Re: NTFS access on Debian boot

[Felix Miata]

David Wright composed on 2016-09-15 23:42 (UTC-0500):

> On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 23:42:22 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
...
>>> Felix Miata composed:
...
 Jessie on a multiboot Dell that includes Windows 10:

 # grep ntfs /etc/fstab
 /dev/sda6 /win/C ntfs-3g 
 nofail,users,gid=100,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0

When I wrote that originally, I followed it with:
# mount | grep eblk
/dev/sda6 on /win/C type fuseblk 
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
...
# ls -gG /win/C
...
-rw-rw-rw- 1 1648193536 Aug  5 03:52 hiberfil.sys
-rw-rw-rw- 1 1476395008 Aug  5 03:52 pagefile.sys
-rw-rw-rw- 1  268435456 Aug  5 03:52 swapfile.sys
...

Do note that mount reports rw.
 
> That's the type of mount I posted in
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00488.html
> but I think it limits you to readonly, which suits me.

I booted W10 minutes ago, without noticing anything unusual. Then I restarted
into Jessie to find those three files with new timestamps at previous sizes.
Next I deleted the two larger, following that up by disconnecting the ethernet
cable and booting W10 again, again without noticing anything unusual, not that
I'd notice what would be "unusual" about running W10. About the only things I've
done with W10 is allow it to update, and open Edge to see what it looks like.

> If you (noone is reading this, are they?) decide to go for read-write access,
> it might pay to look at "Windows hibernation and fast restarting" on
> http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-manual/
> which is one of several reasons I don't bother with it. I just don't
> trust M$ to allow anything outside their realm to work properly.

I went to that site, then did as it suggested, opened an administrator command
prompt and ran powercfg /h off. Following that with "dir /ah \", hiberfil.sys
is not listed. Its absence seems confirmed by restarting into Jessie. While in
Jessie, I touched linuxWroteThis while in /win/C, wrote 7 ASCII characters into
it, then restarted into Windows, and opened it with Wordpad. Then I selected
all 7, copied, and pasted, all with mouse. Enough time on Windows for this
month; restarted into Jessie, then shutdown.
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Fwd: Re: system monitor

[roman_calin]

Hi

follow my thoughts in these: picture: 
https://postimg.org/image/yj08o66rh/


is 1 big system monitor window with graphic of CPU 2 cores: one 
represented orange another red
both are at approximately 50%, in taskbar are also a graphic of 2 
cores one in green another
in yellow, but green one are at 50% but yellow are at 10% so here is 
needed to find out witch
graphic are showing correct parameters, system monitor or taskbar, it 
may be that CPU don-t work efficiently


now let-s move to memory and swap:
in system monitor window, RAM are in violet and is at 50% and swap is 
green and is at 0%
on the taskbar RAM is yellow and is at 50% but swap is gray and is at 
75%


about /usr/sys/iowait i don-t have in usr folder the folder sys!?

roman_ca...@mail.md:


  >> Take time and look attentive to both cpu cores and to both ram 
and swap

  >> graph and compare them



Please elaborate what you think is wrong. The CPU graph in the taskbar
probably only shows one CPU. The two colors you are seeing most probably
to nice/usr/sys/iowait. I have no idea what you think is wrong with the
memory graphs.


J.
--
I feel yawning hollowness whilst talking to people at parties.
[Agree]   [Disagree]
   



Hi J.

Take time and look attentive to both cpu cores and to both ram and 
swap

graph and compare them

Roman Calin

On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 19:44:34 +0200, Jochen Spieker 


wrote:

roman_ca...@mail.md:

hi users i need an advice in what bug category to place these:
https://postimg.org/image/yj08o66rh/

do you see that cpu and memory usage in system monitor window and in message
tray are different?

> No, I don't see any significant difference. All graphs hover around
40-50%.
> J.

Re: NTFS access on Debian boot

[David Wright]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 23:42:22 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 21:02 (UTC-0400):
>  
> > Felix Miata composed:
> 
> >> I'll provide a seed for you to try to fix on your own. This is from Jessie
> >> on a multiboot Dell that includes Windows 10:
> 
> >> # grep ntfs /etc/fstab
> >> /dev/sda6 /win/C ntfs-3g 
> >> nofail,users,gid=100,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
> 
> > Already this doesn't work. 
> 
> Of course it doesn't. A seed isn't a fruiting plant. It's not ready for cut 
> and
> paste.
> 
> 1: /dev/sda6 needs to be adjusted to the partitioning on your HD, a complete
> picture of which you have yet to show us. If Windows is on /dev/sda1, then
> that's what your fstab needs.
> 
> 2: /win/C probably doesn't exist on your Jessie /. You need to choose where
> you want to mount the Windows partition, create a new place if necessary, then
> replace /win/C with that location in your fstab.
> 
> 3: It might be required that you substitute nfts for ntfs-3g in your fstab.

That's the type of mount I posted in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00488.html
but I think it limits you to readonly, which suits me.

If you (noone is reading this, are they?) decide to go for read-write access,
it might pay to look at "Windows hibernation and fast restarting" on
http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-manual/
which is one of several reasons I don't bother with it. I just don't
trust M$ to allow anything outside their realm to work properly.

Cheers,
David.

copy & paste, Debian vs. Windows

[Felix Miata]

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 21:02 (UTC-0400):
 
>> Felix Miata composed:

>> # grep ntfs /etc/fstab
>> /dev/sda6 /win/C ntfs-3g 
>> nofail,users,gid=100,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0

> ...I put my /etc/fstab on a USB stick which has a VFAT file
> system on it, and my Windoze made a most satisfying chime when I stuck the 
> stick
> into one of the sockets on my USB splitter. I would give you the whole short 
> text
> file if I could swipe my mouse over it.  But this is no go in Windoze, and I 
> don't
> know how to Copy and Paste in the Windoze world

More than one way in Linux. I stick to either Shift-[Left/Right/Up/Dn]Ctrl-C or 
swipe
with mouse, then Ctrl-Ins usually, same way I recall doing it in Windows. How 
do you
do it in Debian?

Why not attach the "whole short" file to an email if you think we need to see 
its
entire contents? (We don't, especially not in this thread.)
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: NTFS access on Debian boot

[Felix Miata]

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 21:02 (UTC-0400):
 
> Felix Miata composed:

>> I'll provide a seed for you to try to fix on your own. This is from Jessie
>> on a multiboot Dell that includes Windows 10:

>> # grep ntfs /etc/fstab
>> /dev/sda6 /win/C ntfs-3g 
>> nofail,users,gid=100,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0

> Already this doesn't work. 

Of course it doesn't. A seed isn't a fruiting plant. It's not ready for cut and
paste.

1: /dev/sda6 needs to be adjusted to the partitioning on your HD, a complete
picture of which you have yet to show us. If Windows is on /dev/sda1, then
that's what your fstab needs.

2: /win/C probably doesn't exist on your Jessie /. You need to choose where
you want to mount the Windows partition, create a new place if necessary, then
replace /win/C with that location in your fstab.

3: It might be required that you substitute nfts for ntfs-3g in your fstab.
 
> ...Were your examples from a box with Windoze already on it?

"Already" at what point? Windows XP was installed before Jessie. Windows 10
was a subsequent fresh installation which began by reformatting the existing
partition created for XP. Before XP, several Linux distros were installed. All
of this is irrelevant, because I install and setup Grub myself, writing my own
primary bootloader menu, including in it whatever I please. I can load Grub
from the Windows boot menu if and when I please as well.
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: Links browser, was lynx - not all sites readable

[Dutch Ingraham]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:43:02PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi Dutch,
> I am not sure I agree with the java script focus.  after all that site will
> work in lynx, when I turn off the send user agent header option, just like I
> suggested to Hans.
> why would  it work in a non graphical environment with lynx,  if I take the
> above referenced step if Java script is not  involved under those
> circumstances?
> I cannot say as to the graphical ones, I do not have them.
> 


No, it is likely the user agent string.  If I set links' user agent
string to fake firefox, the site will load.


> 
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 07:57:27PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > Hi Dutch,
> > > 
> > > Something told me to try my example again  before I shared it, try this in
> > > links.
> > > 
> > > www.healingwiththemasters.com
> > > I just tried and got the 403 forbidden error.
> > 
> > Yes, I get the same thing.  Note that if you turn off javascript on your
> > full-graphical browser (Firefox, etc), that same site will not
> > error-out, but will likely not display anything, either.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > As for Walmart.com allowing the links browser, I am afraid that matters 
> > > not
> > > as   I am in Canada and my reference is to the Canadian site.
> > > My speech  states that the issue is a cookies one,  providing the offer of
> > > viewing the flyer without cookies.
> > > I will check your resource for the user agent question.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Karen
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 06:55:25PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > Hi Dutch,
> > > > > The forbidden site issue I encounter  is not the one Hans referenced, 
> > > > > but
> > > > > others.
> > > > > take
> > > > > masterworkshealing.com
> > > > 
> > > > I can visit that site with links.
> > > > 
> > > > > for example,
> > > > > So the idea would be an option  that I could change, as I directed 
> > > > > Hans to
> > > > > make a  short term change to the send user agent header one in lynx.
> > > > > I realize naturally there are times when the  user agent header needs 
> > > > > to be
> > > > > sent.  Likely why Lynx does not make this change perminent.  what 
> > > > > about in
> > > > > links though?
> > > > 
> > > > See http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subch-network-options
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > As for storing cookies,  indeed,  I am wondering what to do if I try
> > > > > visiting a site and am not allowed to continue because the browser 
> > > > > will not
> > > > > accept cookies...as in literary says as much.
> > > > > for example,
> > > > > www.walmart.ca
> > > > > will not even move forward in links for this reason.
> > > > 
> > > > On my machine, that site is not viewable in the standard links config 
> > > > due to
> > > > lack of javascript, not cookies.  Interestingly, walmart.com doesn't 
> > > > have that
> > > > issue.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > I am not sure if the reference you place below will explain the user 
> > > > > agent
> > > > > header question, or the cookies one?
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Karen
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:47:01PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Dutch,
> > > > > > > Still, that brings up two questions of my own regarding links.
> > > > > > > first, does the browser still not accept cookies?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure of your definition of "accept," but in the general 
> > > > > > sense links does
> > > > > > not store and set cookies.  This post [1] seems to make a 
> > > > > > distinction, though,
> > > > > > between persistent cookies and volatile cookies.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > and second, what is the comparative solution to Hans' forbidden  
> > > > > > > site
> > > > > > > problem?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I had no problem visiting nvidia.de/Treiber with links.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I do not know if I can alter the send user agent  command in 
> > > > > > > links.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > links -> setup -> Network options -> HTTP options -> Header options
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [1] https://superuser.com/questions/478633/links-cookie-location
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:47:14AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Links is no longer updated,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Where did you get this information?  As far as I can see, links 
> > > > > > > > was updated on
> > > > > > > > July 1, 2016.[1][2]  Does that qualify as "no longer updated"?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
> > > > > > > > [2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/links/
> > >

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast

[Felix Miata]

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 21:02 (UTC-0400):


Felix Miata composed:



Called a "router" by whom, and where? Maybe help could better be forthcoming
if you announced its brand name and a model number. From the description so
far in this thread, yours seems to be one of those boxes that combine modem,
router, switch and firewall. Does it also provide wireless?



I don't think so:  the little box on my desk is made by
Cisco.   Model number:  LinksysWUMC710


So, this has an ethernet cable going between it and your PC, and it has a 
wall wart providing power to it. Are there any other ethernet cables 
connected to it? If so, where does/do it/they go?


If not, where does the cable coming from Comcast come into your house, and 
what's the model number of whatever is connected to it there? In rough terms, 
how far is it from your PC and the LinksysWUMC710? Different room? Close 
enough to connect an ethernet cable between them? If yes to the last 
question, connect one and see if Jessie doesn't magically connect to the 
Internet.


Some of these might sound like irrelevant questions, but they're not. You 
provide such a dearth of information about what you're working with or what 
you understand it's difficult to figure out how to help you, making it 
necessary to elicit useful information creatively.

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[jeremy bentham]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:18:59PM +0200, Hans wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> can someone explain, why lynx sometimes forbid websites or supresses websites?
> 
> I needed a driver from Nvidia. As I had no X available, I tried download 
> using 
> lynx. 

Many sites block lynx, because it can be used as a crawler.
Sometimes it helps to obscure the user-agent:  I stick hyphens in
in the word "lynx" there and it helps.  Not really lying...just
not telling the truth {-; .

-- 
 Dave Williams d...@eskimo.com

Re: Links browser, was lynx - not all sites readable

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Dutch,
I am not sure I agree with the java script focus.  after all that site 
will work in lynx, when I turn off the send user agent header option, just 
like I suggested to Hans.
why would  it work in a non graphical environment with lynx,  if I take the 
above 
referenced step if Java script is not  involved under those circumstances?

I cannot say as to the graphical ones, I do not have them.


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 07:57:27PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Dutch,

Something told me to try my example again  before I shared it, try this in
links.

www.healingwiththemasters.com
I just tried and got the 403 forbidden error.


Yes, I get the same thing.  Note that if you turn off javascript on your
full-graphical browser (Firefox, etc), that same site will not
error-out, but will likely not display anything, either.















As for Walmart.com allowing the links browser, I am afraid that matters not
as   I am in Canada and my reference is to the Canadian site.
My speech  states that the issue is a cookies one,  providing the offer of
viewing the flyer without cookies.
I will check your resource for the user agent question.
Thanks,
Karen


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 06:55:25PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Dutch,
The forbidden site issue I encounter  is not the one Hans referenced, but
others.
take
masterworkshealing.com


I can visit that site with links.


for example,
So the idea would be an option  that I could change, as I directed Hans to
make a  short term change to the send user agent header one in lynx.
I realize naturally there are times when the  user agent header needs to be
sent.  Likely why Lynx does not make this change perminent.  what about in
links though?


See http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subch-network-options



As for storing cookies,  indeed,  I am wondering what to do if I try
visiting a site and am not allowed to continue because the browser will not
accept cookies...as in literary says as much.
for example,
www.walmart.ca
will not even move forward in links for this reason.


On my machine, that site is not viewable in the standard links config due to
lack of javascript, not cookies.  Interestingly, walmart.com doesn't have that
issue.






I am not sure if the reference you place below will explain the user agent
header question, or the cookies one?
Thanks,
Karen


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:47:01PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Dutch,
Still, that brings up two questions of my own regarding links.
first, does the browser still not accept cookies?


I'm not sure of your definition of "accept," but in the general sense links does
not store and set cookies.  This post [1] seems to make a distinction, though,
between persistent cookies and volatile cookies.


and second, what is the comparative solution to Hans' forbidden  site
problem?


I had no problem visiting nvidia.de/Treiber with links.


I do not know if I can alter the send user agent  command in links.


links -> setup -> Network options -> HTTP options -> Header options

[1] https://superuser.com/questions/478633/links-cookie-location





On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:47:14AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Links is no longer updated,


Where did you get this information?  As far as I can see, links was updated on
July 1, 2016.[1][2]  Does that qualify as "no longer updated"?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
[2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/links/

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast

[David Wright]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 21:02:04 (-0400), Alan McConnell wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Felix Miata" 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 2:20:54 PM
> Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast
> 
> Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 13:36 (UTC-0400):
>  
> > It certainly isn't DSL.  I have an Ethernet cable running from my machine
> > to a Comcast provided "modem" -- except that it is called a router.  Quite
> 
> Called a "router" by whom, and where? Maybe help could better be forthcoming
> if you announced its brand name and a model number. From the description so
> far in this thread, yours seems to be one of those boxes that combine modem,
> router, switch and firewall. Does it also provide wireless?
> I don't think so:  the little box on my desk is made by 
>  Cisco.   Model number:  LinksysWUMC710

Now that is very revealing. It gives a whole new significance to
the statement "I didn't attempt to copy down on a piece of paper
what it wrote; trust me that it was unenlightening garbage."

Anyway, moving on, here's a quotation from
http://www.linksys.com/no/support-article?articleNum=135444

"The Linksys WUMC710 is a single band Wireless-AC Wi-Fi 5GHz Universal
 Media Connector Bridge with 4-Port Switch capable of connecting
 Ethernet devices to a wireless network."

I think I'll quit here. Carrying on is too painful.

Cheers,
David.

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 16 September 2016 02:02:04 Alan McConnell wrote:
> There is a class of people on this E-list who seem to think that
>      the Jessie installer couldn't possibly be expected to recognize a
> Windoze OS, especially since Windows 10 is "so new".  My reaction is:
> codswallop!

We know that.  You seem to be completely unable to say anything politely.

Let's just reword that: Jessie is old.  That is the problem.  If you use 
Stretch, which is new, apparently the problem is less and people are working 
on it.  MS wanted to make it difficult, or preferably impossible, to dual 
boot with Windows 10, which doesn't help. 

The installer will not be rewritten for Jessie, which is old, because Jessie 
is Stable.  I.e. things don't change.  It could not be written for Windows 10 
before Windows 10 existed, since the developers haven't got a crystal ball, 
much as you think that idea is codswallop, and it could not be rewritten for 
Windows 10 after Windows 10 existed because that is the nature of Stable.  It 
doesn't change.

Since you obviously don't like Jessie, and are unwilling to try to adapt to 
it, why on earth are you using it?  There are loads of other things you could 
be using, including, but not only, other versions of Debian, which would 
probably suit you better.

Do you think you could possibly try to be polite, just once?

Incidentally:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/english/?q=E-list

And the result of a search on E-list on the Oxford Dictionary site:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/a_&_e

Lisi

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast

[Alan McConnell]

- Original Message -
From: "Felix Miata" 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 2:20:54 PM
Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 13:36 (UTC-0400):
 
> It certainly isn't DSL.  I have an Ethernet cable running from my machine
> to a Comcast provided "modem" -- except that it is called a router.  Quite

Called a "router" by whom, and where? Maybe help could better be forthcoming
if you announced its brand name and a model number. From the description so
far in this thread, yours seems to be one of those boxes that combine modem,
router, switch and firewall. Does it also provide wireless?
I don't think so:  the little box on my desk is made by 
 Cisco.   Model number:  LinksysWUMC710

> Also: although ALSA and pulse-audio are installed on the Jessie side, I get
> no sound there...

Different and new problem belongs in a virgin thread.
 One will be forthcoming tomorrow.

This too belongs in a separate thread, but I'll provide a seed for you to try
to fix on your own. This is from Jessie on a multiboot Dell that includes
Windows 10:

# grep ntfs /etc/fstab
/dev/sda6 /win/C ntfs-3g 
nofail,users,gid=100,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
 Already this doesn't work.  I put my /etc/fstab on a USB stick which has a 
VFAT file
 system on it, and my Windoze made a most satisfying chime when I stuck the 
stick
 into one of the sockets on my USB splitter.   I would give you the whole 
short text
 file if I could swipe my mouse over it.  But this is no go in Windoze, and 
I don't
 know how to Copy and Paste in the Windoze world.  So I'll just say here 
that my
 fstab simply enumerates the partitions I made when I installed.  Those are 
/dev/sda3,
 /dev/sda4, etc.  No mention of /dev/sda1, which is I believe called C: in 
the Windoze
 world.  I have my fstab, on E:, open as I write, but the wretched Notepad 
pays no
 attention to the Unix 'CR's !  !  Takes me back decades!.  

 This is another failure of the installer failing to recognize that there 
is another OS
 on my hard drive.  There is a class of people on this E-list who seem to 
think that
 the Jessie installer couldn't possibly be expected to recognize a Windoze 
OS, especially
 since Windows 10 is "so new".  My reaction is: codswallop!

 Thanks for your helpful attempt, Felix.  Were your examples from a box 
with Windoze already
 on it?

Alan

Re: Links browser, was lynx - not all sites readable

[Dutch Ingraham]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 07:57:27PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi Dutch,
> 
> Something told me to try my example again  before I shared it, try this in
> links.
> 
> www.healingwiththemasters.com
> I just tried and got the 403 forbidden error.

Yes, I get the same thing.  Note that if you turn off javascript on your
full-graphical browser (Firefox, etc), that same site will not
error-out, but will likely not display anything, either.














> As for Walmart.com allowing the links browser, I am afraid that matters not
> as   I am in Canada and my reference is to the Canadian site.
> My speech  states that the issue is a cookies one,  providing the offer of
> viewing the flyer without cookies.
> I will check your resource for the user agent question.
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 06:55:25PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > Hi Dutch,
> > > The forbidden site issue I encounter  is not the one Hans referenced, but
> > > others.
> > > take
> > > masterworkshealing.com
> > 
> > I can visit that site with links.
> > 
> > > for example,
> > > So the idea would be an option  that I could change, as I directed Hans to
> > > make a  short term change to the send user agent header one in lynx.
> > > I realize naturally there are times when the  user agent header needs to 
> > > be
> > > sent.  Likely why Lynx does not make this change perminent.  what about in
> > > links though?
> > 
> > See http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subch-network-options
> > 
> > 
> > > As for storing cookies,  indeed,  I am wondering what to do if I try
> > > visiting a site and am not allowed to continue because the browser will 
> > > not
> > > accept cookies...as in literary says as much.
> > > for example,
> > > www.walmart.ca
> > > will not even move forward in links for this reason.
> > 
> > On my machine, that site is not viewable in the standard links config due to
> > lack of javascript, not cookies.  Interestingly, walmart.com doesn't have 
> > that
> > issue.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I am not sure if the reference you place below will explain the user agent
> > > header question, or the cookies one?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Karen
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:47:01PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > Hi Dutch,
> > > > > Still, that brings up two questions of my own regarding links.
> > > > > first, does the browser still not accept cookies?
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure of your definition of "accept," but in the general sense 
> > > > links does
> > > > not store and set cookies.  This post [1] seems to make a distinction, 
> > > > though,
> > > > between persistent cookies and volatile cookies.
> > > > 
> > > > > and second, what is the comparative solution to Hans' forbidden  site
> > > > > problem?
> > > > 
> > > > I had no problem visiting nvidia.de/Treiber with links.
> > > > 
> > > > > I do not know if I can alter the send user agent  command in links.
> > > > 
> > > > links -> setup -> Network options -> HTTP options -> Header options
> > > > 
> > > > [1] https://superuser.com/questions/478633/links-cookie-location
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:47:14AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > > > Links is no longer updated,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Where did you get this information?  As far as I can see, links was 
> > > > > > updated on
> > > > > > July 1, 2016.[1][2]  Does that qualify as "no longer updated"?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
> > > > > > [2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/links/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[davidson]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Hans wrote:


Hi Karen,

I tried as you described. However, this showed me the word "Treiber"
but your better hint was the one with the letter "l". That way I can
see, these links are hidden and could navigate to it (it is letter
107 here).


In my lynx environment one must use shift + l (ie, capital 'L'), to
invoke this command, whose name is LIST.

And, no matter what the keymap might be, one can call it by typing ':'
followed by 'LIST'. (Just ':list', in lowercase, seems to work, too).

Also useful, in case you would like to search for a particular url, is
the command ADDRLIST, which is just like LIST except that it names all
links with their url, (thereby enabling searches for urls).

I have ADDRLIST mapped to capital 'A'. Enter ':keymap' to find the
shortcuts in your environment.


Gowever, it does not explain, why lynx suppresses these. Ok, these
are hidden,


It looks to me like you have concisely summed up an explanation
yourself.


but accessible, so lynx should be able to acccess them.


And lynx can, when you tell it to.


Maybe it is still configurationable, I will try once more.


If I understand you correctly, you would like hidden links to appear
on the rendered page.

While I hope you find a satisfactory solution, and I look forward to
reading about any you find, the question arises: Where in the rendered
page ought lynx to place these no-longer-hidden links?

As Karen points out, we cannot sensibly look to the intentions of the
author of the web page to give lynx any guidance here, since the web
page's author has explicitly told lynx to hide them!

Kind regards.

--
Wrote David Woolley, long ago:


One final point to remember, is that most web site are not about
communicating information; they are about selling, and these days
the two are almost incompatible. (It's an interesting point that, in
spite of the accessibility lobby's objections to PDF, PDF is where
you will find the real information on most commercial sites, and the
HTML on the sites is used where PDF would have been a better
vehicle, because those parts have all form and no content!)


https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/lynx-dev/1999-08/msg00694.html

Re: Links browser, was lynx - not all sites readable

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Dutch,

Something told me to try my example again  before I shared it, try this in 
links.


www.healingwiththemasters.com
I just tried and got the 403 forbidden error.
As for Walmart.com allowing the links browser, I am afraid that matters 
not as   I am in Canada and my reference is to the Canadian site.
My speech  states that the issue is a cookies one,  providing the offer of 
viewing the flyer without cookies.

I will check your resource for the user agent question.
Thanks,
Karen


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 06:55:25PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Dutch,
The forbidden site issue I encounter  is not the one Hans referenced, but
others.
take
masterworkshealing.com


I can visit that site with links.


for example,
So the idea would be an option  that I could change, as I directed Hans to
make a  short term change to the send user agent header one in lynx.
I realize naturally there are times when the  user agent header needs to be
sent.  Likely why Lynx does not make this change perminent.  what about in
links though?


See http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subch-network-options



As for storing cookies,  indeed,  I am wondering what to do if I try
visiting a site and am not allowed to continue because the browser will not
accept cookies...as in literary says as much.
for example,
www.walmart.ca
will not even move forward in links for this reason.


On my machine, that site is not viewable in the standard links config due to
lack of javascript, not cookies.  Interestingly, walmart.com doesn't have that
issue.






I am not sure if the reference you place below will explain the user agent
header question, or the cookies one?
Thanks,
Karen


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:47:01PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Dutch,
Still, that brings up two questions of my own regarding links.
first, does the browser still not accept cookies?


I'm not sure of your definition of "accept," but in the general sense links does
not store and set cookies.  This post [1] seems to make a distinction, though,
between persistent cookies and volatile cookies.


and second, what is the comparative solution to Hans' forbidden  site
problem?


I had no problem visiting nvidia.de/Treiber with links.


I do not know if I can alter the send user agent  command in links.


links -> setup -> Network options -> HTTP options -> Header options

[1] https://superuser.com/questions/478633/links-cookie-location





On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:47:14AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Links is no longer updated,


Where did you get this information?  As far as I can see, links was updated on
July 1, 2016.[1][2]  Does that qualify as "no longer updated"?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
[2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/links/

Re: Links browser, was lynx - not all sites readable

[Dutch Ingraham]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 06:55:25PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi Dutch,
> The forbidden site issue I encounter  is not the one Hans referenced, but
> others.
> take
> masterworkshealing.com

I can visit that site with links.

> for example,
> So the idea would be an option  that I could change, as I directed Hans to
> make a  short term change to the send user agent header one in lynx.
> I realize naturally there are times when the  user agent header needs to be
> sent.  Likely why Lynx does not make this change perminent.  what about in
> links though?

See http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subch-network-options  


> As for storing cookies,  indeed,  I am wondering what to do if I try
> visiting a site and am not allowed to continue because the browser will not
> accept cookies...as in literary says as much.
> for example,
> www.walmart.ca
> will not even move forward in links for this reason.

On my machine, that site is not viewable in the standard links config due to 
lack of javascript, not cookies.  Interestingly, walmart.com doesn't have that
issue.





> I am not sure if the reference you place below will explain the user agent
> header question, or the cookies one?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:47:01PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > Hi Dutch,
> > > Still, that brings up two questions of my own regarding links.
> > > first, does the browser still not accept cookies?
> > 
> > I'm not sure of your definition of "accept," but in the general sense links 
> > does
> > not store and set cookies.  This post [1] seems to make a distinction, 
> > though,
> > between persistent cookies and volatile cookies.
> > 
> > > and second, what is the comparative solution to Hans' forbidden  site
> > > problem?
> > 
> > I had no problem visiting nvidia.de/Treiber with links.
> > 
> > > I do not know if I can alter the send user agent  command in links.
> > 
> > links -> setup -> Network options -> HTTP options -> Header options
> > 
> > [1] https://superuser.com/questions/478633/links-cookie-location
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:47:14AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > Links is no longer updated,
> > > > 
> > > > Where did you get this information?  As far as I can see, links was 
> > > > updated on
> > > > July 1, 2016.[1][2]  Does that qualify as "no longer updated"?
> > > > 
> > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
> > > > [2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/links/
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: Links browser, was lynx - not all sites readable

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Dutch,
The forbidden site issue I encounter  is not the one Hans referenced, but 
others.

take
masterworkshealing.com
for example,
So the idea would be an option  that I could change, as I directed Hans 
to  make a  short term change to the send user agent header one in lynx.
I realize naturally there are times when the  user agent header needs to 
be sent.  Likely why Lynx does not make this change perminent.  what about 
in links though?
As for storing cookies,  indeed,  I am wondering what to do if I try 
visiting a site and am not allowed to continue because the browser will not 
accept cookies...as in literary says as much.

for example,
www.walmart.ca
will not even move forward in links for this reason.
I am not sure if the reference you place below will explain the user agent 
header question, or the cookies one?

Thanks,
Karen


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:47:01PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Dutch,
Still, that brings up two questions of my own regarding links.
first, does the browser still not accept cookies?


I'm not sure of your definition of "accept," but in the general sense links does
not store and set cookies.  This post [1] seems to make a distinction, though,
between persistent cookies and volatile cookies.


and second, what is the comparative solution to Hans' forbidden  site
problem?


I had no problem visiting nvidia.de/Treiber with links.


I do not know if I can alter the send user agent  command in links.


links -> setup -> Network options -> HTTP options -> Header options

[1] https://superuser.com/questions/478633/links-cookie-location





On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:47:14AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Links is no longer updated,


Where did you get this information?  As far as I can see, links was updated on
July 1, 2016.[1][2]  Does that qualify as "no longer updated"?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
[2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/links/

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Re: Links browser, was lynx - not all sites readable

[Dutch Ingraham]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:47:01PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi Dutch,
> Still, that brings up two questions of my own regarding links.
> first, does the browser still not accept cookies?

I'm not sure of your definition of "accept," but in the general sense links does
not store and set cookies.  This post [1] seems to make a distinction, though,
between persistent cookies and volatile cookies.

> and second, what is the comparative solution to Hans' forbidden  site
> problem?

I had no problem visiting nvidia.de/Treiber with links.

> I do not know if I can alter the send user agent  command in links.

links -> setup -> Network options -> HTTP options -> Header options

[1] https://superuser.com/questions/478633/links-cookie-location



> 
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:47:14AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > Links is no longer updated,
> > 
> > Where did you get this information?  As far as I can see, links was updated 
> > on
> > July 1, 2016.[1][2]  Does that qualify as "no longer updated"?
> > 
> > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
> > [2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/links/
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved

[Brian]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 19:07:46 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Thursday 15 September 2016 13:38:49 Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 11:01:12 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > Are you deliberately remaining uncontactable off list?  You must be
> > > sending
> >
> > I am not uncontactable.
> >
> > > from one email address and receiving to another, since the email address
> > >  still doesn't work, and you are getting list
> > > emails.
> >
> > The system delivering the mail (which I do not control) definitely works
> > because you got a helpful mail by return. That mail did not come from my
> > mail system.
> 
> No, the emails I tried to send off-list got rejection messages, not helpful 
> replies.

What if Royal Mail told you they were unable to deliver a letter you had
put into one of their nice red pillar boxes? Wouldn't that be useful
information you could take action on? If you sent a letter to 123 M7 9QD
in the UK and it wasn't returned you would surely assume Royal Mail had
delivered it? I'd dispute that bounce messages are not useful. Problems
very often arise when mail has been delivered but there is no feedback.

> > As a matter of interest: suppose you had received no rejection message;
> > what would you think? 
> 
> I would assume that you had had the email and ignored it.

Why should *I* have the mail? If the receiving system doesn't pass it on
to me I'll never see it. The best you can say is that the receiving
system accepted the mail via SMTP. What happens after that has nothing
to do with SMTP. Another system accepts the mail from the SMTP
transaction and deals with it. Knowledge of what happens there could be
non-existent unless the accepting system chooses to tell you.

The mail is accepted. What the receving system does with it is up to it.
It could put the mail through a spam detection system which deletes the
mail or not let a user download it without paying. None of this process
is under the control of the recipient; she gets what the receiving
system decides she gets. The sending system also has no say in the
matter

Think of all the mails which come through your letter-box; Royal Mail
(SMTP) has done its job. The sender has had the letter delivered; they
get no bounce message so think the recipient has receved it. But,
unbeknownst to you, or Royal Mail, someone in the house filters out some
of the mail. You may never know this happens.

Acceptance of mail by the mail system does not imply or guarantee the
recipient receives a mail. It depends on what happens after the
acceptance (which is  not controlled by the recipient or the sending
system).

> > Working from those thoughts: suppose you never 
> > received a reply from me? What would go through you mind?
> 
> If you were continuing to reply to the list I would assume that I was being 
> ignored for some reason.  If you were not posting to the list I would worry 
> fruitlessly about you and miss your contribution.

My mail to the list and the mail entering my inbox are completely
independent. Think about it; there is no connection between the two
processes. However, even though the assumption is unsustainable, I
understand what you are saying. It is natural to think that sending
something means it gets there. After all, in 9,999 cases out of 10,000
it does.

> > > If you are prepared to be contacted off-line, but don't want to publish
> > > the address here, may I have it?  You have my email address!!
> >
> > The address *is* published here. Please see the final two paragraphs of
> >
> >   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00997.html
> 
> Yes, I am sorry.  I did look.  But I am partially sighted, headers are 
> difficult, I was in a hurry and I knew that you had been having a problem 
> with ?Demon? and that address that you were wondering how to resolve.

Demon have decided that mail provision has been free all these years.
"Free" means it is not subject to contact and consequently can be moved
elsewhere and made accessible for a fee. I am too tightfisted to pay for
"elsewhere".

> I will copy and paste your headers into a word processor so that I can edit 
> them into legibility and go from there.

You'll get there. Say if you don't.

-- 
Brian.

Re: google-chrome-stable vs. chromium

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 15 September 2016 11:28:49 Bob Bernstein wrote:
> Aha. That describes me to a tee. Now, I put a premium on things
> that "just work."

So you have chosen well.  Anyway, I do the same, for much the same reason, so 
it must be the right choice. ;-)  (There are things I want to watch.)

Lisi

Links browser, was lynx - not all sites readable

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Dutch,

Actually I got that information from a Google staffer working with 
accessibility.  Such was why, at the time, gmail stopped working with 
links.
they have changed that factor though, and links often produces more 
detailed search results than lynx.

I appreciate your providing this correction.
Still, that brings up two questions of my own regarding links.
first, does the browser still not accept cookies?
and second, what is the comparative solution to Hans' forbidden  site 
problem?

I do not know if I can alter the send user agent  command in links.
I would welcome an idea though, because there are times when using links 
is the wiser option, but that barrier presents a problem.

Thanks,
Karen


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Dutch Ingraham wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:47:14AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Links is no longer updated,


Where did you get this information?  As far as I can see, links was updated on
July 1, 2016.[1][2]  Does that qualify as "no longer updated"?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
[2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/links/

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 15 September 2016 19:24:49 David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 18:57:52 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 September 2016 18:36:58 Alan McConnell wrote:
> > > And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me
> > > how to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10.
> >
> > Brian suggested a USB stick.  You rudely poo-pooed it.
>
> Well, at least that's a reaction. My solution for copying *from*
> W10 was completely ignored by all, except google which has added
> two (possibly) random hex numbers to its repertoire.

Being ignored by Alan is less painful than being kicked!!

I didn't really understand your solution, and as I cannot ever envisage myself 
wanting to transfer anything from Win10, anywhere, and am rather stressed and 
rushed at the moment, I rather skimmed over it.  Sorry. :-(  I'll try to come 
back to it and read it properly in the reasonably near future.

Lisi

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Dutch Ingraham]

>On 2016-09-15 12:29:50 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:

>Links does not support UTF-8. The other ones do.

Where is the support for that conclusion?  It appears to be incorrect.[1]

[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/UTF-8#links_and_elinks

Re: bug - nvidia related

[Alberto Luaces]

"Janusz S. Kulpa" writes:

> Hello. I am unsure which package is it related to and how to properly
> summit a bug report. I think it may be nvidia-drivers,
> xserver-xorg-video-nvidia or nvidia-kernel-dkms.
>
> I am running stretch. Yesterday I was updating the packages (900+),
> including xserver, kernel (4.3 -> 4.6) and nvidia-drivers
> After reboot, the screen was black. After some time I realized that
> this is a problem with nvidia modules - they name changed so there is
> a -current- in the middle of the name. 
>
> The solution was available in /etc/nvidia/nvidia-modprobe.conf,
> however it was not linked/copied to /etc/modprobe.d/ and no
> information about need to link it by hand was provided

Hi, Janusz:

% dpkg -S nvidia-modprobe.conf
nvidia-kernel-support: /etc/nvidia/current/nvidia-modprobe.conf

so since the file is owned by "nvidia-kernel-support", I would submit
the bug against it.

-- 
Alberto

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast

[Felix Miata]

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 13:36 (UTC-0400):
 
> Felix Miata composed:
 
> Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400):
 
>>> My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line.  I don't think 
>>> this is
>>> anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement 
>>> community
>>> which has a huge contract with Comcast.
 
>> Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from here,
>> should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer.

> It certainly isn't DSL.  I have an Ethernet cable running from my machine
> to a Comcast provided "modem" -- except that it is called a router.  Quite

Called a "router" by whom, and where? Maybe help could better be forthcoming
if you announced its brand name and a model number. From the description so
far in this thread, yours seems to be one of those boxes that combine modem,
router, switch and firewall. Does it also provide wireless?

> obviously it works well from my Windoze side(I am using MS Edge the M$ new
> browser) to dial into mail.his.com, which uses the afore-mentioned Zimbra
 
> Any suggestions you can give me would be welcome, especially since I know
> you know your stuff.

I know some stuff. Virturally no Comcast-specific connectivity is included.
OTOH, Tony Baldwin and Jude DaShiell have offered Comcast-specific clues in
this thread.

> Also: although ALSA and pulse-audio are installed on the Jessie side, I get
> no sound there...

Different and new problem belongs in a virgin thread.
 
> And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me how
> to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10.  But he may have given up
> with his efforts to "help" me.

This too belongs in a separate thread, but I'll provide a seed for you to try
to fix on your own. This is from Jessie on a multiboot Dell that includes
Windows 10:

# grep ntfs /etc/fstab
/dev/sda6 /win/C ntfs-3g 
nofail,users,gid=100,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
# mount | grep eblk
/dev/sda6 on /win/C type fuseblk 
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
# ls -gG /win/C
total 3313985
-rw-rw-rw- 1 400228 Oct 30  2015 bootmgr
-rw-rw-rw- 1  1 Oct 30  2015 BOOTNXT
lrwxrwxrwx 2 60 Jul 27 06:06 Documents and Settings -> /win/C/Users
-rw-rw-rw- 1 1648193536 Aug  5 03:52 hiberfil.sys
drwxrwxrwx 1  49152 Apr 27 02:35 Logs
-rw-rw-rw- 1 1476395008 Aug  5 03:52 pagefile.sys
drwxrwxrwx 1  0 Oct 30  2015 PerfLogs
drwxrwxrwx 1   4096 Jul 27 06:06 ProgramData
drwxrwxrwx 1   4096 Apr 27 02:34 Program Files
drwxrwxrwx 1   4096 Oct 30  2015 Program Files (x86)
drwxrwxrwx 1  0 Jul 27 06:05 Recovery
drwxrwxrwx 1  0 Aug  4 05:58 $Recycle.Bin
-rw-rw-rw- 1  268435456 Aug  5 03:52 swapfile.sys
drwxrwxrwx 1   4096 Jul 27 04:37 System Volume Information
drwxrwxrwx 1   4096 Jul 27 04:55 Users
drwxrwxrwx 1  24576 Jul 27 03:07 Windows

If the above not enough help to get you where you want to be and you want
more, start a separate thread with an appropriate subject line please.
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: Odd issues with Stretch installation

[Chris Angelico]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 4:33 AM, Felix Miata  wrote:
> Ric Moore composed on 2016-09-16 03:49 (UTC+1000):
>
>> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>
> I don't see that either of you have mentioned your hardware in this thread.
> If non-working Xorg is your root problem, maybe you're up against a broken
> driver and a switch is called for:
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX

Hmm, interesting.

Do you want to know about my real hardware, or what the machine in
question was running on, which is VirtualBox's simulated hardware? I
have a physical computer with an nVidia GTX 960 [which my fingers keep
wanting to type as GTK 960], running Debian Stretch, and inside that
is VirtualBox 5.1.4-dfsg-1+b1 (from the main Debian repos), in which I
created a VM to mess around with Debian Stretch (and ultimately to
patch xfwm4, although at time of writing the above posts, I was
building the control, with the standard repo-provided window manager).

Real machine:
rosuav@sikorsky:~$ lspci|grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce
GTX 960] (rev a1)
Virtual machine:
rosuav@debian:~$ lspci|grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH
VirtualBox Graphics Adapter

> "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
> words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
>
>  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Go Team OS/2!

ChrisA

Re: Odd issues with Stretch installation

[Felix Miata]

Ric Moore composed on 2016-09-16 03:49 (UTC+1000):


Chris Angelico wrote:


I don't see that either of you have mentioned your hardware in this thread. 
If non-working Xorg is your root problem, maybe you're up against a broken 
driver and a switch is called for:


http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
--
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

bug - nvidia related

[Janusz S. Kulpa]

Hello. I am unsure which package is it related to and how to properly
summit a bug report. I think it may be nvidia-drivers,
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia or nvidia-kernel-dkms.

I am running stretch. Yesterday I was updating the packages (900+),
including xserver, kernel (4.3 -> 4.6) and nvidia-drivers
After reboot, the screen was black. After some time I realized that this
is a problem with nvidia modules - they name changed so there is a
-current- in the middle of the name.

The solution was available in /etc/nvidia/nvidia-modprobe.conf, however
it was not linked/copied to /etc/modprobe.d/ and no information about
need to link it by hand was provided

Sincerely
JKulpa

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Tel: +48 22 2343672
Fax: +48 22 8252300

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)

[David Wright]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 18:57:52 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Thursday 15 September 2016 18:36:58 Alan McConnell wrote:
> > And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me how
> >         to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10.
> 
> Brian suggested a USB stick.  You rudely poo-pooed it.

Well, at least that's a reaction. My solution for copying *from*
W10 was completely ignored by all, except google which has added
two (possibly) random hex numbers to its repertoire.

Cheers,
David.

Re: xaralx package

[Frank]

Op 15-09-16 om 19:32 schreef Michael Fothergill:

On 15 Sep 2016 18:17, "Frank"  wrote:

That's 'only' from March 2014. Haven't tried working with it, though.
So no idea if you can use it on current Debian (it does install and open
on this Testing box).


So does that mean that I could do

dpkg - i on the three deb files you found there and xaraxl might
actually run after all..
???


In theory. Actually, I used GDebi to install. That takes care of any 
dependencies your system might not have yet.


And of course, the fact it runs/opens initially doesn't mean it won't 
crash at a later stage. I believe there were some issues with the newer 
version of one of its dependencies.


Regards,
Frank

Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 15 September 2016 13:38:49 Brian wrote:
> On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 11:01:12 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Are you deliberately remaining uncontactable off list?  You must be
> > sending
>
> I am not uncontactable.
>
> > from one email address and receiving to another, since the email address
> >  still doesn't work, and you are getting list
> > emails.
>
> The system delivering the mail (which I do not control) definitely works
> because you got a helpful mail by return. That mail did not come from my
> mail system.

No, the emails I tried to send off-list got rejection messages, not helpful 
replies.
>
> As a matter of interest: suppose you had received no rejection message;
> what would you think? 

I would assume that you had had the email and ignored it.

> Working from those thoughts: suppose you never 
> received a reply from me? What would go through you mind?

If you were continuing to reply to the list I would assume that I was being 
ignored for some reason.  If you were not posting to the list I would worry 
fruitlessly about you and miss your contribution.
>
> > If you are prepared to be contacted off-line, but don't want to publish
> > the address here, may I have it?  You have my email address!!
>
> The address *is* published here. Please see the final two paragraphs of
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00997.html

Yes, I am sorry.  I did look.  But I am partially sighted, headers are 
difficult, I was in a hurry and I knew that you had been having a problem 
with ?Demon? and that address that you were wondering how to resolve.

I will copy and paste your headers into a word processor so that I can edit 
them into legibility and go from there.

Lisi

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)

[Brian]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 13:36:58 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

> And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell 
> me how
> to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10.  But he may have 
> given up
> with his efforts to "help" me.

Brian has decided he has nothing more to contibute beyond suggesting a
USB stick to transfer files between the two OSs.

Putting "help" in double quotes says a lot. But I'll learn to live with
it.

-- 
Brian.

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 15 September 2016 18:36:58 Alan McConnell wrote:
> And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me how
>         to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10.

Brian suggested a USB stick.  You rudely poo-pooed it.

Lisi

Re: Odd issues with Stretch installation

[Chris Angelico]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:49 AM, Ric Moore  wrote:
> On 09/15/2016 04:13 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ric Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 09/14/2016 10:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>
 The first sign of failure was that, after installation, the GUI didn't
 load properly - just a black screen with a mouse cursor. In trying to
 track down the failure, I found the disk to be full, so I didn't
 bother analyzing it any further.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Same problem. Only my tower has plenty of memory and disk space. I just
>>> get
>>> a black screen, lonely mouse cursor in the upper left of my display. Yes,
>>> the mouse cursor does move around. So, I open a terminal and startx gives
>>> me
>>> the XFCE desktop. Ric
>>
>>
>> How did you open a terminal? From that screen, or by booting in a
>> different mode? When I tried that, I got a "no screens found" error,
>> which has led me to a solution, of sorts (and which I've literally
>> only just finished testing while writing this email):
>
>
> By "terminal" I meant logging into a text-only terminal with ctrl-alt-F1
> I'm not running a virtual instance, but the problem is the same with my
> primary XFCE4 desktop. I've google's but am not coming up with anything
> recent. Ric

Ah okay. I was actually unable to use Ctrl-Alt-F1 as it just switched
my _main_ system to console.

Since startx is working for you, it's probably unrelated to my issues.

ChrisA

Re: Odd issues with Stretch installation

[Ric Moore]

On 09/15/2016 04:13 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ric Moore  wrote:

On 09/14/2016 10:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:


The first sign of failure was that, after installation, the GUI didn't
load properly - just a black screen with a mouse cursor. In trying to
track down the failure, I found the disk to be full, so I didn't
bother analyzing it any further.



Same problem. Only my tower has plenty of memory and disk space. I just get
a black screen, lonely mouse cursor in the upper left of my display. Yes,
the mouse cursor does move around. So, I open a terminal and startx gives me
the XFCE desktop. Ric


How did you open a terminal? From that screen, or by booting in a
different mode? When I tried that, I got a "no screens found" error,
which has led me to a solution, of sorts (and which I've literally
only just finished testing while writing this email):


By "terminal" I meant logging into a text-only terminal with ctrl-alt-F1
I'm not running a virtual instance, but the problem is the same with my 
primary XFCE4 desktop. I've google's but am not coming up with anything 
recent. Ric



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"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)

[Alan McConnell]

- Original Message -
From: "Felix Miata" 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:05:50 PM
Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to 
run...)

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400):

> My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line.  I don't think this 
> is
> anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement community
> which has a huge contract with Comcast.

Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from here, 
should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer.
It certainly isn't DSL.  I have an Ethernet cable running from my 
machine
to a Comcast provided "modem" -- except that it is called a router.  
Quite
obviously it works well from my Windoze side(I am using MS Edge the M$ 
new
browser) to dial into mail.his.com, which uses the afore-mentioned 
Zimbra

Any suggestions you can give me would be welcome, especially since I 
know
you know your stuff.

Also: although ALSA and pulse-audio are installed on the Jessie side, I 
get
no sound there(I have a couple of videos and some mp3s to test on.  
They played
well back in the Golden Days of Wheezy.  Maybe you have suggestions 
about
how to get sound working under Jessie?  Needless to say, I can play 
Donald
Trump speeches and Mozart on youtube from this present Edge browser, 
which
hasn't crashed once(iceweasel, under Jessie, used to crash continually; 
it
worked fine under wheezy)

And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me 
how
to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10.  But he may have given 
up
with his efforts to "help" me.

Alan

Re: exim4 some config error causing error how to pinpoint

[Harry Putnam]

Liam O'Toole  writes:

>> Mail never appears at HOST1 /var/spool/mail/user2
>>
>>
>
> Does user2 appear in the file /etc/aliases on HOST1? Is there a
No

> /home/user2/.forward file on that host? Either of those would cause mail
No

> Is there anything suspicious in the file /var/log/exim4/mainlog on
> HOST1?
Yes, there is this bit that seems to indicate that the message is
being processed by procmail.

dv.local.lan is HOST1  smarthost set to smtp.gmail.com
d2.local.lan is HOST2  smarthost set to HOST1

There is a user named `harry' on both hosts.

---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 
2016-09-15 12:40:29 1bkZi9-Ne-MU <= ha...@d2.local.lan H=(d2.local.lan) 
[192.168.1.17] P=esmtp S=608 id=e1bkza7-0006mb...@d2.local.lan
2016-09-15 12:40:31 1bkZi9-Ne-MU => harry  R=procmail 
T=procmail_pipe
2016-09-15 12:40:31 1bkZi9-Ne-MU Completed
2016-09-15 12:52:31 Start queue run: pid=1574
2016-09-15 12:52:31 End queue run: pid=1574
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

There is a ~/.procmailrc for user2 but no specifc recipe that would
grab mail addressed to USER2@HOST1 (harry@dv).

However my .procmailrc has a final rule that catches anything not
already handled:

  :0
  post_ex.in

However the mail addressed user2@host1 is not going to that inbox (or
any other) either.

But dropping that mystery for the time being there seems to be
something bigger happening.

Since my previous post I have found that all those test messages to
user2 and user1 on HOST1 from HOST2 are being sent out to the
HOST1 smarthost and piling up as undeleverable on a gmail account.  My
smarthost is smtp.gmail.com

I guess that does make sense.  However I guess I just supposed that
somehow HOST1 would magically know not to try to send mail from other
lan hosts addressed to users on HOST1, out to the internet smarthost.

Maybe I need some other mechanism for that to happen?

To summarize the setup again very briefly... since it seems to be
getting more confusing ... at least to me.

HOST1 is setup to relay mail from its users to an internet smarthost
(smtp.gmail.com).

HOST2 is setup to relay mail from its users to HOST1 as its smarthost

When I try to send a message from USER@HOST2 to USER@HOST1, instead of
just delivering to USER@HOST1 it appears to be sending that message on
to the gmail smtp server.

The local lan is not a real FQDN so not suprising that the gmail
server cannot deliver it but how to prevent that local mail from
being sent to gmail server to start with?

Re: xaralx package

[Michael Fothergill]

On 15 Sep 2016 18:17, "Frank"  wrote:
>
> Op 15-09-16 om 18:11 schreef Greg Wooledge:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 05:03:23PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>>>
>>> ???http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html???
>>
>>
>>   "The binaries we distribute require libstdc++ version 5, which is not
>>   installed as standard on some modern distributions (for example Ubuntu
>>   5.10)."
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_
5.10_.28Breezy_Badger.29
>>
>>   "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), released on 12 October 2005"
>>
>> "Modern", they say.  Heh.
>>
>> If you can *get* it to compile at all, that seems like the best path.
>> APIs may have changed, especially with C++.
>
>
> Look at the update date on that page... Ten years ago, 2005 *was*
'modern' (LOL).
>
> Wow... Xara, or rather Computer Concepts. I remember them from when they
were still primarily writing for RISC OS... Oh dear...
>
> http://www.xara.com/us/history/
>
>
> But wouldn't looking at the last version in Debian's snapshot archive
make more sense?
>
> http://snapshot.debian.org/package/xaralx/0.7r1785-7/
>
> That's 'only' from March 2014. Haven't tried working with it, though. So
no idea if you can use it on current Debian (it does install and open on
this Testing box).

So does that mean that I could do

dpkg - i on the three deb files you found there and xaraxl might actually
run after all..
???

Regds

MF


>
> Regards,
> Frank
>

Re: xaralx package

[Frank]

Op 15-09-16 om 18:11 schreef Greg Wooledge:

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 05:03:23PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:

???http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html???


  "The binaries we distribute require libstdc++ version 5, which is not
  installed as standard on some modern distributions (for example Ubuntu
  5.10)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_5.10_.28Breezy_Badger.29

  "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), released on 12 October 2005"

"Modern", they say.  Heh.

If you can *get* it to compile at all, that seems like the best path.
APIs may have changed, especially with C++.


Look at the update date on that page... Ten years ago, 2005 *was* 
'modern' (LOL).


Wow... Xara, or rather Computer Concepts. I remember them from when they 
were still primarily writing for RISC OS... Oh dear...


http://www.xara.com/us/history/


But wouldn't looking at the last version in Debian's snapshot archive 
make more sense?


http://snapshot.debian.org/package/xaralx/0.7r1785-7/

That's 'only' from March 2014. Haven't tried working with it, though. So 
no idea if you can use it on current Debian (it does install and open on 
this Testing box).


Regards,
Frank

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:50:21 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:

> On 09/14/2016 04:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> > On 09/01/2016 08:51 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:  
> >> The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
> >> right click and Search is affected too.  
> >
> > Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
> > effected packages. Yay!
> >
> > These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
> > libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
> > testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade
> > the effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it
> > is fixed.  
> 
> Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded
> and XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal
> and enter startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing
> XFCE packages. But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right
> click no longer function. Drats. Ric
> 

Synaptic still broken on Sid for me, fully upgraded except for a few
packages which won't.

-- 
Joe

Re: usb-tethered verizon/netgear airpack + ethernet printer

[Henning Follmann]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:01:10AM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> Is it possible to use the ethernet port of a laptop to feed a printer
> while the laptop is connected to the Internet via a usb-tethered
> verizon/netgear airpack 791L?
> 
> Network manager appears unable to find the printer.
> 
> RLH
> 


I guess that should be possible. However this could be tricky.
Usually the verizon devices put you into 192.168.1.0/24 network. This is
also the network most home routers put you in. It might be possible that
those two network collide.
Most likely you also get your network settings via dhcp. Here also the two
different network collide. Most likely the later connection will overwrite
the first and screw things up.
I would recommend setting up one network manually making sure that they
have non colliding networks.

-H

-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: xaralx package

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

> Michael Fothergill wrote:
> The download page says that the binary should run on a 64 bit machine in
> what it calls compatability mode.
> http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html

So the binaries are ready for ten year old Ubuntu.
This increases the chances for 32 bit multi-arch.
I guess the step "Create a script to launch 32 bit applications" will
need some adaption.


> If I would want to run it natively in 64 bit mode I would have to compile
> it.
> But maybe it is so old that it would not be a good idea

I'd give it a try if the source can still be found somewhere.
  http://www.xaraxtreme.org/developers/subversion-access-instructions.html
prescribes a test which fails:

  $ telnet svn.xara.com 3690
  Trying 194.143.183.7...
  telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host

So one would first need to find a repository or tarball with the source.
Then begins the struggle with the dependencies.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: xaralx package

[Michael Fothergill]

On 15 September 2016 at 17:11, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 05:03:23PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > ???http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html???
>
>   "The binaries we distribute require libstdc++ version 5, which is not
>   installed as standard on some modern distributions (for example Ubuntu
>   5.10)."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_
> 5.10_.28Breezy_Badger.29
>
>   "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), released on 12 October 2005"
>
> "Modern", they say.  Heh.
>
> If you can *get* it to compile at all, that seems like the best path.
> APIs may have changed, especially with C++.
>

​BTW, while I was looking at this, I discovered that the GIMP program can
do pretty good 3D text effects.

I found a video on youtube giving a tutorial on this which seemed pretty
good...

There are a number of 3D modelling packages like Art of Illusion and
Blender that can also model 3D text as well.

Since I want stills, or a snapshot of a 3D image for my document then the
GIMP seems a reasonable choice.

I suppose a screen dump or 2D projection of a 3D model made in AOI or
Blender would work OK in a standard Libreoffice document with a bit of cut
and paste editing etc.

Perhaps you would use different tools.

Sample 3D text images from xaraxl I found looked impressive but I think the
package is too old so it's not really practical.

Many thanks to everyone.

Regards

Michael Fothergill








​

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[David Wright]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 11:08:25 (+0200), Hans wrote:
> Hi Andre,
> > To the OP : both sites (and the links under "Drivers") work with
> > Elinks as far as I can see.
> yes, elinks is working well and let me download the drivers. But that did not 
> answer my question, why lynx ignored the links. 

Imagine a company puts a clickable map of the UK on their webpage and
asks you to click on the county you live in. They're labelled
Northamptonshire, Rutland, Norfolk etc.

A graphical browser might show you the links at the bottom of the
window as you move your mouse over the counties on the map. It might
say things like http:///item=58 http:///item=32 etc.
Lynx will list those addresses but it hasn't a clue how to
display the names of the counties, which might be in the text
of the page or even as bits in the image of the map.
And the names of the counties might be irrelevant anyway: those
links could correspond with regions, like East Midlands and
East Anglia, that aren't labelled on the page at all.

Lynx will list them separately (last) or merged with the rest
as requested ( -hiddenlinks=[option] ).

Cheers,
David.

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast

[Tony Baldwin]

On 09/15/2016 12:17 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 20:05:50 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400):


My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line.  I don't think this is
anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement community
which has a huge contract with Comcast.


Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from
here, should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer.


I called a tech person here, and he gave me
a username and password which got me, and keeps me, online . . . but only for 
the
Windoze side.  I gotta do some exploring to see if I can make this work with 
Jessie.


Luckily[1], I'm not a Comcast subscriber, so I cannot speak to this
from experience. Maybe something following can spur you into finding
a path to a solution.

ISTR that some cablecos provide both a router (aka firewall and
possibly a switch) and a modem in the same box, like DSL providers
typically do. DSL providers normally require a login process with
username and password. OTOH, cable providers typically do not
require login, depending instead on the unique MAC address of the
cable modem.


I always assumed that cable companies relied on the fact that you're
at the other "end" of a piece of wire that comes into their building.
When lightning takes out my modem, I shall just buy another of a
type approved by Cox. They'll discover the MAC when I connect it.
(I hate combined modem/routers.)

Obviously some others take a belt and braces approach, perhaps
because a multiple service is being supplied to a ?building(s) over
which they feel they have less control. We get the typical residential
service of one wire/service/bill. If you want to steal the service,
you need to get climbing.


I'm using comcast/xfinity cable internet, with no issues and have for 
some years
I have always just been able to boot a debian system while connected to 
their modem and id automagically detects and configures the connection, 
no problem. If you do any torrenting you've got to use an encrypted 
pipe, or comcast will throttle you, but otherwise no problems.


./tony


--
http://tonybaldwin.me
all tony, all the time

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)

[David Wright]

On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 20:05:50 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400):
> 
> >My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line.  I don't think 
> >this is
> >anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement community
> >which has a huge contract with Comcast.
> 
> Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from
> here, should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer.
> 
> >I called a tech person here, and he gave me
> >a username and password which got me, and keeps me, online . . . but only 
> >for the
> >Windoze side.  I gotta do some exploring to see if I can make this work with 
> >Jessie.
> 
> Luckily[1], I'm not a Comcast subscriber, so I cannot speak to this
> from experience. Maybe something following can spur you into finding
> a path to a solution.
> 
> ISTR that some cablecos provide both a router (aka firewall and
> possibly a switch) and a modem in the same box, like DSL providers
> typically do. DSL providers normally require a login process with
> username and password. OTOH, cable providers typically do not
> require login, depending instead on the unique MAC address of the
> cable modem.

I always assumed that cable companies relied on the fact that you're
at the other "end" of a piece of wire that comes into their building.
When lightning takes out my modem, I shall just buy another of a
type approved by Cox. They'll discover the MAC when I connect it.
(I hate combined modem/routers.)

Obviously some others take a belt and braces approach, perhaps
because a multiple service is being supplied to a ?building(s) over
which they feel they have less control. We get the typical residential
service of one wire/service/bill. If you want to steal the service,
you need to get climbing.

Cheers,
David.

Re: xaralx package

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 05:03:23PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> ???http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html???

  "The binaries we distribute require libstdc++ version 5, which is not
  installed as standard on some modern distributions (for example Ubuntu
  5.10)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_5.10_.28Breezy_Badger.29

  "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), released on 12 October 2005"

"Modern", they say.  Heh.

If you can *get* it to compile at all, that seems like the best path.
APIs may have changed, especially with C++.

Re: xaralx package

[Michael Fothergill]

On 15 September 2016 at 16:48, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > $ file xaralx
> > xaralx: ELF 32-bit ... dynamically linked ... for GNU/Linux 2.2.5,
>
> That's really old.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Timeline
>
> > $ ldd xaralx
> > not a dynamic executable
>
> Probably just too old dynamics to be recognizable nowadays.
>

​Many thanks to everyone who has helped here...​

​The download page says that the binary should run on a 64 bit machine in
what it calls compatability mode.

If I would want to run it natively in 64 bit mode I would have to compile
it.

But maybe it is so old that it would not be a good idea..
​


​http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html​





>
> The command sytax for ldd is ok. A freshly compiled binary of mine
> nicely reports its dynamic libraries when inquired that way.
>

​Did you compile it natively in 64 bit?​


>
> (hopping back in thread)
> > /home/mikef/Documents/xaralx/bin/xaralx (No such file or directory)
>
> This did not happen to me since about 1999. Iirc the error message shall
> tell that the binary cannot find one or more of its dynamic libraries.
> Back then it was an indication that the binary needed to be freshly
> compiled from source.
>
> ​This makes sense.​


>
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
>
> I would be glad if my expectation would be disappointed that the
> 32 bit libraries are much too young for the medieval binary.
>
>
​So would Charles Babbage I guess

Regards and thanks


Michael Fothergill

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[David Wright]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 07:28:16 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> TL;DR (Too Long, Didn't Read)--I didn't anticipate ever using that little 
> abbreviation.
> 
> Anyway, my only reason for writing is to suggest (to the OP) that he consider 
> using a fairly inexpensive digital flat screen tv as his monitor.  I 
> currently 
> use a 1080P 32" T that I bought for under $200 (on sale, somewhere, sometime, 
> probably either Newegg or TigerDirect).
> 
> It has something like 1920x1280 resolution (which is enough resolution for 
> me)--lets me easily set up two large windows side by side on the screen.
> 
> When I installed Wheezy, iirc (some years ago), fonts were pretty good (i.e., 
> plenty big enough) with little or no intervention.  When I recently built a 
> Jessie machine I did initially get some very small fonts and I had to do some 
> adjustment.
> 
> Things too small on a 32" TV--get a 40 or 48 or even bigger TV (although the 
> expense does go up)--again on sale, about 2 years ago I found a 48" TV for 
> about $250.
> 
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 05:11:26 AM Felix Miata wrote:
> > David Wright composed on 2016-09-14 22:59 (UTC-0500):
> > > On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 05:43:24 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> > >> David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00135.html
applies to laptops' own screens too.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[David Wright]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 05:11:26 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> David Wright composed on 2016-09-14 22:59 (UTC-0500):
> 
> >On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 05:43:24 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> >>David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):
> 
> >The person to complain to about not being able to *read* small fonts is
> >your optician.
> 
> Thats presumptuous. There's only so much corrective lenses can do.
> More heroic correction may or may not be possible, or financially
> viable.

Please read the whole paragraph rather than deconstructing it and
criticising the parts. I personified the small fonts, hence the :).
If talking to a short person cricks your neck, better get a chair
rather than complain that the person should be taller.

> >The people to complain to about inappropriate use of small screen fonts
> >are the web designers who serve them up. However, is this practical?
> 
> Only on rare occasions.
> 
> >How many people are you going to complain to? How will you reach them?
> >Where do they work now?
> 
> Historically I've expended effort in various web design help forums
> trying to catch some while they're young enough to be receptive.
> Time to do so has become increasingly scarce.
> 
> >So you're better off aiming for the single point of "failure": ones
> >inability to change (enlarge) them.
> 
> Done that too, mostly via bugzilla.mozilla.org, a little on
> bugzilla.opensuse.org, less elsewhere, and very little of late.
> 
> >The main thrust of *my* posts has been aimed at the VC user, in which
> >case the people to complain to are those serving up the small fonts:
> >the computer manufacturer (if you can't read the CMOS screens) or
> 
> Only my three most recent PC acquisitions don't use antiquity's
> 80x25 text mode for BIOS setup. The newer are clearly inheritors of
> common characteristics of modern web design, meaning more complexity
> per screenful, and everything is considerably smaller than
> characteristic of 80x25.
> 
> >the Debian installation team, not web designers.
> 
> Actually, the Debian installer shows more evidence of design wisdom
> than is typical of other FOSS OS installers. I've only used the text
> mode, which handily accepts kernel cmdline options to select a
> screen resolution that works quite acceptably.
> 
> >But I don't understand why you're worrying about a screen font being
> >over-crisp.
> 
> I don't think you're properly interpreting my intent, observation, not 
> complaint.
> 
> > If you really object to paying for a higher pixel density,
> > then why not buy a cheaper screen (if that's an option, which is
> > unlikely with a laptop).
> 
> Cheaper tends to equate to smaller dimensions, contra to the object
> of making stuff bigger and reducing opportunity for eyestrain. At
> any given physical size, options for native resolution tend to be
> quite limited.
> 
> >But using setfont (through aliases, to avoid having to remember
> >font names) is so much better: instant, and affects each VC
> >individually, so you can trade clarity with screen real-estate
> >merely by using Ctrl-Alt-Fn switching if you have several
> >VCs running side by side.
> 
> Here it becomes apparent your goals differ from mine. I'm perfectly
> happy with having every VC use the same font, and prefer the very
> 16x9 one every rpm kernel I've encountered has used by default
> (IIRC) since my first Linux installation last century. This is the
> same font my (sans-plymouth) Debian installations use at least for
> the initial phases of init, if not all the way through to VC login
> prompts.

I didn't know we were talking about *your* goals. You obviously use
GUI browsers otherwise you'd not be worried about web pages having
small fonts, something a non-GUI user would be blissfully unaware of.

Please read the OP
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00127.html
and my reply
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00135.html
which the OP has obviously read as xe responded to Brian's
comments on it.

Brian's "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" will write the file
I mentioned and set a default size. My setfont commands will
allow different sizes to be selected on the fly, and used
contemporaneously.

Meanwhile the other subthread developed which involved changing the
resolution of the screen (and the font?) by loading different
drivers and modules or, in your case, by "direct[ing] KMS's
framebuffer to use a lower resolution than the native hi-res
one by including a video= parameter on the kernel cmdline".

I'm not convinced that this is the "simplest way". However,
on saying this, you exhorted me to try it before criticising it.
Well, I tried and so far have failed.

> 1-Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. By this I don't mean tried
> only on Debian installations either. The default framebuffer font of
> Debian and its derivatives is very commonly different from
> non-Debian distros, represented by the spindly ugly thing used by
> Ubuntu. Without Plymouth, one 

Re: usb-tethered verizon/netgear airpack + ethernet printer

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:01:10AM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:

Is it possible to use the ethernet port of a laptop to feed a printer
while the laptop is connected to the Internet via a usb-tethered
verizon/netgear airpack 791L?

Network manager appears unable to find the printer.


In theory, it should be. You may need:
* A "cross-over" cable. If you're not using an ethernet switch between 
the two devices, then a cross-over cable will avoid both devices 
talking on the same pins.
* A DHCP server on the laptop. The easiest method is to configure both 
the printer and the laptop's ethernet port with static IP addresses 
(192.168.5.1 and 192.168.5.2 should work (192.168.X.Y is a private 
range and 192.168.5.Y probably won't be used by, say, the internet 
connect)).




RLH



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Re: xaralx package

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Michael Fothergill wrote:
> $ file xaralx
> xaralx: ELF 32-bit ... dynamically linked ... for GNU/Linux 2.2.5,

That's really old.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Timeline

> $ ldd xaralx
> not a dynamic executable

Probably just too old dynamics to be recognizable nowadays.

The command sytax for ldd is ok. A freshly compiled binary of mine
nicely reports its dynamic libraries when inquired that way.

(hopping back in thread)
> /home/mikef/Documents/xaralx/bin/xaralx (No such file or directory)

This did not happen to me since about 1999. Iirc the error message shall
tell that the binary cannot find one or more of its dynamic libraries.
Back then it was an indication that the binary needed to be freshly
compiled from source.


Greg Wooledge wrote:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO

I would be glad if my expectation would be disappointed that the
32 bit libraries are much too young for the medieval binary.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: xaralx package

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:13:27PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ldd "$(which xaralx)"
> ldd: ./: not regular file

Sorry.  I didn't realize you were cd'ing into the directory where
the file was, and that this directory was not in your $PATH at all.

Based on your other response, it looks like you might be trying to run
an i386 (32-bit) program on an amd64 (64-bit) installation.  If that's
the case, you need to set up multiarch support:

https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Dutch Ingraham]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:47:14AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Links is no longer updated, 

Where did you get this information?  As far as I can see, links was updated on
July 1, 2016.[1][2]  Does that qualify as "no longer updated"?  

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
[2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/links/

usb-tethered verizon/netgear airpack + ethernet printer

[rlharris]

Is it possible to use the ethernet port of a laptop to feed a printer
while the laptop is connected to the Internet via a usb-tethered
verizon/netgear airpack 791L?

Network manager appears unable to find the printer.

RLH

Re: xaralx package

[Michael Fothergill]

On 15 September 2016 at 15:54, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:51:28PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> > $ ldd xaralx
>
> ldd actually needs a path to the executable.  It doesn't search $PATH.
>
> $ ldd "$(which xaralx)"
>



>
> would be one way to do it.
>

​I did it​


​Result:​



mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ldd "$(which xaralx)"
ldd: ./: not regular file

Re: xaralx package

[Michael Fothergill]

On 15 September 2016 at 15:51, Dominique Dumont  wrote:

> On Thursday, 15 September 2016 14:24:37 CEST Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > What I am I doing wrong here?
>
> Could you run:
>
> $ file xaralx
>

​Result:


mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ pwd
/home/mikef/Documents/xaralx/bin
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ file xaralx
xaralx: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.2.5,
not stripped
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$

​


>
> and
>
> $ ldd xaralx
>

​Result:​


mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ldd xaralx
not a dynamic executable
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$


​Regards

MF​




>
> All the best
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>
>

Re: xaralx package

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:51:28PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> $ ldd xaralx

ldd actually needs a path to the executable.  It doesn't search $PATH.

$ ldd "$(which xaralx)"

would be one way to do it.

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Hans,
lynx no more suppresses site content, than a monitor  refuses to show 
material.
All lynx can do is give you what the site designer  has used in their 
code.
If the person drafting the site decides to use  techniques that do not 
respond to the keyboard, do not create active links  try  to do something 
loopy like a sort of dynamic element, it is not the fault of  lynx.
In fact you may wish to contact the people behind this site and inform 
them.  Especially since lynx is often used by those in their market.

Does this make sense?
Remember the references to the Internet as a super highway.
Lynx is just a car, if someone leaves pot holes  in the road, one does not 
blame the car for this   yes?

Happy to help,
Kare


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Hans wrote:


Hi Karen,

I tried as you described. However, this showed me the word "Treiber" but your
better hint was the one with the letter "l". That way I can see, these links
are hidden and could navigate to it (it is letter 107 here).
Gowever, it does not explain, why lynx suppresses these. Ok, these are hidden,
but accessible, so lynx should be able to acccess them.

Maybe it is still configurationable, I will try once more.

Thanks for your help, it makes things clearer.

Best

Hans


Hi Hans,
Okay,  here is what I just did to reach that area.
Indeed you are correct, especially if you have the links are numbered
option turned on, there is no clear way to reach the drivers area.
However lynx will display  and allow you to reach hidden links on a page.
Once you go through the steps providing the content on this site, choose
the l key as in the letter l.
You are presented in order the links on the page, starting  with the
visible ones.
Now,  if you use the search function, /
and enter the word hidden,  you are taken to the list of hidden links  on
the page, including one for the drivers.
with links are numbered turned on, at least for me, it is number 114.
activate  the hidden link option for the drivers and you are taken to the
page where they are  listed.
Does this make sense?
Kare

Re: xaralx package

[Dominique Dumont]

On Thursday, 15 September 2016 14:24:37 CEST Michael Fothergill wrote:
> What I am I doing wrong here?

Could you run:

$ file xaralx

and

$ ldd xaralx

All the best
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http://ddumont.wordpress.com/  -o-   irc: dod at irc.debian.org

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Hans]

Hi Karen,

I tried as you described. However, this showed me the word "Treiber" but your 
better hint was the one with the letter "l". That way I can see, these links 
are hidden and could navigate to it (it is letter 107 here).
Gowever, it does not explain, why lynx suppresses these. Ok, these are hidden, 
but accessible, so lynx should be able to acccess them.

Maybe it is still configurationable, I will try once more.

Thanks for your help, it makes things clearer.

Best

Hans 
 
> Hi Hans,
> Okay,  here is what I just did to reach that area.
> Indeed you are correct, especially if you have the links are numbered
> option turned on, there is no clear way to reach the drivers area.
> However lynx will display  and allow you to reach hidden links on a page.
> Once you go through the steps providing the content on this site, choose
> the l key as in the letter l.
> You are presented in order the links on the page, starting  with the
> visible ones.
> Now,  if you use the search function, /
> and enter the word hidden,  you are taken to the list of hidden links  on
> the page, including one for the drivers.
> with links are numbered turned on, at least for me, it is number 114.
> activate  the hidden link option for the drivers and you are taken to the
> page where they are  listed.
> Does this make sense?
> Kare
> 

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Karen Lewellen]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Hans wrote:


Am Mittwoch, 14. September 2016, 20:06:40 CEST schrieb Karen Lewellen:
Hi Karen,

thanks for your hint! This is working. Deactivating sending the agent, let me
read the site. However, still there is the problem, that I cannot step to
submenus on the site. If one wants to see, what I mean:

go to www.nvidia.com, then try to go to the "Drivers" link. The colour here is
purple of the link, and cannot be reached.



Hi Hans,
Okay,  here is what I just did to reach that area.
Indeed you are correct, especially if you have the links are numbered 
option turned on, there is no clear way to reach the drivers area.

However lynx will display  and allow you to reach hidden links on a page.
Once you go through the steps providing the content on this site, choose 
the l key as in the letter l.
You are presented in order the links on the page, starting  with the 
visible ones.

Now,  if you use the search function, /
and enter the word hidden,  you are taken to the list of hidden links  on 
the page, including one for the drivers.

with links are numbered turned on, at least for me, it is number 114.
activate  the hidden link option for the drivers and you are taken to the 
page where they are  listed.

Does this make sense?
Kare





Hans


Hi,
Forgive this not being in context.
If you are using the most current development edition of Lynx from April
25  of this year and you are reaching sites that present a message like
the following,
403 forbidden,
I suggest you try the following.
open the options menu and arrow down to the item that says
   "send user agent," with an exclamation mark because the change  cannot
be saved  permanently.
unchecked this option do the temporary  save options  and you will get
confirmation that the value has been accepted.
if you are still on the site in question, things may improve right
away.  if not try the site again, with positive results..or such is
my experience   almost all of the time when I reach the forbidden message.
I hope this is helpful,
Karen

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Karen Lewellen]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Curt wrote:


On 2016-09-14, Jude DaShiell  wrote:

One of these days, I'd like to put a website up and permit only text
browsers like links and lynx and edbrowse full access and either block
all of the graphical browsers or simply cause all of them to crash.



That's the spirit. An eye for an eye is what I say (with a little
malicious crashing as whipped cream on the ocular globe).




Oh how
 funny!  Honestly I would simply put them through the frustration 
encountered when  the low graphics browsers do not work...then explain how 
to create the site properly in the first place.
That, and  raise funds on kickstarter to pay  someone to create a browser 
that  embodies the best of both.

The ignorance is the greater issue.
I can no longer access my linked in account because the person working on 
the site thinks the enter key works, on their script buttons...and it does 
not.

Kare



--
“Whatever is rejected from the self, appears in the world as an event.”
C.G. Jung

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Karen Lewellen]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Andre Majorel wrote:



To the OP : both sites (and the links under "Drivers") work with
Elinks as far as I can see.

I must say, it baffles me that Lynx continues to get more
mentions than Elinks, Links and W3m together even though they
render HTML at least as well and usually better that Lynx. Or
have things changed in recent years ?


Actually not as well or better, depending on the task.
Lynx is updated regularly, which  may be part of why you hear about it with 
greater frequency.
Plug in aspects like html5  in some distributions, the ability to manage 
script buttons sometimes too if the button is well created

.
Links is no longer updated, does not even support cookies.
e-links has not been updated for a while, while lynx was updated a few 
months  ago.



Karen

Re: xaralx package

[Michael Fothergill]

On 15 September 2016 at 11:34, Michael Fothergill <
michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 15 September 2016 at 10:59, Mark Fletcher  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> My suggestion would be install apt-file, either using aptitude or
>> apt-get or synaptic if you prefer.
>>
>> Then as root:
>> apt-file update
>>
>> Once that is done, you can do apt-file search libpangoxft and see what
>> package, if any, in Debian contains it. Then install that package. Or
>> create a dummy package that depends on it and install that, so the library
>> will get removed again if you don't need it later and not clutter your
>> system up.
>>
>
> ​Many thanks for the help here!​
>
>
> ​I did this and it was the ​
>
> ​
> ​
> ibpangoxft-1.0
> ​-dev package that needed to be installed - but this time when I installed
> it using aptitude it worked.
>
> ​But when I tried to run xaralx I got the following error:​
>
> ​
> michaelmikef@rhubarb:~/Documents/CPI/xaralx/xaralx/bin$ ./xaralx
> ./xaralx: error while loading shared libraries: l
> ​​
> ibpangoxft-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
> directory
>
> ​Regards
>
> MF​
>

​Dear All,

I tried installing xaralx on another machine I have running Debian Jessie
cf stretch above.

the tar file seemed to extract properly and I can see the executable:

mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx$ ls
bin  mime-storage  share  xaralx.desktop  xaralxHelp.tar.gz  xaralx.png
 xaralx.xml
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx$ cd bin
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ls
xaralx  xarasvgfilter  xarasvgfilterui
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ls -l
total 33652
-rwxr-xr-x 1 mikef mikef 24330484 Aug 10  2006 xaralx
-rwxr-xr-x 1 mikef mikef  6453151 Aug 10  2006 xarasvgfilter
-rwxr-xr-x 1 mikef mikef  3669331 Aug 10  2006 xarasvgfilterui
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$

looks encouraging...

But

​
​when I try to run the executable the error I get is:

failed to execute ​child process

/home/mikef/Documents/xaralx/bin/xaralx (No such file or directory)

But the directory and file do exist...


​What I am I doing wrong here?

Regards

MF​




>
> ​
>
>
>>
>> If the package you need turns out to be the one you already tried, we
>> will need to know the exact errors you are getting to help further.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: To "Brian"

[Brian]

On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 21:51:44 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Brian,
> 
> Please contact me off list with an email address to which a reply will work.
> 
> Randy Kramer

I prefer all my communication with the list to be through the list,
But you might want to read

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00997.html

-- 
Brian. 

Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved

[Brian]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 11:01:12 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> Are you deliberately remaining uncontactable off list?  You must be sending 

I am not uncontactable.

> from one email address and receiving to another, since the email address  
>  still doesn't work, and you are getting list emails.

The system delivering the mail (which I do not control) definitely works
because you got a helpful mail by return. That mail did not come from my
mail system.

As a matter of interest: suppose you had received no rejection message;
what would you think? Working from those thoughts: suppose you never
received a reply from me? What would go through you mind?

> If you are prepared to be contacted off-line, but don't want to publish the 
> address here, may I have it?  You have my email address!!

The address *is* published here. Please see the final two paragraphs of

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/08/msg00997.html

-- 
Brian.

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Curt]

On 2016-09-14, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> One of these days, I'd like to put a website up and permit only text 
> browsers like links and lynx and edbrowse full access and either block 
> all of the graphical browsers or simply cause all of them to crash.
>

That's the spirit. An eye for an eye is what I say (with a little
malicious crashing as whipped cream on the ocular globe).

-- 
“Whatever is rejected from the self, appears in the world as an event.” 
C.G. Jung

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[rhkramer]

TL;DR (Too Long, Didn't Read)--I didn't anticipate ever using that little 
abbreviation.

Anyway, my only reason for writing is to suggest (to the OP) that he consider 
using a fairly inexpensive digital flat screen tv as his monitor.  I currently 
use a 1080P 32" T that I bought for under $200 (on sale, somewhere, sometime, 
probably either Newegg or TigerDirect).

It has something like 1920x1280 resolution (which is enough resolution for 
me)--lets me easily set up two large windows side by side on the screen.

When I installed Wheezy, iirc (some years ago), fonts were pretty good (i.e., 
plenty big enough) with little or no intervention.  When I recently built a 
Jessie machine I did initially get some very small fonts and I had to do some 
adjustment.

Things too small on a 32" TV--get a 40 or 48 or even bigger TV (although the 
expense does go up)--again on sale, about 2 years ago I found a 48" TV for 
about $250.


On Thursday, September 15, 2016 05:11:26 AM Felix Miata wrote:
> David Wright composed on 2016-09-14 22:59 (UTC-0500):
> > On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 05:43:24 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> >> David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):

Re: internet connectivity from Comcast

[Jude DaShiell]

comcast owns the box and connectivity requires a network name and 
password to be in a computer's wifi settings before you can connect. 
Comcast puts two possible connections on each box.  One of them is for 
the account holder and the other connection is for public use if comcast 
users have an email address and a different password to log into their 
comcast accounts.


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Felix Miata wrote:


Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:48:47
From: Felix Miata 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast
Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:49:25 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Jude DaShiell composed on 2016-09-15 06:06 (UTC-0400):


I'm on comcast and what we have here is a cable account with a
combination router modem box.


Who owns the box?

Does connectivity on the account involve use of a login and password?



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Re: internet connectivity from Comcast

[Felix Miata]

Jude DaShiell composed on 2016-09-15 06:06 (UTC-0400):


I'm on comcast and what we have here is a cable account with a
combination router modem box.


Who owns the box?

Does connectivity on the account involve use of a login and password?
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Re: xaralx package

[Michael Fothergill]

On 15 September 2016 at 10:59, Mark Fletcher  wrote:

>
>
>>
>> My suggestion would be install apt-file, either using aptitude or apt-get
> or synaptic if you prefer.
>
> Then as root:
> apt-file update
>
> Once that is done, you can do apt-file search libpangoxft and see what
> package, if any, in Debian contains it. Then install that package. Or
> create a dummy package that depends on it and install that, so the library
> will get removed again if you don't need it later and not clutter your
> system up.
>

​Many thanks for the help here!​


​I did this and it was the ​

​
​
ibpangoxft-1.0
​-dev package that needed to be installed - but this time when I installed
it using aptitude it worked.

​But when I tried to run xaralx I got the following error:​

​
michaelmikef@rhubarb:~/Documents/CPI/xaralx/xaralx/bin$ ./xaralx
./xaralx: error while loading shared libraries: l
​​
ibpangoxft-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory

​Regards

MF​

​


>
> If the package you need turns out to be the one you already tried, we will
> need to know the exact errors you are getting to help further.
>
> Mark
>

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2016-09-15 10:47:55 +0200, Andre Majorel wrote:
> I must say, it baffles me that Lynx continues to get more
> mentions than Elinks, Links and W3m together even though they
> render HTML at least as well and usually better that Lynx. Or
> have things changed in recent years ?

Links does not support UTF-8. The other ones do.

-- 
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100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: google-chrome-stable vs. chromium

[Bob Bernstein]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Eduardo Quagliato wrote:


google-chrome-stable: Google's package, with its proprietary
software in it (like flash and other things alike);
chromium: Open-source project from which Google drawn its
source (refer to http://www.chromium.org/);


Thanks. Concise. I think I get it.


If want to use netflix and things like that [...]


Aha. That describes me to a tee. Now, I put a premium on things 
that "just work."



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Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Andre Majorel]

On 2016-09-15 11:08 +0200, Hans wrote:

> Due to your suggestion, I tried elinks. For my personal taste
> I like the colour setting of lynx more.

My Elinks have colour disabled so use the xterm's colours (in my
case, black text on white-ish background). I often end up doing
this as most terminal applications that use colour have a
positive contrast colour scheme (light on dark) which I find
tiring.

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Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm on comcast and what we have here is a cable account with a 
combination router modem box.


On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Felix Miata wrote:


Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:05:50
From: Felix Miata 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to
run...)
Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 00:06:14 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400):

My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line.  I don't think 
this is
anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement 
community

which has a huge contract with Comcast.


Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from here, 
should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer.



I called a tech person here, and he gave me
a username and password which got me, and keeps me, online . . . but only 
for the
Windoze side.  I gotta do some exploring to see if I can make this work 
with Jessie.


Luckily[1], I'm not a Comcast subscriber, so I cannot speak to this from 
experience. Maybe something following can spur you into finding a path to a 
solution.


ISTR that some cablecos provide both a router (aka firewall and possibly a 
switch) and a modem in the same box, like DSL providers typically do. DSL 
providers normally require a login process with username and password. OTOH, 
cable providers typically do not require login, depending instead on the 
unique MAC address of the cable modem. It sounds to me like you either do not 
have an internet router between your PC and the modem, or have a combination 
modem/router/firewall, and so needs Jessie to somehow login similarly to how 
the tech enabled you to connect in Windows. Had you a separate internet 
router that you own, then the router could perform login duty, and internet 
connectivity would not depend on which OS you booted.


[1]
http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/06/comcast-customer-satisfaction-rating-plummets-again/
http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/the-top-5-worst-corporate-citizens-in-the-u-s.html/?a=viewall



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Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 15 September 2016 00:50:25 Brian wrote:
> On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 00:33:09 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 14 September 2016 23:09:12 Brian wrote:
> > > >        Ah. That's good.  Your E-mail reader seems to respect my
> > > > indentations.  Others don't, alas.  Do you perchance use mutt?
> >
> > Indentations count as formatting.  Plain text is supposed not to preserve
> > formatting.
>
> I think you can be excused from thinking I wrote that but I didn't.
> Nothing for anyone to get bothered about as far as I am concerned.

I'm sorry.  That was carelessness.  It is a "fault" in my email client that it 
tends to get the attributions of emails wrong when it is asked in advance to 
trim for a reply. I do know that I should check, and not doing so is plain 
carelessness.  

For the record, it was *Alan* whose indentations my (and many other) email 
clients *correctly* did not preserve.  It has been instructed to use plain 
text.  (Another instruction it doesn't always obey, but therein hangs another 
story.)

Are you deliberately remaining uncontactable off list?  You must be sending 
from one email address and receiving to another, since the email address  
 still doesn't work, and you are getting list emails.  
If you are prepared to be contacted off-line, but don't want to publish the 
address here, may I have it?  You have my email address!!

Lisi

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Jude DaShiell]

Links can be made to work accessibly; elinks cannot.  Last version of 
elinks I used I couldn't find any setting in it to number links.
w3m runs stuff a bit differently but can be blocked by javascript on 
sites.  The creator of the web is frustrated with the way it turned out 
and specifically for accessibility reasons.  He wasn't blind from birth 
either.


On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Andre Majorel wrote:


Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:47:55
From: Andre Majorel 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: lynx - not all sites readable
Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:48:30 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

On 2016-09-14 17:46 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 05:06:29PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

One of these days, I'd like to put a website up and permit only text
browsers like links and lynx and edbrowse full access and either
block all of the graphical browsers or simply cause all of them to
crash.


That is stupid, petty and pretty much a waste of time.


Yes, isn't it wonderful ?

To the OP : both sites (and the links under "Drivers") work with
Elinks as far as I can see.

I must say, it baffles me that Lynx continues to get more
mentions than Elinks, Links and W3m together even though they
render HTML at least as well and usually better that Lynx. Or
have things changed in recent years ?




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Re: xaralx package

[Mark Fletcher]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 at 16:09, Michael Fothergill <
michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Dear Folks,
>
> There used to be a xaralx package for debian but it has been discontinued.
>
> I tried installing the tar file from the xara extreme web site but got an
> error about libpangoxft-1.0 not being present etc.
>
> I tried installing libpango dev but synaptic said some packages were
> missing and it failed.
>
> But maybe it wouldn't have helped any way..
>
> I want to produce some 3D text images for a document.
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Fothergill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My suggestion would be install apt-file, either using aptitude or apt-get
or synaptic if you prefer.

Then as root:
apt-file update

Once that is done, you can do apt-file search libpangoxft and see what
package, if any, in Debian contains it. Then install that package. Or
create a dummy package that depends on it and install that, so the library
will get removed again if you don't need it later and not clutter your
system up.

If the package you need turns out to be the one you already tried, we will
need to know the exact errors you are getting to help further.

Mark

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Felix Miata]

David Wright composed on 2016-09-14 22:59 (UTC-0500):


On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 05:43:24 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:



David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):



The person to complain to about not being able to *read* small fonts is
your optician.


Thats presumptuous. There's only so much corrective lenses can do. More 
heroic correction may or may not be possible, or financially viable.



The people to complain to about inappropriate use of small screen fonts
are the web designers who serve them up. However, is this practical?


Only on rare occasions.


How many people are you going to complain to? How will you reach them?
Where do they work now?


Historically I've expended effort in various web design help forums trying to 
catch some while they're young enough to be receptive. Time to do so has 
become increasingly scarce.



So you're better off aiming for the single point of "failure": ones
inability to change (enlarge) them.


Done that too, mostly via bugzilla.mozilla.org, a little on 
bugzilla.opensuse.org, less elsewhere, and very little of late.



The main thrust of *my* posts has been aimed at the VC user, in which
case the people to complain to are those serving up the small fonts:
the computer manufacturer (if you can't read the CMOS screens) or


Only my three most recent PC acquisitions don't use antiquity's 80x25 text 
mode for BIOS setup. The newer are clearly inheritors of common 
characteristics of modern web design, meaning more complexity per screenful, 
and everything is considerably smaller than characteristic of 80x25.



the Debian installation team, not web designers.


Actually, the Debian installer shows more evidence of design wisdom than is 
typical of other FOSS OS installers. I've only used the text mode, which 
handily accepts kernel cmdline options to select a screen resolution that 
works quite acceptably.



But I don't understand why you're worrying about a screen font being
over-crisp.


I don't think you're properly interpreting my intent, observation, not 
complaint.

> If you really object to paying for a higher pixel density,
> then why not buy a cheaper screen (if that's an option, which is
> unlikely with a laptop).

Cheaper tends to equate to smaller dimensions, contra to the object of making 
stuff bigger and reducing opportunity for eyestrain. At any given physical 
size, options for native resolution tend to be quite limited.



But using setfont (through aliases, to avoid having to remember
font names) is so much better: instant, and affects each VC
individually, so you can trade clarity with screen real-estate
merely by using Ctrl-Alt-Fn switching if you have several
VCs running side by side.


Here it becomes apparent your goals differ from mine. I'm perfectly happy 
with having every VC use the same font, and prefer the very 16x9 one every 
rpm kernel I've encountered has used by default (IIRC) since my first Linux 
installation last century. This is the same font my (sans-plymouth) Debian 
installations use at least for the initial phases of init, if not all the way 
through to VC login prompts.



>>1-Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. By this I don't mean tried
>>only on Debian installations either. The default framebuffer font of
>>Debian and its derivatives is very commonly different from
>>non-Debian distros, represented by the spindly ugly thing used by
>>Ubuntu. Without Plymouth, one can typically see the initial font
>>during post is much bolder, changing somewhere along the way to the
>>desktop or login prompt to a much lighter stroked variety. If all
>>you've ever seen is the lightweight, try a (Debian) Knoppix CD or
>>DVD and you'll see what Fedora and openSUSE users see by default
>>(TerminusBold?) on their framebuffers, a font that's nicely bold and
>>forgiving of non-optimal screen resolution.



>Well, I'm up for that. Tell me what I have to do: it's quite involved.



Which "that" are you up for that's "quite involved"?



You wrote "Don't knock it if you haven't tried it" so I'm up for trying it.


I get that you are, just not what exactly is your definition of "that" or "it".


I run all my computer displays at their maximum resolution.


I have one 19.8" (actual viewable) Trinitron that I still use fairly often, 
but the rest are flat panels. The general rule for panels here is Xorg is run 
in native mode, but resolution differs for the VCs as an eminently 
efficacious method of controlling the size of the kernel's and framebuffer's 
default font learned decades ago.



They
are all LCD displays. (My last CRT monitor went to the tip in
October 2011, the last CRT TV in February 2014.)


I still have two CRT TV's in serviceable condition, though used little. Only 
one has PIP, and neither have POP. Unlike newer TVs and their digital modes, 
source selection and channel switching on a CRT is for all practical purposes 
instantaneous. Also they have durable glass surfaces, not susceptible to 
scratching. I currentl

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Hans]

Hi Andre,
> To the OP : both sites (and the links under "Drivers") work with
> Elinks as far as I can see.
yes, elinks is working well and let me download the drivers. But that did not 
answer my question, why lynx ignored the links. 

> I must say, it baffles me that Lynx continues to get more
> mentions than Elinks, Links and W3m together even though they
> render HTML at least as well and usually better that Lynx. Or
> have things changed in recent years ?

Due to your suggestion, I tried elinks. For my personal taste I like the 
colour setting of lynx more. However, I see elinks is also great with another 
GUI philosophie. It reminds me of old packet radio programs in DOS like turbo 
packet, top, stop or  similar written in turbo pascal.

In the past I also tried links, which I also was not so emphazised of, as its 
very simple interface. However, this is a personal meaning, and I believe, 
that other people might love, what I dislike. :)

Thanks for the hint and happy hacking!

Hans  

Re: exim4 some config error causing error how to pinpoint

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2016-09-14, Harry Putnam  wrote:
> Liam O'Toole  writes:
>
>> dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
>
> Thanks, that was pretty painless.  And thanks for the url to the
> documentation section.
>
> I've now progressed on to where I was aiming for.
>
> I wanted to have one debian box as main mail client.  Yet be able to
> send mail from a couple of others.
>
> I've managed to get that working by aiming the secondary hosts at the
> main mail host as smarthost.  That main host is inturn aimed at an
> internet smarthost.
>
> So far all working except one glitch.
>
> Here is the cast of characters:
> HOST1 Main mail host
> HOST2 secondary host
> User1 HOST1
> User2 HOST1
> user HOST2
>
> I can send a mail from HOST2 to a user on HOST1 using the correct
> address.  user1@HOST1
>
> That main host has only two users.  I can send mail from HOST2 to
> only one of those users.  That is. if, from HOST2, I send mail
> to a HOST1 user like:
>
>   user1@HOST1   It arrives in user1 slot at /var/spool/mail/user1 on
> HOST1. 
>
> However If I try sending to user2@HOST1 it never gets there. Even
> though the smtp output on sending HOST2 appears to be saying it was
> sent and received successfully.
>
>--- --- ---=--- --- ---
>
> orignating on HOST2 
>
> tmail user2@HOST1
> sending like this:
> mailx -v -s "TEST 160914_163910" user1@HOST1 < ~/txtmsg.txt
> LOG: MAIN
>  <= u...@host2.local.lan U=user1 P=local S=422
>
> smtp output:
>
>  delivering 1bkGxi-0002L3-U4
> R: smarthost for user2@HOST1
> T: remote_smtp_smarthost for user1@HOST1
> Connecting to HOST1.local.lan [192.168.1.5]:25 ... connected
>   SMTP<< 220 dv ESMTP Exim 4.86 Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:47:36 -0400
>   SMTP>> EHLO HOST2.local.lan
>   SMTP<< 250-dv Hello HOST2.local.lan [192.168.1.17]
>  250-SIZE 52428800
>  250-8BITMIME
>  250-PIPELINING
>  250 HELP
>   SMTP>> MAIL FROM: SIZE=1464
>   SMTP>> RCPT TO:
>   SMTP>> DATA
>   SMTP<< 250 OK
>   SMTP<< 250 Accepted
>   SMTP<< 354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself
>   SMTP>> writing message and terminating "."
>   SMTP<< 250 OK id=1bkH5k-0008FT-UQ
>   SMTP>> QUIT
> LOG: MAIN
>  => user2@HOST1 R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=HOST1.local.lan 
> [192.168.1.5] C="250 OK id=1bkH5k-0008FT-UQ"
> LOG: MAIN
>   Completed
>
> Mail never appears at HOST1 /var/spool/mail/user2
>
>

Does user2 appear in the file /etc/aliases on HOST1? Is there a
/home/user2/.forward file on that host? Either of those would cause mail
addressed to user2@HOST1 to be relayed to another user instead.

Is there anything suspicious in the file /var/log/exim4/mainlog on
HOST1?

-- 

Liam

Re: lynx - not all sites readable

[Andre Majorel]

On 2016-09-14 17:46 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 05:06:29PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > One of these days, I'd like to put a website up and permit only text
> > browsers like links and lynx and edbrowse full access and either
> > block all of the graphical browsers or simply cause all of them to
> > crash.
>
> That is stupid, petty and pretty much a waste of time.

Yes, isn't it wonderful ?

To the OP : both sites (and the links under "Drivers") work with
Elinks as far as I can see.

I must say, it baffles me that Lynx continues to get more
mentions than Elinks, Links and W3m together even though they
render HTML at least as well and usually better that Lynx. Or
have things changed in recent years ?

-- 
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Re: Odd issues with Stretch installation

[Chris Angelico]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ric Moore  wrote:
> On 09/14/2016 10:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> The first sign of failure was that, after installation, the GUI didn't
>> load properly - just a black screen with a mouse cursor. In trying to
>> track down the failure, I found the disk to be full, so I didn't
>> bother analyzing it any further.
>
>
> Same problem. Only my tower has plenty of memory and disk space. I just get
> a black screen, lonely mouse cursor in the upper left of my display. Yes,
> the mouse cursor does move around. So, I open a terminal and startx gives me
> the XFCE desktop. Ric

How did you open a terminal? From that screen, or by booting in a
different mode? When I tried that, I got a "no screens found" error,
which has led me to a solution, of sorts (and which I've literally
only just finished testing while writing this email):

1) Install Debian as normal
2) Boot, and at the grub screen, edit - on the 'linux' line, add
"systemd.unit=multi-user.target"
3) Install VirtualBox Guest Additions via build-essential,
module-assistant, and the provided .iso
4) Reboot normally.

In previous Debians, guest additions have come along automatically, so
I'm hoping that this issue is only because I'm running Testing and
stuff hasn't settled down. Installing Debian Stable, installing
VirtualBox from the standard repos (albeit the contrib section), and
then installing Debian Stable inside that, should be an easy
operation.

In any case, the "disk full is not an error" error is still an error.
It just doesn't happen to have been the cause of the video issues.

ChrisA

Re: Odd issues with Stretch installation

[Ric Moore]

On 09/14/2016 10:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:


The first sign of failure was that, after installation, the GUI didn't
load properly - just a black screen with a mouse cursor. In trying to
track down the failure, I found the disk to be full, so I didn't
bother analyzing it any further.


Same problem. Only my tower has plenty of memory and disk space. I just 
get a black screen, lonely mouse cursor in the upper left of my display. 
Yes, the mouse cursor does move around. So, I open a terminal and startx 
gives me the XFCE desktop. Ric



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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Ric Moore]

On 09/14/2016 04:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 09/01/2016 08:51 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right
click and Search is affected too.


Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
effected packages. Yay!

These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade the
effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.


Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded and 
XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal and enter 
startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing XFCE packages. 
But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right click no longer 
function. Drats. Ric


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..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
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xaralx package

[Michael Fothergill]

Dear Folks,

There used to be a xaralx package for debian but it has been discontinued.

I tried installing the tar file from the xara extreme web site but got an
error about libpangoxft-1.0 not being present etc.

I tried installing libpango dev but synaptic said some packages were
missing and it failed.

But maybe it wouldn't have helped any way..

I want to produce some 3D text images for a document.

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill