date:20120811


On 08/11/2012 03:01 PM, Pascal Obry wrote:

Le 11/08/2012 13:10, aishen a écrit :

Y en a qu'on toujours à redire... Mais voyant la qualité de gimp-2.8 en
plus gratuit... Je trouve qu'il n'y a vraiment rien à redire encore
moins sur le plan pro... Ce logiciel est tout simplement un miracle pour
la communauté linux !

Ou alors quand on a à redire le mieux c'est de s'investir dans le
développement. Faire des rapports de problème et *proposer* des patches,
c'est aussi le grand intérêt de l'Open Source! Critiquer sans rien
proposer ne fait pas avancer...

Pascal.

Merci pour la leçon de morale habituelle ... Les critiques ont toujours 
un intérêt : celui de corriger les erreurs, les points faibles, de faire 
avancer le programme... L'avantage des gens extérieurs, c'est qu'ils 
n'ont pas le nez dans le guidon. Donc ils voient des choses qui 
échappent aux codeurs. Des utilisateurs ont proposé  le minimum: que 
l'on tienne compte de l'avis des utilisateurs. Mais à part la 
cosmétique, l'habillage, rien ne passe. C'est comme cela
Sur les fonctions, enregistrer sous, enregistrer, exporter, etc, des 
gens ont proposé de laisser le choix à l'utilisateur, un peu comme pour 
le multi-fenêtres. Aucun retour pour le moment. Ce sont les utilisateurs 
intensifs de Gimp, pro ou amateurs, qui connaissent le mieux les 
besoins. Les développeurs ne pensent pas cela, donc exit les propositions...
Question pratique, j'utilise des centaines de fois à l'heure, les 
fonctions save et save as,  indifféremment sur des .png .xcf et 
jpeg. A cette fin, j'ai paramétré 2 raccourcis clavier utilisables avec 
un seul doigt: save=s et save as=u . Je gagne ainsi un temps fou . Avec 
la version 2.8 c'est impossible sauf pour les .xcf. Donc retour à la 
version 2.6.


PS proposer des patches c'est bien, mais chacun son métier

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Re: HS Important défaut de Gimp-2.8


On 08/11/2012 09:02 AM, jipenunux wrote:

On 10/08/2012 20:35, maderios wrote:
Je parie que ces développeurs reviendront à ce que tout logiciel 
d'édition sait faire: laisser le choix à l'utilisateur.

/mode raz le bol/
je pense que vous avez du mal à vous servir d'un clavier
13 ans de Linux au compteur et autant de Gimp. L'image est mon boulot, 
c'est peut-être cela le problème.
Gimp-2.8 et ses fonctions restrictives de sauvegarde et d'export, c'est 
une erreur monumentale, erreur d'amateurs qui savent coder certes, mais 
qui feraient bien de tenir compte de l'avis des professionnels de l'image.
Sinon, que Gimp reste un logiciel destiné aux amateurs et dans ce cas 
l'on ira voir ailleurs ailleurs en attendant un fork ou une évolution de 
Krita ou autre...


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Re: HS Important défaut de Gimp-2.8


Ne pas écouter la base est LE moyen de s'aliéner cette même base...

Sur la gimp user list, La discussion est animée concernant le sujet

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html

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Re: Debian passe à Xfce


On 08/11/2012 12:38 PM, David Pinson wrote:

Le 11/08/2012 12:20, Charles Plessy a écrit :

Le Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:53:05AM +0200, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit :
Sale temps pour Gnome qui paie sûrement un peu son obstination à ne 
pas écouter
les critiques (et continue à s'enfoncer avec les modifications dans 
nautilus
On peut faire le parallèle avec ce qui se passe avec la nouvelle version 
de Gimp (voir fil 'HS Important défaut de Gimp-2.8')
Des développeurs sont persuadés d'avoir raison, sont sourds aux avis des 
utilisateurs. Résultat des courses, ces derniers partent vers d'autres 
cieux plus cléments...


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Re: Debian passe à Xfce

2012-08-11 Thread Bzzz

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:31:39 +0200
maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:

 On peut faire le parallèle avec ce qui se passe avec la nouvelle
 version de Gimp (voir fil 'HS Important défaut de Gimp-2.8')
 Des développeurs sont persuadés d'avoir raison, sont sourds aux
 avis des utilisateurs. Résultat des courses, ces derniers partent
 vers d'autres cieux plus cléments...

C'est malheureusement fréquent que le dev prenne la main sur la
chose la plus importante: l'interface chaise/clavier ('gade par
exemple les produits de gestion sage, sans formation préalable,
impossible à utiliser out of the box (faut dire qu'avec l'héritage
de saari...))

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Re: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD

2012-08-11 Thread Javier Silva

El día 10 de agosto de 2012 17:31, Marc Olive
marc.ol...@blauadvisors.com escribió:
On Friday 10 August 2012 16:59:56 Javier Silva wrote:

Debian es para todo el mundo, para el que comienza y para el que
cambia, cuantos más seamos, mucho mejor.

Falso. Cada cual tiene la distribución y el sistema que mejor le va, y ninguno
es para todos:
Por ejemplo, Debian no es para mi padre, lo probé y no funcionó (por supesto,
mi padre es de este mundo, tu afirmación ya ha sido rebatida, pero continuemos
con el ejemplo), MacOS si es para él. Pero MacOS no es para mi madre, lo suyo
es Windows. Pero Windows no es para mi, lo mio es Debian. Pero Debian no es
para un amigo mio, Ubuntu le encaja mucho mejor. Y tengo amigos a los que no
les va Debian ni Ubuntu, sino Fedora, Gentoo u otros.

Cuando digo que Debian es para todo el mundo, quiero decir que lo debe
de poder utilizar todo el mundo, no quiero decir que sea una
imposición.

Cada cual debería saber que es lo que más le conviene o necesita,
aunque existen muchas personas que a día de hoy, aún te miran con cara
extraña cuando les preguntas qué sistema operativo tienen y más aún
cuando averiguan que hay alternativas a Windows. Esto que para
nosotros puede resultar normal, para otros puede resultar muy extraño.

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Javier Silva

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presentación

2012-08-11 Thread Miguel Ángel Ordóñez

Muy buenas.

Me llamo Miguel Ángel y soy de Ronda (Málaga,España).

Soy un enamorado del proyecto gnu/ linux, soy un eterno novato, pero
creo que es el momento de dar un paso más y comenzar a colaborar de
alguna manera.
Aunque uso ubuntu en mi portátil dell xps M1330, quiero dar el salto a
Debian. No soy anti-ubuntu, pero pienso que si la madre de las
distros que me gustan es Debian, entiendo que es esta distro la que
se merece el apoyo.

Os sigo desde hace poco más de un mes, en silencio, aprendiendo... Me
encanta la dedicación de Camaleón, que siempre tiene una respuesta
para todos; me encantó leer a Juan Lavieri, aquello de que es un
joven desde hace tiempo, (yo también soy un joven de los que
usaron disquetes de 5 1/4), y ya he visto que no es tan fiera la lista
como la pintan, siempre que las preguntas se hagan de manera
medianamente inteligente.

No se si esta pregunta es medianamente inteligente, pero me gustaría
saber si existe una comunidad Debian España, como existe la comunidad
Debian Nicaragua (con su web debian.org.ni/ ). Veo que existe una
http://debian.org.es/ (aunque su contenido) que parece que en su
día la fundó Javier Fernández-Sanguino (tal como aparece en su web), y
por otro lado existe la web www.esdebian.org pero por algún comentario
de Camaleón me da que no es oficial.

Pues nada, que encantado de estar por aquí.

Un saludo.
Miguel Ángel.
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Re: Libre Office 3.6

2012-08-11 Thread Debian GMail


El 10/08/12 21:53, José Alejandro escribió:

El jue, 09-08-2012 a las 17:50 -0300, Debian GMail escribió:

Preguntonta: ¿Alguien descargó, instaló y probó Libre Office 3.6 en un
sistema wheezy amd64?

Quiero hacerlo, y la experiencia ajena siempre es bienvenida.

JAP




Hola ...

Ya lo baje e instale en dos equipos, todo lo que uso normalmente, sin
problemas . . .

Cambian algunas cosas de la interfaz, nada más . . .

A disfrutarlo . . .

Saludos . . .

Alejandro Ramírez . . .





Lo bajé y lo instalé ayer.
En una wheezy con ad64, hobo un solo problemita y tuve que desinstalar 
un paquete viejo a mano.

El resto,hasta ahora, sin inconvenientes.

JAP


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Re: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD

2012-08-11 Thread Emiliano M. Rudenick

El Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:48:57 + (UTC)
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:28:24 -0300, Augusto Lescano escribió:
 
 (ese html...)
 
  Me parece muy bien. Lo que no entiendo es ¿Qué hay de malo con
  esto? Si quieren gnome seguro estará en el segundo o tercer cd. 
 
 No tiene nada de malo (GNOME seguirá estando disponible en una imagen 
 aparte), pero me parece un poco radical ese tipo de cambio (modificar
 el instalador), en este momento (wheezy ya ha sido congelada) y todo
 eso sin consultar antes a los usuarios.
 
 Además, ¿por qué XFCE? ¿No hay otras opciones?
 
 Saludos,
 

Creo que XFCE es el que más se parece al Gnome que todos conocemos, a
mí personalmente no me gusta el camino que ha seguido Gnome actualmente
y he migrado para el lado de XFCE que me ha gustado realmente mucho, a
si que por mi está bárbaro :)

Saludos!


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Re: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD

2012-08-11 Thread Emiliano M. Rudenick

El Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:30:54 +0200
Marc Olive marc.ol...@blauadvisors.com escribió:
 On Friday 10 August 2012 08:51:06 Javier Silva wrote:
  
 (...)
 Siempre se ha dicho que Debian no es una distribución para novatos,
 Ubuntu está muchisimo mas orientada al usuario y para gente que no
 quiere complicarse, Debian para tener un control mas fino de lo que
 ocurre en el sistema.
 A un novato le recomiendo Ubuntu, y pasado un tiempo si se atreve que
 pruebe Debian, que no se arrepentirá del resultado. Y entonces como
 usuario con experiencia sabrá instalarse el escritorio de su elección
 sin problemas. Seria un error que Debian se enfocara mucho mas hacia
 el usuario de a pie.
 

Yo al usuario novato le recomiendo Debian, no creo que un usuario que
empieza usando Ubuntu actualmente sepa en un futuro usar APT, va a
buscar en Debian el instalador de software de Ubuntu...
Por otra parte el hecho de que no se pueda tener un control más fino en
Ubuntu y que al mismo tiempo es mucho más inestable trae mucho dolor
de cabeza tanto al usuario novato como al más avanzado que se encuentra
conque Ubuntu está basado en Debian pero no lo es.

 Esta es mi opinión y la comparto.
 
  Si lo vemos desde el plano de un usuario que llega a Linux y desea
  realizar una instalación, creo que XFCE, no es el mejor de los
  entornos para empezar, aunque claro es mi punto de vista.
 
 Yo no recomendaria Debian a un recién llegado, ni ahora con Xfce ni
 antes con Gnome.
 
  ---
  Un saludo.
  Javier Silva
 

Saludos!


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Re: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD

2012-08-11 Thread Sergio Bessopeanetto


Emiliano M. Rudenick escribió:

El Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:30:54 +0200
Marc Olive marc.ol...@blauadvisors.com escribió:

On Friday 10 August 2012 08:51:06 Javier Silva wrote:

(...)
Siempre se ha dicho que Debian no es una distribución para novatos,
Ubuntu está muchisimo mas orientada al usuario y para gente que no
quiere complicarse, Debian para tener un control mas fino de lo que
ocurre en el sistema.
A un novato le recomiendo Ubuntu, y pasado un tiempo si se atreve que
pruebe Debian, que no se arrepentirá del resultado. Y entonces como
usuario con experiencia sabrá instalarse el escritorio de su elección
sin problemas. Seria un error que Debian se enfocara mucho mas hacia
el usuario de a pie.



Yo al usuario novato le recomiendo Debian, no creo que un usuario que
empieza usando Ubuntu actualmente sepa en un futuro usar APT, va a
buscar en Debian el instalador de software de Ubuntu...
Por otra parte el hecho de que no se pueda tener un control más fino en
Ubuntu y que al mismo tiempo es mucho más inestable trae mucho dolor
de cabeza tanto al usuario novato como al más avanzado que se encuentra
conque Ubuntu está basado en Debian pero no lo es.

Tampoco es cuestión de demonizar tanto la cosa. Ubuntu y sus derivadas 
no son malas para quienes se inician. Además no es cierto que en distros 
de la familia de Ubuntu no se use la consola. Actualmente estoy usando 
Mint y he agregado repositorios con el scrpt add-apt-repository y eso se 
hace desde consola. En todos los tutos de la familia Ubu hay miles de 
soluciones donde se trabaja por consola.

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Re: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD

2012-08-11 Thread José Manuel (EB8CXW)




El 09/08/12 16:48, Camaleón escribió:

El Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:28:24 -0300, Augusto Lescano escribió:

(ese html...)


Me parece muy bien. Lo que no entiendo es ¿Qué hay de malo con esto? Si
quieren gnome seguro estará en el segundo o tercer cd.

No tiene nada de malo (GNOME seguirá estando disponible en una imagen
aparte), pero me parece un poco radical ese tipo de cambio (modificar el
instalador), en este momento (wheezy ya ha sido congelada) y todo eso sin
consultar antes a los usuarios.

Además, ¿por qué XFCE? ¿No hay otras opciones?

Saludos,



Hola a tod@s:

No entiendo este cambio, ni la discusión.

¿Se cambia porqué Gnome no entra en un CD? y ¿qué pasa con los DVD?, en 
mi caso hace años que no me descargo un CD, siempre me descargo el 
primer DVD.


Y sino entra en un CD, ¿por qué se debe poner por defecto un entorno? no 
sería mejor poner un paso más para que la gente eligiera el entorno que 
quiera en el 1º CD y te derivara al CD en que este el entorno que 
quieres, ¿qué dificultad hay en eso. Además Debian no predica la 
libertad por eso solo hay software libre y no propietario.


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Si vas a escribir.. piensa en esto:
no digas nada que no sea mas precioso que el silencio!!!


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Re: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD

2012-08-11 Thread Marc Olive

On Saturday 11 August 2012 17:50:37 José Manuel (EB8CXW) wrote:
 El 09/08/12 16:48, Camaleón escribió:
  El Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:28:24 -0300, Augusto Lescano escribió:
  
  (ese html...)
  
  Me parece muy bien. Lo que no entiendo es ¿Qué hay de malo con esto? Si
  quieren gnome seguro estará en el segundo o tercer cd.
  
  No tiene nada de malo (GNOME seguirá estando disponible en una imagen
  aparte), pero me parece un poco radical ese tipo de cambio (modificar el
  instalador), en este momento (wheezy ya ha sido congelada) y todo eso sin
  consultar antes a los usuarios.
  
  Además, ¿por qué XFCE? ¿No hay otras opciones?
  
  Saludos,
 
 Hola a tod@s:
 
 No entiendo este cambio, ni la discusión.

 ¿Se cambia porqué Gnome no entra en un CD? y ¿qué pasa con los DVD?, en
 mi caso hace años que no me descargo un CD, siempre me descargo el
 primer DVD.

No pasa nada con los DVDs, ahí están.
 
 Y sino entra en un CD, ¿por qué se debe poner por defecto un entorno? no
 sería mejor poner un paso más para que la gente eligiera el entorno que
 quiera en el 1º CD y te derivara al CD en que este el entorno que
 quieres, ¿qué dificultad hay en eso.

¿Es que no te has enterado? Por que en un CD no cabe.

 Además Debian no predica la
 libertad por eso solo hay software libre y no propietario.

Si claro, ¿por que lo dices?

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Elección final [Era: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD]

2012-08-11 Thread Miguel Matos

Y, para finalizar la nota que compartí que encendió la mecha, les diré esto:
Cuando instalé Ubuntu 12.04, fue una colección de errores. Y por
ello me quedaré con la 11.10.
Y si Debian Wheezey traerá muchos problemas (como he visto), mejor me
quedo con Squeeze hasta la versión 8.
He dicho.

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Re: Elección final [Era: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD]

2012-08-11 Thread Marc Olive

On Saturday 11 August 2012 19:01:38 Miguel Matos wrote:

 Y si Debian Wheezey traerá muchos problemas (como he visto), mejor me
 quedo con Squeeze hasta la versión 8.

¿Y que has visto que te vaya a traer muchos problemas? Por curiosidad, mas que 
nada.

 He dicho.

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Re: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD

2012-08-11 Thread Emiliano M. Rudenick

El Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:01:40 -0300
Sergio Bessopeanetto sbes...@myopera.com escribió:
 Emiliano M. Rudenick escribió:
  El Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:30:54 +0200
  Marc Olive marc.ol...@blauadvisors.com escribió:
  On Friday 10 August 2012 08:51:06 Javier Silva wrote:
 
  (...)
  Siempre se ha dicho que Debian no es una distribución para novatos,
  Ubuntu está muchisimo mas orientada al usuario y para gente que no
  quiere complicarse, Debian para tener un control mas fino de lo que
  ocurre en el sistema.
  A un novato le recomiendo Ubuntu, y pasado un tiempo si se atreve
  que pruebe Debian, que no se arrepentirá del resultado. Y entonces
  como usuario con experiencia sabrá instalarse el escritorio de su
  elección sin problemas. Seria un error que Debian se enfocara
  mucho mas hacia el usuario de a pie.
 
 
  Yo al usuario novato le recomiendo Debian, no creo que un usuario
  que empieza usando Ubuntu actualmente sepa en un futuro usar APT,
  va a buscar en Debian el instalador de software de Ubuntu...
  Por otra parte el hecho de que no se pueda tener un control más
  fino en Ubuntu y que al mismo tiempo es mucho más inestable trae
  mucho dolor de cabeza tanto al usuario novato como al más avanzado
  que se encuentra conque Ubuntu está basado en Debian pero no lo es.
 
 Tampoco es cuestión de demonizar tanto la cosa. Ubuntu y sus
 derivadas no son malas para quienes se inician. Además no es cierto
 que en distros de la familia de Ubuntu no se use la consola.
 Actualmente estoy usando Mint y he agregado repositorios con el scrpt
 add-apt-repository y eso se hace desde consola. En todos los tutos de
 la familia Ubu hay miles de soluciones donde se trabaja por consola.

Y ahí tienes un ejemplo de lo que digo, un usuario de Debian lo agrega
en sources.list con un lindo comentario :)
Me imagino que add-apt-repository hace eso, pero el usuario de Ubuntu
no lo sabe, y al pasar a Debian nuevamente no va a saber cómo hacer
para agregar el repositorio si no existe ese comando.


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Re: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD

2012-08-11 Thread Ruben

El vie, 10-08-2012 a las 12:30 +0200, Marc Olive escribió:

.

  Si lo vemos desde el plano de un usuario que llega a Linux y desea
  realizar una instalación, creo que XFCE, no es el mejor de los
  entornos para empezar, aunque claro es mi punto de vista.
 
 Yo no recomendaria Debian a un recién llegado, ni ahora con Xfce ni antes con 
 Gnome.
 
  ---
  Un saludo.
  Javier Silva
 
Que tal.

Yo soy un usuario novato, instale Debian hace un año aproximadamente y
nunca había tocado un GNU/Linux y no tuve grandes dificultades.

Mi opinión es que aun un recién llegado puede empezar con Debian.

Saludos.


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Re: Consulta con dominio en windows y unir a AD 2003

2012-08-11 Thread Debian GMail

El 10/08/12 23:02, Debian GMail escribió:

El 10/08/12 20:32, Angel Claudio Alvarez escribió:

Instala likewiseopen

¿Y en cuál de todos los repositorios de Debian está?

No, en ninguno.
Está en Canonical.
Por lo que si Carlos hace caso de tu sugerencia, se va a tener que liar
un poquito para hacerlo funcionar.

Mezclar paquetes de Ubuntu con Debian...
No suelo hacerlo, por esa tontería de las dependencias.

Tal vez bajando los fuentes y compilándolos.
Todo depende del gusto.
No conocía el proyecto, y me dieron ganas de probarlo.

La página no anda http://www.likewiseopen.org/.
Tal vez mañana.

JAP

Bien.
Hoy sábado 11/AGO, sigue sin funcionar la página http://www.likewiseopen.org
Pero he hecho algunas pruebas.
Bajé los paquete de Ubuntu Quantal

http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/universe/l/likewise-open/likewise-open-gui_6.1.0.406-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb

http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/main/l/likewise-open/likewise-open_6.1.0.406-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb

y los he instalado en un Debian wheezy amd64 sin inconvenientes de
dependencias de ningún tipo (máquina virtual de pruebas).

Por lo que los paquetes son seguros y no lían la instalación de Debian.

Por lo que alcanzo a probar, simplifica mucho los pasos para unirse a un
dominio.
Sólo pide el nombre de la computadora a unir, el dominio
correspondiente, y no más que eso, muy al estilo Windows.

Desgraciadamente, la página man es excesivamente escueta, y no da muchos
detalles.

SUPONGO que hará bien su trabajo. Por ahora no tengo muchas ganas de dar
de alta una máquina en la red de la empresa, así que le dejo a Carlos
Vargas Rojas que inició el hilo, que pruebe a ver si tiene suerte y le
simplifica la tarea.

Y que nos cuente cómo le fue.

JAP

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Re: Libre Office 3.6

2012-08-11 Thread José Alejandro

El sáb, 11-08-2012 a las 09:28 -0300, Debian GMail escribió:
 El 10/08/12 21:53, José Alejandro escribió:
  El jue, 09-08-2012 a las 17:50 -0300, Debian GMail escribió:
  Preguntonta: ¿Alguien descargó, instaló y probó Libre Office 3.6 en un
  sistema wheezy amd64?
 
  Quiero hacerlo, y la experiencia ajena siempre es bienvenida.
 
  JAP
 
 
 
  Hola ...
 
  Ya lo baje e instale en dos equipos, todo lo que uso normalmente, sin
  problemas . . .
 
  Cambian algunas cosas de la interfaz, nada más . . .
 
  A disfrutarlo . . .
 
  Saludos . . .
 
  Alejandro Ramírez . . .
 
 
 
 
 Lo bajé y lo instalé ayer.
 En una wheezy con ad64, hobo un solo problemita y tuve que desinstalar 
 un paquete viejo a mano.
 El resto,hasta ahora, sin inconvenientes.
 
 JAP
 
 

Hola . . .

Perdón, me falto comentar que mantengo el LibreOffice que viene en la
distribución e instalo a mano el que bajo de la fundación y que se
instala en /opt/libreoffice antes usaban rutas diferentes para el
entorno de usuario ahora usan la misma ruta
/home/usuario/.config/libreoffice/3/user, por lo que la ultima que
instales pisa a la anterior . . .

¿Qué tipo de error te dio? ...

Saludos . . .

Alejandro Ramírez . . .


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Re: Nota: Debian cambia GNOME por Xfce para Wheezey. La razón: GNOME es demasiado grande para caber en un CD

2012-08-11 Thread José Manuel (EB8CXW)




El 11/08/12 17:17, Marc Olive escribió:

On Saturday 11 August 2012 17:50:37 José Manuel (EB8CXW) wrote:

El 09/08/12 16:48, Camaleón escribió:

El Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:28:24 -0300, Augusto Lescano escribió:

(ese html...)


Me parece muy bien. Lo que no entiendo es ¿Qué hay de malo con esto? Si
quieren gnome seguro estará en el segundo o tercer cd.

No tiene nada de malo (GNOME seguirá estando disponible en una imagen
aparte), pero me parece un poco radical ese tipo de cambio (modificar el
instalador), en este momento (wheezy ya ha sido congelada) y todo eso sin
consultar antes a los usuarios.

Además, ¿por qué XFCE? ¿No hay otras opciones?

Saludos,

Hola a tod@s:

No entiendo este cambio, ni la discusión.

¿Se cambia porqué Gnome no entra en un CD? y ¿qué pasa con los DVD?, en
mi caso hace años que no me descargo un CD, siempre me descargo el
primer DVD.

No pasa nada con los DVDs, ahí están.


Y sino entra en un CD, ¿por qué se debe poner por defecto un entorno? no
sería mejor poner un paso más para que la gente eligiera el entorno que
quiera en el 1º CD y te derivara al CD en que este el entorno que
quieres, ¿qué dificultad hay en eso.

¿Es que no te has enterado? Por que en un CD no cabe.


Además Debian no predica la
libertad por eso solo hay software libre y no propietario.

Si claro, ¿por que lo dices?



Hola Marc

¿Me estas indicando que el problema y cambio solo estará en los CD y no 
en los DVD, que seguirá igual que hasta ahora?


¿Gnome no coge en un CD? ¿Gnome ocupa más de 700 Mg, que tiene de 
capacidad un CD?, creo que no lo supera, por lo que mi propuesta es que 
en el primer CD haya una opción en el que puedas elegir el entorno que 
quieras, y al pulsar en la opción deseada te mandara al CD en que esta 
el mencionado entorno. Por ejemplo, Gnome esta en el CD 3, bueno pues al 
pulsar el entorno de Gnome, te indicara que debes introducir el CD 3, y 
así con el entorno de KDE, etc. De esta manera solo tienes que 
descargarte dos CD el 1 y el CD que tiene el entorno que tu quieres.


Por lo indicado en el párrafo anterior es por lo que indico lo de la 
libertad. No me pueden obligar de entrada a tener que instalar un 
entorno determinado, me deben dejar elegir el que yo quiera. Es verdad 
que después puedo cambiarlo, pero por qué me obligan hacer esos dos 
pasos cuando puedo elegir instalar de entrada el que quiero.


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Si vas a escribir.. piensa en esto:
no digas nada que no sea mas precioso que el silencio!!!


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Re: Debian Installation Guiden

2012-08-11 Thread Rolf Edlund

Den 7 augusti 2012 11:16 skrev Anders Jackson anders.jack...@gmail.com:

 Hoppas dom snart utser någon som kan ta över. Varför inte du själv ? :).

 Du menad väl Varför inte jag själv ;-)

Tänkte inte på det.. ;)

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Re: Översätta guiden (var: Re: Debian Installation Guiden)

2012-08-11 Thread Rolf Edlund

Den 7 augusti 2012 11:31 skrev Anders Jackson anders.jack...@gmail.com:
 Brukar vara bra att skicka in en sorts förändring i taget. Exempelvis ett
 kapitel eller ett annat ordval över hela dokumentet.

 Större ändringar diskuteras gärna först så att man inte lägger ner för
 mycket jobb i onödan...

Låter som mycket bra tips Anders!

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Re: xinitrc och

2012-08-11 Thread Jacob Gaarde

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:50:01 +0200
Anders Jackson anders.jack...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  jeg har (haft) samme problem :
 
  jag@jag-tp:~$ ls -lart | grep -i xinitrc
  lrwxrwxrwx 1 jag  jag 8 Jan  6  2010 .xsessionrc - .xinitrc
  -rwxr-xr-x 1 jag  jag  4049 Jun  1 23:08 .xinitrc
  jag@jag-tp:~$
 
 Är det inte ~/.Xsession som ni skall använda via xdm-protokollet
 (exempelvis xdm,kdm,gdm etc)? ~/.xinitrc skall väl användas för kommandot
 startx?
 

Det er muligt, det er den officielle måde. men det virker for mig at
symlinke .xsessiontc til .xinitrc.
grunden til at jeg gør det sådan, er at så virker det også, når jeg
bruger samme home på en RH-klon


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windows

2012-08-11 Thread mattias


någon som kör debian på heltid dvs inget windows?
någon mer än jag som tröttnat på windows?
la in ett program igår som kraschade windows totalt
så nu har man tröttnat på windows


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Re: xinitrc och

2012-08-11 Thread Anders Jackson

Men .Xsession fungerar i RH med. Sedan så har  .xinitrc och .Xsession olika
semantik, så det är skillnad. Läs dokumentationen och skript för att se
exakt.
Bara för att det verkar fungera, så behöver det inte vara rätt...
Den 11 aug 2012 19:57 skrev Jacob Gaarde jgaa...@gmail.com:

 On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:50:01 +0200
 Anders Jackson anders.jack...@gmail.com wrote:

  
   jeg har (haft) samme problem :
  
   jag@jag-tp:~$ ls -lart | grep -i xinitrc
   lrwxrwxrwx 1 jag  jag 8 Jan  6  2010 .xsessionrc - .xinitrc
   -rwxr-xr-x 1 jag  jag  4049 Jun  1 23:08 .xinitrc
   jag@jag-tp:~$
 
  Är det inte ~/.Xsession som ni skall använda via xdm-protokollet
  (exempelvis xdm,kdm,gdm etc)? ~/.xinitrc skall väl användas för kommandot
  startx?
 

 Det er muligt, det er den officielle måde. men det virker for mig at
 symlinke .xsessiontc til .xinitrc.
 grunden til at jeg gør det sådan, er at så virker det også, når jeg
 bruger samme home på en RH-klon


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Re: windows

2012-08-11 Thread Anders Jackson

Den 12 aug 2012 00:34 skrev mattias m...@mjw.se:

 någon som kör debian på heltid dvs inget windows?

Ja, sedan runt 2001 tror jag.

 någon mer än jag som tröttnat på windows?

Ja.

 la in ett program igår som kraschade windows totalt
 så nu har man tröttnat på windows

Finns många lösningar, vilka inte inkluderar ms windows...

Re: IRC meeting online 19/8 20:00 #debian-gr/OFTC (was Re: θεμα λιστας)

2012-08-11 Thread Pantelis Koukousoulas

2012/8/10 Christos Ricudis ricu...@paiko.net:
 Κριμα. Μαζι με τους αλλους τουλαχιστον δυο θα ησασταν τουλαχιστον τρεις.

Για study group και 3 να ήμασταν θα ήταν αρκετό, αν και από ότι
φαίνεται θα είμαστε αρκετά παραπάνω.

Δεν καταλαβαίνω το λόγο της ειρωνίας αυτή τη φορά. Λίγη καλή διάθεση
πού και πού δε θα έβλαπτε :)

Χαιρετισμούς,
Παντελής

Re: IRC meeting online 19/8 20:00 #debian-gr/OFTC (was Re: θεμα λιστας)

2012-08-11 Thread Alexius Dionysius Diakogiannis



11 Αυγ 2012, 18:26, ο/η Pantelis  Koukousoulas pkt...@gmail.com έγραψε:

 2012/8/10 Christos Ricudis ricu...@paiko.net:
 Κριμα. Μαζι με τους αλλους τουλαχιστον δυο θα ησασταν τουλαχιστον τρεις.
 
 Για study group και 3 να ήμασταν θα ήταν αρκετό, αν και από ότι
 φαίνεται θα είμαστε αρκετά παραπάνω.
 
 Δεν καταλαβαίνω το λόγο της ειρωνίας αυτή τη φορά. Λίγη καλή διάθεση
 πού και πού δε θα έβλαπτε :)
 
 Χαιρετισμούς,
 Παντελής


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Re: [OT] Will upcoming Debian 8 release default to XFCE for the CD media?

2012-08-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Vi, 10 aug 12, 17:36:15, Camaleón wrote:
 
 Yes, and here we had a problem with communication: users were not aware 
 about this issue until they've read it from external sources (blogs, 
 magazines, etc...). I'm susbscribed to Debian News and Debian Announce 
 (and now added debian-devel and debian-devel-anounce) in a hope of trying 
 to track these changes/decisions very closely because I'm interested on 
 them but I wonder if this is just an impossible goal to achieve unless 
 normal users subscribe to all of the development mailing lists.

As I see it, if one wants to follow Debian Development they should be 
subscribed to at least -devel-announce, any specific mailing list and 
possibly also -devel.

If one only cares about major changes and/or stable releases than 
-announce, -news *and* reading the Release Notes is enough.

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Re: Noniteractive Installation

2012-08-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Jo, 09 aug 12, 17:35:10, r...@aarden.us wrote:
 
 What do I need to search for to find out how to do this?  Is there
 already a tool to do all of this?

Keywords: preseed, fai

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Re: UEFI install (was: Re: Squeeze install in ultrabooks with SSD and HDD)

2012-08-11 Thread Greg Madden



On Friday 10 August 2012 1:17:16 am Martin Steigerwald wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, 9. August 2012 schrieb Greg Madden:
  On Thursday 09 August 2012 4:37:05 am L V Gandhi wrote:
   On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote:
On 08/08/12 08:48 PM, L V Gandhi wrote:
Has any one installed dual boot system of windows and squeeze in
ultrabooks with both mSATA SSD and HDD?
Kindly give links or procedure to keep windows and linux.
   
You don't have to do anything special. Just partition the disks the
way you like. Linux installers normally expect that dual booting
is a common requirement so they usually handle it pretty well.
  
   I think it is not so easy as I have googled it. Intel RST, UEFI etc
   making things difficult and many have bricked their system. Hence my
   post.
 
  I think the issues you read about are for Windows 8 and the 'secure
  boot' feature of the UEFI bios?
 
  I have not tried Squeeze, Wheezy works fine on a Thinkpad with the UEFI
  bios, SSD  mSata.

 I think Squeeze does not support UEFI properly. It would at least need
 a 3.2 backport kernel

 What did you do to make it work? I have tried two times to get
 either of:

 - GPT + UEFI
 - MBR + UEFI
 - GPT + BIOS

 to work on a ThinkPad T520 and the only think that works right now is

 - MBR + BIOS

 My problem was that the UEFI boot menu never offered to boot from the
 EFI boot partition that I made. I think I might have been missing some
 efibootmgr magic that was explained here or elsewhere before, but as you
 managed to get to work, I´d like to know the exact steps or a link to a
 guide that works, before trying again. Why the GPT + BIOS stuff did not
 work is beyond me – I hat a BIOS boot partition for GRUB and grub-install
 also seemed to use it.

 I bet its not really faster tough since the ThinkPad doesn´t take much
 time in the BIOS anyway. And due to LVM I do not really need GPT, but it
 would be nice to have it anyway.

I am not dual booting, I am using virtualization for the second OS. I have two 
ssd's, not at the same time, Win7 host and a Wheezy host. 

 Not sure about all the:
 - GPT + UEFI
 - MBR + UEFI
 - GPT + BIOS

I just installed Wheezy and it seemed to install just like any other install I 
have done.

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Re: [OT] Will upcoming Debian 8 release default to XFCE for the CD media?

2012-08-11 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Hi!

Am Samstag, 11. August 2012 schrieb Lili-Anne Girard:
  Do you really think that XFCE is tested in the same way that GNOME
  (and Dothe same goes for Razor-QT and KDE, for instance)? I mean,
  there are
 
 more
 
  Dothe GNOME/KDE users out there than XFCE/LXDE/Razor-QT and more
  users
 
 means
 
  well probed software. To make a DE as a default for a distribution
  wewithout being tested intensively can give a bad impression to
  newcomers.
 
 There is as many (and more) Xfce users than any other desktop
 environment.
 
 This pool started on 2011-05-02 and stopped on February 2012:
 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=63626
 
 Total votes : 299
 
 GNOME 2  83  28%
 GNOME 3  18  6%
 KDE  41  14%
 Unity 0No votes
 XFCE 81  27%
 LXDE 62%
 Enlightenment31%
 Openbox27  9%
 Other 40  13%
 
 
 This one started on 2012-06-14:
 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=80733
 
 Total votes : 113
 
 Gnome 2  12   11%
 Gnome 3  15   13%
 KDE 22   19%
 XFCE   2926%
 LXDE0 No votes
 Fluxbox3  3%
 Openbox   1312%
 Mate 5 4%
 Cinnamon  3 3%
 Other1110%

Not directed at you personally but at the thread in general…


So what… and in half a year it might be different again. And how 
representative is that? With 299 votes and then only 113 votes. So about 
185 people who voted in first survey didn´t vote in the second one. So 
exactly what statement do these results make?

I didn´t even know about the survey until now.


Frankly, I don´t get it.

I never ever chosen the default desktop for years. So what?

Its even accessible within the boot menu of netinst.

Only thing that I think might be good is to put this selection prominently 
into the Debian Installer itself. Just in the tasksel selection

- KDE
- GNOME
- XFCE
- LXDE
- and probably some single window manager setups like awesome or so

or even make an extra dialog for it. That might be a good feature wish or 
bug report for bugs.debian.org

Anyway, this discussion on debian-user is not reaching Joey Hess who made 
the change or someone else of the developers _unless_ they follow this 
list.

So aside from venting frustrating about the discussion process this does 
not seem to be a discussion yielding any constructive outcome.

So if someone wants to complain: Do it with the people who made the 
decision or the people who can change it.


So short question: Do you want a change? Then stop discussing it here and 
carry your oppinion where it really can have an effect. Or start a petition 
and carry the results to there. Anything constructive, anything positive 
about it. Yes, thats more work than complaining here, but then … do you 
*really* want a change?

Just complaining here, where Joey Hess or other developers may not even be 
reading, IMHO is just venting frustration . Has its sense do, but frankly 
I start to be annoyed about it cause to me it seems more and more like 
just complaining for the sake of complaining.

I feel so free to set this thread to ignore in KMail now.

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Re: [OT] Will upcoming Debian 8 release default to XFCE for the CD media?

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 10:09 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
 Or start a petition and carry the results to there. Anything constructive, 
 anything positive 
 about it. Yes, thats more work than complaining here, but then … do you 
 *really* want a change?

Why shouldn't users who prefer GNOME3 not get in contact by Debian user
with each other and as the case my be, report the result of such a
discussion to the relevant people? Should they instead spam the
developers with their change of view?

I welcome a switch from GNOME3 to Xfce, but perhaps it's worth to think
about MATE too. I don't have experiences with MATE, others might be
experienced:

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 08:33 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
On 10.08.2012 18:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  GNOME3 isn't a successor of GNOME2, Xfce is much closer to GNOME2.
 
 And MATE is even closer :)

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Microphone does not work on wheezy laptop.

2012-08-11 Thread Sthu Deus

Good time of the day, Camaleón.


Thank You for Your time and answer.
You wrote:

  Then why the head command returned void? :-?
  
  May this is the reason?
 
 What do you mean? :-?

That the head command returned void - therefore no microphone?

(..)

  Actually, I never saw it. :o) - Only on desktops - w/o any problems.
 
 Shhh! Be quiet, your netbook can be listening and won't like seeing 
 you're in doubt about it :-)

No, it doesn't here - the mic. does not function! I can say
anything about for the present time. :o)

  Wait. I must have missed this line from your very first post, but
  this has to be your mic input (this is what I also get from my
  netbook and I can from the mixer applet the mic is there) :-?
  
  Hmm. On desktops I see exactly word microphone or mic - do not
  remember correctly. Then alsa mixer has appropriate handle w/ which
  I can change its gain. - Here, on laptop, I miss all this.
 
 Yes, I also see a Mic device in desktops but not in my netbook (and
 you know what? My netbook also has a STAC92xx chipset, I didn't
 notice until now :-P). I mean, this can be normal and not an error
 per se. Of course, despite not being displayed, the microphone has to
 be visible/ controllable from the sound applet and has work :-)

And w/ this I have problem. I use console only tool - therefore I use
ALSA mixer, and my mic refuses to work unless in it is the built-in
(ROM?) testing program. May it worked under windoze - but I had never
such a one on the lap.

Does Your mic. work?!

 And now I realized I share the same chipset as yours and we also
 share the same kernel version, I can run more tests from my side. Run
 dmesg | grep -i mic, I can see a line referencing the microphone
 device, check if you also have it.

Oh! Me too!

[8.544369] [drm] Loading R300 Microcode
[9.441402] input: HDA ATI SB Mic
as /devices/pci:00/:00:14.2/sound/card0/input13 [9.441589]
input: HDA ATI SB Mic
as /devices/pci:00/:00:14.2/sound/card0/input14 [9.441751]
input: HDA ATI SB Mic
as /devices/pci:00/:00:14.2/sound/card0/input15 [ 9632.081262]
usb 1-7.1: Manufacturer: JMicron [16671.093223] usb 1-7.1:
Manufacturer: JMicron

So, how to use it ?!!! I got excited! :o)

(..)

 Okay, have you checked for the input (mic) volume levels? What kind
 sound controller are you using (gnome/kde volume applet...)? Also,
 test with the usual command line utility to test the mic:

Of course. I just checked now and to my amasement I saw additional
channels appeared. So, I have turned on all of them w/ maximum gain:

Simple mixer control 'Master',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
  Capabilities: pvolume penum
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'LFE',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum
  Playback channels: Mono
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined penum
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Mono: Playback [on] Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Default PCM',0
  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
  Playback channels: Mono
  Mono: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
  Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 15
  Front Left: Capture 15 [100%] [22.50dB] [off]
  Front Right: Capture 15 [100%] [22.50dB] [off]
Simple mixer control 'Digital',0
  Capabilities: cvolume penum
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 120
  Front Left: Capture 120 [100%] [30.00dB]
  Front Right: Capture 120 [100%] [30.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0
  Capabilities: cenum
  Items: 'Front Mic' 'Rear Mic' 'Line'
  Item0: 'Rear Mic'
Simple mixer control 'Mux',0
  Capabilities: cvolume penum
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 4
  Front Left: Capture 4 [100%] [40.00dB]
  Front Right: Capture 4 [100%] [40.00dB]

Yet, no sound from the mic.
 
 arecord -d 10 /tmp/mic.wav

This command hangs - I think it can not use/open mic. device if any.

(..)


Sthu.


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Re: [LAU] OnDemand-performance was(OT: klang)

2012-08-11 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 04:18:23PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 00:22 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 10:34:03AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
   every email address in the mail is shown as is, so at least respect
   the privacy of others and remove email addresses, or much better,
  
  If you post to a mailing list, there *is* no privacy.
 
 There are different levels of privacy, at least mailman archives will
 hide the email addresses and some e.g.
 http://lists.jackaudio.org/listinfo.cgi/jack-devel-jackaudio.org only
 allows to read the archive, when you're subscribed.

But you are on Debian mailing list.  It is all public...

Mailing list is meant to be public.

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Re: [LAU] OnDemand-performance was(OT: klang)

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 21:14 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 04:18:23PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 00:22 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
   On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 10:34:03AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
every email address in the mail is shown as is, so at least respect
the privacy of others and remove email addresses, or much better,
   
   If you post to a mailing list, there *is* no privacy.
  
  There are different levels of privacy, at least mailman archives will
  hide the email addresses and some e.g.
  http://lists.jackaudio.org/listinfo.cgi/jack-devel-jackaudio.org only
  allows to read the archive, when you're subscribed.
 
 But you are on Debian mailing list.  It is all public...
 
 Mailing list is meant to be public.
 
 Osamu

Yes and for me it's ok. I don't use a nickname and I only have one email
address. In this case it was my fault to cross-post. I should have asked
the Debian list for current Debian scripts regarding to ondemand at
startup and then report it at Linux audio users, instead of
cross-posting.

However, many people still won't their email address shown in the
Internet, at least they want something like me-myself-and-i(AT)mars.org.

I'll experienced that today I get less classic spam (Viagra, Gucci, I
need your PIN and TANs to give you a 100$ present), even with my
email address published, than new spam, such as all those inventions
to http://www.linkedin.com/ or I subscribed myself to something that in
the first place seems to be engagé, but after a while it emerged to be
from conspiracy theorists or what ever kind of people.

Regards,
Ralf


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continuous reboots in a two nodes cluster with heartbeat and pacemaker.

2012-08-11 Thread Mauro

Hello, I'm experiencing continuous reboots of my two nodes in a
heartbeat+pacemaker cluster.
Reboots are random, one day they happen one other day not, sometime
for 7 days they don't happen, sometimes they happen at night.
They happen at random days and random time.
Nodes are connected to a Cisco 3570 switch and a SAN storage system.
Perhaps there is a misconfiguration in the interfaces?
Here is my interfaces file:

#
# XEN VLAN CONFIGURATION
#

# BACKEND MANAGEMENT VIRTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE - VLAN ID 118 - PH. IFACE eth0

auto eth0.118
iface eth0.118 inet static
address 192.168.244.10
netmask 255.255.255.0
broadcast 192.168.244.255
gateway 192.168.244.1
vlan_raw_device eth0


# DMZ INTERNET VISIT-CAGLIARI - VLAN ID 109 - PH. IFACE eth1

auto eth1.109

auto xenbr.109
iface xenbr.109 inet manual
bridge_ports eth1.109
bridge_maxwait 0

# DMZ INTERNET - VLAN ID 111 - PH. IFACE eth1

auto eth1.111

auto xenbr.111
iface xenbr.111 inet manual
bridge_ports eth1.111
bridge_maxwait 0

# DMZ INTRANET - VLAN ID 112 - PH. IFACE eth1

auto eth1.112

auto xenbr.112
iface xenbr.112 inet manual
bridge_ports eth1.112
bridge_maxwait 0

# BACKEND APPLICATION INTERNET - VLAN ID 113 - PH. IFACE eth2

auto eth2.113

auto xenbr.113
iface xenbr.113 inet manual
bridge_ports eth2.113
bridge_maxwait 0

# BACKEND APPLICATION INTRANET - VLAN ID 114 - PH. IFACE eth2

auto eth2.114

auto xenbr.114
iface xenbr.114 inet manual
bridge_ports eth2.114
bridge_maxwait 0

# BACKEND DATABASE INTERNET - VLAN ID 115 - PH. IFACE eth2

uto eth2.115

auto xenbr.115
iface xenbr.115 inet manual
bridge_ports eth2.115
bridge_maxwait 0

# BACKEND DATABASE INTRANET - VLAN ID 116 - PH. IFACE eth2

auto eth2.116

auto xenbr.116
iface xenbr.116 inet manual
bridge_ports eth2.116
bridge_maxwait 0

# BACKEND AUTHENTICATION/AUTHORIZATION - VLAN ID 117 - PH. IFACE eth2

auto eth2.117

auto xenbr.117
iface xenbr.117 inet manual
bridge_ports eth2.117
bridge_maxwait 0

# BACKEND BACKUP - VLAN ID 119 - PH. IFACE eth3

auto eth3.119

auto xenbr.119
iface xenbr.119 inet manual
bridge_ports eth3.119
bridge_maxwait 0
bridge_fd 0

# LOCAL XEN POOL NETWORKS
#

# LIVE MIGRATION - VLAN ID 2001 - PH. IFACE eth0

auto eth0.2001
auto eth3.2001

iface eth0.2001 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth0

iface eth3.2001 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth3

auto bond.2001

iface bond.2001 inet static
address 10.1.0.1
netmask 255.255.255.0
bond-mode active-backup
slaves eth0.2001 eth3.2001
bond-miimon 100

# CLUSTER DOM0 - VLAN ID 2002 - PH. IFACE eth0/3

auto eth0.2002
iface eth0.2002 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth0

auto eth3.2002
iface eth3.2002 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth3

auto bond.2002
iface bond.2002 inet static
address 10.2.0.1
netmask 255.255.255.0
bond-mode active-backup
slaves eth0.2002 eth3.2002
bond-miimon 100


# CLUSTER WEB-INTERNET - VLAN ID 2003 - PH. IFACE eth0/3

auto eth0.2003

auto eth3.2003

iface eth0.2003 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth0

iface eth3.2003 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth3

auto bond.2003
iface bond.2003 inet manual
bond-mode active-backup
slaves eth0.2003 eth3.2003
bond-miimon 100

auto xenbr.2003
iface xenbr.2003 inet manual
bridge_ports bond.2003
bridge_maxwait 0
bridge_fd 0


# CLUSTER WEB-INTRANET - VLAN ID 2004 - PH. IFACE eth0/3

auto eth0.2004

auto eth3.2004

iface eth0.2004 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth0

iface eth3.2004 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth3

auto bond.2004
iface bond.2004 inet manual
bond-mode active-backup
slaves eth0.2004 eth3.2004
bond-miimon 100

auto xenbr.2004
iface xenbr.2004 inet manual
bridge_ports bond.2004
bridge_maxwait 0
bridge_fd 0


# CLUSTER STREAMING - VLAN ID 2005 - PH. IFACE eth0/3

auto eth0.2005

auto eth3.2005

iface eth0.2005 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth0

iface eth3.2005 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth3

auto bond.2005
iface bond.2005 inet manual
bond-mode active-backup
slaves eth0.2005 eth3.2005
bond-miimon 100

auto xenbr.2005
iface xenbr.2005 inet manual
bridge_ports bond.2005
bridge_maxwait 0
bridge_fd 0


# CLUSTER MAIL - VLAN ID 2006 - PH. IFACE eth0/3

auto eth0.2006

auto eth3.2006

iface eth0.2006 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth0

iface eth3.2006 inet manual
vlan_raw_device eth3

auto bond.2006
iface bond.2006 inet manual
bond-mode active-backup
slaves eth0.2006 eth3.2006
bond-miimon 100

auto xenbr.2006
iface xenbr.2006 inet manual
bridge_ports bond.2006
bridge_maxwait 0
bridge_fd 0


# CLUSTER CONTENT FILTER - VLAN ID 2007 - PH. IFACE eth0/3

Re: continuous reboots in a two nodes cluster with heartbeat and pacemaker.

2012-08-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 8/11/2012 8:59 AM, Mauro wrote:
 Hello, I'm experiencing continuous reboots of my two nodes in a
 heartbeat+pacemaker cluster.
 Reboots are random, one day they happen one other day not, sometime
 for 7 days they don't happen, sometimes they happen at night.
 They happen at random days and random time.
 Nodes are connected to a Cisco 3570 switch and a SAN storage system.
 Perhaps there is a misconfiguration in the interfaces?
 Here is my interfaces file:



 Do you think there are some errors?

To determine that you need to look at your logs files, not your config
files.  If the nodes are rebooting due to fencing it will be logged
somewhere, as should the underlying network errors that cause the fence
to close.

-- 
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Cisco switch issue -- after Debian updates had me stumped...

2012-08-11 Thread Andrew McGlashan

Hi,

I just wanted to report that I did some updates on my Debian VM
(web/mail/dns server) which runs under Xen, also a Debian server and
which I also installed updates.

When I rebooted the Xen server I couldn't get to my VM from any machine
on my network other than the Xen server itself.  So networking on the
physical machine was fine.

Both ssh and ping failed from every machine on my network that I tried,
except from the Xen server which worked fine; the Xen server could be
pinged without issue and connected to via ssh from any machine on my
network.

I immediately thought the problem was related to the updates (either the
VM or Xen server) that I just installed.  However, I couldn't find
anything that looked out of place and I was thinking about rolling back
changes.

Then I decided to pull the plug on my Cisco switch and reboot it.
Everything come back to normal after the switch had finished rebooting.

Hopefully my little story might help someone else.

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Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior


Hi
I posted this message on the Gimp user list
gimp-user-l...@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html

Hi
This message is addressed to developers.
New Gimp-2.8 would be  a good tool but it is unusable for me. Example: I 
use,  hundreds of times per hour, the functions save and save as, 
indifferently on .png. xcf or .jpeg. To this end, I set two keyboard 
shortcuts with one finger: save=s and save as=u. So I can save lot of 
time. With version 2.8 , it's  impossible . I'm professional. My job is 
to work on images and I can't lost my time. Sorry...
So back to Gimp-2.6. I compiled it on Debian Testing/Wheezy (after 
downgrading gegl and babl)  and it works well.
This is very annoying.   It would be nice to recover ergonomics and 
traditional functions save and save as in Gimp-2.8.

At least give the user the choice
Thanks for your work.
Best regards
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Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 20:21 +0200, maderios wrote:
 Hi
 I posted this message on the Gimp user list
 gimp-user-l...@gnome.org
 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html
 
 Hi
 This message is addressed to developers.
 New Gimp-2.8 would be  a good tool but it is unusable for me. Example: I 
 use,  hundreds of times per hour, the functions save and save as, 
 indifferently on .png. xcf or .jpeg. To this end, I set two keyboard 
 shortcuts with one finger: save=s and save as=u. So I can save lot of 
 time. With version 2.8 , it's  impossible . I'm professional. My job is 
 to work on images and I can't lost my time. Sorry...
 So back to Gimp-2.6. I compiled it on Debian Testing/Wheezy (after 
 downgrading gegl and babl)  and it works well.
 This is very annoying.   It would be nice to recover ergonomics and 
 traditional functions save and save as in Gimp-2.8.
 At least give the user the choice
 Thanks for your work.
 Best regards
 Maderios

The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same
and we need to use export nowadays.

For professional artists (music and drawing) Linux breaks the workflow
much to often. If possible I don't upgrade a system that once fit to my
needs, unfortunately there are sometimes reasons to upgrade.

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: Bug#684293: Info received (Bug#684293: root cause of mount hang in installer [kernel bug])

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Re: Bug#684293: Info received (Bug#684293: root cause of mount hang in installer [kernel bug])

2012-08-11 Thread Sven Joachim

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Re: Bug#684293: root cause of mount hang in installer [kernel bug]

2012-08-11 Thread Christian PERRIER

reassign 684293 linux
severity 684293 critical
thanks

Quoting Brian Potkin (claremont...@gmail.com):
 On Sat 11 Aug 2012 at 19:07:33 +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote:
 
  Quoting M H (mh000...@yahoo.com):
   After some googling I found out that the root cause of the recent mount 
   problems with extended partitions (maybe also mounting disks like sda)
   are related to the infinite loop kernel bug in __getblk_slow. 
   
   (see the explanation: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1189121/)
   The affected debian kernels should get fixed with the patch offered in 
   kernel 3.2.24 (http://lwn.net/Articles/508225/).
  
  
  Is it me or do both these URL return 404?
 
 Quickly tested both of them a minute ago. They worked for me.


OK, reassigning to the Linux kernel.

To Debian Kernel team: this bug has been revealed in D-I beta1. Any
attempt to mount an extended partition (which is done in both
mountmedia and iso-scan) loops forever and D-I appears to be
hanged. This happens for instance each time D-I looks for missing
firmware on existing devices.

We had several bug reports about this. mountmedia has been fixed (more
with a workaround than a real fix) but iso-scan is still affected.

So, it seems that the patch described above is highly wished for
wheezy. It would be great to have it before D-I beta2, indeed.

For that reason, I set the bug's severity to critical (breaks
unrelated packages).



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Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior

2012-08-11 Thread Gary Dale


On 11/08/12 02:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 20:21 +0200, maderios wrote:

Hi
I posted this message on the Gimp user list
gimp-user-l...@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html

Hi
This message is addressed to developers.
New Gimp-2.8 would be  a good tool but it is unusable for me. Example: I
use,  hundreds of times per hour, the functions save and save as,
indifferently on .png. xcf or .jpeg. To this end, I set two keyboard
shortcuts with one finger: save=s and save as=u. So I can save lot of
time. With version 2.8 , it's  impossible . I'm professional. My job is
to work on images and I can't lost my time. Sorry...
So back to Gimp-2.6. I compiled it on Debian Testing/Wheezy (after
downgrading gegl and babl)  and it works well.
This is very annoying.   It would be nice to recover ergonomics and
traditional functions save and save as in Gimp-2.8.
At least give the user the choice
Thanks for your work.
Best regards
Maderios

The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same
and we need to use export nowadays.

For professional artists (music and drawing) Linux breaks the workflow
much to often. If possible I don't upgrade a system that once fit to my
needs, unfortunately there are sometimes reasons to upgrade.

Regards,
Ralf
I agree that the use export instead of save / save as is a little 
bizarre. However, it doesn't really destroy the workflow - just the 
muscle memory.


I'd like to see export do something different - such as save a part of 
file or save into a non-graphic format. However, The Gimp isn't the only 
application that has trouble figuring out what belongs in save / save as 
and what belongs in export. Just get used to it. If you use The Gimp 
that much, it shouldn't take long.



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Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior


On 08/11/2012 08:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same
and we need to use export nowadays.



 Save and save as are different

Save= save the same file (same name) after modifying this file
Ex1: I open house.png, I change contrast, luminosity then I save it
I use only one key to do it: s
It takes 1/5 second

Save as= save this file with another name, another extension
Ex2: I open house.png, I change contrast, luminosity, I delete some 
details I don't like  with rubber then save it under another name like 
house-2 because it's a different version.

I use only one key to save it under house-2.png: u
Ex3: I open house.png. I need .xcf version to build a new image with 
layers, etc.

I use only one key to save it under house.xcf: u

Very quick and simple

For me,  export word is useless and confusing. Export to what? To 
jpeg, png, xcf, tiff ? It depends on the file where you start.

You could start with a jpeg and want to export to .xcf, or the contrary
Save as function is clear: only one key to use and you change only the 
extension or file name. It's the gimp-2.6 behavior.

Regards
M


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Re: UEFI install (was: Re: Squeeze install in ultrabooks with SSD and HDD)

2012-08-11 Thread L V Gandhi

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote:

On Friday 10 August 2012 1:17:16 am Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 9. August 2012 schrieb Greg Madden:
On Thursday 09 August 2012 4:37:05 am L V Gandhi wrote:
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote:
On 08/08/12 08:48 PM, L V Gandhi wrote:
Has any one installed dual boot system of windows and squeeze in
ultrabooks with both mSATA SSD and HDD?
Kindly give links or procedure to keep windows and linux.

You don't have to do anything special. Just partition the disks the
way you like. Linux installers normally expect that dual booting
is a common requirement so they usually handle it pretty well.

I think it is not so easy as I have googled it. Intel RST, UEFI etc
making things difficult and many have bricked their system. Hence my
post.

I think the issues you read about are for Windows 8 and the 'secure
boot' feature of the UEFI bios?

I have not tried Squeeze, Wheezy works fine on a Thinkpad with the UEFI
bios, SSD mSata.

I think Squeeze does not support UEFI properly. It would at least need
a 3.2 backport kernel

What did you do to make it work? I have tried two times to get
either of:

- GPT + UEFI
- MBR + UEFI
- GPT + BIOS

to work on a ThinkPad T520 and the only think that works right now is

- MBR + BIOS

My problem was that the UEFI boot menu never offered to boot from the
EFI boot partition that I made. I think I might have been missing some
efibootmgr magic that was explained here or elsewhere before, but as you
managed to get to work, I´d like to know the exact steps or a link to a
guide that works, before trying again. Why the GPT + BIOS stuff did not
work is beyond me – I hat a BIOS boot partition for GRUB and grub-install
also seemed to use it.

I bet its not really faster tough since the ThinkPad doesn´t take much
time in the BIOS anyway. And due to LVM I do not really need GPT, but it
would be nice to have it anyway.

I am not dual booting, I am using virtualization for the second OS. I have two
ssd's, not at the same time, Win7 host and a Wheezy host.

Not sure about all the:
- GPT + UEFI
- MBR + UEFI
- GPT + BIOS

I just installed Wheezy and it seemed to install just like any other install I
have done.

--
Peace,

Greg
Which vitualiation medium you used ie virtual box?

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Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 22:35 +0200, maderios wrote:
 On 08/11/2012 08:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same
  and we need to use export nowadays.
 
 
   Save and save as are different

They should be different, but they aren't, at least not for
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi gimp
Name   : gimp
Version: 2.8.0-2

I'll take a look later at Ubuntu, I suspect the Debian I've got is using
an older version.


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Re: WTF? several anon_inode and /dev/null listings with lsof search

2012-08-11 Thread Yang Chengwei

On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 05:37:23PM -0400, rabidblog...@safe-mail.net wrote:
 $ lsof | grep anon_inode
 anon_inode
This is anonymous inode, for example, the process open a file on disk
and then unlink it.

After that there isn't a filesystem entry attached to the inode anymore
so the others can't open it. And the process which holds the open file
can operates it until close it.

 
 $ lsof | grep dev/null
 /dev/null
 

For /dev/null, note that there are many process open it, mainly used by
daemon. Its stdin, stdout, stderr redirected to /dev/null.

--
Thanks,
Chengwei

 I find several anon_inodes and over a dozen /dev/null listings, in some 
 listings for each there are several processes which are repeated. I'm 
 expecting this to be a rootkit, but none of the rootkit scanners find 
 anything. Why are these two listings appearing for various processes? I'm not 
 running any virtual machines, emulation, shares, printers, servers, etc. but 
 these listings continue to appear, it doesn't matter what Linux distro I use, 
 these continue to show, even when disconnected from the internet.
 
 What are they?
 Why are they appearing?
 How can I stop these from running? (if they're bad)
 
 I've searched the web and cannot find anything which explains these to my 
 satisfaction.
 
 
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ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

2012-08-11 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi all,
I am sort of in a hurry, need to send two small files.  While the y 
might normally go via email, google will not let them through because they 
are program files.
I have accounts at both yousend it, which I have not used i n a while, and 
send space which has an error on its upload button.
I am not,nor am I interested in using the wizard for either, I am at a 
shell service.

Any other options for file sharing?
Thanks,
Karen


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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:40 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 While they might normally go via email, google will not let them
 through because they are program files.

Pack them into an archive protected by a password. Perhaps your
provider don't allow this too. I suspect google wishes to know what is
inside a password protected archive, because they will collect all
data :p.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

2012-08-11 Thread Karen Lewellen


My provider is not the issue.
You are suggesting that I should zip the files into an archive requiring a 
password?
I am not sure how that would help with gmail, google told me on both 
attempts, one zipped, the other a .exe file that google would not me send 
the files because they were .exe files.

Karen

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:40 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

While they might normally go via email, google will not let them
through because they are program files.


Pack them into an archive protected by a password. Perhaps your
provider don't allow this too. I suspect google wishes to know what is
inside a password protected archive, because they will collect all
data :p.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-11 Thread Stephen Allen

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:55:13AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:33:04AM -0400, Guy Gold wrote:

 GNOME 3 is quite different from the GNOME 2 series, and has made
 some people correspondingly upset. XFCE is fairly similar to
 GNOME 2, and may suit those people better. In particular, GNOME
 3 really wants 3D accelerated video. XFCE doesn't care much
 about that. 
 

I've heard this said by other prior too. Gnome-Shell works fine on an
older circa 2005 IBM X41 laptop. I've been running it since it came to
SID. The main criteria in my experience is having enough RAM. I have 1.5
Gb and Gnome-Shell runs in about a 300 Mb of ram, and that's with a
handful of Gnome-Shell-Extensions to boot. It runs faster and much
smoother than Gnome 2 ever did on this laptop!

So please lets stop the misinformation. Anything using the GTK2 toolkit
is a step backward simply because of the outstanding bugs that will
never be fixed. GTK3 and Gnome-Shell are an improvement in terms of
speed. If one wants the older look of the GTK2 Gnome interface, it can
be had, using Cinnamon. MATE isn't going anywhere in the future because
it relies on  buggy GTK2.


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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:56 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 My provider is not the issue.

I already noticed that you don't have a google account.

 You are suggesting that I should zip the files into an archive requiring a 
 password?

Yes, zip or what ever.

 I am not sure how that would help with gmail, google told me on both 
 attempts, one zipped, the other a .exe file that google would not me send 
 the files because they were .exe files.

If the archive is password protected, they can't scan the contend of the
archive.

If they ban a password protected archive, then perhaps they would
protect openPGP too. If so, nobody should trust google.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 06:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:56 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
  My provider is not the issue.
 
 I already noticed that you don't have a google account.
 
  You are suggesting that I should zip the files into an archive requiring a 
  password?
 
 Yes, zip or what ever.
 
  I am not sure how that would help with gmail, google told me on both 
  attempts, one zipped, the other a .exe file that google would not me send 
  the files because they were .exe files.
 
 If the archive is password protected, they can't scan the contend of the
 archive.
 
 If they ban a password protected archive, then perhaps they would
 protect openPGP too. If so, nobody should trust google.
 ^^oops, ban
 
 Regards,
 Ralf




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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

2012-08-11 Thread Chris

Change the extensions to txt 

Sent from my HTC.

- Reply message -
From: Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net
Date: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 10:56 pm
Subject: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?
To: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org

My provider is not the issue.
You are suggesting that I should zip the files into an archive requiring a 
password?
I am not sure how that would help with gmail, google told me on both attempts, 
one zipped, the other a .exe file that google would not me send the files 
because they were .exe files.
Karen

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:40 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 While they might normally go via email, google will not let them
 through because they are program files.

 Pack them into an archive protected by a password. Perhaps your
 provider don't allow this too. I suspect google wishes to know what is
 inside a password protected archive, because they will collect all
 data :p.

 Regards,
 Ralf

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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:05 -0500, Chris wrote:
 Change the extensions to txt

I suspect that they scan the files and that they'll notice that those
files are no text files ;).


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Re: Debian desktop news

On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:58 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote:
 So please lets stop the misinformation.

GNOME3 eats much more resources. GNOME3 breaks every sane workflow for
artist.



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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

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Yi,

On 12.08.2012 06:40, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 Hi all, I am sort of in a hurry, need to send two small files.
 While the y might normally go via email, google will not let them
 through because they are program files. I have accounts at both
 yousend it, which I have not used i n a while, and send space which
 has an error on its upload button. I am not,nor am I interested in
 using the wizard for either, I am at a shell service. Any other
 options for file sharing?

If those files are small, you might want to package them with File
Roller (or whatever the default extracting and packaging application was).

Otherwise you should use Dropbox, but it would need that even the
receiver is using Dropbox, I think.

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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

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On 12.08.2012 06:47, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:40 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 While they might normally go via email, google will not let 
 them through because they are program files.
 Pack them into an archive protected by a password. Perhaps your 
 provider don't allow this too. I suspect google wishes to know 
 what is inside a password protected archive, because they will 
 collect all data :p.

GPG exists. Encrypt them and Google might not have any idea what you
send :).

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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

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On 12.08.2012 06:56, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 My provider is not the issue. You are suggesting that I should zip 
 the files into an archive requiring a password? I am not sure how 
 that would help with gmail, google told me on both attempts, one 
 zipped, the other a .exe file that google would not me send the 
 files because they were .exe files. Karen

You didn't mention, that you tried zipped file too. The password
protected zip might work.

http://dropbox.com/ might be easier.

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Re: ot: file sharing other than yousendit, or sendspace?

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On 12.08.2012 07:01, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 If they ban a password protected archive, then perhaps they would 
 protect openPGP too. If so, nobody should trust google.

Use -a or --armor with gpg or armor in gpg.conf and all signatures
and encrypted files appear as (encrypted) plain text by default.

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Mika Suomalainen

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Public key: http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/0x82A46728.txt
Comment: gpg --fetch-keys http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/0x82A46728.txt
Comment: Fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A  AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
Comment: Why do I (clear)sign emails? http://git.io/6FLzWg
Comment: Please remove PGP lines in replies. http://git.io/nvHrDg
Comment: Charset of this message should be UTF-8.
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

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