Re: DO NOT BUY Western Digital "Green" Drives (also present in WD "Elements" external USB cases)
On 9/6/2011 12:43 AM, shawn wilson wrote: On Sep 6, 2011 12:12 AM, "Stan Hoeppner" wrote: Only those who align their partitions correctly to avoid the dreaded RMW problem, or those whose performance needs are so meager that they don't realize they suffer the RMW problem. RMW? I'm not familiar with this term. Read-Modify-Write Read pages 6,7,8: http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/tp613_transition_to_4k_sectors.pdf -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e65b596.30...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: DO NOT BUY Western Digital "Green" Drives (also present in WD "Elements" external USB cases)
On 06/09/11 15:43, shawn wilson wrote: On Sep 6, 2011 12:12 AM, "Stan Hoeppner" mailto:s...@hardwarefreak.com>> wrote: > > Only those who align their partitions correctly to avoid the dreaded RMW problem, or those whose performance needs are so meager that they don't realize they suffer the RMW problem. > RMW? I'm not familiar with this term. I haven't heard it called RMW before but I suspect Stan is referring to problems with the new, larger, drive sectors (which can slow systems if the partitions are not aligned properly:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format http://www.novell.com/support/viewContent.do?externalId=7007193&sliceId=1 Of course, we 'could' just wait for Stan to clarify... Cheers -- " It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious." — Bill Hicks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e65b57a.3030...@gmail.com
Re: DO NOT BUY Western Digital "Green" Drives (also present in WD "Elements" external USB cases)
On Sep 6, 2011 12:12 AM, "Stan Hoeppner" wrote: > > Only those who align their partitions correctly to avoid the dreaded RMW problem, or those whose performance needs are so meager that they don't realize they suffer the RMW problem. > RMW? I'm not familiar with this term.
Re: MTU and Postfix
On 9/4/2011 8:39 AM, Camaleón wrote: I agree. The best way to sort out these problems is by carrying out additional tests with the host we were experiencing problems but I've had not very good experiences when contacting Spanish admins, most of them just don't reply at all or are not interested in solving this problematic ;-( It's not just Spanish admins. This happens every day with spam/abuse/other reports to all manner of US entities, whose staff are often of WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) heritage. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e65ab1d.1060...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: ReInstall of System borked Admin Pwd for Apps
Stephen Allen wrote: > Just to follow-up to my previous email, Bob's suggestion didn't work > either. That stanza was already entered. Are you running Synaptic through sudo? Or is it asking you for the password itself? I never run Synaptic. But I use sudo a lot. What is the output of sudo -l? $ sudo -l Matching Defaults entries for rwp on this host: env_reset, secure_path=/usr/local/sbin\:/usr/local/bin\:/usr/sbin\:/usr/bin\:/sbin\:/bin, env_keep+=HOME, env_keep+=MAIL, !lecture, !fqdn User rwp may run the following commands on this host: (ALL) ALL What output do you get when you run sudo id? $ sudo id uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MTU and Postfix
On 9/4/2011 5:40 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:09:23 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) I'm still monitoring this but if this is the "cure" to prevent such errors, are there any expected drawbacks for lowering MTU "system-wide"? Slightly lower overall performance when communicating with remote hosts. Almost zero difference on the LAN. If you want optimal performance, you should enable jumbo frames on all LAN hosts (9000 bytes) since you're using GbE, and install an edge router that handles jumbo frames. Then you need not worry about any of this. Just make sure you find out from your service provider what size frames they use. Then program the WAN interface on the router with that frame size (MTU). Problems such as yours are always caused by MTU mismatches. In most cases the mismatch is between the customer's edge device and the service provider equipment. Good routers will handle this just fine as long as the WAN port MTU is programmed to match the service provider equipment. Worth noting is that different network technologies use different frame sizes. For instance, ethernet uses a 1514 octet frame. Fiber channel uses 2112. FDDI uses 4500. SONET is 2430. You mentioned a "FTTH gigabit router" previously. Is this SP equipment or your independent equipment? The MTU mismatch most likely exists inside that box. If it was provided to you, then someone probably didn't program it correctly. It should have worked fine with different MTUs on both sides. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e65a875.2070...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: ReInstall of System borked Admin Pwd for Apps
Just to follow-up to my previous email, Bob's suggestion didn't work either. That stanza was already entered. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110906044858.ga1...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: DO NOT BUY Western Digital "Green" Drives (also present in WD "Elements" external USB cases)
On 9/3/2011 3:14 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: just a word of warning: on absolutely no account, not for any reason, should you buy WD "Green" drives. I've been been on my soap box many times WRT WD Green drives, but for different reasons that you state here. i've just spent a hair-raising 6 weeks discovering that these drives, when pushed above a mere 40 Centigrade, become so unstable that they can actually become completely unresponsive, shut down, and leave the linux kernel in a completely unstable state, especially if they are part of a RAID1 mirror. 40 Celsius is 104F, only 5.4F above normal human body temperature. I find this claim difficult to believe. The published operating temperature specs for the Green series of drives is 0C - 60C, or 32F - 140F. I would guess that whatever method/device you're using to measure temperature is reading much lower than actual temp, and that your drives are actually operating above 60F. This is assuming your problems are caused by high temperatures, and not something else. Unless you're exceeding 60C, the cause of your problems lay elsewhere. so, whilst most people are finding that these drives are "great", the Only those who align their partitions correctly to avoid the dreaded RMW problem, or those whose performance needs are so meager that they don't realize they suffer the RMW problem. now, apparently, what Western Digital do is they test new drives thoroughly, and if they pass with flying colours, they are labelled "black" and sold for more money. if they fail, then they're "re-programmed" to run a bit slower, thus making less noise, use less power, and can therefore justify being sold with a "green" label. "Bin sorting", which is what you're describing, is performed by IC manufacturers. There is no such thing as bin sorting of mechanical drives. Remove this notion from your grey matter as the practice simply doesn't exist. unfortunately what that means is that Western Digital are knowingly selling faulty drives, *knowingly* trying to pass off unfit-for-purpose drives as "new". See above. This is factually incorrect. if you have purchased WD "Elements" or any other "Green" Drives, you should perform a SLOW backup, ensuring that the temperature never goes above 38C in the process, and return them as "unfit for purpose" to wherever you bought them from. They're not "unfit for purpose" in this case, but simply defective. Again, the specs state an upper operating temperature of 60C. If they fail due to thermal issues at a temp lower than 60C, they drives are simply defective. four identical WD Elements drives - all of them completely unfit for purpose. that's not an accident, ... /sarcasm on No, no accident at all. WD is intentionally trying to ruin their own reputation by selling an entire line of drives that suck. Their shareholders asked them to lose a ton of money, and the employees just decided one day they don't want bonuses. /sarcasm off Bad products hit the market. You simply have to deal with it. I just returned a Corsair SSD that died after 4 months. That was my boot drive in my main workstation and I don't have a spare. I bet I'm far more peeved than you since I can't even use that machine until the replacement arrives, and you don't see me blasting Corsair. Not yet anyway, we'll see how they handle the RMA... -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e659d9c.1080...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: ReInstall of System borked Admin Pwd for Apps
On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 10:32:03PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > darkestkhan wrote: > > Stephen Allen wrote: > > > Unfortuantely the suggested fix didn't work. > > Just recently a new sudo entered Wheezy Testing and it changed the > behavior of secure_path. See Bug#639841 for details. But it means > that you need to add this line too: > > Defaults > secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" > > In addition to the other line: > > username ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL > > > It has to be noted that things worked well without merging changes in > > /etc/sudoers as long as programs were run by me - if program run by me > > with root privileges was running different program then I got errors > > that it can't find things in /sbin (and thus I knew that I have to > > look at changes in /etc/sudoers) > > Your PATH problem in Wheezy/Sid is the same thing. See Bug#639841. > Add the secure_path line above and it will work for you again. > > Bob ---end quoted text--- Cool, thanks Bob. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110906015240.ga31...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Rescuing ancient laptops into emulation.
On 06/09/11 02:31, Hendrik Boom wrote: The ancient laptop in question has about 24M main memory, a 2G hard drive, a plug-in floppy drive, a CD drive, and a 10Mhz coaxial ethernet PCMCIA card. (Remember those?) The hard drive will probably fail one of these years. I'm surprised it hasn't already. It runs an ancient Windows system, probably Windows 95. I can probably rig up enough hardware on another machine to talk to its ethernet. I can probably find a small enough Linux Live CD system to boot on it and use the sshfs or NFS o copy the entire hard drive over the ethernet connection. But recommendations would be very welcome. Getting the bits is only the first problem, though. Quite a few of those files are in file formats that can only be understood by the Windows software that also resides on that machine. Oh, the machine also contains one of my favourite legacy video games. I'd like to run all that in emulation (or otherwise (any suggestions?)) on one of my new. shiny Debian boxes. Yes. It is possible, and usually fairly simple. The process is called P2V (Physical 2 Virtual) - there are a number of Virtualisation choices, and ways to do that. In your circumstances I'd suggest VirtualBox using a virtual hard-drive. NOTE: I can't guarantee your game will function. First you need to change the drivers being used by Windoof for your hard drive so that Windoof doesn't get too confused by a virtual environment. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Assuredly any process not involving sending more money to North America is some sort of breach of a Faustian contract. Bear in mind that you are delusion if you believe you "bought" anything when you purchased your Windoof licence - MS only grant you liabilities. (sigh) 1. Download:- http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/wiki/Migrate_Windows/MergeIDE.zip 2. Install MergeIDE on your Windoof box. NOTE: I have managed this without changing the Windoof HDD driver, your mileage will vary, likewise AGP drivers. 3. Shutdown Windoof 4. Image the Windoof drive using dd, see Bob's suggestion:- http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/09/msg00318.html or do it across the network using Tom's Root Boot, either the floppy disk or CD version:- http://www.toms.net/rb/ eg.:- on Debian where you have free space:- # ifconfig | grep eth0 note the IP address # netcat -l -p | dd of=hda_windoof.img on the Windoof box running Tom's Root boot # dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 | netcat IP_of_Debian 5. Install VirtualBox:- http://virtualbox.org There are two versions - I suspect you'll need the closed source one for your game, in which case add the following to your sources.list ==/etc/apt/sources.list=== # wget -q http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/oracle_vbox.asc -O- | apt-key add - deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib non-free == Download and install the key, then install Virtualbox # apt-get install virtualbox-4.0 6. Convert the dd image to a Virtualbox hard drive $ VBoxManage convertfromraw hda_windoof.img Windoof.vdi If you followed Bob's suggestion:- # fdisk -l /dev/Windoof_drive Note the size of the drive in bytes $ cat /dev/$Windoof_drive | VBoxManage convertfromraw stdin Windoof.vdi Drive_Bytes 7. Create a new Virtual Machine using Windoof.vdi Read The Fabulous Manuals in the VirtualBox help ;-p NOTE: if you have problems on first boot of the VirtualWindoof try Recovery Mode from an Install CD. Cheers -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious." — Bill Hicks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e6571fa.5070...@gmail.com
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Re: Rescuing ancient laptops into emulation.
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:01:19 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Hi Walter, > > Walter Hurry wrote: >> Bob Proulx wrote: >> > I would look at Virtual Box. It is very easy to get going using it. >> > http://www.virtualbox.org/ >> >> Bob, >> >> Looking at the spec and age of the machine in question, one suspects >> that these are old DOS games. If that's the case, would not DosBox be a >> better bet than VirtualBox? > > Please don't take my suggestion of VirtualBox as being a negative review > for DOSBox. I hadn't read your suggestion at the time I wrote mine. I > expect there will be other different suggestions from others on the list > with their favorites too. > > I really don't know much about DOSBox and haven't used it previously. > Looking at it now it does seem very capable. Looking through the > compatibility listings for DOSBox it does list many of my old favorites > listed as known working good. I will have to give it a try. Thanks for > the suggestion! Don't get me wrong. I think VirtualBox is a fine application (for now at any rate, until Oracle screws it up). I use it for a couple of VMs (XP and Fedora 16 alpha at the moment) and it works very well indeed. I'm just not sure that it is the best solution for the OP in this thread if he just wants to run his old DOS games. If he really wants to try to run Windows 95 though (which I doubt) then VirtualBox is probably the only solution - but IMHO it is unlikely to yield anything useful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j43o5b$o3t$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: virt terminal font problem
On 09/05/2011 06:24 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: [Please don't top-post. Thanks.] On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 06:17:57PM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote: Ivan and group. I went ahead and tried resetting the "radeon modeset] to 0 which is linux for [OFF], and voila' it worked. Shazaam! What do you know. I was afraid I was going to hose it all up but nope, it came up just like it was 'sposed to. Ivan, thank you for your help, so much. I'd gone nuts trying to google the answer to this mess and you directed me to the correct procedure. I've been upgrading wheezy almost every day and it seems like once a week there is a group of messages that I had never received before in Lenny stating that I needed more radeon drivers or firmware or something and I had even hunted to see if I could find them but no joy there either. So hopefully since I'm not loading the radeon driver anymore, at least the radeonFB one I am guessing, maybe I won't get those messages any longer. Have you got firmware-linux installed and updated your initramfs? % dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware-linux firmware-linux install firmware-linux-free install firmware-linux-nonfree install Regards, Roger Thanks, I do now. I previously had only the firmware-linux-free... Cheers. Whit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e65639f.70...@comcast.net
Re: Rescuing ancient laptops into emulation.
Hi Walter, Walter Hurry wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > I would look at Virtual Box. It is very easy to get going using it. > > http://www.virtualbox.org/ > > Bob, > > Looking at the spec and age of the machine in question, one suspects that > these are old DOS games. If that's the case, would not DosBox be a better > bet than VirtualBox? Please don't take my suggestion of VirtualBox as being a negative review for DOSBox. I hadn't read your suggestion at the time I wrote mine. I expect there will be other different suggestions from others on the list with their favorites too. I really don't know much about DOSBox and haven't used it previously. Looking at it now it does seem very capable. Looking through the compatibility listings for DOSBox it does list many of my old favorites listed as known working good. I will have to give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion! Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Rescuing ancient laptops into emulation.
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:58:38 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > I would look at Virtual Box. It is very easy to get going using it. > > http://www.virtualbox.org/ Bob, Looking at the spec and age of the machine in question, one suspects that these are old DOS games. If that's the case, would not DosBox be a better bet than VirtualBox? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j43iq7$nq3$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [SOLVED] virt terminal font problem
[Please don't top-post. Thanks.] On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 06:17:57PM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote: > Ivan and group. I went ahead and tried resetting the "radeon > modeset] to 0 which is linux for [OFF], and voila' it worked. > Shazaam! What do you know. I was afraid I was going to hose it > all up but nope, it came up just like it was 'sposed to. Ivan, > thank you for your help, so much. I'd gone nuts trying to google > the answer to this mess and you directed me to the correct > procedure. > > I've been upgrading wheezy almost every day and it seems like once a > week there is a group of messages that I had never received before > in Lenny stating that I needed more radeon drivers or firmware or > something and I had even hunted to see if I could find them but no > joy there either. So hopefully since I'm not loading the radeon > driver anymore, at least the radeonFB one I am guessing, maybe I > won't get those messages any longer. Have you got firmware-linux installed and updated your initramfs? % dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware-linux firmware-linux install firmware-linux-free install firmware-linux-nonfree install Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOLVED]virt terminal font problem
And thank you too Brain. You helped too as going to reconfigure gave me the info about the radeonFB problem I had mentioned in the mail to Ivan. Great help. And I will look more often to the reconfigure situation as a possible cure for problems in the future more often. I'd used it before on various things and it helped but since Wheezy is so new in so many ways, I felt there had to be another answer. And actually had not even thought about it. Thanks again. Your aid is very much appreciated. whit On 09/05/2011 04:21 PM, Whit Hansell wrote: Thank you Brian . I did the dpkg reconfigure console-setup but none of the various iterations I tried worked. I have replied to Ivan's suggestion asking a question about making a change to a file in modprobe.d. I did find a notice in the reconfugure deal re framebuffers and that the driver I seem to be using is the problem. Again thanks for your suggestion. Much appreciated. Whit On 09/05/2011 04:00 AM, Brian wrote: On Sun 04 Sep 2011 at 21:17:14 -0400, Whit Hansell wrote: as anyone any knowledge of manipulating font size in Virt Term in Your first port of call should be dpkg-reconfigure console-setup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e654b7e.4060...@comcast.net
Re: virt terminal font problem
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 04:12:31PM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote: > Please select the size of the font for the Linux console. Simple │ > │ integers corresponding to fonts can be used with all console > drivers. │ > │ The number then represents the font height (number of scan > lines). │ > │ Alternatively, the font may be represented as HEIGHTxWIDTH; > however, │ > │ such font specifications require the kbd console package (not > │ > │ console-tools) plus framebuffer (and the RadeonFB kernel driver > for │ > │ framebuffer does not support them either). │ > │ │ > │ Font heights can be useful for figuring out the real size of the > symbols │ > │ on the console. For reference, the font used when the computer > boots has │ > │ size 16. > > So, on the next page I set the font size to 16 and rebooted just for > grins and it made no difference. > > But on your suggestion, I looked at etc/modprobe.d and found. > > root@greatstar:/etc/modprobe.d# cat radeon-kms.conf > options radeon modeset=1 > > I'm guessing that if I change the options radeon modeset from 1 to > 0, then the radeon drivers won't load on reboot. Then the standard > framebuffers situation would occur? BTW my video driver is onboard > and is an ATI RV610 if that helps at all. > > Do you think I'm correct in the idea of changing the modeset from 1 > to 0 and would I have problems by doing so? Thanks for your help. > I know i sound goofy but I did a safe upgrade today in the midst of > this mess and a cups file was upgraded and it hosed my printing up. > So far I have printed from the web and can get noting but black, not > blank, but black pages. YOu can understand why I'm a bit > spooky. Some general points: - You need modesettting, so don't disable it. KMS and radeondrmfb are the future, and so it makes no sense to disable, especially when it's a massive improvement on what came before. It will soon (if not already, depending upon the driver), be required to use KMS to run X11 and Wayland. - Font setting works whether you are using a VGA console, framebuffer console or KMS with radeondrmfb. The only differences are limitations in the fontsizes you can load. VGA for example has limited space to store a font, which limits you to IIRC 8×16. OTOH, the framebuffer permits much bigger fonts (I'm using 28×14 for example with KMS and radeondrmfb, and 32×16 also works). - No need to reboot; just all "/etc/init.d/console-setup start" after editing /etc/default/console-setup, to see if it works. - Run setfont by hand to test font loading. That's all the above is doing. This tells you if the console is capable of loading the specific font. Example: setfont /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni2-TerminusBold20x10.psf.gz Try it with all the font files for e.g. Uni2-TerminusBold and see if there's a size limit. If there is, make sure that you're using an appropriately-configured console, e.g. these are mine: % dmesg | grep drmfb [9.046243] fbcon: radeondrmfb (fb0) is primary device [9.485097] fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device % fbset -i mode "1920x1200" geometry 1920 1200 1920 1200 32 timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 accel true rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,0/0 endmode Frame buffer device information: Name: radeondrmfb Address : 0xd0142000 Size: 9216000 Type: PACKED PIXELS Visual : TRUECOLOR XPanStep: 1 YPanStep: 1 YWrapStep : 0 LineLength : 7680 Accelerator : No Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re:[SOLVED] virt terminal font problem
Ivan and group. I went ahead and tried resetting the "radeon modeset] to 0 which is linux for [OFF], and voila' it worked. Shazaam! What do you know. I was afraid I was going to hose it all up but nope, it came up just like it was 'sposed to. Ivan, thank you for your help, so much. I'd gone nuts trying to google the answer to this mess and you directed me to the correct procedure. I've been upgrading wheezy almost every day and it seems like once a week there is a group of messages that I had never received before in Lenny stating that I needed more radeon drivers or firmware or something and I had even hunted to see if I could find them but no joy there either. So hopefully since I'm not loading the radeon driver anymore, at least the radeonFB one I am guessing, maybe I won't get those messages any longer. Again, Ivan thank you. You were a great help. Whit On 09/05/2011 04:12 PM, Whit Hansell wrote: [Having to resend this as I originally only sent it to Ivan - this is to the user group] Thanks for the reply Ivan. Shawn mentioned trying dpkg-reconfigure console-setup so I tried that first and got nowhere but it did give me a notice when I set it in certain setups, as in VGA. It came up w. this notice. Please select the size of the font for the Linux console. Simple │ │ integers corresponding to fonts can be used with all console drivers. │ │ The number then represents the font height (number of scan lines). │ │ Alternatively, the font may be represented as HEIGHTxWIDTH; however, │ │ such font specifications require the kbd console package (not │ │ console-tools) plus framebuffer (and the RadeonFB kernel driver for │ │ framebuffer does not support them either). │ │ │ │ Font heights can be useful for figuring out the real size of the symbols │ │ on the console. For reference, the font used when the computer boots has │ │ size 16. So, on the next page I set the font size to 16 and rebooted just for grins and it made no difference. But on your suggestion, I looked at etc/modprobe.d and found. root@greatstar:/etc/modprobe.d# cat radeon-kms.conf options radeon modeset=1 I'm guessing that if I change the options radeon modeset from 1 to 0, then the radeon drivers won't load on reboot. Then the standard framebuffers situation would occur? BTW my video driver is onboard and is an ATI RV610 if that helps at all. Do you think I'm correct in the idea of changing the modeset from 1 to 0 and would I have problems by doing so? Thanks for your help. I know i sound goofy but I did a safe upgrade today in the midst of this mess and a cups file was upgraded and it hosed my printing up. So far I have printed from the web and can get noting but black, not blank, but black pages. YOu can understand why I'm a bit spooky. Thanks for your help Ivan. I really appreciate it. Whit On 09/05/2011 01:25 AM, Ivan Shmakov wrote: Whit Hansell writes: […] > I had a problem when I purchased a new monitor, an LCD, and it > required me to put "vga=785" at the end of the Kernel line in > menu.list file in order to get any video out of the Virtual Terminal > (F1-6). Now that I have reinstalled w. Wheezy, I have the Virtual > Terminal but the font size is extremely tiny. I cannot see it well > at all and I have a vision problem to start with. Newer Linux& userland VT tools' default is to use video card's graphics mode via a framebuffer console driver, instead of the text mode, which was the older default. My guess is that blacklisting the framebuffer drivers in modprobe.d(5) will allow one to use the text mode as before, but I haven't tried it yet. (I currently have no access to a hardware running Wheezy.) It's also possible to use the Terminus fonts (as of console-terminus, IIRC), e. g.: $ setfont -f /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni3-TerminusBold28x14.psf.gz Depending on the actual screen resolution, a font of up to 32x16 pixel size may be chosen. > This problem w. terminal starts after boot when it gets to a certain > point, I'm assuming init.d, but not sure. While it's trying to check > hardware items it's fine, the standard 80 X 25 large font terminal > screen. Then all of a sudden it changes to the small/tiny font … And it's the time the framebuffer drivers get loaded. > and just before it brings up the splash screen, it sometimes messes > up the whole screen and puts across the top of the screen garbled > lines for just a second, then the splash screen pops up and I have no > problem logging in. Note also that since newer reboot(8) doesn't go through the BIOS (it only reinitializes the kernel), the screen will be garbled at reboot as well. […] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.d
Re: Ugly appearence after upgrade
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:32:27 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:47:46 +, Walter Hurry wrote: > > > On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:57:13 +, Camaleón wrote: > > > >> I neither like gnome-shell in its current state (I tested GNOME > >> 3.0 in openSUSE and did not feel good with it), but I hope it > >> changes a lot when wheezy comes out... and there is also the > >> fallback mode. > > > > The problem with "fallback mode" is that it it is inferior to > > GNOME2. > > Sure, but at least you don't have to deal with gnome-shell and still > run GNOME3. I also have tried openSUSE's GNOME 3. While pretty and not quite as horrible as the internet would have one believe, it wasn't my favorite experience. I would concur with the "my desktop is not a smartphone" point of view. > >> But true is that I'd like so much Debian still provides > >> GNOME2/metacity in wheezy as an alternative to GNOME3/gnome-shell. > > > > The problem with clinging to GNOME2 is that the GNOME project will > > no longer develop it, so unless someone forks the whole kit and > > caboodle, it will eventually die off. > > Yep, but GNOME2 is still supported upstream, at least for now, and I > will use it until it is finally dropped by the GNOME project. I don't > need additional features or enhancements just security fixes. > > And now you mention a fork, there are two projects focused on this: > mate and exde, IIRC. I doubt that these will get much steam, as there are always a lot more people to complain about software (such as myself :D) than actually write new stuff. > > > I am so happy with LXDE that I wish I had switched sooner, but until > > Fedora 15 came out I had been contented and familiar enough with > > GNOME2 not to make the effort to evaluate alternatives. > > > > All this is my personal experience, preference and opinion of > > course; it is for each to make his or her own choice. > > I'm a bit reluctant in changing to XFCE. I migrated from KDE4 to > GNOME2 and now I feel very comfortable in this environment. Being > like a "nomad" is fine for young people that want to taste new > experiences, I prefer a quiet home :-) +1 for LXDE. It's light, fast, and simple - it has made GNOME look sluggish and KDE like a old, lumbering giant. And it's devs don't seem to have any aspirations to reinvent the computing paradigm for now! -- rbmj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905162629.01742...@rbmj-laptop.mason.homeunix.org
google-chrome pdf editor
Hi, Google-chrome has a builtin pdf editor. But when I select a pdf document, for example from www.irs.gov, and edit it, it acts as if it is editing it, but when I save it none of the changes are there. Anyone have this problem? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j43cto$t9c$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: virt terminal font problem
Thank you Brian . I did the dpkg reconfigure console-setup but none of the various iterations I tried worked. I have replied to Ivan's suggestion asking a question about making a change to a file in modprobe.d. I did find a notice in the reconfugure deal re framebuffers and that the driver I seem to be using is the problem. Again thanks for your suggestion. Much appreciated. Whit On 09/05/2011 04:00 AM, Brian wrote: On Sun 04 Sep 2011 at 21:17:14 -0400, Whit Hansell wrote: as anyone any knowledge of manipulating font size in Virt Term in Your first port of call should be dpkg-reconfigure console-setup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e652f46.3030...@comcast.net
Re: virt terminal font problem
[Having to resend this as I originally only sent it to Ivan - this is to the user group] Thanks for the reply Ivan. Shawn mentioned trying dpkg-reconfigure console-setup so I tried that first and got nowhere but it did give me a notice when I set it in certain setups, as in VGA. It came up w. this notice. Please select the size of the font for the Linux console. Simple │ │ integers corresponding to fonts can be used with all console drivers. │ │ The number then represents the font height (number of scan lines). │ │ Alternatively, the font may be represented as HEIGHTxWIDTH; however, │ │ such font specifications require the kbd console package (not │ │ console-tools) plus framebuffer (and the RadeonFB kernel driver for │ │ framebuffer does not support them either). │ │ │ │ Font heights can be useful for figuring out the real size of the symbols │ │ on the console. For reference, the font used when the computer boots has │ │ size 16. So, on the next page I set the font size to 16 and rebooted just for grins and it made no difference. But on your suggestion, I looked at etc/modprobe.d and found. root@greatstar:/etc/modprobe.d# cat radeon-kms.conf options radeon modeset=1 I'm guessing that if I change the options radeon modeset from 1 to 0, then the radeon drivers won't load on reboot. Then the standard framebuffers situation would occur? BTW my video driver is onboard and is an ATI RV610 if that helps at all. Do you think I'm correct in the idea of changing the modeset from 1 to 0 and would I have problems by doing so? Thanks for your help. I know i sound goofy but I did a safe upgrade today in the midst of this mess and a cups file was upgraded and it hosed my printing up. So far I have printed from the web and can get noting but black, not blank, but black pages. YOu can understand why I'm a bit spooky. Thanks for your help Ivan. I really appreciate it. Whit On 09/05/2011 01:25 AM, Ivan Shmakov wrote: Whit Hansell writes: […] > I had a problem when I purchased a new monitor, an LCD, and it > required me to put "vga=785" at the end of the Kernel line in > menu.list file in order to get any video out of the Virtual Terminal > (F1-6). Now that I have reinstalled w. Wheezy, I have the Virtual > Terminal but the font size is extremely tiny. I cannot see it well > at all and I have a vision problem to start with. Newer Linux& userland VT tools' default is to use video card's graphics mode via a framebuffer console driver, instead of the text mode, which was the older default. My guess is that blacklisting the framebuffer drivers in modprobe.d(5) will allow one to use the text mode as before, but I haven't tried it yet. (I currently have no access to a hardware running Wheezy.) It's also possible to use the Terminus fonts (as of console-terminus, IIRC), e. g.: $ setfont -f /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni3-TerminusBold28x14.psf.gz Depending on the actual screen resolution, a font of up to 32x16 pixel size may be chosen. > This problem w. terminal starts after boot when it gets to a certain > point, I'm assuming init.d, but not sure. While it's trying to check > hardware items it's fine, the standard 80 X 25 large font terminal > screen. Then all of a sudden it changes to the small/tiny font … And it's the time the framebuffer drivers get loaded. > and just before it brings up the splash screen, it sometimes messes > up the whole screen and puts across the top of the screen garbled > lines for just a second, then the splash screen pops up and I have no > problem logging in. Note also that since newer reboot(8) doesn't go through the BIOS (it only reinitializes the kernel), the screen will be garbled at reboot as well. […] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e652d2f.1090...@comcast.net
Re: In Need of Advice
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:34:32 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Note that cross-posting to a large number of lists never works out very > well. I would hold discussions one at a time. I have chosen to reply > only to the debian-user list since that is the list to which I am > subscribed. Indeed. I consign crossposted efforts to the bit bucket before reading, and suspect that I am not alone. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j4393d$qpk$4...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Holiday Project for my job
On 09/04/2011 07:48 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 10:35:12AM -0500, ZephyrQ wrote: >> I am trying to set up several Linux desktops for a secure (locked) >> facility for troubled teenagers. I brought one home to set up (so I can >> have unfettered internet access) but then I need to be able to 'clone' >> it to others without internet access (so package retrieval is impossible >> unless I bring home every single desktop; and we are talking about up to >> 50). So I need advice on the following: >> >> 1. Which distro to use? I've used Mint before in a similar setting >> (and was pleased) but I'm now stuck with 6 year old Dells with almost no >> video acceleration and .5 G memory each. I'm thinking XFCE with Mint or >> Xbuntu, but am open to others (even a stock debian install which I use >> on my home machine) but I will not be able to update unless I do so >> manually (which a CD or thumbdrive). >> >> 2. How do I 'clone' the machine to a CD or, preferably, a thumb drive >> so I can install the same configuration to all machines (limiting menu >> options, put in educational games, add openoffice or libreoffice, etc.)? >> > Both of these will allow you to keep a pristine image that only you > update (and you only have to update it on a single machine). When a > client boots, it gets its OS over the network. It always gets a > pristine copy of the image on each boot. Thanks for the advice from all of you. I decided upon a stock Debian (stable) box which I will reproduce with Clonezilla. It is going to take longer than I thought (I still have to modify the menu and retool the partitions a bit--seems the netinstall gave only 9 G to the root partition but 27 G to /home which caused it to overfill when I did the first big download of educational packages). The basic Gnome desktop seems snappy enough on the machine, but I'll be playing with both LXDE and XFCE--I'm running up against common perceptions with both the students and the teachers who have never seen a Linux desktop and I have to keep it as easy for them as possible. Unfortunately, this set of installs will NOT be networked--they are meant to be stand-alones in various classrooms around the building. However, I will be needing the additional advice when I get to actually re-doing the lab I'm in charge of (with a 500 G 3GHz server that has never been used) that I will want to perform some nifty-ness with. Again, thanks for all the advice...and I would appreciate any other wisdom y'all might throw my way...I ran into another snag where I wanted to remove some software but synaptic insists that it will remove Gnome-core (like Evolution and Epiphany...these machines will never be connected to the internet) and while I vaguely remember this issue on the list, I don't remember the fix. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e6526cc.2000...@sbcglobal.net
Re: How to disable USB automounts
Itay wrote: > When I stick a USB device into the socket it is automounted; KDE > pops up device notification widget, file manager window, etc. > > I tried to disable it: > KDE -> System Settings -> Removable Devices, and unchecked > "Enable automatic mounting of removable devices". > This didn't have any effect. My experience is with GNOME but will report it to you anyway. Perhaps the additional information will be useful. For GNOME this behavior is part of Nautilus. You can use the gconf-editor, navigate down to the Nautilus setting /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount and disable it. Next to it is media_automount_open and media_autorun_never in the same location. I disable both of those too. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: In Need of Advice
RiverWind wrote: > Hey There, Note that cross-posting to a large number of lists never works out very well. I would hold discussions one at a time. I have chosen to reply only to the debian-user list since that is the list to which I am subscribed. > I have two computers, a DOS and a Linux box. Now then, I am wanting > to access my Linux box via my DOS box. When you say access, what exactly do you mean? In my mind that conjures up only one image. In my mind I would run a serial terminal emulator on the DOS machine and use it as a serial terminal to the GNU/Linux machine. Of course this has advantages and disadvantages. You old DOS machine probably has a serial port. Most of the older machines did. But your newer GNU/Linux machine might not. Most of the newer machines today are no longer providing those included as standard on the machine. However it is very easy to use a USB to serial converter. I have a couple of such converters on different machines and they work very well. Using one of those USB-serial converters you could easily set it up as a serial console to a machine that did not originally include a serial port. However that will only work once the operating system is loaded. It will not provide access to the BIOS nor to the boot time processes. > I would ultimately like to use my Linux box as my sole ISP. This statement confuses me. Your machine is not an ISP. An ISP is an internet service provider. You would connect your machine to your ISP in order to have access to the larger, and notably hostile, Internet. Because this is something you connect to then you should be able to connect either your DOS machine or your GNU Linux machine to your ISP and you would only need one of them. How are you connecting to your ISP now? By using your DOS machine? How? By phone line modem? By DSL? By cable modem? Other? Broadband is the preferred connection and the majority of broadband users today connect using either a cable modem or a DSL modem. Most of us have happily left phone line modems and the sounds of phone line connections behind. I haven't heard a the bong-bong-chime-buzz of a phone modem connection for a very long time now. > I do not believe that using my modem in order to dial up my Linux > machine would work, but I also know that there is such a thing as a > "NUL" modem cable??? This leads me to believe that you are using a phone line modem to connect to your ISP. True? Yes on the null modem cable. In RS-232 one wire is the transmit and another wire is the receive making the cable connections polarized. This is designed to talk from a computer to a terminal and each had their own polarity. A null-modem cable flips those so that two computers can talk directly without the terminals in the middle. This is the DTE and DCE classifications for data terminal equipment and data computer equipment. You would use a null modem cable to talk RS-232 serial between two computers. Or null modem cable adaptor. Radio Shack sells such an adaptor and as I recall it is around five dollars. With the adaptor any standard serial cable can be converted into a null modem cable. Your GNU Linux machine's /etc/inittab file contains a commented out template line to start a serial terminal "getty" process. Uncomment it. Send init the HUP signal or run 'telinit q' to have init re-read the /etc/inittab. That would be very old-school though. Surely there is a way for you to use your GNU Linux machine directly. Then you would not need to have a serial connection between them. > How would you good gentles go about putting such a plan as mine > into action? In other words, how would you go about accessing a > Linux machine with a DOS system? Is there any special software? > Would I have to use a USB port? If I am not mistaken, DOS doesn't > work with USB ports??? Even more desirable would be the ability to > use the terminal emulator "Commo" as my means of establishing > contact between the respective systems. If your GNU Linux machine has a serial port then connect up a null modem cable between your two computers. Or use a standard serial cable with a null-modem adaptor to connect. On your GNU Linux machine uncomment the getty entry from /etc/inittab. The line to uncomment is the following line: T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 That will start the getty process on the /dev/ttyS0 serial device. If you are using a USB-serial converter then the USB device will be different and that entry will need to be adjusted. For a USB serial device the name is something like /dev/ttyUSB0 and so the "ttyS0" part would need to be changed to be "ttyUSB0" instead. Here is an example for a USB device: T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyUSBS0 9600 vt100 Notice that "ttyS0" has been changed in that example to "ttyUSB0" for a USB to serial converter. The 9600 in the above represents 9600 bits per second, 8-bits, no parity. Then with the above getty in place and running you wou
Re: How to disable USB automounts
On Mon 05 Sep 2011 at 09:17:22 +0300, Itay wrote:
> When I stick a USB device into the socket it is automounted; KDE pops up
> device notification widget, file manager window, etc.
>
> I tried to disable it:
> KDE -> System Settings -> Removable Devices, and unchecked
> "Enable automatic mounting of removable devices".
> This didn't have any effect.
>
> In fact, I would like to disable automounts for all users.
In which case it would have to be done at the system level. Even if the
KDE System Settings method worked for you it is (if it's anything like
XFCE) configurable by a user - not what you want.
> I found in this thread two (contradicting? redundant?) advices.
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/disabling-usb-automount-kde-891757/
>
> 1) To remove the user from plugdev group.
>(But how to avoid future new users from being added to that group?)
The user would no longer be able to mount, view or use files on the USB
device. Which is ok if that is your intention. Removing a new user from
the plugdev group is a snap with vigr and not tedious if it is only
done every so often (and you remember!).
> 2) To disable automount in udev rules.
>I don't understand udev at all, and couldn't locate the actual
>lines that I should comment out.
Create the file
/etc/udev/rules.d/10-no-automount.rules
and in it put the line
ACTION="add|change", subsystem=="block", ENV{UDISKS_AUTOMOUNT_HINT}="never"
No need to reboot as it takes effect immediately.
Before doing this you will have read udisks(7) and know why it may not
work. You may also want to investigate changing the udev rule to see the
effect of UDISKS_PRESENTATION_HIDE.
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Re: Rescuing ancient laptops into emulation.
Hendrik Boom wrote: > I can probably find a small enough Linux Live CD system to boot on it and > use the sshfs or NFS o copy the entire hard drive over the ethernet > connection. But recommendations would be very welcome. Personally since I am a hardware type of guy I would pull the hard disk and mount it directly on another machine and dd the contents since that would be fastest. But if that seems difficult at all then by all means boot a live cd and copy the contents over the network. The result would be exactly the same. > Any suggestions as to what emulators are up to the challenge? Or better > ways of accomplishing the whole project? I would look at Virtual Box. It is very easy to get going using it. http://www.virtualbox.org/ It is packaged for Debian. In Squeeze it is virtualbox-ose and in Wheezy / Sid the package has transitioned to be named simply virtualbox. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/virtualbox-ose http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/virtualbox The Debian wiki has a useful bit of documentation on it. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox > And would I have to rescue just the files or make an entire block-by- > block hard drive image? And would that image have to be in any > (preferably documented?) form? I would image the hard drive. At 2G it is small by today's standards. Having the full image would be the safest way to go. You can always subsequently mount the drive in loopback mode and pull individual files off of it. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to change mac address back after decnet changed it?
Steven wrote: > Some time ago, an update on my wheezy system brought in dnet-common and > some related packages. I noticed that decnet changes the hardware > address of my interfaces, but didn't pay much attention to it, figuring I originally reported this as Bug#608807 back in January when I hit it. libdnet: Only suggest dnet-common package http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=608807 And this is another bug report on it. dnet-common: Do not change MAC addresses unless user chooses to configure DECnet http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=637179 Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Rescuing ancient laptops into emulation.
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:31:17 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > The ancient laptop in question has about 24M main memory, a 2G hard > drive, a plug-in floppy drive, a CD drive, and a 10Mhz coaxial ethernet > PCMCIA card. (Remember those?) > The hard drive will probably fail one of these years. I'm surprised it > hasn't already. > It runs an ancient Windows system, probably Windows 95. > > I can probably rig up enough hardware on another machine to talk to its > ethernet. > > I can probably find a small enough Linux Live CD system to boot on it > and use the sshfs or NFS o copy the entire hard drive over the ethernet > connection. But recommendations would be very welcome. > > Getting the bits is only the first problem, though. Quite a few of > those files are in file formats that can only be understood by the > Windows software that also resides on that machine. > > Oh, the machine also contains one of my favourite legacy video games. > > I'd like to run all that in emulation (or otherwise (any suggestions?)) > on one of my new. shiny Debian boxes. > > Any suggestions as to what emulators are up to the challenge? Or better > ways of accomplishing the whole project? > > And would I have to rescue just the files or make an entire block-by- > block hard drive image? And would that image have to be in any > (preferably documented?) form? DSL? Once you have the files transferred, I'd suggest trying with DosBox as a start. apt-cache search dosbox dosbox - A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS I've tried DosBox - Doom and DoomII run fine in it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j434rs$qpk$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Ugly appearence after upgrade
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:32:27 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:47:46 +, Walter Hurry wrote: > >> On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:57:13 +, Camaleón wrote: >> >>> I neither like gnome-shell in its current state (I tested GNOME 3.0 in >>> openSUSE and did not feel good with it), but I hope it changes a lot >>> when wheezy comes out... and there is also the fallback mode. >> >> The problem with "fallback mode" is that it it is inferior to GNOME2. > > Sure, but at least you don't have to deal with gnome-shell and still run > GNOME3. > >>> But true is that I'd like so much Debian still provides >>> GNOME2/metacity in wheezy as an alternative to GNOME3/gnome-shell. >> >> The problem with clinging to GNOME2 is that the GNOME project will no >> longer develop it, so unless someone forks the whole kit and caboodle, >> it will eventually die off. > > Yep, but GNOME2 is still supported upstream, at least for now, and I > will use it until it is finally dropped by the GNOME project. I don't > need additional features or enhancements just security fixes. > > And now you mention a fork, there are two projects focused on this: mate > and exde, IIRC. > >> I am so happy with LXDE that I wish I had switched sooner, but until >> Fedora 15 came out I had been contented and familiar enough with GNOME2 >> not to make the effort to evaluate alternatives. >> >> All this is my personal experience, preference and opinion of course; >> it is for each to make his or her own choice. > > I'm a bit reluctant in changing to XFCE. I migrated from KDE4 to GNOME2 > and now I feel very comfortable in this environment. Being like a > "nomad" is fine for young people that want to taste new experiences, I > prefer a quiet home :-) I'm slightly confused; I was discussing LXDE not XFCE. Actually I did have a look at XFCE when I was looking for an alternative DE. My verdict was "OK I suppose, but a bit too much of a GNOME wannabe". But as I say, each to his own. By the way, being referred to as "young" is quite flattering; I am nearing retirement age. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j433so$qpk$2...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Ugly appearence after upgrade
On 2011-09-05, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:47:46 +, Walter Hurry wrote: > >> On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:57:13 +, Camaleón wrote: >> >>> I neither like gnome-shell in its current state (I tested GNOME 3.0 in >>> openSUSE and did not feel good with it), but I hope it changes a lot >>> when wheezy comes out... and there is also the fallback mode. >> >> The problem with "fallback mode" is that it it is inferior to GNOME2. > > Sure, but at least you don't have to deal with gnome-shell and still run > GNOME3. > >>> But true is that I'd like so much Debian still provides GNOME2/metacity >>> in wheezy as an alternative to GNOME3/gnome-shell. >> >> The problem with clinging to GNOME2 is that the GNOME project will no >> longer develop it, so unless someone forks the whole kit and caboodle, >> it will eventually die off. > > Yep, but GNOME2 is still supported upstream, at least for now, and I will > use it until it is finally dropped by the GNOME project. I don't need > additional features or enhancements just security fixes. Do you have a reference to the official GNOME2 end-of-life policy? Somehow, I can't see it continuing to be supported when wheezy is released (or even when testing is frozen). > > And now you mention a fork, there are two projects focused on this: mate > and exde, IIRC. Yes, there have been a number of mentions of forks. But with a project as large as GNOME it won't succeed without a big commitment from many volunteers. That doesn't seem to be forthcoming. > >> I am so happy with LXDE that I wish I had switched sooner, but until >> Fedora 15 came out I had been contented and familiar enough with GNOME2 >> not to make the effort to evaluate alternatives. >> >> All this is my personal experience, preference and opinion of course; it >> is for each to make his or her own choice. > > I'm a bit reluctant in changing to XFCE. I migrated from KDE4 to GNOME2 > and now I feel very comfortable in this environment. Being like a "nomad" > is fine for young people that want to taste new experiences, I prefer a > quiet home :-) I know how you feel. I have several users who simply don't like change, and who are happy and productive with GNOME2. They have no interest in a "new desktop paradigm" or whatever. But the days of GNOME2 are numbered. > > Greetings, > > -- > Camaleón > > -- Liam O'Toole Cork, Ireland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnj6a3rb.1tn.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
Re: intel 3D
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:09:25 -0700, gnubayonne-debian...@yahoo.com wrote: > I thought this was the do not buy [insert company name here]'s > harddrives thread. I'm afraid it's not. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.05.17.34...@gmail.com
Re: Ugly appearence after upgrade
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:47:46 +, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:57:13 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> I neither like gnome-shell in its current state (I tested GNOME 3.0 in >> openSUSE and did not feel good with it), but I hope it changes a lot >> when wheezy comes out... and there is also the fallback mode. > > The problem with "fallback mode" is that it it is inferior to GNOME2. Sure, but at least you don't have to deal with gnome-shell and still run GNOME3. >> But true is that I'd like so much Debian still provides GNOME2/metacity >> in wheezy as an alternative to GNOME3/gnome-shell. > > The problem with clinging to GNOME2 is that the GNOME project will no > longer develop it, so unless someone forks the whole kit and caboodle, > it will eventually die off. Yep, but GNOME2 is still supported upstream, at least for now, and I will use it until it is finally dropped by the GNOME project. I don't need additional features or enhancements just security fixes. And now you mention a fork, there are two projects focused on this: mate and exde, IIRC. > I am so happy with LXDE that I wish I had switched sooner, but until > Fedora 15 came out I had been contented and familiar enough with GNOME2 > not to make the effort to evaluate alternatives. > > All this is my personal experience, preference and opinion of course; it > is for each to make his or her own choice. I'm a bit reluctant in changing to XFCE. I migrated from KDE4 to GNOME2 and now I feel very comfortable in this environment. Being like a "nomad" is fine for young people that want to taste new experiences, I prefer a quiet home :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.05.17.32...@gmail.com
Re: In Need of Advice
On 9/5/2011 12:54 PM, RiverWind wrote: > > Hey There, > > I have two computers, a DOS and a Linux box. Now then, I am wanting > to access my Linux box via my DOS box. I would ultimately like to > use my Linux box as my sole ISP. I do not believe that using my > modem in order to dial up my Linux machine would work, but I also > know that there is such a thing as a "NUL" modem cable??? This is a Female-Female DB9 Serial port cable, the savy make their own, I prefer to just buy them for a few bucks (I use 3-4 of them currently to interconnect 5 devices, including my Netgate Firewall, in-case-of LAN failure for some reason. The linux box is assumed as Debian? What type of Dos box is this? MSDOS? FreeDOS? FreeDOS may be a better route or if you are only using this box for a small subset of tools, try DOSBOX, a *nix "dos" emulator. > How would you good gentles go about putting such a plan as mine > into action? In other words, how would you go about accessing a > Linux machine with a DOS system? Is there any special software? > Would I have to use a USB port? If I am not mistaken, DOS doesn't > work with USB ports??? Even more desirable would be the ability to > use the terminal emulator "Commo" as my means of establishing > contact between the respective systems. Just plug the cable in, make sure the DOS BIOS has the COM/DB9 port enabled, note the irq/memory range. Then just tell Commo to use that port to communicate. As for setting it up on your linux box, this link[1] should help you. Be sure to adapt it for your OS, so variations may need to be applied. > I would appreciate any and all advice I can get regarding this > matter, so that I won't need to pay for an ISP when I already have > one. Thanks so much in advance. What your aiming for here is 'Serial Console Access' and that would be some of the keywords you would use to apply your GoogleFu. Obviously, this is general, apply necessary keywords to supplement your search for refinement. > Feel free to visit my website and my blog and learn more about me > and what I stand for. > My Website @ http://riverwind.shellworld.net > My Blog http://windraven13.livejournal.com/ > > hth -- > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
In Need of Advice
Hey There, I have two computers, a DOS and a Linux box. Now then, I am wanting to access my Linux box via my DOS box. I would ultimately like to use my Linux box as my sole ISP. I do not believe that using my modem in order to dial up my Linux machine would work, but I also know that there is such a thing as a "NUL" modem cable??? How would you good gentles go about putting such a plan as mine into action? In other words, how would you go about accessing a Linux machine with a DOS system? Is there any special software? Would I have to use a USB port? If I am not mistaken, DOS doesn't work with USB ports??? Even more desirable would be the ability to use the terminal emulator "Commo" as my means of establishing contact between the respective systems. I would appreciate any and all advice I can get regarding this matter, so that I won't need to pay for an ISP when I already have one. Thanks so much in advance. cheerio, Riv Feel free to visit my website and my blog and learn more about me and what I stand for. My Website @ http://riverwind.shellworld.net My Blog http://windraven13.livejournal.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1109051253450.61...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: Ugly appearence after upgrade
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:57:13 +, Camaleón wrote: > I neither like gnome-shell in its current state (I tested GNOME 3.0 in > openSUSE and did not feel good with it), but I hope it changes a lot > when wheezy comes out... and there is also the fallback mode. The problem with "fallback mode" is that it it is inferior to GNOME2. > But true is that I'd like so much Debian still provides GNOME2/metacity > in wheezy as an alternative to GNOME3/gnome-shell. The problem with clinging to GNOME2 is that the GNOME project will no longer develop it, so unless someone forks the whole kit and caboodle, it will eventually die off. I am so happy with LXDE that I wish I had switched sooner, but until Fedora 15 came out I had been contented and familiar enough with GNOME2 not to make the effort to evaluate alternatives. All this is my personal experience, preference and opinion of course; it is for each to make his or her own choice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j42ufi$qpk$1...@dough.gmane.org
Rescuing ancient laptops into emulation.
The ancient laptop in question has about 24M main memory, a 2G hard drive, a plug-in floppy drive, a CD drive, and a 10Mhz coaxial ethernet PCMCIA card. (Remember those?) The hard drive will probably fail one of these years. I'm surprised it hasn't already. It runs an ancient Windows system, probably Windows 95. I can probably rig up enough hardware on another machine to talk to its ethernet. I can probably find a small enough Linux Live CD system to boot on it and use the sshfs or NFS o copy the entire hard drive over the ethernet connection. But recommendations would be very welcome. Getting the bits is only the first problem, though. Quite a few of those files are in file formats that can only be understood by the Windows software that also resides on that machine. Oh, the machine also contains one of my favourite legacy video games. I'd like to run all that in emulation (or otherwise (any suggestions?)) on one of my new. shiny Debian boxes. Any suggestions as to what emulators are up to the challenge? Or better ways of accomplishing the whole project? And would I have to rescue just the files or make an entire block-by- block hard drive image? And would that image have to be in any (preferably documented?) form? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j42tgk$be1$3...@dough.gmane.org
[SOLVED] Re: how to change mac address back after decnet changed it?
On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 16:22 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Mon 05 Sep 2011 at 16:58:02 +0200, Steven wrote: > > > Thanks, I was able to find the old hw addresses > > in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rule (thanks Tom H for the tip), > > unfortunately the ifconfig method does not persist after reboot. > > And I doubt the method Tom H suggested would work since the old address > > is still in the udev file, not the new decnet address. > > hwaddress is in interfaces(5). It might help. > Of course, I almost forgot about /etc/network/interfaces :) Thanks a lot. Kind regards, Steven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: How to disable USB automounts
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:17:22 +0300, Itay wrote: > When I stick a USB device into the socket it is automounted; KDE pops up > device notification widget, file manager window, etc. > > I tried to disable it: > KDE -> System Settings -> Removable Devices, and unchecked "Enable > automatic mounting of removable devices". This didn't have any effect. > > In fact, I would like to disable automounts for all users. What I hate about automounts on a mutiuser system is taht it usually picks the wrong user. If it picked the user whose vertual terminal is actually on-screen at the moment it would be a big improvement. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j42s2v$be1$2...@dough.gmane.org
Re: intel 3D
I thought this was the do not buy [insert company name here]'s harddrives thread. - Original Message From: Camaleón To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Mon, September 5, 2011 8:04:04 AM Subject: Re: intel 3D On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:24:39 -0700, gnubayonne-debian...@yahoo.com wrote: > On my laptop I have squeeze installed, with 3d/hardware acceleration, > but it seems not to help much. I'm wondering if there could be something > mis-configured or is this just the best my hardware can do. (...) Please, open a new thread for your problem, this is about "Re: more woes with my debian install: booting edition". Thanks, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.05.12.04...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1315238965.84418.yahoomai...@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com
Re: [OT]: viewable/ printable scheduler/ calendar
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:39:44 +0100, AG wrote: > Hi list > > I am looking for a calendar/ scheduler that will have the following > properties: > > (i) allow day/ week/ month views and printing > > (ii) will give reminders for upcoming scheduled events > > (iii) is /not/ tied to a larger program (e.g. Evolution) > > (iv) will minimise to the task area/ system tray in either Gnome or > Xfce4 > > Currently, I am using Orage which is pretty good for reminders and easy > to use. However, I have not (yet) found a way of either viewing or > printing out forthcoming appointments in day/ week/ month view. > > Any recommendations from others on this list about an application that > will meet my four criteria? > > Thanks in anticipation. > > AG I use GPE Calendar. It runs on my Nokia N800, and seems to have the properties you want. Not sure how it interacts with Gnome or Xfce, thhough. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j42rua$be1$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: sharing one r/w unix filesystem between different machines and users
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:21:18AM +0200, Christoph Groth wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to share the data saved on an external USB drive between > different (GNU/Linux) machines, each having different users. Each user > should be able to mount the drive and read and write any files as he or > she pleases. The users aren't necessary root themselves. > > Is there a way to implement such a scheme with a non-windows filesystem > like ext3? > > I understand how Unix file permissions work. However, for a removable > drive which might be connected to different systems (with completely > unrelated uids/gids), assigning fixed uids/gids to files just doesn't > make any sense. This is untested ... Use: user = nobody 65534 group = users 100 or nogroup 65534 Then use BSD type file permission schemr using set GID trick to the mount point directory as root only when you start using it. $ sudo chmod 5775 /mount/point/ Let each system mount it automatically. Does not this work for you? > What's the best FS for sharing data between unrelated Linux systems? Is > it really FAT or NTFS? > > Thanks, > Christoph > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87hb55ku8x@falma.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905152202.ga15...@debian.org
Re: how to change mac address back after decnet changed it?
On Mon 05 Sep 2011 at 16:58:02 +0200, Steven wrote: > Thanks, I was able to find the old hw addresses > in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rule (thanks Tom H for the tip), > unfortunately the ifconfig method does not persist after reboot. > And I doubt the method Tom H suggested would work since the old address > is still in the udev file, not the new decnet address. hwaddress is in interfaces(5). It might help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905152218.GO28063@desktop
Re: USB-Printer prints RAW PCL6-Code
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:05:36 +0200, Martin Lorenz wrote: >> Hum... it's weird that a problem with the USB stack allows windows to >> print from the VM client because it finally ends at the same point. >> >> I would review CUPS logs, just in case (/var/log/cups/*) and also try >> with Samsug's linux unified drivers: >> >> http://www.samsung.com/ca/support/detail/supportPrdDetail.do?menu=SP01&prd_ia_cd=&prd_mdl_cd=&prd_mdl_name=ML-2150 >> >> If none helps, I would open a bug report. If it worked fine with kernel >> 2.6.39 (and same drivers) that can be something where to start looking >> at. >> >> > tried some more and found that it dosen't work with kernel 2.6.38 > either. > > When I spool several print-jobs in a row such that the second, third, > etc. is in the queue before the first one has finished printing, than it > spits out all jobs in a row fine and good. > > The moment i leave a pause for the printer to become idle between the > first and second job the second one fails (and so do all subsequent > jobs) Next time go for a PostScript printer (or add this as add-in whether optional), you will avoid all these weirdnesses and won't be driver-dependant :-) > and now another one: with a laptop running ubuntu 11.04 it works well. > the laptop has older CUPS version, driver version and it does NOT > blacklist usblp ... > > I meanwhile also tried to install Samsung's unified driver but with no > luck. It dosen't even recognize the printer. > > So as a workaround I use the ubuntu laptop as print server while > searching for a solution. Opening a bug report will help to solve the issue quicker. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.05.15.35...@gmail.com
Re: How to disable USB automounts
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:17:22 +0300, Itay wrote:
(...)
> 1) To remove the user from plugdev group.
> (But how to avoid future new users from being added to that group?)
(...)
Mmm... you can edit the default settings for users creation ("/etc/
adduser.conf") and removing that concrete group.
Greetings,
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Re: debian squeeze - default sound card
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 12:01:55PM +, Camaleón wrote: > Unofficial ALSA FAQ has also good examples on how to change the default > device: > > How can I change the default ALSA device? > http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 Hello, Thank you. Greetings, -- Frederic Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905150512.gb25...@petra.fredericrobert.be
Re: debian squeeze - default sound card
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 12:06:11PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > See /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz Hello, Thank you. -- Frederic Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905150355.ga25...@petra.fredericrobert.be
Re: how to change mac address back after decnet changed it?
On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 13:29 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: [...snip...] > > According to wikipedia[1], this is a feature, not a bug: > | The Ethernet implementation was unusual in that the software changed > | the physical address of the Ethernet interface on the network to > | AA-00-04-00-xx-yy where xx-yy reflected the DECnet network address of > | the host. This allowed ARP-less LAN operation because the LAN address > | could be deduced from the DECnet address. This precluded connecting two > | NICs from the same DECnet node onto the same LAN segment, however. > > So your DECnet address would be 0x0A04. I imagine this confuses many network switches when unsuspecting users pulled in these updates? > > > > > > So how do I get rid of that aa:00:04:00:0a:04 address? And getting the > > old ones back, note that I do not remember the old ones, nor do I have > > them all written out somewhere. > > You should be able to set the address with: > $ ifconfig ethN hw ether aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff > > The value of the address doesn't really matter so long as it's unique on > your ethernet segment (i.e. your network). Then again, if you're doing > some sort of bonding or balancing, it doesn't even have to be unique. Thanks, I was able to find the old hw addresses in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rule (thanks Tom H for the tip), unfortunately the ifconfig method does not persist after reboot. And I doubt the method Tom H suggested would work since the old address is still in the udev file, not the new decnet address. Why would one want to have this actually? Personally I don't see the advantage it gives me over my existing network configuration using mostly tcp/ip over ethernet. Just curious. Also according to the wikipedia link you gave, decnet code in the kernel was orphaned with 2.6.33, I don't know if that is still the case. Kind regards, Steven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: how to change mac address back after decnet changed it?
On Mon 05 Sep 2011 at 08:41:39 -0400, Tom H wrote: > It's probably hard-wired the MAC into the udev rules. Move > "/etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules" out and reboot (there's > probably a way of regenerating it with udevadm but I don't know it). > It'll be regenerated with your original MACs. You can diff the old and > new to be sure. For eth0 echo add > /sys/class/net/eth0/uevent would be sufficient. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905135657.GN28063@desktop
Re: List of upgradable packages, version numbers and changelog?
On 2011-09-05, Markus Fischer wrote: > Hi, > > how can I get a list of all upgradable packages, their current and > future version numbers and the ChangeLog? > > I can get the list of packages and the version numbers from > apt-show-versions: > > $ apt-show-versions -u > apache2/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 > apache2-mpm-worker/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to > 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 > apache2-utils/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to > 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 > apache2.2-bin/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to > 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 > apache2.2-common/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to > 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 > > But how can I get the ChangeLog of these packages? > > I'm also aware of apt-listchanges which I installed and configured to > automatically run when I upgrade the packages. > > However, I want to get the packages/versions/ChangeLog without actually > doing the upgrade itself, i.e. I don't want to use super user privileges > for any of the actions (this also rules out auto-downloading the > packages the usual ap-get way). > > From reading the apt-listchanges page I get the impression I can > somehow get the ChangeLog, but it talks about a pipeline to use and it > does not state how this is supposed to work? > > thanks, > - Markus > > Do you use aptitude? The 'changelog' subcommand will fetch and display the Debian changelog in your pager, e.g., $ aptitude changelog apache2 -- Liam O'Toole Cork, Ireland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnj69m0n.1tn.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
Re: multitouch
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:15:43 -0300, David Roguin wrote: > So far I've noticed that the modules were installed on /usr/local/lib > instead of /usr/lib; I've corrected that and also added this to the > xorg.conf: > > Section "Modules" >Load "mtrack" > EndSection > > Now Xorg actually loads the module: > [ 2061.816] (II) LoadModule: "mtrack" > [ 2061.816] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/mtrack_drv.so > [ 2061.816] (II) Module mtrack: vendor="X.Org Foundation" Good :-) > but it still not working. I've read the whole thread on the ubuntuforums > ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1730361) but nothing from > there was really helpful. Ouch. I'm afraid I can't be of any help here because I don't use that driver ;- ( Let's see if someone else can provide additional tips for setting up the touchpad. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.05.13.41...@gmail.com
ssh-agent started but environment not set
Hi On my testing box, the ssh-agent gets started by settings in /etc/X11/Xsession.options. This works as expected. However, the environment is not set when I start Konsole (yes, KDE user). IMO this should work out of the box without my patching whatever, but maybe I missed something? TIA, ändu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e64cf20.1050...@worldwideweber.ch
Re: Dual Boot.
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 05:26:12AM -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Heddle Weaver wrote: > > > > If you state as you seem to be , that Microsoft don't enter into grubby > > strategies of monopoly control, it ain't me that looks 'silly at best'. > > Everyone wants to be a monopolist; to quote Vin Diesel from "The > Chronicles of Riddick": It's an animal thing. So? Doesn't mean its true. > MS isn't an exception, it's the rule! And those who lived through > IBM's pre-PC, pre-MS behavior (not me) will tell you that MS is > civilized by comparison. LOL Do a google search on "Gates homebrew" - I mean, hell, isn't that why we use Linux? Also read: http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_intro.html I've a feeling I've fallen for the troll ... -- "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905140017.GA2805@fischer
Re: how to change mac address back after decnet changed it?
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Steven wrote: > > Some time ago, an update on my wheezy system brought in dnet-common and > some related packages. I noticed that decnet changes the hardware > address of my interfaces, but didn't pay much attention to it, figuring > they would at least be unique, so I could fix up dhcp later. Having a > different IP for some time isn't all that bad in my setup. > However now I noticed that these hardware addresses are certainly NOT > unique. I have a machine with 2 NICs and both have aa:00:04:00:0a:04 as > hardware address (second one isn't plugged in physically), so is the > eth0 interface on my laptop. This obviously can't be right. > I already uninstalled the dnet-common package from 1 machine, but to no > effect after rebooting. It's neither an option when reconfiguring the > dnet-common package. > > So how do I get rid of that aa:00:04:00:0a:04 address? And getting the > old ones back, note that I do not remember the old ones, nor do I have > them all written out somewhere. > > This is getting pretty troublesome, as my DHCP server uses mac addresses > to always give the same IP to some machines on the network, (keeping > config centralized, but static IP to allow port forwarding). It's probably hard-wired the MAC into the udev rules. Move "/etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules" out and reboot (there's probably a way of regenerating it with udevadm but I don't know it). It'll be regenerated with your original MACs. You can diff the old and new to be sure. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=szprt6ob-jm3cx5fste7rkxft9vkh2viuwexhwzm1w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to change mac address back after decnet changed it?
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 02:10:11PM +0200, Steven wrote: > Dear Debian users, > > Some time ago, an update on my wheezy system brought in dnet-common and > some related packages. I noticed that decnet changes the hardware > address of my interfaces, but didn't pay much attention to it, figuring > they would at least be unique, so I could fix up dhcp later. Having a > different IP for some time isn't all that bad in my setup. > However now I noticed that these hardware addresses are certainly NOT > unique. I have a machine with 2 NICs and both have aa:00:04:00:0a:04 as > hardware address (second one isn't plugged in physically), so is the > eth0 interface on my laptop. This obviously can't be right. > I already uninstalled the dnet-common package from 1 machine, but to no > effect after rebooting. It's neither an option when reconfiguring the > dnet-common package. According to wikipedia[1], this is a feature, not a bug: | The Ethernet implementation was unusual in that the software changed | the physical address of the Ethernet interface on the network to | AA-00-04-00-xx-yy where xx-yy reflected the DECnet network address of | the host. This allowed ARP-less LAN operation because the LAN address | could be deduced from the DECnet address. This precluded connecting two | NICs from the same DECnet node onto the same LAN segment, however. So your DECnet address would be 0x0A04. > > So how do I get rid of that aa:00:04:00:0a:04 address? And getting the > old ones back, note that I do not remember the old ones, nor do I have > them all written out somewhere. You should be able to set the address with: $ ifconfig ethN hw ether aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff The value of the address doesn't really matter so long as it's unique on your ethernet segment (i.e. your network). Then again, if you're doing some sort of bonding or balancing, it doesn't even have to be unique. [1] http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECnet -- Darac Marjal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905122945.ga13...@darac.org.uk
Re: Drive failure rates (was Re: DO NOT BUY Western Digital "Green" Drives (also present in WD "Elements" external USB cases))
D G Teed wrote a MESSY HTML message that wasn't trimmed.: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/labs.google.com/en//papers/disk_failures.pdf Your email was horribly formatted, so it was much easier to junk the content. Now, another factor, the drive failure rates are probably way understated in the general populace because the cost of the drives are so low and the effort to destroy personal data (if still possible) and everything else that goes into RMA is just not worth the effort. We are talking about commodity items these days. In times gone past, replacing a faulty drive was more expensive and the RMA process was worth it, but today it is quite often not work the trouble on the cheaper range of drives -- hence failure rates would surely go heavily under reported. -- Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan Broadband Solutions now including VoIP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e64bc39.6040...@affinityvision.com.au
how to change mac address back after decnet changed it?
Dear Debian users, Some time ago, an update on my wheezy system brought in dnet-common and some related packages. I noticed that decnet changes the hardware address of my interfaces, but didn't pay much attention to it, figuring they would at least be unique, so I could fix up dhcp later. Having a different IP for some time isn't all that bad in my setup. However now I noticed that these hardware addresses are certainly NOT unique. I have a machine with 2 NICs and both have aa:00:04:00:0a:04 as hardware address (second one isn't plugged in physically), so is the eth0 interface on my laptop. This obviously can't be right. I already uninstalled the dnet-common package from 1 machine, but to no effect after rebooting. It's neither an option when reconfiguring the dnet-common package. So how do I get rid of that aa:00:04:00:0a:04 address? And getting the old ones back, note that I do not remember the old ones, nor do I have them all written out somewhere. This is getting pretty troublesome, as my DHCP server uses mac addresses to always give the same IP to some machines on the network, (keeping config centralized, but static IP to allow port forwarding). Any help appreciated. Kind regards, Steven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: DO NOT BUY Western Digital "Green" Drives (also present in WD "Elements" external USB cases)
> IMHO Hitachi GST is the only maker of 2.5" or 3.5" *SATA* HDDs worth > buying ATM. I will agree. > It may or may not last, as WD is buying Hitach GST. This I hadn't heard. I will have to read about this one. -- Pete Orrall ppat...@gmail.com If there isn't a way I'll make one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1315223595.2527.25.camel@Neuron.8EEWS
Re: debian squeeze - default sound card
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 04:46:14 +, Frederic Robert wrote: > I'm using debian squeeze, i've two sound cards. > > 0 snd_hda_intel > 1 snd_usb_audio > > How to change the default sound card? Unofficial ALSA FAQ has also good examples on how to change the default device: How can I change the default ALSA device? http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.05.12.01...@gmail.com
Re: intel 3D
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:24:39 -0700, gnubayonne-debian...@yahoo.com wrote: > On my laptop I have squeeze installed, with 3d/hardware acceleration, > but it seems not to help much. I'm wondering if there could be something > mis-configured or is this just the best my hardware can do. (...) Please, open a new thread for your problem, this is about "Re: more woes with my debian install: booting edition". Thanks, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.05.12.04...@gmail.com
Re: Ugly appearence after upgrade
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 20:25:03 +, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:19:46 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> Does anyone know how to solve this? >> >> I guess this is something related to the migration to GTK3 and GNOME3. >> I'd say we have to be patient. > > Well, I don't wish to be patient. I ran into the GNOME3 monstrosity > early, since I run Fedora as well as Debian. When Fedora 15 was released > I looked at a few alternative DEs and shifted to LXDE, which I run on > Squeeze too now. I am a *very* happy camper. LXDE suits me very well > indeed; robust, flexible, straightforward to configure and lightning > fast. > > I do run a few GNOME applications, but not many. I neither like gnome-shell in its current state (I tested GNOME 3.0 in openSUSE and did not feel good with it), but I hope it changes a lot when wheezy comes out... and there is also the fallback mode. But true is that I'd like so much Debian still provides GNOME2/metacity in wheezy as an alternative to GNOME3/gnome-shell. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.05.11.57...@gmail.com
Drive failure rates (was Re: DO NOT BUY Western Digital "Green" Drives (also present in WD "Elements" external USB cases))
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:41 PM, wrote: > > - Original Message - > *From: *Brad Rogers > *To: *Debian Users ML > *Sent: *9/4/2011 6:26:48 PM > *Subject: *Re: DO NOT BUY Western Digital "Green" Drives (also present in > WD "Elements" external USB cases) > > On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 13:27:51 -0400 > Doug wrote: > > Hello Doug, > > > It's been a few years since I retired, but I remember the IT guys > > replacing a _lot_ of Western Digital drives. I guess the > > In the same vein, I remember lots of Seagate drives being replaced. For > a while the company had a nickname of Seacrate. Possibly because that's > what most of their gear was worth at the time; Crating up, and chucking > in the sea. > > At various times, products from certain companies go through a bad > time. Usually, it can be attributed to some factor or other. For > example, one drive manufacturer's drives started failing prematurely > because the wrong type of bearing oil had been used. Such issues often > go unnoticed until quite large numbers of faulty products are in use. > The offending company earns a bad reputation until the next company comes > along and makes a cock-up and everyone forgets about the first one. > > WD, Seagate, and just about every other drive manufacturer has gone > through these cycles. It's nothing new, and will continue for years to > come. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > The man in a tracksuit attacks me > I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs > > The two most recent studies (one based on Google hardware and one from > Carnegie-Mellon) provide two interesting insights: > > 1. While there does not appear to be a strong correlation between failures > and manufacturers there is a strong correlation between drive models from a > manufacturer and failures. The inference is that WD may not be > failure-prone but some WD products are failure-prone. > > 2. There is not a strong dependency between drive temperature and > failures. > > > This is now a different topic than the original one on green drives. Here is a study by google on their drive failure rates. This is from a few years ago, but I believe the correlations would hold true today: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/labs.google.com/en//papers/disk_failures.pdf The failure rate rises at the three year mark under higher temperatures. This is consistent with how I understood the relationship between temperature and electronics. It doesn't kill it immediately, but stresses the components and shortens the lifespan. For some reason, there is more failure in low temperatures and young drives. I suspect there is another variable in there they have not isolated, such as low humidity and static electricity, or vibration, etc. - something that would have been common to the drives operating in a colder data centre. There is also this 2007 study, showing the failure rates are much higher than the theoretical number thrown out by drive manufacturers: http://www.pcworld.com/article/129558/study_hard_drive_failure_rates_much_higher_than_makers_estimate.html However it is based on consumer returns, not actual verified bad disks. Some of the responses from manufacturers in that article seem to want the blame offloaded to the customer. A comment from 2010 following the article says that at the current low prices for drives, they are at a commodity level. Essentially he is saying there is no room for quality to be built in with $60 hard drives, and you should stock drives the way bakers stock bags of flour. Personally, I've seen an overall increase in electronics failures straight off the shelf. Indications are that motherboard makers, flash memory makers, etc., do not test or burn in the newly manufactured equipment to pull out the usual small percentage of manufacturing flaws. With cheap electronics, they can't afford to QA the final product - it is cheaper for the customer to test it for them and RMA it.
Re: Ugly appearence after upgrade
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 19:07 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2011-09-04 18:32 +0200, Chir0n wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > after an "aptitude dist-upgrade" to testing (and to unstable too) some GTK2 > > applications look ugly, like GTK1 appplications. > > > > Gnome-terminal and Epiphany are two of them. So is evolution > > They are not, because they are not GTK2 applications anymore. This may > be related to your problem, although gnome-terminal does not look ugly > here (I don't use Epiphany). It depends on your theme, I had clearlooks enabled and gnome-terminal looks un-themed, grey, and ugly, so does evolution after the update to 3.0. To 'fix' this, you only need to enable a theme that is fit for gnome 3. For example adwaita, however you can mix it up a bit. Go to system - preferences - Appearance, on the theme tab I had clearlooks selected. So I click customize, then on the controls tab I selected adwaita controls, left the other settings as they were (clearlooks) and then close the windows. Now all my gtk2 apps looks clearlooks themed, and gtk3 apps (like evolution and gnome-terminal) get the adwaita controls, it's not the same, but definitely looks better than nothing. Kind regards, Steven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: debian squeeze - default sound card
* Frederic Robert [110905 04:46 +]: > Hello, > > I'm using debian squeeze, i've two sound cards. > > 0 snd_hda_intel > 1 snd_usb_audio > > How to change the default sound card? See /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz Elimar -- Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905100611.gj25...@samweis.home.lxtec.de
List of upgradable packages, version numbers and changelog?
Hi, how can I get a list of all upgradable packages, their current and future version numbers and the ChangeLog? I can get the list of packages and the version numbers from apt-show-versions: $ apt-show-versions -u apache2/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 apache2-mpm-worker/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 apache2-utils/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 apache2.2-bin/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 apache2.2-common/squeeze upgradeable from 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 to 2.2.16-6+squeeze2 But how can I get the ChangeLog of these packages? I'm also aware of apt-listchanges which I installed and configured to automatically run when I upgrade the packages. However, I want to get the packages/versions/ChangeLog without actually doing the upgrade itself, i.e. I don't want to use super user privileges for any of the actions (this also rules out auto-downloading the packages the usual ap-get way). From reading the apt-listchanges page I get the impression I can somehow get the ChangeLog, but it talks about a pipeline to use and it does not state how this is supposed to work? thanks, - Markus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e649f0c.6030...@fischer.name
[OT]: viewable/ printable scheduler/ calendar
Hi list I am looking for a calendar/ scheduler that will have the following properties: (i) allow day/ week/ month views and printing (ii) will give reminders for upcoming scheduled events (iii) is /not/ tied to a larger program (e.g. Evolution) (iv) will minimise to the task area/ system tray in either Gnome or Xfce4 Currently, I am using Orage which is pretty good for reminders and easy to use. However, I have not (yet) found a way of either viewing or printing out forthcoming appointments in day/ week/ month view. Any recommendations from others on this list about an application that will meet my four criteria? Thanks in anticipation. AG -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e6498e0.5010...@gmail.com
Re: virt terminal font problem
On Sun 04 Sep 2011 at 21:17:14 -0400, Whit Hansell wrote: > Has anyone any knowledge of manipulating font size in Virt Term in > Wheezy? Any help will be appreciated. It is not an imperative as I can > and do use the gnome terminal program but it would be nice to be able to > use the Virtual Terminal because once in a while. Your first port of call should be dpkg-reconfigure console-setup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110905080019.GM28063@desktop
