Re: Laserjet p1109w - anyone got it working?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 September 2016 23:30:01 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> On Sun, September 18, 2016 5:10 pm, brian wrote:
> > My dear old Laserjet 5N finally having died, I bought an HP Laserjet
> > P1109w to replace it. I have managed to install it to the extent that
> > it's recognised (USB connection, not wireless) but the problem is that it
> > apparently needs a *proprietary* plug-in to print properly.
> >
> > I have H-Ps installer, and everything goes OK up to the point at which
> > it goes to an unspecified H-P site to download the plug-in.
>
> Installer?  Plug-in?  Are you using CUPS?  Is the P1109w not in the CUPS
> menu?
>
> I picked up a P3015 for $150; it runs perfectly under CUPS and is the best
> printer I ever have used.  I am using the Ethernet interface.

If we are putting in plugs for other printers, then Sumsung has brilliant 
support for Linux, once you get past first level support.  They have a chap 
(Linux Support Department!), whose permission I have to give out his name and 
contact details, who will stick with it to help until the printer/all-in-on 
works in Linux, if the supplied Linux drivers don't work.  (I've always 
managed to get printers going - it was an all-in-one I needed his help for.)

Lisi

Re: Laserjet p1109w - anyone got it working?

[deloptes]

brian wrote:

> My dear old Laserjet 5N finally having died, I bought an HP Laserjet
> P1109w to replace it. I have managed to install it to the extent that
> it's recognised (USB connection, not wireless) but the problem is that
> it apparently needs a proprietary plug-in to print properly.

No idea what you are talking about, but I find this
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_professional_p1109w.html

Re: page RELOAD by Firefox

[rlharris]

On Sun, September 18, 2016 7:10 pm, Seeker wrote:
> Is this web page on the PWS or out on the internet?
> Is the PWS using the same data connection you are using to access the
> web page? Is there advertising on this page?
> If you do not leave the page open in a tab, does your data allocation
> still get rapidly depleted?
>
> Maybe with more information someone will have an alternative suggestion.

The page is associated with the weather underground:

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KTXSMITH14

Re: cant get to desktop anymore

[Frank McCormick]

On 18/09/16 07:57 PM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada mailto:bellcanada...@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz
help

roberto
438 881 9269 
all i get is ablack scren
even recory mode doesnt help


Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?

What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?

If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I bet a
donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way
...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet.  Someone just shoot me. Ric





  I'll shoot you if you promise to return the favor :) The whole Mate
desktop is broken because of GTK 3.2whatever :)

Rebuilding Debian package from source

[Joshua Schaeffer]

I'm trying to rebuild the nginx-extras package from Jessie and I'm running into 
an error when I run debuild. I want to add a module to Nginx. I've just been 
following this to rebuild the package: 
https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/

Here is what I've done:

1. Downloaded the source using apt.
 * apt-get source nginx-extras
2. Built the dependencies for the package
 * apt-get build-dep nginx-extras
3. Updated the debian/rules file to include my module
4. Added my module to the debian/modules directory
5. Ran debuild to compile the package.
 * debuild -us -uc

When I run the debuild command I get an error about no 
Test/nginx-1.6.2-5_deb8u2/auto directory existing. As the error suggests it 
doesn't exist, but I'm not sure how to fix it. Creating the directory just 
leads to another error. Would anybody be able to tell me why I'm getting this 
error and how to fix it. I do have devscripts installed on the machine.

jschaeffer@mutalisk:~/Build Test/nginx-1.6.2-5+deb8u2$ debuild -us -uc
...
make[1]: Entering directory '/home/jschaeffer/Build Test/nginx-1.6.2-5+deb8u2'
dh_testdir
mkdir -p /home/jschaeffer/Build Test/nginx-1.6.2-5+deb8u2/debian/build-full
cp -Pa /home/jschaeffer/Build Test/nginx-1.6.2-5+deb8u2/auto 
/home/jschaeffer/Build Test/nginx-1.6.2-5+deb8u2/debian/build-full/
*cp: cannot stat ‘Test/nginx-1.6.2-5+deb8u2/auto’: No such file or directory*
cp: will not create hard link 
‘Test/nginx-1.6.2-5+deb8u2/debian/build-full/Build’ to directory 
‘Test/nginx-1.6.2-5+deb8u2/debian/build-full/Build’
debian/rules:141: recipe for target 'config.arch.full' failed
make[1]: *** [config.arch.full] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/jschaeffer/Build Test/nginx-1.6.2-5+deb8u2'
debian/rules:117: recipe for target 'build' failed
make: *** [build] Error 2
dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
debuild: fatal error at line 1376:
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc failed

Re: cant get to desktop anymore

[Neal P. Murphy]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:57:58 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:

> On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada  > > wrote:
> >
> > hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help
> >
> > roberto
> > 438 881 9269 
> > all i get is ablack scren
> > even recory mode doesnt help
> >
> >
> > Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?
> >
> > What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?
> If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I bet a 
> donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way 
> ...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet.  Someone just shoot me. Ric
> 
> 

 will reach the X11 session. If it started. If not, it could be 
that a default xdm session (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc.) wasn't selected or a 
desktop 'task' wasn't installed.

Console #7 is the standard console used for X11. Console #1 is the default 
console when there is no default X11 session.

If Roberto gets only a black screen with nothing on it, he may have a problem 
with his video driver.

Re: page RELOAD by Firefox

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 19/09/16 10:21, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:

Is there a way to keep Firefox from automatically reloading this
particular web page?  Or am I misunderstanding what is happening here?


Some pages are automatically reloaded with the HTML meta refresh tag:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_refresh

For example, in :



If the page in question is refreshed with an HTML meta refresh tag, it 
might be possible to change this behaviour in Firefox by setting 
accessibility.blockautorefresh to true in about:config:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Accessibility.blockautorefresh

I have not tried this option, but it is documented.

Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: page RELOAD by Firefox

[Seeker]

On 9/18/2016 3:21 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:

My limited G4 data allocation is being depleted much too rapidly for my
budget.  I suspect that the culprit is the web page of a personal weather
station (PWS) in which page measurements are updated every ten minutes.  I
keep a Firefox window open to monitor the web page.


Is this web page on the PWS or out on the internet?
Is the PWS using the same data connection you are using to access the 
web page?

Is there advertising on this page?
If you do not leave the page open in a tab, does your data allocation 
still get rapidly depleted?


Maybe with more information someone will have an alternative suggestion.


I do not understand the mechanism, but every time I click on the window or
tab in which the PWS web page is displayed, I see the latest data, without
clicking the Firefox RELOAD button.  Thus, it appears to me that the PWS
web page somehow is notifying Firefox every time the web page is updated,
and that Firefox is automatically loading the update.

Is there a way to keep Firefox from automatically reloading this
particular web page?  Or am I misunderstanding what is happening here?

RLH



Another response already mentioned there are some add-ons related to 
refresh.


For a limited data connection you might also want to go through the list 
of plugins and change the settings for some of them to 'Ask to activate'.


If you have not already looked into them, maybe look into privacy 
badger, noscript, and some some kind of ad blocker.


Later, Seeker

Re: cant get to desktop anymore

[Ric Moore]

On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada mailto:bellcanada...@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help

roberto
438 881 9269 
all i get is ablack scren
even recory mode doesnt help


Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?

What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?
If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I bet a 
donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way 
...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet.  Someone just shoot me. Ric



--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: page RELOAD by Firefox

[Neal P. Murphy]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 17:21:57 -0500
rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:

> My limited G4 data allocation is being depleted much too rapidly for my
> budget.  I suspect that the culprit is the web page of a personal weather
> station (PWS) in which page measurements are updated every ten minutes.  I
> keep a Firefox window open to monitor the web page.
> 
> I do not understand the mechanism, but every time I click on the window or
> tab in which the PWS web page is displayed, I see the latest data, without
> clicking the Firefox RELOAD button.  Thus, it appears to me that the PWS
> web page somehow is notifying Firefox every time the web page is updated,
> and that Firefox is automatically loading the update.
> 
> Is there a way to keep Firefox from automatically reloading this
> particular web page?  Or am I misunderstanding what is happening here?

You could only open the page only when you wish to check the weather, then 
close it.

Some web pages run a JS script when loaded. That script then schedules itself 
to run asynchronously (in the background) every so often. It may be that the 
browser checks for updates/changes far more often than every 10 minutes.

Re: Laserjet p1109w - anyone got it working?

[Doug]

On 09/18/2016 06:10 PM, brian wrote:

My dear old Laserjet 5N finally having died, I bought an HP Laserjet
P1109w to replace it. I have managed to install it to the extent that
it's recognised (USB connection, not wireless) but the problem is that
it apparently needs a *proprietary* plug-in to print properly.

I have H-Ps installer, and everything goes OK up to the point at which
it goes to an unspecified H-P site to download the plug-in. The
installer then claims that the file it tried to download has an
invalid checksum and may have been modified, and that's it, the
program exits. Substantially the same thing happens if I use hp-plugin
outside of the installer, it just tells me that it can't download the
file due to an invalid checksum.

H-P support are as much use as a chocolate teapot, all they will do is
to point me back to the site where I can download the installer again.
I have tried to point out to them that it appears to be a corrupted
file on their website (if I believe the error message!) but it gets me
nowhere.

Anybody got any ideas before I package the printer up and send it back
to Amazon to exchange it for another brand? I'm using 64-bit testing,
should anyone feel that makes a difference.

Thanks,

Brian.


I think you are better off with a wifi router and a printer with an 
Ethernet connection. I have an HP LaserJet PPro M-201dw that works 
nicely with no problems.


--doug

Re: Laserjet p1109w - anyone got it working?

[Dan Ritter]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 06:58:53PM -0400, brian wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 17:30:01 -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, September 18, 2016 5:10 pm, brian wrote:
> >> My dear old Laserjet 5N finally having died, I bought an HP Laserjet
> >> P1109w to replace it. I have managed to install it to the extent that
> >> it's recognised (USB connection, not wireless) but the problem is that it
> >> apparently needs a *proprietary* plug-in to print properly.
> >>
> >> I have H-Ps installer, and everything goes OK up to the point at which
> >> it goes to an unspecified H-P site to download the plug-in.
> >
> >Installer?  Plug-in?  Are you using CUPS?  Is the P1109w not in the CUPS
> >menu?
> >
> 
> Yes, yes, yes, and yes it is, respectively. However, while the printer
> is *recognised* without the proprietary software, it will not *print*
> anything without the plugin. 
> 
> >I picked up a P3015 for $150; it runs perfectly under CUPS and is the best
> >printer I ever have used.  I am using the Ethernet interface.
> >
> 
> I suppose I could enable wireless on my router and try the wireless
> connection (I'm still all cabled here, it has no socket for an
> ethernet cable nor for a JetDirect card) but I don't think it's going
> to make any difference, it's not communicating with the printer which
> is the problem. My system recognised the printer without any problem
> whatsoever. 
> 
> However, if you look on H-Ps website, they state explicitly that some
> printers will require one of their plugins to print, and some will
> not. I guess they ought to know about their own printers. :) 
> 
> This printer was slightly more than half the price of yours ($79), but
> if I do have to return it and get a different model, I'll keep your
> recommendation in mind. 

Pick a Brother with BRScript3 (their version of PostScript), an
ethernet port, and a duplexing feature (model name will have a D
near the end). Should be in the $100-150 range.

You can run it under CUPS with no bizarre driver downloads,
though Brother will offer you one.

-dsr-

Re: Laserjet p1109w - anyone got it working?

[Dutch Ingraham]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 06:10:39PM -0400, brian wrote:
> Anybody got any ideas before I package the printer up and send it back
> to Amazon to exchange it for another brand? I'm using 64-bit testing,
> should anyone feel that makes a difference. 

I'm not a Luddite, but if you still can, I'd ship it back and go on
e-bay and pick up a used 4050/4100 or some such.  Similar to your 5N,
but a little newer.  Most importantly, speaks perfect PS and drivers are
no problem (just CUPS+Gutenprint).  Get the N version for network
connectivity, because otherwise will likely come only configured for
parallel, which might be a problem.  Should be in the $100-$135 range.
I've got over 6 copies on the ol' 4050N I've got.  If you've got the
cash, there are of course newer versions of pure postscript printers
available.

I got rid of my "modern" HP 1005p after sooo much frustration, needing
not just a driver and firmware, but something called a "hotplug" as 
well.  So glad I lucked into the 4050 dinosaur.

Re: Laserjet p1109w - anyone got it working?

[brian]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 17:30:01 -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:

>On Sun, September 18, 2016 5:10 pm, brian wrote:
>> My dear old Laserjet 5N finally having died, I bought an HP Laserjet
>> P1109w to replace it. I have managed to install it to the extent that
>> it's recognised (USB connection, not wireless) but the problem is that it
>> apparently needs a *proprietary* plug-in to print properly.
>>
>> I have H-Ps installer, and everything goes OK up to the point at which
>> it goes to an unspecified H-P site to download the plug-in.
>
>Installer?  Plug-in?  Are you using CUPS?  Is the P1109w not in the CUPS
>menu?
>

Yes, yes, yes, and yes it is, respectively. However, while the printer
is *recognised* without the proprietary software, it will not *print*
anything without the plugin. 

>I picked up a P3015 for $150; it runs perfectly under CUPS and is the best
>printer I ever have used.  I am using the Ethernet interface.
>

I suppose I could enable wireless on my router and try the wireless
connection (I'm still all cabled here, it has no socket for an
ethernet cable nor for a JetDirect card) but I don't think it's going
to make any difference, it's not communicating with the printer which
is the problem. My system recognised the printer without any problem
whatsoever. 

However, if you look on H-Ps website, they state explicitly that some
printers will require one of their plugins to print, and some will
not. I guess they ought to know about their own printers. :) 

This printer was slightly more than half the price of yours ($79), but
if I do have to return it and get a different model, I'll keep your
recommendation in mind. 

Brian. 

 

Re: page RELOAD by Firefox

[Terence Levings]

On Sep 18, 2016 18:22,  wrote:
>
> My limited G4 data allocation is being depleted much too rapidly for my
> budget.  I suspect that the culprit is the web page of a personal weather
> station (PWS) in which page measurements are updated every ten minutes.  I
> keep a Firefox window open to monitor the web page.
>
> I do not understand the mechanism, but every time I click on the window or
> tab in which the PWS web page is displayed, I see the latest data, without
> clicking the Firefox RELOAD button.  Thus, it appears to me that the PWS
> web page somehow is notifying Firefox every time the web page is updated,
> and that Firefox is automatically loading the update.
>
> Is there a way to keep Firefox from automatically reloading this
> particular web page?  Or am I misunderstanding what is happening here?
>
> RLH
>
>

Likely some scripts are running on the page and refreshing the content
periodically, many websites do this now.  There are plugins available that
can force stop the scripts on individual pages.

Re: Laserjet p1109w - anyone got it working?

[rlharris]

On Sun, September 18, 2016 5:10 pm, brian wrote:
> My dear old Laserjet 5N finally having died, I bought an HP Laserjet
> P1109w to replace it. I have managed to install it to the extent that
> it's recognised (USB connection, not wireless) but the problem is that it
> apparently needs a *proprietary* plug-in to print properly.
>
> I have H-Ps installer, and everything goes OK up to the point at which
> it goes to an unspecified H-P site to download the plug-in.

Installer?  Plug-in?  Are you using CUPS?  Is the P1109w not in the CUPS
menu?

I picked up a P3015 for $150; it runs perfectly under CUPS and is the best
printer I ever have used.  I am using the Ethernet interface.

RLH

page RELOAD by Firefox

[rlharris]

My limited G4 data allocation is being depleted much too rapidly for my
budget.  I suspect that the culprit is the web page of a personal weather
station (PWS) in which page measurements are updated every ten minutes.  I
keep a Firefox window open to monitor the web page.

I do not understand the mechanism, but every time I click on the window or
tab in which the PWS web page is displayed, I see the latest data, without
clicking the Firefox RELOAD button.  Thus, it appears to me that the PWS
web page somehow is notifying Firefox every time the web page is updated,
and that Firefox is automatically loading the update.

Is there a way to keep Firefox from automatically reloading this
particular web page?  Or am I misunderstanding what is happening here?

RLH

Laserjet p1109w - anyone got it working?

[brian]

My dear old Laserjet 5N finally having died, I bought an HP Laserjet
P1109w to replace it. I have managed to install it to the extent that
it's recognised (USB connection, not wireless) but the problem is that
it apparently needs a *proprietary* plug-in to print properly. 

I have H-Ps installer, and everything goes OK up to the point at which
it goes to an unspecified H-P site to download the plug-in. The
installer then claims that the file it tried to download has an
invalid checksum and may have been modified, and that's it, the
program exits. Substantially the same thing happens if I use hp-plugin
outside of the installer, it just tells me that it can't download the
file due to an invalid checksum. 

H-P support are as much use as a chocolate teapot, all they will do is
to point me back to the site where I can download the installer again.
I have tried to point out to them that it appears to be a corrupted
file on their website (if I believe the error message!) but it gets me
nowhere. 

Anybody got any ideas before I package the printer up and send it back
to Amazon to exchange it for another brand? I'm using 64-bit testing,
should anyone feel that makes a difference. 

Thanks, 

Brian. 

Re: cant get to desktop anymore

[Kent West]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada 
wrote:

> hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help
>
> roberto
> 438 881 9269
> all i get is ablack scren
> even recory mode doesnt help
>

Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?

What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?

-- 
Kent West<")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

Re: Sane issue

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 September 2016 19:18:33 Brian wrote:
> On Sun 18 Sep 2016 at 19:31:48 +0200, David Rotger wrote:
> > I've sane installed and running. Sane-find-scanner and scanimage -L
> > detect my scanner,
>
> That's good. Would you post the output of both these commands and also
> say what scanner (or multi-functional device) you have.
>
> > and the test works fine.
>
> What test are you talking about? Please give any command you used.
>
> >  But when I launch xsane they say
> > that can't find any device. With simple-scan I have the same problem.
>
> Strange. xsane uses the same information you have from sane-find-scanner
> and scanimage -L as far as I know.

The permissions are often wrong.  Make sure that your user is in the scanner 
group.

Test first whether this is the issue (permissions) by running XSane as root.  
It won't like it - but it will show you whether it is permissions that are 
the problem.

Lisi

SOLVED: Re: Bluetooth: impossible to send files from phone to computer

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 September 2016 17:05:41 Frédéric Mesplède wrote:
> 2016-09-13 23:21 GMT+02:00 deloptes :
> > Frédéric Mesplède wrote:
> >> I do not know how I am supposed to connect the phone to my computer...
> >> When I use gnome tool [ http://i66.tinypic.com/2912n89.png ] the
> >> switch instantly comes back to off position and I cannot turn it on...
> >
> > Use bluetoothctl to test these. I spent some time before I was able to
> > use bluetooth.
> > The problem with the transfer from phone to computer might be the way
> > your computer configuration looks like. The easy way to customize it is
> > bluetoothctl
> >
> > For transfering files you need obex ftp. I've never transferred from
> > phone to pc.
> >
> > regards
>
> Ok, so for some unexplained reason bluetooth works fine again... I
> installed obex ftp but I am not even sure that it solved my problem...
> I explored the parameters through bluetoothctl and suddenly bluetooth
> was working again. Thank you guys!
>
> By the way, I am new at mailing lists, how do you mark a thread as
> solved (just like in the forums)?

As above!  I have taken the liberty of doing it for you.

Lisi 

Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 September 2016 19:43:26 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 9/18/2016 12:18 PM, david...@freevolt.org wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> On Sunday 18 September 2016 02:05:42 Shervin Emami wrote:
> >>> At "www.debian.org" I clicked on "Getting Debian", and then to
> >>> get a net
> >>> install image there are 3 different pages that all have direct
> >>> links to the
> >>> ISO files, but no link at all about how to get the MD5sums.
> >>> Even the Verify
> >>> page doesn't show how to find the MD5sums. So I think it will
> >>> help many
> >>> users if there can be a link to the MD5sum file at these 4 pages:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.debian.org/distrib/
> >>> https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
> >>> https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
> >>> https://www.debian.org/CD/verify
> >>>
> >>> I was looking for amd64 netinstall but it seems the problem
> >>> exists for all
> >>> architectures and both for netinstall or CD. So adding a few
> >>> links could
> >>> help quite a few beginners!
> >>
> >> Not just beginners.  I too find it a nightmare, and sometimes
> >> give up.  If you
> >> look at the raw HTML you can extract the URL of the download
> >> directory and
> >> they are indeed there - it is finding the directory which is
> >> hard, because
> >> the link just says "click here" or something, and if you click
> >> it immediately
> >> begins downloading.  You never see the directory.
> >>
> >> One of the developers has raised this as a bug.
> >
> > Four things:
> >
> > 1. Can anyone provide a link to this bug report?
>
> *VERY IMPORTANT* !

Here is the discussion in the final email of the relevant discussion (with 
interleaved quotations!) which includes a reference to the bug report which I 
mentioned.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/03/msg01297.html

The bug report is:
http://bugs.debian.org/819664

Lisi

Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

[davidson]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 9/18/2016 12:18 PM, david...@freevolt.org wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote:


On Sunday 18 September 2016 02:05:42 Shervin Emami wrote:

At "www.debian.org" I clicked on "Getting Debian", and then to
get a net
install image there are 3 different pages that all have direct
links to the
ISO files, but no link at all about how to get the MD5sums.
Even the Verify
page doesn't show how to find the MD5sums. So I think it will
help many
users if there can be a link to the MD5sum file at these 4 pages:

https://www.debian.org/distrib/
https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

I was looking for amd64 netinstall but it seems the problem
exists for all
architectures and both for netinstall or CD. So adding a few
links could
help quite a few beginners!


Not just beginners.  I too find it a nightmare, and sometimes
give up.  If you
look at the raw HTML you can extract the URL of the download
directory and
they are indeed there - it is finding the directory which is
hard, because
the link just says "click here" or something, and if you click
it immediately
begins downloading.  You never see the directory.

One of the developers has raised this as a bug.


Four things:

1. Can anyone provide a link to this bug report?


*VERY IMPORTANT* !



2. If you view page source to figure out what url a link points
to, I suspect that either
  1) you find page source inherently  fascinating,


I am not Lisi, but I find that OFFENSIVE!


In my book, if what you read is always inoffensive then you are not
much of a reader.

It appears that I have managed to promote literacy without even
trying.


 or
2) your browser does not provide an easier method for obtaining that
information.

A web browser without a status line that displays the url pointed to
by the current link is like a car with an opaque windscreen. IMHO.


Who is target audience of the link?
 1. some GEEK
 2. Some John/Jane Q. Public who has *HEARD* that Linux > Windows?


I imagine the audience is some category that includes both (1) and
(2).

Quantitatively, I expect that the 2s significantly outnumber the 1s.

I confess that I suspect your question was rhetorical, that it was
meant to assert (2) as the correct answer, and that it is possible I
don't understand the point you are making here.

I halfway suspect that you have, somehow, read a different message
than the one I intended to write. Either that, or you are making a
joke, and it is one that has flown over my head. (If the latter case,
there is no need to explain the joke. Do not spoil anything, on my
behalf, for people with a better sense of humor.)


Firefox does not lack this feature. Neither does lynx (though lynx
must be set to "advanced" mode to enable it).

Are you sure your browser does not have a similar feature that
can be
enabled?


SEE question above.


Hrm. Are we on the same page?

I intended to 1) register my surprise that Lisi searches through page
source to find the url associated with a given link, and 2) mention
the existence of other ways to find (and use) that url, for the
possible benefit of whoever might have been unaware.

Casting about in the darkness, in case it was unclear to anybody: the
reason for my remarks about browser features was not to cast blame on
John/Jane Q. Public for difficulties they encounter should they fail
to use a web browser whose feature-set I have personally approved.

Also, if we are taking votes on whether the web site can be improved,
please mark me down as a "Yea".

Pop quiz!

Q: Is this what I meant? "Can't see what location this link points to?
HAR HAR! Get a better browser, you dummy!"

A: No.


4. This thread prompted me look up how one can contribute to
Debian's
web pages. It looks like interested parties can begin here:

  "Helping with the Debian web pages"
  https://www.debian.org/devel/website/



Did you know Debian has a "wiki".


This looks like another rhetorical question, whose apparent content I
might have thought both uncontroversial and unremarkable, and whose
pertinence and intent is unclear to me.

I must seem very obtuse.

--
  Elly May, this is Wiggy and Shaky, and that's Horace, the great
  poet, thinker, and philosopher.

The Beverly Hillbillies - season 3 episode 27 "Big Daddy Jed"
http://mreplay.com/transcript/the_beverly_hillbillies-(big_daddy,_jed)/4692/TVLANDP/Wednesday_October_15_2014/762166/

cant get to desktop anymore

[bell canada]

hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help

roberto
438 881 9269
all i get is ablack scren
even recory mode doesnt help

problem mouse copy/past from PDF

[Haines Brown]

I've begun to experience problems using the mouse to select a passage in
a PDF displayed with xpdf 3.03-10 in order to paste it elsewhere.

The ends of lines are truncated to varying degrees. For example in a
PDF with this:

  123456789
  123456789
  1234567

The past might look like

  12345678
  1234567
  123456
  
Evince apparently does not support selecting text for copying. This does
not happen on other machines.

How do I troubleshoot?

Haines Brown

Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

[Francesco Ariis]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 07:26:59PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> May I suggest lmgtfy.com ? [Other, equally good and useful search
> engines are also available at other web locations.]
> 
> "Debian CD md5 sum" gives you these as the first two links if you
> look for them.

OP is not complaining that they are not there, but that from the
site they are not well advertised/difficult to reach.

"Debian the universal operating system with plenty of
passive-aggressive people" doesn't make a good slogan.

Replaygain, alternatives to Easymp3gain-gtk/-qt.

[Seeker]

Initially looked into the replaygain stuff in 2008. Don't remember what 
all was
available at the time. Remember that I looked into Sounkoverter and 
easymp3gain-gtk.

More recently have preferred easymp3gain-qt.

I'm running unstable, investigating why esaymp3gain-gtk/-qt are showing 
up in the obsolete
software list, it was removed by request. Aacgain handles MP3 files so 
that fact that
easymp3gain was removed some time ago is a non-issue, dead upstream, no 
activity since

2013 on the other hand is a big issue.

Short term I am content to keep the software installed and continue 
using it while I
investigate alternatives, but there are always the questions of 'How 
long do I really want to
keep dead software on my system' and 'How long will the software 
continue to work'.


So I am wondering what other people are using and what do you like about 
it.


One of the things I like about easymp3gain-qt is the always visible 
listing of individual tracks
that have been added and what track and album gain has been applied to 
each track. Having
that kind of file listing is a lesser issue, would like a drag and drop 
solution.


 I'm getting ready to look at qtgain.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtgain/

The snapshot makes it look kind of minimalistic as far as information it 
displays.


Current process when I get a new CD.

RIP with Soundjuicer, drag and drop from a filemanager to easymp3-qt to 
add the replaygain
tags, browse into the album directory if not already there, select the 
music files and use the
file managers 'open with' function to open in Musicbrainz Picard to pull 
in more complete tag

information and rename the files to '[track #] [track title].

Musicbrainz Picard does have a plug-in for replaygain, but I was not 
real happy with the way
it works, seemed a little quirky but some of that may have been whatever 
updates were

happening in unstable at the time when I looked at it.

Later, Seeker

Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 01:43:26PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 9/18/2016 12:18 PM, david...@freevolt.org wrote:
> >On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >
> >>On Sunday 18 September 2016 02:05:42 Shervin Emami wrote:
> >>>At "www.debian.org" I clicked on "Getting Debian", and then to
> >>>get a net
> >>>install image there are 3 different pages that all have direct
> >>>links to the
> >>>ISO files, but no link at all about how to get the MD5sums.
> >>>Even the Verify
> >>>page doesn't show how to find the MD5sums. So I think it will
> >>>help many
> >>>users if there can be a link to the MD5sum file at these 4 pages:
> >>>
> >>>https://www.debian.org/distrib/
> >>>https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
> >>>https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
> >>>https://www.debian.org/CD/verify
> >>>
> >>>I was looking for amd64 netinstall but it seems the problem
> >>>exists for all
> >>>architectures and both for netinstall or CD. So adding a few
> >>>links could
> >>>help quite a few beginners!
> >>
> 
For example:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/

has a full list of MD5 sums and all other hashes at the top level
- and the signed hashes of those.

www.debian.org/CD/verify explicitly mentions this.

> 

May I suggest lmgtfy.com ? [Other, equally good and useful search
engines are also available at other web locations.]

"Debian CD md5 sum" gives you these as the first two links if you
look for them.

Hope this helps,

All the very best,

Andy C

Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

[davidson]

TLDR: links to pertinent bug reports:

#381555 - http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ : add link to iso md5 cheksum
 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=381555

#640054 - Download pages should have prominent links to image verification 
instructions
 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640054

#612116 - www.debian.org: /CD/ should now redirect to the new /distrib/
 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612116

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, david...@freevolt.org wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote:


On Sunday 18 September 2016 02:05:42 Shervin Emami wrote:

At "www.debian.org" I clicked on "Getting Debian", and then to get a net
install image there are 3 different pages that all have direct links to 
the
ISO files, but no link at all about how to get the MD5sums. Even the 
Verify

page doesn't show how to find the MD5sums. So I think it will help many
users if there can be a link to the MD5sum file at these 4 pages:

https://www.debian.org/distrib/
https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

I was looking for amd64 netinstall but it seems the problem exists for all
architectures and both for netinstall or CD. So adding a few links could
help quite a few beginners!


Not just beginners.  I too find it a nightmare, and sometimes give up.  If 
you

look at the raw HTML you can extract the URL of the download directory and
they are indeed there - it is finding the directory which is hard, because
the link just says "click here" or something, and if you click it 
immediately

begins downloading.  You never see the directory.

One of the developers has raised this as a bug.


Four things:

1. Can anyone provide a link to this bug report?


Having done some browsing at

 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=www.debian.org

the following three bug reports all pertain to this thread, one way or
another:

#381555 - http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ : add link to iso md5 cheksum
 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=381555

#640054 - Download pages should have prominent links to image verification 
instructions
 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640054

#612116 - www.debian.org: /CD/ should now redirect to the new /distrib/
 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612116

My guess is that the first of these is what Lisi referred to.

Interestingly, if I am reading the thread under #381555 correctly*,
three years ago someone submitted a patch for the page located here

 www.debian.org/CD/netinst

that addressed the issue of where to find checksums associated with
the linked iso files,

 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=381555#17

but the patch, as submitted, required some edits,

 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=381555#24

and AFAICT the page that was to be patched (namely, CD/netinst)
remains unpatched. (So, I guess, the patch slipped through a
do-acratic crack and never got edited?)

Currently that same CD/netinst page does link to the CD FAQ (so
called). And that FAQ page, in turn, contains an answer

 www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify

which someone encountering the OP's difficulty would likely consult.

Unfortunately that particular answer also fails to provide hints about
where to obtain the appropriate checksum files.

* Bug threads being a genre that taxes my reading comprehension, for
  some reason.

--
NetHack advises:

Talking to yourself is a bad habit for a dungeoneer.

Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

[Richard Owlett]

On 9/18/2016 12:18 PM, david...@freevolt.org wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote:


On Sunday 18 September 2016 02:05:42 Shervin Emami wrote:

At "www.debian.org" I clicked on "Getting Debian", and then to
get a net
install image there are 3 different pages that all have direct
links to the
ISO files, but no link at all about how to get the MD5sums.
Even the Verify
page doesn't show how to find the MD5sums. So I think it will
help many
users if there can be a link to the MD5sum file at these 4 pages:

https://www.debian.org/distrib/
https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

I was looking for amd64 netinstall but it seems the problem
exists for all
architectures and both for netinstall or CD. So adding a few
links could
help quite a few beginners!


Not just beginners.  I too find it a nightmare, and sometimes
give up.  If you
look at the raw HTML you can extract the URL of the download
directory and
they are indeed there - it is finding the directory which is
hard, because
the link just says "click here" or something, and if you click
it immediately
begins downloading.  You never see the directory.

One of the developers has raised this as a bug.


Four things:

1. Can anyone provide a link to this bug report?


*VERY IMPORTANT* !



2. If you view page source to figure out what url a link points
to, I suspect that either
  1) you find page source inherently  fascinating,


I am not Lisi, but I find that OFFENSIVE!


 or
2) your browser does not provide an easier method for obtaining that
information.

A web browser without a status line that displays the url pointed to
by the current link is like a car with an opaque windscreen. IMHO.


Who is target audience of the link?
  1. some GEEK
  2. Some John/Jane Q. Public who has *HEARD* that Linux > Windows?



Firefox does not lack this feature. Neither does lynx (though lynx
must be set to "advanced" mode to enable it).

Are you sure your browser does not have a similar feature that
can be
enabled?


SEE question above.



3. What web browser does not enable editing the current link?

In firefox, one can right-click on a link, select "Copy link
location"
from a menu, and then paste the link into the location bar for
editing. It is easier in lynx, where one simply hits 'E' (or
whatever
key is bound to the command :ELGOTO) to edit a link.


SEE above.



4. This thread prompted me look up how one can contribute to
Debian's
web pages. It looks like interested parties can begin here:

  "Helping with the Debian web pages"
  https://www.debian.org/devel/website/



Did you know Debian has a "wiki".

Re: Sane issue

[Brian]

On Sun 18 Sep 2016 at 19:31:48 +0200, David Rotger wrote:

> I've sane installed and running. Sane-find-scanner and scanimage -L detect
> my scanner,

That's good. Would you post the output of both these commands and also
say what scanner (or multi-functional device) you have.

> and the test works fine.

What test are you talking about? Please give any command you used.

>  But when I launch xsane they say that
> can't find any device. With simple-scan I have the same problem.

Strange. xsane uses the same information you have from sane-find-scanner
and scanimage -L as far as I know.

-- 
Brian.

Sane issue

[David Rotger]

Hi,

I've sane installed and running. Sane-find-scanner and scanimage -L detect
my scanner, and the test works fine. But when I launch xsane they say that
can't find any device. With simple-scan I have the same problem.

Any idea??

Thanks.

Re: Sound on Jessie

[Brian]

On Sun 18 Sep 2016 at 12:55:13 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 18 September 2016 11:13:03 Brian wrote:
> > > Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-09-17 11:56 (UTC+0100):
> > > >Alan McConnell wrote:
> > > >>Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!
> > > >
> > > >Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if
> > > >everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are
> > > >indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?
> > >
> > > I sense Alan expects everyone here has read and remembers every post he
> > > has written. He told us his, though indirectly:
> > >
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00296.html
> > >
> > > Synopsis:
> > > Wheezy was on old puter, with mature hardware supported by FOSS.
> > > Jessie is on new (unspecified model) Dell (with Win10), with unknown
> > > hardware with unknown FOSS support.
> >
> > Contrasting the behaviour of machine A with machine B (worked on my old
> > machine, works fine with Windows etc) and indulging in nostalgia is only
> > of passing interest when the objective is to get an aspect of machine A
> > to function. If is like telling a doctor you ran a marathon every week
> > twenty years ago when the present issue is having two broken legs.
> 
> Yes.  Someone had referred to upgrading and I mistakenly followed it.  My 
> memory isn't up to yours or his.  Mea culpa.  I have elsewhere asked whether 
> the chip was a Skylake.  That can cause problems with Jessie (sound was one 
> of them).  Been there.  Done that.  Got the very bloody tee-shirt.  I did,

I don't believe we know the make and model (Dell?) being used; it could
be a factor in forming a solution. Who knows? (Rhetorical, we all know
who knows). Add it to to the list of hoarded useful information.

I recollect your tussle with a Skylake machine. You were your usual
informative self and co-operated with the troubleshooting process; wear
the tee-shirt with pride. :) We have more tee-shirts to hand out but
a quality claimant in this thread looks less and less likely.

> elsewhere in the thread, ask why he didn't use something other than Jessie, 
> which might suit better.  I was actually thinking of Stretch or Mint.  (I 
> woudl use Stretch. ;-)  )  But any more modern distro might get on better 
> with what may be very modern (certainly fairly recent) hardware.

Jessie isn't that old (2015) but things do move on, so when there a
hardware problem (and we do not know that in this case) stable/testing
is a good jumping off point.
 
> (Why didn't I use Stretch, instead of Skylake with Jessie?  It wasn't my  
> computer, and would have involved using either another DE or not-yet-ready 
> software.)

Lucky you, being able to play with machines of others. I only have the
opportunity to muck up my own.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

[davidson]

Clarifying edits ("link" => "link's url") in square brackets, below.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, david...@freevolt.org meant to write:

3. What web browser does not enable editing the current link['s url]?

In firefox, one can right-click on a link, select "Copy link location"
from a menu, and then paste the link['s url] into the location bar for
editing. It is easier in lynx, where one simply hits 'E' (or whatever
key is bound to the command :ELGOTO) to edit a link['s url].

Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

[davidson]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote:


On Sunday 18 September 2016 02:05:42 Shervin Emami wrote:

At "www.debian.org" I clicked on "Getting Debian", and then to get a net
install image there are 3 different pages that all have direct links to the
ISO files, but no link at all about how to get the MD5sums. Even the Verify
page doesn't show how to find the MD5sums. So I think it will help many
users if there can be a link to the MD5sum file at these 4 pages:

https://www.debian.org/distrib/
https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

I was looking for amd64 netinstall but it seems the problem exists for all
architectures and both for netinstall or CD. So adding a few links could
help quite a few beginners!


Not just beginners.  I too find it a nightmare, and sometimes give up.  If you
look at the raw HTML you can extract the URL of the download directory and
they are indeed there - it is finding the directory which is hard, because
the link just says "click here" or something, and if you click it immediately
begins downloading.  You never see the directory.

One of the developers has raised this as a bug.


Four things:

1. Can anyone provide a link to this bug report?

2. If you view page source to figure out what url a link points to, I
suspect that either 1) you find page source inherently fascinating, or
2) your browser does not provide an easier method for obtaining that
information.

A web browser without a status line that displays the url pointed to
by the current link is like a car with an opaque windscreen. IMHO.

Firefox does not lack this feature. Neither does lynx (though lynx
must be set to "advanced" mode to enable it).

Are you sure your browser does not have a similar feature that can be
enabled?

3. What web browser does not enable editing the current link?

In firefox, one can right-click on a link, select "Copy link location"
from a menu, and then paste the link into the location bar for
editing. It is easier in lynx, where one simply hits 'E' (or whatever
key is bound to the command :ELGOTO) to edit a link.

4. This thread prompted me look up how one can contribute to debian's
web pages. It looks like interested parties can begin here:

 "Helping with the Debian web pages"
 https://www.debian.org/devel/website/

--
# Orpheus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

  Orpheus had a brother named Linus who went to Thebes and became a
  Theban. He is claimed by Aristophanes and Horace to have taught
  cannibals to subsist on fruit, and to have made lions and tigers
  obedient to him. Horace believed however, that Orpheus only
  introduced order and civilization to savages.

Re: How to permanently change default sound input source?

[Frédéric Mesplède]

2016-09-05 21:21 GMT+02:00 didier gaumet :
>
> 1) pacmd modifies only a running instance of pulseaudio: all is lost
> when pulseaudio stops
> 2) to alter permanently the default source input in pulseaudio, you may
> edit your client config' file (cf man pulse-client.conf)
> 3) mate-media depends either on mate-media-gstreamer or
> mate-media-pulse: if the former is installed, install
> gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio and gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio in order for the
> mate sound control to manage pulseaudio
> 4) I do not know the mate sound applet, but judging by the xfce applet I
> use, you probably have to select pulseaudio instead of alsa in its
> config dialog
>
>

mate-media depends on mate-media-pulse, so I installed
gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio and gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio. I edited
/etc/pulse/client.conf and /etc/pulse/default.pa with my usb camera
microphone as default audio source and it worked!

Thank you for your help!

Re: Bluetooth: impossible to send files from phone to computer

[Frédéric Mesplède]

2016-09-13 23:21 GMT+02:00 deloptes :
> Frédéric Mesplède wrote:
>
>> I do not know how I am supposed to connect the phone to my computer...
>> When I use gnome tool [ http://i66.tinypic.com/2912n89.png ] the
>> switch instantly comes back to off position and I cannot turn it on...
>
> Use bluetoothctl to test these. I spent some time before I was able to use
> bluetooth.
> The problem with the transfer from phone to computer might be the way your
> computer configuration looks like. The easy way to customize it is
> bluetoothctl
>
> For transfering files you need obex ftp. I've never transferred from phone
> to pc.
>
> regards
>

Ok, so for some unexplained reason bluetooth works fine again... I
installed obex ftp but I am not even sure that it solved my problem...
I explored the parameters through bluetoothctl and suddenly bluetooth
was working again. Thank you guys!

By the way, I am new at mailing lists, how do you mark a thread as
solved (just like in the forums)?

Re: xaralx package

[Frank]

Op 18-09-16 om 16:16 schreef Michael Fothergill:

I tried using gdebi to install xaralx deb file.  The error I get seems
to suggest I need a newer version of the libjpeg package than I
currently have..

See here:​

root@rhinoceros:/home/mikef/Documents/xaralx# gdebi
xaralx_0.7r1785-7_amd64.deb
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Building data structures... Done
Building data structures... Done
This package is uninstallable
Dependency is not satisfiable: libjpeg8 (>= 8c)

​I am a bit puzzled here  If this version of xaralx was abandoned in
2014 surely gdebi would be asking me to install older versions of
dependent packages rather then bang up to date ones?​


The libjpeg8 package has been in and out of Testing several times since 
early 2015. It was removed just before Jessie went stable, so it ended 
up missing: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libjpeg8


My current Testing setup started years ago, so the last/latest version 
of that package (8d1-2) is still installed. It doesn't cause any 
problems here. I'm not sure exactly why it was removed from Testing (no 
time to investigate at present - sorry), but it could have something to 
do with libjpeg/libjpeg-turbo conflicts.


You could pick it up from the snapshot archive as well and try to 
install it manually 
(http://snapshot.debian.org/package/libjpeg8/8d1-2/#libjpeg8_8d1-2). 
Don't proceed if doing that causes lots of other packages to be removed, 
though.


Regards,
Frank

random I/O errors

[Tony Baldwin]

Yesterday I was getting random I/O errors for stuff as simple as clear 
(to clear a terminal),
and I got one for halt, even (I manually shut the machine off, and 
rebooted) haven't seen the problem since then but things are sluggish 
and weird.

Is this a warning I should heed?
This is on a brand new (3 days) Jessie (8.5) install on an hdd that 
previously had a Win7 installation and a large storage partition which I 
was having difficulty mounting on another jessie install on another hdd 
in this same machine.
I put /home on it's own partition and rsynced the /home from the other 
jessie install, and now that one (the older one) won't boot without 
going to emergency mode and fscking the disk (haven't even begun to 
diagnose that,but I'm beginning to worry that both hdds are either done, 
or about to be.


tia,
Tony

--
http://tonybaldwin.me
all tony, all the time

Re: xaralx package

[Michael Fothergill]

On 15 September 2016 at 19:23, Michael Fothergill <
michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 15 Sep 2016 19:08, "Frank"  wrote:
> >
> > Op 15-09-16 om 19:32 schreef Michael Fothergill:
> >>
> >> On 15 Sep 2016 18:17, "Frank"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That's 'only' from March 2014. Haven't tried working with it, though.
> >>> So no idea if you can use it on current Debian (it does install and
> open
> >>> on this Testing box).
> >>
> >>
> >> So does that mean that I could do
> >>
> >> dpkg - i on the three deb files you found there and xaraxl might
> >> actually run after all..
> >> ???
> >
> >
> > In theory. Actually, I used GDebi to install. That takes care of any
> dependencies your system might not have yet.
>


> So if I copied the deb files into a directory   I could then run gdebi and
> it would sniff out e.g. the executable and library files and do its best to
> add on the correct dependencies etc..
>
> ?
>
> I will have a go.
>
> Regds
>
> MF
> .
>
> >
> > And of course, the fact it runs/opens initially doesn't mean it won't
> crash at a later stage. I believe there were some issues with the newer
> version of one of its dependencies.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Frank
>
> ​Dear All,

I tried using gdebi to install xaralx deb file.  The error I get seems to
suggest I need a newer version of the libjpeg package than I currently
have..

See here:​


root@rhinoceros:/home/mikef/Documents/xaralx# gdebi
xaralx_0.7r1785-7_amd64.deb
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Building data structures... Done
Building data structures... Done
This package is uninstallable
Dependency is not satisfiable: libjpeg8 (>= 8c)


​I am a bit puzzled here  If this version of xaralx was abandoned in
2014 surely gdebi would be asking me to install older versions of dependent
packages rather then bang up to date ones?​


​I am running Debian Jessie (amd64 version on a Kaveri box).

Comments appreciated.

Regards

MF

​

Re: Sound on jessie

[Alan McConnell]

- Original Message -
From: "Lisi Reisz" 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 5:56:13 PM
Subject: Re: Sound on jessie

On Saturday 17 September 2016 14:43:04 Alan McConnell wrote:
> Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!

Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if 
everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are 
indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?
   Lisi, as you must know, Debian moves on; eventually Stable becomes
   Old-stable, and after a while support, especially security support
   disappears.  I have been using Debian at least since Sarge.  I forget
   the different Toy Story names(potato, squeeze. etc), but I eventually
   went to wheezy, which is now very old.  I have never had trouble
   moving from one Debian to the next.  Until now.  jessie has given
   me immense trouble, vastly more than any other installation.  Knowing
   what I know now: perhaps I should have stayed with wheezy until
   stretch became stable.

   I hope that answers your question.  I don't think the above answer helps
   you, or anyone else, to solve my problems(the one remaining one, after
   all this time and effort, is _sound_/alsa).  But I am trying to be
   cooperative.

   In another related post you ask:
By what method did you try and what reason have you to think that it is
already installed?
   You are referring to alsa.  My answer: I have alsa-utils in my
   /etc/init.d/, and I have looked at this script.  I get no complaint
   from it upon booting.

Best wishes,

Alan

Re: Sound on jessie

[Curt]

On 2016-09-17, deloptes  wrote:
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
>> He keeps saying that he is using Jessie.  Why do you think he is using
>> Ubuntu?
> Sorry I seem to have misread something.
>

Easy to do in these protracted, tangential, niggling threads that
devolve into acrimony and invidiousness before expiring in a liminal
whimper.

-- 
“It is enough that the arrows fit exactly in the wounds that they have made.”
Franz Kafka

Re: Sound on Jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 September 2016 11:13:03 Brian wrote:
> > Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-09-17 11:56 (UTC+0100):
> > >Alan McConnell wrote:
> > >>Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!
> > >
> > >Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if
> > >everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are
> > >indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?
> >
> > I sense Alan expects everyone here has read and remembers every post he
> > has written. He told us his, though indirectly:
> >
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00296.html
> >
> > Synopsis:
> > Wheezy was on old puter, with mature hardware supported by FOSS.
> > Jessie is on new (unspecified model) Dell (with Win10), with unknown
> > hardware with unknown FOSS support.
>
> Contrasting the behaviour of machine A with machine B (worked on my old
> machine, works fine with Windows etc) and indulging in nostalgia is only
> of passing interest when the objective is to get an aspect of machine A
> to function. If is like telling a doctor you ran a marathon every week
> twenty years ago when the present issue is having two broken legs.

Yes.  Someone had referred to upgrading and I mistakenly followed it.  My 
memory isn't up to yours or his.  Mea culpa.  I have elsewhere asked whether 
the chip was a Skylake.  That can cause problems with Jessie (sound was one 
of them).  Been there.  Done that.  Got the very bloody tee-shirt.  I did, 
elsewhere in the thread, ask why he didn't use something other than Jessie, 
which might suit better.  I was actually thinking of Stretch or Mint.  (I 
woudl use Stretch. ;-)  )  But any more modern distro might get on better 
with what may be very modern (certainly fairly recent) hardware.

(Why didn't I use Stretch, instead of Skylake with Jessie?  It wasn't my  
computer, and would have involved using either another DE or not-yet-ready 
software.)

Lisi

Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 September 2016 02:05:42 Shervin Emami wrote:
> At "www.debian.org" I clicked on "Getting Debian", and then to get a net
> install image there are 3 different pages that all have direct links to the
> ISO files, but no link at all about how to get the MD5sums. Even the Verify
> page doesn't show how to find the MD5sums. So I think it will help many
> users if there can be a link to the MD5sum file at these 4 pages:
>
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
> https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
> https://www.debian.org/CD/verify
>
> I was looking for amd64 netinstall but it seems the problem exists for all
> architectures and both for netinstall or CD. So adding a few links could
> help quite a few beginners!

Not just beginners.  I too find it a nightmare, and sometimes give up.  If you 
look at the raw HTML you can extract the URL of the download directory and 
they are indeed there - it is finding the directory which is hard, because 
the link just says "click here" or something, and if you click it immediately 
begins downloading.  You never see the directory.

One of the developers has raised this as a bug.

Lisi
>
>
> Cheers,
> Shervin Emami.
> http://www.shervinemami.info/Robotics_Engineer.html
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:39 AM, der.hans  wrote:
> > Am 18. Sep, 2016 schwätzte Shervin Emami so:
> >
> > moin moin Shervin,
> >
> > Which specific ISO were you downloading? Where did you get the link to
> > the image?
> >
> > The main download site does have checksum files right alongside the ISO
> > images.
> >
> > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/
> >
> > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS
> >
> > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debia
> > n-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso
> >
> > The BitTorrent page also shows various checksums.
> >
> > BTW, if you want to verify the image, then use the sha512 checksums
> > instead as md5 is not cryptographically secure. Also verify the gpg
> > signatures.
> >
> > I notice the network install page for small CDs links directly to the
> > ISOs rather than to the download directory. The checksums are in the
> > directory that holds the ISOs.
> >
> > https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd
> >
> > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debia
> > n-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
> >
> > I'm not certain what the tiny CDs and network boot sections are linking
> > to, but there are at least checksum files.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >> I've been using Debian for about 6 years now, but today I went to
> >> download Debian Jessie from the "debian.org" website and realized there
> >> doesn't seem
> >> to be any link on any of the pages to show what the MD5 checksum is of
> >> the Debian installation CDs! I looked through many of the official
> >> Debian webpages about downloading ISOs that all talk about verifying
> >> your MD5sum but they don't show what the correct checksums are! I
> >> eventually found the link on a StackExchange page, and even when
> >> searching the URL on Google, it
> >> doesn't show up on the debian site at all! (
> >> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22http%3A%2F%2Fcdimage.debian.org%2Fde
> >> bian-cd%2Fcurrent%2Famd64%2Fiso-cd%2FMD5SUMS%22).
> >> Several people have posted the URL on this mailing list in previous
> >> years, but surely there's a more beginner-friendly way, such as posting
> >> a link to the MD5SUMS file right next to the links to download the ISO
> >> files.
> >>
> >> Am I just not noticing the obvious link, or does the Debian website
> >> really not give the info about how to verify checksums?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Shervin Emami.
> >> http://www.shervinemami.info/Robotics_Engineer.html
> >
> > --
> > #  http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.PhxLinux.org/
> > #  Two roads diverged in a wood, and I --
> > #  I took the one less traveled by,
> > #  And that has made all the difference. -- Robert Frost
> > #  I, OTOH, prefer to just go stomping through the desert... - der.hans

Re: Sound on Jessie

[Brian]

On Sat 17 Sep 2016 at 20:10:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-09-17 11:56 (UTC+0100):
> 
> >Alan McConnell wrote:
> 
> >>Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!
> 
> >Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if
> >everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are
> >indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?
> 
> I sense Alan expects everyone here has read and remembers every post he has
> written. He told us his, though indirectly:
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00296.html
> 
> Synopsis:
> Wheezy was on old puter, with mature hardware supported by FOSS.
> Jessie is on new (unspecified model) Dell (with Win10), with unknown
> hardware with unknown FOSS support.

Contrasting the behaviour of machine A with machine B (worked on my old
machine, works fine with Windows etc) and indulging in nostalgia is only
of passing interest when the objective is to get an aspect of machine A
to function. If is like telling a doctor you ran a marathon every week
twenty years ago when the present issue is having two broken legs.

> New puter's design date is *probably* newer than Jessie, which would mean
> problems can be *expected*, because he's not tried an OS that's newer than
> his puter, such as Stretch.
> 
> Win10 works without problems because Dell made sure of it. Dell didn't do
> that with Jessie or any other Debian, and probably with no other Linux
> either.

Information about the audio card can be extracted from the output of
'lspci -v'. It could even be publicised here as an a aid to diagnosis.

ALSA is built into the kernel so it is fruitless expecting to find
packages to install it. However 'lsmod | grep snd' would be useful for
people to see.

> If Alan wants serious help, he needs to stop keeping his hardware info
> secret. Ordinarily I would expect he could share the copious output provided
> by alsa-info.sh, but it seems to be absent from Jessie, so he would need to
> find it elsewhere in order to run it, e.g.:
> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a59c5f2edf8a61119a94d34a5d8afc13703f0b71

Pulseaudio is sometimes thought to be the culprit in audio issues. It
can be taken out of the picture with 'apt-get purge pulseaudio'
(reinstatement is easy) and any other sound-related packages installed
in an endeavour to solve the problem also purged.

Besides the nature of the hardware a bunch of users would be interested
in its capabilities. 'aplay -L' and 'amixer' would go some way to
satisfying their curiosity.

Meanwhile, the device might spring into life and consequently the four
outputs of interest would not be needed.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Boot Debian via PXE without Internet connection

[Valerio]

Hi all,

I solved the issue by adding

d-i debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated  string true

to the preseed file.

best,
Valerio

Il 18/09/2016 02:03, Valerio ha scritto:
> Hi,
> 
> thanks for your feedback.
> I managed to successfully to boot the .iso via memdisk but now the
> problem is that i cannot preseed the installation as the machine boots.
> 
> I have two options:
> - either I hack the iso and set a default preseed
> - I backtrack and use the netinst installation by preseeding a local apt
> repository.
> 
> 
> To this regard, i used build-simple-cdd --do-mirror command on the pxe
> server in order to let the pxe client load packages from that
> repository. The problem is that in tmp/mirror/dists/jessie/ there is the
> file Release but not Release.gpg.
> Now when the debian-installer looks fro this file it blocks the client
> installation.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> best reagrds,
> Valerio
> 
> Il 17/09/2016 20:28, Thomas Schmitt ha scritto:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Valerio wrote:
>>> suppose that on my PXE server I havedebian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso, [...]
>>> More generally, suppose I create my own iso (with build-simple-cdd), how
>>> can I install it via PXE?
>>
>> I guess this is what you need:
>>   http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=MEMDISK
>> (I never tested it but only know it from hearsay.)
>>
>> It says that a isohybrid ISO can be used in both roles, as "APPEND iso"
>> and as "APPEND harddisk". So you have two shots.
>>
>>
>> Have a nice day :)
>>
>> Thomas
>>

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:41:30 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> On 09/15/2016 09:58 AM, Joe wrote:

> >>  
> >
> > Synaptic still broken on Sid for me, fully upgraded except for a few
> > packages which won't.  
> 
> Hi Joe, why not use both testing and sid repos and get a full
> upgrade, both my Sid systems are full upgraded with me using both
> repos.  Good luck!

On my desktop sid/xfce4 machine, I do a full upgrade pretty much every
day, apart from any buggy or uninstallable packages, of which I
currently have five.

I don't actually use Synaptic much, generally for poking around when a
lot of packages won't upgrade, to find the ones which will. It runs for
a few mouse actions, then dies and needs a kill -9 to remove the
process. Sometimes it will run long enough to do an upgrade, which
works fine. Aptitude and apt-get are both working reliably.

I also usually have trouble booting from the current 4.7 kernel, so I'm
mostly using 4.6. Whether the problems are related, I don't know. I
can't find any smoking guns anywhere. I'm not aware of any other
software which isn't working. I run PCB with the GTK interface, which
is a fairly complex and demanding beast, and it doesn't seem to have any
trouble.

I've reported the Synaptic problem, which is fairly repeatable, but not
the kernel one as I get wildly differing screen messages at the time of
the crash, which suggests the fundamental fault isn't related to any of
them. I can find no clues at all about that.

-- 
Joe