date:20131004

El día 4 de abril de 2013 16:01, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:01:06 +0200, maykel escribió:

 Hola muy buenas, tengo un raid1 por hardware en un servidor hp proliant
 dl 360 G7 y quería saber si hay alguna manera de comprobar el estado de
 los raid instalando algún paquetito y luego mediante comandos.

 ¿Qué controladora RAID monta?

 No me gustaría tener que apagar la máquina para meterme en la bios o en
 las opciones del estado de la controladora, lo que no quiero es perder
 el servicio.

 Eso me toca hacer a mí, pero al ser un RAID1 reinicias, te metes en la
 BIOS, se empieza a reconstruir el array e inicias el sistema como si nada.

 Me recomiendan algo??

 Pues dependerá del modelo de controladora que tengas, consulta esta
 páginas:

 http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins

 Saludos,

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Gracias Camaleón. Esto ya lo solucioné, añadiendo un nuevo repo a
/etc/apt/source.list:

# CONTROLADORA SOFTWARE PAQUETES

deb http://hwraid.le-vert.net/debian squeeze main


Y ahora al lanzar hpacucli ctrl all show config , devuelve:

Smart Array P410i in Slot 0 (Embedded)(sn: 5001438011863CB0)

   array A (SAS, Unused Space: 0  MB)


  logicaldrive 1 (136.7 GB, RAID 1, OK)

  physicaldrive 1I:1:1 (port 1I:box 1:bay 1, SAS, 146 GB, OK)
  physicaldrive 1I:1:2 (port 1I:box 1:bay 2, SAS, 146 GB, OK)

   array B (SAS, Unused Space: 0  MB)


  logicaldrive 2 (279.4 GB, RAID 1, OK)

  physicaldrive 2I:1:7 (port 2I:box 1:bay 7, SAS, 300 GB, OK)
  physicaldrive 2I:1:8 (port 2I:box 1:bay 8, SAS, 300 GB, OK)

   unassigned

  physicaldrive 1I:1:3 (port 1I:box 1:bay 3, SAS, 450 GB, OK)

   SEP (Vendor ID PMCSIERA, Model  SRC 8x6G) 250 (WWID: 5001438011863CBF)

Mi pregunta es, podría definir esa bahía que está sin asignar mediante
comandos?? Creo que sí pero la verdad nunca lo he hecho y no me
gustaría asignarlo mal. Tengo 2 opciones:

1- Apagar la máquina, entrar a la configuración de la controlador y
definir la bahía, solo es un disco para backup.

2- Definir la bahía mediante linea de comandos...

Ahora evidentemente, si haces un fdisk -l , no aparece ese disco
porque esa bahía no esta asignada, unassigned .

Saludos y gracias.


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Re: Reports usuarios squid

2013-10-04 Thread Usuario Lista

El día 3 de octubre de 2013 15:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:18:13 +0200, Usuario Lista escribió:

El día 2 de octubre de 2013 16:45, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
escribió:

(...)

Sabéis alguna manera de poder filtrar todo ese tipo de links extras
que tiene una petición a una web?

Hum... no tengo la menor idea de qué formato usa squid para registrar
las peticiones de los clientes (accesos) pero para Apache tienes
algunos ejemplos de filtrado para visitantes únicos en esta página:

http://geekpad.ca/blog/post/get-unique-visitors-from-apache-log-file

Echa un vistazo ya que es posible que puedas adaptar esos comandos al
formato del registro que usa squid y de esta forma poder filtrar
aguachinadamente por los usuarios y los sitios distintos a los que
han accedido.

(...)

A ver, he encontrado esto.

http://sourceforge.net/p/sarg/wiki/hostalias/

Hum...

Pero no se me ocurre ninguna forma de poder automatizar eso, sin tener
que ver primero los informes para poder crear los hostalias.

(leyendo...)

Pues sí, no tiene mucho sentido. Si tienes que generar ese archivo
manualmente no te va a servir salvo, vamos... muy enrevesado lo veo ya
que tendrías que generar ese archivo extrayendo sólo la columna de los
dominios del registro de squid y después recuperar el dominio para usarlo
como la cadena de reemplazo.

¿Has probado con algunos de los ejemplos del enlace que te pasé?

Si los he probado pero en el momento que lanzas el uniq ya me está
quitando número de conexiones y bytes consumidos por ese usuario. No
es un informe real.

La idea es agrupar conexiones en dominios legibles para los jefes.

No se como hacerlo y tampoco se si es posible hacer eso en la parte servidor.

Saludos.

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Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!

2013-10-04 Thread javier

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:24:23 -0300
ciracusa cirac...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 23/09/13 09:02, Debian GMail wrote:
  El 19/09/13 13:25, Guido Ignacio escribió:
 
  Es lo que ocurre con ser extremistas y no tener un punto medio en la
  política, por eso se producen estos encontronazos.
 
  Fabián ya le había saltado la chabeta cuando acá lo insultaron
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2013/06/msg00041.html y
  salto con un tema político donde lo no había. Hay veces que la
  políticas extrema le nubla el cerebro a algunos.
 
  Paz gente!
 
 
 
  La política es tan mala en sí misma, que la propia palabra arruina todo.
  La palabra más dulce que existe, es madre.
  Le agregas política, y te queda suegra.
La mejor definición que me he encontrado en la vida de la peliaguda palabrita.
La propongo para que sea estudiada e incluída en el RAE :-D, :-D
Gracias JAP

  JAP
 
 
 +100
 
 :)
 
 
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Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!

2013-10-04 Thread Santiago José López Borrazás

El 04/10/13 15:09, javier escribió:
 La política es tan mala en sí misma, que la propia palabra arruina todo.
 La palabra más dulce que existe, es madre.
 Le agregas política, y te queda suegra.
 La mejor definición que me he encontrado en la vida de la peliaguda palabrita.
 La propongo para que sea estudiada e incluída en el RAE :-D, :-D
 Gracias JAP

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Re: Instalación de Debian, mediante boot por red.

El Fri, 04 Oct 2013 00:10:26 +0200, Ramses escribió:

 El 03/10/2013, a las 23:28, Pablo Jiménez pejim...@vtr.net escribió:
 
 On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 03:33:32PM -0400, Francisco javier wrote:
 
 [...]
 
 gracias, esta tarde me pondré a probar, creo que me iré por el lado de
 la instalación, ya que hay algunas maquinas diferentes. gracias por
 las respustas.
 
 a todo esto, esto lo estoy haciendo por una charla que daran en mi
 universidad la prox semana sobre programación para dispositivos
 android, si a alguno le interesa, habrá hangout, el curso lo dicta el
 presidente de gnu-chile.
 
 Francisco:
 
 Tengo experiencia configurando instalaciones basadas en PXE. Ya que
 estás en Chile, puedes contactarme por interno si requieres de ayuda al
 respecto.
 
 Pablo, mejor por la lista, así aprendemos todos y queda para la
 posteridad... ;-)

¿Y quién necesita la lista cuando se tiene soporte técnico a la 
carta? :-)

Vamos, que si quiere compartir su experiencia por aquí, perfecto, pero 
entiendo que la prioridad para el OP en este momento es tener montado y 
funcionando el laboratorio cuanto antes.

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Re: Problemas de compactacion de archivos con RAR

El Thu, 03 Oct 2013 19:23:34 -0300, Ing. Abdel Alejandro Bagós Hurtado
escribió:

 Hola Lista, 

(ese html...)

 tengo un servidor para mi LAN en debían, recientemente instale el RAR y
 comenze a compactar
 
 El problema es lo siguiente hize un pequeño script para todos los días
 compactar una carpeta donde se hallan las actualizaciones del Nod32 para
 mi LAN y cuando lo ejecuto todo funciona ok el problema es cuando lo
 mando a ejecutar con el cron, no se por que me deja de compactar a la
 mitad de la carpeta, déjame ver si me entienden, cuando lo ejecuto
 manualmente el fichero compactado queda de 48 MB y si lo ejecuta el cron
 lo deja en 38 MB,

Lo primero que probaría es:

1/ Para descartar cualquier error, hacer las pruebas de compactación 
sobre un mismo lote de archivo para saber que el resultado 
(independientemente de que sea a través de cron o con ejecución directa 
del script) siempre ha de tener el mismo tamaño.

2/ Añade una salida de depuración para rar (p. ej., usando el modificador 
v) para controlar lo que hace en todo momento.

3/ Dado que el script se llega a ejecutar, el hecho de que no compacte 
todo lo que debería puede deberse a un problema con los permisos o 
accesos a esos archivos/directorios (recuerda que las tareas de cron se 
ejecutan con el usuario donde las configurado la tarea salvo que sea 
global, claro).

 con el TAR todo funciona de maravillas solo que me compacta con el
 camino completo /var/www/antivirus/nod32.

Si te refieres a esto...

How do I exclude absolute paths for Tar?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3153683/how-do-i-exclude-absolute-
paths-for-tar

 Sabe alguien cual es el problema del RAR

No, al menos de momento :-)

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Re: Comandos para raid hp proliant dl 360 G7 en debian squeeze

El Fri, 04 Oct 2013 09:51:13 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

 El día 4 de abril de 2013 16:01, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:01:06 +0200, maykel escribió:

 Hola muy buenas, tengo un raid1 por hardware en un servidor hp
 proliant dl 360 G7 y quería saber si hay alguna manera de comprobar el
 estado de los raid instalando algún paquetito y luego mediante
 comandos.

(...)

 Me recomiendan algo??

 Pues dependerá del modelo de controladora que tengas, consulta esta
 páginas:

 http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins
 
 Gracias Camaleón. Esto ya lo solucioné, añadiendo un nuevo repo a
 /etc/apt/source.list:
 
 # CONTROLADORA SOFTWARE PAQUETES
 
 deb http://hwraid.le-vert.net/debian squeeze main
 
 
 Y ahora al lanzar hpacucli ctrl all show config , devuelve:
 
 Smart Array P410i in Slot 0 (Embedded)(sn: 5001438011863CB0)

(...)

Más vale tarde que nunca :-P

 Mi pregunta es, podría definir esa bahía que está sin asignar mediante
 comandos?? 

Supongo que te refieres a un disco de 450 GiB que no forma parte de 
ningún nivel de raid ¿no?

 Creo que sí pero la verdad nunca lo he hecho y no me gustaría asignarlo
 mal. Tengo 2 opciones:
 
 1- Apagar la máquina, entrar a la configuración de la controlador y
 definir la bahía, solo es un disco para backup.

Esto es lo que yo hago para gestionar cualquier operación del array pero 
es que mi controladora no colabora mucho, la verdad (es una adaptec) y no 
me fío...

 2- Definir la bahía mediante linea de comandos...
 
 Ahora evidentemente, si haces un fdisk -l , no aparece ese disco porque
 esa bahía no esta asignada, unassigned .

¿Qué es lo que quieres hacer, exactamente? ¿Añadirla a un raid existente 
(y usar un raid 5, pero perderás espacio, ya lo sabes) o usarla como un 
disco independiente, fuera del raid?

Si es lo último, tendrás que ver primero si la controladora te permite 
configurar los discos seleccionados en modo JBOD (supongo que esto no 
será problema pero es lo primero que tienes que comprobar) y después si 
la utilidad hpacucli dispone de algún comando para inicializar el disco.

Por aquí tienes algunos ejemplos para crear un array:

How to configure add array on HP servers with hpacucli?
http://www.optilabs.eu/en/blog/detail/how-to-configure-add-array-on-hp-
servers-with-hpacucli

(ten en cuenta que ahí está creando un nivel raid=1+0, en tu caso sería 
un, por poner un ejemplo ficticio, raid=jbod o como sea que lo llame la 
utilidad a este modo ;-P)

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Re: Reports usuarios squid

El Fri, 04 Oct 2013 13:49:08 +0200, Usuario Lista escribió:

 El día 3 de octubre de 2013 15:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

(...)

 A ver, he encontrado esto.

 http://sourceforge.net/p/sarg/wiki/hostalias/

 Hum...

 Pero no se me ocurre ninguna forma de poder automatizar eso, sin tener
 que ver primero los informes para poder crear los hostalias.

 (leyendo...)

 Pues sí, no tiene mucho sentido. Si tienes que generar ese archivo
 manualmente no te va a servir salvo, vamos... muy enrevesado lo veo ya
 que tendrías que generar ese archivo extrayendo sólo la columna de los
 dominios del registro de squid y después recuperar el dominio para
 usarlo como la cadena de reemplazo.

 ¿Has probado con algunos de los ejemplos del enlace que te pasé?
 
 Si los he probado pero en el momento que lanzas el uniq ya me está
 quitando número de conexiones y bytes consumidos por ese usuario. No es
 un informe real.

Vaya... con el access.log del apache funciona bastante bien, al menos 
te sirve para ver una estadística rápida y eliminar los duplicados de un 
plumazo ya que el resto de columnas las mantiene intactas.

Podrías intentar un doble filtrado, primero filtras el access.log para 
que elimine los registros que quieres evitar (los duplicados de los 
dominios) y después decirle a Sarg que use ese nuevo archivo 
(access_filtered.log) ya depurado para que genere las estadísticas 
usando ese nuevo archivo.

 La idea es agrupar conexiones en dominios legibles para los jefes.
 
 No se como hacerlo y tampoco se si es posible hacer eso en la parte
 servidor.

Es que ese concepto que tiene Sarg de agrupación de dominio para este 
caso me parece que no te va a valer porque tiene que ser automático y 
según la documentación es un trabajo manual, más bien enfocado a generar 
una página de datos resultona. 

Quizá tengas que pensar en otra aplicación para analizar las estadísticas 
ya que entiendo que debería ser la propia aplicación la que contemple 
esta opción y al menos en Sarg no lo veo disponible.

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RE: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!

Esto ya es un tema cerrado. hace semanas no hablemos mas del asunto

Atte.

William Romero 

 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 From: sjlop...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!
 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:17:33 +0200

 El 04/10/13 15:09, javier escribió:
  La política es tan mala en sí misma, que la propia palabra arruina todo.
  La palabra más dulce que existe, es madre.
  Le agregas política, y te queda suegra.
  La mejor definición que me he encontrado en la vida de la peliaguda 
  palabrita.
  La propongo para que sea estudiada e incluída en el RAE :-D, :-D
  Gracias JAP

 +1

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 Saludos de Santiago José López Borrazás.

Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!

2013-10-04 Thread Juan

El 04/10/2013 13:58, William Romero escribió:
 
 Esto ya es un tema cerrado. hace semanas no hablemos mas del asunto
 
 Atte.
 
 */William Romero /*
 
 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org


Y esto es top-posting... ya que estamos, respeta las normas de la lista


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RE: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!

por su puesto que la respecto , es por eso que te decia que ya no comentamos 
hace varias semanas atras.

no te ofendas.
saludos 


Atte.

William Romero C



 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:17:49 -0300
 From: jarf...@estudioagnetti.com.ar
 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!
 
 El 04/10/2013 13:58, William Romero escribió:
  
  Esto ya es un tema cerrado. hace semanas no hablemos mas del asunto
  
  Atte.
  
  */William Romero /*
  
  To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 
 
 Y esto es top-posting... ya que estamos, respeta las normas de la lista
 
 
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Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!

2013-10-04 Thread Juan

El 04/10/2013 14:35, William Romero escribió:
 por su puesto que la respecto , es por eso que te decia que ya no
 comentamos hace varias semanas atras.
 
 no te ofendas.
 saludos
 
 
 Atte.
 
 */William Romero C/*
 
 
 
 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:17:49 -0300
 From: jarf...@estudioagnetti.com.ar
 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - Una buena noticia!

 El 04/10/2013 13:58, William Romero escribi:
 
  Esto ya es un tema cerrado. hace semanas no hablemos mas del asunto
 
  Atte.
 
  */William Romero /*
 
  To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org


 Y esto es top-posting... ya que estamos, respeta las normas de la lista



Dos cosas:

1) a mi no me tenés que decir nada, ya que el hilo no lo reabrí yo.
2) NO LAS RESPETAS, ya que seguís haciendo top-posting, ¿entendés lo que
es el top-posting?, por las dudas, es facil, poné en Goolge: top-posting
y te lo cuenta, quizas de esa manera lo entiendas.

Cierro mi participación en este hilo, lo que te pediría es que no me
respondás nuevamente, o al menos no lo hagas hasta entender como se hace.

Juan


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RE: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!

1) a mi no me tenés que decir nada, ya que el hilo no lo reabrí yo.

no va a ti va a todos , lo hablamos hace muchas semanas .
o es que acaso te envie a tu privado, hablamos del distro no de politica .

 2) NO LAS RESPETAS, ya que seguís haciendo top-posting, ¿entendés lo que
 es el top-posting?, por las dudas, es facil, poné en Goolge: top-posting
 y te lo cuenta, quizas de esa manera lo entiendas.

sin comentarios , te digo no te ofendas y te hablo con respeto.
o es que acaso te dije algo que no sabes ene ste caso me estas faltando el 
respeto tu.
 
 Cierro mi participación en este hilo, lo que te pediría es que no me
 respondás nuevamente, o al menos no lo hagas hasta entender como se hace.

la ultima vez lo cerramos y habiamos comentado no hablar mas del asunto.
Respondo al grupo no a ti .


 Gracias  Juan por faltarme el respeto.


Atte.

William Romero C




 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:44:04 -0300
 From: jarf...@estudioagnetti.com.ar
 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!
 
 El 04/10/2013 14:35, William Romero escribió:
  por su puesto que la respecto , es por eso que te decia que ya no
  comentamos hace varias semanas atras.
  
  no te ofendas.
  saludos
  
  
  Atte.
  
  */William Romero C/*
  
  
  
  Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:17:49 -0300
  From: jarf...@estudioagnetti.com.ar
  To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
  Subject: Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - Una buena noticia!
 
  El 04/10/2013 13:58, William Romero escribi:
  
   Esto ya es un tema cerrado. hace semanas no hablemos mas del asunto
  
   Atte.
  
   */William Romero /*
  
   To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 
 
  Y esto es top-posting... ya que estamos, respeta las normas de la lista
 
 
 
 Dos cosas:
 
 1) a mi no me tenés que decir nada, ya que el hilo no lo reabrí yo.
 2) NO LAS RESPETAS, ya que seguís haciendo top-posting, ¿entendés lo que
 es el top-posting?, por las dudas, es facil, poné en Goolge: top-posting
 y te lo cuenta, quizas de esa manera lo entiendas.
 
 Cierro mi participación en este hilo, lo que te pediría es que no me
 respondás nuevamente, o al menos no lo hagas hasta entender como se hace.
 
 Juan
 
 
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Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!

2013-10-04 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia


William dejame explicarte algo:

Cuando dicen que no hagas top-posting (no se porque diablos les gusta hablar 
en ingles y no en español donde no habrá equivocos)


Es que no respondas encima del mensaje, sino que realices las respuestas 
debajo del mensaje. Para mi es más incomodo, pero como estoy en una lista 
simplemente trato de acogerme a ellas.


Saludos

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RE: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!

 From: ism...@citricos.co.cu
 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: UAYRA - ¡Una buena noticia!
 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:02:04 -0400

 William dejame explicarte algo:

 Cuando dicen que no hagas top-posting (no se porque diablos les gusta hablar 
 en ingles y no en español donde no habrá equivocos)

 Es que no respondas encima del mensaje, sino que realices las respuestas 
 debajo del mensaje. Para mi es más incomodo, pero como estoy en una lista 
 simplemente trato de acogerme a ellas.

 | ISMAEL |
  Saludos

 | ISMAEL |

 Gracias Ismael .
 si lo sabia , lo que pasa es que me acostumbro aun a eso.
 Solo me queda decirte que : !A respetar las reglas! y como tu dices acogerse 
 a ellas.

 saludos 
 William 

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Problema con networkmanager debian testing

Hola buenas, estoy migrando otro portatil de opensuse kde a debian
testing kde. He cambiado en Networkmanager.conf el managed a true y el
caso es que por cable si puedo administrar bien la red pero con el
wifi no me deja habilitarlo para buscar redes:

Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
using nl80211 for WiFi device control
Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
driver supports Access Point (AP) mode
Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
new 802.11 WiFi device (driver: 'iwlwifi' ifindex: 3)
Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
exported as /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/1
Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
device state change: unmanaged - unavailable (reason 'managed') [10
20 2]
Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
bringing up device.
Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
deactivating device (reason 'managed') [2]

Estoy buscando en google pero tengo todo configurado igual que tengo
el debian que pase del curro de opensuse kde a debian kde.

Gracias por adelantado.

Saludos.


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Re: Problema con networkmanager debian testing

El día 5 de octubre de 2013 00:46, Maykel Franco
maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola buenas, estoy migrando otro portatil de opensuse kde a debian
 testing kde. He cambiado en Networkmanager.conf el managed a true y el
 caso es que por cable si puedo administrar bien la red pero con el
 wifi no me deja habilitarlo para buscar redes:

 Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
 using nl80211 for WiFi device control
 Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
 driver supports Access Point (AP) mode
 Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
 new 802.11 WiFi device (driver: 'iwlwifi' ifindex: 3)
 Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
 exported as /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/1
 Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
 device state change: unmanaged - unavailable (reason 'managed') [10
 20 2]
 Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
 bringing up device.
 Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
 deactivating device (reason 'managed') [2]

 Estoy buscando en google pero tengo todo configurado igual que tengo
 el debian que pase del curro de opensuse kde a debian kde.

 Gracias por adelantado.

 Saludos.


Siento el correo chicos, ya lo he solucionado...Resulta que tengo una
opcion en la bios del portatil que lo active para que cuando conecte
el cable de red, deshabilite la interfaz wifi y viceversa, si
descoencto el cable de red se habilita el wifi.

Gracias y siento la consulta, alomejor a alguien este problema le puede ayudar.

Saludos.


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RE: como redirecciono puerto con iptables en chan POSTROUTING o luego de las reglas de filter?

2013-10-04 Thread dus

NO entiendo bien la problemática porque no puedo leer tranquilo desde el
trabajo pero, simple vista te diría  que POSTROUTING va con -o, entonces
seria:

 # iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -s 25.100.12.191 -o eth0 -p tcp
--dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 445

Además te lo está diciendo el mismo mensaje de error.

Suerte!

-Mensaje original-
De: Flako [mailto:subfo...@gmail.com] 
Enviado el: jueves, 03 de octubre de 2013 02:57 p.m.
Para: Lista Debian
Asunto: como redirecciono puerto con iptables en chan POSTROUTING o luego de
las reglas de filter?

Hola
   Necesito hacer que iptables permita la salida a conexiones https para
un grupo de ip destino  y que para todas las otras direcciones destino
redireccione  a un puerto especifico (443 - 445) donde hay un httpd que va
a mostrar una pagina predefinida de error.
   Las configuradas son eth0 - LAN y ppp0 - Internet

Por ejemplo, tengo un filtro que permite salir a la ip 25.100.12.191 vía
https a 4 IPs.

3035 620 85219 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 ppp0 25.100.12.191 161.164.249.19 tcp
dpt:443
3037 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 ppp0 25.100.12.191 173.194.42.42 tcp dpt:443
3039 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 ppp0 25.100.12.191 173.194.42.43 tcp dpt:443
3041 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 ppp0 25.100.12.191 173.194.42.44 tcp dpt:443

Primero probé con
  iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 20.10.12.191 -i eth0 -p tcp --dport
443 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 445

  Esto hace correctamente el redireccionamiento y muestra la pagina de
error, pero como se analiza antes de tabla 'filter'  siempre direcciona para
cualquier petición https y no deja acceder a los ip indicados

  Leyendo documentación creo que lo tengo que hacer un
redireccionamiento con con la chan POSTROUTING en las tablas mangle o nat,
pero no he logrado escribir la sintaxis correcta., de lo que he probado
generalmente indica errores como:

 # iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -s 25.100.12.191 -i eth0 -p tcp
--dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 445
  iptables v1.3.5: Can't use -i with POSTROUTING

  he probado muchas combinaciones, pero la verdad que me pierdo con la
sintaxis..

 Como debería escribir el comando para poder crear un redireccionamiento
en POSTROUTING o hacer el redireccionamiento después de del añiláis de
'filter'

  Gracias


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Diferencia entre paquete conky y conky-all

La verdad es que estoy un poco confuso, no hacen los dos realmente lo
mismo?? Sin embargo uno no depende del otro como  dependencia en la
instalación, ni viceversa...

Dónde puedo mirar realmente la diferencia entre ellos?? Lo digo porque
con el aptitude show paquete veo practicamente la misma
descripción...

Gracias.

Saludos.


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Re: Repositorios para debian testing

El día 2 de octubre de 2013 18:02, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Wed, 02 Oct 2013 17:48:19 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

 El día 2 de octubre de 2013 17:43, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 (...)

 Probastes alguna vez k9copy?? Me encantaba que pena que se haya
 descontinuado.

 No, no lo probé... hace años, cuando aún estaba con openSUSE y KDE 3.5
 y quería volcar un DVD comercial para hacer (ejem, ejem...) la
 preceptiva copia de seguridad, lo que hacía era convertirlo a imagen
 ISO con K3B y después ya podía grabarlo en otro DVD.

 Y por cierto... je, parece que K3B también permite ripear los DVD:

 How to rip a DVD and encode it into an MPEG-4 AVI with K3B
 http://k3b.plainblack.com/videoencoding

 Pero pasarlo a iso eso también te lo permitía dd o ddrescue??

 Sí, pero por aquella época (y ahora tampoco, la verdad...) no me sentía a
 gusto jugando con dd O:-)

 Y para rematar:

 http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Backup_a_DVD

 (creo que hemos hablado ya de casi todos los de la lista)

 Saludos,

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Gracias por todo. Al final he usado handbrake(me parece buenisimo)
aunque el container soportado de destino solo es mp4 o mkv, pero luego
con avidemux lo puedes pasar a avi si es necesario.

Me encanta handbrake, hace justo lo que necesito y tiene las opciones
perfectas. Inclusive, puedes aumentarle los decibelios ya que algunos
.iso de los dvd viene el sonido muy bajo. Perfecto.

Saludos.


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RE: Problema con networkmanager debian testing[SOLUCIONADO]]

 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 00:48:52 +0200
 Subject: Re: Problema con networkmanager debian testing
 From: maykeldeb...@gmail.com
 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org

 El día 5 de octubre de 2013 00:46, Maykel Franco
 maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió:
  Hola buenas, estoy migrando otro portatil de opensuse kde a debian
  testing kde. He cambiado en Networkmanager.conf el managed a true y el
  caso es que por cable si puedo administrar bien la red pero con el
  wifi no me deja habilitarlo para buscar redes:

  Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
  using nl80211 for WiFi device control
  Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
  driver supports Access Point (AP) mode
  Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
  new 802.11 WiFi device (driver: 'iwlwifi' ifindex: 3)
  Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
  exported as /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/1
  Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
  device state change: unmanaged - unavailable (reason 'managed') [10
  20 2]
  Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
  bringing up device.
  Oct  5 02:31:09 debian-maykel NetworkManager[3218]: info (wlan0):
  deactivating device (reason 'managed') [2]

  Estoy buscando en google pero tengo todo configurado igual que tengo
  el debian que pase del curro de opensuse kde a debian kde.

  Gracias por adelantado.

  Saludos.

 Siento el correo chicos, ya lo he solucionado...Resulta que tengo una
 opcion en la bios del portatil que lo active para que cuando conecte
 el cable de red, deshabilite la interfaz wifi y viceversa, si
 descoencto el cable de red se habilita el wifi.

 Gracias y siento la consulta, alomejor a alguien este problema le puede 
 ayudar.

 Saludos.

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Re: Diferencia entre paquete conky y conky-all

2013-10-04 Thread Marcos Delgado

El día 4 de octubre de 2013 21:02, Maykel Franco
maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió:
La verdad es que estoy un poco confuso, no hacen los dos realmente lo
mismo?? Sin embargo uno no depende del otro como dependencia en la
instalación, ni viceversa...

Dónde puedo mirar realmente la diferencia entre ellos?? Lo digo porque
con el aptitude show paquete veo practicamente la misma
descripción...

Gracias.

Saludos.

aptitude show conky
Paquete: conky
Nuevo: sí
Estado: sin instalar
Versión: 1.9.0-3
Prioridad: extra
Sección: oldlibs
Desarrollador: Vincent Cheng vincentc1...@gmail.com
Arquitectura: all
Tamaño sin comprimir: 36.9 k
Depende de: conky-std | conky-cli | conky-all
Descripción: highly configurable system monitor (transitional package)
Conky is a system monitor that can display just about anything,
either on your root desktop or in its own window. Conky has
many built-in objects, as well as the ability to execute external
programs or scripts (either external or through built-in
lua support).

This is a dummy package to ease transition to the new packaging
scheme. It may be safely removed after upgrade/installation.
Página principal: http://conky.sourceforge.net/

Ahí lo dice: Dummy package

Saludos.
Marcos Delgado.

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Re: keysigning i aften på cafe Pixie, Østerbro, København

2013-10-04 Thread Ross Gammon

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On 10/03/2013 01:46 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
 Hej danske Debian-brugere,
 
 Der er uformelt Debian-træf i aften fra kl. 20:00 på cafe Pixie på
  Østerbro i København.
 
 Anledningen er at Andrew McMillan, Debian-udvikler fra New Zealand,
 er på lynvisit i byen, og det passer sammen med at jeg kan lægge
 turen forbi fra min hule på Orø.
 

Sorry I missed you Jonas,
I was at my Danish lesson and did not get the mail.
Next time!
Ross
ex-Aussie
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Re: Re: Contribuir com o Debian e comigo mesmo como programador

2013-10-04 Thread Rodolfo

Básico de empacotamento é configurar os path dos files do programa em
questao, e depois compilá-lo. Em suma conhecer o objeto de cada estrutura
de diretorios do SO. Corrigir bugs somente se voce for o criador, mas nada
impede de voce corrigi-los também. Acho que isso é livre ao mantenedor.


Em 3 de outubro de 2013 17:45, Bruno Maximo e Melo
brunoso...@gmail.comescreveu:

 E o que seria algo básico no empacotamento do Debian? Acredito que se eu
 me disponho a manter um pacote tenho que corrigir os bugs nele, não faço
 ideia de como fazer isso.


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[OFF-TOPIC] Cpanel

2013-10-04 Thread Jacques Teixeira

Pesssoal, alguem já efetuo instalação do Cpanel , estava lendo na
documentação que tem que ter um ip valido, minha duvida, eu sou obriado a
ter esse ip no meu servidor interno? outra duvida é se o nome do host
também tem que ser o do domínio valido?

Desde já agradeço.


att
Jacques Teixeira

É dia de ser feliz

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Re: Re: Contribuir com o Debian e comigo mesmo como programador

2013-10-04 Thread China

Cara, tudo o que você precisa saber está aqui:

http://www.debian.org/devel/

Depois de ler tudo e concordar com tudo, você pode passar a se dedicar
mais a esta página:

http://www.debian.org/devel/join/

Depois de começar, você pode partir para esta página

http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint

Até aqui você já estará enturmado.

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brunoso...@gmail.com escreveu:
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 me disponho a manter um pacote tenho que corrigir os bugs nele, não faço
 ideia de como fazer isso.


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ia32-libs Paketinin Yüklenmesi

2013-10-04 Thread Gökhan Öztürk

Selamlar. Bilgisayarıma Google Earth kurmak istiyorum. Gecen yıllarda google 
sitesinden debian/ubuntu 64 bit olan paketi indirip dpkg ile sorunsuz 
kurmustum. Ancak bu sefer kurmak istediğim de şu hatayı verdi ; 


dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-earth-stable:
 google-earth-stable depends on ia32-libs; however:
  Package ia32-libs is not installed.

Galiba ia32-libs paketi kurulu olmadığı için böyle bir hata verdi. Ancak bu 
paketi kurmak istediğim de konsole ekranı şöyle çıktı veriyor.

root@Asus:/home/reveler# apt-get install ia32-libs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a 
solution).

Re: ia32-libs Paketinin Yüklenmesi

2013-10-04 Thread Semetey Coşkun

Merhabalar,

apt-get -f install

Önerisi ve akabinde

apt-get update  apt-get upgrade

işe yarayabilir. *Güncellenmesini istemediğiniz uygulamanız varsa
kullanmayınız.*
*
*
Bu konutlarla hata  alırsanız buraya geçiniz.


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 Selamlar. Bilgisayarıma Google Earth kurmak istiyorum. Gecen yıllarda
 google sitesinden debian/ubuntu 64 bit olan paketi indirip dpkg ile
 sorunsuz kurmustum. Ancak bu sefer kurmak istediğim de şu hatayı verdi ;

 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-earth-stable:
  google-earth-stable depends on ia32-libs; however:
   Package ia32-libs is not installed.

 Galiba ia32-libs paketi kurulu olmadığı için böyle bir hata verdi. Ancak
 bu paketi kurmak istediğim de konsole ekranı şöyle çıktı veriyor.

 root@Asus:/home/reveler# apt-get install ia32-libs
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable
 E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
 specify a solution).




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2013-10-04 Thread Gökhan Öztürk

Şimdi denedim kuruluyor. Ama ne yaptığımı tam olarak anlamadım. Debian wheezy 
amd 64 bit kullanıyorum. Şimdi ise kullandığım sistemi 32 bite mi çevirdim ?




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Selam,

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Gökhan Öztürk reveler...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Selamlar. Bilgisayarıma Google Earth kurmak istiyorum. Gecen yıllarda google
 sitesinden debian/ubuntu 64 bit olan paketi indirip dpkg ile sorunsuz
 kurmustum. Ancak bu sefer kurmak istediğim de şu hatayı verdi ;

 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-earth-stable:
  google-earth-stable depends on ia32-libs; however:
   Package ia32-libs is not installed.

 Galiba ia32-libs paketi kurulu olmadığı için böyle bir hata verdi. Ancak bu
 paketi kurmak istediğim de konsole ekranı şöyle çıktı veriyor.

 root@Asus:/home/reveler# apt-get install ia32-libs
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable
 E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify
 a solution).

Multiarch'ı enable etmeniz gerekiyor:

dpkg --add-architecture i386
apt-get update

apt-get install ia32-libs

komutlarını dener misiniz?



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Re: ia32-libs Paketinin Yüklenmesi

2013-10-04 Thread Semetey Coşkun

Sistemin mimarisi değişmemiş oldu.

Varsayılan olarak sistem 64 bit ise uygulamalar 64 bit olarak, sistem 32
bit ise uygulamalar 32 bit olarak kurulur. Fakat 64 bit sistemler, 32 bit
uygulamaları çalıştırılabiliyor.

Yaptığınız konfigürasyon ile sisteme; 64 bitsin ama 32 bit uygulama
kurmana izin veriyorum demiş oldunuz. Sisteme 32 bit mimariyi eklememk
için --force-architecture parametresi ile de kurulum denenebilirdi. Bu bir
dpkg parametresi ama apt-get için de geçerli olabilir ya da bir muadili
olabilir belki.

İyi çalışmalar.

2013/10/4 Selçuk Mıynat selcukmiy...@gmail.com

Selam,

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Gökhan Öztürk reveler...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Selamlar. Bilgisayarıma Google Earth kurmak istiyorum. Gecen yıllarda
google
sitesinden debian/ubuntu 64 bit olan paketi indirip dpkg ile sorunsuz
kurmustum. Ancak bu sefer kurmak istediğim de şu hatayı verdi ;

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-earth-stable:
google-earth-stable depends on ia32-libs; however:
Package ia32-libs is not installed.

Galiba ia32-libs paketi kurulu olmadığı için böyle bir hata verdi. Ancak
bu
paketi kurmak istediğim de konsole ekranı şöyle çıktı veriyor.

root@Asus:/home/reveler# apt-get install ia32-libs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
specify
a solution).

Multiarch'ı enable etmeniz gerekiyor:

dpkg --add-architecture i386
apt-get update
apt-get install ia32-libs

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2013-10-04 Thread Gökhan Öztürk

64 bit sistemde 32 bit paketleride kullanabilmek çok güzel birşey :) Tesekkürler

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Sistemin mimarisi değişmemiş oldu.

Varsayılan olarak sistem 64 bit ise uygulamalar 64 bit olarak, sistem 32 bit
ise uygulamalar 32 bit olarak kurulur. Fakat 64 bit sistemler, 32 bit
uygulamaları çalıştırılabiliyor.

Yaptığınız konfigürasyon ile sisteme; 64 bitsin ama 32 bit uygulama kurmana
izin veriyorum demiş oldunuz. Sisteme 32 bit mimariyi eklememk için
--force-architecture parametresi ile de kurulum denenebilirdi. Bu bir dpkg
parametresi ama apt-get için de geçerli olabilir ya da bir muadili olabilir
belki.

İyi çalışmalar.

2013/10/4 Selçuk Mıynat selcukmiy...@gmail.com

Selam,

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Gökhan Öztürk reveler...@yahoo.com wrote:

Selamlar. Bilgisayarıma Google Earth kurmak istiyorum. Gecen yıllarda google
sitesinden debian/ubuntu 64 bit olan paketi indirip dpkg ile sorunsuz
kurmustum. Ancak bu sefer kurmak istediğim de şu hatayı verdi ;

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-earth-stable:
google-earth-stable depends on ia32-libs; however:
Package ia32-libs is not installed.

Galiba ia32-libs paketi kurulu olmadığı için böyle bir hata verdi. Ancak bu
paketi kurmak istediğim de konsole ekranı şöyle çıktı veriyor.

Multiarch'ı enable etmeniz gerekiyor:

dpkg --add-architecture i386
apt-get update
apt-get install ia32-libs

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Re: Debian installer and raid0

2013-10-04 Thread Francesco Pietra


 recall that it has been added with Wheezy.  But let me put forward
 that it doesn't really matter.  If you have RAID then you know you
 want grub on both disks.  After installing simply run the grub install
 script against both disks manually and then you will be assured that
 it has been installed on both disks.


I had problems with that methodology and was unable to detect my error.
From a thread on debian dated Mar 2, 2013:

 I carried out a reinstall of amd64 wheezy
 on the machine with new HD. md0 (boot, ext20, md1 (LVM, home, usr,
 etc). GRUB came installed on /dev/sda only

 Then the command

 grub-install /dev/sdb
  was reported by complete installation. No error, no warning.

 On rebooting, GRUB was no more found. Then entering in

 grub rescue 

 prefix/root/ were now wrong.


Now I am in the same situation, two servers with mirroring raid, grub on
/dev/sda only. Identical data on both servers to cope with grub on one disk
only. Not smart from my side.



 I agree with the other responder.  It is unlikely IMNHO that you want
 RAID0 (striping) for the system disk.  You most likely want RAID1
 (mirroring) instead.  The answer above is the same regardless.  If you
 are thinking striping for performance instead I recommend using an SSD
 for the system disk.


Ah! my mistake. Sure, raid1 (mirroring)

thanks
francesco


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:

 Francesco Pietra wrote:
  Did you use a recent version of the installer? What I would like to know
 -
  before reinstalling everything on my servers - is whether the option to
 set
  grub on both disks of raid 0 has now been introduced.

 I recall that it has been added with Wheezy.  But let me put forward
 that it doesn't really matter.  If you have RAID then you know you
 want grub on both disks.  After installing simply run the grub install
 script against both disks manually and then you will be assured that
 it has been installed on both disks.

 I agree with the other responder.  It is unlikely IMNHO that you want
 RAID0 (striping) for the system disk.  You most likely want RAID1
 (mirroring) instead.  The answer above is the same regardless.  If you
 are thinking striping for performance instead I recommend using an SSD
 for the system disk.

 Bob

Re: Re (2): Multiplicity of accounts.

Should I add to the confusion?

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 10/3/2013 8:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
wrote:

On 10/2/2013 12:24 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:

From: Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 15:30:26 +0900

[...]

And accessing your bank logged in as the same user that you use to
surf random sites is one of the primary causes of leaked bank account
numbers and passwords.

The banking information is stored in a cookie. Subsequently a site
other
than the bank is allowed to read the cookie? A failure of the browser.
Correct? Prior to studying this thoroughly, I might stick to personal
banking.

Not if your browser is working properly. Cookies can only be sent to the
domain which originated them (and, depending on the cookie options,
subdomains of the main domain).

subdomains.

And too many places, bank sites included, outsource parts of their
sites. Particularly ad-related stuff.

It doesn't matter if they outsource parts of their sites. Those outsourced
sites will have different domains, and the cookies cannot be sent to them.

You must be looking at the page source code of different banks than I am.

And no bank would be stupid enough to create a subdomain and hand it over to
some unknown entity. They wouldn't be in business for long if they did.

Banks should be smart enough to not use flash on any part of any page
where they have people logging in. Maybe there are some that are, but
there sure are many that aren't.

I play it safe and limit logging in to my bank to a user that does
nothing but logging into that bank. Hey, it's my computer, I can add
users all I like.

Which doesn't make any difference because that's not where the leaks occur.

Huh?

I mean a user on my computer. Dedicated to one bank. Reduces the odds
that a drive-by from, say, a song lyrics site, will still be sitting
in my browser when I visit the bank. If a drive-by does get root,
there's no help for that, but at least I can protect myself from the
drive-bys that only get local access.

And I try to avoid logging in to the bank, but the bank sometimes
requires me to log in to do certain things, now.

I would hope they require logging in to do *anything* with your accounts.

I was thinking of things that you used to be able to do at the teller
window in the physical bank, which they now charge service charges
for, but are free if you do them from an ATM or over the web.

I was assuming that much would be understood, since we are talking
about protecting passwords and such things. Guess I should have tried
to make that a little more clear.

But too many people use the same userid/password for multiple sites, and
a
security problem on one site can expose those userids/passwords. This
makes
it easy for a hacker to access one's banking account.

I use online banking all the time. But I have a unique userid/password
combination on each of my accounts. These are long, non-obvious, known
only
to me and not stored on any computer.

That's important, too. Which means that the problem here is getting
used to manage more than a few userids and passwords, and most people
are intimidated by what it takes to get that experience.

It's not all that hard if you come up with a system. For instance, take a
phrase you know very well, i.e To be, or not to be: that is the question.
Take the first character of each word (numeric homonyms become numbers), to
get 2bon2btitq. If the first word starts with a-m, capitalize the
odd-numbered letters; otherwise capitalize the even numbered letters. So
you get 2BoN2BtItQ.

(You might not want to use a phrase quite that well known, but it is only an
example).

Different phrases for different sites. Even of someone gets one password,
they won't be able to guess passwords on other sites.
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/524d70c0.7080...@attglobal.net

You have your techniques and I have mine and we can handle more than
one password, so why shouldn't we be able to handle more than one user
id?

But this thread was originally talking about why sharing a file on a
computer between multiple users take so much thought and effort and
using less familiar tools, like chown and chgrp and groupadd and
useradd.

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Debian-LAN: installing a complete network environment

2013-10-04 Thread Andreas B. Mundt

Hi all,

I would like to point your attention to the Debian-LAN project [1].

Debian-LAN is an approach to simplify installing a complete kerberized
network environment made of Debian machines.  It might be used for
schools, small enterprises, associations, (university) work groups or
to install complex test environments.

Debian-LAN provides a way to install a server and various workstation
profiles [2] by providing a FAI [3] config space for the setup.

The system has been presented on DebConf13, slides and recordings are
available [4].  The code is in wheezy-backports [5] or on alioth [6].

If you run systems as described above, give Debian-LAN a try!
Comments and contributions are of course welcome.

Best regards,

 Andi


[1] URL:https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLAN
[2] URL:https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLAN/Setup_A#Machine_Types
[3] URL:http://fai-project.org/
[4] URL:http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/events/962.en.html
[5] URL:http://packages.debian.org/source/stable-backports/debian-lan-config
The system's target is always the latest stable Debian release.
[6] URL:http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/debian-lan.git


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Re: Re (3): Multiplicity of accounts.

I'm feeling talkative today:

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:20 AM, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote:
 Jerry Stuckle writes:
 Plus, this being a Debian list, there are few Linux virii and trojans
 out there.

 Can you name any?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

which came up when I did a Google search on linux malware.

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Re: Building computer

2013-10-04 Thread Paul Cartwright

On 10/03/2013 05:11 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 No apology necessary.  I'm on many open lists (LKML) where hitting
 reply-to-list only goes to the sender.  So I've been guilty myself a few
 times.
  
so that is list specific... I wondered, because sometimes I hit reply 
it goes to the person, other times it goes to the list.. Thunderbird..

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Re: Re (3): Multiplicity of accounts.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:47 AM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:27:28 -0400
... [local user compromise(?) is] not where the leaks occur.

If someone can review the greatest hazards or give a link to
a document, that would help many of us.

I posted this in another branch of this thread, but since it contains
some of the information you ask for, I'll post it here, too. It's a
starting point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

But basically, once you understand that a web browser is running
someone else's code on your machine, under the user id that the
browser is running under, which is the user id that you logged into
your machine with, well, imagination is the limit. There is no
greatest hazard to protect yourself from and then feel comfortable.

I'm trying to work up a set of blogs that explain some best practices,
but there aren't really any best practices that are effective right
now.

Well, refraining from surfing the web logged in to the user that you
do your bank business with is probably good enough for many people,
but you have to consider what packages you have loaded, what kinds,
how many, who packages them for you.

I would not do bank business using a computer running Wine. It's not
that I remember specific vulnerabilities in Wine, but Wine is
providing libraries that allow MSWindows binaries to run. That means
that some MSWindows Malware will run if you click the link in the
e-mail. Running as a non-root user may help limit the damage to the
local user, but there may be an escalation path.

One thing I'm thinking about is buying an ARM chromebook, wiping
Chrome, and installing Debian, and keeping that as the dedicated bank
browser machine. You probably don't have to go that far at this point
in time, but you need to keep a log of what hits your router and what
gets through (both sides) to have an idea of how safe your local LAN
is.

[Managing userids and passwords] not all that hard if you come up with a
system.

Clever idea. My system wasn't so simple and effective.

Once you understand the idea of making things memorable to yourself,
and learn to think about the memes floating around and how passwords
should avoid them, there are quite a few tricks.

I personally just leetspeak nonsense or semi-nonsense phrases. I used
to use something like wiredvibes, leetspoke, for an admin account
because wired reminded me of the network. (That password was retired
many years ago.)

The initial letters of a line or lyric you know, as Jerry suggested,
is another one, but I'd use the second letters at least in some cases,
and I'd avoid the more well known lines from well-known literature. To
be or not to be is probably now in the cracking dictionaries in
several forms, including leetspeak. And well-known quotes from Star
Trek or The Matrix will also likely end up in such dictionaries at
some point or other.

If you are likely to have an attack directed specifically at you,
avoid personal information. Don't use, for instance, the name of your
dog in combination with a family member's name. (For several reasons.)
And you should probably also avoid swear words or the names of deity,
especially words that you tend to use regularly. Memes, you see.

Thanks, ... Peter E.

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www.mototemat.pl - blogi pasjonatów motoryzacji, podziel się swoją pasją

2013-10-04 Thread Witam

mototemat.pl ( http://mototemat.pl/ ) to platforma hostingowa przeznaczona do 
zakładania
i prowadzenia blogów o tematyce motoryzacyjnej.
Czy to ciekawy film na youtube, premiera nowego modelu, przepisy ruchu 
drogowego itd.
Teraz i ty możesz zostać komentatorem motoryzacji- założenie bloga jest
bardzo proste.
To miejsce gdzie dochodzi do wymiany myśli i debaty na motoryzacyjne
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Re: Re (2): Multiplicity of accounts.

2013-10-04 Thread Jerry Stuckle



On 10/4/2013 5:10 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
 Should I add to the confusion?

 On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle 
jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:

 On 10/3/2013 8:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
 wrote:

 On 10/2/2013 12:24 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:


 From:   Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
 Date:   Wed, 2 Oct 2013 15:30:26 +0900


 [...]


 And accessing your bank logged in as the same user that you use to
 surf random sites is one of the primary causes of leaked bank 
account

 numbers and passwords.



 The banking information is stored in a cookie.  Subsequently a site
 other
 than the bank is allowed to read the cookie?  A failure of the 
browser.
 Correct?  Prior to studying this thoroughly, I might stick to 
personal

 banking.


 Not if your browser is working properly.  Cookies can only be sent 
to the

 domain which originated them (and, depending on the cookie options,
 subdomains of the main domain).


 subdomains.

 And too many places, bank sites included, outsource parts of their
 sites. Particularly ad-related stuff.


 It doesn't matter if they outsource parts of their sites.  Those 
outsourced
 sites will have different domains, and the cookies cannot be sent to 
them.


 You must be looking at the page source code of different banks than I am.


What banks do you know outsource subdomains to someone else?

 And no bank would be stupid enough to create a subdomain and hand it 
over to

 some unknown entity.  They wouldn't be in business for long if they did.

 Banks should be smart enough to not use flash on any part of any page
 where they have people logging in. Maybe there are some that are, but
 there sure are many that aren't.


So what?  If they wrote the flash code, they know whether it is safe or not.

Just because it is flash does not in itself say whether the code is safe 
or not.


And once again, even if it flash from an advertiser on another domain, 
it will not be able to harvest your userid/password.


 I play it safe and limit logging in to my bank to a user that does
 nothing but logging into that bank. Hey, it's my computer, I can add
 users all I like.

 Which doesn't make any difference because that's not where the leaks 
occur.


 Huh?

 I mean a user on my computer. Dedicated to one bank. Reduces the odds
 that a drive-by from, say, a song lyrics site, will still be sitting
 in my browser when I visit the bank. If a drive-by does get root,
 there's no help for that, but at least I can protect myself from the
 drive-bys that only get local access.


Which still makes no difference, because the lyrics site will not be 
able to read information from your banking site.


 And I try to avoid logging in to the bank, but the bank sometimes
 requires me to log in to do certain things, now.


 I would hope they require logging in to do *anything* with your 
accounts.


 I was thinking of things that you used to be able to do at the teller
 window in the physical bank, which they now charge service charges
 for, but are free if you do them from an ATM or over the web.

 I was assuming that much would be understood, since we are talking
 about protecting passwords and such things. Guess I should have tried
 to make that a little more clear.


My bank doesn't charge for doing things at the teller window.  Neither 
does my wife's.  Maybe it's time to change banks.


 But too many people use the same userid/password for multiple 
sites, and

 a
 security problem on one site can expose those userids/passwords.  This
 makes
 it easy for a hacker to access one's banking account.

 I use online banking all the time.  But I have a unique 
userid/password
 combination on each of my accounts.  These are long, non-obvious, 
known

 only
 to me and not stored on any computer.


 That's important, too. Which means that the problem here is getting
 used to manage more than a few userids and passwords, and most people
 are intimidated by what it takes to get that experience.


 It's not all that hard if you come up with a system.  For instance, 
take a
 phrase you know very well, i.e To be, or not to be: that is the 
question.
 Take the first character of each word (numeric homonyms become 
numbers), to

 get 2bon2btitq.  If the first word starts with a-m, capitalize the
 odd-numbered letters; otherwise capitalize the even numbered 
letters.  So

 you get 2BoN2BtItQ.

 (You might not want to use a phrase quite that well known, but it is 
only an

 example).

 Different phrases for different sites.  Even of someone gets one 
password,

 they won't be able to guess passwords on other sites.
 Archive: http://lists.debian.org/524d70c0.7080...@attglobal.net

 You have your techniques and I have mine and we can handle more than
 one password, so why shouldn't we be able to handle more than one user
 id?


I didn't say you couldn't use another userid.  All I said was it adds 
nothing to your security.  If you use the same

Re: bind9

2013-10-04 Thread pch0317

I found in /var/log/daemon.log that not all zone are in view brackets. I 
solve the problem.

Thanks

On 10/03/2013 08:41 PM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:

Hi

On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 07:28:46PM +0200, Pawe?? Ch. wrote:

Hi list

I install bind9 server on debian (https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9). When I add
named.conf.log entries bind9 can't start. Before adding log entries bind work
correctly.

Without more information, diagnostics is guesswork at best

What error message do you get in /var/log/daemon.log?

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Re: Re: Re: VLC freezes system

2013-10-04 Thread Anubhav Yadav

I am using Nvidia GeForce GT 630 MB 2 gb graphics card, and I have
installed the drivers of the same from
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22

It is optimus enabled so I installed bumblebee for the driver. 

The video is mp4 format. 
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gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g

2013-10-04 Thread Marko Randjelovic

I have a strange problem. The command is not working. If use ordinary sudo or 
epiphany, then it does work. 

gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g # does not work
gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/epiphany-browser -g # works
sudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g # works

In terminal, when I run those commands with links, elinks, links2 (with or 
without -g), prompt disappears and as i press keys characters appear in the 
terminal. At first run, Welcome screen shows, but again no keys have no effect. 
After CTRL+C, only gksudo process disappears, and other 2 remain.

Does someone have an idea why could this work like this?

Distribution is Squeeze. In Wheezy it's the same, but CTRL+C kills all 
processes.


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Re: Debian installer and raid0

2013-10-04 Thread Bob Proulx

Francesco Pietra wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
  After installing simply run the grub install script against both
  disks manually and then you will be assured that it has been
  installed on both disks.
 
 I had problems with that methodology and was unable to detect my error.
 From a thread on debian dated Mar 2, 2013:
 ...
  grub-install /dev/sdb
   was reported by complete installation. No error, no warning.
  On rebooting, GRUB was no more found. Then entering in
  grub rescue 
  prefix/root/ were now wrong.

If the command does not work on the command line then it won't work
from the installer either.  The installer is doing the same things
that you can do from the command line.  Therefore asking if it is in
the installer won't help.  Because if it doesn't work then it doesn't
work either place.  If it does work then it will work either place.
That is my conjecture at least.  And since I have been using this
feature I believe it does work.  Works for me anyway.

I have been using RAID1 for a long time and have not encountered the
problem you describe.  That doesn't mean that such an error doesn't
occur.  Just that I can't recreate it.  Or rather after much user have
never recreated it.  This applies to both the good grub version 1 as
well as the newer and IMNHO buggier grub version 2 rewrite.  They are
completely different from each other.  Statements made about one do
not apply to the other because it was a complete rewrite.  But it is
certainly possible that in your configuration that you have a case
that does not work.

I have a workbench with a variety of hardware.  When I want to test
something like this I construct a victim system in which to try the
action.  If you could do the same I think it would help to get to the
root cause of the problem.  I would create a victim machine with two
drives for installation testing.  Then test the installation.  After
install and reboot then shutdown, unplug one disk, test boot.  Do not
boot all of the way to the system.  Simply boot to the grub menu and
stop there.  Then power off, switch disks, and test boot again.  Do
not boot all of the way to the system.  Simply boot to the grub menu
and again stop there.  If you can get to the grub menu from either
disk then grub has been installed on both disks.  If not then plug
both disks in and boot the system and test the grub-install script on
the non-booting disk and then repeat the single disk boot.

The reason to only boot to the grub menu is of course so that the
RAID1 doesn't get split.  If booting with one disk and then the other
one disk it will get a split brain of course.  No real problem on a
victim machine.  But it is faster to keep them in sync.  So I only
boot to the grub menu when testing the grub boot code.  Avoiding
booting the system avoids splitting the raid unnecessarily and speeds
up the debugging.

By testing this way you can verify that you can boot either disk in
isolation after the other disk has failed.  By using a victim machine
you can experiment.  Then if you find a bug you will have a recipe to
recreate it and can file a bug report on it.  Being able to recreate
the problem is the most valuable part.

And here is the challenge.  I think if you do this you will find that
it does actually work.  But feel free to write back here and tell me
that I am wrong and that there is a problem with it. :-) As the great
Mark Twain wrote There is nothing so annoying as a good example.  If
you can get to a repeatable test case that fails that would be awesome.

 Now I am in the same situation, two servers with mirroring raid, grub on
 /dev/sda only. Identical data on both servers to cope with grub on one disk
 only. Not smart from my side.

Two servers so that you can switch your services from one server to
the other in case one of the servers cannot boot?

If you have two servers and one is the hot spare for the other then
perhaps after doing your own victim machine testing then you can
perform the fix on the spare and test there.  Then apply the fix to
the running server.  I think that should be a safe way to sneak up
on the solution.

Bob


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Re: gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g

2013-10-04 Thread Bob Proulx

Marko Randjelovic wrote:
 gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/epiphany-browser -g # works

Epiphany opens its own graphics window.  gksudo is designed for
applications like epiphany that open its own window.

 sudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g # works

Sure.  That just runs in the same terminal you started the command.
Nothing interesting there.

 gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g # does not work

Needs a terminal.  How can it work without one?  It can't.  Right at
this point is where thing went wrong for you.  links2 reads stdin and
writes stdout and expects TERM to tell it what type of terminal escape
sequences to use.  But you have asked gksudo to launch it into the
background.  That can't work.  You will end up with both your shell
and the links2 program reading from your keyboard at the same time.

 In terminal, when I run those commands with links, elinks, links2
 (with or without -g), prompt disappears and as i press keys
 characters appear in the terminal. At first run, Welcome screen
 shows, but again no keys have no effect. After CTRL+C, only gksudo
 process disappears, and other 2 remain.
 
 Does someone have an idea why could this work like this?

It is very similar to running:

  $ lynx 

Except that bash has job control and therefore will stop the process
upon SIGTTOU (Terminal output for background process) and prevent that
from happening.  Because it isn't something you would normally want as
you can see by your problems.  But if you can start a shell without
job control then you would find yourself in the same situation.

The answer is do not use gksu or gksudo on text programs.  For text
programs use su or sudo and run them in the current terminal window.

If you really want to run a text program but want it to launch in a
different terminal *and* want it to use the gksu/gksudo to have it run
as root then you must launch a terminal.  Have the terminal launch
your text application.

  gksudo -u user2 -g -- xterm -e links2

Feel free to use the terminal of your choice.  But specifying the
terminal and the command to run on that terminal makes the most sense
to me.  (Note in Debian the presense of x-terminal-emulator as a
system configured preferred default terminal.  See update-alternatives
--display x-terminal-emulator for more.)

The above all suffer from the problem of running the text browser as
root.  Why are you trying to do this?  I don't understand any benefit
from doing so.  And I see some problems with doing so.  Please say a
few words about what led you to doing it that way.  Since it is a web
browser it doesn't benefit you by running it as root.

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Re: gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g

2013-10-04 Thread Marko Randjelovic

  gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g # does not work
 
 Needs a terminal.  How can it work without one?  It can't.  Right at
 this point is where thing went wrong for you.  links2 reads stdin and
 writes stdout and expects TERM to tell it what type of terminal escape
 sequences to use.  But you have asked gksudo to launch it into the
 background.  That can't work.  You will end up with both your shell
 and the links2 program reading from your keyboard at the same time.

Contrary to sudo behavior, gksudo understood -g option as itself option
and not, as I expected, as option for links2 to enable graphics mode.

This works:

gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g

 The above all suffer from the problem of running the text browser as
 root.  Why are you trying to do this?  I don't understand any benefit
 from doing so.  And I see some problems with doing so.  Please say a
 few words about what led you to doing it that way.  Since it is a web
 browser it doesn't benefit you by running it as root.

I am not running it as root, user2 != root. There are many advantages
of running every task with separate user account. In general, you have
better control, because you can differentiate various tasks based on
running user. For example, you can tell iptables to allow port 80 from
web browser and not from other apps:

iptables -P OUTPUT DROP
iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m owner --uid-owner web -j ACCEPT

Another example, if an attacker gets your web user account, he won't be
able to read your emails.

So you will force him to get root privileges :) .

In fact, your question sounds like you asked: Why we have all those
user accounts in /etc/passwd since only root and normal user are
necessary :) 

 
 Bob

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Re: Building computer

2013-10-04 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 10/4/2013 4:44 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 On 10/03/2013 05:11 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 No apology necessary.  I'm on many open lists (LKML) where hitting
 reply-to-list only goes to the sender.  So I've been guilty myself a few
 times.
  
 so that is list specific... I wondered, because sometimes I hit reply 
 it goes to the person, other times it goes to the list.. Thunderbird..

This isn't an issue with TBird, or any MUA.  The clients simply
obey/honor the list headers.  For example:

X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/657649
List-Id: debian-user.lists.debian.org
List-Post: mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org
Precedence: list

The List-Post: header contains the list posting address.  When you hit
reply-to-list in TBird this is the address it selects for populating
the To: field in the reply.

If you reply to a message sent from a listserver that does not provide a
List-Post: header, then the address in the Reply-To: header is
inserted into the To: field of the reply.

Ergo, reply-to-list only works if a List-Post header is present.

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Re: gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g

2013-10-04 Thread Bob Proulx

Marko Randjelovic wrote:
   gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g # does not work
  
  Needs a terminal.  How can it work without one?  It can't.  Right at
  this point is where thing went wrong for you.  links2 reads stdin and
  writes stdout and expects TERM to tell it what type of terminal escape
  sequences to use.  But you have asked gksudo to launch it into the
  background.  That can't work.  You will end up with both your shell
  and the links2 program reading from your keyboard at the same time.
 
 Contrary to sudo behavior, gksudo understood -g option as itself option
 and not, as I expected, as option for links2 to enable graphics mode.

links2 has a -g option?  I did not know that.  I just assumed that the
-g was for gksudo -g,--disable-grab which disabled locking of the
keyboard, mouse, and focus by the program asking for the password.
Which is why in my example I moved it earlier in the command.

But with your comment I am looking at links2 and now see that links2
does have a -g option to run in graphics mode.  Sorry I didn't realize
that previously.  I thought links2 was like lynx, elinks, and w3m.
Meaning a pure text mode browser.

 This works:
 
 gksudo -u user2 /usr/bin/links2 -g

Yay!

With my misunderstanding of the intent cleared up the following works too:

  gksudo -u user2 -- links2 -g

The -- causes programs to stop parsing options.  Therefore gksudo
won't parse the -g as an option.  It will stop at the -- and then
the following will be the command verbatim.

Mostly I am chafing at having the full path /usr/bin/links2 in there
hard coded.  Hard coded paths like that are almost always bad.  Try it
without.  Even with the quoted form I think that is better.

  gksudo -u user2 links2 -g

  The above all suffer from the problem of running the text browser as
  root.  Why are you trying to do this?  I don't understand any benefit
  from doing so.  And I see some problems with doing so.  Please say a
  few words about what led you to doing it that way.  Since it is a web
  browser it doesn't benefit you by running it as root.
 
 I am not running it as root, user2 != root.

Darn on me.  I was pretty sure I had a reason for the original problem
and wanted to get a reply out and didn't spend the time to really read
the rest of the message in detail.  My bad.  You had said user2 which
obviously isn't root and it was my mistake that I didn't grok that
plain-to-see point.  Sorry.

 There are many advantages of running every task with separate user
 account. In general, you have better control, because you can
 differentiate various tasks based on running user.

Sure.  My comment had been purely about running commands as root.  But
you were not running as root.  My mistake.  Sorry.

 For example, you can tell iptables to allow port 80 from
 web browser and not from other apps:
 
 iptables -P OUTPUT DROP
 iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m owner --uid-owner web -j ACCEPT

Sure.  I don't prefer that type of restriction.  For me it isn't
practical.  For example I have an endless number of things that I want
to access the web.  I would be playing wack-a-mole with all of them
for a long time.  Such as apt's sources.list file.  Such as updating
spamassassin rules.  Such as many things.  But if that works for you
then that is great.  I am not trying to talk you out of it.

 Another example, if an attacker gets your web user account, he won't be
 able to read your emails.

If an attacker gets your web mail user account then they will probably
access that web account from a different system.

 So you will force him to get root privileges :) .

??  (He certainly doesn't need root.  He just needs to use a different
system.)  I read that three times and don't get the joke.  But that is
okay!  I don't need to understand it! :-)

 In fact, your question sounds like you asked: Why we have all those
 user accounts in /etc/passwd since only root and normal user are
 necessary :) 

Nope.  Nothing of that sort at all.  It was simply my misunderstanding
of the -u user2 part which was plainly written and certainly isn't
root.  Just too much in a hurry sometimes.

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Re: Re (2): Multiplicity of accounts.

Not top posting, just prefacing my comments:

Are we trying to educate the list in cracking techniques or in ways to
manage and mitigate the vulnerabilities?

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:

 On 10/4/2013 5:10 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
 Should I add to the confusion?

 On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
 wrote:
 On 10/3/2013 8:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
 wrote:

 On 10/2/2013 12:24 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:


 From:   Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
 Date:   Wed, 2 Oct 2013 15:30:26 +0900


 [...]


 And accessing your bank logged in as the same user that you use to
 surf random sites is one of the primary causes of leaked bank account
 numbers and passwords.



 The banking information is stored in a cookie.  Subsequently a site
 other
 than the bank is allowed to read the cookie?  A failure of the
 browser.
 Correct?  Prior to studying this thoroughly, I might stick to personal
 banking.


 Not if your browser is working properly.  Cookies can only be sent to
 the
 domain which originated them (and, depending on the cookie options,
 subdomains of the main domain).


 subdomains.

 And too many places, bank sites included, outsource parts of their
 sites. Particularly ad-related stuff.


 It doesn't matter if they outsource parts of their sites.  Those
 outsourced
 sites will have different domains, and the cookies cannot be sent to
 them.

 You must be looking at the page source code of different banks than I am.

 What banks do you know outsource subdomains to someone else?

Exposure here would only motivate the banks if they were reading this
mailing list.

Exposure here would only warn their customers if their customers, or
even their customers' friends, were reading this mailing list.

I don't think it would be responsible to name names here, do you?

However, for users of this list, trying to manage the vulnerabilities
they expose themselves to, the odds that your bank is using known
vulnerable techniques are high enough that you need to take some
effort to limit your own exposure.

 And no bank would be stupid enough to create a subdomain and hand it over
 to
 some unknown entity.  They wouldn't be in business for long if they did.

 Banks should be smart enough to not use flash on any part of any page
 where they have people logging in. Maybe there are some that are, but
 there sure are many that aren't.

 So what?  If they wrote the flash code, they know whether it is safe or not.

Do you know all the places the flash code you've written can break?

And Flash isn't the only place code fed to the browser can break the
browser, of course. Javascript, even Google's implementation, still
has vulnerabilities. Every plugin could break the browser, and
specific discussion of where browsers could break should be
unnecessary here. Unless you want me to teach the list cracking
techniques, which I'm inclined to try to avoid.

Calling the stuff HTML 5 did not fix all those, it just laid out a
framework within which a properly written HTML 5 compliant web page
can avoid the worst problems.

 Just because it is flash does not in itself say whether the code is safe or
 not.

I'll go with that the day the last vulnerability gets published. :-/

 And once again, even if it flash from an advertiser on another domain, it
 will not be able to harvest your userid/password.

In the ideal world. All it takes is a successful code injection to
break that, even when the domains are done right.

And the domains are too often done wrong. Describing how is not
appropriate here.

 I play it safe and limit logging in to my bank to a user that does
 nothing but logging into that bank. Hey, it's my computer, I can add
 users all I like.

 Which doesn't make any difference because that's not where the leaks
 occur.

 Huh?

 I mean a user on my computer. Dedicated to one bank. Reduces the odds
 that a drive-by from, say, a song lyrics site, will still be sitting
 in my browser when I visit the bank. If a drive-by does get root,
 there's no help for that, but at least I can protect myself from the
 drive-bys that only get local access.


 Which still makes no difference, because the lyrics site will not be able to
 read information from your banking site.

So, you want to explain Google's universal login to us?

Sure, it requires a certain level of incompetence to expose cookies,
but the incompetence is still (after about fifteen years) there,
because people want to share information, and they don't want to do it
the right way.

Which actually brings us back to the topic of this thread, the reason
for multiple user ids and group ids. You manage data by limiting its
use, and that means limiting the user processes that can access the
data. That means crafting groups or resorting to ACL-like stuff, and
ACL and that kind of thing are like leaving your store's cashbox
locked in the middle of

Re: Debian-LAN: installing a complete network environment

2013-10-04 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia

Wait, I know? L:et's have it do dynamic DNS, host authentication, and LDAP
based account management, too! And in 20 years, maybe it'll have 1/1000th
the number of users that the Samba suite has right now, for all of that,
especially including robust and tested Kerberos management with already
tested tools!

Sorry to rain on the parade, but Samba's been pretty good at this since
Samba was invented in the early 1990's, and it's pretty stable. It also
plays nicely with other well known network clients and protocols, such as
Windows based and Mac based clients, so there's really no need to re-invent
that wheel specifically in Debian. The Debian ports of Samba re up to date
and quite stable.




On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Andreas B. Mundt andi.mu...@web.de wrote:

 Hi all,

 I would like to point your attention to the Debian-LAN project [1].

 Debian-LAN is an approach to simplify installing a complete kerberized
 network environment made of Debian machines.  It might be used for
 schools, small enterprises, associations, (university) work groups or
 to install complex test environments.

 Debian-LAN provides a way to install a server and various workstation
 profiles [2] by providing a FAI [3] config space for the setup.

 The system has been presented on DebConf13, slides and recordings are
 available [4].  The code is in wheezy-backports [5] or on alioth [6].

 If you run systems as described above, give Debian-LAN a try!
 Comments and contributions are of course welcome.

 Best regards,

  Andi


 [1] URL:https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLAN
 [2] URL:https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLAN/Setup_A#Machine_Types
 [3] URL:http://fai-project.org/
 [4] URL:http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/events/962.en.html
 [5] URL:
 http://packages.debian.org/source/stable-backports/debian-lan-config
 The system's target is always the latest stable Debian release.
 [6] URL:http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/debian-lan.git


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Re: Re (2): Multiplicity of accounts.

2013-10-04 Thread Jerry Stuckle


On 10/4/2013 9:25 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

Not top posting, just prefacing my comments:

Are we trying to educate the list in cracking techniques or in ways to
manage and mitigate the vulnerabilities?

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:


On 10/4/2013 5:10 AM, Joel Rees wrote:

Should I add to the confusion?

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
wrote:

On 10/3/2013 8:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:


On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
wrote:


On 10/2/2013 12:24 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:



From:   Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
Date:   Wed, 2 Oct 2013 15:30:26 +0900



[...]




And accessing your bank logged in as the same user that you use to
surf random sites is one of the primary causes of leaked bank account
numbers and passwords.




The banking information is stored in a cookie.  Subsequently a site
other
than the bank is allowed to read the cookie?  A failure of the
browser.
Correct?  Prior to studying this thoroughly, I might stick to personal
banking.



Not if your browser is working properly.  Cookies can only be sent to
the
domain which originated them (and, depending on the cookie options,
subdomains of the main domain).



subdomains.

And too many places, bank sites included, outsource parts of their
sites. Particularly ad-related stuff.



It doesn't matter if they outsource parts of their sites.  Those
outsourced
sites will have different domains, and the cookies cannot be sent to
them.


You must be looking at the page source code of different banks than I am.


What banks do you know outsource subdomains to someone else?


Exposure here would only motivate the banks if they were reading this
mailing list.

Exposure here would only warn their customers if their customers, or
even their customers' friends, were reading this mailing list.

I don't think it would be responsible to name names here, do you?

However, for users of this list, trying to manage the vulnerabilities
they expose themselves to, the odds that your bank is using known
vulnerable techniques are high enough that you need to take some
effort to limit your own exposure.



If there were ANY bank which had to read this list to find out they were 
exposed, they need a new IT department.


I don't know about where you are - but here in the United States, they 
wouldn't get very far.  There are many layers of regulations and 
protections regarding banking security.  And any bank which had such 
security exposures as you claim would not be allowed to continue operations.


And no, I am VERY confident ANY bank I have dealt with knows how to 
manage vulnerabilities.  What makes you think otherwise?



And no bank would be stupid enough to create a subdomain and hand it over
to
some unknown entity.  They wouldn't be in business for long if they did.


Banks should be smart enough to not use flash on any part of any page
where they have people logging in. Maybe there are some that are, but
there sure are many that aren't.


So what?  If they wrote the flash code, they know whether it is safe or not.


Do you know all the places the flash code you've written can break?



Yes, I do.  I wrote it.

The problem is not the flash code breaking; it is hackers who make use 
of vulnerabilities in the flash base.


How much flash code have YOU written?


And Flash isn't the only place code fed to the browser can break the
browser, of course. Javascript, even Google's implementation, still
has vulnerabilities. Every plugin could break the browser, and
specific discussion of where browsers could break should be
unnecessary here. Unless you want me to teach the list cracking
techniques, which I'm inclined to try to avoid.



Banks don't use plugins, and javascript is pretty secure.  But again, 
the problem is not javascript - but it is the hacker's use of javascript 
to exploit vulnerabilities.  Those vulnerabilities are not cross-browser.


As for plugins - it's the same as any other program.  Only install 
plugins from sources you trust.



Calling the stuff HTML 5 did not fix all those, it just laid out a
framework within which a properly written HTML 5 compliant web page
can avoid the worst problems.



HTML is a scripting language.  Nothing more, nothing less.  It has 
nothing to do with security - as anyone who really understood it can 
tell you.



Just because it is flash does not in itself say whether the code is safe or
not.


I'll go with that the day the last vulnerability gets published. :-/



Once again, you don't understand the vulnerabilities.


And once again, even if it flash from an advertiser on another domain, it
will not be able to harvest your userid/password.


In the ideal world. All it takes is a successful code injection to
break that, even when the domains are done right.



And how are you going to get that code injection?


And the domains are too often done wrong. Describing how is not
appropriate here.



No,

Re: Debian-LAN: installing a complete network environment

2013-10-04 Thread Darko Gavrilovic

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
 Sorry to rain on the parade, but Samba's been pretty good at this since
 Samba was invented in the early 1990's, and it's pretty stable. It also
 plays nicely with other well known network clients and protocols, such as
 Windows based and Mac based clients, so there's really no need to re-invent
 that wheel specifically in Debian. The Debian ports of Samba re up to date
 and quite stable.

/snip

To each his own. I actually like the post and his project idea. Also,
claiming that Samba is the be all and end all to all enterprise client
scenarios out there is a little over stating it. On more a few times
have we have to drop Samba as it proved to be inadequate for the
situation.


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[OT] List software, duplicate mail, or not. (was ... Re: Building computer)

2013-10-04 Thread Chris Bannister

On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 05:44:44AM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 On 10/03/2013 05:11 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
  No apology necessary.  I'm on many open lists (LKML) where hitting
  reply-to-list only goes to the sender.  So I've been guilty myself a few
  times.
   
 so that is list specific... I wondered, because sometimes I hit reply 
 it goes to the person, other times it goes to the list.. Thunderbird..

I think it has been discussed before, but depending on the list software
used and the settings, if someone CC's you then you get a private mail
but not a list mail - it still goes to the list, it's just that *you*
don't get a copy!

It seems as though this started because people who are from Windows
might get confused with getting two copies of a mail!!!

A couple of times I recd a private email which was also addressed to a
list and deleted it (because it makes more sense to reply to the list,
obviously) but when I opened that list's mailbox -- it wasn't there!!

None of the Debian lists I am subscribed to have this serious problem.

There is a personal setting which you can change from your subscription
page, (you're given a password and reminded monthly what is is) which
you can toggle: (unfortunately, on some lists default is yes.)

(*) No
( ) Yes

Avoid duplicate copies of messages?

When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list
message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list.
Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to
receive copies.
-

Sorry to labour the point, but what is happening to logic in the world
today? 

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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing. --- Malcolm X


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