Re: Newer mutt in stable

[Andre Majorel]

On 2016-07-26 18:35 +0200, Nemeth Gyorgy wrote:
> 2016-07-26 14:38 keltezéssel, Andre Majorel írta:
> >This will be the next step. Good point about build dependencies,
> >will need to find a way around that. I have a feeling that brute
> >force will be involved.
>
> or you can use apt-get build-dep command.

Wouldn't that install the new versions of the dependencies ?
Because that is exactly what I'm trying to avoid and the main
reason for building from source.

-- 
André Majorel 
"Of course the Debian project would never publish my email address !
Do you think they're stupid ? Spammers would harvest it."

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016, at 19:05, David Wright wrote:
> 
> One issue though: I have a useful laptop that has a nifty 686 (AIUI)
> Pentium M processor, but I have to run linux-image-3.16.0-4-586 on it
> because it lacks the PAE.  (It has SSE/SSE2.)  Do you know whether
> stretch will cater for non-PAE processors?  Or is this no more than
> a kernel issue which doesn't involve package builds, as appears to
> be the case in jessie?

You have a Banias-class Pentium M.  All Pentium Ms support PAE.  But
due to a microcode bug, the Banias-class Pentium Ms do not report their
PAE capability in the output of the CPUID instruction.  A *-686-pae kernel
will run just fine on a Banias-class Pentium M, but you must supply the
"forcepae" kernel boot parameter to get it to work.  I have such a machine
myself, so I know from experience.

Note that stretch supports both *-686 and *-686-pae kernels.  You don't
necessarily *need* to run a PAE kernel.  Some prefer to run a non-PAE kernel
because it's easier on the memory requirements.  But the processor must
support the Pentium Pro instruction set, which all Pentium Ms do.

-- 
  .''`. Stephen Powell
 : :'  :
 `. `'`
   `-

Mate problems

[Frank McCormick]

I am running Debian Stretch/Sid on AMD64 and noticed for the first time 
a problem with a Mate application. The Mate accounts dialog won't run 
because it detects gtk2 on the system.



(mate-accountsdialog:12108): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. 
Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported

Trace/breakpoint trap


Does anyone else have this problem ? Is there a way to fix it?

Thanks

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[David Wright]

On Tue 26 Jul 2016 at 22:28:24 (+0200), Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2016-07-26 15:04 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > Does this mean that the days of running Debian on an old box in the
> > corner are now numbered, or should a bug be filed against making
> > such apt-related packages depend on such "modern" extensions.
> 
> A 686-class processor is required for stretch, see
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg1.html.

Thanks for that reference. The line
"[unsupported in stretch] Intel Pentium, Pentium with MMX"
is perhaps a little bald, but I assume that that means that
everything from Pentium Pro upwards should be supported.

One issue though: I have a useful laptop that has a nifty 686 (AIUI)
Pentium M processor but I have to run linux-image-3.16.0-4-586 on it
because it lacks the PAE. (It has SSE/SSE2.) Do you know whether
stretch will cater for non-PAE processors? Or is this no more than
a kernel issue which doesn't involve package builds, as appears to
be the case in jessie?

Cheers,
David.

Re: Instralling from offline sources: broadcom

[Richard Owlett]

On 7/26/2016 4:24 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:

I need to install the broadcom-wl wireless adaptor drivers.  I
have no connection to the internet on this new installation.  So
it's either this or tethering the iphone to get this package
installed.[snip]


Might apt-offline address some of your issues?

Instralling from offline sources: broadcom

[Alan E. Davis]

I need to install the broadcom-wl wireless adaptor drivers.  I have no
connection to the internet on this new installation.  So it's either this
or tethering the iphone to get this package installed.

Both of these pathways require a plethora of steps to install various
dependencies for dependencies.  I was a debian user in the early 90s, and
remember alarm at the penchant of devels to split everything into packages;
now I can remembery why

Anyway, I need build-depends.  Make, of all things, is one of the most
difficult things to install.

I have installed stretch.  Up to this point, it's a fantastic process of
installation.  As of now, several problems have kept me back.

1.  I used a usb of HD medium, so many packages are on this usb drive, but
it's beyond me how to get apt-get to recognize the USB drive as a rep, and
go ahead and complete the update.  Probably I need a list of packages.

2.  I cannot find make on this USB drive in pool.

3.  I cannot find patch on this USB drive.

4.  Individually I have installed a bunch of development packages.

5.  Tethering is a huge problem because of ifuse, I think, and other
dependency hells.

This is enough for now.  I would very much appreciate some advice on any of
these topics.  Once I have broadcom-wl installed it's all downhill I think.

I do have the package, but the dependencies are driving me bats.

Thank you.

Alan Davis

-- 
[I do not] carry such information in my mind since it is readily
available in books. …The value of a college education is not the
learning of many facts but the training of the mind to think.
  ---Albert Einstein



"Sweet instruments hung up in cases. . . keep their sounds to themselves."

 ---Shakespeare, _Timon of Athens_

Re: Jessie does not boot (GRUB2 complains with "mduuid not found"

[deloptes]

Daniel Guillermo Bareiro wrote:

> Hi all!
> 
> Currently I have an old machine without hardware virtualization
> support, which I was using for testing using Jessie i686 and LXC.
> 
> I tried to migrate that installation to amd64 architecture but
> things did not went as well as I would have liked and I had to
> reinstalling the operating system using on this time an amd64
> netinstall CD.
> 
> The idea was to re-install without losing the containers I had
> created. After finishing the installation process, GRUB failed
> to boot with this message:
> 
> 
> error: failure reading sector 0xb30 from 'fd0'
> error: disk "mduuid/9c7c52338a6635c48476b6866bc3c650' not found.
> Entering rescue mode...
> grub rescue>
> 
> 
> This makes me think GRUB is not finding the /boot directory. To
> verify the ID for each block device, I've booted using SystemRescueCD:
> 
> 
> root@sysresccd /root % blkid
> /dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs"
> /dev/sr0: UUID="2015-03-28-11-54-44-00" LABEL="sysrcd-4.5.2"
> TYPE="iso9660" /dev/sda1: UUID="36f333b2-e97c-34c7-69b3-4d7d79d4ef36"
> UUID_SUB="0a564f8c-ffee-ac2d-811c-498401bb8a77" LABEL="sirius:3"
> TYPE="linux_raid_member" PARTUUID="1d6fc95d-01" /dev/sda2:
> UUID="ad9c38fd-9b82-76b8-7850-b853ef9b86dc"
> UUID_SUB="a30ad913-4bec-f459-d7a4-ae18ebe759cc" LABEL="sirius:4"
> TYPE="linux_raid_member" PARTUUID="1d6fc95d-02" /dev/sda4:
> UUID="4d970b31-5e9f-82c0-a4f4-aadef688448c"
> UUID_SUB="33983814-e607-a00f-d60f-fa6a7bc5f869" LABEL="sysresccd:2"
> TYPE="linux_raid_member" PARTUUID="1d6fc95d-04" /dev/md3:
> UUID="104825f4-fde8-4e7a-ada4-336990c8b28b" TYPE="swap" /dev/md4:
> UUID="dbe3b076-a909-490a-a158-bfec8be698a9" TYPE="ext4" /dev/md2:
> UUID="aH6UpU-85RX-0qPt-eQVO-n2Uu-9lNU-wYnGV4" TYPE="LVM2_member"
> /dev/mapper/vms-gaviola--disk: UUID="aaa331dd-b687-4d10-80dc-f04b8931703c"
> TYPE="reiserfs" /dev/mapper/vms-pgsql--odoo--disk:
> UUID="5a2ac84f-02e1-471a-99d2-f9a67c174471" TYPE="reiserfs"
> /dev/mapper/vms-odoo2--disk: UUID="c56ab66a-c24e-4580-85c6-a48c7616830d"
> TYPE="reiserfs" /dev/mapper/vms-var:
> UUID="07eeb0ba-01be-4d4d-b56d-12e8d407725e" TYPE="ext4"
> /dev/mapper/vms-rootfs: UUID="9eaf8339-8bee-4e80-b5f6-0aa5780c9bf5"
> TYPE="ext4" /dev/mapper/vms-democracyos--disk:
> UUID="79796c37-5488-4cba-9447-4686570ecfbe" TYPE="ext4"
> /dev/mapper/vms-democracy--disk:
> UUID="ce17bc94-10fc-4ef6-be6c-df111de54d5c" TYPE="ext4"
> 
> 
> This is the correspondence with the MD devices:
> 
> md2 => LVM physical volume.
> md3 => swap
> md4 => /boot
> 
> 
> root@sysresccd /root % cat /proc/mdstat
> Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5]
> [raid4] [raid10] md2 : active raid1 sda4[3]
>   485224512 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U]
> 
> md4 : active raid1 sda2[0]
>   2045952 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [U_]
> 
> md3 : active raid1 sda1[0]
>   979392 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [U_]
> 
> unused devices: 
> 
> 
> Note: For now it is a single disk, but then I will add another.
> 
> Then I mounted the file systems...
> 
> 
> root@sysresccd /root % mount /dev/vms/rootfs /mnt
> root@sysresccd /root % mount /dev/md4 /mnt/boot
> root@sysresccd /root % mount /dev/vms/var /mnt/var
> root@sysresccd /root % mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
> root@sysresccd /root % mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
> root@sysresccd /root % mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc
> root@sysresccd /root % mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
> 
> root@sysresccd /root % chroot /mnt /bin/bash
> 
> 
> ... to see the IDs for block devices configured in GRUB:
> 
> 
> root@sysresccd:~# grep mduuid /boot/grub/grub.cfg
> set root='mduuid/ad9c38fd9b8276b87850b853ef9b86dc'
>   search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
>   --hint='mduuid/ad9c38fd9b8276b87850b853ef9b86dc' 
>   dbe3b076-a909-490a-a158-bfec8be698a9
> set root='mduuid/ad9c38fd9b8276b87850b853ef9b86dc'
>   search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
>   --hint='mduuid/ad9c38fd9b8276b87850b853ef9b86dc' 
>   dbe3b076-a909-490a-a158-bfec8be698a9
> set root='mduuid/ad9c38fd9b8276b87850b853ef9b86dc'
>   search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
>   --hint='mduuid/ad9c38fd9b8276b87850b853ef9b86dc' 
>   dbe3b076-a909-490a-a158-bfec8be698a9
> --

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 26 July 2016 18:47:11 Johann Klammer wrote:
> On 07/26/2016 04:50 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > Telling us your requirements, will make making a recommendation easier.
>
> I did. it's just those two things...
> ...
> kinda thought it was obvious, that the problem is my boxen being too
> old to run that stuff.

How old is old??  I have been running Debian on some pretty old stuff, but 
then I don't use Stretch for it.  Anyhow:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=linux+distro+good+for+old+computers&oq=linux+distro+good+for+old+computers&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i64.13778j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I'm sure you have done that!

I second Felix's recommendation of Trinity DE for old computers.  It will even 
run on a Raspberry Pi A (just, and it has to be a specially adapted TDE!)

Lisi

> To be more specific, something I tried to install had a dependency on
> apt-transport-https, and pulled in new versions of:
> Get:1 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 libapt-pkg5.0 i386
> 1.3~pre2 [898 kB] Get:2 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386
> apt-utils i386 1.3~pre2 [402 kB] Get:3 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian
> testing/main i386 apt i386 1.3~pre2 [1,166 kB] Get:4
> http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt-transport-https i386
> 1.3~pre2 [157 kB]
>
> those would not run:
>
> Dump of assembler code from 0xb7eb4a73 to 0xb7eb4a87:
>0xb7eb4a73
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_tr
>aitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2275>:cmp-0x288(%ebp),%eax => 0xb7eb4a79
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_tr
>aitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2281>:cmovne -0x1bc(%ebp),%edx 0xb7eb4a80
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_tr
>aitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2288>:lea0x1(%edi),%ecx 0xb7eb4a83
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_tr
>aitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2291>:mov%ecx,-0x274(%ebp)
>
> Luckily, there were still versions 1.2.1 in the local
> /var/cache/apt/archives, I dpkg -i 'd them, so all is working for now...
>
> But I'll have to look for alternatives.

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2016-07-26 15:04 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Tue 26 Jul 2016 at 19:47:11 (+0200), Johann Klammer wrote:
>> On 07/26/2016 04:50 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>> > 
>> > Telling us your requirements, will make making a recommendation easier.
>> > 
>> I did. it's just those two things...
>> ...
>> kinda thought it was obvious, that the problem is my boxen being too 
>> old to run that stuff. 
>> To be more specific, something I tried to install had a dependency on 
>> apt-transport-https,
>> and pulled in new versions of:
>> Get:1 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 libapt-pkg5.0 i386 
>> 1.3~pre2 [898 kB]
>> Get:2 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt-utils i386 
>> 1.3~pre2 [402 kB]
>> Get:3 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt i386 1.3~pre2 
>> [1,166 kB]
>> Get:4 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt-transport-https 
>> i386 1.3~pre2 [157 kB]
>> 
>> those would not run:
>> 
>> Dump of assembler code from 0xb7eb4a73 to 0xb7eb4a87:
>>0xb7eb4a73
>> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2275>:
>> cmp -0x288(%ebp),%eax
>> => 0xb7eb4a79
>> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2281>:
>> cmovne -0x1bc(%ebp),%edx
>>0xb7eb4a80
>> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2288>:
>> lea 0x1(%edi),%ecx
>>0xb7eb4a83
>> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2291>:
>> mov %ecx,-0x274(%ebp)
>> 
>> Luckily, there were still versions 1.2.1 in the local 
>> /var/cache/apt/archives, 
>> I dpkg -i 'd them, so all is working for now... 
>> 
>> But I'll have to look for alternatives. 
>
> Does this mean that the days of running Debian on an old box in the
> corner are now numbered, or should a bug be filed against making
> such apt-related packages depend on such "modern" extensions.

A 686-class processor is required for stretch, see
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg1.html.

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[David Wright]

On Tue 26 Jul 2016 at 19:47:11 (+0200), Johann Klammer wrote:
> On 07/26/2016 04:50 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > 
> > Telling us your requirements, will make making a recommendation easier.
> > 
> I did. it's just those two things...
> ...
> kinda thought it was obvious, that the problem is my boxen being too 
> old to run that stuff. 
> To be more specific, something I tried to install had a dependency on 
> apt-transport-https,
> and pulled in new versions of:
> Get:1 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 libapt-pkg5.0 i386 
> 1.3~pre2 [898 kB]
> Get:2 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt-utils i386 
> 1.3~pre2 [402 kB]
> Get:3 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt i386 1.3~pre2 
> [1,166 kB]
> Get:4 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt-transport-https 
> i386 1.3~pre2 [157 kB]
> 
> those would not run:
> 
> Dump of assembler code from 0xb7eb4a73 to 0xb7eb4a87:
>0xb7eb4a73 
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2275>:
> cmp-0x288(%ebp),%eax
> => 0xb7eb4a79 
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2281>:
> cmovne -0x1bc(%ebp),%edx
>0xb7eb4a80 
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2288>:
> lea0x1(%edi),%ecx
>0xb7eb4a83 
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2291>:
> mov%ecx,-0x274(%ebp)
> 
> Luckily, there were still versions 1.2.1 in the local 
> /var/cache/apt/archives, 
> I dpkg -i 'd them, so all is working for now... 
> 
> But I'll have to look for alternatives. 

Does this mean that the days of running Debian on an old box in the
corner are now numbered, or should a bug be filed against making
such apt-related packages depend on such "modern" extensions.

Cheers,
David.

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Nicolas George]

Le nonidi 9 thermidor, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> Why use Stretch if the software in it ios too new for your boxen??

Old software have unpatched security issues. And it is not the software that
is too new, it is the build options.

> Of course it is not obvious!!

It was to me, at least.

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 26 July 2016 18:47:11 Johann Klammer wrote:
> On 07/26/2016 04:50 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > Telling us your requirements, will make making a recommendation easier.
>
> I did. it's just those two things...

Why use Stretch if the software in it ios too new for your boxen??

> ...
> kinda thought it was obvious, that the problem is my boxen being too
> old to run that stuff.

Of course it is not obvious!!

Lisi
> To be more specific, something I tried to install had a dependency on
> apt-transport-https, and pulled in new versions of:
> Get:1 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 libapt-pkg5.0 i386
> 1.3~pre2 [898 kB] Get:2 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386
> apt-utils i386 1.3~pre2 [402 kB] Get:3 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian
> testing/main i386 apt i386 1.3~pre2 [1,166 kB] Get:4
> http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt-transport-https i386
> 1.3~pre2 [157 kB]
>
> those would not run:
>
> Dump of assembler code from 0xb7eb4a73 to 0xb7eb4a87:
>0xb7eb4a73
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_tr
>aitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2275>:cmp-0x288(%ebp),%eax => 0xb7eb4a79
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_tr
>aitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2281>:cmovne -0x1bc(%ebp),%edx 0xb7eb4a80
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_tr
>aitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2288>:lea0x1(%edi),%ecx 0xb7eb4a83
> <_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_tr
>aitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2291>:mov%ecx,-0x274(%ebp)
>
> Luckily, there were still versions 1.2.1 in the local
> /var/cache/apt/archives, I dpkg -i 'd them, so all is working for now...
>
> But I'll have to look for alternatives.

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Johann Klammer]

On 07/26/2016 04:50 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> Telling us your requirements, will make making a recommendation easier.
> 
I did. it's just those two things...
...
kinda thought it was obvious, that the problem is my boxen being too 
old to run that stuff. 
To be more specific, something I tried to install had a dependency on 
apt-transport-https,
and pulled in new versions of:
Get:1 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 libapt-pkg5.0 i386 
1.3~pre2 [898 kB]
Get:2 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt-utils i386 1.3~pre2 
[402 kB]
Get:3 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt i386 1.3~pre2 
[1,166 kB]
Get:4 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 apt-transport-https 
i386 1.3~pre2 [157 kB]

those would not run:

Dump of assembler code from 0xb7eb4a73 to 0xb7eb4a87:
   0xb7eb4a73 
<_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2275>:
cmp-0x288(%ebp),%eax
=> 0xb7eb4a79 
<_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2281>:
cmovne -0x1bc(%ebp),%edx
   0xb7eb4a80 
<_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2288>:
lea0x1(%edi),%ecx
   0xb7eb4a83 
<_Z14ReadConfigFileR13ConfigurationRKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERKbRKj+2291>:
mov%ecx,-0x274(%ebp)

Luckily, there were still versions 1.2.1 in the local /var/cache/apt/archives, 
I dpkg -i 'd them, so all is working for now... 

But I'll have to look for alternatives. 

Re: Newer mutt in stable

[Nemeth Gyorgy]

2016-07-26 14:38 keltezéssel, Andre Majorel írta:

This will be the next step. Good point about build dependencies,
will need to find a way around that. I have a feeling that brute
force will be involved.

or you can use apt-get build-dep command.

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 26 July 2016 12:49:35 Felix Miata wrote:
> Johann Klammer composed on 2016-07-26 11:35 (UTC+0200):
> > Unfortunately, Debian does not work for me anymore.
> >
> > I have special needs:
> > binary packages.
> > i386 code without SSE stuff or other surprises.
> >
> > any advice?
>
> Take a look here:
> http://www.mepiscommunity.org/wiki
> http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
> http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/index.php
>
> and
> https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Trinity_Desktop_Environment
> https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall

:-))

Lisi

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Patrick Bartek]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:35:54 +0200 Johann Klammer 
wrote:

> Unfortunately, Debian does not work for me anymore.

Be more specific,please.

> I have special needs: 

What are they?

> binary packages. 

Most all distros have that option

> i386 code without SSE stuff or other surprises. 
> 
> any advice? 

Telling us your requirements, will make making a recommendation easier.

B

Re: using VR headset in debian

[Dan Ritter]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 08:20:57AM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Folks,
> 
> I have been researching VR headsets a little recently.  There seems to be
> two main makes - Oculus and HTC Vive that are useful with a PC at present.
> 
> Oculus had been selling a development version of their device but now they
> are bringing out a newer model for consumers.
> 
> Some web sites like Phoronix etc seem to think that running VR headsets in
> linux is not difficult.
> 
> Others seem to say that e.g. Oculus stopped supporting linux and only works
> properly on MS Windows.
> 
> Which headset would be best to use with debian?
> 
> The price of these devices is quite high.   But Oculus sold a development
> model that you can buy e.g. on ebay second hand for a more reasonable sum.
> 
> The reviews of the new Oculus model which compare it with the development
> device are odd in that some think it is a big improvement and others think
> it is a disappointment.
> 
> Has anyone tried running the steam OS package with a VR headset in debian?

Your big problem is more likely to be graphics card support than
the VR headset itself.

The listed minimum requirements are NVIDIA GTX 970 or AMD 290.
You'll probably need to run a custom kernel and install drivers
specifically from AMD or NVIDIA.

After that, it should be reasonably easy.

-dsr-

Re: Restart Building a Package

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Satya Prakash Prasad wrote:
> Is there a way that I can terminate an ongoing package creation process and
> then restart the same on a suitable time?

In general, no.  *Some* packages (typically very simple ones) will
tolerate this well, while others won't and will have to restart the
build from scratch.  gcc is a very complex package, it is likely it will
have to redo a lot (all?) of the build work.

May I suggest you *suspend* that build, instead?  SIGSTOP can stop
running processes (undo it using SIGCONT)...  if you're lucky, Typing ^Z
in the window with the build is enough (continue with the "fg" command).
Don't close that window, the stopped processes belong to that shell
instance.

"pstree" and "kill -s STOP" (undo with "kill -s CONT") can help you if
^Z doesn't work.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Miles Fidelman]

On 07/26/2016 11:35 AM, Johann Klammer wrote:

Unfortunately, Debian does not work for me anymore.

I have special needs:
binary packages.
i386 code without SSE stuff or other surprises.

The only one I can think of off the top of my head that isn't
based on Debian that still fulfills your criteria would be
Slackware, though I have never tried it:

http://www.slackware.com/



Maybe FreeBSD w/ Linux Binary Compatibility configured.


--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Restart Building a Package

[Satya Prakash Prasad]

While I started to build gcc 4.9 early morning hours my side via command :

dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us

it turned out the whole day package creation execution went on and still
unsure how much is left with. I am currently seeing a lot of test suites
being executed.

Is there a way that I can terminate an ongoing package creation process and
then restart the same on a suitable time?

Regards,
Prakash

Re: Newer mutt in stable

[Andre Majorel]

On 2016-07-19 13:51 +0200, Alberto Luaces wrote:
> Andre Majorel writes:
> 
> > Things I'd rather not do :
> > - install from source,
> > - install a package from unstable or testing in case it drags in
> >   new versions of libc etc.,
> 
> This is the first thing I would try, because it is the easiest path.

Naturally, the version in testing and unstable, 1.6.0-1, doesn't
install as it depends on more recent versions than what is in
Debian 8 for libgnutls30, libncursesw5 and libtinfo5.

The version in experimental, 1.6.1-2, is even worse (wants a
newer libc6).

So much for that.

> If the number of dependencies is unbearable to you, then I would try to
> compile the source package (but you could also be asked for updated
> build dependencies as well).

This will be the next step. Good point about build dependencies,
will need to find a way around that. I have a feeling that brute
force will be involved.

Thank you.

-- 
André Majorel 
Dear spammer : the email addresses in this message have been
brought to you by lists.debian.org.

Re: Info

[Satya Prakash Prasad]

Thanks a lot - the command set helped me to build gcc package. Though I saw
the build process running test suites - but how to confirm its acceptance
criteria.

Is there a report where can refer of the test suite it ran during the build
operation - which failed / which passed / issues or concern if any?

Regards,
Prakash

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 9:12 PM, Wookey  wrote:

> On 2016-07-25 16:12 +0530, Satya Prakash Prasad wrote:
>
> This list is for discussing dpkg development, so is not the right
> place to ask for help building packages. debian-user or
> debian-toolchain are more appropriate lists.
>
> > I am in need to build gcc-4.9/libgcc1_4.9.2-10_amd64.deb locally so that
> I can
> > copy this deb file to another host for installation.
>
> > I am aware that we can build .deb & install file using below steps:
> >
> > # apt-get source gcc version 4.9
> > # dpkg-checkbuilddeps
> > # apt-get install 
> > # dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us
> > # dpkg -i 
>
> That should be
> # apt-get source gcc-4.9
> # apt-get build-dep gcc-4.9
> # cd gcc-4.9-4.9.2
> # dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us
> # debi
>
> Or more simply:
> (Install apt-build, and)
> # apt-build install gcc-4.9
>
> > Please confirm on step and let me know how can I download gcc-4.9/
> > libgcc1_4.9.2-10_amd64.deb package cource code to build .deb file? But I
> am
> > getting below error at first step itself:
>
> If you want to build the .deb for transfer then you probably _don't_
> want to run the 'install' step on the local machine.
>
> > # apt-get source gcc version 4.9
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > Picking 'gcc-defaults' as source package instead of 'gcc'
> > NOTICE: 'gcc-defaults' packaging is maintained in the 'Svn' version
> control system at:
> > svn://svn.debian.org/svn/gcccvs/branches/sid/gcc-defaults
> > E: Unable to find a source package for version
>
> The 'gcc' binary package is built from the gcc-defaults source package.
> This is a metapackage.
> The compiler itself (lots of binary packages) is built from the gcc-4.9
> source package.
>
> Wookey
> --
> Principal hats:  Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM
> http://wookware.org/
>

Info

[Satya Prakash Prasad]

I am in need to build gcc-4.9/libgcc1_4.9.2-10_amd64.deb locally so that I
can copy this deb file to another host for installation.

I am aware that we can build .deb & install file using below steps:

# apt-get source gcc-4.9
# apt-get build-dep gcc-4.9
# cd 
# dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us
# dpkg -i 

I tried out the steps and found that during build process a lot of test
suites where also executed - is there a way confirm its acceptance criteria
or certify the package build?

Is there a report where can refer of the test suite it ran during the build
operation - which failed / which passed / issues or concern if any?

Regards,
Prakash

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Felix Miata]

Johann Klammer composed on 2016-07-26 11:35 (UTC+0200):


Unfortunately, Debian does not work for me anymore.



I have special needs:
binary packages.
i386 code without SSE stuff or other surprises.



any advice?


Take a look here:
http://www.mepiscommunity.org/wiki
http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/index.php

and
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Trinity_Desktop_Environment
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Felix Miata]

Johann Klammer composed on 2016-07-26 11:35 (UTC+0200):


Unfortunately, Debian does not work for me anymore.



I have special needs:
binary packages.
i386 code without SSE stuff or other surprises.



any advice?


Take a look here:
http://www.mepiscommunity.org/wiki
http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/index.php
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 26 July 2016 10:35:54 Johann Klammer wrote:
> Unfortunately, Debian does not work for me anymore.
>
> I have special needs:
> binary packages.
> i386 code without SSE stuff or other surprises.
>
> any advice?

https://distrowatch.com/
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2687088/linux/how-to-choose-a-linux-server-distribution.html
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/best-linux-distro-five-we-recommend-1090058

There will always be surprises unless you study in detail in advance or are a 
mind-reader.  Do you just mean without SSE?  That shouldn't be difficult!

Lisi

Re: What Linux distribution to use?

[Christian Seiler]

On 07/26/2016 11:35 AM, Johann Klammer wrote:
> Unfortunately, Debian does not work for me anymore.
> 
> I have special needs: 
> binary packages. 
> i386 code without SSE stuff or other surprises. 

Well, if you don't tell us why Debian doesn't work for you
any more, then it will probably not be easy to give a
recommendation.

Especially because you need non-SSE I think your options
are limited when it comes to binary distros. Most that still
fall in that category would probably be Debian-based - and
if Debian doesn't work for you anymore, then they might also
have the same issue.

The only one I can think of off the top of my head that isn't
based on Debian that still fulfills your criteria would be
Slackware, though I have never tried it:

http://www.slackware.com/

Regards,
Christian

What Linux distribution to use?

[Johann Klammer]

Unfortunately, Debian does not work for me anymore.

I have special needs: 
binary packages. 
i386 code without SSE stuff or other surprises. 

any advice? 

using VR headset in debian

[Michael Fothergill]

Dear Folks,

I have been researching VR headsets a little recently.  There seems to be
two main makes - Oculus and HTC Vive that are useful with a PC at present.

Oculus had been selling a development version of their device but now they
are bringing out a newer model for consumers.

Some web sites like Phoronix etc seem to think that running VR headsets in
linux is not difficult.

Others seem to say that e.g. Oculus stopped supporting linux and only works
properly on MS Windows.

Which headset would be best to use with debian?

The price of these devices is quite high.   But Oculus sold a development
model that you can buy e.g. on ebay second hand for a more reasonable sum.

The reviews of the new Oculus model which compare it with the development
device are odd in that some think it is a big improvement and others think
it is a disappointment.

Has anyone tried running the steam OS package with a VR headset in debian?

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill