Re: un conseil pour un client DynDNS ?
Salut, Le lundi 09 décembre 2013 à 3:13, Raphaël POITEVIN a écrit : Le pbv est que dyndns maintenant exige que l'on se cdonnecte pour ne pas oublier qu'on existe. En effet. Pour ma part j'ai choisi de me faire oublier ! Je délègue ça maintenant à afraid.org et j'utilise inadyn pour la mise-à-jour. Ça fonctionne bien. Seb -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209094355.gb13...@sebian.nob900.homeip.net
Re: Compilation de noyau et DKMS (Issu de : Compiler son noyau)
On Sunday 08 December 2013 09:22:49 Sylvain L. Sauvage wrote: Le samedi 7 décembre 2013 23:40:09 andre_deb...@numericable.fr […] DKMS + make-kpkg + créer le paquet -headers + l'installer : ou trouver un bon tutoriel ? http://wiki.debian.org/Kernel et suis les liens. C’est une impression ou il y en a certains qui ne font vraiment pas de recherches avant de poster ? Sylvain Sauvage On Sunday 08 December 2013 14:50:29 maderios wrote: C'est effectivement très tendance et le mouvement est exponentiel. Idem sur la liste en langue anglaise. Maderios Nenni, La prochaine fois, j'irai sur Google en tapant : tutoriel noyau make-kpkg, apparaitront 100 liens et lequel vaut le coup ? après de longues minutes (heures) de recherches. Autant trouver rapidement le tuto idoine par ceux qui ont l'expérience de la méthode make-kpkg, l'effort restant à faire par le néo-compileur que je suis. Aujourd'hui Google commémore Grace Hopper, l'inventrice de premier langage compilé = le Cobol en 1951. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper andré -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312091143.49187.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: Depuis Debian, installer un système qui se monte en RAM... ou un truc du style
Hi !! Déjà merci de vos réponses, et voici quelques réponses à vos messages : Ce que je veux faire, c'est réduire la taille de la partition / à 15G, puis créer une autre partition pour LVM. Aux autres solutions, je remets en cause le besoin de base: pourquoi repartitionner? Ça parait complètement gratuit [...] Changer un système qui fonctionne juste parce que, c'est le Mal(tm)! :-) Oui, mais non :) C'est pas gratuit : en fait je veux avoir une partition pour LVM afin de créer une machine virtuelle Xen. Le processeur ne supportant pas les VTx, c'est à peu près la seule solution qui s'offre à moi pour virtualiser (qemu/kvm exit, virtualbox trop lourd, lxc trop compliqué) Xen propose si j'ai bien compris 2 formes de virtualisation, soit par volume LVM, soit par fichier (loopback). À priori par fichier ça altère à bloc les perfs, donc j'évite. Donc je dois créer une partition pour LVM :) 1] Prendre le train ou une voiture et se rendre devant le serveur. (demander le remboursement des frais, si possible) :-) Habites tu loin de la ville ou est le serveur ? Bah, ce serveur est à mes frais, pour un service que je propose sans être payé, qui a un CA annuel de moins de 300€ (en gros je paye un dédié 300€ par an, plus maintenant ce serveur chez TTN, mais je gagne rien.) donc je ne vais pas me demander de frais de remboursements :) Mais de toutes façons le problème n'est pas là, puisque je peux y aller gratuitement anyways (je fais du stop). Le problème c'est plutôt le temps/la flemme/l'envie de trouver une autre solution ! 2] Demander à une personne sur place de bien vouloir rebooter le serveur, lancer le BIOS = First boot CD/DVD, mettre un CD Debian Live. Mais à partir de là, tout dépend comment le disque dur actuel est organisé, y a t-il encore de l'espace ? Peut-on ajouter des partitions ? Humm ... la solution 1] paraît la plus sage. TTN (tetaneutral) est une association (http://tetaneutral.net), je ne me vois pas trop leur demander quoi que ce soit ! Le serveur dispose-t-il d'un système d'accès à distance au hard (Idrac pour un Dell, ILO pour un HP, CIMC pour un cisco) ? Nope, le serveur est un ordi portable sans écran :) Sinon, plusieurs solutions : - dégager de l'espace pour créer une nouvelle (petite) partition et y installer un système de base avec debootstrap, y mettre un noyau et reconfigurer Grub pour démarrer dessus¹. En fait, y'a grave d'espace libre (genre 250go). Le système est neuf et n'a qu'un serveur ssh en route. C'est cette solution que je cherche à mettre en place, ou un truc du style ! Mais je peux pas créer de partition sur un disque monté :) Et ce disque est forcément monté puisque le système est dessus. Alors debootstrap je connais que de nom, ça a l'air stylé, je vais regarder ! Merci ¹ attention, si ton système minimal ne démarre pas ou que le réseau ou la résolution de noms ne démarrent pas, tu es bon pour te déplacer. Of course. Un point que tu n'as pas précisé, est-ce que quelqu'un peut manipuler là-bas ? Quel est son niveau ? Quelle est la confiance que tu lui accordes ? Bah du coup j'ai précisé entre temps : pas d'intervention sur place à part par moi-même :) Mais sinon, y'a des gens de confiance et de très bon niveau. Et les deux réunis. Mais je veux pas les emmerder avec mes problèmes :) Bon voilà, j'ai bien répondu à tous je pense ! Du coup, je vais me renseigner sur debootstrap, et j'ai vu debirf aussi, pas plus regardé encore. Merci à tous ! Gaël -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGKqBrmsu0jM=eumrvf8d46r4fsds5dd7_t56ya1ujtxan4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Depuis Debian, installer un système qui se monte en RAM... ou un truc du style
(Apparemment le serveur de listes Debian a refoulé mon mail… je reposte). Le lundi 09 décembre 2013 à 12:58, Gaël a écrit : Sinon, plusieurs solutions : - dégager de l'espace pour créer une nouvelle (petite) partition et y installer un système de base avec debootstrap, y mettre un noyau et reconfigurer Grub pour démarrer dessus¹. En fait, y'a grave d'espace libre (genre 250go). Le système est neuf et n'a qu'un serveur ssh en route. C'est cette solution que je cherche à mettre en place, ou un truc du style ! Mais je peux pas créer de partition sur un disque monté :) Et ce disque est forcément monté puisque le système est dessus. Alors debootstrap je connais que de nom, ça a l'air stylé, je vais regarder ! Merci Ce n'est pas le disque qui est monté, mais une partition du disque (à moins que ladite partition n'occupe tout l'espace). Dans ce cas, tu peux très bien repartitionner (si tu ne touches pas aux partitions montées). Par contre, pas sur que ton système ne voit apparaître la nouvelle partition, tu auras peut-être besoin de créer le n½ud de périphérique à la main (man mknod) ou redémarrer ton serveur (plus disproportionné mais résultat identique). Seb -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209140352.gd13...@sebian.nob900.homeip.net
Re: Depuis Debian, installer un système qui se monte en RAM... ou un truc du style
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:03:52 +0100 Sébastien NOBILI sebnewslet...@free.fr wrote: Ce n'est pas le disque qui est monté, mais une partition du disque (à moins que ladite partition n'occupe tout l'espace). C'est ce que semble vouloir dire l'OP; un p'tit coup de gparted devrait pouvoir arranger cela; peut-être même d'ailleurs que parted lui permettrait d'effectuer tout cela par ssh… -- Mel : Ca existe les décrypteurs de cerveau de mec ? :'( Blondin : oui Blondin : ça s'appelle la bière -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209151522.1b716829@anubis.defcon1
Re: Compilation de noyau et DKMS (Issu de : Compiler son noyau)
Le lundi 9 décembre 2013 11:43:49 andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : […] La prochaine fois, j'irai sur Google en tapant : tutoriel noyau make-kpkg, apparaitront 100 liens et lequel vaut le coup ? après de longues minutes (heures) de recherches. Évidemment, si dès que tu penses « recherche », tu cours sur un moteur généraliste, tu avoir plus d’ivraie que de grain. Beaucoup plus simple et sous-entendu dans ma réponse : tu vas sur http://wiki.debian.org, tu cherches « kernel » et le premier lien donné est https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingKernelFromUpstreamSources Ça prend moins de 30 secondes et le résultat est « tamponné » Debian. -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3932272.OGerHvuF9I@earendil
Re: Depuis Debian, installer un système qui se monte en RAM... ou un truc du style
Ce n'est pas le disque qui est monté, mais une partition du disque (à moins que ladite partition n'occupe tout l'espace). C'est ce que semble vouloir dire l'OP; un p'tit coup de gparted devrait pouvoir arranger cela; peut-être même d'ailleurs que parted lui permettrait d'effectuer tout cela par ssh… Oui oui, je sais ça normalement. Mais vu que j'ai été bête : Périphérique Amorce DébutFin Blocs Id Système /dev/sda1 *2048 475822079 237910016 83 Linux /dev/sda2 475824126 488396799 62863375 Étendue /dev/sda5 475824128 488396799 6286336 82 partition d'échange Linux Voilà :) Donc je peux pas repartitionner. :p Donc je vais creuser cette histoire de debootstrap, pour voir si je peux pas monter un système en RAM depuis grub. Du coup je prendrai ce risque à priori pas trop risqué (je vais tenter dans une vm sur mon laptop avant quoi), et au pire, je bougerai ! Merci :) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cagkqbrn8tsbbjb5i567pwzmcvarugnoffgaq92wx47rjsao...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Depuis Debian, installer un système qui se monte en RAM... ou un truc du style
Le lundi 09 décembre 2013 à 15:30, Gaël a écrit : /dev/sda5 475824128 488396799 6286336 82 partition d'échange Linux Donc je peux pas repartitionner. :p Bien sûr que si ! As-tu vraiment besoin de la partition de Swap ??? À ta place, je m'en débarrasserais le temps de la manipulation et j'en recréerais une ensuite. Un système minimal ne devrait pas saturer la RAM et donc pas utiliser le swap. D'ailleurs que donne la commande suivante ? free -m Seb -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209145449.ge13...@sebian.nob900.homeip.net
Re: Depuis Debian, installer un système qui se monte en RAM... ou un truc du style
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:30:38 +0100 Gaël gag...@gmail.com wrote: Mais vu que j'ai été bête : Périphérique Amorce DébutFin Blocs Id Système /dev/sda1 *2048 475822079 237910016 83 Linux /dev/sda2 475824126 488396799 62863375 Étendue /dev/sda5 475824128 488396799 6286336 82 partition d'échange Linux Voilà :) Donc je peux pas repartitionner. :p Donc je vais creuser cette histoire de debootstrap, pour voir si je peux pas monter un système en RAM depuis grub. Du coup je prendrai ce risque à priori pas trop risqué (je vais tenter dans une vm sur mon laptop avant quoi), et au pire, je bougerai ! ? il me semble que parted est tout à fait capable de créer /dev/sda6 à partir de la place dégagée sur /dev/sda1, non? -- Chachou Je passs en L Tro bi1 jsui tro Ereuz! Jvou kiff lé fi!!! Glorf Tu m'étonne qu'après les gens disent que n'importe qui peut faire L... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209155545.3c2393e1@anubis.defcon1
Re: Compilation de noyau et DKMS (Issu de : Compiler son noyau)
On 12/09/2013 11:43 AM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: On Sunday 08 December 2013 09:22:49 Sylvain L. Sauvage wrote: Le samedi 7 décembre 2013 23:40:09 andre_deb...@numericable.fr […] DKMS + make-kpkg + créer le paquet -headers + l'installer : ou trouver un bon tutoriel ? http://wiki.debian.org/Kernel et suis les liens. C’est une impression ou il y en a certains qui ne font vraiment pas de recherches avant de poster ? Sylvain Sauvage On Sunday 08 December 2013 14:50:29 maderios wrote: C'est effectivement très tendance et le mouvement est exponentiel. Idem sur la liste en langue anglaise. Maderios Nenni, La prochaine fois, j'irai sur Google en tapant : tutoriel noyau make-kpkg, apparaitront 100 liens et lequel vaut le coup ? après de longues minutes (heures) de recherches. Autant trouver rapidement le tuto idoine par ceux qui ont l'expérience de la méthode make-kpkg, l'effort restant à faire par le néo-compileur que je suis. Tu fais comme beaucoup de gens: tu cherches, tu tries les résultats, tu essaies, tu te plantes ou tu réussis. Si tu te plantes, bonne nouvelle, tu vas pouvoir encore en apprendre un peu plus en recommençant, etc.. Tu as la facilité d'avoir le net et sa formidable base de connaissances. Mode vieux schnock: quand j'ai commencé Linux fin du siècle dernier,, point de Net, simplement la doc de la distro, des magazines Linux ou des info glanées dans des bouquins chez le libraire. Personne pour aider, donc l'on devait encore plus réfléchir. Trop de monde pour aider produit le résultat inverse. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5e0a7.1060...@gmail.com
Passer un paquet en obsolete
Bonjour J'aimerai connaitre la marche à suivre pour signaler à Debian qu'un paquet cassé et non maintenu (ticket deja ouvert pour le bug). Merci de votre aide. Julien. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Depuis Debian, installer un système qui se monte en RAM... ou un truc du style
Le 9/12/2013 12:58, Gaël a écrit : Hi !! Déjà merci de vos réponses, et voici quelques réponses à vos messages : Ce que je veux faire, c'est réduire la taille de la partition / à 15G, puis créer une autre partition pour LVM. Aux autres solutions, je remets en cause le besoin de base: pourquoi repartitionner? Ça parait complètement gratuit [...] Changer un système qui fonctionne juste parce que, c'est le Mal(tm)! :-) Oui, mais non :) C'est pas gratuit : en fait je veux avoir une partition pour LVM afin de créer une machine virtuelle Xen. Le processeur ne supportant pas les VTx, c'est à peu près la seule solution qui s'offre à moi pour virtualiser (qemu/kvm exit, virtualbox trop lourd, lxc trop compliqué) Xen propose si j'ai bien compris 2 formes de virtualisation, soit par volume LVM, soit par fichier (loopback). À priori par fichier ça altère à bloc les perfs, donc j'évite. Donc je dois créer une partition pour LVM :) En effet Xen permet de virtualiser sous 2 formes; Pv pour une machine qui supporte la modification du noyau(i.e. linux) ou HVM si le système ne peut être modifié pour la virtualisation (i.e. Windows et nécessite la technologie VT-x). Chez moi, j'ai tt mis en place sous LVM. Tu seras limité à la technique PV. Bien à toi Merci à tous ! Gaël -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5e531.8080...@yahoo.fr
Re: Depuis Debian, installer un système qui se monte en RAM... ou un truc du style
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 12:58:34PM +0100, Gaël wrote: C'est pas gratuit : en fait je veux avoir une partition pour LVM afin de créer une machine virtuelle Xen. Le processeur ne supportant pas les VTx, c'est à peu près la seule solution qui s'offre à moi pour virtualiser (qemu/kvm exit, virtualbox trop lourd, lxc trop compliqué) LXC n'est pas très compliqué (je pense pas que ça soit plus compliqué que Xen...), et s'installe sur le même système de fichier que l'hôte, ce qui te résoud également ton problème de partionnement. Y. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209153838.gk8...@naryves.com
Re: un conseil pour un client DynDNS ?
De (from) (von) sebnewsletter@free.frREMOVESPAM : En effet. Pour ma part j'ai choisi de me faire oublier ! Je délègue ça maintenant à afraid.org et j'utilise inadyn pour la mise-à-jour. Ça fonctionne bien. J'aimerais bien en faire autant. Mais je n'y suis pas arrivé. Bon j'ai peut-être été un peu rapide et je ne me souviens pas ce qui clochait mais aurais-tu un lien ou une doc KiVaBien ? Merci par avance -- Phil -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209160053.GA4520@locahost@localdomain
Re: un conseil pour un client DynDNS ?
Bonjour, Moi aussi, je suis sur Afraid.org. Il faut installer le package qui vient avec Jessie, soit la version 3.8.1. C'est la version 3.8.0 qui est dans Wheezy. Je suis en Wheezy, sauf pour ce paquet. Il y a un petit plus (nécessaire) qui est dans la nouvelle version, mais je n'arrive plus à me souvenir quoi ... Bonne chance, Le 9 décembre 2013 11:00, philippe monroux phillipe.monr...@sfr.fr a écrit : De (from) (von) sebnewsletter@free.frREMOVESPAM : En effet. Pour ma part j'ai choisi de me faire oublier ! Je délègue ça maintenant à afraid.org et j'utilise inadyn pour la mise-à-jour. Ça fonctionne bien. J'aimerais bien en faire autant. Mais je n'y suis pas arrivé. Bon j'ai peut-être été un peu rapide et je ne me souviens pas ce qui clochait mais aurais-tu un lien ou une doc KiVaBien ? Merci par avance -- Phil -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209160053.GA4520@locahost@localdomain -- Louis-Philippe Gauthier
Re: un conseil pour un client DynDNS ?
re-bonjour, Voici le lien pour la FAQ : http://freedns.afraid.org/scripts/freedns.clients.php En recherchant 3.8.1 dans la page, il vous donne la réponse qui me manquait dans mon courriel précédant... ;-) Le 9 décembre 2013 11:00, philippe monroux phillipe.monr...@sfr.fr a écrit : De (from) (von) sebnewsletter@free.frREMOVESPAM : En effet. Pour ma part j'ai choisi de me faire oublier ! Je délègue ça maintenant à afraid.org et j'utilise inadyn pour la mise-à-jour. Ça fonctionne bien. J'aimerais bien en faire autant. Mais je n'y suis pas arrivé. Bon j'ai peut-être été un peu rapide et je ne me souviens pas ce qui clochait mais aurais-tu un lien ou une doc KiVaBien ? Merci par avance -- Phil -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209160053.GA4520@locahost@localdomain -- Louis-Philippe Gauthier
désactiver ipv6 ?
Salut, Suite à un message sur debian-security, je me fends d'un # lsof -i | grep -i ipv6 rpcbind2068 root9u IPv6 11767 0t0 UDP *:sunrpc rpcbind2068 root 10u IPv6 11770 0t0 UDP *:963 rpcbind2068 root 11u IPv6 11771 0t0 TCP *:sunrpc (LISTEN) rpc.statd 2099statd9u IPv6 11797 0t0 UDP *:60546 rpc.statd 2099statd 10u IPv6 11800 0t0 TCP *:49221 (LISTEN) rsyslogd 2506 root4u IPv6 12021 0t0 UDP *:syslog avahi-dae 3130avahi 14u IPv6 12252 0t0 UDP *:mdns avahi-dae 3130avahi 16u IPv6 12254 0t0 UDP *:55231 dnsmasq3268 dnsmasq6u IPv6 13426 0t0 UDP *:domain dnsmasq3268 dnsmasq7u IPv6 13427 0t0 TCP *:domain (LISTEN) cupsd 3287 root9u IPv6 330558187 0t0 TCP *:ipp (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 3537 root5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) munin-nod 4284 root5u IPv6 14374 0t0 TCP *:munin (LISTEN) sshd 5771 root4u IPv6 16595 0t0 TCP *: (LISTEN) ntpd 6274 ntp 17u IPv6 17605 0t0 UDP *:ntp ntpd 6274 ntp 21u IPv6 17614 0t0 UDP ip6-localhost:ntp ntpd 6274 ntp 22u IPv6 17615 0t0 UDP [fe80::250:4ff:fe06:167e]:ntp /usr/sbin 19531 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 19536 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 19587 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 23877 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 24100 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 24101 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 24102 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 24103 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 24104 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) /usr/sbin 29530 www-data5u IPv6 13877 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) et me demande si c'est une bonne idée d'avoir tous ces services qui sont à l'écoute en utilisant un protocole que mon FAI ne gère pas encore (il me semble, j'ai fait un test sur http://test-ipv6.com/). Et comme je ne me suis pas encore vraiment penché sur la question, je me tourne vers vous. De plus, un ifconfig me montre que mes interfaces possèdent une adresse inet6. Que faire ? Merci pour vos lumières. steve -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209171604.GA16822@localhost
Re: Écrire sous Linux un livre qui contient des textes musicaux
Le 06/12/2013 09:54, Patrice Karatchentzeff a écrit : Le 6 décembre 2013 09:38, Adrien cont...@creasixtine.com a écrit : Bonjour, À noter : après avoir entamé la rédaction de ce message, je viens d'essayer sous Scribus. La procédure est simple, il suffit de créer un cadre d'image, puis clic droit - importer une image. On peut choisir du PDF, et redimensionner le cadre pour n'afficher qu'une partie du PDF dans ce cadre. Ça m'a l'air fort bien ! Histoire de faire l'embêtant (scribus a l'air bien mais complexe à prendre en main au début), est-il possible de faire quelque chose d'équivalent sous Libreoffice ? (je n'ai pas trouvé pour l'instant) Je fais souvent cela avec le couple lilypond+scribus pour des livrets de chants. Scribus est bon pour la PAO, c'est-à-dire qu'il est bon dans son domaine (livret, affiche, etc.) mais sans doute assez médiocre pour faire un livre (comme LO d'ailleurs). Si j'avais à écrire un livre, je me tournerai sans doute vers le couple LaTeX/Lylipond (LaTeX pour une bonne mise en page et facile et Lilypond pour la musique (avec n'importe quel front-end devant qui te facilite l'écriture si tu préfères...)). PK Bonsoir, Merci à tous pour vos nombreuses réponses. En ce qui concerne LaTeX, c'est effectivement une option que je n'avais pas envisagée et qui est intéressante. En l'occurrence, je ne choisirai pas cette option. Même si j'ai été un aficionado de LaTeX il y a quelque temps (ça reviendrait certes bien vite), là je vais intégrer des portées musicales, mais également des graphiques et illustrations. L'objectif est de faire un livre riche en images, avec éventuellement un texte coulant autour. C'est tout à fait possible avec LaTeX, mais pour avoir utilisé LaTeX pendant des années le texte coulant nécessite pas mal d'ajustements. En fait, j'utilise maintenant Libreoffice pour la plupart de mes documents, et j'en suis tout à fait satisfait. [a parte] ...je sens venir le troll, donc j'ajoute qu'avec des polices de bonne qualité (Calluna, Linux Libertine / Biolinum, Didot, Helvetica Neue...) et quelques add-ons (genre Typography toolbar), j'arrive à un très bon résultat avec Libreoffice. Et de toute façon, pour mon cv (cf. http://www.adrien-poupin.fr/cv), j'utilise Inkscape directement. [/a parte] Pour l'instant je suis conforté dans l'idée qu'il existe au moins un utilisateur de Debian qui fait des mises en pages avec de la musique ; je pense que je vais donc partir sur un système proche de celui-ci, qui ne va pas trop rompre mes habitudes. Maintenant, il faut que je voie si avec Libreoffice il y a moyen d'inclure un PDF en faisant une restriction sur la fenêtre. Sinon, je pense que je vais être obligé d'utiliser Scribus ou autre. Merci ! -- Adrien. - signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: un conseil pour un client DynDNS ?
Le lundi 09 décembre 2013 à 20:00, philippe monroux a écrit : J'aimerais bien en faire autant. Mais je n'y suis pas arrivé. Bon j'ai peut-être été un peu rapide et je ne me souviens pas ce qui clochait mais aurais-tu un lien ou une doc KiVaBien ? C'est documenté dans la doc officielle, dans la page de manuel. http://www.inatech.eu/inadyn/readme.html « 4. Freedns update in console » puis copier et coller (adapter un peu quand-même). Ensuite il suffit de recopier les arguments dans le fichier de configuration. Seb -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209213023.gi10...@serveur.nob900.us.to
Vulnérabilités sous Linux
Connaissez ces vulnérabilités : Des outils bien connus qui sont vulnérables : Samba, Varnish, Gimp, Dovecot ... http://www.debian.org/security/#DSAS et d'autres officielles ici : (sur les systèmes qui reposent sur le noyau Linux) http://www.certa.ssi.gouv.fr/site/ Réalité ou intox ... ? andré -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312092247.15913.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: Vulnérabilités sous Linux
Le 09/12/2013 22:47, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : Connaissez ces vulnérabilités : http://www.debian.org/security/#DSAS Quand elles figurent là elles sont déjà corrigées. http://www.certa.ssi.gouv.fr/site/ Comparer les deux listes... Réalité ou intox ... ? Réalité rassurante. andré Jacques -- GnuPg : C8F5B1E3 WeUsePGP Because privacy matters http://weusepgp.info/ -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a63c57.1090...@lavignotte.org
Vulnérabilités sous Linux
Le 09-12-2013, à 22:47:15 +0100, André Debian a écrit : Connaissez ces vulnérabilités : Des outils bien connus qui sont vulnérables : Samba, Varnish, Gimp, Dovecot ... http://www.debian.org/security/#DSAS Oui (œuf corse) : « Ces pages web contiennent une ___archive___ condensée des annonces de sécurité qui sont postées sur la liste de diffusion debian-security-announce ». Elles sont déjà corrigées pour wheezy. Par exemple pour Gimp : « Pour la distribution stable (Wheezy), ces problèmes ont été corrigés dans la version 2.8.2-2+deb7u1 ». Abonne-toi à debian-security-anno...@lists.debian.org, et tu les verras toutes passer. et d'autres officielles ici : (sur les systèmes qui reposent sur le noyau Linux) http://www.certa.ssi.gouv.fr/site/ vim... Réalité ou intox ... ? A ton avis -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209215820.GA26231@localhost
Re: Vulnérabilités sous Linux
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 22:47:15 +0100 andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: Connaissez ces vulnérabilités : … Réalité ou intox ... ? Réalité, la ML 'full disclosure' recense de 1 à +20 vulnérabilités par 24H; les correctifs sont, en Gal, appliqués dans les 48H. Évidemment, les 'failles' demandées par la NSA sont souvent corrigées sans tambour ni trompette (cf le trou de sécurité du générateur de nombres aléatoires d'openssl, bouché au bout de 3 ans sans même une ligne d'explication dans le changelog, ou l'affaire du type qui avait démontré un trou dans EOS de cisco, ou bien la récente interview de L. Torvald qui répond 'non' à la question 'avez-vous été approché par la NSA pour créer des backdoors dans le kernel'?, tout en faisant 'oui' de la tête…) Et c'est exactement la même chose au niveau du hardware: récemment, des chercheurs ont démontré qu'il existait une backdoor _dans le silicium_ d'un micro-contrôleur Atmel utilisé notamment… dans le contrôle de certains missiles. Ce que les glands de la NSA sont incapables de voir, c'est qu'on trouve _TOUJOURS_ plus malin que soi, et qu'un jour ce type de plaisanterie se retournera méchamment contre eux (application directe de la loi de Murphy + de celle du chaos). Peut-être que ce jour-là ces choses s'arrêteront d'elle-mêmes, mais rien n'est moins sûr, vu la culture actuelle de récompense des incapables… -- quizzeur devinette n°12: quizzeur Harry Potter et La coupe... blouffi au bol hart au bol jHoNNyBravO au bol quizzeur ...De feu hart au cul blouffi au cul jHoNNyBravO au cul quizzeur bon ok a plus -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209230341.1b04a5ed@anubis.defcon1
Re: désactiver ipv6 ?
steve a écrit : Suite à un message sur debian-security, je me fends d'un # lsof -i | grep -i ipv6 [...] et me demande si c'est une bonne idée d'avoir tous ces services qui sont à l'écoute en utilisant un protocole que mon FAI ne gère pas encore Ni bonne ni mauvaise. Et comme je ne me suis pas encore vraiment penché sur la question, je me tourne vers vous. De plus, un ifconfig me montre que mes interfaces possèdent une adresse inet6. Que faire ? Rien. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a6453d.3020...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: Passer un paquet en obsolete
Salut, Le 09/12/2013 11:33, j...@free.fr a écrit : J'aimerai connaitre la marche à suivre pour signaler à Debian qu'un paquet cassé et non maintenu (ticket deja ouvert pour le bug). Cherches-tu la marche à suivre pour supprimer un paquet ? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#removing-pkgs Si non, peux-tu expliquer ce que tu cherches à faire ? Un exemple concret peut aider. Amicalement David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: désactiver ipv6 ?
Le 09-12-2013, à 23:33:33 +0100, Pascal Hambourg a écrit : steve a écrit : Suite à un message sur debian-security, je me fends d'un # lsof -i | grep -i ipv6 [...] et me demande si c'est une bonne idée d'avoir tous ces services qui sont à l'écoute en utilisant un protocole que mon FAI ne gère pas encore Ni bonne ni mauvaise. Bien au contraire ? Et comme je ne me suis pas encore vraiment penché sur la question, je me tourne vers vous. De plus, un ifconfig me montre que mes interfaces possèdent une adresse inet6. Que faire ? Rien. Ok, merci. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131210073903.GA16789@localhost
Re: Bug yakuake 2.9.9
El Mon, 09 Dec 2013 00:44:46 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 8 de diciembre de 2013 19:31, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306062 El registro de cambios para la versión 2.2.9 habla de modificaciones en los atajos de teclado predeterminados: *** https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/utils/yakuake/repository/ revisions/master/entry/ChangeLog * A number of default keyboard shortcuts have been changed to reestablish consistency with Konsole, which introduced changed defaults in KDE Soft- ware Compilation v4.6. *** Es posible que hayan introducido algún cambio que imposibilite que esa combinación de teclas funcione, bien a propósito o bien por error. Yo informaría en el bugzilla de KDE. Y en gentoo funciona?? No me cuadra nada... ¿Versión en Gentoo? Seguiré indagando, gracias. Puedes indagar mientras pones un informe de fallo :-P Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.09.14.32...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] DNI electrónico en Debian
El Mon, 09 Dec 2013 03:06:14 +0100, Javier Serrano Polo escribió: (Segundo intento) ¿No te entraba el correo? El dg 08 de 12 de 2013 a les 18:12 +, Camaleón va escriure: ¿Y qué pinta el anonimato en esto? ¿Pero cómo puedes hacerme esa pregunta? Parece que hablamos el mismo idioma, pero he de reconocer cuándo tengo delante un caso imposible. No sé qué relación le ves al DNIe con el anonimato, la verdad. Yo creo que son conceptos completamente antónimos. El DNIe (con o sin chip) sirve para identificarte como persona física o jurídica ante algo (administración, empresa...) no para aumentar tu privacidad o facilitar el anonimato. ¿Sabes si existe alguna página o recurso donde se compare las opciones (ventajas/inconvenientes) de cada uno de esos sistemas (DNIe y certificado digital? Te estoy poniendo la legislación española en la cara, ¿y me vienes con un estudio comparativo? La legislación no facilita datos de uso sobre el DNIe ni sobre los certificados digitales, no establece una comparativa entre ambos (qué permiten o qué no permiten cada uno de ellos), en fin, Javier, que no tengo ningún interés en seguir con este asunto porque lo que me interesaba era lo relacionado con el paquete OpenSC que ya me he auto- respondido porque no parece que lo tengas muy claro, pero gracias de todas formas por intentarlo. Y dale con el miedo. ¿Miedo a qué? El antiguo DNI y el nuevo DNIe ofrecen la misma información al gobierno (que por otra parte no lo necesitan para saber lo que quieran de cualquier ciudadano español), así que no sé bien a dónde quieres ir con esto de la seguridad. No te equivoques: hay gente que no usa el DNIe y no es por los motivos que citas (no querer aprender o por temor a dejar una huella digital perseguible o al robo de datos). Simplemente NO creen que aporte ninguna ventaja. Has dejado clara tu opinión. De eso se trataba ya que es lo que me habías preguntado. No necesitas cambiar nada. Nadie te obligará a usar el DNIe ni a aprender, yo no. Es más, para que nada cambie, lo mejor es que este sistema nunca funcione. (...) Para que yo cambie mi opinión sobre el uso del DNIe la administración y el gobierno tienen que dar muestras de interés real sobre su uso y ahora mismo no las veo, la verdad. Cierto es que a día de hoy tienen problemas más graves que resolver. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.09.14.41...@gmail.com
Re: Bug yakuake 2.9.9
El día 9 de diciembre de 2013 15:32, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Mon, 09 Dec 2013 00:44:46 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 8 de diciembre de 2013 19:31, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306062 El registro de cambios para la versión 2.2.9 habla de modificaciones en los atajos de teclado predeterminados: *** https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/utils/yakuake/repository/ revisions/master/entry/ChangeLog * A number of default keyboard shortcuts have been changed to reestablish consistency with Konsole, which introduced changed defaults in KDE Soft- ware Compilation v4.6. *** Es posible que hayan introducido algún cambio que imposibilite que esa combinación de teclas funcione, bien a propósito o bien por error. Yo informaría en el bugzilla de KDE. Y en gentoo funciona?? No me cuadra nada... ¿Versión en Gentoo? Seguiré indagando, gracias. Puedes indagar mientras pones un informe de fallo :-P Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.09.14.32...@gmail.com Si voy a ello. Lo pondre en kde porque creo que es de yakuake. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caj2aoa-xzgboypf3lnrpajuu6n2mdir-xvyusjh0gx4+nax...@mail.gmail.com
Re: DNI electrónico en Debian
El Mon, 09 Dec 2013 07:17:27 +0100, pepe sircrosio escribió: (ese html...) El 8 de diciembre de 2013 15:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: Tengo DNIe pero ni harta de vino lo uso electrónicamente. (...) No puedo darte la razón. Tal vez sea cierto en tu caso, pero en el mío, los trámites telemáticos son más rápidos: por ejemplo, la declaración de la renta. En la Seguridad Social ya me mandan a casa, que haga los trámites por Internet. Protección de Datos está muy informatizada. No digo que lo haga con el DNIe, uso un certificado FNMT que es más cómodo. Pero un certificado FNMT no tiene la misma fuerza legal. Pues me alegra que no tengas problemas con ese sistema, desgraciadamente no es mi caso. Camaleón, conozco un poco la Administración española y puedo asegurarte que los trámites telemáticos ya son el presente y serán, sin duda alguna, el futuro en la relación de los cidudadanos con la Administración. Yo también lo creo así. Allá por el año 2100. Divulgar y promover el uso de sistemas seguros de autentificación e identificación me parece muy importante. Ya sea el DNI electrónico (que yo no utilizo) o los certificados de usuario. Completamente de acuerdo, pero siempre y cuando se trate de una divulgación efectiva y realista, no como la actual que consiste en decirte que uses el DNIe pero nada más. ¿Qué quieren, renovar por renovar, para que paguemos tasas? ¿Por qué no empezar por la base y fomentar el uso de los ordenadores y el software libre en colegios y escuelas? ¿Por qué no invertir en una estructura de acceso (FTTH, ADSL2+) que sea de mayor calidad y accesible para todos (me refiero al precio)? Cuando alguien me dice haz esto sin dar explicaciones ni razones, mi cerebro tiende a pensar automáticamente en la parte oculta del motivo. Y tratándose de un gobierno esa parte oculta sólo involucra ganancias y facilidades para ellos y nada para mí. Por cierto, en mi opinión si quieres que algún documento se despiste envíalo FAX y tendrás un 90 % de posibilidades de que el trámite se pierda. Ah, es que así no se hace ;-) Primero se llama, se habla con alguna persona encargada, se le dice que se le va a enviar un fax. Segundo, se envía el fax. Tercero, se le llama para comprobar la recepción. Y cuarto, se guarda/archiva el fax como prueba de que el envío ha sido correcto correcto. Sencillamente no es cierto que actualmente en España la Administración sólo sea capaz de procesar documentos en papel. No, claro que no. Pero te falta la palabra mágica: eficientemente. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.09.15.06...@gmail.com
Avisso importante da Posteitaliane
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[SPAM] Re: Avisso importante da Posteitaliane
El Mon, 09 Dec 2013 17:20:41 +0200, Poste.it escribió: No sé cómo se le ha pasado este correo al filtro de la lista: *** From: poste...@bendel.debian.org X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=1.51 tagged_above=-1 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_99=4, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NEXTPART=2.5, RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED=-3, RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE=-2, T_OBFU_HTML_ATTACH=0.01] autolearn=no Original-Received: from poste.it (unknown [78.96.234.45]) by 408984-vm4.globalnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3AFDA640B20 for debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:20:41 -0600 (CST) *** Hum... Con un remitente falseado y enviado desde una IP que está en las listas negras. Deberían ajustar esos dos valores del SA (RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED y RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE), de hecho parece que hay un informe sobre esto¹. ¹https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.09.16.01...@gmail.com
OT: Recibí este correo de la lista y mi ingles no me permite entenderlo [Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you]
Buen día, recibí este correo en mi cuenta de gmail, desde la lista de Debian y no entiendo que dice. ¿me pueden ayudar? Gracias Juan -- Forwarded message -- From: Debian Listmaster Team listmas...@lists.debian.org Date: 2013/12/9 Subject: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you To: jawif...@gmail.com Dear subscriber, We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your emailaddress jawif...@gmail.com. In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user-spanish 1 bounce out of 182 mails in 7 days (0%, kick-score is 80%) (http://lists.debian.org/bounces/gxkXlJzMOyfZxIpwOTtcxg) (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce and will be valid for seven days.) If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forcibly remove your subscription. Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are rejected by your mail provider. If you are your own mail provider and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org from Content filtering. However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed :-) ) if your kick-score remains low. For more information see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this message was sent in error. Sincerely, The Listmaster Team -- http://lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFa+n8rv5GDwQdvîcbfbgob+o5z3kpwv3bfzfeklld2-3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Recibí este correo de la lista y mi ingles no me permite entenderlo [Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you]
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Juan jawif...@gmail.com wrote: Buen día, recibí este correo en mi cuenta de gmail, desde la lista de Debian y no entiendo que dice. ¿me pueden ayudar? Está diciendo que en la última semana el servidor de listas de debian te envió 187 correos de las listas a las que estás suscripto. De esos, 1 fue rechazado (el link indica que Gmail lo rechazó por ser spam). Lo que recibiste te informa de dicho rechazo y especifica que en caso que la tasa de rechazos supere un límite (80% según dice) vas a ser desuscripto automáticamente de la lista. Como podrás ver, 1 correo de 187 es menos del 1%, por lo que estás muy por debajo del límite. Como bien dice el correo que recibiste: si el porcentaje es bajo, podés desestimarlo :-) Saludos, Toote -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANk6MLZyd0aqYFRkR9hgKT=jrm86gq21l_qquzvcl_113o7...@mail.gmail.com
postifix y filtros de usuarios on salida y entrada nacional internacional y local
hola lista: Recien estuve haciendo algunas pruebas en postfix y quisiera saber como puedo implementar tres filtros en espesifico: usuarios con salida y entrada de correo internacional usuarios con entrada y salida de correo a nivel nacinal usuarios con entrada y salida de correo a nivel local como puedo llevar a cabo esto, tengo instalado debian squeeze, postfix +dovecot mis usuarios son de sistema. gracias de antemano. - Consejo Nacional de Casas de Cultura, Vis�tenos: www.casasdecultura.cult.cu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386603849.26533.5.camel@informatica2.MALECON-CNCC
Re: OT: Recibí este correo de la lista y mi ingles no me permite entenderlo [Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you]
El dl 09 de 12 de 2013 a les 15:31 -0200, Juan va escriure: Buen día, recibí este correo en mi cuenta de gmail, desde la lista de Debian y no entiendo que dice. ¿me pueden ayudar? Añadiendo a la respuesta de Matías, la lista Debian se queja de que Gmail califica correctamente el mensaje Avisso importante da Posteitaliane como spam, que probablemente no has recibido. Gmail te quiere y Debian quiere que lo sepas. Por lo demás, no te preocupes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Not a valid pgp signature, but who cares? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: postifix y filtros de usuarios on salida y entrada nacional internacional y local
El Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:44:09 -0500, ariel escribió: Recien estuve haciendo algunas pruebas en postfix y quisiera saber como puedo implementar tres filtros en espesifico: usuarios con salida y entrada de correo internacional usuarios con entrada y salida de correo a nivel nacinal usuarios con entrada y salida de correo a nivel local como puedo llevar a cabo esto, tengo instalado debian squeeze, postfix +dovecot mis usuarios son de sistema. Con los filtros: http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html (archivo disponible en tu disco duro en /usr/share/doc/postfix/html/ FILTER_README.html) Primero tendrás que identificar los remitentes/destinatarios que quieras catalogar como internacionales, nacionales y locales (p. ej., con filtros simples como header_checks) y después tendrás que aplicarles un transporte distinto. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.09.18.46...@gmail.com
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Re: Bug yakuake 2.9.9
El día 9 de diciembre de 2013 15:41, Maykel Franco maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió: El día 9 de diciembre de 2013 15:32, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Mon, 09 Dec 2013 00:44:46 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 8 de diciembre de 2013 19:31, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306062 El registro de cambios para la versión 2.2.9 habla de modificaciones en los atajos de teclado predeterminados: *** https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/utils/yakuake/repository/ revisions/master/entry/ChangeLog * A number of default keyboard shortcuts have been changed to reestablish consistency with Konsole, which introduced changed defaults in KDE Soft- ware Compilation v4.6. *** Es posible que hayan introducido algún cambio que imposibilite que esa combinación de teclas funcione, bien a propósito o bien por error. Yo informaría en el bugzilla de KDE. Y en gentoo funciona?? No me cuadra nada... ¿Versión en Gentoo? Seguiré indagando, gracias. Puedes indagar mientras pones un informe de fallo :-P Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.09.14.32...@gmail.com Si voy a ello. Lo pondre en kde porque creo que es de yakuake. Saludos. En gentoo la versión es 2.9.9 de yakuake. Y me acaba de confirmar un compañero que usa kubuntu 12.04, que yakuake 2.9.9 en kubuntu también funciona eso... Yo estoy ya flipando... Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caj2aoa93knx7rxlwgrt2a_uf4vgg7skjawwuwt3dgj_8rad...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Bug yakuake 2.9.9
El día 6 de diciembre de 2013 17:39, Maykel Franco maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió: Hola buenas, actualmente estoy usando arch pero el problema que tengo es con yakuake en kde. El caso es que quiero extender la terminal hacia abajo, derecha, izquierda...y en teoría, con el atajo de teclas ctrl + alt + abajo/izquierda/arriba/abajo se debería de extender la terminal... Pero no me funciona, no hace nada. Aún cambiando el atajo de teclas a ctrl + ppor ejemplo, tampoco funciona. No sé si es un bug de yakuake en sí... La versión que tengo es 2.9.9 , me podéis confirmar si pasa en debian?? Un compañero de trabajo que usa Gentoo, no le pasa con yakuake aunque no sé la versión que tiene, no lo miré. Sin embargo, el partir la terminal horizontalmente o verticalmente sí que me funciona. Adjunto imagen de lo que intento hacer. Es muy cómodo extender la terminal. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/rn9c.png/ Gracias por adelantado. Cuanta guerra dais :-) Yo no uso escritorio, uso fvwm como gestor de ventanas. He instalado el yakutake este y en la configuración las teclas son Alt+Sitf+up, etc... Y me funcionan perfectamente. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGw=rhgr7ebfs-s90pnyh80ajszlfvyo4s23x2mkrmbfhhi...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Bug yakuake 2.9.9
El día 9 de diciembre de 2013 21:59, fernando sainz fernandojose.sa...@gmail.com escribió: El día 6 de diciembre de 2013 17:39, Maykel Franco maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió: Hola buenas, actualmente estoy usando arch pero el problema que tengo es con yakuake en kde. El caso es que quiero extender la terminal hacia abajo, derecha, izquierda...y en teoría, con el atajo de teclas ctrl + alt + abajo/izquierda/arriba/abajo se debería de extender la terminal... Pero no me funciona, no hace nada. Aún cambiando el atajo de teclas a ctrl + ppor ejemplo, tampoco funciona. No sé si es un bug de yakuake en sí... La versión que tengo es 2.9.9 , me podéis confirmar si pasa en debian?? Un compañero de trabajo que usa Gentoo, no le pasa con yakuake aunque no sé la versión que tiene, no lo miré. Sin embargo, el partir la terminal horizontalmente o verticalmente sí que me funciona. Adjunto imagen de lo que intento hacer. Es muy cómodo extender la terminal. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/rn9c.png/ Gracias por adelantado. Cuanta guerra dais :-) Yo no uso escritorio, uso fvwm como gestor de ventanas. He instalado el yakutake este y en la configuración las teclas son Alt+Sitf+up, etc... Y me funcionan perfectamente. Saludos. Me corrijo a mi mismo, no funcionan las de Ctrl+Alt+up Sorry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGw=rhgo-2dd-bxxad686b4ogjjskcymjhrwp8uvemq1mye...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Servidor de e-mail para e-mail marketing
Oi, Sim. É um serviço de e-mail marketing. Ele já tem suas próprias regras e proteções contra SPAM. Fora isso, por ser um range de IPs conhecidos, o serviço não cai muito em blacklists. Acontece vez ou outra, mas eles resolvem isso. Então é só preciso contratar o serviço, enviar a lista de usuários e o mail que o mailchimp o distribuirá. Mas como eu escrevi antes, avise ao seu pessoa de marketing/vendas pra não usar uma lista comprada, mas somente lista de pessoas que deliberadamente se inscreveram pra receber tal postagem. Ou o mailchimp também bloqueará o serviço pra vcs. Abs, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro http://twitter.com/helioloureiro http://gplus.to/helioloureiro Em 8 de dezembro de 2013 21:19, Christian Rosa christiant.i...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá Hélio, Não entendi muito como funciona esse mailchimp, é tudo pronto ? Em 8 de dezembro de 2013 20:11, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.brescreveu: Sugestão: use o mailchimp. É um serviço pago, mas vai te livrar de problemas como blacklists, etc. http://mailchimp.com/ Instalar e configurar servidor de mail não é um problema, mas cuidar pra não cair em blacklist, e quando cair, sair rapidamente, é um grande problema. E não envie SPAM. Como não enviar? Não compre listas de potenciais clientes. Use a lista de pessoas que definitivamente se inscreveram no serviço. Abs, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro http://twitter.com/helioloureiro http://gplus.to/helioloureiro Em 6 de dezembro de 2013 13:58, Christian Rosa christiant.i...@gmail.com escreveu: Então, Na verdade conversando com o cliente ele já possui as ferramentas e até já opera nesse mercado a algum tempo em parceria com uma profissional que mantinha o ambiente, a única coisa que ele me solicitou e deixou bem claro é que eu montasse o ambiente e infraestrutura. Logo após o ambiente 100% operante, essa ferramenta que ele possui será implantada para fazer os disparos de e-mail e todos os controles e relatórios gerenciais que ele precisa. Sobre minha responsabilidade fica a parte de implementação do servidor e sua operação, questões estratégicas da empresa ficará sobre responsabilidade do negocio (cliente). Ele já utiliza a ferramenta há algum tempo e pelo que deduzi já entende/sabe o ROI do negócio. Não entrei muito em detalhes da ferramenta nesse primeiro momento, talvez até se trate de envio de e-mail. Mas bem vamos nos aprundar já que chegamos até aqui, a ferramenta é o INTERSPIRE, posso trata-la como e-mail marketing, tem recursos para tal ? Pergunto pois me parece ter bastante recursos gerenciais para essas tomadas de decisões pelo negócio após implantada e rodando. Abraços Em 6 de dezembro de 2013 13:36, China china.lis...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu contrataria uma Empresa para isso. Email marketing é muito mais que um servidor de emails. Montar um servidor de e-mail é super tranquilo e muito bem documentado, mas isso é apenas UM elemento, diria eu o menor de todos, do email marketing. 1) Email marketing tem de estar atrelado a uma estratégia para atingimento de objetivos: exemplo, empresa quer aumentar o faturamento em seu ramo de negócio ou entrar em outro ramo; 2) depois de definido o objetivo, vem a estratégia, que é o caminho a ser percorrido e a forma de caminhar para chegar ao objetivo: continuando o exemplo, a empresa em questão é de produtos de varejo voltados para donas de casa. então email marketing não é boa estratégia, neste caso um comercial com o Gianechini nos intervalos de novela será mais indicado 3) Tá, mas o objetivo é atingir a dona de casa descolada, já incluida digitalmente: então a empresa lança uma campanha publicitária para conhecer esta dona de casa e coletar seu e-mail, com propaganda na mídia e um concurso ou sorteio com um campo no rótulo do produto em que ela remete por correio com seus dados ou entra no site da Empresa e preenche um formulário eletrônico, ou até o uso de demonstradores em grandes lojas do ramo de mercados. Em qualquer caso, deve haver o campo em que a dona de casa afirma concordar em receber mensagens publicitárias. 4) Recebidas XXX interações e cadastradas no banco de dados, é hora de fazer o business intelligence: pega-se os resultados da pesquisa/concurso e serão traçados os perfis do público alvo. Descobriu-se que é possível enviar email marketing para uma grande quantidade de donas de casa divulgando um produto da Empresa. 5) A área de marketing/propaganda/comunicação desenvolve a campanha e envia para a área de divulgação 6) aí a área de divulgação encaminha as peças por email marketing: para isso deve ser usada uma ferramenta que colete no banco de dados apontado pela ferramenta de BI os endereços alvo da campanha, tabule em uma lista de destinatários e componha os cabeçalhos do email contendo o remetente e o destinatário, pois assim o
[OFFTOPIC] Sendmail
Um salve a todos, Configurei o sendmail para poder enviar emails em modo texto usando o servidor smtp do gmail. Está acontecendo algo bastante interessante! Nos meus testes tenho dois provedores de internet disponivéis: Net e OI e VIVO 3g Conectando o PC, na net, a eth0 pega IP atráves do servidor DHCP da modem da NET. No caso da OI, o modem está configurado como bridge, então quem sobre é ppp0 e VIVO também! Quando estou usando a NET o sendmail envia emails sem problemas. Usando a Oi, não envia! Também tentei via modem 3g da VIVO, também não envia! Alguém sabe me dizer se tem que fazer alguma configuração extra, qdo é ppp0, tipo DNS, rota, etc Lembrando que em todas as conexões testadas consigo navegar normalmente! Grato, ~ *| Fábio de Sousa * .ºvº. *| Tec. Info*/(_)\ | *Seja livre, use LINUX* .^.^. | *Socialmente justo, economicamente viável e tecnologicamente sustentável*
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Sendmail
firewall... no chute,,, =P Em 9 de dezembro de 2013 13:24, Fábio de Sousa fabi...@gmail.com escreveu: Um salve a todos, Configurei o sendmail para poder enviar emails em modo texto usando o servidor smtp do gmail. Está acontecendo algo bastante interessante! Nos meus testes tenho dois provedores de internet disponivéis: Net e OI e VIVO 3g Conectando o PC, na net, a eth0 pega IP atráves do servidor DHCP da modem da NET. No caso da OI, o modem está configurado como bridge, então quem sobre é ppp0 e VIVO também! Quando estou usando a NET o sendmail envia emails sem problemas. Usando a Oi, não envia! Também tentei via modem 3g da VIVO, também não envia! Alguém sabe me dizer se tem que fazer alguma configuração extra, qdo é ppp0, tipo DNS, rota, etc Lembrando que em todas as conexões testadas consigo navegar normalmente! Grato, ~ *| Fábio de Sousa * .ºvº. *| Tec. Info*/(_)\ | *Seja livre, use LINUX* .^.^. | *Socialmente justo, economicamente viável e tecnologicamente sustentável* -- | .''`. A fé não dá respostas. Só impede perguntas. | : :' : | `. `'` | `- Je vois tout
Re: Servidor de e-mail para e-mail marketing
Legal, Parece ser interessante, vou dar uma olhada no site deles. Em 9 de dezembro de 2013 13:54, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.brescreveu: Oi, Sim. É um serviço de e-mail marketing. Ele já tem suas próprias regras e proteções contra SPAM. Fora isso, por ser um range de IPs conhecidos, o serviço não cai muito em blacklists. Acontece vez ou outra, mas eles resolvem isso. Então é só preciso contratar o serviço, enviar a lista de usuários e o mail que o mailchimp o distribuirá. Mas como eu escrevi antes, avise ao seu pessoa de marketing/vendas pra não usar uma lista comprada, mas somente lista de pessoas que deliberadamente se inscreveram pra receber tal postagem. Ou o mailchimp também bloqueará o serviço pra vcs. Abs, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro http://twitter.com/helioloureiro http://gplus.to/helioloureiro Em 8 de dezembro de 2013 21:19, Christian Rosa christiant.i...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá Hélio, Não entendi muito como funciona esse mailchimp, é tudo pronto ? Em 8 de dezembro de 2013 20:11, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.brescreveu: Sugestão: use o mailchimp. É um serviço pago, mas vai te livrar de problemas como blacklists, etc. http://mailchimp.com/ Instalar e configurar servidor de mail não é um problema, mas cuidar pra não cair em blacklist, e quando cair, sair rapidamente, é um grande problema. E não envie SPAM. Como não enviar? Não compre listas de potenciais clientes. Use a lista de pessoas que definitivamente se inscreveram no serviço. Abs, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro http://twitter.com/helioloureiro http://gplus.to/helioloureiro Em 6 de dezembro de 2013 13:58, Christian Rosa christiant.i...@gmail.com escreveu: Então, Na verdade conversando com o cliente ele já possui as ferramentas e até já opera nesse mercado a algum tempo em parceria com uma profissional que mantinha o ambiente, a única coisa que ele me solicitou e deixou bem claro é que eu montasse o ambiente e infraestrutura. Logo após o ambiente 100% operante, essa ferramenta que ele possui será implantada para fazer os disparos de e-mail e todos os controles e relatórios gerenciais que ele precisa. Sobre minha responsabilidade fica a parte de implementação do servidor e sua operação, questões estratégicas da empresa ficará sobre responsabilidade do negocio (cliente). Ele já utiliza a ferramenta há algum tempo e pelo que deduzi já entende/sabe o ROI do negócio. Não entrei muito em detalhes da ferramenta nesse primeiro momento, talvez até se trate de envio de e-mail. Mas bem vamos nos aprundar já que chegamos até aqui, a ferramenta é o INTERSPIRE, posso trata-la como e-mail marketing, tem recursos para tal ? Pergunto pois me parece ter bastante recursos gerenciais para essas tomadas de decisões pelo negócio após implantada e rodando. Abraços Em 6 de dezembro de 2013 13:36, China china.lis...@gmail.comescreveu: Eu contrataria uma Empresa para isso. Email marketing é muito mais que um servidor de emails. Montar um servidor de e-mail é super tranquilo e muito bem documentado, mas isso é apenas UM elemento, diria eu o menor de todos, do email marketing. 1) Email marketing tem de estar atrelado a uma estratégia para atingimento de objetivos: exemplo, empresa quer aumentar o faturamento em seu ramo de negócio ou entrar em outro ramo; 2) depois de definido o objetivo, vem a estratégia, que é o caminho a ser percorrido e a forma de caminhar para chegar ao objetivo: continuando o exemplo, a empresa em questão é de produtos de varejo voltados para donas de casa. então email marketing não é boa estratégia, neste caso um comercial com o Gianechini nos intervalos de novela será mais indicado 3) Tá, mas o objetivo é atingir a dona de casa descolada, já incluida digitalmente: então a empresa lança uma campanha publicitária para conhecer esta dona de casa e coletar seu e-mail, com propaganda na mídia e um concurso ou sorteio com um campo no rótulo do produto em que ela remete por correio com seus dados ou entra no site da Empresa e preenche um formulário eletrônico, ou até o uso de demonstradores em grandes lojas do ramo de mercados. Em qualquer caso, deve haver o campo em que a dona de casa afirma concordar em receber mensagens publicitárias. 4) Recebidas XXX interações e cadastradas no banco de dados, é hora de fazer o business intelligence: pega-se os resultados da pesquisa/concurso e serão traçados os perfis do público alvo. Descobriu-se que é possível enviar email marketing para uma grande quantidade de donas de casa divulgando um produto da Empresa. 5) A área de marketing/propaganda/comunicação desenvolve a campanha e envia para a área de divulgação 6) aí a área de divulgação encaminha as peças por email marketing: para isso deve ser usada uma ferramenta que colete no banco de dados apontado
Off-Topic : Instalar servidor git
Olá pessoal Alguém aqui já instalou um servidor git ? Sem parte web, gitosis, gitlab, nada disso. Somente o serviço de rede para ser acessado via ssh. Alguma dica, algum link de tutorial que funcionou ? Valeu, Fabricio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a63475.5000...@gmail.com
Re: Off-Topic : Instalar servidor git
Opa, Eu consegui apenas seguindo os passos do Pro Git: http://git-scm.com/book Att. Dyego Em 9 de dezembro de 2013 19:21, Fabricio Cannini fcann...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá pessoal Alguém aqui já instalou um servidor git ? Sem parte web, gitosis, gitlab, nada disso. Somente o serviço de rede para ser acessado via ssh. Alguma dica, algum link de tutorial que funcionou ? Valeu, Fabricio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a63475.5000...@gmail.com
Re: Reporting missing package during install
Lisi Reisz writes: On Saturday 07 December 2013 21:36:30 Bob Proulx wrote: If you look back in the mailing list archives you will find a recent discussion where there were some people who didn't like sudo. I was shocked by that because I always thought that most people liked it. Yes, I don't like it and always want a root password. As you say, this is and has been contentious. My €0.02 to the debate. sudo has been introduced to give limited root power to a limited set of users, something in between using the root password (only the admins) and the setuid bit (all those that could run a program). If some users needed to have the root power for a small set of operation, then sudo would give them that extact power, no more no less. What are the benefits of The Macintosh/Ubuntu use of sudo? Improved security? Are you kidding? Whatever the user I compromise I have root access, just type sudo bash. Furthermore the sudo habit of keeping valid an authentication for a certain amount of time seems like an open door for malicious code injection. And if this not enough, sudo may become disruptive on machines with several users, unless all of them have the required skills (included the one of stopping and asking advice!) and common administration policies are accepted by all. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21157.31399.63135.88...@mail.eng.it
Re: Reporting missing package during install
On Lu, 09 dec 13, 09:09:11, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: What are the benefits of The Macintosh/Ubuntu use of sudo? Improved security? Are you kidding? Whatever the user I compromise I have root access, just type sudo bash. sudo doesn't make this worse, just slightly easier. Compromising any user account used for getting root is equivalent to getting root on the system. Furthermore the sudo habit of keeping valid an authentication for a certain amount of time seems like an open door for malicious code injection. 1. this can be turned off 2. it's still better than having to require a password every time the user runs 'sudo command', because the net effect would be that most would disable the password completely or just leave a 'sudo -i' session active for ever (and not lock their screen, etc.) And if this not enough, sudo may become disruptive on machines with several users, unless all of them have the required skills (included the one of stopping and asking advice!) and common administration policies are accepted by all. Sorry, but I don't think it's fair to blame 'sudo' for the fact that the system administrator granted sudo privileges to the wrong users. You can't solve social problems by technical means. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
gdm3 issue
Hi All, Issue: This issue started the day before. I log into Debian and instead of a login screen I get a message about gnome-fallback session failing to load and an alert asking me to contact the administrator. The issue started when I removed old linux images from Ubuntu which is on another partition. That resulted in a grub update from ubuntu and since then I've had this issue. Ubuntu has its own swap and home directories. Looking at the error messages I found this in auth.log: Dec 9 14:25:57 Sthir gdm-welcome][3599]: pam_unix(gdm-welcome:session): session opened for user Debian-gdm by (uid=0) Dec 9 14:25:57 Sthir gdm-welcome][3599]: pam_ck_connector(gdm-welcome:session): nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0 Dec 9 14:29:40 Sthir polkitd(authority=local): Registered Authentication Agent for unix-session:/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1 (system bus name :1.42 [/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1], object path /org/gnome/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale en_IN) Dec 9 14:29:42 Sthir dbus[2670]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type=method_call, sender=:1.43 (uid=113 pid=3818 comm=/usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-simple-greeter ) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.14 (uid=0 pid=3534 comm=/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ) Dec 9 14:29:42 Sthir dbus[2670]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type=method_call, sender=:1.43 (uid=113 pid=3818 comm=/usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-simple-greeter ) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.14 (uid=0 pid=3534 comm=/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ) Dec 9 14:29:42 Sthir dbus[2670]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type=method_call, sender=:1.43 (uid=113 pid=3818 comm=/usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-simple-greeter ) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.14 (uid=0 pid=3534 comm=/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ) Dec 9 14:29:42 Sthir dbus[2670]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type=method_call, sender=:1.43 (uid=113 pid=3818 comm=/usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-simple-greeter ) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.14 (uid=0 pid=3534 comm=/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ) Dec 9 14:29:42 Sthir dbus[2670]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type=method_call, sender=:1.43 (uid=113 pid=3818 comm=/usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-simple-greeter ) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.14 (uid=0 pid=3534 comm=/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ) Dec 9 14:29:48 Sthir gdm3][3827]: pam_unix(gdm3:session): session opened for user kailash by (uid=0) Dec 9 14:29:48 Sthir gdm3][3827]: pam_ck_connector(gdm3:session): So the error appears with the gdm greeter being rejected. nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0 Dec 9 14:29:48 Sthir gdm-welcome][3599]: pam_unix(gdm-welcome:session): session closed for user Debian-gdm Dec 9 14:29:48 Sthir polkitd(authority=local): Unregistered Authentication Agent for unix-session:/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1 (system bus name :1.42, object path /org/gnome/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale en_IN) (disconnected from bus) Dec 9 14:29:52 Sthir polkitd(authority=local): Registered Authentication Agent for unix-session:/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session2 (system bus name :1.63 [/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1], object path /org/gnome/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale en_IN) Dec 9 14:30:04 Sthir login[3617]: pam_unix(login:session): session opened for user kailash by LOGIN(uid=0) Dec 9 14:32:08 Sthir sudo: kailash : TTY=tty1 ; PWD=/var/log ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/less auth.log Dec 9 14:32:08 Sthir sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for user root by kailash(uid=0) Dec 9 14:33:00 Sthir sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session closed for user root Is this relevant? If not, what should I be looking at? Sincerely, Kailash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5913c.6000...@gmail.com
Re: compose:menu in xfce
On Monday 09 December 2013 12:36 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I've used setxkbmap -option compose:menu multiple times in XFCE, but for some reason, something keeps kicking it back over to the same useless functionality that the menu key has in Windows. What's the real way to bind compose to the menu key and make it stick? Hi Paul, You could add the command to a start-up script. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 Sincerely, Kailash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a59240.2010...@gmail.com
Re: Reporting missing package during install
Andrei POPESCU writes: On Lu, 09 dec 13, 09:09:11, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: What are the benefits of The Macintosh/Ubuntu use of sudo? Improved security? Are you kidding? Whatever the user I compromise I have root access, just type sudo bash. sudo doesn't make this worse, just slightly easier. Compromising any user account used for getting root is equivalent to getting root on the system. sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter. Furthermore the sudo habit of keeping valid an authentication for a certain amount of time seems like an open door for malicious code injection. 1. this can be turned off It should by default, or the configuration should be more flexible and interactive. Even rewriting the configuration-file-handling-code in sudo could be a good idea :. 2. it's still better than having to require a password every time the user runs 'sudo command', because the net effect would be that most would disable the password completely or just leave a 'sudo -i' session active for ever (and not lock their screen, etc.) Teach them to use a root session that must be handled with exteme care. I have to do X commands as root? I su root, do the X command and close the session. With the off-the-shelf configuration, the simplest thing to do is sudo bash. (BTW, I work with a root-dedicated terminal with proper scary icon and color theme to remind me that it's a dangerous environment). And if this not enough, sudo may become disruptive on machines with several users, unless all of them have the required skills (included the one of stopping and asking advice!) and common administration policies are accepted by all. Sorry, but I don't think it's fair to blame 'sudo' for the fact that the system administrator granted sudo privileges to the wrong users. You can't solve social problems by technical means. I blame the default configuration sudo is shiwpped with. Andrei, I never walked in your shoes so I can't do assumption on your experiences. Mine talk about a group with a sysadmin where having all this freedom to sudo lead to a waste and misallocation of resources that took some *months* to fix. Yes, policies should have prevented this, but this use of sudo leads users to feel less the danger that lies beneath using administrative privileges in a system. It's a psychological barrier that you should not underestimate. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21157.37830.879558.114...@mail.eng.it
Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down
On 09/12/2013 03:17, Mitchell Laks wrote: Microsoft first introduced StickyKeys with Windows 95. The feature is also used in later versions of Windows. Enabling To enable this shortcut, the ⇧Shift key must be pressed 5 times in short succession. This feature can also be turned on and off via the Accessibility icon in the Windows Control Panel. At first, I was concerned to see you referring to Microsoft's implementation. Searching some more I found this, from Gnome: Turn on sticky keys Quickly turn sticky keys on and off Select Turn on accessibility features from the keyboard (above Sticky Keys) to turn sticky keys on and off from the keyboard. When this option is selected, you can press Shift five times in a row to enable or disable sticky keys. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/3.5/a11y-stickykeys.html.en That help page also mentions a couple of other places to control the setting. Not sure if this is exactly the same as your problem, but I had very similar symptoms. Looking at this documentation, I think my 'Sticky Keys' event must have been caused by something touching the 'shift' key during a particularly awkward reshuffle of keyboards and monitor during installation. Good luck, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a59a56.6090...@tesco.net
Re: gdm3 issue
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 15:15 +0530, Kailash Kalyani wrote: The issue started when I removed old linux images from Ubuntu which is on another partition. That resulted in a grub update from ubuntu and since then I've had this issue. So the answer already seems to be there. Ubuntu did likely automatically write a broken grub.cfg with what ever obscure boot option that does break to log in your Debian. If possible you should use a good boot loader instead of GRUB, e.g. Syslinux. I use GRUB 2 just for fun too, but edit grub.cfg manually. Use GRUB 2 from Debian, hopefully it's defaults are more sane than those of *buntus and automatically generate a saner grub.cfg. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386587184.14806.69.camel@archlinux
Re: Debian Testing VMWare-Tools Bad Variable Name
Hi, Starting VMware Tools services in the virtual machine: Switching to guest configuration:[71G done /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name Blocking file system:[71Gfailed /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1187: local: ': bad variable name Guest operating system daemon:[71G done Unable to start services for VMware Tools The problem lies in the output of uname -r: root@wheezy:~# uname -r 3.2.0-4-686-pae root@jessie:~# uname -r 3.11-2-686-pae get_version_integer expects a version like v1 dot v2 dot v3 from uname -r. So a quick'n'dirty fix for the current jessie kernel 3.11.8-1 is: root@jessie:/etc/init.d# diff vmware-tools.orig vmware-tools 846c846,847 version_uts=`uname -r` --- #version_uts=`uname -r` version_uts=3.11.8-1-686-pae But the new kernel version format also causes problems in vmware-config- tools.pl so currently i am unable to compile the vm* kernel modules. See also https://communities.vmware.com/message/2263010#2263010 Regards, Helmar. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312091213.32251.hel...@gerloni.net
Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
Hi, I need a tool that would make sure that, my computer would shutdown after a specific command has been executed. This tool would just wait for the Terminal for executing a command, like '/sudo apt-get upgrade/' and then after the command has been executed, my computer would shutdown. Is that possible? Is there a tool or anything out there that can do this for me? Let me know. It would be of great help. Thanks in advance. Muntasim-Ul-Haque
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On 12/09/2013 01:42 PM, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: Hi, I need a tool that would make sure that, my computer would shutdown after a specific command has been executed. This tool would just wait for the Terminal for executing a command, like '/sudo apt-get upgrade/' and then after the command has been executed, my computer would shutdown. Is that possible? Is there a tool or anything out there that can do this for me? Let me know. It would be of great help. Thanks in advance. Muntasim-Ul-Haque This would do it, but only if apt succeeds: sudo apt-get upgrade sudo shutdown -h now If you want it shut down regardless of the outcome of apt, then this should do it: sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo shutdown -h now regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5bc14.7030...@gmail.com
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 17:42 +0600, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: Hi, I need a tool that would make sure that, my computer would shutdown after a specific command has been executed. This tool would just wait for the Terminal for executing a command, like 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and then after the command has been executed, my computer would shutdown. Is that possible? Is there a tool or anything out there that can do this for me? Let me know. It would be of great help. Thanks in advance. Muntasim-Ul-Haque One way would be to use a script that runs e.g. apt-get and then the shutdown command. #!/bin/sh apt-get update apt-get upgrade shutdown -h now # or poweroff or halt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386593547.14806.88.camel@archlinux
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On 09/12/13 11:42, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote:
Hi,
I need a tool that would make sure that, my computer would shutdown
after a specific command has been executed. This tool would just wait
for the Terminal for executing a command, like '/sudo apt-get upgrade/'
and then after the command has been executed, my computer would
shutdown. Is that possible? Is there a tool or anything out there that
can do this for me? Let me know. It would be of great help. Thanks in
advance.
Muntasim-Ul-Haque
to shut down the computer from a script or command line use
shutdown -h now
It needs elevated(root) permissions so initially I was tempted to use
sudo shutdown -h now
but I think sudo has a timeout after which it prompts you to re-enter
your password, probably not what you want.
So the solution would be to sudo everything and drop to a regular user
to run your command, unless it too needs to be run as root.
My bash scripting isn't sharp enough to do it but here's a place to
start from for user bob, uid=1001
sudo { su -l bob -c 'echo $UID' }; echo $UID
Yes it doesn't work, but if you can tweak it to output 1001 and 0
then you've solved it.
Maybe it's easier to create a script file that takes your command then
shuts down.
There are also other ways to do this that depend on which desktop
environment you're using.
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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
Muntasim-Ul-Haque writes: Hi, I need a tool that would make sure that, my computer would shutdown after a specific command has been executed. This tool would just wait for the Terminal for executing a command, like '/sudo apt-get upgrade/' and then after the command has been executed, my computer would shutdown. If you execute command as root (better than using sudo) you can either issue from the # prompt command; shutdown -h now that shuts down the machine either if command is successful or fails while command shutdown -h now shuts down the machine only if command is successful. On the other hand command || shutdown -h now shuts down the machine only if command fails If you don't run command as root you must either wait for command to end (to type the password) or be sure that it completes before the validity of the sudo password cache expires. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21157.49468.366735.40...@mail.eng.it
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 13:02 +, Philip Ashmore wrote: but I think sudo has a timeout sudo -i and then run a script, if you not explicitly configured it to have a timeout it has got no timeout. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386594696.14806.97.camel@archlinux
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
Hi On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 05:42:17PM +0600, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: Hi, I need a tool that would make sure that, my computer would shutdown after a specific command has been executed. This tool would just wait for the Terminal for executing a command, like 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and then after the command has been executed, my computer would shutdown. Is that possible? Is there a tool or anything out there that can do this for me? Let me know. It would be of great help. Thanks in advance. Others have given useful advice on how to achieve this, but I'm curious: WHY ? It appears non-sensical to upgrade a box and then switch it off? Not even reboot!? I may be a purist, but I find the whole notion of shutdown or reboot abhorrent. That's something you'd do before physically moving a desktop (perhaps: suspend-to-disk seems better here), or after a kernel upgrade (but then it is reboot, not shutdown). -- Karl E. Jorgensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209131139.GA23207@hawking
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 13:11 +, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: Hi On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 05:42:17PM +0600, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: Hi, I need a tool that would make sure that, my computer would shutdown after a specific command has been executed. This tool would just wait for the Terminal for executing a command, like 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and then after the command has been executed, my computer would shutdown. Is that possible? Is there a tool or anything out there that can do this for me? Let me know. It would be of great help. Thanks in advance. Others have given useful advice on how to achieve this, but I'm curious: WHY ? It appears non-sensical to upgrade a box and then switch it off? Not even reboot!? I may be a purist, but I find the whole notion of shutdown or reboot abhorrent. That's something you'd do before physically moving a desktop (perhaps: suspend-to-disk seems better here), or after a kernel upgrade (but then it is reboot, not shutdown). Even a kernel upgrade doesn't need a real reboot, there's another way, but it's OT. A reason to run an upgrade and after that to shutdown might be that you want to leave home and only run an upgrade before you go away and the computer should not be on, when you're not at home. I wouldn't recommend it, IMO it's better to take care when upgrading. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386594976.14806.100.camel@archlinux
Re: Reporting missing package during install
2013-12-09 10:56 keltezéssel, Gian Uberto Lauri írta: sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter. This is not true. Only the user account which is in /etc/sudoers can use the sudo command. In Debian default it acutally means the members of the sudo group. It is up to the root user to decide who will be the member. -- --- Friczy --- 'Death is not a bug, it's a feature' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5c308.2010...@freemail.hu
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 14:16 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 13:11 +, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: Hi On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 05:42:17PM +0600, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: Hi, I need a tool that would make sure that, my computer would shutdown after a specific command has been executed. This tool would just wait for the Terminal for executing a command, like 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and then after the command has been executed, my computer would shutdown. Is that possible? Is there a tool or anything out there that can do this for me? Let me know. It would be of great help. Thanks in advance. Others have given useful advice on how to achieve this, but I'm curious: WHY ? It appears non-sensical to upgrade a box and then switch it off? Not even reboot!? I may be a purist, but I find the whole notion of shutdown or reboot abhorrent. That's something you'd do before physically moving a desktop (perhaps: suspend-to-disk seems better here), or after a kernel upgrade (but then it is reboot, not shutdown). Even a kernel upgrade doesn't need a real reboot, there's another way, but it's OT. A reason to run an upgrade and after that to shutdown might be that you want to leave home and only run an upgrade before you go away and the computer should not be on, when you're not at home. I wouldn't recommend it, IMO it's better to take care when upgrading. A good example, somebody want's to make a backup to a Green drive. The user likes gvfs, but when not at home, after the backup is finished gvfs shouldn't wake up the drive again and again. Nobody is there to unplug the Green drive, so a shutdown would be a good idea. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386595157.14806.103.camel@archlinux
Re: Reporting missing package during install
Gian Uberto Lauri writes: sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter. Ubuntu grants sudo privileges only to the first user account created. As there is no root account, there is just one account with root privileges. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vbyyjgz5@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 14:10 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: If you execute command as root (better than using sudo) you can either issue from the # prompt Andrei already pointed out on another thread how to use sudo and I repeated it for this thread. You can configure su to have a timeout too, but su hasn't by default, neither has sudo -i. There is no need to run sudo again and again, simply run sudo -i one time, like you do when using su. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386595525.14806.106.camel@archlinux
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 14:48 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: If you want it shut down regardless of the outcome of apt, then this should do it: sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo shutdown -h now Wrong, if the upgrade should take to long, then you need to type the password after the upgrade. Better run $ sudo -i # apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; shutdown -h now Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386595826.14806.109.camel@archlinux
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On 12/09/2013 03:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 14:48 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: If you want it shut down regardless of the outcome of apt, then this should do it: sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo shutdown -h now Wrong, if the upgrade should take to long, then you need to type the password after the upgrade. Better run $ sudo -i # apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; shutdown -h now Regards, Ralf It depends on how you have sudoers configured. On some systems certain combinations of programs+options need no password. It's up to the sysadmin and the users. Regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5c6eb.8060...@gmail.com
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 15:34 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: On 12/09/2013 03:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 14:48 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: If you want it shut down regardless of the outcome of apt, then this should do it: sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo shutdown -h now Wrong, if the upgrade should take to long, then you need to type the password after the upgrade. Better run $ sudo -i # apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; shutdown -h now Regards, Ralf It depends on how you have sudoers configured. On some systems certain combinations of programs+options need no password. It's up to the sysadmin and the users. That's correct, but the default for most distros usually is to have a timeout for sudo command , but not for sudo -i . As already pointed out, you also can give su a timeout, IIRC it's possible to have a timeout only if the computer is idle, as long as something happens the timeout won't start. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386596325.14806.112.camel@archlinux
Re: Reporting missing package during install
Nemeth Gyorgy writes: 2013-12-09 10:56 keltezéssel, Gian Uberto Lauri írta: sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter. This is not true. Only the user account which is in /etc/sudoers can use the sudo command. In Debian default it acutally means the members of the sudo group. AFAIK it means those listed in /etc/sudoers, according to the behaviour of the wheezy installation I am, using right now. Reducing the full root access any to any one included in the /etc/sudoer file either does not improve the situation or makes sudo non-necessary. /etc/sudoer should start empty. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21157.51449.377862.220...@mail.eng.it
Re: Reporting missing package during install
John Hasler writes: Gian Uberto Lauri writes: sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter. Ubuntu grants sudo privileges only to the first user account created. As there is no root account, there is just one account with root privileges. Ubuntu does it the wrong way, as Mac OS does. This does not improve security, just leaves some more door open. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21157.51526.241678.165...@mail.eng.it
Re: gdm3 issue
On Monday 09 December 2013 04:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 15:15 +0530, Kailash Kalyani wrote: The issue started when I removed old linux images from Ubuntu which is on another partition. That resulted in a grub update from ubuntu and since then I've had this issue. So the answer already seems to be there. Ubuntu did likely automatically write a broken grub.cfg with what ever obscure boot option that does break to log in your Debian. If possible you should use a good boot loader instead of GRUB, e.g. Syslinux. I use GRUB 2 just for fun too, but edit grub.cfg manually. Use GRUB 2 from Debian, hopefully it's defaults are more sane than those of *buntus and automatically generate a saner grub.cfg. Regards, Ralf Hi Ralf, Thanks, I tried that using update-grub2 from my Debian install. That did not resolve the issue :( I think it's a PAM issue with gdm - can't say if I'm making any sense, but I haven't found a explanation of how they hang together. Sincerely, Kailash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5cbbf.7090...@gmail.com
Re: gdm3 issue
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 19:25 +0530, Kailash Kalyani wrote: Thanks, I tried that using update-grub2 from my Debian install. That did not resolve the issue :( JFTR did you install GRUB by Debian. If not, at least copy the /boot/grub/grub.cfg to the Ubuntu install. I think it's a PAM issue with gdm - can't say if I'm making any sense, but I haven't found a explanation of how they hang together. I don't know. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html But at least removing the Ubuntu kernel wouldn't cause to change something for the Debian install. You could take a look and/or post the /boot/grub/grub.cfg entry that is used by grub to boot Debian, maybe there is a bad boot option. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386597934.14806.117.camel@archlinux
Re: Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
Thanks Lars, Mardorf, Ashmore, Lauri and Jorgensen for your advice. I needed it badly and your advice showed me the way. Thanks a lot. To Jorgensen: I'm a Broadband Internet user and I'm billed for the time my Internet connection is active. Sometimes it happens that I've a large software to install like the TeXworks, which is about 650MB, I think. Or, the system up-gradation, if you may consider. In that case, that would take 6Hrs+ for my Internet connection. Sometimes I execute the command and go to sleep. If the command execution completes and the Internet is still on, then it would be a waste of my Internet. That's why I needed a command that would shutdown the computer after the command execution. That's it. And thanks for your concern. With thanks, Muntasim-Ul-Haque -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5cdcd.1000...@inventati.org
Re: Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
Muntasim-Ul-Haque writes: To Jorgensen: I'm a Broadband Internet user and I'm billed for the time ... command and go to sleep. If the command execution completes and the Internet is still on, then it would be a waste of my Internet. That's why I needed a command that would shutdown the computer You could drop the internet connection only instead of shutting down the whole machine. I know that shutting down the machine saves electricity, but heating and cooling is the mechanical stress that hits the non-moving components of your computer, computer that turn off less often live longer. Now it's all to see what is cheaper (computer or power) and/or pollutes less (computer waste components or power plant)... -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21157.54083.1078.947...@mail.eng.it
Re: gdm3 issue
On Monday 09 December 2013 07:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 19:25 +0530, Kailash Kalyani wrote:
Thanks, I tried that using update-grub2 from my Debian install. That
did not resolve the issue :(
JFTR did you install GRUB by Debian. If not, at least copy
the /boot/grub/grub.cfg to the Ubuntu install.
I think it's a PAM issue with gdm - can't say if I'm making any sense,
but I haven't found a explanation of how they hang together.
I don't know.
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html
But at least removing the Ubuntu kernel wouldn't cause to change
something for the Debian install.
You could take a look and/or post the /boot/grub/grub.cfg entry that is
used by grub to boot Debian, maybe there is a bad boot option.
Hi Ralf,
Here's the boot.cfg (attached).
Thank you for the link! It will at the very least give me some
understanding of PAM.
Sincerely,
Kailash
#
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
#
# It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig using templates
# from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
#
### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/00_header ###
if [ -s $prefix/grubenv ]; then
load_env
fi
set default=0
if [ ${prev_saved_entry} ]; then
set saved_entry=${prev_saved_entry}
save_env saved_entry
set prev_saved_entry=
save_env prev_saved_entry
set boot_once=true
fi
function savedefault {
if [ -z ${boot_once} ]; then
saved_entry=${chosen}
save_env saved_entry
fi
}
function load_video {
insmod vbe
insmod vga
insmod video_bochs
insmod video_cirrus
}
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
if loadfont /usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2 ; then
set gfxmode=640x480
load_video
insmod gfxterm
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
set locale_dir=($root)/boot/grub/locale
set lang=en_IN
insmod gettext
fi
terminal_output gfxterm
set timeout=5
### END /etc/grub.d/00_header ###
### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ###
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
insmod png
if background_image /usr/share/images/desktop-base/joy-grub.png; then
set color_normal=white/black
set color_highlight=black/white
else
set menu_color_normal=cyan/blue
set menu_color_highlight=white/blue
fi
### END /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ###
### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae' --class debian --class
gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
echo'Loading Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae ...'
linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae
root=UUID=ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776 ro quiet
echo'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae
}
menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae (recovery mode)'
--class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
echo'Loading Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae ...'
linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae
root=UUID=ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776 ro single
echo'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae
}
### END /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ###
### END /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ###
### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ ###
menuentry Memory test (memtest86+) {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
linux16 /boot/memtest86+.bin
}
menuentry Memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200) {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
linux16 /boot/memtest86+.bin console=ttyS0,115200n8
}
menuentry Memory test (memtest86+, experimental multiboot) {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
multiboot /boot/memtest86+_multiboot.bin
}
menuentry Memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200, experimental
multiboot) {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
multiboot /boot/memtest86+_multiboot.bin
Re: Reporting missing package during install
2013-12-09 14:43 keltezéssel, Gian Uberto Lauri írta: This is not true. Only the user account which is in /etc/sudoers can use the sudo command. In Debian default it acutally means the members of the sudo group. AFAIK it means those listed in /etc/sudoers, according to the behaviour of the wheezy installation I am, using right now. Reducing the full root access any to any one included in the /etc/sudoer file either does not improve the situation or makes sudo non-necessary. It improves. /etc/sudoer should start empty. By default it is empty. It contains only the 'sudo' group which group is empty. -- --- Friczy --- 'Death is not a bug, it's a feature' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5d4d0.7070...@freemail.hu
Re: Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 20:03 +0600, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: Thanks Lars, Mardorf, Ashmore, Lauri and Jorgensen for your advice. I needed it badly and your advice showed me the way. Thanks a lot. To Jorgensen: I'm a Broadband Internet user and I'm billed for the time my Internet connection is active. Sometimes it happens that I've a large software to install like the TeXworks, which is about 650MB, I think. Or, the system up-gradation, if you may consider. In that case, that would take 6Hrs+ for my Internet connection. Sometimes I execute the command and go to sleep. If the command execution completes and the Internet is still on, then it would be a waste of my Internet. That's why I needed a command that would shutdown the computer after the command execution. That's it. And thanks for your concern. With thanks, Muntasim-Ul-Haque You could use a command to go off-line, instead of shutting down the computer. It depends how often, long the computer is in use. A shutdown and startup isn't good for the drives, OTOH turning a computer on, when it's just used half an hour a day, would be bad. Suspend etc. might nt work when e.g. using a special sound server, such as jackd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386601609.14806.140.camel@archlinux
nautilus - spacefm
I'm trying to move over to spacefm from nautilus because it automounts my usb drives and kindle, but I've hit a snag. I occasionally need to mount a partition via shfs of my website on a remote server, but I cant see how to do that in spacefm. Can anyone help me please? Thanks Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk efever = http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ efever = http://sharon04.livejournal.com/ my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, LibreOffice 4.1.3.2 Registered Linux user 561944 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Monday 09 December 2013 14:03:57 Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: I'm a Broadband Internet user and I'm billed for the time my Internet connection is active. Sometimes it happens that I've a large software to install like the TeXworks, which is about 650MB, I think. Or, the system up-gradation, if you may consider. In that case, that would take 6Hrs+ for my Internet connection. I'm puzzled. How can broadband take six hours to do an upgrade? I would expect dial-up to do so, but broadband?? I even looked in Wiktionary to see whether it was another word which changes its meaning as it crosses the pond, but that appears not to be the case. :-? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312091516.42820.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: gdm3 issue
menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae' --class debian --class
gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
echo'Loading Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae ...'
linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae
root=UUID=ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776 ro quiet
echo'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae
}
I can't speak for such default crap as load_video, but at least the
options ro and quiet shouldn't cause an issue.
My grub.cfg does start with
$ cat /mnt/saucy/boot/grub/grub.cfg
set timeout=8
set default='0'; if [ x$default = xsaved ]; then load_env; set
default=$saved_entry; fi
set color_normal='light-blue/black'; set color_highlight='light-cyan/blue'
# 2013-Dec-05
menuentry
and then there are only menu entries, nothing more. I also don't add the
quiet option and should delete the set default line.
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Re: Selecting partions to use via preseed.cfg
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 08/12/13 23:39, Richard Owlett wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 08/12/13 04:54, Richard Owlett wrote: I am aware of the options demonstrated in http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt . They do not cover my case of interest. ? true, but it refers you to partman-auto-recipe.txt which appears to cover your case of interest. [snip] My description was unclear. See my reply to Mr. Carter. The example you gave Mr. Carter:- A typical scheme is sda1 - an install resembling typical user defaults sda5, sda6, sda7 - a current experimental installs sda8 - local repository sda9 - swap All the disk space is accounted for. I then choose among (sda5, sda6, sda7) for target of next trial. And my question remains:- How does partition recipe approach *not* do that?? In case I'm still unclear - the partition recipe approach can be used to do an automated install to sda5/sda6/sda7 as given in your example - unless there's a conditional logic for which you haven't shown the algorithm. There is no additional logic. i.e.:- 1. choose from one of the detected formatted partitions OR supply the preseed cfg with the identity of that partition How? I don't find description of that procedure nor an example. The reference documentation I'm using is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/debian-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt;hb=HEAD 2. format the partition 3. do single partition install to that partition If partman-auto can do it then the partition recipe will work. Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5e732.9080...@cloud85.net
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On 09/12/13 15:16, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 09 December 2013 14:03:57 Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: I'm a Broadband Internet user and I'm billed for the time my Internet connection is active. Sometimes it happens that I've a large software to install like the TeXworks, which is about 650MB, I think. Or, the system up-gradation, if you may consider. In that case, that would take 6Hrs+ for my Internet connection. I'm puzzled. How can broadband take six hours to do an upgrade? I would expect dial-up to do so, but broadband?? I even looked in Wiktionary to see whether it was another word which changes its meaning as it crosses the pond, but that appears not to be the case. :-? I don't think he meant broadband. BB is always-on, and nobody gets charged by the minute. By the byte, more likely. Shutting down the computer won't disconnect the session. Therefore one must conclude he's actually on dial-up, in which case both of his concerns (connect time and transmission rate) are valid. As someone else said, the sensible thing to do would be to drop theline, rather than kill the computer. -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a5e81c.7040...@vanderhoff.org
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Monday, December 09, 2013 03:56:12 PM Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 09/12/13 15:16, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 09 December 2013 14:03:57 Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: I'm a Broadband Internet user and I'm billed for the time my Internet connection is active. Sometimes it happens that I've a large software to install like the TeXworks, which is about 650MB, I think. Or, the system up-gradation, if you may consider. In that case, that would take 6Hrs+ for my Internet connection. I'm puzzled. How can broadband take six hours to do an upgrade? I would expect dial-up to do so, but broadband?? I even looked in Wiktionary to see whether it was another word which changes its meaning as it crosses the pond, but that appears not to be the case. :-? I don't think he meant broadband. BB is always-on, and nobody gets charged by the minute. By the byte, more likely. Shutting down the computer won't disconnect the session. This depends on the ISP. My ISP does flat fees for its standard connection. But if you go for their uber fantastic awesome uber uber great awesome uber plans they'll start charging for overage and usually set their cap unreasonably low. Therefore one must conclude he's actually on dial-up, in which case both of his concerns (connect time and transmission rate) are valid. As someone else said, the sensible thing to do would be to drop theline, rather than kill the computer. Conrad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1387432.NNSKksPXA6@twilight
Re: gdm3 issue
On Monday 09 December 2013 08:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae' --class debian --class
gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
insmod gzio
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776
echo'Loading Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae ...'
linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae
root=UUID=ddea8c2f-f4b3-4c3f-8809-a3c6c1309776 ro quiet
echo'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae
}
I can't speak for such default crap as load_video, but at least the
options ro and quiet shouldn't cause an issue.
My grub.cfg does start with
$ cat /mnt/saucy/boot/grub/grub.cfg
set timeout=8
set default='0'; if [ x$default = xsaved ]; then load_env; set
default=$saved_entry; fi
set color_normal='light-blue/black'; set color_highlight='light-cyan/blue'
# 2013-Dec-05
menuentry
and then there are only menu entries, nothing more. I also don't add the
quiet option and should delete the set default line.
Thank you for your feedback Ralf,
Yeah grub as a culprit would've been nice and easier to tackle. :)
I've also tried the following:
apt-get install gdm3 metacity --reinstall
But that did not resolve the issue. I'll keep looking.
From my research it seems that switching display managers will remove
my problem, however, for now I'd rather stick to gdm3 and figure out the
issue.
Sincerely,
Kailash
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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
Tony van der Hoff writes: On 09/12/13 15:16, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 09 December 2013 14:03:57 Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: I'm a Broadband Internet user and I'm billed for the time my Internet connection is active. Sometimes it happens that I've a large software to install like the TeXworks, which is about 650MB, I think. Or, the system up-gradation, if you may consider. In that case, that would take 6Hrs+ for my Internet connection. I'm puzzled. How can broadband take six hours to do an upgrade? I would expect dial-up to do so, but broadband?? I even looked in Wiktionary to see whether it was another word which changes its meaning as it crosses the pond, but that appears not to be the case. :-? I don't think he meant broadband. Another scenario could be that: Muntasim-Ul-Haque [PC]###[BROADBAND]~~~[ANOTHER NET]###[DEBIAN MIRROR] where ### are high speed net (may be charged on traffic basis, i.e. UMTS) and ~~~ is a slw branch where the traffic to Debian Mirror is routed, to know exactly what happens one should be Mr. Ul-Haque (I hope I got the family name right) or at least do some inquiry from his computer. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21157.60763.440493.300...@mail.eng.it
Re: nautilus - spacefm
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:03:33 + Sharon Kimble boudic...@talktalk.net wrote: I'm trying to move over to spacefm from nautilus because it automounts my usb drives and kindle, but I've hit a snag. I occasionally need to mount a partition via shfs of my website on a remote server, but I cant see how to do that in spacefm. Can anyone help me please? Answering my own question, neither pcmanfm nor spacefm could do it, but thunar can. The first two also didn’t show hidden files [think '.foobar'] but thunar can, so I'm moving over to thunar as it, so far at least, does everything that I've asked of it. Thunar can - * automount usb drives, * mount sftp drives, * show hidden files, * make a cup of tea! Okay, I lied about the last one, but you get the idea. :) Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk efever = http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ efever = http://sharon04.livejournal.com/ my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, LibreOffice 4.1.3.2 Registered Linux user 561944 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: compose:menu in xfce
Hi. On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 01:06:25 -0600 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I've used setxkbmap -option compose:menu multiple times in XFCE, but for some reason, something keeps kicking it back over to the same useless functionality that the menu key has in Windows. What's the real way to bind compose to the menu key and make it stick? In no particular order, that 'something' could be: 1) Settings in /etc/default/keyboard. Applies at every boot and every X session start. Just add you preferences to XKBOPTIONS like this: XKBOPTIONS=compose:menu 2) XFCE xkb-plugin applet (~/.config/xfce4/panel/xkb-plugin-[0-9].rc). Edit this configuration file like this: never_modify_config=true compose_key_position=compose:menu 3) Some custom Input Method (be it XIM, SCIM or whatever). The solution is to deinstall it unless you really need it. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209203202.34a6ac542dddb875da05b...@gmail.com
Re: Reporting missing package during install
On Lu, 09 dec 13, 10:56:22, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter. Could you please elaborate on this? In Debian's default configuration this is simply not true. Furthermore the sudo habit of keeping valid an authentication for a certain amount of time seems like an open door for malicious code injection. 1. this can be turned off It should by default, or the configuration should be more flexible and interactive. Even rewriting the configuration-file-handling-code in sudo could be a good idea :. Huh? 2. it's still better than having to require a password every time the user runs 'sudo command', because the net effect would be that most would disable the password completely or just leave a 'sudo -i' session active for ever (and not lock their screen, etc.) Teach them to use a root session that must be handled with exteme care. I'd rather they work as they own user all the time and just preface with 'sudo' the occasional command that really needs it. You are of course aware that you can configure sudo to only allow specific commands, right? I have to do X commands as root? I su root, do the X command and close the session. With the off-the-shelf configuration, the simplest thing to do is sudo bash. Sorry, but I can't see the connection between those two. Besides, logging in as root under X is a big no-no, there are much safer ways to run X programs as root (though I don't remember the last time I needed to do this). Mine talk about a group with a sysadmin where having all this freedom to sudo lead to a waste and misallocation of resources that took some *months* to fix. Yes, policies should have prevented this, but this use of sudo leads users to feel less the danger that lies beneath using administrative privileges in a system. It's a psychological barrier that you should not underestimate. The default configuration doesn't grant privileges to anyone. The sysadmin is responsible for granting additional privileges only to properly trained/responsible/etc. persons. If a trainee cook cuts his (or someone else's) fingers you don't blame the knife (or make them use blunt knifes instead). Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gdm3 issue [boot loader digression]
On Monday, December 09, 2013 06:06:24 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 15:15 +0530, Kailash Kalyani wrote: The issue started when I removed old linux images from Ubuntu which is on another partition. That resulted in a grub update from ubuntu and since then I've had this issue. So the answer already seems to be there. Ubuntu did likely automatically write a broken grub.cfg with what ever obscure boot option that does break to log in your Debian. If possible you should use a good boot loader instead of GRUB, e.g. Syslinux. I use GRUB 2 just for fun too, but edit grub.cfg manually. Use GRUB 2 from Debian, hopefully it's defaults are more sane than those of *buntus and automatically generate a saner grub.cfg. Syslinux is nice, but it has its own problems and limitations. I couldn't get it to work on ISO installer, ISO converted-to-flash install and the system runtime. Grub 2 is, as far as I know, still broken. I once spent 2-3 weeks trying to change my firewall system from isolinux/lilo/grub to grub2 for all booting. I couldn't get it to work on ISO and it simply refused to install on the disk I told it to (it always used the first disk it found that had some form of grub2 on it). I finally quit and went back to grub legacy with all of redhat's patches. I had it re-integrated and running in about a half hour: booting the ISO and the ISO equivalent on flash/rotating drives--which entails copying the tree from the ISO, changing '(cd)' to '(hd0,0)' in the config file(s), and installing grub in the boot loader--and booting the runtime system. The firewall system now has a consistent boot presentation. Since then, I've fixed a few bugs in it; it now displays background images very nicely, handles multiple linked config files, works very well on serial consoles, and the 'hit a key to continue' works reliably to select the serial or VESA console when it finds both. My tuppence. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312091204.21162.neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu
Re: Reporting missing package during install
Andrei POPESCU writes: On Lu, 09 dec 13, 10:56:22, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter. Could you please elaborate on this? In Debian's default configuration this is simply not true. In Debian default configuration you have 2 critical accounts instead of one. Think about this scenario: someone devises a clever way to slip a Trojan in a user account. Most of the people is at leas slightly less security-paranoid when using their own account than they are with the root one. The Trojan could exploit sudo to gain access to the root account by exploiting this lack of attention. Therefore you have to be paranoid with TWO accounts. Or use a non sudo-capable account for ordinary work and a sudo-capable one for administrative task. And we are back with two accounts, but with 3 homes :) Furthermore the sudo habit of keeping valid an authentication for a certain amount of time seems like an open door for malicious code injection. 1. this can be turned off It should by default, or the configuration should be more flexible and interactive. Even rewriting the configuration-file-handling-code in sudo could be a good idea :. Huh? sudo configuration is a bit clunky, not plain and intuitive. You are of course aware that you can configure sudo to only allow specific commands, right? And this is what sudo is for: grant the minimum required power. Default configuration should be: sudo grants nothing to nobody, the sysadmin should add what required. This (ab)use of sudo makes good practices less evident. I have to do X commands as root? I su root, do the X command and close the session. Sorry for the poor wording, I am all but an English native speaker. I meant the root shell started with su when I wrote session. I understand that session is very easily misunderstood as X11 session, my wording error. With the off-the-shelf configuration, the simplest thing to do is sudo bash. Sorry, but I can't see the connection between those two. Tell me what changes between 'su -' and 'sudo bash'. Despite the password you must type. Besides, logging in as root under X is a big no-no, there are much safer ways to run X programs as root (though I don't remember the last time I needed to do this). I am not logging on with X running! I ALWAYS start X from the shell, that's after all the times I seen X11 crashing immediately under xdm... The bug that allowed anybody to peek your keyboard should be gone from a long time ago, nevertheless there are options to prevent these when you initially enter the root password in a terminal. Doing su or sudo in a terminal is equally risky. Mine talk about a group with a sysadmin where having all this freedom to sudo lead to a waste and misallocation of resources that took some *months* to fix. Yes, policies should have prevented this, but this use of sudo leads users to feel less the danger that lies beneath using administrative privileges in a system. It's a psychological barrier that you should not underestimate. The default configuration doesn't grant privileges to anyone. The sysadmin is responsible for granting additional privileges only to properly trained/responsible/etc. persons. True. It was a case of people doing cut'n'paste of the line, sudo standard configuration is not to blame. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21157.64035.378332.381...@mail.eng.it
Re: Reporting missing package during install
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 18:13 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Think about this scenario: someone devises a clever way to slip a Trojan in a user account. Than the trojan has got user privileges only. If it's a key logger it can read what password you type for sudo, but also what you type for su. User 1000 who has got cow powers when using sudo, does not have the cow powers without running sudo. It doesn't matter if you set-up and use sudo, su or sudo and su. Security is a combination of actions to be taken. I know they hack servers, but was the Linux home PC of anybody on this list ever hacked? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386610474.14806.166.camel@archlinux
Re: Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
Thank you everyone for joining me in this conversation. And sorry, my Internet wasn't Broadband. It's Dial-up indeed. Now, in a nutshell, what I have, is a command that would do the job for me, no matter how long it takes to execute the command. The following could be considered as an example: */$ sudo -i/**/ /**/# apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; shutdown -h now/**/ /*I would try it myself though. Hope this works. With thanks, Muntasim-Ul-Haque
Re: Reporting missing package during install
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote: Lisi Reisz writes: On Saturday 07 December 2013 21:36:30 Bob Proulx wrote: If you look back in the mailing list archives you will find a recent discussion where there were some people who didn't like sudo. I was shocked by that because I always thought that most people liked it. Yes, I don't like it and always want a root password. As you say, this is and has been contentious. Having a password for root and having sudo installed and set up isn't an either/or proposition. sudo has been introduced to give limited root power to a limited set of users, something in between using the root password (only the admins) and the setuid bit (all those that could run a program). sudo isn't simply to switch to root and sudo isn't simply to switch to another user. We have 6 or 7 more developers than sysadmins and the developers have thousands of sudo rules with only some with access to root (only to install their packages and only in certain teams). I've never seen it done but you can also change the default runas user for sudo for it not to be root, using the runas_default option. If some users needed to have the root power for a small set of operation, then sudo would give them that extact power, no more no less. What are the benefits of The Macintosh/Ubuntu use of sudo? Improved security? Are you kidding? Whatever the user I compromise I have root access, just type sudo bash. You seem to assume that everyone has ALL as the executable that can be run via sudo. In OS X and Ubuntu (and in Fedora if you don't don't opt-in in anaconda to set a root password) the first user is considered an administrator and is set up to have access to sudo. For any further user, the default is for him/her not to be an administrator. Furthermore the sudo habit of keeping valid an authentication for a certain amount of time seems like an open door for malicious code injection. You can use the timestamp_timeout option to set this to zero. Is your malicious code injection scenario that a person or a program is watching for you to use sudo so as to abuse this timeout? I'd say that you have a bigger problem if a cracker already has that full an access to your system. And if this not enough, sudo may become disruptive on machines with several users, unless all of them have the required skills (included the one of stopping and asking advice!) and common administration policies are accepted by all. What's the difference between giving some of those users access to root and giving those same ones sudo access to root? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Syt=fbmsrxdi+wsdqhpr7ob1jh9rewhiwc6rauu8nm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Reporting missing package during install
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote: Andrei POPESCU writes: On Lu, 09 dec 13, 09:09:11, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: What are the benefits of The Macintosh/Ubuntu use of sudo? Improved security? Are you kidding? Whatever the user I compromise I have root access, just type sudo bash. sudo doesn't make this worse, just slightly easier. Compromising any user account used for getting root is equivalent to getting root on the system. sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter. You're assuming that everyone has ALL as the executable that can be run via sudo and that sudo is only used to act as root. 2. it's still better than having to require a password every time the user runs 'sudo command', because the net effect would be that most would disable the password completely or just leave a 'sudo -i' session active for ever (and not lock their screen, etc.) Teach them to use a root session that must be handled with exteme care. I have to do X commands as root? I su root, do the X command and close the session. With the off-the-shelf configuration, the simplest thing to do is sudo bash. You're assuming that everyone has ALL as the executable that can be run via sudo. By default on a Debian system, only the members of the sudo group have unrestricted access to root via sudo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sxh5hc6svhnp6rscxytrriuve9zwosupxz7jgvojvu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: gdm3 issue
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 15:15 +0530, Kailash Kalyani wrote: The issue started when I removed old linux images from Ubuntu which is on another partition. That resulted in a grub update from ubuntu and since then I've had this issue. So the answer already seems to be there. Ubuntu did likely automatically write a broken grub.cfg with what ever obscure boot option that does break to log in your Debian. The Ubuntu-created grub.cfg cannot be blamed for a GDM problem. If GDM is being launched, grub's job has been done many seconds ago. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=szlhsdqsamhhy6gmk9d7xolvk+eazh4xtzpyq7tdsv...@mail.gmail.com
Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ?
I've just done a fresh netinst of Wheezy and want to proceed with my personal configuring in a way that is not fighting with the Debian view of how things should be done. I've used Debian since Potato, I think, but have always hacked things until they seemed to be working. Now, I want to try to do things in the way the developers had in mind when they built the install CD images. I see the file ~/.profile . It contains code that tests for the existence of ~/bin/ and adds it to $PATH , if it exists. But it doesn't 'work'. After I have created my ~/bin/. and filled it with some scripts, and rebooted, there is still no mention of ~/bin/ in $PATH . Why? When does ~/.profile actually get invoked? Is there some part of the boot process that must be configured in order to invoke it? I used the CD that installs Xfce for i386 on an older HP tower. Not sure what further details are necessary to diagnose this. Please ask specific questions if I have left something needed out. as always, Thanks and Cheers -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131209191553.ga4...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Debian Testing VMWare-Tools Bad Variable Name
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Helmar Gerloni hel...@gerloni.net wrote: Starting VMware Tools services in the virtual machine: Switching to guest configuration: [71G done /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name Blocking file system: [71Gfailed /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1187: local: ': bad variable name Guest operating system daemon: [71G done Unable to start services for VMware Tools The problem lies in the output of uname -r: root@wheezy:~# uname -r 3.2.0-4-686-pae root@jessie:~# uname -r 3.11-2-686-pae get_version_integer expects a version like v1 dot v2 dot v3 from uname -r. Upstream still uses the 0 (or n) sublevel so the kernel team might be amenable to changing its numbering scheme. # head -n4 Makefile VERSION = 3 PATCHLEVEL = 13 SUBLEVEL = 0 EXTRAVERSION = -rc3 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SxuXtuM4otmO3Mt4tnxz56XymdGf=3mg6oxptswl7h...@mail.gmail.com
Can't find cmake package
Greetings I'm sure this will have some of you rolling your eyes, but I can't download/install the cmake package. Here is my command line : *apt-get install cmake *The result is *Reading package lists...Done Package cmake is not available *In /sources.list /is/: /*deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib *which was put there by the installer. In that file I have commented out lines which named my DVD drive as a source since it seems to be failing. I have run : *apt-get check* and the results looked normal (to my untrained eye). I have verified the existence of the cmake package by searching on debian.org. Where is my typo? Thanks
