Re: Grub-install problems was Re: terminal prompts
On 12-04-08 12:09 PM, Indulekha wrote: In linux.debian.user, Frank McCormickdebianl...@videotron.ca wrote: I mounted sda2, and tried to ChRoot into it. I couldn't...I kept getting an error message unable to run /bin/zsh Perhaps because it's /usr/bin/zsh? I don't know...I didn't master the SystemRescue disk :) I don't know why it would be in /usr/binBash is in /bin -- Cheers Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f81bfa3.4030...@videotron.ca
Double quotes, single quotes
Dear deb users, I can't seem to find the correct combination of quotes to run this command: $vi +r ! find . -name 'error*' -printf '%f\n' themain.c Is there a way to achieve this (using bash)? Thanks! Beco -- Dr. Beco A.I. research, Cognitive Scientist and Philosopher Linux Counter #201942
Re: [OT] Re: Free as in speech hardware ebook reader
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:21:22 +0300, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote: On 04/07/2012 07:45 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 00:12:45 +0300, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote: Having a bad track record of not taking care of dead tree books, I am looking to buy an electronic book reader. (...) I'm following very closely the ongoing movements of Kobo¹ and Vivaldi². (...) Thanks! I am more oriented towards the Kobo, since it is an ebook reader specifically. The promise of an open platform seems alluring. Do you know if it runs GNU/Linux or whether I'll be able to install it? Seems perfect, reasonably priced too, thanks. Mmm... according to Wikipedia¹, Kobo e-Readers run Linux (no additional info is given) and according to their spcecs sheet², they're based on SoC, Freescale processor, thus ARM based³. I'm not sure how feasible would be installing a different OS on such devices, but neither forget about guarantee which sure will be lost after replacing the OS with something else. Sorry I didn't mark my post OT, I wasn't sure if it was, since it kind of involves Debian. No prob. I just tagged it as OT just because it was not directly related to Debian, but regardless related or not I find it an interesting subject :-) ¹http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-book_readers#Electronic-paper_displays ²http://www.kobobooks.com/touch_tech ³http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.MX#i.MX50_family Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jlsfke$f2u$1...@dough.gmane.org
Installing and setup drupal6 on Debian Squeeze
Hi,
I just installed drupal6 on my Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze system on my
headless Power PC.
At installation I choosed to automatically create MySQL database
'drupal6'.
After successfully(?) installation I edited file:
sudo nano /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[snip]
Alias /drupal6 /usr/share/drupal6
Directory /usr/share/drupal6/
Options +FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride All
order allow,deny
allow from all
/Directory
/VirtualHost
I did copy these lines abowe from the file
/etc/drupal/6/apache.conf
I restarted apache2 server:
sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
(I have my registered FQDN: cspl.me and apache2 uses this domain on this
machine.)
After that I'm trying to open the webpage: http://cspl.me/drupal6 but I
get warnings:
Warning: Table 'drupal6.access' doesn't exist query: SELECT 1 FROM
access WHERE type = 'host' AND LOWER('192.168.10.90') LIKE LOWER(mask)
AND status = 0 LIMIT 0, 1 in
/usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 128
Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session
cookie - headers already sent by (output started at
/usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc:128) in
/usr/share/drupal6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 1143
Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session
cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at
/usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc:128) in
/usr/share/drupal6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 1143
Warning: Table 'drupal6.cache' doesn't exist query: SELECT data,
created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache WHERE cid = 'variables'
in /usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 128
Warning: Table 'drupal6.variable' doesn't exist query: SELECT * FROM
variable in /usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 128
Warning: Table 'drupal6.cache' doesn't exist query: UPDATE cache SET
data = '', created = 1333903496, expire = 0, headers = '', serialized =
0 WHERE cid = 'variables' in
/usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 128
Warning: Table 'drupal6.system' doesn't exist query: SELECT name,
filename, throttle FROM system WHERE type = 'module' AND status = 1 AND
bootstrap = 1 ORDER BY weight ASC, filename ASC in
/usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 128
Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by
(output started at /usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc:128)
in /usr/share/drupal6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 709
Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by
(output started at /usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc:128)
in /usr/share/drupal6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 710
Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by
(output started at /usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc:128)
in /usr/share/drupal6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 711
Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by
(output started at /usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc:128)
in /usr/share/drupal6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 712
Warning: Table 'drupal6.url_alias' doesn't exist query: SELECT
COUNT(pid) FROM url_alias in
/usr/share/drupal6/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 128
Fatal error: Call to undefined function filter_xss() in
/usr/share/drupal6/includes/common.inc on line 656
So something is wrong.
When I open the 'drupal6' database using 'mysql' command on the machine
I get these informations:
mysql show databases;
++
| Database |
++
| information_schema |
| drupal6|
| horde |
| moodle |
| mysql |
++
5 rows in set (0.47 sec)
mysql use drupal6;
Database changed
mysql show tables;
Empty set (0.00 sec)
What can I do to solve this problem?
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Re: [OT] Posting styles
Lisi wrote: On Sunday 08 April 2012 17:15:49 PMA wrote: P.S. I may as well add here, that it would help me -- in opening a Debian list email -- *not* to see blank lines at the top of the message (like the two at top here). They're what I have to fight, as they beckon, Now y'all just scribble right in here. That is your email client, not the list. I see no such blank lines. And anyway, I would have said that what says to most of us start to write here is the position of the cursor, and that is attributable to you and your email client. Lisi Aha! Got it *here* now. Thanks. Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f81cace.40...@aya.yale.edu
Re: skype?
* Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com [120408 17:39]: ... though we would love to find another multi-platform, easy to install voip program, preferably open source, to replace it. I also need such a package. It appears to me that Ekiga (formerly gnomemeeting) is a good solution. Am I mistaken? Ideally, it should be sufficiently similar and simple, so that I could persuade the other guy (who almost invariably is running Skype on a Window$ box) to install Ekiga. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408175302.GA3349@cromwell.tmiaf
Re: [OT] Posting styles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08.04.2012 18:12, Chris Bannister wrote: ... The mail client should do all that for you. Verifying PGP/MIME signature = ? ditto. I use the mutt email client and so don't know off hand but do any of these help: http://ask.metafilter.com/18209/How-do-I-use-Thunderbirds-inbuilt-encryption http://www.djigzo.com/documents/smime-setup-guide.pdf http://enigmail.mozdev.org/home/index.php.html Probably you should post to: http://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/enigmail/ Archives: http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/enigmail/ This is interesting: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html Alot of useful information using: Verifying PGP/MIME signature site:www.mozdev.org as the search term in google. I know that email clients can do it automatically, but there are rare cases when it's necessary to verify signatures manually. - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgdVSAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoAnsQAMYTdHGT6Q5VSy7e5gmwxsfX IsjAJcRl05m+gMc9j5qtFQwg2x5eCGYytRJVNbqcTY3sQM+KFxJ97Q0G0AigQHCu 4BYKZgTllw/zmazWhgNe4i9+dzG8nFf8hgs4FpzkkiKNgYkGtW/MT938CEo1Eqlf 3Gg5RkyHsqU6ioGfp7YN3Li5kOTZBGwnXz4f2QW3ul9B+diD54g8OQKd5RN7su1h WjDz8I/IooXqKl4zwxqw3/i/kfIx/Y+5AO8eqHjO05y9FBavf482KAJjTTvOCVAc RV4O0iPXzFIzd0A1Gp5RzoAEPnIsQaxQv/9HABnlM2q6pk0YzqTjNNRIboz8Oe1h TmKpcsEtL9lh0bTngp2Oa4JC1/SE2QAWOam3LsyWoaYI9xP38MUSnc57izbnGnkh Agc+NeoCohxP7LZD9FZww0NrtOqT1KsHjNXZbKAQg75TF+Pywgd8iyh8gy2pCoW3 Yvd9wKy8yFQBJp+ZTC71fTcVvGtQDtLg7XtpGbTC8w77Cf1nUIrRlnrB2r2Ar9Cn kwtLfTIKc6JZPq8UviaFX7IMKiT+Ad4sVGHsYTmpgeNHEJpterBPenoYvdC76iDz cF48vo003gXyh0AhXwzGP9TCBjuH+Z+3T0qTzbiQjtORIFgxRKO+FXo+jj+Drzeu YwJEcXDytLtUXcPnGnUn =FIkq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f81d554.4080...@hotmail.com
Re: [OT] Posting styles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08.04.2012 21:13, Mika Suomalainen wrote: ... I know that email clients can do it automatically, but there are rare cases when it's necessary to verify signatures manually. Oh, and people who want to make the issue that PGP/MIME support is missing in K9 Mail should star issue 13 at their issue tracker (Google Code). The link is https://code.google.com/p/k9mail/issues/detail?id=13colspec=ID%20Product%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Owner%20Summary - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgdf/AAoJEE21PP6CpGco5tQP/R54GvZDEfrbCVcE5vzOHiDb S0xjQW7s7OJMt/s0Z4en0mzk8tloT7sQ6Ig9gMO7TcQ7UIOmqWnDeHas+hK8jrsk 6E3MbTItshsZipjNvw0xrok+PooW/Uo9QCfdhxA4RmxzoeXUG1pOjVzZhglrzNc6 2/wIQ9xwGn9QhzfvkdfpOfR1The4yR5mp44H85TRe9jLILGtvMzOWZBEqNKtc10L I7oQ/06iM88ywlV4/5DeDE4vI6IFSwSHvga4mruZsE0owBZdP2piSAtuRMKJakhi 2KDOorj+nanxyWHIAVGqxkFYxeng5DaiTClbOlvMiB5UJgOOjJyAZAOTESRCrrTd MfArP7rc728BEEs/EE149wynAlq3OazsMEYPk6gV3S6hrME1uXCU3aU/pnDFVR6D qoj9ONExhBqohuWzE0UuNbwruJGh7RdHkxGvCFYD6VcQfzjnwWCBthuXI5uEibcr rjVdpHmnhZRcw4xzhRhkb41zx0W7jTGpWx3uS8WhRIUhTJhaW20GILHtPQQBy08H fBq79ktWeck6Qb40Trs3rdzBLhzeUTo2RjQaTULJaWSUywO7sr24iEE9QySB68iQ xaszY8HJX+H8mLRE6T99/yVw1L1SCNOPv77A1MChoXY57gSJyaFiX4HOSBttzWmc b96fckuyfZnuT4/bKHMd =ueIr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f81d802.4010...@hotmail.com
Re: [OT] Posting styles
Decided the easiest way to stop the annoyance of 'Mika Suomalainen', is to send his messages straight to 'trash'. No more half page fulls of meaningless numbers/letters, no more requests for confirmation; life has returned to normal. :) -- Sent from Free Open Source Software Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/blu0-smtp15795217acf1ecec1bf7dd28e...@phx.gbl
Re: [OT] Posting styles (was: printer Kyocera FSC-5100DN)
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 02:18:48PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:47:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 02:58:24PM +, Camaleón wrote: A bottom posting style does not mean all the stuff goes to the bottom Yes it does! That is what bottom posting is. No sir, is just the name what is misleading. Bottom posting also applies for an inline style. Regardless its name, the main idea remains the same: the reply goes below of the text you are responding. So what's it called when you plonk everything at the bottom, oops sorry, at the very end? End posting? That's also bottom posting. No need to reinvent the wheel all the time. But you said above, and I quote: 'A bottom posting style does not mean all the stuff goes to the bottom and now you are saying in response to So what's it called when you plonk everything at the bottom, oops sorry, at the very end? End posting? That's also bottom posting. Huh?? But wait, there is more: in response to: There is also conversation style or interleaved style which is the tried and proven preferred way for mailing lists; i.e the style you and many others use. You say: That's also bottom posting ;-) That's *your* own interpretation of a well-defined well-known concept and Mine? If you look again at the Wikipedia article, it clearly says right at the top: *** The main options are interleaved posting (also called inline replying, in which the different parts of the reply follow the relevant parts of the original post), bottom-posting (in which the reply follows the quote) or top-posting (in which the reply precedes the quoted original message). *** THREE different posting styles 1) interleaved 2) bottom 3) top just like I said! everybody else understand for it, which BTW, has been referenced in this ^ Apparently not. same thread (by me), in a form of link to Wikipedia article about this issue: If you reference something, at least make sure it helps *your* point and not hinder it. *** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Bottom-posting In the bottom-posting style, the reply is appended to a full or partial copy of the original message. The name bottom-posting is sometimes used for inline-style replies, and indeed the two formats are the same when only one point is being replied to. *** That's all you could find? Look up 'appended' in your English dictionary. Obviously, if only one point is being replied to, then arguing over whether it is inline or bottom style is ridiculous. Therefore, it makes sense to have *THREE* different definitions. correct? (...) Not at all when two of them (inline and bottom posting) share 99% of their features. Feel free to edit the Wikipedia article to match your own opinion ;-) I don't need to edit it. It does match my opinion. You should read it again and have a good English dictionary on hand while doing so. Note: Whether you trim or not does not alter the type of posting. -- Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408184822.GA2439@tal
Re: skype?
On Sun 08 Apr 2012 at 17:53:02 +, Russell L. Harris wrote: * Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com [120408 17:39]: ... though we would love to find another multi-platform, easy to install voip program, preferably open source, to replace it. I also need such a package. To be an exact replacement which will work on the Skype network in the same way as the Skype client? Can't be done. It appears to me that Ekiga (formerly gnomemeeting) is a good solution. Am I mistaken? As a VoIP client (SIP etc), probably. But how is it for interworking with the Skype network? Ideally, it should be sufficiently similar and simple, so that I could persuade the other guy (who almost invariably is running Skype on a Window$ box) to install Ekiga. She's happy with what she has got. Why feel impelled to alter that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408184004.GL16316@desktop
Sid upgrade: slow tabs in Chrome.
Hi, Running Sid and just did a dist-upgrade. Use google-chrome-beta as browser and after the upgrade the tabs are slow: when you click one with mouse or kbd, there is a slight hesitation before the page is selected that wasn't there before. Anyone notice the same? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jlsn2q$ikk$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Posting styles
In linux.debian.user, keith mckenzie fat...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Decided the easiest way to stop the annoyance of 'Mika Suomalainen', is to send his messages straight to 'trash'. No more half page fulls of meaningless numbers/letters, no more requests for confirmation; life has returned to normal. :) That's what some people don't seem to understand -- they're posting to a mailing list where any assistance received depends on having everyone's good will, yet they insist on posting all that pointless garbage, making their emails really annoying to read. Certainly we are all free to do as we wish, but sometimes getting along with others requires certain little sacrifices. :) In all the arguments people have made here in favor of pgp/gpg signing to the list, not one person even bothered to address the annoying chunk of non-human-readable text to which we are subjected, whether or not we are interested. In fact, the matter tends to get edited out in the pro-pgp replies. Guess what they really think is screw you if you don't like it, underneath all the (rather silly) rationalizations. I used to have mutt configured to verify that crap, but then guess what happened? I learned that half the people using it do so incorrectly, so then you have all these error messages :\ What a waste. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408191123.GA25211@radhesyama
Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
On 21/03/2012 11:01, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: hi, I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several places that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried with it. I started with only 1 line in sources.list: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free and tried several times aptitude safe-upgrade Each time, aptitude stayed indefinitely on resolving dependencies and did nothing else. I then issued: apt-get dist-upgrade, and all worked perfectly, in less than 30 minutes. My question: is it better to also revert to apt-get for package management, or is the problem specific to the upgrade to a new release? regards, Did you upgrade aptitude first? aptitude install aptitude This might solve many problems. I also found aptitude lost in resolve madness while I had too many foreign packages. Check the list of manually installed packages aptitude search ~i\!~M -F %p to see if you have some of them not provided by the repo pointed in your one-line sources.list. Play with =apt-cache policy= to see if update are available for such foreign-suspected packages. Nicolas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f81e9bb.8000...@yahoo.fr
Re: [OT] Posting styles
On Fri 30 Mar 2012 at 18:53:09 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: There are many kinds of people, so everyone has different opinion about top/bottom posting :) And where better to express these opinions but on a technically oriented list like debian-user. Nine days and 120+ posts later the end is not yet in sight. Forthcoming attractions are: Have four line signature blocks had their day? Is a 72 character line length the sweet spot? Can I train my cursor to go to the bottom of a message? Is ROT13 a replacement for PGP? Does [OT] mean 'On Topic'? Does tagging a post [OT] mean it is [OT]? Should GPG signed mail be compulsory for furniture removers? I have a new post to make. Should I top-post? I'm loathe to post to debian-user. You get told off first. Advice please. (On second thoughts, forget about it.) I posted about a printer problem. Over 120 responses are on another topic. Is that bad manners or just the way people behave on a Debian mailing list? And many, many more intriguing and challenging topics providing an insightful glimpse into a this previously undiscused matter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408193340.GM16316@desktop
Re: [OT] Posting styles
On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 12:55:11AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 09/04/12 00:18, � wrote: On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:47:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 02:58:24PM +, Camaleón wrote: A bottom posting style does not mean all the stuff goes to the bottom Yes it does! That is what bottom posting is. Actually it can mean two things. When some people use the term they mean A good definition, by defintion, can only mean one thing right? So you get the defintions clear, long before discussing the relative merits of each one. interleaved - it's a debate that's been going for decades. Definitely not structured. The same old misunderstandings keep being repeated. AFAIR most of the heat comes from the merits of the styles. Generally, there are the top posting fanatics vs the interleaved fanatics. Remember, the term interleaved wasn't used then. So what happened, was that the top posting haters (TPH) argued with the top posting lovers (TPL). The TPH argued that the response(s) to a post should go directly underneath the post. Some TPL, to keep the peace and because of threats that if they persisted with being a TPL wouldn't get any help, started posting under the point they were addressing. This appeased most of the TPH. But because of the nature of email posts, some posts only addressed one issue, other posts addressed more that one issue various styles started to emerge. Some TPL posted underneath everything everytime, other TPL posted under the point they were addressing which very closely resembled the TPH style. Three styles started to emerge, 1) the strict TPL, who still exist today. 2) the TPL who plonked everything at the bottom 3) The TPL who tried to fit in and the TPH who were actually using interleaved style but didn't realise it. The style 1) people are the top posters and don't really warrant any more discussion. The style 2) people are the bottom posters who plonk everything at the bottom regardless. When there was only one point to respond to, it was impossible to tell whether it was a style 2) poster or a style 3) poster. The only way to tell the difference between a style 2) poster and a style 3) poster was when there was more than one point to respond to, the style 3) poster didn't plonk everything at the bottom. The style 2) people are the bottom posters and don't really warrant any more discussion. The style 3) people were a mixture of the TPH people and the TPL people and because of this, exhibited a mixture of styles within their own group. The TPH who tended to trim their posts and place the responses below the points they were responding to. The pseudo TPH (PTPH) (really TPL who were pretending to be TPH) who half heartedly trimmed their posts and half heartedly posted under the points they were responding to. Of course, time passes and people come and go, sign on to different mailing lists, newsgroups and what have you. Some of these mailing lists are predominantly TPH others TPL and occassional squabbles would break out until the three styles would sort themselves out. The PTPH because of their hybrid nature tend not to trim and hence can be wrongly classified as a style 2) or bottom poster when they are responding to only one point. The effect of this is a message which keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger, until either a strict TPH drastically trims (its in their nature) the post back to a more manageable size, or a PTPH does a half hearted trim, normally because it is getting a bit unweildly. To complicate matters even further, some posters vary between a style 2) and a style 3) poster depending on how they are feeling. Notice, I haven't talked about merits or motives of any style. Once you start discussing value/merits of a style then even more variables enter the picture. For example, calling style 1) posters lazy may sound plausible to a strict TBH but in reality a strict TBL may not be lazy at all. So it is no wonder squabbles break out on certain lists. On lists where the software is available for Windows and Unix/Linux you can get a large number of strict TPL versus strict TPH and squabbles flare up quite often, and style 2) tend to be lumped with style 3). Hope that clarifies my thoughts and reasoning. -- Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408212947.GB2439@tal
Re: [OT] Posting styles
In linux.debian.user, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I posted about a printer problem. Over 120 responses are on another topic. Is that bad manners or just the way people behave on a Debian mailing list? So IOW you started all this, but now the people discussing it have bad manners? That doesn't quite seem right -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408213342.GA27274@radhesyama
please test wajig in VCS
Hi, Can anyone here using wajig test the version in VCS. If you find issues, please report back at wa...@googlegroups.com. setup: $ wajig install devscripts $ hg clone https://wajig.googlecode.com/hg $ cd wajig build + install: $ debuild -us -uc -b $ sudo debi I want to make sure it's solid before having it uploaded as 2.5. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caa77j2domkohkxpsms6vev6+2hvmgny+jmhcwe9gzgpevoq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Posting styles
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 07:28:56PM +0100, keith mckenzie wrote: Decided the easiest way to stop the annoyance of 'Mika Suomalainen', is to send his messages straight to 'trash'. No more half page fulls of meaningless numbers/letters, no more requests for confirmation; life has returned to normal. :) You still have to download it though. I realise people are probably thinking, WTF, the number of messages discussing this outweigh any damage Mika Suomalainen is doing. So off topic posts (no doubt what is OT for one person is not OT for another, but thats another issue.) should go to d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org But I consider helping Mika Suomalainen configure IceOwl to do PGP/MIME a support issue. -- Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408220623.GA7359@tal
Re: [OT] Posting styles
On Sun 08 Apr 2012 at 16:33:42 -0500, Indulekha wrote: In linux.debian.user, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I posted about a printer problem. Over 120 responses are on another topic. Is that bad manners or just the way people behave on a Debian mailing list? So IOW you started all this, but now the people discussing it have bad manners? That doesn't quite seem right Eh? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408220936.GN16316@desktop
Re: [OT] Posting styles
On 20120407_143810, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 09:21:44AM -0500, Indulekha wrote: In linux.debian.user, Richard rich...@g8jvm.com wrote: On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:02:12 +0300 Mika Suomalainen mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote: The other thing Mika, apart from that huge chunk of signature, why on earth ask for a return receipt. It does tend to announce to the recipient that the sender has a wildly exaggerated sense of self-importance, which I suppose could be construed as useful. :) Because I damned well want to is a perfectly valid reason for signing emails/posts. The level of judgementalism (yeah, I know it's not a word I judge that 'judgementalism' is a perfectly fine English word. Prior to yesterday, it maybe hadn't yet been invented. Now that it has been invented, who can doubt what its meaning is? This is the magic of a living natural language. People understand it 'intuitively'. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408225319.ga10...@big.lan.gnu
configure Icedove for GPG/MIME?
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 09:13:40PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: On 08.04.2012 18:12, Chris Bannister wrote: ... The mail client should do all that for you. Verifying PGP/MIME signature = ? ditto. I use the mutt email client and so don't know off hand but do any of these help: http://ask.metafilter.com/18209/How-do-I-use-Thunderbirds-inbuilt-encryption http://www.djigzo.com/documents/smime-setup-guide.pdf http://enigmail.mozdev.org/home/index.php.html Probably you should post to: http://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/enigmail/ Archives: http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/enigmail/ This is interesting: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html Alot of useful information using: Verifying PGP/MIME signature site:www.mozdev.org as the search term in google. I know that email clients can do it automatically, but there are rare cases when it's necessary to verify signatures manually. So Icedove does it automatically now? Is the above helping you configure Icedove for GPG/MIME? -- Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408230038.GB7359@tal
Re: [OT] Posting styles
Wayne Topa wrote: Mika Suomalainen wrote: Do you think that it would be better if people spoofed my email and sent offensive messages to the list and noone had any way to check did I really sent those messages? Who would want to spoof YOUR Mail. I have been on this list for 19 years now and do not recall anyone being spoofed. From the tenor of your mails, I doubt anyone would gain anything from it. No one gains anything from it. Why does anyone do any of the bad things that they do? But that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. People do spoof messages. It is a fact. If I am good for nothing else in this life then at least I can be an example case for the rest of you. :-) Please see this posting where *my* email was spoofed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/08/msg03045.html My reply the next day that is in the next month's archive: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg00065.html Yes. My email address. Spoofed! To this mailing list. And such a very odd message too. I have no idea why. Strange that someone would take the time to craft that message individually. And now none of you can say that you have never seen it happen. It did happen to me personally. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Double quotes, single quotes
Dr Beco wrote: I can't seem to find the correct combination of quotes to run this command: $vi +r ! find . -name 'error*' -printf '%f\n' themain.c Is there a way to achieve this (using bash)? The problem you are hitting is that vim is expanding the % itself and isn't passing it to bash nor on to find. It isn't related to quoting. It is related to vi's percent expansion. Use something other than percent to avoid the problem. In vi the '%' is replaced by the current filename. That is traditional vi behavior. For 'find' you can use the default -print case by not specifying anything. vim +r ! find . -name 'error*' themain.c Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:15:02 +, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:25:30 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: on my Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system when I update with aptitude I see lines: Ign http://dl.google.com stable InRelease Get: 35 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B] Get: 36 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B] Get: 37 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [765 B] Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main TranslationIndex Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-en Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-hu (...) Must I worry about of those lines: 'dl.google.com'? Dude, you accepted their terms ;-) *** https://tools.google.com/chrome/eula.html?hl=en Note: Installing Google Chrome will add the Google repository so your system will automatically keep Google Chrome up to date. If you don't want Google's repository, do sudo touch /etc/default/google-chrome before installing the package. indeed. Why people choose to install Google Chrome is a mystery to me. I would not touch it with a barge pole. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jlt9ah$pnn$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Posting styles
In linux.debian.user, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sun 08 Apr 2012 at 16:33:42 -0500, Indulekha wrote: In linux.debian.user, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I posted about a printer problem. Over 120 responses are on another topic. Is that bad manners or just the way people behave on a Debian mailing list? So IOW you started all this, but now the people discussing it have bad manners? That doesn't quite seem right Eh? Hmmm. Could be I misunderstood... If so, sorry 'bout that. Thought you were saying you inadvertantly started this thread, and are unhappy that the posting styles discussion took over. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120408235722.GA29341@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Posting styles
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:11:23 -0500, Indulekha wrote: In linux.debian.user, keith mckenzie fat...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Decided the easiest way to stop the annoyance of 'Mika Suomalainen', is to send his messages straight to 'trash'. No more half page fulls of meaningless numbers/letters, no more requests for confirmation; life has returned to normal. :) That's what some people don't seem to understand -- they're posting to a mailing list where any assistance received depends on having everyone's good will, yet they insist on posting all that pointless garbage, making their emails really annoying to read. Certainly we are all free to do as we wish, but sometimes getting along with others requires certain little sacrifices. :) In all the arguments people have made here in favor of pgp/gpg signing to the list, not one person even bothered to address the annoying chunk of non-human-readable text to which we are subjected, whether or not we are interested. In fact, the matter tends to get edited out in the pro-pgp replies. Guess what they really think is screw you if you don't like it, underneath all the (rather silly) rationalizations. I used to have mutt configured to verify that crap, but then guess what happened? I learned that half the people using it do so incorrectly, so then you have all these error messages :\ What a waste. +1. I have killfiled Suomalainen too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jlt9n0$pnl$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Posting styles
On 04/08/2012 02:28 PM, keith mckenzie wrote: Decided the easiest way to stop the annoyance of 'Mika Suomalainen', is to send his messages straight to 'trash'. No more half page fulls of meaningless numbers/letters, no more requests for confirmation; life has returned to normal. :) +1 -- .. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day Teach a man to fish, feed him for life -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f8230f1.50...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Posting styles
For the record on this issue, here is my opinion. 1) A reply should be entered immediately below the text to which it specifically responds; 2) a signature, of whatever kind, should be no longer than needed to verify sender identity. I will not defend these assertions, and hope to say no more on the topic. Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f8234a5.5020...@aya.yale.edu
(solved) Re: Double quotes, single quotes
Dr Beco wrote: $vi +r ! find . -name 'error*' -printf '%f\n' themain.c Bob wrote: The problem you are hitting is that vim is expanding the % itself and isn't passing it to bash nor on to find. It isn't related to quoting. It is related to vi's percent expansion. Use something other than percent to avoid the problem. In vi the '%' is replaced by the current filename. That is traditional vi behavior. For 'find' you can use the default -print case by not specifying anything. vim +r ! find . -name 'error*' themain.c Bob Hi Bob, Thanks! You clarified a trick problem. After what you said, I tried: vim +r ! find . -name 'error*' -printf '\%f\n' themain.c And voilá! It worked! Just scape the % and you can use it, as vi passes to find the correct char %. Thanks! Beco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caluyw2zc_lwdbvjq1nnuqclpn89+zso_kjzh5u6cr1j3xet...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Posting styles (PGP)
On 09/04/12 01:32, Joey Hess wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote (remainder of your trolling ignored): as this will habituate people to expect your mail to be signed, Nope. Wishful thinking at best. True story: Last weekend, I sent a friend an email to get him come help me move a couch. For complex reasons I neglected to sign it. My friend noticed, and worried someone might be playing a prank on him. I don't doubt it. If you look at one of my other posts you'll see I encountered a similar scenario that alerted me to compromised email account. I'm in favour of encryption - amongst other things it reduces malware. But I don't believe it's a panacea for everything - I know I don't always check to see email is encrypted (though I should). And it's my experience that my use of it doesn't automatically encourage others to use it. I've had a hell of a time getting some people to install it - and on several occasions noticed they used no passphrases! Another was later found to have been running a root kit. Yet another emailed me both his keys! Which makes secure communications with those people fraught with peril. Perhaps I'm overly cynical, but I suspect that when the masses adopt something because it's popular they tend to dumb it down to the point where it's no longer useful. The security of encryption between two parties is determined by the lowest common denominator. So if encryption catches on because everyone is doing it - it may become like SSL certificates... (if your browser recognises that certificate there's a good chance it came from a compromises assurer). Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f8256c5.2010...@gmail.com
Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem
On 09/04/12 01:40, Gary Roach wrote: On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 08/04/12 09:41, Gary Roach wrote: snipped There seems to be some confusion here. I still have win2k on the machine. No confusion here (so far). Hence my request. I suspected you still had W2K installed and wanted to find out how, and make certain you didn't have a large disk translator (eg. Maxtor tool) installed. Q. What size does W2K see the drive as? It's quite possible that you just need a boot delay in GRUB. Linux commands won't work. You can do that from a live cd. Tom's Root Boot has more than enough tools for the task. I think what I am going to do is change the ATA/IDE Configuration to Enhanced, put the linux installation disk in the CDROM drive and hope that it boots. One of the respondents pointed out that Linux doesn't depend on the bios settings to find the boot drive. That's incorrect - if the BIOS can't see the sole hard drive you can't boot from it. Period. The CD/DVD is different. I'd be surprised if you'll then be able to access W2K (backup first). I hope that is true. I may end up with a boat anchor. You must have a very small boat - remind me not to take you up on an offer to go fishing :-) Backup first. A portable hdd is a good investment - or simply spend $30 on a second hand 500GB drive and temporarily hang it off the second controller. W2K is pretty simple to backup and restore to a different partition layout. Gary R. Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f8259f4.70...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Posting styles (now PGP)
On 09/04/12 01:55, Chris Bannister wrote: [I've posted my reply on d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org] On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 11:46:11PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: (...) Interested parties ... please head to d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/ Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f825ae1.3090...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem
On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:41:08 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: I have an older computer that is still completely serviceable that I am switching over to Linux from win2k. The system has had a glitch for a long time in that it fails to boot the first time I try. The reason is that it can't find the WD600BB, 60 GB hard drive. A second try usually fixed the problem. It has an Intel D865PERL mother board, a P4 2.4 GHZ processor and 512 MB DDR 400 ram. I just upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. (...) A quick Google search points to a known problem for that board: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#hl=encomplete=0site=webhpq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootoq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootaq=faqi=aql=gs_l=serp.3...2893l5210l0l5434l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0.pfwc.bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osbfp=43704773c80105b2biw=1280bih=888 For example: http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f15/intel-d865perl-wont-boot-sometimes-25259.html I would contact Intel tech support and ask them for a fix to this. Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f825714.9040...@verizon.net
Re: [OT] Posting styles
Hopefully ending this thread, and providing reading material for others with similar queries and concerns. On 09/04/12 02:15, PMA wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: snipped P.S. I may as well add here, that it would help me -- in opening a Debian list email -- *not* to see blank lines at the top of the message (like the two at top here). Icedove = Toolbar = Account Settings = Composition and Addressing Tick Automatically quote the original message when replying and select then start my reply below the quote. Having to move the cursor up instead of down may make that easier. They're what I have to fight, as they beckon, Now y'all just scribble right in here. It's useful to put stuff there sometime - to preface some posts. Best regards, Pete . Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f825d6c.1000...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Posting styles
On 09/04/12 07:33, Indulekha wrote: In linux.debian.user, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I posted about a printer problem. Over 120 responses are on another topic. Is that bad manners or just the way people behave on a Debian mailing list? :-D So IOW you started all this, but now the people discussing it have bad manners? That doesn't quite seem right Step back a little and you'll see that Brian is making a point - not complaining about some problem with his printer. Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f82655e.6080...@gmail.com
