable all power saving features.  They only 
cause headaches on servers, as you've discovered.  Unless you truly 
*need* a GUI on your server console, get rid of it.  If you need a GUI 
to manage a Linux server then I'd say you really need to sharpen your 
admin skill set.


Best of luck.

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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Markus Neviadomski]

Am 12.05.2011 09:40, schrieb Thierry Chatelet:
> On Thursday 12 May 2011 09:14:48 Markus Neviadomski wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
>> RAM as file server for 200 users? No...
>>
>> Buy a new hardware with 4 or 6 cores, 16GB RAM and a raid controller and
>> some disks. Then copy your data from the old system on the new raid
>> system and everything is fine.
>>
> Big help you are giving here! Maybe money is not the most common thing in 
> Aldyth's country, and resources are used to their last extend.

He wrote something about a partly broken harddisk or file system.
However, he has to buy some new disks. And by that, he could establish a
small software raid or use the big solution, a hardware raid controller.
Fileserver w/o backup and w/o working raid cause sleepless nights.

And the costs of hardware could be igored, if you have to recover broken
or lost data w/o raid or backup!

regards,
Markus
> So, Aldyth, are you running any desktop like kde, gnome? On my pc kde power 
> managment set up itself by default to put everything to sleep after some 
> time. 
> I had to reset everything to previous setting. By the way, I think there is 
> way 
> for reporting a bug against powermanagment because it reset the settings 
> every 
> time it is updated.
> Thierry
>
>


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Re: How to boot netinst CD from Toshiba Satellite 650?

[Jeroen van Aart]

Jeroen van Aart wrote:

Charles Blair wrote:

   Pressing F2 at the beginning gives me a menu, but I didn't



   Bonus question: I should be using AMD-64 netinst, right?


Looks like that laptop has a 64 bits CPU. You can use both 32 and 64 


Actually if you use the laptop for a lot of streaming media it may be 
worthwhile to install 32 bits debian. This is because the some of 64 
bits codecs don't work very well whereas the 32 bits ones work fine.


It's one of the reasons I keep a 32 bits x86 system around and I have 
yet to find a satisfying solution.


I am refering to packages such as:

apt-cache policy w64codecs
w64codecs:
  Installed: 1:20071007-0.5
  Candidate: 1:20071007-0.5
  Version table:
 *** 1:20071007-0.5 0
500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze/non-free amd64 
Packages

100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


So it's not part of debian proper I guess.

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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Jeroen van Aart]

Markus Neviadomski wrote:

Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
RAM as file server for 200 users? No...


I think a 2800 Sempron will have no trouble serving files, even to 200 
people. Unless they all simultaneously started copying 10+ GB of data 
around on the server itself. But in my experience typical file server 
activity is sporadic with occasional bursts.


Besides the bottleneck with a file server normally is not CPU 
performance but network performance. You'd likely saturate the network 
bandwidth before you'd ever hog the CPU.



Am 12.05.2011 04:17, schrieb Aldyth Maharsha:

My trouble is my server like "sleep" and if it's sleep i cannot ping,
ssh and anything from another computer, to "wakeup" my server i must


Sounds like you have some power manager that's configured to put the 
system to sleep. I assume you have some desktop environment running on 
it. Try to access its power management configuration editor and turn off 
anything that makes it sleep after a certain time.


In gnome it's called "power management" in the 
debian->system->preferences menu.


Greetings,
Jeroen

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Fwd: dpkg died.

[shawn wilson]

grrr, for the list :)


-- Forwarded message --
From: shawn wilson 
Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: dpkg died.
To: Magicloud Magiclouds 


On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Magicloud Magiclouds
 wrote:
> Hi,
>  Today I installed a third party .dpkg file, which failed due to
> unmet dependencies.
>  Then I tried to remove it, or install the dependencies by aptitude.
> Well, dpkg database seemed to be interrupted.
>  For example, when I tried to remove, I got:
>
> dpkg: error processing navalplan (--remove):
>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
> configured to not write apport reports
>                                      Errors were encountered while processing:
>  navalplan
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
>
>  How to resolve this?
>

i would go through this:
apt-get -f install (might fail)
dpkg --force-all --purge 

then, see if things get right:
apt-get -f install (should succeed)
apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade

... should be in a clean and fully up to date state :)


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Re: Weird filepath issues after updating to squeeze (php/apache/drupal)

[Reggie (Doug) Sayers]

After pulling my hair out for a few days I discovered that APC 3.1.8 is 
not fully compatible with PHP 5.3


To fix the problem I downgraded APC by "pecl install 
http://pecl.php.net/get/APC-3.1.6.tgz";


I hope this helps someone out there.  This probably also applies to 
people upgrading Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.4





On 05/07/2011 10:36 PM, Reggie (Doug) Sayers wrote:

"\xfbF"}e/www/htdocs/"
"\x87\x10R}e/www/htdocs/"
"\xefI\x91\xdde/www/htdocs/"

should be /home/www/htdocs

it's changing every time the page gets hit and the files aren't 
getting included. This was a working drupal install before I upgraded 
to squeeze.
I tried updating and reinstalling locales to see if that would fix it, 
no dice.

I tried to mv /home and then back, no dice.
I tried reinstalling php5 and apache, no dice.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.




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error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
(include_path='.:usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php:/home/www/htdocs:/home/www/htdocs/includes:/home/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules:/usr/share/php5/PEAR:') 
in 
\xfbF"}e/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules/opengraph_meta/opengraph_meta.module 
on line 3, referer: http://test.3blmedia.com/
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error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
(include_path='.:usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php:/home/www/htdocs:/home/www/htdocs/includes:/home/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules:/usr/share/php5/PEAR:') 
in 
\x87\x10R}e/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules/opengraph_meta/opengraph_meta.module 
on line 3
[Sat May 07 13:57:30 2011] [error] [client 71.192.28.116] PHP Fatal 
error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
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in 
\xefI\x91\xdde/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules/opengraph_meta/opengraph_meta.module 
on line 3, referer: 
http://test.3blmedia.com/admin/config/development/performance
[Sat May 07 13:57:31 2011] [error] [client 71.192.28.116] PHP Fatal 
error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
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in 
\xc7_\x91\xdde/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules/opengraph_meta/opengraph_meta.module 
on line 3
[Sat May 07 13:57:32 2011] [error] [client 71.192.28.116] PHP Fatal 
error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
(include_path='.:usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php:/home/www/htdocs:/home/www/htdocs/includes:/home/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules:/usr/share/php5/PEAR:') 
in 
{\xac\x90\xdde/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules/opengraph_meta/opengraph_meta.module 
on line 3
[Sat May 07 13:57:34 2011] [error] [client 71.192.28.116] PHP Fatal 
error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
(include_path='.:usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php:/home/www/htdocs:/home/www/htdocs/includes:/home/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules:/usr/share/php5/PEAR:') 
in 
{\xb2\x90\xdde/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules/opengraph_meta/opengraph_meta.module 
on line 3
[Sat May 07 13:57:36 2011] [error] [client 71.192.28.116] PHP Fatal 
error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
(include_path='.:usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php:/home/www/htdocs:/home/www/htdocs/includes:/home/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules:/usr/share/php5/PEAR:') 
in 
s\xb5\x01\xdde/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules/opengraph_meta/opengraph_meta.module 
on line 3
[Sat May 07 13:57:38 2011] [error] [client 71.192.28.116] PHP Fatal 
error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
(include_path='.:usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php:/home/www/htdocs:/home/www/htdocs/includes:/home/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules:/usr/share/php5/PEAR:') 
in 
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on line 3
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error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
(include_path='.:usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php:/home/www/htdocs:/home/www/htdocs/includes:/home/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules:/usr/share/php5/PEAR:') 
in 
\xbb\xe1\x90\xdde/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules/opengraph_meta/opengraph_meta.module 
on line 3
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error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 
'opengraph_meta.common.inc' 
(include_path='.:usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php:/home/www/htdocs:/home/www/htdocs/includes:/home/www/htdocs/sites/all/modules:/usr/share/php5/PEAR:') 
in 
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on line 3



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dpkg died.

[Magicloud Magiclouds]

Hi,
  Today I installed a third party .dpkg file, which failed due to
unmet dependencies.
  Then I tried to remove it, or install the dependencies by aptitude.
Well, dpkg database seemed to be interrupted.
  For example, when I tried to remove, I got:

dpkg: error processing navalplan (--remove):
 Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
 reinstall it before attempting a removal.
configured to not write apport reports
  Errors were encountered while processing:
 navalplan
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:

  How to resolve this?
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Re: Help About Squeeze

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Thursday 12 May 2011 09:14:48 Markus Neviadomski wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
> RAM as file server for 200 users? No...
> 
> Buy a new hardware with 4 or 6 cores, 16GB RAM and a raid controller and
> some disks. Then copy your data from the old system on the new raid
> system and everything is fine.
> 

Big help you are giving here! Maybe money is not the most common thing in 
Aldyth's country, and resources are used to their last extend.

So, Aldyth, are you running any desktop like kde, gnome? On my pc kde power 
managment set up itself by default to put everything to sleep after some time. 
I had to reset everything to previous setting. By the way, I think there is way 
for reporting a bug against powermanagment because it reset the settings every 
time it is updated.
Thierry


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Re: specific kernel configuration for graphic card driver

[lina]

There is a

Segmentation fault

when I used some other software, so I removed the fglrx-* temporarily.
when do you want to re-install let me know.

4] removal log

The following pThe following packages will be REMOVED:
  fglrx-atieventsd* fglrx-control* fglrx-driver* fglrx-glx* fglrx-glx-ia32
  fglrx-modules-dkms*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 6 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

Removing fglrx-atieventsd ...
Stopping atieventsd: done.
Purging configuration files for fglrx-atieventsd ...
Removing fglrx-control ...
Purging configuration files for fglrx-control ...

Removing fglrx-glx-ia32 ...
Removing 'diversion of /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 to
/usr/lib32/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-glx-ia32'
Removing 'diversion of /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 to
/usr/lib32/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1 by fglrx-glx-ia32

Removing fglrx-glx ...
Removing 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to
/usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-glx'
Removing 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to
/usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1 by fglrx-glx'
Purging configuration files for fglrx-glx ...
No diversion 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-glx', none removed.
No diversion 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 by fglrx-glx', none removed.
Removing fglrx-modules-dkms ...

 Uninstall Beginning 
Module:  fglrx
Version: 11-3
Kernel:  2.6.38-mbp82-nhg (x86_64)
-

Status: Before uninstall, this module version was ACTIVE on this kernel.

fglrx.ko:
 - Uninstallation
   - Deleting from: /lib/modules/2.6.38-mbp82-nhg/updates/dkms/
 - Original module
   - No original module was found for this module on this kernel.
   - Use the dkms install command to reinstall any previous module version.

depmod...

DKMS: uninstall Completed.

--
Deleting module version: 11-3
completely from the DKMS tree.
--
Done.
Removing fglrx-driver ...
Removing 'diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so to
/usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libglx.so by fglrx-driver'
Purging configuration files for fglrx-driver ...
dpkg: warning: while removing fglrx-driver, directory '/etc/ati' not
empty so not removed.


On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:39 AM, lina  wrote:
> Thanks, really appreciated it. please check below:
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Panayiotis Karabassis  
> wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Regarding the error you got, did you use a command line tool such as
>> wget? You may have not downloaded the packages at all, but the web
>> pages. Anyway the error message clearly suggests that the download was
>> corrupt.
>
> before I used wget.
>
>>
>> Here is the second try. I hope no more are needed. It installs on my
>> Squeeze system, but that's as far as I got because I don't have an ATI card.
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/fglrx-squeeze/downloads/list
>>
>> Do let me know how it goes!
>
> 1] checked
>
> # sha1sum 11-3-0panayk2_amd64.tar.bz2
> 2775f7bc5d2e8099be3aa623dbe7853ede337a2b  11-3-0panayk2_amd64.tar.bz2
>
> 2] installed
>
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>  fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-glx-ia32
>  fglrx-modules-dkms
>
> grep: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
> **
> NOTE: the fglrx driver is not yet configued.
> Please consider /usr/bin/aticonfig to create a
> working xorg.conf configuration.
> For example, 'sudo aticonfig --initial' should
> be sufficient for most use cases.
> **
> Setting up fglrx-glx (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...
> Setting up fglrx-glx-ia32 (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...
> Setting up fglrx-atieventsd (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...
> Starting atieventsd: done.
> Setting up fglrx-control (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...
> Setting up fglrx-modules-dkms (1:11-3-0panayk2) ...
>
> Creating symlink /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/11-3/source ->
>                 /usr/src/fglrx-11-3
>
> DKMS: add Completed.
>
> Kernel preparation unnecessary for this kernel.  Skipping...
>
> Building module:
> cleaning build area
> make KERNELRELEASE=2.6.38-mbp82-nhg -C
> /lib/modules/2.6.38-mbp82-nhg/build
> M=/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/11-3/build...
> cleaning build area
>
> DKMS: build Completed.
>
> fglrx.ko:
> Running module version sanity check.
>  - Original module
>   - No original module exists within this kernel
>  - Installation
>   - Installing to /lib/modules/2.6.38-mbp82-nhg/updates/dkms/
>
> depmod..
>
> DKMS: install Completed.
>
> Very well, no error reports this time, would you mind telling me what
> you have done?
>
> 3] Configuration problem
>
> /usr/bin# ./aticonfig --initial
> ./aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
>
> I restarted the laptop, it's the same.
> :/usr/bin# aticonfig --initial
> aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
>
> Thanks ahead for further suggestion.
>
>
>>
>> - --
>> Best regards,
>>    Panayiotis Karabassis
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
>> Version: