Re: cryptdisks runlevel configuration for lvm2 + encrypted swap file

[Bob Proulx]

Jimmy Wu wrote:
> Thanks for the detailed email and the advice about service vs 
> invoke-rc.d - I should probably spend more time figuring out what the 

The win for package postinst scripts using invoke-rc to start services
is that if they are installed in a chroot then maybe they shouldn't
start services.  I use chroots for many things and I don't want them
starting conflicting daemons for example.  So I set up a policy-rc.d
script that instructs the chroot not to start any daemons.  The
invoke-rc.d script is coded to respect the policy-rc.d and will do the
right thing in that case.

But for a human at the command line if they ask for a daemon to start
then pretty much they really want the deamon to start.  The problem is
that humans usually have personal environment variables set from their
bashrc file.  Things like PATH and other things can divert a system
daemon from doing the right thing.  So the service command cleans the
environment first.  A specialized 'env -i' flavor just for starting
system daemons.  Other distros have had this for a while and it is a
good thing that Debian now has it too.  Life is more uniform across
distros for this one little thing.

> proper tools for configuring runlevels are.  When I was messing with them 
> manually, I also tried using sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d, and insserv, so 
> you can probably tell I really had no idea what I was doing ;).

So...  I am curious.  I often read that people are wanting to
"configure their runlevels".  You are not the only one.  Other people
talk about it too.  But I never know why.  And I never quite know
exactly what someone means when they want to "configure runlevels".
The only two runlevels I ever use are multiuser (Debian uses runlevel
2, the default for multiuser) and single user (run level 1).

In the old days when networking was new and exciting there was
runlevel 3 for enabling networking, NFS, and YP.  If you didn't want
networking then you booted to runlevel 2.  If you did then you used
runlevel 3.  Then graphical logins came into being and it was just
natural to turn on graphical logins in runlevel 4.  If you didn't want
a graphical login then you booted to runlevel 3 (or 2) instead.

But here it is all of these years later and now I just really don't
usually want to boot into a system without networking enabled.  And if
I do want networking disabled then I can easily bring the networking
offline without needing to change runlevels.  So having networking
enabled in runlevel 2 multiuser mode is perfectly fine for me.  And if
I don't want to log into a graphical display manager (gdm, kdm, xdm)
then I switch to console with Control-Alt-F1 and log in on the text
console.  So no need to avoid what was previously runlevel 4 for a
graphical display manager.  (Of course in Debian all runlevels are the
same by default.)

And so I am left wondering what people are trying to accomplish when
they "configure runlevels".  Is there really a need to avoid the
graphical display manager by changing runlevels?  Is there really a
need to boot without networking enabled?  Probably not.  So I assume
there must be some other behavior that people are wanting and it is
completely a mystery to me.

> I'll look more into this over the weekend and hopefully post back with a 
> success story.

Good luck!

Bob


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Re: Mounting two usb drives

[Go Linux]

--- On Fri, 7/29/11, Go Linux  wrote:

> From: Go Linux 
> Subject: Re: Mounting two usb drives
> To: "debian-user-lists.debian.org" 
> Date: Friday, July 29, 2011, 12:05 AM
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Ethan Rosenberg 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ethan Rosenberg 
> > Subject: Mounting two usb drives
> > To: "debian-user-lists.debian.org" 
> > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 1:59 PM
> > Dear list -
> > 
> > How do I mount two usb drives at the same time. 
> Both
> > usb drives have only one partition.
> > 
> >
> 
> I have probably 10 usb drives all with multiple
> partitions.  The partitions are labeled and I have
> fstab entries for all of them. As soon as they are plugged
> in all the partitions are mounted.  I have had as many
> as three drives mounted at one time.  No problem.
> 
> 

Sorry about that. It's late. I'm tired. Of course not in fstab but in /mnt 
using the labels.

I'll go stand in a corner now . . .


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Re: Mounting two usb drives

[Go Linux]

--- On Thu, 7/28/11, Ethan Rosenberg  wrote:

> From: Ethan Rosenberg 
> Subject: Mounting two usb drives
> To: "debian-user-lists.debian.org" 
> Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 1:59 PM
> Dear list -
> 
> How do I mount two usb drives at the same time.  Both
> usb drives have only one partition.
> 
>

I have probably 10 usb drives all with multiple partitions.  The partitions are 
labeled and I have fstab entries for all of them. As soon as they are plugged 
in all the partitions are mounted.  I have had as many as three drives mounted 
at one time.  No problem.


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Re: Mounting two usb drives

[Juan R. de Silva]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:59:42 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:

> Dear list -
> 
> How do I mount two usb drives at the same time.  Both usb drives have
> only one partition.

Your question is not quite clear. Do you actually mean it is important 
for you that both drives would be mounted simultaneously? What difference 
it would made if you just plug them in one at at a time?



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Re: Mounting two usb drives

[Csanyi Pal]

Ethan Rosenberg  writes:

> Dear list -
>
> How do I mount two usb drives at the same time.  Both usb drives have
> only one partition.

You can use usbmount application.
aptitude show usbmount
Description: automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices

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Re: cryptdisks runlevel configuration for lvm2 + encrypted swap file

[Jimmy Wu]

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, 14:09-0600, 
Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Jimmy Wu wrote:
> > I even put aside my reservations about messing with the links in
> > rc.d,
> 
> Squeeze is running a dependency based boot scheme controlled by
> insserv.  You may be fighting it and not knowing it.  Normally you
> would have LSB dependency headers in the /etc/init.d/ scripts and
> insserv will assign a boot number based upon topologically sorting the
> dependencies.
> 
> > (tried starting cryptdisks in runlevels 2-5 and other things
> > as well) but since it didn't work so I restored everything back to
> > the default before I broke anything, and came here to ask for
> > help/advice instead.
> 
> Good plan!  :-)
> 
> In Debian the default run level is 2.  In Debian by default all
> runlevels 2-5 are identical.  You as the local admin can change either
> of those things and those changes will be respected by the system
> tools.  But that is the default.  No reason to do anything else.
> 
> > My system is Squeeze 2.6.32-5-amd64 
> > Running invoke-rc.d cryptdisks start && swapon -a after boot works.
> 
> You may have heard people talk about invoke-rc.d but that is designed
> as a tool for packages to use in the package 'postinst' script.  It
> respects the setting of the policy-rc.d script such as not starting
> daemons inside of chroot environments.  It isn't intended as a command
> the user would call from the command line.  You can, but that isn't
> the purpose, and in Squeeze you should be using 'service'.  In Squeeze
> Debian added the 'service' command the same as previously seen on
> other distros.  The 'service' command is intended to be used from the
> command line.
> 
>   # service cryptdisks start
> 
> See the man page for details but service cleans the environment and
> calls the /etc/init.d/ script.  It is a little bit cleaner than
> calling /etc/init.d/script directly.
> 
> > During the boot process I can see messages on the console that show
> > "Starting early crypto disks" succeeds, but "Starting remaining crypto 
> > disks" failed.
> > 
> > I'd appreciate any pointers as to what I am doing wrong or how I can 
> > better troubleshoot the problem.
> 
> I don't know anything about setting up encrypted swap files.  But I
> will suggest that if you want to change the boot order that you edit
> the /etc/init.d/cryptdisks script and perhaps add "$all" or some other
> dependency to the Required-Start: line and then run insserv to update
> the symlinks.  Adding $all is a quick hack to push the start to the
> end of the boot process.  I would think adding swap could happen at
> any time and be okay to happen very late.  You can look at the
> ordering of the boot scripts in /etc/rc2.d/ and observe the changes.
> If that works then you know you have a boot time initialization
> ordering problem.  You can then work from there to refine the
> solution.

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the detailed email and the advice about service vs 
invoke-rc.d - I should probably spend more time figuring out what the 
proper tools for configuring runlevels are.  When I was messing with them 
manually, I also tried using sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d, and insserv, so 
you can probably tell I really had no idea what I was doing ;).

I'll look more into this over the weekend and hopefully post back with a 
success story.

Jimmy


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Re: More than 150 up-to-date Debian howtos & tutorials online (server, virtualization, etc)

[Scott Ferguson]

On 26/07/11 18:18, Christoph Pilka wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> in the last months I've published more than 150 Debian howtos which

> Cheerio,
> Chris
> 
> 

As noted by others (and yourself), many of the works are not in English...

I appreciate that you'd like credit your your work, and possibly create
more visibility for your site - I'd like the howtos in English, and as
much Debian documentation as possible on the Debian site.

Would you mind if they were copied to the official Debian wiki - if I
translated the ones that are only in German you could then copy them
back (if that sounds like a fair trade).

Cheers

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE? Additional info.

[Paul E Condon]

On 20110729_111724, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 29/07/11 09:06, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > On 20110727_040721, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >> It also works with debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso
> >> I have looked into putting the installer on a USB device several times 
> >> in the past, but have always been put off by the perceived messyness
> >> of the process, like OP. The only slightly complex issue was putting
> >> the USB drive into the bios boot order list. This is not a complaint,
> >> but an indication of just how trivial the process actually is. 
> >>
> >> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?
> >> Or was there some feature in the debian-gnu-linux tool set that needed
> >> a rewrite? Not really important to get an answer, but it would be nice
> >> if all those out of date HOWTOs could somehow be hidden from view
> 
> You seem to be answering your own posts perhaps if you gave specific
> instances your complaints could be dealt with (post the URLs of the
> out-of-date Debian documentation).
> 
> >>, Or tagged with a note pointing to your email in debian lists archive.
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> > 
> > Unfortunately this result has proved to be unreproducible. In about a
> > dozen retries, some identical, some with minor variation, none has
> > worked at bringing up the installer splash screen. It is obvious to me
> > that there is something missing in my understanding of iso images on
> > usb drives. 
> 
> Yes. And as I noted in an earlier post there are some issues specific to
> certain BIOS. If you posted specific "information" you'd get specific
> help - that's what this list is good at.
> 
> > I'm dropping out of this discussion. 
> 
> Which is just rude - you complain and insist that things don't work. Are
> you a shill or a troll?
> 
> 
> 
> You modified the subject to "more info", yet provided no more information.
> 
> Cheers

I responded to my own post. I reported that it was in error. 
Readers of the archive should not send me email asking how exactly
I got it to work. (Which I had claimed in the post to which I was
responding) Short answer is: I didn't. 

It may not be valuable information to you. You already know that
everyone else on this list, myself included, is stupid and lazy.
But you knowing something isn't helpful to me, and I am tired of
the abuse. 

Cheers
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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE? Additional info.

[Scott Ferguson]

On 29/07/11 09:06, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20110727_040721, Paul E Condon wrote:
>> It also works with debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso
>> I have looked into putting the installer on a USB device several times 
>> in the past, but have always been put off by the perceived messyness
>> of the process, like OP. The only slightly complex issue was putting
>> the USB drive into the bios boot order list. This is not a complaint,
>> but an indication of just how trivial the process actually is. 
>>
>> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?
>> Or was there some feature in the debian-gnu-linux tool set that needed
>> a rewrite? Not really important to get an answer, but it would be nice
>> if all those out of date HOWTOs could somehow be hidden from view

You seem to be answering your own posts perhaps if you gave specific
instances your complaints could be dealt with (post the URLs of the
out-of-date Debian documentation).

>>, Or tagged with a note pointing to your email in debian lists archive.
>>
>> Thanks again
> 
> Unfortunately this result has proved to be unreproducible. In about a
> dozen retries, some identical, some with minor variation, none has
> worked at bringing up the installer splash screen. It is obvious to me
> that there is something missing in my understanding of iso images on
> usb drives. 

Yes. And as I noted in an earlier post there are some issues specific to
certain BIOS. If you posted specific "information" you'd get specific
help - that's what this list is good at.

> I'm dropping out of this discussion. 

Which is just rude - you complain and insist that things don't work. Are
you a shill or a troll?



You modified the subject to "more info", yet provided no more information.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 29/07/11 07:58, Per Carlson wrote:
> On 28 Jul 2011 23:31, "Walter Hurry"  wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:12:32 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
>>>  wrote:



>> Well, there are ways, but the best bet for most will be to download, burn
>> *and checksum* a live CD or a netinst CD, and boot from that.
> 
> And what if the system doesn't have an optical drive? Buying an external
> drive shouldn't be the easiest option.

It's not (the easiest option).
There are (at least) four other ways to install Debian without a CD -
and they all take less effort to do than complaining.


Install from an existing OS using a web based installer, debbootstrap,
use a PXE installer, use a USB device


> 
>> But the OP in this particular thread would be well advised to stick to
>> Windoze.


> 
> That's shouldn't stop Debian from being user friendly.

And you are welcome, indeed invited, to change that.
Consider that the purpose of Debian is *not* to soley serve your
"demands", and the nature of Debian is to allow you to "contribute" (not
whine) and modify it to suit your purposes. If you feel like returning
some of the benefits you gain from Debian - then documenting the
processes you learned is a nice idea. (put it on the wiki.debian.org)

> 
> --
> Pelle
> (written on a small screen device)
> 

Debian is a desktop, and it is for Windoof "users". What you clearly
don't understand that those things are a very, very, small part of what
Debian is.

Here's a good starting point:-
http://www.debian.org/intro/about

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 29/07/11 07:12, Per Carlson wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
>  wrote:
>> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en
> 
> Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will
> need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
> supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
> where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)

It's not "recursive". It's "nit-picking" (and it does smell). :-)

> 
> IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
> running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.
Which version of Windoof?
How about Plan 9, Oberon, AmigaOS, OS/2, and many, many others?
Should one particular piece of third-party software needed for a
non-Debian OS should be suggested over another? Those are all potential
problems with including the information you desire into that particular
piece of documentation.

The original complainer was not unable to find the answer - just too
lazy to filter and read. I agree that too much Debian related
information is (selfishly?) on personal websites and blogs *instead* of
on the main Debian site. The debian wiki is a good place for that -
provided any solutions given promote practices in keeping with the
Debian Social contract, standards and procedures.

1. Download a live CD.
2. Learn to use a search engine.
3. Contribute to the wiki.debian.org (please).
4. Realise that no matter how much you'd like it to be different - the
world owes you nothing, and knowledge comes from effort - not something
sprinkled on your breakfast cereal.

Sometimes the solution is not as "simple" as the question.

Hint: ask the "right question" in the "right way" and the answer is
easy. example queries that will get the answer:-
http://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+install+debian+from+a+usb+key
http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+installation+from+a+usb+stick
http://www.google.com/search?q=installing+debian+without+a+cdrom
or ask duckduckgo "how do i install debian from windows"


Cheers

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

[shawn wilson]

On osx, the hardest part if running diskutil to find the device of the usb
drive. Then su and go.
On Jul 28, 2011 6:18 PM, "Rick Thomas"  wrote:
>
> On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Per Carlson wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
>>  wrote:
>>> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
>>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en
>>
>> Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will
>> need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
>> supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
>> where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)
>>
>> IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
>> running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.
>
> In Mac OS-X, it should be pretty straight-forward. E.g. the "dd"
> command exists in standard OS-X. There may be some tricks required to
> write directly to a USB stick device, but I'm guessing it's not
> impossible.
>
> But the real answer to your point is this: If you're thinking of
> running Linux, you probably have a friend who has Linux running.
> Friends are good things to have.
>
> Rick
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Re: Has KFTPGrabber gone viral

[Chris Brennan]

On 7/28/2011 1:21 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> I have been running KFTPGrabber 0.8.1 on Debian 5 on this computer.
> 
> I hade been using it without problems, for maintaining web sites, until
> recently.
> 
> A few days ago, it suddenly decided to, instead of uploading four
> selected files, upload a directory and its subdirectories, totalling
> about 200MB, instead of uploading the about 200kB selected.
> 
> Today, I selected a couple of files, and it said "hey, this file sounds
> similar", and tried to upload a file that was in a directory of the same
> level (the directory was at the same level; the file within that
> directory, was at a lower level). I tried repeatedly, and, no matter
> what file I selected to upload, KFTPGrabber decided that it wanted to
> upload, instead, the particular file that was in the directory, that was
> not a file that I wanted to upload.
> 
> So, I had to use the command line FTP utility to upload the files.
> 
> So, has KFTPGrabber become viral?
> 
> If it has, then it is unfortunate, as it had been a good tool for web
> site development.
> 
> -- 
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> Armadale
> West Australia
> ..
> 
> "So once you do know what the question actually is,
>  you'll know what the answer means."
> - Deep Thought,
>   Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
>   "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
>   A Trilogy In Four Parts",
>   written by Douglas Adams,
>   published by Pan Books, 1992
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

[Walter Hurry]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:58:54 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:

> And what if the system doesn't have an optical drive? Buying an external
> drive shouldn't be the easiest option.

So this hypothetical system doesn't have Linux, nor does it have an 
optical drive, nor does its owner have any friends with an optical drive 
or Linux?

Then the hypothetical owner had better do some Googling for unetbootin or 
the like.



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Re: New Debian user help

[Walter Hurry]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:49:07 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Walter Hurry 
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:48:29 +0100, Paul Stuffins wrote:
>>
>>> I am a long time CentOS user, and have decided, after several months
>>> of consideration, to move my hosting from CentOS to Debian.
>>
>> Not wishing to raise the hackles of any zealots here (Debian is an
>> excellent distribution IMHO), but as a refugee from the turmoil of
>> infighting which used to be CentOS, did you consider Scientific Linux
>> 6?
> 
> I'm currrently using Squeeze and Scientific Linux 6, because I don't
> have the spare funds to buy a stack of RHEL licenses and the mailing
> list support is often faster than RHEL support. (I'd like to think I'm
> contributing to that for both platforms.)

Hah! Ditto!



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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE? Additional info.

[Paul E Condon]

On 20110727_040721, Paul E Condon wrote:
> It also works with debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso
> I have looked into putting the installer on a USB device several times 
> in the past, but have always been put off by the perceived messyness
> of the process, like OP. The only slightly complex issue was putting
> the USB drive into the bios boot order list. This is not a complaint,
> but an indication of just how trivial the process actually is. 
> 
> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?
> Or was there some feature in the debian-gnu-linux tool set that needed
> a rewrite? Not really important to get an answer, but it would be nice
> if all those out of date HOWTOs could somehow be hidden from view, Or
> tagged with a note pointing to your email in debian lists archive.
> 
> Thanks again

Unfortunately this result has proved to be unreproducible. In about a
dozen retries, some identical, some with minor variation, none has
worked at bringing up the installer splash screen. It is obvious to me
that there is something missing in my understanding of iso images on
usb drives. I'm dropping out of this discussion. Sorry for the noise.

-- 
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Re: New Debian user help

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Walter Hurry  wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:48:29 +0100, Paul Stuffins wrote:
>
>> I am a long time CentOS user, and have decided, after several months of
>> consideration, to move my hosting from CentOS to Debian.
>
> Not wishing to raise the hackles of any zealots here (Debian is an
> excellent distribution IMHO), but as a refugee from the turmoil of
> infighting which used to be CentOS, did you consider Scientific Linux 6?

I'm currrently using Squeeze and Scientific Linux 6, because I don't
have the spare funds to buy a stack of RHEL licenses and the mailing
list support is often faster than RHEL support. (I'd like to think I'm
contributing to that for both platforms.)


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

[Rick Thomas]

On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Per Carlson wrote:


On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
 wrote:

Yes it's with the official documentation:-
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en


Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will
need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)

IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.


In Mac OS-X, it should be pretty straight-forward.  E.g. the "dd"  
command exists in standard OS-X.  There may be some tricks required to  
write directly to a USB stick device, but I'm guessing it's not  
impossible.


But the real answer to your point is this:  If you're thinking of  
running Linux, you probably have a friend who has Linux running.   
Friends are good things to have.


Rick


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

[Per Carlson]

On 28 Jul 2011 23:31, "Walter Hurry"  wrote:
>
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:12:32 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
> >  wrote:
> >> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
> >> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en
> >
> > Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will need
> > a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
> > supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
> > where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)
> >
> > IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
> > running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.
>
> Well, there are ways, but the best bet for most will be to download, burn
> *and checksum* a live CD or a netinst CD, and boot from that.

And what if the system doesn't have an optical drive? Buying an external
drive shouldn't be the easiest option.

> But the OP in this particular thread would be well advised to stick to
> Windoze.

That's shouldn't stop Debian from being user friendly.

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Pelle
(written on a small screen device)

Re: New Debian user help

[Walter Hurry]

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:48:29 +0100, Paul Stuffins wrote:

> I am a long time CentOS user, and have decided, after several months of
> consideration, to move my hosting from CentOS to Debian.

Not wishing to raise the hackles of any zealots here (Debian is an 
excellent distribution IMHO), but as a refugee from the turmoil of 
infighting which used to be CentOS, did you consider Scientific Linux 6?



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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

[Walter Hurry]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:12:32 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
>  wrote:
>> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en
> 
> Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will need
> a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
> supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
> where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)
> 
> IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
> running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.

Well, there are ways, but the best bet for most will be to download, burn 
*and checksum* a live CD or a netinst CD, and boot from that.

But the OP in this particular thread would be well advised to stick to 
Windoze.



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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

[Per Carlson]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
 wrote:
> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en

Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will
need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)

IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.

-- 
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 Every old idea will be proposed again with a different name and
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Re: kernel 3.0 : shutdown issue

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello List:

On 28/07/11 17:32, lina wrote:

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Jerome BENOIT  wrote:

Hello List:

I have just installed kernel 3.0.0 on my Squeeze box (with some Wheezy
stuff):
while shutdown process works well with kernel 2.6.39 ,
it gets into troubles with kernel 3.0.0.


What's kind of trouble. you may wanna be more specific.


You are right.



I tried 3.0.0 on Wheezy. So far so good.



Thanks for the feed-back.

Finally I figure out the issue:
it appears that the trouble comes from chrony .
I will dig it.

Sorry for the noise,
Jerome





In fact, I do not where to look.

Any hints is welcome,
Jerome


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Horrible atheros wifi performance

[Rob Gom]

Hi all,
could you help me analyzing my wifi issue? I have atheros card and
internet access is very flaky, slow, unreliable, ping to wifi router
drops, things like that. When I connect my PC by external access
point, located in the same place and connected by ethernet to PC,
performance improves significantly.

Details:
- problem started appearing about 2.6.39, persists on 3.0
- I've found network articles about wifi performance on atheros in
2.6.38, which is supposedly fixed now on 2.6.38+
- I've tries compat wireless, but to no avail (no difference)
- I've tried disabling wifi card power management, but to no avail
- I've tried to add nohwcrypt to ath9k kernel module, but to no avail
- I've tried to switch to 2.6.38 for a while, but right after switch
to 2.6.38 and reboot to 2.6.39 performance was ok. I mean -
performance was ok for some minutes after reboot, then degraded after
probably power off-on cycle. In effect I have no conclusions from that
experiment.
- my home router is Linksys WRT54GC, not the best one, but causing no
problems for access point or some other machines (with broadcom wifi
cards)

I am not an wifi expert, so have no idea what to do next. I would
appreciate any suggestions.

[carramba@~]$ uname -a
Linux dom 3.0.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP Sun Jul 24 14:27:32 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux

[carramba@~]$ lspci | grep Network
04:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X
Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)

[carramba@~]$ sudo iwconfig wlan1
[sudo] password for carramba:
wlan1 IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:off/any
  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.422 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated
  Tx-Power=17 dBm
  Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
  Encryption key:off
  Power Management:off
# currently using eth

[carramba@~]$ lsmod | grep ath
ath9k  67270  0
mac80211  165768  1 ath9k
ath9k_common   12610  1 ath9k
ath9k_hw  250420  2 ath9k,ath9k_common
ath17181  2 ath9k,ath9k_hw
cfg80211  112970  3 ath9k,mac80211,ath


I've found no Debian bugs on that, only similar RedHat bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=700973 (other bugs
referred to 2.6.38 regression, mentioned above).

Home network structure:
PC with atheros card --- Linksys WRT54GC router -- internet
or
PC ethernet --- TP Linkx WA500 or similar -- Linksys WRT54GC
router -- internet

Best regards,
Robert


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Re: network-manager, no desktop no network

[Brian]

On Thu 28 Jul 2011 at 17:58:53 +, T o n g wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Background: I still don't have time to dive into the whole wireless 
> networking thing, so I'm using (an older version of) Ubuntu for my 
> wireless networking. 

You really should make time. It's very easy on Debian Squeeze rather
than on some unspecified version of another OS.

> Problem: Strange to me is that, whenever I switch away from gnome, to 
> console or to my normal VM on anther VT, the wireless network disappears. 

This is either your imagination of your setup. No details - so its hard
to say.

> Is this the normal behaviour of network-manager? How can I get wireless 
> network for the machine, not for the gnome desktop alone?

No it isn't.


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Re: help to choose right printer to buy

[Andrew Malcolmson]

One advantage of the HP "Eprint" printers (most new inkjet models,
don't know about lasers) is you can send print jobs via either HP's
Eprint service via email or through Google's Cloud Print from Gmail or
Google Docs under Chrome, or from Android.  No driver install needed
because the job is rendered at the server.  You can't scan this way,
though.


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Re: debian sensible browser help

[Robert Holtzman]

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 06:12:10PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > Bob Proulx wrote:
> > > It definitely is not on mine.  Not on Lenny, Squeeze, nor Sid.  I just
> > > double checked by doing the tests.  Variable settings in .bashrc are
> > > not available to GNOME.
> > 
> > I have this in my .bashrc and they work with no problem:
> > 
> > NNTPSERVER='news.sonic.net' && export NNTPSERVER
> > BROWSER=firefox/firefox && export BROWSER
> 
> If you are launching something from a shell command line then they
> would have those settings.  But unless something is configured as
> other than default I don't know how they would appear in the X and
> GNOME environment.  But very likely you already fixed it long ago. :-)

A long time ago I learned something: no matter how much you know about
linux, every once in a while it rears back and slaps you upside the head
to remind you that you still have a looong way to go. I just got
reminded again. I deleted the FF line from .bashrc. Works fine because
FF is the default in Preferences. What was throwing me was that the NNTP
server line *was* required. Then it dawned on me that I was calling my
news reader (slrn) from the command line. Your sentence quoted above is
the key.

> 
> Here is the way I looked for environment variables that GNOME knows
> about.  I created this following simple script.
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> exec >/var/tmp/env.trace.out 2>&1
> echo " hello"
> env
> echo " goodbye"
> exit 0
> 
> I put that in my ~/bin/env.dumper file and chmod a+x on it.  Then I
> right clicked on the GNOME menu bar and clicked "Add to panel..." then
> selected "Custom Application Launcher" and then "+Add" and then filled
> the path to the script in for the command field.
> 
> With that in place I could test the different environments.  Running
> it from the command line would of course show all of my shell
> variables including those that were set from the .bashrc file.  But
> running it from GNOME itself through the launcher would not.
> 
> Creating the test script seems a little less crass than adding similar
> env dump modifications to /usr/bin/sensible-browser itself.  But doing
> so there would of course eliminate the extraneous script.  I would
> move it out of the way and copy it back and then edit the copy.  Then
> after all of the debug was done I could simply move the original back
> into place and it would completely clean up my debug hacking.

That's great. I have to try that when I have time to do some
experimenting.

> 
> > > So let's say you have GNOME preferences configured so that the web
> > > browser will be sensible-browser.  In that case it won't get the
> > > BROWSER variable setting in .bashrc and then won't launch the desired
> > > browser.
> > 
> > If that's true (and I'm not saying it isn't) how to explain the browser
> > and nntp lines in my .bashrc working. I still have a hunch I'm
> > misunderstanding something.
> 
> I am sure it would all make sense if we knew everything that was
> happening.
> 
> > > > > Instead for GNOME
> > > > > it appears in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc that you
> > > > > need to put settings into ~/.gnomerc instead.  I mention this because
> > > > > Paul said he was running GNOME.  Users running other session managers
> > > > > would be better served to use ~/.xsession.
> > 
> > Haven't set up either one of these. Probably won't as long as the
> > .bashrc is working.
> 
> I tend to agree that if it isn't broken then don't fix it.  But
> knowing what is really going on would be comforting.  And would
> probably help in the future when it does break.
 
I think you nailed it pretty good. 


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Re: network-manager, no desktop no network

[Walter Hurry]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:58:53 +, T o n g wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Background: I still don't have time to dive into the whole wireless
> networking thing, so I'm using (an older version of) Ubuntu for my
> wireless networking.
> 
> Problem: Strange to me is that, whenever I switch away from gnome, to
> console or to my normal VM on anther VT, the wireless network
> disappears.
> 
> Is this the normal behaviour of network-manager? How can I get wireless
> network for the machine, not for the gnome desktop alone?

Check the 'Available to all users' box in the settings dialog for the 
connection.



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Mounting two usb drives

[Ethan Rosenberg]

Dear list -

How do I mount two usb drives at the same time.  Both usb drives have 
only one partition.


Thanks.

Ethan

Debian 6.0.1a  squeeze(sid) 




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Re: New Debian user help

[Aniruddha]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Paul Stuffins  wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am a long time CentOS user, and have decided, after several months of
> consideration, to move my hosting from CentOS to Debian.
>
> I currently have a couple VPS' and have installed Debian on both of them,
> one will be my database server, the other will deal with Apache and PHP.

Welcome to Debian :-) How did you install squeeze? Can you ping other sites?


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Re: Routing weird IPs

[Paulo Santos]

Paulo Santos wrote:

François TOURDE wrote:

Le 15182ième jour après Epoch, Paulo Santos écrivait:

Plus this routes:

10.0.0.0 /255.0.0.0 - 10.120.43.158 62.48.163.64/255.224.0.0 -
10.200.34.158 192.168.168.0/255.255.255.192 - 10.120.43.158


If your syntax is "ip/mask - gateway", then the second line use a
gateway not in your ip range (10.200... vs 10.120...), or this is a
typo error.


It is "IP/Mask - Gateway". Those 3 lines are a copy&paste of the
email the provider sent me. Seeing it is impossible for the 2nd line
 to work, I'll contact them to clarify it.


Well, it was an error from the provider afterall. Everything should be
OK now.

10.200.34.152/29 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 10.200.34.153
62.48.163.64/27 via 10.200.34.158 dev eth0
192.168.168.0/26 via 10.200.34.158 dev eth0
192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.0.202
10.0.0.0/8 via 10.200.34.158 dev eth0
default via 192.168.0.254 dev eth0

If it doesn't work, it probably is something else other than routes.

unruh wrote:

You can't have 2 gateway lines, because gateway is equiv to
"route default", and you can't have 2 default destinations.

?? I do not think I agree. The gateway simply says -- if you get an
address that matches the route, send the packet on to the gateway to
deal with it. It is NOT the equivalent of a default route (which is--
if the address does not match anything else in the route, ship it on
to default gateway to deal with). A specific gateway is not
equivalent to a default gateway.


In that case, having it declared in the interfaces is the same as
configuring a route manually, right?

Best regards,
Paulo Santos



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Re: Skype video black after upgrade

[James Brown]

On 28.07.2011 13:15, Rainer Kluge wrote:
> Am 25.07.2011 18:20, schrieb komodo:
>>
>> libv4l2: error converting / decoding frame data
>>
>> but when i install previous version of lib32v4l and v4l (0.8.4-2) than
>> video
>> is working again.
> 
> I have the same problem with my Logitech QuickCam Messanger (046d:08da)
> and fixed by dowgrading to v4l 0.8.0-1 (I did not find other versions on
> the ftp server). I suppose that the problem is related to some Logitech
> webcams.
> 
> Rainer
> 
> 

I have the same problem with the next laptop's internal web-com:
~$ lsusb
Bus 005 Device 002: ID 046d:0896 Logitech, Inc. OrbiCam.
It works about 2 years ago under lenny without any problem with the
package "gspca" which did not be include in the kernel before the Linux
kernel 2.26.30 if I remember.
I am not an active user of web-com and after some months ot more than a
year I found that my web-com does not work anymore. (I used Lenny under
the Linux kernel 2.26.30, 2.26.32 from backports at that moment).
Some times it works some ours or minites (I don't know why) and ended
work again for a long times.
I expected that it would be work again under Squeeze but it don't work
now, after upgrading to squeeze.
I have the next kernel modules loaded:
lsmod | grep gspca
gspca_vc032x   21444  0
gspca_main 18727  1 gspca_vc032x
videodev   29993  1 gspca_main
usbcore   122498  8
btusb,gspca_vc032x,gspca_main,usb_storage,usbhid,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
and it seems to me that it must work but it doesn't.
It doesn't work not only with skype but and with `cheese` and mplayer.
So, I have the next report about errors from the mplayer when I try to
make it works:

~$ mplayer tv://
MPlayer SVN-r31918 (C) 2000-2010 MPlayer Team
Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
Can't init input joystick
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote
control.

Playing tv://.
TV file format detected.
Selected driver: v4l2
 name: Video 4 Linux 2 input
 author: Martin Olschewski 
 comment: first try, more to come ;-)
v4l2: your device driver does not support VIDIOC_G_STD ioctl,
VIDIOC_G_PARM was used instead.
Selected device: Camera
 Capabilities:  video capture  read/write  streaming
 supported norms:
 inputs: 0 = vc032x;
 Current input: 0
 Current format: unknown (0x55595659)
tv.c: norm_from_string(pal): Bogus norm parameter, setting default.
v4l2: ioctl enum norm failed: Invalid argument
Error: Cannot set norm!
Selected input hasn't got a tuner!
v4l2: Cannot get fps
v4l2: ioctl set mute failed: Invalid argument
v4l2: ioctl query control failed: Invalid argument
v4l2: ioctl query control failed: Invalid argument
v4l2: ioctl query control failed: Invalid argument
v4l2: ioctl query control failed: Invalid argument
open: No such file or directory
[MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
open: No such file or directory
[MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
[VO_TDFXFB] This driver only supports the 3Dfx Banshee, Voodoo3 and
Voodoo 5.
s3fb: Couldn't map S3 registers: Operation not permitted
Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory
[vdpau] Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 1
==
Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x55595659.
==

v4l2: ioctl set mute failed: Invalid argument
v4l2: 0 frames successfully processed, 1 frames dropped.

Exiting... (End of file)



~$ mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:driver=v4l
MPlayer SVN-r31918 (C) 2000-2010 MPlayer Team
Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
Can't init input joystick
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote
control.

Playing tv://.
TV file format detected.
Selected driver: v4l
 name: Video 4 Linux input
 author: Alex Beregszaszi
 comment: under development
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 WARNING: YOU ARE USING V4L DEMUXER WITH V4L2 DRIVERS!!!
 As the V4L1 compatibility layer is broken, this may not work.
 If you encounter any problems, use driver=v4l2 instead.
 Bugreports on driver=v4l with v4l2 drivers will be ignored.
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Selected device: Camera
 Capabilities: capture
 Device type: 1
 Supported sizes: 48x32 => 640x480
 Inputs: 1
  0: vc032x:  (tuner:0, norm:pal)
ioctl set chan failed: Invalid argument
ioctl set chan failed: Invalid argument
Error: Cannot set norm!
Selected input hasn't got a tuner!
FPS not specified in the header or invalid, use the -fps option.

ioctl mcapture failed: Invalid argument
open: No such file or directory
[MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
open: No such file or directory
[MGA

Re: More than 150 up-to-date Debian howtos & tutorials online (server, virtualization, etc)

[Johannes Obermueller]

On 07/26/2011 08:18 AM, Christoph Pilka wrote:

Hi folks,

in the last months I've published more than 150 Debian howtos which
are online now at  http://www.asconix.com/howtos/debian

The howtos are covering the following topics so far:

* Debian as infrastructure (BIND, Samba ...)
* Webservers (Apache2, Nginx, Lighttpd ...)
* Databases (MySQL, PostgreSQL, CouchDB, Redis, ...)
* CMS's (Plone, Drupal, ...)
* Virtualization (Xen, VMware ESX ...)
* Backup (Bacula, rsync ...)
* E-Mail&  Groupware (Postfix, Dovecot, OpenXchange, Zarafa ...)
* VoIP (Asterisk, Gemeinschaft ...)
* E-Commerce (Magento, OXID VirtueMart ...)
* Media (XBMC, MediaTomb, Coherence, Fuppes ...)
* Desktop Environments&  Window Managers (XFCE, Awesome, XMonad,
StumpWM ...)
* Development (Ruby on Rails, Java, Lua ...)

... and so much more ;-) Few of the howtos are translated, the non-
translated are self-explanatory (I hope so ;-)). And if anyone of you
has time and fun to work on this documentation project, please let me
know. I've some further drafts in my pipeline for the next few weeks
(e.g. Hadoop&  Cassandra, Dropbox clone, High Availability etc.). So
stay tuned and please leave comments at the bottom of the howtos.

Cheerio,
Chris


I really like the idea of a howto collection, but I would like it even 
more if it were available under something.debian.org
btw where would be the appropriate place for such howtos in the debian 
infrastructure? wiki? ..?


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Re: More than 150 up-to-date Debian howtos & tutorials online (server, virtualization, etc)

[Wayne Topa]

On 07/26/2011 04:18 AM, Christoph Pilka wrote:

Hi folks,

in the last months I've published more than 150 Debian howtos which
are online now at  http://www.asconix.com/howtos/debian

The howtos are covering the following topics so far:

* Debian as infrastructure (BIND, Samba ...)
* Webservers (Apache2, Nginx, Lighttpd ...)
* Databases (MySQL, PostgreSQL, CouchDB, Redis, ...)
* CMS's (Plone, Drupal, ...)
* Virtualization (Xen, VMware ESX ...)
* Backup (Bacula, rsync ...)
* E-Mail&  Groupware (Postfix, Dovecot, OpenXchange, Zarafa ...)
* VoIP (Asterisk, Gemeinschaft ...)
* E-Commerce (Magento, OXID VirtueMart ...)
* Media (XBMC, MediaTomb, Coherence, Fuppes ...)
* Desktop Environments&  Window Managers (XFCE, Awesome, XMonad,
StumpWM ...)
* Development (Ruby on Rails, Java, Lua ...)

... and so much more ;-) Few of the howtos are translated, the non-
translated are self-explanatory (I hope so ;-)). And if anyone of you
has time and fun to work on this documentation project, please let me
know. I've some further drafts in my pipeline for the next few weeks
(e.g. Hadoop&  Cassandra, Dropbox clone, High Availability etc.). So
stay tuned and please leave comments at the bottom of the howtos.

Cheerio,
Chris




Thanks Chris.  The Google Translator was able to get me a few if your 
HowTo's and they are very hrlpful.


Tschuss

Wayne


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Re: More than 150 up-to-date Debian howtos & tutorials online (server, virtualization, etc)

[chris]

+1 german here too

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Christoph Pilka wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> in the last months I've published more than 150 Debian howtos which
>> are online now at  
>> http://www.asconix.com/howtos/**debian
>>
>>
> They seem to be all in German even after selecting the UK flag.
>
>
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First Try of Kernel 3 -- ipchains

[David Baron]

Everything boots up fine, works fine, except get a load of ipchains: protocal 
not available.

Now, I was not aware I even used this, the /etc/default/ipchains says "no."

Is it now absent in the kernel, deprecated so get rid of the init.d script?

Iptables is being used.


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Re: Routing weird IPs

[François TOURDE]

Le 15183ième jour après Epoch,
Paulo Santos écrivait:

>> You can't have 2 gateway lines, because gateway is equiv to "route
>> default", and you can't have 2 default destinations.
>
> Ok. I'll correct that in the end of the day, since it's in production I
> can't restart the network.

You don't need to restart the network. Check the default routes actives
using "ip route", and then delete the wrong one with "ip route del "

Hope this help.


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Re: PCIe card reader not visible in KDE's "Device notifier" Plasma widget [solved]

[Jean-Marc Ranger]

Fixed. Apparently, HAL isn't dead yet.

Full details on the fix at http://bugs.debian.org/635756

JMRanger


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Re: kernel 3.0 : shutdown issue

[lina]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Jerome BENOIT  wrote:
> Hello List:
>
> I have just installed kernel 3.0.0 on my Squeeze box (with some Wheezy
> stuff):
> while shutdown process works well with kernel 2.6.39 ,
> it gets into troubles with kernel 3.0.0.

What's kind of trouble. you may wanna be more specific.

I tried 3.0.0 on Wheezy. So far so good.

>
> In fact, I do not where to look.
>
> Any hints is welcome,
> Jerome
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pointing Local Folders in icedove to /var/spool/mail/x

[Andreas Berglund]

Hi!
I would like to point Local Folders in icedove to 
/var/spool/mail/my_spool_file but when I try it's greyed out, it doesn't 
seem to be a permission problem. Anyone have any suggestions?


/andreas


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Re: More than 150 up-to-date Debian howtos & tutorials online (server, virtualization, etc)

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Christoph Pilka wrote:

Hi folks,

in the last months I've published more than 150 Debian howtos which
are online now at  http://www.asconix.com/howtos/debian



They seem to be all in German even after selecting the UK flag.



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Re: Routing weird IPs

[Paulo Santos]

Hello,

First of all, than you everyone for the replies.

François TOURDE wrote:

Le 15182ième jour après Epoch,
Paulo Santos écrivait:

Plus this routes:

  10.0.0.0 /255.0.0.0 - 10.120.43.158
  62.48.163.64/255.224.0.0 - 10.200.34.158
  192.168.168.0/255.255.255.192 - 10.120.43.158


If your syntax is "ip/mask - gateway", then the second line use a
gateway not in your ip range (10.200... vs 10.120...), or this is a typo
error.


It is "IP/Mask - Gateway". Those 3 lines are a copy&paste of the email 
the provider sent me. Seeing it is impossible for the 2nd line to work, 
I'll contact them to clarify it.




You can't have 2 gateway lines, because gateway is equiv to "route
default", and you can't have 2 default destinations.


Ok. I'll correct that in the end of the day, since it's in production I
can't restart the network.



But when I try any of the other 2, I get:

  route: bogus netmask 255.225.255.192
  Usage: ...


Look at the "225" instead of "255" in the second byte of the netmask. Is
it a typo error?


Indeed it is a typo made when executing the command. Correcting it 
worked, the route was added.


Best regards,
Paulo Santos


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Re: Skype video black after upgrade

[Rainer Kluge]

Am 25.07.2011 18:20, schrieb komodo:


libv4l2: error converting / decoding frame data

but when i install previous version of lib32v4l and v4l (0.8.4-2) than video
is working again.


I have the same problem with my Logitech QuickCam Messanger (046d:08da) and 
fixed by dowgrading to v4l 0.8.0-1 (I did not find other versions on the ftp 
server). I suppose that the problem is related to some Logitech webcams.


Rainer


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Spam policy in Debian Mailing Lists

[Alexander Batischev]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:18:07PM +1000, Jimmy James wrote:
> How is your post *not* responding to spam? (polite question)

I'm responding to you, not to spam message, to tell you that you
shouldn't respond to spam too.

> > you'll achieve nothing but Debian Mailing Lists'
> > archives pollution.
> 
> Not stopping spam in the first place is what pollutes the archives.

To stop spam, you should nominate it for removal from archives and, if
you can, write SpamAssassin rule to filter that particular kind of spam
in future. No replies, nothing - just ignore it.

> > Better bounce (as in mutt) spam message to
> > report-lists...@lists.debian.org thus nominating messages for review and
> > removal from archieves.
> > 
> 
> Which is different from going to:-
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/07/msg02311.html
> and clicking on the "Report Spam" button how?? (also polite question)
> 
> ie. both methods achieve the same thing in getting the original post
> removed from the archives.

Yes, no difference - I just prefer bouncing so I advised it.

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Re: Liver Cancer Coast Magazine Issue 316 Out Now

[Jimmy James]

On 28/07/11 20:55, Alexander Batischev wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Never respond to spam, 

How is your post *not* responding to spam? (polite question)

> you'll achieve nothing but Debian Mailing Lists'
> archives pollution.

Not stopping spam in the first place is what pollutes the archives.


> Better bounce (as in mutt) spam message to
> report-lists...@lists.debian.org thus nominating messages for review and
> removal from archieves.
> 

Which is different from going to:-
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/07/msg02311.html
and clicking on the "Report Spam" button how?? (also polite question)

ie. both methods achieve the same thing in getting the original post
removed from the archives.

I modified the advertised sites url in my response - they got no
backlinks from it. And they don't care if it's archived, the gmane and
google groups copies and a dozen other live on forever.

The company that benefited, sent, and commissioned the spam, are all
owned and run by the same person, and are all based in Australia.
It's a jailable offence to spam - report them to ACMA, not doing so just
encourages them. Ditto with reporting them to Google.

While I'm sure it's not your intention to encourage and nourish spammers
- it is exactly what you are doing when you don't do those things. (and
responding to the spam is not necessary, reporting it is).

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openssh: sshd’s ForceCommand and ssh’s "–N Do not execute a remote command"

[Oleg Verych]

Hallo.

If sshd is configured to have a ForceCommand, no `ssh –N` must skip
this server’s setup, isn’t it?

But it isn’t so.
Admin may think that the command is forced by a server, but user can
skip that. In such case only port forwarding is available, but anyway
the whole thing is meaningless, IMHO.

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Re: Life Gold Coast Magazine Issue 316 Out Now

[Alexander Batischev]

Hi!

Never respond to spam, you'll achieve nothing but Debian Mailing Lists'
archives pollution. Better bounce (as in mutt) spam message to
report-lists...@lists.debian.org thus nominating messages for review and
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RE: pin priority in apt_preferences

[Arno Schuring]

Hi,

> Despite the priority, I put in  my /etc/apt/preferences
[..]
> When I install a package, it    comes from ftp.fr.debian.org,  even if  this 
> pacakge existe, in my locale repository??!!
[..]
> root@debian6:/opt/extra6Bis# apt-cache showpkg 9base

what does
$ apt-cache policy 9base
tell you?


Regards,
Arno
  

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Re: Life Gold Coast Magazine Issue 316 Out Now

[Jimmy James]

On 28/07/11 15:02, Life Gold Coast scum wrote:
> Having trouble viewing this email? Click Here to view it online (
> http://lifegoldcoast.con.au/

Dear Paula Jane Johnson,
you are scum, the spawn of Satan, jamming the
tubes with your puerile publications, ripping of your clients with
worthless advertisements.

While decent business builds search rankings on content and genuine
backlinks you, and the filth you call My eHub, defraud your clients
who'd have better results without the penalties that Google
automatically gives for your nasty Web 2.0 copy content scams and link
farms.

I hope you are hunted down by ASIC for trading without an ABN and while
insolvent, all the creditors you defrauded learn your home address:-
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp
and hunt you down, and that everyone that reads this:-
1. contacts Google to demands your results be sent to the back of the
results:-
http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreport
2. forwards your spam to ACMA so you are sent to jail where you belong:-
rep...@submit.spam.acma.gov.au

If I get bored I'll build a proper website, not one outsourced to the
Phillipines for a pittance, and post your photo, personal details and
give you the publicity you so richly deserve.

No one buys the "I'm just trying to make a few more million" yuppy
Nuremburg defence - any more than the law buys the "opt-out of spam"
lie. You are a parasite and the only positive thing you could do with
you life - is end it in a slow and painful manner.

Yours faithfully, JJ


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Re: pin priority in apt_preferences

[kuLa]

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On 27/07/11 20:06, abdelkader belahcene wrote:
> *Hi,

Hi there

> Despite the priority, I put in  my /etc/apt/preferences
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: origin ""
> Pin-Priority: 999
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: origin "localhost"
> Pin-Priority: 995
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: origin "ftp.fr.debian.org "
> Pin-Priority: 501

sic
man apt_preferences should explain everything, have a closer look on
this part:
" For example, suppose the APT preferences file contains the three
records presented earlier:

   Package: perl
   Pin: version 5.8*
   Pin-Priority: 1001

   Package: *
   Pin: origin ""
   Pin-Priority: 999

   Package: *
   Pin: release unstable
   Pin-Priority: 50

   Then:

   ·   The most recent available version of the perl package will be
installed, so long as that version's version number begins with "5.8".
If any 5.8* version of perl is
   available and the installed version is 5.9*, then perl will
be downgraded.

   ·   A version of any package other than perl that is available
from the local system has priority over other versions, even versions
belonging to the target release.

   ·   A version of a package whose origin is not the local system
but some other site listed in sources.list(5) and which belongs to an
unstable distribution is only
   installed if it is selected for installation and no version
of the package is already installed."

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 28/07/11 16:48, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20110727_234546, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> The official Debian howto have always been reliable - the signal to
> 
> I cannot find the official Debian howto. 

Why?
Seriously.
I'm sure the writers would love to work out a way to make their work
more accessible - just as many of the readers of this list would
appreciate *not* being asked the same question over and over. Change the
search query I provided to include the last year and see how many times
the exact same question has been asked.

Debian.org => Getting Debian => Installation Guide

Hand holding is one thing - spoon feeding is another.
Before you accuse me of not being helpful please consider the effort
that has been made to write the documentation - and measure it against
the effort you made to read it. The same documentation is available on
any of the install DVDs.

> Can you give a link to it? 

Yes it's with the official documentation:-
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en

> I think you are mistaken about there being an official Debian howto.

I disagree.

> I find many Debian howtos on many topics, many of which are related to
> installing Debian.
> 
>> noise ratio on the larger web is pretty poor (monkey see, monkey copy
>> and paste), especially when search terms are not tuned .
>> eg. to search these lists:-
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&tbs=qdr%3Am%2Clr%3Alang_1en&q=usb+install+site%3Alists.debian.org%2Fdebian-user+-dirk&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
> 
> On my machine, this link brings up pages full of links to individual
> emails in this present discussion. I would not say any of them is
> official Debian, especially the OP text.


"The larger web". (for those who eschew the official documentation)

Meaning that if people are too lazy to look on Debian.org, but motivated
to write to the list - the very least they could do is search the list.
I appreciate that some, for whatever reason, don't know how to do that -
so I've provided a custom search link.  I certainly would have expected
that you wouldn't need that assistance - it was written for search engines.

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