Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

[guojzzz]

在 2013年8月23日星期五UTC+8上午2时30分02秒，Catalin Soare写道：
> On Aug 22, 2013 5:24 PM,  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > Le 22.08.2013 15:22, 郭靖 a écrit :
> 
> >
> 
> >> 在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒，Ralf Mardorf写道：
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> > I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> > but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> More information is needed to comment this.
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> > is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> available.
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> > mc looks fine and I may tried out.
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> on UNIX like systems.
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> > If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?
> 
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> 
> >>> I don't know.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> Debian:
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> >>>
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> >>> https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
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> >>>
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> >>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> Arch:
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> >>>
> 
> >>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
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> >>>
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> >>> http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> > And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> > channels?
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>
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> >>>
> 
> >>> You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> 
> >>> Regards,
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> Ralf
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>
> 
> >>
> 
> >> I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file 
> >> manager.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge
> 
> >> on Linux, hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS?
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > Yes, and you can even browse the web if you want: you just need a ncurse 
> > client to do that.
> 
> >
> 
> > To find one that will suit your needs, I can only give an advice: run 
> > aptitude, install debtags, then open a debtab consultation ( in views ), go 
> > to protocol->irc tree, and search for one which have the debtab 
> > interface::commandline or interface::text-mode.
> 
> 
> >
> 
> > Aptitude with debtags is my favorite method to search for softwares which 
> > would fit my needs: it can filter stuff by many things, like programming 
> > language, interface (x11, ncurses...), library (gtk, qt), desktop 
> > environment... very useful when you try to keep a system as lightweight as 
> > possible (I avoid stuff related to DE, and try to avoid any thing with many 
> > dependencies, like python softwares usually.)
> 
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> 
> Hello,
> 
> I recommend you install debian with a GUI at firs

Re: Missing Makefile

[Kailash]

On Thursday 22 August 2013 09:32 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/22/2013 1:50 AM, Kailash wrote:
>> On Monday 05 August 2013 08:10 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 8/4/2013 5:22 PM, Tom H wrote:
 On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:11:16 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
   > On 8/3/2013 10:30 AM, Tom H wrote:
   >>
   >> Do the following four symlinks exist on your box
   >> (for 3.2 of course).
   >>
   >> /lib/modules/3.10-1-amd64/build ->
   >> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-amd64
   >>
   >> /lib/modules/3.10-1-amd64/source ->
   >> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-common
   >>
   >> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-amd64/scripts ->
   >> /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-3.10/scripts
   >>
   >> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-common/scripts ->
   >> /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-3.10/scripts
   >
   > Yes, all of the symlinks are there. Any other ideas?

 None given that the only clue is "I can't run make" and "everything
 else
 is OK."

 Your broken setup might be fixed by re-installing linux-headers and
 linux-kbuild.


>>>
>>> Thanks, but I've already done that twice.  It's got me.
>>>
>>> Guess I'm going to have to just dump this system and start from scratch.
>>>   Fortunately, it's only a test system I built to test the new
>>> module(s).
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> Reinstalling the system won't help.
>>
>> I used packages.debian.org to figure this out and followed the solution
>> listed here:
>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=62877&sid=fa12a2b8afd8827ef9ce71e8826d049f&start=15
>>
>>
>> Have you installed the package dkms?
>>
>> This in turn should install the package linux-kbuild-3.2 which includes
>> the needed scripts.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Kailash
>>
>>
> 
> Thanks, Kailash, but I've already seen that (and several other)
> solutions.  linux-kbuild-3.2 is installed.  I tried it with dkms
> installed also, with no change.
> 
> Meanwhile, since we haven't been able to get this working, we may have
> to do it under Windows.   And I hate windows, but we have to get this
> working.  The old OS/2 system is on it's last legs.
> 
> 
Hi Jerry,

If you don't mind, I'd like to look at some things if you're still up
for it. I'll try and do a repro on my end.

Could you post the contents of your sources.list file?

Also could you show a listing of the relevant packages installed?

Thanks,
Kailash


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Re: openvpn question

[Gregory Nowak]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 04:16:13PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > The public address assigned to the laptop would actualy be
> > configured on the VPS,
> 
> Hmm...  No.  Sorry.  Doesn't make sense.  The public address assigned
> to the laptop would probably be yet another private address behind a
> NAT somewhere.

Ok, some confusion here it seems. Both you and I are right in that the
laptop's public address is assigned to the VPS, and is also in reality
yet another private address behind a NAT somewhere like you said. I'll
explain below, since I do in fact have this going as I mentioned in my
latest post to the VPS crashing thread.

I wrote> 
> > and the VPS would be doing NAT between the private address of the
> > laptop, and the public address assigned to the laptop, but
> > configured on the VPS itself.
> 
> If you understand this then please keep going.  But the description
> doesn't make sense to me.

I read carefully what I wrote above, and I can't think of a way to
make it any clearer. Let me explain how I have this going. On the VPS,
eth0:0 is configured with the laptop's public address. Just to be
clear, the public address here is the one machines on the internet
send traffic to, and the one which traffic from the laptop is coming
from as far as the rest of the internet is concerned. In addition to
this, I have iptables rules using the nat table, which take traffic
which has the laptop's public address as destination, and do DNAT on
it, changing the destination address to be the laptop's private
address. I also have a rule doing the reverse. This rule takes
packets with the laptop's private address as source, and does SNAT on
them, changing the source address to be the laptop's public address,
and sends them out eth0. Again, I do have this functioning. So,
whereas before I was writing this based on theory, I can assure you it
does actually work in practice.

I wrote
> 
> > In a nutshell, the laptop would have a private address assigned to
> > it, but all traffic to and from the laptop would actually be using
> > the public address assigned to it, which itself would be configured
> > on the VPS.
> 
> One of the often hit traps is that people often think, start up DHCP
> on the mobile client.  Then start up the VPN.  Then change the
> routing so that 100% of all traffic goes through the VPN.  Sounds
> great.  Except that it can't work.  The mobile device needs to
> transport the VPN traffic over the non-VPN routed network.  And the
> mobile client needs to have DHCP available which will periodically
> need to interact with the local dhcp server and renew its leases.

Correct. The notion of routing all traffic through the VPN is a
misnomer. It seems you're taking what I said to literally.

> 
>   Routing all client traffic (including web-traffic) through the VPN
>   http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#redirect
> 
> I would consider setting up proxy arp on the server.  Set it up to
> proxy for the IP address but do not configure it to own the IP
> address.  Here is a reference.
> 
>   Proxy ARP
>   http://shorewall.net/ProxyARP.htm
> 

Ok, proxy arp as I understand it requires that network devices have a
MAC address. Since I didn't assign a MAC address to the tun0 device in
the openvpn config, it wouldn't work. Yes, I could assign the tun
device a MAC address if I wanted to, I know. The other part of this is
that proxying arp just tells the rest of the network on what given
interface a particular machine can be reached. I
think Zenaan and I have established sufficiently in this thread that I
can't simply give the laptop side a public address through openvpn
directly, and expect it to just work. So that still leaves the laptop
with using a private address to go through the openvpn gateway. So, I
still need NAT, and that's how I have things working now.

> I read back but didn't see anywhere that you said what services you
> wanted.  "All" I suppose.

I did indicate that I didn't want the VPS to do any
firewalling. Zenaan's response to this was that for it to work, the
VPS will need to do firewalling. This is correct of course. Perhaps if I would 
have stated I
don't want the VPS to do any port blocking for the laptop's public
address, it would have been more clear.

Hope this makes more sense now.

Greg


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Re: deb-multimedia repository

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:04:01 -0400
Doug  wrote:

> My complaint is with Debian's politics: if it's not FOSS, you can't
> have it.

That's just wrong.  Why on Earth would there be a Non-Free repository
otherwise?  I have plenty of non-free software on my Debian Sid.

See here:

...where it says:
" All packages that are included in the official Debian distribution
are free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. This assures
free use and redistribution of the packages and their complete source
code. The official Debian distribution is what is contained in the main
section of the Debian archive.

As a service to our users, we also provide packages in separate
sections that cannot be included in the main distribution due to either
a restrictive license or legal issues. They include:

Contrib
Packages in this area are freely licensed by the copyright holder
but depend on other software that is not free. 

Non-Free
Packages in this area have some onerous license condition
restricting use or redistribution of the software."

Add the correct repo and Bob's your uncle.

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Re: Goran Gligoric RPM

[Ralf Mardorf]

Ein Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:59:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf 
 schrieb:

Ein Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:51:21 -0400, Doug  schrieb:

On 08/22/2013 06:50 PM, Goran Gligoric wrote:
> > Dear Sir or Madam,
> >  > I have problem to download RPM Red hat program Manager I am 
using debian

> > 7 32bit to install fkash player and java I have so problem
> > to find and install I try to use your help but is totaly usless also to
> > use tar.gz file is like imposible mision I am still like debian I 
very new

> > in linux I am try in ubuntu is no problem but I want to stay in debian
> > if can help me to instal rpm and tar.gz file formats in debian I try
> > very hard
> > I am reaky need help also i poot coomand on terminal apt-get flash
> > player-nonefree is notworking is so dificult, could you please > 
> help me thanks >  > Kind Regards,

> >  > Goran Gligoric
>
> As a new-to-Linux person, you are looking to do what most folks who 
> have been using Linux for years would not attempt. I have been 
around

> Linux for a number of years, and I have on occasion tried the "cross-
> install" routine, and had no luck with it. I won't tell you it 
can't be done,

> but I would strongly recommend you to find a distro that has the
> programs you want to use, or find a program in Debian that will do 
> *almost* what you want to do, and put up with it. > However: a 
program called alien (I don't know if that is available on Debian,

> or that's something else you have to go round the corner to
> get) is supposed to make RPMs available to deb systems, and vice 
versa. > Here's an URL that says it worked for him:
> 
http://www.everyjoe.com/2005/11/02/technology/howto-install-an-rpm-package-on-a-debian-box/
> (Found by Google.) What's likely to happen is that there will be > 
dependencies (libraries, usually) that are not found on Debian. Then, 
> if you're

> really determined, you can go look for them and install them, perhaps
> also with alien. You can see what a can of worms you are opening up!
>
> BTW: The Linux version of FlashPlayer is not going to be updated by Adobe,
> but some distros still seem to have it available--PCLinuxOs, I > 
believe is one. I think most distros will have Java. Obviously RedHat 
> has these

> programs you are looking for--why not download a live DVD and try it out?

Press Alt + F2 and type

xterm

then enter, in this so called terminal continue with

su

enter, or if su shopuldn't work

sudo -i

continue with

apt-get update

apt-get install synaptic
synaptic

Synaptic is a program that does allow you to search for software and 
to install software. Debnian doesn't use RPM, but DEB packages. 
tar.gz files usually contain source code, there are different ways to 
build and install something from source, one way that often does work 
for DEB and RPM based distros is this way:


tar xzvf name_of_the_tar_gz.tar.gz
cd name_of_the_tar_gz
./configure
make
checkinstall
su
or if su shouldn't work
sudo -i

dpkg -i *.deb

but you need to take care to full the dependencies, so for a beginner 
this could be hard to do. 


JFTR dpkg -i does only work for DEB, for RPM you have to use another 
command. At leasst checkinstall has to be installed by synaptic, before 
it's available. ./configure and make aren't always the steps to compile. 




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Re: deb-multimedia repository

[Doug]

On 08/22/2013 07:41 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> Bob Proulx wrote:
>>> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Did you ever need libdvdcss(2)?
>>>
>>> Only when playing DVDs.  Or are you are asking if I ever *need* to
>>> play a DVD?
>>
>> This exchange perfectly illustrates why I took Debian off my computer
>> two-plus years ago.
> 
> What software distribution did you move to that includes the ability
> to play DVDs by default?  Please tell us.
> 
> Bob
> 
I think you can do it in Mint, and also Korora.  PCLOS has the
necessary files and libs in the repo, so you can load them right away if
you want to play DVDs. (I'm running PCLOS, but if I want to watch movies
or listen to music, I have a TV for the former, and a hi-fi set for the
latter.)
(I do listen to some YouTube music, of course, on the computer, but I
don't need anything special to do that.)

My complaint is with Debian's politics: if it's not FOSS, you can't have
it.

--doug

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Re: Goran Gligoric RPM

[Ralf Mardorf]

Ein Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:51:21 -0400, Doug  schrieb:
On 08/22/2013 06:50 PM, Goran Gligoric wrote:

> Dear Sir or Madam,
>  > I have problem to download RPM Red hat program Manager I am using debian
> 7 32bit to install fkash player and java I have so problem
> to find and install I try to use your help but is totaly usless also to
> use tar.gz file is like imposible mision I am still like debian I very new
> in linux I am try in ubuntu is no problem but I want to stay in debian
> if can help me to instal rpm and tar.gz file formats in debian I try
> very hard
> I am reaky need help also i poot coomand on terminal apt-get flash
> player-nonefree is notworking is so dificult, could you please > 
help me thanks >  > Kind Regards,

>  > Goran Gligoric

As a new-to-Linux person, you are looking to do what most folks who 
have been using Linux for years would not attempt. I have been around

Linux for a number of years, and I have on occasion tried the "cross-
install" routine, and had no luck with it. I won't tell you it can't be done,
but I would strongly recommend you to find a distro that has the
programs you want to use, or find a program in Debian that will do 
*almost* what you want to do, and put up with it. 
However: a program called alien (I don't know if that is available on Debian,

or that's something else you have to go round the corner to
get) is supposed to make RPMs available to deb systems, and vice versa. 
Here's an URL that says it worked for him:

http://www.everyjoe.com/2005/11/02/technology/howto-install-an-rpm-package-on-a-debian-box/
(Found by Google.) What's likely to happen is that there will be 
dependencies (libraries, usually) that are not found on Debian. Then, 
if you're

really determined, you can go look for them and install them, perhaps
also with alien. You can see what a can of worms you are opening up!

BTW: The Linux version of FlashPlayer is not going to be updated by Adobe,
but some distros still seem to have it available--PCLinuxOs, I 
believe is one. I think most distros will have Java. Obviously RedHat 
has these

programs you are looking for--why not download a live DVD and try it out?


Press Alt + F2 and type

xterm

then enter, in this so called terminal continue with

su

enter, or if su shopuldn't work

sudo -i

continue with

apt-get update

apt-get install synaptic
synaptic

Synaptic is a program that does allow you to search for software and to 
install software. Debnian doesn't use RPM, but DEB packages. 
tar.gz files usually contain source code, there are different ways to 
build and install something from source, one way that often does work 
for DEB and RPM based distros is this way:


tar xzvf name_of_the_tar_gz.tar.gz
cd name_of_the_tar_gz
./configure
make
checkinstall
su
or if su shouldn't work
sudo -i

dpkg -i *.deb

but you need to take care to full the dependencies, so for a beginner 
this could be hard to do. 




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Re: Goran Gligoric RPM

[Doug]

On 08/22/2013 06:50 PM, Goran Gligoric wrote:
> Dear Sir or Madam,
>  
> I have problem to download RPM Red hat program Manager I am using debian
> 7 32bit to install fkash player and java I have so problem
> to find and install I try to use your help but is totaly usless also to
> use tar.gz file is like imposible mision I am still like debian I very new
> in linux I am try in ubuntu is no problem but I want to stay in debian
> if can help me to instal rpm and tar.gz file formats in debian I try
> very hard
> I am reaky need help also i poot coomand on terminal apt-get flash
> player-nonefree is notworking is so dificult, could you please 
> help me thanks 
>  
> Kind Regards,
>  
> Goran Gligoric

As a new-to-Linux person, you are looking to do what most folks who have been 
using Linux for years would not attempt. I have been around
Linux for a number of years, and I have on occasion tried the "cross-
install" routine, and had no luck with it. I won't tell you it can't be done,
but I would strongly recommend you to find a distro that has the
programs you want to use, or find a program in Debian that will do 
*almost* what you want to do, and put up with it.
However: a program called alien (I don't know if that is available on Debian,
or that's something else you have to go round the corner to
get) is supposed to make RPMs available to deb systems, and vice versa.
Here's an URL that says it worked for him:
http://www.everyjoe.com/2005/11/02/technology/howto-install-an-rpm-package-on-a-debian-box/
(Found by Google.) What's likely to happen is that there will be dependencies 
(libraries, usually) that are not found on Debian. Then, if you're
really determined, you can go look for them and install them, perhaps
also with alien. You can see what a can of worms you are opening up!

BTW: The Linux version of FlashPlayer is not going to be updated by Adobe,
but some distros still seem to have it available--PCLinuxOs, I believe is 
one. I think most distros will have Java. Obviously RedHat has these
programs you are looking for--why not download a live DVD and try it out?

Whatever you decide, good luck!

--doug

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Re: deb-multimedia repository

[Bob Proulx]

Doug wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >> Did you ever need libdvdcss(2)?
> > 
> > Only when playing DVDs.  Or are you are asking if I ever *need* to
> > play a DVD?
>
> This exchange perfectly illustrates why I took Debian off my computer
> two-plus years ago.

What software distribution did you move to that includes the ability
to play DVDs by default?  Please tell us.

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Re: deb-multimedia repository

[Doug]

On 08/22/2013 06:09 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 15:44 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
>>> Chris Bannister wrote:
 That is a 3rd party repository and not supported by Debian, if you have
 any issues with that site or packages from that site please take it up
 with them.
>>>
>>> Specifically for libdvdcss2 do you have any other alternative?
>>
>> This alone shouldn't cause any issue ;).
> 
> Right.  Because it isn't in Debian. :-)  Or perhaps :-( about the
> general state of affairs.  Politics.
> 
>> Did you ever need libdvdcss(2)?
> 
> Only when playing DVDs.  Or are you are asking if I ever *need* to
> play a DVD?
> 
> Bob
> 
This exchange perfectly illustrates why I took Debian off my computer
two-plus years ago.

--doug

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Goran Gligoric RPM

[Goran Gligoric]

Dear Sir or Madam,

I have problem to download RPM Red hat program Manager I am using debian 7 
32bit to install fkash player and java I have so problem
to find and install I try to use your help but is totaly usless also to use 
tar.gz file is like imposible mision I am still like debian I very new
in linux I am try in ubuntu is no problem but I want to stay in debian if can 
help me to instal rpm and tar.gz file formats in debian I try very hard
I am reaky need help also i poot coomand on terminal apt-get flash 
player-nonefree is notworking is so dificult, could you please 
help me thanks 

Kind Regards,

Goran Gligoric

Re: deb-multimedia repository

[Bob Proulx]

Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > Did you ever need libdvdcss(2)?
> > 
> > Only when playing DVDs.  Or are you are asking if I ever *need* to
> > play a DVD?
> 
> IIRC when I played borrowed DVDs from a video rental store I _guess_ it
> wasn't needed. I'm not absolutely sure, perhaps I'm mistaken.

Perhaps you had DeCSS installed instead?  (shrug)

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss

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Re: deb-multimedia repository

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 16:09 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 15:44 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > > Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > > That is a 3rd party repository and not supported by Debian, if you have
> > > > any issues with that site or packages from that site please take it up
> > > > with them.
> > > 
> > > Specifically for libdvdcss2 do you have any other alternative?
> > 
> > This alone shouldn't cause any issue ;).
> 
> Right.  Because it isn't in Debian. :-)  Or perhaps :-( about the
> general state of affairs.  Politics.
> 
> > Did you ever need libdvdcss(2)?
> 
> Only when playing DVDs.  Or are you are asking if I ever *need* to
> play a DVD?

IIRC when I played borrowed DVDs from a video rental store I _guess_ it
wasn't needed. I'm not absolutely sure, perhaps I'm mistaken.



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Re: openvpn question

[Bob Proulx]

Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Yes. So from all this, what I said still stands. The laptop would get
> a private address from the VPN.

Yes.

> The public address assigned to the laptop would actualy be
> configured on the VPS,

Hmm...  No.  Sorry.  Doesn't make sense.  The public address assigned
to the laptop would probably be yet another private address behind a
NAT somewhere.

> and the VPS would be doing NAT between the private address of the
> laptop, and the public address assigned to the laptop, but
> configured on the VPS itself.

If you understand this then please keep going.  But the description
doesn't make sense to me.

> In a nutshell, the laptop would have a private address assigned to
> it, but all traffic to and from the laptop would actually be using
> the public address assigned to it, which itself would be configured
> on the VPS.

One of the often hit traps is that people often think, start up DHCP
on the mobile client.  Then start up the VPN.  Then change the
routing so that 100% of all traffic goes through the VPN.  Sounds
great.  Except that it can't work.  The mobile device needs to
transport the VPN traffic over the non-VPN routed network.  And the
mobile client needs to have DHCP available which will periodically
need to interact with the local dhcp server and renew its leases.

  Routing all client traffic (including web-traffic) through the VPN
  http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#redirect

I would consider setting up proxy arp on the server.  Set it up to
proxy for the IP address but do not configure it to own the IP
address.  Here is a reference.

  Proxy ARP
  http://shorewall.net/ProxyARP.htm

I read back but didn't see anywhere that you said what services you
wanted.  "All" I suppose.  But if it were just one or two such as a
web service then I would simply proxy that one service.  For example
on the server you could set up Apache with a proxy configuration and
have it use the private vpn address of the mobile client.

# Transparently proxy the pages.
ProxyRequests Off
RewriteEngine On

Order deny,allow
Allow from all

ProxyPass/foo http://10.20.30.40/foo
ProxyPassReverse /foo http://10.20.30.40/foo

Then the world knows about your server.  Your server knows about your
vpn address of your mobile client.  Your server passes web data back
and forth between.  Works well.  I use this all of the time.  (But not
to my mobile devices.  To other servers behind the main server.  But
it is the same thing.)

Bob


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Re: deb-multimedia repository

[Bob Proulx]

Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 15:44 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > That is a 3rd party repository and not supported by Debian, if you have
> > > any issues with that site or packages from that site please take it up
> > > with them.
> > 
> > Specifically for libdvdcss2 do you have any other alternative?
> 
> This alone shouldn't cause any issue ;).

Right.  Because it isn't in Debian. :-)  Or perhaps :-( about the
general state of affairs.  Politics.

> Did you ever need libdvdcss(2)?

Only when playing DVDs.  Or are you are asking if I ever *need* to
play a DVD?

Bob


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Re: Slide viewer?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Bob Proulx wrote:

Hendrik Boom wrote:
Preferably light-weight, preferably not dragging in huge KDE or gnome 
libraries, and versatile.  Yes, I know, choose any two...

...
So, any recommendations?


I keep coming back to 'feh'.



yes, I am a 'feh' 'fehn' also.

Hugo


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Re: deb-multimedia repository

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 15:44 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> > François Patte wrote:
> > > I tried to install libdvdcss2 from this repository and followed a tuto
> > > explaining that:
> > > ...
> > > deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org sid main non-free
> > 
> > That is a 3rd party repository and not supported by Debian, if you have
> > any issues with that site or packages from that site please take it up
> > with them.
> 
> Specifically for libdvdcss2 do you have any other alternative?

This alone shouldn't cause any issue ;). Did you ever need libdvdcss(2)?



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Re: Slide viewer?

[Bob Proulx]

Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Preferably light-weight, preferably not dragging in huge KDE or gnome 
> libraries, and versatile.  Yes, I know, choose any two...
> ...
> So, any recommendations?

I keep coming back to 'feh'.

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Re: deb-multimedia repository

[Bob Proulx]

Chris Bannister wrote:
> François Patte wrote:
> > I tried to install libdvdcss2 from this repository and followed a tuto
> > explaining that:
> > ...
> > deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org sid main non-free
> 
> That is a 3rd party repository and not supported by Debian, if you have
> any issues with that site or packages from that site please take it up
> with them.

Specifically for libdvdcss2 do you have any other alternative?

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Debian kernel runs 4 degrees cooler than my own

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

Debian's linux-image-3.10-2-amd64 runs 4 degrees cooler than my own 
kernel. Same workload.


Can anybody figure the specifics for that?

Here is a pastebin of a diff file that shows the 2 .configs side by 
side. Left side is Debian's right side is mine. Debian's .config was 
streamlined to fit my system.


http://pastebin.com/s7TSWy71

Hugo


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VMware workstation 9 and Sid

[Dale Harris]

So I had VMware Workstation 9 working just fine with the 3.10 kernels
in SID until a recent upgrade, with the patches provided at:

http://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2013/07/nvidia-30488-vmware-workstation-and.html

Now after an upgrade vmware mysteriously aborts on startup.   So far
I've tried to recompile the VMware modules with the gcc 4.7.3 which
appears to be the compiler the kernel was compiled with.

Linux version 3.10-2-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc
version 4.7.3 (Debian 4.7.3-6) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.10.7-1 (2013-08-17)

I wanted to try using an older version of libc6, but one doesn't
appear to be available.  Does anyone have any suggestions?


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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

[Catalin Soare]

On Aug 22, 2013 5:24 PM,  wrote:
>
>
>
> Le 22.08.2013 15:22, 郭靖 a écrit :
>
>> 在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒，Ralf Mardorf写道：
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
>>>
>>> > I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
>>>
>>> > but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More information is needed to comment this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
>>>
>>> available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > mc looks fine and I may tried out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
>>>
>>> mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
>>>
>>> is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
>>>
>>> vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
>>>
>>> the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
>>>
>>> on UNIX like systems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
>>>
>>> distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
>>>
>>> Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
>>>
>>> build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
>>>
>>> system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
>>>
>>> packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
>>>
>>> headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
>>>
>>> much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
>>>
>>> of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
>>>
>>> using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
>>>
>>> into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Debian:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
>>>
>>> https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Arch:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
>>>
>>> http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
>>>
>>> > channels?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ralf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file
manager.
>>
>> Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge
>> on Linux, hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so.
>>
>> BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS?
>
>
> Yes, and you can even browse the web if you want: you just need a ncurse
client to do that.
>
> To find one that will suit your needs, I can only give an advice: run
aptitude, install debtags, then open a debtab consultation ( in views ), go
to protocol->irc tree, and search for one which have the debtab
interface::commandline or interface::text-mode.
>
> Aptitude with debtags is my favorite method to search for softwares which
would fit my needs: it can filter stuff by many things, like programming
language, interface (x11, ncurses...), library (gtk, qt), desktop
environment... very useful when you try to keep a system as lightweight as
possible (I avoid stuff related to DE, and try to avoid any thing with many
dependencies, like python softwares usually.)
>
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Hello,

I recommend you install debian with a GUI at first, because things will get
messy and hard to do since (no offense here) you have no experience with
Linux. Just select a desktop environment when you are prompted for the
server selection previously mentioned.

The reason for that is: if you want to learn Linux commands, you need a
terminal emulator. That can be a Gnome-Terminal, Konsole (if you chose
KDE), xterm or tens more. In the mean time, you will find it more
confortable to learn from a GUI.

Tip: for console browsers, you can try "apt-get install links" or lynx.
They are so great, both of them.

You might want to try an introductory guide to Linux to get you started
using it. I have.. many times :-)

Good luck and exercise your google-fu!

Re: OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Doug]

On 08/22/2013 01:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 19:04 +0200, François Patte wrote:
>> As for Latin, it is better to call it an ancient language, it is still
>> the official language in Vatican.
> 
> *rofl* my plan was to reply and to ask you, if it's their official
> language, than why don't they provide their homepage in Latin.
> 
> The plan miserably failed.
> 
> http://www.vatican.va/latin/latin_index.html
> 
> English Wiki: Officiallanguage Latin
> German  Wiki: Amtssprache Italienisch (de facto), Latein
> 
> I guess I don't need to translate the German Wiki.
> 
> I would call Latin a dead language too.
> 
> 
"Official" proclamations by the Pope are written in Latin.
Some religious services are conducted in Latin, particularly
very important ones, like the coronation or funeral of a Pope.
In practice, the language of the Vatican is Italian.

--doug

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Building initrd for install Wheezy on pc without PAE

[Antispammbox-debian]

Hi all


Can create an initrd to install Wheezy, that  not control if the CPU is with
PAE  option?


Thanks


Regards



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Kate plugins

[Gary Roach]

Hi all,

I need to install Python and Django plugins for Kate. I downloaded a 
file from the KDE git repository. It installed a directory tree of files 
in my home directory. I transfered the directory tree (Kate-plugins) to 
usr/share/apps as suggested in the documentation.The plugin list in Kate 
has not changed from its default values.I'm using Debian Wheezy.

Can anyone help.

Confused

Gary R.


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Re: icedove configuration problem

[staticsafe]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 05:30:43PM +0200, François Patte wrote:
> 
> "properly"? are you joking? As far as I can see "properly" means
> "according to the wishes of mozilla"... and you want that every guy in
> charge of the internet services of a company will waste his time to
> configure the mail servers in order to fullfill: "The goal of
> autoconfiguration is to make it very easy for users to configure the
> connection of Thunderbird to their email servers."
> 
> It seems to be funny or stupid!
> 
> Is it so difficult to fill a few lines with the internet address of a
> mail server, name and login id?
> 
> And if any user make a mistake? What is the problem? It doesn't work! Is
> it so dangerous!
> 
> So called "simplifications" are often very complicated and become the
> hell! Microsoft is the best example: I know only a few people with a
> windows computer correctly configured and fullfilling the wishes of its
> user
> 
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To be clear, this procedure *does not* require modification of your mail
server's configuration. It requires a XML file at
autoconfig.example.com/mail/config-v1.1.xml with the correct information
for your mail server (IMAP and SMTP).

An example - http://autoconfig.staticsafe.ca/mail/config-v1.1.xml

I looked into this recently because a client was looking for
autoconfiguration, I am happy to say it works quite nicely.

According to Mozilla's wiki, Evolution, Kmail and Kontact use the same
system as well.

The ideal system for autoconfiguration would be the usage of SRV records
in DNS, and I hear there is some work in that area already.
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Re: Re: icedove configuration problem

[Melvin Call]

> > The other alternative, especially if you find you're setting up Icedove
> > regularly, is to configure your mail server properly:
> > 
> >   
> > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration#Configuration_server_at_ISP
> > 
> 
> "properly"? are you joking? As far as I can see "properly" means
> "according to the wishes of mozilla"... and you want that every guy in
> charge of the internet services of a company will waste his time to
> configure the mail servers in order to fullfill: "The goal of
> autoconfiguration is to make it very easy for users to configure the
> connection of Thunderbird to their email servers."
> 
> It seems to be funny or stupid!

I agree. As a user I should not have to suffer through my client
application engaging in unwanted behavior that ultimately fails more
often than not because someone beyond my span of control didn't do
something the developers of the application felt should have been done.

On top of that, any sane user should consider an application that
initiates communication with external sources, without permission, as a
virus. Do not violate my privacy by calling home without giving me the
courtesy of allowing it or not. That's just plain rude.

> 
> Is it so difficult to fill a few lines with the internet address of a
> mail server, name and login id?
> 
> And if any user make a mistake? What is the problem? It doesn't work! Is
> it so dangerous!
> 
> So called "simplifications" are often very complicated and become the
> hell! Microsoft is the best example: I know only a few people with a
> windows computer correctly configured and fullfilling the wishes of its
> user

Excellent point. Several years ago I made the mistake of thinking that
Microsoft certification would be an investment in my IT future.
Completing the MCSE requirements only confirmed just how bad that OS
really is, and a lot of the horror comes from their apps taking the
position of knowing what you want and how to accomplish it better than
you do. Just try setting up a DNS server on their server system and you
will see what I mean. It can be done manually, but you have to be a
magician to find any decent howto documentation. That's the Microsoft
way, assume the user is incompetent. Mozilla seems to be headed in the
same direction. That's just plain insulting.


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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

[Chris Davies]

Adam J. Gamble  wrote:
> Fixed! Was same bug as in 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720442#10

Ah!
Chris


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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

[Chris Davies]

Adam J. Gamble  wrote:
> Appologies not 'built-in' so to speak, just no additional drives. 
> Actually as luck would have it, my 2TB Western Digital just arrived :)

> Assume its an issue with Debian install /finding/ disks to partition 
> then? BIOS can see both, so no problem there. What can I do to debug? 
> Does the debian testing version I've chosen seem a reasonable choice 
> (compatability-wise)?

I didn't have any problems with Debian (squeeze) finding my three
drives. I find it hard to believe that SATA device detection would have
changed for the worse between squeeze and wheezy.

Personally I always install from the net stable version and use
the Internet to get my latest updates. See the right-hand set of
selections at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

Chris


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Re: OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 19:04 +0200, François Patte wrote:
> As for Latin, it is better to call it an ancient language, it is still
> the official language in Vatican.

*rofl* my plan was to reply and to ask you, if it's their official
language, than why don't they provide their homepage in Latin.

The plan miserably failed.

http://www.vatican.va/latin/latin_index.html

English Wiki: Officiallanguage Latin
German  Wiki: Amtssprache Italienisch (de facto), Latein

I guess I don't need to translate the German Wiki.

I would call Latin a dead language too.


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Re: OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[François Patte]

Le 22/08/2013 17:56, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:51:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 05:10:05PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
 I have the misfortune of never having learned Latin.
>>>
>>> If you've ever seen the "graffiti scene" in 'The Life of Brian' then
>>> you may use a word other than misfortune. :)
>>
>> As I already pointed out, this is true. Btw. this movie scene does show
>> how Latin does work. Salve vocative et ablative and all the other nice
>> stuff!
> 
> If you like all that, try Sanskrit.  It has eight cases, not just six, 
> three numbers, not just singular and plural, and more verb tenses than 
> you can shape a stick at.  And Sanskrit (from some eras, anyway) has 
> German beat for compound words!
> 
> And as for being a dead language (no native speakers, used as a second 
> language for communication), its important literature was written when it 
> was already dead. 

Quite wrong! Sanskrit seems to be an "artificial" language: we do not
know, until now, if it was the mother tongue of a population... So the
word "dead" is not usable.

As for Latin, it is better to call it an ancient language, it is still
the official language in Vatican.

What to say of Greek?


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Re: wireless problem

[Paul Cartwright]

On 08/22/2013 12:24 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> As to your original: I usually purge network-manager and install
>> > wicd.
> I have just said exactly that on another mailing list!!
>
> Lisi
yes, also +1.. I have  installed wicd on my laptop a number of times..
always worked.

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FERIS - rewolucja w ogrzewaniu pomieszczeń

[C.D.N.]

FERIS - rewolucja w ogrzewaniu pomieszczeń

Czy ta wiadomość jest wyświetlana poprawnie? Zobacz ją w przeglądarce ( 
http://alotar.xaa.pl/feris.co/wordpress?sendpress=eyJpZCI6IjMyMDYxMiIsInJlcG9ydCI6IjE5NSIsInVybElEIjoiMTM5IiwidmlldyI6ImxpbmsifQ
 ).

Zgodnie z przepisami prawnymi, chcemy zapytać Państwa o zgodę, na otrzymanie 
informacji w postaci linków kierujących do strony innowacyjnego systemu 
grzewczego. Jeśli interesuje Państwa albo Państwa znajomych tematyka 
nowoczesnego systemu FERIS, prosimy o mail zwrotny z napisem TAK na adres 
dystrybu...@cdnbusinessgroup.pl

Zgodnie z Ustawą z dnia 18.07.2002 roku o świadczeniu usług drogą elektroniczną 
(Dz. U. 144 poz. 1204) w celu przesłania informacji handlowej wymagana jest 
zgoda odbiorcy. Niniejsza korespondencja ma charakter informacyjny i nie 
stanowi oferty handlowej.

Nie chcesz już otrzymywać naszych wiadomości? Możesz wypisać się ( 
http://alotar.xaa.pl/feris.co/wordpress?sendpress=eyJpZCI6IjMyMDYxMiIsInJlcG9ydCI6IjE5NSIsInVybElEIjoiMCIsInZpZXciOiJtYW5hZ2UiLCJsaXN0SUQiOiIxOTQiLCJhY3Rpb24iOiJ1bnN1YnNjcmliZSJ9
 ) w każdej chwili.

Re: Slide viewer?

[Kent West]

On 08/22/2013 11:05 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

Now that pornview has disappeared from Jessie (and contrary to popular
innuendo, it didn't require the images it displayed to be pornographic),
can anyone with some experience suggest a replacement slide viewer?

Preferably light-weight, preferably not dragging in huge KDE or gnome
libraries, and versatile.  Yes, I know, choose any two...

I can google and get lists of viewers, such as http://
blends.alioth.debian.org/imaging/tasks/imageviewer, but that doesn't give
me much insight from actual use.

So, any recommendations?

-- hendrik



I like geeqie pretty well; it doesn't do video like pornview did a few 
versions before it died. (And yes, that was an unfortunate name; a great 
program, but you really didn't want its name on your work computer or 
your laptop you let you mom use while she's in the hospital)



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Re: wireless problem

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 22 August 2013 06:34:50 Bob Proulx wrote:
> As to your original: I usually purge network-manager and install
> wicd.

I have just said exactly that on another mailing list!!

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Re: OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 15:56 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > And Sanskrit (from some eras, anyway) has German beat for compound
> > words!
> 
> :D
> 
> I own a dust covered Bhagavad-Gītā written in Sanskrit, with a word by
> word translation followed by an interpretation (not called
> "interpretation", but "explanation" in that book, some master offers the
> truth :D). For this book it seems to be different, a few words result in
> pages of German text.^
 A FEW SHORT WORDS ^




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Re: OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 15:56 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> And Sanskrit (from some eras, anyway) has German beat for compound
> words!

:D

I own a dust covered Bhagavad-Gītā written in Sanskrit, with a word by
word translation followed by an interpretation (not called
"interpretation", but "explanation" in that book, some master offers the
truth :D). For this book it seems to be different, a few words result in
pages of German text.



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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Qua, 21 Ago 2013, Doug wrote:

The only time I have run into those odd-ball bar characters--the
bar is called a "macron"--is in schoolboy Latin, where the Romans
never heard of them! And the Latin used in Catholic Church liturgies
never used the macrons either. Only Latin teachers, to make the
difficult even more so!


And Latvian, Lithuanian, Hawaiian, romanizations of Chinese, Japanese,  
Arabic, etc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macron



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Slide viewer?

[Hendrik Boom]

Now that pornview has disappeared from Jessie (and contrary to popular 
innuendo, it didn't require the images it displayed to be pornographic), 
can anyone with some experience suggest a replacement slide viewer?

Preferably light-weight, preferably not dragging in huge KDE or gnome 
libraries, and versatile.  Yes, I know, choose any two...

I can google and get lists of viewers, such as http://
blends.alioth.debian.org/imaging/tasks/imageviewer, but that doesn't give 
me much insight from actual use.

So, any recommendations?

-- hendrik


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Re: Missing Makefile

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 8/22/2013 1:50 AM, Kailash wrote:

On Monday 05 August 2013 08:10 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 8/4/2013 5:22 PM, Tom H wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:11:16 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
  > On 8/3/2013 10:30 AM, Tom H wrote:
  >>
  >> Do the following four symlinks exist on your box
  >> (for 3.2 of course).
  >>
  >> /lib/modules/3.10-1-amd64/build ->
  >> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-amd64
  >>
  >> /lib/modules/3.10-1-amd64/source ->
  >> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-common
  >>
  >> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-amd64/scripts ->
  >> /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-3.10/scripts
  >>
  >> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-1-common/scripts ->
  >> /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-3.10/scripts
  >
  > Yes, all of the symlinks are there. Any other ideas?

None given that the only clue is "I can't run make" and "everything else
is OK."

Your broken setup might be fixed by re-installing linux-headers and
linux-kbuild.




Thanks, but I've already done that twice.  It's got me.

Guess I'm going to have to just dump this system and start from scratch.
  Fortunately, it's only a test system I built to test the new module(s).



Hi Jerry,

Reinstalling the system won't help.

I used packages.debian.org to figure this out and followed the solution
listed here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=62877&sid=fa12a2b8afd8827ef9ce71e8826d049f&start=15

Have you installed the package dkms?

This in turn should install the package linux-kbuild-3.2 which includes
the needed scripts.

Sincerely,
Kailash




Thanks, Kailash, but I've already seen that (and several other) 
solutions.  linux-kbuild-3.2 is installed.  I tried it with dkms 
installed also, with no change.


Meanwhile, since we haven't been able to get this working, we may have 
to do it under Windows.   And I hate windows, but we have to get this 
working.  The old OS/2 system is on it's last legs.



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OT: Sanskrit vs Latin (Was: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:51:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 05:10:05PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
>> > I have the misfortune of never having learned Latin.
>> 
>> If you've ever seen the "graffiti scene" in 'The Life of Brian' then
>> you may use a word other than misfortune. :)
> 
> As I already pointed out, this is true. Btw. this movie scene does show
> how Latin does work. Salve vocative et ablative and all the other nice
> stuff!

If you like all that, try Sanskrit.  It has eight cases, not just six, 
three numbers, not just singular and plural, and more verb tenses than 
you can shape a stick at.  And Sanskrit (from some eras, anyway) has 
German beat for compound words!

And as for being a dead language (no native speakers, used as a second 
language for communication), its important literature was written when it 
was already dead.  Take that, Latin!

-- hendrik

P.S.  Not to mention the alphabet.



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Re: icedove configuration problem

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 05:30:43PM +0200, François Patte wrote:
> Le 22/08/2013 16:01, Darac Marjal a écrit :
> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 08:31:42AM -0500, Joel Diaz wrote:
> >>> 1- I presume that icedove check if my email address is a "valid" address
> >>> (and it is, I use it since almost 20 years at Paris Descartes
> >>> University) in some data bases. As it seems to fail to find it, It
> >>> reject it (even using "manual" configuration).
> >>
> >> Hello Francois,
> >>
> >> I believe you are asking how to bypass the automatic configuration that
> >> Icedove attempts to perform? Like you I find this behavior despicable
> >> and something I wanted to avoid. I found out how to make Icedove (and
> >> Thunderbird as well) behave according to my wishes.
> >>
> >> To stop Icedove's auto configuration, just go into offline mode while
> >> setting up the account. File -> Offline -> Work Offline.
> > 
> > The other alternative, especially if you find you're setting up Icedove
> > regularly, is to configure your mail server properly:
> > 
> >   
> > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration#Configuration_server_at_ISP
> > 
> 
> "properly"? are you joking? As far as I can see "properly" means
> "according to the wishes of mozilla"... and you want that every guy in
> charge of the internet services of a company will waste his time to
> configure the mail servers in order to fullfill: "The goal of
> autoconfiguration is to make it very easy for users to configure the
> connection of Thunderbird to their email servers."
> 
> It seems to be funny or stupid!
> 
> Is it so difficult to fill a few lines with the internet address of a
> mail server, name and login id?

# Devil's Advocate
Mail server? Well, I know I'm j...@example.com so... example.com? No,
that doesn't work. Oh, it's mail.example.com... right. IMAP or POP? I
don't know... I guess I'll just pick one. Oh, hell. "Connection
Security"? STARTLS, SSL/TLS... Where's "Secure" or "On" or whatever. Ah!

> 
> And if any user make a mistake? What is the problem? It doesn't work! Is
> it so dangerous!

Potentially, yes. With an autoconfiguration, you can tell the mail
client to use SSL, that the password should be encrypted and so on. The
other alternative is do do something like Google have: a page detailing
how to set up a dozen popular mail clients, telling you to click here,
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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Qua, 21 Ago 2013, Bob Proulx wrote:

So I went off and set up:

  setxkbmap -rules evdev -model evdev -layout us -variant altgr-intl

All worked perfectly as described.  Accented characters are easily
input.  But then the follow-up came back that they wanted to input the
bar characters āēīōū.  And I don't see how to input bar characters
with the above.


According to
http://dry.sailingissues.com/us-international-keyboard-layout.html,
AltGr + Shift + 3 gives you the dead macron, which you can then follow
with a vowel.

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Re: icedove configuration problem

[François Patte]

Le 22/08/2013 16:01, Darac Marjal a écrit :
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 08:31:42AM -0500, Joel Diaz wrote:
>>> 1- I presume that icedove check if my email address is a "valid" address
>>> (and it is, I use it since almost 20 years at Paris Descartes
>>> University) in some data bases. As it seems to fail to find it, It
>>> reject it (even using "manual" configuration).
>>
>> Hello Francois,
>>
>> I believe you are asking how to bypass the automatic configuration that
>> Icedove attempts to perform? Like you I find this behavior despicable
>> and something I wanted to avoid. I found out how to make Icedove (and
>> Thunderbird as well) behave according to my wishes.
>>
>> To stop Icedove's auto configuration, just go into offline mode while
>> setting up the account. File -> Offline -> Work Offline.
> 
> The other alternative, especially if you find you're setting up Icedove
> regularly, is to configure your mail server properly:
> 
>   
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration#Configuration_server_at_ISP
> 

"properly"? are you joking? As far as I can see "properly" means
"according to the wishes of mozilla"... and you want that every guy in
charge of the internet services of a company will waste his time to
configure the mail servers in order to fullfill: "The goal of
autoconfiguration is to make it very easy for users to configure the
connection of Thunderbird to their email servers."

It seems to be funny or stupid!

Is it so difficult to fill a few lines with the internet address of a
mail server, name and login id?

And if any user make a mistake? What is the problem? It doesn't work! Is
it so dangerous!

So called "simplifications" are often very complicated and become the
hell! Microsoft is the best example: I know only a few people with a
windows computer correctly configured and fullfilling the wishes of its
user

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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

[Adam J. Gamble]

Fixed! Was same bug as in 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720442#10


On 22/08/2013 09:38, Adam J. Gamble wrote:

Hi All,

Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant 
Microserver (N40L).


I'm using 
http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz 
with 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/.


Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed 
it would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in 
the slots. However, it just searches for drives, and returns to the 
main menu without allowing me to proceed any further.


Can someone elucidate the issue?

Cheers,

Adam





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Re: changing git language

[Teemu Likonen]

berenger morel [2013-08-22 16:16:42 +02:00] wrote:

> Le 22.08.2013 16:11, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
>> LANG=C git.real $*
>
> I see. Thanks. I think I will go for an alias instead, in that case,
> but I would have preferred another solution. Strange that there are no
> (real) configuration option for that...

I wouldn't use LANG because it is used as the default for some LC_*
variables, including LC_CTYPE which sets the character encoding. To
configure just output messages, use LC_MESSAGES variable. You could
maybe insert this in your shell startup file (e.g. ~/.bashrc):

export LC_MESSAGES=C


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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

[berenger . morel]

Le 22.08.2013 15:22, 郭靖 a écrit :

在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒，Ralf Mardorf写道：

On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:

> I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked 
fine


> but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.



More information is needed to comment this.



> is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more 
softwares?




Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is

available.



> mc looks fine and I may tried out.



mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and

mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. 
nano


is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to 
use


vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated 
from


the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be 
broken


on UNIX like systems.



If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another

distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over

Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes 
with a


build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this 
build


system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch

packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated 
package,


headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch 
is


much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release 
model


of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to 
develop


using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that 
easy


into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.



> If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be 
fine?




I don't know.



Debian:

https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial

https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro



Arch:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook

http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/



> And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on 
IRC


> channels?



You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too 
:).




Regards,

Ralf









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I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file 
manager.


Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge
on Linux, hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so.

BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS?


Yes, and you can even browse the web if you want: you just need a 
ncurse client to do that.


To find one that will suit your needs, I can only give an advice: run 
aptitude, install debtags, then open a debtab consultation ( in views ), 
go to protocol->irc tree, and search for one which have the debtab 
interface::commandline or interface::text-mode.


Aptitude with debtags is my favorite method to search for softwares 
which would fit my needs: it can filter stuff by many things, like 
programming language, interface (x11, ncurses...), library (gtk, qt), 
desktop environment... very useful when you try to keep a system as 
lightweight as possible (I avoid stuff related to DE, and try to avoid 
any thing with many dependencies, like python softwares usually.)



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Re: changing git language

[berenger . morel]

Le 22.08.2013 16:11, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :

LANG=C git [option]


Write a wrapper, copy git to git.real and let git be a script

LANG=C git.real $*


I see. Thanks. I think I will go for an alias instead, in that case, 
but I would have preferred another solution. Strange that there are no 
(real) configuration option for that...



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Re: changing git language

[Ralf Mardorf]

> LANG=C git [option]

Write a wrapper, copy git to git.real and let git be a script

LANG=C git.real $*






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Re: changing git language

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 14:07 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> I recently made an update, and git was one of the updated tools.
> Now, I just tried it and, surprise, it is now speaking french... which 
> I do not like. At all. I only use English when programming, for two 
> reasons:
> 1: I am used to.
> 2: when you have a problem (and I often have things I do not know how 
> to do with git), translating back the translation does not give very 
> good results. Plus, it imply that I need to type what I wan't to search 
> for, instead of copying the message from terminal.
> 
> So, does anyone knows how to change git's language, to help it forgot 
> that it is on a French system?

LANG=C git [option]



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Re: icedove configuration problem

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 08:31:42AM -0500, Joel Diaz wrote:
> > 1- I presume that icedove check if my email address is a "valid" address
> > (and it is, I use it since almost 20 years at Paris Descartes
> > University) in some data bases. As it seems to fail to find it, It
> > reject it (even using "manual" configuration).
> 
> Hello Francois,
> 
> I believe you are asking how to bypass the automatic configuration that
> Icedove attempts to perform? Like you I find this behavior despicable
> and something I wanted to avoid. I found out how to make Icedove (and
> Thunderbird as well) behave according to my wishes.
> 
> To stop Icedove's auto configuration, just go into offline mode while
> setting up the account. File -> Offline -> Work Offline.

The other alternative, especially if you find you're setting up Icedove
regularly, is to configure your mail server properly:

  
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration#Configuration_server_at_ISP



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Re: Multi WAN Routing

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

It sounds like what you're looking for is Policy Based Routing (PBR). 
The LARTC howto link you mentioned below is actually what I did when I 
setup a Linux laptop with a trunk interface connected to several 
different VLANs that I needed to route between.


On 22.08.2013 06:11, basti wrote:

Hallo,

i will try a Multi-WAN-Routing.

It look like:

LAN -- Router (Debian squeeze) -- ISP Line 1
 |- ISP Line 2

The ISP- Ip's are static.

Here some links i have found:


http://www.debian-administration.org/article/377/Routing_for_multiple_uplinks
http://code.google.com/p/muggles/
http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html

http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1346
http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1363

At the moment my routing table looks like:
rtr-0002:/var/log# route -n
Kernel-IP-Routentabelle
Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use
Iface
217.0.111.222 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0
rtr-0002:/var/log#
rtr-0002:/var/log# ip route show
217.0.111.222 dev ppp0 proto kernel scope link src 111.222.333.444
192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.1
default dev ppp0 scope link
rtr-0002:/var/log#
rtr-0002:/var/log# ifconfig ppp0
ppp0 Link encap:Punkt-zu-Punkt-Verbindung
 inet Adresse:111.222.333.444 P-z-P:217.0.111.222
Maske:255.255.255.255
 UP PUNKTZUPUNKT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metrik:1
 RX packets:2885981 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
 TX packets:2125651 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
 Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:3
 RX bytes:2957960607 (2.7 GiB) TX bytes:347600931 (331.4 MiB)

nx4-rtr-0002:/var/log#

At the moment I use ppp (pon/poff) dail up.
Not clear thinks are:

- how do 2 PPPoE connections at the same time?
- where do I place the code for multiple routing
 (ip route add default scope global nexthop via 1.0.0.2 dev eth1
weight 1 nexthop via 2.0.0.2 eth2 weight 1)
- did this setup runing with SSL or SSH connections? (while the
connection is keep alive they must use the same route i think?)

Thanks,
regards Basti



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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

[Adam J. Gamble]

Further to the previous. Dump from failed install here: 
http://pastebin.com/5kLP6K6p , most salient info seems to be:


 * Aug 22 13:40:27 main-menu[290]: (process:5317): WARNING: could not
   open /lib/modules/3.10-2-amd64/modules.builtin: No such file or
   directory
 *

   Aug 22 14:38:41 kernel: [3.320926]  sdb: unknown partition table

 *

   Aug 22 14:38:41 kernel: [3.279479]  sda: unknown partition table

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

Adam

On 22/08/2013 13:40, Adam J. Gamble wrote:
Appologies not 'built-in' so to speak, just no additional drives. 
Actually as luck would have it, my 2TB Western Digital just arrived :)


Assume its an issue with Debian install /finding/ disks to partition 
then? BIOS can see both, so no problem there. What can I do to debug? 
Does the debian testing version I've chosen seem a reasonable choice 
(compatability-wise)?


Thanks,

Adam

On 22/08/2013 11:53, Chris Davies wrote:

Adam J. Gamble  wrote:

Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant
Microserver (N40L).
Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed it
would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in the
slots.

The built-in 250GB disk uses the first slot. (Did you mean that you've
not got any *extra* HDs in the slots?)

The issues I had when preparing to install Squeeze (this was several
months ago, before Wheezy had been released) were adding an extra NIC
and additional memory (it's a fairly compact box!) and learning how to
partition my 3TB disks (GPT and parted rather than fdisk).

 parted /dev/sda --align optimal unit GiB print

 Model: ATA VB0250EAVER (scsi)
 Disk /dev/sda: 233GiB
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
 Partition Table: gpt

 Number  StartEnd  Size File system  Name  Flags
  1  0.00GiB  0.00GiB  0.00GiB bios_grub
  2  0.00GiB  20.0GiB  20.0GiB raid
  3  20.0GiB  233GiB   213GiB  lvm

Chris







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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

[郭靖]

在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午7时50分01秒，Kailash写道：
> On Thursday 22 August 2013 04:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
> 
> >> I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
> 
> >> but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.
> 
> > 
> 
> > More information is needed to comment this.
> 
> > 
> 
> >> is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?
> 
> > 
> 
> > Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
> 
> > available.
> 
> > 
> 
> >> mc looks fine and I may tried out.
> 
> > 
> 
> > mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
> 
> > mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
> 
> > is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
> 
> > vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
> 
> > the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
> 
> > on UNIX like systems.
> 
> > 
> 
> > If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
> 
> > distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
> 
> > Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
> 
> > build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
> 
> > system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
> 
> > packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
> 
> > headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
> 
> > much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
> 
> > of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
> 
> > using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
> 
> > into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.
> 
> > 
> 
> >> If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?
> 
> > 
> 
> > I don't know.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Debian:
> 
> > https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
> 
> > https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
> 
> > 
> 
> > Arch:
> 
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
> 
> > http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/
> 
> > 
> 
> >> And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
> 
> >> channels?
> 
> > 
> 
> > You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).
> 
> > 
> 
> > Regards,
> 
> > Ralf
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> The questions you're asking about are probably covered better in the
> 
> Debian Administrator's handbook.
> 
> http://debian-handbook.info/
> 
> 
> 
> They have a free ebook version available from their website too. It
> 
> covers the basic choices you'd need to make working you through the
> 
> install process, and explaining the basic packages necessary on Debian.
> 
> 
> 
> Another good site would be TDLP.org where you can find some good
> 
> introductory material on linux to get you going.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Kailash
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Thx for your information, I have ever went through Debian Handbook, and I think 
it a great work for Debian users.


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Re: icedove configuration problem

[Joel Diaz]

> 1- I presume that icedove check if my email address is a "valid" address
> (and it is, I use it since almost 20 years at Paris Descartes
> University) in some data bases. As it seems to fail to find it, It
> reject it (even using "manual" configuration).

Hello Francois,

I believe you are asking how to bypass the automatic configuration that
Icedove attempts to perform? Like you I find this behavior despicable
and something I wanted to avoid. I found out how to make Icedove (and
Thunderbird as well) behave according to my wishes.

To stop Icedove's auto configuration, just go into offline mode while
setting up the account. File -> Offline -> Work Offline.

Then when you go to create a new account, there is a brief attempt to
contact the mozilla database for the domain you entered, and then the
process stops. At that point you can click on manual config, and take it
from there.

Hope this helps, and apologies if I have mis-understood.
Joel


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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

[郭靖]

在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒，Ralf Mardorf写道：
> On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
> 
> > I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
> 
> > but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.
> 
> 
> 
> More information is needed to comment this.
> 
> 
> 
> > is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?
> 
> 
> 
> Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
> 
> available.
> 
> 
> 
> > mc looks fine and I may tried out.
> 
> 
> 
> mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
> 
> mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
> 
> is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
> 
> vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
> 
> the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
> 
> on UNIX like systems.
> 
> 
> 
> If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
> 
> distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
> 
> Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
> 
> build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
> 
> system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
> 
> packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
> 
> headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
> 
> much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
> 
> of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
> 
> using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
> 
> into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.
> 
> 
> 
> > If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know.
> 
> 
> 
> Debian:
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
> 
> 
> 
> Arch:
> 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
> 
> http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/
> 
> 
> 
> > And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
> 
> > channels?
> 
> 
> 
> You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ralf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file manager.

Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge on Linux, 
hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so.

BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS?


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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

[Adam J. Gamble]

Appologies not 'built-in' so to speak, just no additional drives. 
Actually as luck would have it, my 2TB Western Digital just arrived :)


Assume its an issue with Debian install /finding/ disks to partition 
then? BIOS can see both, so no problem there. What can I do to debug? 
Does the debian testing version I've chosen seem a reasonable choice 
(compatability-wise)?


Thanks,

Adam

On 22/08/2013 11:53, Chris Davies wrote:

Adam J. Gamble  wrote:

Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant
Microserver (N40L).
Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed it
would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in the
slots.

The built-in 250GB disk uses the first slot. (Did you mean that you've
not got any *extra* HDs in the slots?)

The issues I had when preparing to install Squeeze (this was several
months ago, before Wheezy had been released) were adding an extra NIC
and additional memory (it's a fairly compact box!) and learning how to
partition my 3TB disks (GPT and parted rather than fdisk).

 parted /dev/sda --align optimal unit GiB print

 Model: ATA VB0250EAVER (scsi)
 Disk /dev/sda: 233GiB
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
 Partition Table: gpt

 Number  StartEnd  Size File system  Name  Flags
  1  0.00GiB  0.00GiB  0.00GiB bios_grub
  2  0.00GiB  20.0GiB  20.0GiB raid
  3  20.0GiB  233GiB   213GiB  lvm

Chris

changing git language

[berenger . morel]

Hello.

I recently made an update, and git was one of the updated tools.
Now, I just tried it and, surprise, it is now speaking french... which 
I do not like. At all. I only use English when programming, for two 
reasons:

1: I am used to.
2: when you have a problem (and I often have things I do not know how 
to do with git), translating back the translation does not give very 
good results. Plus, it imply that I need to type what I wan't to search 
for, instead of copying the message from terminal.


So, does anyone knows how to change git's language, to help it forgot 
that it is on a French system?



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Re: trusting repository keys (was: deb-multimedia repository)

[Jochen Spieker]

Ralf Mardorf:
> On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 16:53 +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote:
>
>> Ralf Mardorf:
>> No. Just because a keyserver happens to serve some key that does not
>> mean the key is valid.
> 
> But if I upload a key it neither would have the same fingerprint, nor
> fit to the packages.

But how do you know the correct fingerprint? The one that is used to
sign the repository might be compromised, just like the rest of the
repository.

The scenario is as follows: just like the OP, you want to use
packages from deb-multimedia.org (or any other repository, including
official Debian repositories). You don't know very much about the entity
providing these packages, except from their name ("Christian Marillat",
"Debian").

You want to make sure that your apt talks to the correct repository and
not one of an attacker that is able to poison your DNS or acts as a
man-in-the-middle for your web traffic.

Secure apt can do this for you *if you import (only) the correct keys*
into apt's keyring. But in the beginning you don't even know which key
is the correct one! To be cryptographically secure, you need an
out-of-band method to find out whether the key used to sign the
repository you are seeing does in fact belong to the person/entity that
you trust. To do this, you can either try to meet with the signee in
person or use the Web of Trust.

> So I must upload a key and then hack the package to
> do something evil.

Yes, and Secure Apt is supposed to protect you from this kind of attack.

> Sure, if the multimedia guys do something evil, than
> no key will add security. The key only should ensure that the package is
> a package from multimedia.

Yes. But with the twist I already mentioned: apt does not tell you which
key was used to verify a specific package and you cannot limit the
authority of a key to a specific set of packages or repositories.

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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

[Kailash]

On Thursday 22 August 2013 04:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
>> I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
>> but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.
> 
> More information is needed to comment this.
> 
>> is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?
> 
> Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
> available.
> 
>> mc looks fine and I may tried out.
> 
> mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
> mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
> is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
> vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
> the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
> on UNIX like systems.
> 
> If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
> distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
> Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
> build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
> system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
> packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
> headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
> much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
> of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
> using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
> into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.
> 
>> If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?
> 
> I don't know.
> 
> Debian:
> https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
> https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
> 
> Arch:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
> http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/
> 
>> And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
>> channels?
> 
> You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
> 
> 
> 

Hi,

The questions you're asking about are probably covered better in the
Debian Administrator's handbook.
http://debian-handbook.info/

They have a free ebook version available from their website too. It
covers the basic choices you'd need to make working you through the
install process, and explaining the basic packages necessary on Debian.

Another good site would be TDLP.org where you can find some good
introductory material on linux to get you going.

Hope that helps,
Kailash


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Re: Proliant Microserver installation

[Chris Davies]

Adam J. Gamble  wrote:
> Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant 
> Microserver (N40L).

> Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed it 
> would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in the 
> slots.

The built-in 250GB disk uses the first slot. (Did you mean that you've
not got any *extra* HDs in the slots?)

The issues I had when preparing to install Squeeze (this was several
months ago, before Wheezy had been released) were adding an extra NIC
and additional memory (it's a fairly compact box!) and learning how to
partition my 3TB disks (GPT and parted rather than fdisk).

parted /dev/sda --align optimal unit GiB print

Model: ATA VB0250EAVER (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 233GiB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt

Number  StartEnd  Size File system  Name  Flags
 1  0.00GiB  0.00GiB  0.00GiB bios_grub
 2  0.00GiB  20.0GiB  20.0GiB raid
 3  20.0GiB  233GiB   213GiB  lvm

Chris


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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 05:10:05PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > I have the misfortune of never having learned Latin.
> 
> If you've ever seen the "graffiti scene" in 'The Life of Brian' then you
> may use a word other than misfortune. :)

As I already pointed out, this is true. Btw. this movie scene does show
how Latin does work. Salve vocative et ablative and all the other nice
stuff!


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Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote:
> I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine
> but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well.

More information is needed to comment this.

> is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares?

Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is
available.

> mc looks fine and I may tried out.

mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and
mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano
is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use
vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from
the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken
on UNIX like systems.

If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another
distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over
Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a
build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build
system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch
packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package,
headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is
much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model
of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop
using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy
into issues, as you'll do when using Debian.

> If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine?

I don't know.

Debian:
https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial
https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro

Arch:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/

> And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC
> channels?

You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :).

Regards,
Ralf




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Re: Multi WAN Routing

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:11:38PM +0200, basti wrote:
>  Hallo,
> 
>  i will try a Multi-WAN-Routing.
> 
>  It look like:
> 
>  LAN -- Router (Debian squeeze) -- ISP Line 1
> |- ISP Line 2
> 
>  The ISP- Ip's are static.
> 
>  Here some links i have found:
> 
>  
> [1]http://www.debian-administration.org/article/377/Routing_for_multiple_uplinks
>  [2]http://code.google.com/p/muggles/
>  [3]http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
> 
>  [4]http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1346
>  [5]http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1363
> 
>  At the moment my routing table looks like:
>  rtr-0002:/var/log# route -n
>  Kernel-IP-Routentabelle
>  ZielRouter  Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
>  Iface
>  217.0.111.222   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp0
>  192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
>  0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0  00 ppp0
>  rtr-0002:/var/log#
>  rtr-0002:/var/log# ip route show
>  217.0.111.222 dev ppp0  proto kernel  scope link  src 111.222.333.444
>  192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.1
>  default dev ppp0  scope link
>  rtr-0002:/var/log#
>  rtr-0002:/var/log# ifconfig ppp0
>  ppp0  Link encap:Punkt-zu-Punkt-Verbindung
>inet Adresse:111.222.333.444  P-z-P:217.0.111.222 
> Maske:255.255.255.255
>UP PUNKTZUPUNKT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metrik:1
>RX packets:2885981 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>TX packets:2125651 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:3
>RX bytes:2957960607 (2.7 GiB)  TX bytes:347600931 (331.4 MiB)
> 
>  nx4-rtr-0002:/var/log#
> 
>  At the moment I use ppp (pon/poff) dail up.
>  Not clear thinks are:
> 
>  - how do 2 PPPoE connections at the same time?

Add another PPP provider (/etc/ppp/providers, I think). You can then
call "pon ISP1" and "pon ISP2" (or however you call them).

>  - where do I place the code for multiple routing
>(ip route add default scope global nexthop via 1.0.0.2 dev eth1 weight 1 
> nexthop via 2.0.0.2 eth2 weight 1)

Probably the best place would be in a new script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/
That way it the routing table is adjusted only when the connection comes
up. You should look at the documentation on the scripts there,
especially if you want to be able to adapt to only using one ISP (for
example, it should be possible for the script to know WHICH ISP just
came up and adjust accordingly)

>  - did this setup runing with SSL or SSH connections? (while the connection 
> is keep alive they must use the same route i think?)

Yes. The routing is done one a per-connection basis.
> 


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Multi WAN Routing

[basti]

Hallo,

i will try a Multi-WAN-Routing.

It look like:

LAN -- Router (Debian squeeze) -- ISP Line 1
   |- ISP Line 2

The ISP- Ip's are static.

Here some links i have found:

http://www.debian-administration.org/article/377/Routing_for_multiple_uplinks
http://code.google.com/p/muggles/
http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html

http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1346
http://maltekueppers.de/wp/?p=1363

At the moment my routing table looks like:
rtr-0002:/var/log# route -n
Kernel-IP-Routentabelle
ZielRouter  Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
217.0.111.222   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp0
192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0  00 ppp0
rtr-0002:/var/log#
rtr-0002:/var/log# ip route show
217.0.111.222 dev ppp0  proto kernel  scope link  src 111.222.333.444
192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.1
default dev ppp0  scope link
rtr-0002:/var/log#
rtr-0002:/var/log# ifconfig ppp0
ppp0  Link encap:Punkt-zu-Punkt-Verbindung 
  inet Adresse:111.222.333.444  P-z-P:217.0.111.222 
Maske:255.255.255.255
  UP PUNKTZUPUNKT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metrik:1
  RX packets:2885981 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:2125651 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:3
  RX bytes:2957960607 (2.7 GiB)  TX bytes:347600931 (331.4 MiB)

nx4-rtr-0002:/var/log#

At the moment I use ppp (pon/poff) dail up.
Not clear thinks are:

- how do 2 PPPoE connections at the same time?
- where do I place the code for multiple routing
  (ip route add default scope global nexthop via 1.0.0.2 dev eth1 weight 1 
nexthop via 2.0.0.2 eth2 weight 1)
- did this setup runing with SSL or SSH connections? (while the connection is 
keep alive they must use the same route i think?)

Thanks,
regards Basti

Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Thierry Chatelet]

The Wednesday 21 August 2013 23:37:25, Bob Proulx wrote :
> I am helping someone configure their Debian system.  They said they
> wished to type in "special" characters.  Which I assumed meant
> accented characters.
> 
> I had previously read:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/01/msg02068.html
> 
> And that pointed me off to the very nicely written article:
> 
>  
> http://zuttobenkyou.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/xorg-using-the-us-internation
> al-altgr-intl-variant-keyboard-layout/
> 
> That seemed to have been the best recommendation.  So I went off and
> set up:
> 
>   setxkbmap -rules evdev -model evdev -layout us -variant altgr-intl
> 
> All worked perfectly as described.  Accented characters are easily
> input.  But then the follow-up came back that they wanted to input the
> bar characters āēīōū.  And I don't see how to input bar characters
> with the above.
> 
> Because now I know that specifically they want to input the barred
> characters āēīōū what would be possible methods to type those in that
> I should recommend to them?
> 
> Thanks!
> Bob

See http://userbase.kde.org/ComposeKey
Same can be found for gnome and others. Usefull info can be found there too: 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey
Thierry


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Proliant Microserver installation

[Adam J. Gamble]

Hi All,

Just require some clarification with my Debian install on HP Proliant 
Microserver (N40L).


I'm using 
http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz with 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/.


Installation going fine until I hit 'Partition disks', I had assumed it 
would find the 250gb HD built-in ..currently don't have any HDs in the 
slots. However, it just searches for drives, and returns to the main 
menu without allowing me to proceed any further.


Can someone elucidate the issue?

Cheers,

Adam


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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[François Patte]

Le 21/08/2013 23:37, Bob Proulx a écrit :
> I am helping someone configure their Debian system.  They said they
> wished to type in "special" characters.  Which I assumed meant
> accented characters.
> 
> I had previously read:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/01/msg02068.html
> 
> And that pointed me off to the very nicely written article:
> 
>   
> http://zuttobenkyou.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/xorg-using-the-us-international-altgr-intl-variant-keyboard-layout/
> 

The best way to type "exotic" characters is to install ibus and m17n
packages.

नमस्ते!


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