Re: Debian Stretch Am Confused about /dev/dsp

[Dan Ritter]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 03:10:24PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:
>   The software I wrote doesn't predate oss but some
> documentation I red years ago that probably does predate oss was
> what I used to wrige some C routines that send and receive sound
> plus use ioctl to set, say, /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp1 for stereo at
> 32000 samples per second.
> 
>   I used that to make a stereo sound card record 2
> independent 8-K 8-bit audio channels from two radio scanners
> 
>   Music stinks when recorded that way but scanner audio has
> such a limited pass band that it sounds pretty decent.
> 
>   Many thanks.
> 
> > It also pointed me to ,
> > if that's of any help.
> 
>   I will save this message and also learn the correct way
> to send and receive audio these days.

I think that 'sox' which can also be called as 'play' or 'rec'
is what you want.

Use rec to record from sound-input, and sox to split it by
channel into two files.

-dsr-

Re: Debian Stretch Am Confused about /dev/dsp

[Martin McCormick]

Greg Wooledge  writes:
> /dev/dsp is part of the legacy OSS (Open Sound System) interface.  If
> you play audio using only ALSA, or ALSA + Pulse, you do not need this
> older interface.
> 
> If your software requires the /dev/dsp interface (because it predates
> ALSA), you can try loading the snd-pcm-oss module.  At least, that's
> what the IRC bot says to do.

Thank you.  I am happy to report that adding snd-pcm-oss to
/etc/modules brought the /dev/dsp interfaces back.

I never did a lsmod on the system a week or so ago to see
what was there when I first saw /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 and it
could be that the snd-pcm-oss module was loaded as a result of
installing mplayer although mplayer does not need /dev/dsp and
works fine without it.

When I shut down the system and restarted it today, i did
do lsmod looking for snd-pcm-oss and it was not there.  After
placingthe name of the module in /etc/modules, I rebooted so as
to start from scratch and it was there along with /dev/dsp and
/dev/dsp1 for the usb device which now works like a charm.

I must read up on how to code for not needing /dev/dspx
to fix the real issue here.

The software I wrote doesn't predate oss but some
documentation I red years ago that probably does predate oss was
what I used to wrige some C routines that send and receive sound
plus use ioctl to set, say, /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp1 for stereo at
32000 samples per second.

I used that to make a stereo sound card record 2
independent 8-K 8-bit audio channels from two radio scanners

Music stinks when recorded that way but scanner audio has
such a limited pass band that it sounds pretty decent.

Many thanks.

> It also pointed me to ,
> if that's of any help.

I will save this message and also learn the correct way
to send and receive audio these days.

Martin

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

[Joe]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:35:35 - (UTC)
Dan Purgert  wrote:

> Joe wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:49:06 - (UTC)
> > Dan Purgert  wrote:  
> >> Isn't that what Facebook, et. al. already do? It's AOL all over
> >> again. 
> > Not quite yet. I can still invent a completely new protocol, send
> > you the details, and we can exchange data over the Net using it.
> > One day, ISPs will pass nothing but http/s.
> >  
> Hm, seems like that'd break quite a lot of things that're important to
> business -- SMTP, SFTP, FTP[*], AS2 ... 

Businesses are heavy users of Office 365, recent MS server
infrastructure practically requires it. Bill Gates has been wanting to
rent out software practically from the beginning. Files are all kept in
'the cloud'. Even my accountant has outsourced all IT, and she's
practically a one-woman-band.

-- 
Joe

Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future?

[local10]

Aug 30, 2018, 11:15 AM by nemomm...@gmail.com:

> I hope it's faster than the previous releases. It was/is dog slow.
>
What do you do with Firefox that it's so slow? Firefox has lots of problems but 
its speed was never a problem for me, even on older PCs.

In my experience people who complain about Firefox speed are just not bright 
enough to install Noscript and/or Ublock Origin, so they load 15+ different 
tracking scripts for every page they open, so yeah, in this case perhaps it is 
slow.

Regards,

Re: Debian Stretch Am Confused about /dev/dsp

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 12:14:57PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:
>   After successfully installing stretch on a system, there
> was no /dev/dsp.  I needed to play some mp3 files and so
> installed mplayer.  [...]

/dev/dsp is part of the legacy OSS (Open Sound System) interface.  If
you play audio using only ALSA, or ALSA + Pulse, you do not need this
older interface.

If your software requires the /dev/dsp interface (because it predates
ALSA), you can try loading the snd-pcm-oss module.  At least, that's
what the IRC bot says to do.

It also pointed me to ,
if that's of any help.

Debian Stretch Am Confused about /dev/dsp

[Martin McCormick]

After successfully installing stretch on a system, there
was no /dev/dsp.  I needed to play some mp3 files and so
installed mplayer.  The mp3's played and I also discovered
/dev/dsp for the on-board sound chip and /dev/dsp1 for a USB card
which began to work when used with an application I wrote that is
a few years old and makes use of /dev/dsp.

I was thankful that the install of mplayer and several
dependent libraries seemed to have restored the dsp devices so I
powered down the system and have brought it up today to find that
once again, no /dev/dsp.  Something got turned on during the
installation process that doesn't default to on.  Where should I
look as I can do that quicker than I can rewrite the application
to do whatever you must do these days to speak to a sound device.

The system has alsa-utils but I was under the impression
that these days, one should not install alsa-base.  As I
reported, this system is capable of /dev/dsp but it seems to have
lost it again.  That is why I am confused.

Thanks for any constructive suggestions.
Martin McCormick

Bug#907640: compiz: Migrating to compiz-reloaded?

[Samuel Thibault]

Package: compiz
Severity: important

Hello,

The launchpad upstream for compiz has switched to light maintenance mode
and will not make further development since Ubuntu has stopped using it.

How do people feel about switching to compiz-reloaded?

https://gitlab.com/compiz

Basically they restarted from the 0.8.8 version to avoid all recent
changes which have apparently introduced issues (see
http://compiz-debian.tuxfamily.org/ ). We can probably just take the
packaging from tuxfamily and work in hand with them to maintain it
officially in Debian.

Of course, since this is an older (but maintained) version, some
recent features are not there. Perhaps people can check, by installing
packages from tuxfamily, that everything they need is there?

Samuel

Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future?

[Patrick Bartek]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:28:35 +0200
Stefan K  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Debian will be upgrade to Firefox 60.2 esr.,it will be available at
> 2018-09-05
> [snip]

I hope it's faster than the previous releases. It was/is dog slow.
That's one of the reasons I switched to Firefox Quantum. Have had no
problems with it running on either Wheezy or Stretch.

FWIW: Chrome is my primary browser, but it is not compatible with some
sites I frequent, but Quantum works fine on them.  ESR does, too, just
slowly. 

B

Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future?

[Juan R. de Silva]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:28:35 +0200, Stefan K wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Debian will be upgrade to Firefox 60.2 esr.,it will be available at
> 2018-09-05
> 
> more information about this:
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-
information.html#browser-security
>  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 (chapter
>  "About stable releases")

Thanks Stefan

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

[Dan Purgert]

Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:49:06 - (UTC)
> Dan Purgert  wrote:
>> Isn't that what Facebook, et. al. already do? It's AOL all over again.
>>
> Not quite yet. I can still invent a completely new protocol, send you
> the details, and we can exchange data over the Net using it. One day,
> ISPs will pass nothing but http/s.
>
Hm, seems like that'd break quite a lot of things that're important to
business -- SMTP, SFTP, FTP[*], AS2 ... 

[*] Please you one last holdout using our ancient FTP service, let's
move to the 21st century and use SFTP, please?
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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

[Joe]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:49:06 - (UTC)
Dan Purgert  wrote:

> Joe wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:24:42 -0500
> > John Hasler  wrote:
> >  
> >> tomás writes:  
> >> > Well, I've succeeded already with a few people moving from
> >> > gmail/outlook to posteo.de. Every little bit counts.
> >> 
> >> I'm sure we're losing ground, though.  
> >
> > If we get to the point where the majority dictates what Internet
> > facilities the rest may use, we've lost all the ground there is.
> >  
> Isn't that what Facebook, et. al. already do? It's AOL all over again.
> 
> 

Not quite yet. I can still invent a completely new protocol, send you
the details, and we can exchange data over the Net using it. One day,
ISPs will pass nothing but http/s.

-- 
Joe

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 30 August 2018 05:53:32 Dan Purgert wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 11:53:50 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 08:25:36 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> >> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> >> >> (as an aside, whoever came up with HTML-based email should be
> >> >> >> tarred and feathered).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Emasculated would be even better. :(
> >> >>
> >> >> perhaps ... but at least tarred and feathered would be a visible
> >> >> reminder to the rest of the "hey this is a great idea, nothing
> >> >> can ever go wrong" crowd.
> >> >
> >> > I dunno Dan, tar does wash off, with enough kerosene or
> >> > turpentine.
> >>
> >> Set the person responsible on fire then?
> >
> > Thats a thought, but LE would take a very dim view, and I'd druther
> > not spend my fading time where I'd get a stripped tan.
>
> "But Judge, he's the guy that facilitated the email scammers to get
> your banking credentials and take all your money ..."

ROTFLMAO!

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Re: Network issue

[Reco]

Hi.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 06:38:50AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 07:32:24AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 06:43:00PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:58:47PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > > 3) e1000e may be bad, but vmxnet3 will make oom-killer an everyday
> > > > reality. SR-IOV is a way to go.
> > > 
> > > everyday? really? when did you last try this?
> > 
> > Saw the problem with my own eyes yesterday.
> > 
> > Relatively low amount of free RAM (like 64M out of 16G) and a oom killer
> > stack trace containing tcp_sendmsg + some vmxnet3 NICs.
> > 
> > Those RHEL kernels are outright broken then it comes to memory
> > management.
> 
> Well, this is a debian list...

So? The kernel is a kernel, even if it's a RedHat fork.

Besides, I did not bring VMWare into this thread. In fact, VMWare has
nothing to do with OPs problem.

Reco

Re: Network issue

[Michael Stone]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 07:32:24AM +0300, Reco wrote:

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 06:43:00PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:58:47PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> 3) e1000e may be bad, but vmxnet3 will make oom-killer an everyday
> reality. SR-IOV is a way to go.

everyday? really? when did you last try this?


Saw the problem with my own eyes yesterday.

Relatively low amount of free RAM (like 64M out of 16G) and a oom killer
stack trace containing tcp_sendmsg + some vmxnet3 NICs.

Those RHEL kernels are outright broken then it comes to memory
management.


Well, this is a debian list...

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

[Dan Purgert]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 August 2018 11:53:50 Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 08:25:36 Dan Purgert wrote:
>> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
>> >> >> (as an aside, whoever came up with HTML-based email should be
>> >> >> tarred and feathered).
>> >> >
>> >> > Emasculated would be even better. :(
>> >>
>> >> perhaps ... but at least tarred and feathered would be a visible
>> >> reminder to the rest of the "hey this is a great idea, nothing can
>> >> ever go wrong" crowd.
>> >
>> > I dunno Dan, tar does wash off, with enough kerosene or turpentine.
>>
>> Set the person responsible on fire then?
>
> Thats a thought, but LE would take a very dim view, and I'd druther not 
> spend my fading time where I'd get a stripped tan. 
>
"But Judge, he's the guy that facilitated the email scammers to get your
banking credentials and take all your money ..."


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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

[Dan Purgert]

Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:24:42 -0500
> John Hasler  wrote:
>
>> tomás writes:
>> > Well, I've succeeded already with a few people moving from
>> > gmail/outlook to posteo.de. Every little bit counts.  
>> 
>> I'm sure we're losing ground, though.
>
> If we get to the point where the majority dictates what Internet
> facilities the rest may use, we've lost all the ground there is.
>
Isn't that what Facebook, et. al. already do? It's AOL all over again.


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Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future?

[Stefan K]

Hi,

Debian will be upgrade to Firefox 60.2 esr.,it will be available at 2018-09-05

more information about this:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.html#browser-security
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 (chapter "About 
stable releases")


On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:23:56 PM CEST Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> As far as I understend Mozilla is going to stop supporting Firefox ESR 59 
> this 
> August. Does it mean that Firefox Quantum is comming to Debian Stretch before 
> long? Is any information available?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
>