date:20110814

> Scott Ferguson  writes:

[…]

 > To the best of my knowledge Google use geolocation to rank the
 > physical location of servers in the search results - but *not*
 > language. Default language is determined by your choice of Iceweasel
 > language packs, then by system language settings.

… And, sometimes, the browser's own language settings, which are
used to generate the Accept-Language: HTTP/1.1 header contents.

The situation is like the following here.

If I use http://ipv6.google.com/ (which, I assume, is always
served by the US Google servers), then the “Preferred document
language” Lynx option takes effect.  (Examples are MIME'd.)

However, if I use http://www.google.com/ /and/ my preferred
document language is set to “en” (sic.), I get redirected to
http://www.google.ru/ instantly, which is in Russian!

I guess that it was made since the “majority” of users just
cannot be relied upon to configure their browsers properly.
Thus, Accept-Language: en is interpreted as a consuquence of
ignorance, not intent.

[…]

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   Google
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   Веб Картинки Видео Карты Новости Переводчик Gmail ещё »
   Моя страница iGoogle | Настройки | Войти

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  Preferred document language  : de en ru

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Re: Desktop client(Evolution, Thunderbird): Yahoo, ymail, rocketmail IMAP access


On 14/08/11 17:05, yudi v wrote:


For Yahoo the answer is yes, and no. Yahoo provide IMAP access but
try and restrict it to mobile devices that won't run their Zimbra
client. You'll have to make your MUA spoof a mobile device id - and
you'll be on a treadmill...

imap.mail.yahoo.com ; SSL � port 993

My question was specifically relating to Desktop client.


I read the post I replied to - that's what I meant by MUA.


I know that
Yahoo allows IMAP access to mobile devices.


Then have you at least tried setting your MUA to IMAP??



I would like to move away from Zimbra (it's not Yahoo owned anymore),


The commercial version is owned by VMware, the open-source client is not 
owned.



and was curious if any other desktop clients could access Yahoo mail.

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Yahoo will continue to make that difficult. The make their return on the 
"free" email services by taking you to their "web portal", and by 
charging you extra for an email service that works - so don't expect to 
continue to get access.


Any application that can deal with IMAP, can deal with IMAP - the main 
restriction will be IMAP servers (like Yahoo's) that try and restrict 
which platform clients they'll talk to.


See also:- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=493064
and http://www.crasseux.com/linux/

If that's no longer the case, which is likely given yahoo's history of 
providing a similar level of free email service as Hotmail, you'll have 
to change your MUA ID to ("GUID" "1"). And given Yahoo's history of 
corrupting standards - who knows what they'll do next week. This is the 
company who's idea of a sound business model is to charge 1c per email 
to bypass their spam filters...


You could also try the Zindus plugin for Iceweasel or another IMAP 
proxy. Or just forward email to one of the better free email providers 
(gmail, mxmail etc).


Good luck

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Re: removing dummy package

2011-08-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre

On 2011-08-12 15:51:44 +0200, Bonno Bloksma wrote:
> When I want to remove the dummy dhcp3 package, the real isc package also
> gets removed.

Probably because the real package was automatically installed (via the
transition). You should mark it as manually installed first.

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Re: orphan link linux-kbuild-N.N.N in /usr/local/src

2011-08-14 Thread Jerome BENOIT


hello List:

On 13/08/11 08:13, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2011-08-12 09:29 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote:


On 12/08/11 08:08, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2011-08-11 21:10 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote:


On my Debian (Wheezy) boxes, the /usr/src is a link to /usr/local/src ,
/usr and /usr/local being mounted on different partitions.
I guess it is a common practice.


It might be common, but it is not a good practice since /usr/src is
distribution territory.  I.e. Debian packages will overwrite any local
files without warning.


My understand is the /usr/src is an exception: and /usr/src is meant to
to build kernel images.


This is true.
Nevertheless, install Debian some tarballs (kernel sources, modules sources, 
...) in /usr/src :
for practical reasons, I prefer to build my own specific kernel in /usr/src in 
such a way I have
an eye on what is going on.
If I was working in an other folder, I would not noticed the presence of the 
link installed by kbuild.





You can build kernel images anywhere you like, there is no need or
advantage whatsoever to build them under /usr/src.


Second, my set up forced the distribution territory:
on my box: /usr is mounted read only, whereras /usr/local is not.


That does still not explain why you need /usr/src to be writable.

Sven




Jerome



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Re: orphan link linux-kbuild-N.N.N in /usr/local/src

2011-08-14 Thread Jerome BENOIT


Hello List

On 13/08/11 08:24, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2011-08-12 23:54 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote:


If you don't want to do that, use a bind mount rather than a symlink for
/usr/src.  Then the /usr/src/linux-kbuild-3.0.0 symlink will work (but
/usr/local/src/linux-kbuild-3.0.0 will not).



In other words, the issue remains.

Is there a way to ask to the involved package to link via an absolute path 
rather than a relative one ?


Not really, although it might be possible to convert it to absolute
after unpacking if you install a dpkg trigger which does that.


This sound as a dirty trick that I wan to avoid.




May I fill a bug report here ?


Debian policy requires the link to be relative¹, so the Debian kernel
team will not change their packages to accommodate you.


Thanks to remind me this part of the story.

My current understanding is that my set up is not appropriate:
my plan is to remove `/usr/local/src' and to mount `/usr/src'
on its own partition. This will fix the issue, and this will allow
to keep `/usr' mounted read-only and to play as before in `/usr/src'
to build my own specific kernel images.

Thanks for the small discusion,
Jerome



Sven


¹ http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.5





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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:10:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> Google is now forcing their users to use cookies
> 
> IS that your experience for http://www.google.com or whatever one has to
> do to access gmail?

For their search engine, yes. 

(as an aside comment, I also left Gmail's webmail and always try to use 
Mutt instead for accessing into my e-mail account)
 
> I just did a Google search with both JavaScript and cookies disabled
> with no apparent problems. I plead guilty to using WinXP Pro as I've yet
> to find a Linux distro that meets some of my peculiar requirements (i do
> now hereby duck ;)

I neither see "apparent problems" (if by "no apparent problems" we mean 
here that it simple works :-) ) when using Google search, is just that I 
can't get it to work the way I like...

- Can you remove auto-complete? Nope
- Can you get rif off the small preview image? Nope
- Can you instruct Google search to stay in the language you started 
browsing with? Nope

I would have ditched Google search some time ago but I like their addons 
like Image search and News. I wish DuckDuckGo could provide a similar 
facilities...

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Re: [OT] Google search default lang.

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:14 +, Walter Hurry wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:39:18 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> Google is now forcing their users to use cookies
> 
> Not relevant to the original problem I know, but I use
> 
> 

Yep, I know there are many search engines that are feeding from Google 
search results that provide a user-friendly interface, like DuckDuckGo or 
the one you mention... but they still lack from another services I find 
useful (like I said before, Google image search and news, both of which I 
use every day).

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Re: squeeze freeze while copying from camera mem card (via USB)

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:59:20 +0300, Itay wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Using both cards, same camera and connection, on another machine +
>>> lenny doesn't produce this effect either.
>>
>> Does the same card work on you rsqueeze system when using a card
>> reader?
>>
>>
> I don't have a card reader.  I always dumped the photos directly from
> the camera.

And that can be the problem, the camera and not the memory card. Using a 
card reader will help you to discard (or not) a  problem with the camera 
itself.

Besides, have you tried with the rest of the suggestions (re-formatting 
the card, try with another one, copy the content from command 
line...)? :-?

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Re: Installing firmware not available in the kernel

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:25:51 +1000, yudi v wrote:

>> The card seems detected so why not installing the suggested firmware
>> (review the mentioned doc for instructions on how to do this) and check
>> if that works? :-?
>>
>>
>> I am not sure how to do this. 

There has to be some instructions in the docs... let me check it.

(...)

/Documentation/dvb/README.dvb-usb

***
1. How to use?
1.1. Firmware

Most of the USB drivers need to download a firmware to the device before 
start working.

Have a look at the Wikipage for the DVB-USB-drivers to find out, which 
firmware you need for your device:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_USB
***

And we follow that link we can see it explained ("Firmware" section) 
which seems to be just a copy/paste of the blob into "/lib/firmware 
folder". 

> should I just copy dvb-usb-af9015.fw to
> /lib/firmware

Yep, so it seems and afterwards, re-connect the card.

> Or should I install kernel 2.6.34?

I would try first with the firmware... who knows, maybe it works without 
much headache :-)

> To install Kernel 2.6.34 or higher, I believe I need to enable
> backports.

Yep, and is not a task I would recommend to people with no experience in 
linux. And don't take me wrong, I'm using linux since 8 years and I'm 
still very reluctant to update/install a new kernel :-P

> I plan to install nvidia's driver and I had a problem before where every
> time after a kernel update (this was under Ubuntu), nvidia driver would
> break. I don't want to be in the same situation again.

That's the sort of things I meant... things can break and you have to 
know what to do and how to restore them. So before messing up your 
system, you can check if the card works from a LiveCD that has an updated 
kernel (≥2.6.34).

> Once I setup the system I don't want to spend too much time fixing it.
> Whats the best option under this situation?

In order of (my) preference:

1. First, try with the firmware
2. If it does not work, test with a LiveCD

And based on the results you get, you can take whatever action you prefer.

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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:22:27 +0800, H Xu wrote:

> I've installed the latest stable google earth from the google-earth's
> official website, and installed all of the dependencies. However, when
> the google-earth starts up, it doesn't display the earth, but an empty
> black region. Despite this black region, other part of google earth
> works well.

What if you run it from command line? Are there any complaints?

> It might be caused by something related to Qt or OpenGL, but Stellarium,
> which is also based on Qt and OpenGL, works well for me.

As Scott pointed out, Google Earth needs a capable 3D card and their 
corresponding 3D drivers. Check if you have all this in order :-)

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Re: squeeze freeze while copying from camera mem card (via USB)

El 2011-08-13 a las 21:54 +0300, Itay escribió:

(resending to the list)

> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>> Does it happen when copying the files using GUI-based tools (like
>> nautilus or dolphin) or it also happens when you use MC or console?
>
> It happens using command line.

Oops, then it can be related to the USB stack (USB kernel driver).

>> Mmm... the card can be wrong, you may think in replacing it or
>> reformat :-?
>
> Since it works with a different card, this is indeed an option.
> But if I'll do it I'll lose the oppurtunity to debug the situation.

If the card is bad, there is no need for further debugging ;-)

I doubt a formatting is going to work but who knows... I would 
try it, anyway.

> The main frustrating thing is that I can't monitor the situation once it 
> developes because I lose the keyboard and mouse.

It can be a kernel soft-lock.

> Any suggestions which log files I should check?
> Debug options to turn on?

/var/log/syslog can hold information about the lock, but it depends... 
have you tried to connect via SSH from another machine when the system 
freezes?

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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:22 PM, H Xu  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've installed the latest stable google earth from the google-earth's
> official website, and installed all of the dependencies. However, when the
> google-earth starts up, it doesn't display the earth, but an empty black
> region. Despite this black region, other part of google earth works well.

In my case, what fixed that was installation of nvidia-glx-ia32.

Patrick


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Re: LVM write performance

2011-08-14 Thread Dion Kant

On 08/14/2011 09:14 AM, Dion Kant wrote:
> The good and problematic block sizes do not really coincide with the
> ones I observe with dd, but the odd behaviour is there.
When testing on Linux kernel 2.6.37.6-0.5-xen, I found that a sync()
call did not give any guarantee that the buffers are actually written to
disk.  This forced me to start using writing through a file descriptor
so I can use fsync() to determine the moment where the data is really
written to disk. Now the results coincide with the ones obtained with
dd. It is obvious that dd will use file descriptors as well. Forget
about the previous results, they will be wrong because of libgcc stream
buffering and I did not check how these buffers are actually written to
kernel space.

Now I obtain:

dom0-2:~ # ./bw
Writing 1 GB
 bs timerate
   (bytes)   (s)   (MiB/s)
   128   66.6928   16.0998
   256   57.1125   18.8005
   51257.219   18.7655
  1024   56.6571   18.9516
  2048   55.5829   19.3179
  4096   14.9638   71.7558
  8192   15.6889   68.4395
 16384   16.3382   65.7197
 32768   15.2223   70.5372
 65536   15.2356   70.4757
131072   15.2417   70.4474
262144   16.4634   65.2201
524288   15.2347   70.4802

Best result is obtained with Stan's golden rule bs=4096 and a lot of
interrupts when the bs is not an integral multiple of 4096.

int fd = open("/dev/sdb4", O_WRONLY | O_APPEND);

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Re: Leafnode is refusing remote connections

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:13:09 -0300, Daniel Bareiro wrote:

> I recently migrated my Leafnode server to a OpenVZ virtual machine. 
  ^^
(...)

VM usually provide different kind of networking options (NATed, bridged, 
host-only...) that may restrict the scope of the guest machine to the 
rest of the network hosts/devices.

(...)

> Which may be why Leafnode believes that IP is outside the local network?

The VM network setup. I would start from that.

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Re: Installing firmware not available in the kernel

2011-08-14 Thread Wolodja Wentland

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 14:25 +1000, yudi v wrote:
> I plan to install nvidia's driver and I had a problem before where every time
> after a kernel update (this was under Ubuntu), nvidia driver would break. I
> don't want to be in the same situation again.
>  
> Once I setup the system I don't want to spend too much time fixing it. Whats
> the best option under this situation?

Camaleón told you what you need to get your device running, but I just want to
mention that the problem you describe above is due to the fact that the nvidia
kernel module needs to be compiled for every kernel.

That means that you either have to compile it yourself when you install a new
kernel or have this triggered automatically whenever you tinker with the
installed kernels. Luckily the DKMS infrastructure does this for you, which
means that you can just install:

nvidia-kernel-dkms

and the module will be recompiled whenever needed. Note that this may not work
with backported kernels.
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Re: LVM write performance

2011-08-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 8/14/2011 2:14 AM, Dion Kant wrote:
> On 08/13/2011 03:55 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> My explanation to you wasn't fully correct.  I confused specifying no
>> block size with specifying an insanely large block size.  The other post
>> I was referring to dealt with people using a 1GB (or larger) block size
>> because it made the math easier for them when wanting to write a large
>> test file.
> Ok, that makes sense. It is the large specified bs which make the dd is
> going to buffer the data first.

Yep, it's really dramatic on machines with low memory due to swapping.
When I first tested this phenomenon with a 1GB dd block size on my
machine with only 384 MB RAM and a 1GB swap partition, it took many
minutes to complete, vs tens of seconds using a 4kB block size.  Almost
all of the 2GB of test was being pushed into swap, then being read from
swap and written to the file-- swap and file on the same physical disk.
 This is one of the reasons I keep this old machine around--problems of
this nature show up more quickly and are more easily identified.

>> Instead of dividing their total file size by 4096 and using the result
>> for "bs=4096 count=X" (which is the proper method I described to you)
>> they were simply specifying, for example, "bs=2G count=1" to write a 2
>> GB test file.  Doing this causes the massive buffering I described, and
>> consequently, horrible performance, typically by a factor of 10 or more,
>> depending on the specific system.
>>
>> The horrible performance with bs=512 is likely due to the LVM block size
>> being 4096, and forcing block writes that are 1/8th normal size, causing
>> lots of merging.  If you divide 120MB/s by 8 you get 15MB/s, which IIRC
>> from your original post, is approximately the write performance you were
>> seeing, which was 19MB/s.
> Recall that I took LVM out of the loop already. So now I am doing the
> experiment with writing data straight to the block device. In my case
> /dev/sdb4. (If writing on the block device level does not perform, how
> will LVM be able to perform?)
> 
> Inspired by your advice, I did some more investigation on this. I wrote
> a small test program, i.e. taking dd out of the loop as well. It writes
> 1 GB test data with increasing block sizes directly to /dev/sdb4. Here
> are some results:
> 
> root@dom0-2:~# ./bw
> Writing 1 GB
>  bs timerate
>(bytes)   (s)   (MiB/s)
>  185.476   12.5619
>  233.016   32.5218
>  4   23.6675   45.3679
>  820.112   53.3881
> 16 18.76   57.2356
> 3217.872   60.0795
> 6417.636   60.8834
>12817.096   62.8064
>25617.188   62.4704
>512   16.8482   63.7303
>   1024   57.6053   18.6396
>   2048 57.9418.532
>   409617.016   63.1019
>   819216.604   64.6675
>  1638416.452   65.2649
>  3276817.132   62.6748
>  6553616.25666.052
> 131072 16.44   65.3127
> 26214416.264   66.0194
> 52428816.388   65.5199

The dips at 1024 & 2048 are strange, but not entirely unexpected.

> The good and problematic block sizes do not really coincide with the
> ones I observe with dd, but the odd behaviour is there. There are some
> magic block sizes {1,1024, 2048} which cause a drop in performance.
> Looking at vmstat output at the same time I see unexpected bi and the
> interrupt rate goes sky high.
> 
> In my case it is the ahci driver handling the writes. Here is the vmstat
> trace belonging to the bs=1 write and I add some more observations below:

Yeah, every platform will have quirks.

> procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system--
> cpu
>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy
> id wa
>  0  0  0 6379780  23820 11261600 0 0   78   82  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6379780  23820 11261600 0 0   77   80  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6379780  23820 11261600 0 0   79   80  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6379780  23820 11261600 0 0   78   82  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6379780  23820 11261600 0 0   76   80  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6379780  23820 11261600 0 0   77   83  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6379780  23820 11261600 0 0   75   80  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6379780  23820 11261600 0 0   82   82  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6379780  23820 11261600 0 0   90   93  0  0
> 100  0
>  1  0  0 6376796  27132 11252400   828 4  400  531  0  0
> 100  0
>  1  0  0 6346416  57496 11256000  7590 0 2408 3877  5  0
> 92  3
>  1  0  0 6315788  88048 11258000  7638 0 2435 3903  7  0
> 90  3
>  1  1  0 6284416 118548 11254000  7624 0 2428 3903  6  0
> 91  3
>  1  0  0 6253168 148896 11256400  7586 0 2403 3875  6  0
> 91  3
>  1  0  0

Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:21:09 -0400
Patrick Wiseman  wrote:

Hello Patrick,

> In my case, what fixed that was installation of nvidia-glx-ia32.

That was the one that worked for me, too.  If you hadn't said anything,
I wouldn't have known where to look next.  Thanks.

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Re: LVM write performance

2011-08-14 Thread Dion Kant

On 08/14/2011 01:23 PM, Dion Kant wrote:
> Forget
> about the previous results, they will be wrong because of libgcc stream
> buffering and I did not check how these buffers are actually written to
> kernel space.
libgcc uses writev to write out an array of buffers to kernel space

User bs  Actual bs
   18191
   28192
   48192
   88192
  168192
  328192
  648192
 1288192
 2568192
 5128192
10241024
20482048
40964096
81928192

Except for writing single user bytes, libgcc does a good job in gathering the 
data into buffers with an integral buffer size of 8192 bytes. From a user bs of 
1024 and further, it sticks to this buffer size for writing the data to kernel 
space. So that explains the results I obtained with the write method of 
ofstream. For all cases the kernel is addressed with a buffer size which is an 
integral multiple of 4096 the performance is good.

I think the one to less buffer size for the single byte case provides an option 
for improvement of libgcc.

Dion

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Re: [OT] Google search default lang.


On 20/06/11 01:55, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

Using Google search always returns my results in Spanish because Google
has figured out that my ISP is in a Spanish speaking country. But I want
the results in US Eglish and always have to do an extra mouse click on
'Google.com in English'

Apparently Google does not record that I always click on that and
adjusts the default language.

Anybody know how to set the default language for search?

Hugo




Another suggestion - I've made a search plugin for Iceweasel you can 
try, please post some feedback (and check your geolocation settings).

http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?author=Scott+Ferguson
It *should* over-ride any other settings. It include SSL and disables 
search suggestions (but not auto-complete, still working on that).


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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]


On 14/08/11 19:20, � wrote:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:10:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


Camaleón wrote:


(...)


Google is now forcing their users to use cookies


Google has used cookies since day one. They're not needed for searching.
Edit => Preferences => Privacy => In the history section use the 
drop-down bar to select Custom => untick both of the cookies boxes.


You will need first party cookies for gmail and other services - there's 
no other way to provide the functionality requires (javascript doesn't 
do "back").





IS that your experience for http://www.google.com or whatever one has to
do to access gmail?


For their search engine, yes.

(as an aside comment, I also left Gmail's webmail and always try to use
Mutt instead for accessing into my e-mail account)


I just did a Google search with both JavaScript and cookies disabled
with no apparent problems. I plead guilty to using WinXP Pro as I've yet
to find a Linux distro that meets some of my peculiar requirements (i do
now hereby duck ;)


I neither see "apparent problems" (if by "no apparent problems" we mean
here that it simple works :-) ) when using Google search, is just that I
can't get it to work the way I like...

- Can you remove auto-complete? Nope


"Apparently" it's still possible in preferences - but preferences 
requires you to be logged into iGoogle, which counts as no (for me).

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0 no longer seems to work :-(
Maybe if it annoyed me sufficiently I'd work out how to kill it (it's 
only javascript).




- Can you get rif off the small preview image? Nope


Do you mean those annoying mouse-over javascript pop-ups page previews?
xul-ext-noscript fixes that.


- Can you instruct Google search to stay in the language you started
browsing with? Nope


I believe you can. Use one of the Mycroft search plugins:-
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/google-search-plugins.html

Please try one and provide some feedback. There are a few about:config 
search setting in Iceweasel that include %LOCALE% in the URI, and I've 
yet to fully understand all of them. If what you want is not there (in 
Mycroft search plugins) - let me know what language, search locality, 
and country, etc are required and I'll put one up (when I get some more 
time).


Make sure you turn off geolocation in Iceweasel to rule out problems there:-
about:config => geo.


I would have ditched Google search some time ago but I like their addons
like Image search and News. I wish DuckDuckGo could provide a similar
facilities...

Greetings,



Try Blekko - it's pretty good too. (anything but Bling)

Cheers

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[Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?


Hey list

Just a quick query about releasing swap space.  On occasion according to 
Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes 
gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for usenet.


Is there any value/ harm in releasing this space using something like:

swapoff -a && swapon -a [1]

Thanks for your opinions.

AG


[1] found on the web, but not AFAIK Debian specific


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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64


On 14/08/11 07:07, Scott Ferguson wrote:



Either method will give you a black screen with the proprietary Nvidia 
drivers, unless the linux OpenGL library is also installed (from 
experience).
If you have Nvidia proprietary drives try installing mesa-utils and 
see if they require anything else installed - the "anything else" is 
what is required to unblack googleearth (you don't need mesa-utils).


Cheers



Does this apply to the nouveau driver as well, or will GE work fine with 
this?


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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:01:55 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

> On 14/08/11 19:20, � wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:10:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>>> Camaleón wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
 Google is now forcing their users to use cookies
> 
> Google has used cookies since day one. 

Not as agressively as it is doing now. 

Cookies were used -and are sill used- for tracking users and displaying 
adds (which I find it okay) but I've never had  to use a specific URI for 
Google to look like it was used to. As Google has been adding more and 
more services it also has started to be more and more strict to what they 
services have to look like.

> They're not needed for searching.

Oh, of course. If I would have needed cookies for a simple search I would 
have ditched Google since years :-)

> Edit => Preferences => Privacy => In the history section use the
> drop-down bar to select Custom => untick both of the cookies boxes.

And what you get with that setting turned on? 

I don't care about tracking, I allow all cookies for all of the sites, is 
just that I delete them when I close the browser because I don't want my 
browser get bloated in the next months.

> You will need first party cookies for gmail and other services - there's
> no other way to provide the functionality requires (javascript doesn't
> do "back").

Again, allowing cookies is not a problem for me.

>> I neither see "apparent problems" (if by "no apparent problems" we mean
>> here that it simple works :-) ) when using Google search, is just that
>> I can't get it to work the way I like...
>>
>> - Can you remove auto-complete? Nope
> 
> "Apparently" it's still possible in preferences - but preferences
> requires you to be logged into iGoogle, which counts as no (for me).

Exactly! How in the hell would I need to "login" in a web search engine 
for getting such option? That's no-sense.

> http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0 no longer seems to work :-( Maybe
> if it annoyed me sufficiently I'd work out how to kill it (it's only
> javascript).

"complete=0" works for me.

>> - Can you get rif off the small preview image? Nope
> 
> Do you mean those annoying mouse-over javascript pop-ups page previews?
> xul-ext-noscript fixes that.

I know there are many addons to avoid that but I neither want to keep my 
browser full of third-party addons... an addon to fix each of the things 
Google breaks? No, thanks, better fix Google >:-)

>> - Can you instruct Google search to stay in the language you started
>> browsing with? Nope
> 
> I believe you can. Use one of the Mycroft search plugins:-
> http://mycroft.mozdev.org/google-search-plugins.html
>
> Please try one and provide some feedback. There are a few about:config
> search setting in Iceweasel that include %LOCALE% in the URI, and I've
> yet to fully understand all of them. If what you want is not there (in
> Mycroft search plugins) - let me know what language, search locality,
> and country, etc are required and I'll put one up (when I get some more
> time).
> 
> Make sure you turn off geolocation in Iceweasel to rule out problems
> there:- about:config => geo.

But I don't want to be plenty of addons! And what happens when you are 
not in your computer or you use more than one browser? You have to care 
about getting every addon to fix Google services just to have a happy 
browsing? Nooope, not me. I'm not going to waste my time on that. When I 
feel tired enough of what Google provides I will just do the same I did 
with their webmail and use another MUA, so in this case, I'll use another 
search engine.

>> I would have ditched Google search some time ago but I like their
>> addons like Image search and News. I wish DuckDuckGo could provide a
>> similar facilities...
>>
> Try Blekko - it's pretty good too. (anything but Bling)

Looks nice and also search for images. Thanks, I will add it to my 
bookmarks, very next to the Google entry...

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Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

> AG   writes:

 > Just a quick query about releasing swap space.  On occasion according to
 > Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes
 > gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for
 > usenet.

 > Is there any value/ harm in releasing this space using something like:

 > swapoff -a && swapon -a [1]

Without the context, I see neither harm nor value in doing that.

However, if there was some task which used a lot of virtual
memory, thus forcing the other tasks' pages to be moved to swap,
doing that will bring those pages back to RAM, which may improve
the future responsiveness of the system.  (Up to the time when
such a memory-hungry task is run again; say, a Web browser with
a few dozens of graphically-rich pages in the tabs.)

 > Thanks for your opinions.

 > [1] found on the web, but not AFAIK Debian specific

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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64


On 14/08/11 22:52, AG wrote:

On 14/08/11 07:07, Scott Ferguson wrote:



Either method will give you a black screen with the proprietary Nvidia
drivers, unless the linux OpenGL library is also installed (from
experience).
If you have Nvidia proprietary drives try installing mesa-utils and
see if they require anything else installed - the "anything else" is
what is required to unblack googleearth (you don't need mesa-utils).

Cheers



Does this apply to the nouveau driver as well, or will GE work fine with
this?

AG




Googleearth requires OpenGL - I'd only be guessing if I said the nouveau 
driver uses the same ones (though I suspect it does).


*Perhaps some kind person who uses the nouveau driver and googleearth* 
could give you the output of:-

dpkg --get-selections
and you could look for the missing OpenGL libraries...

From memory you said you're running Wheezy so there may be more than 
just nouveau differences with my builds (I run Squeeze KDEs).

dpkg --get-selections | grep mesa | grep -v dev
libgl1-mesa-dri install
libgl1-mesa-glx install
libglu1-mesainstall

I don't know you DE or sys info tools - if you install mesa-utils you can:-
$ scott@work:~$ glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering'
direct rendering: Yes

I which case googleearth should work. I suspect it may (ge) have the 
same requirements as marble - which is another way you could try 
tracking down you requirements (it's also a very sweet application - 
sort of FOSS googleearth).


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Re: Desktop client(Evolution, Thunderbird): Yahoo, ymail, rocketmail IMAP access

2011-08-14 Thread John L. Cunningham

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 05:05:46PM +1000, yudi v wrote:
> 
> I would like to move away from Zimbra (it's not Yahoo owned anymore), and was
> curious if any other desktop clients could access Yahoo mail.

It works well enough with Mutt. Yahoo does tend to disconnect the IMAP session 
if I dawdle. It's probably something I could fix by changing the keepalive 
setting, but I haven't found it worth looking into.
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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

2011-08-14 Thread H Xu


On 2011/8/14 14:07, Scott Ferguson wrote:

Either method will give you a black screen with the proprietary Nvidia
drivers, unless the linux OpenGL library is also installed (from
experience).
If you have Nvidia proprietary drives try installing mesa-utils and see
if they require anything else installed - the "anything else" is what is
required to unblack googleearth (you don't need mesa-utils).

Cheers




I don't know which package could unblack googleearth, I've installed 
mesa-utils and using nvidia proprietary drives. I don't know how to 
figure out what the package is. Could anyone offer me some help? Thanks.


Hong Xu
2011/8/14


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Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:51:07 +0100, AG wrote:

> Just a quick query about releasing swap space.  On occasion according to
> Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes
> gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for
> usenet.

What's your amount of physical ram?
 
> Is there any value/ harm in releasing this space using something like:
> 
> swapoff -a && swapon -a [1]

(...)

No harm, but no need to do it neither, unless you have a specific 
requirement. Swap usage is up to the kernel, just let it to manage as it 
desires (remember the kernel's law: "unused memory is wasted memory").

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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]


On 14/08/11 23:31, � wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:01:55 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:


On 14/08/11 19:20, � wrote:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:10:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


Camaleón wrote:


(...)


Google is now forcing their users to use cookies


Google has used cookies since day one.


Not as agressively as it is doing now.


Mea culpa - I thought that comment was made by Richard...



Cookies were used -and are sill used- for tracking users and displaying
adds (which I find it okay) but I've never had  to use a specific URI for
Google to look like it was used to.


It's annoying - some of the Google people are very responsive, and other 
are downright obtuse.


Politely letting them know you miss the functionality helps - Sagar 
Kamdar and Matt Dunn are very nice, , smart, responsive, and helpful 
(and influential). They understand tipping points and the importance of 
keeping bleeding edge adopters happy. *You* should find a friendly ear 
there ;-p :-D



As Google has been adding more and
more services it also has started to be more and more strict to what they
services have to look like.


Some of that is understandable as the products leave beta and have to be 
supported better (the Ned and Chav factor). But they could give us the 
choice to between beta testing products with choices, or using the 
stricter production products (closing the labs is one of my biggest 
complaints).





They're not needed for searching.


Oh, of course. If I would have needed cookies for a simple search I would
have ditched Google since years :-)


Edit =>  Preferences =>  Privacy =>  In the history section use the
drop-down bar to select Custom =>  untick both of the cookies boxes.


And what you get with that setting turned on?


No cookies. Which don't bother me - I clear them at the start of new 
sessions (and I never install flash, so flash cookies are not an option).




I don't care about tracking, I allow all cookies for all of the sites, is
just that I delete them when I close the browser because I don't want my
browser get bloated in the next months.


You will need first party cookies for gmail and other services - there's
no other way to provide the functionality requires (javascript doesn't
do "back").


Again, allowing cookies is not a problem for me.


I neither see "apparent problems" (if by "no apparent problems" we mean
here that it simple works :-) ) when using Google search, is just that
I can't get it to work the way I like...

- Can you remove auto-complete? Nope


"Apparently" it's still possible in preferences - but preferences
requires you to be logged into iGoogle, which counts as no (for me).


Exactly! How in the hell would I need to "login" in a web search engine
for getting such option? That's no-sense.


If we could set those options in a plain text file... oh wait - that's 
like cookies :-D
Seriously - most of the privacy concerns Google users have would 
evaporate if Google cookies were renamed Google preference and stored 
~/.google_prefs with human readable values like:-

autocomplete=off
autosuggest=off
etc, etc.




http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0 no longer seems to work :-( Maybe
if it annoyed me sufficiently I'd work out how to kill it (it's only
javascript).


"complete=0" works for me.


When I next have time to create some more Mycroft search plugins I'll 
try embedding that.





- Can you get rif off the small preview image? Nope


Do you mean those annoying mouse-over javascript pop-ups page previews?
xul-ext-noscript fixes that.


I know there are many addons to avoid that but I neither want to keep my
browser full of third-party addons... an addon to fix each of the things
Google breaks? No, thanks, better fix Google>:-)


NoScript (and that's the Debian build) is the single most useful 
Iceweasel plugin (IMNSHO). AdBlock_Plus'd be the second.





- Can you instruct Google search to stay in the language you started
browsing with? Nope


I believe you can. Use one of the Mycroft search plugins:-
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/google-search-plugins.html

Please try one and provide some feedback. There are a few about:config
search setting in Iceweasel that include %LOCALE% in the URI, and I've
yet to fully understand all of them. If what you want is not there (in
Mycroft search plugins) - let me know what language, search locality,
and country, etc are required and I'll put one up (when I get some more
time).

Make sure you turn off geolocation in Iceweasel to rule out problems
there:- about:config =>  geo.


But I don't want to be plenty of addons! And what happens when you are
not in your computer or you use more than one browser? You have to care
about getting every addon to fix Google services just to have a happy
browsing? Nooope, not me. I'm not going to waste my time on that. When I
feel tired enough of what Google provides I will just do the same I did
with their webmail and use another MUA, so in this case, I'll use another
search engine.


I use two exte

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

On 14/08/11 14:35, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

AG  writes:

  >  Just a quick query about releasing swap space.  On occasion according to
  >  Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes
  >  gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for
  >  usenet.

  >  Is there any value/ harm in releasing this space using something like:

  >  swapoff -a&&  swapon -a [1]

Without the context, I see neither harm nor value in doing that.

However, if there was some task which used a lot of virtual
memory, thus forcing the other tasks' pages to be moved to swap,
doing that will bring those pages back to RAM, which may improve
the future responsiveness of the system.  (Up to the time when
such a memory-hungry task is run again; say, a Web browser with
a few dozens of graphically-rich pages in the tabs.)

  >  Thanks for your opinions.

  >  [1] found on the web, but not AFAIK Debian specific

Thank you for that, Ivan.

I have recently switched to Xfce4 on Stable from Gnome because the 
latter was quite a memory hog and seemed to retain pages in swap until I 
logged/ rebooted.  Xfce4 fortunately doesn't do this, but I did notice 
that after using Swiftfox I was finding that 3% usage of swap didn't 
clear when I closed the app.  This set me to wondering how much control 
I could exert and even should exert over swap's content.

Are you able to confirm whether the code given previously is accurate 
*and* safe should I want to pursue clearing swap on the fly?

Cheers

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Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?


On 14/08/11 15:27, Camaleón wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:51:07 +0100, AG wrote:


Just a quick query about releasing swap space.  On occasion according to
Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes
gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for
usenet.


Hi Camaleón

Good to hear from you.


What's your amount of physical ram?



My hard ram is 3 GB (2.84 to be exact) and I gave the same amount to 
swap when I initially partitioned the HDD.

Is there any value/ harm in releasing this space using something like:

swapoff -a&&  swapon -a [1]

(...)

No harm, but no need to do it neither, unless you have a specific
requirement. Swap usage is up to the kernel, just let it to manage as it
desires (remember the kernel's law: "unused memory is wasted memory").


I wasn't aware of that law.  Thanks for the info ;-)

My response to Ivan crossed yours, so if there's no value and I also run 
the risk of meddling with the kernel's affairs, it seems wise to leave 
well enough alone, unless I have a specific need to do so and the usage 
has accumulated.


Cheers

AG

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Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:37:34 +0100, AG wrote:

> On 14/08/11 15:27, Camaleón wrote:

>> What's your amount of physical ram?
>>
>>
> My hard ram is 3 GB (2.84 to be exact) and I gave the same amount to
> swap when I initially partitioned the HDD.

That's a fair amount of ram... I wonder why your system is in the need of 
making use of swap.

>>> Is there any value/ harm in releasing this space using something like:
>>>
>>> swapoff -a&&  swapon -a [1]
>> (...)
>>
>> No harm, but no need to do it neither, unless you have a specific
>> requirement. Swap usage is up to the kernel, just let it to manage as
>> it desires (remember the kernel's law: "unused memory is wasted
>> memory").
> 
> I wasn't aware of that law.  Thanks for the info ;-)
> 
> My response to Ivan crossed yours, so if there's no value and I also run
> the risk of meddling with the kernel's affairs, it seems wise to leave
> well enough alone, unless I have a specific need to do so and the usage
> has accumulated.

I would investigate why 3 GiB is not enough, maybe there is a background 
app that is (ab)using too much ram for any reason :-?

It just happened to me something similar a couple of days ago, but on a 
server that has 8 GiB of RAM (and 1 GiB of swap). I was copying a big 
file (~37 GiB) over the network from a windows client to the samba server 
and when it finished, I realized the server was using a small amount of 
swap (¿?) and kept it so until the next day when the server was started 
again :-)

So, who is going to say that a "/swap" partition is going to be needed 
with 8 GiB of RAM? I wouldn't, I just thought kernel makes use of all of 
the available resources are allocates them to get the best performance. 
Meaning: if you have available resources (i.e., unused swap) they will be 
used.

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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:39:05 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

> On 14/08/11 23:31, � wrote:
 ^
You're still with the black diamond issue :-P

>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:01:55 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

>>> Google has used cookies since day one.
>>
>> Not as agressively as it is doing now.
> 
> Mea culpa - I thought that comment was made by Richard...

Yep, it was me. 

My relation with Google is now very distant and cold. But it's not just 
me who thinks in that way, the web is full of complaints about this new 
Google policy of "use our services like we want to be used or fly away".
 
>> Cookies were used -and are sill used- for tracking users and displaying
>> adds (which I find it okay) but I've never had  to use a specific URI
>> for Google to look like it was used to.
> 
> It's annoying - some of the Google people are very responsive, and other
> are downright obtuse.
> 
> Politely letting them know you miss the functionality helps - Sagar
> Kamdar and Matt Dunn are very nice, , smart, responsive, and helpful
> (and influential). They understand tipping points and the importance of
> keeping bleeding edge adopters happy. *You* should find a friendly ear
> there ;-p :-D

I will take note. But again, Google forums are full of unger users about 
this:

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en#sclient=psy&hl=en&complete=0&site=webhp&source=hp&q=google+disable+autocomplete&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=43b3d7638083a689&biw=1280&bih=888
http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en#sclient=psy&hl=en&complete=0&site=webhp&source=hp&q=google+disable+instant+preview&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=43b3d7638083a689&biw=1280&bih=888

It's hard to believe they are not aware of this >>>:-)
 
>> As Google has been adding more and
>> more services it also has started to be more and more strict to what
>> they services have to look like.
> 
> Some of that is understandable as the products leave beta and have to be
> supported better (the Ned and Chav factor). But they could give us the
> choice to between beta testing products with choices, or using the
> stricter production products (closing the labs is one of my biggest
> complaints).

But Google search is not in a Beta stage, right? ;-)
 
>>> Edit =>  Preferences =>  Privacy =>  In the history section use the
>>> drop-down bar to select Custom =>  untick both of the cookies boxes.
>>
>> And what you get with that setting turned on?
> 
> No cookies. Which don't bother me - I clear them at the start of new
> sessions (and I never install flash, so flash cookies are not an
> option).

Ah, okay, you are doing the same as me with the flash exception (I have 
it installed, but hope the flash plugin can be finally removed from the 
face of the Earth as soon as possible :-P).

 - Can you remove auto-complete? Nope
>>>
>>> "Apparently" it's still possible in preferences - but preferences
>>> requires you to be logged into iGoogle, which counts as no (for me).
>>
>> Exactly! How in the hell would I need to "login" in a web search engine
>> for getting such option? That's no-sense.
> 
> If we could set those options in a plain text file... oh wait - that's
> like cookies :-D
> Seriously - most of the privacy concerns Google users have would
> evaporate if Google cookies were renamed Google preference and stored
> ~/.google_prefs with human readable values like:- autocomplete=off
> autosuggest=off
> etc, etc.

True is that I don't care about they track me. They provide a free 
service and have to make money from "something". Google adds are annoying 
but not the ones we encounter when using Google search, I find most 
annoying the adds that another sites are using in their web pages because 
they are not very well identified and clicking on them by mistake is very 
easy.

 - Can you get rif off the small preview image? Nope
>>>
>>> Do you mean those annoying mouse-over javascript pop-ups page
>>> previews? xul-ext-noscript fixes that.
>>
>> I know there are many addons to avoid that but I neither want to keep
>> my browser full of third-party addons... an addon to fix each of the
>> things Google breaks? No, thanks, better fix Google>:-)
> 
> NoScript (and that's the Debian build) is the single most useful
> Iceweasel plugin (IMNSHO). AdBlock_Plus'd be the second.

I will have to review it.
 
>> But I don't want to be plenty of addons! And what happens when you are
>> not in your computer or you use more than one browser? You have to care
>> about getting every addon to fix Google services just to have a happy
>> browsing? Nooope, not me. I'm not going to waste my time on that. When
>> I feel tired enough of what Google provides I will just do the same I
>> did with their webmail and use another MUA, so in this case, I'll use
>> another search engine.
> 
> I use two extensions and one search plugin - they live on a gmail
> account, so I install them where ever I use a browser. Generally I have
> access to my own machine - otherwise I've got USB keys (I pre

Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64


On 14/08/11 13:22, H Xu wrote:

Hello,

I've installed the latest stable google earth from the google-earth's
official website, and installed all of the dependencies. However, when
the google-earth starts up, it doesn't display the earth, but an empty
black region. Despite this black region, other part of google earth
works well.

It might be caused by something related to Qt or OpenGL, but Stellarium,
which is also based on Qt and OpenGL, works well for me.

I'm using Kernel 3.0.

Wish anyone could offer me some help.

Thanks for your patience and time.

Regards,
H Xu
08/14/2011




Kernel 3.0 - does that mean you're running Sid??

Did:-
$ glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering'
give "yes"?

If so, do you get any error messages when you launch googleearth from 
CLI? eg:-

$ googleearth

If so, did you get any warning when you build the nvidia drivers?
Anything in the build log?
eg:-
$ cat /var/log/nvidia-installer.log | less
or
$ cat /var/log/nvidia-installer.log | grep -i fail


How did you disable nouveau?

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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:20:03 +0800
H Xu  wrote:

Hello H,

> I don't know which package could unblack googleearth, I've installed 
> mesa-utils and using nvidia proprietary drives. I don't know how to 
> figure out what the package is. Could anyone offer me some help?

mesa-utils and/or dependencies didn't work for me.  I suggest you try
Patrick's suggestion of the nvidia-glx-ia32 packages.

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Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

> AG   writes:
> On 14/08/11 14:35, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
> AG   writes:

[…]

 > I have recently switched to Xfce4 on Stable from Gnome because the
 > latter was quite a memory hog and seemed to retain pages in swap
 > until I logged/ rebooted.

The pages that stay longer in the swap are the pages that are
used less frequently.

 > Xfce4 fortunately doesn't do this, but I did notice that after using
 > Swiftfox I was finding that 3% usage of swap didn't clear when I
 > closed the app.

These are likely to be the pages belonging to some “sleeping”
processes.

 > This set me to wondering how much control I could exert and even
 > should exert over swap's content.

 > Are you able to confirm whether the code given previously is accurate
 > *and* safe should I want to pursue clearing swap on the fly?

The code in question is only safe if there's enough free RAM to
load all the swapped pages into.

Otherwise, OOM madness may ensue.

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Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

> Camaleón   writes:

[…]

 > So, who is going to say that a "/swap" partition is going to be
 > needed with 8 GiB of RAM?  I wouldn't, I just thought kernel makes
 > use of all of the available resources are allocates them to get the
 > best performance.  Meaning: if you have available resources (i.e.,
 > unused swap) they will be used.

When preparing some files to be written to a DVD+R, I'd usually
put them to /tmp/.  The total volume of the files in such a case
may easily exceed the amount of the physical RAM I have on the
host, so the swap gets used.

IOW, I consider swap to be not only the disk space that gets
used in the case there's insufficient physical RAM, but also the
space that I can easily use for temporary files.

Therefore, it's my preference, and everlasting recommendation,
to have about 3% of the disk space allocated for swap.

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Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread Javier Vasquez

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 6:51 AM, AG  wrote:
> Hey list
>
> Just a quick query about releasing swap space.  On occasion according to
> Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes gets
> used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for usenet.
>
> Is there any value/ harm in releasing this space using something like:
>
> swapoff -a && swapon -a [1]
>
> Thanks for your opinions.
>
> AG
>
>
> [1] found on the web, but not AFAIK Debian specific

If your intend is to try minimizing swapping, trying to keep in RAM as
much as possible, why not using the swappiness kernel configuration?

See:

% 'grep' swap /etc/sysctl.conf
# Start looking at using swap only when ram has that % left.
vm.swappiness=6

That means, attempt to start using swap only when there's 6% remaining
free RAM.  Now, it's NOT guaranteed that's what the kernel will do,
it's just a hint.  You can look on the web for swappiness, you'll find
all kind of blogs and comments...

That might help minimize the use of swap area...

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SOLVED: System crash when swithing to text-console

2011-08-14 Thread Martin Lorenz

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It WAS the KernelModeSet ...

The moment I got the i915 driver to properly initialize it's framebuffer
during bootup everything was fine again.

Problem was, that the i915 driver was in the initramfs but did not
correctly initialize the console-framebuffer there. So when bootup got
to initialize the console-framebuffer in the post-initramfs phase the
module had already been loaded.

this page gave the essential hint:
http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/11/02/howto-enabling-kernel-mode-setting-kms-in-debian-linux-kernel/

greez
mlo

Am 10.08.2011 16:07, schrieb Camaleón:
> On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:46:09 +0200, Martin Lorenz wrote:
> 
>> Am 08.08.2011 17:23, schrieb Camaleón:
>>> On Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:54:09 +0200, Martin Lorenz wrote:
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
 The misery begins as soon as you try to switch from X to console
 either by Ctrl-Alt-F1 or induced by system shutdown

 the monitor goes black and the sysem will not react to any input not
 even to SysReq Keys
>>>
>>> How about ssh? Can you still login via shh?
>>>
>>>
>> nope
>> all running ssh-sessions to that machine freeze the moment it tries to
>> switch to console.
>>
>> I had some tail -f's running in ssh-sessions on
>> /var/log/{debug|messages|Xorg.0.log}
>> All I see is the "shutdown" Broadcast message and Log-entries. Nothing
>> more.
> 
> Then it can be royaly freezing (a soft kernel freeze) not just X. If you 
> get no useful logs, you may need a second computer attached to one of the 
> serial ports of your main system (the one that crashes) to catch 
> something...
> 
 after about a minute or so the system powers off and immediately on
 again to boot up normally (with the usual warning about HDs not having
 been unpountet properly)

 I have no idea so far as to where I should start investigating. The
 logs don't show any abnormality as far as I can say.
>>>
>>> Maybe something related to the VGA card driver or KMS... is there
>>> something interesting in the logs ("/var/log/syslog" or "/var/log/
>>> Xorg.0.log")?
>>>
>>>
>> No, at least nothing that seems even vaguely related to the crash.
> 
> What VGA driver are you using? Whatever it is, try to disable KMS to see 
> if that makes any difference... or if you are currently running "non-KMS" 
> try with the opposite :-)
> 
> Greetings,
> 
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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]


On 15/08/11 01:32, � wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:39:05 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:


On 14/08/11 23:31, � wrote:

  ^
You're still with the black diamond issue :-P


Yes it's a consequence of me deciding that not using UTF-8 was more 
problem than using it - occasionally I flick over to the old iso to make 
sure the black diamond is who I think it is.





Mea culpa - I thought that comment was made by Richard...


Yep, it was me.

My relation with Google is now very distant and cold. But it's not just
me who thinks in that way, the web is full of complaints about this new
Google policy of "use our services like we want to be used or fly away".


It's a natural consequence of shareholders flexing their muscles I guess 
- now they're starting to tell the point-headed gits how to do their 
job... every portfolio manager thinks they're Steve "throw a chair" 
Balmer when they're holding blocks of shares they don't own. If I hear 
Brin or Page are starting to sell shares I'd dump mine and run - it's 
those folks and the brains they brought with them that make Google 
attractive (that and the fact that without them it'd just be Microsoft 
and Apple).





Politely letting them know you miss the functionality helps - Sagar
Kamdar and Matt Dunn are very nice, , smart, responsive, and helpful
(and influential). They understand tipping points and the importance of
keeping bleeding edge adopters happy. *You* should find a friendly ear
there ;-p :-D


I will take note. But again, Google forums are full of unger users about
this:

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en#sclient=psy&hl=en&complete=0&site=webhp&source=hp&q=google+disable+autocomplete&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=43b3d7638083a689&biw=1280&bih=888
http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en#sclient=psy&hl=en&complete=0&site=webhp&source=hp&q=google+disable+instant+preview&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=43b3d7638083a689&biw=1280&bih=888


Noted: seems many of them post on youtube too :-(
Hence my use of the word "polite".

I don't know how people cope without Noscript and AdBlock Plus - that 
they make Google more useable is just a bonus. Mainly the make pages 
load faster and give pages back to content not annoying ads, spyware, 
and bloody pop-up mouse-overs!




It's hard to believe they are not aware of this>>>:-)


It's the nature of organisations - the people that build the products 
(and care about them) get promoted to positions where they spend most of 
their time in meetings, and the people on the front-line tend to be 
empty headed Outlook using (no, I'm not making that up) techno fools - 
with "people skills" - salespeople and *spit* marketers - making 
promises the engineers can't keep. Take something beautiful and make it 
ugly, mutter, mutter, mutter...





As Google has been adding more and
more services it also has started to be more and more strict to what
they services have to look like.


Some of that is understandable as the products leave beta and have to be
supported better (the Ned and Chav factor). But they could give us the
choice to between beta testing products with choices, or using the
stricter production products (closing the labs is one of my biggest
complaints).


But Google search is not in a Beta stage, right? ;-)


Google search encrypted is, and Google image comparison search, and 
Google voice search...
They announced the launch of Google psychic search at the start of April 
- it still doesn't seem to work... so I'm guessing that's a beta too ;-D





No cookies. Which don't bother me - I clear them at the start of new
sessions (and I never install flash, so flash cookies are not an
option).


Ah, okay, you are doing the same as me with the flash exception (I have
it installed, but hope the flash plugin can be finally removed from the
face of the Earth as soon as possible :-P).


Rippem down.





True is that I don't care about they track me. They provide a free
service and have to make money from "something". Google adds are annoying
but not the ones we encounter when using Google search, I find most
annoying the adds that another sites are using in their web pages because
they are not very well identified and clicking on them by mistake is very
easy.



Adblock - leave the ads on the server where they belong. Unless they pay 
me to view their advertising they can just go and try reproduce with 
themselves.



- Can you get rif off the small preview image? Nope


Do you mean those annoying mouse-over javascript pop-ups page
previews? xul-ext-noscript fixes that.


I know there are many addons to avoid that but I neither want to keep
my browser full of third-party addons... an addon to fix each of the
things Google breaks? No, thanks, better fix Google>:-)


NoScript (and that's the Debian build) is the single most useful
Iceweasel plugin (IMNSHO). AdBlock_Plus'd be the second.


I will have to review it.


What is this advertisement thing of which you speak? ;-p
NoScript and AdBlock Plus - how

Re: network devices have vanished on Dell D600

2011-08-14 Thread Mark Grieveson

I submitted a bug report on this to the Debian developer for the kernel
image, who responded telling me that the hardware was likely loose and
simply needed to be reseated.  So, I took the laptop apart, and put it
back together again, making sure everything fitted nice and snug.  And,
good news, it seems to be working now.  The network devices seem to be
recognized each time.  So, hopefully this will last.

Mark


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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64


On 15/08/11 01:41, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:20:03 +0800
H Xu  wrote:

Hello H,


I don't know which package could unblack googleearth, I've installed
mesa-utils and using nvidia proprietary drives. I don't know how to
figure out what the package is. Could anyone offer me some help?


mesa-utils and/or dependencies didn't work for me.  I suggest you try
Patrick's suggestion of the nvidia-glx-ia32 packages.



Mesa-utils is not needed - they just allow you to test and check your 
OpenGL settings - and if you don't have the basic mesa packages 
installed, they'll pull them in.


There's three way to install Nvidia:-
1. download and build their drivers, which I recommend only for the 
legacy cards (which I use because I have a large quantity of GeForce2 
MX200s)
2. use the Debian non-free drivers - which you've used, they require the 
nvidia-glx-ia32 packages

3. the nouveau drivers which some people speak highly of

IMNSHO the best guide is:-
http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Scott Ferguson
 wrote:
> On 14/08/11 13:22, H Xu wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've installed the latest stable google earth from the google-earth's
>> official website, and installed all of the dependencies. However, when
>> the google-earth starts up, it doesn't display the earth, but an empty
>> black region. Despite this black region, other part of google earth
>> works well.
>>
>> It might be caused by something related to Qt or OpenGL, but Stellarium,
>> which is also based on Qt and OpenGL, works well for me.
>>
>> I'm using Kernel 3.0.
>>
>> Wish anyone could offer me some help.
>>
>> Thanks for your patience and time.
>>
>> Regards,
>> H Xu
>> 08/14/2011
>>
>>
>
> Kernel 3.0 - does that mean you're running Sid??

The 3.0 kernel just showed up in testing a few days ago.  I still
think the nvidia-glx-ia32 packages will do it!

Patrick


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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Scott Ferguson
 wrote:
> On 15/08/11 01:41, Brad Rogers wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:20:03 +0800
>> H Xu  wrote:
>>
>> Hello H,
>>
>>> I don't know which package could unblack googleearth, I've installed
>>> mesa-utils and using nvidia proprietary drives. I don't know how to
>>> figure out what the package is. Could anyone offer me some help?
>>
>> mesa-utils and/or dependencies didn't work for me.  I suggest you try
>> Patrick's suggestion of the nvidia-glx-ia32 packages.
>>
>
> Mesa-utils is not needed - they just allow you to test and check your OpenGL
> settings - and if you don't have the basic mesa packages installed, they'll
> pull them in.
>
> There's three way to install Nvidia:-
> 1. download and build their drivers, which I recommend only for the legacy
> cards (which I use because I have a large quantity of GeForce2 MX200s)
> 2. use the Debian non-free drivers - which you've used, they require the
> nvidia-glx-ia32 packages

They don't "require" them in the sense that they get automatically
installed; you have to select them separately for installation.

Patrick


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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:39:53 +1000
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

Hello Scott,

> Mesa-utils is not needed - they just allow you to test and check your 
> OpenGL settings - and if you don't have the basic mesa packages 
> installed, they'll pull them in.

Yes, so  understand having re-read your previous post.  However, even
installing the packages that mesa-utils would have pulled in didn't help
me out as was implied by your post.  Unless I mis-read it, of course.

> There's three way to install Nvidia:-
> 1. download and build their drivers, which I recommend only for the 
> legacy cards (which I use because I have a large quantity of GeForce2 
> MX200s)
> 2. use the Debian non-free drivers - which you've used, they require
> the nvidia-glx-ia32 packages

Maybe, but those -ia32 packages, as Patrick points out, aren't
dependencies, so don't get installed automatically.  Even if they're
"recommends" (I didn't check, so don't know) they won't get installed
here, as I have that option turned off.

> 3. the nouveau drivers which some people speak highly of

I always thought that, due to limited functionality of the nouveau
drivers, using googleearth with them could be a painfully slow
experience.

Anyhow, thanks to the help of both yourself and Patrick, my ge install
is now handled within package manager land, rather than being (yet
another) custom installation.

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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64


On 15/08/11 03:14, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:39:53 +1000
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

Hello Scott,


Mesa-utils is not needed - they just allow you to test and check your
OpenGL settings - and if you don't have the basic mesa packages
installed, they'll pull them in.


Yes, so  understand having re-read your previous post.  However, even
installing the packages that mesa-utils would have pulled in didn't help
me out as was implied by your post.  Unless I mis-read it, of course.


You probably didn't misread it - it's well past my bedtime here, and 
I've basically been responding to the original poster (X Hu).





There's three way to install Nvidia:-
1. download and build their drivers, which I recommend only for the
legacy cards (which I use because I have a large quantity of GeForce2
MX200s)
2. use the Debian non-free drivers - which you've used, they require
the nvidia-glx-ia32 packages


Maybe, but those -ia32 packages, as Patrick points out, aren't
dependencies, so don't get installed automatically.  Even if they're
"recommends" (I didn't check, so don't know) they won't get installed
here, as I have that option turned off.


They're not "recommends" although they probably should - they enhance 
core functionality. But you can certainly live without them (it's fairly 
rare for me to make use of them).





3. the nouveau drivers which some people speak highly of


I always thought that, due to limited functionality of the nouveau
drivers, using googleearth with them could be a painfully slow
experience.


I was attempting to be diplomatic when "I said some people speak highly 
of" ;-)




Anyhow, thanks to the help of both yourself and Patrick, my ge install
is now handled within package manager land, rather than being (yet
another) custom installation.



It's one of the reasons I recommend only using the proprietary (download 
from nvidia) driver when using the legacy cards - or the very latest.
If I was of assistance it was, and I regret, inadvertent. IRC, email, 
and work, combined with lack of sleep don't make for useful support :-/


Cheers


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children!" What does that mean? They reach a certain age and they're off 
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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]

2011-08-14 Thread Walter Hurry

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:28:27 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

> Adblock - leave the ads on the server where they belong. Unless they pay
> me to view their advertising they can just go and try reproduce with
> themselves.

Just to comment on a possible alternative approach:

I don't need any Firefox plugins to block unwanted advertising; I just 
use a hosts file. I download the one from  nightly, use dos2unix on it, and then merge it with my 'stub' 
hosts file. Works very well indeed.

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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]

On 15/08/11 03:36, Walter Hurry wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:28:27 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

Adblock - leave the ads on the server where they belong. Unless they pay
me to view their advertising they can just go and try reproduce with
themselves.

Just to comment on a possible alternative approach:

I don't need any Firefox plugins to block unwanted advertising; I just
use a hosts file. I download the one from nightly, use dos2unix on it, and then merge it with my 'stub'
hosts file. Works very well indeed.

:-) Sometimes referred to as the APK approach (a famous troll) who
devoted his life to promoting the hosts file as a cure for everything -
more than just a filter - it's a firewall - it's an antivirus - it stops
spyware, fixes your car, and makes you look thin! Last I heard *his*
hosts files were around the 12MB mark!
Hosts files work fine I guess (they certainly keep you busy!) - though
they lack the fine grain control (wildcards, selected fileextensions,
regular expressions) of AdBlock Plus, protection against cross-site
scripting, element hiding, the ability to block flash and java elements
- and the reporting ability. And it's easy to write new extensions for it.
You could probably import the basis of a host block list from an AdBlock
subscription.
NoScript combined with AdBlock (they're both in the repositories) allow
you to remove the mouse-overs and the embedded (javascript writen) ads
as well. Host files will only remove some ads, and they can't do squat
about floating divs or javascript document writes.
I haven't seen any ads in some years - it's always a wake up when I see
other peoples screens. :-(
I prefer to keep my hosts files as small, simple static DNS lists. But
another weapon against unwanted ads is a good thing. I certainly used
them for many years to block sites ads - I still use them to stop people
from loading sites the networks have banned (saves the
desktop/network/firewall department wars). It's a constant war of
escalation between Adblock and the advertisers - the outcome is certain,
so I'm just going to enjoy it while I can.

Cheers

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blase about abortion, it might be a real issue, it might not, doesn't
matter to me. What matters is that if you believe in the sanctity of
life then you believe it for life of all ages. That's what I hate about
this child-worship syndrome going on. "Save the children! They're
killing children! How many children were at Waco? They're killing
children!" What does that mean? They reach a certain age and they're off
your [beep] love-list? [beep] your children, if that's the way you think
then [beep] you too. You either love all people of all ages or you shut
the [beep] up.”

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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]

On 15/08/11 03:36, Walter Hurry wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:28:27 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

Adblock - leave the ads on the server where they belong. Unless they pay
me to view their advertising they can just go and try reproduce with
themselves.

Just to comment on a possible alternative approach:

:-) Sometimes referred to as the APK approach (a famous troll) who
devoted his life to promoting the hosts file as a cure for everything -
more than just a filter - it's a firewall - it's an antivirus - it stops
spyware, fixes your car, and makes you look thin! Last I heard *his*
hosts files were around the 12MB mark!
Hosts files work fine I guess (they certainly keep you busy!) - though
they lack the fine grain control (wildcards, selected fileextensions,
regular expressions) of AdBlock Plus, protection against cross-site
scripting, element hiding, the ability to block flash and java elements
- and the reporting ability. And it's easy to write new extensions for it.
You could probably import the basis of a host block list from an AdBlock
subscription.
NoScript combined with AdBlock (they're both in the repositories) allow
you to remove the mouse-overs and the embedded (javascript written) ads
as well. Host files will only remove some ads, and they can't do squat
about floating divs or javascript document writes.
I haven't seen any ads in some years - it's always a wake up when I see
other peoples screens. :-(
I prefer to keep my hosts files as small, simple static DNS lists. But
another weapon against unwanted ads is a good thing. I certainly used
them for many years to block sites ads - I still use them to stop people
from loading sites the networks have banned (saves the
desktop/network/firewall department wars). It's a constant war of
escalation between Adblock and the advertisers - the outcome is certain,
so I'm just going to enjoy it while I can - there may come a time when a
hosts file may be my only choice.

Cheers

~ Bill Hicks

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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64


On 15/08/11 02:43, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Scott Ferguson
  wrote:

On 15/08/11 01:41, Brad Rogers wrote:


On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:20:03 +0800
H Xu  �wrote:





There's three way to install Nvidia:-
1. download and build their drivers, which I recommend only for the legacy
cards (which I use because I have a large quantity of GeForce2 MX200s)
2. use the Debian non-free drivers - which you've used, they require the
nvidia-glx-ia32 packages


They don't "require" them in the sense that they get automatically
installed; you have to select them separately for installation.

Patrick



"They" are only used by method 2.
If you want hardware accelerated OpenGL they are "required" - though, 
not, as you've pointed out, in the dpkg sense.
But if you don't mind chugging 2D, then, no, they're not required - 
GoogleEarth will still work, kind of...


NOTES:

nvidia-glx-ia32 only supports GeForce 6xxx+ series NVidia cards.

I know only what has been posted to the list - don't know which card or 
drivers have been used.
The problem may well be the kernel - we'll know more when H Xu replies 
tonight.


Cheers


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blase about abortion, it might be a real issue, it might not, doesn't 
matter to me. What matters is that if you believe in the sanctity of 
life then you believe it for life of all ages. That's what I hate about 
this child-worship syndrome going on. "Save the children! They're 
killing children! How many children were at Waco? They're killing 
children!" What does that mean? They reach a certain age and they're off 
your [beep] love-list? [beep] your children, if that's the way you think 
then [beep] you too. You either love all people of all ages or you shut 
the [beep] up.”

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"gconf-editor" icon missing from menu? (wheezy)

Hello,

I've just realized my wheezy has lost an icon from the menu: "gconf-
editor" is not there anymore while the binary file is still present and 
can be launched as expected.

Is just me or someone else has missed this icon from the GNOME menu?

I know this utility is going to be replaced by another one in gnome 3.0 
but it won't hurt to have it where it used to be while is still useful :-)

Greetings,

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Re: "gconf-editor" icon missing from menu? (wheezy)

2011-08-14 Thread Walter Hurry

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:41:11 +, Camaleón wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I've just realized my wheezy has lost an icon from the menu: "gconf-
> editor" is not there anymore while the binary file is still present and
> can be launched as expected.
> 
> Is just me or someone else has missed this icon from the GNOME menu?
> 
> I know this utility is going to be replaced by another one in gnome 3.0
> but it won't hurt to have it where it used to be while is still useful

Not sure what you are driving at here. Presumably there will be a "dconf-
editor" for GNOME3 but I have abandoned GNOME in favour of LXDE anyway.

But you are knowledgeable enough to have a look in /usr/share/
applications to see what is what.



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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Scott Ferguson
 wrote:

[...]

> NOTES:
>
> nvidia-glx-ia32 only supports GeForce 6xxx+ series NVidia cards.

My Lenovo Thinkpad T61p has a Quadro FX 570M, and Google Earth works
with the nvidia-glx-ia32 package installed and not without, so I guess
it supports cards other than that series.

Patrick

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Re: Kernel messages during startup

2011-08-14 Thread Ralf Jung

Hi,

> >From the reporter POV, I'd say it is justified to report anything we
> consider is not normal or that it should not be present. I wouldn't worry
> about that, devels and packagers take the appropiate steps, that is, if
> there is no real bug to worry about, they will just ignore your report or
> will tell you (with more or less kind words) that there is nothing to fix
>:-)
Okay, thanks for the clarification.

> Look, there is a bug report opened in Fedora for the "address space
> collision" message:
> 
> Multiple kernel problems and memory collision
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710715
> 
> Which makes me think that kernel developers are fully aware of the
> problem.
I will report the other messages only, then.

Kind regards,
Ralf


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Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread Brian

On Sun 14 Aug 2011 at 15:37:34 +0100, AG wrote:

> My hard ram is 3 GB (2.84 to be exact) and I gave the same amount to  
> swap when I initially partitioned the HDD.

More than enough.

> My response to Ivan crossed yours, so if there's no value and I also run  
> the risk of meddling with the kernel's affairs, it seems wise to leave  
> well enough alone, unless I have a specific need to do so and the usage  
> has accumulated.

   brian@desktop:~$ uptime
19:51:39 up 88 days, 21:29,  6 users,  load average: 0.10, 0.17, 0.22

   brian@desktop:~$ free
total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
   Mem:   10358281000468  35360  0  67996 343620
   -/+ buffers/cache: 588852 446976
   Swap:  1951888  501321901756

I have no idea why 50M of swap is used but the machine chugs along. I'd
suggest you forget about it.


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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]

2011-08-14 Thread Brian

On Mon 15 Aug 2011 at 02:28:27 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

[This is a blatent attempt to deflect criticism away from Google]

> I don't know how people cope without Noscript and AdBlock Plus - that  

Very easily.


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Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N

2011-08-14 Thread Heddle Weaver

On 14 August 2011 14:42, Heddle Weaver  wrote:

>
>
> On 13 August 2011 01:44, Camaleón  wrote:
>
> After configuring the modem through XP laptop, I can now access the net
> through my Debian laptop.
> The connection is very glitchy - lots of 'time-outs' - but a definite
> improvement.
> At least I have access.
>
> I'll just have to iron out the bugs, now, but it's been quite a different
> experience.

Here would appear to be the problem.
I can access the net.
Some sites I have absolutely no problem with and others just time out.
This is with bookmarks I've had regular and unimpeded access to in the past.
And I *still *can't access the modem interface in Debian.

So, it's looking like a system glitch still.

>
> Regards,
>
> Weaver.
>
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>
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>

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Re: squeeze freeze while copying from camera mem card (via USB)

2011-08-14 Thread Itay



On Sun, 14 Aug 2011, Camaleón wrote:


Does the same card work on you rsqueeze system when using a card
reader?



I don't have a card reader.  I always dumped the photos directly from
the camera.


And that can be the problem, the camera and not the memory card. Using a
card reader will help you to discard (or not) a  problem with the camera
itself.

Besides, have you tried with the rest of the suggestions (re-formatting
the card, try with another one, copy the content from command
line...)? :-?


To summarize the situation:
+ Using the same camera and card with a different lenny machine: OK.
  The problem appears while using command-line.
+ Using the same camera and another card on both machines: OK.
+ I couldn't find out anything suspicious in /var/log/syslog.
  (But honestly I don't know what to look for: what is kernel
   soft-lock?)

Next on the agenda:
+ Reproducing the effect and trying to access from another machine
  using ssh.
  Something particular I should look for?
+ Perhaps trying this with X windows turned off (mainly to keep KDE
  out of the way).
+ Reformatting the card and re-trying.
+ Using a card reader (have to get one first).

Thanks to Camaleon for the suggestions.
Itay

Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:35:19 +1000
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

Hello Scott,

> very latest. If I was of assistance it was, and I regret, inadvertent.
> IRC, email, and work, combined with lack of sleep don't make for
> useful support :-/

:-)

Either way, I'm a happy camper.

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Re: Leafnode is refusing remote connections

2011-08-14 Thread Jochen Spieker

Daniel Bareiro:
> 
> I recently migrated my Leafnode server to a OpenVZ virtual machine. I
> copied the /etc/news/config configuration file, but I can not get
> connect from a remote client (slrn).

The leafnode authors decided to make it (more or less) difficult to
use leafnode from machines which are not in leafnodes own subnet.

Either you change your VMs network settings (can't help with that), or
you use the hint from your syslog:

> Aug 14 01:53:36 hermes leafnode[1219]: Refusing connect from 
> defiant.freesoftware (10.1.0.65) to hermes.freesoftware (10.1.0.4) (my fqdn: 
> hermes.freesoftware), outside the local networks. (Check config.example.)

See /usr/share/doc/leafnode/examples/config.example and search for the
"allowstrangers" option. Make sure to read the complete paragraph.

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Re: jigdo-bd

2011-08-14 Thread Rick Thomas



On Aug 12, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Dejan Ribič wrote:


Dne 12.8.2011 21:26, piše Paul E Condon:

I am looking into downloading some iso images of squeeze. I have not
done this in quite a while and I see that things have changed a lot
while I wasn't looking. I think I need jigdo-cd.

But what is jigdo-bd? Under what conditions is it the proper choice?
"bd" must be mnemonic for something, but I don't make the connection
the way I do for "cd".

TIA

Hi,

  "bd" stands for Bluray-Disc.

Cheers,

Dejan


You might want it if you have a bluray drive for some reason.  I  
haven't seen a regular PC with a BD drive yet, so I assume they are  
fairly rare in the wild.  Reader/Writer drives (in the same form- 
factor as standard PC 5.25-inch internal CD/DVD drives) seem to be  
selling for about US$100 - $200 on the web.


At  is the  
following information:


"Blu-ray Disc recordable (or BD-R) refers to two direct to disc  
optical disc recording technologies that can be recorded on to an  
optical disc with an optical disc recorder. BD-R discs can be written  
to once, whereas BD-RE (Blu-ray Disc Rewritable) can be erased and re- 
recorded multiple times. Disc capacities are 25 GB (23.28 GiB) for  
single-layer discs, 50 GB (46.57 GiB) for double-layer discs, 100 GB  
for triple-layer discs, and 128 GB for quad-layer discs."


25GB is about 5 single-layer DVDs.  So you can get a substantial  
fraction of the entire Debian distribution, including source, on a  
single BD disk.


Rick

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Re: Leafnode is refusing remote connections

2011-08-14 Thread Daniel Bareiro

Hi, Camaleón!

On Sunday, 14 August 2011 11:26:54 +,
Camaleón wrote:

> > I recently migrated my Leafnode server to a OpenVZ virtual machine. 
>   ^^
> (...)
> 
> VM usually provide different kind of networking options (NATed,
> bridged, host-only...) that may restrict the scope of the guest
> machine to the rest of the network hosts/devices.
> 
> (...)
> 
> > Which may be why Leafnode believes that IP is outside the local network?
> 
> The VM network setup. I would start from that.

Yes, It was the only thing that I didn't test so far. With this VM I was
using 'venet', the default network device for a container [1]. After
several tests, I ended up setting the VM with a veth interface [2],
bridged to eth0 interface on the VMHost.

Several days ago I come racking my brain, looking for the solution of
the problem. The good thing is the knowledge gained when it comes to the
solution :-)

Here [3] a link with the differences between both types of interfaces.

> Greetings,

Thanks for your reply.

Regards,
Daniel

[1] http://wiki.openvz.org/Venet
[2] http://wiki.openvz.org/Veth
[3] http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth
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Rsync -- Different Outputs on No Transfer

2011-08-14 Thread Hal Vaughan

I'm using rsync on "normal" Debian (6.x), on two embedded systems that run what 
look like Debian variations (DNS-321 by D-Link and Stora by Netgear) and on OS 
X.

On Debian, whenever I run rsync (rsync --delete -rlptv -e ssh /my/path/ 
myname@mybackup:Backup/, if there are no files to transfer, rsync prints a long 
list of directories and I get a high enough count for the bytes transferred 
that it's well over just the text of the list of directories.  With other 
systems, I often get something more like this (from the same command with the 
same flags):

[admin@server:~]$ rsync --delete -rlptv -e ssh /ServerShare/data/ 
myname@backup:Backup/data/
Stora version 10.0.x
building file list ... done

sent 415903 bytes  received 20 bytes  12797.63 bytes/sec
total size is 5840010926  speedup is 14041.09

I understand the "Stora version 10.0.x" is from the Stora when I essentially 
log in via ssh for this backup.  I also notice this transfers over 400k bytes 
with no data sent to the backup system.  Is that all checksums and filenames?

All these backups are going to the same system, so the difference in whether I 
get a simple output or a long listing of directories scanned for backup files 
would seem to be due to something on the sending system.

I use the -v flag whenever in case I need to debug later.

Any idea why, on Debian, I always get a long directory listing and don't get it 
on some other systems?

It's not a "must fix" but when I'm scanning output files, obviously it's a LOT 
easier to verify everything went smoothly if I get a quick and simple output 
than if I have to scan a long list of directories.

It'd be nice to simplify it so I can tell at a glance when things went well.  
Any suggestions on what could cause the difference?


Thank you!



Hal

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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64


On 15/08/11 05:10, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Scott Ferguson
  wrote:

[...]


NOTES:

nvidia-glx-ia32 only supports GeForce 6xxx+ series NVidia cards.


My Lenovo Thinkpad T61p has a Quadro FX 570M, and Google Earth works
 with the nvidia-glx-ia32 package installed and not without, so I
guess it supports cards other than that series.

Patrick



I'd say it was definitive proof! :-)
I don't know what you are running, I'm presuming Squeeze as it's just a
dummy package with Wheezy and Sid.

I got that information from here:-
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nvidia-glx-ia32

This version only supports GeForce 6xxx and higher of the Geforce
GPUs plus complimentary Quadros and nforce. Look at the legacy
packages for older cards.

See /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz for a complete list of
supported GPUs and PCI IDs.


So I'm guessing that makes your card a "complimentary" Quadro.

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Re: [still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]


On 15/08/11 05:36, Brian wrote:

On Mon 15 Aug 2011 at 02:28:27 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

[This is a blatent attempt to deflect criticism away from Google]


Put whatever paranoid spin on it that you want. I don't care who places 
the advertisements - I don't want to download or view them.





I don't know how people cope without Noscript and AdBlock Plus - that


Very easily.



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Re: Rsync -- Different Outputs on No Transfer

> Hal Vaughan  writes:

[…]

 > It's not a "must fix" but when I'm scanning output files, obviously
 > it's a LOT easier to verify everything went smoothly if I get a quick
 > and simple output than if I have to scan a long list of directories.

 > It'd be nice to simplify it so I can tell at a glance when things
 > went well.  Any suggestions on what could cause the difference?

My guess is that using -O along with -t may reduce the number of
directories in the -v list.

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Re: Rsync -- Different Outputs on No Transfer

2011-08-14 Thread Hal Vaughan


On Aug 14, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

>> Hal Vaughan  writes:
> 
> […]
> 
>> It's not a "must fix" but when I'm scanning output files, obviously
>> it's a LOT easier to verify everything went smoothly if I get a quick
>> and simple output than if I have to scan a long list of directories.
> 
>> It'd be nice to simplify it so I can tell at a glance when things
>> went well.  Any suggestions on what could cause the difference?
> 
>   My guess is that using -O along with -t may reduce the number of
>   directories in the -v list.

Thanks.  I tried with -O and without it, along with -t and no -t (in other 
words all four combinations of those two), but I still get the directory 
listing.


Hal

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Transplanting old System to New Drive

2011-08-14 Thread Martin McCormick

I have a 10-gigabyte hard drive that sounds like a 747
just before takeoff so the time has come to replace it. I
replaced it with a 16-gigabyte SATA flash drive and IDE adaptor
as the system it runs on is a little too old to handle a large
drive.

If I use dd to copy the 10-gig drive over to the new
drive as in:

dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=20M

it works when I remove the old screamer drive, change the jumper
on the new drive to Master and boot but this is not very
efficient as it wastes almost 6 gigs of drive.

What I tried to do was to format /dev/hdb with hdb1
being around 15GB and then /dev/hdb2 being extended and holding
hdb5 marked as swap just like /dev/hda. /dev/hdb1 is also set to
bootable and shows up as such  when using fdisk /dev/hdb and
then the p command.

The rsync command tries to copy everything on the old
disk except /proc and it also fails to copy those files which
probably never stay around such as timer values and other
volital information so  /dev and everything else get copied.

When I boot the efficiently-built system, it does start
to boot and then hangs.

Is there a way to copy the working file system to a
larger drive such that the new drive will also boot?

In case you find this confusing, I mount the clean new
disk on /mnt2. The rsync command excludes "mnt2" to prevent
infinite recursion, but this pretty well describes what I am
trying to do.

I even tried to use the dd method and then tune2fs but I
either did something wrong or this can't work because I still
had only a 9.6G file system when all was said and done.

Thanks for any suggestions as to how to transplant the
old OS to the larger drive and still make it work.

I bet the MBR that is being put on the new drive can not
find grub or something along those lines because /boot and the
kernel are there. It really looks like it should work, but
doesn't.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group


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Re: Transplanting old System to New Drive


On 15/08/11 12:32, Martin McCormick wrote:

I have a 10-gigabyte hard drive that sounds like a 747
just before takeoff so the time has come to replace it. I
replaced it with a 16-gigabyte SATA flash drive and IDE adaptor
as the system it runs on is a little too old to handle a large
drive.

If I use dd to copy the 10-gig drive over to the new
drive as in:

dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=20M

it works when I remove the old screamer drive, change the jumper
on the new drive to Master and boot but this is not very
efficient as it wastes almost 6 gigs of drive.

What I tried to do was to format /dev/hdb with hdb1
being around 15GB and then /dev/hdb2 being extended and holding
hdb5 marked as swap just like /dev/hda. /dev/hdb1 is also set to
bootable and shows up as such  when using fdisk /dev/hdb and
then the p command.

The rsync command tries to copy everything on the old
disk except /proc and it also fails to copy those files which
probably never stay around such as timer values and other
volital information so  /dev and everything else get copied.

When I boot the efficiently-built system, it does start
to boot and then hangs.

Is there a way to copy the working file system to a
larger drive such that the new drive will also boot?


Yes - read on.



In case you find this confusing, I mount the clean new
disk on /mnt2. The rsync command excludes "mnt2" to prevent
infinite recursion, but this pretty well describes what I am
trying to do.

I even tried to use the dd method and then tune2fs but I
either did something wrong or this can't work because I still
had only a 9.6G file system when all was said and done.

Thanks for any suggestions as to how to transplant the
old OS to the larger drive and still make it work.

I bet the MBR that is being put on the new drive can not
find grub or something along those lines because /boot and the
kernel are there. It really looks like it should work, but
doesn't.


That's part of the problem... of course all the UUIDs in fstab and 
grub.cfg will refer to your old drive... ;-p




Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group



Probably *not* the recommended way to do it, but...
I regularly convert large, real machines to small, VirtualBox guest 
machines - and move working multi-partition multi-disk builds to new 
drives in new machines, so this method should work for you - I suspect 
it's the mainly the last step you require. Note: cat will probably do 
the job just as well - I'm lazy, rsync is fast and I know it preserves 
permissions.


1. Create new partitions big enough to hold the data you wish to copy - 
it doesn't matter if they're larger or smaller than the original - just 
as long as they're larger than the data you're going to put on them. To 
save possible BIOS complaints if both drives reside on the same machine 
- do not make the destination drive bootable (yet). This is in case you 
need to reboot with both drives enabled for some reason before this 
process is completed - probably not necessary, but - belt *and* 
suspenders is good ;-)


2. Put the same file system on the new drive.

3. Mount the drives under a live CD. eg.:-
# mkdir /media/source0 media/source1 [etc, for each data partition on 
the source drive]

# mkdir /media/dest0 /media/dest1 [etc, to match the source dirs]

4. use rsync to copy the files. eg.:-
# rsync -azr /media/source0/ /media/dest0 [rinse and repeat until all 
partitions copied]


5. fix fstab and grub.cfg on the new drive eg.:-
# blkid >> /media/dest0/boot/grub/grub.cfg
# blkid >> /media/dest0/etc/fstab
Then use nano or whatever to edit the UUIDs in grub.cfg and fstab. The 
UUIDs of the partitions of the new drive will be at the bottom of those 
files - just copy and paste, remove the UUIDS at the bottom of the 
drives and save the files.


6. mark the new drive bootable eg.:-
# umount /media/dest*
# umount /media/source*
# fdisk /dev/destination_drive
# a
# w
# q

7. If you are planning on keeping the original drive installed, make it 
*not* bootable. Then:-

shutdown the machine.

8. Either remove the original hard drive or recable and rejumper, modify 
the BIOS accordingly (SATA settings, disable IDE controller is not 
needed etc, set boot order).


9. Boot up you new hard drive. Enjoy :-)

Cheers


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this child-worship syndrome going on. "Save the children! They're 
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children!" What does that mean? They reach a certain age and they're off 
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Re: Transplanting old System to New Drive [addendum]


On 15/08/11 13:28, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 15/08/11 12:32, Martin McCormick wrote:

I have a 10-gigabyte hard drive that sounds like a 747
just before takeoff so the time has come to replace it. I
replaced it with a 16-gigabyte SATA flash drive and IDE adaptor
as the system it runs on is a little too old to handle a large
drive.



Sorry - addendum to my previous post...

You'll need to run mkswap on the new drive while still mounted under the 
Live CD. Though it will still run anyway..


Cheers

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blase about abortion, it might be a real issue, it might not, doesn't 
matter to me. What matters is that if you believe in the sanctity of 
life then you believe it for life of all ages. That's what I hate about 
this child-worship syndrome going on. "Save the children! They're 
killing children! How many children were at Waco? They're killing 
children!" What does that mean? They reach a certain age and they're off 
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Re: Rsync -- Different Outputs on No Transfer

> Hal Vaughan  writes:
> On Aug 14, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

[…]

 >> My guess is that using -O along with -t may reduce the number of
 >> directories in the -v list.

 > Thanks.  I tried with -O and without it, along with -t and no -t (in
 > other words all four combinations of those two), but I still get the
 > directory listing.

What kind of filesystem is used on both sides of Rsync there?

My other guess would be that one of the filesystems has better
timestamp accuracy, therefore requiring --modify-window=.  Or,
one can always use -c, though it may get much more CPU
intensive, and thus slower.

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Re: Transplanting old System to New Drive