date:20180811

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: Bill 
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 9:02 AM
To: Debian User ML
Cc: bi...@uniserve.com
Subject: SystemD problem with launching a server

Hi,

So I'd like to run rinetd at boot time on Stretch along with sshd.

I've no problem running rinetd manually using /usr/sbin/rinetd
or in a script using the same command. ps aux |grep rinetd shows it's
running and it works as expected.

So I've written a service file for systemd,
/etc/systemd/system/rinetd.service and enabled it with systemctl enable
/etc/systemd/system/rinetd.service. At boot time the file gets run but
nothing shows up with ps aux, although sshd is running correctly. I
think the problem is with the systemd file. Here's the rinetd.service file:

# /etc/systemd/system/rinetd.service
# A systemd.service file to start
# /usr/sbin/rinetd at boot time.

[Unit]
Description=Start rinetd server
After=multi-user.target network.target sshd.service

[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/rinetd
Restart=no

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

Any clues? Is this file too sparse? Or am I pining for the fjords?

Bill

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Re: non-blocking stdin from bash

2018-08-11 Thread Jim Popovitch

On Sun, 2018-08-12 at 00:48 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 06:08:34PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > Hello!
> > 
> > What's the best way to grab anything that's in stdin into a
> > variable
> > inside a bash script, but won't block if stdin is null?
> 
> I think read is your friend (at least in bash). It has an option
> -t , which you can set to zero, for it to just grab what's
> available at the moment without waiting (cf "help read" while in
> the bash for more details, like setting a delimiter, etc.)
> 
> HTH
> -- tomás

Thanks for the reply tomás.  I'm trying to avoid using read because of
the 1 sec minimum timeout.  This may seem odd, but 1 sec is 100+ times
longer than grep'ing/awk'ing/sed'ing the contents of a variable, so I'm
trying to find a faster way to read stdin.  

-Jim P.

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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2018 #747

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From: debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org 

Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 4:38 AM
To: debian-user-dig...@lists.debian.org
Subject: debian-user-digest Digest V2018 #747

Re: Kernel 4.9.0-7-686 Installed RAM vs. uabale RAM

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From: basti 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 10:53 PM
To: Debian.org
Subject: Kernel 4.9.0-7-686 Installed RAM vs. uabale RAM

Hello, I have a system with Kernel 4.9.0-7-686, installed RAM are 3x 1GB
but free -m only show 2GB.

Whats wrong here?

# free -m
  totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache
available
Mem:   2018 2031204  25
6101569
Swap:  8191   08191


# dmidecode -t 17
# dmidecode 3.0
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 2.4 present.

Handle 0x0029, DMI type 17, 27 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0028
Error Information Handle: No Error
Total Width: 72 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 1024 MB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: DIMM-1A
Bank Locator: Not Specified
Type: DDR2
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 800 MHz
Manufacturer: Not Specified
Serial Number: Not Specified
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: Not Specified

Handle 0x002A, DMI type 17, 27 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0028
Error Information Handle: No Error
Total Width: 72 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 1024 MB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: DIMM-2A
Bank Locator: Not Specified
Type: DDR2
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 800 MHz
Manufacturer: Not Specified
Serial Number: Not Specified
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: Not Specified

Handle 0x002B, DMI type 17, 27 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0028
Error Information Handle: No Error
Total Width: 72 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 1024 MB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: DIMM-1B
Bank Locator: Not Specified
Type: DDR2
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 800 MHz
Manufacturer: Not Specified
Serial Number: Not Specified
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: Not Specified

Handle 0x002C, DMI type 17, 27 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0028
Error Information Handle: No Error
Total Width: Unknown
Data Width: Unknown
Size: No Module Installed
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: DIMM-2B
Bank Locator: Not Specified
Type: DDR2
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 800 MHz
Manufacturer: Not Specified
Serial Number: Not Specified
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: Not Specified


As I know 6868 can address 4GB RAM

Best Regards,

Re: luks, crypttab: why 3 partition only 2 passphrases entered

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From: Carles Pina i Estany 
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 8:47 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: luks, crypttab: why 3 partition only 2 passphrases entered

Hi,

I have a Debian Stretch and recently I added a new cyphered partition.
All works well but I don't understand why and it's bothering me.

Setup:
$ cat /etc/crypttab
m2_root_crypt UUID=4e655198-a111-... none luks,discard
m2_swap_crypt UUID=56485640-8a04-... none luks,discard
ssd_dades_crypt UUID=8d1d855d-17a7-... none luks,discard

All three partitions have the same passphrase.

On restart I'm asked for two passwords:
m2_root_crypt
m2_swap_crypt

The question is:
"Please unlock disk m2_root_crypt:"

I expcted to write the password three times.

My only theory is that after the root partition is decyphered it's also
mounted and then systemd-ask-password is used somehow (how?) and
--keyname= is used to "Configure a kernel keyring key name". I haven't
tested or seen scripts that do this.

I'm reading initrd scripts/local-top/cryptroot and bin/cryptoot-unlock
(where I can see the string "Please unlock disk") and I don't see
anything like this happening. Maybe initrd lib/cryptsetup/askpass is
doing it?

A question would be:
a) How to enter the passphrase only once?
b) When/where (scripts) and how is the passphrase stored?

This is just to know as the system is working perfectly.

Thanks for reading all of this!

--
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Web: http://pinux.info || Blog: http://pintant.cat
GPG Key 0x8CD5C157

Re: manuals

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: mick crane 
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2018 5:16 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: manuals

Is it OK if I wget the webpages from https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/
  ?
to look at locally or are there handy archives I could download ?

mick

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Re: USB2 or 3 WiFi dual band adapters

2018-08-11 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies

On 12/08/18 13:51, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:

On 9 August 2018 at 03:12, tony mollica  wrote:

Hello.
I need to find a good, reliable WiFi adapter.  I have an Alfa AWUS036ACH
using a RTL8812au chip
and there is support but it's unreliable.  Connects sometimes, mostly
not.  My older adapters work
but they're slow but maybe that's the compromise I need to resolve.
What's being used reliably?
Thanks,
Tony

[reordered by the posting order secret police]
> Basically find one that uses the ath9k Chipset. They are easily the best
> supported Wifi Interface.
> If you need Wireless AC then ath10k based products are useable too.
> The Intel ranges are OK as clients, but are not really very Opensource.
> Ath9k has the best Fully Opensource impementation out of any of the
> Wireless cards.
> https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ath9k

+1 for ath9k. I am using a TP-Link TL-WN722N (ath9k_htc). I have two. 
Inexpensive, high-gain antenna, quite reliable despite regular hard work.

Inadvertent enabling of QoS while idle breaks connectivity in a small 
range of kernel versions:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=891060
Found in versions linux/4.15.4-1, linux/4.15.11-1, linux/4.14.17-1
Fixed in versions linux/4.16.5-1, linux/4.15.17-1

Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: how to change default locale [was Re: How to Fix ACPI Error : Namespace lookup failure]

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From: davidson 
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2018 8:02 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: how to change default locale [was Re: How to Fix ACPI Error : 
Namespace lookup failure]

On Sun, 5 Aug 2018, genius wrote:

> Q: how to change the Language option . my system default language is
> English , now I want to change it into Chinese..

If there is some connection between the original subject line of your
message ("Re: How to Fix ACPI Error : Namespace lookup failure") and
the question that you ask here, I am afraid I am not enough of a
wizard to figure it out.

Anyway, if I were you, this is how I would try to change the default
locale on my system:

As root I would do

  # dpkg-reconfigure locales

I would expect this to

  1. allow me to interactively select locales I want generated, and then

  2. let me select one of the generated locales to be the default locale.

I hope this is helpful.

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Re: Plasma 5 unusuable after latest buster "upgrade"

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: Gary Dale 
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2018 3:23 AM
To: Debian Users ML
Subject: Re: Plasma 5 unusuable after latest buster "upgrade"

On 2018-08-10 12:48 PM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
> Hi Gary!
>
> According to your issues I can only think in an issue with your video
> card. What do you have there?
>
> Another thing to try is creating another user.
> FWIW no one else has reported an issue like yours yet, or at least not
> to my knowledge.
It would have to be a weird issue since the video seems to be working
nicely most of the time.

Since rebooting sometimes makes previous desktops unusable, I was
thinking perhaps a flaw in the ssd was corrupting some files and that it
only became apparent after a reboot, but it passes the SMART tests and
there is no other indication of a problem with it.

I created a new user and logged into Plasma. It seemed to work but I
didn't spend a lot of time. Instead I rebooted and tried logging in
again. This time it locked up.

I'm back running Gnome Flashback after rebooting earlier today to try
Plasma again. It didn't work. Neither did Gnome. After failing to get
back into XFCE, I also tried TWM for the first time. It failed to start.
Gnome Flashback seems to be the only installed window manager I can access.

Re: Apache Backuppc problem

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From: Gary Roach 
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2018 3:50 AM
To: Debian User
Subject: Apache Backuppc problem

Hi all.

Debian Stretch OS

I have installed the BackupPC /Apache2 package before and had no trouble
accessing the BackupPC GUI at localhost/backuppc. This time (using apt
install backuppc) I keep getting a window asking if I wish to save a bin
file. The server downloads a file like W6gLcuk0.bin instead of serving
up the GUI web page. I have tried several things suggested on line but
nothing seems to work. Apache2 was installed using the .iso net install
disk.

On past installations, the GUI worked out of the box. Not this time.

Any help will be sincerely appreciated.

Gary R

Re: iptables config resets after restarting system

2018-08-11 Thread likcoras

On 08/11/2018 05:29 AM, Hubert Hauser wrote:
> Good afternoon!
> 
> I've problem with resetting iptables after restarting system. Here's my
> /usr/local/bin/fwall-rules file:
> 
> Running command fwall-rules after restarting system works. What am I
> doing wrong?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Hubert Hauser.
> 

It seems the firewalls before and after are what you want, according to
your script? There are a few minor differences, but those are the rules
that you specify in the script.

If you're talking about the iptables rules disappearing on reboot,
that's just how iptables works. You need to restore the iptables rules
on every reboot.

There are a few ways to do this. The easiest way would be to install the
iptables-persistent package, which will handle restoring
(ip(6)tables-restore /etc/iptables/rules.v{4,6}) at boot time, or you
could follow the instructions here
.

Also, a few notes about your script:

iptables-save dumps out the current iptables rules into a file.
iptables-apply applies the dump, but in your script, since the rules
have already been set in iptables, there is no need to run
iptables-{apply,restore}.

You probably don't need to maintain a separate script. I'd just maintain
/etc/iptables/rules.v{4,6} and have it be restored by iptables-restore.
That way, I can avoid having to maintain a separate script every time I
want to change my firewall rules.

iptables-apply is used to apply some rules file, then wait for user
confirmation. This makes sure that if your rules block you out of your
ssh session or similar, you don't accidentally make the machine
unreachable by you. In your case, since the rules have already been
applied (you added them in the script), iptables-apply will "undo" the
apply to the previous state, which is already problematic. So there is
no point to using iptables-apply here, since the rules are already
inside iptables.

Re: Any VPS recommendations?

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: basti 
Sent: Monday, 23 July 2018 2:11 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Any VPS recommendations?


https://www.netcup.eu/
https://www.hosting.de/

I don't know if there interface is also in english.

Best Regards

On 22.07.2018 17:39, Hubert Hauser wrote:
> Good morning!
>
> I would like to ask about any best and cheap VPS-es recommendations.
>
> My requirements:
> - no overselling,
> - free access to root account (please don't recommend managed VPS-es),
> - min. 20 GB space on SSD,
> - min. 1 GB RAM,
> - public IPv4 and IPv6 addresses,
> - different location of company headquarters and data centers than
> Poland (if possible away from UE) on country with very liberal law,
> - accept anonymous proxies, Tor relays, onions and optionally Tor exits,
> - accept Bitcoins and optionally other cryptocurrencies,
> - cheap (if possible from $5 / month to $8 / month),
> - easy to expand parameters,
> - templates with Debian, CentOS, FreeBSD and optionally possibility to
> upload own template,
> - very good support 24/7.
>
> Please don't recommend VPS-es located in Russia, Turkey, Egypt, Iran,
> Iraq, Saudi Arabia, United Kingdom or United States.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Hubert Hauser.

Re: USB2 or 3 WiFi dual band adapters

2018-08-11 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling

Basically find one that uses the ath9k Chipset. They are easily the best
supported Wifi Interface.

If you need Wireless AC then ath10k based products are useable too.

The Intel ranges are OK as clients, but are not really very Opensource.
Ath9k has the best Fully Opensource impementation out of any of the
Wireless cards.

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ath9k

On 9 August 2018 at 03:12, tony mollica  wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I need to find a good, reliable WiFi adapter.  I have an Alfa AWUS036ACH
> using a RTL8812au chip
> and there is support but it's unreliable.  Connects sometimes, mostly
> not.  My older adapters work
> but they're slow but maybe that's the compromise I need to resolve.
>
> What's being used reliably?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
>

Re: Tea4CUPS: TEABILLING reports error

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From: Rainer Dorsch 
Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2018 8:40 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-print...@lists.debian.org
Subject: Tea4CUPS: TEABILLING reports error


Hi,



I have tea4cups configured to power on my printer before printing. In order to 
do this, I prepended tea4cups:/ to the DeviceURI in printers.conf (if I remove 
this and power on the printer manually before printing, everything works as 
expected):



/etc/cups/printers.conf:
DeviceURI tea4cups:/http://hpljwlan:631/ipp/

I configured the printer power on script:



/etc/cups/tea4cups.conf:
prehook_sispmctl : /usr/local/bin/printeron



but I get unfortunately an error in /var/log/cups/error_log
with every print job and the job is stopped.



E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : Traceback (most 
recent call last):
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) :   File 
\"/usr/lib/cups/backend/tea4cups\", line 1502, in 
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : 
wrapper.exportAttributes()
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) :   File 
\"/usr/lib/cups/backend/tea4cups\", line 1214, in exportAttributes
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : 
os.environ[\"TEABILLING\"] = self.JobBilling or \"\"
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) :   File 
\"/usr/lib/python2.7/os.py\", line 473, in __setitem__
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : putenv(key, 
item)
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : TypeError: 
putenv() argument 2 must be string, not int


Is seems something goes wrong while setting the TEABILLING environement 
variable.



Has anybody an idea why that could be?



Many thanks

Rainer





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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2018 #764

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From: debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org 

Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2018 5:57 AM
To: debian-user-dig...@lists.debian.org
Subject: debian-user-digest Digest V2018 #764

Re: /etc/alternatives feedback for presentation

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From: Ryan Nowakowski 
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2018 8:28 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: /etc/alternatives feedback for presentation

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 08:08:00PM +, der.hans wrote:
> moin moin,
>
> I'm giving a presentation on /etc/alternatives in a few hours.
>
> If you use the alternatives system a lot and would like to spend a few
> minutes reviewing my talk for me, please see the links below.
>
> Any use cases or cool functionality that I've missed?
>
> Anything I've gotten completely wrong?
>
> Any suggestions for good examples?
>
> AsciiDoc source file:
>
> https://www.LuftHans.com/Akten/Presentations/2018/PLUG/PLUG.intro_to_etc_alternatives.2018Aug09.adoc
>
> Slidy HTML ( one-page format without JavaScript, slides with JavaScript ):
>
> https://www.LuftHans.com/Akten/Presentations/2018/PLUG/PLUG.intro_to_etc_alternatives.2018Aug09.html
>

You might add more info on how the other methods interact with
update-alternatives.  For example if I set the EDITOR env var how does
that interact with update-alternatives when I run visudo?  In fact I
think something like a "best practices" is needed for setting default
programs and then overriding them on a per user basis.  I'm not sure
this presentation is the right place for that but perhaps it could be
a wiki page in the future.

Re: New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

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From: Pétùr 
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2018 7:41 PM
To: debian-user
Subject: New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

Using 'su' generates now an path error when launching programs such as 
'shutdown'. The cause is a new behavior described below.
---
util-linux (2.32-0.4) unstable; urgency=medium

  The util-linux implementation of /bin/su is now used, replacing the
  one previously supplied by src:shadow (shipped in login package), and
  bringing Debian in line with other modern distributions. The two
  implementations are very similar but have some minor differences (and
  there might be more that was not yet noticed ofcourse), e.g.

  - new 'su' (with no args, i.e. when preserving the environment) also
preserves PATH and IFS, while old su would always reset PATH and IFS
even in 'preserve environment' mode.
  - su '' (empty user string) used to give root, but now returns an error.
  - previously su only had one pam config, but now 'su -' is configured
separately in /etc/pam.d/su-l

  The first difference is probably the most user visible one. Doing
  plain 'su' is a really bad idea for many reasons, so using 'su -' is
  strongly recommended to always get a newly set up environment similar
  to a normal login. If you want to restore behaviour more similar to
  the previous one you can add 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/login.defs.
---

The new 'su' is useless for me because it cannot launch root program.
I did the modification in /etc/login.defs and restore the previous
behavior. However I am concern with the statement " Doing plain 'su'
is a really bad idea for many reasons".

Could someone explain to me why this is a bad behavior?

Pétùr

Re: Using Sid - sound prob

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From: Ric Moore 
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 4:56 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Using Sid - sound prob

On 08/09/2018 05:10 AM, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:14:44 +0200
> deloptes  wrote:

>>
>> Regarding the sound - I never had a problem in the past 12+ years.
>
> You are fortunate. I went though a period where the assignments for
> sound card 0 and 1 would randomly flip, every few weeks or months. I
> didn't find whatever magical incantation would prevent this, if it
> existed.

I too have not had a serious sound system problem in YEARS. I don't dink
with hand edits, I use alsamixer to set up my sound devices, then use
pulse to select the output/input devices as I select them. No probs. I
did make it easy for my system by using only USB sound devices. They are
not only CHEAP but trouble free. I have a USB stereo headphone with
mike, a USB 7.1 sound device (so I can blast my neighbors into the next
county if I were wanting to do that).and there is a mike on my USB web
cam. ALL easily configurable, as well as usable with alsa/pulse. I also
use the USB headphones on my laptop. The built-in speakers are crap.

 >> I'm a computer *user*.

Not once you start screwing around with stuff.
IF alsa cannot deal with your audio device, find an open window.
Then toss the device out the window.
(or disable it in bios)
Get a USB audio device and pray your hand edits haven't rendered alsa
useless. Ric

p/s don't use Sid
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"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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Re: Plasma 5 unusuable after latest buster "upgrade"

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From: Gary Dale 
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2018 3:23 AM
To: Debian Users ML
Subject: Re: Plasma 5 unusuable after latest buster "upgrade"

On 2018-08-10 12:48 PM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
> Hi Gary!
>
> According to your issues I can only think in an issue with your video
> card. What do you have there?
>
> Another thing to try is creating another user.
> FWIW no one else has reported an issue like yours yet, or at least not
> to my knowledge.
It would have to be a weird issue since the video seems to be working
nicely most of the time.

Since rebooting sometimes makes previous desktops unusable, I was
thinking perhaps a flaw in the ssd was corrupting some files and that it
only became apparent after a reboot, but it passes the SMART tests and
there is no other indication of a problem with it.

I created a new user and logged into Plasma. It seemed to work but I
didn't spend a lot of time. Instead I rebooted and tried logging in
again. This time it locked up.

I'm back running Gnome Flashback after rebooting earlier today to try
Plasma again. It didn't work. Neither did Gnome. After failing to get
back into XFCE, I also tried TWM for the first time. It failed to start.
Gnome Flashback seems to be the only installed window manager I can access.

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: arne 
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2018 8:34 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: sp113...@telfort.nl
Subject: Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 22:35:19 +0100
Mark Rousell  wrote:

> On 09/08/2018 18:39, tech wrote:
> > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something
> > more modern like a bugzilla or else ???
>
> No. Mail lists works as well now as they did then.
>
> Mail lists are efficient, to the point, simple to use.
>
> Don't try to fix what isn't broken.
>
>
try to fix? try to ruin IMHO

Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

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From: tech 
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 4:08 AM
To: Debian Users ML
Subject: RE: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

my spelling VS was correct. Following your corrected spelling, i should wrotte: 
mailing list is NOT the future...but the past.

De : Brad Rogers 
Envoyé : jeudi 9 août 2018 20:04:56
À : Debian Users ML
Objet : Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 17:39:36 +
tech  wrote:

Hello tech,

>modern like a bugzilla or else ???

The wheel has been around several thousand years.  Perhaps we should
replace that too.

You don't like MLs;  Nobody is forcing you to use them.

--
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/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
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Re: New `no sound' problems

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From: Rodolfo Medina 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 5:54 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: New `no sound' problems

It seems to be damned recursive, the problem...  After yesterday's full-upgrade
in Sid, my old Acer One without sound once again...  Everything seems all
right: alsamixer, aumix, pulseaudio installed...  Last time this happened, it
was solved installing pulseaudio and alsaplayer-alsa...  Now it won't...
Please help.

Thanks in advance,

Rodolfo

Re: problem with modern desktops on Buster

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From: Gary Dale 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 5:03 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: problem with modern desktops on Buster

When I rebooted my computer (AMD64/Buster) yesterday, I couldn't get
Plasma to operate. After logging with sddm, the computer locked up hard
(wouldn't respond to SysRq or Ctl-Alt-Del) before the desktop appeared.

I switched to Gnome which seems to work a little better but I was still
getting lockups. I tried Gnome over Xorg in case it was a Wayland
problem but that also seemed to have problems. It crashed overnight and
left me with some panic text on the screen and the computer was locked
up. I couldn't get much beyond the initial desktop display when I restarted.

I've been using Gnome Flashback (Metacity) for about 5 hours now,
including a couple periods when the screen saver / lock kicked in, and
it seems OK.

I'm not even sure where to report this problem since I can't identify a
specific package that is causing it. However since Gnome Flashback seems
to be working, I'd guess that it is in the flashier desktop elements.

Re: question about the kernel

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: mick crane 
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 5:15 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: question about the kernel

Am I right in thinking that the kernel is a single codebase agreed
between all the kernel developers at any particular date and that Linux
distributions can take bits out from that for their release but
shouldn't add bespoke stuff that isn't agreed by everybody else ?

just wondering how that works.

mick

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Re: What time is it, really?

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From: Michael Stone 
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 3:53 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: What time is it, really?

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 11:54:54AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 04:15:36PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
>> Additionally, from http://doc.ntp.org/current-stable/ntpq.html#rv (rv allows
>> one to read the offset for a particular association directly), "Note that
>> time values are represented in milliseconds and frequency values in
>> parts-per-million (PPM)."
>
>Where do I even start

It sounds like you should start with a user/client/desktop oriented time
program. There's no reason for most users to be running ntpd in 2018. If
you're running a server syncing to a PPS source or somesuch then you
need ntpd. But at that point you're going to have to learn a lot of
domain-specific jargon to do that thing, at which point the ntpd
documentation is fine. If you want something that's fire and forget,
then install openntpd or systemd-timesyncd and call it a day.

Mike Stone

Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2018 #759

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From: debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org 

Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2018 4:19 AM
To: debian-user-dig...@lists.debian.org
Subject: debian-user-digest Digest V2018 #759

Re: how to change default locale [was Re: How to Fix ACPI Error : Namespace lookup failure]

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: davidson 
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2018 8:02 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: how to change default locale [was Re: How to Fix ACPI Error : 
Namespace lookup failure]

On Sun, 5 Aug 2018, genius wrote:

> Q: how to change the Language option . my system default language is
> English , now I want to change it into Chinese..

If there is some connection between the original subject line of your
message ("Re: How to Fix ACPI Error : Namespace lookup failure") and
the question that you ask here, I am afraid I am not enough of a
wizard to figure it out.

Anyway, if I were you, this is how I would try to change the default
locale on my system:

As root I would do

  # dpkg-reconfigure locales

I would expect this to

  1. allow me to interactively select locales I want generated, and then

  2. let me select one of the generated locales to be the default locale.

I hope this is helpful.

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  When our silence will be   |  Hanged, by the state of Illinois,
  More powerful than |  alongside fellow journalists
  The voices you strangle today  |  Adolf Fischer and Albert Parsons.

Re: debian-user over NNTP: linux.debian.user (was mailing list vs "the futur")

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: Thomas Schmitt 
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 10:47 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: debian-user over NNTP: linux.debian.user (was mailing list vs "the 
futur")

Hi,

I really really want to abstain from that thread. So a new one:

Gene Heskett wrotei in 'mailing list vs "the futur"':
> [...] NNTP [...]
> To fully support it needs 2000 times the bandwidth of an email server.

But not because of the transport protocoli or message format. NNTP belongs
to the same breed of reasonably concise protocols as the mail protocols
POP3 and SMTP. The message formats too are very similar: A list of header
lines and a message body.

Of course, if it is about newsgroups with videos or many large pictures,
you get clients sucking data for hours. But a news server which imposes
the same restrictions as most mailing list servers would not cause
more traffic or storage need.

While googling for debian-user as newsgroup i found
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg00735.html
where Miles Fidelman points to
  nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user
i.e. newsgroup

  linux.debian.user

which should be on most news servers (because it is of modest size).
Newest message on the server which i can use:

  638790   
 from   : Gene Heskett 
 date   : Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:10:01 +0200
 size   : 2724 bytes in 60 lines
 subject: Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

My mail box seems to be about half an hour ahead of the news server.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Hrdware question

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: Stephen P. Molnar 
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2018 7:20 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Hrdware question


On 08/11/2018 04:50 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> On 08/11/2018 08:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
>> I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.
>>
>> I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a
>> question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.
>>
>> I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been
>> a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA
>> ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> On 08/11/2018 10:21 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> > I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS
> > in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS
> > is current)
> >
> > I have three dives on the platform:
> >
> >   *-cdrom
> > description: DVD-RAM writer
> > product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
> > vendor: HL-DT-ST
> > physical id: 0.0.0
> > bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
> > logical name: /dev/cdrom
> > logical name: /dev/cdrw
> > logical name: /dev/dvd
> > logical name: /dev/dvdrw
> > logical name: /dev/sr0
> > version: LN00
> > capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
> > configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
> >*-disk
> > description: ATA Disk
> > product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
> > vendor: Seagate
> > physical id: 0.0.0
> > bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
> > logical name: /dev/sda
> > version: CC26
> > serial: Z560Q2JW
> > size: 1863GiB (2TB)
> > capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> > configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> > sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76
> >*-disk
> > description: ATA Disk
> > product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
> > vendor: Western Digital
> > physical id: 0.0.0
> > bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
> > logical name: /dev/sdb
> > version: 3B01
> > serial: WD-WMASY0223768
> > size: 465GiB (500GB)
> > capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> > configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> > sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403
> >
> > I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at
> > the time.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows
> > the WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive,
> > upon which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive
> > for booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't
> > say as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was
> > plugged into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.
> >
> > As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around
> > with the hardware and the BIOS.
> >
> > let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the
> > patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!
>
> I will assume that you have one computer, an Internet gateway, and an
> Ethernet cable between them.
>
>
> Hardware can be easy.  Get an anti-static wrist strap and take your
> time.  Read the users manual for the various components. STFW and
> watch YouTube videos to learn more.
>
>
> BIOS can be easy.  Load the defaults and only change those settings
> which you have a compelling reason.  Again, learn as required.
>
>
> Linux, FOSS services and applications, and their myriad settings and
> interactions are all never-ending learning curves.
>
>
> Looking at the motherboard users manual:
>
> http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A97_R2.0/E7438_M5A97_R20_Manual_web_hi-res.pdf
>
>
> Section 1.2.9, item 4, is titled "Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors
> (7-pin SATA6G 1~6)".  Unfortunately, the motherboard and connector
> diagram has been badly pixelated, but the SATA connectors appear to be
> labeled SATA6G_1 through SATA6G_6 (?).  Please confirm.
>
>
> I recommend:
>
> 1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system drive.
> Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1SATA6G_1.
>
> 2.  Connect the optical drive to SATA6G_2.
>
> 3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually,
> creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root
> (10 GB).  Leave the remaining space unused.  This will give you a
> system image that can fit on a 16 GB USB flash drive, a 16 GB SDD, or
> a 25 GB Blu-ray disc.  The first allows you to carry your desktop in
> your pocket, using laptops and PC's as convenient.  The second gives
> you the best performance.  The third is for taking archival images.
>
> 4.  Connect the 500 GB HDD to SATA6G_3 and the 2 TB d

Re: USB2 or 3 WiFi dual band adapters

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: tony mollica 
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 1:12 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: USB2 or 3 WiFi dual band adapters

Hello.

I need to find a good, reliable WiFi adapter.  I have an Alfa AWUS036ACH using 
a RTL8812au chip
and there is support but it's unreliable.  Connects sometimes, mostly not.  My 
older adapters work
but they're slow but maybe that's the compromise I need to resolve.

What's being used reliably?

Thanks,

Tony

Re: messages from GNU screen always in English

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From: davidson 
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 11:17 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: messages from GNU screen always in English

It seems that regardless of my locale (LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8,
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8, etc), messages from GNU screen are
always in English.

Has anyone else noticed this, or am I doing something wrong?

For the record, the following briefly illustrates what I do (for
example):

  $ export LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 ; screen # set locale for tty and start screen
  $ exit # quit screen session
  [screen is terminating]

The termination message above illustrates the unexpected behavior I am
talking about.

Also for the record:

  $ locale -a
  C
  C.UTF-8
  de_DE.utf8
  en_US.utf8
  fr_CA.utf8
  fr_FR.utf8
  POSIX
  ru_RU.utf8

(By contrast, screen's ":time" command *does* obey the locale, though
it displays non-ascii characters incorrectly, and as far as I know
that is a different issue, possibly worth another thread.)

--
  The day will come  |  Last words, August Spies (1855--1887).
  When our silence will be   |  Hanged, by the state of Illinois,
  More powerful than |  alongside fellow journalists
  The voices you strangle today  |  Adolf Fischer and Albert Parsons.

Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

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From: Joe 
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 7:10 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: delop...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:14:44 +0200
deloptes  wrote:

> Joe wrote:
>
> > Having said that, I don't think I've had more sound problems with my
> > sid workstations than with my stable server. Sound is generally a
> > pig on Linux, as the software base seems to change every few years,
> > and until recently, multiple sound cards had the same problem as
> > multiple NICs in that the OS couldn't seem to identify them
> > reliably. I've solved most of my sound problems by getting brutal
> > and actually ripping out and blacklisting drivers for the sound
> > devices I'm not using. Nothing less seemed to permanently solve the
> > identity crisis.
>
> Hi,
> for my workstation (I want to turn it on and just work), I use
> stable. For my server(s) the same. IMO Sid belongs in a VM for
> playing arround. If you want to be one step ahead of time, try
> testing it is usually stable.

Outside the release freeze, testing is only a little more stable than
unstable, and gets fixes later. In the long term, there's not a lot to
choose.
>
> If you don't read/write code, I don't see why someone would use
> unstable. As I mentioned ubuntu is much better to take in such a case
> (Not a developer, but want to be ahead of debian time)

Because there are a few applications still under development, they are
seriously buggy and continuously increasing in features. Even a few
weeks can make a big difference in functionality. I'm looking at you,
libreoffice, libreCAD, geda PCB, etc...

And since I'm not a professional developer, unstable is the practical
way to donate to Debian, in the form of bug reports. All the work has
already been done in stable.

>
> Regarding the sound - I never had a problem in the past 12+ years.

You are fortunate. I went though a period where the assignments for
sound card 0 and 1 would randomly flip, every few weeks or months. I
didn't find whatever magical incantation would prevent this, if it
existed.

If you look up sound problems in conjunction with Linux, the wealth of
results you get will tell you how it has been. Because it has happened
over such a long period of time, almost all of what you find will be
obsolete and completely worthless, which makes fixing the problems so
frustrating.

> Why? Because I did configure the system properly and I use stable. So
> instead of "getting brutal" you could setup your system properly and
> forget about the issues.

"Properly", eh? You mean spending a few days messing around with those
intuitive udev naming rules? Why should that be necessary? Surely,
running a *sound* utility *once*, and telling it which sound card I want
to use should be sufficient? Why should I need to mess around with
system stuff in order to choose my sound card and prevent it toggling
my choice now and then? That kind of stuff should happen automatically
at installation time, once and for all. Possibly it does, now.

>
> One bad thing that people do is the install things on the production
> system just to try them out. Take a second system - or a second drive
> - or a second installation on the same driver. Test there and move to
> the working environment, when you are sure it works.
> With other works make backups before doing something on your
> production system.

Yes, it would be nice to have batches of identical computers, and
nothing to do all day but mess about with them... this isn't a
commercial system, and I have neither the time nor the money to treat
it as one. I'm a computer *user*.

--
Joe

Re: non-blocking stdin from bash

2018-08-11 Thread tomas

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 06:08:34PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> What's the best way to grab anything that's in stdin into a variable
> inside a bash script, but won't block if stdin is null?

I think read is your friend (at least in bash). It has an option
- -t , which you can set to zero, for it to just grab what's
available at the moment without waiting (cf "help read" while in
the bash for more details, like setting a delimiter, etc.)

HTH
- -- tomás
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Re: /etc/alternatives feedback for presentation

2018-08-11 Thread Ryan Nowakowski

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 08:08:00PM +, der.hans wrote:
> moin moin,
> 
> I'm giving a presentation on /etc/alternatives in a few hours.
> 
> If you use the alternatives system a lot and would like to spend a few
> minutes reviewing my talk for me, please see the links below.
> 
> Any use cases or cool functionality that I've missed?
> 
> Anything I've gotten completely wrong?
> 
> Any suggestions for good examples?
> 
> AsciiDoc source file:
> 
> https://www.LuftHans.com/Akten/Presentations/2018/PLUG/PLUG.intro_to_etc_alternatives.2018Aug09.adoc
> 
> Slidy HTML ( one-page format without JavaScript, slides with JavaScript ):
> 
> https://www.LuftHans.com/Akten/Presentations/2018/PLUG/PLUG.intro_to_etc_alternatives.2018Aug09.html
> 

You might add more info on how the other methods interact with
update-alternatives.  For example if I set the EDITOR env var how does
that interact with update-alternatives when I run visudo?  In fact I
think something like a "best practices" is needed for setting default
programs and then overriding them on a per user basis.  I'm not sure
this presentation is the right place for that but perhaps it could be
a wiki page in the future.

non-blocking stdin from bash

2018-08-11 Thread Jim Popovitch

Hello!

What's the best way to grab anything that's in stdin into a variable
inside a bash script, but won't block if stdin is null?


-Jim P.

Re: Hrdware question

On 08/11/2018 04:50 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 08/11/2018 08:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.

I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been 
a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA 
ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?

Thanks in advance.

On 08/11/2018 10:21 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS
> in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS
> is current)
>
> I have three dives on the platform:
>
>   *-cdrom
> description: DVD-RAM writer
> product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
> vendor: HL-DT-ST
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/cdrom
> logical name: /dev/cdrw
> logical name: /dev/dvd
> logical name: /dev/dvdrw
> logical name: /dev/sr0
> version: LN00
> capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
> configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
> vendor: Seagate
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sda
> version: CC26
> serial: Z560Q2JW
> size: 1863GiB (2TB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
> vendor: Western Digital
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sdb
> version: 3B01
> serial: WD-WMASY0223768
> size: 465GiB (500GB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403
>
> I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at
> the time.
>
> Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows
> the WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive,
> upon which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive
> for booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't
> say as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was
> plugged into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.
>
> As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around
> with the hardware and the BIOS.
>
> let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the
> patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!

I will assume that you have one computer, an Internet gateway, and an 
Ethernet cable between them.

Hardware can be easy.  Get an anti-static wrist strap and take your 
time.  Read the users manual for the various components. STFW and 
watch YouTube videos to learn more.

BIOS can be easy.  Load the defaults and only change those settings 
which you have a compelling reason.  Again, learn as required.

Linux, FOSS services and applications, and their myriad settings and 
interactions are all never-ending learning curves.

Looking at the motherboard users manual:

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A97_R2.0/E7438_M5A97_R20_Manual_web_hi-res.pdf 

Section 1.2.9, item 4, is titled "Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors 
(7-pin SATA6G 1~6)".  Unfortunately, the motherboard and connector 
diagram has been badly pixelated, but the SATA connectors appear to be 
labeled SATA6G_1 through SATA6G_6 (?).  Please confirm.

I recommend:

1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system drive. 
Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1SATA6G_1.

2.  Connect the optical drive to SATA6G_2.

3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually, 
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root 
(10 GB).  Leave the remaining space unused.  This will give you a 
system image that can fit on a 16 GB USB flash drive, a 16 GB SDD, or 
a 25 GB Blu-ray disc.  The first allows you to carry your desktop in 
your pocket, using laptops and PC's as convenient.  The second gives 
you the best performance.  The third is for taking archival images.

4.  Connect the 500 GB HDD to SATA6G_3 and the 2 TB drive to SATA6G_4. 
Mount the HDD partitions and/or directories as desired. Adjust owner 
and group identifiers as required.

5.  Use the system drive for the operating system, applications, and 
carefully-chosen data.  (I keep my e-mail and CVS working directories 
in my home directory on the system drive.)  Keep the rest of your data 
on the HDD's.

David

Oh my!
Thank you so very much.  That, in part, is what I am planning on doing.

Re: Hrdware question

2018-08-11 Thread David Christensen

On 08/11/2018 08:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.

I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a 
friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports are 
the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?

Thanks in advance.

On 08/11/2018 10:21 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS
> in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS
> is current)
>
> I have three dives on the platform:
>
>   *-cdrom
> description: DVD-RAM writer
> product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
> vendor: HL-DT-ST
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/cdrom
> logical name: /dev/cdrw
> logical name: /dev/dvd
> logical name: /dev/dvdrw
> logical name: /dev/sr0
> version: LN00
> capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
> configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
> vendor: Seagate
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sda
> version: CC26
> serial: Z560Q2JW
> size: 1863GiB (2TB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
> vendor: Western Digital
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sdb
> version: 3B01
> serial: WD-WMASY0223768
> size: 465GiB (500GB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403
>
> I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at
> the time.
>
> Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows
> the WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive,
> upon which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive
> for booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't
> say as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was
> plugged into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.
>
> As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around
> with the hardware and the BIOS.
>
> let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the
> patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!

I will assume that you have one computer, an Internet gateway, and an 
Ethernet cable between them.

Hardware can be easy.  Get an anti-static wrist strap and take your 
time.  Read the users manual for the various components.  STFW and watch 
YouTube videos to learn more.

BIOS can be easy.  Load the defaults and only change those settings 
which you have a compelling reason.  Again, learn as required.

Linux, FOSS services and applications, and their myriad settings and 
interactions are all never-ending learning curves.

Looking at the motherboard users manual:

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A97_R2.0/E7438_M5A97_R20_Manual_web_hi-res.pdf

Section 1.2.9, item 4, is titled "Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors (7-pin 
SATA6G 1~6)".  Unfortunately, the motherboard and connector diagram has 
been badly pixelated, but the SATA connectors appear to be labeled 
SATA6G_1 through SATA6G_6 (?).  Please confirm.

I recommend:

1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system drive. 
Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1.

2.  Connect the optical drive to SATA6G_2.

3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually, 
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root 
(10 GB).  Leave the remaining space unused.  This will give you a system 
image that can fit on a 16 GB USB flash drive, a 16 GB SDD, or a 25 GB 
Blu-ray disc.  The first allows you to carry your desktop in your 
pocket, using laptops and PC's as convenient.  The second gives you the 
best performance.  The third is for taking archival images.

4.  Connect the 500 GB HDD to SATA6G_3 and the 2 TB drive to SATA6G_4. 
Mount the HDD partitions and/or directories as desired.  Adjust owner 
and group identifiers as required.

5.  Use the system drive for the operating system, applications, and 
carefully-chosen data.  (I keep my e-mail and CVS working directories in 
my home directory on the system drive.)  Keep the rest of your data on 
the HDD's.

David

Re: Apache Backuppc problem

2018-08-11 Thread Bob Weber


On 8/11/18 1:50 PM, Gary Roach wrote:

Hi all.

Debian Stretch OS

I have installed the BackupPC /Apache2 package before and had no trouble 
accessing the BackupPC GUI at localhost/backuppc. This time (using apt install 
backuppc) I keep getting a window asking if I wish to save a bin file. The 
server downloads a file like W6gLcuk0.bin instead of serving up the GUI web 
page. I have tried several things suggested on line but nothing seems to work. 
Apache2 was installed using the .iso net install disk.


On past installations, the GUI worked out of the box. Not this time.

Any help will be sincerely appreciated.

Gary R


I see that there is an apache.conf file in the /etc/backuppc directory.  My 
installation has a symbolic link to that file in the /etc/apache2/conf-enabled 
directory.  The settings in that file seem to control the backuppc cgi-bin 
directory.  Here is what in my file:


Alias /backuppc /usr/share/backuppc/cgi-bin/


    AllowOverride None
    Allow from all

    # Uncomment the line below to ensure that nobody can sniff importanti
    # info from network traffic during editing of the BackupPC config or
    # when browsing/restoring backups.
    # Requires that you have your webserver set up for SSL (https) access.
    #SSLRequireSSL

    Options ExecCGI FollowSymlinks
    AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
    DirectoryIndex index.cgi

    AuthUserFile /etc/backuppc/htpasswd
    AuthType basic
    AuthName "BackupPC admin"
    require valid-user



Hope this gets you in the right direction.

--


*...Bob*

Re: Hrdware question




On 08/11/2018 03:17 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2018-08-11 11:19 (UTC-0400):


I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.
I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.
I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a
friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports are
the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?

Recommended, but not necessary. After a BIOS reset, any HD or SSD plugged into
that port should be recognized as /dev/sda. Putting your preferred boot device
on it might be the easiest way to have an otherwise unrecognized device become
recognized, but you should be able to have it recognized as primary via advanced
BIOS setup regardless.

This answers my question.

Thanks for the information.

--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Consultant
www.molecular-modeling.net
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype: smolnar1

Re: Hrdware question

2018-08-11 Thread Shea Alterio

I have not gone thru OP's motherboard manual, but on my HP workstation, the
ports are numbered _0 thru _5 and if only one drive is plugged in total
then it will be /dev/sda. However if two or more are plugged in then the _0
is sda.

Re: Hrdware question

2018-08-11 Thread Felix Miata

Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2018-08-11 11:19 (UTC-0400):

> I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

> I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
> question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.

> I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a 
> friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports are 
> the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?

Recommended, but not necessary. After a BIOS reset, any HD or SSD plugged into
that port should be recognized as /dev/sda. Putting your preferred boot device
on it might be the easiest way to have an otherwise unrecognized device become
recognized, but you should be able to have it recognized as primary via advanced
BIOS setup regardless.
-- 
"Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you
get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Apache Backuppc problem

2018-08-11 Thread Gary Roach


Hi all.

Debian Stretch OS

I have installed the BackupPC /Apache2 package before and had no trouble 
accessing the BackupPC GUI at localhost/backuppc. This time (using apt 
install backuppc) I keep getting a window asking if I wish to save a bin 
file. The server downloads a file like W6gLcuk0.bin instead of serving 
up the GUI web page. I have tried several things suggested on line but 
nothing seems to work. Apache2 was installed using the .iso net install 
disk.


On past installations, the GUI worked out of the box. Not this time.

Any help will be sincerely appreciated.

Gary R

Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

2018-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett

On Saturday 11 August 2018 12:52:26 Allen Hoover wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:29:33AM +1200, Richard Hector wrote:
> > On 11/08/18 23:28, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > > Am DATE hackte AUTHOR in die Tasten: Brad Rogers
> > >
> > >> On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:05:21 +0300
> > >> "Michelle Konzack"  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Michelle,
> > >>
> > >>> Oh yeah, -- let's hoover!
> > >>
> > >> Errr, hoover?
> > >>
> > >> What, like the make of vacuum cleaner?   :-)
> > >
> > > Check YouTube for "Hoover Board"...
> > > Realy cool inventions!
> > >
> > > Let a car move like a Hooverboat!
> >
> > Um, any search results for that are likely to be spelling mistakes
> > ... I think the word you're after is 'hover' :-)
> >
> > Richard
>
> Hoover looks totally fine to me!!
>
> Regards,
> Allen Hoover
Totally coincidental. :)


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page

Re: Hrdware question




On 08/11/2018 12:22 PM, john doe wrote:

On 8/11/2018 5:19 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.


I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been 
a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA 
ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?




I'm assuming that you have looked at the manuals Asus  MB are well 
documented)! :)


Going through the URL (1) without reading the "docs" the SATA internal 
ports are apparently "all the same" but you might want to be careful 
if you plan to use raid.


1)  https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A97_R20/specifications/

I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS 
in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS is 
current)


I have three dives on the platform:

 *-cdrom
   description: DVD-RAM writer
   product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
   vendor: HL-DT-ST
   physical id: 0.0.0
   bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
   logical name: /dev/cdrom
   logical name: /dev/cdrw
   logical name: /dev/dvd
   logical name: /dev/dvdrw
   logical name: /dev/sr0
   version: LN00
   capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
   configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
  *-disk
   description: ATA Disk
   product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
   vendor: Seagate
   physical id: 0.0.0
   bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
   logical name: /dev/sda
   version: CC26
   serial: Z560Q2JW
   size: 1863GiB (2TB)
   capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
   configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512 
sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76

  *-disk
   description: ATA Disk
   product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
   vendor: Western Digital
   physical id: 0.0.0
   bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
   logical name: /dev/sdb
   version: 3B01
   serial: WD-WMASY0223768
   size: 465GiB (500GB)
   capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
   configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512 
sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403


I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at 
the time.


Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows the 
WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive, upon 
which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive for 
booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't say 
as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was plugged 
into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.


As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around 
with the hardware and the BIOS.


let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the 
patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!


--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Consultant
www.molecular-modeling.net
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype: smolnar1

Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

2018-08-11 Thread Allen Hoover

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:29:33AM +1200, Richard Hector wrote:
> On 11/08/18 23:28, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > Am DATE hackte AUTHOR in die Tasten: Brad Rogers
> >> On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:05:21 +0300
> >> "Michelle Konzack"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Michelle,
> >>
> >>> Oh yeah, -- let's hoover!
> >>
> >> Errr, hoover?
> >>
> >> What, like the make of vacuum cleaner?   :-)
> > 
> > Check YouTube for "Hoover Board"...
> > Realy cool inventions!
> > 
> > Let a car move like a Hooverboat!
> > 
> 
> Um, any search results for that are likely to be spelling mistakes ... I
> think the word you're after is 'hover' :-)
> 
> Richard
> 



Hoover looks totally fine to me!!

Regards,
Allen Hoover

Re: New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

2018-08-11 Thread Curt

On 2018-08-11, Pétùr  wrote:
> Le 11/08/2018 à 16:03, Curt a écrit :
>> There was a lengthy discussion, but within it I don't remember anyone
>> detailing the numerous reasons (or any reason at all) executing plain
>> 'su' is a "really bad idea," (where I'm reading "really bad idea" to
>> mean having unintended and very detrimental consequences to the
>> hapless user).
>
> Sorry I missed the discussion (it was during my vacation). I read it
> quickly and, indeed, there is no proper explanation why old "su" is
> dangerous to use or a bad idea.
>
>

No one said the old su was dangerous or a bad idea. The new su came about
because "all other distributions are using the implementations from
util-linux."

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833256

What was said here (in the NEWS or NOTES or some official document
quoted in this thread) was that executing "su" without any arguments
rather than "su -" was a very bad idea (so that those bitten by the fact
the new, improved su doesn't reset the PATH are kind of getting what
they deserve anyway for being ignorant).

-- 
"She was a blank wall, fresh painted." 
Louise Erdrich, Love Medicine

Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

2018-08-11 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey

On 8/11/18, Curt  wrote:
> On 2018-08-11, Michelle Konzack  wrote:
>> Am DATE hackte Brad Rogers in die Tasten:
>>> The wheel has been around for well over two thousand years.  Perhaps
>>> we
>>> should get rid of that, too.
>>
>> Oh yeah, -- let's hoover!
>
> That's a vacuum cleaner.

My brain tends to go presidential.. except here where the "Hoover"
mention was part of an international exchange. A nearly 100-year-old
US presidential reference would be far less likely on a list like
this. :)

I've priced hoverboards on occasion so I know of them, but that
*woooshed* over my head as a possible intended reference, most likely
k/t a lack of coffee. :)

Hoover the Mover... and it apparently _is_ about cars. I'm done. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: Hrdware question

2018-08-11 Thread john doe


On 8/11/2018 5:19 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.


I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a 
friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports are 
the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?




I'm assuming that you have looked at the manuals Asus  MB are well 
documented)! :)


Going through the URL (1) without reading the "docs" the SATA internal 
ports are apparently "all the same" but you might want to be careful if 
you plan to use raid.


1)  https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A97_R20/specifications/

--
John Doe

Re: Hrdware question

2018-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett

On Saturday 11 August 2018 11:19:19 Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.
>
> I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a
> question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.
>
> I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a
> friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports
> are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?
>
Or _0 if it exists. Check dmesg to see whats the first one found.

> Thanks in advance.



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page

Re: New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

2018-08-11 Thread Pétùr

Le 11/08/2018 à 13:42, Nicolas George a écrit :
> Pétùr (2018-08-11):
>> The new 'su' is useless for me because it cannot launch root program.
> Maybe learn how to use $PATH?

If I modify $PATH for the new "su", I basically re-implement the old
behavior of "su". This is exactly what adding 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in
/etc/login.defs does (and I did that).

My question was not to modify new "su" but why old "su" is bad practice.

Re: New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

2018-08-11 Thread Pétùr

Le 11/08/2018 à 16:03, Curt a écrit :
> There was a lengthy discussion, but within it I don't remember anyone
> detailing the numerous reasons (or any reason at all) executing plain
> 'su' is a "really bad idea," (where I'm reading "really bad idea" to
> mean having unintended and very detrimental consequences to the
> hapless user).

Sorry I missed the discussion (it was during my vacation). I read it
quickly and, indeed, there is no proper explanation why old "su" is
dangerous to use or a bad idea.

Re: Hrdware question

2018-08-11 Thread tomas

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:19:19AM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.
> 
> I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a
> question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.
> 
> I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been
> a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA
> ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?

I don't know about your board, but usually you can set the boot
priority order in the BIOS. Probably you can use any of the SATA
ports.

Cheers
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Re: Tea4CUPS: TEABILLING reports error

2018-08-11 Thread daniel-mailinglists

Hey there,
I'm having this error too, on my KDE Neon System as well as on my (now)
Arch System. It works most of the times, but not all.

Did you finally manage to find a solution, Rainer?


--
Daniel

Re: New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

2018-08-11 Thread Samuel Henrique

>
> There was a lengthy discussion, but within it I don't remember anyone
> detailing the numerous reasons (or any reason at all) executing plain
> 'su' is a "really bad idea," (where I'm reading "really bad idea" to
> mean having unintended and very detrimental consequences to the
> hapless user).
>

I think i missed that discussion, will catch that later.

I would like to suggest that instead of showing only "Doing plain 'su' is a
really bad idea for many reasons" on the NEWS file, one should add some
external reference on why it is a bad idea, because most probably the user
using only "su" is not aware of why it's bad and is left empty handed on
the reasons (obviously they can search online, but that doesn't mean we
can't show the reasoning behind that on NEWS).

I'd really like if Stretch users also received an external URL for
reference or a proper explanation on why this is bad during the
Stretch->Buster upgrade.

There was a lengthy discussion, but within it I don't remember anyone
> detailing the numerous reasons (or any reason at all) executing plain
> 'su' is a "really bad idea," (where I'm reading "really bad idea" to
> mean having unintended and very detrimental consequences to the
> hapless user).


I don't think it's a good idea to expect users to search for that
discussion when they see the NEWS file, we should assume that at the least
they will continue to try using "su" and fallback to "su -" when something
goes wrong, without ever looking for the reasons (and that is what is
actually happening with Brazilian users right now).

-- 
Samuel Henrique

Hrdware question


I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.


I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a 
friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports are 
the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?


Thanks in advance.

--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Consultant
www.molecular-modeling.net
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype: smolnar1

Re: debian-user over NNTP: linux.debian.user (was mailing list vs "the futur")

2018-08-11 Thread songbird

Dan Purgert wrote:
> Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:
>> Dan Purgert  writes:
>>> Yeah, well, least it's on eternal-september (my NNTP provider). I doubt
>>> they're the most active, but the service is free, and good enough for my
>>> tastes.

  yes!  i'm glad there are people who are willing to 
do such things.

>> Also i like NNTP service! For now i'm on Gmane, thanks^^^
>
> Now that you meantion it, I might've needed to go through gmane for the
> debian lists.

  yes, that's what i do for some, not sure what
others are available if i were to go through
eternal-september (which is for the more general
newsgroups i read/write to).

  songbird

Re: Problems with kernel 4.17.0-1-amd64

2018-08-11 Thread Nicolas George

rv riveravaldez (2018-07-26):
> I'm having an audio issue with this same kernel: there's a permanent
> buzz that starts at soon as the system has loaded and only stops when
> I play some sound (any audio or video) or starts JACK (via qjackctl).

A lost interrupt like I suspected initially would not have had that
result. On the other hand, power saving on the sound controller can:
when it is powered down, interferences from the DC power supply can seep
in.

It could be that option power_save=0 to snd-hda-intel or whichever
module your particular sound controller helps.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Problems with kernel 4.17.0-1-amd64

2018-08-11 Thread Nicolas George

Hi.

An update on this:

Nicolas George (2018-07-25):
> The device for the audio controller takes about 0.3 seconds to open. I
> have just rebooted on 4.16, and with it the delay is imperceptible. (And
> yes, 0.3 seconds for that is a problem for me.) The audio device is
> listed as "ALC892 Analog".

This was documented in the ChangeLog (not in so many words), and the fix
is a module option:

options snd-hda-intel power_save=0

> More severe: from time to time, process doing disk access go into D
> state but the disk stays idle; the kernel reports nothing at all (in
> particular: no reset of the ATA bus). They can stay like that for a few
> seconds, a few dozens seconds, and I had a firefox freeze for several
> minutes until I got fed up and pressed the power button; the shutdown
> was clean. I had no such problem with 4.16.0-2-amd64, and I will be
> careful to see if they happen now that I have rebooted with the oldest
> kernel.

This one was fixed by adding this on the kernel command-line:

dm_mod.use_blk_mq=0 scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=0

It is possible that "ahci.mobile_lpm_policy=0" helps too, it was
suggested to me as a fix too and I have not yet tested without it, nor
with use_blk_mq in modprobe.d instead of the kernel command-line.

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Re: New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

2018-08-11 Thread Curt

On 2018-08-11, Stefan Krusche  wrote:
>>
>>   The first difference is probably the most user visible one. Doing
>>   plain 'su' is a really bad idea for many reasons, so using 'su -' is
>>   strongly recommended to always get a newly set up environment similar
>>   to a normal login. If you want to restore behaviour more similar to
>>   the previous one you can add 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/login.defs.
>> ---
>>
>> The new 'su' is useless for me because it cannot launch root program.
>> I did the modification in /etc/login.defs and restore the previous
>> behavior. However I am concern with the statement " Doing plain 'su'
>> is a really bad idea for many reasons".
>>
>> Could someone explain to me why this is a bad behavior?
>>
>> Pétùr
>
> Hello Pétùr,
>
> only recently until a couple days ago there was a lengthy discussion about 
> just 
> that. Have you missed that? Have a look in the archives for a subject line 
> like 
> this: "use of su vs sudo" ...

There was a lengthy discussion, but within it I don't remember anyone
detailing the numerous reasons (or any reason at all) executing plain
'su' is a "really bad idea," (where I'm reading "really bad idea" to
mean having unintended and very detrimental consequences to the
hapless user).


> Kind regards,
> Stefan
>
>


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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-11 Thread tomas

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 02:19:49PM +0200, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Friday, 10 Aug 2018 at 12:42, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > [1] I know what I'm talking about: I've watched the slow and painful
> >process of replacing mail with something more "modern" (O365) in
> >a big corp, and the underhanded tactics of badmouthing and
> >marginalizing fueled by a Microsoft-supported "team".
> 
> +1.
> 
> I've been forced to use O365 at work.  Luckily, there's still pop access
> to this so I can manage my email with the tools I want (which, in my
> case, is gnus in Emacs giving me splitting, adaptive scoring,
> expiry, ...; YMMV).

In my case they even had imap running (guess they didn't know [2]...)

Cheers

[2] Although with the years, I am more and more prone to what I call
   tomas's bastard: "Any sufficiently advanced malice can't be
   distinguished from stupidity" -- a kind of unholy cross-over
   between Hanlon's Razor and Clarke's Third Law. Some call this
   "plausible deniability", I guess.

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Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

2018-08-11 Thread Brad Rogers

On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:34:15 + (UTC)
Curt  wrote:

Hello Curt,

>He did say "well over," people will point out, but there's the unwritten
>rule that the quantity attributed to a "well over" cannot be superior to
>the original, 

I knew I wanted a number much greater than 2000, but wasn't sure how
much farther I should go.  TBH, I couldn't be arsed to look it up,
because it made no difference to my (ever-so) sarcastic point.

Linguistic accuracy was wy down my list of priorities.   :-)

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Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

2018-08-11 Thread Curt

On 2018-08-11, Michelle Konzack  wrote:
> Am DATE hackte Brad Rogers in die Tasten:
>> The wheel has been around for well over two thousand years.  Perhaps
>> we
>> should get rid of that, too.
>
> Oh yeah, -- let's hoover!

That's a vacuum cleaner. 

Of course, those new-fangled digital Dysons, when set to blow, can
probably blast you off to Io.

BTW I take issue with the two thousand year figure for the invention of
the wheel. I'm reading: "4500–3300 BCE: Copper Age, invention of the
potter's wheel; earliest wooden wheels (disks with a hole for the axle);
earliest wheeled vehicles, domestication of the horse" over at
Wikipedia.

He did say "well over," people will point out, but there's the unwritten
rule that the quantity attributed to a "well over" cannot be superior to
the original, base quantity the expression would have us augment by some
unspecified amount. IOW, if I say, "It took me well over a month," that
cannot rightly mean it took me two and half months. Maybe it would mean
five weeks or something. To tell the truth I don't know what the hell it
would mean.

But that's hover and well over five thousand.

Out.

> Time to get cars without wheels.
>

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Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

2018-08-11 Thread Richard Hector

On 11/08/18 23:28, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am DATE hackte AUTHOR in die Tasten: Brad Rogers
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:05:21 +0300
>> "Michelle Konzack"  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Michelle,
>>
>>> Oh yeah, -- let's hoover!
>>
>> Errr, hoover?
>>
>> What, like the make of vacuum cleaner?   :-)
> 
> Check YouTube for "Hoover Board"...
> Realy cool inventions!
> 
> Let a car move like a Hooverboat!
> 

Um, any search results for that are likely to be spelling mistakes ... I
think the word you're after is 'hover' :-)

Richard



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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-11 Thread Eric S Fraga

On Friday, 10 Aug 2018 at 12:42, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> [1] I know what I'm talking about: I've watched the slow and painful
>process of replacing mail with something more "modern" (O365) in
>a big corp, and the underhanded tactics of badmouthing and
>marginalizing fueled by a Microsoft-supported "team".

+1.

I've been forced to use O365 at work.  Luckily, there's still pop access
to this so I can manage my email with the tools I want (which, in my
case, is gnus in Emacs giving me splitting, adaptive scoring,
expiry, ...; YMMV).

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Re: New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

2018-08-11 Thread Nicolas George

Pétùr (2018-08-11):
> The new 'su' is useless for me because it cannot launch root program.

Maybe learn how to use $PATH?

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Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

Am DATE hackte AUTHOR in die Tasten: Brad Rogers
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:05:21 +0300
> "Michelle Konzack"  wrote:
>
> Hello Michelle,
>
>>Oh yeah, -- let's hoover!
>
> Errr, hoover?
>
> What, like the make of vacuum cleaner?   :-)

Check YouTube for "Hoover Board"...
Realy cool inventions!

Let a car move like a Hooverboat!

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Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

2018-08-11 Thread Brad Rogers

On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:05:21 +0300
"Michelle Konzack"  wrote:

Hello Michelle,

>Oh yeah, -- let's hoover!

Errr, hoover?

What, like the make of vacuum cleaner?   :-)

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how to change default locale [was Re: How to Fix ACPI Error : Namespace lookup failure]

2018-08-11 Thread davidson


On Sun, 5 Aug 2018, genius wrote:


Q: how to change the Language option . my system default language is
English , now I want to change it into Chinese..


If there is some connection between the original subject line of your
message ("Re: How to Fix ACPI Error : Namespace lookup failure") and
the question that you ask here, I am afraid I am not enough of a
wizard to figure it out.

Anyway, if I were you, this is how I would try to change the default
locale on my system:

As root I would do

 # dpkg-reconfigure locales

I would expect this to

 1. allow me to interactively select locales I want generated, and then

 2. let me select one of the generated locales to be the default locale.

I hope this is helpful.

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Re: New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

2018-08-11 Thread Stefan Krusche

Am Samstag 11 August 2018 schrieb Pétùr:
> Using 'su' generates now an path error when launching programs such as
> 'shutdown'. The cause is a new behavior described below. ---
> util-linux (2.32-0.4) unstable; urgency=medium
>
>   The util-linux implementation of /bin/su is now used, replacing the
>   one previously supplied by src:shadow (shipped in login package), and
>   bringing Debian in line with other modern distributions. The two
>   implementations are very similar but have some minor differences (and
>   there might be more that was not yet noticed ofcourse), e.g.
>
>   - new 'su' (with no args, i.e. when preserving the environment) also
> preserves PATH and IFS, while old su would always reset PATH and IFS
> even in 'preserve environment' mode.
>   - su '' (empty user string) used to give root, but now returns an error.
>   - previously su only had one pam config, but now 'su -' is configured
> separately in /etc/pam.d/su-l
>
>   The first difference is probably the most user visible one. Doing
>   plain 'su' is a really bad idea for many reasons, so using 'su -' is
>   strongly recommended to always get a newly set up environment similar
>   to a normal login. If you want to restore behaviour more similar to
>   the previous one you can add 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/login.defs.
> ---
>
> The new 'su' is useless for me because it cannot launch root program.
> I did the modification in /etc/login.defs and restore the previous
> behavior. However I am concern with the statement " Doing plain 'su'
> is a really bad idea for many reasons".
>
> Could someone explain to me why this is a bad behavior?
>
> Pétùr

Hello Pétùr,

only recently until a couple days ago there was a lengthy discussion about just 
that. Have you missed that? Have a look in the archives for a subject line like 
this: "use of su vs sudo" ...

Kind regards,
Stefan

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-11 Thread Rob van der Putten


Hi there


On 10/08/18 01:03, Rich Kulawiec wrote:




No.  This is an absolutely terrible idea.  Here's why mailing lists
are (along with Usenet newsgroups) vastly superior to web-based anything:


I prefer Usenet to mailing lists. I read dozens of mailing lists and I 
don't want all that data on my computer. This is why I use a mail to 
news gateway.
What I really like about Usenet, is the way everything is neatly 
organized by subject. The same applies to mailing lists when using a 
gateway.
Further more I don't have to create an account for each group. I just 
subscribe.





Regards,
Rob

New su behavior in util-linux 2.32

2018-08-11 Thread Pétùr


Using 'su' generates now an path error when launching programs such as 
'shutdown'. The cause is a new behavior described below.
---
util-linux (2.32-0.4) unstable; urgency=medium

 The util-linux implementation of /bin/su is now used, replacing the
 one previously supplied by src:shadow (shipped in login package), and
 bringing Debian in line with other modern distributions. The two
 implementations are very similar but have some minor differences (and
 there might be more that was not yet noticed ofcourse), e.g.

 - new 'su' (with no args, i.e. when preserving the environment) also
   preserves PATH and IFS, while old su would always reset PATH and IFS
   even in 'preserve environment' mode.
 - su '' (empty user string) used to give root, but now returns an error.
 - previously su only had one pam config, but now 'su -' is configured
   separately in /etc/pam.d/su-l

 The first difference is probably the most user visible one. Doing
 plain 'su' is a really bad idea for many reasons, so using 'su -' is
 strongly recommended to always get a newly set up environment similar
 to a normal login. If you want to restore behaviour more similar to
 the previous one you can add 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/login.defs.
---

The new 'su' is useless for me because it cannot launch root program.
I did the modification in /etc/login.defs and restore the previous
behavior. However I am concern with the statement " Doing plain 'su'
is a really bad idea for many reasons".

Could someone explain to me why this is a bad behavior?

Pétùr

Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes)

Am DATE hackte Brad Rogers in die Tasten:
> The wheel has been around for well over two thousand years.  Perhaps
> we
> should get rid of that, too.

Oh yeah, -- let's hoover!
Time to get cars without wheels.

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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Am DATE hackte Ben Finney in die Tasten:
> It's 2018. Shouldn't we move away from an old âkeyboardâ to
> something
> mroe modern like a data-glove?

I would prefer the Star Trek version:

"Computer, show me Ben Finneys last 10 postings on debian user"

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Re: Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-11 Thread dekkzz78

On 08/10, Dan Purgert wrote:

Rich Kulawiec wrote:

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 06:24:55AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

I get more mail than that before breakfast. If you've got the
right tools, it's easy to deal with.

This is an excellent point. Many of the people who lodge complaints
like the one that started this discussion thread have chosen very poor
tools and thus have conflated the failings of those tools with some
non-existent inherent problems with mailing lists.

To expand on that with my own personal prejudice -- the people using
these "sub-par" tools are also the ones who're the cause of some of the
existent (modern?) problems with mailing lists.

Namely:

- HTML Messages
- Not wrapping messages at ~80 characters
- top posting

I personally don't wrap at 80, it's IMO a right PITA when you have 1050pixels on your screen however mutt allows you to wrap on clients that are set up for full width while
wrapping at 80 for those that wish not to.

Serious email users should be using mutt, which is fast, compact,
resistant to attack, and has an astonishing number of features.

Guess I'm not a "serious" email user then. Half the time I'm still
using Tbird.

Those who receive large volumes of mail should be using procmail
to pre-sort it, and they should be aware of RFC 2919 (and thus
the existence of List-Id) as an excellent means for doing so.
These two tools in combination make dealing with large amounts
of traffic to large numbers of mailing lists quite easy.

Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems to
indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as opposed
to say something on the mailserver itself?

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Re: What time is it, really?

2018-08-11 Thread Fekete Tamás

Dear Colleagues,

I think the extensions made by others to my comment were very valuable.
Only thing I would like to add, that Fred's (original asker) problem is
probably that time sync daemon can not do it's job in the background
properly.
Ntpd can not sync on startup or later and time async reaches 10 min, which
is huge.
So the problem here is two:

- the time stepper probably broken
- and the time sync software can not do it's job properly.

I would suggest to debug the second first, as you will need time sync even
after you solved the first problem.
Just some suggestion to this:
- check the ntpd logs. If there is no dedicated log file to it, make one by
editing the ntp.conf file
- check if the drift file can be accessed and is writeable to ntpd
- check the restriction section in ntp.conf file. Make sure the service is
available on localhost at least on IPv4
- if ntpd runs, issue ntpq -p command and check it's output (compare it's
output to any other linux machine with working time sync)

Best regards
Tamas Fekete

2018-08-10 22:53 GMT+02:00 Michael Stone :

> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 07:46:46PM +0200, Fekete Tamás wrote:
>
>> verify the output. note: ntpd has to run!). Assume, that you choosed the
>> proper
>> time source for sync, so it means that the mechanism which steps your
>> clock
>> locally is broken. It can be battery reasons on the mainboard,
>> temperature can
>> also influence (but not too much nowadays), if you use virtual machine,
>> that
>> matters a lot, as it gets the CPU cycles from the host machine, and it's
>> inner
>> time stepping highly depends on the CPU time given by the host, finally I
>> have
>> never read anything about the effect of overclocking the CPU, it might
>> have
>> also effect on this, but test should be run to be sure.
>>
>
> It's also really bad to run more than one time synchronization at
> once--they'll tend to confuse each other and cause random time shifts.
>
> Ntpd has higher threshold to step the clock.
>> "After some time, small offsets (significantly less than a second) will be
>> slewed (adjusted slowly), while larger offsets will cause the clock to be
>> stepped (set anew)."
>> Source: http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo.htm
>>
>
> This isn't true on ntpd startup; it'll step the clock to get it close and
> slew thereafter. The only case where this a problem is if there are major
> issues with the local clock. (Which generally means you have bigger
> problems.) You may be thinking of the behavior where ntpd will exit on
> startup if the time is too far off. Using the -g option causes it to just
> set the time and carry on. (There are pros and cons to both approaches.)
>
> Mike Stone
>
>

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-11 Thread dekkzz78


On 08/09, tech wrote:

The way most people keep up to date on network news is through subscription to 
a number of mail reflectors (also known as mail exploders). Mail reflectors are 
special electronic mailboxes which, when they receive a message, resend it to a 
list of other mailboxes. This in effect creates a discussion group on a 
particular topic.
- E. Krol; The Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet; RFC 1118; Sept. 1989.


Seem's the first "bitnic listserv" is dated from 1984 ! More than 34 years ago !



Just as a reminder, we are now in 2018 ... something called the XXI century ... 
with 4G, optical FTTH connection, smartphones ...


Don't assume there are areas  which don't have all the high tech your quoting, 
great swathes of the US still have only access to copper wire at circa 2000 
speeds.


Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something more 
modern like a bugzilla or else ???



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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Am DATE hackte Dan Purgert in die Tasten:
> Thanks for the explanation.  At some point I may have to look into it
> in
> more detail -- although since I run my MTA (well, at least for the
> mail
> that matters) that does sorting serverside, might not do me any good.

I would say, your MTA has nothing to do with it.

If you run your own Server and your MTA receive a new message,
let it point to procmail and sort it. I assum, you access the
server trough IMAP so the next time you connect with your
prefered MUA or Squirrelmail you will see the mesages nicely
sorted.

I get today per day arround 700 messages (10 years ago it was
more then 2500 per day) and i have go only in mailfolders I am
interested in.

My IMAP structure is

INBOX
 .BTS_debian
.
 .ML_debian
   .arm
   .embedded
   .security
   .user
   .user-german
 .ML_mail
 .courier-users@lists_sourceforge_net
 .mutt-announce@mutt_org
 .mutt-users@mutt_org
 .squirrelmail-users@lists_sourceforge_net
 .ML_misc
 .bind-users@lists_isc_org
 .ML_pgsql
  .general
 .ML_php
.general
 .ML_xwindow
.fvwm@fvwm_org
.xorg@lists_freedesktop_org
...

Mutt and Squirrelmail marke the folders where are new messages.
and if I am only interested in mutt, I have not to search in a
mailbox with several 100 (or several 1000 after holliday)
unrelated messages.

I hope this give you a clue.

No chance for Webbased Forum especially with all this trackers in it!

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