Reuniting disks in a raid1 array

[Frédéric Marchal]

Hello,

I had two disks in a mdadm software raid1 on an old computer.

I moved sda to a new computer. It ran there in a degraded raid1 for months.

The second disk, sdb, kept running as the lone survivor of the original raid1 
on the old computer.

Now, it's time for the old computer to retire and sdb to join its partner in 
the new raid1 on the new computer.

How can I do this safely?

Do I have to wipe sdb before adding it to the new computer? If so, how do I 
make sure raid data is gone from every one of the three partitions?

Or maybe mdadm will see that sda was used more recently than sdb and will 
synchronize sda onto sdb?

Thanks,

Frederic

Re: Any idea when CVE-2016-5696 is going to get fixed?

[Charlie]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 23:39:01 +0100 Lisi Reisz sent:

> On Monday 29 August 2016 22:44:52 deloptes wrote:
> > Crazy but fact. IMHO people try to convince themself it will never
> > happen (to them). I would like to know why and how one could deal
> > with such line of argumentation.  
> 
> You can't.  I live with it!  I now just say: please, please, please,
> if you must publish your own personal data (name, date of birth,
> address, bank account details etc. etc.) far and wide, would you not
> publish mine?
> 
> A recent study showed that pessimists live 3 to 4 years longer than
> optimists. I'm afraid that I can't for now reference it.  That is
> clearly because of their healthy paranoia!
> 
> Lisi
> 


After contemplation, my reply is:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/pessimists-live-longer-lives-study_n_2781598

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and call it hard names. It is not so bad as you are. It looks
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Re: Any idea when CVE-2016-5696 is going to get fixed?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 29 August 2016 22:44:52 deloptes wrote:
> Crazy but fact. IMHO people try to convince themself it will never happen
> (to them). I would like to know why and how one could deal with such line
> of argumentation.

You can't.  I live with it!  I now just say: please, please, please, if you 
must publish your own personal data (name, date of birth, address, bank 
account details etc. etc.) far and wide, would you not publish mine?

A recent study showed that pessimists live 3 to 4 years longer than optimists.  
I'm afraid that I can't for now reference it.  That is clearly because of 
their healthy paranoia!

Lisi

Re: debian version ID

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 29 August 2016 20:45:21 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> /etc/debian_version coincidentally adds the minor
> release

Whatever the reason, it is very helpful to some of us that it does so, so long 
may it continue to do so!! :-)

Thank you for the helpful explanation, Andrew.

Lisi

Re: Any idea when CVE-2016-5696 is going to get fixed?

[deloptes]

Perry E. Metzger wrote:

> I don't get why everyone wants to argue that a problem that is known
> to be bad and is fixed in the kernel versions released by the kernel
> maintainers should be ignored.

I'm asking myself the same, but I'm not psychotherapist to be able to
answer.
For instance a fact: "the probability of nuclear war now is higher than 25y
ago".
Mostly got an answer: "You are paranoid!"

or when I say "We must protect our data in terms of encryption, good
firewall etc", my wife asks "Why do you think someone is interested in your
activities?". My answer was "I don't know and this is the point."

Crazy but fact. IMHO people try to convince themself it will never happen
(to them). I would like to know why and how one could deal with such line
of argumentation.

regards

Re: debian version ID

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:27:39PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 12:27:31PM +0100, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> > Felix Miata:
> > 
> > >Will someone please explain (or point to, since it's not in release
> > >notes), why:
> > >1: /etc/os-release (in Jessie at least) does not include the point release
> > >version as represented by /etc/debian_version
> > 
> > Andrew M.A. Cater:
> > 
> > >/etc/os-release just contains major version - the absolute need for minor
> > >version is small.
> > 
> > Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
> > 
> > >You are going to have to explain that to its manual page, which gives
> > >VERSION_ID=11.04 as an example of what can be in the file.
> > 
> > Pascal Hambourg:
> > 
> > >This is obviously not a Debian version. Rather looks like Ubuntu.
> > 
> > That is irrelevant.  M. Miata asked for a reason.  M. Cater responded.
> > Either M. Cater is responding to explain why or xe is not explainining but
> > merely repeating what M. Miata already knows and wants to know the reason
> > for.  As an explanation why, it is clearly wrong, from simply reading the
> > user manual.  What the version number in the manual might be is simply
> > irrelevant.
> 
> What part of the man pages are you finding hard to read: it's worth noting 
> that much of this is optional
> 
> The below is the version from Debian Jessie [/etc/os-release is a symlink 
> to/from /usr/lib/os-release]
> 
> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)"
> NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
> VERSION_ID="8"
> VERSION="8 (jessie)"
> ID=debian
> HOME_URL="http://www.debian.org/";
> SUPPORT_URL="http://www.debian.org/support";
> BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/";
> 
> PRETTY_NAME is a name in a format suitable for presentation to the user. May 
> (or may not) contain a release name or OS version of some kind. If it's not 
> set,
> the default is Linux.
> NAME identifies the operating system without a version component
> VERSION_ID  is a lower case string, mostly numeric identifyng the OS version 
> for use by scripts. Optional. 
> [The examples given in the manpage are for Fedora and Ubuntu releases. NOTE: 
> These are examples and are not canonical since the whole field is optional.]
> VERSION identifies the OS version, possibly including a code name
> ID is a lower case identifier identifying the OS suitable for use in scripts
> HOME_URL, SUPPORT_URL and BUG_REPORT_URL are all optional: intended for 
> distributions providing community support and not all of these need be given.
> 
> I correctly pointed out that minor versions point releases have been of less 
> relevance since prior to Debian 7 and the last time I can think of them as 
> being very 
> relevant indeed was prior to Debian 4.0
> 
> Debian isn't Ubuntu (or Red Hat Enterprise / CentOS / Fedora / OpenSUSE) ...
> 
> Please don't impute motive to me: please do go away and read and learn as 
> much as you feel able to do before complaining about inconsistencies which 
> aren't.
> I would sinerely commend to you the Debian handbook - apt install 
> debian-handbook will get you the PDF version: it is also worth springing for 
> a paper version
> to keep at the computer side. [Also, obviously, at 
> https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals/#debian-handbook in HTML.]
> 
> Alternatively, others less charitable might recommend Eric Raymond's classic: 
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> 
> With every good wish,
> 
> Andy C (Debian user since 1994 and Debian developer since 1995)
> 
> [amaca...@debian.org]

Following up to myself (since I hadn't really bothered previously with 
/etc/debian_version which has, roughly, the same function as /etc/release on 
Red Hat) and thereby 
accidentally answering the original question asked by ?? Felix ?? Miata:

The OS portable version of OS identification is /usr/lib/os-release or 
/etc/os-release as outlined above. /etc/debian_version coincidentally adds the 
minor
release - it doesn't have a man page so I can't check why.

It appears that Ubuntu (mis)uses /etc/debian_version to point out the version 
of Debian from which Ubuntu point releases derive their basis.

Ubuntu releases typically take Debian testing at some point, spend a few months 
cleaning it up to their satisfaction - perhaps adding packages from 
Debian unstable (always, canonically, Sid) - and then release.

There is a mapping at 
http://askubuntu.com/questons/445487/which-ubuntu-version-is-equivalent-to-debian-squeeze
 if this will help anyone, but, as the question
answer points out there may be no feasible exact mapping.

Hope this helps someone at some tme

All the very best,

Andy C

automounted USB drive: All partitions cannot be accessed by user

[Alan Davis]

Hello:

I have four partitions on a USB drive, including ntfs, fat32, and
ext4. None of them is accessible as automounted. Each of them is
accessible as root, however, and  each of them is
accessible when mounted manually with this command:

 $ sudo  mount /dev/sdXN /mnt/

I realize this is a permissions issue.  In fact the error message when
clicking on one of these partitions that shows up in files or dolphin
tells me it is.

I have tried a few things and wasted some hours this morning googling
this problem, encountering a virtual Pacific Garbage Patch of
miscellaneous traffic, not one of them seeming specific to this probably
very simple problem.  (It's a sign of the times, I guess).

I can mount even a partition that already shows up as mounted on files
or dolphin and is unreadable, except for ntfs, which does not allow
itself to be mounted until unmounted first.   At this point, the newly
mounted partitions can be accessed normally.

I have tried a recipe for udev from an archilinux article, but this was
no better.

I wrote entries into /etc/fstab for each partition, using
Label=.  This does not work.  This seems strange because I have
used this in the past.  As long as these fstab entries were in the file,
the system would not boot normally.

There may be a few different things going on here?

I would very much appreciate a pointer.  I can manually mount, for now,
but since I access files on these partitions regularly, it would be
extremely helpful for them to be automatically mounted.

Alan Davis

PS.  It's good to be using Debian GNU/Linux again after many years.  The
sticking point (that led to my giving up) has almost always been
networking, usually a  wifi adaptor that is not supported.  This time it
took two days for me to copy over *deb files one at a time, but
eventually, the install succeeded, in good fashion.  

USB external drive mounting / permissions issues.

[Alan E. Davis]

[I used the wrong email address when I posted this message a few minutes
ago.  I hope I will be forgiven for reposting using this correct address.]
Hello:

I have four partitions on a USB drive, including ntfs, fat32, and
ext4. None of them is accessible as automounted. Each of them is
accessible as root, however, and  each of them is
accessible when mounted manually with this command:

 $ sudo  mount /dev/sdXN /mnt/

I realize this is a permissions issue.  In fact the error message when
clicking on one of these partitions that shows up in files or dolphin
tells me it is.

I have tried a few things and wasted some hours this morning googling
this problem, encountering a virtual Pacific Garbage Patch of
miscellaneous traffic, not one of them seeming specific to this probably
very simple problem.  (It's a sign of the times, I guess).

I can mount even a partition that already shows up as mounted on files
or dolphin and is unreadable, except for ntfs, which does not allow
itself to be mounted until unmounted first.   At this point, the newly
mounted partitions can be accessed normally.

I have tried a recipe for udev from an archilinux article, but this was
no better.

I wrote entries into /etc/fstab for each partition, using
Label=.  This does not work.  This seems strange because I have
used this in the past.  As long as these fstab entries were in the file,
the system would not boot normally.

There may be a few different things going on here?

I would very much appreciate a pointer.  I can manually mount, for now,
but since I access files on these partitions regularly, it would be
extremely helpful for them to be automatically mounted.

Alan Davis

PS.  It's good to be using Debian GNU/Linux again after many years.  The
sticking point (that led to my giving up) has almost always been
networking, usually a  wifi adaptor that is not supported.  This time it
took two days for me to copy over *deb files one at a time, but
eventually, the install succeeded, in good fashion.

-- 

"Sweet instruments hung up in cases. . . keep their sounds to themselves."

 ---Shakespeare, _Timon of Athens_

Re: Any idea when CVE-2016-5696 is going to get fixed?

[Perry E. Metzger]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:30:11 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt"
 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Normally security things are pushed right on thru particularly 
> > when they are a one file changed in the whole kernel source
> > tree.  Why not this time?  
> 
> I guess because it is easy to work around
> 
>   https://access.redhat.com/security/vulnerabilities/challengeack
> 
> and the maintainers don't want to shoot their foot immediately again
> by a hasty bugfix release.

The official bug fix is already done in the 4.7 kernel and has been
back ported to all the kernels of interest. Apparently it is in the
works for the Debian tree already, though no one has said when the
patches will be released.

As for workarounds, they do no good for the overwhelming majority of
users since they are unaware that they need to push out workarounds.
Users rely on the security update mechanism to get their security
updates. Most organizations aren't even equipped to follow the
torrent of security alerts happening at any given time on an
independent basis.

Perry
-- 
Perry E. Metzgerpe...@piermont.com

Re: debian version ID

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 12:27:31PM +0100, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Felix Miata:
> 
> >Will someone please explain (or point to, since it's not in release
> >notes), why:
> >1: /etc/os-release (in Jessie at least) does not include the point release
> >version as represented by /etc/debian_version
> 
> Andrew M.A. Cater:
> 
> >/etc/os-release just contains major version - the absolute need for minor
> >version is small.
> 
> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
> 
> >You are going to have to explain that to its manual page, which gives
> >VERSION_ID=11.04 as an example of what can be in the file.
> 
> Pascal Hambourg:
> 
> >This is obviously not a Debian version. Rather looks like Ubuntu.
> 
> That is irrelevant.  M. Miata asked for a reason.  M. Cater responded.
> Either M. Cater is responding to explain why or xe is not explainining but
> merely repeating what M. Miata already knows and wants to know the reason
> for.  As an explanation why, it is clearly wrong, from simply reading the
> user manual.  What the version number in the manual might be is simply
> irrelevant.

What part of the man pages are you finding hard to read: it's worth noting that 
much of this is optional

The below is the version from Debian Jessie [/etc/os-release is a symlink 
to/from /usr/lib/os-release]

PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="8"
VERSION="8 (jessie)"
ID=debian
HOME_URL="http://www.debian.org/";
SUPPORT_URL="http://www.debian.org/support";
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/";

PRETTY_NAME is a name in a format suitable for presentation to the user. May 
(or may not) contain a release name or OS version of some kind. If it's not set,
the default is Linux.
NAME identifies the operating system without a version component
VERSION_ID  is a lower case string, mostly numeric identifyng the OS version 
for use by scripts. Optional. 
[The examples given in the manpage are for Fedora and Ubuntu releases. NOTE: 
These are examples and are not canonical since the whole field is optional.]
VERSION identifies the OS version, possibly including a code name
ID is a lower case identifier identifying the OS suitable for use in scripts
HOME_URL, SUPPORT_URL and BUG_REPORT_URL are all optional: intended for 
distributions providing community support and not all of these need be given.

I correctly pointed out that minor versions point releases have been of less 
relevance since prior to Debian 7 and the last time I can think of them as 
being very 
relevant indeed was prior to Debian 4.0

Debian isn't Ubuntu (or Red Hat Enterprise / CentOS / Fedora / OpenSUSE) ...

Please don't impute motive to me: please do go away and read and learn as much 
as you feel able to do before complaining about inconsistencies which aren't.
I would sinerely commend to you the Debian handbook - apt install 
debian-handbook will get you the PDF version: it is also worth springing for a 
paper version
to keep at the computer side. [Also, obviously, at 
https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals/#debian-handbook in HTML.]

Alternatively, others less charitable might recommend Eric Raymond's classic: 
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

With every good wish,

Andy C (Debian user since 1994 and Debian developer since 1995)

[amaca...@debian.org]

USB Drive "The location could not be displayed"

[Alan E. Davis]

I am using debian stretch and gnome.

When I plug in a usb external drive with four partitions (including ext4,
ntfs, fat32) they are mounted automatically, but when I click on any of
them in files or dolphin, this message is received: The location could not
be displayed.  You do not have the permissions..."

I am able to read these files as root.  Even in the command line, however,
a normal user can only see: Permission denied.

Trying to mount by label:
# mount Label= /mnt/
   I see "special device  does not exist

I am able to mount any of them with a simple "mount /dev/sdcX
/mnt/, and they are accessible.  They are not shown
automatically on dolphin, although Iall files are visible when I navigate
to the mountpoint and click in files or dolphin.

I tried changing permissions of /media.  Not solved.

an NTFS partition was not mountable unless dismounted from the automatic
mount point; as far as I can see, this is not the case for vfat or ext4
partitions.

I did copy a udev rule for setting permissions---something above my level
of understanding, however.  If anything, the situation was worse.

It has been very frustrating to google for 2 hours on this probably very
simple problem.  I think the solution is just to mount them manually.
Still, it would be helpful to automount them, or mount via fstab.  I have
not had success mouting by label, and one does not know in advance whether
some usb flash drive might preempt these drive designations.

BTW I am pleased to be running a Debian system again after some years.  It
took a good deal of work, though, to get it set up on an iMac with a
broadcom wifi adaptor!

Alan Davis


-- 
[I do not] carry such information in my mind since it is readily
available in books. …The value of a college education is not the
learning of many facts but the training of the mind to think.
  ---Albert Einstein



"Sweet instruments hung up in cases. . . keep their sounds to themselves."

 ---Shakespeare, _Timon of Athens_

Re: Any idea when CVE-2016-5696 is going to get fixed?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Gene Heskett wrote:
> Normally security things are pushed right on thru particularly 
> when they are a one file changed in the whole kernel source tree.  Why 
> not this time?

I guess because it is easy to work around

  https://access.redhat.com/security/vulnerabilities/challengeack

and the maintainers don't want to shoot their foot immediately again
by a hasty bugfix release.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Any idea when CVE-2016-5696 is going to get fixed?

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 29 August 2016 12:11:27 Perry E. Metzger wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:55:03 +0100 Tixy  wrote:
> > On Sun, 2016-08-28 at 15:36 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> > > On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:35:01 +0200 Frederic Marchal
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > Even if the requirements are met, the attack fails if the
> > > > client is protected by a stateful firewall (either on a NAT
> > > > router, modem or computer).
> > >
> > > So essentially no smartphones are protected,
> >
> > In my experience, devices on mobile phone networks don't have
> > public IP addresses,
>
> Not true, and certainly not universally true. Indeed, more and more
> now have v6 addresses as well as v4. Regardless, it makes no
> difference as you can still attack the devices in spite of the NAT.
>
> I don't get why everyone wants to argue that a problem that is known
> to be bad and is fixed in the kernel versions released by the kernel
> maintainers should be ignored.
>
> Perry

I concur.  Normally security things are pushed right on thru particularly 
when they are a one file changed in the whole kernel source tree.  Why 
not this time?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Any idea when CVE-2016-5696 is going to get fixed?

[Perry E. Metzger]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 07:25:42 +0200 Salvatore Bonaccorso
 wrote:
> The issue is already been worked on by Ben for all versions in sid,
> jessie (and wheezy lts):
> 
> sid:
> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/kernel/linux.git/commit/?h=sid&id=7184d7bfd94443b6403d71da639ec390224af594
> (but then later just used as with 4.7.2 uploaded yesterday).
> 
> jessie:
> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/kernel/linux.git/commit/?h=jessie-security&id=1bd5c3370523e5846019361b33a97c754db76f8d
> 
> wheezy:
> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/kernel/linux.git/commit/?h=wheezy-security&id=f383788fb866fc61daf26836bccd92ebf7a6f02f

Very cool. Any idea when the actual release by the security people
might be?

Perry
-- 
Perry E. Metzgerpe...@piermont.com

Re: Any idea when CVE-2016-5696 is going to get fixed?

[Perry E. Metzger]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:55:03 +0100 Tixy  wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-08-28 at 15:36 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:35:01 +0200 Frederic Marchal  
> [...]
> > > 
> > > Even if the requirements are met, the attack fails if the
> > > client is protected by a stateful firewall (either on a NAT
> > > router, modem or computer).  
> > 
> > So essentially no smartphones are protected,  
> 
> In my experience, devices on mobile phone networks don't have
> public IP addresses,

Not true, and certainly not universally true. Indeed, more and more
now have v6 addresses as well as v4. Regardless, it makes no
difference as you can still attack the devices in spite of the NAT.

I don't get why everyone wants to argue that a problem that is known
to be bad and is fixed in the kernel versions released by the kernel
maintainers should be ignored.

Perry
-- 
Perry E. Metzgerpe...@piermont.com

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)]

Hellow!

No Spam  께서 쓰시길,
 《記事 全文 <20160828210616.GC2923@jens-ThinkPad-Edge-E145> 에서》:

> Hi,
>
> So it is 12 years later;
>
> has someone found something working?

For now i use Gnus.
 by the way it is hard to recomend you.
It is not easy to handle. 
The ~/.gnus.el is changed, all the time!

Sincerely,

-- 
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SOLVED: Re: Bluetooth problem

[Michael Milliman]

I guess I should have done this first, but I searched the Debian list 
archives and came up with the following: 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/03/msg00164.html


Upon following this solution, my problem was also solved.

This leaves the question: Should this be reported as a bug (probably 
against the gdm3 package) in order to have the client.conf file added to 
the package as a default?



On 08/29/2016 09:08 AM, Michael Milliman wrote:


Additional information, I grep'ed the device address in all log files 
and got the following for one instance of a connection attempt:


kern.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 kernel: [ 2899.476316] input:
30:21:48:DD:53:44 as /devices/virtual/input/input26

messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 kernel: [ 2899.476316] input:
30:21:48:DD:53:44 as /devices/virtual/input/input26
messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II)
config/udev: Adding input device 30:21:48:DD:53:44
(/dev/input/event13)
messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) Using input
driver 'evdev' for '30:21:48:DD:53:44'
messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
30:21:48:DD:53:44: always reports core events
messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Device: "/dev/input/event13"
messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Vendor 0 Product 0
messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Found keys
messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Configuring as keyboard
messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) XINPUT:
Adding extended input device "30:21:48:DD:53:44" (type: KEYBOARD,
id 13)

syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 kernel: [ 2899.476316] input:
30:21:48:DD:53:44 as /devices/virtual/input/input26
syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) config/udev:
Adding input device 30:21:48:DD:53:44 (/dev/input/event13)
syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) Using input
driver 'evdev' for '30:21:48:DD:53:44'
syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
30:21:48:DD:53:44: always reports core events
syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Device: "/dev/input/event13"
syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Vendor 0 Product 0
syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Found keys
syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Configuring as keyboard
syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) XINPUT:
Adding extended input device "30:21:48:DD:53:44" (type: KEYBOARD,
id 13)

user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II)
config/udev: Adding input device 30:21:48:DD:53:44
(/dev/input/event13)
user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) Using input
driver 'evdev' for '30:21:48:DD:53:44'
user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
30:21:48:DD:53:44: always reports core events
user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Device: "/dev/input/event13"
user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Vendor 0 Product 0
user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Found keys
user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) evdev:
30:21:48:DD:53:44: Configuring as keyboard
user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) XINPUT:
Adding extended input device "30:21:48:DD:53:44" (type: KEYBOARD,
id 13)

Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (II) config/udev: Adding input device
30:21:48:DD:53:44 (/dev/input/event13)
Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (**) 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Applying
InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for
'30:21:48:DD:53:44'
Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (**) 30:21:48:DD:53:44: always reports
core events
Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (**) evdev: 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Device:
"/dev/input/event13"
Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (--) evdev: 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Vendor 0
Product 0
Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (--) evdev: 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Found keys
Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (II) evdev: 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Configuring
as keyboard
Xorg.0.log:[  2898.564] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device
"30:21:48:DD:53:44" (type: KEYBOARD, id 13

Re: Bluetooth problem

[Jude DaShiell]

Talk about flakey software! :-( On Mon, 29 Aug 2016, Michael Milliman 
wrote:



Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 09:48:01
From: Michael Milliman 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Bluetooth problem
Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:48:31 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

I am running Debian 8.5 on a Toshiba Satellite L755D-S5106 laptop and having 
the following problem:


When trying to connect my bluetooth speakers to the machine, I get all 
indications that the device is paired and connected.  The speaker gives its 
indication that it is paired and connected as well.  However, the speaker 
never shows up in PulseAudio.  Upon further investigation, I find in the 
Xorg.log.o file that it has been configured as a keyboard, not as a speaker 
(which would explain why it didn't show up in PulseAudio).  The speaker is 
most definitely not a keyboard!! Any ideas as to how to solve this problem? 
It is worth noting that this does not happen every time.  On occasion, 
everything works just fine.  However, the vast majority of the time, I cannot 
get it to work properly.


Will be glad to post additional information as necessary.





--

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[Henning Follmann]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 08:35:12AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> I use mutt. From time to time I have experimented with things like kmail,
> pine, evolution,
> thunderbird (icedove), claws, gnus and maybe some others and every time I
> came back to mutt.
> 

+1 for mutt 

-H

-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[John Hasler]

Stefan writes:
> ...offlineimap...

That looks like it could be useful.  Thank you.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Bluetooth problem

[Michael Milliman]

Additional information, I grep'ed the device address in all log files 
and got the following for one instance of a connection attempt:


   kern.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 kernel: [ 2899.476316] input:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44 as /devices/virtual/input/input26

   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 kernel: [ 2899.476316] input:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44 as /devices/virtual/input/input26
   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) config/udev:
   Adding input device 30:21:48:DD:53:44 (/dev/input/event13)
   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) Using input
   driver 'evdev' for '30:21:48:DD:53:44'
   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: always reports core events
   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Device: "/dev/input/event13"
   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Vendor 0 Product 0
   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Found keys
   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Configuring as keyboard
   messages:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) XINPUT:
   Adding extended input device "30:21:48:DD:53:44" (type: KEYBOARD, id 13)

   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 kernel: [ 2899.476316] input:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44 as /devices/virtual/input/input26
   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) config/udev:
   Adding input device 30:21:48:DD:53:44 (/dev/input/event13)
   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) Using input
   driver 'evdev' for '30:21:48:DD:53:44'
   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: always reports core events
   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Device: "/dev/input/event13"
   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Vendor 0 Product 0
   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Found keys
   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Configuring as keyboard
   syslog:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) XINPUT: Adding
   extended input device "30:21:48:DD:53:44" (type: KEYBOARD, id 13)

   user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) config/udev:
   Adding input device 30:21:48:DD:53:44 (/dev/input/event13)
   user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
   user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) Using input
   driver 'evdev' for '30:21:48:DD:53:44'
   user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**)
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: always reports core events
   user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (**) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Device: "/dev/input/event13"
   user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Vendor 0 Product 0
   user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (--) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Found keys
   user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) evdev:
   30:21:48:DD:53:44: Configuring as keyboard
   user.log:Aug 29 08:39:38 lap-02 gdm-Xorg-:0[617]: (II) XINPUT:
   Adding extended input device "30:21:48:DD:53:44" (type: KEYBOARD, id 13)

   Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (II) config/udev: Adding input device
   30:21:48:DD:53:44 (/dev/input/event13)
   Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (**) 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Applying InputClass
   "evdev keyboard catchall"
   Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for
   '30:21:48:DD:53:44'
   Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (**) 30:21:48:DD:53:44: always reports core
   events
   Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (**) evdev: 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Device:
   "/dev/input/event13"
   Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (--) evdev: 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Vendor 0
   Product 0
   Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (--) evdev: 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Found keys
   Xorg.0.log:[  2898.563] (II) evdev: 30:21:48:DD:53:44: Configuring
   as keyboard
   Xorg.0.log:[  2898.564] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device
   "30:21:48:DD:53:44" (type: KEYBOARD, id 13)

Clearly, the majority of this is redundant, but I included it for the 
sake of completeness.


On 08/29/2016 08:48 AM, Michael Milliman wrote:
I am running Debian 8.5 on a Toshiba Satellite L755D-S5106 laptop and 
having the following problem:


When trying to connect my bluetooth speakers to the machine, I get all 
indications that the device is paired and connected.  The speaker 
gives its indication that it is paired and connected as well.  
However, the speaker never shows up in PulseAudio.  Upon further 
investigation, I find in the Xorg.l

Bluetooth problem

[Michael Milliman]

I am running Debian 8.5 on a Toshiba Satellite L755D-S5106 laptop and 
having the following problem:


When trying to connect my bluetooth speakers to the machine, I get all 
indications that the device is paired and connected.  The speaker gives 
its indication that it is paired and connected as well.  However, the 
speaker never shows up in PulseAudio.  Upon further investigation, I 
find in the Xorg.log.o file that it has been configured as a keyboard, 
not as a speaker (which would explain why it didn't show up in 
PulseAudio).  The speaker is most definitely not a keyboard!! Any ideas 
as to how to solve this problem?  It is worth noting that this does not 
happen every time.  On occasion, everything works just fine.  However, 
the vast majority of the time, I cannot get it to work properly.


Will be glad to post additional information as necessary.


--
73's
Mike, WB5VQX

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[Stefan Monnier]

> sequentially.  When you're on a metered internet connection, with only
> a five-hour unmetered window in each 24, then making maximum use of
> the unmetered window is important.

In such a situation I think you'd want to use something like leafnode
and offlineimap.


Stefan

Re: Pulling mail for local access (was Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck)

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 29 August 2016 07:29:16 The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2016-08-29 at 07:00, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:15:23AM -0400, brian wrote:
> >
> > [Gnus]
> >
> >> But will it download from multiple newsfeeds *simultaneously*, and
> >> combine the feeds if you subscribe to the same group from more
> >> than one source? [...]
> >
> > TBH I never tried that, because I separate mail handling from my
> > MUA. Fetching, sorting and classifying is left to fetchmail, exim
> > and procmail, the "MUA" sees the result locally.
> >
> > Much better system behaviour when working offline.
> >
> > Didn't yet integrate news into that, since the newsgroups I am
> > interested in are disjoint from my mailboxes.
>
> I've been interested in trying to set up a system like that for some
> years, but never had occasion to make a Project out of it, and never
> found an obvious place to get started - especially for when migrating
> away from a workflow which is already based on having the mail client
> configured to contact the remote server directly. (And even more
> especially when dealing with an IMAP account, and wanting to be able
> to seamlessly affect mail on the IMAP server from the UI, which is
> provided by the mail client.)
>
> Could you go into more detail on how you have / got this set up,
> and/or point to resources which explain the process (well enough for
> someone technically savvy to be able to pick it up)?

Its not THAT hard, I've been doing it for quite a few years. I suck using 
fetchmail as a background daemon, waking up every there minutes to go 
tap the pop3 port of my ISP's mail server and pull anything new. When a 
message has been pulled, its handed off to procmail for having it run 
thru clamscan, spamassassin etc, and what survives that gets dumped into 
a mailfile in /var/spool/mail.  Then a bash script I wrote has a 
subdaemon called inotifywait, trained to watch for file closings, and 
when that mailfile has been written to and closed by the writer, it 
sends kmail a message over dbus (or dcop, depending on the system) 
telling kmail to go get the mail from that local mailbox nd sort it thru 
kmails filters and stashed in the appropriate folder. 

The net result is that the pause in everything else that kmail does, is 
only a fraction of a second, most of which is used by its making a noise 
to tell me new mail has arrived.  If kmail was doing its own fetching, 
then the keyboard is dead (the keystrokes entered are saved and 
displayed when it comes back to you, but that dead time could be a 
minute of more when someone sends you a big picture, or an openoffice 
presentation with lengthy video snippets)

With that much background automation, all I have to do is hit the plus 
key to read the next unread email, reply to it if I can, hit ctrl+return 
to send it, and + to read the next one.  Thats it, everything else is 
done for me.  Fetchmail can tap as many pop3 servers as you have access 
rights to, and I have had 3 at one time, but am down to my ISP's server 
now. It does it serially of course.

Late at night, I stop fetchmail long enough to run sa-learn against 
several folders to train spamassassin, that takes 10+ minutes, and 
fetchmail is restarted when thats been done.  Basically I am lazy, and 
bash scripts handle a lot of stuff in the background here. Repetitive 
stuff is soon turned into a script in my crontab.

Biggest PITA? The pop3 server is also an imap server, and because some 
people mix-n-match, the ISP has disabled fetchmails ability to delete a 
mail it has fetched.  So I have to log into the ^%# webmail with a 
browser and clean house, usually daily.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[John Hasler]

Brian writes:
> But will [Gnus] download from multiple newsfeeds *simultaneously*, and
> combine the feeds if you subscribe to the same group from more than
> one source?

I use Leafnode to transfer news to my machine and then read it locally
with Gnus.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 29 August 2016 07:22:46 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, August 28, 2016 05:06:16 PM No Spam wrote:
> > So it is 12 years later;
> >
> > has someone found something working?
>
> So, if you expect a helpful answer, you might detail the problems that
> you have with the mail clients you've tried.
>
> I've used kmail for a long time, and though it has some warts, I'm
> generally satisfied.  I use it as a pop3 client, I don't know if I'd
> have more problems as an IMAP client.  Some of my nits (or larger than
> nits):
>
>* Doesn't have the focus follows eyes (or thoughts) feature ;-)

Chuckle, now that would be handier than bottled beer.

>* Sometimes insists that folders are too big to compact

Trinitys bugfixed kmail 1.9.10 has never done that to me, and I've one 
mailbox thats never expired, a bit north of 4.3 gigs.  Its all maildir, 
and slow to enter those larger folders.

>* Typically (well, until recently) I lost the filters when I moved
> to a new machine--now I know how to deal with that

Copying kmailrc from the old machine to the new one would have sorted 
that. But duplicate the folder structure first!

>* Doesn't automatically compose (appropriate) replies

Some of mine could be called NSFW. ;-)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[John Hasler]

Brian writes:
> I like having newsgroups and mail in a single program.

So do I.  That's one of the reasons I use Gnus,
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

debian version ID

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

Felix Miata:

Will someone please explain (or point to, since it's not in release 
notes), why:
1: /etc/os-release (in Jessie at least) does not include the point 
release version as represented by /etc/debian_version


Andrew M.A. Cater:

/etc/os-release just contains major version - the absolute need for 
minor version is small.


Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:

You are going to have to explain that to its manual page, which gives 
VERSION_ID=11.04 as an example of what can be in the file.


Pascal Hambourg:


This is obviously not a Debian version. Rather looks like Ubuntu.


That is irrelevant.  M. Miata asked for a reason.  M. Cater responded.  
Either M. Cater is responding to explain why or xe is not explainining 
but merely repeating what M. Miata already knows and wants to know the 
reason for.  As an explanation why, it is clearly wrong, from simply 
reading the user manual.  What the version number in the manual might be 
is simply irrelevant.

Pulling mail for local access (was Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck)

[The Wanderer]

On 2016-08-29 at 07:00, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:15:23AM -0400, brian wrote:
> 
> [Gnus]
> 
>> But will it download from multiple newsfeeds *simultaneously*, and 
>> combine the feeds if you subscribe to the same group from more
>> than one source? [...]
> 
> TBH I never tried that, because I separate mail handling from my MUA.
> Fetching, sorting and classifying is left to fetchmail, exim and
> procmail, the "MUA" sees the result locally.
> 
> Much better system behaviour when working offline.
> 
> Didn't yet integrate news into that, since the newsgroups I am 
> interested in are disjoint from my mailboxes.

I've been interested in trying to set up a system like that for some
years, but never had occasion to make a Project out of it, and never
found an obvious place to get started - especially for when migrating
away from a workflow which is already based on having the mail client
configured to contact the remote server directly. (And even more
especially when dealing with an IMAP account, and wanting to be able to
seamlessly affect mail on the IMAP server from the UI, which is provided
by the mail client.)

Could you go into more detail on how you have / got this set up, and/or
point to resources which explain the process (well enough for someone
technically savvy to be able to pick it up)?

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[rhkramer]

On Sunday, August 28, 2016 05:06:16 PM No Spam wrote:
> So it is 12 years later;
> 
> has someone found something working?

So, if you expect a helpful answer, you might detail the problems that you 
have with the mail clients you've tried.

I've used kmail for a long time, and though it has some warts, I'm generally 
satisfied.  I use it as a pop3 client, I don't know if I'd have more problems 
as an IMAP client.  Some of my nits (or larger than nits):

   * Doesn't have the focus follows eyes (or thoughts) feature ;-)
   * Sometimes insists that folders are too big to compact
   * Typically (well, until recently) I lost the filters when I moved to a new 
machine--now I know how to deal with that
   * Doesn't automatically compose (appropriate) replies

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[tomas]

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On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:15:23AM -0400, brian wrote:

[Gnus]

> But will it download from multiple newsfeeds *simultaneously*, and
> combine the feeds if you subscribe to the same group from more than
> one source? [...]

TBH I never tried that, because I separate mail handling from my
MUA. Fetching, sorting and classifying is left to fetchmail, exim
and procmail, the "MUA" sees the result locally.

Much better system behaviour when working offline.

Didn't yet integrate news into that, since the newsgroups I am
interested in are disjoint from my mailboxes.

Regards
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Re: Any idea when CVE-2016-5696 is going to get fixed?

[Tixy]

On Sun, 2016-08-28 at 15:36 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:35:01 +0200 Frederic Marchal
[...]
> > 
> > Even if the requirements are met, the attack fails if the client is
> > protected by a stateful firewall (either on a NAT router, modem or
> > computer).
> 
> So essentially no smartphones are protected,

In my experience, devices on mobile phone networks don't have public IP
addresses, so they must be behind some kind of NAT routing.

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Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[brian]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:11:51 +0200, you wrote:

>
>On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 04:59:04AM -0400, brian wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 23:06:16 +0200, you wrote:
>> 
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >So it is 12 years later;
>> >
>> >has someone found something working?
>> >
>> 
>> This will be a recommendation which most likely nobody else will
>> support, but here we go...
>> 
>> I like having newsgroups and mail in a single program [...]
>
>Gnu Emacs/Gnus. Runs natively on Windows if need be (and of
>course on whatever *Linux flavours and BSDs out there).
>
>Configurable and tweakable if there was ever one.
>

But will it download from multiple newsfeeds *simultaneously*, and
combine the feeds if you subscribe to the same group from more than
one source? That's Agent's big selling point. I tried using
Thunderbird for news, and the problem was that it did each server
sequentially. When you're on a metered internet connection, with only
a five-hour unmetered window in each 24, then making maximum use of
the unmetered window is important. 

Brian. 

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[tomas]

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On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 04:59:04AM -0400, brian wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 23:06:16 +0200, you wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >So it is 12 years later;
> >
> >has someone found something working?
> >
> 
> This will be a recommendation which most likely nobody else will
> support, but here we go...
> 
> I like having newsgroups and mail in a single program [...]

Gnu Emacs/Gnus. Runs natively on Windows if need be (and of
course on whatever *Linux flavours and BSDs out there).

Configurable and tweakable if there was ever one.

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Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[brian]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 23:06:16 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>So it is 12 years later;
>
>has someone found something working?
>

This will be a recommendation which most likely nobody else will
support, but here we go...

I like having newsgroups and mail in a single program. While there's
nothing outstanding about its e-mail side, it's certainly usable, but
Forte Agent (which runs just fine on Debian via WINE) is head and
shoulders the best news client I have ever found. 

When I switched to Linux on retirement (having previously been paid to
use Windows) I did the rounds of the various mail clients. Kmail,
Claws, Thunderbird, you name it. I detest webmail, largely because,
living where I do, I have no option but satellite internet access, and
that really sucks. 

Whatever I've tried, I've always come back to Forte Agent. Yes, it's
Windows program. Yes, it's closed source, and they WON'T release the
database format. Yes, it costs money ($29 for a new registration). 

Despite all those negatives, I still regard it as the best $29 I ever
spent, and I've been using the program for almost 20 years now. 

>http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

Usual disclaimer applies, no vested interest, just a very happy
customer. 

Brian. 

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[Joe]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 23:06:16 +0200
No Spam  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> So it is 12 years later;
> 
> has someone found something working?
> 

Gmail on a web browser not good enough for you?

OK, I'll vote for claws-mail as well, with the same reservation. It has
bugs. But not serious ones, and curiously the Windows port has one less
bug than the Debian package (moving to another email with 'next'
doesn't mark it as read).

In my case, I use an IMAP server, and when away from home, openvpn. For
some reason I haven't understood, the combination of claws on Windows
and openvpn doesn't allow attachments to be sent, so I drop back to
Thunderbird to do that. If I'm only using TCP and don't need local DNS,
I use ssh rather than openvpn, and claws is OK with that.

Mutt on non-GUI machines.

-- 
Joe

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 29 August 2016 02:55:14 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 29 August 2016 02:16:09 deloptes wrote:
> >> Neal P. Murphy wrote:
> >> > About the time of squeeze or wheezy, kmail (and KDE for that
> >> > matter) began slipping over the edge into the abyss. I finally
> >> > found XFCE which is about as simple and is as useful as KDE3 was.
> >>
> >> KDE3 still lives and KMail is still as usable as before ... even
> >> better as bugs are being fixed. I'm not sure if you know the
> >> Trinity Desktop Env (TDE).
> >>
> >> regards
> >
> > And TDE is very highly recommended by Grandpa Gene.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> We should have added a link to the web site.
>
> https://www.trinitydesktop.org/
>
> regards

True, but there is always google. :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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