date:20141109

buenos dias

tras actualizar ayer el sistema debian  jessie...

ahora cuando inicio sesión
no importa cual escritorio sea... lxde xfce gnome kde
dejan  de responder y me sale un cuadro como si se tratara de una
aplicación de inicio de los escritorio en común que se cuelga el
unico escritorio que inicio fue sugar

y la terminal es con lo único que cuento

de antemano muchas gracias


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Re: DEBIAN SE CUELGAN TODOS LOS ESCRITORIOS

2014-11-09 Thread Juan Lavieri


Hola Edward.

Preguntas:

¿Se inicia el gdm o lo que uses para entrar al sistema vía gráfica?

El 09/11/14 a las 09:45, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escibió:

buenos dias

tras actualizar ayer el sistema debian  jessie...

ahora cuando inicio sesión
no importa cual escritorio sea... lxde xfce gnome kde
dejan  de responder y me sale un cuadro como si se tratara de una
aplicación de inicio de los escritorio en común que se cuelga el
unico escritorio que inicio fue sugar

y la terminal es con lo único que cuento


Siendo así ¿Has intentado arrancar las x desde ese terminal?  es decir:

startx

¿Por qué no lo intentas y nos dice qué pasa?

¿Has revisado los logs del sistema, en particular el de xorg 
(/var/log/Xorg.0.log)?




de antemano muchas gracias


Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd




Saludos.


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Re: DEBIAN SE CUELGAN TODOS LOS ESCRITORIOS

si inicia el gdm
luego lo cambie a kdmy tambien inicia
el problema esta despues q me logueo en lo que aparece el escritorio
no responde y salen un cuadro en todo el medio y ya...

porlomenos en gnome
si paso el mouse por la barra de arriba hac los efectos...pero mas
nada no despliega menu ni naa
Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd

El día 9 de noviembre de 2014, 10:20, Juan Lavieri
jlavi...@gmail.com escribió:
Hola Edward.

Preguntas:

¿Se inicia el gdm o lo que uses para entrar al sistema vía gráfica?

El 09/11/14 a las 09:45, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escibió:

buenos dias

tras actualizar ayer el sistema debian jessie...

ahora cuando inicio sesión
no importa cual escritorio sea... lxde xfce gnome kde
dejan de responder y me sale un cuadro como si se tratara de una
aplicación de inicio de los escritorio en común que se cuelga el
unico escritorio que inicio fue sugar

y la terminal es con lo único que cuento

Siendo así ¿Has intentado arrancar las x desde ese terminal? es decir:

startx

¿Por qué no lo intentas y nos dice qué pasa?

¿Has revisado los logs del sistema, en particular el de xorg
(/var/log/Xorg.0.log)?

de antemano muchas gracias

Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd

Saludos.

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Re: DEBIAN SE CUELGAN TODOS LOS ESCRITORIOS

2014-11-09 Thread Camaleón

El Sun, 09 Nov 2014 09:45:43 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

 buenos dias

Buenos sean, pero no hace falta GRITAR ;-)

 tras actualizar ayer el sistema debian  jessie...
 
 ahora cuando inicio sesión no importa cual escritorio sea... lxde xfce
 gnome kde dejan  de responder y me sale un cuadro como si se tratara de
 una aplicación de inicio de los escritorio en común que se cuelga el
 unico escritorio que inicio fue sugar

Manda una foto de ese cuadro que ves.
 
 y la terminal es con lo único que cuento

Comprueba que no hayas iniciado una sesión con Wayland ya que el entorno 
se queda medio bobo (yo lo probé con gnome-shell pero supongo que Wayland 
no es aún del todo estable).

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Re: DEBIAN SE CUELGAN TODOS LOS ESCRITORIOS

2014-11-09 Thread Juan Lavieri


El 09/11/14 a las 10:38, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escibió:

si inicia el gdm
luego lo cambie a kdmy tambien inicia
  el problema esta despues q me logueo en lo que aparece el escritorio
no responde y salen un cuadro en todo el medio y ya...

porlomenos en gnome
si paso el mouse por la barra de arriba hac los efectos...pero mas
nada no despliega menu ni naa
Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd


Ok.

Vamos a descartar problemas de configuración.

Crea un nuevo usuario e ingresa con dicho usuario.

Veamos que sucede.





El día 9 de noviembre de 2014, 10:20, Juan Lavieri
jlavi...@gmail.com escribió:

Hola Edward.

Preguntas:

¿Se inicia el gdm o lo que uses para entrar al sistema vía gráfica?

El 09/11/14 a las 09:45, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escibió:

buenos dias

tras actualizar ayer el sistema debian  jessie...

ahora cuando inicio sesión
no importa cual escritorio sea... lxde xfce gnome kde
dejan  de responder y me sale un cuadro como si se tratara de una
aplicación de inicio de los escritorio en común que se cuelga el
unico escritorio que inicio fue sugar

y la terminal es con lo único que cuento


Siendo así ¿Has intentado arrancar las x desde ese terminal?  es decir:

startx

¿Por qué no lo intentas y nos dice qué pasa?

¿Has revisado los logs del sistema, en particular el de xorg
(/var/log/Xorg.0.log)?


de antemano muchas gracias


Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd



Saludos.


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Re: DEBIAN SE CUELGAN TODOS LOS ESCRITORIOS

2014-11-09 Thread Juan Lavieri


El 09/11/14 a las 10:54, Camaleón escibió:

El Sun, 09 Nov 2014 09:45:43 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:


buenos dias

Buenos sean, pero no hace falta GRITAR ;-)


Vamos que comenzar un lindo domingo con semejante problema no es para 
menos :-)


Saludos.




tras actualizar ayer el sistema debian  jessie...

ahora cuando inicio sesión no importa cual escritorio sea... lxde xfce
gnome kde dejan  de responder y me sale un cuadro como si se tratara de
una aplicación de inicio de los escritorio en común que se cuelga el
unico escritorio que inicio fue sugar

Manda una foto de ese cuadro que ves.
  

y la terminal es con lo único que cuento

Comprueba que no hayas iniciado una sesión con Wayland ya que el entorno
se queda medio bobo (yo lo probé con gnome-shell pero supongo que Wayland
no es aún del todo estable).

Saludos,




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Re: DEBIAN SE CUELGAN TODOS LOS ESCRITORIOS

saben cuando iniciaba normalmente en ese espacio aparecia en el
espacio del medio un programa que tenia una lupa era con un dock (no
se)
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Dividir la pantalla, o algo así, en entornos de escritorio en Debian

2014-11-09 Thread Miguel Matos

Saludos a la lista. Hace un largo rato que no hacía una petición
porque no me había pasado nada extraño. Pero ahora hago una peculiar.
Verán, en GNOME, si van a Herramientas del
Sistema-Preferencias-Configuración del sistema, y luego van a
Pantalla, pueden configurar la resolución y dividir la pantalla por
las que tengan conectadas (dos: la del escritorio/portátil y un
monitor externo). Bien, tengo xfce y esa opción no existe. Esta es mi
duda: ¿cómo poder dividir las pantallas en xfce (y en caso de que
quiera usarlo, lxde)? En google hasta ahora no he hallado algo que me
satisfaga (o si es porque no le pregunto correctamente, quizás).
Espero me puedan guiar en esto cuando decida no usar GNOME, gracias
anticipadas.

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Re: Dividir la pantalla, o algo así, en entornos de escritorio en Debian

2014-11-09 Thread Manolo Díaz

El domingo, 9 nov 2014 a las 18:13 horas (UTC+1),
Miguel Matos escribió:

Saludos a la lista. Hace un largo rato que no hacía una petición
porque no me había pasado nada extraño. Pero ahora hago una peculiar.
Verán, en GNOME, si van a Herramientas del
Sistema-Preferencias-Configuración del sistema, y luego van a
Pantalla, pueden configurar la resolución y dividir la pantalla por
las que tengan conectadas (dos: la del escritorio/portátil y un
monitor externo). Bien, tengo xfce y esa opción no existe. Esta es mi
duda: ¿cómo poder dividir las pantallas en xfce (y en caso de que
quiera usarlo, lxde)? En google hasta ahora no he hallado algo que me
satisfaga (o si es porque no le pregunto correctamente, quizás).
Espero me puedan guiar en esto cuando decida no usar GNOME, gracias
anticipadas.


No tengo un segundo monitor para probarlo, no sé si funcionará.

Comprueba la anchura en píxeles del primer monitor. Digamos que es 1280.

En el editor de configuración, edita display: busca Position X del
segundo monitor y cámbialo de 0 a 1281 (o el valor que corresponda).

Reinicia XFCE. 


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Re: Dividir la pantalla, o algo así, en entornos de escritorio en Debian

2014-11-09 Thread fernando sainz

El día 9 de noviembre de 2014, 18:57, Manolo Díaz
diaz.man...@gmail.com escribió:
 El domingo, 9 nov 2014 a las 18:13 horas (UTC+1),
 Miguel Matos escribió:

Saludos a la lista. Hace un largo rato que no hacía una petición
porque no me había pasado nada extraño. Pero ahora hago una peculiar.
Verán, en GNOME, si van a Herramientas del
Sistema-Preferencias-Configuración del sistema, y luego van a
Pantalla, pueden configurar la resolución y dividir la pantalla por
las que tengan conectadas (dos: la del escritorio/portátil y un
monitor externo). Bien, tengo xfce y esa opción no existe. Esta es mi
duda: ¿cómo poder dividir las pantallas en xfce (y en caso de que
quiera usarlo, lxde)? En google hasta ahora no he hallado algo que me
satisfaga (o si es porque no le pregunto correctamente, quizás).
Espero me puedan guiar en esto cuando decida no usar GNOME, gracias
anticipadas.


 No tengo un segundo monitor para probarlo, no sé si funcionará.

 Comprueba la anchura en píxeles del primer monitor. Digamos que es 1280.

 En el editor de configuración, edita display: busca Position X del
 segundo monitor y cámbialo de 0 a 1281 (o el valor que corresponda).

 Reinicia XFCE.


 Ya nos contarás. Saludos.
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Puede empezar viendo el man de xrandr.

Luego si su tarjeta fuera una nvidia con los drivers de nvidia mirar:
 nvidia-settings y nvidia-xconfig (Tendrá que instalarlos)

S2.


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Re: Dividir la pantalla, o algo así, en entornos de escritorio en Debian

2014-11-09 Thread Camaleón

El Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:43:10 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió:

 Saludos a la lista. Hace un largo rato que no hacía una petición porque
 no me había pasado nada extraño. Pero ahora hago una peculiar.
 Verán, en GNOME, si van a Herramientas del
 Sistema-Preferencias-Configuración del sistema, y luego van a
 Pantalla, pueden configurar la resolución y dividir la pantalla por las
 que tengan conectadas (dos: la del escritorio/portátil y un monitor
 externo). Bien, tengo xfce y esa opción no existe. Esta es mi duda:
 ¿cómo poder dividir las pantallas en xfce (y en caso de que quiera
 usarlo, lxde)? En google hasta ahora no he hallado algo que me satisfaga
 (o si es porque no le pregunto correctamente, quizás). Espero me puedan
 guiar en esto cuando decida no usar GNOME, gracias anticipadas.

No sé qué a qué opción te refieres exactamente cuando hablas de GNOME 
(sólo conozco la configuración de toda la vida que te permite ubicar los 
monitores como quieras -derecha-izquierda-arriba-abajo- con sus 
resoluciones independientes) pero si tienes dos monitores conectados 
(integrado y externo) podrás configurarlos 1) usando Xorg, 2) con xrandr, 
ambas herramientas son independientes del entorno gráfico o 3) usando las 
opciones del driver gráfico que tengas instalado (ati, nvidia, intel...).

Más info y ejemplos:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/multihead
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr

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Re: DEBIAN SE CUELGAN TODOS LOS ESCRITORIOS

2014-11-09 Thread Camaleón

El Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:13:53 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

 saben cuando iniciaba normalmente en ese espacio aparecia en el espacio
 del medio un programa que tenia una lupa era con un dock (no se)

Mejor si haces las pruebas que te hemos indicado y nos comentas los 
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Re: Dividir la pantalla, o algo así, en entornos de escritorio en Debian

2014-11-09 Thread Miguel Matos

El día 9 de noviembre de 2014, 13:49, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:43:10 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió:

Saludos a la lista. Hace un largo rato que no hacía una petición porque
no me había pasado nada extraño. Pero ahora hago una peculiar.
Verán, en GNOME, si van a Herramientas del
Sistema-Preferencias-Configuración del sistema, y luego van a
Pantalla, pueden configurar la resolución y dividir la pantalla por las
que tengan conectadas (dos: la del escritorio/portátil y un monitor
externo). Bien, tengo xfce y esa opción no existe. Esta es mi duda:
¿cómo poder dividir las pantallas en xfce (y en caso de que quiera
usarlo, lxde)? En google hasta ahora no he hallado algo que me satisfaga
(o si es porque no le pregunto correctamente, quizás). Espero me puedan
guiar en esto cuando decida no usar GNOME, gracias anticipadas.

No sé qué a qué opción te refieres exactamente cuando hablas de GNOME
(sólo conozco la configuración de toda la vida que te permite ubicar los
monitores como quieras -derecha-izquierda-arriba-abajo- con sus
resoluciones independientes) pero si tienes dos monitores conectados
(integrado y externo) podrás configurarlos 1) usando Xorg, 2) con xrandr,
ambas herramientas son independientes del entorno gráfico o 3) usando las
opciones del driver gráfico que tengas instalado (ati, nvidia, intel...).

Más info y ejemplos:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/multihead
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr

Saludos,

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Entonces creo que no fui bastante claro con la explicación, a pesar de que
busqué acortarla lo mejor posible. Así que, les mostraré algo a lo que
me refiero:
Quiero algo como esto: http://imgur.com/CyroPDy, pero en xfce.
En la imagen, si sale conectado otro monitor, saldría otro cuadrado de
color amarillo.

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Re: DEBIAN SE CUELGAN TODOS LOS ESCRITORIOS


 la verdad es que se que paquete esta jodien removi todo gnome e instale
 gnome-core nada mas y dejo de dar el error


intale todos los paquetes que tenia antes y apareció de nuevo, así que deje
gnome-core nada mas

parte del procedimiento que seguí es:

apt-get remove --purge $(dpkg --get-selections| awk '{print $1}' | grep
gnome | xargs)
apt-get install gnome-core
reboot

#hasta aquí todo fue bien, pero se me ocurrió hacer esta gracia

apt-get install $(aptitude search gnome | awk '/pi/ {print $2}')

#salio el error nuevamente así que corregir

apt-get remove --purge $(dpkg --get-selections| awk '{print $1}' | grep
gnome | xargs)
apt-get install gnome

#aun no se que esta fallando pero ya logre entrar a mi querido sesión de
gnome

Re: DEBIAN SE CUELGAN TODOS LOS ESCRITORIOS

esta es la lista de todos los que deje por fuera cual de esos puede causar
daños tanto en kde lxde xfce no se

dia-gnome
gnome-api-docs
gnome-audio
gnome-boxes
gnome-cards-data
gnome-clocks
gnome-commander
gnome-commander:i386
gnome-desktop-data
gnome-desktop-environment
gnome-do
gnome-do-plugins
gnome-extra-icons
gnome-games-extra-data
gnome-genius
gnome-hearts
gnome-illustrious-icon-theme
gnome-logs
gnome-maps
gnome-media-profiles
gnome-mplayer
gnome-music
gnome-osd
gnome-pie
gnome-pie:i386
gnome-power-manager
gnome-screensaver
gnome-system-tools
gnome-video-effects-frei0r
gnome-web-photo
gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs
libgnome-desktop-2-17
libgnome-keyring-dev
libgnome-keyring1.0-cil
libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0
libgnome-vfs2.0-cil
libgnome2.24-cil
libgnomevfs2-bin
libopenrawgnome1
libswt-gnome-gtk-3-jni
network-manager-pptp-gnome
python-gnome2-doc
python-gnomekeyring
qnapi-gnome
xul-ext-gnome-keyring

[OT] monitor sansung no ocupa todo el ancho (franjas negras)

2014-11-09 Thread Rodolfo Edgar

Hola lista, disculpen que escriba por aqui, es que por aqui hay gente
que sabe mucho tanto sobde debian y otros :)

He formateado una pc que tenia windows 7 y le clone con clonezilla
(hasta clonezilla no ocupa todo el ancho de la pantalla, muy raro
nunca me pasó eso) la cosa es que puse un windows 8.1 a pedido del
cliente que si seria mi pc le ponia dual boot y un debian :), y todo
bien y vaya sorpresa inicia todo y la pantalla no ocupa todo el ancho
que tiene, aparecen franjas negras a los costados de 2 cm aprox y he
tratado de usar auto en configuracion del monitor y nada de nada, se
queda ahi, busque mas opciones para ampliar ela ncho y solo se amplia
la que tiene visible osea se mueve donde aparece la imagen y nada de
las frnajas desaarece, he tratado de buscar info en internet y segun
veo es algo con als tarjetas ati, aqui encontre algo
http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/10816633/Solucion-Bordes-Franjas-negras-con-lcd-HDMI-Radeon.html

pero es muy raro, si tuvieran ese caso que pensarian garcias por algun
comentario, saludos.


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Re: Best practise - hårdvarubyte

2014-11-09 Thread Joakim Roubert

On 2014-11-02 11:25, Jens Andersson wrote:
 Projektet att byta hårdvara för min server drar i långbänk. Gamla
 servern kör squeeze och har bara en hårddisk. Nya servern har jag
 planerat för mjukvaru-RAID.

Oavsett hur du gör så kanske du kan ha nytta över den lathund jag har
gjort till mig själv att använda när jag byter (till större) diskar i
min RAID-spegel som nu har hängt med sedan mars 2008, ett gäng diskbyten
och nu sitter i en helt annan dator än den ursprungligen gjorde.

http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/migratetolargerdisks.php

Det är lätt att glömma saker som de, vid olika tillfällen, praktiska
kommandona

mdadm --assemble --scan
vgchange -a y
tar -C /mnt/old --atime-preserve -clSf - . | tar -C /mnt/new -xvf -
mount -t proc none /mnt/new/proc
mount --bind /dev /mnt/new/dev
mount --bind /sys /mnt/new/sys

mellan varven. Jag gör det i alla fall (och gjorde därför den där
lathunden senaste gången).

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Re: någon som har tid för en newbie

2014-11-09 Thread Joakim Roubert

On 2014-10-29 17:32, e...@erikkylin.net wrote:
 
 När jag installerade Debian så fick det blir med Lilo som väll har med 
 bottning att göra, är det ett problem.

Inget problem, LILO är prima.
LILO är lite dinosaurie i sammanhanget; många kör GRUB eller andra, men
jag gillar LILO eftersom den är enkel och utan problem bootar
(mjukvaru)RAID-speglar rakt av etc. Jag körde LILO 1995–2004, GRUB
mellan 2004–2008 och LILO sedan dess. Men egentligen är det strunt sak
samma; alla gör jobbet och startar ditt system snyggt och fint så är
bara att vara nöjd och glad och inget du behöver bekymra dig om (såvida
du inte vill, förstås. ;-) ).

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Erro no apt-get update

2014-11-09 Thread Wellington Mazoni


Boa tarde pessoal,

Quando digito o comando no terminal apt-get update o programa faz a 
atualização, mas alguns repositórios dão erro, Vou postar abaixo meu arquivo source.lst:

#

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 
20140712-14:11]/ wheezy main

deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 
20140712-14:11]/ wheezy main

deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main non-free contrib
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main non-free contrib

# wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main non-free contrib

deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib
deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib

deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia squeeze main

deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia squeeze main

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main

deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main
deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates non-free contrib 
main
# GPG Key: sudo apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring -y

O erro é esse abaixo:

Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Sources
 Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP: 
64.50.233.100 21]
Obter:51 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
 Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP: 
64.50.233.100 21]
Obter:52 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt_BR
Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt_BR
Obter:53 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt
Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt
Obter:54 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
Baixados 570 kB em 1min 5s (8.759 B/s)
W: Erro GPG: http://ftp.br.debian.org squeeze Release: As assinaturas a seguir 
não puderam ser verificadas devido à chave pública não estar disponível: 
NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
W: Falhou ao buscar 
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources  404  Not 
Found

W: Falhou ao buscar 
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  
Not Found

W: Falhou ao buscar 
ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/source/Sources  
Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP: 
64.50.233.100 21]

W: Falhou ao buscar 
ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages
  Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP: 
64.50.233.100 21]

E: Falhou o download de alguns ficheiros de índice. Foram ignorados ou os 
antigos foram usados em seu lugar.


Pessoal o que está errado no meu arquivo source.lst??

Desde já agradeço.

Re: Erro no apt-get update

2014-11-09 Thread P. J.

Queria saber de onde vcs tiram esses exemplos, tanta documentação
bacana na wiki do debian sem falar no livro debian handbook do
Hertzog[1]

1 - Repositório multimedia não é Oficial do Debian,

2 - Misturar versões squeeze(oldstable) e wheezy(stable) não é
recomendável para iniciantes, caso vc se enquadre nesse perfil, exige
configuração de prioridades na manutenção e instalação dos pacotes,
correndo-se o risco de quebrar o sistema

3 - Existem mirrors aqui no Brasil, o instalador lhe dá um leque de opções.

[1]
http://debian-handbook.info/browse/pt-BR/stable/

Em 09/11/14, Wellington Mazoniwmaz...@icloud.com escreveu:
 Boa tarde pessoal,

 Quando digito o comando no terminal apt-get update o programa faz a
 atualização, mas alguns repositórios dão erro, Vou postar abaixo meu arquivo
 source.lst:

 #

 # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1
 20140712-14:11]/ wheezy main

 deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1
 20140712-14:11]/ wheezy main

 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib
 deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib

 deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main non-free contrib
 deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main non-free contrib

 # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main non-free contrib
 deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main non-free
 contrib

 deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
 deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

 deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib
 deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib

 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia squeeze main

 deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia squeeze main

 deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main

 deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main
 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates non-free
 contrib main
 # GPG Key: sudo apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring -y

 O erro é esse abaixo:

 Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Sources
   Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
 64.50.233.100 21]
 Obter:51 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
 Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
   Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
 64.50.233.100 21]
 Obter:52 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt_BR
 Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt_BR
 Obter:53 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt
 Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt
 Obter:54 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
 Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
 Baixados 570 kB em 1min 5s (8.759 B/s)
 W: Erro GPG: http://ftp.br.debian.org squeeze Release: As assinaturas a
 seguir não puderam ser verificadas devido à chave pública não estar
 disponível: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
 W: Falhou ao buscar
 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources  404  Not
 Found

 W: Falhou ao buscar
 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages
 404  Not Found

 W: Falhou ao buscar
 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/source/Sources
 Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
 64.50.233.100 21]

 W: Falhou ao buscar
 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages
  Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
 64.50.233.100 21]

 E: Falhou o download de alguns ficheiros de índice. Foram ignorados ou os
 antigos foram usados em seu lugar.


 Pessoal o que está errado no meu arquivo source.lst??

 Desde já agradeço.




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Re: Erro no apt-get update

2014-11-09 Thread Enio Climaco Sales Junior

O repositório debian-multimedia não mais existe. Troque por:
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free.
Sobre o comentário anterior, totalmente apoiado. Se estiver em dúvida
qual repositório nacional usar, utilize o apt-spy (#apt-get install
apt-spy ;apt-spy -d wheezy -s br)
On 09-11-2014 15:08, P. J. wrote:
 Queria saber de onde vcs tiram esses exemplos, tanta documentação
 bacana na wiki do debian sem falar no livro debian handbook do
 Hertzog[1]

 1 - Repositório multimedia não é Oficial do Debian,

 2 - Misturar versões squeeze(oldstable) e wheezy(stable) não é
 recomendável para iniciantes, caso vc se enquadre nesse perfil, exige
 configuração de prioridades na manutenção e instalação dos pacotes,
 correndo-se o risco de quebrar o sistema

 3 - Existem mirrors aqui no Brasil, o instalador lhe dá um leque de opções.

 [1]
 http://debian-handbook.info/browse/pt-BR/stable/

 Em 09/11/14, Wellington Mazoniwmaz...@icloud.com escreveu:
 Boa tarde pessoal,

 Quando digito o comando no terminal apt-get update o programa faz a
 atualização, mas alguns repositórios dão erro, Vou postar abaixo meu arquivo
 source.lst:

 #

 # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1
 20140712-14:11]/ wheezy main

 deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1
 20140712-14:11]/ wheezy main

 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib
 deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib

 deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main non-free contrib
 deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main non-free contrib

 # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main non-free contrib
 deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main non-free
 contrib

 deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
 deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

 deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib
 deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib

 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia squeeze main

 deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia squeeze main

 deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main

 deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main
 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates non-free
 contrib main
 # GPG Key: sudo apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring -y

 O erro é esse abaixo:

 Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Sources
   Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
 64.50.233.100 21]
 Obter:51 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
 Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
   Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
 64.50.233.100 21]
 Obter:52 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt_BR
 Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt_BR
 Obter:53 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt
 Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt
 Obter:54 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
 Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
 Baixados 570 kB em 1min 5s (8.759 B/s)
 W: Erro GPG: http://ftp.br.debian.org squeeze Release: As assinaturas a
 seguir não puderam ser verificadas devido à chave pública não estar
 disponível: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
 W: Falhou ao buscar
 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources  404  Not
 Found

 W: Falhou ao buscar
 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages
 404  Not Found

 W: Falhou ao buscar
 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/source/Sources
 Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
 64.50.233.100 21]

 W: Falhou ao buscar
 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages
  Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
 64.50.233.100 21]

 E: Falhou o download de alguns ficheiros de índice. Foram ignorados ou os
 antigos foram usados em seu lugar.


 Pessoal o que está errado no meu arquivo source.lst??

 Desde já agradeço.





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Re: Erro no apt-get update

2014-11-09 Thread Rodrigo Cunha

posta o arquivo /etc/resolve.conf , parece erro no dns.
#Caso não tenha um dns põe o do google.
nameserver 8.8.8.8

Caso queira o repositorio : http://www.deb-multimedia.org, tente trocar o
nome squeeze por wheezy, isso é uma pratica comum quando os repositorios
fazem um upgrade e não mantém o repositorio anterior.
Neste caso o link abaixo passaria de :
*http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources *,
para :
*http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources**wheezy/main/source/Sources
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources *,
pode ser que não de certo até porque os repositorios são gerenciados e
alguns deixam de ser continuados por algum motivo.


Em 9 de novembro de 2014 17:44, Enio Climaco Sales Junior 
eniocsjun...@gmail.com escreveu:

 O repositório debian-multimedia não mais existe. Troque por:
 deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free.
 Sobre o comentário anterior, totalmente apoiado. Se estiver em dúvida
 qual repositório nacional usar, utilize o apt-spy (#apt-get install
 apt-spy ;apt-spy -d wheezy -s br)
 On 09-11-2014 15:08, P. J. wrote:
  Queria saber de onde vcs tiram esses exemplos, tanta documentação
  bacana na wiki do debian sem falar no livro debian handbook do
  Hertzog[1]
 
  1 - Repositório multimedia não é Oficial do Debian,
 
  2 - Misturar versões squeeze(oldstable) e wheezy(stable) não é
  recomendável para iniciantes, caso vc se enquadre nesse perfil, exige
  configuração de prioridades na manutenção e instalação dos pacotes,
  correndo-se o risco de quebrar o sistema
 
  3 - Existem mirrors aqui no Brasil, o instalador lhe dá um leque de
 opções.
 
  [1]
  http://debian-handbook.info/browse/pt-BR/stable/
 
  Em 09/11/14, Wellington Mazoniwmaz...@icloud.com escreveu:
  Boa tarde pessoal,
 
  Quando digito o comando no terminal apt-get update o programa faz a
  atualização, mas alguns repositórios dão erro, Vou postar abaixo meu
 arquivo
  source.lst:
 
  #
 
  # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD
 Binary-1
  20140712-14:11]/ wheezy main
 
  deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1
  20140712-14:11]/ wheezy main
 
  deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib
  deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib
 
  deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main non-free contrib
  deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main non-free
 contrib
 
  # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
  deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main non-free
 contrib
  deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main non-free
  contrib
 
  deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
  deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
 
  deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib
  deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib
 
  deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia squeeze main
 
  deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia squeeze main
 
  deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main
 
  deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main
  deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates non-free
  contrib main
  # GPG Key: sudo apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring -y
 
  O erro é esse abaixo:
 
  Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Sources
Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
  64.50.233.100 21]
  Obter:51 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
  Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
  64.50.233.100 21]
  Obter:52 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib
 Translation-pt_BR
  Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt_BR
  Obter:53 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt
  Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-pt
  Obter:54 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
  Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
  Baixados 570 kB em 1min 5s (8.759 B/s)
  W: Erro GPG: http://ftp.br.debian.org squeeze Release: As assinaturas a
  seguir não puderam ser verificadas devido à chave pública não estar
  disponível: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
  W: Falhou ao buscar
  http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources
 404  Not
  Found
 
  W: Falhou ao buscar
 
 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages
  404  Not Found
 
  W: Falhou ao buscar
 
 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/source/Sources
  Impossível obter arquivo, servidor disse 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
  64.50.233.100 21]

Package system in odd state

Hi List,

I just did an apt-get upgrade with sid, and now need
some extra help to patch up the pieces :-/

When I try to install something, I get a conflict
that apt-get install -f doesn't handle.

Can anyone suggest how to resolve this?

Kind regards,

Joel

git:master ~ $ sudo apt-get install -f
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  libinput3 libprotobuf8
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libgdbm3:i386
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libgdbm3:i386
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1192 not upgraded.
235 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0 B/31.2 kB of archives.
After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
(Reading database ... 292902 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb ...
Unpacking libgdbm3:i386 (1.8.3-13+b1) over (1.8.3-13) ...
dpkg: error processing archive 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libgdbm3/changelog.Debian.gz', 
which is different from other instances of package libgdbm3:i386
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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Re: How to enable larger mouse pointers under X

2014-11-09 Thread Anthony Campbell

On 08 Nov 2014, Reco wrote:
  Hi.
 
 On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 22:21:27 -1000
 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote:
 
  Hi list,
  
  I need larger mouse pointers.
  
  I'm running sid, using i3 and icewm as window managers.
  AIUI cursor images are set through X, and do not belong
  to the window manager.
  
  My first attempt was:
  
  % apt-get install big-cursor
  
  Restarting X brings no change. The docs suggest commenting
  out Xcursor.theme: whiteglass in /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources,
  however this didn't help.
 
 You've selected a correct package, but docs suggested you a wrong way to
 configure it (that recommendation applies to xdm only).
 
 Try adding 'Xcursor.theme: big-cursor' to your user's .Xresources file.
 Or, if you need systemwide change - to /etc/X11/Xresources/local.

I've always found that the big-cursor package works perfectly. I don't
have any desktop environment but have used it for both spectrwm and
icewm.

Incidentally, it can be used to get a large cursor on other systems too,
including ArchLinux and even OpenBSD. I've posted a
href=http://www.acampbell.org.uk/serendipity/index.php?/archives/672-A-large-mouse-pointer-for-ArchLinux.html;details
 here/a.

AC


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Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 05:38:59PM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
 What part of we don't want systemd on any of our systems don't you
 get?  If we don't want it, we won't be testing it.

There's still plenty of work to be done testing upgrade paths for sysvinit;
improving systemd-shim; patching d-i so that you can preseed a systemd-free
install; no shortage of places to constructively apply yourself.


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Re: alsa-utils save / restore not working http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768665

2014-11-09 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen

Hi

On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 06:12:32PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote:
 Pardon me, but I'm a bit frustrated on how to debug
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768665
 
 does /var/run get saved across reboots?

I would not expect so.  http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.13.html

 Where are the state of the sound card(s) saved / restored?

I don't use alsa-utils, but based on my understanding of the FHS, I'd
expect somewhere under /var/lib/alsa-utils.

But from reading the bug report, I'm led to believe it is
/var/lib/alsa/asound.state

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Re: Problems with greylistd and exim and gmail

2014-11-09 Thread Joe

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 18:07:02 +1100
Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA256
 
 On 2/11/2014 8:24 PM, Virgo Pärna wrote:
  Ok problem is solved. I did have invalid lines in file: like
  that 209.85.128/17 line. And exim stops processing file, if it
  meets invalid host line. I guess, that it was just coincidence,
  that it started happening now.
 
 I would like to know the best way to validate the file, offline,
 before it effects greylisting.  Anyone?
 

I have used aggregate, which also merged adjacent CIDR blocks which had
collected over time. It would choke on the lines without three dots,
which is a common way of specifying CIDR blocks in the LACNIC WHOIS,
and was my most common error. It also complained, as you might expect
from a CIDR block merge tool, if the dotted decimal part was not
followed by a consistent number of bits i.e. if the remaining bits at
the end were not all zero.

But there may be malformed addresses it will pass, I don't think there's
any guaranteed answer other than writing a script.

A regular expression seems to be a quick and dirty answer for IP
addresses, and a simple one does eliminate the worst errors, but it's
tricky to also make sure it only allows numbers 0 to 255, and even
harder to validate an arbitrary CIDR block specification. The rgxg tool
will produce an RE to match addresses *in* a CIDR block, but you first
have to feed it a valid CIDR block...

But an RE still has to be wrapped into some kind of script, and you
might as well just use a simple RE to select for shape, then split on
the punctuation and check the numerical values using the scripting
language, and check the overall binary value against the / number. Or
trust that aggregate makes a reasonable job of doing that.

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Re: network card bridging failing on wheezy

2014-11-09 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen

Hi

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 05:57:41PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
 For some reason my network card bridging has failed after working
 properly for many years.
 
 My /etc/network/interfaces is:
 
 auto lo
 iface lo inet loopback
 iface eth0 inet manual
 auto br0
 iface br0 inet static
 address 192.168.1.14
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 broadcast 192.168.1.255
 gateway 192.168.1.1
 bridge_ports eth0
 bridge_stp off
 bridge_fd 0
 bridge_maxwait 0
 
 From a fresh boot, I get nothing running. If I bring up br0
 (ifconfig br0 up), it comes up with 192.168.122.1 whether I do it
 with eth0 up or down. Bringing up eth0 seems to produce the correct
 results - a network interface with no IP, same as it always did.
 
 Bringing up br0 with the 192.168.1.14 address leaves me with a
 machine that can't connect or be connected to. However, if I drop
 br0 and bring up eth0 with the address, things work, apart from the
 lack of a gateway.
 
 I can manually add a default gateway to the route. While this works,
 running the route command takes a long time to come back with the
 results. However my computer now connects and can be connected to.

Hm.. I don't see auto eth0 anywhere

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Re: network card bridging failing on wheezy

2014-11-09 Thread Christian Seiler

Am 08.11.2014 23:57, schrieb Gary Dale:
 For some reason my network card bridging has failed after working 
 properly for many years.
 
 My /etc/network/interfaces is:
 
 auto lo
 iface lo inet loopback
 iface eth0 inet manual
 auto br0
 iface br0 inet static
  address 192.168.1.14
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  broadcast 192.168.1.255
  gateway 192.168.1.1
  bridge_ports eth0
  bridge_stp off
  bridge_fd 0
  bridge_maxwait 0
 
  From a fresh boot, I get nothing running.

What does

 ip link show

and

 ip -4 addr show

say?

Note that in configurations where I use bridging, I don't have a 'iface
eth0 inet manual' line; since 'bridge_ports eth0' is set, this will
automatically activate 'eth0' as part of the bridge. But OTOH, I don't
see the harm that line can do...

 If I bring up br0 (ifconfig 
 br0 up), it comes up with 192.168.122.1 whether I do it with eth0 up or 
 down.

This IP seems oddly familiar... Did you recently install libvirt?
Because that's the default IP for libvirt's default internal bridged
network (virbr0). Normally, that shouldn't interfere with the standard
bridge (different interface name), but maybe in your case, perhaps
because you edited your configuration?

(XML configuration under /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/, especially look
for symlinks in /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/autostart/. Note that if you
manually edit your libvirt configuration without virt-manager or virsh,
you first have to stop it, edit the configuration and then start it
again, else it will not work and be overwritten.)

 Bringing up br0 with the 192.168.1.14 address leaves me with a machine 
 that can't connect or be connected to.

Is bridge-utils still installed? What does 'brctl show' say?

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Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 08:52:32PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 That the moaners have their way and have driven out a reallly good developer
 for daring to disagree with them.

Unless he says otherwise, I do not think it is fait to attribute Joey's
leaving to the moaners. The most likely explanation is the way that the
tech-ctte is operating, enshrined by the constitution. Consider one of
his most recent emails to the debian-ctte list

https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/11/msg00045.html


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Re: How not to concatenate my domain name?

2014-11-09 Thread Joe

On Sun, 9 Nov 2014 04:32:22 + (UTC)
Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:

 On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:05:05 +, Joe wrote:
 
  On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 18:49:50 + (UTC)
  Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
  
  When I do a web search from my laptop, connected via wifi to my
  server and then too the rest of the world, if it for any reason
  fails to find, say,  aspidistraonion.com, it ends up giving me the
  IP number of my own server, and thus the wrong web page.
  
  This can happen because of a temporary network problem, and if I'm
  using chrome, it puts the wrong IP number into its own DNS cache,
  and the cache remains poisoned for a long time.  (anyone know how
  to remove things from the chrome's DNS cache, by the way?)
  
  Now I suspect the cause is that my DNS lookup
  appends .topoi.pooq.com to every unsuccessful search, in case I'm
  looking for something on my LAN. And then it does find
  69.165.131.134, which is the externally known gateway IP number
  for everything on the LAN.  (let the server figure out where the
  packet really goes).
  
  I suspect this dates back to installation time, when I was
  separately asked for the machine's name (notlookedfor) and the
  domain name (topoi.pooq.com), presumably so it could set up this
  alleged convenience.
  Is there any way to get my local DNS lookup *not* to append the
  wider domain name to anything (or, at least, to anything already
  containing a dot)?
  
  I'm running a jessie system with systemv init and systemd-shim, in
  case it matters.
  
  -- hendrik



  
  My /etc/resolv.conf files always contain a search domain name, and
  I've never seen a DNS failure try to append it to anything but a
  hostname.
  
  I ask because an increasing number of routers, particularly those
  supplied by ISPs, are now taking it upon themselves to take some
  kind of action of their own if a DNS lookup fails, instead of
  passing on the authoritative DNS server's failure message as they
  should, so your browser can tell you what really happened. It may
  not be your laptop which is causing the problem.
 
 I appear to be using Google's DNS.
 
 hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
 domain topoi.pooq.com
 search topoi.pooq.com
 nameserver 8.8.8.8
 nameserver 8.8.4.4
 hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ 
 
 As far as I know, I've let Debian install its preferred packages for
 DNS lookup, and haven't interfered with it.  The system has been
 continually upgraded as testing since the days of wheezy, and
 possibly earlier.
 

I have a feeling it is your own domain host which is responsible for
this problem. It has become customary for authoritative DNS servers to
return the IP address for the www A record if queried for the bare
domain name, which isn't right but which many people find convenient.

It would appear that your domain host goes one step further, and the
same IP address is returned for a ping to anything at all with your
domain suffix. This certainly isn't right, but may be beyond your
ability to prevent. It's worth a look on your domain host's web control
panel for DNS, to see if there's a 'catch-all' option which can be
turned off. If you can do this, don't forget that DNS servers such as
Google's will cache the old values for a time.

If not, all I can suggest is that you set invalid domain names in your
resolv.conf for search and domain, and hope that something clever on
your system doesn't reset them. Mucking about with /etc/resolv.conf is
not at all unusual, especially with VPN or wi-fi involved. It doesn't
appear possible to prevent these values being used as suffixes in DNS
lookups, even to already fully qualified hostnames.

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Re: [newbie] OpenVPN: {DNS, ping, ssh} work, HTTP fails

2014-11-09 Thread Mart van de Wege

Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com writes:


 * `ifconfig` shows a new entry=`tun0`, which looks correct
 * I can `ping` the server using either its real IP# or `10.8.0.1`
 * I can `ssh` to the server using either its real IP# or `10.8.0.1`
 * `nslookup www.whatismyip.com` gives correct results


This tells me that your VPN works. What I suspect is a routing problem
on the other side of the VPN.

Can you ping IP addresses beyond your VPN?

What does the output of traceroute show?

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Re: How to enable larger mouse pointers under X - SOLVED

2014-11-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Am Samstag, 8. November 2014, 07:24:04 schrieb Joel Roth:
 On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 05:58:38PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
  Am Samstag, 8. November 2014, 05:55:58 schrieb Joel Roth:
   On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 12:15:09PM +0300, Reco wrote:
 Hi.

On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 22:21:27 -1000

Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I need larger mouse pointers.
 
 I'm running sid, using i3 and icewm as window managers.
 AIUI cursor images are set through X, and do not belong
 to the window manager.
 
 My first attempt was:
 
 % apt-get install big-cursor
 
 Restarting X brings no change. The docs suggest commenting
 out Xcursor.theme: whiteglass in /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources,
 however this didn't help.

You've selected a correct package, but docs suggested you a wrong way
to
configure it (that recommendation applies to xdm only).

Try adding 'Xcursor.theme: big-cursor' to your user's .Xresources
file.
Or, if you need systemwide change - to /etc/X11/Xresources/local.
   
   Hmmm. This didn't help, but I got the bright idea to
   modify /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme as follows:
   
   [Icon Theme]
   Inherits=big-cursor
   
   Which makes a difference!
  
  update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
  
  shows a lot of cursor themes to choose from here.
  
  And these are stored in /etc/X11/cursors
 
 In my system, they are in /usr/share/icons.

Well then you edit a non config file in /usr. I try to avoid this, but heck, if 
it works for you.

Interesting, I have KDE and comix cursor themes and these install to 
/etc/X11/cursors:

martin@merkaba:~ LANG=C dpkg -S /etc/X11/cursors/oxy-steel.theme
oxygencursors: /etc/X11/cursors/oxy-steel.theme
martin@merkaba:~ LANG=C dpkg -S /etc/X11/cursors/ComixCursors-White.theme
comixcursors-righthanded: /etc/X11/cursors/ComixCursors-White.theme


I actually love the big fat colorful comixcursors. Its abolutely impossible to 
miss this one on the screen :)

  The alternative mechanism just seems for selecting one.
 
 However, it doesn't list big-cursor as an alternative.

I never used this one.

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Doubt about the release-fitness of a package (gfax)

2014-11-09 Thread Ralph Aichinger

I just tried to install gfax (in sid), and it crashed on me just as described
in bug 651160.

This has been reported in 2011, is tagged help, and seems to go
nowhere.

What is the right way to suggest that this package is not ready
for release (I do think if I am not the only one experiencing 
the same crash it is probably a general thing, not something 
to do with my install), even though there is currently no RC bug
filed? 

Add my findigns bug 651160,  and set it to RC (is that considered
rude if a non-developer does it)? Is it even possible (setting to RC)?

Mail the maintainer?

File another bug?

I want to straddle the fine line between me me me-type severity inflation
and a genuine feeling that this package should not end up in stable 
jessie in its current state. And I do not only want to ask about that
one package, but what is the right thing to do as a user if one finds
bugs like these.

TIA
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Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Du, 09 nov 14, 04:05:56, Hendrik Boom wrote:
 
 I've started to have trouble mounting the NTFS partition on my machine 
 from Linux.  No problem doing this in Windows, of course.  I used to be 
 able to mount it from the file manager after entering the root 
 password.  Starting a month or so ago, the file manager would 
 tantalizingly show me the partition but refuse to let me mount it 
 because I didn't have the proveleges.

I can't comment on this since you didn't mention which file manager.

 Finally, it stopped even showing me that partition.  Of course I cann 
 still log in as root and mount it from the command line, copy any 
 files from it, and chown them to myself.  But it is unnecessarily 
 awkward.  

If this is not a removable drive you might want to use something like 
this in your fstab:

/dev/sdaX   /media/ntfs ntfs-3g 
uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=113,dmask=002

This would make *all* files on the partition *owned* by user 1000, and 
set some umask for them.

Kind regards,
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Re: Doubt about the release-fitness of a package (gfax)

On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 12:12:52 +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:

 I just tried to install gfax (in sid), and it crashed on me just as described
 in bug 651160.
 
 This has been reported in 2011, is tagged help, and seems to go
 nowhere.
 
 What is the right way to suggest that this package is not ready
 for release (I do think if I am not the only one experiencing 
 the same crash it is probably a general thing, not something 
 to do with my install), even though there is currently no RC bug
 filed? 
 
 Add my findigns bug 651160,  and set it to RC (is that considered
 rude if a non-developer does it)? Is it even possible (setting to RC)?

Add your findings and reasoning to #651160 and raise its severity to
'grave' (makes the package in question unusable or mostly so). It is
something not to be done lightly so be as sure as you can with your
argument. The maintainer will lower it if it's thought to be over the
top. 
 
 Mail the maintainer?

No. Keep to the BTS.

 File another bug?

Not if you think #651160 fits your situation.

 I want to straddle the fine line between me me me-type severity inflation
 and a genuine feeling that this package should not end up in stable 
 jessie in its current state. And I do not only want to ask about that
 one package, but what is the right thing to do as a user if one finds
 bugs like these.

Take a look at http://gfax.cowlug.org/ and its mailing list. Is there
significant upstream maintenence? Does the software fit in with Jessie's
gnome? etc.


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Re: [newbie] OpenVPN: {DNS, ping, ssh} work, HTTP fails

2014-11-09 Thread Pascal Hambourg

Tom Roche a écrit :
 
 My jumpbox/server firewall is currently set to forward everything, using
 `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE`

This rule doesn't forward anything, it just enables masquerading.
IPv4 forwarding is enabled with sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1.


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SOLVED - Re: alsa-utils save / restore not working http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768665

2014-11-09 Thread Arthur Marsh


Karl E. Jorgensen wrote on 09/11/14 20:04:

Hi

On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 06:12:32PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote:

Pardon me, but I'm a bit frustrated on how to debug
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768665

does /var/run get saved across reboots?


I would not expect so.  http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.13.html


Where are the state of the sound card(s) saved / restored?


I don't use alsa-utils, but based on my understanding of the FHS, I'd
expect somewhere under /var/lib/alsa-utils.

But from reading the bug report, I'm led to believe it is
/var/lib/alsa/asound.state

Hope this helps



The problem was that I'd plugged the pc speakers into the rear speakers 
output and KDE was set to do analogue stereo output, so it muted 
surround output and hence the rear speakers.


With the pc speakers plugged into the front/line output, things worked 
much better.


Thankfully I still had the documentation for motherboard handy.

Arthur.



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Re: mythtv fails to install

2014-11-09 Thread Dan Ritter

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 06:46:04PM -0500, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
 attempting to get mythtv-common installed, but i keep getting this
 error in the shell;
 
 sudo apt-get install -f  mythtv-common 
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree   
 Reading state information... Done
 The following extra packages will be installed:
   mythtv-doc
 The following NEW packages will be installed:
   mythtv-common mythtv-doc
 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
 Need to get 167 kB/14.5 MB of archives.
 After this operation, 29.8 MB of additional disk space will be used.
 Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
 Get:1 http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ testing/main mythtv-doc all
 0.27.4+fixes20141029-dmo1 [167 kB] Fetched 167 kB in 1s (121 kB/s)  
 Preconfiguring packages ...
 Selecting previously unselected package mythtv-common.
 (Reading database ... 219224 files and directories currently installed.)
 Preparing to
 unpack .../mythtv-common_0.27.4+fixes20141029-dmo1_all.deb ...
 Unpacking mythtv-common (0.27.4+fixes20141029-dmo1) ... Selecting
 previously unselected package mythtv-doc. Preparing to
 unpack .../mythtv-doc_0.27.4+fixes20141029-dmo1_all.deb ... Unpacking
 mythtv-doc (0.27.4+fixes20141029-dmo1) ... Setting up mythtv-common
 (0.27.4+fixes20141029-dmo1) ... useradd: group mythtv exists - if you
 want to add this user to that group, use -g. dpkg: error processing
 package mythtv-common (--configure): subprocess installed
 post-installation script returned error exit status 9 Setting up
 mythtv-doc (0.27.4+fixes20141029-dmo1) ... Errors were encountered
 while processing: mythtv-common
 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Right, you have an existing mythtv group.

You could change the name of that group in /etc/group from
mythtv to mythtv-old, then install mythtv packages again, 
then run a find over your whole filesystem to convert mythtv-old
files to mythtv.

You could also file a bug report with the people who run
deb-multimedia.org.

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Re: xpdf(1) doesn't read ~/.xpdfrc

On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 04:29:00 +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:

 What I can see, xpdf(1) doesn't read ~/.xpdfrc
 
 I also tried with xpdf.real - /usr/bin/xpdf.real -
 though I don't know what that is (xpdf.real refers to
 xpdf(1) as well) - same result.
 
 uname -a:
 
 Linux debian 3.16-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.3-2
 (2014-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux
 
 xpdf -v:
 
 xpdf version 3.03

Why do you think your ~/.xpdfrc isn't read? Please post its contents and
say which window manager or desktop environment it is running under.


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Re: mythtv fails to install

2014-11-09 Thread Chris Bannister

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 06:46:04PM -0500, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
 attempting to get mythtv-common installed, but i keep getting this
 error in the shell;
 
 sudo apt-get install -f  mythtv-common 
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree   
 Reading state information... Done
 The following extra packages will be installed:
   mythtv-doc
 The following NEW packages will be installed:
   mythtv-common mythtv-doc
 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
 Need to get 167 kB/14.5 MB of archives.
 After this operation, 29.8 MB of additional disk space will be used.
 Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
 Get:1 http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ testing/main mythtv-doc all

You'll have to contact the maintainers of that 3rd party repository. It
is not part of Debian.

See:
http://www.deb-multimedia.org/mailinglist

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Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-09 Thread Hendrik Boom

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:22:46 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Du, 09 nov 14, 04:05:56, Hendrik Boom wrote:
 
 I've started to have trouble mounting the NTFS partition on my machine
 from Linux.  No problem doing this in Windows, of course.  I used to be
 able to mount it from the file manager after entering the root
 password.  Starting a month or so ago, the file manager would
 tantalizingly show me the partition but refuse to let me mount it
 because I didn't have the proveleges.
 
 I can't comment on this since you didn't mention which file manager.

It's the file manager provided by xfce.  I don't know which one that is.

Ah...  When I started it just now, before the window title said File 
Manager, for a brief moment it said Thunar.

I wish all desktops had systematic, transparent, naive-user-accessible 
ways of identifying what packages or programs are invoked by menu items.

 
 Finally, it stopped even showing me that partition.  Of course I can
 still log in as root and mount it from the command line, copy any files
 from it, and chown them to myself.  But it is unnecessarily awkward.
 
 If this is not a removable drive you might want to use something like
 this in your fstab:
 
 /dev/sdaX   /media/ntfs ntfs-3g
 uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=113,dmask=002

Works for me.  But just for me.  But there are several /dev/sd* that 
might be involved (being dynamically assigned and all), several file 
system (but setting the file system to auto might work), and several 
users.

Still, it would help.

-- hendrik



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Set openbox to be mate default WM

2014-11-09 Thread David Kline

I'm sorry if there is a solution posted somewhere in the documentation. Google 
has spoiled me WRT to finding howtos and guides. 

My windows in mate looked terrible. I was wondering why themes weren't 
changing. I thought that the windows looked kind of gnome 3ish so I ran openbox 
--replace. I was surprised to find that open box was not the default! How do I 
set openbox to be the default mate window manager?

Re: alsa-utils save / restore not working http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768665

Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
  Where are the state of the sound card(s) saved / restored?
 
 I don't use alsa-utils, but based on my understanding of the FHS, I'd
 expect somewhere under /var/lib/alsa-utils.
 
 But from reading the bug report, I'm led to believe it is
 /var/lib/alsa/asound.state

Correct, and you can also save the ALSA state anywhere you want. 

man alsactl

 
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Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread Hendrik Boom

I just encountered a link about refracta.

Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing.  Its home 
page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/

At  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3t=118319 it is described 
as (for testing, without libsystemd0, it's pinned).

Anybody know more?  Does it use Debian's repositories?

Are there any other forks?

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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm? -- SOLVED

On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 03:27:39 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:15:51 +, Brian wrote:
 
  xdm can do it. Adapting its approach:
  
  Go to Seat configuration in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. Uncomment
  [Seat:0] and after this line put
  
 xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :0 vt07 -nolisten -tcp
  
  Add
  
 [Seat:1]
 xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :1 vt08 -nolisten -tcp
 
 Yes, that worked beautifully.  Thank you.
 And I presume the same thing (but wiith a different config file) would 
 work if I were ever to switch to xdm.

You'll want the Xservers file. Examples are there too.

A chance to correct my typ: '-tcp' should be 'tcp'.


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Ticketing Systems

2014-11-09 Thread Jean-Marc

Hi everybody,

I am looking for a Ticketing System I can install using Debian packages.

Something like otrs or request-tracker.

Did some of you already experience one of them ?

Advice / comments are welcome.

Cheers,

Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be

P.S. my apologies if this is too noisy, I have no time yet to take a look at 
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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 14:04:59 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 I just encountered a link about refracta.
 
 Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing.  Its home 
 page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/

Guess what? They have forum too. I bet they are avid to answer questions
such as yours. :)


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Re: xpdf(1) doesn't read ~/.xpdfrc

2014-11-09 Thread Emanuel Berg

Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes:

 What I can see, xpdf(1) doesn't read ~/.xpdfrc
 
 I also tried with xpdf.real - /usr/bin/xpdf.real -
 though I don't know what that is (xpdf.real refers
 to xpdf(1) as well) - same result.
 
 uname -a:
 
 Linux debian 3.16-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.3-2 (2014-09-20) x86_64 
 GNU/Linux
 
 xpdf -v:
 
 xpdf version 3.03

 Why do you think your ~/.xpdfrc isn't read? Please
 post its contents and say which window manager or
 desktop environment it is running under.

Right away.

The reason I think it isn't read is that I had a bunch
of configs that suddenly stoped to work, every single
one of them. Yes, I tried to strip it down to but a
single setting but I had no success confirming even a
minimal .xpdfrc is read.

My WM is openbox, but the desktop environment
question is more tricky. I start X from ~/.zprofile
with xinit in /dev/tty6 - then, in ~/.xinitrc I launch
xterm with tmux. Maybe you can help me provide an
answer to your own question by inspecting the output
of 'pstree -A -s':

systemd-+-ModemManager-+-{gdbus}
|  `-{gmain}
|-accounts-daemon-+-{gdbus}
| `-{gmain}
|-atd
|-avahi-daemon---avahi-daemon
|-console-kit-dae-+-62*[{console-kit-dae}]
| |-{gdbus}
| `-{gmain}
|-cron
|-dbus-daemon
|-dhclient
|-exim4
|-hs
|-login---zsh---emacs---{gmain}
|-4*[login---zsh---tmux]
|-login---zsh-+-tmux
| `-zsh---xinit-+-Xorg
|   `-sh-+-openbox
|`-xterm---tmux
|-minissdpd
|-polkitd-+-{gdbus}
| `-{gmain}
|-rpc.idmapd
|-rpc.statd
|-rpcbind
|-rsyslogd-+-{in:imklog}
|  |-{in:imuxsock}
|  `-{rs:main Q:Reg}
|-systemd---(sd-pam)
|-systemd-journal
|-systemd-logind
|-systemd-udevd
|-tmux-+-9*[zsh]
|  |-zsh---pstree
|  |-zsh---ssh
|  `-zsh---xpdf.real
`-xbindkeys

Here is the init [1] -

bind i any scrollUp(32)
bind k any scrollDown(32)
bind j any scrollLeft(32)
bind l any scrollRight(32)

bind alt- any gotoPage(1) scrollToTopEdge
bind alt- any gotoLastPage scrollToBottomEdge

bind r any reload

bind w any zoomFitWidth
bind h any zoomFitPage

bind c any gotoPage(1)
bind b any gotoLastPage

bind e any zoomIn
bind t any zoomOut

bind ctrl-0 any zoomPercent(220) scrollToLeftEdge scrollRight(144)

bind ctrl-s any find
bind s any findNext

continuousView yes

[1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.xpdfrc

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Re: [newbie] OpenVPN: {DNS, ping, ssh} work, HTTP fails

2014-11-09 Thread Tom Roche


summary: I have a routing problem on the server side of the VPN, as diagnosed 
by Mart van de Wege[1]: veel dank Mart! I hope to fix that problem using these 
linode instructions[2].

details:

Tom Roche Sat, 08 Nov 2014 23:47:29 -0500 [3]
 My jumpbox/server firewall is currently set to forward everything, using 
 `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE`:

Pascal Hambourg Sun, 09 Nov 2014 13:13:16 +0100 [4]
 This rule doesn't forward anything, it just enables masquerading.
 IPv4 forwarding is enabled with sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1.

Correct: I also have 

me@jumpbox:~$ fgrep -e 'forward' /etc/sysctl.conf
 # Uncomment the next line to enable packet forwarding for IPv4
 net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
 # Uncomment the next line to enable packet forwarding for IPv6
 #net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1

on the server. Indeed I am a network newbie as previously advertised :-( In any 
case, current firewall behavior is as noted:

 me@jumpbox:~$ date ; sudo iptables -L
 Sat Nov  8 16:42:06 EST 2014
 Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
 target prot opt source destination 
 fail2ban-ssh  tcp  --  anywhereanywhere multiport dports ssh

 Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
 target prot opt source destination 

 Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
 target prot opt source destination 

 Chain fail2ban-ssh (1 references)
 target prot opt source destination 
 RETURN all  --  anywhere   anywhere

Mart van de Wege Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:02:46 +0100 [1]
 What I suspect is a routing problem on the other side of the VPN.

 Can you ping IP addresses beyond your VPN?

 What does the output of traceroute show?

Good questions! I will add these to the Debian wiki[5] because your suspicions 
are correct. Before starting OpenVPN on either the laptop/client or the 
jumpbox/server:

me@laptop:~$ date ; pgrep -l openvpn | wc -l
 Sun Nov  9 09:24:43 EST 2014
 0

me@laptop:~$ date ; ping -c 4 www.whatismyip.com
 Sun Nov  9 09:24:48 EST 2014
 PING www.whatismyip.com (141.101.120.15) 56(84) bytes of data.
 64 bytes from 141.101.120.15: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=94.7 ms
 64 bytes from 141.101.120.15: icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=157 ms
 64 bytes from 141.101.120.15: icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=88.3 ms
 64 bytes from 141.101.120.15: icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=88.8 ms

 --- www.whatismyip.com ping statistics ---
 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 15621ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 88.370/107.325/157.369/29.002 ms

me@laptop:~$ date ; traceroute www.whatismyip.com
 Sun Nov  9 09:25:17 EST 2014
 traceroute to www.whatismyip.com (141.101.120.15), 30 hops max, 60 byte 
 packets
  1  192.168.15.1 (192.168.15.1)  0.850 ms  0.838 ms  1.378 ms
  2  71-23-64-2.clt.clearwire-wmx.net (71.23.64.2)  75.041 ms  75.040 ms  
 75.030 ms
  3  71.22.7.161 (71.22.7.161)  75.293 ms  75.287 ms  75.661 ms
  4  66-192-62-1.static.twtelecom.net (66.192.62.1)  75.260 ms  75.619 ms  
 75.600 ms
  5  ash1-pr1-xe-2-3-0-0.us.twtelecom.net (66.192.244.214)  84.267 ms  84.467 
 ms  84.456 ms
  6  xe-0.equinix.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (206.126.236.12)  84.429 ms  
 86.913 ms  86.863 ms
  7  ae10.ar2.iad1.us.as4436.gtt.net (69.31.31.168)  96.019 ms  96.242 ms  
 95.980 ms
  8  as13335.xe-7-0-3.ar1.iad1.us.as4436.gtt.net (69.31.31.90)  95.604 ms  
 95.585 ms as13335.xe-9-0-2.ar1.iad1.us.as4436.gtt.net (69.31.30.14)  96.170 ms
  9  * as13335.xe-7-0-3.ar1.iad1.us.as4436.gtt.net (69.31.31.90)  95.515 ms  
 95.520 ms
 10  141.101.120.15 (141.101.120.15)  96.397 ms  96.392 ms  95.841 ms

After starting OpenVPN on first the jumpbox/server then the laptop/client, 
off-VPN routing is indeed hosed:

me@laptop:~$ date ; pgrep -l openvpn | wc -l
 Sun Nov  9 09:31:27 EST 2014
 1

me@laptop:~$ date ; ping -c 4 www.whatismyip.com
 Sun Nov  9 09:31:33 EST 2014
 PING www.whatismyip.com (141.101.120.14) 56(84) bytes of data.

 --- www.whatismyip.com ping statistics ---
 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3023ms

me@laptop:~$ date ; traceroute www.whatismyip.com
 Sun Nov  9 09:33:06 EST 2014
 traceroute to www.whatismyip.com (141.101.120.15), 30 hops max, 60 byte 
 packets
  1  10.8.0.1 (10.8.0.1)  99.579 ms  99.584 ms  104.230 ms
  2  * * *
...
 30  * * *

Note also that the jumpbox/server is a linode running a stock Debian (`cat 
/etc/debian_version`=='7.7'), which are apparently able to support OpenVPN, per 
these linode.com-hosted instructions[6]. They are vague in places, which made 
me switch to the Debian wiki[5], but now I suspect that I need to switch back 
to its section='Tunneling All Connections through the VPN'[2]. So I'll give 
that a try. (Eventually I prefer only to tunnel ssh and the SSL VPN through the 
OpenVPN to the cluster, so I'll probably be back later :-)

Your assistance is appreciated! Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/11/msg00463.html
[2]

Re: Ticketing Systems

2014-11-09 Thread Miles Fidelman


Jean-Marc wrote:

Hi everybody,

I am looking for a Ticketing System I can install using Debian packages.

Something like otrs or request-tracker.


Well both otrs and rt are in the Debian repo

Miles Fidelman

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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

On Sun, 11/9/14, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:

 Subject: Has the systemd fork already happened?
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Sunday, November 9, 2014, 8:04 AM

I just encountered a link about refracta.

Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing.  Its home
page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/

At  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3t=118319 it is described
as (for testing, without libsystemd0, it's pinned).

Anybody know more?  Does it use Debian's repositories?

Are there any other forks?

-- hendrik

Yes, Refracta is pure unmodified Debian and uses the Debian repos!   As 
suggested, please join the forums and contribute expertise if possible.

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Re: xpdf(1) doesn't read ~/.xpdfrc

On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 15:58:10 +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:

 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes:
 
  Why do you think your ~/.xpdfrc isn't read? Please
  post its contents and say which window manager or
  desktop environment it is running under.
 
 Right away.
 
 The reason I think it isn't read is that I had a bunch
 of configs that suddenly stoped to work, every single
 one of them. Yes, I tried to strip it down to but a
 single setting but I had no success confirming even a
 minimal .xpdfrc is read.
 
 My WM is openbox, but the desktop environment
 question is more tricky. I start X from ~/.zprofile
 with xinit in /dev/tty6 - then, in ~/.xinitrc I launch
 xterm with tmux. Maybe you can help me provide an
 answer to your own question by inspecting the output
 of 'pstree -A -s':

[Snip]

By desktop environment I meant GNOME, KDE etc.

 Here is the init [1] -

[Another snip]

Your .xpdfrc works fine in Wheezy but is not in testing or unstable. It
looks like #739271.

   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739271


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Re: xpdf(1) doesn't read ~/.xpdfrc

2014-11-09 Thread Emanuel Berg

Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes:

 By desktop environment I meant GNOME, KDE etc.

Yes, I know that GNOME and KDE are DEs but I don't
know what I use.

The only thing process-wise I have is this

$ ps -e | egrep -i '(gnome|kde)'
   17 ?00:00:00 kdevtmpfs

which I don't think is KDE related.

Do you know how to make a more to-the-point query as
to find out?

 Your .xpdfrc works fine in Wheezy but is not in
 testing or unstable. It looks like #739271.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739271

OK! It seems I have got Sid according to these lines

deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

in /etc/apt/sources.list

'uname -r' says 3.16-2-amd64, and aptitude says
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 is installed, so that means
I have the right kernel for xpdf version 3.03 (xpdf
-v), right?

So you are suggesting I downgrade xpdf in particular
to the Wheezy version?

Thank you!

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Re: [newbie] OpenVPN: {DNS, ping, ssh} work, HTTP fails

2014-11-09 Thread Mart van de Wege

Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com writes:

 summary: I have a routing problem on the server side of the VPN, as
 diagnosed by Mart van de Wege[1]: veel dank Mart! I hope to fix that
 problem using these linode instructions[2].

No problem, I remember tearing my hair out when I ran into this in the
past, at home and at work.

Routing over VPNs is always a headache.

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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread Miles Fidelman

golinux wrote:

On Sun, 11/9/14, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:

 Subject: Has the systemd fork already happened?
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Sunday, November 9, 2014, 8:04 AM

I just encountered a link about refracta.

Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing.  Its home
page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/

At http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3t=118319 it is described
as (for testing, without libsystemd0, it's pinned).

Anybody know more?  Does it use Debian's repositories?

Are there any other forks?

-- hendrik

Yes, Refracta is pure unmodified Debian and uses the Debian repos!   
As suggested, please join the forums and contribute expertise if 
possible.

And report back!  Those of us who are still waiting and seeing, and 
evaluating options might be interested.

Re. Refracta:  unfortunately for those of us looking for server-side 
solutions, Refracta defines itself as aimed at home users.

Miles Fidelman

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Re: Package system in odd state

Joel Roth wrote:
 Hi List,
 
 I just did an apt-get upgrade with sid, and now need
 some extra help to patch up the pieces :-/

Easily fixed by removing the conflicting file, see below:

 $ sudo apt-get install -f
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 Correcting dependencies... Done
 The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer 
 required:
   libinput3 libprotobuf8
 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
 The following extra packages will be installed:
   libgdbm3:i386
 The following packages will be upgraded:
   libgdbm3:i386
 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1192 not upgraded.
 235 not fully installed or removed.
 Need to get 0 B/31.2 kB of archives.
 After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
 Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
 (Reading database ... 292902 files and directories currently installed.)
 Preparing to unpack .../libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb ...
 Unpacking libgdbm3:i386 (1.8.3-13+b1) over (1.8.3-13) ...
 dpkg: error processing archive 
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb (--unpack):
  trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libgdbm3/changelog.Debian.gz', 
 which is different from other instances of package libgdbm3:i386

rm /usr/share/doc/libgdbm3/changelog.Debian.gz

Thanks :-)

 Errors were encountered while processing:
  /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-13+b1_i386.deb
 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

 
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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread tor...@riseup.net


Hendrik Boom wrote:

 I just encountered a link about refracta.

 Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing.  Its home 
 page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/

At  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3t=118319 it is
described 
as (for testing, without libsystemd0, it's pinned).

 Anybody know more?  Does it use Debian's repositories?

 Are there any other forks?

Having been the long time guinea pig i can give you my opinion.
It is so close to debian that i wouldn't even call it a distribution,
rather a respin, a configured version of Debian (with a few scripts,
one being an installer for liveCD's, one for creating respins too, and
a bit more). 

So yes: of course it uses the Debian repos. 

The workaround systemd is just a try, it might break at any time (aka
upgrade). iow: One might test it to help get it sorted, but not expect
something like a solution. 

One of them also repackaged a couple of apps (util-linux, cups, etc) ,
removing unecessary dependencies on systemd:
http://refracta.freeforums.org/going-with-the-systemd-flow-or-not-t422-70.html#p4115



I am not a big fan of such workarounds. It doesn't seem to make sense
to work against Debian all the time. If one doesn't want systemd, then
the solution is to leave. I mean: If you use Debian, then you use it
cause it is rock solid, aka stable. If you want to (have to) fiddle all
the time ... kinda beats the purpose. 

Like pointed out above: Those are my opinions, nothing official from
refracta. 


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Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-09 Thread Peter Nieman


On 09/11/14 14:57, Hendrik Boom wrote:

I wish all desktops had systematic, transparent, naive-user-accessible
ways of identifying what packages or programs are invoked by menu items.


One of the key characteristics of desktop environments is to conceal 
this and make everything look the same.


p.


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Installing Android development software

2014-11-09 Thread Steve Greig

I thought I would try and build an Android app and see that you have
to download and install some software:
adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702.zip


Before doing this (I often find installs go wrong) I was wondering if
it is possible to do it using apt which I have had some success with.


Would be very grateful for any insight into this. Basically  I don't
really know how to see what software is available to me via apt. I am
running Wheezy.


Best wishes from Steve


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Re: xpdf(1) doesn't read ~/.xpdfrc

On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 17:31:04 +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:

 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes:
 
  By desktop environment I meant GNOME, KDE etc.
 
 Yes, I know that GNOME and KDE are DEs but I don't
 know what I use.
 
 The only thing process-wise I have is this
 
 $ ps -e | egrep -i '(gnome|kde)'
17 ?00:00:00 kdevtmpfs
 
 which I don't think is KDE related.
 
 Do you know how to make a more to-the-point query as
 to find out?

It isn't important in the context of xpdf's behaviour and it doesn't
appear you have any of them. But you could try 'dpkg - | grep -i xfce',
for example.

  Your .xpdfrc works fine in Wheezy but is not in
  testing or unstable. It looks like #739271.
 
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739271
 
 OK! It seems I have got Sid according to these lines
 
 deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
 deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
 
 in /etc/apt/sources.list
 
 'uname -r' says 3.16-2-amd64, and aptitude says
 linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 is installed, so that means
 I have the right kernel for xpdf version 3.03 (xpdf
 -v), right?
 
 So you are suggesting I downgrade xpdf in particular
 to the Wheezy version?

I am not; I was just pointing to a possible bug you have met. Actually,
it is very unlikely Wheezy's xpdf will install on unstable.


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Re: Installing Android development software

2014-11-09 Thread Patrick Wiseman

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Steve Greig greigst...@gmail.com wrote:
 I thought I would try and build an Android app and see that you have
 to download and install some software:
 adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702.zip


 Before doing this (I often find installs go wrong) I was wondering if
 it is possible to do it using apt which I have had some success with.


 Would be very grateful for any insight into this. Basically  I don't
 really know how to see what software is available to me via apt. I am
 running Wheezy.

Ever hear of Google? A quick search for 'debian package adt-bundle'
returned this:

http://christopherpoole.github.io/setting-up-the-adt-bundle-on-debian-wheezy/

Patrick


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Re: Mount order after systemd update

2014-11-09 Thread Martin Manns

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 05:10:02 +0100
Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org wrote:

 Which version of plymouth is that? Did you changed the default theme
 or something?

The plymouth version is plymouth_0.9.0-8.
Changing the theme to details helped.

Thank you.

Martin


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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread Hendrik Boom

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:40:47 +, Brian wrote:

 On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 14:04:59 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
 
 I just encountered a link about refracta.
 
 Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing.  Its home
 page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/
 
 Guess what? They have forum too. I bet they are avid to answer questions
 such as yours. :)

True.  But they're more  likely to give answers that match their party 
line.  I'll get to hear the other side here.

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Re: Installing Android development software

2014-11-09 Thread Marty


On 11/09/2014 12:50 PM, Steve Greig wrote:

I thought I would try and build an Android app and see that you have
to download and install some software:
adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702.zip


Before doing this (I often find installs go wrong) I was wondering if
it is possible to do it using apt which I have had some success with.


Only needed to setup i386 arch and ia32-libs, and a few others. Look for 
a recent guide on setting up the ADT bundle on Wheezy.



Would be very grateful for any insight into this. Basically  I don't
really know how to see what software is available to me via apt. I am
running Wheezy.


I've not had any problems, but you might what to look at Android Studio 
beta if your app is already based on gradle or you don't like eclipse.




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Re: network card bridging failing on wheezy

2014-11-09 Thread Gary Dale


On 09/11/14 05:27 AM, Christian Seiler wrote:

Am 08.11.2014 23:57, schrieb Gary Dale:

For some reason my network card bridging has failed after working
properly for many years.

My /etc/network/interfaces is:

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
iface eth0 inet manual
auto br0
iface br0 inet static
  address 192.168.1.14
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  broadcast 192.168.1.255
  gateway 192.168.1.1
  bridge_ports eth0
  bridge_stp off
  bridge_fd 0
  bridge_maxwait 0

  From a fresh boot, I get nothing running.

What does

  ip link show

and

  ip -4 addr show

say?

Note that in configurations where I use bridging, I don't have a 'iface
eth0 inet manual' line; since 'bridge_ports eth0' is set, this will
automatically activate 'eth0' as part of the bridge. But OTOH, I don't
see the harm that line can do...
That gets a little tricky if I do it after a fresh boot because I have 
no network running. However, in my current up and running state (eth0 
given the 192.168.1.14 IP) ifconfig returns


eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:24:1d:14:d8:42
  inet addr:192.168.1.14  Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: 2002:c654:a32b:0:224:1dff:fe14:d842/64 Scope:Global
  inet6 addr: fe80::224:1dff:fe14:d842/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:531054 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:535919 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:143598255 (136.9 MiB)  TX bytes:296648201 (282.9 MiB)
  Interrupt:41 Base address:0xe000

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:6945 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:6945 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:6807129 (6.4 MiB)  TX bytes:6807129 (6.4 MiB)

vnet0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr fe:54:00:40:68:c8
  inet6 addr: fe80::fc54:ff:fe40:68c8/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:4636 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:45 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:500
  RX bytes:575878 (562.3 KiB)  TX bytes:5876 (5.7 KiB)

ip link shows

1: lo: LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode 
DEFAULT group default

link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast 
state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000

link/ether 00:24:1d:14:d8:42 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
4: br0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN mode 
DEFAULT group default

link/ether fe:54:00:40:68:c8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
5: vnet0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast 
master br0 state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 500

link/ether fe:54:00:40:68:c8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

ip -4 addr shows

1: lo: LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
group default

inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast 
state UP group default qlen 1000

inet 192.168.1.14/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global eth0
4: br0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group 
default

inet 192.168.1.14/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global br0



If I bring up br0 (ifconfig
br0 up), it comes up with 192.168.122.1 whether I do it with eth0 up or
down.

This IP seems oddly familiar... Did you recently install libvirt?
Because that's the default IP for libvirt's default internal bridged
network (virbr0). Normally, that shouldn't interfere with the standard
bridge (different interface name), but maybe in your case, perhaps
because you edited your configuration?

(XML configuration under /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/, especially look
for symlinks in /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/autostart/. Note that if you
manually edit your libvirt configuration without virt-manager or virsh,
you first have to stop it, edit the configuration and then start it
again, else it will not work and be overwritten.)
I've had libvirt install for quite a while, I believe. I've been using 
kvm and virt-manager for years. There is a symlink (default.xml) that 
points to default.xml in the parent directory (using the full path 
name). That file does use the 192.168.122. address range.



Bringing up br0 with the 192.168.1.14 address leaves me with a machine
that can't connect or be connected to.

Is bridge-utils still installed? What does 'brctl show' say?

- Christian


brctl show returns

bridge name bridge id   STP enabled interfaces
br0 8000.fe54004068c8   yes vnet0


Subsequent to this, I changed the

Re: Installing Android development software

2014-11-09 Thread Steve Greig

Thanks!

Only needed to setup i386 arch and ia32-libs, and a few others.

I was reading about that on the link Patrick gave. It looks like it is
only required for the android emulator so I thought I might leave it
out initially as I can transfer the app to my android phone quite
easily to test it. I have made one android app before (I think on
Windows) and I remember I never got the emulator to work then (it was
ridiculously slow) but it didn't seem to matter too much as I kept
uploading the app to my phone to test it.

you might what to look at Android Studio beta if your app is already based on
gradle or you don't like eclipse.

I think I will go for the stable version first but probably should try
both at some time.

Steve

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
On 11/09/2014 12:50 PM, Steve Greig wrote:

I thought I would try and build an Android app and see that you have
to download and install some software:
adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702.zip

Before doing this (I often find installs go wrong) I was wondering if
it is possible to do it using apt which I have had some success with.

Only needed to setup i386 arch and ia32-libs, and a few others. Look for a
recent guide on setting up the ADT bundle on Wheezy.

Would be very grateful for any insight into this. Basically I don't
really know how to see what software is available to me via apt. I am
running Wheezy.

I've not had any problems, but you might what to look at Android Studio beta
if your app is already based on gradle or you don't like eclipse.

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Re: network card bridging failing on wheezy

2014-11-09 Thread Gary Dale


On 09/11/14 05:09 AM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:

Hi

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 05:57:41PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:

For some reason my network card bridging has failed after working
properly for many years.

My /etc/network/interfaces is:

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
iface eth0 inet manual
auto br0
iface br0 inet static
 address 192.168.1.14
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 broadcast 192.168.1.255
 gateway 192.168.1.1
 bridge_ports eth0
 bridge_stp off
 bridge_fd 0
 bridge_maxwait 0

 From a fresh boot, I get nothing running. If I bring up br0
(ifconfig br0 up), it comes up with 192.168.122.1 whether I do it
with eth0 up or down. Bringing up eth0 seems to produce the correct
results - a network interface with no IP, same as it always did.

Bringing up br0 with the 192.168.1.14 address leaves me with a
machine that can't connect or be connected to. However, if I drop
br0 and bring up eth0 with the address, things work, apart from the
lack of a gateway.

I can manually add a default gateway to the route. While this works,
running the route command takes a long time to come back with the
results. However my computer now connects and can be connected to.

Hm.. I don't see auto eth0 anywhere


auto eth0 would be incompatible with manual.


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Re: Preset freeze and release dates - was Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Du, 09 nov 14, 03:17:59, Bret Busby wrote:
 
 I do not know what version number was sarge, but, from memory,
 regarding Debian Linux 3 and 3.1, people complained and joked about
 the long time between releases, and how at that time, it was a It
 will happen when it happens, maybe in a year, maybe in two years kind
 of thing, but, those were what I would regard as the last stable
 versions of Debian Linux. Since then, it seems to have gone the way of
 MS Windows; Release date is coming, so we will release it then, ready
 or not, and so, each release since 3.1, has seemed to be simply a new
 testing version.
 
Only the freeze date is fixed, not the release date.
 
 And then, we have the policies of the package developers, who
 sometimes do not fix found bugs in versions of the packages that are
 available for the stable version of Debian Linux, but, fix the bugs,
 for the version of the package that will be made available for the
 next stable release of Debian Linux. That is one of the reasons that
 I gave up on Ekiga - problems were found, in trying to get it working,
 but, we were advised that the bugs have been found and dealt with,
 and the fixes will be available for the version that will come with
 the next release of Debian Linux; the next stable version of Debian
 Linux, but not for the then current stable version of Debian Linux,
 so no prospect of getting Ekiga working for the then stable version
 of Debian Linux, existed. So, we simply had to give up on some of the
 applications that came with Debian Linux, as the application
 developers determined that no need existed, to have a working version
 in the stable version of Debian Linux.

'stable' should not change, as much as possible. Even bugs will not be 
fixed unless they are serious and the fix is not too intrusive (because 
'stable' should not change).

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: network card bridging failing on wheezy

2014-11-09 Thread Christian Seiler

Am 09.11.2014 19:48, schrieb Gary Dale:
 This IP seems oddly familiar... Did you recently install libvirt?
 Because that's the default IP for libvirt's default internal bridged
 network (virbr0). Normally, that shouldn't interfere with the standard
 bridge (different interface name), but maybe in your case, perhaps
 because you edited your configuration?

 (XML configuration under /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/, especially look
 for symlinks in /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/autostart/. Note that if you
 manually edit your libvirt configuration without virt-manager or virsh,
 you first have to stop it, edit the configuration and then start it
 again, else it will not work and be overwritten.)
 I've had libvirt install for quite a while, I believe. I've been using 
 kvm and virt-manager for years. There is a symlink (default.xml) that 
 points to default.xml in the parent directory (using the full path 
 name). That file does use the 192.168.122. address range.

It appears to me as though libvirt is trying to manage br0 (i.e.
resetting it and adding the vnet0 interface to it), instead of the
default virbr0, and thus overriding the network setup of yours.

What's the contents of default.xml? Is that in any way modified?

Specifically, is the following entry there?

  bridge name=virbr0 /

(That is what is there by default.)

I suspect that there will be an entry like

  bridge name=br0 /

instead, which might cause your problems.

See:
http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/VirtualNetworking
http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking

In the latter page, you can see that for 'shared physical device', the
bridge setup is not done by libvirt itself (i.e. no network setup is
done in libvirt!), but rather by the distribution, and libvirt will
automatically detect that setup and provide the required options in the
host configuration for this.

So, for example, I have completely disabled the default.xml network
configuration in libvirt (no link in autostart/), and bridging still
works because libvirt detects the bridge set up by Debian's network
configuration; in the NIC settings of a virtual machine in virt-manager
I can just say 'Source device: Specify shared device name' and put in
'Bridge name: br0', and then that just works. The 'default' internal
network (corresponding to virbr0) is marked as inactive.

 brctl show returns
 
 bridge name bridge id   STP enabled interfaces
 br0 8000.fe54004068c8   yes vnet0

Yes, here we can see that only vnet0 is part of the br0 bridge, and
vnet0 is the tun/tap/whatever device that libvirt uses for a running guest.

 Subsequent to this, I changed the default.xml package to use my local 
 subnet addresses. When I rebooted, the br0 IP was correct but nothing 
 else was up. Even after bringing up lo and eth0 and adding a default 
 gateway, my machine was still not reachable on the network.

Yes, of course, because eth0 is not part of your br0 device at that
point. If in that configuration you want the bridge to include eth0, you
could in principle do 'brctl addif br0 eth0' to add eth0 to the bridge,
but you don't want to do that at this stage, because libvirt still
thinks it's responsible for that device and bad things[tm] can happen if
you try to override that without fixing the underlying problem.

- Christian


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Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-09 Thread shawn wilson

On Nov 9, 2014 4:46 AM, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 05:38:59PM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
  What part of we don't want systemd on any of our systems don't you
  get?  If we don't want it, we won't be testing it.

 There's still plenty of work to be done testing upgrade paths for
sysvinit;
 improving systemd-shim; patching d-i so that you can preseed a
systemd-free
 install; no shortage of places to constructively apply yourself.


Right, as well, to be a part of a community means going with the flow when
the community heads a certain direction.

Just for the record, I'm split on systemd -I generally like the idea, don't
like how its been pushed out, and think there should be non-systemd
packages wherever possible.

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-09 Thread shawn wilson

On Nov 8, 2014 12:24 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
wrote:

 Mart van de Wege wrote:

 Slavko li...@slavino.sk writes:

 Ahoj,

 Dňa Sat, 08 Nov 2014 16:03:46 +0100 Mart van de Wege
 mvdw...@gmail.com napísal:

 Why don't the anti-systemd people do what they've been threatening the
 whole time and fuck off to another distro or to FreeBSD?

 This is exact example why i stopped all my contribution to Debian, and
 i will not start it again, despite if i stay with Debian in future or
 not! I orphan my packages in near future.

 If the community consider people which have another opinion as bad, it
 is time do not contribute to it more. And whole debate is about one
 idea: If you don't like systemd, you are stupid.

 I consider people that bring nothing else but their opinion to the table
 as lesser than people who do the actual development, yes. In this
 discussion at least.

 If you can't even be bothered to set up a test server to look at
 systemd, but instead foul up the mailing lists creating a climate where
 threats to the actual developers become normal, then you can sod off. I
 wouldn't trust you to sit the right way on a toilet seat.


 So you're saying that reading specs, documentation, install reports, bug
reports, qa threads about specific problems, and so forth, are not useful
ways to evaluate technology?  Where I come from, that's called doing one's
homework.


If that's suggesting those supplant actual testing. If you're
suggesting docs should be considered *as well*, absolutely.

Re: network card bridging failing on wheezy

2014-11-09 Thread Gary Dale


On 09/11/14 02:34 PM, Christian Seiler wrote:

Am 09.11.2014 19:48, schrieb Gary Dale:

This IP seems oddly familiar... Did you recently install libvirt?
Because that's the default IP for libvirt's default internal bridged
network (virbr0). Normally, that shouldn't interfere with the standard
bridge (different interface name), but maybe in your case, perhaps
because you edited your configuration?

(XML configuration under /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/, especially look
for symlinks in /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/autostart/. Note that if you
manually edit your libvirt configuration without virt-manager or virsh,
you first have to stop it, edit the configuration and then start it
again, else it will not work and be overwritten.)

I've had libvirt install for quite a while, I believe. I've been using
kvm and virt-manager for years. There is a symlink (default.xml) that
points to default.xml in the parent directory (using the full path
name). That file does use the 192.168.122. address range.

It appears to me as though libvirt is trying to manage br0 (i.e.
resetting it and adding the vnet0 interface to it), instead of the
default virbr0, and thus overriding the network setup of yours.

What's the contents of default.xml? Is that in any way modified?

Specifically, is the following entry there?

   bridge name=virbr0 /

(That is what is there by default.)

I suspect that there will be an entry like

   bridge name=br0 /

instead, which might cause your problems.

See:
http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/VirtualNetworking
http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking

In the latter page, you can see that for 'shared physical device', the
bridge setup is not done by libvirt itself (i.e. no network setup is
done in libvirt!), but rather by the distribution, and libvirt will
automatically detect that setup and provide the required options in the
host configuration for this.

So, for example, I have completely disabled the default.xml network
configuration in libvirt (no link in autostart/), and bridging still
works because libvirt detects the bridge set up by Debian's network
configuration; in the NIC settings of a virtual machine in virt-manager
I can just say 'Source device: Specify shared device name' and put in
'Bridge name: br0', and then that just works. The 'default' internal
network (corresponding to virbr0) is marked as inactive.

You're right. Here's my default.xml (I only changed the addresses):

root@TheLibrarian:/home/garydale# cat /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/default.xml
network
  namedefault/name
  bridge name=br0 /
  forward/
  ip address=192.168.1.14 netmask=255.255.255.0
dhcp
  range start=192.168.1.32 end=192.168.1.38 /
/dhcp
  /ip
/network

However when I removed the link to default.xml, I ended up with no 
network starting. Nor could I bring up br0. lo and eth0 could still be 
brought up manually and a gateway added.






brctl show returns

bridge name bridge id   STP enabled interfaces
br0 8000.fe54004068c8   yes vnet0

Yes, here we can see that only vnet0 is part of the br0 bridge, and
vnet0 is the tun/tap/whatever device that libvirt uses for a running guest.
It only shows up when I try to run a guest, but still not networking on 
the virtual machine.





Subsequent to this, I changed the default.xml package to use my local
subnet addresses. When I rebooted, the br0 IP was correct but nothing
else was up. Even after bringing up lo and eth0 and adding a default
gateway, my machine was still not reachable on the network.

Yes, of course, because eth0 is not part of your br0 device at that
point. If in that configuration you want the bridge to include eth0, you
could in principle do 'brctl addif br0 eth0' to add eth0 to the bridge,
but you don't want to do that at this stage, because libvirt still
thinks it's responsible for that device and bad things[tm] can happen if
you try to override that without fixing the underlying problem.

But what is the underlying problem? It looks like the networking isn't 
being brought up during boot, but I'm seeing dmesg output like:


[  199.542096] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded
[  199.542153] r8169 :02:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[  199.542198] r8169 :02:00.0: irq 41 for MSI/MSI-X
[  199.542594] r8169 :02:00.0: eth0: RTL8168c/8111c at 
0xc9c0e000, 00:24:1d:14:d8:42, XID 1c4000c0 IRQ 41
[  199.542596] r8169 :02:00.0: eth0: jumbo features [frames: 6128 
bytes, tx checksumming: ko]


and
[  226.160653] tun: Universal TUN/TAP device driver, 1.6
[  226.160660] tun: (C) 1999-2004 Max Krasnyansky m...@qualcomm.com


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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread Doug


On 11/09/2014 11:38 AM, tor...@riseup.net wrote:


Hendrik Boom wrote:


I just encountered a link about refracta.



Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing.  Its home
page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/



At  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3t=118319 it is
described
as (for testing, without libsystemd0, it's pinned).



Anybody know more?  Does it use Debian's repositories?



Are there any other forks?


Having been the long time guinea pig i can give you my opinion.
It is so close to debian that i wouldn't even call it a distribution,
rather a respin, a configured version of Debian (with a few scripts,
one being an installer for liveCD's, one for creating respins too, and
a bit more).

So yes: of course it uses the Debian repos.

The workaround systemd is just a try, it might break at any time (aka
upgrade). iow: One might test it to help get it sorted, but not expect
something like a solution.

One of them also repackaged a couple of apps (util-linux, cups, etc) ,
removing unecessary dependencies on systemd:
http://refracta.freeforums.org/going-with-the-systemd-flow-or-not-t422-70.html#p4115



I am not a big fan of such workarounds. It doesn't seem to make sense
to work against Debian all the time. If one doesn't want systemd, then
the solution is to leave. I mean: If you use Debian, then you use it
cause it is rock solid, aka stable. If you want to (have to) fiddle all
the time ... kinda beats the purpose.

Like pointed out above: Those are my opinions, nothing official from
refracta.


I think it might be worthwhile to consider some other derivative distros:
I don't mean consider them _instead_ of Refracta, I mean consider how
they work and exist. I'm thinking particularly of Mint, which uses a
lot of Ubuntu, and its repos. Isn't Refracta a similar situation?
(And one hopes that Mint also will reject systemd. We shall see.)

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Re: network card bridging failing on wheezy

2014-11-09 Thread Christian Seiler

Am 09.11.2014 21:13, schrieb Gary Dale:
 You're right. Here's my default.xml (I only changed the addresses):
 
 root@TheLibrarian:/home/garydale# cat /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/default.xml
 network
namedefault/name
bridge name=br0 /
forward/
ip address=192.168.1.14 netmask=255.255.255.0
  dhcp
range start=192.168.1.32 end=192.168.1.38 /
  /dhcp
/ip
 /network
 
 However when I removed the link to default.xml, I ended up with no 
 network starting. Nor could I bring up br0. lo and eth0 could still be 
 brought up manually and a gateway added.

Then it appears to be the case that Debian's networking scripts are not
started at boot. (Then it's also no wonder why you can't bring up br0,
because it doesn't exist yet, you'd have to create it with 'brctl addbr
br0' first, if you really wanted to use 'br0'.)

Could you post the contents of your /etc/default/networking?
Specifically, it should have either no explicit settings (everything
commented out) or the following settings (which are default):

CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=yes
EXCLUDE_INTERFACES=  # (empty)

You're under Wheezy, so I'm assuming sysvinit + LSB, could you also
check whether the networking script is started at boot?

ls -l /etc/rc*.d/S??networking

(should turn up a single link in /etc/rcS.d)

If both is the way it should be, could you perhaps set VERBOSE=yes in
/etc/default/networking and look for any relevant boot messages? Not
dmesg/syslog, but on the console.[1]

Also, might be relevant: did you install any software that might take
over network configuration? Such as NetworkManager or wicd or the such?

 But what is the underlying problem? It looks like the networking isn't 
 being brought up during boot, but I'm seeing dmesg output like:
 
 [  199.542096] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded
 [  199.542153] r8169 :02:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
 [  199.542198] r8169 :02:00.0: irq 41 for MSI/MSI-X
 [  199.542594] r8169 :02:00.0: eth0: RTL8168c/8111c at 
 0xc9c0e000, 00:24:1d:14:d8:42, XID 1c4000c0 IRQ 41
 [  199.542596] r8169 :02:00.0: eth0: jumbo features [frames: 6128 
 bytes, tx checksumming: ko]

That just seems to load the corresponding driver, probably once udev is
loaded at boot,[*] but doesn't appear to actually bring it up (no 'link
is up' or similar message).

[*] Although 200s seems a bit late for that, udev should load
immediately after the root filesystem is mounted, could you check when
that happened? If it's just a couple of seconds before the 199.54s,
that's fine (then the kernel just takes a long time to initialize, maybe
because of RAID/SCSI/SAS/... controller?) but if there's quite a gap
between the mounting of the root filesystem and the loading of the
network driver (with no additional drivers that take a long time probing
in between), that would also be strange, and a potential source of problem.

 and
 [  226.160653] tun: Universal TUN/TAP device driver, 1.6
 [  226.160660] tun: (C) 1999-2004 Max Krasnyansky m...@qualcomm.com

That indicates that the tun driver is loaded, probably once libvirt is
started. That has no bearing on your host's network configuration.

- Christian

[1] If boot goes to fast for you, you could add the following script to
/etc/network/if-up.d/zz-wait (make it executable):

#!/bin/sh
[ x$IFACE = xlo ]  return
echo
echo $IFACE should be configured now...
echo  (sleeping for a while)
echo
sleep 20

(Replace the 20 with however many seconds you might need to see the
messages.)


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Re: xpdf(1) doesn't read ~/.xpdfrc

2014-11-09 Thread Emanuel Berg

Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes:

 It isn't important in the context of xpdf's
 behaviour ...

That's what I thought :) But you asked, and by all
means it could be interesting to find out...

 ... and it doesn't appear you have any of them. But
 you could try 'dpkg - | grep -i xfce', for example.

That gives me dpkg: error: need an action option.

 I am not; I was just pointing to a possible bug you
 have met. Actually, it is very unlikely Wheezy's
 xpdf will install on unstable.

You are right, that didn't work. It says there is
something wrong with libfontconfig1, but downgrading
that as well had aptitude suggesting removing two
thirds of my system, so I won't do that.

I'll grep the web for the xpdf homepage, perhaps I can
compile it from a more recent tarball than the Debian
package, in which this bug has been fixed...

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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 18:19:21 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:40:47 +, Brian wrote:
 
  On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 14:04:59 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
  
  I just encountered a link about refracta.
  
  Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing.  Its home
  page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/
  
  Guess what? They have forum too. I bet they are avid to answer questions
  such as yours. :)
 
 True.  But they're more  likely to give answers that match their party 
 line.  I'll get to hear the other side here.

So questions and comments specific to Refracta should be directed to a
Debian list to avoid their party line. I suppose it follows that similar
questions and comments specific to Debian are better put on the Refracta
forum to sidestep any possible biased answers from here.

Come to think of it, such a strategy could benefit -user by leading to a
great reduction in init focussed discussion traffic. :)


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Re: useradd segmentation fault

2014-11-09 Thread Joris Bolsens

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On 11/08/2014 03:43 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:

 No, just don't send the whole core dump itself (the file called
 core) to the BTS (or this mailing list). It almost certainly has
 your machine ldap password in it.
that makes sense, wont do that, thanks.

 You should at least have the symbols for libnss-ldap... can you
 check the output of nm -a for that library to make sure it actually
 has the debugging symbols?
Where do i find the object file for libnss-ldap? I tried running nm -a
on pretty much every file I could find with libnss-ldap in the name
and it said it didn't recognize the file type.
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Re: useradd segmentation fault

2014-11-09 Thread Don Armstrong

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014, Joris Bolsens wrote:
 Where do i find the object file for libnss-ldap? I tried running nm -a
 on pretty much every file I could find with libnss-ldap in the name
 and it said it didn't recognize the file type.

It should be symlinked from /lib64/libnss_ldap.so.2 or
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ and nm -Da or similar should do it.


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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread John Hasler

tornow writes:
 I am not a big fan of such workarounds. It doesn't seem to make sense
 to work against Debian all the time. If one doesn't want systemd, then
 the solution is to leave. I mean: If you use Debian, then you use it
 cause it is rock solid, aka stable.

Except that many are concerned (not unjustifiably, IMHO) that wholesale
adoption of Systemd will liquify that rock.
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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread Curt

On 2014-11-09, tor...@riseup.net tor...@riseup.net wrote:

 Are there any other forks?

 Having been the long time guinea pig i can give you my opinion.
 It is so close to debian that i wouldn't even call it a distribution,
 rather a respin, a configured version of Debian (with a few scripts,
 one being an installer for liveCD's, one for creating respins too, and
 a bit more).

I think they call it a spoon rather than a fork.


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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread Ron

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 15:00:24 -0500
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:


  Like pointed out above: Those are my opinions, nothing official from
  refracta.

 I think it might be worthwhile to consider some other derivative distros:
 I don't mean consider them _instead_ of Refracta, I mean consider how
 they work and exist. I'm thinking particularly of Mint, which uses a
 lot of Ubuntu, and its repos. Isn't Refracta a similar situation?
 (And one hopes that Mint also will reject systemd. We shall see.)

From what I read on their forum 
http://refracta.freeforums.org/systemd-t376.html if Debian goes to systemd they 
will follow suit.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

On Sun, 11/9/14, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:

 Subject: Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Sunday, November 9, 2014, 2:00 PM

I think it might be worthwhile to consider some other derivative 
distros:

I don't mean consider them _instead_ of Refracta, I mean consider how
they work and exist. I'm thinking particularly of Mint, which uses a
lot of Ubuntu, and its repos. Isn't Refracta a similar situation?
(And one hopes that Mint also will reject systemd. We shall see.)

--doug

Please do  little research before opening mouth and inserting foot. 
There is no comparison between Refracta and bloated offerings like 
Ubuntu or Mint.  In fact, it is downright insulting.  In case you missed 
it, Refracta is a respin NOT a derivative distro.

golinux

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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

On Sun, 11/9/14, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Sunday, November 9, 2014, 12:19 PM

 On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:40:47 +,
 Brian wrote:

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:40:47 +, Brian wrote:

On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 14:04:59 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

I just encountered a link about refracta.

Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing.  Its home
page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/

Guess what? They have forum too. I bet they are avid to answer 
questions

such as yours. :)

True.  But they're more  likely to give answers that match their party
line.  I'll get to hear the other side here.

-- hendrik

Hahahaha!!  That's pretty funny.  There is no 'party line' over at 
Refracta. Just geeks doing their thing . . .

golinux

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grub-pc update causes mount hang

Hi list,

I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes
to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU 
and causes these processes to hang:

10064 pts/1S  0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/os-probes/50mounted-tests /dev/sda4
10075 pts/1R  7:33 mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sda4 
/var/lib/os-prober/mount

fdisk -l /dev/sda returns:

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x27b11b56

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda12048 2459647 12288007  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda2   * 24596487618022436860288+   7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda37618022584357314 4088545   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda484357315   625139711   270391198+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda584357378   11507359315358108   83  Linux
/dev/sda6   115073658   534504057   209715200   83  Linux
/dev/sda7   534504059   60465446535075203+  83  Linux
/dev/sda8   604659712   62513971110247  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

I would like to find out what (if anything) is wrong with
mount or with my disk partition.

Any advice would be very welcome.

Thanks for your help!

Joel



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Re: grub-pc update causes mount hang

Joel Roth wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes
 to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU 
 and causes these processes to hang:
 
 10064 pts/1S  0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/os-probes/50mounted-tests 
 /dev/sda4
 10075 pts/1R  7:33 mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sda4 
 /var/lib/os-prober/mount
 
 fdisk -l /dev/sda returns:
 
 Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
 Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 Disk identifier: 0x27b11b56
 
Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sda12048 2459647 12288007  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
 /dev/sda2   * 24596487618022436860288+   7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
 /dev/sda37618022584357314 4088545   82  Linux swap / Solaris
 /dev/sda484357315   625139711   270391198+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
 /dev/sda584357378   11507359315358108   83  Linux
 /dev/sda6   115073658   534504057   209715200   83  Linux
 /dev/sda7   534504059   60465446535075203+  83  Linux
 /dev/sda8   604659712   62513971110247  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
 
 I would like to find out what (if anything) is wrong with
 mount or with my disk partition.

Here are some diagnostics from dmesg:

[ 1317.697620] INFO: task mount:19672 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[ 1317.697623] echo 0  /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs disables this 
message.
[ 1317.697625] mount   D 880137d13740 0 19672  19662 0x
[ 1317.697629]  88012fe818d0 0086 8801 
880133369610
[ 1317.697632]  00013740 8800af8a5fd8 8800af8a5fd8 
88012fe818d0
[ 1317.697635]  880133747cc0 0001 88012fe28400 
880130d1f868
[ 1317.697638] Call Trace:
[ 1317.697646]  [8134ab67] ? rwsem_down_failed_common+0xe0/0x114
[ 1317.697672]  [810fa97b] ? set_bdev_super+0x2a/0x2a
[ 1317.697674]  [810fa951] ? ns_test_super+0xd/0xd
[ 1317.697678]  [811b26d3] ? call_rwsem_down_write_failed+0x13/0x20
[ 1317.697681]  [8134a4d4] ? down_write+0x25/0x27
[ 1317.697685]  [810fb11f] ? sget+0xb5/0x3d1
[ 1317.697691]  [81036457] ? should_resched+0x5/0x23
[ 1317.697708]  [a02405c4] ? ext4_remount+0x547/0x547 [ext4]
[ 1317.697711]  [810fb54e] ? mount_bdev+0x9b/0x1ac
[ 1317.697715]  [810eb57b] ? __kmalloc_track_caller+0xfe/0x110
[ 1317.697720]  [810fbe63] ? mount_fs+0x61/0x146
[ 1317.697727]  [8110ef0a] ? vfs_kern_mount+0x5f/0x99
[ 1317.697731]  [8110f2f4] ? do_kern_mount+0x49/0xd8
[ 1317.697733]  [8111096f] ? do_mount+0x660/0x6c6
[ 1317.697738]  [810c8a3e] ? memdup_user+0x36/0x5b
[ 1317.697740]  [81110c7d] ? sys_mount+0x88/0xc3
[ 1317.697743]  [8134fb92] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b

:)
 
 Any advice would be very welcome.
 
 Thanks for your help!
 
 Joel
 
 
 
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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

On Sun, 11/9/14, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:

 Subject: Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Cc: dmcgarr...@optonline.net
 Date: Sunday, November 9, 2014, 2:58 PM

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 15:00:24 -0500
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:

 Like pointed out above: Those are my opinions, nothing official from
 refracta.

I think it might be worthwhile to consider some other derivative 
distros:

I don't mean consider them _instead_ of Refracta, I mean consider how
they work and exist. I'm thinking particularly of Mint, which uses a
lot of Ubuntu, and its repos. Isn't Refracta a similar situation?
(And one hopes that Mint also will reject systemd. We shall see.)

From what I read on their forum 
http://refracta.freeforums.org/systemd-t376.html if Debian goes to 
systemd they will follow   suit.

Cheers,

Ron.

You might want to look at the date of that thread.  That offering was 
from February with the last post in March.  Much has changed since then.

http://refracta.freeforums.org/going-with-the-systemd-flow-or-not-t422.html
http://refracta.freeforums.org/proto-refracta-jessie-with-sysvinit-t440.html

Those guys won't give up without a hell of a fight - they are idealistic 
and very stubborn. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the end of Refracta 
if they don't succeed.  (And that would put me into mourning.  :(  )

golinux

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Re: grub-pc update causes mount hang

2014-11-09 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2014-11-09 22:46 +0100, Joel Roth wrote:

 I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes
 to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU 
 and causes these processes to hang:

 10064 pts/1S  0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/os-probes/50mounted-tests 
 /dev/sda4
 10075 pts/1R  7:33 mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sda4 
 /var/lib/os-prober/mount

According to fdisk output, /dev/sda4 is an extended partition and thus
cannot be mounted.  I wonder why os-prober tries to do that anyway, and
why mount does not fail rather than hang.

Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sda12048 2459647 12288007  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
 /dev/sda2   * 24596487618022436860288+   7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
 /dev/sda37618022584357314 4088545   82  Linux swap / Solaris
 /dev/sda484357315   625139711   270391198+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
 /dev/sda584357378   11507359315358108   83  Linux
 /dev/sda6   115073658   534504057   209715200   83  Linux
 /dev/sda7   534504059   60465446535075203+  83  Linux
 /dev/sda8   604659712   62513971110247  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 03:20:30PM -0600, golinux wrote:
 Please do  little research before opening mouth and inserting foot.
 There is no comparison between Refracta and bloated offerings like
 Ubuntu or Mint.  In fact, it is downright insulting.  In case you
 missed it, Refracta is a respin NOT a derivative distro.

There's no need to be so harsh. You are over-reacting. Doug's comparison to
Mint was simply to compare the way Mint derives from Ubuntu to the way Refracta
derives from Debian, and that seems perfectly reasonable to me. Please assume
good faith from fellow members on debian-user.


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Re: grub-pc update causes mount hang