Re: A home directory on removeable storage ...

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 10 apr 13, 08:23:03, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> ... is possible.  I understand the concept of mounting 
> the filesystem.  
> 
> Additionally there can be a backup home directory which 
> stays with the machine, on a hdd for example.  I imagine 
> that when the machine powers up without the removeable 
> storage, the backup home directory is instated.  When 
> the removeable storage is connected, the backup is 
> remounted as another directory in /home and the removeable 
> is mounted as the home.  
> 
> So for example, without the removeable present /home/peter 
> is on the hdd.  With the removeable present, /home/peter 
> is on that and the hdd is /home/peter.bak with the same 
> ownership and privilages as /home/peter.  With udev, it 
> might be accomplished with one or two scripts.
> 
> This can't be an original idea.  Is it available?

I've been experimenting with something like this as well. Something that 
you did not address is syncing the contents, which has to go both ways:

1. usually (i.e. running from the removable /home) the removable /home 
needs to be synchronised to the backup, frequent enough that the backup 
is always usable directly

2. when the removable /home is not available the backup is used and then 
any changes have to be synchronised back to the removable storage as 
soon as it becomes available again

I tried to do this by using mdraid between a harddisk partition and an 
SD card. Unfortunately this setup has corrupted some files, possibly due 
to the frequent suspend-resume cycles (it's a laptop).

Unison (because it synchronises both ways) with very short timings might 
do the trick, but at the moment I'm busy restoring from backup and 
revising my backup strategy :(

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Introductory reading on firewall/iptables/etc for new Debian user?

[Charles Kroeger]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:10:03 +0200
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> That seems to be his whole approach.

Holistic maybe  ☺

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Re: Xfce 4 + LXDM problem

[Igor Cicimov]

This should be better asked in the lightdm forum. Anyway, what is the
content of ~/.xsession, ~/.xinitrc and /etc/lightdm.conf files? In
/usr/share/xsessions there should be file called lightdm-xsession.desktop
that defines the window manager system wide. Check it content especially
the exec line. You can also put that at the end of users ~/.xsession file
to specify different window manager upon login for that user.


On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Patrick Thomas wrote:

> I installed LXDM. I could not get it to run it as the default display
> manager (yes, I had /usr/sbin/lxdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager),
> I had to login and run it from tty. I managed to fix that by adding lxdm
> before exit 0 in rc.local, now my only problem is after I log in through
> lxdm it tries to use lightdm-xsession. I don't have and never have
> installed lightdm or lightdm-xsession or whatever package it is looking
> for, so when it can't find it, it says it can't find it and its falling
> back to default session and I have to click ok to continue. So its just
> a mild irritation, but still. Here is the exact message it gives me:
>
> Xsession: unable to launch "lightdm-xsession" xsession ---
> "lightdm-xsession" not found; falling back to default session.
>
> Any ideas?
>
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Re: How to create a i386 deb from rpm on an amd64 system

[berenger . morel]

Le 26.04.2013 19:39, Johann Spies a écrit :

I want to convert iscan rpm (an Epson scanner driver) to a deb.  This
driver only works on i386 systems.

I have installed multiarch on my system but it seems that there is no
alien that can do the job on my system.

Alternatively, I have an old deb of this package but dpkg complains
there is a duplicate 'Architecture' line in the control file.  Using
mc I could copy the control file from the package to /tmp/ and edit
it, but I could not put it back.  How can I correct the control file
in the debian package?

Regards
Johann


Since Hugo gave explanations that I think should work (I would 
otherwise have gave you the advice to simply uncompress all stuff in a 
folder, fix the file, and then to use dpkg-deb to rebuild the 
package...) I will simply give you some hint about what to search for 
the conversion of a rmp package into a deb one:


#aptitude install alien
$man alien


Have fun :)


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terminal emulator compatible with Ecma-48

[berenger . morel]

Hello.

I know that most terminal emulators support most VT100 escape 
sequences, which are based on ecma-48, but as far as I know, they are 
not able to support the full standard. By example, they only support 7 
bit sequences, and so CSI is 0x1B5B only, were ecma-48 says it can be 
0x9B too. It also seems that blinking is not supported.


So, I would like to know if someone knows about a terminal emulator 
supporting all the standard or, at least, which explicitly says which 
part of it it supports.


Thanks you.

Note:
I'm simply playing with it to write a text editor inspired by mpd/mpc 
which includes feature I have only seen partially implemented in editors 
based on scintilla like multi-line editing (which stops when you try to 
move cursor or to insert multiple lines, by example). I do not think it 
will reach a good enough point to help someone else than me 
(auto-completion will be an interesting challenge too :) ), and am 
mostly doing it for fun.
The use of Ecma-48 is only here to avoid creation of a protocol when I 
can use an easy to extend standard, and console clients are far easier 
and faster to implement than graphical ones.



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Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[Brad Alexander]

I have a box at work that has an uptime of:

 12:32:00 up 1971 days, 18:32,  1 user,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00



On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:10 PM, David Parker  wrote:

> I have a box running Etch that hasn't been rebooted in 1,589 days:
>
> irp:~# uptime
>  12:09:06 up 1589 days, 18:23,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.03
> irp:~#
>
> I swear this is real.  :-)
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>
>> On 2013-04-20 19:24:00 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
>> > Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>> > > That's theory. In practice, old machines get no longer supported...
>> > > I submitted a bug report (and a patch), but AFAIK the bug has never
>> > > been fixed. I upgraded everything except the kernel, without being
>> > > sure I could boot it again (udev incompatibilities...). That's why
>> > > the machine was no longer rebooted.
>> >
>> > And if you get into a situation where the machine reboots whether you
>> > desire it or not?  Power, cosmic ray hit, dead cooling fan, other?
>>
>> It was a laptop, so that power wasn't a problem. A hardware failure
>> wuld have meant that the machine would be probably dead anyway (after
>> the last boot the laptop was already more than 8 year old). This is
>> actually what happened a few months ago: strange noises from the disk
>> and I/O errors...
>>
>> > It happens. Even with UPS mains and redundant power supplies.
>> > Hardware doesn't last forever. Will it boot? If so then great. If
>> > not then you have a nasty problem to sort out and the machine is
>> > down until you do. I would rather know about it on my schedule
>> > rather than its schedule.
>>
>> Even if there were a software problem, I wouldn't have wasting my
>> time to try to fix it for a machine that was almost no longer used
>> (mainly just for portability testing), in particular if the machine
>> couldn't boot.
>>
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Re: wake on lan: power on, no boot

[Freddie]

On Apr 18, 2013 21:28, "Soare Catalin"  wrote:


On Apr 18, 2013 10:14 AM, "Freddie"  wrote:


Hi Debian users,

I asked this question to the debian-laptop list a few weeks ago but 
there's been no solution found. As I'm not convinced my
issues are laptop specific I thought I'd open it up to the wider 
group.


I'm wanting to wake my philips freeline X10 laptop (circa 2004) using 
wol.


I've enabled power on from PCI in the bios, and I've used ethtool and 
/etc/network/interfaces to ensure that wake on magic

packet is enabled for eth0 on every boot. I can confirm this with
# ethtool eth0
(the laptop is connect to the router by an ethernet cable).

After powering off the laptop if I send a magic packet using
# wakeonlan -i  
The laptop powers on (that is, the power led turns on and the DVD drive 
spins up a couple of times) but nothing boots. I'm

left with a blank screen - there're no POST or BIOS screens.

It might also be relevant that a usb peripheral (a sound card, in this 
case) doesn't power on even though it would normally power on at around 
the same time as the DVD drive spinning up during a normal (non-wol) 
boot.


Does anyone have any ideas what this might be? I'm stumped.

Thanks in advance.

Freddie




Hi Freddie


Sorry for the late reply! I'm not subscribed to debian-user and so didn't 
see this email until now. I really should remember to check the list after 
I post. Whoops!




I can't say I have done what you are trying to do, I have only done it 
with desktops. Anyway, to me, how you describe it, your laptop doesn't 
fully start/boot. I don't want to offend you (in case you have checked 
already) but I'd check the manufacturer's website for this symptom, and 
eventually check for (BIOS) firmware upgrades and their changelogs.


I think you're correct - the laptop doesn't seem to start properly. You 
don't offend at all, but I had looked for a newer BIOS than the one I 
have. Unfortunately I can't seem to find anything for this laptop - it is 
gettin on a bit now!


Thanks for you suggestion. I'll keep looking for a BIOS update.

Any other ideas?



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Re: How to create a i386 deb from rpm on an amd64 system

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Johann Spies wrote:
I want to convert iscan rpm (an Epson scanner driver) to a deb.  This 
driver only works on i386 systems.


I have installed multiarch on my system but it seems that there is no 
alien that can do the job on my system.


Alternatively, I have an old deb of this package but dpkg complains 
there is a duplicate 'Architecture' line in the control file.  Using mc 
I could copy the control file from the package to /tmp/ and edit it, but 
I could not put it back.  How can I correct the control file in the 
debian package?




These are my notes from 3 years ago when that happened to me:

HOWTO eliminate the duplicate Architecture field:
Create a package directory (say /mc_4.6.2-2)
then: dpkg-deb -x mc_4.6.2~git20080311-4_i386.deb /mc_4.6.2-2
then: dpkg-deb -e mc_4.6.2~git20080311-4_i386.deb /mc_4.6.2-2
Move the files from the latter into a dir named ‘DEBIAN’
Edit the control file in DEBIAN and delete the second Architecture field.
then: dpkg-deb -b /mc_4.6.2-2
This will create mc_4.6.2-2.deb
dpkg -i mc_4.6.2-2.deb

Hugo


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Xfce 4 + LXDM problem

[Patrick Thomas]

I installed LXDM. I could not get it to run it as the default display
manager (yes, I had /usr/sbin/lxdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager),
I had to login and run it from tty. I managed to fix that by adding lxdm
before exit 0 in rc.local, now my only problem is after I log in through
lxdm it tries to use lightdm-xsession. I don't have and never have
installed lightdm or lightdm-xsession or whatever package it is looking
for, so when it can't find it, it says it can't find it and its falling
back to default session and I have to click ok to continue. So its just
a mild irritation, but still. Here is the exact message it gives me:

Xsession: unable to launch "lightdm-xsession" xsession ---
"lightdm-xsession" not found; falling back to default session.

Any ideas?


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Re: MUA & Yahoo Mail (WAS:Re: Dist-upgrade or upgrade. Which?)

[Celejar]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:55:08 -0700
David Guntner  wrote:

> Patrick Bartek grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Dave Thayer 
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 07:44:29PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> How?  What MUA did you use?  When I initially set up my Yahoo
> >>> Mail accounts (I have several)--this was years ago--there was no
> >>> option with the free accounts for POP3 or IMAP.  It was
> >>> specifically said that if you wanted it, you could, [snip]
> >> 
> >> Oddly enough, while Yahoo! charges for POP access, they enable
> >> IMAP access on the free accounts. I'm guessing that's for mobile
> >> device support. Icedove knows the right thing to do, or look up
> >> the instructions on the Yahoo! help pages.
> 
> Yup.  That's a nice loophole they created that works out well for those
> of us using Thunderbird or other MUAs. :-)
> 
> > Okay.  I found the Yahoo IMAP help page.  The POP help still states
> > you need a "for pay" Yahoo Mail Plus account, but no mention of that
> > for IMAP.  I'll run a test.  I already have Sylpheed on this system,
> > and it is both POP or IMAP compatible.  SSL, too.
> 
> Yahoo supports SSL, so no worries there.  I've got it set for
> imap.mail.yahoo.com on port 993 for SSL/TLS incoming and
> smtp.mail.yahoo.com on port 465 for SSL/TLS outgoing.  Works like a champ.

Wow - this works! Now I can finally go back to my long neglected Yahoo!
account and try to clean it up.

>   --Dave

Celejar


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How to create a i386 deb from rpm on an amd64 system

[Johann Spies]

I want to convert iscan rpm (an Epson scanner driver) to a deb.  This
driver only works on i386 systems.

I have installed multiarch on my system but it seems that there is no alien
that can do the job on my system.

Alternatively, I have an old deb of this package but dpkg complains there
is a duplicate 'Architecture' line in the control file.  Using mc I could
copy the control file from the package to /tmp/ and edit it, but I could
not put it back.  How can I correct the control file in the debian package?

Regards
Johann

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Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:57:28PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> My laptop is at 112 days. Of course it hasn't actually been "on" all
> of those days.

My cat managed to trigger an emergency read-only remount of all
filesystems via sysrq, so I took this as an opportunity to update
the kernel and switch my init(1) again.


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Re: Wheezy issue with broadcom 5720 nic on new dell PowerEdge R720

[Lukas Zita]

I have encountered exactly the same problem. Got four new Dell servers
(2xR820, 2xR620), all with Broadcom 5720. I have installed Wheezy on all of
them, including Xen. But only on two of them, I have installed
firmware-linux-nonfree and only on ONE of them (namely R820), the NIC
behaves like Casper described. Which leads me to assumption, that it is not
related to Debian firmware package, but I can't confirm that, because i
don't know for sure if the problem has existed before the installation. To
clarify: it gets more complicated, because if I run Lifecycle Manager, the
NIC initializes to some state where it can be used in Wheezy, until next
complete power disconnect. And before first installation I was of course in
LCM.

I have spent last few days with thorough testing and got to these
conclusions:
- downgrading/upgrading firmware through Dell firmware utility didn't help
for me
- under 2.6.32 kernel (tested with Centos), NIC works ok
- under 3.x.x kernel NIC fails (tested with stock kernel in Wheezy, Ubuntu
12.04 and ELREPO kernel 3.8.8 in Centos)
- drivers ver.3.124 directly from Broadcom compiled against Wheezy kernel,
behave the same

Then I have noticed small patch in 3.2.43: "tg3: fix length overflow in VPD
firmware parsing", so I have compiled vanilla kernel and got the NIC working
correctly. I will yet try to apply this patch on stock Wheezy kernel, but I
believe that the problem lies there. Hard to tell why only one card from
four tested should return bad value to break the driver, but who knows.



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Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[David Parker]

I have a box running Etch that hasn't been rebooted in 1,589 days:

irp:~# uptime
 12:09:06 up 1589 days, 18:23,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.03
irp:~#

I swear this is real.  :-)


On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Vincent Lefevre  wrote:

> On 2013-04-20 19:24:00 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > That's theory. In practice, old machines get no longer supported...
> > > I submitted a bug report (and a patch), but AFAIK the bug has never
> > > been fixed. I upgraded everything except the kernel, without being
> > > sure I could boot it again (udev incompatibilities...). That's why
> > > the machine was no longer rebooted.
> >
> > And if you get into a situation where the machine reboots whether you
> > desire it or not?  Power, cosmic ray hit, dead cooling fan, other?
>
> It was a laptop, so that power wasn't a problem. A hardware failure
> wuld have meant that the machine would be probably dead anyway (after
> the last boot the laptop was already more than 8 year old). This is
> actually what happened a few months ago: strange noises from the disk
> and I/O errors...
>
> > It happens. Even with UPS mains and redundant power supplies.
> > Hardware doesn't last forever. Will it boot? If so then great. If
> > not then you have a nasty problem to sort out and the machine is
> > down until you do. I would rather know about it on my schedule
> > rather than its schedule.
>
> Even if there were a software problem, I wouldn't have wasting my
> time to try to fix it for a machine that was almost no longer used
> (mainly just for portability testing), in particular if the machine
> couldn't boot.
>
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Re: Wheezy XEN Kernel Different ?

[gary mazzaferro]

Never mind, I'm reposting to deb-kernel

cheers,


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:39 AM, gary mazzaferro  wrote:

> HI,
>
> I was hoping someone can explain the difference between XEN kernel
> installed with the XEN package and the wheezy RC1 kernel ?
>
> I was under the impressions, from Ian Campell's presentation, that XEN
> DomU was native in the wheezy kernel..
>
> Ian's presentation:
> http://penta.debconf.org/dc12_schedule/attachments/225_2012-07-debconf-xen-past-present-future.pdf
>
> cheers,
> gary
>
>
>

Re: Install debian from scratch and keep a home partition

[Dan]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>> - Backup home and the files from /etc passwd, group, shadow and gshadow
>> ...
>> - merge the old passwd, group, shadow and gshadow with the new files
>> found in /etc
>
> You so far have three votes against doing this but I will vote *for*
> doing it.  I think this is okay.  It all depends upon what you have
> already and what you are trying to save.  Backup all of /etc.
>
> I would make a good backup of /etc, /var/backups, and anything in
> /var in particular but /var whole if possible.  MySQL stores files
> there for example and you didn't say what you had installed.
>
> But I have no idea what you meant by merging.  I would only restore
> users that have files on the /home you are keeping.  Any user above or
> equal to uid number 1000.  That certainly makes sense.  Let the
> packages install their own system users for themselves is easiest.
>
> Bob

Thanks, I'll do that. By merging I meant exactly what you said


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Re: Und last aptitude safe-upgrade

[Dan]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Steven Post
 wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 13:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 12:52 +0200, Dan wrote:
> [...]
>>
>> > I checked, and the kernel has not been updated.
>>
>> That's strange, if you downgraded to the old version of X and the kernel
>> version still is the same, but it doesn't work, then something is fishy.
>>
>> Was menu.cfg regenerated? Perhaps there's a bad option.
>> Do you use a xorg.conf?
>>
> [...]
>
> I can't really speak for AMD/ATI, but I ran the NVidia binary driver
> from their website for a while in combination with Debian Testing.
> In my experience, the driver had to be reinstalled every time the x
> packages were upgraded, not just X versions, but packaging changes as
> well. That was really unpleasant as it occurs quite often.
> Not downloading a new driver, just reinstalling the one you already had.
>
> Luckily, I can now use the Debian packages for the binary driver and
> nouveau is also good enough if I don't run 3D heavy applications.
>
> So maybe just try to reinstall the AMD driver?
>

It worked! Thanks a lot, I reinstalled the AMD driver and it worked :)


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Wheezy XEN Kernel Different ?

[gary mazzaferro]

HI,

I was hoping someone can explain the difference between XEN kernel
installed with the XEN package and the wheezy RC1 kernel ?

I was under the impressions, from Ian Campell's presentation, that XEN DomU
was native in the wheezy kernel..

Ian's presentation:
http://penta.debconf.org/dc12_schedule/attachments/225_2012-07-debconf-xen-past-present-future.pdf

cheers,
gary

Re: check against and extract info from .changes

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello List,

On 26/04/13 11:06, Jaikumar Sharma wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Jerome BENOIT  > wrote:
>>Somehow I am looking for the opposite tool of dpkg-genchanges:
>>given a .changes file, I would like to check whether the associated files 
>>(source files + debballs)
>>are the correct one.
> I have not met such tool in debian which does this. Probably, you may think 
> to write your own mechanism.
> In my case, if I have built a debian package from source then I do not have a 
> reason to reverse
> validate it from source, since source is under version control system and 
> changes are tracked, so I do not have
> to worry about it.I still do not see a valid use case for your scenario.

In conjunction with dput to maintain a local apt repository:
I wan to check that the file uploaded by dput are consistent before to archive 
them.

Best wishes,
Jerome

>  
> Good luck.
>  
> --Jaikumar
> 

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Re: check against and extract info from .changes

[Jaikumar Sharma]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
>Somehow I am looking for the opposite tool of dpkg-genchanges:
>given a .changes file, I would like to check whether the associated files
(source files + debballs)
>are the correct one.
I have not met such tool in debian which does this. Probably, you may think
to write your own mechanism.
In my case, if I have built a debian package from source then I do not have
a reason to reverse
validate it from source, since source is under version control system and
changes are tracked, so I do not have
to worry about it.I still do not see a valid use case for your scenario.

Good luck.

--Jaikumar

Re: check against and extract info from .changes

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello Jaikumar,

On 26/04/13 07:23, Jaikumar Sharma wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Jerome BENOIT  > wrote:
>>is there any tools to check against and to extract info from .changes Debian 
>>files ?
> Can you mention as to what you want to achieve?
> Probably, *man dpkg-genchanges* would give your more hints.

Somehow I am looking for the opposite tool of dpkg-genchanges:
given a .changes file, I would like to check whether the associated files 
(source files + debballs)
are the correct one.

Thanks,
Jerome

>  
> --Jaikumar


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Re: Fwd: Question

[Morel Bérenger]

Le Jeu 25 avril 2013 20:03, german carutti a écrit :
> Hello.
> I am a teacher of hardware and software Argentina high school and
> yesterday I was going to buy a cell phone, my main option was android, but
> I have
> found that this system is corporate because you are not allowed to modify,
> interact with the root and also google can see who your contacts,
> calendar, where you are and you do. This agreement does not violate the use
> of free software?

I do not think so. It depends about software licences only. Maybe the
tools on Android are not Open Source Softwares? I only know that it is
based on linux kernel, but it does not imply to have only Free
Softwares...

> No one would have units Alternative to this?
> Thanks for your time.

The Mozilla foundation recently released their OS for smartphones, maybe
this could help you?
The problem is that currently the phones with this OS are not available:
they did not built enough of them :)
If you really want to be able to tinker stuff on your phone and if you
have enough time, I guess you could wait until some become re-available.


PS: this is the Debian user list, this question would have not been
off-topic there, since this one is dedicated to questions about Debian,
not about linux in general.


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