date:20120916

El Sat, 15 Sep 2012 15:13:14 -0300, Manuel Ramos escribió:

 On Sáb 15 Sep 2012 12:40:47 Camaleón escribió:
 
 De todas formas, por el tipo de error podría ser cosa del KWallet que
 es quien se encarga de gestionar las contraseñas de las aplicaciones,
 mira a ver si lo tienes instalado e iniciado.


 Si, KWallet esta iniciado y funcionando, ya que al configurar kmail, me
 solicito configurar la contraseña.
 
 El tema me parece, es que existe algun otro paquete que en conjunto con
 el paquete netkwork-manager-kde brinda la funcionalidad que quiero, me
 refiero a que conecte el modem y me permita iniciar una conexion
 exitosa, sin ese error. O alguna configuracion que desconozco.

(...)

Puedes comparar los paquetes que tienes instalados en cada uno de los 
equipos (dpkg -l) y ver si alguno que falta está relacionado con esto.

Otra cosa que puedes probar es a volver a introducir manualmente la 
contraseña del punto de acceso y como siempre, revisar los registros, 
quizá te den alguna pista (/var/log/syslog y el daemon.log).

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como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

Hola comunidad de usuarios de debian.

¿Como hago para que mi PC ingrese en forma directa hasta mi escritorio, al
momento de prenderlo?

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Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

2012-09-16 Thread Marc Olive

On Sunday 16 September 2012 16:57:59 Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta wrote:
 Hola comunidad de usuarios de debian.
 
 ¿Como hago para que mi PC ingrese en forma directa hasta mi escritorio, al
 momento de prenderlo?

¿Que gestor de entrada usas? Estará explicado en su documentación o disponible 
por entre sus opciones.
Da algo mas de informacion.

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Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

El Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:57:59 +, Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta escribió:

 ¿Como hago para que mi PC ingrese en forma directa hasta mi escritorio,
 al momento de prenderlo?

¿Qué entorno gráfico usas? 

Yo lo tengo configurado así, con el inicio de sesión automático, en 
GNOME2 (lenny) y en GNOME 3 (wheezy).

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Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

2012-09-16 Thread Marc Olive

On Sunday 16 September 2012 16:57:59 Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta wrote:
 Hola comunidad de usuarios de debian.
 
 ¿Como hago para que mi PC ingrese en forma directa hasta mi escritorio, al
 momento de prenderlo?

Si usas gdm (Gnome) busca por Google: gdm autologin
O si usas kdm (kde): kdm autologin
O si usas elsqueseadm: elqueseadm autologin

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Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

2012-09-16 Thread Manuel Ramos

On Dom 16 Sep 2012 11:57:59 Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta escribió:
 Hola comunidad de usuarios de debian.
 
 ¿Como hago para que mi PC ingrese en forma directa hasta mi escritorio, al
 momento de prenderlo?

Hola Victor..

tienes que decirnos que entorno gráfico que usas (KDE, GNOME etc) y que version 
de debian usas (estable , testing ...)

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Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

Uso el entorno Gnome. en debian wheezy 6 (estable)

quisiera que ya no me pregunte mi contraseña al iniciar la sesion de mi
unico usuario que tengo registrado.

Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

El Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:21:34 +, Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta escribió:

(ese html...)

 Uso el entorno Gnome. en debian wheezy 6 (estable)
 
 quisiera que ya no me pregunte mi contraseña al iniciar la sesion de mi
 unico usuario que tengo registrado.

Si usas GDM3, prueba lo siguiente (es para wheezy pero debería servir 
también en squeeze)

En el archivo /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf:

[daemon]
AutomaticLoginEnabled = true
AutomaticLogin = tu_usuario

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Re: OT: Servicios de Hosting

2012-09-16 Thread José Manuel (EB8CXW)




El 12/09/12 20:05, EULALIO LOPEZ escribió:

Buen día listeros,
En su experiencia cual servicio me recomiendan para contratar un 
hosting y dominio para un blog colaboprativo sobre software libre que 
quiero iniciar con unos amigos.



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Hola

Yo utilizo_  DinaHosting,  y no esta mal:  https://dinahosting.com/   
échale un vistazo a ver que te parece.


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Re: OT: Servicios de Hosting

2012-09-16 Thread EULALIO LOPEZ

Mucha gracias a todos por sus consejos :)

El 16 de septiembre de 2012 10:33, José Manuel (EB8CXW) 
eb8cx...@infonegocio.com escribió:



 El 12/09/12 20:05, EULALIO LOPEZ escribió:

 Buen día listeros,
 En su experiencia cual servicio me recomiendan para contratar un hosting
 y dominio para un blog colaboprativo sobre software libre que quiero
 iniciar con unos amigos.


 Saludos y Gracias!

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 Hola

 Yo utilizo_  DinaHosting,  y no esta mal:  https://dinahosting.com/
 échale un vistazo a ver que te parece.

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Re: OT: Servicios de Hosting

2012-09-16 Thread linuxk...@gmail.com


On 16/09/12 15:36, EULALIO LOPEZ wrote:

Mucha gracias a todos por sus consejos :)

El 16 de septiembre de 2012 10:33, José Manuel (EB8CXW) 
eb8cx...@infonegocio.com mailto:eb8cx...@infonegocio.com escribió:




El 12/09/12 20:05, EULALIO LOPEZ escribió:

Buen día listeros,
En su experiencia cual servicio me recomiendan para contratar
un hosting y dominio para un blog colaboprativo sobre software
libre que quiero iniciar con unos amigos.


Saludos y Gracias!

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http://zotoluco.wordpress.com



Hola

Yo utilizo_  DinaHosting,  y no esta mal: https://dinahosting.com/
  échale un vistazo a ver que te parece.

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Si vas a escribir.. piensa en esto:
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Algun hosting com.ar para recomendar.

slds.

Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

hola.

hice lo que me dijiste y lo reinicie mi PC. sin embargo sigue igual, me
pide la contraseña.

que debo de poner en la linea [security] del archivo daemon.conf. me parece
que mi contraseña, solo que:¿con que tenor?

Re: OT: Servicios de Hosting

2012-09-16 Thread Edward Ocando

Nosotros acabamos de comprar un servicios de 4 servidores dedicados para
ofrecer hosting, aunque nuestra pagina aun no esta lista, te podemos dar
una cuenta para que la evalúes sin costo alguno durante 2 meses (2 G de
espacio), que es aproximadamente la fecha cuando lanzamos el servicio
oficialmente al publico.

php 5.x
mysql 5.x
ms sql 2008
asp .net 2.0, 3.5, 4.0
perl
mail
ftp
etc.


Avisame si te interesa realizar la prueba.

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El 16 de septiembre de 2012 11:03, José Manuel (EB8CXW) 
eb8cx...@infonegocio.com escribió:



 El 12/09/12 20:05, EULALIO LOPEZ escribió:

 Buen día listeros,
 En su experiencia cual servicio me recomiendan para contratar un hosting
 y dominio para un blog colaboprativo sobre software libre que quiero
 iniciar con unos amigos.


 Saludos y Gracias!

 --
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Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

2012-09-16 Thread Manuel Ramos

On Dom 16 Sep 2012 12:50:28 Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta escribió:
 hola.
 
 hice lo que me dijiste y lo reinicie mi PC. sin embargo sigue igual, me
 pide la contraseña.
 
 que debo de poner en la linea [security] del archivo daemon.conf. me parece
 que mi contraseña, solo que:¿con que tenor?

prueba esto:

Sistema/Administración/Pantalla de identificación . Click en el candado y elige 
el usuario que quieras que comience automaticamente.
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Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

El Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:50:28 +, Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta escribió:

 hice lo que me dijiste y lo reinicie mi PC. sin embargo sigue igual, me
 pide la contraseña.

Manda el contenido completo de ese archivo.

 que debo de poner en la linea [security] del archivo daemon.conf. me
 parece que mi contraseña, solo que:¿con que tenor?

No debes tocar nada más, sólo lo indicado.

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Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

si funciono con el metodo indicado por manuel.

al encender el computador carga el S.O. y llega hasta mi escritorio.

Estoy agradecido y es un gran avance.

sin embargo: me pide que ingrese la contraseña para habilitar e deposito
del anillo de llaves (keyrings).

¿como hago para saltarme este paso mas?

creo que la contraseña  a que esta vez hace alusion es a la de la red wi-fi.

Re: como se hace para el inicio de sesion automatico.

El Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:18:45 +, Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta escribió:

(ese html...)

 si funciono con el metodo indicado por manuel.

Quizá pusiste algo mal en el archivo :-?

 al encender el computador carga el S.O. y llega hasta mi escritorio.
 
 Estoy agradecido y es un gran avance.
 
 sin embargo: me pide que ingrese la contraseña para habilitar e deposito
 del anillo de llaves (keyrings).
 
 ¿como hago para saltarme este paso mas?
 
 creo que la contraseña  a que esta vez hace alusion es a la de la red
 wi-fi. 

Tendrías que crear un depósito de claves inseguro, dejando en blanco la 
contraseña (puede ser inseguro pero es la única forma de que no te pida 
la contraseña).

Lanza seahorse y busca la contraseña del wifi (si es esta la que te 
pregunta), botón derecho sobre la entrada → cambiar contraseña. Lo dejas 
en blanco y confirmas (te dará un aviso de que hacer eso es inseguro, 
blah, blah..), aceptas y reinicias para ver si funciona.

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requiero ayuda de como utilizar emacs

emacs es el editor de texto mas poderoso del mundo.


conozco de los comandos basicos para desplazarme y editar texto de
cualquier archivo.


ahora bien. yo creo audiolibros. y para eso dado un archivo de 200 paginas
debo de dividirlo en 20 archivos de 10 paginas (lo anterior es solo un
ejemplo).

porque en realidad debo de dividir el archivo por peso.

con la precaucion de que no se corte un parrafo. frase u oracion entre un
archivo y el siguiente.

Yo usaba el gedit para dividirlo en dos, luego en cuatro, luego en ocho. de
la mitad en mitad, pero ahy limitaciones en que debe ser obligadamente
potencia de 2.

ademas de que es una labor muy copiosa.

se que con emacs uno puede hacer iteracciones de un comando repetidas veces
con solo poner los argumentos adecuados al comando.

¿alguien que pueda ayudarme en cuanto a la division de un archivos en
partes iguales?

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Instalación del modulo iscsi_tcp.ko

2012-09-16 Thread Ruben Cervantes Rodríguez

Hola colegas de la lista estoy trabado en un paso y de allí no salgo
necesito de su ayuda. La cuestión es que estoy intentando instalar debian
en un iscsi target, encontré una guía que explica como es el procedimiento
para instalar el debian 6 desde un netinstall y lo hago todo como dicen
ellos pero a la hora de instalar el módulo con el comando insmod
iscsi_tcp.ko me tira este error:

error 'inserting iscsi_tcp.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module

he revisado el dmesg y veo unos errores iguales a este Unknown symbol in
module, bueno en realidad son varios parece que me falta activar algo mas
que no se que es.

ya logre cargar todos estos:
insmod /tmp/libiscsi.ko
insmod /tmp/scsi_transport_iscsi.ko
insmod /tmp/libcrc32c.ko
insmod /tmp/crc32c.ko

pero ese dichoso modulo no quiere cargar pudieran los mas guru en estas
cuestiones darme una mano, me estoy guiando por este link: 
http://www.david-web.co.uk/blog/?p=188

Saludos


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Re: requiero ayuda de como utilizar emacs

2012-09-16 Thread Gerardo Diez García

El 16/09/12 18:32, Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta escribió:
 emacs es el editor de texto mas poderoso del mundo.
 
 
 conozco de los comandos basicos para desplazarme y editar texto de
 cualquier archivo.
 
 
 ahora bien. yo creo audiolibros. y para eso dado un archivo de 200
 paginas debo de dividirlo en 20 archivos de 10 paginas (lo anterior es
 solo un ejemplo).
 
 porque en realidad debo de dividir el archivo por peso.
 
 con la precaucion de que no se corte un parrafo. frase u oracion entre
 un archivo y el siguiente.
 
 Yo usaba el gedit para dividirlo en dos, luego en cuatro, luego en ocho.
 de la mitad en mitad, pero ahy limitaciones en que debe ser
 obligadamente potencia de 2.
 
 ademas de que es una labor muy copiosa.
 
 se que con emacs uno puede hacer iteracciones de un comando repetidas
 veces con solo poner los argumentos adecuados al comando.
 
 ¿alguien que pueda ayudarme en cuanto a la division de un archivos en
 partes iguales?
 
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Quizás debieras remitir esta duda a la lista en castellano de emacs.


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Re: [OT] Diseñar GUI. IDEs más utilizados enDebian

2012-09-16 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez

El Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:09:54 + (UTC)
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:28:23 -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió:
 
  El Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:05:21 +0200, Alfonso escribió:
  
  Mi consulta es qué lenguaje y qué IDE capaz de diseñar interfaces
  gráficas me recomendáis. Las aplicaciones son a día de hoy muy
  sencillas, así que no tengo inconveniente en aprender un nuevo lenguaje
  si no lo conociese.
  
 He visto cosas majas hechas con Python y las biblitecas de wxWidgets.
  
  
  Pero si has hecho cosas con Lazarus no  creo que te sea necesario
  aprender otro lenguaje.
 
 Los lenguajes de programación quedan obsoletos en poco tiempo y 
 precisamente Lazarus (basado en freepascal) no sea el más indicado para 
 sacarle todo el jugo a la generación de interfaces modernas.
 

Si, sobre todo C, ya casi ni se programa ( lo que hay que leer!!)

En las empresas cambian cada 6 meses de lenguaje de programacion, no?
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Re: [kde-doc-english] Changes for tag keys: keycap to keysym

2012-09-16 Thread Antoni Bella Pérez

On Sunday, 16 of September de 2012 21:33:40 Burkhard Lück wrote:
 Am Freitag, 14. September 2012 17:52:49 schrieb Antoni Bella Pérez:
This command shows the necessary changes to the documentation set
  
  keys labeled keysym:
  
  find templates/docmessages/* -type f -name *.pot | xargs egrep --color 
  -iR
  keycap.?(Down|Left|Right|Up)(\sArrow)?.?/keycap
  
Please apply necessary changes to the sources (KDE 4.9 and 4.10). Is
this
  
  correct?
 
 This kind of changes from keycap to keysym markup does not change the visual
 appearance of a documentation for the users, but of course helps to
 maintain the docbooks and keep markup consistent.
 
 These fixes can not go directly into 4.9 (stable), only via backports from
 4.10 (trunk/master) done by the translators at certain times.
 
 I prefer to do this kind of fixes only together with
 updating/proofreading/correcting the content of a docbook.

  Hi Burkhard

  Naturally, it helps to review the context is kept updated.

  From the Catalan translation team have created rules for keys (for pology 
tool) that could be exported to other languages. If someone finds them useful.

http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-
support/pology/lang/ca/rules/keys.rules?view=markup

  Toni


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[OT] Re: [kde-doc-english] Changes for tag keys: keycap to keysym

2012-09-16 Thread Antoni Bella Pérez


  Hola lista

  Disculpen los dos correos enviados erróneamente.

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[Off-Topic] Consulta sobre php [Off-Topic]

2012-09-16 Thread El Ale...

Buenas tardes a todos y pido desde ya mil disculpas por el Off-Topic,
Alguien sabe donde puedo hacer consultas sobre php?, etsuva buscando donde
pero no encuentro es que tengo un problema bastante tonto con un bucle
while for que no le encuentro la vuelta y ya me canse de googlear.

Muchisimas gracias y perdon nuevamente por el off topic.

Saludos

Re: [Off-Topic] Consulta sobre php [Off-Topic]

2012-09-16 Thread julher

Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 05:42:44PM -0300, El Ale... escribió:
 Buenas tardes a todos y pido desde ya mil disculpas por el Off-Topic,
 Alguien sabe donde puedo hacer consultas sobre php?, etsuva buscando donde
 pero no encuentro es que tengo un problema bastante tonto con un bucle
 while for que no le encuentro la vuelta y ya me canse de googlear.
 
 Muchisimas gracias y perdon nuevamente por el off topic.

http://php.net/mailing-lists.php

Un saludo

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problemas con codec de sonido.

2012-09-16 Thread Victor Hugo Cespedes Z... (Google Drive)

alguien sabe donde consigo el codec de la tarjeta de sonido integrada de
VIA VT1705.

la salida funciona bien. el problema es el microfono que no entra señal.

los foros que vi sobre esto son muy desalentadores.

Mi tarjeta madre es una ASROCK n68-vs3 UCC

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Re: problemas con codec de sonido.

2012-09-16 Thread Alberto Vicat


El 16/09/2012 20:13, Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta escribió:
alguien sabe donde consigo el codec de la tarjeta de sonido integrada 
de VIA VT1705.


la salida funciona bien. el problema es el microfono que no entra señal.

los foros que vi sobre esto son muy desalentadores.

Mi tarjeta madre es una ASROCK n68-vs3 UCC

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Salen muchos en Google. Fijate si te sirve este:

http://www.downloadsarea.com/Free_linux-via-vt1705/

Ojo que el de la izquierda es para Win.

Saludos


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Re: requiero ayuda de como utilizar emacs

2012-09-16 Thread Carlos Zuniga

2012/9/16 Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta cespedes.zuleta.vic...@gmail.com:
emacs es el editor de texto mas poderoso del mundo.

conozco de los comandos basicos para desplazarme y editar texto de cualquier
archivo.

ahora bien. yo creo audiolibros. y para eso dado un archivo de 200 paginas
debo de dividirlo en 20 archivos de 10 paginas (lo anterior es solo un
ejemplo).

porque en realidad debo de dividir el archivo por peso.

con la precaucion de que no se corte un parrafo. frase u oracion entre un
archivo y el siguiente.

Yo usaba el gedit para dividirlo en dos, luego en cuatro, luego en ocho. de
la mitad en mitad, pero ahy limitaciones en que debe ser obligadamente
potencia de 2.

ademas de que es una labor muy copiosa.

se que con emacs uno puede hacer iteracciones de un comando repetidas veces
con solo poner los argumentos adecuados al comando.

¿alguien que pueda ayudarme en cuanto a la division de un archivos en partes
iguales?

Creo que depende de que utilizas para delimitar las partes.

Una manera simple es usar las líneas, si cada línea es un párrafo,
puedes contarlas con `wc -l archivo.txt`, y tomar una parte de las
lineas con head y tail, digamos que quieres las tres primeras líneas:

head -n 3 archivo.txt parrafos1-3.txt

Y si quieres de la 7 a la 10:

head -n 10 archivo.txt | tail -n 4 parrafos7-10.txt

Si no tienes alguna estructura regular que delimite párrafos, creo que
solo queda hacerlo manualmente.

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He compartido un elemento contigo:

Informática
https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B2LmRjsDZjhgNTYxNmEzOTMtYzk1MC00NmYxLTlkZWQtZWYwMGMyNTkxMWYz/edit?invite=CILh1LwN

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Re: requiero ayuda de como utilizar emacs

2012-09-16 Thread Evgeny M. Zubok

Victor Hugo Cespedes Zuleta cespedes.zuleta.vic...@gmail.com writes:

 ahora bien. yo creo audiolibros. y para eso dado un archivo de 200
 paginas debo de dividirlo en 20 archivos de 10 paginas (lo anterior es
 solo un ejemplo).

 porque en realidad debo de dividir el archivo por peso.

¿Qué quieres hacer exactamente: dividir por peso aproximado, dividir por
número de las partes o por número de las páginas? Entonces ¿qué es una
página?

 con la precaucion de que no se corte un parrafo. frase u oracion entre
 un archivo y el siguiente.

Explica un poco mejor la estructura de tu archivo. ¿Qué es un párrafo,
una oración o una frase?

 se que con emacs uno puede hacer iteracciones de un comando repetidas
 veces con solo poner los argumentos adecuados al comando.

¿Por qué precisamente Emacs? Podrías hacerlo con un script (sh, python,
perl,...). Que yo sepa, en Emacs no hay alguna función predeterminada
para dividir los archivos en partes. Yo sé el Emacs Lisp y te podría
realizar esa función pero sólo después de tus aclaraciones.


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Re: wireless

2012-09-16 Thread Manoel Pedro de Araújo

Ele encherga as redes, digito a senha e logim ele fica conectando mas nuca
entra

2012/9/15 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com

 Sáb, 15.09.2012, Manoel Pedro de Araújo disse:

  Está sim isntalado
 

 E ele enxerga as redes a sua volta?



  2012/9/15 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
 
   Sáb, 15.09.2012, Manoel Pedro de Araújo disse:
  
Olá, amigos, uso debian squeeze, interface kde, compilei o
rt3090, so que o wireless nao navega
   
quando rodo o comando  iwconfig, me fornece
   
lono wireless extensions.
   
eth0  no wireless extensions.
   
wlan0 Ralink STA  ESSID:  Nickname:RT2860STA
  Mode:Auto  Frequency=2.412 GHz  Access Point:
Not-Associated Bit Rate:1 Mb/s
  RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
  Encryption key:off
  Link Quality=10/100  Signal level:0 dBm  Noise
level:-115 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid
frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
   
pan0  no wireless extensions.
   
  
  
   Como vc mencionou o KDE, eu pergunto: o network-manager-kde está
   instalado?
  
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Re: wireless

2012-09-16 Thread Gunther Furtado

Dom, 16.09.2012, Manoel Pedro de Araújo disse:

 Ele encherga as redes, digito a senha e logim ele fica conectando mas
 nuca entra

vc já deu  uma olhada em sites como este?

http://foro.seguridadwireless.net/live-cd-wifislax/comandos-en-iwconfig-y-algunos-trucos/

qual é a saída do comando tipo 

$ lspci -vv | grep alink

abs.,


 
 2012/9/15 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
 
  Sáb, 15.09.2012, Manoel Pedro de Araújo disse:
 
   Está sim isntalado
  
 
  E ele enxerga as redes a sua volta?
 
 
 
   2012/9/15 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
  
Sáb, 15.09.2012, Manoel Pedro de Araújo disse:
   
 Olá, amigos, uso debian squeeze, interface kde, compilei o
 rt3090, so que o wireless nao navega

 quando rodo o comando  iwconfig, me fornece

 lono wireless extensions.

 eth0  no wireless extensions.

 wlan0 Ralink STA  ESSID:  Nickname:RT2860STA
   Mode:Auto  Frequency=2.412 GHz  Access Point:
 Not-Associated Bit Rate:1 Mb/s
   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
   Encryption key:off
   Link Quality=10/100  Signal level:0 dBm  Noise
 level:-115 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx
 invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0
 Missed beacon:0

 pan0  no wireless extensions.

   
   
Como vc mencionou o KDE, eu pergunto: o network-manager-kde está
instalado?
   
abraço,
   
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Re: wireless

2012-09-16 Thread Gunther Furtado

Sáb, 15.09.2012, Manoel Pedro de Araújo disse:

 Olá, amigos, uso debian squeeze, interface kde, compilei o rt3090, so
 que o wireless nao navega
 

vc tentou isso?

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Re: Installation

2012-09-16 Thread Weaver


On Sat, September 15, 2012 10:12 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Sb, 15 sep 12, 21:20:07, Weaver wrote:

 On Sat, September 15, 2012 8:52 pm, Celejar wrote:
 
  Why not install unstable directly?

 I used to, but I haven't been able to access that in the later duscs.

 Either that, or I have forgotten where to access it.
 I remember it wasn't all that obvious originally.

 http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images

Excellent!
Thanks for that.

Although I seem to recall being able to install unstable from an install
disc by accessing that choice through the 'help' menu in the installer.
Wasn't there last couple of times, however, so assumed it had been dropped
to save space, or I had imagined it.
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Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-16 Thread Mark Allums


On 9/15/2012 11:48 PM, lee wrote:

Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com writes:


there is something like HTML5 already out.
Try to have a look on http://www.youtube.com/html5 and then search for
HTML5 support for your favorite browser and you will get an answer.


Hmmm.  They are saying I'm participating in a test and seamonkey
supports Video-Tag and WebM (whatever that is) and doesn't support
h.264.  They are saying chromium supports all of it.

How do I get h.264 support in seamonkey?

I'll gladly remove the stupid flash player, I always hated it.  Yet when
I go to [1] for a test, neither seamonkey nor chromium play flash.  Now
what?


HTML 5 and a video =/= Flash.  Also,

Shockwave =/= Flash.

Shockwave (predecessor to Flash) is about dead, and Flash itself is on 
its way to being abandoned, and the less well-supported OSes will lose 
it first.


What you have to do is wait for your web site(s) to move to the new thing.


 Hm and I have installed these xul-ext-* things packages, i. e. adblock,

flashblock and flashgot.  They don't seem to work with chromium, it says
I don't have any extensions.  Are they for other browsers only?  If they
don't work, I can't use chromium.  These adds are too annoying.


XUL is a Mozilla thing.  Debian packages it as a separate entity. 
Chrome/Chromium has its own plugins/addons.  Go to Google for some of those.




[1]: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/


Shockwave is not Flash.




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Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-16 Thread Mark Allums


On 9/15/2012 11:48 PM, lee wrote:

How do I get h.264 support in seamonkey?


It will probably happen eventually, but h.264 has patents, so it may not 
happen soon.  You can always add it yourself through a plugin.  But you 
may have to *write* the plugin yourself, and it may not be legal in some 
jurisdictions.


There is a lot of churn about this topic, so my understanding may be out 
of date.  They could decide to to add it at any time.  Patience.








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Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-16 Thread Mark Allums


On 9/16/2012 2:22 AM, Mark Allums wrote:

On 9/15/2012 11:48 PM, lee wrote:

Hmmm.  They are saying I'm participating in a test and seamonkey
supports Video-Tag and WebM (whatever that is) and doesn't support
h.264.  They are saying chromium supports all of it.

How do I get h.264 support in seamonkey?

I'll gladly remove the stupid flash player, I always hated it.  Yet when
I go to [1] for a test, neither seamonkey nor chromium play flash.  Now
what?


HTML 5 and a video =/= Flash.  Also,



Oopa.  I meant, HTML 5 and a video *codec* =/= Flash.

I know you knew this, but it bears repeating, we all need reminding from 
time to time.





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[ask] awk - passing for loop bash variables to awk

Hi guys,
I get a difficulty to produce the desired output using awk. i want to
use for loop bash variable as the input to the awk variable
here is the illustrated input:

line_1
line_2
line_3
line_4
line_5
line_6
line_7
line_8
line_9
line_10

here is the desired output:
line_1
line_2
line_3

here is what i do:
cat input | for (( i=1;i=3;i++ )); do gawk -v var=$i 'NR == var { print}'; done

but, the result is always:
line_1

i would be glad if somebody help me. Thanks.

Greetings,

Marco


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Re: [ask] awk - passing for loop bash variables to awk

2012-09-16 Thread Teemu Likonen

Morning Star [2012-09-16 15:44:05 +0700] wrote:

 I get a difficulty to produce the desired output using awk. i want to
 use for loop bash variable as the input to the awk variable here is
 the illustrated input:

 here is the desired output:
 line_1
 line_2
 line_3

 here is what i do:
 cat input | for (( i=1;i=3;i++ )); do gawk -v var=$i 'NR == var { print}'; 
 done

Maybe not what you are asking for but one can get the desired output
with these:

$ awk 'NR = 1  NR = 3 { print }' inputfile

$ head -n3 inputfile

$ sed -n 1,3p inputfile


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Re: Problematic install - cannot find mirror

2012-09-16 Thread Lisi

Hi, Brian!
Thanks for this.

On Sunday 16 September 2012 00:04:05 Brian wrote:
 On Sat 15 Sep 2012 at 23:28:49 +0100, Lisi wrote:
  I am getting a long list of error messages in pairs.  I have copied one
  pair, but am not sure in which order they should go, so I may have copied
  the second of one pair and the first of the next.
 
  quote
  Sept 15 21:15:36 choose-mirror[314171]: DEBUG: command: wget -q
  http://debian.mirror.cambrium.nl/debian/dists/squeeze/ Release -0 - |
  grep -E '^(suite|codename):'
  Sept 15 21:16:16 choose-mirror[31471] WARNING **: mirror does not support
  the specified release (squeeze)
  /quote

 First check your network connectivity by switching to console 2/3 and
 doing

wget http://debian.mirror.cambrium.nl

 You should get an index.html file.

No, I didn't. :-(  Now all I have to work out is where next??

The computer is attached to the network.  I can ping it from another computer 
on the network, the router lists it as an attached device and the router can 
ping it.  Other computerrs on the same net, using the same gateway, are 
accessing the internet fine, so it isn't a supply outage.  

Bash has not yet been installed, which makes running tests from the 
installation a trifle tricky for me.  The obvious thing to try next would 
have been to test the internet with IP - i.e. establish whether it is a DNS 
problem.  But without ping, I don't know how to do this.

Thanks,
Lisi


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Re: Problematic install - cannot find mirror

2012-09-16 Thread Christofer C. Bell

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am doing a net install.  I cannot find a usable mirror.  I have tried at
 least 4 in the UK and 2 in Holland.  So I can progress no further.  Even if I
 were to download CD1 and install from it, the first thing I would want to do
 would be to update and upgrade.  Impossible without a mirror.

While it is not a solution to your current problem, if you were to
install from CD, you'd at least have a fully installed operating
system to troubleshoot from rather than trying to do so in the limited
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Re: [ask] awk - passing for loop bash variables to awk

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Alex Hutton highspeed...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would do :
 cat input | head -n3


thanks, alex. i already know that, but right now i need to understand
how passing for loop bash variables to awk works.


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Re: [ask] awk - passing for loop bash variables to awk

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:14 PM, emmanuel segura emi2f...@gmail.com wrote:
 awk '/line/ {print; if(FNR % 3 == 0){exit}}' var


thanks, emmanuel. i already know that, but right now i need to understand
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Re: [ask] awk - passing for loop bash variables to awk

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Teemu Likonen tliko...@iki.fi wrote:

 Maybe not what you are asking for but one can get the desired output
 with these:

 $ awk 'NR = 1  NR = 3 { print }' inputfile

 $ head -n3 inputfile

 $ sed -n 1,3p inputfile


thanks, Teemu. i already know that, but right now i need to understand
how passing for loop bash variables to awk works.


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Re: [ask] awk - passing for loop bash variables to awk

2012-09-16 Thread Christofer C. Bell

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Morning Star
morning.star.c...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,
 I get a difficulty to produce the desired output using awk. i want to
 use for loop bash variable as the input to the awk variable
 here is the illustrated input:

 line_1
 line_2
 line_3
 line_4
 line_5
 line_6
 line_7
 line_8
 line_9
 line_10

 here is the desired output:
 line_1
 line_2
 line_3

 here is what i do:
 cat input | for (( i=1;i=3;i++ )); do gawk -v var=$i 'NR == var { print}'; 
 done

 but, the result is always:
 line_1


$ for (( i=1;i=3;i++ )); do gawk -v var=$i 'NR == var { print}' input ; done

You're asking awk to read lines from a file, so you need to give the
file over to awk.  The above gives you the output you're looking for.
The bash portion of your script (the loop) and the -v var portion of
your awk command are fine.

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Re: Storage server

Am Samstag, 15. September 2012 schrieb Bob Proulx:
 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
  Am Freitag, 7. September 2012 schrieb Bob Proulx:
   Unfortunately I have some recent FUD concerning xfs.  I have had
   some recent small idle xfs filesystems trigger kernel watchdog
   timer ...
   due to these lockups.  Squeeze.  Everything current.  But when idle
   it would periodically lock up and the only messages in the syslog
   and on
  
  Squeeze and everything current?
  No way. At least when using 2.6.32 default squeeze kernel. Its really
  old. Did you try with the latest 3.2 squeeze-backports kernel?
 
 But in the future when when Debian Jessie is being released I am going
 to be reading then on the mailing list about how old and bad Linux 3.2
 is and how it should not be used because it is too old.  How can it be
 really good now when it is going to be really bad in the future when
 supposedly we know more then than we do now?  :-)

I read a complaint about the very nature of software development out of 
your statement. Developers and testers improve software and sometimes 
accidentally introduce regressions. Thats the very nature of the process 
it seems to me.

Yes, by now 2.6.32 is old. It wasn´t exactly fresh as Debian Squeeze was 
released, but now its really old. And regarding XFS 3.2 contains big load 
of improvements regarding metadata performance like delayed logging and 
more, other performance and bug fixes. Some bug fixes might have been 
backported via Stable maintainers. But not the improvements that might 
play an important role for a storage server setup.

 For my needs Debian Stable is a really very good fit.  Much better
 than Testing or Unstable or Backports.

So by all means, use it!

Actually I didn´t even recommend to upgrade to Sid. If you read my post 
carefully you can easily notice it. I specifically recommended just to 
upgrade to a squeeze-backports kernel.

But still if you do not use XFS or use XFS and do not have any issue, you 
may well decide to stick with 2.6.32. Your choice.

 Meanwhile I am running Sid on my main desktop machine.  I upgrade it
 daily.  I report bugs as I find them.  I am doing so specifically so I
 can test and find and report bugs.  I am very familiar with living on
 Unstable.  Good for developers.  Not good for production systems.

Then tell that to my production use laptop here. It obviously didn´t hear 
about Debian Sid being unfit for producation usage.

My virtual server still has Squeeze, but I am considering to upgrade it to 
Wheezy. Partly cause at the time I upgrade customer systems, I want to 
have seen Wheezy at work nicely for a while ;).

Sure, not the way for everyone. Sure, when using Sid / Wheezy the 
occassional bug can happen and I recommend using apt-listbugs and apt-
listchanges on those systems.

But I won´t sign a all-inclusive Sid is unfit for production statement. If 
I know how to look up the bug database and how to downgrade stuff possibly 
also by using snapshot.debian.org then I might decide to use Sid or Wheezy 
on some machines – preferably in the desktop usage area – and be just fine 
with it. On servers I am quite more reluctant unless its my own virtual 
server, but even there I am not running Sid.

For people new to Debian or people unwilling to deal with an occassional 
bug I recommend stable. Possibly with a backport kernel in some cases.

Well so I think we basically say almost the same, but in different wording 
and accentuation. ;)

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Re: [ask] awk - passing for loop bash variables to awk

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Christofer C. Bell
christofer.c.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 $ for (( i=1;i=3;i++ )); do gawk -v var=$i 'NR == var { print}' input ; done

 You're asking awk to read lines from a file, so you need to give the
 file over to awk.  The above gives you the output you're looking for.
 The bash portion of your script (the loop) and the -v var portion of
 your awk command are fine.

Thanks, Chris. you've clear the dirty dust in my eyes. :)

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Re: Problematic install - cannot find mirror

2012-09-16 Thread Brian

On Sun 16 Sep 2012 at 10:08:50 +0100, Lisi wrote:

  First check your network connectivity by switching to console 2/3 and
  doing
 
 wget http://debian.mirror.cambrium.nl
 
  You should get an index.html file.
 
 No, I didn't. :-(  Now all I have to work out is where next??

ftp.uk.debian.org has the IP address 83.142.228.128 so if

   wget http://83.142.228.128/

gets you the file it might indicate you have a DNS problem.

The nameserver being used may be seen in

   cat /etc/resolv.conf

which, assuming you have set up networking with DHCP, would probably be
the IP address of your router.


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Re: Problematic install - cannot find mirror

2012-09-16 Thread Lisi

On Sunday 16 September 2012 12:01:28 Brian wrote:
 On Sun 16 Sep 2012 at 10:08:50 +0100, Lisi wrote:
   First check your network connectivity by switching to console 2/3 and
   doing
  
  wget http://debian.mirror.cambrium.nl
  
   You should get an index.html file.
 
  No, I didn't. :-(  Now all I have to work out is where next??

 ftp.uk.debian.org has the IP address 83.142.228.128 so if

wget http://83.142.228.128/

 gets you the file it might indicate you have a DNS problem.

 The nameserver being used may be seen in

cat /etc/resolv.conf

 which, assuming you have set up networking with DHCP, would probably be
 the IP address of your router.

Bingo!  Brilliant!  Thank you.  It was a DNS problem, so I reconfigured the 
network by DHCP instaed of entering static values and we have lift-off - and 
I have learnt something.

:-)
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Re: Problematic install - cannot find mirror

2012-09-16 Thread Lisi

On Sunday 16 September 2012 10:13:50 Christofer C. Bell wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
  I am doing a net install.  I cannot find a usable mirror.  I have tried
  at least 4 in the UK and 2 in Holland.  So I can progress no further. 
  Even if I were to download CD1 and install from it, the first thing I
  would want to do would be to update and upgrade.  Impossible without a
  mirror.

 While it is not a solution to your current problem, if you were to
 install from CD, you'd at least have a fully installed operating
 system to troubleshoot from rather than trying to do so in the limited
 environment provided by the installer.

Thanks, Chris.  This is obviously sensible advice and I was just about to 
start downloading CD1 when Brian's post arrived and solved the problem.  I do 
like this list! 

Lisi



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Re: networking with virtual machine

2012-09-16 Thread James Allsopp



Hi,
I think I had a similar problem. To solve the problem first you need to 
set up a bridge, there's instructions in lots of places on how to do this,

auto br0
iface br0 inet static
address 192.168.1.2
network 192.168.1.0
netmask 255.255.255.0
#broadcast 192.168.0.255
gateway   192.168.1.1
bridge_ports eth0
bridge_fd 0
 #   bridge_hello 2
 #   bridge_maxage 12
bridge_stp off

Then you need to alter the VM's xml file,

 interface type='bridge'
  mac address='52:54:00:87:97:a6'/
  source bridge='br0'/

Hope this helps, and if you need any more information, just ask
James

On 14/09/12 00:48, lee wrote:

Rob Owensrow...@ptd.net  writes:


On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:32:40PM +0200, lee wrote:

Hi,

since I'm not making any progress:  I want to set up a VM (running
testing) that can be reachable from the outside over the network.  I've
done that 2 years or so ago and I forgot how to do the networking setup,
and network configuration has changed in the meantime.

I need to somehow set up a bridge interface so the guest can tap into
it.  I don't understand the docs I found about that.  Looking at [1], I
can see that my physical network adaptor won't have an IP address
anymore and that there is only a bridge interface instead.  This is
probably not what I want, and I remember I did it differently before,
after lots of experimenting.


If you're using Virtualbox, you don't need to set up a bridged interface
with regular Linux tools.  You can just select Bridged networking for
your virtual machine and Virtualbox handles it.

In older versions of Virtualbox, it was necessary to set up a bridged
interface using Linux tools.  Their documentation covered it fairly well
as I recall.  I think that was in the version 1.x days.  Maybe you can
find some of their old documentation.


Oh I should have mentioned that I'm not using Virtualbox but qemu/kvm or
how it's called.  That seems to suggest using a bridge[1], and I find
that very confusing.  I understand that apparently I am supposed to
replace my currently used eth1 by a bride device which uses eth1 and to
which I could add other physical devices like eth0.  I don't understand
what the purpose of adding more physical devices would be and what I
actually get when I have such a bridge device and what all that has to
do with a guest.

It seems to me that having the bridge device in theory would somehow
magically enable me to give the guest an IP address in the same network
as the host is.  That isn't what I want because I want the guest behind
the firewall which is on the host (using shorewall).  Of course, I also
don't want to compromise eth1 in any way and don't want to have my
firewall somehow penetrated, which I have no idea about whether it could
happen or not with introducing a bridge device.

I don't get it, it doesn't make any sense to me.  At this point, I don't
even know what questions I need to ask.


[1]: ... or allowing the guest access to a physical network card, about
  which I don't know whether my hardware would support it or not ---
  and I'd have to buy a network cable and plug that into the router
  in which case the guest still won't be behind the firewall of the
  host





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Re: Problematic install - cannot find mirror

2012-09-16 Thread Brian

On Sun 16 Sep 2012 at 12:15:18 +0100, Lisi wrote:

 On Sunday 16 September 2012 12:01:28 Brian wrote:
 
  ftp.uk.debian.org has the IP address 83.142.228.128 so if
 
 wget http://83.142.228.128/
 
  gets you the file it might indicate you have a DNS problem.
 
  The nameserver being used may be seen in
 
 cat /etc/resolv.conf
 
  which, assuming you have set up networking with DHCP, would probably be
  the IP address of your router.
 
 Bingo!  Brilliant!  Thank you.  It was a DNS problem, so I reconfigured the 
 network by DHCP instaed of entering static values and we have lift-off - and 
 I have learnt something.

Excellent :)

I forgot to mention that you could have also changed the nameserver by
editing the resolv.conf with nano. One of the Google ones, 8.8.8.8, is
useful to remember for an emergency.


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Re: Grub2 with multiple Debians

2012-09-16 Thread Dmitriy Matrosov

On 09/16/12 00:45, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Sb, 15 sep 12, 19:03:28, Hendrik Boom wrote:

On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:39:29 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

I've solved this by having one grub in the MBR and installing each grub
in the corresponding first sector of the partition. Not recommended by
grub, but it works.

So each system-specific grub would. presumably, boot just that system.
And what would the MBR grub do? Chainload a boot-time choice the others?

Yes.
So, the MBR grub must have separate config, which is maintained (i
guess) by hand,
and have menuentries, which chainload other grubs. In other words, this
MBR grub's
config hardcodes pathes to system-specific grubs. So, if something
change in the
partition layout (e.g. you install yet another linux distribution), you
need to
manually update MBR grub's config. Am i right? If so, what is difference
with
loading another config (`configfile`) instead of chainloading
(`chainloader`)
another grub? Well, i do not mean the difference, that in your case each
grub
will have all modules in its own grubdir, whereas in my case there is
only one
grubdir for all OSes, but many configs. I mean what is the difference in
using

this scheme? Has it some considerable advantages? E.g. is it much simpler?
Or what?

But, anyway, answering to the above question has sense only, if it is
possible to
install such scheme, but i can't do it. dpkg-reconfigure either does not
ask where
to install, or grub-install refuses to do so. I don't know how
dpkg-reconfigure works
(and don't want to know), but if i use grub-install from cmd it refuses
to install into
partition as well. I think, this is because grub have already been
installed into mbr.

And this is expected behavior, though, as noted in [1]:

At least on BIOS systems, if you tell grub-install to install GRUB to a
partition but GRUB has already been installed in the master boot record,
then the GRUB installation in the partition will be ignored.

May be i miss some option, but to be honest i do neither try hard to
figure out why it
refuses, nor i try to look into sources. Well, probably just because
scheme with different

configs works fine for me.

[1]:
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell.html#GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell

Re: Storage server

Am Freitag, 14. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
 On 9/14/2012 7:57 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
  Am Freitag, 14. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
  Thus my advice to you is:
  
  Do not use LVM.  Directly format the RAID10 device using the
  mkfs.xfs defaults.  mkfs.xfs will read the md configuration and
  automatically align the filesystem to the stripe width.
 
  
 
  Just for completeness:
  
 
  It is possible to manually align XFS via mkfs.xfs / mount options.
  But  then thats an extra step thats unnecessary when creating XFS
  directly on MD.
 
 And not optimal for XFS beginners.  But the main reason for avoiding
 LVM is that LVM creates a slice and dice mentality among its users,
 and many become too liberal with the carving knife, ending up with a
 filesystem made of sometimes a dozen LVM slivers.  Then XFS
 performance suffers due to the resulting inode/extent/free space
 layout.

Agreed.

I have seen VMs with seperate /usr and minimal / and mis-estimated sizing. 
There was perfectly enough place in the VMDK, but just in the wrong 
partition. I fixed it back then by adding another VMDK file. (So even with 
partitions I found those setups.)

Something else is to split up /var/log or /var.

But then we are talking about user and not system data here anyway.

I have always recommended to leave at least 10-15% free, but from a 
discussion on XFS mailinglist where you took part, I learned that 
depending on use case for large volumes even more free space might be 
necessary for performant long term operation.

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Re: Storage server

Hi Kelly,

Am Samstag, 15. September 2012 schrieb Kelly Clowers:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
On 9/14/2012 11:29 AM, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
wrote:
On 9/13/2012 5:20 AM, Veljko wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 08:34:51AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
One of the big reasons (other than cost) that I mentioned this
card is that Adaptec tends to be more forgiving with non RAID
specific (ERC/TLER) drives, and lists your Seagate 3TB drives as
compatible. LSI and other controllers will not work with these
drives due to lack of RAID specific ERC/TLER.

Those are really valuable informations. I wasn't aware that not
all drives works with RAID cards.

Consumer hard drives will not work with most RAID cards. As a
general rule, RAID cards require enterprise SATA drives or SAS
drives.

They don't work with real hardware RAID? How weird! Why is that?

Surely you're pulling my leg Kelly, and already know the answer.

If not, the answer is the ERC/TLER timeout period. Nearly all
hardware RAID controllers expect a drive to respond to a command
within 10 seconds or less. If the drive must perform error recovery
on a sector or group of sectors it must do so within this time
limit. If the drive takes longer than this period the controller
will flag it as bad and kick it out of the array. The assumption
here is that a drive taking that long to respond has a problem and
should be replaced.

Most consumer drives have no such timeout limit. They will churn
forever attempting to recover an unreadable sector. Thus routine
errors on consumer drives often get them kicked instantly when used
on read RAID controllers.

Why would I be pulling your leg? I have never had opportunity to work
with real raid cards. Nor have I ever heard anyone say that before.
The highest end I have used was I believe a Highpoint card, about
~$150 range, which was fakeRAID (and I believe the drives
attached to that were enterprise drives anyway)

Thanks for the info.

Read the stuff that was linked from some other article link posted here.

Especially:

What makes a hard drive enterprise class?
Posted on 05-11-2010 23:19:18 UTC | Updated on 05-11-2010 23:43:48 UTC
Section: /hardware/disks/ | Permanent Link
http://www.pantz.org/hardware/disks/what_makes_a_hard_drive_enterprise_class.html

But also

Everything You Know About Disks Is Wrong
by ROBIN HARRIS on TUESDAY, 20 FEBRUARY, 2007
Update II: NetApp has responded. I’m hoping other vendors will as well.
http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/20/everything-you-know-about-disks-is-wrong/

Open Letter to Seagate, Hitachi GST, EMC, HP, NetApp, IBM and Sun
by ROBIN HARRIS on THURSDAY, 22 FEBRUARY, 2007
http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/22/open-letter-to-seagate-hitachi-gst-emc-hp-netapp-ibm-and-sun/

Google’s Disk Failure Experience
by ROBIN HARRIS on MONDAY, 19 FEBRUARY, 2007
http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/

is quite intesting.

So enterprise class drives have this configurable error correction timeout,
but that said, if you leave traditional RAID setups you may still very well
get away with using customer drives. Like Google did.

Now all that from Storagemojo is 2007 stuff. Dunno how much is changed
meanwhile.

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Re: new version of less pager

2012-09-16 Thread David

On 15/09/2012, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
 Austyg wrote:
 v451 of less is desirable because it adds support for GNU regular
 expressions.

 Hmm...  It does say that in the upstream changelog.

 I am unfamiliar with GNU regular expressions.  How are they different
 from either POSIX regular expressions or PCRE (perl compatible regular
 expressions) both of which are already supported by less?

Perhaps it refers to the differences mentioned here?
http://www.regular-expressions.info/gnu.html


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Re: Installation

On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:45:38 +0200, lee wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Lee, one of my argumentation points was based precisely in this premise
 (untechie users do not install their OSes¹) so if you want to discuss
 a different thing based on your own experience because my user-case
 does not match with yours, fine... you can open a new thread and start
 a new debate there :-)
 
 This discussion was about users trying to use the D/i to install Debian.

Nope. The core discusion was around untechie users and Linux in 
general.

 You may say that users don't install operating systems. Some do, some
 don't, so what?

Untechie users do not install an operating system, they only use it.

Maybe you are referring to those untechie users that have a positive 
attitude and go an step forward by reading documents and dedicating 
their time to understand how a computer works. 

That's my point: a modern operating system is not easy or hard for users, 
all can be done and is just up to them.

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Re: Installation

On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:59:30 +0200, lee wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Debian people has done a marvelous work with thteir documentation and
 this step (Partitioning) is very well explained there¹ (even it has a
 separate Appendix!).

 ¹http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition
 
 Just give users a way to find and to read this information while they
 are using the installer without requiring them to have anything but the
 installer and the computer they are trying to install on.

That's absurd. You are not going to install an OS in the middle of nowhere, 
dude, so you print the manual (or just the sections you are interested in) 
and you can read it while installing.

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Re: Problematic install - cannot find mirror

Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com writes:

 Thanks, Chris.  This is obviously sensible advice and I was just about to 
 start downloading CD1 when Brian's post arrived and solved the problem.  I do 
 like this list! 

You might want to try installer from here some time:
http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

DHCP isn't the greatest thing to use; you might be better off by using
static IPs, setting up a local name server and use that instead of what
the router provides.  I've seen routers unable to resolve some addresses
while bind did it just fine, so I don't trust them anymore.  It gives
you control over the name server and tends to be faster.  And it's nicer
when you can do ping host instead of ping ... err, what was the
address?  Was it 192.168.1.10 or 192.168.1.50? Or 20? :)


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Re: Installation

Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:

 On Du, 16 sep 12, 02:12:28, lee wrote:
 
 Then tell them about them and give them a working system before and
 during the installation so that they can read the documentation at their
 leisure.

 I think there is a non-zero amount of users that will not bother to read 
 any documentation, even if easily available during the install[1].

Yes, many people probably won't --- and that's fine, it's up to them.
It's only about having the possibility to do that.

 But I still think an installer that works from within Debian Live
 would be nice.

We seem to already have that!  See http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

Am I stupid or wasn't that there a couple days ago?  I looked at these
pages the other day and didn't see it anywhere.

I'll try it out when I set up my VM.

 [1] If I'm not mistaken the Installation Guide is already included on 
 the bigger media.

How do you find it when you're stuck in the installer?  I didn't think
of it and I could really have used it last time I installed.


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Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes:

 Frank McCormick wrote:
 
 Chrome is the nonfree version.  It is nonfree because it includes
 Flash and probably other nonfree things.  Chromium is the free version
 and does not have Flash nor any other nonfree thing embedded.  That is
 the specific difference between Chrome and Chromium.  Chromium will
 use a Flash plugin just like Firefox will use a Flash plugin.

Which plugin is recommended?  Adobe doesn't support it anymore, and the
last time I tried gnash, it didn't work acceptably well.  Lightspark
says it's experimental.

Why can't we just use mplayer to watch videos?  It plays them just fine
when downloaded with flashgot, and I don't want or need videos inside
the browser, it's a very awkward thing to have.  With mplayer, I have
key bindings I can use which I otherwise don't have.

 Chromium is packaged and available for Debian from the main Debian
 repositories.

Well, I've purged chromium because it's too slow.  It takes a second or
two to open a new tab even when only 4 or so are already open and
something like that before that to display the contents of its window
when I move to the desktop it's on.  Perhaps it'll take like 2 minutes
once 60 tabs are open?  Seamonkey doesn't have these problems.


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Re: Storage server

2012-09-16 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 9/16/2012 7:38 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:

 I have always recommended to leave at least 10-15% free, but from a 
 discussion on XFS mailinglist where you took part, I learned that 
 depending on use case for large volumes even more free space might be 
 necessary for performant long term operation.

And this is due the allocation group design of XFS.  When the filesystem
is used properly, its performance with parallel workloads simply runs
away from all other filesystems.  When using LVM in the manner I've been
discussing, the way the OP of this thread wants to use it, you end up
with the following situation and problem:

1.  Create 1TB LVM and format with XFS.
2.  XFS creates 4 allocation group
3.  XFS spreads directories and files fairly evenly over all AGs
4.  When the XFS gets full, you end up with inode/files/free space
badly fragmented over the 4 AGs and performance suffers when reading
these back, or when trying to write new, or modify existing
5.  So you expand the LV by 1TB and then grow the XFS over the new space
6.  This operation simply creates 4 new AGs in the new space
7.  New inode/extent creation to these new AGs is fast and reading back
is also fast.
8.  But, here's the kicker, reading the fragmented files from the first
4 AGs is still dog slow, as well as modifying metadata in those AGs

Thus, the moral of the story is that adding more space to an XFS via LVM
can't fix performance problems that one has created while reaching the
tank full marker on the original XFS.  The result is fast access to
the new AGs in the new LVM sliver, but slow access to the original 4 AGs
in the first LVM sliver.  So as one does the LVM rinse/repeat growth
strategy, one ends up with slow access to all of their AGs in the entire
filesystem.  Thus, this method of slice/dice expansion for XFS is insane.

This is why XFS subject matter experts and power users do our best to
educate beginners about the aging behavior of XFS.  This is why we
strongly recommend that users create one large XFS of the maximum size
they foresee needing in the long term instead of doing the expand/grow
dance with LVM or doing multiple md/RAID reshape operations.

Depending on the nature of the workload, and careful, considerate,
judicious use of XFS grow operations, it is safe to grow an XFS without
the performance problems.  This should be done long before one hits the
~90% full mark.  Growing before it hit ~70% is much better.  But one
should still never grow an XFS more than a couple of times, as a general
rule, if one wishes to maintain relatively equal performance amongst all
AGs.

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Re: Installation

On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:20:16 -0700, Weaver wrote:

 On Sat, September 15, 2012 8:15 am, Camaleón wrote:

 Newbie Installation of Debian Squeeze 6.0.5 i386 Netinstall disc.

 IMO, newbies should go for CD or DVD installation disc instead.
 
 If they are going to get all their updates from the 'Net in the future,
 they may well be better off experiencing that with the installer.

Can you exapand that? I don't see any relation between using a bigger 
image as installation media and having to update from the net afterwards.

The netinstall simply takes more time for someone who wants to get a full 
desktop environment right after the installation, that's all :-)

 I will use a 3 GiB partition.
 
 This is an older style RAM.
 DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 266 MHz
 Both available slots are filled to a maximum capacity of 2 GB. With just
 abn email client open - just sitting there and Iceweasel with two tabs
 open, I'm using 32%
 
 This is one of the reasons as to why I'm building a new box.

I don't the your point here, sorry. Having 4 GiB of /swap for what, exactly?
Hibernation uses compression and 3 GiB should be enough for this purpose. If you
are worried about the scarce amount of RAM in your system, consider a different
desktop environment (such as XFCE) or using another applications instead memory
eaters like Iceweasel or the like :-)

 IMO, too much space for /home. I would split the remaining space for /
 home and /.
 
 It depends on what you need it for.

It's not you but the system. You have to consolidate your needs with the system 
ones  :-)

 I know one young chap that downloads a lot of movies. What if you have a
 more mature newbie that is starting his own graphics business and is
 trying to keep overheads down by learning GIMP, etc. Graphics files take
 up a lot of space. Potential must be allowed for.

Fine. But remember a system that runs out of space cannot even be booted 
which translates into no movies, no images... no nothing. The operating system
has to be happy and (this is my personal view) the user stuff can be always 
placed in a separated/dedicated hard disk or another media other than taking 
a valuable space that can be used to making room for patches and a plethora of
applications that is still to come...

 You are being too much protective. A linux user (newbie or not) should
 know what these terms are or at least, have a bare idea of their
 meaning.
 
 Yes, but the reality is that they don't. This, again, from personal
 experience. You cannot assume a minimum prior knowledge and then create
 the communication gap that fails to achieve the aim.

A minimum prior knowledge is required for installing an OS. A computer is not 
a fridge and if you start by encouraging users to think that way you'll be 
creating lazy users and this is nothing but a big problem in the future.

 Hidding too much information can be as bad as displaying all the data.
 
 No information is hidden here.

If you only show a unique partition layout, yes, you're deliberately omiting
the rest of the options.

 Only the knowledge for a successful installation is delivered in a
 manner accessible to the market. Mailing lists, etc., are not accessible
 till then.
 Plenty of time for indepth knowledge then.

I think all users (regardless their current skills) have the right to be 
properly 
informed, and this means pointing them to documents and sites where they can 
read
and learn about the available options.

 In my experience, people do not tend to read much at the installation
 screen neither this is a good place where to stay for too long.
 
 There's no need to worry about the time factor. The installer isn't
 going anywhere.

Unless you had developed an energy system that lasts forever, the installer will
go away as soon as the battery or power supply go down, so yes, time is 
something 
to take into account ;-)

  Too much text can make the user to doubt
 
 The information required is no more than it needs to be to achieve
 communication effectively.

Required information will vary depending on the kind of user, some will need 
a more detailed explanation than others and you can't start describing the 
principles of the informatics here.

  and the installation wizard cannot be a replacement for a good manual such 
 the 
 Relase Notes and Installation Guide.
 
 I didn't read about those until well after I had done my first two
 installations and by then I didn't need them. 

That's a bad step. Every user should read the docs before installing, that's 
what
they are for.

 I have actually downloaded the installation guide and have intended to read 
 it, 
 but here we sit, years later, and I still haven't.

I wouldn't encourage any user to follow that proceeding, sorry.
 
 Popularity Contest = Yes. There's more explanation here than there is
 for partitioning.

 I would remove this option.
 
 I know what you mean, but if you want information from somebody else's
 system, it's polite to ask.

(...)

Yes, but not from

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:30:23 +0200, lee wrote:

 trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are
 able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube.  I used to have
 libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play
 such videos.  I have removed it for testing and both browsers still play
 videos.  In the past, seamonkey was unable to play these videos when the
 flash player library was removed.
 
 What might they be using to play these videos?  Where is configured what
 they use?

(...)

about:plugins will tell what other flash plugins are installed and 
available for your browser.

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Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 14:37 +0200, lee wrote:
 flashgot

I installed something called DownloadHelper, but never used it.

$ pacman -Qi firefox
Name   : firefox
Version: 15.0.1-1
Architecture   : x86_64
$ pacman -Qi flashplugin
Name   : flashplugin
Version: 11.2.202.238-1
Architecture   : x86_64

However, for Debian it won't be different as it is for Arch, so at the
moment we still get a working flashplayer. I can't remember any
notification about an outdated flashplayer.
HTML5 won't play ads and does allow right click, so some videos can't be
watched with it. IIRC full screen also doesn't work.
Gnash usually does cause a notification about an outdated flashplayer or
something like that, IOW it doesn't work.

I don't like to download everything and I never downloaded a flash
video.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Installation

On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:33:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 15:15 +, Camaleón wrote:

 Come on... if they are currently browsing the web and getting e-mails
 in their inbox they should already know what a proxy is.
 
 No, they don't know.

Then they can read the docs first or go for a local installation using 
the first CD or DVD (no Internet connection needed).

 Regarding to / and /home and the sizes. Why not simply only install /
 including home?

I only have /swap and / (i.e., no separate /home) but that's not a 
good idea unless you really know what you are doing and what are the pros 
and cons of this layout.

 Btw. When using a file browser on Windows, will it show the
 \backslashes?

Sorry, what?

Greetings,

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Re: Storage server

Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
 On 9/16/2012 7:38 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
  I have always recommended to leave at least 10-15% free, but from a
  discussion on XFS mailinglist where you took part, I learned that
  depending on use case for large volumes even more free space might be
  necessary for performant long term operation.
 
 And this is due the allocation group design of XFS.  When the
 filesystem is used properly, its performance with parallel workloads
 simply runs away from all other filesystems.  When using LVM in the
 manner I've been discussing, the way the OP of this thread wants to
 use it, you end up with the following situation and problem:
 
 1.  Create 1TB LVM and format with XFS.
 2.  XFS creates 4 allocation group
 3.  XFS spreads directories and files fairly evenly over all AGs
 4.  When the XFS gets full, you end up with inode/files/free space
 badly fragmented over the 4 AGs and performance suffers when
 reading these back, or when trying to write new, or modify existing 5.
  So you expand the LV by 1TB and then grow the XFS over the new space
 6.  This operation simply creates 4 new AGs in the new space
 7.  New inode/extent creation to these new AGs is fast and reading back
 is also fast.
 8.  But, here's the kicker, reading the fragmented files from the first
 4 AGs is still dog slow, as well as modifying metadata in those AGs
 
 Thus, the moral of the story is that adding more space to an XFS via
 LVM can't fix performance problems that one has created while reaching
 the tank full marker on the original XFS.  The result is fast access
 to the new AGs in the new LVM sliver, but slow access to the original
 4 AGs in the first LVM sliver.  So as one does the LVM rinse/repeat
 growth strategy, one ends up with slow access to all of their AGs in
 the entire filesystem.  Thus, this method of slice/dice expansion
 for XFS is insane.
 
 This is why XFS subject matter experts and power users do our best to
 educate beginners about the aging behavior of XFS.  This is why we
 strongly recommend that users create one large XFS of the maximum size
 they foresee needing in the long term instead of doing the expand/grow
 dance with LVM or doing multiple md/RAID reshape operations.
 
 Depending on the nature of the workload, and careful, considerate,
 judicious use of XFS grow operations, it is safe to grow an XFS without
 the performance problems.  This should be done long before one hits the
 ~90% full mark.  Growing before it hit ~70% is much better.  But one
 should still never grow an XFS more than a couple of times, as a
 general rule, if one wishes to maintain relatively equal performance
 amongst all AGs.

Thanks for your elaborate explaination.

I took note of this for my Linux Performance analysis  tuning trainings.

-- 
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Re: [Conclusion] Looking for an emacs replacement

2012-09-16 Thread Stefan Monnier

 (if (= emacs-major-version 20)
 (menu-bar-mode -1))

I recommend testing (fboundp 'menu-bar-mode) instead.

 (if (= emacs-major-version 21)
 (if window-system
 (tool-bar-mode -1)))

And here I recommend testing (fboundp 'tool-bar-mode) and calling the
function regardless of window-system.

 (if (= emacs-major-version 22)
 (progn
   ;; Have *Buffer List* use old-style header without white on green 
 highlight.
   (setq Buffer-menu-use-header-line nil)

You can `setq' this regardless of emacs-major-version (older versions
will simply ignore it).

   ;; Disable dark blue on dark background in minibuffer.
   (set-face-foreground 'minibuffer-prompt nil)))

The better fix is to explain to Emacs that your tty background is dark
by setting `frame-background-mode' (either via Customize or if you want
to use plain Lisp, you'll have to not only `setq' the var but also call
(frame-set-background-mode (selected-frame)) afterwards).

 (if (= emacs-major-version 23)
 (progn
   (setq transient-mark-mode nil)
   (setq line-move-visual nil)
   (setq search-whitespace-regexp nil)
   (setq split-width-threshold nil)))

Same as Buffer-menu-use-header-line: no need to test emacs-major-version.

 ;; Disable nasty white on green highlighting in electric-buffer-mode.

I suspect that after setting frame-background-mode some of those faces
will be less nasty.  Of course, you may still dislike them.

 ;; Stop the annoying question about exiting with shell processes still 
 running.
 (eval-after-load 'shell
   '(add-hook 'comint-exec-hook
'(lambda ()
   (set-process-query-on-exit-flag (get-process shell) nil

I recommend you don't quote your lambda expressions.


Stefan


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Re: ntpd crashes.

El 2012-09-16 a las 00:17 +0200, Mauro escribió:

(resending to the list)

 On 15 September 2012 16:47, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 15:43:04 +0200, Mauro wrote:
 
  I think ntpd crashes are because my server lost time.
 
  How can that be? If ntpd daemon is running, the server has to be synced
  and showing the right time. And in the event the time is too much skewed,
  ntpd shouldn't crash but left the time unsynced and registering the error
  at the logs (check if adding -x argument to ntpd helps here).
 
  I have ntpd in two server, now I've seen that in one of these ntp
  crashes and the time of the server is 1 hour forward. That's why ntp
  crashes: server time goes 1 hour forward and ntp can't resynchronize so
  it crashes.
 
  IIRC, you mentioned that after the crash, ntpd could be restarted again
  without problems. If that's true, it means at the time ntpd daemon is
  started, the time of the server is still close to a good enough for ntpd
  can be launched without manual corrections.
 
  Now I don't know why my server time goes 1 hour forward.
 
  Becasue ntpd crashed?
 
 
 Then for me it is a great problem because there are no reasons for
 ntpd to crash.

Sure, there's no single reason for a daemon to crash (their normal 
status should be running unless you tell otherwise :-P), a crash is  
something that needs to be investigated in deep but with debug flag 
turned off an no other insightful logs, that's hard to achieve.

 In one of my two cluster nodes ntp crashes only in the second node.
 The nodes have the same hardware and the same software so I don't know
 why ntpd crashes always in the second node.

Try by appending the -x argument at the /etc/default/ntp file from 
the server that crashes. If your thoughs are correct, this could mitigate 
the time difference.

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Re: ntpd crashes.

2012-09-16 Thread Mauro

On 16 September 2012 17:46, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 Try by appending the -x argument at the /etc/default/ntp file from
 the server that crashes. If your thoughs are correct, this could mitigate
 the time difference.

I've uninstalled ntp and installed openntp from squeeze backports.
I hope this works.


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Re: Preseed for Wheezy - Multi-disk Alternative

2012-09-16 Thread Tom H

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:10:52 -0700, ray wrote:

 From what I have read, it looks like preseeding is only good for one
 disk.  So I am looking for alternatives.

 Where did you get that impression? :-?

 I think preseeding should be able to work with multiple devices and
 partitions, you will only have to use the right naming that points to the
 device (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, and so on...) and maybe a bit of bash
 programming.

You cannot use partman recipes to format more than one disk unless
you're using mdraid or lvm.


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Re: Preseed for Wheezy - Multi-disk Alternative

On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:11:12 -0400, Tom H wrote:

 On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:10:52 -0700, ray wrote:

 From what I have read, it looks like preseeding is only good for one
 disk.  So I am looking for alternatives.

 Where did you get that impression? :-?

 I think preseeding should be able to work with multiple devices and
 partitions, you will only have to use the right naming that points to
 the device (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, and so on...) and maybe a bit of
 bash programming.
 
 You cannot use partman recipes to format more than one disk unless
 you're using mdraid or lvm.

You mean there's some limit that avoids the user to run additional 
commands for partitioning more that one disk? If so, can you please 
expand this info?

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Re: Outgoing firewall and CNAMES

2012-09-16 Thread Tom Grace

On 12/09/12 17:59, Lists wrote:
 I use an outgoing policy of deny on webservers, and allow explicitely
 what I need them to connect to.  This has never posed a problem, until
 today.  I need to allow a website to pull in a feed from another site,
 hosted on amazon's elastic cloud thingy.  The problem is, the DNS name
 is a CNAME to a CNAME to a CNAME, like:
 
 How do you guys deal with this kind of problem?

Generally, I've seen this solved using a whitelisting proxy on another
machine, rather than by using iptables.


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Debian-live systems with encrypted live-media device - what do you specify for the live-media boot parameter?‏

2012-09-16 Thread Steve R





Apologies: Forgot to add a subject line.





Hi,
Hoping someone can help me figure out how to pass the live-media device to the 
linux kernel from GRUB, if the live-media is itself on a LUKS encrypted device. 
Details below ...
I am trying to use Grub 2.00 (with Luks support enabled) to boot a Debian-live 
system from an encrypted LUKS partition. /boot is also located in the encrypted 
Partition. I am using grub.cfg like below, and things work fine (With Grub 
requesting a password for the encrypted file system and parsing grub.cfg, 
displaying the menu, etc.. The problem arises with the linux command to load 
the kernel. Loading the Debian-live based OS requires passing a reference to 
the device hosting the root file system in the /live folder ( via the 
live-media kernel command-line parameter). I am passing this reference as 
/dev/disk/by-uuid/uuid-of-the-decrypted-fs . The UUID I am using is the one 
read by blkid when I mounted and decrypted this encrypted partition from 
another Linux host. However, this does not work and from the GRUB and kernel 
debugging output on the console, it appears to be because the path to the 
decrypted fs device is invalid. If I mount and decrypt the LUKS partition from 
a r
 unning Linux OS, this device is always created with the same UUID, so I 
expected this to happen when GRUB decrypts the LUKS partition. Turns out not to 
be the case.
Is there some way I can indicate to live-boot that the live-media is on a LUKS 
encrypted device and needs to be decrypted first? 

Here is my grub.cfg
menuentry 'FDE Live' {set isofile=/ISOs/linux.iso
# The UUID for the encrypted LUKS partition as obtained by running 
blkidset encryptedfs_uuid=377da6816e9a4c7092ae9016a719d04d 
# The UUID for the decrypted ext4 fs in the LUKS partitionset 
decryptedfs_uuid=a8604976-269b-4ab1-8ecc-63960f60f008
insmod part_msdosinsmod loopbackinsmod iso9660
insmod cryptodiskinsmod luks
echo 'Mounting encrypted disk ...' cryptomount -u 
${encryptedfs_uuid}
echo 'Searching for the root fs in the decrypted fs...'set 
root=(cryptouuid/${encryptedfs_uuid})search --no-floppy --fs-uuid 
--set=root ${decryptedfs_uuid}
echo 'Setting up a loopback device to the CD image'loopback 
loop $root/$isofileset root=loop
echo 'Loading Linux Kernel ...'linux  /live/vmlinuz boot=live 
live-media=/dev/disk/by-uuid/${decryptedfs_uuid} 
fromiso=/dev/disk/by-uuid/${decryptedfs_uuid}$isofile initrd=/live/initrd.img 
config debug video=640x480 fbcon=scrollback:128
echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'initrd /live/initrd.img}
The problem is that at the time of loading the kernel, there is no device 
/dev/disk/by-uuid/${decryptedfs_uuid}
Am just learning things as I go, so please do pardon me if this is a newbie 
question and I have missed something obvious.
Regards,Steve

[no subject]

2012-09-16 Thread Steve R


Hi,
Hoping someone can help me figure out how to pass the live-media device to the 
linux kernel from GRUB, if the live-media is itself on a LUKS encrypted device. 
Details below ...
I am trying to use Grub 2.00 (with Luks support enabled) to boot a Debian-live 
system from an encrypted LUKS partition. /boot is also located in the encrypted 
Partition. I am using grub.cfg like below, and things work fine (With Grub 
requesting a password for the encrypted file system and parsing grub.cfg, 
displaying the menu, etc.. The problem arises with the linux command to load 
the kernel. Loading the Debian-live based OS requires passing a reference to 
the device hosting the root file system in the /live folder ( via the 
live-media kernel command-line parameter). I am passing this reference as 
/dev/disk/by-uuid/uuid-of-the-decrypted-fs . The UUID I am using is the one 
read by blkid when I mounted and decrypted this encrypted partition from 
another Linux host. However, this does not work and from the GRUB and kernel 
debugging output on the console, it appears to be because the path to the 
decrypted fs device is invalid. If I mount and decrypt the LUKS partition from 
a running Linux OS, this device is always created with the same UUID, so I 
expected this to happen when GRUB decrypts the LUKS partition. Turns out not to 
be the case.
Is there some way I can indicate to live-boot that the live-media is on a LUKS 
encrypted device and needs to be decrypted first? 

Here is my grub.cfg
menuentry 'FDE Live' {set isofile=/ISOs/linux.iso
# The UUID for the encrypted LUKS partition as obtained by running 
blkidset encryptedfs_uuid=377da6816e9a4c7092ae9016a719d04d 
# The UUID for the decrypted ext4 fs in the LUKS partitionset 
decryptedfs_uuid=a8604976-269b-4ab1-8ecc-63960f60f008
insmod part_msdosinsmod loopbackinsmod iso9660
insmod cryptodiskinsmod luks
echo 'Mounting encrypted disk ...' cryptomount -u 
${encryptedfs_uuid}
echo 'Searching for the root fs in the decrypted fs...'set 
root=(cryptouuid/${encryptedfs_uuid})search --no-floppy --fs-uuid 
--set=root ${decryptedfs_uuid}
echo 'Setting up a loopback device to the CD image'loopback 
loop $root/$isofileset root=loop
echo 'Loading Linux Kernel ...'linux  /live/vmlinuz boot=live 
live-media=/dev/disk/by-uuid/${decryptedfs_uuid} 
fromiso=/dev/disk/by-uuid/${decryptedfs_uuid}$isofile initrd=/live/initrd.img 
config debug video=640x480 fbcon=scrollback:128
echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'initrd /live/initrd.img}
The problem is that at the time of loading the kernel, there is no device 
/dev/disk/by-uuid/${decryptedfs_uuid}
Am just learning things as I go, so please do pardon me if this is a newbie 
question and I have missed something obvious.
Regards,Steve

Re: Removing deb-multimedia pkgs w/o removing everything

2012-09-16 Thread Sharon Kimble

On 15 September 2012 19:45, Dmitriy Matrosov sgf@gmail.com wrote:
 On 09/15/12 21:38, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Sb, 15 sep 12, 12:53:46, Ed Jabbour wrote:

 I'd like to remove packages gotten from deb-multimedia and replace
 some from the Debian repos.  However, removing them will also remove a
 bunch  of libs and kde progs. E.g., apt-get remove libavcodec53
 yields:

 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 190 to remove and 1 not upgraded.

 I'm not up to reinstalling 190 packages.  apt-get install that pkg
 just tells me that libavcodec53 is already the newest version.  Is
 there any way around this?  Is it possible to easily replace the deb-
 multimedia pkgs with the Debian ones?


 It's possible. I've done it with aptitude by looking up each package
 from the list generated by the command below and selecting the Debian
 version instead of the deb-multimedia version.

  aptitude search ~S~i~Omultimedia

 With apt-get you would have to build up a big command line like

  apt-get install package1/version1 package2/versions ...

 because there are lots of interdependencies which would get in the way.

 You can find packages from deb-multimedia without aptitude as well. Like so

 $ dpkg-query -Wf '${Package}\n' \
  | xargs -d'\n' sh -euf -c '
 apt-cache showpkg $@ \
 | sed -ne
 s/^Package: //p;
 /^Versions:/,/^Reverse Depends:/{
 \_^[^[:space:]].*(/var/lib/dpkg/status)_p;
 }; \
 | sed -neN; /_deb.multimedia_/P;
 ' sh

I tried this on a wheezy installation, and it failed, so I tried
sending it to a 'dpkg.txt' and I got a null output on it although I
know that I do have some files from that repository. I'd like to know
how to get it working on wheezy please?

Thanks
Sharon.

 Result of this command will be list of packages, which are installed
 (referenced
 from /var/lig/dpkg/status) and that are available from deb-multimedia. If
 this package
 version also available from other source (like squeeze repository), it
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Re: Preseed for Wheezy - Multi-disk Alternative

2012-09-16 Thread Tom H

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:11:12 -0400, Tom H wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:10:52 -0700, ray wrote:

 From what I have read, it looks like preseeding is only good for one
 disk.  So I am looking for alternatives.

 Where did you get that impression? :-?

 I think preseeding should be able to work with multiple devices and
 partitions, you will only have to use the right naming that points to
 the device (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, and so on...) and maybe a bit of
 bash programming.

 You cannot use partman recipes to format more than one disk unless
 you're using mdraid or lvm.

 You mean there's some limit that avoids the user to run additional
 commands for partitioning more that one disk? If so, can you please
 expand this info?

Put another way, if you want to format more than one disk and aren't
using mdraid or lvm, you have to do so with d-i preseed/late_command
string ... (or post-install).


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Re: Installation

2012-09-16 Thread Weaver


On Sun, September 16, 2012 7:51 am, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:20:16 -0700, Weaver wrote:

 On Sat, September 15, 2012 8:15 am, Camaleón wrote:

 Newbie Installation of Debian Squeeze 6.0.5 i386 Netinstall disc.

 IMO, newbies should go for CD or DVD installation disc instead.

 If they are going to get all their updates from the 'Net in the future,
 they may well be better off experiencing that with the installer.

 Can you exapand that? I don't see any relation between using a bigger
 image as installation media and having to update from the net afterwards.

The installer disc, unless you get one of the nightly updates, is out of
date as soon as it is produced.
Updates occur throughout the installer procedure - security updates, for
example.


 The netinstall simply takes more time for someone who wants to get a full
 desktop environment right after the installation, that's all :-)

No, that is not all.
The Newbie has to discover how to access a package manager, then discover
which category desktop managers come under. What the difference is between
a desktop environment and a desktop is. what the names of these are. Any
number of other variables. This is the complexity factor that needs to be
removed.



 I will use a 3 GiB partition.

 This is an older style RAM.
 DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 266 MHz
 Both available slots are filled to a maximum capacity of 2 GB. With just
 abn email client open - just sitting there and Iceweasel with two tabs
 open, I'm using 32%

 This is one of the reasons as to why I'm building a new box.

 I don't the your point here, sorry. Having 4 GiB of /swap for what,
 exactly?
 Hibernation uses compression and 3 GiB should be enough for this purpose.
 If you
 are worried about the scarce amount of RAM in your system, consider a
 different
 desktop environment (such as XFCE) or using another applications instead
 memory
 eaters like Iceweasel or the like :-)

I need Iceweasel, not elinks for the work I do on this particular install.
On another install, on the same box, I use elinks - horses for courses.
If you need an elephant, a mouse is useless.


 IMO, too much space for /home. I would split the remaining space for /
 home and /.

 It depends on what you need it for.

 It's not you but the system. You have to consolidate your needs with the
 system
 ones  :-)

Newbies need time to learn that, but this is not an immediate concern. As
I have already said, a bigger / would be appropriate for Newbie needs and
a little less home would work for immediate and ongoing initial needs. For
many, a disc this size would be plenty ongoing. For others it wouldn't.
This is something that each individual case would need to determine for
themselves.
One or two would decide, as an ongoing project, to turn another old box
into a file server. More room requirement can be catered for in any number
of ways.


 I know one young chap that downloads a lot of movies. What if you have a
 more mature newbie that is starting his own graphics business and is
 trying to keep overheads down by learning GIMP, etc. Graphics files take
 up a lot of space. Potential must be allowed for.

 Fine. But remember a system that runs out of space cannot even be booted
 which translates into no movies, no images... no nothing. The operating
 system
 has to be happy and (this is my personal view) the user stuff can be
 always
 placed in a separated/dedicated hard disk or another media other than
 taking
 a valuable space that can be used to making room for patches and a
 plethora of
 applications that is still to come...

I think we are basically agreed on this matter.


 You are being too much protective. A linux user (newbie or not) should
 know what these terms are or at least, have a bare idea of their
 meaning.

 Yes, but the reality is that they don't. This, again, from personal
 experience. You cannot assume a minimum prior knowledge and then create
 the communication gap that fails to achieve the aim.

 A minimum prior knowledge is required for installing an OS. A computer
 is not
 a fridge and if you start by encouraging users to think that way you'll be
 creating lazy users and this is nothing but a big problem in the future.

Yes, but if you require the services of a fridge, you do not need to
understand the difference between a condenser and a compressor
immediately, or which refrigerants are employed. If you choose to become a
refrigeration technician a little further down the track, fine, but
unnecessary initially.

If we do not understand all the internal workings of everything we have in
our homes, from our computers to our electrical and gas systems, to our
cars and air-conditioning, this is not laziness. It is just the time
constraints set by a complex lifestyle and self-determined direction in
life.

I believe that an easier and successful installation is more likely to
lead to the developer of a docs writer or developer than an unnecessarily
difficult one.

If your child attends

Re: Installation

Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:45:38 +0200, lee wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Lee, one of my argumentation points was based precisely in this premise
 (untechie users do not install their OSes¹) so if you want to discuss
 a different thing based on your own experience because my user-case
 does not match with yours, fine... you can open a new thread and start
 a new debate there :-)
 
 This discussion was about users trying to use the D/i to install Debian.

 Nope. The core discusion was around untechie users and Linux in 
 general.

see Message-ID: 
928c0bda5efc0f17394b8f5f1d606ad3.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net

 You may say that users don't install operating systems. Some do, some
 don't, so what?

 Untechie users do not install an operating system, they only use it.

 Maybe you are referring to those untechie users that have a positive 
 attitude and go an step forward by reading documents and dedicating 
 their time to understand how a computer works. 

 That's my point: a modern operating system is not easy or hard for users, 
 all can be done and is just up to them.

I'm referring to users, which are people in the first place.  Some
install OSs, some don't.  You seem to assume that people who don't
really know what they are doing do not install OSs.  Who really knows
what they are doing when they do that?


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Re: Installation

Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:59:30 +0200, lee wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Debian people has done a marvelous work with thteir documentation and
 this step (Partitioning) is very well explained there¹ (even it has a
 separate Appendix!).

 ¹http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition
 
 Just give users a way to find and to read this information while they
 are using the installer without requiring them to have anything but the
 installer and the computer they are trying to install on.

 That's absurd. You are not going to install an OS in the middle of nowhere, 
 dude, so you print the manual (or just the sections you are interested in) 
 and you can read it while installing.

1.) I don't have a working computer to find and print manuals with.
First I need to install Debian (or have that working system).

2.) I don't have a printer.  Do you really still print something?

3.) I don't want this paper crap, I don't have room for it and I hate
it.

4.) During the installation, I might come across something that isn't
(sufficiently) covered in the manual, something unforeseen (so I
didn't print the pages I would need) or just something I want to
know more about before I proceed with the installation.

5.) When I have a working system before installing, I can take my time
to learn before I start to install, and I might even be able to use
the system for things that aren't related to the installation.  That
takes away any pressure to install which might be there because I
need a working computer.

6.) Consider some excited impatience when someone has this shiny new
computer in front of him after they just assembled the parts after
those finally arrived in the mail or at the dealer.  The CD/DVD goes
in and they start the installation because they want their computer
to work.  The option to print manuals and whatever doesn't exist
before the thing works.  I can't go to my neighbours and block
their computer for a week or two or how long ever it takes until I
manage to successfully finish the installation.  I want a working
system _now_.

7.) If it's not 6.), it may be that a friend gave me the installer
CD/DVD and I'm eager to try it out because I have heard so many good
things about Linux.  I have installed OSs before, so how hard can it
be?  The CD/DVD goes into the drive and there I go --- until I get
stuck.  Wow great, I can even switch to a working system and find
out what I need to know!  How cool is that!  Linux is awesome!


It's absurd to assume that people have another working computer at hand,
that they know what manuals to print in advance ...

Anyway, the problem is solved already, Debian has a life installer image
you can use.  I'll try it when I set up my VM.


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