Re: dos preguntes debian testing i memòries usb
# usermod -G plugdev usuari Sort! On 11/10/2013, Ernest Adrogué nfdi...@gmail.com wrote: 11-10-2013, 21:00 (+0200); a...@probeta.net escriu: 1) A les noves debian testing que he instal.lat des de fa unes setmanes, quan insereixo una memòria usb o disc dur usb, els monta sense permisos d'escriptura. En realitat és curiós, perquè el disc dur usb formatejat NTFS el munta amb permisos d'escriptura, però les memòries usb formatejades amb FAT les munta sense permisos d'escriptura. No sembla problema del grup de l'usuari. Al fitxer /etc/fstab han aparegut unes línies que abans no hi eren, però que no crec que siguin el qid de la qüestió: cat /etc/fstab /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 autorw,user,noauto 0 0 Al disc dur usb Debian testing dona permisos d'escriptura ls -l /media lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 sep 4 21:47 usb - usb0 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12288 oct 11 11:50 usb0 cat /etc/mtab /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 Però a les memòries usb no: ls -l /media lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root4 sep 4 21:47 usb - usb0 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 8192 oct 11 11:52 usb0 cat /etc/mtab /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro 0 0 I això ve passant amb les últimes debian testing des de farà un mes. No veig res d'extrany als fitxers del directori /etc/udev En canvi a una Ubuntu 12.04 munta fent propietari l'usuari que ha introduit el dispositiu: ls -l /media -rw-r--r-- 1 alex alex 1400 oct 11 20:54 mtab.txt cat /etc/mtab /dev/sdb1 /media/USBDISK vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1001,gid=1001,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks 0 0 Tens l'udisks instal·lat? A l'fstab no hi ha d'anar res (jo tinc la mateixa línia que tu, però comentada). Amb el dimoni udisks funcionant $ udisks --mount /dev/sdf1 Mounted /org/freedesktop/UDisks/devices/sdf1 at /media/E36C-4852 $ grep sdf1 /etc/mtab /dev/sdf1 /media/E36C-4852 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,errors=remount-ro 0 0 No cal configurar res. En el meu cas, XFCE utilitza udisks internament, i crec que el Gnome fa el mateix.. Salut. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131011201346.GA7701@doriath.local -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahruot5qekdxrm2cu95cvrgfkiqa6rw-7zqwmod_pchgsth...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dos preguntes debian testing i memòries usb
-a ;) El dia 13 d’octubre de 2013 15.05, Roger Sicart roger.sic...@gmail.com ha escrit: # usermod -G plugdev usuari Sort! On 11/10/2013, Ernest Adrogué nfdi...@gmail.com wrote: 11-10-2013, 21:00 (+0200); a...@probeta.net escriu: 1) A les noves debian testing que he instal.lat des de fa unes setmanes, quan insereixo una memòria usb o disc dur usb, els monta sense permisos d'escriptura. En realitat és curiós, perquè el disc dur usb formatejat NTFS el munta amb permisos d'escriptura, però les memòries usb formatejades amb FAT les munta sense permisos d'escriptura. No sembla problema del grup de l'usuari. Al fitxer /etc/fstab han aparegut unes línies que abans no hi eren, però que no crec que siguin el qid de la qüestió: cat /etc/fstab /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 autorw,user,noauto 0 0 Al disc dur usb Debian testing dona permisos d'escriptura ls -l /media lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 sep 4 21:47 usb - usb0 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12288 oct 11 11:50 usb0 cat /etc/mtab /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 Però a les memòries usb no: ls -l /media lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root4 sep 4 21:47 usb - usb0 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 8192 oct 11 11:52 usb0 cat /etc/mtab /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro 0 0 I això ve passant amb les últimes debian testing des de farà un mes. No veig res d'extrany als fitxers del directori /etc/udev En canvi a una Ubuntu 12.04 munta fent propietari l'usuari que ha introduit el dispositiu: ls -l /media -rw-r--r-- 1 alex alex 1400 oct 11 20:54 mtab.txt cat /etc/mtab /dev/sdb1 /media/USBDISK vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1001,gid=1001,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks 0 0 Tens l'udisks instal·lat? A l'fstab no hi ha d'anar res (jo tinc la mateixa línia que tu, però comentada). Amb el dimoni udisks funcionant $ udisks --mount /dev/sdf1 Mounted /org/freedesktop/UDisks/devices/sdf1 at /media/E36C-4852 $ grep sdf1 /etc/mtab /dev/sdf1 /media/E36C-4852 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,errors=remount-ro 0 0 No cal configurar res. En el meu cas, XFCE utilitza udisks internament, i crec que el Gnome fa el mateix.. Salut. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131011201346.GA7701@doriath.local -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahruot5qekdxrm2cu95cvrgfkiqa6rw-7zqwmod_pchgsth...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dos preguntes debian testing i memòries usb
2013/10/13 Roger Sicart roger.sic...@gmail.com: # usermod -G plugdev usuari Ha de fer: # usermod -aG plugdev usuari per afegir un grup als que ja te l'usuari. Observa el paràmetre 'a'. Salutacions, Javier SIlva -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caog_h5bz17eheo+ayth6s_rfhg0gdu3df0vnxy2asb6bjdn...@mail.gmail.com
Organització de la MiniDebConf-Women 2014
Hola, Avui ens hem reunit per tal d'empènyer la candidatura de Barcelona per realitzar la MiniDebConf-Women 2014. Ens ho hem passat molt bé i hem avançat força. Podeu trobar les notes que s'han pres a https://pad.riseup.net/p/reunio_minidebconf_oct_2013 A grans trets s'ha decidit acollir la proposta de Càtedra de Programari lliure (UPC) per tal de celebrar l'esdeveniment a l'edifici central de la UB. Es proposarà de fer l'esdeveniment el 15-16 o 22-23 de març. També hem decidit deixar d'usar aquesta llista per a l'organització d'aquest esdeveniment i usar la següent llista: http://llistes.cpl.upc.edu/listinfo/debian-miniconf Per tant tots aquells que estigueu interessats envieu un email a debian-miniconf-j...@cpl.upc.edu Si us plau, no responeu aquest email, apunteu-vos a la nova llista. La maquinària ja ha començat a girar... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Calcul CIDR
Bonjour, ipv6calc existe, mais pas ip6calc autrement en version binaire pour obtenir un résultat : http://www.ipcalc.net/ slt bernard --- La dernière chose qu'on trouve en faisant un ouvrage, est de savoir celle qu'il faut mettre la première. -+- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pensées I.19 -+- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013151517.4853f31f.bernard.schoenac...@free.fr
Avis de recherche - Vidéo - compteur/détection de mouvement
Bonjour, Je sais que Google est mon ami mais... j'aimerai avoir vos idées/propositions/retours d'expériences sur une application vidéo pour camera et webcam sachant faire une action quand un objet (piéton, voiture ou objet sur un tapis roulant) passe dans le champs auquel on aura donné un ordre. Ici, je m’intéresse au comptage de passage dans un premier temps. Merci pour vos lumières, Linuxement vôtre, David P. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525ab826.6040...@free.fr
Re: Avis de recherche - Vidéo - compteur/détection de mouvement
Le 13/10/2013 17:11, David Pinson a écrit : Bonjour, Bonjour Je sais que Google est mon ami mais... j'aimerai avoir vos idées/propositions/retours d'expériences sur une application vidéo pour camera et webcam sachant faire une action quand un objet (piéton, voiture ou objet sur un tapis roulant) passe dans le champs auquel on aura donné un ordre. Ici, je m’intéresse au comptage de passage dans un premier temps. Motion sous Linux, iSpyConnect sous Windows -- Daniel -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525aca32.1070...@tootai.net
Re: [HS] J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury
Le filtrage peut être conçu comme une liberté et non comme un interdit. Exemple: hier soir, vers 23h, je suis sur mon prototype en train de tester de nouvelles fonctionnalités. Je décide de lancer un tcpdump -i eth0 pour débuguer mon proto. Immédiatement, le navigateur s'ouvre et me balance une page web porno, sans que j'ai rien demandé. Après consultation des trames réseau, il s'avère que des entreprises de marketing échangent des cookies avec mon navigateur et qu'ils ont décidé de me faire ch... Si je peux filtrer ce genre d'attaque perverse, j'appelle ça une liberté et non un interdit. Le problème est que les agences de marketing nous ont profilé et que pour lutter contre ces pervers, la seule arme qui reste, c'est le poste utilisateur. G... controle le marché de la pub sur internet et le marketing qu'ils utilisent est le plus pervers qui soit. Je conçois le filtrage comme un préservatif qui nous libère de ce profiling. De plus, je suis adulte. Que peut donner le profilage marketing sur des enfants? Il ne s'agit pas de lutter contre des sites web a contenu interdit, mais de lutter contre des pervers qui cherchent à propager leurs perversions. Je parle de pronographie car il s'agit d'un sujet qui me touche. Mais le profiling trouvera facilement votre point faible et l'exploitera jusqu'à la moelle. Welcome to a brave new world! - Mail original - De: andre debian andre_deb...@numericable.fr À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Envoyé: Dimanche 29 Septembre 2013 20:38:10 Objet: Re: [HS] J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury Le projet J'ai l'inux vise à proposer une distribution Linux capable de filter les contenus notamment pornographiques, pour une utilisation à l'école. Une autre solution consisterait à créer le contraire : une distribution j'ai l'inux, spécialisée pour les sites X, avec contenu libres et opensource. Un accès facilité et immédiat des meilleurs site du genre, grâce à GNU/j'ai l'inux. Elle serait interdite aux moins de 16 ans bien sûr. Bon allez, je sors ... :-) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309292038.10578.andre_deb...@numericable.fr -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/817661827.78155271.1381685617296.javamail.r...@spooler6-g27.priv.proxad.net
Re: [HS] J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury
Le dimanche 13 octobre 2013 à 19:33 +0200, chris21.r...@free.fr a écrit : Si je peux filtrer ce genre d'attaque perverse, j'appelle ça une liberté et non un interdit. Le problème est que les agences de marketing nous ont profilé et que pour lutter contre ces pervers, la seule arme qui reste, c'est le poste utilisateur. G... controle le marché de la pub sur internet et le marketing qu'ils utilisent est le plus pervers qui soit. Je conçois le filtrage comme un préservatif qui nous libère de ce profiling. Si on considère les débats sur la neutralité du net, pour respecter la liberté, le filtrage doit se faire sur les terminaisons; Donc chez toi. Tu peux confier le filtrage à ton fournisseur d'accès internet, mais c'est un risque d'atteinte à l'intégrité de tes messages et tu n'est pas maître de ce que tu veux filtrer. C'est donc un service qui ne doit absolument pas être activé sans que tu le demande explicitement. Personnellement je ne le recommanderais pas car j'estime ça dangereux pour la neutralité de mes communications. Pour la même raison d'ailleurs, je ne recommande pas d'utiliser l'adresse mail du dit fournisseur comme adresse principale pour éviter les effets de bords qui survienne parfois... Dans le cas d'une école ou d'une entreprise, chez soi est plutôt à prendre comme sur l'intranet puisque ce n'est pas ton réseau mais celui de l'organisme qui en est propriétaire et a donc légitimement tous les droits dessus. Bien entendu, dans ce dernier cas se pose la question de savoir comment on filtre et qui en est responsable, et en particulier à l'école qui est un bien public, il me semble naturel que les équipes pédagogiques en aient le contrôle. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381688669.23479.19.camel@azuki.jisui
Re: [HS] J'ai l'inux nom de code Canterbury
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:24:29 +0200 Haricophile wrote: Bonjour à tout le monde, Le dimanche 13 octobre 2013 à 19:33 +0200, chris21.r...@free.fr a écrit : Si je peux filtrer ce genre d'attaque perverse, j'appelle ça une liberté et non un interdit. Le problème est que les agences de marketing nous ont profilé et que pour lutter contre ces pervers, la seule arme qui reste, c'est le poste utilisateur. G... controle le marché de la pub sur internet et le marketing qu'ils utilisent est le plus pervers qui soit. Je conçois le filtrage comme un préservatif qui nous libère de ce profiling. Si on considère les débats sur la neutralité du net, pour respecter la liberté, le filtrage doit se faire sur les terminaisons; Donc chez toi. Tu peux confier le filtrage à ton fournisseur d'accès internet, ^^ Oui, Oui, un modèle / tutorial / mode d'emploi pour les débutants SVP ;-) [...] Merci d'avance Georges -- Le jour où tu découvres le Libre GNU/Linux, tu ne peux plus t'en passer ;-) Microsoft ® est à l'informatique ce que Mc Donald's ® est à la gastronomie. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131014075407.35908...@tharax2.fr.gyptis
Re: [OT] Un derivado Debian particular
2013/10/12 eldebiandep...@gmail.com: El 11/10/13 08:42, C. L. Martinez escribió: 2013/10/10 eldebiandep...@gmail.com: El 10/10/13 23:55, Carlos Zuniga escribió: 2013/10/10 Fabián Bonetti mama21m...@riseup.net: Web nueva con mirror, filosofía y mas. http://estrellarojalibre.com.ar/ Su archivo .iso trae 5000 paquetes, es live-cd. Se puede instalar. Base Debian 6.0.1 Linux Kernel 3.0.4 PREEMPT Real Time Escritorio LXDE Para los recién llegado a Debian por si no conocían esta distro. No soy recién llegado y no la conocía :) Por que Debian 6.0.1? La estable es la 7.1... ah, veo que la publicaron hace un año. De todos modos, sabes que cambios han hecho sobre el Debian vainilla? por lo que veo es el tema de LXDE y la inclusión de drivers wifi, pero como de esto hace un año, imagino que Debian ya trae paquetes para todos esos drivers... Lo del Kernel PREEMPT es interesante, Debian lo trae en los paquetes linux-image-rt-* y en la estable están con el kernel versión 3.2 :D Aunque estoy contento con la «dulce» estabilidad que me da Debian, tengo ganas de que salga esta distribución: http://www.tanglu.org/ Si cumplen con todo lo que «prometen» posiblemente sea mi segunda distro. ¿Y que ofrece esta diferente a las miles derivadas que ya hay de Debian? Porque yo no le veo nada especial ... Parece una más ... De En las preguntas frecuentes te explican un poco de que va y algunas diferencias existen... mejor dicho, existirán. No veo grandes diferencias como para justificar un refrito más ... verdad que no entiendo este tipo de diversificaciones. Estoy a favor de distros especializadas en algún aspecto: multimedia, ciencia, seguridad, etc ... Pero esto de refritos y más refritos no le veo sentido ... Vale y otros dirán que la paquetería multimedia, de ciencias, etc... la tienes al alcance de la mano desde los repositorios... y los más purista saltarán que como mejor se hacen las cosas es compilando a mano únicamente lo que necesites... No todas las aplicaciones están en los repos, ni de Debian ni de ninguna de las grandes. Mira por ejemplo Kali Linux (aka antigua BackTrack). En este sentido las distros BSD, son superiores a Linux en especialización (en algunas áreas, en el área multimedia son bastante inferiores a Linux). Soy de los que opinan de que este es un factor clave de porque Linux no triunfa en escritorio (obviamente hay otros) ... No tienen sentido esas miles de distros basadas en Debian, Arch y demás ... Hombre, visto así... - ¿Porqué usar .deb en vez de .rpm?, se podrían haber unificado todos y ahorrar trabajo. No tiene porqué. Es como porque en windows se utilizan varios sistemas de empaquetado y no solo .exe - ¿Porqué Linus sacó su kernel en vez de apoyar/cooperar en Hurd o incluso BSD? ¿Porque era un concepto distinto? - ¿Porqué Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, Arch... si todos son base Linux? Porque estas cuatro que nombras, sí ofrecen campos distintos de actuación y además bastante marcados. Pero entre Debian y la Tanglu, no existe esa diferencia tan marcada. Se dice que en la variedad está el gusto... todos no somos iguales ni podemos pensar igual. Correcto ... Pero lo mucho, empacha :)) Aunque en cierto sentido tienes razón, en Linux tenemos la «libertad» de hacer y elegir lo que nos plazca y si no quieres probar algo nuevo con no instalarlo es suficiente, lo que no me parece justo es criticar o desprestigiar el trabajo de muchos que solo quieren aportar su granito de arena en este «mundillo» y que en un momento dado pueden ofrecer algo innovador, un punto de vista diferente o simplemente ideas frescas. Pero como he dicho antes, todos no podemos pensar igual. Por supuesto. Seria muy aburrido :)) Es lo mismo que Android ... O Google para de liberar una versión cada 3/4/5 meses o se lo cargará y la gente se hartará ... Bueno yo diría que eso es más bien puro marketing, si no ofrecen algo nuevo cada cierto tiempo (aunque sea un simple «lavado de cara») entonces es cuando la gente se puede aburrir. Aquí disiento totalmente. Android tiene un problema y muy grave. Un usuario lo que quiere es un enchufar y listo y no tener problemas de actualización. Lo que no es de recibo es que compres un smartphone y al año o año y medio (y eso con suerte a menos que sea un samsung o un nexus) no puedas actualizarlo para nada. Aquí Apple le ha ganado de calle a Google. Apple permite actualizar un iPhone 4 a iOS7, Android no. Android en este sentido se parece mucho a Windows: para cada nueva release quiere un smartphone más bestia. Recordemos que por ejemplo, BB se va al carajo. En el campo empresarial alguien tendrá que ocupar su lugar ... Y Android no es la mejor posicionada ... Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:
Re: Usuarios en pantalla de logueo
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, fernando sainz wrote: El día 13 de octubre de 2013 04:33, Pablo pablocar...@gmail.com escribió: Gente acudo a la comunidad para que me den una mano. Hace tiempo habia logrado solucionar esto y ahora no doy pie con bola. No me acuerdo como lo habia sacado en su momento. Lo que necesito es que en la pantalla de logueo de mi debian no me figuren los nombres de usuarios. Se que esto era posible tocando un archivo de configuracion pero no me acuerdo cual. Y no estoy dando con el dato. Si alguien tiene alguna punta como para seguir buscando se lo agradeceria. -- Pablo Bueno, deberías indicar que display manager usas. Probablemente sea gdm3 con lo que debes ir a /etc/gdm3 y buscar ahí. La opción es disable-user-list Además de poner disable-user-list=true en /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings, prueba a ejecutar este script como root: #!/bin/sh set -e invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop rm -rf /var/lib/gdm3 mkdir /var/lib/gdm3 chown Debian-gdm:Debian-gdm /var/lib/gdm3 invoke-rc.d gdm3 start Por aquí dicen que lo de disable-user-list=true no funciona en wheezy pero si el script anterior funciona el problema debe ser más complejo de lo que parece: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=683338#85 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.02.1310131113500.24...@kolmogorov.unex.es
Re: [OT] Uso de patrones geométricos en LO
El Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:33:09 +0200, fernando sainz escribió: El día 12 de octubre de 2013 19:03, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Ya, ya... pues eso no es que lo que intentan vender desde el proyecto LO: *** http://www.libreoffice.org/features/ (...) Son ellos los que se auto-definen como competencia directa con MS Office y sus formatos, así a otro perro con ese hueso. No me gusta entrar en esta dinámica tuya de convertir la lista en un chat, pero creo que estás perdiendo el norte. (...) Yo creo que estoy apuntando un problema, además de ponerlo en su conocimiento. Más no puedo hacer, desgraciadamente. Y oye, que nadie te obliga a responder a los hilos que no te interesan. Si crees que estoy perdiendo el norte no deberías fomentar mi locura. Por cierto, está bien recortar los mensajes cuando se quiere contestar solo a alguna parte del mismo, pero ten cuidado en no dejar las cosas fuera de contexto, porque no es la primera vez que lo haces. Recorto lo que me entiendo que sobra, ya lo he dicho varias veces. Si quieres leer el mensaje completo puedes consultar el archivo de la lista que para eso está. Y ya puestos a dar consejos que no se me han pedido, procura leer las contestaciones que dan los demás antes de responder tu, porque la lista está llena de mensajes tuyos respondiendo lo mismo que ya ha respondido otra gente. No sé a qué viene eso, tú sabrás por qué lo dices. Cuando pregunto algo no me importa ver respuestas repetidas, al contrario, la coincidencia es un indicador de que la solución aportada es buena. Otro más, no estás obligada a responder a todos los mensajes. Puedes responder a esto, pero no esperes respuesta, no quiero entrar en esa dinámica tuya de ser el que tenga la última palabra. No te preocupes fernando que te vas a lista negra pero ya mismo. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.10.13.13.45...@gmail.com
Re: ¿Cómo reproducir un CD de audio en Debian 6?
El Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:00:35 -0400, academia escribió: Hola listeros. Hace unos días una profesora de Apreciación de la Música impartía su clase en el laboratorio de computación de mi red local (todas con debian 6) Al querer utilizar un CD de audio en su clase pues ESTE NO FUNCIONÓ. No funcionó, vale, pero ¿salió algún mensaje en la pantalla, intentaste abrir manualmente el CD desde alguna aplicación multimedia...? Quizá no estaba asociada esa extensión *.cda con ninguna acción y por eso no se ejecutó automáticamente. Lo mismo me ocurrió en casa cuando un amigo me dio a probar un curso de italiano. Pudieran explicarme qué hacer para lograr que se reproduzcan estos CDs. La extensión original de estos CDs es .cda (visto desde windows, y funciona perfect), pero cuando lo introduzco en la lectora desde debian la extensión que me pone es .wav El reproductor que utilizo es el vlc. NO TENGO INTERNET. Salvo que se trata de algún problema con la seguridad o cifrado del CD, deberías poder abrir esos archivo con cualquier reproductor multimedia que tengas instalado en el equipos. VideoLAN es una opción muy completa aunque necesita bibliotecas Qt por lo que para entornos GNOME o XFCE seguramente haya mejores opciones. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.10.13.13.50...@gmail.com
Re: Usuarios en pantalla de logueo
El Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:33:51 -0300, Pablo escribió: (ese html...) Gente acudo a la comunidad para que me den una mano. Hace tiempo habia logrado solucionar esto y ahora no doy pie con bola. No me acuerdo como lo habia sacado en su momento. Lo que necesito es que en la pantalla de logueo de mi debian no me figuren los nombres de usuarios. Se que esto era posible tocando un archivo de configuracion pero no me acuerdo cual. Y no estoy dando con el dato. Si alguien tiene alguna punta como para seguir buscando se lo agradeceria. No dices qué gestor de sesiones usas ni en qué versión de Debian estás, pero dando por hecho que estés usando wheezy con gnome+gdm3, para poder ocultar los usuarios al inicio de sesión tendrás que utilizar el entorno clásico en lugar de gnome-shell debido a un fallo que está documentado: Gdm 3.2 ignores /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/disable_user_list https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660660 Y parece que está marcado como resuelto en la versión 3.6.2. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.10.13.13.55...@gmail.com
Re: kmix audio configuracion kde debian testing
El Sat, 12 Oct 2013 19:46:17 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió: Gracias a todos. Como siempre, Camaleón das en el clavo No tengo un debian ahora mismo a mano, pero lo he probado en un archlinux que tengo en una VM con este paquetito tan bonico: pulseaudio-alsa Y supongo que también tendrás instalado el paquete pulseaudio ¿no? :-? Cada distro es un mundo, pero tenía más que ver con pulseaudio que con el propio kmix. [root@arch-maykel maykel]# pacman -Si pulseaudio-alsa Repositorio : extra Nombre: pulseaudio-alsa Versión : 2-2 Descripción : ALSA Configuration for PulseAudio (...) Gracias una vez más. Lo necesitaba para pasar el audio por hdmi. Pues no veo ningún paquete en Debian con ese nombre (pulseaudio-alsa), me temo que tendrás que instalar PA... si es así, te deseo toda la suerte del mundo ;-P Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.10.13.14.15...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Un derivado Debian particular
El 13/10/13 11:51, C. L. Martinez escribió: 2013/10/12 eldebiandep...@gmail.com: El 11/10/13 08:42, C. L. Martinez escribió: 2013/10/10 eldebiandep...@gmail.com: El 10/10/13 23:55, Carlos Zuniga escribió: 2013/10/10 Fabián Bonetti mama21m...@riseup.net: Web nueva con mirror, filosofía y mas. http://estrellarojalibre.com.ar/ Su archivo .iso trae 5000 paquetes, es live-cd. Se puede instalar. Base Debian 6.0.1 Linux Kernel 3.0.4 PREEMPT Real Time Escritorio LXDE Para los recién llegado a Debian por si no conocían esta distro. No soy recién llegado y no la conocía :) Por que Debian 6.0.1? La estable es la 7.1... ah, veo que la publicaron hace un año. De todos modos, sabes que cambios han hecho sobre el Debian vainilla? por lo que veo es el tema de LXDE y la inclusión de drivers wifi, pero como de esto hace un año, imagino que Debian ya trae paquetes para todos esos drivers... Lo del Kernel PREEMPT es interesante, Debian lo trae en los paquetes linux-image-rt-* y en la estable están con el kernel versión 3.2 :D Aunque estoy contento con la «dulce» estabilidad que me da Debian, tengo ganas de que salga esta distribución: http://www.tanglu.org/ Si cumplen con todo lo que «prometen» posiblemente sea mi segunda distro. ¿Y que ofrece esta diferente a las miles derivadas que ya hay de Debian? Porque yo no le veo nada especial ... Parece una más ... De En las preguntas frecuentes te explican un poco de que va y algunas diferencias existen... mejor dicho, existirán. No veo grandes diferencias como para justificar un refrito más ... verdad que no entiendo este tipo de diversificaciones. Estoy a favor de distros especializadas en algún aspecto: multimedia, ciencia, seguridad, etc ... Pero esto de refritos y más refritos no le veo sentido ... Vale y otros dirán que la paquetería multimedia, de ciencias, etc... la tienes al alcance de la mano desde los repositorios... y los más purista saltarán que como mejor se hacen las cosas es compilando a mano únicamente lo que necesites... No todas las aplicaciones están en los repos, ni de Debian ni de ninguna de las grandes. Mira por ejemplo Kali Linux (aka antigua BackTrack). En este sentido las distros BSD, son superiores a Linux en especialización (en algunas áreas, en el área multimedia son bastante inferiores a Linux). Pues por eso mismo te he dicho que algunos prefieren bajarse el código fuente del programa e instalarlo a mano. Soy de los que opinan de que este es un factor clave de porque Linux no triunfa en escritorio (obviamente hay otros) ... No tienen sentido esas miles de distros basadas en Debian, Arch y demás ... Hombre, visto así... - ¿Porqué usar .deb en vez de .rpm?, se podrían haber unificado todos y ahorrar trabajo. No tiene porqué. Es como porque en windows se utilizan varios sistemas de empaquetado y no solo .exe Pero que tiene que ver Windows aquí... Me refiero a que no hay un instalador común para todas las distribuciones (y no me vale que puedo usar «Alien» para convertirlos) - ¿Porqué Linus sacó su kernel en vez de apoyar/cooperar en Hurd o incluso BSD? ¿Porque era un concepto distinto? No me has entendido, Linus es un tío bastante listo y supongo que sería capaz de continuar el desarrollo de Hurd... en vez de crear su kernel ¿no pudo haber hablado con Stallman y continuar o comenzar desde cero Hurd?... Ahora tenemos dos kernel, uno bastante bueno (Linux) y otro a medio terminar (Hurd) y este último está frito por «echarle la pata» al otro. - ¿Porqué Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, Arch... si todos son base Linux? Porque estas cuatro que nombras, sí ofrecen campos distintos de actuación y además bastante marcados. Pero entre Debian y la Tanglu, no existe esa diferencia tan marcada. Mira esto es como darle una barca de remos a un manco... Debian y supuestamente Tanglu (si algún día sale) son dos mancos en la barca de remos, así sí se avanza... como no se avanza es poniendo cuatro mancos en cuatro barcas... ¿entiendes lo que te digo? Se dice que en la variedad está el gusto... todos no somos iguales ni podemos pensar igual. Correcto ... Pero lo mucho, empacha :)) Pues si comemos siempre lo mismo también nos podemos empachar e incluso aborrecer la comida... Aunque en cierto sentido tienes razón, en Linux tenemos la «libertad» de hacer y elegir lo que nos plazca y si no quieres probar algo nuevo con no instalarlo es suficiente, lo que no me parece justo es criticar o desprestigiar el trabajo de muchos que solo quieren aportar su granito de arena en este «mundillo» y que en un momento dado pueden ofrecer algo innovador, un punto de vista diferente o simplemente ideas frescas. Pero como he dicho antes, todos no podemos pensar igual. Por supuesto. Seria muy aburrido :)) Por fín, ya estamos de acuerdo en algo. Es lo mismo que Android ... O Google para de liberar una versión cada 3/4/5 meses o se lo cargará y la gente se hartará ...
Re: [OT] Un derivado Debian particular
On 13/10/13 16:27, eldebiandep...@gmail.com wrote: verdad que no entiendo este tipo de diversificaciones. Estoy a favor de distros especializadas en algún aspecto: multimedia, ciencia, seguridad, etc ... Pero esto de refritos y más refritos no le veo sentido ... Vale y otros dirán que la paquetería multimedia, de ciencias, etc... la tienes al alcance de la mano desde los repositorios... y los más purista saltarán que como mejor se hacen las cosas es compilando a mano únicamente lo que necesites... No todas las aplicaciones están en los repos, ni de Debian ni de ninguna de las grandes. Mira por ejemplo Kali Linux (aka antigua BackTrack). En este sentido las distros BSD, son superiores a Linux en especialización (en algunas áreas, en el área multimedia son bastante inferiores a Linux). Pues por eso mismo te he dicho que algunos prefieren bajarse el código fuente del programa e instalarlo a mano. Soy de los que opinan de que este es un factor clave de porque Linux no triunfa en escritorio (obviamente hay otros) ... No tienen sentido esas miles de distros basadas en Debian, Arch y demás ... Hombre, visto así... - ¿Porqué usar .deb en vez de .rpm?, se podrían haber unificado todos y ahorrar trabajo. No tiene porqué. Es como porque en windows se utilizan varios sistemas de empaquetado y no solo .exe Pero que tiene que ver Windows aquí... Me refiero a que no hay un instalador común para todas las distribuciones (y no me vale que puedo usar «Alien» para convertirlos) Somos durillos. Windows es un ejemplo aquí. ¿Tu sabes que Solaris mismo tambié utiliza dos modos de empquetamiento distintos en la actualidad, igual que FreeBSD por ejemplo?. Con esto lo que te vengo a decir, es que lo malo no es que existan dos, tres o cuatro formas de empaquetamiento distintos. Ese no es el problema. - ¿Porqué Linus sacó su kernel en vez de apoyar/cooperar en Hurd o incluso BSD? ¿Porque era un concepto distinto? No me has entendido, Linus es un tío bastante listo y supongo que sería capaz de continuar el desarrollo de Hurd... en vez de crear su kernel ¿no pudo haber hablado con Stallman y continuar o comenzar desde cero Hurd?... Ahora tenemos dos kernel, uno bastante bueno (Linux) y otro a medio terminar (Hurd) y este último está frito por «echarle la pata» al otro. Te he entendido, pero tu a mi no. Linus sacó su kernel derivado de Minix porque entre otras cosas era el que se estudiaba en su universidad en la asignatura de sistemas operativos, si la memoria no me falla ... Hurd era un eco muy muy lejano en finlandia por aquella época ... y no digamos en el resto del mundo a excepción de EEUU ... - ¿Porqué Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, Arch... si todos son base Linux? Porque estas cuatro que nombras, sí ofrecen campos distintos de actuación y además bastante marcados. Pero entre Debian y la Tanglu, no existe esa diferencia tan marcada. Mira esto es como darle una barca de remos a un manco... Debian y supuestamente Tanglu (si algún día sale) son dos mancos en la barca de remos, así sí se avanza... como no se avanza es poniendo cuatro mancos en cuatro barcas... ¿entiendes lo que te digo? No. Y dudo que Tanglu aporte más a Debian de lo que puede hacer Ubuntu, si es que lo hace, ya que no dispongo de datos, pero me consta que Debian utiliza cosas a nivel de paquetes de Ubuntu y obviamente, vicevesa más. ¿En que va a ayudar Tanglu a Debian? Porque a mi en su faq no me lo dejan muy claro ... Es lo mismo que Android ... O Google para de liberar una versión cada 3/4/5 meses o se lo cargará y la gente se hartará ... Bueno yo diría que eso es más bien puro marketing, si no ofrecen algo nuevo cada cierto tiempo (aunque sea un simple «lavado de cara») entonces es cuando la gente se puede aburrir. Aquí disiento totalmente. Android tiene un problema y muy grave. Un usuario lo que quiere es un enchufar y listo y no tener problemas de actualización. Lo que no es de recibo es que compres un smartphone y al año o año y medio (y eso con suerte a menos que sea un samsung o un nexus) no puedas actualizarlo para nada. Aquí Apple le ha ganado de calle a Google. Apple permite actualizar un iPhone 4 a iOS7, Android no. Android en este sentido se parece mucho a Windows: para cada nueva release quiere un smartphone más bestia. Cambia el enfoque, lo estás viendo como usuario común pero tienes que verlo como empresario, de lo que se trata es de vender teléfonos, Google no compró Android por gusto. Si lo miro desde el punto de vista del empresario te lo voy a pintar peor. Pero depende del empresario. Si lo miro como Google, te acepto pulpo como animal de compañía, pero con pinzas: en Google tampoco son tan tontos como para decir quiero vender muchos smartphones. Aquí tambien tiene algo que ver el quiero mantener mi base de usuarios y aumentarla y para ello el ecosistema de aplicativos es clave (y sobretodo que sean útiles). Si lo
Re: [OT] Un derivado Debian particular
El 13/10/13 18:45, carlopmart escribió: On 13/10/13 16:27, eldebiandep...@gmail.com wrote: verdad que no entiendo este tipo de diversificaciones. Estoy a favor de distros especializadas en algún aspecto: multimedia, ciencia, seguridad, etc ... Pero esto de refritos y más refritos no le veo sentido ... Vale y otros dirán que la paquetería multimedia, de ciencias, etc... la tienes al alcance de la mano desde los repositorios... y los más purista saltarán que como mejor se hacen las cosas es compilando a mano únicamente lo que necesites... No todas las aplicaciones están en los repos, ni de Debian ni de ninguna de las grandes. Mira por ejemplo Kali Linux (aka antigua BackTrack). En este sentido las distros BSD, son superiores a Linux en especialización (en algunas áreas, en el área multimedia son bastante inferiores a Linux). Pues por eso mismo te he dicho que algunos prefieren bajarse el código fuente del programa e instalarlo a mano. Soy de los que opinan de que este es un factor clave de porque Linux no triunfa en escritorio (obviamente hay otros) ... No tienen sentido esas miles de distros basadas en Debian, Arch y demás ... Hombre, visto así... - ¿Porqué usar .deb en vez de .rpm?, se podrían haber unificado todos y ahorrar trabajo. No tiene porqué. Es como porque en windows se utilizan varios sistemas de empaquetado y no solo .exe Pero que tiene que ver Windows aquí... Me refiero a que no hay un instalador común para todas las distribuciones (y no me vale que puedo usar «Alien» para convertirlos) Somos durillos. Windows es un ejemplo aquí. ¿Tu sabes que Solaris mismo tambié utiliza dos modos de empquetamiento distintos en la actualidad, igual que FreeBSD por ejemplo?. Con esto lo que te vengo a decir, es que lo malo no es que existan dos, tres o cuatro formas de empaquetamiento distintos. Ese no es el problema. - ¿Porqué Linus sacó su kernel en vez de apoyar/cooperar en Hurd o incluso BSD? ¿Porque era un concepto distinto? No me has entendido, Linus es un tío bastante listo y supongo que sería capaz de continuar el desarrollo de Hurd... en vez de crear su kernel ¿no pudo haber hablado con Stallman y continuar o comenzar desde cero Hurd?... Ahora tenemos dos kernel, uno bastante bueno (Linux) y otro a medio terminar (Hurd) y este último está frito por «echarle la pata» al otro. Te he entendido, pero tu a mi no. Linus sacó su kernel derivado de Minix porque entre otras cosas era el que se estudiaba en su universidad en la asignatura de sistemas operativos, si la memoria no me falla ... Hurd era un eco muy muy lejano en finlandia por aquella época ... y no digamos en el resto del mundo a excepción de EEUU ... - ¿Porqué Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, Arch... si todos son base Linux? Porque estas cuatro que nombras, sí ofrecen campos distintos de actuación y además bastante marcados. Pero entre Debian y la Tanglu, no existe esa diferencia tan marcada. Mira esto es como darle una barca de remos a un manco... Debian y supuestamente Tanglu (si algún día sale) son dos mancos en la barca de remos, así sí se avanza... como no se avanza es poniendo cuatro mancos en cuatro barcas... ¿entiendes lo que te digo? No. Y dudo que Tanglu aporte más a Debian de lo que puede hacer Ubuntu, si es que lo hace, ya que no dispongo de datos, pero me consta que Debian utiliza cosas a nivel de paquetes de Ubuntu y obviamente, vicevesa más. ¿En que va a ayudar Tanglu a Debian? Porque a mi en su faq no me lo dejan muy claro ... Es lo mismo que Android ... O Google para de liberar una versión cada 3/4/5 meses o se lo cargará y la gente se hartará ... Bueno yo diría que eso es más bien puro marketing, si no ofrecen algo nuevo cada cierto tiempo (aunque sea un simple «lavado de cara») entonces es cuando la gente se puede aburrir. Aquí disiento totalmente. Android tiene un problema y muy grave. Un usuario lo que quiere es un enchufar y listo y no tener problemas de actualización. Lo que no es de recibo es que compres un smartphone y al año o año y medio (y eso con suerte a menos que sea un samsung o un nexus) no puedas actualizarlo para nada. Aquí Apple le ha ganado de calle a Google. Apple permite actualizar un iPhone 4 a iOS7, Android no. Android en este sentido se parece mucho a Windows: para cada nueva release quiere un smartphone más bestia. Cambia el enfoque, lo estás viendo como usuario común pero tienes que verlo como empresario, de lo que se trata es de vender teléfonos, Google no compró Android por gusto. Si lo miro desde el punto de vista del empresario te lo voy a pintar peor. Pero depende del empresario. Si lo miro como Google, te acepto pulpo como animal de compañía, pero con pinzas: en Google tampoco son tan tontos como para decir quiero vender muchos smartphones. Aquí tambien tiene algo que ver el quiero mantener mi base de usuarios y aumentarla y para ello el ecosistema de aplicativos es clave (y sobretodo que sean útiles). Si lo miro
Re: [OT] Un derivado Debian particular
On 13/10/13 17:00, eldebiandep...@gmail.com wrote: El 13/10/13 18:45, carlopmart escribió: On 13/10/13 16:27, eldebiandep...@gmail.com wrote: verdad que no entiendo este tipo de diversificaciones. Estoy a favor de distros especializadas en algún aspecto: multimedia, ciencia, seguridad, etc ... Pero esto de refritos y más refritos no le veo sentido ... Vale y otros dirán que la paquetería multimedia, de ciencias, etc... la tienes al alcance de la mano desde los repositorios... y los más purista saltarán que como mejor se hacen las cosas es compilando a mano únicamente lo que necesites... No todas las aplicaciones están en los repos, ni de Debian ni de ninguna de las grandes. Mira por ejemplo Kali Linux (aka antigua BackTrack). En este sentido las distros BSD, son superiores a Linux en especialización (en algunas áreas, en el área multimedia son bastante inferiores a Linux). Pues por eso mismo te he dicho que algunos prefieren bajarse el código fuente del programa e instalarlo a mano. Soy de los que opinan de que este es un factor clave de porque Linux no triunfa en escritorio (obviamente hay otros) ... No tienen sentido esas miles de distros basadas en Debian, Arch y demás ... Hombre, visto así... - ¿Porqué usar .deb en vez de .rpm?, se podrían haber unificado todos y ahorrar trabajo. No tiene porqué. Es como porque en windows se utilizan varios sistemas de empaquetado y no solo .exe Pero que tiene que ver Windows aquí... Me refiero a que no hay un instalador común para todas las distribuciones (y no me vale que puedo usar «Alien» para convertirlos) Somos durillos. Windows es un ejemplo aquí. ¿Tu sabes que Solaris mismo tambié utiliza dos modos de empquetamiento distintos en la actualidad, igual que FreeBSD por ejemplo?. Con esto lo que te vengo a decir, es que lo malo no es que existan dos, tres o cuatro formas de empaquetamiento distintos. Ese no es el problema. - ¿Porqué Linus sacó su kernel en vez de apoyar/cooperar en Hurd o incluso BSD? ¿Porque era un concepto distinto? No me has entendido, Linus es un tío bastante listo y supongo que sería capaz de continuar el desarrollo de Hurd... en vez de crear su kernel ¿no pudo haber hablado con Stallman y continuar o comenzar desde cero Hurd?... Ahora tenemos dos kernel, uno bastante bueno (Linux) y otro a medio terminar (Hurd) y este último está frito por «echarle la pata» al otro. Te he entendido, pero tu a mi no. Linus sacó su kernel derivado de Minix porque entre otras cosas era el que se estudiaba en su universidad en la asignatura de sistemas operativos, si la memoria no me falla ... Hurd era un eco muy muy lejano en finlandia por aquella época ... y no digamos en el resto del mundo a excepción de EEUU ... - ¿Porqué Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, Arch... si todos son base Linux? Porque estas cuatro que nombras, sí ofrecen campos distintos de actuación y además bastante marcados. Pero entre Debian y la Tanglu, no existe esa diferencia tan marcada. Mira esto es como darle una barca de remos a un manco... Debian y supuestamente Tanglu (si algún día sale) son dos mancos en la barca de remos, así sí se avanza... como no se avanza es poniendo cuatro mancos en cuatro barcas... ¿entiendes lo que te digo? No. Y dudo que Tanglu aporte más a Debian de lo que puede hacer Ubuntu, si es que lo hace, ya que no dispongo de datos, pero me consta que Debian utiliza cosas a nivel de paquetes de Ubuntu y obviamente, vicevesa más. ¿En que va a ayudar Tanglu a Debian? Porque a mi en su faq no me lo dejan muy claro ... Es lo mismo que Android ... O Google para de liberar una versión cada 3/4/5 meses o se lo cargará y la gente se hartará ... Bueno yo diría que eso es más bien puro marketing, si no ofrecen algo nuevo cada cierto tiempo (aunque sea un simple «lavado de cara») entonces es cuando la gente se puede aburrir. Aquí disiento totalmente. Android tiene un problema y muy grave. Un usuario lo que quiere es un enchufar y listo y no tener problemas de actualización. Lo que no es de recibo es que compres un smartphone y al año o año y medio (y eso con suerte a menos que sea un samsung o un nexus) no puedas actualizarlo para nada. Aquí Apple le ha ganado de calle a Google. Apple permite actualizar un iPhone 4 a iOS7, Android no. Android en este sentido se parece mucho a Windows: para cada nueva release quiere un smartphone más bestia. Cambia el enfoque, lo estás viendo como usuario común pero tienes que verlo como empresario, de lo que se trata es de vender teléfonos, Google no compró Android por gusto. Si lo miro desde el punto de vista del empresario te lo voy a pintar peor. Pero depende del empresario. Si lo miro como Google, te acepto pulpo como animal de compañía, pero con pinzas: en Google tampoco son tan tontos como para decir quiero vender muchos smartphones. Aquí tambien tiene algo que ver el quiero mantener mi base de usuarios
Re: [OT] Un derivado Debian particular
El 13/10/13 19:04, carlopmart escribió: On 13/10/13 17:00, eldebiandep...@gmail.com wrote: El 13/10/13 18:45, carlopmart escribió: On 13/10/13 16:27, eldebiandep...@gmail.com wrote: verdad que no entiendo este tipo de diversificaciones. Estoy a favor de distros especializadas en algún aspecto: multimedia, ciencia, seguridad, etc ... Pero esto de refritos y más refritos no le veo sentido ... Vale y otros dirán que la paquetería multimedia, de ciencias, etc... la tienes al alcance de la mano desde los repositorios... y los más purista saltarán que como mejor se hacen las cosas es compilando a mano únicamente lo que necesites... No todas las aplicaciones están en los repos, ni de Debian ni de ninguna de las grandes. Mira por ejemplo Kali Linux (aka antigua BackTrack). En este sentido las distros BSD, son superiores a Linux en especialización (en algunas áreas, en el área multimedia son bastante inferiores a Linux). Pues por eso mismo te he dicho que algunos prefieren bajarse el código fuente del programa e instalarlo a mano. Soy de los que opinan de que este es un factor clave de porque Linux no triunfa en escritorio (obviamente hay otros) ... No tienen sentido esas miles de distros basadas en Debian, Arch y demás ... Hombre, visto así... - ¿Porqué usar .deb en vez de .rpm?, se podrían haber unificado todos y ahorrar trabajo. No tiene porqué. Es como porque en windows se utilizan varios sistemas de empaquetado y no solo .exe Pero que tiene que ver Windows aquí... Me refiero a que no hay un instalador común para todas las distribuciones (y no me vale que puedo usar «Alien» para convertirlos) Somos durillos. Windows es un ejemplo aquí. ¿Tu sabes que Solaris mismo tambié utiliza dos modos de empquetamiento distintos en la actualidad, igual que FreeBSD por ejemplo?. Con esto lo que te vengo a decir, es que lo malo no es que existan dos, tres o cuatro formas de empaquetamiento distintos. Ese no es el problema. - ¿Porqué Linus sacó su kernel en vez de apoyar/cooperar en Hurd o incluso BSD? ¿Porque era un concepto distinto? No me has entendido, Linus es un tío bastante listo y supongo que sería capaz de continuar el desarrollo de Hurd... en vez de crear su kernel ¿no pudo haber hablado con Stallman y continuar o comenzar desde cero Hurd?... Ahora tenemos dos kernel, uno bastante bueno (Linux) y otro a medio terminar (Hurd) y este último está frito por «echarle la pata» al otro. Te he entendido, pero tu a mi no. Linus sacó su kernel derivado de Minix porque entre otras cosas era el que se estudiaba en su universidad en la asignatura de sistemas operativos, si la memoria no me falla ... Hurd era un eco muy muy lejano en finlandia por aquella época ... y no digamos en el resto del mundo a excepción de EEUU ... - ¿Porqué Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, Arch... si todos son base Linux? Porque estas cuatro que nombras, sí ofrecen campos distintos de actuación y además bastante marcados. Pero entre Debian y la Tanglu, no existe esa diferencia tan marcada. Mira esto es como darle una barca de remos a un manco... Debian y supuestamente Tanglu (si algún día sale) son dos mancos en la barca de remos, así sí se avanza... como no se avanza es poniendo cuatro mancos en cuatro barcas... ¿entiendes lo que te digo? No. Y dudo que Tanglu aporte más a Debian de lo que puede hacer Ubuntu, si es que lo hace, ya que no dispongo de datos, pero me consta que Debian utiliza cosas a nivel de paquetes de Ubuntu y obviamente, vicevesa más. ¿En que va a ayudar Tanglu a Debian? Porque a mi en su faq no me lo dejan muy claro ... Es lo mismo que Android ... O Google para de liberar una versión cada 3/4/5 meses o se lo cargará y la gente se hartará ... Bueno yo diría que eso es más bien puro marketing, si no ofrecen algo nuevo cada cierto tiempo (aunque sea un simple «lavado de cara») entonces es cuando la gente se puede aburrir. Aquí disiento totalmente. Android tiene un problema y muy grave. Un usuario lo que quiere es un enchufar y listo y no tener problemas de actualización. Lo que no es de recibo es que compres un smartphone y al año o año y medio (y eso con suerte a menos que sea un samsung o un nexus) no puedas actualizarlo para nada. Aquí Apple le ha ganado de calle a Google. Apple permite actualizar un iPhone 4 a iOS7, Android no. Android en este sentido se parece mucho a Windows: para cada nueva release quiere un smartphone más bestia. Cambia el enfoque, lo estás viendo como usuario común pero tienes que verlo como empresario, de lo que se trata es de vender teléfonos, Google no compró Android por gusto. Si lo miro desde el punto de vista del empresario te lo voy a pintar peor. Pero depende del empresario. Si lo miro como Google, te acepto pulpo como animal de compañía, pero con pinzas: en Google tampoco son tan tontos como para decir quiero vender muchos smartphones. Aquí tambien tiene algo que ver el quiero mantener mi base de usuarios y aumentarla
Re: OT: Lightning dejó de funcional tras actualización de Thunderbird oficial
El 12/10/13 15:41, Camaleón escribió: El Fri, 11 Oct 2013 22:35:27 -0300, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió: Viernes 11 de octubre se actualizó Thunderbird por la versión 24.0.1, tras la cual dejó de funcionar el complemento Ligtning. ¿Alguien lo usa? ¿Le pasó lo mismo? (...) Sí, y ayer lo actualicé... ¡¡Ostras!! Adiós calendario :-( (buscando...) Mira, han abierto un informe de fallo: ¿ Habéis probado a trucar el install.rdf ? A veces algunas extensiones de TB y FFox dejan de funcionar porque las extensiones llevan un archivo que indica las versiones mínimas y máximas para las que extensión es válida. A veces trucando el número de la versión máxima del programa, la extensión funciona sin problemas. Salu2 de jEsuSdA 8) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525adb65.70...@jesusda.com
Re: Alexandre Alves Borba mentioned you in an update
Boa pergunta. Também não sei a resposta, mas não acredito que vá até muito tarde, pois vai ser numa sexta-feira e temos que tomar umas cervejas pra comemorar a reunião tão célebre. Abs, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro http://twitter.com/helioloureiro http://gplus.to/helioloureiro Em 12 de outubro de 2013 22:48, Thiago Oliveira troolive...@gmail.comescreveu: Começa as 14 hs, mas vai ateh que horas? *Thiago Oliveira* Graduando de Segurança da Informação FATEC-SCShttp://www.fatecsaocaetano.edu.br/ Email Pessoal troolive...@gmail.com Email Acadêmicothiago.oliveir...@fatec.sp.gov.br Twitter http://www.twitter.com/trooliveira Facebookhttp://br.linkedin.com/in/trooliveira Linkedin http://br.linkedin.com/in/trooliveira Skype: trooliveira Em 10 de outubro de 2013 18:25, Debian Dicas corin...@debiandicas.orgescreveu: Ate eu sei fazer uns pacotes debian, mas na parte de jogos. Tenho um repositório onde fico adicionando estes pacotes para a pessoal baixarem: http://archive.ubuntugames.org/dists Mas ainda pelo visto não esta nos padrões da politica do Debian. É bom ir neste encontro pra saber melhor e no que estou errando pra me corrigir futuramente. Em 10 de outubro de 2013 18:09, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.brescreveu: Esqueci de falar (ou escrever), mas a idéia é fazer uma hackaton de pacotes ao final e tentar tirar alguns pacotes Debian marcados como órfãos desse estado. Abs, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro http://twitter.com/helioloureiro http://gplus.to/helioloureiro Em 10 de outubro de 2013 17:42, Debian Dicas corin...@debiandicas.orgescreveu: Me inscrevi e irei me esforçar em poder comparecer deste dia para rever o pessoal que conheço e que irei conhecer. Em 10 de outubro de 2013 17:27, Thiago T. Faioli thiago.fai...@gmail.com escreveu: Valeu pelo convite, mas eu moro em MG ;- ) Em 10 de outubro de 2013 17:18, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.brescreveu: Para quem quiser participar, vai ter uma oficina de criação de pacotes deb na iMasters, aqui em São Paulo. A iMasters fica próxima da estação Consolação do metrô. [image: LinkedIn]http://www.linkedin.com/e/v2?e=n5q0m-hmmf8up4-6rt=nmpmidToken=AQESN0-cmv8xfwtracking=eml-mention-linkedin-logo [image: Alexandre Alves Borba]http://www.linkedin.com/e/v2?e=n5q0m-hmmf8up4-6rt=npvmidToken=AQESN0-cmv8xfwtracking=eml-mention-actor-photomemberID=62701315 *Alexandre Alves Borba* mentioned you in an update Um encontro criado para que as pessoas possam reservar meio dia por mês das suas vidas para ajudar em algum projeto Open Source. Todos são bem vindos! Programadores, redatores, jornalistas, designers, gerentes, todos tem como ajudar de alguma forma. Teremos nesta edição uma palestra do Kemel Zaidan , explicando como qualquer pessoa, inclusive não técnica, pode ajudar em um projeto de código aberto e suportado pela comunidade. Depois disso, Helio Loureiro irá dar um Workshop técnico sobre empacotamentos para Debian e Ubuntu. http://lnkd.in/bSSgmXN; Sexta Livre - Outubro -- -- * Thiago T. Faioli* (31) 8449-4065 *Nº Nacional*: 3003-5410 /*Ramal*: 0011 [image: green_arrow_up] *Chamada local em todo Brasil* * MSN/Skype/Gtalk:* thiago.fai...@gmail.com
Re: Alexandre Alves Borba mentioned you in an update
Eu já fiz minha inscrição e recebi minha confirmação. Estarei lá com toda certeza! Conheço uns lugares legais ali perto para tomar umas cervejas! Abraço, Emerson M. Sobreiro Em 13 de outubro de 2013 11:42, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.brescreveu: Boa pergunta. Também não sei a resposta, mas não acredito que vá até muito tarde, pois vai ser numa sexta-feira e temos que tomar umas cervejas pra comemorar a reunião tão célebre. Abs, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro http://twitter.com/helioloureiro http://gplus.to/helioloureiro Em 12 de outubro de 2013 22:48, Thiago Oliveira troolive...@gmail.comescreveu: Começa as 14 hs, mas vai ateh que horas? *Thiago Oliveira* Graduando de Segurança da Informação FATEC-SCShttp://www.fatecsaocaetano.edu.br/ Email Pessoal troolive...@gmail.com Email Acadêmicothiago.oliveir...@fatec.sp.gov.br Twitter http://www.twitter.com/trooliveira Facebookhttp://br.linkedin.com/in/trooliveira Linkedin http://br.linkedin.com/in/trooliveira Skype: trooliveira Em 10 de outubro de 2013 18:25, Debian Dicas corin...@debiandicas.orgescreveu: Ate eu sei fazer uns pacotes debian, mas na parte de jogos. Tenho um repositório onde fico adicionando estes pacotes para a pessoal baixarem: http://archive.ubuntugames.org/dists Mas ainda pelo visto não esta nos padrões da politica do Debian. É bom ir neste encontro pra saber melhor e no que estou errando pra me corrigir futuramente. Em 10 de outubro de 2013 18:09, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.brescreveu: Esqueci de falar (ou escrever), mas a idéia é fazer uma hackaton de pacotes ao final e tentar tirar alguns pacotes Debian marcados como órfãos desse estado. Abs, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro http://twitter.com/helioloureiro http://gplus.to/helioloureiro Em 10 de outubro de 2013 17:42, Debian Dicas corin...@debiandicas.orgescreveu: Me inscrevi e irei me esforçar em poder comparecer deste dia para rever o pessoal que conheço e que irei conhecer. Em 10 de outubro de 2013 17:27, Thiago T. Faioli thiago.fai...@gmail.com escreveu: Valeu pelo convite, mas eu moro em MG ;- ) Em 10 de outubro de 2013 17:18, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.br escreveu: Para quem quiser participar, vai ter uma oficina de criação de pacotes deb na iMasters, aqui em São Paulo. A iMasters fica próxima da estação Consolação do metrô. [image: LinkedIn]http://www.linkedin.com/e/v2?e=n5q0m-hmmf8up4-6rt=nmpmidToken=AQESN0-cmv8xfwtracking=eml-mention-linkedin-logo [image: Alexandre Alves Borba]http://www.linkedin.com/e/v2?e=n5q0m-hmmf8up4-6rt=npvmidToken=AQESN0-cmv8xfwtracking=eml-mention-actor-photomemberID=62701315 *Alexandre Alves Borba* mentioned you in an update Um encontro criado para que as pessoas possam reservar meio dia por mês das suas vidas para ajudar em algum projeto Open Source. Todos são bem vindos! Programadores, redatores, jornalistas, designers, gerentes, todos tem como ajudar de alguma forma. Teremos nesta edição uma palestra do Kemel Zaidan , explicando como qualquer pessoa, inclusive não técnica, pode ajudar em um projeto de código aberto e suportado pela comunidade. Depois disso, Helio Loureiro irá dar um Workshop técnico sobre empacotamentos para Debian e Ubuntu. http://lnkd.in/bSSgmXN; Sexta Livre - Outubro -- -- * Thiago T. Faioli* (31) 8449-4065 *Nº Nacional*: 3003-5410 /*Ramal*: 0011 [image: green_arrow_up] *Chamada local em todo Brasil* * MSN/Skype/Gtalk:* thiago.fai...@gmail.com -- == Emerson Monteiro Sobreiro Rua Jorge Valim, 822 - Apartamento 44 Vila Ester | 02536-000 | São Paulo | SP (0XX11) 2208-8141 | (0XX11) 8275-0833 emo...@gmail.com | emo...@yahoo.com.br | emo...@hotmail.com ==
Apresentação Bynsoft Sistemas!
Boa Tarde Verificamos o vosso contato em redes de transportes e pela necessidade das normas do mercado estamos apresentando as nossas soluções para o controle logístico, monitoramento, rastreamento de frotas e controle de jornada de trabalho. O sistema pode ser implantado em: Embarcadores, Transportadoras,Operadores logísticos e Gerenciadoras de risco. Segue abaixo alguns dos controles do sistema; Rastreamento; - Controle de posicionamento - Controle de alertas do veículo (Velocidade, Temperatura, portas carona, motorista, baú, painel, bateria, antena, jammer, desengate de carretas) - Áreas de Risco - Controle de Horários (Rodando fora do horário permitido, controle de bloqueio/desbloqueios noturno) - Paradas e Reinícios - Viagens(Inicio, fim, transferência de sinal,fora de rota) - Alvos - Não conformidades Logística; - Controle de Temperatura - Controle de diárias. - Controle de carretas (grid) - Controle de Combustível / Postos de abastecimento - Picos de Velocidade - Telões Logísticos - Telões Gerenciais Distribuição; - Roteirizador - Integração com ERPs - Disponibilidade de veículos por região - Modulo Sassmaq (Velocidade, descanso e Jornada) - Distribuição de Veículos por filial/Embarcador/Centro de custo - Lead Time por coleta e entrega Diferenciais; - Jornada de trabalho - Projetos Customizados - Envio de comandos, mensagens, e-mail, SMS de forma automatizada - Ferramentas Gerenciais - Ferramentas de Auditoria - Relatórios Resumidos e detalhados - Integrações disponíveis via webservices - Mais de 10 mil cidades cadastradas - Mais de 6 mil postos, pedágios e policias cadastradas - Torres de celular do território nacional cadastradas separadas por operadora(Total de 46575) Segue abaixo link da apresentação do sistema; www.bynsoft.com.br/Apresentacao.rar www.bynsoft.com.br/Apresentacao.pdf Fico no aguardo de seus comentários sobre nossa apresentação e se for de seu interesse estamos prontos para atendê-los. Muito Obrigado. Rodolfo Varela Fruhwirth BynSoft Sistemas Fone: (49) 3322-1707 / (49) 9803-4514 rodo...@bynsoft.com.br www.bynsoft.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013220810.2993b...@bendel.debian.org
Re: mysteries with latest update
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 09:54:18PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: I just did a big update with the latest wheezy update (using the aptitude GUI). Several things seemed odd; and I'm not sure if everything is OK. I'm hoping for some info about what's going on. I'll try to do my best. I'm sure someone else will jump in if I'm wrong somewhere. I have LVM volume groups that are missing disks, which produce errors during some operations (e.g., update-initramfs). In the past the errors haven't prevented updates from working. I've listed the oddities with the ones most likely to indicate a real problem first. I) failed message This time the installation messages included failed (2nd to last line below) - Setting up lvm2 (2.02.95-8) ... [] Setting up LVM Volume Groups... Couldn't find device with uuid GKasb9-Qo8q-vC83-S0N7-cvUd-nE0J-EEeMgv. Couldn't find device with uuid eDiLHt-Pzom-tjdr-Ky12-Z6Gx-o3Iz-lYh1wL. [snip more errors] Refusing activation of partial LV cyrspool. Use --partial to override. Refusing activation of partial LV cyrlib. Use --partial to override. failed. update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated) -- These make sense to me if you have missing disks in some volume groups. Why you didn't get them before, I don't know. I would suggest you consider remedying the volume groups missing disks issue. Perhaps pvremove, or more likely vgreduce? Though the last 2 messages look OK - Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 -- So, aside from the fact I'm missing disks that are not essential for operation, have my initrd's and grub been updated properly? Looks to me like the answer is yes, though I could be wrong. 2) Grub Reports Missing Disk Before any of the above I got a debconf dialog from grub: - | The GRUB boot loader was previously installed to a disk that is no longer present, or whose unique identifier has changed for some reason. It is important ??? ??? to make sure that the installed GRUB core image stays in sync with GRUB modules and grub.cfg. Please check again to make sure that GRUB is written to the??? ??? appropriate boot devices. # followed by a list of devices on which to install grub This seemed peculiar because one of the disks listed was the one on which GRUB was already installed. Anyway, I told it to install there again. It may be relevant that I am not booting off sda. sda likely also has grub on it, and some of the dead disks did as well. As long as you reinstalled to whatever you were booting from until now, you probably won't have booting issues. I could be wrong here too. 3) Lots of updates I got a whole batch of updates, apparently coinciding with the release of Debian 7.2. Am I missing something in sources.list? Before wheezy these point releases were basically non-events for me because I had picked up the updates as they came out. Currently I have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free That's what I have as well. 4) Unknown Debian release: 7.1 At the very start of the install: Extracting templates from packages: 100% Preconfiguring packages ... supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 7.1 -- Why 7.1 would be unknown I don't know. I presume that is what I was running. One of the updates to base-files included the move to 7.2 as the base version but a) I don't think that would have taken effect so early in the installation process and b) I don't see why it would make 7.1 unknown. That is weird. If your /etc/debian_version says 7.2 without the quotes of course, you should be ok. Thanks. Ross Boylan You're welcome, and HTH. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013063159.ga21...@gregn.net
Re: Debian installer and raid0
Hello: I know that a correct software mirror raid is subject to failures, when anything wrong is written to both disks. And I also know that hardware mirror raid is subject to hardware failures. I said at the beginning that I keep two wheezy mirror-raid servers with the same data and software. Now that mirror raid in all my machines is fully in order (also thanks to you) I maintain three wheezy servers in the same situation (I recovered what had been set aside in order to have three different jobs going on). That is multiple backup. I can switch disks from one to another one. Very large data files are at the supercomputer center, where multiple backup is also carried out. As to inexpensive ssh access to my machines and supercomputer center, I use a cheap tablet, equipped with a physical US keyboard, where I installed a minimal linux (ssh, text editor, browser). That allows continuous access under a negligible electricity bill. Thanks again for all your help francesco PS: You did not comment whether the pipe' command that I use to verify grub has a general validity. As far as I could use it, I found it equivalent to examining each disk, one at a time. Cheers francesco On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Francesco Pietra wrote: I hope not to bother beyond the limit, but the security of mirror raid is something of utmost importance, at least in my work of biochemist, with very limited ability in recovering from disk failures. I must express concern. While RAID is very useful to keeping a system running across disk failures that it is not a backup. Even with RAID functioning perfectly it is possible to have accidental file deletion and other file mangling. A known good backup is still required! Having good RAID does not remove the need for a backup. Operating a critical system without backup is a scary thing. Important enough to repeat. A known good backup is still required! Bob
Re: linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 unbootable: /dev/disk/by-uuid not created
Okay, this is helpful. Unfortunately, I don't know a lot about Debian's initramfs scripts, and I'm fairly ignorant of udev beyond it's basic functions and rule files. So, advice on basic troubleshooting of udev would be helpful to me. I am going to go play with this system here shortly, so hopefully I can discover a little bit more which will be helpful to us. On 10/12/13 5:12 PM, Tom H wrote: Since the by-id links are being created, I assume that the answer to the following question will be yes but just in case: does lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules exist in the initramfs? Can you add a line to scripts/local to retrigger the udevadm creation of the by-uuid links? I don't know the deleted syntax offhand, sorry. (udevadm trigger ...) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525a44a4.2000...@opendreams.net
Re: mysteries with latest update
Ross Boylan wrote: Setting up lvm2 (2.02.95-8) ... [] Setting up LVM Volume Groups... Couldn't find device with uuid GKasb9-Qo8q-vC83-S0N7-cvUd-nE0J-EEeMgv. Couldn't find device with uuid eDiLHt-Pzom-tjdr-Ky12-Z6Gx-o3Iz-lYh1wL. [snip more errors] Refusing activation of partial LV cyrspool. Use --partial to override. Refusing activation of partial LV cyrlib. Use --partial to override. failed. update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated) You didn't really say but you implied that you had lost a disk or two? Run this: pvs Or: pvdisplay And if you have lost some of those physical volumes then you should definitely fix that problem soonest. I don't know the right fix. Perhaps vgreduce with perhaps --removemissing. But I have never been through that code path before. Though the last 2 messages look OK - Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 -- So, aside from the fact I'm missing disks that are not essential for operation, have my initrd's and grub been updated properly? Looks okay. But after fixing the lvm config I would definitely rebuild the initrd. Either of two different ways. # update-initramfs -u Or: # dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 2) Grub Reports Missing Disk Before any of the above I got a debconf dialog from grub: - | The GRUB boot loader was previously installed to a disk that is no longer present, or whose unique identifier has changed for some reason. It is important │ │ to make sure that the installed GRUB core image stays in sync with GRUB modules and grub.cfg. Please check again to make sure that GRUB is written to the│ │ appropriate boot devices. # followed by a list of devices on which to install grub I think that is because debconf stored that you previously chose disks that are no longer there. To fix that reconfigure grub. (Which you seem to have already done.) # dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc # or grub-legacy This seemed peculiar because one of the disks listed was the one on which GRUB was already installed. But previously you presumably picked other disks that are now missing. Anyway, I told it to install there again. It may be relevant that I am not booting off sda. sda likely also has grub on it, and some of the dead disks did as well. You see? This is where you tease us with real information about what happened on your system. Dead disks? Items like that are critical pieces of information. Any other critical information we should know about? Am I missing something in sources.list? Before wheezy these point releases were basically non-events for me because I had picked up the updates as they came out. Currently I have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free I think you should also have wheezy-updates. The old volatile section. It contains normal updates such as to tzdata for when DST changes and other such short schedule updates. I think you should have this list: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free 4) Unknown Debian release: 7.1 At the very start of the install: Extracting templates from packages: 100% Preconfiguring packages ... supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 7.1 -- Why 7.1 would be unknown I don't know. I presume that is what I was running. One of the updates to base-files included the move to 7.2 as the base version but a) I don't think that would have taken effect so early in the installation process and b) I don't see why it would make 7.1 unknown. I have no idea on this one. I haven't seen that on an upgrade yet. It feels to me like a message from one specific package. I would be inclined to grep through the postinst scripts looking to see which package may have said that. Maybe you will get a hit on something like this. grep -rl supported_versions: /var/lib/dpkg/info grep -rl Unknown Debian release /var/lib/dpkg/info Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mysteries with latest update
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 09:54:18PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: 3) Lots of updates I got a whole batch of updates, apparently coinciding with the release of Debian 7.2. Am I missing something in sources.list? Before wheezy these point releases were basically non-events for me because I had picked up the updates as they came out. Currently I have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free You might also want to have a look at: http://www.debian.org/./releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#stable-updates It should be relevant even if your arch isn't amd64. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013072724.ga24...@gregn.net
Re: Debian installer and raid0
Francesco Pietra wrote: PS: You did not comment whether the pipe' command that I use to verify grub has a general validity. As far as I could use it, I found it equivalent to examining each disk, one at a time. It was clever! It was definitely in the spirit of the Unix philosophy. At the same time it was unconventional. Like a fresh breeze. It did the job. I liked it! And I am glad to have helped you in some small way. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Oh I have fond memories of aptitude breaking my system. Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it. I had to reinstall apt from the debian packages website. In this new installation I gave it another try but when it started suggesting very weird plans (like remove all gnome packages) I happily went back to apt and never looked back. Please don't top-post. +1 If aptitude's such a destructive package, why is it still in the repositories? I think that aptitude works quite well for the easiest cases. And it is the only instrument I know which allow to see dependency chains. It was dselect some time ago which could do it too as I know, but now it seems to be dead. BTW, it provides with good capabilities for searching through packages. There're quite good beginnings in this project as you can see. So it's popular and is in the repository. I suspect that the problem's in the example above are simply PEBKAC. ^ So do I. User should think what he allowed program to do when he'd raised his privilages to root. PS: About odd letter 's' in 'examples'. Man. Whithout arguments, it seems to be rudeness. Observe netiquette. pgp38ioZlJCgF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Recursion is needed (Wheezy)
Dear all,
I just used Wheezy's BIND9.
There is a problem where checking nslookup, example nslookup www.google.com
But Recursion is needed.
1. resolv.conf
Search mydomain
127.0.0.1
My DNS's IP
Public DNS IP
2. named.conf.options
I have added :
allow-query { any; };
allow-recursion { any; };
But, the problems haven't solved yet.
Any idea ?
Thanks for advice,
Sent from BlackBerry®
Re: Recursion is needed (Wheezy)
Yudi wrote: I just used Wheezy's BIND9. There is a problem where checking nslookup, example nslookup www.google.com But Recursion is needed. Please show us what error you are having. Otherwise no one can help you. Please cut and past the error verbatim. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Ethernet bonding mode 5 only using one Slave adapter.
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.comwrote: On 10/11/2013 2:42 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: [Cut]. Are dual and quad port Intel NICs available in your country? Not very easily but yes, we can arrange. i personally have PCIe 4 Port intel NIC. so this can be arranged. I recommend Intel NICs because they simply work, every time, full bandwidth, full Linux kernel support, great feature set, etc. Very high quality, long lasting. I had an Intel Pro/100 in service in an MX mail server for over 10 years. Still works. Thats great thanks for the advice.BTW have you hosted any VM on this 100MB LAN :)? ... just a very basic question i am into virtualization for few years on Debian box. i never host a VM on external box. i have more then 10 nodes and all VMs are hosted on local Mdadm RAID drives. Just to have an idea. if you like to suggest. how many VM can be hosted on 1G link. i know your next statement will be it depends upon the utilization of your VM and decision would be made on IO stats basis Yes, it does depend on exactly that. but just asking in general how many general VMs can be hosted on 1G LAN that are more or less untouched throughout the day. If idle? As many as you can fit in memory up to the hypervisor limit, or virtual IP address limit, if there is a limit on these. It's possible to create VMs that have no network stack at all. In that case there is literally no limit WRT the shared GbE link. and my big big time confusion is backup the VM from Virtualization terminal. lets say for a while 2 VM are running on 1GB link and i am taking a backup of a VM from virtual server. as the server is connected to external storage on 1 GB link. first virtual server will bring all the virtual drive data from External box to local RAM via same 1GB link on which VMs are hosted. it does mean that when backup will start all other VMs has to suffer? so even if 1 VM is running and we are making/creating a backup then how can we avoid chocking the link or bottle neck. Ok, so apparently I misunderstood previously. I was under the impression that you had an NFS storage server box, a backup server box, and many physically boxes on which you were running virtual machines. I.e. 6 or more computers connected to a GbE switch. If I understand correctly now, all of your VMs are on one PC, and there is an NFS server somewhere on the network where you store the files. Is there a switch between the PC with all of the VMs, and the NFS server? If so... There are a couple of ways to address this: 1. Add another GbE interface on the PC and dedicate it to NFS traffic. You should be able to bind the NFS client to a specific IP address. This will require setting up source based routing so NFS traffic only uses the new interface. Without source based routing Linux will always use the first bound adapter for all outbound traffic. This dedicates the current NIC to everything other than NFS traffic, so the VMs have 1Gb/s for non-NFS traffic, and 1Gb/s for NFS traffic, 2Gb/s aggregate. This would be my preferred method. It's low cost, just a NIC and a cable. But you have a steep learning curve ahead WRT Linux routing. A bonus is you'll learn a lot about Linux networking in the process. 2. Implement QOS features in the switch, if it has them, to limit the amount of bandwidth used by NFS traffic. The problem with this method is that most switches don't allow this on a per port basis, but on a VLAN basis. Which means you'd be limiting NFS bandwidth everywhere, network wide, not just to the VM PC. Thanks for the advice, but i have found a feature to limit the bandwidth during backup in Qemu :) thanks for make me thing that way. ... any howto document on DRBD and GFS2 on debian? as i am using debian and only debian in overall environment. DRBD+GFS2 has got a native support on Redhat (as GFS2 is owned by Redhat). i do not have the experience nor confidence on stability of the both. i will be glad if you share any specific one with Debian. DRBD and GFS2 are both kernel modules. Their configuration on Debian should be little different than on any Linux distro. i found this http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/DRBD http://www.drbd.org/users-guide/ch-gfs.html ok i will go through with this however this is on RHEL very different from debian. anyways i will try to understand and run things on Debian. the above is Primary/Primary installation means both drbd drives can be mounted. but there is a question. if i can mount in Primary/Primary mode on both the nodes then what is the need of GFS? just asking for my learning. The key word here is mount. Linux cannot mount a block device. DRBD is a block device. Linux mounts filesystems. Filesystems reside on top of block devices. No two hosts can mount
Re: Re: virtualbox fails to compile module on 3.10
Dear Ralf, dear Hugo, I'm stuck with the same problem as Kent. I'm running on Wheezy with the 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 kernel (backports). The problem is actually that the virtualbox versions (esp. the OSE one) from the repositories do not work with new kernels (newer than 3.2 as far as I checked). It is clear that we can install the Oracle version, however it is not optimal. I installed the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and all dependencies obviously. Virtualbox version is 4.1.18. During install it returns the following: Stopping VirtualBox kernel modules. Starting VirtualBox kernel modulesNo suitable module for running kernel found ... failed! failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript virtualbox, action restart failed. Setting up virtualbox-qt (4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u1) ... Setting up virtualbox-ose-dkms (4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u1) ... Processing triggers for menu ... Then I tried to rebuild using dkms with the following result: dkms build virtualbox/4.1.18 -k 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64/amd64 Kernel preparation unnecessary for this kernel. Skipping... Building module: cleaning build area make KERNELRELEASE=3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 -C /lib/modules/3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64/build M=/var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build.(bad exit status: 2) Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 (amd64) Consult /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/make.log for more information. And after that the log looks like this: cat /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/make.log DKMS make.log for virtualbox-4.1.18 for kernel 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 (amd64) Sun Oct 13 11:06:00 CEST 2013 make: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64' LD /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/built-in.o LD /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/built-in.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/linux/SUPDrv-linux.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/SUPDrv.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/SUPDrvSem.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/alloc-r0drv.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/initterm-r0drv.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/memobj-r0drv.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/mpnotification-r0drv.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/powernotification-r0drv.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/linux/assert-r0drv-linux.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/linux/alloc-r0drv-linux.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/linux/initterm-r0drv-linux.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/linux/memobj-r0drv-linux.o /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/linux/memobj-r0drv-linux.c: In function ‘rtR0MemObjNativeMapUser’: /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/linux/memobj-r0drv-linux.c:1451:38: error: ‘VM_RESERVED’ undeclared (first use in this function) /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/linux/memobj-r0drv-linux.c:1451:38: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in make[4]: *** [/var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/linux/memobj-r0drv-linux.o] Error 1 make[3]: *** [/var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv] Error 2 make[2]: *** [_module_/var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build] Error 2 make[1]: *** [sub-make] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 make: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64' I suppose, that it is not intended for it to be that way, unfortunately I have neither an idea how to fix it nor resources for doing it. It would be great however, if someone were able to update the repositories (something such as here: http://www.preining.info/blog/2013/08/debian-virtualbox-kernel/) for the combination Wheezy, backport 3.10 kernel and the repository version of virtualbox. I know it is probably a lot to ask, but it will make our life easier by not having to go outside of the APT concept. I hope, that the provided logs here can help any enthusiast, who is planning on tackling this problem. Kind Regards, Nickolay -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525a65c7.50...@pharma.ethz.ch
Re: Oops - copied iso image to wrong device
On Sun 13 Oct 2013 at 00:54:44 +, mark ryan wrote: I was creating a bootable USB stick from an installer image on another external hard drive. I did a cat debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdb when I meant /dev/sdc. sdb was my external drive with the iso on it, and other files. I am now unable to mount that drive. What, if anything, can I do to recover that drive? The data on the drive are gone. Do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1 to remove all traces of the iso you put on it and start from scratch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/13102013105700.822ab27dc...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On 2013-10-13 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: I think that aptitude works quite well for the easiest cases. And it is the only instrument I know which allow to see dependency chains. It was dselect some time ago which could do it too as I know, but now it seems to be dead. BTW, it provides with good capabilities for searching through packages. Remember that aptitude has evolved quite a bit. The scenarios that you and some others describe are not necessarily pertinent anymore. When you use phrases like fond memories, please state how old these memories are ;). Any package manager, needless to say, is wholly dependent on the metadata in the packages, so if these are not sensible, they may come up with rash solutions. The great thing about aptitude (to me) is that it is so easy to leaf through broken packages, using the 'b' key in the curses interface, and then examine what the matter is with each package. Most often, I find that I can solve dependency problems by simply not upgrading one or more packages. You do that easily by typing 'v' on a broken package and then typing '+' on the already installed version. If using the resolver instead, the solution presented is often to remove the package or some other package. For instance, at the moment the package xul-ext-greasemonkey is marked as upgradable on my system, but the package's metadata has Iceweasel in a non-installable version as a dependency. Aptitude wants to remove xul-ext-greasemonkey and apt-get wants to remove Iceweasel. None of these solutions may be what you want, so simply keeping xul-ext-greasemonkey in the already installed version is an alternative that the command line solutions in the two package managers do not present the user. Morten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnl5kt6h.7l0@gatsby.mbjnet.dk
Re: linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 unbootable: /dev/disk/by-uuid not created
I did the following today: Indeed, the /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules file does exist in the initramfs. I tried udevadm control --reload-rules, but there was no output that I can use. I also think I tried it with --debug, and I saw some info, but nothing helpful. I decided to try to rebuild my 3.10-1 initramfs, to see if the newly build package would cause the same problems, and indeed it did. I have the old working initramfs, and now a broken one which gives the same behavior as the 3.10-3 version. So, it's not the kernel so much as it's something else being packaged on the initramfs. I'm thinking this is a udev problem thus far, but I really don't know that for certain yet. I'll decompress the initramfs files tomorrow and look at the differences between them. Unfortunately the host in question is important to me, and at a remote location, so I can't play with it right now. I will look into setting up a test system though and see if I can duplicate the problem locally. On 10/12/13 11:58 PM, Jesse Molina wrote: Okay, this is helpful. Unfortunately, I don't know a lot about Debian's initramfs scripts, and I'm fairly ignorant of udev beyond it's basic functions and rule files. So, advice on basic troubleshooting of udev would be helpful to me. I am going to go play with this system here shortly, so hopefully I can discover a little bit more which will be helpful to us. On 10/12/13 5:12 PM, Tom H wrote: Since the by-id links are being created, I assume that the answer to the following question will be yes but just in case: does lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules exist in the initramfs? Can you add a line to scripts/local to retrigger the udevadm creation of the by-uuid links? I don't know the deleted syntax offhand, sorry. (udevadm trigger ...) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525a76e0.3010...@opendreams.net
Debian mirror analysis by release
Is there a program out there that will scan a Debian mirror (E.G. created by debmirror) and, for each file in it, list the release(s) by which it's used ? Thanks in advance. -- André Majorel http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/ bugs.debian.org, a spammer's delight. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013101002.gh6...@aym.net2.nerim.net
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 12:24 +0200, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: On 2013-10-13 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: I think that aptitude works quite well for the easiest cases. And it is the only instrument I know which allow to see dependency chains. It was dselect some time ago which could do it too as I know, but now it seems to be dead. BTW, it provides with good capabilities for searching through packages. Remember that aptitude has evolved quite a bit. The scenarios that you and some others describe are not necessarily pertinent anymore. When you use phrases like fond memories, please state how old these memories are ;). Any package manager, needless to say, is wholly dependent on the metadata in the packages, so if these are not sensible, they may come up with rash solutions. The great thing about aptitude (to me) is that it is so easy to leaf through broken packages, using the 'b' key in the curses interface, and then examine what the matter is with each package. Most often, I find that I can solve dependency problems by simply not upgrading one or more packages. You do that easily by typing 'v' on a broken package and then typing '+' on the already installed version. If using the resolver instead, the solution presented is often to remove the package or some other package. For instance, at the moment the package xul-ext-greasemonkey is marked as upgradable on my system, but the package's metadata has Iceweasel in a non-installable version as a dependency. Aptitude wants to remove xul-ext-greasemonkey and apt-get wants to remove Iceweasel. None of these solutions may be what you want, so simply keeping xul-ext-greasemonkey in the already installed version is an alternative that the command line solutions in the two package managers do not present the user. Morten apt-mark hold package or echo package hold | dpkg --set-selections or Synaptic's lock option will lock the packages for apt-get. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381664559.765.136.camel@archlinux
Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:11:10PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote:
Friends,
For some reason, when I try to use pcmanfm as my user, I can not.
I can start it as other users on the system, or with gksu or sudo,
but not for my user.
Or, really, what happens is, it seems to start (can find processes and kill
them),
but no window appears. It seems to hang.
I tried to use gdb, but get no debug information.
What happens there is the whole thing (gdb and pcmanfm) hangs,
doing nothing, until I kill pcmanfm again, and gdb tells me nothing.
When I run it from terminal, likewise, I find no errors, nothing.
Just hangs (even if I run the command with pcmanfm , it just hangs the
terminal).
For all other users on the machine, it runs fine.
I'm at a loss for what else to do to diagnose the problem,
and, of course, at this juncture, I have no useful information for why
it is not running properly.
Yes, also, of course, I have killalled any such processes several times
before trying to start it again.
I've also tried with other WMs (I use openbox as a standalone, but have
also now tried with LXDE and with wmii, and still no joy. Have no other
WMs on the system at this time).
This is on wheezy.
I've even tried replacing my conf files in
~/.config/pcmanfm/{default,LXDE}/pcmanfm.conf
with the files from another user (and chowning them to me, of course),
to determine if there were something amiss in my config files,
but, alas, this too proved unproductive.
I don't know what else to do.
I'm still having this issue here.
So far, nobody has suggested anything than what I've already done.
Well, someone suggested looking in dmesg, but, of course, there's
absolutely nothing relevant there.
./taz
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Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 01:44:48PM +0200, Tazman Deville wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:11:10PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote:
Friends,
For some reason, when I try to use pcmanfm as my user, I can not.
I can start it as other users on the system, or with gksu or sudo,
but not for my user.
Or, really, what happens is, it seems to start (can find processes and kill
them),
but no window appears. It seems to hang.
I tried to use gdb, but get no debug information.
What happens there is the whole thing (gdb and pcmanfm) hangs,
doing nothing, until I kill pcmanfm again, and gdb tells me nothing.
When I run it from terminal, likewise, I find no errors, nothing.
Just hangs (even if I run the command with pcmanfm , it just hangs the
terminal).
For all other users on the machine, it runs fine.
I'm at a loss for what else to do to diagnose the problem,
and, of course, at this juncture, I have no useful information for why
it is not running properly.
Yes, also, of course, I have killalled any such processes several times
before trying to start it again.
I've also tried with other WMs (I use openbox as a standalone, but have
also now tried with LXDE and with wmii, and still no joy. Have no other
WMs on the system at this time).
This is on wheezy.
I've even tried replacing my conf files in
~/.config/pcmanfm/{default,LXDE}/pcmanfm.conf
with the files from another user (and chowning them to me, of course),
to determine if there were something amiss in my config files,
but, alas, this too proved unproductive.
I don't know what else to do.
I'm still having this issue here.
So far, nobody has suggested anything than what I've already done.
Well, someone suggested looking in dmesg, but, of course, there's
absolutely nothing relevant there.
Oh, and something I've neglected to mention:
I have also aptitude remove purged it and reinstalled it, as well,
several times, and this also produces no change.
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Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 13:44 +0200, Tazman Deville wrote: Well, someone suggested looking in dmesg, but, of course, there's absolutely nothing relevant there. This would display the output of the kernel ring buffer, to see what's going wrong during a session, first take a look at ~/.xsession-errors and/or ~/.xsession-errors.old. less ~/.xsession-errors I don't know if this is useful, but I would test it too: strace /usr/bin/pcmanfm¹ ¹or what ever the path and name is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381665979.765.143.camel@archlinux
Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 13:46 +0200, Tazman Deville wrote: Oh, and something I've neglected to mention: I have also aptitude remove purged it and reinstalled it, as well, several times, and this also produces no change. Did you remove it's configuration file(s) in $HOME/??? too? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381666183.765.145.camel@archlinux
Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 14:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: less ~/.xsession-errors Since you don't get an output, when you launch pcmanfm in a terminal, take a look if .xsession-errors shows something that might be related to pcmanfm, unlikely that there will be output for pcmanfm. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381666825.765.148.camel@archlinux
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On 2013-10-13 Ralf Mardorf wrote: apt-mark hold package or echo package hold | dpkg --set-selections or Synaptic's lock option Sure. But the gist of the discussion to me was the point of view of the naive user, i.e. how the two package managers behave out of the box. No compelling arguments have been provided that one is better than the other in that respect. Morten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnl5l4u1.a83@gatsby.mbjnet.dk
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 6:21 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 11.10.2013 23:06, Brian a écrit : are you root? It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyway have the *authorizations* to tinker it. It's what root, or to be more precise, uid=0 means in linux OSes. In some countries, owning a car does not authorize you to tinker with it. Many who are the defacto admin for their system(s) do not claim to be a sysadmin. But they are still the only admin the system has. Sysadmin has multiple meanings, and possession of a piece of paper is, frankly, one of the less meaningful meanings I can think of. (I still plan to take the LPIC level 2 when I have some extra money.) But being able to install and update a debian box is part of what gets tested in the LPIC exams. If you can get a debian box up and a Fedora box up, if you can read a shell script and have some idea what's going on, if you can set apache up, if you can fiddle with your X server, that's most of a passing grade on the LPIC level 1, and then you can be a Jr. Sysadmin on paper. (Well, there are a few more things you want to get down, too. Permissions basics, basics of TCP-IP, SSH and such, but you generally pick those up while you're learning how to install the system and packages.) -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caar43ipdn8nu2rlm9up6yjurv_tmp4vwhkgsndxs1ezx_sr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)
Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: 2. I base my preseed.cfg on the example at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt . Near the end of the install process I'm asked to specify a keyboard layout though one was specified near the beginning of the file. Pass DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 to the commandline and, when the installation stops, switch to VT4 to see which preseed value is blocking the progress The relavant line appears to be Oct 11 19:15:56 debconf: -- INPUT critical keyboard-configuration/layout So you need to preseed keyboard-configuration/layout. How ;) I followed the pastern of a legal line I.E.: # keymap is an alias for keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap d-i keymap select us I tried both: d-i keyboard-configuration/layout select English (US) and d-i keyboard-configuration/layout select us neither worked. I found a workaround based on http://lists.debian.org/k8ktht$mt5$1...@ger.gmane.org by adding to the boot command keymap=us debian-installer/keymap=us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525a9b3f.8080...@cloud85.net
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Morten Bo Johansen wrote: On 2013-10-13 Ralf Mardorf wrote: apt-mark hold package or echo package hold | dpkg --set-selections or Synaptic's lock option Sure. But the gist of the discussion to me was the point of view of the naive user, i.e. how the two package managers behave out of the box. No compelling arguments have been provided that one is better than the other in that respect. For what it's worth: Every time I try to use Aptitude, I find myself confused and/or not getting the results I need. As a result, I keep using apt-* Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525a9bba.20...@meetinghouse.net
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: J[...] Now.. as to the larger question at hand: Personally, I run, support, and configure: - my own computers (laptop, development sandbox under my desk, android smartphone, android tablet, backup storage device, printer) - my family's computers (multiple laptops and handhelds, storage devices, network storage service, more printers, household network) - a work-provided laptop (dual-administered by the company's IT and network admins - large microsoft environment) - a department sharepoint server (shared admin role with several other people - running on a virtual machine, someone else administers the cluster) - 4-server high-availablility cluster sitting in commercial data center (leftover from a hosting business I used to have, currently a combination of a development sandbox and a product system for a bunch of email users, lists, and web servers - mostly for local non-profits) Do I consider myself a sysadmin (and/or a netadmin)? Well: - I used to sell hosting services for a living, and did most of the systems administration involved in doing so - I certainly administer a significant number of machines and network devices/services, and, - for some of them, I'm on call 24x7 (my phone rings if the cluster goes down), but... - none of this is paid for, and other than the cluster, it's all informal - I don't have a particularly in-depth familiarity with things like Nagios, serious shell scripting, any of the new devops tools, storage area networks - hence, I probably could not go out and get a full-time job as a professional systems or network administrator Bottom Line: - I certainly feel comfortable saying that I DO a lot of systems and network administration, - I would feel on very shakey grounds calling myself a (professional) system or network administrator (it's not my day job) - I wouldn't put it on my resume anywhere other than as a couple of bullet points re. skills - certainly not as a title I could lay claim to Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra It sounds like you could pass the LPIC level 2 exam with maybe a few hours of review. Easily. (Maybe you already have.) One question would be whether you would want your potential employer to be maybe planning on saddling you with an unofficial sysadmin role or not. The reason I jumped into this thread is that I tend to think of it as a good thing when people start taking responsibility for their own computing/communicating equipment. Thus it was my intent to encourage the guy who started the original thread to keep thinking of himself as the guy in charge of his hardware. -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caar43ioooyxubtgs8bojaj8idokpheqfase19_6ogq2tykv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 7:11 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [...] if you think that people are free to give themselves the label they want, so you must accept that other are also free to give the labels they want. Long time ago, I studied the dark side of computer sciences, and the first things I have learn are that you can not claim to be a hacker, or elite, or... If you do so, then people will name you lamer. You are a hacker if other people recognize you as such. There is a difference between the three words. Elite is something that truly elite people do not try to be. Nor do they care if they are called such. That's the irony of l33+. Hacker is, again, not something you try to be. Either you hack or you hesitate. People (like me) who tend to talk tend not to hack so much. System administrator is actually a role that needs to be filled. The truth here is simple: you are not what you want, only other people can define who you really are. Which I can acknowledge is relevant about elite hackers, but I think it's missing the point about system administrators. If you (the general you) own hardware that doesn't have a system administrator, you need to fix that situation. Maybe it means you need to step into the role. -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iOxMAPkL4TUt=ynK4hJM32BA0btG0o3hkhOY3=mprn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 unbootable: /dev/disk/by-uuid not created
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Jesse Molina wrote: As I said before, the md RAIDs are being assembled. udev, or something else, is failing to properly create the device nodes. A shot in the dark but... Have you added a new md device recently but forgotten to update the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file? The initrd creation will only have the information about it if it is in that file. I have the same problem as Jesse, roughly since the update to mdadm-3.3 in Sid. Suddenly, only UUID symlinks to real devices are present in /dev/disk/by-uuid while inside the initramfs, links to device-mapper devices or md-devices are missing. The devices itself are fine, as /proc/mdstat and the output of lvs confirm. I am able to boot if I set GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true in /etc/default/grub, because that sets root=/dev/md0 instead of root=UUID= Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4a4gsibfr...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
Joel Rees wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: J[...] Now.. as to the larger question at hand: snip Bottom Line: - I certainly feel comfortable saying that I DO a lot of systems and network administration, - I would feel on very shakey grounds calling myself a (professional) system or network administrator (it's not my day job) - I wouldn't put it on my resume anywhere other than as a couple of bullet points re. skills - certainly not as a title I could lay claim to It sounds like you could pass the LPIC level 2 exam with maybe a few hours of review. Easily. (Maybe you already have.) Probably. One question would be whether you would want your potential employer to be maybe planning on saddling you with an unofficial sysadmin role or not. Hell no (though I have taken on some sharepoint administration of late - purely out of self-defense). Purely as a personal matter, my current pay-grade is way above that of systems admins in the companies I work with/for (and they make a good living). And do I want to go back to being on call 24/7 - double hell no. :-) The reason I jumped into this thread is that I tend to think of it as a good thing when people start taking responsibility for their own computing/communicating equipment. Thus it was my intent to encourage the guy who started the original thread to keep thinking of himself as the guy in charge of his hardware. That's kind of a good point. Personally, I go back and forth on this one. Do I want to control my own equipment, absolutely. Do I want to be administering my family's stuff, not really, but someone has to. Do I want to administer company-provided resources, hell no - I just want it to work. As an engineer, though, I figure anything that requires very much administration is pretty poorly designed - which, unfortunately, refers to the state-of-the-practice for most current technology. Sigh... Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525aa4f4.70...@meetinghouse.net
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 7:11 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [...] if you think that people are free to give themselves the label they want, so you must accept that other are also free to give the labels they want. Long time ago, I studied the dark side of computer sciences, and the first things I have learn are that you can not claim to be a hacker, or elite, or... If you do so, then people will name you lamer. You are a hacker if other people recognize you as such. There is a difference between the three words. Elite is something that truly elite people do not try to be. Nor do they care if they are called such. That's the irony of l33+. That's kind of a debateable statement. Those who achieve eliteness probably don't care about the lable, but to actually BE elite at anything, you pretty much have to always be seeking that next challenge, and pushing your knowledge and skills - very few of the elite are pure naturals. It takes work (or trying). [Just check out how many baseballs David Ortiz swings at during practice. :-)] Just one man's opinion, of course. Miles -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525aa5d5.3090...@meetinghouse.net
ukash hijacked iceweasel
Somehow my iceweasel has been infected with the UKASH scam. I have tried my kapersky rescue disc and it told me my system has been cleaned (this disc was made late 2011/early 2012 and it did an update prior to scanning). If I run iceweasel after a reboot the ukash blocker shows up. How can I get rid of this without 'blowing' away all the info on my HD (primarily icedove mail). John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525aa717.6070...@sentex.net
Re: ukash hijacked iceweasel
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 09:58 -0400, John Lindsay wrote: Somehow my iceweasel has been infected with the UKASH scam. I have tried my kapersky rescue disc and it told me my system has been cleaned (this disc was made late 2011/early 2012 and it did an update prior to scanning). If I run iceweasel after a reboot the ukash blocker shows up. How can I get rid of this without 'blowing' away all the info on my HD (primarily icedove mail). IIUC this is the thingy that doesn't allow to close a tab. When this happens for Firefox here, I kill Firefox and then start it again. Firefox usually asks, if the last session should be restored or not, so don't restore the killed session. If Firefox shouldn't ask but automatically restore the killed session, then it usually does work, to close the tabs, before the site is loaded. After this Firefox is ok again and can be closed and opened without issues. I usually do the same for sites that ask again and again, if you want to leave the page or if you want to stay. This crap is a PITA, even reliable web pages sometimes ask, if you are sure, that you want to leave their website. To ask isn't bad per se, but I never noticed this question, when it makes sense and it especially doesn't make sense to ask this questions 20 times, before you can leave. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381674837.743.10.camel@archlinux
Re: ukash hijacked iceweasel
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 16:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 09:58 -0400, John Lindsay wrote: Somehow my iceweasel has been infected with the UKASH scam. I have tried my kapersky rescue disc and it told me my system has been cleaned (this disc was made late 2011/early 2012 and it did an update prior to scanning). If I run iceweasel after a reboot the ukash blocker shows up. How can I get rid of this without 'blowing' away all the info on my HD (primarily icedove mail). IIUC this is the thingy that doesn't allow to close a tab. When this happens for Firefox here, I kill Firefox and then start it again. Firefox usually asks, if the last session should be restored or not, so don't restore the killed session. If Firefox shouldn't ask but automatically restore the killed session, then it usually does work, to close the tabs, before the site is loaded. After this Firefox is ok again and can be closed and opened without issues. I usually do the same for sites that ask again and again, if you want to leave the page or if you want to stay. This crap is a PITA, even reliable web pages sometimes ask, if you are sure, that you want to leave their website. To ask isn't bad per se, but I never noticed this question, when it makes sense and it especially doesn't make sense to ask this questions 20 times, before you can leave. PS: You also could delete iceweasel files only, or use a new profile and ignore the old profile, or restore your last backup. You don't need to wipe out all data on your HDD. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381675306.743.14.camel@archlinux
Re: Oops - copied iso image to wrong device
Am Sonntag, 13. Oktober 2013, 11:00:50 schrieb Brian: On Sun 13 Oct 2013 at 00:54:44 +, mark ryan wrote: I was creating a bootable USB stick from an installer image on another external hard drive. I did a cat debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdb when I meant /dev/sdc. sdb was my external drive with the iso on it, and other files. I am now unable to mount that drive. What, if anything, can I do to recover that drive? If some sectors are3 not overwritten, you might eb able to rescue some files (pictures, textfiles or similar) by using foremost or scalpel. Checkout a forensic livefile system. I suggest DEFT-7.2 (32-bit) or DEFT-8.0 (only 64-bit). It has got some nioce tools on it, so it might be not everything is lost. Good luck! Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2212492.bBjRUiarkX@protheus2
Problems creating preseed.cfg - syntax?
I'm having several problems getting desired results from preseeding. My Environment: No internet/LAN Install media Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 Wheezy - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20130615-21:54 preseed.cfg on USB stick Section B.4. Contents of the preconfiguration file (for wheezy) at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en states: # Depending on what software you choose to install, or if things go wrong # during the installation process, it's possible that other questions may # be asked. You can preseed those too, of course. To get a list of every # possible question that could be asked during an install, do an # installation, and then run these commands: # debconf-get-selections --installer file # debconf-get-selections file I also found the same information in B.3. Creating a preconfiguration file http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs03.html.en . Unfortunately when I try bash responds command not found. The existing install was a manual install from DVD1 using default answers except for user/password/etc. Confirmed debconf installed by checking with synaptic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525abaa7.8020...@cloud85.net
Re: ukash hijacked iceweasel
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:58:47 -0400 John Lindsay jcl...@sentex.net wrote: Somehow my iceweasel has been infected with the UKASH scam. I have tried my kapersky rescue disc and it told me my system has been cleaned (this disc was made late 2011/early 2012 and it did an update prior to scanning). If I run iceweasel after a reboot the ukash blocker shows up. How can I get rid of this without 'blowing' away all the info on my HD (primarily icedove mail). John As far I see, Kaspersky supports only Windows. If you use Debian or similar OS, try ClamAV. -- http://mr.flossdaily.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013181118.78e99...@eunet.rs
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Morten Bo Johansen m...@spamcop.net writes: Sure. But the gist of the discussion to me was the point of view of the naive user, i.e. how the two package managers behave out of the box. Out of the box? Sorry, I'm frightened when I'm talking with oracle. I see you can read so well between the lines. No compelling arguments have been provided that one is better than the other in that respect. Nobody in this thread told that one's better than other. pgpWzEM_h2e8d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems creating preseed.cfg - syntax?
On 2013-10-13, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Unfortunately when I try bash responds command not found. apt-get install debconf-utils http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/debconf-utils/filelist -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnl5lhq1.3a5.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: which file should I download
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 01:36:56 +0530 Anjan Mitra anjan.k.s...@gmail.com wrote: debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso 2013-06-16 01:39 3.7G debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso 2013-06-16 01:39 4.4G debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso 2013-06-16 01:39 4.4G debian-update-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-update-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso 2013-06-16 05:34 2.9G Before installing Debian please read Installation Manual: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en Otherwise you can lose your data. In the manual there is also section about downloading installation media and many other very useful information. -- http://mr.flossdaily.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013182605.3251d...@eunet.rs
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Morten Bo Johansen m...@spamcop.net writes: On 2013-10-13 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: I think that aptitude works quite well for the easiest cases. And it is the only instrument I know which allow to see dependency chains. It was dselect some time ago which could do it too as I know, but now it seems to be dead. BTW, it provides with good capabilities for searching through packages. Remember that aptitude has evolved quite a bit. The scenarios that you and some others describe are not necessarily pertinent anymore. It was about a year ago. Most often, I find that I can solve dependency problems by simply not upgrading one or more packages. You do that easily... ...hold them with apt-mark. But I prefer pinning. For instance, at the moment the package xul-ext-greasemonkey is marked as upgradable on my system, but the package's metadata has Iceweasel in a non-installable version as a dependency. Aptitude wants to remove xul-ext-greasemonkey and apt-get wants to remove Iceweasel. In this case apt-get usually wants to keep package not upgraded. And, btw, why don't you use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade? Well, folks, it was an interesting thread, but I think it needs to be finished. We've just started another holywar discussion. It is sad. pgprs8MQPaYM8.pgp Description: PGP signature
64-bit VM on 32-bit host OS on 64-bit hardware
Can you run an amd64 virtual machine if the host is running Debian i386 ? The hardware would be a recent AMD CPU, so Pacifica/AMD-V is available. The virtualisation systems I'm most interested in are KVM and Xen but if this sort of configuration is not possible under every platform virtual machines, I'd like to know about it. Thanks in advance. -- André Majorel http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/ lists.debian.org, a spammer's favourite. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013164248.gi6...@aym.net2.nerim.net
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 01:10:14PM -0300, msl09 wrote: Oh I have fond memories of aptitude breaking my system. Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it. I had to reinstall apt from the debian packages website. In this new installation I gave it another try but when it started suggesting very weird plans(like remove all gnome packages) ... It seems like aptitude has gotten a lot smarter lately. :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013170233.GD25339@tal
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 02:56:13AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 19:40 -0400, Tom H wrote: I suspect that the problem's in the examples above are simply PEBKAC. Likely, since the libre to break a system temporarily sometimes is needed to fix issues, or to make transitions. We are humans, so something like Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it happens from time to time. ... Is it that badly worded? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013170434.GE25339@tal
Re: 64-bit VM on 32-bit host OS on 64-bit hardware
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 18:42 +0200, Andre Majorel wrote: Can you run an amd64 virtual machine if the host is running Debian i386 ? The hardware would be a recent AMD CPU, so Pacifica/AMD-V is available. The virtualisation systems I'm most interested in are KVM and Xen but if this sort of configuration is not possible under every platform virtual machines, I'd like to know about it. https://startpage.com -- linux 32-bit host 64-bit guest -- e.g. http://serverfault.com/questions/64127/can-i-run-64-bit-vm-guests-on-a-32-bit-host e.g. http://askubuntu.com/questions/180761/can-i-use-virtualbox-with-a-64-bit-image-in-a-32-bit-host Hth, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381683923.743.17.camel@archlinux
Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 02:05:23PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: May be 3 years ago now, but I tried various options back then, and mpop was the fastest (really fast compared to fetchmail) which did not have other problems for me, at that time. Three years is a long time for a piece of software, a lot can improve in that time. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013171254.GF25339@tal
Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: 2. I base my preseed.cfg on the example at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt . Near the end of the install process I'm asked to specify a keyboard layout though one was specified near the beginning of the file. Pass DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 to the commandline and, when the installation stops, switch to VT4 to see which preseed value is blocking the progress The relavant line appears to be Oct 11 19:15:56 debconf: -- INPUT critical keyboard-configuration/layout So you need to preseed keyboard-configuration/layout. How ;) I followed the pastern of a legal line I.E.: # keymap is an alias for keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap d-i keymap select us I tried both: d-i keyboard-configuration/layout select English (US) and d-i keyboard-configuration/layout select us neither worked. I found a workaround based on http://lists.debian.org/k8ktht$mt5$1...@ger.gmane.org by adding to the boot command keymap=us debian-installer/keymap=us d-i keyboard-configuration/layout string us What you added corresponds to d-i debian-installer/keymap string us but if it works, why not? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sy6eLZvGNGgJmHCxapbP=epo1qez0+9j+uhc29atkm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 06:04 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 02:56:13AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 19:40 -0400, Tom H wrote: I suspect that the problem's in the examples above are simply PEBKAC. Likely, since the libre to break a system temporarily sometimes is needed to fix issues, or to make transitions. We are humans, so something like Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it happens from time to time. ... Is it that badly worded? No, but it's a mistake to enter yes after unconcentrated reading when you're root. 1. Unconcentrated reading might cause that you're thinking upgrade while it is a remove. 2. Even if it's an upgrade, check what should be upgraded, before you upgrade. Perhaps the distro has got a homepage with news about latest upgrades. There's pathological dissociation, but also normal dissociation. It's human to be unconcentrated. If a human e.g. drives each day the same way from home to work by car, then it often happens that this quasi is done unknowingly/automated. You still will notice traffic lights etc., there's less risk by this normal dissociation, but if you do something administrative this normality is dangerous, that's why means of protection are needed. We should train to change our behaviour, when doing something administrative, IOW after giving the root password and we should make backups. Training this does work, but isn't perfect, so we still could make a mistake. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381685487.743.35.camel@archlinux
Re: Set widescreen resolution in console
Antonio Paiva arp2...@gmail.com writes: I have recently acquired an old Sony Vaio PCG-C1VN (aka, a PictureBook) and installed Debian wheezy. The problem is that I can only get the *console* to run at 640x480 resolution. First of all, have you tried to boot your kernel with vga=ask option? I did try vga=ask but that option is no longer supported by the debian kernel. Is new kernel essential? For example, I am using Debian Jessie with a kernel 3.2 from Wheezy release because of some driver problems. If this is not a variant for you, I guess you should dig into framebuffer info. pgpbuyDVAyaSi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On 13/10/13 01:02 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 01:10:14PM -0300, msl09 wrote: Oh I have fond memories of aptitude breaking my system. Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it. I had to reinstall apt from the debian packages website. In this new installation I gave it another try but when it started suggesting very weird plans(like remove all gnome packages) ... It seems like aptitude has gotten a lot smarter lately. :) Not this morning it wasn't. Aptitude has been refusing to do a full upgrade on my Jessie system for the past two weeks because it said it needed xorg-video-abi-12 but it said it is not installable. Well, not so. I tried running Synaptic this morning and it had no problem finding what it needed and installing it. I still don't understand what the difference was but Synaptic did what aptitude said it couldn't do. What could be the difference ? Does Synaptic not use the same repo source files aptitude uses? Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525adc13.7050...@videotron.ca
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 13:44 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: Does Synaptic not use the same repo source files aptitude uses? IIRC it does, but it perhaps doesn't use the same configurations, e.g. to hold packages. I don't remember and might confuse it with another tool. Mixing tools could be tricky. That different tools for the package management aren't in sync not only is a drawback, it also could be an advantage in some situations. Perhaps you're using one browser that allows cookies and another that doesn't. Should this be synced for all browsers, so hat all allow or don't allow cookies? For some users this might be perfect, but others might want a browser, that does allow it and another that doesn't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381687631.743.47.camel@archlinux
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:11:01AM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: If you own a system you control it and can do whatever you like with it. You can give yourself whatever label you want (sysadmin, superuser, top dog etc) - it matters not. How about Debian Despot? Oh, of course, if you speak about giving yourself a label, then, fine. Take the one you want. But, it does not mean that you can claim to be a professional, or that you can say someone is a professional. Nowhere has anyone said that administering your own system makes you a professional system administrator. But whether you like it or not, if you own a linux system then you have to take up system administrator duties, IOW you are *the* system administrator. Take the label you want. But if you take the label of programmer because you can only write a hello world, and will own the source code. But then do not be surprised if other people gives you the label of liar. WTF! What is this label business? Do qualifications exist in your country? When someone applies for a job, whatever label they give themselves doesn't matter a hoot, if they don't have the necessary experience/qualifications then they won't get the job. Is the level of corruption in your country an issue in this regard? It is the same with sysadmin. You can own your computer, be only able to install softwares and use those excuses to label yourself a sysadmin. But then, other people are also free to give you the label of liar. Don't confuse role and profession/career. A person can be a weekend mechanic (role) but not be a mechanic (profession/career). The truth here is simple: you are not what you want, only other people can define who you really are. That is very sad that you think this way. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013184132.GG25339@tal
RE: Set widescreen resolution in console
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:14:14 -0400, Antonio Paiva wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 00:25:06 +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: First of all, have you tried to boot your kernel with vga=ask option? Thank you Dmitrii. I did try vga=ask but that option is no longer supported by the debian kernel. On the grub console, I also tried vbeinfo and couldn't find the 1024x480 mode. And vbetest only worked with 640x480. Strictly speaking, vga is not a kernel option. That is, it cannot be passed on the kernel command line. It has to be specified by the boot loader by zapping the kernel boot sector before transferring control to the kernel. There has to be special support in the boot loader for the vga option. As I said in a previous post, vga does not work with the linux and initrd statements in grub2. You have to use linux16 and initrd16 instead. See my previous post for more information. I use the lilo boot loader, and the vga option works just fine with it, even on current jessie kernels. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/564578903.3659969.1381689768389.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: mysteries with latest update
Thanks everyone for the feedback. Bob asked for more information about what is going on with my system. I have some dead or detached disks; since they might come back I don't want to eliminate them from LVM's knowledge yet. Here's the fuller story. It seems simplest to explain chronologically. In the beginning was a system with a mix of IDE and SATA disks. Some of these had been in other systems before, and there were 2 separate LVM volume groups. The computer and the primary (SATA) disk died. I had another, diskless, PC, to which I attached a new drive (call it fred) and installed a new system. That was Debian wheezy just before release. I attached some of the other drives through a drive case and fiddled with recovery. Then I got a new, regular PC, which came with a SSD on sda that had Ubuntu preinstalled. I moved most of the non-damaged disks to the new system. It has limited IDE and so I only attached one of those. fred is my primary boot disk on the new machine. Since then, the IDE drive seems to have died, but it may be just a cabling issue. Someone suggested I might be able to recover the original dead SATA drive by putting it in the freezer. So all of the disks that are detached might come back, either because I fix the failure or attach the IDE. Thus I do not want to removed them from LVM just yet. On the other hand, I have backups, and so I am reconstructing using them rather than monkeying around with the absent drives. The one other oddity is that one of the GPT tables has gotten a little funky Using /dev/sde (parted) p Error: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used. OK/Cancel? OK Warning: Not all of the space available to /dev/sde appears to be used, you can fix the GPT to use all of the space (an extra 4 blocks) or continue with the current setting? Fix/Ignore? I Model: WDC WD20 EARS-00MVWB0 (scsi) Disk /dev/sde: 2000GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: gpt Number Start End SizeFile system Name Flags 1 20.5kB 1000MB 1000MB 1 2 1000MB 2000GB 1999GB 2 I'm not sure what's going on; I definitely did some manipulations on the GPT table, but since they were all with standard tools I don't know why it would be corrupt. Again, I've been deferring any action, including the suggested repair, to focus on other things. Because some of the LVM VG's are incomplete, rebooting is a bit rough. The usual scripts detect there is a problem and drop me into a shell in the initrd. vgchange -ay and some crypto stuff gets the disks in shape, and I can then proceed with the pivot to my regular OS. Ross
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 09:19:18PM +0100, Joe wrote: though most include routers and other useless stuff. ..when it is normally customary to refer to them as routers. Pedants might call them modem-routers, but nobody else does. Um, you can get routers without a modem, so the difference is important and not just pedantry! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013185350.GH25339@tal
Logitech unified wireless
I ran into a snag getting this set up on my new computer. I found a gem of info online, telling me I had to use a USB 2 port and not a USB 3 port, but it still wouldn't work. I finally figured out it was a pairing problem, due to me having multiple keyboards, mice, and unifying receivers. I used the Logitech app on my Mac to set which keyboard went with which receiver, and after some musical receiver plugging and unplugging it all works perfectly now. Just thought I would share in case anybody else runs into this scenario. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013140517.5e33959a@zareason-limbo5880
Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 04:48:12PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: This has nothing to do with Windows. You need to set your MUA to use word wrap. Stop bitching about Windows and fix your MUA. Umm no. The above is what *YOU* sent! Official third party repository :D. Your MUA is broken, not my MUA! +1089 -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013191654.GI25339@tal
Re: ukash hijacked iceweasel
Hi. On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 09:58 -0400, John Lindsay wrote: IIUC this is the thingy that doesn't allow to close a tab. When this happens for Firefox here, I kill Firefox and then start it again. Firefox usually asks, if the last session should be restored or not, so don't restore the killed session. If Firefox shouldn't ask but automatically restore the killed session, then it usually does work, to close the tabs, before the site is loaded. After this Firefox is ok again and can be closed and opened without issues. Disable javascript, reload offending tab (optional), close offending tab, enable javascript. I mean, why bother with complex solutions if there are simple ones? Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131014000626.cc1af515276cfc71844cc...@gmail.com
Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)
Tom H wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: 2. I base my preseed.cfg on the example at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt . Near the end of the install process I'm asked to specify a keyboard layout though one was specified near the beginning of the file. Pass DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 to the commandline and, when the installation stops, switch to VT4 to see which preseed value is blocking the progress The relavant line appears to be Oct 11 19:15:56 debconf: -- INPUT critical keyboard-configuration/layout So you need to preseed keyboard-configuration/layout. How ;) I followed the pastern of a legal line I.E.: # keymap is an alias for keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap d-i keymap select us I tried both: d-i keyboard-configuration/layout select English (US) and d-i keyboard-configuration/layout select us neither worked. I found a workaround based on http://lists.debian.org/k8ktht$mt5$1...@ger.gmane.org by adding to the boot command keymap=us debian-installer/keymap=us d-i keyboard-configuration/layout string us Just tried. It didn't apparently do anything. I'm still prompted to specify keyboard layout : What you added corresponds to d-i debian-installer/keymap string us Hmmm that works in preseed.cfg. but if it works, why not? 'Cause I see lots of installs in my future. 'Cause I've detail oriented outlook. I want to know how things work want them to work right. Have I found a bug? Should it be filed against the software or the documentation? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525aff19.6000...@cloud85.net
Re: virtualbox fails to compile module on 3.10
Hi. On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:20:07 +0200 Nickolay Todoroff nickolay.todor...@pharma.ethz.ch wrote: I'm stuck with the same problem as Kent. I'm running on Wheezy with the 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 kernel (backports). The problem is actually that the virtualbox versions (esp. the OSE one) from the repositories do not work with new kernels (newer than 3.2 as far as I checked). It is clear that we can install the Oracle version, however it is not optimal. The source of your problem is - you've installed backported kernel, but didn't install backported virtualbox module source. Please consider installing these packages (and upgrade your virtualbox to 4.2.16 from backports): http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/virtualbox-dkms http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/virtualbox Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131014001725.80991628ecd632411fffe...@gmail.com
Re: Re: virtualbox fails to compile module on 3.10
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:20:07AM +0200, Nickolay Todoroff wrote: Dear Ralf, dear Hugo, I'm stuck with the same problem as Kent. I'm running on Wheezy with the 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 kernel (backports). The problem is actually that the virtualbox versions (esp. the OSE one) from the repositories do not work with new kernels (newer than 3.2 as far as I checked). It is clear that we can install the Oracle version, however it is not optimal. I am neither Ralf or Hugo, but I do have a suggestion which I think will help you. Why not simply install virtualbox from wheezy-backports? I think that should solve this issue. BTW, there is no such thing as virtualbox-ose anymore. That's a transitional package only nowadays. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013202058.ga1...@gregn.net
xtrs z80
Hi guys, Is xtrs broken under wheezy? I cant manage to run it. I only get a blank window. Anyone here uses it? Thanks! Beco. -- Dr Beco A.I. researcher Sometimes the heart sees what is invisible to the eye. (H. Jackson Brown Jr.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALuYw2z58etd7wCeVL59J49x4LtW6xg4TMCTa=wjphi-a+o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Oops - copied iso image to wrong device
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:00:50AM +0100, Brian wrote: The data on the drive are gone. Do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1 to remove all traces of the iso you put on it and start from scratch. …why? As things currently stand, the user could possibly reconstruct the partition table and recover most of their data, or, use forensic recovery tools that don't rely on the FS being intact to identify and recover bits past the ISO-length offset into the drive. If they do as you suggest, they rule out any of the above recovery options. What do they gain? If they are to write off the drive, they could plop a new partition table on top of things as they stand, mkfs on the partitions, and start over, without having to wait for the dd to complete. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013204940.GB1529@debian
Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0
Mark Allums wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: I don't nag about endless lines, ... It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument about not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues for the list, when you're using Windows, ... IOW you might not experience issues with your computer, with Mate and/or Windows, but you at least cause issues when using Windows. I believe it is _possible_ to use Windows without causing problems. In theory anyway. But it is definitely very much harder to do so. This has nothing to do with Windows. You need to set your MUA to use word wrap. Stop bitching about Windows and fix your MUA. Negative. This is controlled by the sender. If you want your text to be word wrapped by the reader then the sender is obliged to set format=flowed. Outlook has long been wrongly sending long lined messages without using that setting. But it is wrong. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 unbootable: /dev/disk/by-uuid not created
Sven Hartge wrote: I have the same problem as Jesse, roughly since the update to mdadm-3.3 in Sid. I am using mdadm 3.3-1 in Sid on the machine I am typing this on now. But I am using LVM which might be the difference. With LVM the UUIDs are present but are one layer deeper in the LVM PV layer. Suddenly, only UUID symlinks to real devices are present in /dev/disk/by-uuid while inside the initramfs, links to device-mapper devices or md-devices are missing. Hmm... I am able to boot if I set GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true in /etc/default/grub, because that sets root=/dev/md0 instead of root=UUID= Can you verify that the UUID of your root device and the UUID that doesn't boot on grub's kernel command line are the same? And old Squeeze system shows me an example. (Couldn't find anything newer that I am not using LVM upon.) $ cat /proc/cmdline BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=UUID=afa0808e-1e61-4b83-b0bd-ce98aa89fe64 ro quiet # blkid ... /dev/sda5: UUID=afa0808e-1e61-4b83-b0bd-ce98aa89fe64 TYPE=ext3 The UUIDs match. All is good. Can you check to see if they do or do not match on your system? I suspect that they do not match and that is why the system will not boot. Because if they match then it should work. This is the default when booting Debian Wheezy on installations (not using LVM). [An LVM example for comparison so people aren't wondering why it doesn't have uuids present. $ cat /proc/cmdline BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10-2-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/v1-root ro quiet With LVM the UUID is stored in the PV and LV metadata. # pvdisplay | less ... PV Name /dev/md1 PV UUID Rh2aRI-Y5Ga-1epS-uT03-fFl8-eSTg-gxPEPa # lvdisplay | less LV Path /dev/v1/root LV UUID FtNPli-89Qg-0RoL-U7uX-CPxE-T7m7-Un3vsp ] Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Oops - copied iso image to wrong device
On Sun 13 Oct 2013 at 21:49:40 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:00:50AM +0100, Brian wrote: The data on the drive are gone. Do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1 to remove all traces of the iso you put on it and start from scratch. …why? As things currently stand, the user could possibly reconstruct the partition table and recover most of their data, or, use forensic recovery tools that don't rely on the FS being intact to identify and recover bits past the ISO-length offset into the drive. If they do as you suggest, they rule out any of the above recovery options. What do they gain? Time to enjoy the finer things in life? The OP would have to weigh up the benefits of possibly being able to recover data etc as against definitely being able to restore from a backup. If they are to write off the drive, they could plop a new partition table on top of things as they stand, mkfs on the partitions, and start over, without having to wait for the dd to complete. The dd command was recommended on the off-chance GRUB might be put on the drive now or in the future; it will refuse to install. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013215233.gb22...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: ukash hijacked iceweasel
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 00:06 +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 09:58 -0400, John Lindsay wrote: IIUC this is the thingy that doesn't allow to close a tab. When this happens for Firefox here, I kill Firefox and then start it again. Firefox usually asks, if the last session should be restored or not, so don't restore the killed session. If Firefox shouldn't ask but automatically restore the killed session, then it usually does work, to close the tabs, before the site is loaded. After this Firefox is ok again and can be closed and opened without issues. Disable javascript, reload offending tab (optional), close offending tab, enable javascript. I mean, why bother with complex solutions if there are simple ones? I never tried it that way, because I couldn't find where to disable it and I had no time to do research when this issue happened. Just for fun I tried to find where it can be disabled for Firefox 24.0 right now, but I couldn't find it ;). https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/javascript-settings-for-interactive-web-pages I've got Ghostery installed, I'm using Ghostery to detect trackers, but I can't find how to use it to disable scripts. IOW disabling javascript is much more work, assumed you won't install many add-ons. I'm only using 2 add-ons, Ghostery and Anonymox. My Firefox ERS 17.0.9 (Vidalia/TOR) provides to disable javascript by Edit Preferences Content, but I usually don't use the TOR browser or outdated versions of Firefox. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381701281.723.17.camel@archlinux
Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 15:23 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: If you want your text to be word wrapped by the reader then the sender is obliged to set format=flowed. Outlook has long been wrongly sending long lined messages without using that setting. But it is wrong. Exactly! It would be idiotic if a reader would format the mails, because the sender is the author and to format the text is part of the message. To expect that the reader should format the text, is like sending an empty mail and to ask the reader to write the test on her/his own. And btw. I agree that it's possible to use Windows without causing trouble, hence my argumentation against current version of Mate. Not to care about all aspects and then to call others blind Mate haters or to blame the receiver, because the sender is to lazy to get his homework done, is what I expect from averaged inexperienced Windows users, but I don't want it to become policy for Linux. Regards, Ralf -- Wrap your lines at 80 characters or less for ordinary discussion. Lines longer than 80 characters are acceptable for computer-generated output (e.g., ls -l). - http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381702737.723.31.camel@archlinux
Re: Problems creating preseed.cfg - syntax?
Richard Owlett wrote: I'm having several problems getting desired results from preseeding. My Environment: No internet/LAN Install media Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 Wheezy - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20130615-21:54 preseed.cfg on USB stick You and Brian and I had an good discussion about this last year. Well I thought Brian and I had a great discussion anyway. :-) http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/12/thrd2.html#00516 I still think you should consider a LAN (local, with emphasis on local, network) for your case. I understand you don't want to use a WAN in any way. That's fine. But a LAN is not a WAN. Second best I think you should create a custom initrd on your usb installation image. Then put those early preseed questions there. That seems the most trouble free way. I should play with the USB preseed. I don't know enough about it. But reading through the docs it just didn't seem like the best way to do things. Which is why I headed straigth for the initrd preseed. # To get a list of every possible question that could be asked # during an install, do an installation, and then run these commands: # debconf-get-selections --installer file # debconf-get-selections file Just a general comment about that strategy. That is a good way to get a raw dump of everything. I have even seen it recommended to use that file as the preseed file. But I think that is not maintainable. It is too much of a raw dump. I did that too originally. But then I found it better to list the minimum configuration needed and to comment each one appropriately. So while it is reasonable to start out that way eventually you outgrow it. Unfortunately when I try bash responds command not found. The existing install was a manual install from DVD1 using default answers except for user/password/etc. Confirmed debconf installed by checking with synaptic. Install debconf-utils. /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections is in the debconf-utils package. There are two ways to find out what package contains a file. # apt-get install apt-file # apt-file update $ apt-file search /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections debconf-utils: /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections And there is an online search form for just such things too. http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages Scroll down to Search the contents of packages. Paste in the file path /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections. Optionally set the Distribution. Click Search. File Packages /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections debconf-utils Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Hi, There used to be a very similar discussion on the Debian Devel mailing list... On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:46:41AM +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Oh I have fond memories of aptitude breaking my system. Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it. I had to reinstall apt from the debian packages website. In this new installation I gave it another try but when it started suggesting very weird plans (like remove all gnome packages) I happily went back to apt and never looked back. ... If aptitude's such a destructive package, why is it still in the repositories? I think that aptitude works quite well for the easiest cases. And it is the only instrument I know which allow to see dependency chains. It was dselect some time ago which could do it too as I know, but now it seems to be dead. BTW, it provides with good capabilities for searching through packages. Also aptitude is a nice browser to see available package interactively. dpkg (1.17.1) was uploaded on 28 Jul 2013. So calling dselect dead is not correct. (I agree the days for the dselect popularity is gone but it is not dead.) There're quite good beginnings in this project as you can see. So it's popular and is in the repository. Aptitude is still a good interactive tool. But neither the Release Notes or Debian Reference mention aptutide as the primary tool for the system upgrade any more. There is a reason behind this change. Also, in 2.2.1. apt-get / apt-cache vs. aptitude(*) of Debian Reference, I have note to address this issue as: | Although the aptitude command comes with rich features such as its | enhanced package resolver, this complexity has caused (or may still | causes) some regressions such as Bug #411123, Bug #514930, and Bug | #570377. In case of doubt, please use the apt-get and apt-cache commands | over the aptitude command. (*) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_literal_apt_get_literal_literal_apt_cache_literal_vs_literal_aptitude_literal Recent Release Notes only uses apt-get and apt-cache in it. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013221812.GA5454@goofy.localdomain
Re: mysteries with latest update
Ross Boylan wrote: Thanks everyone for the feedback. Bob asked for more information about what is going on with my system. Thanks for the story! It really does help make more sense of your setup there. I have some dead or detached disks; since they might come back I don't want to eliminate them from LVM's knowledge yet. With your fuller explanation I understand your sentiment and reasoning. But continuing to run your system with partial physical drives is going to make it more fragile. I am actually a little amazed that it is doing as well as it is under the circumstances! I would only encourage you to push through and get to conclusion. (Although I am as guilty as anyone for having some of these projects go on and on for extended time.) Because for as long as things are left in a somewhat betwixt and between state it is going to be more fragile than it could be if it were concluded. But along the way you will learn a lot and have the more experience for having done it. So all of the disks that are detached might come back, either because I fix the failure or attach the IDE. Thus I do not want to removed them from LVM just yet. On the other hand, I have backups, and so I am reconstructing using them rather than monkeying around with the absent drives. Yay for backups! :-) The one other oddity is that one of the GPT tables has gotten a little funky ... I'm not sure what's going on; I definitely did some manipulations on the GPT table, but since they were all with standard tools I don't know why it would be corrupt. Because of the changes to Advanced Format and other partition tables and so forth many of the tools that work on partitions have been changed. I often see new tools complain about work done by older tools. And older tools don't understand the work done by newer tools. Basically there is a lot of incompatibility among the partition tools in this, say, two-to-five year window of tools. Eventually everything will be moved forward. But how long will this take? Who knows. In the meantime I am right there with you seeing various incompatibilities. Because some of the LVM VG's are incomplete, rebooting is a bit rough. The usual scripts detect there is a problem and drop me into a shell in the initrd. vgchange -ay and some crypto stuff gets the disks in shape, and I can then proceed with the pivot to my regular OS. $Begin Off-Topic Drift$ I ran into a very similar problem with a CentOS system some time ago. I had added another disk to the machine. I had included it in the volume group. The machine booted fine. I thought all was good. Then later I needed to increase the space on the root partition. All seemingly good. But then two months later the machine would not reboot. I had unknowingly created a terrible problem. By default CentOS sets rd_MD_UUID=w-x-y-z on the command line. I had not updated grub for the new volume group. This had worked initially because on CentOS if the root filesystem can be launched with partial PVs then it will continue silently. But later when I expanded the root file system some of the space came from the recently added PV. At that point it would no longer boot because the root file system needed space from a PV not listed in an rd_MD_UUID. On CentOS the two possible fixes would be to add in the additional rd_MD_UUID's needed for each additional PV. Or remove it entirely and let it automatically assemble all dynamically found drives. I chose the latter since I am not booting it with additional disks on it. But in general dynamically assembling can cause problems. Add a disk from a recovery system and it will be automatically added. Not good. I am rather happy with Debian's strategy which I think is better now that I have been through the RHEL/CentOS way. $End Off-Topic Drift$ Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
broken links after 7.2.0 release
Hi, It seems that after the 7.2.0 release, page http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ contains a lot of broken links (example: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/jigdo-cd/) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381704350.3563.1.ca...@lap-fredm.home
Re: broken links after 7.2.0 release
Fred Ulisses Maranhão wrote: It seems that after the 7.2.0 release, page http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ contains a lot of broken links (example: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/jigdo-cd/) Since 7.2 just released it may take a short time for everything to catch up. It will take a while for all of the mirrors to sync. It is hard to make a release and have everything happen all at once. Expecially where there is so very much that needs to happen. I also saw that this problem was reported to the debian-cd mailing list too. So the powers-that-be have been notified. I suggest waiting another day and then checking back. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Set widescreen resolution in console
I don't have to use the new kernel. Whatever works... But, what is Debian Jessie? On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru wrote: Antonio Paiva arp2...@gmail.com writes: I have recently acquired an old Sony Vaio PCG-C1VN (aka, a PictureBook) and installed Debian wheezy. The problem is that I can only get the *console* to run at 640x480 resolution. First of all, have you tried to boot your kernel with vga=ask option? I did try vga=ask but that option is no longer supported by the debian kernel. Is new kernel essential? For example, I am using Debian Jessie with a kernel 3.2 from Wheezy release because of some driver problems. If this is not a variant for you, I guess you should dig into framebuffer info.
Re: linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 unbootable: /dev/disk/by-uuid not created
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Sven Hartge wrote: I have the same problem as Jesse, roughly since the update to mdadm-3.3 in Sid. I am using mdadm 3.3-1 in Sid on the machine I am typing this on now. But I am using LVM which might be the difference. With LVM the UUIDs are present but are one layer deeper in the LVM PV layer. Suddenly, only UUID symlinks to real devices are present in /dev/disk/by-uuid while inside the initramfs, links to device-mapper devices or md-devices are missing. Hmm... I am able to boot if I set GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true in /etc/default/grub, because that sets root=/dev/md0 instead of root=UUID= Can you verify that the UUID of your root device and the UUID that doesn't boot on grub's kernel command line are the same? Absolutely. I used blkid inside the initramfs and the UUID of the filesystem on /dev/md0 matches the one referenced from /proc/cmdline for root=UUID=... The UUIDs match. All is good. Can you check to see if they do or do not match on your system? I suspect that they do not match and that is why the system will not boot. Because if they match then it should work. This is the default when booting Debian Wheezy on installations (not using LVM). The UUIDs match in my case and the system does not boot, because those very UUIDs are not symlinked via /dev/disb/by-uuid/... If I manually add the missing symlinks, I am able to continue booting. Just out of curiosity I added a ridiculous long rootdelay of 300 to check if the symlinks will appear eventually but this didn't change anything (which would have surprised me anyhow). Grüße, S° -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6a4hv17fr...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 unbootable: /dev/disk/by-uuid not created
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: The UUIDs match. All is good. Can you check to see if they do or do not match on your system? I suspect that they do not match and that is why the system will not boot. Because if they match then it should work. This is the default when booting Debian Wheezy on installations (not using LVM). BTW: we (or at least I am) are not talking about Wheezy here but about Sid. My Wheezy systems continue to boot splendidly via root=UUID=... Grüße, Sven -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7a4hvdefr...@mids.svenhartge.de
