Re: IceWeasel (Firefox) Update?

[didier gaumet]

Le 04/08/2016 à 21:48, afamilyofbetatesters hendersonpark a écrit :
> This may not even be possible, but how can I update the IceWeasel
> (Firefox) from 45 (old) to the current 47? I need it on 47 to be able to
> use a platform I use instead of skype :)

what you have and is available in Jessie is firefox-esr (Extended
Support Release). Version 45 is up to date.

Up to date version of firefox is 47, though, and probably the best way
to obtain it is the Debian way, which is explained here:
 http://mozilla.debian.net/

(be careful to select the Release version, not one of the Esr, Beta or
Aurora ones.)

Re: sobre SPAM

[Adriano Rafael Gomes]

On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 06:30:26PM -0300, Antonio Terceiro wrote:
> toda mensagem da lista tem um cabeçalho List-Archive, que dá o endereço
> onde ela é publicada no arquivo de lista. você vai nesse endereço, e
> clica "Report as spam" (em cima à direita). eu configuro o meu programa
> de email pra sempre mostrar esse cabeçalho junto com os outros
> (remetente, assunto etc).

Além dessa forma citada pelo Terceiro, há outras formas alternativas
que talvez interessem a alguém:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam#Methods_to_Nominate_Spam_for_the_Review-Process
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam/MUAPlugins

Para o mutt, por exemplo, basta teclar "S" na mensagem:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam/MUAPlugins/Mutt


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Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 19:34:44 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:

> The whole sorry tale of why is on the new WWW site.  The upshot of it
> is that nosh and redo are in a new place.
>
No, it does not offer any explanation of why you come in here with a 
megaphone announcing these tools.  This list has not been privy to any 
previous exchanges of yours, at least since June 6th no one named 
Pollard has posted.

> * https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/
>
> ** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/source-package.html
>
> ** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/freebsd-binary-packages.html
>
> ** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/debian-binary-packages.html
>
> * https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/redo/

A better explanation does seem to be a reasonable request.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

(OT) Disable Secure Boot, et al

[Patrick Bartek]

Hi! All,

Anyway to enter UEFI Firmware Setup on contemporary UEFI W8/10 notebooks
without having to go through Windows?  That is, is there a keyboard
combo, secret button or incantation whether or not a hard drive/OS is
installed. As far as my research goes, there's not.

I'm looking to buy a new notebook to put a custom install of Linux on
with as few problems as possible.  Which distro remains to be
chosen, but it definitely WON'T be Ubuntu (I've always hated it) or
SUSE or Fedora which I abandoned because of its 6 month release cycles
and 13 month support.

Thanks.

B

Limiting internet access by time

[Mark Fletcher]

On a stretch box I have, I want to allow access to the Internet between the
hours of 9am and 9pm and block it between 9pm and 9am. Ideally allow local
network access throughout but block Internet access between 9pm and 9am,
but I can accept total network blockage in the off times if necessary.

The machine is used as a desktop, so it is not up all the time. It might be
brought up before 9am, in which case it should come up blocked and unblock
at 9am, or it may be brought up after 9am, in which case it should come up
unblocked and block if it is still up at 9pm. Time precision isn't
important.

An ideal solution would allow dhcp updates, ntp etc to continue but block
any normal user access eg web browsing etc.

I've got a solution in mind and would like to see if the community has any
better ideas.

I'm thinking of installing iptables, creating an iptables script that
blocks Internet access (not local addresses) except ntp and dhcp, and
another to open everything up again, and using a systemd service that runs
a script to check the time and run the appropriate iptables script. That
service then gets linked in multi-user.wants to get run at startup. Then
cron jobs can take care of the 9am and 9pm switch overs, calling the same
scripts as appropriate.

Is there a better way to do this?

Mark

nosh and redo have moved

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

The whole sorry tale of why is on the new WWW site.  The upshot of it is 
that nosh and redo are in a new place.


* https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/

** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/source-package.html

** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/freebsd-binary-packages.html

** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/debian-binary-packages.html

* https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/redo/

Re: sobre SPAM

[Thiago Canuto]

Ok. Obrigado Antônio pela info.

Tem uma maneira de denunciar estes endereços de spammers para a comunidade
Debian User ou não tem necessidade?

Em 04/08/2016 17:30, "Antonio Terceiro"  escreveu:

> On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 03:19:17PM -0400, Thiago Canuto Ferreira wrote:
> > Olá amigos.
> >
> > O que fazer com este emails de spams? Tem alguma maneira de bloqueá-los?
>
> o primeiro passo é não responder spam, e em especial, não com cópia para
> o spammer. ;-)
>
> toda mensagem da lista tem um cabeçalho List-Archive, que dá o endereço
> onde ela é publicada no arquivo de lista. você vai nesse endereço, e
> clica "Report as spam" (em cima à direita). eu configuro o meu programa
> de email pra sempre mostrar esse cabeçalho junto com os outros
> (remetente, assunto etc).
>
> o antispam do lists.debian.org é muito bom, mas infelizmente não existe
> antispam que barre 100% do lixo.
>

Re: IceWeasel (Firefox) Update?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 20:48:41 afamilyofbetatesters hendersonpark wrote:
> This may not even be possible, but how can I update the IceWeasel (Firefox)
> from 45 (old) to the current 47? I need it on 47 to be able to use a
> platform I use instead of skype :)

What version of Debian are you using?  In jessie, I did:

# aptitude install firefox

and kept my system fully updated, and I have 47.0.1.

Lisi

Mythtv has lost all its on screen text

[Alan Chandler]

I have mythtv installed from debian multimedia.  I am running testing


About a week or so ago now, suddenly it has lost all its on screen text 
when playing a video (recorded TV programs).  The surrounding overlays 
are all there, just the text is missing - including on pop up menus.  As 
soon as you return to the normal mythv menu system the text comes back.



Anyone else experiencing this.  Any solution?

--
Alan Chandler
http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk

Glib-Critical

[Marcelo Giordano]

Hola amigos:

Uso debian xfce4 y mi firefox está extremadamente lento.

Ingreso a firefox por consola y me tira este error en forma repetida

(process:22184): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_path_get_basename: assertion 
'file_name != NULL' failed


Busqué en google y no encuentro nada.

Desde ya muchas gracias

SOLVED - I hope! - was: Re: Sound troubles on crashed Jessie on Skylake

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 22:43:23 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> Lisi Reisz wrote on 08/04/16 18:27:
> > On Thursday 04 August 2016 17:01:01 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> >> Which sound devices are shown by alsamixer? (See the text on the top
> >> left and, maybe, use F2  and F6 keys.)
> >
> > Card: PulseAudio
> > Chip: PulseAudio
> >
> > F6
> > default
> > 0 HDA Intel PCH
> > 1 HDA NVidia
> > enter device name
>
> Do you get sound if you select 0 or 1 ?
>
> > F2
> > /proc/asound/version
> > /proc/asound/cards
> > /proc/asound/devices
> > /proc/asound/oss/devices
> > /proc/asound/timers
> > /proc/asound/pcm
> >
> >> Is there a file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf?
> >
> > No
>
> On a HP Probook without additional discrete GPU I had to set
>
>   options snd_hda_intel index=1
>
> in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf in order to get the speakers to work.
>
> >> What is the output of
> >>
> >>   lsmod | grep snd
> >
> > You missed this in my original post:
>
> Yes, sorry.
>
> > peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ lsmod | grep snd
> > snd_hda_codec_realtek81920  1
> > snd_hda_codec_generic73728  1 snd_hda_codec_realtek
> > snd_hda_codec_hdmi 53248  1
> > snd_hda_intel  36864  7
> > snd_hda_codec 131072  4
> > snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_in
> >tel snd_hda_core   69632  5
> > snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_co
> >dec,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep  16384  1 snd_hda_codec
> > snd_pcm   102400  4
> > snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_core
> > snd_timer  32768  1 snd_pcm
> > snd86016  22
> > snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hwdep,snd_timer,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_pcm,snd_
> >hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel soundcore  16384
> >  1 snd
> > peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$
>
> Which kernel drivers are in use for the audio devices according to the
> output of lspci -v
> ?
> Does the output of dmesg reveal something regarding the sound devices?
>
> > Thank you for the help, Jörg-Volker! :-)
> > Lisi
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Regards,
> jvp.

I worked over what we had been doing.  I also added $USER to pulse and 
pulse-access groups.  Suddenly it is consistently working, instaed of jts 
that once and temporarily.  Don't ask me which bit worked, but for now it 
works!  

Thank you for your help.

Lisi

Re: only one user with access to vt consoles in multiseat set ups ...

[Albretch Mueller]

 Also, something important to me is for each seat to be able to go
into init 5 under its own locale

 Say, one seat would be running under a French locale and the other
one a German one.

 lbrtchx

only one user with access to vt consoles in multiseat set ups ...

[Albretch Mueller]

 I would like to know the reason for the following note:
~
 https://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO

 NOTE: Only the user on the first monitor has the use of vt consoles
and can use Ctrl+Alt+F to select them. The other users have a gdm
login screen and can use X normally, but have no vt's.
~
 I teach java and at times I need for my students to have access to the console

 Is this because of the graphical interface being used? Kernel config issues?

 lbrtchx
 debian-user

Re: Sound troubles on crashed Jessie on Skylake

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Lisi Reisz wrote on 08/04/16 18:27:
> On Thursday 04 August 2016 17:01:01 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
>> Which sound devices are shown by alsamixer? (See the text on the top left
>> and, maybe, use F2  and F6 keys.)
> 
> Card: PulseAudio
> Chip: PulseAudio
> 
> F6
> default
> 0 HDA Intel PCH
> 1 HDA NVidia
> enter device name
> 

Do you get sound if you select 0 or 1 ?

> F2
> /proc/asound/version   
> /proc/asound/cards
> /proc/asound/devices
> /proc/asound/oss/devices
> /proc/asound/timers
> /proc/asound/pcm
> 
>> Is there a file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf?
> 
> No

On a HP Probook without additional discrete GPU I had to set

  options snd_hda_intel index=1

in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf in order to get the speakers to work.

> 
>> What is the output of
>>
>>   lsmod | grep snd
> 
> You missed this in my original post:

Yes, sorry.
> 
> peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ lsmod | grep snd
> snd_hda_codec_realtek81920  1
> snd_hda_codec_generic73728  1 snd_hda_codec_realtek
> snd_hda_codec_hdmi 53248  1
> snd_hda_intel  36864  7
> snd_hda_codec 131072  4 
> snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_intel
> snd_hda_core   69632  5 
> snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel
> snd_hwdep  16384  1 snd_hda_codec
> snd_pcm   102400  4 
> snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_core
> snd_timer  32768  1 snd_pcm
> snd86016  22 
> snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hwdep,snd_timer,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_pcm,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel
> soundcore  16384  1 snd
> peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$
> 

Which kernel drivers are in use for the audio devices according to the output of
  lspci -v
?
Does the output of dmesg reveal something regarding the sound devices?

> Thank you for the help, Jörg-Volker! :-)
> Lisi
> 
You're welcome.

Regards,
jvp.

sobre SPAM

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 03:19:17PM -0400, Thiago Canuto Ferreira wrote:
> Olá amigos.
> 
> O que fazer com este emails de spams? Tem alguma maneira de bloqueá-los?

o primeiro passo é não responder spam, e em especial, não com cópia para
o spammer. ;-)

toda mensagem da lista tem um cabeçalho List-Archive, que dá o endereço
onde ela é publicada no arquivo de lista. você vai nesse endereço, e
clica "Report as spam" (em cima à direita). eu configuro o meu programa
de email pra sempre mostrar esse cabeçalho junto com os outros
(remetente, assunto etc).

o antispam do lists.debian.org é muito bom, mas infelizmente não existe
antispam que barre 100% do lixo.


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Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 20:59:03 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 04, 2016 12:32:37 PM Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > It wasn't originally.  Look at the subject header.  I specifically said
> > in my original post that I did npt want a falme-war about terminology,
> > but I seem to have got one any way.  The OP asked if anyone else had met
> > the problem. At all.  In Chromium.  See the subject line above.  I have. 
> > It is most irritating.  Blow your idea of the correct terminology which
> > every person on the planet must use.
>
> You don't have to participate in a flame war...
>
It was witty *once*.

Lisi

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 21:01:31 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 04, 2016 02:34:15 PM Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > It does not apply to the software I use.  Why on earth are you so
> > determined to argue?
>
> You don't have to participate in an argument...

touchée! ;-)

Lisi

Re: Lost /var/backups

[Sven Joachim]

On 2016-08-04 20:45 +0200, Tilo Werner wrote:

> accidentally I lost all files under /var/backups. It was a mistake while
> I was configuring the backup procedure o_O So I got no backup.
>
> Does anybody know how they were created?

Most of them are created by cron jobs (look in /etc/cron.daily), apt in
testing and unstable has switched to a systemd service
(/usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily).

> On an other system, when I install packages or add users the files where
> altered. On this system nothing happens. Maybe I'm missing some packages
> and there had been no files at all.

Do you have cron installed on that system?

Cheers,
   Sven

repository uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)

[Matthias Bodenbinder]

Hi,

I have a weird signature issue with an LMDE Mint repository. I know that this 
is not pure debian but nevertheless I think my question is best posted here.

The issue is: I have 4 PC and 1 laptop at home. All running LMDE2. When I do 
"apt-get update" the PCs have no issue. But the laptop says:

# last 2 lines of "apt-get update" output
W: http://linux-mint.froonix.org/dists/betsy/Release.gpg: Signature by key 
E1A38B8F144675D060EA666F3EE67F3D0FF405B2 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
W: http://extra.linuxmint.com/dists/betsy/Release.gpg: Signature by key 
E1A38B8F144675D060EA666F3EE67F3D0FF405B2 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
##

I reinstalled all keyring debs on the laptop. 



I am using the exact same sources on the laptop and the PCs (rsync of 
/etc/apt/sources.list*). During the last test I even rsync'ed all 
/etc/apt/trusted* to the laptop. 

I tried to fetch it via apt-key:

##
# apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 
E1A38B8F144675D060EA666F3EE67F3D0FF405B2
Executing: /tmp/tmp.9xZlldxhO9/gpg.1.sh --keyserver
keyserver.ubuntu.com
--recv-keys
E1A38B8F144675D060EA666F3EE67F3D0FF405B2
gpg: requesting key 0FF405B2 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
gpg: key 0FF405B2: "Clement Lefebvre (Linux Mint Package Repository v1) 
" not changed
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:  unchanged: 1
##

But the laptop keeps throwing these signature warnings - and only the laptop. 
Why is that? 

Thank you for your help.
Matthias

IceWeasel (Firefox) Update?

[afamilyofbetatesters hendersonpark]

This may not even be possible, but how can I update the IceWeasel (Firefox)
from 45 (old) to the current 47? I need it on 47 to be able to use a
platform I use instead of skype :)

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[rhkramer]

On Thursday, August 04, 2016 02:34:15 PM Lisi Reisz wrote:
> It does not apply to the software I use.  Why on earth are you so
> determined to argue?  

You don't have to participate in an argument...

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[rhkramer]

On Thursday, August 04, 2016 12:32:37 PM Lisi Reisz wrote:
> It wasn't originally.  Look at the subject header.  I specifically said in
> my original post that I did npt want a falme-war about terminology, but I
> seem to have got one any way.  The OP asked if anyone else had met the
> problem. At all.  In Chromium.  See the subject line above.  I have.  It
> is most irritating.  Blow your idea of the correct terminology which every
> person on the planet must use.

You don't have to participate in a flame war...



> 
> Go and argue with someone about folders and directories.
> 
> Lisi

Re: Confirme sua inscrição

[Thiago Canuto Ferreira]

Olá amigos.

O que fazer com este emails de spams? Tem alguma maneira de bloqueá-los?

Thiago

Em Qui, 2016-08-04 às 14:01 -0300, lacresonl...@lacresonline.com.br
escreveu:
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> Você pode cancelar sua assinatura a qualquer momento. 
>   Seu e-mail não será cadastrado enquanto você não clicar no botão. 
>
>
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Re: een enkel package uit unstable of non-free

[Geert Stappers]

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 04:33:46AM +0200, Jan Claeys wrote:
> On zo, 2016-07-17 at 18:14 +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
> > Het is me te vaak gebeuren dat ik een enkel package
> > uit non-free of unstable nodig had.
> > 
> > Voor firmware uit non-free paste ik apt-sources aan, "apt-get update"
> > installeerde het ene package met de WIFI driver
> > en dan de apt-sources wijzigingen weer ongedaan maken.
> > 
> > Voor nieuwe versie van een package ging ik met een webbrowser naar
> > bijvoorbeeld http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/ansible/
> > zocht met de hand de gewenste versie, "copy" URL op "clipboard"
> > en dan in een ander scherm `wget` "paste" URL van "clipbord".
> > Daar nog een dpkg install achter aan.
> 
> Wat met https://packages.debian.org/debget ?

Die kende ik niet toen ik de service http://stappers.it/do303/ maakte.
 ( http://stappers.it/ra303/index.html )

Voordeel van mijn aanpak is dat je gewoon `wget` kunt gebruiken.
`wget` is standaard aanwezig op een Debian installatie. `debget`
en zijn dependencies zouden eerst nog moeten worden ge-installeerd.


Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Leven en laten leven

Scratchy, Noisy Music Playback

[Thomas H. George]

The Solution: Kill Gnome (Alt-SysRq-K) and play ogg file from terminal.

The Problem: An ogg file played with Audacity or with ogg123 sounded 
terrible.


System is Jessie with standard debian packages installed

The ogg file was created from a cd with jack and was intended for an 
sdcard for my car's entertainment system. I first played it from my 
computer with Alsa line out to a fairly decent stereo system. The 
playback was noisy, sounded like it was made from a worn out lp.


The cd played from my home entertainment system sounded fine. The ogg 
file played from my car's entertainment system was ok.


What was wrong with my computer?

When a click from the stereo connected to the computer signaled the 
arrival of an email I realized a computer sound system was running all 
the time. What ever it is stopped when I killed Gnome.


Perhaps this is old hat, known to all. If so, there may be better 
solutions than killing Gnome. If so, I would like to know these 
solutions or be pointed appropriate discussions of the subject.

Lost /var/backups

[Tilo Werner]

Hi,

accidentally I lost all files under /var/backups. It was a mistake while
I was configuring the backup procedure o_O So I got no backup.

Does anybody know how they were created?

On an other system, when I install packages or add users the files where
altered. On this system nothing happens. Maybe I'm missing some packages
and there had been no files at all.

Thanks in advance,
Tilo




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Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 19:06:51 David Wright wrote:
> Reviewing your posts, the first sympathetically commiserated with the OP,
> the rest seemed to be arguing with those who knew something about fvwm
> and were trying to comment on the problem and its possible amelioration.

David, that is unfair.  I argued one thing only.  That what you are saying 
refers to you and FVWM and not to everybody.  

It does not apply to the software I use.  Why on earth are you so determined 
to argue?  I know nothing about FVWM and have never claimed to do so.  You 
told me that I was wrong in what I said, when I was not.  I argued against 
that.  I did not claim that it referred to FVWM.  In the DE I use, which I 
have used for 12 years through a name change, I use desktops and can move 
things from one desktop to another in the desktop preview and pager, in the 
panel, by drag and drop.  I can then go the relevant desktop and there it is.  
You can tell me that I am wrong all you like, it will not make me wrong.  Do 
stop arguing for the sake of it.  IT IS NOT FVWM and I never said that it 
was.  I said that it applied to Chrome (and chromium, of course.  See the 
subject line).  And that the facility meant that the problem is a minor 
annoyance only.  I know nothing about FVWM and would not pretend that I do.

Lisi

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[David Wright]

On Thu 04 Aug 2016 at 17:32:37 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Thursday 04 August 2016 17:13:06 John Hasler wrote:
> > Lisi writes:
> > > And the authors of the software (DE) I use, use the term desktop
> >
> > But the software under discussion is FVWM, which, if I understand
> > correctly, is not what you use.  It would be nice if all the window
> > manager and desktop environment authors would agree on standard jargon,
> > but that is not reality.
> 
> It wasn't originally.  Look at the subject header.

I apologise. I read line three of the OP which said 'Using FVWM'.

> I specifically said in my 
> original post that I did npt want a falme-war about terminology, but I seem 
> to have got one any way.  The OP asked if anyone else had met the problem.  
> At all.  In Chromium.  See the subject line above.  I have.  It is most 
> irritating.  Blow your idea of the correct terminology which every person on 
> the planet must use.

I then asked for clarification, which may have mystified people who
don't use a WM as flexible and configurable as fvwm. That flexibility
requires terms to describe it. Imagine you'd never seen xinerama and
had just come across it. You would need a term to distinguish it from
the multiple disjoint desktops that I mentioned at the start of my
second post (for which I my workaround would not work).

> Go and argue with someone about folders and directories.

They are effectively synonyms in this context. We (I) was trying to
discuss features that are superficially similar but have critical
differences in their behaviour.

Reviewing your posts, the first sympathetically commiserated with the OP,
the rest seemed to be arguing with those who knew something about fvwm
and were trying to comment on the problem and its possible amelioration.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[David Wright]

On Thu 04 Aug 2016 at 23:17:08 (+1000), Charlie wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 07:29:23 -0500 John Hasler sent:
> 
> > Programs do sometimes open in other viewports..
> 
>   After contemplation, my reply is:
> 
> Until now, I have never had a program open in a different viewport from
> where it was opened, unless...
> 
> Brought up and clicked on a program and before it could open, moved my
> mouse cursor onto a different viewport and/or desktop before the
> program/package had opened.

Yes, that's normal behaviour. It is, of course, a race because you
might not make it all the way to the desired location.

Sometimes fvwm can get tripped up itself. When I start X, I map
22 xterms on the 20 pages (xterm terminology). Occasionally, the first
xterm will map on Page: 0 0 before fvwm has managed to switch to
Page: 4 3 (I map them in turn from bottom right to top left).

The tool that allows me to map so many so quickly is xtoolwait, for which
I still have to run the squeeze version.

> So after opening a program on a viewport that I had just had another
> program finish opening. I would click on another program, and before it
> opened, move the cursor to the desktop and viewport where I wanted it to
> open and click on it, and it would open in that location. However, that
> is by design. It opened exactly where required.

That sounds as if you're usingStyle * ManualPlacement
which requires you to click to place the window when its frame
appears (tethered to the cursor). I used to use that years ago but
prefer   Style * TileCascadePlacement   nowadays.

Applications can dodge being placed manually if thy specify their
own geometry specifically.

But I thought I would point out one detail in the workaround I gave.
In the lines

+ I All ('*Mozilla Firefox*') PipeRead '/bin/cat ${HOME}/.fvwm/move-firefox'
+ I All ('*Chromium*') PipeRead '/bin/cat ${HOME}/.fvwm/move-chromium'

the string is a pattern, so the asterisks at each end allow for the
frequent changes in the Window Title that occur as you navigate
the web. (You probably only need to first *.)

Cheers,
David.

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Re: Instalação no z/VM

[Fábio Rabelo]

Boa tarde .

Esta foi a única referência direta que eu encontrei :

http://debblog.philkern.de/2011/11/how-to-install-debian-within-zvm-with.html

Mas, a instalação não é diferente de nenhum outro SO compatível com Z/Series .

Existe mais documentação sobre isto no site da IBM em alemão, mas eu
não creio que isto possa lhe ajudar .

A IBM na Alemanha, na Polônia e na Itália vende suporte p/o Debian,
mas a IBM Brasil não está nem aí ...


Fábio Rabelo

Em 4 de agosto de 2016 12:29, Pilgrim Brown  escreveu:
> Olá pessoal,
>
> Onde posso encontrar material sobre instalação do Debian Jessie sobre z/VM?
>
> Atenciosamente,
>
> Gemerson

Re: Était Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR Clé USB mieux que Live CD

[SB45730]

Merci, je connais et je suis inscrit depuis quelques semaines. Mais je
n'avais pas trouvé l'info. Certainement mal cherché.

C'est pour cela que je me suis inscrit sur cette liste qui ne semble
très bien aussi.

T'en remerciant,

Cordialement.

Le 04/08/2016 à 18:42, Georges a écrit :
> 
> Le Thu, 4 Aug 2016 18:34:46 +0200,
> 
> G a écrit :
> 
>>
>> Le Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:53:16 +0200,
>>
>> S a écrit :
>>
>>> Re,
>>>
>>> Je me suis réjouis un peu trop vite.
>>>
>>> J'ai redémarré. Les paquets fr que j'avais installés avec synaptic
>>> ne sont plus là. Il faut que je les réinstalle. Je doute que je
>>> doive faire l'installation des paquets fr à chaque fois. Je ne vois
>>> pas pourquoi ils ne sont pas conservés. Si quelqu'un a une idée ?
>>>
>>> Vous remerciant de votre aide,
>>>
>>> Cordialement.
>>
>>  J'ai fait une doc sur :
>>  https://debian-facile.org/viewtopic.php?id=10229
>>
>>  Si sa peut t'aider ;-) a faire ta clé USB. La mienne fonctionne avec
>>  la """ persistence """
>>
>>  Courage Georges
> 
>   Pour les "nouveau linuxiens" ceux qui veulent apprendre plein de
>   trucs : https://debian-facile.org/index.php Génial je vous dit ;-) 
> 

Re: Dúvida...

[Luiz Frederico Gaertner]

Antonio,

Grato.

Mãos a obra.

Abraço,



Em 4 de agosto de 2016 10:51, Antonio Terceiro 
escreveu:

> On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 09:45:44AM -0300, Luiz Frederico Gaertner wrote:
> > Bom dia Senhores,
> >
> > Alguém saberia me informar qual a política para atualização de pacotes?
> > No caso, verifiquei que o linphone encontra-se na versão 3.9 (no site do
> > proprietário) porém, a versão no repositório do Jessie é a versão 3.6.
>
> No Jessie vai ser 3.6 pra sempre. Com raríssimas exceções em casos de
> impossibilidade de suporte de segurança para versões mais antigas
> (exemplo: navegadores), novas versões de pacotes não entram numa versão
> estável da distribuição.
>
> A propósito mesmo na testing o linphone continua na versão 3.6. Como
> tudo mais no Debian, atualizar depende de alguém que se importe o
> suficiente fazer o trabalho (atualizar o pacote, testar, resolver bugs,
> etc).
>
> dando uma olhada rápida no BTS, talvez os mantenedores (time de VOIP)
> precisem de ajuda:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743474
>
> uma vez que esteja atualizado no testing, aí alguém pode fazer um
> backport (se isso for posssível), e você pode instalar através do
> jessie-backports.
>

Était Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR Clé USB mieux que Live CD

[Georges]

Le Thu, 4 Aug 2016 18:34:46 +0200,

G a écrit :

> 
> Le Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:53:16 +0200,
> 
> S a écrit :
> 
> > Re,
> > 
> > Je me suis réjouis un peu trop vite.
> > 
> > J'ai redémarré. Les paquets fr que j'avais installés avec synaptic
> > ne sont plus là. Il faut que je les réinstalle. Je doute que je
> > doive faire l'installation des paquets fr à chaque fois. Je ne vois
> > pas pourquoi ils ne sont pas conservés. Si quelqu'un a une idée ?
> > 
> > Vous remerciant de votre aide,
> > 
> > Cordialement.
> 
>  J'ai fait une doc sur :
>  https://debian-facile.org/viewtopic.php?id=10229
> 
>  Si sa peut t'aider ;-) a faire ta clé USB. La mienne fonctionne avec
>  la """ persistence """
> 
>  Courage Georges

  Pour les "nouveau linuxiens" ceux qui veulent apprendre plein de
  trucs : https://debian-facile.org/index.php Génial je vous dit ;-) 

Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR

[SB45730]

Bonjour Georges,

Merci pour l'info. J'essaie cela et te dit ce qu'il en est.

Je tiens bon.

T'en remerciant,

Cordialement.

Stéphane.

Le 04/08/2016 à 18:34, Georges a écrit :
> 
> Le Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:53:16 +0200,
> 
> S a écrit :
> 
>> Re,
>>
>> Je me suis réjouis un peu trop vite.
>>
>> J'ai redémarré. Les paquets fr que j'avais installés avec synaptic ne
>> sont plus là. Il faut que je les réinstalle. Je doute que je doive
>> faire l'installation des paquets fr à chaque fois. Je ne vois pas
>> pourquoi ils ne sont pas conservés. Si quelqu'un a une idée ?
>>
>> Vous remerciant de votre aide,
>>
>> Cordialement.
> 
>  J'ai fait une doc sur :
>  https://debian-facile.org/viewtopic.php?id=10229
> 
>  Si sa peut t'aider ;-) a faire ta clé USB. La mienne fonctionne avec
>  la """ persistence """
> 
>  Courage Georges
> 
> 
> 

Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR

[SB45730]

Éxact. Je veux écrire les paquets mis à jour sur la clé usb live et non
sur la machine hôte de façon à ce que la clé soit autonome. Ce n'est
possible ?

Cordialement.


Le 04/08/2016 à 18:21, Eric Degenetais a écrit :
> je savais bien que mon terme de "cible" était trop vague...
> en fait, ce que j'ai vu consiste à écrire des modifications (je ne
> sais pas lesquelles exactement) sur une partition de l'hôte. Là ,où je
> dis que ce n'est pas forcément ce que tu cherches, c'est qu'en général
> on utilise un live rpécisément pour ne pâs impacter la cible.
> Cependant, il faut relativiser: en fait les modifications de
> l'ordinateur hôte consistent à créer sur une de ses partitions un
> fichier qui contient une image de filesystème, persistente celle-là.
> Donc on ne modifie pas l'OS de l'hôte, on se contente d'écrire un
> fichier à la racine d'un de ses disques.
> L'inconvénient majeur est que les modifications doivent être refaites
> chaque fois qu'on change de système hôte, puisque c'est l'hôte qui
> asssure la persistence des modifications
> 
> __
> Éric Dégenètais
> Henix
> 
> http://www.henix.com
> http://www.squashtest.org
> 
> 
> 
> Le 4 août 2016 à 16:10, SB45730  a écrit :
>> Merci pour ces précisions.
>>
>> Sauvegarder les modifications sur la clé usb me conviendrait
>> parfaitement mais seulement j'ignore comment faire cela.
>>
>> Modifier l'iso live, vu mon niveau débutant, cela m'étonnerait que ce
>> soit dans mes (maigres) compétences.
>>
>> Te remerciant de ton aide,
>>
>> Cordialement.
>>
>> Le 04/08/2016 à 18:05, Eric Degenetais a écrit :
>>> Le 4 août 2016 à 15:58, SB45730  a écrit :
 Bonjour,

 Oui, j'ai fait l'installation des paquets après avoir booté sur la clé 
 live.

 Te remerciant de ton aide,

 Cordialement.
>>>
>>> OK, dans ce cas il est normal que les modifications disparaissent au
>>> reboot: la partition root d'une live se comporte à la base comme un
>>> RAMdisk (en fait, c'est une superposition entre le CD et une couche
>>> inscriptible "copy on write" pour économiser la mémoire, mais een fin
>>> de compte cela revient au même: les modifications sont volatiles par
>>> défaut)
>>> Je crois qu'il existe un système pour sauvegarder des modifications
>>> sur le disque de la cible, mais j'imagine que ce n'est pas ce que tu
>>> cherches.
>>> Je ne suis pas au fait du mécanisme de production de l'iso live, mais
>>> il faut modifier l'iso et non la machine une fois démarrée.
>>>
>>> cordialement
>>>
>>> __
>>> Éric Dégenètais
>>> Henix
>>>
>>> http://www.henix.com
>>> http://www.squashtest.org
>>>
>>
> 

Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR

[Georges]

Le Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:53:16 +0200,

S a écrit :

> Re,
> 
> Je me suis réjouis un peu trop vite.
> 
> J'ai redémarré. Les paquets fr que j'avais installés avec synaptic ne
> sont plus là. Il faut que je les réinstalle. Je doute que je doive
> faire l'installation des paquets fr à chaque fois. Je ne vois pas
> pourquoi ils ne sont pas conservés. Si quelqu'un a une idée ?
> 
> Vous remerciant de votre aide,
> 
> Cordialement.

 J'ai fait une doc sur :
 https://debian-facile.org/viewtopic.php?id=10229

 Si sa peut t'aider ;-) a faire ta clé USB. La mienne fonctionne avec
 la """ persistence """

 Courage Georges

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 17:13:15 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> John Hasler wrote:
> > There may be no such thing as a "right name" but there is such a thing
> > as a correct name in a technical discussion.
>
> Reading The Funderful Manual:
>
>   Fvwm provides both, a large virtual desktop and multiple disjoint
>   desktops which can be used separately or together.  The virtual desktop
>   allows you to pretend that your video screen is really quite large, and
>   you can scroll around within the desktop.  The multiple disjoint
>   desktops allow you to pretend that you really have several screens to
>   work at, but each screen is completely unrelated to the others.
>
>   [...]
>
>   The screen is a viewport onto a desktop which may be larger than the
>   screen. [...]
>   each desktop can be larger than the physical screen, divided into m by n
>   pages which are each the size of the physical screen [...]
>
> I understand that the New Revised debian-user Terminology translates
>
>   Workspace = Virtual desktop (one of multiple disjoint desktops)
>
>   Viewport = Page of a virtual desktop (actually one can let the screen
>  show neighboring parts of four pages)
>
> I own a single 4x2 pages sized workspace. In most cases i use stickiness
> and pager rather than dragging windows from page to page.
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas

Thanks, Thomas!!

Lisi

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 17:13:06 John Hasler wrote:
> Lisi writes:
> > And the authors of the software (DE) I use, use the term desktop
>
> But the software under discussion is FVWM, which, if I understand
> correctly, is not what you use.  It would be nice if all the window
> manager and desktop environment authors would agree on standard jargon,
> but that is not reality.

It wasn't originally.  Look at the subject header.  I specifically said in my 
original post that I did npt want a falme-war about terminology, but I seem 
to have got one any way.  The OP asked if anyone else had met the problem.  
At all.  In Chromium.  See the subject line above.  I have.  It is most 
irritating.  Blow your idea of the correct terminology which every person on 
the planet must use.

Go and argue with someone about folders and directories.

Lisi

Re: Sound troubles on crashed Jessie on Skylake

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 17:01:01 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> Which sound devices are shown by alsamixer? (See the text on the top left
> and, maybe, use F2  and F6 keys.)

Card: PulseAudio
Chip: PulseAudio

F6
default
0 HDA Intel PCH
1 HDA NVidia
enter device name

F2
/proc/asound/version   
/proc/asound/cards
/proc/asound/devices
/proc/asound/oss/devices
/proc/asound/timers
/proc/asound/pcm

> Is there a file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf?

No

> What is the output of
>
>   lsmod | grep snd

You missed this in my original post:

peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ lsmod | grep snd
snd_hda_codec_realtek81920  1
snd_hda_codec_generic73728  1 snd_hda_codec_realtek
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 53248  1
snd_hda_intel  36864  7
snd_hda_codec 131072  4 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_intel
snd_hda_core   69632  5 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep  16384  1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm   102400  4 
snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_core
snd_timer  32768  1 snd_pcm
snd86016  22 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hwdep,snd_timer,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_pcm,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel
soundcore  16384  1 snd
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$

Thank you for the help, Jörg-Volker! :-)
Lisi

Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR

[Eric Degenetais]

je savais bien que mon terme de "cible" était trop vague...
en fait, ce que j'ai vu consiste à écrire des modifications (je ne
sais pas lesquelles exactement) sur une partition de l'hôte. Là ,où je
dis que ce n'est pas forcément ce que tu cherches, c'est qu'en général
on utilise un live rpécisément pour ne pâs impacter la cible.
Cependant, il faut relativiser: en fait les modifications de
l'ordinateur hôte consistent à créer sur une de ses partitions un
fichier qui contient une image de filesystème, persistente celle-là.
Donc on ne modifie pas l'OS de l'hôte, on se contente d'écrire un
fichier à la racine d'un de ses disques.
L'inconvénient majeur est que les modifications doivent être refaites
chaque fois qu'on change de système hôte, puisque c'est l'hôte qui
asssure la persistence des modifications

__
Éric Dégenètais
Henix

http://www.henix.com
http://www.squashtest.org



Le 4 août 2016 à 16:10, SB45730  a écrit :
> Merci pour ces précisions.
>
> Sauvegarder les modifications sur la clé usb me conviendrait
> parfaitement mais seulement j'ignore comment faire cela.
>
> Modifier l'iso live, vu mon niveau débutant, cela m'étonnerait que ce
> soit dans mes (maigres) compétences.
>
> Te remerciant de ton aide,
>
> Cordialement.
>
> Le 04/08/2016 à 18:05, Eric Degenetais a écrit :
>> Le 4 août 2016 à 15:58, SB45730  a écrit :
>>> Bonjour,
>>>
>>> Oui, j'ai fait l'installation des paquets après avoir booté sur la clé live.
>>>
>>> Te remerciant de ton aide,
>>>
>>> Cordialement.
>>
>> OK, dans ce cas il est normal que les modifications disparaissent au
>> reboot: la partition root d'une live se comporte à la base comme un
>> RAMdisk (en fait, c'est une superposition entre le CD et une couche
>> inscriptible "copy on write" pour économiser la mémoire, mais een fin
>> de compte cela revient au même: les modifications sont volatiles par
>> défaut)
>> Je crois qu'il existe un système pour sauvegarder des modifications
>> sur le disque de la cible, mais j'imagine que ce n'est pas ce que tu
>> cherches.
>> Je ne suis pas au fait du mécanisme de production de l'iso live, mais
>> il faut modifier l'iso et non la machine une fois démarrée.
>>
>> cordialement
>>
>> __
>> Éric Dégenètais
>> Henix
>>
>> http://www.henix.com
>> http://www.squashtest.org
>>
>

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[John Hasler]

Lisi writes:
> And the authors of the software (DE) I use, use the term desktop

But the software under discussion is FVWM, which, if I understand
correctly, is not what you use.  It would be nice if all the window
manager and desktop environment authors would agree on standard jargon,
but that is not reality.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

John Hasler wrote:
> There may be no such thing as a "right name" but there is such a thing
> as a correct name in a technical discussion.

Reading The Funderful Manual:

  Fvwm provides both, a large virtual desktop and multiple disjoint
  desktops which can be used separately or together.  The virtual desktop
  allows you to pretend that your video screen is really quite large, and
  you can scroll around within the desktop.  The multiple disjoint
  desktops allow you to pretend that you really have several screens to
  work at, but each screen is completely unrelated to the others.

  [...]

  The screen is a viewport onto a desktop which may be larger than the
  screen. [...]
  each desktop can be larger than the physical screen, divided into m by n
  pages which are each the size of the physical screen [...]

I understand that the New Revised debian-user Terminology translates

  Workspace = Virtual desktop (one of multiple disjoint desktops)

  Viewport = Page of a virtual desktop (actually one can let the screen
 show neighboring parts of four pages)

I own a single 4x2 pages sized workspace. In most cases i use stickiness
and pager rather than dragging windows from page to page.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR

[SB45730]

Merci pour ces précisions.

Sauvegarder les modifications sur la clé usb me conviendrait
parfaitement mais seulement j'ignore comment faire cela.

Modifier l'iso live, vu mon niveau débutant, cela m'étonnerait que ce
soit dans mes (maigres) compétences.

Te remerciant de ton aide,

Cordialement.

Le 04/08/2016 à 18:05, Eric Degenetais a écrit :
> Le 4 août 2016 à 15:58, SB45730  a écrit :
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Oui, j'ai fait l'installation des paquets après avoir booté sur la clé live.
>>
>> Te remerciant de ton aide,
>>
>> Cordialement.
> 
> OK, dans ce cas il est normal que les modifications disparaissent au
> reboot: la partition root d'une live se comporte à la base comme un
> RAMdisk (en fait, c'est une superposition entre le CD et une couche
> inscriptible "copy on write" pour économiser la mémoire, mais een fin
> de compte cela revient au même: les modifications sont volatiles par
> défaut)
> Je crois qu'il existe un système pour sauvegarder des modifications
> sur le disque de la cible, mais j'imagine que ce n'est pas ce que tu
> cherches.
> Je ne suis pas au fait du mécanisme de production de l'iso live, mais
> il faut modifier l'iso et non la machine une fois démarrée.
> 
> cordialement
> 
> __
> Éric Dégenètais
> Henix
> 
> http://www.henix.com
> http://www.squashtest.org
> 

Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR

[Eric Degenetais]

Le 4 août 2016 à 15:58, SB45730  a écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
> Oui, j'ai fait l'installation des paquets après avoir booté sur la clé live.
>
> Te remerciant de ton aide,
>
> Cordialement.

OK, dans ce cas il est normal que les modifications disparaissent au
reboot: la partition root d'une live se comporte à la base comme un
RAMdisk (en fait, c'est une superposition entre le CD et une couche
inscriptible "copy on write" pour économiser la mémoire, mais een fin
de compte cela revient au même: les modifications sont volatiles par
défaut)
Je crois qu'il existe un système pour sauvegarder des modifications
sur le disque de la cible, mais j'imagine que ce n'est pas ce que tu
cherches.
Je ne suis pas au fait du mécanisme de production de l'iso live, mais
il faut modifier l'iso et non la machine une fois démarrée.

cordialement

__
Éric Dégenètais
Henix

http://www.henix.com
http://www.squashtest.org

Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR

[Eric Degenetais]

Le 4 août 2016 à 14:53, SB45730  a écrit :
> Je ne vois pas pourquoi ils
> ne sont pas conservés. Si quelqu'un a une idée ?

Question: as-tu fait l'installation des paquets sur ta machine après
l'avoir bootée sur la live key?

__
Éric Dégenètais
Henix

http://www.henix.com
http://www.squashtest.org

Re: Sound troubles on crashed Jessie on Skylake

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Which sound devices are shown by alsamixer? (See the text on the top left and,
maybe, use F2  and F6 keys.)

Is there a file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf?

What is the output of

  lsmod | grep snd

?

Regards,
jvp.

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[John Hasler]

Charlie writes:
> I'm unsure when this was so programmed. In the old times one could
> mouse drag open packages into any desktop. There were no hard no go
> fences between them.

It was configured that way by whoever created the FVWM config file you
are using.  When I started using FVWM there were neither panes nor
desktops. I don't remember when they came in, but I think that the
virtual display was first.  There are zillions of example configurations
out there and some sort of default config is included in the Debian
package.  You can easily add more panes to your desktops and change the
number of desktops by editing .fvwm/config.  FVWM is almost infinitely
configurable.  My config is a horrifically encrusted thing that has been
evolving for twenty years.  I really should just re-write it.  It's
uglier than my .emacs.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Sound troubles on crashed Jessie on Skylake

[Lisi Reisz]

My husband's box, Jessie with Skylake, is still recovering from being 
summarily turned off in mid-stream.

I have been trying to get sound reworking.

I did:

peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ pacmd set-default-sink 1
No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ pulseaudio -k
E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ pulseaudio --start
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ pacmd set-default-sink 1
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ aplay prayer2.wav
Playing WAVE 'prayer2.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono

And I had sound!  Consistently!  Across everything!  But I had the impression 
that it might be temporary.  I had done nothing to start anything on 
start-up.  So I restarted the computer.  No sound. Did:

peter@Nyx-II:~$ pulseaudio --start
peter@Nyx-II:~$ pacmd set-default-sink 1
peter@Nyx-II:~$ cd Music/
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ aplay prayer2.wav
Playing WAVE 'prayer2.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono

No sound.  

Did:
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ pacmd set-default-sink 1
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ pulseaudio -k
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ pulseaudio --start
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ pacmd set-default-sink 1
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ aplay prayer2.wav
Playing WAVE 'prayer2.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$

Still no sound. 

peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ lsmod | grep snd
snd_hda_codec_realtek81920  1
snd_hda_codec_generic73728  1 snd_hda_codec_realtek
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 53248  1
snd_hda_intel  36864  7
snd_hda_codec 131072  4 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_intel
snd_hda_core   69632  5 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep  16384  1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm   102400  4 
snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_core
snd_timer  32768  1 snd_pcm
snd86016  22 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hwdep,snd_timer,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_pcm,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel
soundcore  16384  1 snd
peter@Nyx-II:~/Music$ 

pavucontrol insists that there is only one sound card and that that card is 
HDMI, which it rightly says is not plugged in.

I have run alsactrl init - before I did briefly get sound working!!

Where next??

Lisi

Re: Icedove crashes after recent update

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Does it work better with a fresh profile?

If yes, maybe cleaning up your profile helps. Here's a survey of the files in
the profile folder:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Files_and_folders_in_the_profile_-_Thunderbird

Regards,
jvp.

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 16:26:25 John Hasler wrote:
> Lisi writes:
> > There is no such thing as a "right name".
>
> There may be no such thing as a "right name" but there is such a thing
> as a correct name in a technical discussion.  It's easier for everyone
> if we all use the definitions chosen by the authors of the software
> (though I admit that even they are not always consistent).

And the authors of the software (DE) I use, use the term desktop, and have 
done for many years - I have been using them for twelve - , which  you are 
correcting, for what you appear to be calling "viewports and desktops".   
My "desktops" appear to be both. :-/  Incidentally, I can have 20 if I want.  
(I currently have six).

I accept, since he has done himself, that the OP "misused" workspace, but at 
the point I responded to his query that was not evident.

Moreover, workspace in that meaning is sanctified by Wikipedia, so a good many 
people use it. 

Lisi

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[John Hasler]

Charlie writes:
> So after opening a program on a viewport that I had just had another
> program finish opening. I would click on another program, and before
> it opened, move the cursor to the desktop and viewport where I wanted
> it to open and click on it, and it would open in that
> location. However, that is by design. It opened exactly where
> required.

Yes, that is correct: it is mapping relative to the viewport rather than
to the display (I should have written "pane" rather than "viewport" as
in FVWM jargon the viewport is what the physical screen shows while a
"pane" is a section of the desktop).  However, I have also had programs
pop up a window in a pane that is not in the viewport.  My wife has a
Javascript thing that does it consistently.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Instalação no z/VM

[Pilgrim Brown]

Olá pessoal,

Onde posso encontrar material sobre instalação do Debian Jessie sobre z/VM?

Atenciosamente,

Gemerson

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[John Hasler]

Lisi writes:
> There is no such thing as a "right name".

There may be no such thing as a "right name" but there is such a thing
as a correct name in a technical discussion.  It's easier for everyone
if we all use the definitions chosen by the authors of the software
(though I admit that even they are not always consistent).
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[John Hasler]

Lisi writes:
> No, it wasn't.   I said and meant "desktop", otherwise known as
> workspace.

Ok, but that is confusing when discussing FVWM.

> If you say that the OP, who uses FVWM, said workspace and meant
> viewport, I cannot argue, since you obviously know FVWM, and I don't.

I've been using FVWM for about twenty years.  As David says, each FVWM
desktop (sometimes called a workspace) is a separate X display.  Getting
windows from one to another is, in my experience, not possible.  A
desktop can be much larger than the physical screen: it's a virtual
screen.  The viewport is properly the physical screen and can be moved
around the desktop smoothly or in steps.  It is common to divide each
desktop into panes (sometimes confusingly called viewports, workspaces,
or even desktops) and arrange for the viewport to "snap" from one pane
to the next.  Thus the viewport is often a porthole into a large virtual
screen. Some programs may be using the wrong mapping request so that the
window is located relative to the virtual screen rather than the
physical one.  This is a bug, of course, but you won't see it if your
virtual screen equals the physical screen, as is the usual case with
most window managers.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Live cd Debian 8.5 en FR

[SB45730]

Re,

Je me suis réjouis un peu trop vite.

J'ai redémarré. Les paquets fr que j'avais installés avec synaptic ne
sont plus là. Il faut que je les réinstalle. Je doute que je doive faire
l'installation des paquets fr à chaque fois. Je ne vois pas pourquoi ils
ne sont pas conservés. Si quelqu'un a une idée ?

Vous remerciant de votre aide,

Cordialement.

Le 04/08/2016 à 16:43, SB45730 a écrit :
> Re,
> 
> Finalement, j'ai installé sur une clé de 8 Go
> debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-mate-desktop.
> 
> Pour la partie clavier, interface bureau, ..., pas de problèmes, je suis
> bien en fr en modifiant le fichier live.cfg comme indiqué précédemment.
> 
> Pour les applications, j'ai bien fait la manipulation ci-dessous. Cela
> fonctionne parfaitement avec toutes applications sélectionnées
> (Iceweasel, LibreOffice, Gimp, ...) qui sont désormais en fr.
> 
> J'ai désormais un clé live de la dernière Débian stable francisée. C'est
> génial. Vous aviez raison, ce n'est finalement pas si compliqué (lorsque
> l'on a les bonnes explications).
> 
> Merci encore à tous de votre aide,
> 
> Cordialement.
> 
> Le 04/08/2016 à 14:14, Georges a écrit :
>>
>> Le Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:53:03 +0200,
>>
>> S a écrit :
>>
>>> Bonjour,
>>>
>>> Encore merci pour l'info.
>>>
>>> J'ai complété le fichier isolinux/live.cfg à l'endroit indiqué avec
>>> lang=fr_FR.UTF-8 locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyboard-model=pc105
>>> keyboard-layouts=fr keyboard-variant=latin9 timezone=Europe/Paris
>>> utc=yes vga=791
>>>
>>> Cela fonctionne parfaitement au redémarrage. Maintenant, il me reste à
>>> franciser quelques logiciels (Iceweasel, Libreoffice, …). Je pense que
>>> je devrai trouver comment faire. Si ce n'est pas le cas je posterai de
>>> nouveau.
>>
>> 1- apt-get update
>> 2- lancer synaptic
>> 3- chercher l10n-fr et -fr
>> 4- installer ce qui manque
>> 5- "tout mettre à jour" oui si apt-listbugs est installé
>>>
>>> Vous remerciant encore pour l'aide (qui incite vraiment à passer à
>>> Linux et Débian),
>>
>>  de rien
>>  
>>> Cordialement.
>> [/coupé]
>>

Re: Live cd Debian 8.3 en FR

[SB45730]

Re,

Finalement, j'ai installé sur une clé de 8 Go
debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-mate-desktop.

Pour la partie clavier, interface bureau, ..., pas de problèmes, je suis
bien en fr en modifiant le fichier live.cfg comme indiqué précédemment.

Pour les applications, j'ai bien fait la manipulation ci-dessous. Cela
fonctionne parfaitement avec toutes applications sélectionnées
(Iceweasel, LibreOffice, Gimp, ...) qui sont désormais en fr.

J'ai désormais un clé live de la dernière Débian stable francisée. C'est
génial. Vous aviez raison, ce n'est finalement pas si compliqué (lorsque
l'on a les bonnes explications).

Merci encore à tous de votre aide,

Cordialement.

Le 04/08/2016 à 14:14, Georges a écrit :
> 
> Le Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:53:03 +0200,
> 
> S a écrit :
> 
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Encore merci pour l'info.
>>
>> J'ai complété le fichier isolinux/live.cfg à l'endroit indiqué avec
>> lang=fr_FR.UTF-8 locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyboard-model=pc105
>> keyboard-layouts=fr keyboard-variant=latin9 timezone=Europe/Paris
>> utc=yes vga=791
>>
>> Cela fonctionne parfaitement au redémarrage. Maintenant, il me reste à
>> franciser quelques logiciels (Iceweasel, Libreoffice, …). Je pense que
>> je devrai trouver comment faire. Si ce n'est pas le cas je posterai de
>> nouveau.
> 
> 1- apt-get update
> 2- lancer synaptic
> 3- chercher l10n-fr et -fr
> 4- installer ce qui manque
> 5- "tout mettre à jour" oui si apt-listbugs est installé
>>
>> Vous remerciant encore pour l'aide (qui incite vraiment à passer à
>> Linux et Débian),
> 
>  de rien
>  
>> Cordialement.
> [/coupé]
> 

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 09:48:45 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Thursday 04 August 2016 14:02:45 Charlie wrote:
> > All wisdom is rooted in learning to call things by the right name.
> > When things are properly identified, they fall into natural
> > categories and understanding becomes orderly.
>
> Provided that everyone agrees on what the names mean.  In this case,
> as frequently, there is considerable disagreement on what the names
> mean.
>
> I once got an email asking me to check the check and check the list if
> it was correct.  Ouch!!  Now let me put that into "proper" (now there
> is another term we could argue about) English, as I eventually managed
> to do:
>
> He wanted me to check the cheque, and tick the list if it was correct.
>
> I will now go and put my trunk in the boot of my car, check the oil
> under the bonnet, and make sure that I have got enough petrol.
>
> (Translation for those who need it):
> I will go put my large strong steel-bound canvas-covered wooden box in
> the trunk of my automobile, check the oil under the hood and make sure
> that I have enough gas.  (Translation not perfect - it is nearly 65
> years since I did sixth grade)

75 for me.

> There is no such thing as a "right name".  Sorry, Confucius. ;-)
>
> Lisi

I would not make excuses for Confucius, he did not live in a time where 
we can send a message from small town West Virginia, USA, to Ulan Bator, 
Mongolia in a few hundred milliseconds. While he was an excellent 
observer and commentator of his times, he was also subject to the speed 
of communications.

The right "name" in my mind now has at least 10 aliases per name 
dependent on the locale of the speaker, and its those who do not learn 
that, are those which will find themselves left behind.

OTOH, the spoken version of what we both write and call English, is not 
as easily understood as the regional accents are much more different 
when spoken.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Jessie "Freeze" aléatoire, lien avec Gnome?

[block . chain]

Je viens d'installer/tester xfce et je n'ai aucun prbm avec ce bureau. 
Cela semble confirmer l'hypothese d'un souci avec Gnome... 

- Mail original -

De: "block chain"  
À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org 
Envoyé: Jeudi 4 Août 2016 15:10:00 
Objet: Jessie "Freeze" aléatoire, lien avec Gnome? 

Bonjour, 
Je suis nouvel utilisateur de Debian et de cette liste. 
Je vous prie d'excuser d'avance les approximations dans mes questions ou les 
manquements à la Netiquette... 

J'ai installé Jessie il y a qq jours, y compris avec le package non-free (à 
cause d'une carte graphique Nvidia) mais je n'arrive pas à l'utiliser en mode 
desktop (avec Gnome). 
A chaque session Gnome, au bout de qq minutes je suis bloqué par un "freeze" 
général du système) 
En mode console tout va bien (au lieu de me logguer avec gdm je passe sur tty) 
Au début j'ai pensé à un problème disque/alimentation (je l'ai installé sur un 
SSD tout neuf) mais j'ai testé une install sur mon vieux disque dur et 
j'observe le même problème. 
Je n'ai pas essayé d'utiliser un autre bureau pour savoir si le problème est 
spécifique à GNOME puisque j'aimerais rester sur GNOME. 
Faute de solution je m'y résoudrai peut être plus tard. 

J'ai joint en attachment les fichiers de log syslog, Xorg.0.log et messages 
d'une session réalisée aujourd'hui à titre d'example. 

1- Login avec gdm 
2- Ouverture de iceweasel 
3- Requête internet 
4- Plantage... (Freeze de l'écran, la souris bouge mais ne peut clicker sur 
quoi que ce soit ; le clavier ne réagit pas non plus, sauf avec le magic SysRq 
alt+Print Screen+b qui me permet de rebooter. 
5- Log avec tty et récupération des fichiers de log 


J'ai bien repéré qq ligne avec "CRITICAL" dans le fichier syslog mais je ne 
sais pas trop les interpréter. 
GLib-GObject-CRITICAL 
GLib-GIO-CRITICAL 


Merci pour toute forme de soutien. 
Je peux donner des information complémentaires si nécessaire (merci de 
m'indiquer lesquelles) 

Vincent 

Re: Dúvida...

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 09:45:44AM -0300, Luiz Frederico Gaertner wrote:
> Bom dia Senhores,
> 
> Alguém saberia me informar qual a política para atualização de pacotes?
> No caso, verifiquei que o linphone encontra-se na versão 3.9 (no site do
> proprietário) porém, a versão no repositório do Jessie é a versão 3.6.

No Jessie vai ser 3.6 pra sempre. Com raríssimas exceções em casos de
impossibilidade de suporte de segurança para versões mais antigas
(exemplo: navegadores), novas versões de pacotes não entram numa versão
estável da distribuição.

A propósito mesmo na testing o linphone continua na versão 3.6. Como
tudo mais no Debian, atualizar depende de alguém que se importe o
suficiente fazer o trabalho (atualizar o pacote, testar, resolver bugs,
etc).

dando uma olhada rápida no BTS, talvez os mantenedores (time de VOIP)
precisem de ajuda:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743474

uma vez que esteja atualizado no testing, aí alguém pode fazer um
backport (se isso for posssível), e você pode instalar através do
jessie-backports.


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Re: Compartir wifi mediante un AP wifi...

[JAP]

El 20/07/16 a las 13:55, luisededios escribió:

Y este otro.

(...)


A ver, si quieres compartir una conexion -mediante un AP wifi en tu
laptop- que te llega por ethernet debes que crear un puente entre tu
interfaz ethernet y la interfaz wifi. Ambas son físicas.

Pero en mi caso, como quiero recibir via wifi y también compartir por
esta vía, y como obviamente necesitas dos interfaces y tienes una sola,
entonces debes crear una virtual y unirlas mediante un puente.

Eso es lo que entiendo yo, no es así?


(...)

Ni idea. Me temo que ese escenario no lo cubre el manual de JAP que es
específico para conectar una red ethernet y otra wifi, vamos, hacer que
el ordenador actúe como un "punto de acceso".

En tu caso necesitas un portal cautivo ("hotspot") y redirigir la salida
a Internet de los clientes conectado por la conexión de datos GSM (es
decir, compartir la conexión de datos a través del wifi que es una de las
posibilidades que ofrece la versión de pago de "Connectify"). Pero esto
lo sé porque me lo has dicho fuera de lista no por los datos que hayas
aportado en este hilo. Si defines claramente lo que tienes y lo que
quieres quizá tengas más suerte :-)


Compartir la conexión por datos móviles mediante hostpot(AP wifi) es una
funcionalidad que traen por default muchos móviles. Esto es lo que
normalmente hago para poder usar el email en casa pues no tengo internet
acá.

Ahora, lo que estoy tratando de lograr es compartir la conexión a internet
que tenemos en los puntos de acceso wifi que se están habilitando en todo
el país pero mediante un AP wifi en la propia laptop. Como notarás tengo
una sola tarjeta wifi para ambas funcionalidades:

1. recibir wifi y,

2. compartirla mediante un AP wifi

Obviamente, si tengo una sola interfaz física para wifi, entonces habría
que definir una virtual.

Esto lo ilustró perfectamente JAP en su bosquejo.

Luego, el me pasó un enlace de algo similar que el implementó pero, en
dicho diseño, el recibe internet mediante ethernet y lo comparte mediante
un AP wifi. Esto ya lo tengo implementado en mi ambiente de simulación, es
decir, una pc conectada mediante cable a una laptop.

En el diseño de JAP, el configura un puente en el cual une dos interfaces
físicas: eth0 y wlan0, pero en el mío debo configurar un puente para unir,
digámoslo de algún modo, una interfaz wifi física con otra interfaz wifi
pero virtual. Este último detalle es el que no he podido lograr pues el
sistema se queja diciéndome, can't add wlan0 on bridge br0: operación no
soportada.

De hecho el AP ya está implementado pues los móviles lo detectan pero al
no poder recibir ip no pueden registrarse en el AP, así que no logran
conectarse, por lo que debo resolver el problema de este eslabón.

Esto debe ser perfectamente posible pues la caja negra 'connectify' lo
hace.

Me entiendes ahora?  :)

Agregar que ya tengo en la laptop dns y dhcp trajando, bueno... dhcp aún
no, pues está un poco 'encangrejao' pero espero sacarlo en breve.




Luis, buenos días.
Estuve de vacaciones, por eso no seguí el hilo.
Por privado me preguntaste, y te contesté que las antenas de WiFi de las 
portátiles *no suelen tener función MASTER* para servir de AP (punto de 
acceso).

Si no puede funcionar como AP, entonces no podrás hacer nada.
Si funciona como AP, sería posible configurar el repetidor.

Eso se verifica con la instrucción
# iw list

(...)
Available Antennas: TX 0 RX 0
Supported interface modes:
 * IBSS
 * managed
 * AP
 * AP/VLAN
 * WDS
 * monitor
 * mesh point
(...)

Ese que listé, es una interfaz inalámbrica USB que tengo conectada a la 
computadora de escritorio, y tiene facilidades RX y TX para funcionar 
como AP, que es justamente para lo que la uso. (De esa configuración 
surgió el tutorial que escribí).


De lo que has estado probando, fijate si te has asegurado que la 
transmisión como AP no tenga el mismo canal que la recepción. Eso genera 
interferencias.


JAP

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 14:02:45 Charlie wrote:
> All wisdom is rooted in learning to call things by the right name. When
> things are properly identified, they fall into natural categories and
> understanding becomes orderly.

Provided that everyone agrees on what the names mean.  In this case, as 
frequently, there is considerable disagreement on what the names mean. 

I once got an email asking me to check the check and check the list if it was 
correct.  Ouch!!  Now let me put that into "proper" (now there is another 
term we could argue about) English, as I eventually managed to do:

He wanted me to check the cheque, and tick the list if it was correct.

I will now go and put my trunk in the boot of my car, check the oil under the 
bonnet, and make sure that I have got enough petrol.  

(Translation for those who need it):
I will go put my large strong steel-bound canvas-covered wooden box in the 
trunk of my automobile, check the oil under the hood and make sure that I 
have enough gas.  (Translation not perfect - it is nearly 65 years since I 
did sixth grade)

There is no such thing as a "right name".  Sorry, Confucius. ;-)

Lisi

Re: Configurar exim

[Camaleón]

El Thu, 04 Aug 2016 09:39:30 +0200, Josu Lazkano escribió:

> Buenas a todos,
> 
> Tengo un pequeño problema con la configuracion de mi exim.
> 
> En el servidor Debian tengo configurado una cuenta de gmail para poder
> enviar los correos del sistema. Da la casualidad que mi usuario en el
> server es "lazkano" y no se porque razon envia los correos a
> "lazk...@gmail.com". 

Bueno, el motivo lo tendrás en los registros de Exim pero me da la nariz 
que puede haber algo en el "/etc/aliases".

(...)

> Esta es mi configuracion:
> 
> # cat /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
> 
> dc_eximconfig_configtype='satellite'
> dc_other_hostnames='servidor.servidor'

Hum... con esa configuración le dices que los mensajes locales los 
gestione localmente y no a través de Gmail ¿no? por lo que entiendo que 
no está detectando el nombre (o el origen) de tu equipo correctamente, 
quizá por un conflicto entre "/etc/hosts", un servidor DNS que tengas 
configurado por ahi o la variable "dc_other_hostnames" de Exim.

> dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1 ; ::1'

(...)

Quizá aquí debas añadir la IP local (192.168.0.x) además de la interfaz 
de retrobucle.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Charlie]

On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 07:29:23 -0500 John Hasler sent:

> Programs do sometimes open in other viewports..

After contemplation, my reply is:

Until now, I have never had a program open in a different viewport from
where it was opened, unless...

Brought up and clicked on a program and before it could open, moved my
mouse cursor onto a different viewport and/or desktop before the
program/package had opened.

So after opening a program on a viewport that I had just had another
program finish opening. I would click on another program, and before it
opened, move the cursor to the desktop and viewport where I wanted it to
open and click on it, and it would open in that location. However, that
is by design. It opened exactly where required.

Stay well,
Charlie

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Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

For take thy balance if thou be so wise And weigh the wind that
under heaven doth blow; Or weigh the light that in the east
doth rise; Or weigh the thought that from man's mind doth
flow. Voltaire

***

Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed.

-

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Charlie]

On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 07:29:23 -0500 John Hasler sent:

> David writes:
> > I ran two desktops on two screens/graphics cards in fvwm for many
> > years and the boundary between them was impermeable.  
> 
> That has been my experience running four FVWM desktops with sixteen
> viewports each on my machine and also on my wife's machine.  Programs
> do sometimes open in other viewports  but I've never had one show up
> on the wrong desktop, and I've never found a way to move them there.

After contemplation, my reply is:

So there are four desktops labelled as described in my previous post,
and the four within those labelled desktops are called view ports.

Thank you for that clarification.

In the words of Confucius:

All wisdom is rooted in learning to call things by the right name. When
things are properly identified, they fall into natural categories and
understanding becomes orderly.
.Confucius

So my original post should have read:

Chromium jumps onto different desktops and view ports, at random and as
it pleases. Not on the view port of the desktop on which it was opened.

Thank you.

Be well,
Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it
is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be
achieved  ...W J Bryan

***

Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed.

-

Re: Dúvida...

[Paulo Alexandre A.P. de Oliveira]

Basicamente são colocadas nos repositórios versões que estão bem
testadas e consideradas estáveis. Estas versões não são necessáriamente
as mais recentes, pois leva algum tempo até serem consideradas estáveis.

No entanto para versões mais recentes, podes usar a versão testing do
Debian.

Espero que isso ajude.

Às 12:45 de 04-08-2016, Luiz Frederico Gaertner escreveu:
> Bom dia Senhores,
>
> Alguém saberia me informar qual a política para atualização de pacotes?
> No caso, verifiquei que o linphone encontra-se na versão 3.9 (no site
> do proprietário) porém, a versão no repositório do Jessie é a versão 3.6.
>
> Alguém sabe como funciona?
>
> Grato pela atenção,
>
> Luiz Frederico

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Charlie]

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:54:58 +0100 Lisi Reisz sent:

> On Thursday 04 August 2016 03:21:20 David Wright wrote:
> > The OP said they use fvwm which exhibits the behaviour I described.
> > If you can drag the window from where it popped up to where you want
> > it, then it was on the correct *desktop*.  
> 
> No, it wasn't.   I said and meant "desktop", otherwise known as
> workspace.  If you say that the OP, who uses FVWM, said workspace and
> meant viewport, I cannot argue, since you obviously know FVWM, and I
> don't.


After contemplation, my reply is:

I have always known them as desktops, workspaces also feels right.

There are 16 of these, divided into 4 X 4. The first 4 are headed
FVWM, the second four Development, the third four Internet and the
last are labelled Misc. You can mouse drag open packages within the four
desktops of each section, but not into the next four or any other of the
12 desktops.

I'm unsure when this was so programmed. In the old times one could
mouse drag open packages into any desktop. There were no hard no go
fences between them.

Through my .xsession I have 3 xterms open on my first, one of four
desktops in that first group. Three of the desktops in that group of
four remain empty, till I open something in them

All the other sections with four desktops remain empty and I open
packages in them, as needed as I work.

Probably not explained too well, but it's late and I am weary.

Regards the original post, without using devilspie2, chromium is
staying now in the desktop where it is opened. BUt tomorrow is another
day.

Be well,
Charlie

-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

In prosperity our friends know us; in adversity we know our
friends.  Churton Collins

***

Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed.

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Debian 8.4 sgtreamer plugin memory leak

[arusev]

Hello all.

Debian 8.4 sgtreamer 1.4.4 plugin "rtmpvdepay" (gstreamer plugins-good 
packege) is leaking memory because.

The particular fix is available in gstreamer git repository.


May be an update for this package is needed for Debuian releases 8.4/8.5 ?
Could one expect gstreamer update will be released in Debian repository?


https://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-good/commit/gst/rtp/gstrtpmpvdepay.c?id=9dfae82566ac5d3e5c2bce59614cfd9278cc9a03 



diff --git a/gst/rtp/gstrtpmpvdepay.c b/gst/rtp/gstrtpmpvdepay.c
index 7d8646c..e65df92 100644
--- a/gst/rtp/gstrtpmpvdepay.c 

+++ b/gst/rtp/gstrtpmpvdepay.c 


@@ -117,7 +117,7 @@ static GstBuffer *
gst_rtp_mpv_depay_process (GstRTPBaseDepayload * depayload, GstBuffer * buf)
{
GstRtpMPVDepay *rtpmpvdepay;
- GstBuffer *outbuf;
+ GstBuffer *outbuf = NULL;
GstRTPBuffer rtp = { NULL };
rtpmpvdepay = GST_RTP_MPV_DEPAY (depayload);
@@ -176,16 +176,19 @@ gst_rtp_mpv_depay_process (GstRTPBaseDepayload * 
depayload, GstBuffer * buf)

"gst_rtp_mpv_depay_chain: pushing buffer of size %" G_GSIZE_FORMAT,
gst_buffer_get_size (outbuf));
}
- return outbuf;
}
- return NULL;
+ gst_rtp_buffer_unmap ();
+
+ return outbuf;
/* ERRORS */
empty_packet:
{
GST_ELEMENT_WARNING (rtpmpvdepay, STREAM, DECODE,
(NULL), ("Empty payload."));
+ gst_rtp_buffer_unmap ();
+ gst_buffer_unref (buf);
return NULL;
}
}

Dúvida...

[Luiz Frederico Gaertner]

Bom dia Senhores,

Alguém saberia me informar qual a política para atualização de pacotes?
No caso, verifiquei que o linphone encontra-se na versão 3.9 (no site do
proprietário) porém, a versão no repositório do Jessie é a versão 3.6.

Alguém sabe como funciona?

Grato pela atenção,

Luiz Frederico

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[John Hasler]

David writes:
> I ran two desktops on two screens/graphics cards in fvwm for many
> years and the boundary between them was impermeable.

That has been my experience running four FVWM desktops with sixteen
viewports each on my machine and also on my wife's machine.  Programs
do sometimes open in other viewports  but I've never had one show up on
the wrong desktop, and I've never found a way to move them there.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Live cd Debian 8.3 en FR

[Georges]

Le Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:53:03 +0200,

S a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> 
> Encore merci pour l'info.
> 
> J'ai complété le fichier isolinux/live.cfg à l'endroit indiqué avec
> lang=fr_FR.UTF-8 locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyboard-model=pc105
> keyboard-layouts=fr keyboard-variant=latin9 timezone=Europe/Paris
> utc=yes vga=791
> 
> Cela fonctionne parfaitement au redémarrage. Maintenant, il me reste à
> franciser quelques logiciels (Iceweasel, Libreoffice, …). Je pense que
> je devrai trouver comment faire. Si ce n'est pas le cas je posterai de
> nouveau.

1- apt-get update
2- lancer synaptic
3- chercher l10n-fr et -fr
4- installer ce qui manque
5- "tout mettre à jour" oui si apt-listbugs est installé
> 
> Vous remerciant encore pour l'aide (qui incite vraiment à passer à
> Linux et Débian),

 de rien
 
> Cordialement.
[/coupé]

Re: Icedove crashes after recent update

[Daniel Bareiro]

On 04/08/16 04:18, Emile Antonios wrote:

> Hello,

Hello, Emile.

> I've noticed that over the last few weeks Icedove is crashing. I've
> never had a problem with that before. It typically happens when clicking
> on or deleting an email. I don't get any error, it just closes.
> 
> I'm running Jessie KDE
> 
> same as:
> 
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10=128931

It seems that several of us are experiencing this issue. Here I am using
the same environment that you (KDE + Icedove in Debian Jessie, all
updated to the latest versions). Although on the references you mention
seems not to be something related to the desktop environment, because
there was also someone with XFCE who had the same problem.

I'm not sure if I began to see this after the last update or before, but
I can say that quite some time and became something a little annoying.

Doing some tests running Icedove from a console, it seems that a
segmentation fault occurs.

Doing some debug based on this document [1], I found several reasons for
this:

* A file not found:

-
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
nsHTMLCSSStyleSheet::~nsHTMLCSSStyleSheet
(this=this@entry=0x7fffc75fd380, __in_chrg=)
at
/build/icedove-tNL3mB/icedove-45.1.0/mozilla/layout/style/nsHTMLCSSStyleSheet.cpp:42
42
/build/icedove-tNL3mB/icedove-45.1.0/mozilla/layout/style/nsHTMLCSSStyleSheet.cpp:
No such file or directory.
-

* Some kind of problem related to libxul:

-
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x74a2f550 in vtable for nsDisplayXULImage () from
/usr/lib/icedove/libxul.so
-
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x74a09fd0 in vtable for nsDisplayBackgroundImage () from
/usr/lib/icedove/libxul.so
-

* I'm not sure what happened here:

-
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x in ?? ()
-


Unfortunately I had the head working on other things and left this issue
a little aside for the moment.

Have you installed some add-on? Here I'm using Enigmail, Iceowl, Inverse
SOGO Connector and Provider for Google Calendar (I do not remember to
have installed the the Google Calendar add-on so maybe it was some
automatic dependency).

Kind regards,
Daniel

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/Icedove#Debugging



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Re: Wheezy Xfce losing mouse clicks

[Mark Fletcher]

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 at 13:59, David Christensen 
wrote:

> On 08/03/2016 07:19 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > Try another mouse?
>
> Decent idea -- I'll give it a try and report back.
>
>
> David
>
> If your mouse is Bluetooth / wireless, it could be the battery needs
replacing or you could be near the limit of its range to the receiver. I
had a similar problem to this until I used a usb extension lead to allow me
to have the receiver on the desk near the mouse. That fixed it for me.

Mark

Re: Icedove crashes after recent update

[Mike McGinn]

On 08/04/2016 03:18 AM, Emile Antonios wrote:

Hello,

I've noticed that over the last few weeks Icedove is crashing. I've
never had a problem with that before. It typically happens when clicking
on or deleting an email. I don't get any error, it just closes.

I'm running Jessie KDE

same as:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10=128931

Thanks and regards

Emile


I had the same problem. So I installed Thunderbird, typed "ln -s 
.icedove .thunderbird" in my home directory and stopped worrying about it.


Mike

--
Mike McGinn KD2CNU
President, UU Congregation at Rock Tavern * www.uucrt.org
Laziness is what separates us from the beavers.
More kidneys than eyes ** Registered Linux User 377849

Re: Icedove crashes after recent update

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 04/08/16 09:53, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:

On 04/08/16 08:18, Emile Antonios wrote:

Hello,

I've noticed that over the last few weeks Icedove is crashing. I've
never had a problem with that before. It typically happens when clicking
on or deleting an email. I don't get any error, it just closes.

I'm running Jessie KDE

same as:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10=128931

Thanks and regards

Emile



Ditto here, same environment.


Yep, I see that too; sometimes it just disappears without my touching it.

Same environment.


--
Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org
Buckinghamshire, England |

Re: Icedove crashes after recent update

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 04/08/16 08:18, Emile Antonios wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've noticed that over the last few weeks Icedove is crashing. I've
> never had a problem with that before. It typically happens when clicking
> on or deleting an email. I don't get any error, it just closes.
> 
> I'm running Jessie KDE
> 
> same as:
> 
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10=128931
> 
> Thanks and regards
> 
> Emile
> 
> 
Ditto here, same environment.

Peter HB

Re: Configurar exim

[Josu Lazkano]

Gracias!

Lo acabo de cambiar, os digo si envia mas correos.

Un saludo.

El día 4 de agosto de 2016, 10:00, fernando sainz
 escribió:
> El día 4 de agosto de 2016, 9:39, Josu Lazkano
>  escribió:
>> Buenas a todos,
>>
>> Tengo un pequeño problema con la configuracion de mi exim.
>>
>> En el servidor Debian tengo configurado una cuenta de gmail para poder
>> enviar los correos del sistema. Da la casualidad que mi usuario en el
>> server es "lazkano" y no se porque razon envia los correos a
>> "lazk...@gmail.com". Asi que una tal Marta Lazkano me esta diciendo
>> que le llegan un monton de mensajes del tipo:
>>
>> 2016-06-10 13:19:02 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed:
>> Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned
>> 2016-07-02 20:06:58 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed:
>> Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned
>> 2016-07-04 14:06:01 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed:
>> Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned
>>
>> Esta es mi configuracion:
>>
>> # cat /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
>>
>> dc_eximconfig_configtype='satellite'
>> dc_other_hostnames='servidor.servidor'
>> dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1 ; ::1'
>> dc_readhost='gmail.com'
>> dc_relay_domains=''
>> dc_minimaldns='false'
>> dc_relay_nets=''
>> dc_smarthost='smtp.gmail.com::587'
>> CFILEMODE='644'
>> dc_use_split_config='true'
>> dc_hide_mailname='true'
>> dc_mailname_in_oh='true'
>> dc_localdelivery='mail_spool'
>>
>> No se como hacer para que no envie a "mi_usuario"@gmail.com
>>
>> Un saludo.
>> --
>> Josu Lazkano
>>
>
> Hola.
> Yo tengo una configuración de smarthost en vez de satellite, pero creo
> que el campo que tienes mal es el  dc_readhost, que debería ser un
> dominio tuyo, no gmail.
>
> Echa un vistazo a la documentación.
>
> S2.
>



-- 
Josu Lazkano

Re: Configurar exim

[fernando sainz]

El día 4 de agosto de 2016, 9:39, Josu Lazkano
 escribió:
> Buenas a todos,
>
> Tengo un pequeño problema con la configuracion de mi exim.
>
> En el servidor Debian tengo configurado una cuenta de gmail para poder
> enviar los correos del sistema. Da la casualidad que mi usuario en el
> server es "lazkano" y no se porque razon envia los correos a
> "lazk...@gmail.com". Asi que una tal Marta Lazkano me esta diciendo
> que le llegan un monton de mensajes del tipo:
>
> 2016-06-10 13:19:02 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed:
> Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned
> 2016-07-02 20:06:58 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed:
> Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned
> 2016-07-04 14:06:01 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed:
> Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned
>
> Esta es mi configuracion:
>
> # cat /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
>
> dc_eximconfig_configtype='satellite'
> dc_other_hostnames='servidor.servidor'
> dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1 ; ::1'
> dc_readhost='gmail.com'
> dc_relay_domains=''
> dc_minimaldns='false'
> dc_relay_nets=''
> dc_smarthost='smtp.gmail.com::587'
> CFILEMODE='644'
> dc_use_split_config='true'
> dc_hide_mailname='true'
> dc_mailname_in_oh='true'
> dc_localdelivery='mail_spool'
>
> No se como hacer para que no envie a "mi_usuario"@gmail.com
>
> Un saludo.
> --
> Josu Lazkano
>

Hola.
Yo tengo una configuración de smarthost en vez de satellite, pero creo
que el campo que tienes mal es el  dc_readhost, que debería ser un
dominio tuyo, no gmail.

Echa un vistazo a la documentación.

S2.

Re: Chromium jumps to any workspace it likes.......

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 03:21:20 David Wright wrote:
> The OP said they use fvwm which exhibits the behaviour I described.
> If you can drag the window from where it popped up to where you want
> it, then it was on the correct *desktop*.

No, it wasn't.   I said and meant "desktop", otherwise known as workspace.  If 
you say that the OP, who uses FVWM, said workspace and meant viewport, I 
cannot argue, since you obviously know FVWM, and I don't.

Lisi

Re: Live cd Debian 8.3 en FR

[SB45730]

Bonjour,

Encore merci pour l'info.

J'ai complété le fichier isolinux/live.cfg à l'endroit indiqué avec
lang=fr_FR.UTF-8 locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyboard-model=pc105
keyboard-layouts=fr keyboard-variant=latin9 timezone=Europe/Paris
utc=yes vga=791

Cela fonctionne parfaitement au redémarrage. Maintenant, il me reste à
franciser quelques logiciels (Iceweasel, Libreoffice, …). Je pense que
je devrai trouver comment faire. Si ce n'est pas le cas je posterai de
nouveau.

Vous remerciant encore pour l'aide (qui incite vraiment à passer à Linux
et Débian),

Cordialement.

Le 03/08/2016 à 20:44, didier gaumet a écrit :
> Le 03/08/2016 à 19:54, SB45730 a écrit :
> [...]
>> Où faut il que je fasse la modification pour que ce soit persistent ?
> 
> https://www.debian-fr.org/t/comment-franciser-debian-live-squeeze/54069
> 

Configurar exim

[Josu Lazkano]

Buenas a todos,

Tengo un pequeño problema con la configuracion de mi exim.

En el servidor Debian tengo configurado una cuenta de gmail para poder
enviar los correos del sistema. Da la casualidad que mi usuario en el
server es "lazkano" y no se porque razon envia los correos a
"lazk...@gmail.com". Asi que una tal Marta Lazkano me esta diciendo
que le llegan un monton de mensajes del tipo:

2016-06-10 13:19:02 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed:
Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned
2016-07-02 20:06:58 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed:
Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned
2016-07-04 14:06:01 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed:
Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned

Esta es mi configuracion:

# cat /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf

dc_eximconfig_configtype='satellite'
dc_other_hostnames='servidor.servidor'
dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1 ; ::1'
dc_readhost='gmail.com'
dc_relay_domains=''
dc_minimaldns='false'
dc_relay_nets=''
dc_smarthost='smtp.gmail.com::587'
CFILEMODE='644'
dc_use_split_config='true'
dc_hide_mailname='true'
dc_mailname_in_oh='true'
dc_localdelivery='mail_spool'

No se como hacer para que no envie a "mi_usuario"@gmail.com

Un saludo.
-- 
Josu Lazkano

Icedove crashes after recent update

[Emile Antonios]

Hello,

I've noticed that over the last few weeks Icedove is crashing. I've 
never had a problem with that before. It typically happens when clicking 
on or deleting an email. I don't get any error, it just closes.


I'm running Jessie KDE

same as:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10=128931

Thanks and regards

Emile

Re: [HS] firefox problème clavier retour veille

[Francois Mescam]

Il y a déjà un rapport de bug qui s'approche de cela :

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819116



On 04/08/2016 08:09, Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers wrote:

On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 17:27:41 +0200
Francois Mescam  wrote:

bonjour


J'utilise xfce

moi aussi - j'avais oublié de le préciser
sous testing et le problème que j'ai rencontré est avec

ce gestionnaire de bureau tant sous unstable que sous testing, je ne
sais s'il a lieu avec gnome ou kde.

Il y a quelques semaines lors de l'arrivée de light-locker j'ai eu un
problème similaire au tien que je résolvais en tapant quelque chose dans
un terminal puis en revenant dans firefox.

A partir du moment où j'ai enlevé le paquet xscreensaver ce problème a
disparu,

je vais tenter cette manip
peut-être qu'en parallèle des évolutions de la prise en compte

des cartes graphiques Intel y sont aussi pour quelque chose.

peut-être faudrait-il faire un rapport de bug ?

En revanche depuis cette date la mise en vielle automatique au bout
d'une durée de non activité ne fonctionne plus, il faut que je pense à
fermer le capot ou a faire une mise en veille explicite.

Merci pour ta réponse,



--
 Francois Mescam

Re: [HS] firefox problème clavier retour veille

[Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers]

On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 17:27:41 +0200
Francois Mescam  wrote:

bonjour

> J'utilise xfce 
moi aussi - j'avais oublié de le préciser
sous testing et le problème que j'ai rencontré est avec 
> ce gestionnaire de bureau tant sous unstable que sous testing, je ne 
> sais s'il a lieu avec gnome ou kde.
> 
> Il y a quelques semaines lors de l'arrivée de light-locker j'ai eu un 
> problème similaire au tien que je résolvais en tapant quelque chose dans 
> un terminal puis en revenant dans firefox.
> 
> A partir du moment où j'ai enlevé le paquet xscreensaver ce problème a 
> disparu, 
je vais tenter cette manip
peut-être qu'en parallèle des évolutions de la prise en compte 
> des cartes graphiques Intel y sont aussi pour quelque chose.

peut-être faudrait-il faire un rapport de bug ? 
> 
> En revanche depuis cette date la mise en vielle automatique au bout 
> d'une durée de non activité ne fonctionne plus, il faut que je pense à 
> fermer le capot ou a faire une mise en veille explicite.

Merci pour ta réponse, 
-- 
Cordialement, 

Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers 


> 
> On 02/08/2016 12:32, Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers wrote:
> > Bonjour,
> > depuis quelques semaines j'ai un problème un peu surprenant avec
> > Firefox: lors des retours de veille, le clavier est inactif et il faut
> > que j'ouvre une nouvelle fenêtre pour récupérer l'utilisation du
> > clavier (qui reste inactif dans la 1ère fenêtre).
> > Je viens de constater un peu par hasard que si j'ouvre une fenêtre de
> > rédaction de message dans mon logiciel de messagerie (Sylpheed) cela me
> > permet de réactiver l'utilisation du clavier dans Firefox !!
> > J'ai fait des recherches sur le web et en particulier sur le support
> > Mozilla sans rien trouver.
> > Si quelqu'un a une idée je suis preneur.
> >
> > Mon portable est sous Stretch.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
>   Francois Mescam
>