Re: Where's tkmixer?

2014-04-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:31:18AM -0400, R. Clayton wrote:
>   I don't use tk but it is here
>   https://packages.debian.org/sid/sound/tkmixer
> 
> From what I can tell, that's a unstable package for a motorola
> architecture, while I'm looking for a testing package for an intel 
> architecture.

You haven't told us much, but there is a lot to choose from, e.g.
$ apt-cache search mixer | wc -l
85

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Re: Switching OS

2014-04-10 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 11/04/14 14:31, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 08:30:13PM -0700, Stephen Barr wrote:
>> I have been using Ubuntu for several years now but all of a sudden 
>> it has begun locking up, sometimes several times a day. Very 
>> annoying, especially when it fouls up file names. I have a lot of 
>> work to do on my website and this is driving me crazy. Can I 
>> download Debian, delete Ubuntu and have Debian accept the Ubuntu 
>> files? Sounds simple (I hope). Thank you, Stephen
> 
> What files?

> Also, if it is a hardware problem, which is highly possible, then it 
> won't matter which OS you download and install. You'll still have the
> same problem.


Good point - better to prove the cause of the existing problem before
installing Debian hoping 'it' will cure the unknown.

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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread PaulNM


On 04/10/2014 04:56 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:



> 
> Dist-upgrade installs the NEWER version of a file(s) and its
> dependencies, and removes the OLD version.  That is, v1.0 to v2.0.
> Upgrade does v1.0 to v1.1 as well a security and bug fixes.  Check the
> versions of what was going to be installed against what was initially
> installed. Also, check the held-back files against what
> dist-upgrade would have installed.  Any match up namewise?
> 

No, upgrade/safe-upgrade will replace any packages with the newest
version available in the repositories, regardless of whether it's a
major or minor version.

What it won't do is remove any packages.  So if upgrading foo requires
bar to be removed in order to satisfy dependencies, foo won't be upgraded.

Dist-upgrade/full-upgrade will remove package to satisfy dependencies.

Debian does avoid major version changes in stable and old-stable. That's
a matter of repository policies though, not an apt/aptitude thing.
Testing and Sid regularly see major version upgrades, by design.

> 
> B
> 
> 

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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Chris Bannister
[Please trim your quotes to just include relevant content, makes it
easier to read.]

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:04:21PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> After it went
> Stable, I used just upgrade -- for the most part.  So there would be no
> major changes. This also recommended by Debian.

Stable means there are no major changes. It's not a user determined
action. The difference between "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" has been
discussed many times on this list.

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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread PaulNM


On 04/11/2014 12:04 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:



> 
> Now, if "they" could come up with an efficient and effective way to
> uninstall/purge stuff installed via a metapackage.  Or maybe there is
> and I just haven't found it. ;-)
> 

apt-get autoremove

> B
> 
> 

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Re: Switching OS

2014-04-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 08:30:13PM -0700, Stephen Barr wrote:
> I have been using Ubuntu for several years now but all of a sudden it has
> begun locking up, sometimes several times a day. Very annoying, especially
> when it fouls up file names. I have a lot of work to do on my website and
> this is driving me crazy. Can I download Debian, delete Ubuntu and have
> Debian accept the Ubuntu files? Sounds simple (I hope). Thank you, Stephen

What files?
Also, if it is a hardware problem, which is highly possible, then it
won't matter which OS you download and install. You'll still have the
same problem.

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Re: Where's tkmixer?

2014-04-10 Thread R. Clayton
  I don't use tk but it is here https://packages.debian.org/sid/sound/tkmixer

>From what I can tell, that's a unstable package for a motorola architecture,
while I'm looking for a testing package for an intel architecture.
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Re: Switching OS

2014-04-10 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 11/04/14 13:30, Stephen Barr wrote:
> I have been using Ubuntu for several years now but all of a sudden it
> has begun locking up, sometimes several times a day. Very annoying,
> especially when it fouls up file names. I have a lot of work to do on my
> website and this is driving me crazy. Can I download Debian, delete
> Ubuntu and have Debian accept the Ubuntu files? 


Unless I misunderstand your meaning, no.

What you can do is wipe Ubuntu and install Debian while preserving your
home directory data, and reusing many of your system and user-space
customisations, while installing as many of the Debian versions of the
Ubuntu apps as possible.
This is easiest if you have /home on a separate partition but always
possible even if you RAID or have a simple single slice install.

Please provide the following information and we'll give you a
step-by-step guide to the process.

1. How have you setup Ubuntu?
(lvm, luks, disk and slice details).

2. How much free space do you have on the box?

3. What backup choices do you have?
(external hard drives, USB Keys, CD/DVDs, networked box/es, and how much
space).

4. Which version of Ubuntu is installed.

5. What are the details of your box?
(lspci, mb make and model)

> Sounds simple (I hope).

Relatively. It can be done safely, which is the most important thing.
Should take you about two hours to do (depending on how much data needs
to be backed up and how much you'd customised your Ubuntu install.

> Thank you, Stephen
> 
> 


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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Frank McCormick wrote:

> On 10/04/14 04:56 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Frank McCormick wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/04/14 11:50 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Frank McCormick wrote:
> >>>
>  Had a strange problem this morning for the second time recently:
> 
> 
>  root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get upgrade
>  Reading package lists... Done
>  Building dependency tree
>  Reading state information... Done
>  Calculating upgrade... Done
>  The following package was automatically installed and is no
>  longer required: python-gtksourceview2
>  Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
>  The following packages have been kept back:
>   eom-common mate-panel mate-panel-common
>  The following packages will be upgraded:
>   base-passwd cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common
>  cups-core-drivers cups-daemon
>   cups-ppdc cups-server-common dnsmasq-base geoip-database
>  libcups2 libcupscgi1
>   libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 man-db pluma
>  pluma-common ruby 20 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and
>  3 not upgraded. Need to get 7,645 kB of archives.
>  After this operation, 4,731 kB disk space will be freed.
>  Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> 
>  Apt-get then did what it said it would upgrading everything
>  except mate-panel, mate-panel-commong and eom
> >>>
> >>> This is the proper behavior for "upgrade."  To "upgrade" the
> >>> held-back files use "dist-upgrade" instead. The apt-get man
> >>> explains the difference between the two, and why it is done that
> >>> way.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> B
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>  As I told another poster here, dist-upgrade wanted to remove
> >> half of Mate.
> >
> > Dist-upgrade installs the NEWER version of a file(s) and its
> > dependencies, and removes the OLD version.  That is, v1.0 to v2.0.
> > Upgrade does v1.0 to v1.1 as well a security and bug fixes.  Check
> > the versions of what was going to be installed against what was
> > initially installed. Also, check the held-back files against what
> > dist-upgrade would have installed.  Any match up namewise?
> >
> > I admit apt-get and aptitude can be a pain to use sometimes.  That's
> > why someone created Synaptic. ;-)
> >
> >> Synaptic was the only one that offered to replace the old
> >> mate-applets file with the new one, Neither apt-get, nor aptitude
> >> in any of my attempts mentioned anything about the applets file.
> >
> > Did you try "upgrading" those old mate-applets specifically by name?
> > What were the version numbers of the old and new applets?  If they
> > differed by major version numbers, upgrade won't upgrade them.
> > That's not what it does.
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> 
> Well I wasn't aware of them at the time.

How do you think I learned about apt-get's and aptitude's quirks?

> But synaptic was. This is from the apt log.
> 
> Start-Date: 2014-04-10  11:00:36
> Commandline: synaptic
> Install: libmate-panel-applet-4-1:i386 (1.8.0+dfsg1-1, automatic)
> Upgrade: mate-panel:i386 (1.6.0-2.1+8.jessie, 1.8.0+dfsg1-1), 
> mate-panel-common:i386 (1.6.0-2.1+8.jessie, 1.8.0+dfsg1-1)
> Remove: libmatepanelapplet:i386 (1.6.0-2.1+8.jessie)
> End-Date: 2014-04-10  11:00:51
> 
> It may have been because of the difference in names...the new one
> has -4-1 at the end...the old one is just called libmatepanelapplet.
> 
> But if synaptic knew about it...why didn't aptitude or apt-get ?

Maybe, "they" fixed the problem with synaptic.  Made it more
"intelligent."

> I ran aptitude with full-upgrade and apt-get with dist-upgrade,
> but hit 'N' when they wanted to pull out half of Mate. So I don't have
> a record of what they proposed as it was not logged.

No problem.  I was just curious.

FWIW, when I initially installed Wheezy 64-bit on this system, it was
Testing Beta heading toward Stable.  Took about 3 months.  I used
apt-get dist-upgrade to "upgrade" it to the most current versions of
everything installed. This was recommended by Debian.  After it went
Stable, I used just upgrade -- for the most part.  So there would be no
major changes. This also recommended by Debian.

Now, if "they" could come up with an efficient and effective way to
uninstall/purge stuff installed via a metapackage.  Or maybe there is
and I just haven't found it. ;-)

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Switching OS

2014-04-10 Thread Stephen Barr
I have been using Ubuntu for several years now but all of a sudden it 
has begun locking up, sometimes several times a day. Very annoying, 
especially when it fouls up file names. I have a lot of work to do on my 
website and this is driving me crazy. Can I download Debian, delete 
Ubuntu and have Debian accept the Ubuntu files? Sounds simple (I hope). 
Thank you, Stephen



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Re: mirroring debian-security, sharing package pool with stable/testing/sid pool

2014-04-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 4/11/14, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> On 4/11/14, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>> Thus my question:
>> Is it possible to use debmirror, to mirror stable,testing,sid as well
>> as debian-security for stable and testing, and have them all share the
>> same package pool?

> I guess another way to answer my question is: what is the time lapse
> for packages to "migrate" from debian security repo, to regular debian
> repos?
>
> If automatically part of the next 24-hour (or less) 'catch up' then
> there is no point my creating a local security repo.

In my foggy memory, that at least for debian stable, I seem to
remember something about security updates all get collected up,
possibly with other updates (??) and they become the next stable point
release.

A point-release is definitely too slow for security updates!

BUT, users complain when their OS slows down their internet connection:

"it was really slow last night"

"but you've only got dialup, it was probably a security update"

"a what? I had to send an important email to my parents, and it was so
slow I don't even know if it ever got through! this has to be fixed!
Windows didn't do this to me!?!"

(Of course, WindowsXP did do this to people, but people don't properly
remember the past, being creatures trained very sadly so, in the art
of instant gratification and 'the consumer is king'. Oh what world we
live in.)

TIA
Zenaan


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Re: mirroring debian-security, sharing package pool with stable/testing/sid pool

2014-04-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 4/11/14, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> Thus my question:
> Is it possible to use debmirror, to mirror stable,testing,sid as well
> as debian-security for stable and testing, and have them all share the
> same package pool?

In particular, for example, I stopped my initial debian-security (off
of aarnet mirror) debmirror run, after about 20 package downloads,
since I realised it said ~9GiB to download.

Just now I checked one package, with results as follows:
Just downloaded:
nice /usr/bin/debmirror --diff=mirror --md5sums
--rsync-extra=trace,doc,tools --exclude='/Translation-.*\.bz2$'
--include='/Translation-(en).*\.bz2$'
--include='/Translation-en.*\.bz2$' --verbose --progress
--arch=amd64,i386,armhf --section=main,contrib,non-free
--dist=wheezy/updates,jessie/updates --host=mirror.aarnet.edu.au
--method=ftp --root=pub/debian-security /public/debian/debian-security
...
Files to download: 9793 MiB
[  0%] Getting: pool/updates/main/a/a2ps/a2ps_4.14-1.1+deb7u1.diff.gz#
...
[  0%] Getting:
pool/updates/main/a/asterisk/asterisk-config_1.8.13.1~dfsg1-3+deb7u3_all.deb
##
...

And when I check my main repos package pool:
$ find /public/debian/debian/|grep asterisk-config
/public/debian/debian/pool/main/a/asterisk/asterisk-config_11.8.1~dfsg-1_all.deb
/public/debian/debian/pool/main/a/asterisk/asterisk-config_1.8.13.1~dfsg1-3+deb7u3_all.deb
/public/debian/debian/pool/main/a/asterisk/asterisk-config_11.8.1~dfsg-1~bpo70+1_all.deb

and we see, the second result of my grep is the same package that was
just downloaded for debian-security.

Such inefficiency shall NOT be tolerated!

:)

I guess another way to answer my question is: what is the time lapse
for packages to "migrate" from debian security repo, to regular debian
repos?

If automatically part of the next 24-hour (or less) 'catch up' then
there is no point my creating a local security repo.

Advice on this issue will be appreciated,
Zenaan


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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2014 #435

2014-04-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 01:20:22PM -0400, Michael Torres wrote:
> I am using 7.4 gnome
> On Apr 10, 2014 2:37 AM, 
> wrote:

tl;dr

Please turn off digest mode if you want to post a question.

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mirroring debian-security, sharing package pool with stable/testing/sid pool

2014-04-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
I currently know to some degree, and use, debmirror.

I admin/help-desk for quite a few people in a rural area - the PCs I
admin are typically only connected to the Internet via high-latency,
low-bandwidth internet connections.

So, I run a debian mirror from a particular host which has a
high-bandwidth internet connection.

I then sync against this mirror every {random period of time,
sometimes a day, sometimes a week or more} and then use that sync'ed
mirror to update the various other PCs I admin.

Does it make sense, that when I connect my sync'ed USB drive to a
computer I am updating, that an apt-get update would also update from
a local debian-security mirror?

I could create a mirror from, eg, mirror.aarnet.edu.au (I'm in
Australia, and our ISP peers its free zone with aarnet).

I just began this process now, but stopped it when I realized that
there may be overlap between the debian-security package pool, and the
normal debian stable/testing pools.

Thus my question:
Is it possible to use debmirror, to mirror stable,testing,sid as well
as debian-security for stable and testing, and have them all share the
same package pool?

I can't see it, and I'm hoping I am simply not understanding
something. If I would have to go to a more advanced setup with some
other debian tool, I am willing, but that would take some time (namely
finding the time, so would not be immediately).

TIA
Zenaan


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Charlie
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:57:37 +0200 Florian Ernst sent:

> Try a wider window, or simply "COLUMNS=200 dpkg-query -l openssl", or
> use "apt-cache policy openssl".
> 
> HTH,
> Flo

I'm already to "g" on Jessie. Is that good?

openssl:
  Installed: 1.0.1g-2
  Candidate: 1.0.1g-2
  Version table:
 *** 1.0.1g-2 0

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Re: Cropping a large collection of .PNG screenshots

2014-04-10 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 11/04/14 05:07, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 04/09/2014 10:09 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 03:03:14AM -0700, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>> I have a few hundred screen shots I want to put on a web page, but
>>> they are all full-screen and I want to crop to the real contents.
>>> This is an identical region in all cases.  So I want to script it.
>>>
>>> So, 2 questions:
>>> A) What's the best tool for the job?  Gimp, irfanview, or something
>>> else?
>>> B) Is there a script already in existence where I can just change the
>>> crop rectangle?  I really don't want to learn a new language for a
>>> one-time job.
>> *IF* you are into perl, then consider perlmagick.
>> There are examples under the /usr/share/doc/perlmagick/examples/demo/
>> directory, e.g.
>>
> 
> He might consider using "Simple Image Reducer" which is in the repos.
> You don't have to kill a chicken (ala Computer Voodoo) to use it. I use
> it on collections of photos to get them all to a smaller and even aspect
> ratio for use on our webpages. I just click and import all of the images
> I want, to select and set them all to one size. Seconds later, they are
> all done and MUCH smaller in file size. Perfect for webpage use. I'm an
> idiot and it "just works for me". :) Ric
> 

Um, Rick - he doesn't want to make the images smaller by shrinking the
whole image, the OP wants to crop out a smaller section of the image.
Must - kill - chickens :)


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Re: /var/cache/man/...

2014-04-10 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 11/04/14 02:15, Mike McClain wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:14:39AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 10/04/14 01:44, Mike McClain wrote:
>>> The other day I noticed my computer clutteres up with many
>>> directories in /var/cache/man/ for languages I don't speak so I
>>> deleted them.
>>
>> That was a mistake. You're new to this "sysadmin" stuff right? ;)
> 
> Yeah, I've only been maintaining my own *nix system for 16 years.

By "deleting" files generated by unknown processes? It's system
administration, just not as I know it - but it's your system, so you
don't have to worry about employers, insurers and industry best
practices. But clearly you know all the answers.

> 
>>> Today they're back but I can't tell how they got there.
>>
>> That's good, it means your "delete what I don't like or understand"
>> didn't create a huge problem.
> 
> I've never created such a problem that I had to re-install, anything
> else is not a 'huge' problem.

Agree, my comment wasn't sarcasm.

>> From your response I suspect you don't know what triggers the
>> re-creation of those unneeded directories.
> 
>>> Nothing in /etc/cron/* says anything about recreating them. I assume
>>> mandb did it but can't tell what initiated the recreation of all
>>> these directories. Nor can I see any need, I don't imagine very many
>>> people speak all of those 23 languages. What is the purpose of having
>>> all of them installed?
>>
>> Um, didn't *you* install them?
>> Wouldn't that make it a rhetorical question?
>> :)
> 
> I installed the whole system so in that manner you are correct but I
> did not ask for all those other languages.

Unless you specifically don't ask for them, that's what you get - it's a
result of the one-size-fits-all metapackage system designed to mostly
work in most situations.

Specifically *not* asking for them takes a bit of work, e.g. installing
debconf-english instead of debconf-i18n, starting with a very minimal
system and installing (and configuring) localepurge before installing
additional packages.

> 
>> The answer of course is that most people use characters and words from a
>> number of languages. Those extra man pages don't take up a lot of space.
> 
> The fact that I like enchiladas doesn't mean I need spanish man pages.
> 
>> You have several options:-
>> ;don't install all languages to start with (be selective during installs
>> - don't install i18n packages if you don't want internationalization)
> 
> I didn't, the only packages installed that mention 'i18n' are:
> debconf-i18n  1.5.49
> libtext-wrapi18n-perl 0.06-7
> and I certainly didn't ask that debconf be international.

# apt-get install debconf-english localepurge
will help, but it's easier to do before most packages are installed.


> 
>> ;don't install man
> 
> Get real.

Great attitude. If you don't like the answers perhaps you should answer
your own questions and save bandwidth.




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Re: debmirror balks on armhf, when adding armhf to i386,amd64 archive pool

2014-04-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 4/11/14, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> On 4/11/14, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>> On 12/5/12, Bob Proulx  wrote:
>>> Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 When I try to add armhf to my local debmirror archive, I get these
 sorts of errors:

 dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2012-08-12-0215.28.gz
 failed sha1sum check, removing
>
>> OK, I've now tried ftp.au.debian.org - same problem. Is there some
>> specific other mirror I should try?
>
> Sorry, I have tried both ftp.au.debian.org, and ftp.iinet.net.au,
> although my email doesn't show it, I have been trying ftp.iinet.net.au
> the last week, and changed it to ftp.au.debian.org just now.
>
> $ ping ftp.iinet.net.au
> PING ftp.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.32) 56(84) bytes of data.
>
> $ ping ftp.au.debian.org
> PING ftp.au.debian.org (218.100.43.30) 56(84) bytes of data.
>
> So they seem to be different servers.
>
> For reference, here's my iinet run:

And here's an entire mirror.aarnet.edu.au run, which appears to have
even more problems:

nice /usr/bin/debmirror --diff=mirror --nocleanup
--rsync-extra=trace,doc,tools --ignore-release-gpg
--exclude='/Translation-.*\.bz2$'
--include='/Translation-(en).*\.bz2$'
--include='/Translation-en.*\.bz2$' --exclude-deb-section=debug
--exclude-deb-section=news --verbose --progress --arch=armhf
--section=main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free
--dist=sid,jessie,wheezy,wheezy-updates,wheezy-backports
--host=mirror.aarnet.edu.au --method=ftp --root=pub/debian
/public/debian/debian
Mirroring to /public/debian/debian from
ftp://anonym...@mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian/
Arches: armhf
Dists: sid,jessie,wheezy,wheezy-updates,wheezy-backports
Sections: main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free
Including source.
Pdiff mode: mirror
Will NOT clean up.
Attempting to get lock ...
Updating remote trace files (using rsync) ...

Welcome to mirror.aarnet.edu.au - AARNet's mirror service


Content is available via:
rsync://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/
ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/

Please read the FAQ at http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/indexfaq.html



Feedback and queries are welcome to mir...@aarnet.edu.au


receiving incremental file list
deleting project/trace/mirror.waia.asn.au
deleting project/trace/ftp.iinet.net.au
./
project/
project/trace/
project/trace/debian.gtisc.gatech.edu
 280 100%  273.44kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#1, to-check=3/7)
project/trace/ftp-master.debian.org
 104 100%   25.39kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#2, to-check=2/7)
project/trace/mirror.aarnet.edu.au
  29 100%3.54kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#3, to-check=1/7)
project/trace/syncproxy.wna.debian.org
 270 100%   26.37kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#4, to-check=0/7)

sent 240 bytes  received 1089 bytes  2658.00 bytes/sec
total size is 683  speedup is 0.51
Getting meta files ...
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/Release###
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/Release.gpg#
gpgv: Signature made Fri 11 Apr 2014 00:59:33 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/jessie/Release ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/jessie/Release.gpg #
gpgv: Signature made Fri 11 Apr 2014 00:59:22 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy/Release ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy/Release.gpg #
gpgv: Signature made Sat 08 Feb 2014 21:36:35 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
gpgv: Signature made Sat 08 Feb 2014 21:50:57 EST using RSA key ID 65FFB764
gpgv: Good signature from "Wheezy Stable Release Key
"
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-updates/Release ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-updates/Release.gpg #
gpgv: Signature made Fri 11 Apr 2014 00:58:51 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-backports/Release   ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-backports/Release.gpg   #
gpgv: Signature made Fri 11 Apr 2014 00:58:55 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/Index  #
[  0%] Getting:
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0248.07.gz  #
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0248.07.gz failed
sha1sum check, removing
[  0%] Getting:
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0848.45.gz  #
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0848.45.gz failed
sha1sum check, removing
[  0%] Getting:
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-1447.50.gz  #
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-1447.50.gz failed
sha1sum check, removing
[  0%] Getting:
dists/sid/mai

Re: debmirror balks on armhf, when adding armhf to i386,amd64 archive pool

2014-04-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 4/11/14, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> On 12/5/12, Bob Proulx  wrote:
>> Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>> When I try to add armhf to my local debmirror archive, I get these
>>> sorts of errors:
>>>
>>> dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2012-08-12-0215.28.gz
>>> failed sha1sum check, removing

> OK, I've now tried ftp.au.debian.org - same problem. Is there some
> specific other mirror I should try?

Sorry, I have tried both ftp.au.debian.org, and ftp.iinet.net.au,
although my email doesn't show it, I have been trying ftp.iinet.net.au
the last week, and changed it to ftp.au.debian.org just now.

$ ping ftp.iinet.net.au
PING ftp.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.32) 56(84) bytes of data.

$ ping ftp.au.debian.org
PING ftp.au.debian.org (218.100.43.30) 56(84) bytes of data.

So they seem to be different servers.

For reference, here's my iinet run:

nice /usr/bin/debmirror --diff=mirror --nocleanup
--rsync-extra=trace,doc,tools --ignore-release-gpg
--exclude='/Translation-.*\.bz2$'
--include='/Translation-(en).*\.bz2$'
--include='/Translation-en.*\.bz2$' --exclude-deb-section=debug
--exclude-deb-section=news --verbose --progress --arch=armhf
--section=main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free
--dist=sid,jessie,wheezy,wheezy-updates,wheezy-backports
--host=ftp.iinet.net.au --method=ftp --root=debian/debian
/public/debian/debian
Mirroring to /public/debian/debian from
ftp://anonym...@ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/
Arches: armhf
Dists: sid,jessie,wheezy,wheezy-updates,wheezy-backports
Sections: main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free
Including source.
Pdiff mode: mirror
Will NOT clean up.
Attempting to get lock ...
Updating remote trace files (using rsync) ...
iiNet Rsync Server

- Only have one rsync connection Per IP
- No more then two rsync updates of a package per day

Excessive connections may result in your IP being firewalled for 24 hours.


receiving file list ...
rsync: link_stat "/debian/." (in debian) failed: No such file or directory (2)
0 files to consider

sent 110 bytes  received 17 bytes  84.67 bytes/sec
total size is 0  speedup is 0.00
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous
errors) (code 23) at main.c(1536) [Receiver=3.0.9]
Warning: failed to use rsync to download extra files.
Getting meta files ...
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/Release###
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/Release.gpg#
gpgv: Signature made Thu 10 Apr 2014 18:59:45 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/jessie/Release ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/jessie/Release.gpg #
gpgv: Signature made Thu 10 Apr 2014 18:59:39 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy/Release ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy/Release.gpg #
gpgv: Signature made Sat 08 Feb 2014 21:36:35 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
gpgv: Signature made Sat 08 Feb 2014 21:50:57 EST using RSA key ID 65FFB764
gpgv: Good signature from "Wheezy Stable Release Key
"
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-updates/Release ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-updates/Release.gpg #
gpgv: Signature made Thu 10 Apr 2014 18:59:05 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-backports/Release   ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-backports/Release.gpg   #
gpgv: Signature made Thu 10 Apr 2014 18:59:06 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/Index  #
[  0%] Getting:
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-27-2045.39.gz  #
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-27-2045.39.gz failed
sha1sum check, removing
[  0%] Getting:
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0248.07.gz  #
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0248.07.gz failed
sha1sum check, removing


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Re: debmirror balks on armhf, when adding armhf to i386,amd64 archive pool

2014-04-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
I know this is a little old, but it is the same thread, I finally got
around to trying my next step, see below:

On 12/5/12, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> When I try to add armhf to my local debmirror archive, I get these
>> sorts of errors:
>>
>> dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2012-08-12-0215.28.gz
>> failed sha1sum check, removing
>
> I have at times seen those errors from broken mirrors.  Try a
> different mirror.
>
> All of the files are available.  I have previously tracked down those
> before by pulling the files manually with wget, generating the
> checksums, comparing them against, until verifying that the mirror was
> incorrect.  It isn't too difficult but is a little tedious.  If you
> are motivated you could track down the problem and report it to the
> debian-mirrors mailing list.  In the meantime choose a different
> mirror.

OK, I've now tried ftp.au.debian.org - same problem. Is there some
specific other mirror I should try?

>> Do I need to look into dak, or something else, or should debmirror be
>> able to cope with these 3 archs at the same time?
>
> I use debmirror with multiple architectures.  Works fine.  I am
> confident the problem is on the mirror side.  Although perhaps
> debmirror could handle broken mirrors better.
>
> Choose a different mirror.
>
>> I guess I should find a more specific list for debmirror questions...
>
> Other than submitting a bug or contacting the maintainer directly I
> don't think there is a better list.  But try a different mirror first.

For testing purposes, I use --nocleanup option to debmirror, and just
try to mirror armhf archive, which is much quicker than other ways I
had my mirror file set up.

Here is the (beginning of the) output including my debmirror command:

nice /usr/bin/debmirror --diff=mirror --nocleanup
--rsync-extra=trace,doc,tools --ignore-release-gpg
--exclude='/Translation-.*\.bz2$'
--include='/Translation-(en).*\.bz2$'
--include='/Translation-en.*\.bz2$' --exclude-deb-section=debug
--exclude-deb-section=news --verbose --progress --arch=armhf
--section=main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free
--dist=sid,jessie,wheezy,wheezy-updates,wheezy-backports
--host=ftp.au.debian.org --method=ftp --root=debian
/public/debian/debian
Mirroring to /public/debian/debian from
ftp://anonym...@ftp.au.debian.org/debian/
Arches: armhf
Dists: sid,jessie,wheezy,wheezy-updates,wheezy-backports
Sections: main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free
Including source.
Pdiff mode: mirror
Will NOT clean up.
Attempting to get lock ...
Updating remote trace files (using rsync) ...

Welcome to the Western Australian Internet Association rsync mirror.

Maximum connections permitted is 25.


receiving incremental file list
./
project/trace/ftp-master.debian.org
 104 100%   25.39kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#1, to-check=2/6)
project/trace/mirror.waia.asn.au
  93 100%1.78kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#2, to-check=1/6)
project/trace/syncproxy.wna.debian.org
 270 100%3.26kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#3, to-check=0/6)

sent 214 bytes  received 443 bytes  438.00 bytes/sec
total size is 467  speedup is 0.71
Getting meta files ...
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/Release###
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/Release.gpg#
gpgv: Signature made Fri 11 Apr 2014 00:59:33 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/jessie/Release ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/jessie/Release.gpg #
gpgv: Signature made Fri 11 Apr 2014 00:59:22 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy/Release ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy/Release.gpg #
gpgv: Signature made Sat 08 Feb 2014 21:36:35 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
gpgv: Signature made Sat 08 Feb 2014 21:50:57 EST using RSA key ID 65FFB764
gpgv: Good signature from "Wheezy Stable Release Key
"
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-updates/Release ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-updates/Release.gpg #
gpgv: Signature made Fri 11 Apr 2014 00:58:51 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-backports/Release   ##
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy-backports/Release.gpg   #
gpgv: Signature made Fri 11 Apr 2014 00:58:55 EST using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) "
[  0%] Getting:
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0248.07.gz  #
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0248.07.gz failed
sha1sum check, removing
[  0%] Getting:
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0848.45.gz  #
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-0848.45.gz failed
sha1sum check, removing
[  0%] Getting:
dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2014-03-28-1447.

Re: Ways to use DDNS with your own domain name (was Re: DynDNS no longer free.)

2014-04-10 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:19 PM, David Guntner  wrote:
> Presto!  Now when you try to access your home machine, you can simply
> refer to mydomain.org and it will point you to the correct place.

Er... mydomain.org, being a *.TLD, will most likely be a *paid*
domain, hence defeating the purpose (OP asked for a *free* (as in of
charge, i interpreted) solution).
If you're gonna pay, choose a registrar that allows you to modify
anything about your mydomain.org and supports dynamic DNS. There are a
few, joker.com for starters (12 $USD per year seems reasonable to me).
No need for DynDNS or similar then.

My 2¢

Nuno

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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Frank McCormick

On 10/04/14 04:56 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Frank McCormick wrote:


On 10/04/14 11:50 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Frank McCormick wrote:


Had a strange problem this morning for the second time recently:


root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer
required: python-gtksourceview2
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
The following packages have been kept back:
 eom-common mate-panel mate-panel-common
The following packages will be upgraded:
 base-passwd cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common
cups-core-drivers cups-daemon
 cups-ppdc cups-server-common dnsmasq-base geoip-database
libcups2 libcupscgi1
 libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 man-db pluma
pluma-common ruby 20 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and
3 not upgraded. Need to get 7,645 kB of archives.
After this operation, 4,731 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

Apt-get then did what it said it would upgrading everything except
mate-panel, mate-panel-commong and eom


This is the proper behavior for "upgrade."  To "upgrade" the
held-back files use "dist-upgrade" instead. The apt-get man explains
the difference between the two, and why it is done that way.


B





 As I told another poster here, dist-upgrade wanted to remove half
of Mate.


Dist-upgrade installs the NEWER version of a file(s) and its
dependencies, and removes the OLD version.  That is, v1.0 to v2.0.
Upgrade does v1.0 to v1.1 as well a security and bug fixes.  Check the
versions of what was going to be installed against what was initially
installed. Also, check the held-back files against what
dist-upgrade would have installed.  Any match up namewise?

I admit apt-get and aptitude can be a pain to use sometimes.  That's
why someone created Synaptic. ;-)


Synaptic was the only one that offered to replace the old
mate-applets file with the new one, Neither apt-get, nor aptitude in
any of my attempts mentioned anything about the applets file.


Did you try "upgrading" those old mate-applets specifically by name?
What were the version numbers of the old and new applets?  If they
differed by major version numbers, upgrade won't upgrade them.  That's
not what it does.

B




   Well I wasn't aware of them at the time.

But synaptic was. This is from the apt log.

Start-Date: 2014-04-10  11:00:36
Commandline: synaptic
Install: libmate-panel-applet-4-1:i386 (1.8.0+dfsg1-1, automatic)
Upgrade: mate-panel:i386 (1.6.0-2.1+8.jessie, 1.8.0+dfsg1-1), 
mate-panel-common:i386 (1.6.0-2.1+8.jessie, 1.8.0+dfsg1-1)

Remove: libmatepanelapplet:i386 (1.6.0-2.1+8.jessie)
End-Date: 2014-04-10  11:00:51

It may have been because of the difference in names...the new one
has -4-1 at the end...the old one is just called libmatepanelapplet.

But if synaptic knew about it...why didn't aptitude or apt-get ?

I ran aptitude with full-upgrade and apt-get with dist-upgrade,
but hit 'N' when they wanted to pull out half of Mate. So I don't have
a record of what they proposed as it was not logged.



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Re: OpenSSH Packages No Longer Suggest openssh-blacklist

2014-04-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-04-10 23:30 +0200, Alex Robbins wrote:

> I have been using Debian Testing (Jessie) and tried to upgrade today, and
> aptitude tried to remove openssh-blacklist and openssh-blacklist-extra
> as they
> were no longer used.  Upon further inspection, in...
>
> Debian Wheezy:
> openssh-client and openssh-server recommend openssh-blacklist and
> openssh-blacklist-extra
>
> Debian Jessie Recently (according to the packages on my system before
> the upgrade):
> openssh-client and openssh-server suggest openssh-blacklist and
> openssh-blacklist-extra
>
> Debian Jessie Currently:
> Neither openssh-client nor openssh-server depend on openssh-blacklist or
> openssh-blacklist-extra in any way
>
> I do not quite know which programs use the blacklist, but what is the
> reason for
> this change?  Shouldn't the client, the server, or both at least suggest
> openssh-blacklist?  I couldn't find anything about this in the changelogs.

It's this particular change:

,
| openssh (1:6.5p1-1) unstable; urgency=medium
| [...]
|   * Drop ssh-vulnkey and the associated ssh/ssh-add/sshd integration code,
| leaving only basic configuration file compatibility, since it has been
| nearly six years since the original vulnerability and this code is not
| likely to be of much value any more (closes: #481853, #570651).  See
| https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/09/msg00240.html for my full
| reasoning.
| [...]
|  -- Colin Watson   Mon, 10 Feb 2014 14:58:26 +
`

The removal of ssh-vulnkey means that the blacklist isn't used anymore.

Cheers,
   Sven


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OpenSSH Packages No Longer Suggest openssh-blacklist

2014-04-10 Thread Alex Robbins

I have been using Debian Testing (Jessie) and tried to upgrade today, and
aptitude tried to remove openssh-blacklist and openssh-blacklist-extra 
as they

were no longer used.  Upon further inspection, in...

Debian Wheezy:
openssh-client and openssh-server recommend openssh-blacklist and
openssh-blacklist-extra

Debian Jessie Recently (according to the packages on my system before 
the upgrade):

openssh-client and openssh-server suggest openssh-blacklist and
openssh-blacklist-extra

Debian Jessie Currently:
Neither openssh-client nor openssh-server depend on openssh-blacklist or
openssh-blacklist-extra in any way

I do not quite know which programs use the blacklist, but what is the 
reason for

this change?  Shouldn't the client, the server, or both at least suggest
openssh-blacklist?  I couldn't find anything about this in the changelogs.

Thanks,
Alex Robbins


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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Frank McCormick wrote:

> On 10/04/14 11:50 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Frank McCormick wrote:
> >
> >> Had a strange problem this morning for the second time recently:
> >>
> >>
> >> root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get upgrade
> >> Reading package lists... Done
> >> Building dependency tree
> >> Reading state information... Done
> >> Calculating upgrade... Done
> >> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer
> >> required: python-gtksourceview2
> >> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
> >> The following packages have been kept back:
> >> eom-common mate-panel mate-panel-common
> >> The following packages will be upgraded:
> >> base-passwd cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common
> >> cups-core-drivers cups-daemon
> >> cups-ppdc cups-server-common dnsmasq-base geoip-database
> >> libcups2 libcupscgi1
> >> libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 man-db pluma
> >> pluma-common ruby 20 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and
> >> 3 not upgraded. Need to get 7,645 kB of archives.
> >> After this operation, 4,731 kB disk space will be freed.
> >> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> >>
> >> Apt-get then did what it said it would upgrading everything except
> >> mate-panel, mate-panel-commong and eom
> >
> > This is the proper behavior for "upgrade."  To "upgrade" the
> > held-back files use "dist-upgrade" instead. The apt-get man explains
> > the difference between the two, and why it is done that way.
> >
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> 
> 
> As I told another poster here, dist-upgrade wanted to remove half
> of Mate.

Dist-upgrade installs the NEWER version of a file(s) and its
dependencies, and removes the OLD version.  That is, v1.0 to v2.0.
Upgrade does v1.0 to v1.1 as well a security and bug fixes.  Check the
versions of what was going to be installed against what was initially
installed. Also, check the held-back files against what
dist-upgrade would have installed.  Any match up namewise?

I admit apt-get and aptitude can be a pain to use sometimes.  That's
why someone created Synaptic. ;-)

> Synaptic was the only one that offered to replace the old
> mate-applets file with the new one, Neither apt-get, nor aptitude in
> any of my attempts mdentioned anything about the applets file.

Did you try "upgrading" those old mate-applets specifically by name?
What were the version numbers of the old and new applets?  If they
differed by major version numbers, upgrade won't upgrade them.  That's
not what it does.

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Re: No Sound

2014-04-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 10 April 2014 19:44:52 pch0317 wrote:
> Type alsamixer in terminal; select sound card by F6 and press F5 to
> see if some indicator have MM (mute).
>
> On 04/10/2014 07:54 PM, Thomas H. George wrote:
> > Yesterday everything worked.  Then I used Audacity to capture
> > stream from tape deck.  Now everyting seems to work, view meters
> > show output but no sound from speakers.  I can't find where the
> > signal is being misdirected.

Is this on a laptop?  If so, have you accidentally switched the 
hardware sound switch off?

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Re: Cropping a large collection of .PNG screenshots

2014-04-10 Thread Ric Moore

On 04/09/2014 10:09 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 03:03:14AM -0700, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

I have a few hundred screen shots I want to put on a web page, but
they are all full-screen and I want to crop to the real contents.
This is an identical region in all cases.  So I want to script it.

So, 2 questions:
A) What's the best tool for the job?  Gimp, irfanview, or something else?
B) Is there a script already in existence where I can just change the
crop rectangle?  I really don't want to learn a new language for a
one-time job.

*IF* you are into perl, then consider perlmagick.
There are examples under the /usr/share/doc/perlmagick/examples/demo/
directory, e.g.



He might consider using "Simple Image Reducer" which is in the repos. 
You don't have to kill a chicken (ala Computer Voodoo) to use it. I use 
it on collections of photos to get them all to a smaller and even aspect 
ratio for use on our webpages. I just click and import all of the images 
I want, to select and set them all to one size. Seconds later, they are 
all done and MUCH smaller in file size. Perfect for webpage use. I'm an 
idiot and it "just works for me". :) Ric


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Re: No Sound

2014-04-10 Thread pch0317
Type alsamixer in terminal; select sound card by F6 and press F5 to see 
if some indicator have MM (mute).


On 04/10/2014 07:54 PM, Thomas H. George wrote:

Yesterday everything worked.  Then I used Audacity to capture stream
from tape deck.  Now everyting seems to work, view meters show output
but no sound from speakers.  I can't find where the signal is being
misdirected.





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Re: Where's tkmixer?

2014-04-10 Thread pch0317

I don't use tk but it is here https://packages.debian.org/sid/sound/tkmixer

On 04/10/2014 07:41 PM, R. Clayton wrote:

I'm running

   $ uname -a
   Linux UlanBator 3.10-2-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.10.5-1 (2013-08-07) i686 
GNU/Linux

   $ cat /etc/debian_version
   jessie/sid

   $

updated weekly, and I finally got around to noticing that tkmixer has
disappeared:

   $ sudo apt-get update
   Get:1 http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu testing InRelease [166 kB]
   [ blah blah blah ]
   Reading package lists... Done

   $ whereis tkmixer
   tkmixer:

   $ dpkg -l tkmixer
   dpkg-query: no packages found matching tkmixer

   $ apt-cache search tkmixer

   $

This apparently happened during the 2014 March 23 update, which did, among
other things

   The following packages will be REMOVED:
 tcl8.4 tk8.4 tkmixer
   The following NEW packages will be installed:
 libtcl8.5 libtcl8.6 libtk8.5 libtk8.6 tcl8.6 tk8.6

and didn't re-install tkmixer, which is, as they say, a bummer.

Where is the tkmixer .deb?  Failing that, where is the tkmixer source?  The
tkmixer sourceforge project ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/tkmixer ) has
zero files.




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No Sound

2014-04-10 Thread Thomas H. George
Yesterday everything worked.  Then I used Audacity to capture stream
from tape deck.  Now everyting seems to work, view meters show output
but no sound from speakers.  I can't find where the signal is being
misdirected.


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Where's tkmixer?

2014-04-10 Thread R. Clayton
I'm running

  $ uname -a
  Linux UlanBator 3.10-2-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.10.5-1 (2013-08-07) i686 
GNU/Linux

  $ cat /etc/debian_version 
  jessie/sid

  $ 

updated weekly, and I finally got around to noticing that tkmixer has
disappeared:

  $ sudo apt-get update
  Get:1 http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu testing InRelease [166 kB]
  [ blah blah blah ]
  Reading package lists... Done

  $ whereis tkmixer
  tkmixer:

  $ dpkg -l tkmixer
  dpkg-query: no packages found matching tkmixer

  $ apt-cache search tkmixer

  $ 

This apparently happened during the 2014 March 23 update, which did, among
other things

  The following packages will be REMOVED:
tcl8.4 tk8.4 tkmixer
  The following NEW packages will be installed:
libtcl8.5 libtcl8.6 libtk8.5 libtk8.6 tcl8.6 tk8.6

and didn't re-install tkmixer, which is, as they say, a bummer.

Where is the tkmixer .deb?  Failing that, where is the tkmixer source?  The
tkmixer sourceforge project ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/tkmixer ) has
zero files.

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Re: dpkg -i first.dep second.dep: installs but does not configure one?

2014-04-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-04-10 17:02 +0200, Steffen Dettmer wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
>> > Le 03.04.2014 11:46, Steffen Dettmer a écrit :
>> > > $ dpkg -i first.dep second.dep
>> > >
>> > > pre-dependency problem:
>> > >  nd-second pre-depends on nd-first
>> > >   nd-first is unpacked, but has never been configured.
>>
>> dpkg is smart enough to figure out the order in which
>> packages need to be configured.
>
> Isn't it a bug then, that if dpkg is even smart enough to figure
> out the configuration order, but is not smart enough to figure
> out the order in which packages need to be unpacked?

Possibly.  Note that dpkg's philosophy is pretty much to "do as I say",
and reordering during unpacking may change the outcome, if multiple
versions of the same package are given on the commandline.  For the case
of Pre-Depends it would not even help.

>> Rather the problem is that both packages are _unpacked_ before
>> the first one is configured, and this is where the
>> pre-dependency is not fulfilled.
>>
>> > Other that that, why are you using pre-depends and not depends? That
>> > would fix the problem.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> I still unsure if I found the right answer, but I think the
> reason for Pre-Depends is, that one package "debian/preinst"
> script depends on another package being installed. The preinst
> script creates a partion and a file system which might be
> needed to install/unpack further packages on; for the creation, it
> needs configured contents from the package it pre-depends on.
>
> The idea was to have a package that provides this file system and
> other packages that need it can depend on it. These further
> packages should be able to unpack directly on this filesystem.

That's a somewhat weird usecase, I would rather not use packages to
create filesystems.  But you are of course free to do that.

> In in short, before unpacking further.deb, filesystem.deb has not
> only to be unpackaged but full installed (configured).

So the Pre-Depends is actually necessary, it seems.

> What would be the right way to do this?

If you cannot use apt, I don't know.  Maybe you could set up a local
repository with dpkg-scanpackages and use dselect's "mounted" access
method.

> Is this a bug in dpkg?

I don't think so.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: mandb

2014-04-10 Thread Brian
On Thu 10 Apr 2014 at 09:22:10 -0700, Mike McClain wrote:

> What are the advantages of mandb?

>From mandb(8):

  mandb  is  used to initialise or manually update index database
  caches that are usually maintained by man.  The caches contain
  information relevant to the current state of the manual page system
  and the  information  stored within them is used by the man-db
  utilities to enhance their speed and functionality.

  When  creating  or updating an index, mandb will warn of bad ROFF
  .so requests, bogus manual page filenames and manual pages from
  which the whatis cannot be parsed.

  Supplying mandb with an optional colon-delimited path will override
  the internal system manual  page  hierarchy search path, determined
  from information found within the man-db configuration file.


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Re: /var/cache/man/...

2014-04-10 Thread Brian
On Thu 10 Apr 2014 at 09:15:33 -0700, Mike McClain wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:14:39AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > On 10/04/14 01:44, Mike McClain wrote:
> 
> > > Nothing in /etc/cron/* says anything about recreating them. I assume
> > > mandb did it but can't tell what initiated the recreation of all
> > > these directories. Nor can I see any need, I don't imagine very many
> > > people speak all of those 23 languages. What is the purpose of having
> > > all of them installed?
> >
> > Um, didn't *you* install them?
> > Wouldn't that make it a rhetorical question?
> > :)
> 
> I installed the whole system so in that manner you are correct but I
> did not ask for all those other languages.

/etc/cron.daily/man-db
 
> If you know of a way to tell mandb not to recreate these unnecessary
> directories I'd like to know about it.

/etc/cron.daily/man-db

But after reading

   http://www.fifi.org/doc/debian-policy/fhs/fhs.html/fhs-5.2.2.html


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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Frank McCormick

On 10/04/14 12:07 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Thursday 10 April 2014 16:17:21 Robin wrote:

Synaptic, I think, defaults to Smart Upgrade, the equivalent is
apt-get  dist-upgrade.
Man apt-get for the full details


You probably ran
# aptitude upgrade
too.  That doesn't remove anything.
# aptitude full-upgrade
would have accomplished what you wanted.

Lisi




  no, aptitude  full-upgrade wanted to remove half of Mate.The sticking 
point was the new applets file which only synaptic offered to upgrade.




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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Frank McCormick

On 10/04/14 11:50 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Frank McCormick wrote:


Had a strange problem this morning for the second time recently:


root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer
required: python-gtksourceview2
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
The following packages have been kept back:
eom-common mate-panel mate-panel-common
The following packages will be upgraded:
base-passwd cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common
cups-core-drivers cups-daemon
cups-ppdc cups-server-common dnsmasq-base geoip-database libcups2
libcupscgi1
libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 man-db pluma pluma-common
ruby 20 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
Need to get 7,645 kB of archives.
After this operation, 4,731 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

Apt-get then did what it said it would upgrading everything except
mate-panel, mate-panel-commong and eom


This is the proper behavior for "upgrade."  To "upgrade" the
held-back files use "dist-upgrade" instead. The apt-get man explains
the difference between the two, and why it is done that way.


B





   As I told another poster here, dist-upgrade wanted to remove half of
Mate.
Synaptic was the only one that offered to replace the old mate-applets 
file with the new one, Neither apt-get, nor aptitude in any of my

attempts mdentioned anything about the applets file.



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Re: Ways to use DDNS with your own domain name (was Re: DynDNS no longer free.)

2014-04-10 Thread David Guntner
Chris Angelico grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:19 AM, David Guntner  wrote:
>> what you want to do is
>> create a CNAME record for the domain - set a CNAME of mydomain.org that
>> points to myhostname.someddns.com.
>>
>> Presto!  Now when you try to access your home machine, you can simply
>> refer to mydomain.org and it will point you to the correct place.  You
>> can also set up CNAME records for subdomains (whatever.mydomain.org) to
>> point to your DDNS hostname as well.
> 
> List newbie chiming in here, hope I'm not out of line!
> 
> CNAMEs are immensely helpful, but they do have their limitations, so
> be careful. You can't, for instance, have a CNAME on mydomain.org and
> then also have an MX record on mydomain.org - so you'll have trouble
> receiving mail (unless DDNS lets you set an MX on
> myhostname.someddns.com, which I'm not sure about). You also can't
> have an SOA record, or any other type of record, on something that's
> CNAMEd elsewhere. Also, pointing a CNAME at another CNAME, while
> technically legal (I think), is potentially problematic - you may
> start seeing glitchiness with some clients, timeouts, etc.

Good points.  Within this particular context, I'm not sure that a SOA
record is that important, but it's worth noting.

You're right about the MX record.  By standards, a MX record should
always point to an A record and not a CNAME.  In practice, I'm not sure
it actually has an affect on anything.  I'm pretty sure, however, that
if pointing the MX to the CNAME doesn't work (or is problematic), you
can always point the MX to myhostname.someddns.com (which *is* an A
record) and your mail for the domain will still go there.  It's been so
long since I've had to do this that I can't remember if I did that or
just ignored the standard and pointed the MX at the CNAME anyway. :-)
But I do know that I had no problems getting mail sent to my domain and
Postfix handling it on the local Linux box.

> But as long as your needs are simple, that method will work very
> nicely. Among other benefits, you're free to move where your actual
> DDNS is hosted without anything changing - if you lose
> myhostname.someddns.com and replace it with
> myhostname.someotherddns.com, the only change you need to make is to
> your CNAME - everything that accesses mydomain.org will still work
> fine.
> 
> I strongly recommend the practice. But do make sure you understand
> what you're doing.
>
> ChrisA

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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Frank McCormick

On 10/04/14 11:17 AM, Robin wrote:

On 10 April 2014 16:07, Frank McCormick  wrote:

Had a strange problem this morning for the second time recently:


root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
   python-gtksourceview2
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
The following packages have been kept back:
   eom-common mate-panel mate-panel-common
The following packages will be upgraded:
   base-passwd cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common cups-core-drivers
cups-daemon
   cups-ppdc cups-server-common dnsmasq-base geoip-database libcups2
libcupscgi1
   libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 man-db pluma pluma-common ruby
20 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
Need to get 7,645 kB of archives.
After this operation, 4,731 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

Apt-get then did what it said it would upgrading everything except
mate-panel, mate-panel-commong and eom

Then I ran synaptic...and it removed an old version of mate-panel-applets
and replaced it with the newer version. It then upgraded
mate-panel and mate-panel-common.

Why was synaptic able to figure out what was needed (the newer version of
mate-panel-applets) and neither apt-get nor aptitude could figure it
out ?

This is the second time recently that synaptic was able to accomplish what
apt-get and aptitude couldn't.



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Synaptic, I think, defaults to Smart Upgrade, the equivalent is
apt-get  dist-upgrade.
Man apt-get for the full details




Both apt-get dist-upgrade..and aptitude full-upgrade wanted to 
remove half of MATE before they'd do anything!




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Re: Ways to use DDNS with your own domain name (was Re: DynDNS no longer free.)

2014-04-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:19 AM, David Guntner  wrote:
> what you want to do is
> create a CNAME record for the domain - set a CNAME of mydomain.org that
> points to myhostname.someddns.com.
>
> Presto!  Now when you try to access your home machine, you can simply
> refer to mydomain.org and it will point you to the correct place.  You
> can also set up CNAME records for subdomains (whatever.mydomain.org) to
> point to your DDNS hostname as well.

List newbie chiming in here, hope I'm not out of line!

CNAMEs are immensely helpful, but they do have their limitations, so
be careful. You can't, for instance, have a CNAME on mydomain.org and
then also have an MX record on mydomain.org - so you'll have trouble
receiving mail (unless DDNS lets you set an MX on
myhostname.someddns.com, which I'm not sure about). You also can't
have an SOA record, or any other type of record, on something that's
CNAMEd elsewhere. Also, pointing a CNAME at another CNAME, while
technically legal (I think), is potentially problematic - you may
start seeing glitchiness with some clients, timeouts, etc.

But as long as your needs are simple, that method will work very
nicely. Among other benefits, you're free to move where your actual
DDNS is hosted without anything changing - if you lose
myhostname.someddns.com and replace it with
myhostname.someotherddns.com, the only change you need to make is to
your CNAME - everything that accesses mydomain.org will still work
fine.

I strongly recommend the practice. But do make sure you understand
what you're doing.

ChrisA


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Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle

2014-04-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
abdelkader belahcene writes:
 > Sorry, may be my question is not clear,
 > 
 > I mean :  what will be happen if oracle decides to close the software ???

We will use OpenJDK. 
 
 > same reason for what  libreoffice ( instead of openoffice ) and Mariadb (
 > instead of mysql) are  created !!!
 > am I wrong??
 > 
 > 
 > is it not same pb?

Yep, with the same solution. AFAIK there are a set of specifications that
everybody can follow to build a JVM.

The Free Software world could even drop explicit compatibility.

But it's unlikely. Closing Java more than it's closed now would mean
KILL the technology. Java has all this hype thanks to Free Software
(Apache Software Foundation in primis).

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mandb

2014-04-10 Thread Mike McClain
What are the advantages of mandb?
Thanks,
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Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle

2014-04-10 Thread abdelkader belahcene
Sorry, may be my question is not clear,

I mean :  what will be happen if oracle decides to close the software ???

same reason for what  libreoffice ( instead of openoffice ) and Mariadb (
instead of mysql) are  created !!!
am I wrong??


is it not same pb?

best regards





On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri  wrote:

> shawn wilson writes:
>
>  > The problems with java come from allowing untrusted compiled code to
>  > run natively on your machine (WebStart).
>
> I think that this problem arises with EVERY and EACH programming
> language.
>
> You trust Debian software packages because you trust Debian, not because
> of the programming language they are written in.
>
>  > Web services, databases,
>
> A web  service running in  a language  that is vulnerable  to exploits
> leveraging  malfunction of  the code  handling the  service (i.e.  not
> runnning in a virtual machine like JVM or CLR) are dangerous indeed.
>
> Database access done in a sloppy way may be dangerous.
>
>  > Android apps, etc don't have this issue.
>
> For  Android is  false, there  are  known episodes  of malicious  apps
> slipping in the app markets.
>
>  > (and I like scripting languages better anyway).
>
> And maybe you use eval() type functions. A door that must be carefully
> secured aganst potentially hostile code.
>
> You say taht you don't like  Java culture, and this is the only thing
> that holds, since what you like or dislike are something you and only
> you can and is entitled to choose.
>
> As for myself, Java has something I like and other things I don't.
>
> As for any language.
>
> --
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> /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_   African word
>   //--\| | \|  |   Integralista GNUslamicomeaning "I can
> \/ coltivatore diretto di software   not install
>  già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian"
>
> Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO
>


Re: /var/cache/man/...

2014-04-10 Thread Mike McClain
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:14:39AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 10/04/14 01:44, Mike McClain wrote:
> > The other day I noticed my computer clutteres up with many
> > directories in /var/cache/man/ for languages I don't speak so I
> > deleted them.
>
> That was a mistake. You're new to this "sysadmin" stuff right? ;)

Yeah, I've only been maintaining my own *nix system for 16 years.

> > Today they're back but I can't tell how they got there.
>
> That's good, it means your "delete what I don't like or understand"
> didn't create a huge problem.

I've never created such a problem that I had to re-install, anything
else is not a 'huge' problem.
>From your response I suspect you don't know what triggers the
re-creation of those unneeded directories.

> > Nothing in /etc/cron/* says anything about recreating them. I assume
> > mandb did it but can't tell what initiated the recreation of all
> > these directories. Nor can I see any need, I don't imagine very many
> > people speak all of those 23 languages. What is the purpose of having
> > all of them installed?
>
> Um, didn't *you* install them?
> Wouldn't that make it a rhetorical question?
> :)

I installed the whole system so in that manner you are correct but I
did not ask for all those other languages.

> The answer of course is that most people use characters and words from a
> number of languages. Those extra man pages don't take up a lot of space.

The fact that I like enchiladas doesn't mean I need spanish man pages.

> You have several options:-
> ;don't install all languages to start with (be selective during installs
> - don't install i18n packages if you don't want internationalization)

I didn't, the only packages installed that mention 'i18n' are:
debconf-i18n  1.5.49
libtext-wrapi18n-perl 0.06-7
and I certainly didn't ask that debconf be international.

> ;don't install man

Get real.

> ;install localpurge, select only the locales you are interested in, use
> it to purge other locales

Installed it years ago.

> > Is there a config file I can edit to limit which directories are
> > created?
>
> locales does that. Install localepurge to limit the locales supported by
> installed packages.

Not in this case.

/etc/locale.nopurge containsen en_US.UTF-8
/etc/locale.gen containsen_US.UTF-8 UTF-8

localepurge is triggered by dpkg, has no cron job and makes no mention
of /var/cache/ in it's documentation.

Since you brought it up I ran localepurge from the CL where it
mentions that it looks for /var/cache/localepurge/localelist which I
edited removing all but en_US*.

I ran localepurge again but it still doesn't touch 
/var/cache/man/{cs,da,es,fr,...

If you know of a way to tell mandb not to recreate these unnecessary
directories I'd like to know about it.

Thanks,
Mike
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Ways to use DDNS with your own domain name (was Re: DynDNS no longer free.)

2014-04-10 Thread David Guntner
Rick Macdonald grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> [...]
> I only looked at a couple before deciding to use the free service from
> ASUS that is included with the router, so I don't know which of the
> above are actually free. The domain name is not pretty:
> [yourhostname].asuscomm.com, but that doesn't bother me for my usage.
> The biggest problem is that if I ever switch to another brand of modem,
> I have to suffer another change in service and domain name.

There *is* a clever (?) hack, of sorts, that can let you still use your
own registered domain with one of these other services that just give
you somehostname.them.com for free.  I used this trick for years before
I signed up with DynDNS to use my domain name to point to my Linux box
at home.  (I'm on a grandfathered plan with them, so I've got a free
domain name DDNS with them for life, but this trick should still work.)

The trick depends largely on how much control your registrar gives you
with your DNS records.  The registrar I use lets me edit all records
associated with the domain.

Here's the example names:

mydomain.org
myhostname.someddns.com

The first is my domain name, and the second is the name being used by
the DDNS service.  This should be obvious, but I wanted to be complete. :-)

So, you set up myhostname.someddns.com and get your updater program
running to keep your IP address information current with them.  Now, go
to the registrar for your domain name.  See if they allow you to modify
the DNS record for it (I would think that most of them do, but I have no
way to know for sure).  Assuming that they do, what you want to do is
create a CNAME record for the domain - set a CNAME of mydomain.org that
points to myhostname.someddns.com.

Presto!  Now when you try to access your home machine, you can simply
refer to mydomain.org and it will point you to the correct place.  You
can also set up CNAME records for subdomains (whatever.mydomain.org) to
point to your DDNS hostname as well.

I never had any problems with SSH, Apache running on my machine, etc.,
while doing this (regardless of what the DDNS service was calling it, my
machine always internally identified itself by my domain name, so names
matched up).

I'm sorry if this is already well-known.  I hadn't seen it mentioned, so
I figured I'd bring it up.

HTH.

 --Dave




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Re: dpkg -i first.dep second.dep: installs but does not configure one?

2014-04-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
> > > Le 03.04.2014 11:46, Steffen Dettmer a écrit :
> > > > $ dpkg -i first.dep second.dep
> > > >
> > > > pre-dependency problem:
> > > >  nd-second pre-depends on nd-first
> > > >   nd-first is unpacked, but has never been configured.
> >
[snip]
On Thursday 10 April 2014 16:02:17 Steffen Dettmer wrote: 
> What would be the right way to do this?

I would manually install the package and dependencies, one by one in 
the required order.  There are only three of them.  I don't know 
whether that is the "right" way.

Lisi


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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 10 April 2014 16:17:21 Robin wrote:
> Synaptic, I think, defaults to Smart Upgrade, the equivalent is
> apt-get  dist-upgrade.
> Man apt-get for the full details

You probably ran 
# aptitude upgrade 
too.  That doesn't remove anything.  
# aptitude full-upgrade 
would have accomplished what you wanted.

Lisi


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Re: DynDNS no longer free.

2014-04-10 Thread Rick Macdonald

On 08/04/14 02:51 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
DynDNS just announced that their free hostname program in 30 days will 
no longer be gratis.

I use that with ddclient to update the IP address for my blog.
Are there other free alternatives?


Some routers have built-in support for DDNS, so you don't even have to 
run ddclient or similar. My ASUS router lists these under 
AdvancedSettings->WAN->DDNS:


www.asus.com
www.dyndsn.org
www.tzo.com
www.zonedit.com
www.dnsomatic.com
www.tunnelbroker.net
www.no-ip.com

I only looked at a couple before deciding to use the free service from 
ASUS that is included with the router, so I don't know which of the 
above are actually free. The domain name is not pretty: 
[yourhostname].asuscomm.com, but that doesn't bother me for my usage. 
The biggest problem is that if I ever switch to another brand of modem, 
I have to suffer another change in service and domain name.


Rick


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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Frank McCormick wrote:

> Had a strange problem this morning for the second time recently:
> 
> 
> root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Calculating upgrade... Done
> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer
> required: python-gtksourceview2
> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
> The following packages have been kept back:
>eom-common mate-panel mate-panel-common
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>base-passwd cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common
> cups-core-drivers cups-daemon
>cups-ppdc cups-server-common dnsmasq-base geoip-database libcups2 
> libcupscgi1
>libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 man-db pluma pluma-common
> ruby 20 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
> Need to get 7,645 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 4,731 kB disk space will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> 
> Apt-get then did what it said it would upgrading everything except
> mate-panel, mate-panel-commong and eom

This is the proper behavior for "upgrade."  To "upgrade" the
held-back files use "dist-upgrade" instead. The apt-get man explains
the difference between the two, and why it is done that way.


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 10 April 2014 16:18:58 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Thursday 10 April 2014 14:57:37 Florian Ernst wrote:
> > Try a wider window, or simply "COLUMNS=200 dpkg-query -l
> > openssl", or use "apt-cache policy openssl".
>
> I'm glad that you are not partially sighted.  Lucky you.

Sorry, everyone. :-(  If I was going to be angry I should have done it 
off list.

Lisi


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 10 April 2014 14:57:37 Florian Ernst wrote:
> apt-cache policy openssl

lisi@Tux-II:~$ apt-cache policy openssl
openssl:
  Installed: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6
  Candidate: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6
  Version table:
 *** 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 0
500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main amd64 
Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 0
500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 
Packages
lisi@Tux-II:~$

It (openSSL) is now OK.

Lisi


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 10 April 2014 14:57:37 Florian Ernst wrote:
> Try a wider window, or simply "COLUMNS=200 dpkg-query -l openssl",
> or use "apt-cache policy openssl".

I'm glad that you are not partially sighted.  Lucky you.

Lisi


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Re: apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Robin
On 10 April 2014 16:07, Frank McCormick  wrote:
> Had a strange problem this morning for the second time recently:
>
>
> root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Calculating upgrade... Done
> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
>   python-gtksourceview2
> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
> The following packages have been kept back:
>   eom-common mate-panel mate-panel-common
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   base-passwd cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common cups-core-drivers
> cups-daemon
>   cups-ppdc cups-server-common dnsmasq-base geoip-database libcups2
> libcupscgi1
>   libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 man-db pluma pluma-common ruby
> 20 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
> Need to get 7,645 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 4,731 kB disk space will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
>
> Apt-get then did what it said it would upgrading everything except
> mate-panel, mate-panel-commong and eom
>
> Then I ran synaptic...and it removed an old version of mate-panel-applets
> and replaced it with the newer version. It then upgraded
> mate-panel and mate-panel-common.
>
> Why was synaptic able to figure out what was needed (the newer version of
> mate-panel-applets) and neither apt-get nor aptitude could figure it
> out ?
>
> This is the second time recently that synaptic was able to accomplish what
> apt-get and aptitude couldn't.
>
>
>
> --
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> and that puts them in the position to lobby for policies
> to make them even richer.
> - former Clinton advisor Larry Summers
>
>


Synaptic, I think, defaults to Smart Upgrade, the equivalent is
apt-get  dist-upgrade.
Man apt-get for the full details
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apt-get doesn't upgrade, but synaptic does

2014-04-10 Thread Frank McCormick

Had a strange problem this morning for the second time recently:


root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
  python-gtksourceview2
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
The following packages have been kept back:
  eom-common mate-panel mate-panel-common
The following packages will be upgraded:
  base-passwd cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common cups-core-drivers 
cups-daemon
  cups-ppdc cups-server-common dnsmasq-base geoip-database libcups2 
libcupscgi1

  libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 man-db pluma pluma-common ruby
20 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
Need to get 7,645 kB of archives.
After this operation, 4,731 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

Apt-get then did what it said it would upgrading everything except
mate-panel, mate-panel-commong and eom

Then I ran synaptic...and it removed an old version of 
mate-panel-applets and replaced it with the newer version. It then upgraded

mate-panel and mate-panel-common.

Why was synaptic able to figure out what was needed (the newer version 
of mate-panel-applets) and neither apt-get nor aptitude could figure it

out ?

This is the second time recently that synaptic was able to accomplish 
what apt-get and aptitude couldn't.




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Re: dpkg -i first.dep second.dep: installs but does not configure one?

2014-04-10 Thread Steffen Dettmer
Hi,

thanks for your fast replies and nice answers!

It turned out that it is a bit more complicated, so it took me
some time to ask around here, sorry for the delay, I hope you
still remember the context:

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> > Le 03.04.2014 11:46, Steffen Dettmer a écrit :
> > > $ dpkg -i first.dep second.dep
> > >
> > > pre-dependency problem:
> > >  nd-second pre-depends on nd-first
> > >   nd-first is unpacked, but has never been configured.
>
> dpkg is smart enough to figure out the order in which
> packages need to be configured.

Isn't it a bug then, that if dpkg is even smart enough to figure
out the configuration order, but is not smart enough to figure
out the order in which packages need to be unpacked?

> Rather the problem is that both packages are _unpacked_ before
> the first one is configured, and this is where the
> pre-dependency is not fulfilled.
>
> > Other that that, why are you using pre-depends and not depends? That
> > would fix the problem.
>
> Indeed.

I still unsure if I found the right answer, but I think the
reason for Pre-Depends is, that one package "debian/preinst"
script depends on another package being installed. The preinst
script creates a partion and a file system which might be
needed to install/unpack further packages on; for the creation, it
needs configured contents from the package it pre-depends on.

The idea was to have a package that provides this file system and
other packages that need it can depend on it. These further
packages should be able to unpack directly on this filesystem.

In in short, before unpacking further.deb, filesystem.deb has not
only to be unpackaged but full installed (configured).

What would be the right way to do this?

Is this a bug in dpkg?

Regards,
Steffen


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S-Video on ThinkPad T42 with Debian Jessie - can't get above 800x600

2014-04-10 Thread Chris Angelico
Hi!

I've just converted a laptop from Windows XP to Debian Jessie, with
the expectation that I'd be able to do everything at least as well as
before. That's been mostly true, but I'm stuck on a problem with the
S-Video output: whatever I do, the TV shows only 800x600. I can force
the S-Video output to a higher resolution thus:

rosuav@yosemite:~$ cvt 1024 768 60
# 1024x768 59.92 Hz (CVT 0.79M3) hsync: 47.82 kHz; pclk: 63.50 MHz
Modeline "1024x768_60.00"   63.50  1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775
798 -hsync +vsync
rosuav@yosemite:~$ xrandr --newmode "1024x768_60.00"   63.50  1024
1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync
rosuav@yosemite:~$ xrandr --addmode S-video 1024x768_60.00
rosuav@yosemite:~$ xrandr --output S-video --mode 1024x768_60.00

but the TV shows only the top-left 800x600 of the desktop (which is
happily running in 1024x768 for the internal LCD).

Google brought me to threads like
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/08/msg00050.html and Wiki
pages like http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ATI_Mobility_Radeon_7500
which were of some help, but they got me as far as the above problem
:)

Relevant sections of various command outputs:

rosuav@yosemite:~$ lspci -vvnn
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] RV200/M7 [Mobility Radeon 7500] [1002:4c57] (prog-if 00 [VGA
controller])
Subsystem: IBM ThinkPad T42 2373-4WU [1014:0530]
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
ParErr- Stepping+ SERR+ FastB2B+ DisINTx-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>TAbort- SERR- https://lists.debian.org/captjjmpcwx2fz75edkv_gwqr6uocmqagscqdxzfubhtmdxc...@mail.gmail.com



Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 03:54:38PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:18:00AM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote:
> > I don't believe that Wheezy was vulnerable to Heartbleed. It was only the
> > 1.0.1f (committed 31 Dec 2011) that incorporated the vulnerable heartbeat
> > feature. My wheezy box has 1.0.1e:
> > [...]
> > So you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
> 
> This is not accurate, OpenSSL 1.0.1 through 1.0.1f (inclusive) are
> vulnerable. Please see
> https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2896

Which says:

For the stable distribution (wheezy), this problem has been
fixed in version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5.

and then later this was upgraded to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6.

Looking at the 1.0.1e is not sufficient.

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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Brad Alexander
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Florian Ernst wrote:

>
> This is not accurate, OpenSSL 1.0.1 through 1.0.1f (inclusive) are
> vulnerable. Please see
> https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2896
> as well as
> http://heartbleed.com/
>

Thanks Flo,

That's one of the problems with stories like this is that there is a lot of
misinformation out there. I started reading on Bruce Schneier's site, and
bounced off several sites from there. I guess I either read wrong or hit
some misinformation.

Also, with the extensive list of apps that need to be restarted, unless you
have an overriding reason not to, I would recommend that you reboot instead
of trying to cherry pick apps to restart. (The "nuke it from orbit. It's
the only way to be sure." approach. :) ) Debian did a good job of finding
most of the apps that depend on openssl, but I know they missed at least
one, puppet.

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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread andre

On 2014-04-10 15:49, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Thursday 10 April 2014 14:18:00 Brad Alexander wrote:

I don't believe that Wheezy was vulnerable to Heartbleed. It was
only the 1.0.1f (committed 31 Dec 2011) that incorporated the
vulnerable heartbeat feature. My wheezy box has 1.0.1e:

ii  libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6
i386 SSL shared libraries
ii  openssl  1.0.1e-2+deb7u6
i386 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related
cryptographic tools


I have:

lisi@Tux-II:~$ dpkg-query -l openssl
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name Version   Architecture  Description
+++--=-=-===
ii  openssl  1.0.1e-2+deb7 amd64 Secure Socket Layer
(SSL) binar
lisi@Tux-II:~$

No u-anything.  I take it that that is still alright since it is
anyway Wheezy?

Lisi


https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2896

"For the stable distribution (wheezy), this problem has been fixed in 
version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5."


means wheezy was also vulnerable

root@swotrs:~# dpkg -l openssl
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| 
Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend

|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name  Version   Architecture  
Description

+++-=-=-=-
ii  openssl   1.0.1e-2+deb7u6   amd64 Secure 
Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptograph


is the good version in wheezy

br
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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum





> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:30 AM, David Glover  
> wrote:
> > Debian patched the wheezy version of OpenSSL without changing the version 
> number.
> 
> Run:
> dpkg-query -l openssl
> 
> You should see version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5.
> 
> The "+deb7u5" indicates the heartbleed patch is installed.


No, i didnt have that originally, only after i added security to my 
sources.list. The original update didnt update this, so it wasnt just the 
version-number.

I also checked the site using the http://filippo.io/Heartbleed test, and it 
came up vulnerable. But things are fixed now.


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum





> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:01 AM, Erwan David  wrote:
> > Le 2014-04-10 14:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum a écrit :
>>  I'm running Debian Wheezy 7.4 on a server in Amazon's EC2, that i
>>  installed, recently, from the official Debian AMI. I havent made any
>>  changes to the package infrastructure.
>> 
>>  I'm trying to fix the Heartbleed bug, but my system seems to think
>>  everything is up to date. 

...

> 
> 
> Add the security repositories to your mirror lists ?
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
> 
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free


Thanks that did it!

Id expect that security updates would be automatic in sources.list. It is for 
me from now on!


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Ernst
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 02:49:27PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> lisi@Tux-II:~$ dpkg-query -l openssl
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> | 
> Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name Version   Architecture  Description
> +++--=-=-===
> ii  openssl  1.0.1e-2+deb7 amd64 Secure Socket Layer 
> (SSL) binar
> lisi@Tux-II:~$
> 
> No u-anything.

Try a wider window, or simply "COLUMNS=200 dpkg-query -l openssl", or
use "apt-cache policy openssl".

HTH,
Flo


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Ernst
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:18:00AM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote:
> I don't believe that Wheezy was vulnerable to Heartbleed. It was only the
> 1.0.1f (committed 31 Dec 2011) that incorporated the vulnerable heartbeat
> feature. My wheezy box has 1.0.1e:
> [...]
> So you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

This is not accurate, OpenSSL 1.0.1 through 1.0.1f (inclusive) are
vulnerable. Please see
https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2896
as well as
http://heartbleed.com/

Cheers,
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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 10 April 2014 14:18:00 Brad Alexander wrote:
> I don't believe that Wheezy was vulnerable to Heartbleed. It was
> only the 1.0.1f (committed 31 Dec 2011) that incorporated the
> vulnerable heartbeat feature. My wheezy box has 1.0.1e:
>
> ii  libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6
> i386 SSL shared libraries
> ii  openssl  1.0.1e-2+deb7u6
> i386 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related
> cryptographic tools

I have:

lisi@Tux-II:~$ dpkg-query -l openssl
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| 
Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name Version   Architecture  Description
+++--=-=-===
ii  openssl  1.0.1e-2+deb7 amd64 Secure Socket Layer 
(SSL) binar
lisi@Tux-II:~$

No u-anything.  I take it that that is still alright since it is 
anyway Wheezy?

Lisi


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread David Glover
Debian patched the wheezy version of OpenSSL without changing the version 
number.

Run:
dpkg-query -l openssl

You should see version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5.

The "+deb7u5" indicates the heartbleed patch is installed.

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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse

On 10.04.2014 08:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:

I'm running Debian Wheezy 7.4 on a server in Amazon's EC2, that i
installed, recently, from the official Debian AMI. I havent made any
changes to the package infrastructure.

I'm trying to fix the Heartbleed bug, but my system seems to think
everything is up to date. 

My /etc/apt/sources.list has:

  deb http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy main 
  deb-src http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy main 
  deb http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main 
  deb-src http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main



I believe you're missing security updates as wheezy-updates is not the 
same. If I recall, cloudfront.debian.net didn't include 
security.debian.org to keep security updates at a single location.



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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Brad Alexander
I don't believe that Wheezy was vulnerable to Heartbleed. It was only the
1.0.1f (committed 31 Dec 2011) that incorporated the vulnerable heartbeat
feature. My wheezy box has 1.0.1e:

ii  libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6
i386 SSL shared libraries
ii  openssl  1.0.1e-2+deb7u6
i386 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic
tools

So you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

HTH,
--b



On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum
wrote:

> I'm running Debian Wheezy 7.4 on a server in Amazon's EC2, that i
> installed, recently, from the official Debian AMI. I havent made any
> changes to the package infrastructure.
>
> I'm trying to fix the Heartbleed bug, but my system seems to think
> everything is up to date.
>
> My /etc/apt/sources.list has:
>
>   deb http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy main
>   deb-src http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy main
>   deb http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main
>   deb-src http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main
>
>
> I run "sudo apt-get update", and things get pulled down.
>
>
> But when I run "sudo apt-get upgrade", I get:
>
>   $ sudo apt-get upgrade
>   Reading package lists... Done
>   Building dependency tree
>   Reading state information... Done
>   0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>
>
> My openssl is not up-to-date:
>
>   $ openssl version -a
>   OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013
>   built on: Sat Feb  1 22:14:33 UTC 2014
>   platform: debian-amd64
>
>   [...]
>
> I've waited a day in case theres some issue with the m irrors not getting
> updated, but this still happens. Whats the right way to make my system
> safe? All the instructions Ive seen say "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
> will do it, but not in my case!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jen
>
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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread adresse-privee

Le 2014-04-10 14:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum a écrit :

I'm running Debian Wheezy 7.4 on a server in Amazon's EC2, that i
installed, recently, from the official Debian AMI. I havent made any
changes to the package infrastructure.

I'm trying to fix the Heartbleed bug, but my system seems to think
everything is up to date. 



Can you first try:
apt-cache policy openssl
apt-cache policy



Thanks!

Jen


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Ernst
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 03:00:52PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 2014-04-10 14:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum a écrit :
> >I'm running Debian Wheezy 7.4 on a server in Amazon's EC2, that i
> >installed, recently, from the official Debian AMI. I havent made any
> >changes to the package infrastructure.
> >
> >I'm trying to fix the Heartbleed bug, but my system seems to think
> >everything is up to date. 
> >[...]
> >I've waited a day in case theres some issue with the m irrors not
> >getting updated, but this still happens. Whats the right way to make
> >my system safe? All the instructions Ive seen say "apt-get update &&
> >apt-get upgrade" will do it, but not in my case!
> 
> Add the security repositories to your mirror lists ?
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free

Ack, please see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743892
for background info.

HTH,
Flo


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Re: Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Erwan David

Le 2014-04-10 14:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum a écrit :

I'm running Debian Wheezy 7.4 on a server in Amazon's EC2, that i
installed, recently, from the official Debian AMI. I havent made any
changes to the package infrastructure.

I'm trying to fix the Heartbleed bug, but my system seems to think
everything is up to date. 

My /etc/apt/sources.list has:

  deb http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy main 
  deb-src http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy main 
  deb http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main 
  deb-src http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main


I run "sudo apt-get update", and things get pulled down.


But when I run "sudo apt-get upgrade", I get:

  $ sudo apt-get upgrade 
  Reading package lists... Done 
  Building dependency tree 
  Reading state information... Done 
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.


My openssl is not up-to-date:

  $ openssl version -a 
  OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 
  built on: Sat Feb  1 22:14:33 UTC 2014 
  platform: debian-amd64

  [...]

I've waited a day in case theres some issue with the m irrors not
getting updated, but this still happens. Whats the right way to make
my system safe? All the instructions Ive seen say "apt-get update &&
apt-get upgrade" will do it, but not in my case!

Thanks!

Jen





Add the security repositories to your mirror lists ?

deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free


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Can't patch Heartbleed bug?

2014-04-10 Thread Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum
I'm running Debian Wheezy 7.4 on a server in Amazon's EC2, that i installed, 
recently, from the official Debian AMI. I havent made any changes to the 
package infrastructure.

I'm trying to fix the Heartbleed bug, but my system seems to think everything 
is up to date. 

My /etc/apt/sources.list has:

  deb http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy main 
  deb-src http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy main 
  deb http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main 
  deb-src http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main


I run "sudo apt-get update", and things get pulled down.


But when I run "sudo apt-get upgrade", I get:

  $ sudo apt-get upgrade 
  Reading package lists... Done 
  Building dependency tree 
  Reading state information... Done 
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.


My openssl is not up-to-date:

  $ openssl version -a 
  OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 
  built on: Sat Feb  1 22:14:33 UTC 2014 
  platform: debian-amd64 

  [...]

I've waited a day in case theres some issue with the m irrors not getting 
updated, but this still happens. Whats the right way to make my system safe? 
All the instructions Ive seen say "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" will do 
it, but not in my case!

Thanks!

Jen


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Re: debmirror not installing libdigest-sha-perl, even though it is a dependency

2014-04-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 4/9/14, Kushal Kumaran  wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness  writes:
>> Any idea why the following:
>>
>> $ dpkg -s debmirror|grep Status
>> Status: install ok installed
>>
>> $ apt-cache show debmirror|grep Depends
>> Depends: perl (>= 5.10), libnet-perl, libdigest-md5-perl,
>> libdigest-sha-perl, liblockfile-simple-perl, rsync, bzip2, libwww-perl
>> (>= 5.815), libnet-inet6glue-perl
>>
>> $ dpkg -s libdigest-sha-perl|grep Status
>> dpkg-query: package 'libdigest-sha-perl' is not installed and no
>> information is available
>
> The perl package provides libdigest-sha-perl.
> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libdigest-sha-perl

So why is it also a separate package? It is clear I am not
understanding something here.


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Re: smokeping on jessie

2014-04-10 Thread andre

On 2014-04-09 16:58, Lisi Reisz wrote:


whats the correct way to have a working smokeping on jessie?


https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=smokeping&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all

Exact hits
Package smokeping

squeeze (oldstable) (net): latency logging and graphing system
2.3.6-5+squeeze1: all
wheezy (stable) (net): latency logging and graphing system
2.6.8-2: all
sid (unstable) (net): latency logging and graphing system
2.6.8-2: all
experimental (rc-buggy) (net): latency logging and graphing system
2.6.9-1~exp0: all


Pinning?  Wait for the one in Sid to move into Jessie?  Or for its
dependencies to do so?  I don't really know teh answer to your
question, since I do not know the _best_ way, but the archives now
have a clear statement that he package does in fact exist, just not
in Jessie.  I'm sure that you knew that already!

Lisi


thx Lisi!
looks like i have to wait until its moved

br
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Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle

2014-04-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
shawn wilson writes:

 > The problems with java come from allowing untrusted compiled code to
 > run natively on your machine (WebStart).

I think that this problem arises with EVERY and EACH programming
language. 

You trust Debian software packages because you trust Debian, not because
of the programming language they are written in.

 > Web services, databases,

A web  service running in  a language  that is vulnerable  to exploits
leveraging  malfunction of  the code  handling the  service (i.e.  not
runnning in a virtual machine like JVM or CLR) are dangerous indeed.

Database access done in a sloppy way may be dangerous.

 > Android apps, etc don't have this issue.

For  Android is  false, there  are  known episodes  of malicious  apps
slipping in the app markets.

 > (and I like scripting languages better anyway).

And maybe you use eval() type functions. A door that must be carefully
secured aganst potentially hostile code.

You say taht you don't like  Java culture, and this is the only thing
that holds, since what you like or dislike are something you and only
you can and is entitled to choose.

As for myself, Java has something I like and other things I don't.

As for any language.

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Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle

2014-04-10 Thread shawn wilson
(Nice top post)

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri
 wrote:
> The only problem with Java is that it is a bit "old" for current 
> architectures. There are better languages that run on the JVM (Clojure and 
> Scala to name two).
>

The problems with java come from allowing untrusted compiled code to
run natively on your machine (WebStart). Web services, databases,
Android apps, etc don't have this issue. However, I'm pretty sure you
can write Scala/Clojure WebStart apps that would have the same issues
as native Java has here.

The Java culture tends to piss me off so I try to stay away from it
(and I like scripting languages better anyway).

>> On 09/apr/2014, at 22:31, abdelkader belahcene  wrote:
>>
>> is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle ?
>

AFAIK, the issue with Oracle is their release cycle (not sure if
that's still the case).


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Re: system question

2014-04-10 Thread Brian
On Thu 10 Apr 2014 at 10:31:05 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:

> Just wondering.
> I this Jessie? Is there a reasonable systemd support already? I mean
> mostly in terms of packages that provide unit files.

Obtain a Contents file from http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/. A
seach of it with "/lib/systemd/system/" and ".service" should give you
some idea.


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Re: systemd question

2014-04-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 10 apr 14, 10:31:05, Pavel Volkov wrote:
> 
> Just wondering.
> I this Jessie?

It's the same on wheezy already.

> Is there a reasonable systemd support already? I mean mostly
> in terms of packages that provide unit files.

Depends on what you mean by "reasonable". systemd is capable of using 
initscripts if the package doesn't have a unit file.

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Re: Cropping a large collection of .PNG screenshots

2014-04-10 Thread Raffaele Morelli
2014-04-10 10:05 GMT+02:00 Alex Mestiashvili :

> On 04/09/2014 11:03 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 03:12:40PM +0200, Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
>>
>>> |
>>>   find . -name "*.png" | parallel -P8 convert -quality 95 {} -geometry
>>> 1280 /tmp/{.}.jpg|
>>>
>> Alternatively
>>
>> find . -name "*.png" -exec convert -quality 95 {} -geometry 1280
>> /tmp/{}.jpg +
>>
>> note '+' not '\;' which denotes to run jobs in parallel (here, not
>> specifying
>> a max concurrency limit)
>>
>>
>>
> Nice, thanks for sharing!  but according the man page
>  "Only one instance of `{}' is allowed within the command"
>
> The benefit of parallel over xargs or find is that it is much more
> flexible with arguments in {}.
> For example in the first convert example png files are converted to jpg.
> With xargs the result will look like $file.png.jpg
> With parallel one can alter arguments in {}, so the end result will be
> $file.jpg


let's say there's no use at all in using find

keep_it_simple_as_possible returns that convert (imagemagik tool) has an
outfile option:

convert [input-option] input-file [output-option] output-file

regards
/raffaele


Re: Cropping a large collection of .PNG screenshots

2014-04-10 Thread Alex Mestiashvili

On 04/09/2014 11:03 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 03:12:40PM +0200, Alex Mestiashvili wrote:

|
  find . -name "*.png" | parallel -P8 convert -quality 95 {} -geometry 1280 
/tmp/{.}.jpg|

Alternatively

find . -name "*.png" -exec convert -quality 95 {} -geometry 1280 /tmp/{}.jpg +

note '+' not '\;' which denotes to run jobs in parallel (here, not specifying
a max concurrency limit)




Nice, thanks for sharing!  but according the man page
 "Only one instance of `{}' is allowed within the command"

The benefit of parallel over xargs or find is that it is much more 
flexible with arguments in {}.

For example in the first convert example png files are converted to jpg.
With xargs the result will look like $file.png.jpg
With parallel one can alter arguments in {}, so the end result will be 
$file.jpg


Best,
Alex





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Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle

2014-04-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
The only problem with Java is that it is a bit "old" for current architectures. 
There are better languages that run on the JVM (Clojure and Scala to name two).

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> On 09/apr/2014, at 22:31, abdelkader belahcene  wrote:
> 
> is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle ?


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