Re: Testing netinstall, but use stable release?

[didier gaumet]

Le 08/05/2019 à 22:47, Rory Campbell-Lange a écrit :
[..]
> I downloaded debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso on 29 April but having
> just tested this I'm not getting a choice of distribution. I'm in expert
> mode (console) -- perhaps I'll try again on the graphical version.
[..]

Hello Rory,

being in text mode (DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text) does not imply you are in
expert mode (priority=low)

look at: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en

Re: Testing netinstall, but use stable release?

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

Hi David

On 08/05/19, David Christensen (dpchr...@holgerdanske.com) wrote:
> On 5/8/19 10:32 AM, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > I'm setting up some servers with A2SDi-8C-HLN4F motherboards with Intel
> > x553 cards that require the ixgbe kernel module.
> > 
> > The latest stable netinstall image allows one to load the ixgbe module
> > but the network interfaces aren't seen. However, the latest testing
> > netinstall sees the network interfaces fine.
> > 
> > Is there a clever way of downgrading the installation to stable while
> > keeping the testing kernel and associated ixgbe module?
> 
> It looks like Buster uses kernel 4.19.0:
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kernel&searchon=all&suite=testing§ion=all
> 
> 
> It looks like this kernel is available as a backport for Stretch:
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kernel&searchon=all§ion=all&suite=stretch-backports
> 
> 
> Assuming the ixgbe driver is bundled with kernel packages, I would try doing
> a Stretch install and then installing the backported kernel.

Thanks very much for that information. The links with search parameters
are particularly helpful. I can confirm that the Buster kernel (at
least, in the latest testing netinstall images) has a working ixgbe
module.

I have something of a chicken-and-egg situation installing a back-ported
kernel as I can't get the machine (which is in a remote data centre)
onto the network under the stable netinstall.

Is it theoretically possible to add another kernel and dependencies to a
stable netinstall iso image? I've already constructed a custom ISO for
console redirection.

Many thanks for your advice
Rory

Re: Testing netinstall, but use stable release?

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

On 08/05/19, Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk) wrote:
> On Wed 08 May 2019 at 22:12:41 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> 
> > On 08/05/19, Rory Campbell-Lange (r...@campbell-lange.net) wrote:
> > > On 08/05/19, Andy Smith (a...@strugglers.net) wrote:
> > > > On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 06:32:43PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > > > > Is there a clever way of downgrading the installation to stable while
> > > > > keeping the testing kernel and associated ixgbe module?
...
> > > I downloaded debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso on 29 April but having
> > > just tested this I'm not getting a choice of distribution. I'm in expert
> > > mode (console) -- perhaps I'll try again on the graphical version.
> > 
> > I've just tried to install via graphical mode too and my 20190429
> > "Buster" netinstall disk has also has skipped the distribution choice
> > step using this method.
> > 
> > Is this something I should report? Thoughts gratefully received.
> 
> Not unless you intend to report your failure to read and understand the
> sentence prior to the section from the link quoted above.
> 
>   > Please use the netboot installation method.

Thanks for your advice, Brian.

Are you referring to "It is not possible to install sid from a netinst
or full CD. Please use the netboot installation method". I certainly
missed that. My apologies.

Setting up a tftp server in a remote data centre rack is something I'd
like to avoid, but I certainly can if the ability to downgrade the
installation is unique to the netboot method.

Thanks again,
Rory

Re: Help tracking down a random beep

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/8/19, Charlie Kravetz  wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2019 20:32:49 -0400
> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On my Debian Jessie system, for several hours today I've been hearing a
>> beep
>>(through my audio system / speakers / headphones) something like the beep
>> that
>>used to come out of the PC speaker (on older computers -- I don't think I
>> even
>>have that speaker connected on this computer).
>>
>>The beep occurs at fairly random intervals, varying from about 5 seconds
>> and
>>going up to as much as 5 minutes or more.
>>
>>I've tried looking at a lot of the logs, but so far I haven't found any log
>>
>>that tells me anything about that beep (the logs I've looked at include
>>syslog, messages, Xorg, kern, daemon, wtmp (??).
>>
>>Does somebody here have some suggestions on trying to track down the
>> source,
>>preferably without having to shut down any applications or the computer?
>>
>
>
> Possibly an open website? Some of those become very annoying.


I had something similar that sounded like a little 6" Elf sneezing in
my little ASUS laptop/netbook. Same deal where it was very sporadic.
It turned out to most likely be a warning that it was about to *CLICK*
off due to overheating..

$ sensors -f

...gets me what I need for now. Others may have better favorites that
provide really cool feedback. "sensors -f" provides the (hopefully
correct) CPU temps plus the threshold they're not supposed to touch.
Also provides fan speed... that's actually a number larger than zero
in mine these days. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: Help tracking down a random beep

[Charlie Kravetz]

On Wed, 8 May 2019 20:32:49 -0400
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

>On my Debian Jessie system, for several hours today I've been hearing a beep 
>(through my audio system / speakers / headphones) something like the beep that 
>used to come out of the PC speaker (on older computers -- I don't think I even 
>have that speaker connected on this computer).
>
>The beep occurs at fairly random intervals, varying from about 5 seconds and 
>going up to as much as 5 minutes or more.
>
>I've tried looking at a lot of the logs, but so far I haven't found any log 
>that tells me anything about that beep (the logs I've looked at include 
>syslog, messages, Xorg, kern, daemon, wtmp (??).
>
>Does somebody here have some suggestions on trying to track down the source, 
>preferably without having to shut down any applications or the computer? 
>


Possibly an open website? Some of those become very annoying.

-- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[Ben Finney]

Ian Jackson  writes:

> Vipul writes ("Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community"):
> > Is there a way to get isolation for work & contribution purpose to
> > keep yourself organized? I can get isolation by using Docker image
> > or install one more copy of Debian in PC and switch between them but
> > that would be painful. I want to hear from contributors &
> > maintainers Which method they are using or prefer to get isolation?
>
> schroot is a utility to help you work with chroots.
> sbuild is the build tool.
>
> To make a chroot you can use sbuild-createchroot or, err, I forget
> what it's called, schroot-buildd-setup or something ?  Maybe someone
> else will pop up with the answer.

The relatively new ‘sbuild-debian-developer-setup’ package installs a
command of the same name, which I found significantly simplifies setting
up a sufficiently-isolated standard Debian package build environment.

-- 
 \ “Do unto others twenty-five percent better than you expect them |
  `\  to do unto you. (The twenty-five percent is [to correct] for |
_o__)error.)” —Linus Pauling's Golden Rule |
Ben Finney

Help tracking down a random beep

[rhkramer]

On my Debian Jessie system, for several hours today I've been hearing a beep 
(through my audio system / speakers / headphones) something like the beep that 
used to come out of the PC speaker (on older computers -- I don't think I even 
have that speaker connected on this computer).

The beep occurs at fairly random intervals, varying from about 5 seconds and 
going up to as much as 5 minutes or more.

I've tried looking at a lot of the logs, but so far I haven't found any log 
that tells me anything about that beep (the logs I've looked at include 
syslog, messages, Xorg, kern, daemon, wtmp (??).

Does somebody here have some suggestions on trying to track down the source, 
preferably without having to shut down any applications or the computer? 

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:27 PM Vipul wrote:

> I've been using Debian from couples of years but haven't contributed yet back 
> to community.

There are a number of different ways to contribute to Debian:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help

> I want to contribute to Debian by maintaining packages and fixing bugs.

The best way to contribute is to work on packages that you use and the
best way to find opportunities for that is to install and run the
how-can-i-help package:

https://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help

> Is there a way to get isolation for work & contribution purpose to keep 
> yourself organized?

If you do not have a spare computer, the best option would be a
virtual machine, since you can then test newer versions of the whole
system. Some options for this include gnome-boxes or virt-manager.

> I want to hear from contributors & maintainers Which method they are using or 
> prefer to get isolation?

Personally I'm using Debian testing and do package building in
pbuilder chroots of unstable.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Testing netinstall, but use stable release?

[Brian]

On Wed 08 May 2019 at 22:12:41 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:

> On 08/05/19, Rory Campbell-Lange (r...@campbell-lange.net) wrote:
> > On 08/05/19, Andy Smith (a...@strugglers.net) wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 06:32:43PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > > > Is there a clever way of downgrading the installation to stable while
> > > > keeping the testing kernel and associated ixgbe module?
> > > 
> > > If you run the daily netinst in expert mode doesn't it let you
> > > pick the release you want to install?
> > > 
> > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_install_sid_.28unstable.29_with_DebianInstaller.3F
> > > 
> > > Start the installation in expert mode. After selecting a mirror
> > > you will be asked which distribution to install: stable, testing
> > > or unstable. We recommend using a daily build of the installer
> > > to install testing or unstable. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the great info. I thought I recalled something like that.
> > 
> > I downloaded debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso on 29 April but having
> > just tested this I'm not getting a choice of distribution. I'm in expert
> > mode (console) -- perhaps I'll try again on the graphical version.
> 
> I've just tried to install via graphical mode too and my 20190429
> "Buster" netinstall disk has also has skipped the distribution choice
> step using this method.
> 
> Is this something I should report? Thoughts gratefully received.

Not unless you intend to report your failure to read and understand the
sentence prior to the section from the link quoted above.

  > Please use the netboot installation method.

-- 
Brian.

Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run.

[Brian]

On Wed 08 May 2019 at 18:00:01 -, Dan Purgert wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> >
> > You have a PPD in /etc/cups/ppd for the printer. What do the
> 
> hm, nope.
> 
>   $ ls /etc/cups/ppd
>   ls: cannot access '/etc/cups/ppd': No such file or directory

Very interesting; cups-core-drivers is designed to install this
directory:

  dpkg -L cups-core-drivers | grep ppd

A broken system?

I also downloaded mfcj6920dwlpr-3.0.0-1.i386.deb (that's for Gene's
printer) and installed it with dpkg -i on a 32-bit stretch system.
No CUPSwrapper printer driver installed. I am unable to install a
print queue with the CUPS web interface, system-config-printer or
lpadmin. Gene managed it - why cannot I? And your printer also works
without a problem? Very puzzled.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Testing netinstall, but use stable release?

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

On 08/05/19, Rory Campbell-Lange (r...@campbell-lange.net) wrote:
> On 08/05/19, Andy Smith (a...@strugglers.net) wrote:
> > On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 06:32:43PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > > Is there a clever way of downgrading the installation to stable while
> > > keeping the testing kernel and associated ixgbe module?
> > 
> > If you run the daily netinst in expert mode doesn't it let you
> > pick the release you want to install?
> > 
> > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_install_sid_.28unstable.29_with_DebianInstaller.3F
> > 
> > Start the installation in expert mode. After selecting a mirror
> > you will be asked which distribution to install: stable, testing
> > or unstable. We recommend using a daily build of the installer
> > to install testing or unstable. 
> 
> Thanks for the great info. I thought I recalled something like that.
> 
> I downloaded debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso on 29 April but having
> just tested this I'm not getting a choice of distribution. I'm in expert
> mode (console) -- perhaps I'll try again on the graphical version.

I've just tried to install via graphical mode too and my 20190429
"Buster" netinstall disk has also has skipped the distribution choice
step using this method.

Is this something I should report? Thoughts gratefully received.

Rory

Re: Testing netinstall, but use stable release?

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

Hi Andy

On 08/05/19, Andy Smith (a...@strugglers.net) wrote:
> On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 06:32:43PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > Is there a clever way of downgrading the installation to stable while
> > keeping the testing kernel and associated ixgbe module?
> 
> If you run the daily netinst in expert mode doesn't it let you
> pick the release you want to install?
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_install_sid_.28unstable.29_with_DebianInstaller.3F
> 
> Start the installation in expert mode. After selecting a mirror
> you will be asked which distribution to install: stable, testing
> or unstable. We recommend using a daily build of the installer
> to install testing or unstable. 

Thanks for the great info. I thought I recalled something like that.

I downloaded debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso on 29 April but having
just tested this I'm not getting a choice of distribution. I'm in expert
mode (console) -- perhaps I'll try again on the graphical version.

> However, I think while this might run the netinst with a kernel and
> ixgbe module that works for you, it may install a kernel and module
> from stable, which apparently does not. So you may need to find a
> way to get the right kernel+module on there before you do the final
> reboot into your new install.

Good point. I'll see if I can switch to another console and do some
quick tweaking of the source listings and apt-pinning. At least I'll
have a build environment with which to compile the ixgbe modules, if the
worst comes to the worst.

Thanks for your comments.
Rory

Re: Get the timezone from an IP address

[Michael Stone]

On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 08:34:36PM +0100, André Rodier wrote:

On Wed, 2019-05-08 at 21:57 +0300, Mindaugas Celiesius wrote:

Did you check this?
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/geoip-bin

> Hi,
>
> Is there any way - or Debian package - to know the timezone from an IP
> address, or at least from a country? I have successfully used the geoip
> databases to get the country, so I could use the main city as an
> approximation.
>
> I would prefer to do this offline, though.
>
> Thanks for your insights.
>
> --
> André

Meow!


Yes, this is the one I use, bit it does not give the timezone.


Note that by default it isn't granular enough to locate the IP with 
enough accuracy to determine TZ within a country.

Re: Get the timezone from an IP address

[André Rodier]

On Wed, 2019-05-08 at 15:03 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 07:43:58PM +0100, André Rodier wrote:
> > Is there any way - or Debian package - to know the timezone from an IP
> > address, or at least from a country? I have successfully used the geoip
> > databases to get the country, so I could use the main city as an
> > approximation.
> > 
> > I would prefer to do this offline, though.
> 
> You can get a guess on lat/lon for an IP and then get the TZ for the 
> coordinates. Lots of options there, e.g.:
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16086962/how-to-get-a-time-zone-from-a-location-using-latitude-and-longitude-coordinates
> 

Thanks, I will check this as well, a lot of links!

-- 
André

Re: Testing netinstall, but use stable release?

[David Christensen]

On 5/8/19 10:32 AM, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:

I'm setting up some servers with A2SDi-8C-HLN4F motherboards with Intel
x553 cards that require the ixgbe kernel module.

The latest stable netinstall image allows one to load the ixgbe module
but the network interfaces aren't seen. However, the latest testing
netinstall sees the network interfaces fine.

Is there a clever way of downgrading the installation to stable while
keeping the testing kernel and associated ixgbe module?


It looks like Buster uses kernel 4.19.0:

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kernel&searchon=all&suite=testing§ion=all


It looks like this kernel is available as a backport for Stretch:

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kernel&searchon=all§ion=all&suite=stretch-backports


Assuming the ixgbe driver is bundled with kernel packages, I would try 
doing a Stretch install and then installing the backported kernel.



David

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[Joe]

On Wed, 8 May 2019 14:31:35 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:


> 
> And this is windows 10 HOME EDITION, so there is no place to "run as 
> admin" in the start menu's.
> 
It can't join a domain, but otherwise there's not much difference in
versions.
> 
> Anyway, in Home Edition of W10, how the heck do you get admin rights?
> 
See my other post. Also you can find the command prompt on the menu at
the left of the tile screen (left-click on Windows icon) in the Windows
System menu, right-click, More.. and Run As Administrator. I take it
you've found how to get an unprivileged user account.

> Many thanks to all that have tolerated me so far, its very much 
> appreciated.
> 
You're welcome.

-- 
Joe

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[Joe]

On Wed, 8 May 2019 14:09:16 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:


> 
> I'm also well pleased that I'm not being chastised for winders here, 
> thank you very much for that.

On the whole, Debian is for grown-ups, not the Linux nutters. I've
earned a fair bit of money from Windows in the past, and I still need a
portable Windows machine for a few external peripherals and to run my
government's tax software. I actually have two now, but the netbook was
explicitly bought to be a Debian machine and I'm just mildly happy that
Win10 still runs, mostly for occasions like this.

Simplest way now to get a command prompt: 

Right-click the white Windows symbol at the left end of the taskbar,
select Run, type cmd and Return. It's a bit primitive compared to a
*nix shell, but it does a few jobs fairly well. If you do need more
oomph, higher up on the same right-click menu is Windows PowerShell,
which I've only ever needed to use on servers.

Also further up on the same menu is Network Connections. Open this and
towards the bottom right is Change Adaptor Options. Click here, then
right-click over the Ethernet entry, and Properties will give you the
protocol selection and configuration box you haven't found.

The first Windows user *still* is root, so it should let you straight
into the Properties. You want the Windows, right-click menu again for
Settings, then Accounts, which will let you as root create new accounts
and (*after* you set up another administrator account) will let you
demote your current user to unprivileged. That's a one-way street, of
course, you'll need to login as the administrator if you want to
promote it again. Most commands can be given from an unprivileged
account, when you will need to enter administrator credentials for the
kind which would require root on *nix. It isn't sudo, it doesn't have a
timeout, you need to re-enter credentials for each task.

If you left-click on the Windows icon, you get the dreadful Win8 tile
thing, but at least it has a program list on the left. Down near the
bottom are a few Windows directories, including Administrative Tools. An
unprivileged user can right-click on these programs and select Run as
Administrator, then give credentials. It is possible to do almost
anything (finally) as an unprivileged user if you know the admin
password. Even Win7 needed an admin login to do quite a few things.

Best of luck. Just don't ever say 'yes' to anything it offers to do for
you. Even Firefox on Windows is...pushy... it wants you to set up an
account and all that nonsense.

-- 
Joe

Re: Get the timezone from an IP address

[Darac Marjal]

On 08/05/2019 19:43, André Rodier wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there any way - or Debian package - to know the timezone from an IP
> address, or at least from a country? I have successfully used the geoip
> databases to get the country, so I could use the main city as an
> approximation.
>
> I would prefer to do this offline, though.
>
> Thanks for your insights.
>

Some part of my brain said that the timezone database holds this
information, but it may not do so directly. Here's some suggestions from
IANA, though.

https://data.iana.org/time-zones/tz-link.html#boundaries

Re: Get the timezone from an IP address

[Michael Stone]

On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 07:43:58PM +0100, André Rodier wrote:

Is there any way - or Debian package - to know the timezone from an IP
address, or at least from a country? I have successfully used the geoip
databases to get the country, so I could use the main city as an
approximation.

I would prefer to do this offline, though.


You can get a guess on lat/lon for an IP and then get the TZ for the 
coordinates. Lots of options there, e.g.:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16086962/how-to-get-a-time-zone-from-a-location-using-latitude-and-longitude-coordinates

Re: Get the timezone from an IP address

[Mindaugas Celiesius]

Did you check this?
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/geoip-bin

> Hi,
> 
> Is there any way - or Debian package - to know the timezone from an IP
> address, or at least from a country? I have successfully used the geoip
> databases to get the country, so I could use the main city as an
> approximation.
> 
> I would prefer to do this offline, though.
> 
> Thanks for your insights.
> 
> --
> André
Meow!
-- 
⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ A dumb species has no way to open a tuna can.
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ A smart species invents a can opener.
⠈⠳⣄ A master species delegates.

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 08 May 2019 04:55:47 am john doe wrote:

> On 5/8/2019 10:24 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 08 May 2019 03:49:34 am Joe wrote:
> >> On Tue, 7 May 2019 18:47:50 -0400
> >>
> >> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >>> Greetings all;
> >>>
> >>> First it doesn't have a clue what to do with a wired network.
> >>> It sure wants to hook up to all the neighborhoods wifi, all of
> >>> which are secured.
> >>> Second, its like stretch seems locked to ipv6 but its ipv4 for at
> >>> least a hundred miles in any direction from  my 10-20 in North
> >>> Central WV.
> >>>
> >>> Third, I can't find a place to enter a netmask route or gateway,
> >>> its been sleeping with dhcp for way too long.
> >>>
> >>> I finally find what sort of looks like the old xp network
> >>> configurator but it error beeps at me to the entry of any address
> >>> on my local net that isn't already taken.
> >>>
> >>> So how do I convince this brand new unibody HP to use a static
> >>> wired network setup?
> >>>
> >>> In the FWIW category, it takes winders 10 about 10x longer to boot
> >>> than any of my linux machines. Makes me wonder if they should have
> >>> named it window-0.1 because it is boringly slow.
> >>
> >> Shouldn't. I have a W10 netbook, though I'm not familiar with it,
> >> it had Debian installed within a week. Boot (from definitely off)
> >> is less than thirty seconds. Booting should not be held up by
> >> network issues.
> >>
> >> Open up the properties of the Ethernet adaptor, select TCP/IPv4,
> >> Properties, then untick the automatic options. You should be able
> >> to enter values in the address, mask and gateway boxes, and specify
> >> DNS servers below. It shouldn't need a reboot.
> >
> > There is no place in that sequence to select TCP/IPv4 on this
> > machine. If ipv6 dhcp fails, you are apparently screwed. And they
> > call this an OS? Not where (and when) I went to school.
>
> Why not trying command line (netsh)?
>
netsh was able to apply a static address, but wasn't able to set a DNS.  
So I can ping all my machines by address, but can't get past the router 
because theres no dns set.

And this is windows 10 HOME EDITION, so there is no place to "run as 
admin" in the start menu's.

Next?  And I'm beat, I've been outside aiding and abetting tearing my 
yard all to h--- with a medium size Kubuto hoe.  Finding 3 more places 
where the 40 yo black waterline was leaking, so we dug all the way to 
the house and found the final leak in some galvanized fittings some 
idiot used to make the connection between the black plastic and the 
copper entering the house. 40 years ago. Fun and games NOT. If the guy 
was still living, I'd consider an Alaskan divorce, well worth the cost 
of the cartridge. He was famous for cutting every corner he could.

Anyway, in Home Edition of W10, how the heck do you get admin rights?

Many thanks to all that have tolerated me so far, its very much 
appreciated.

> --
> John Doe


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Testing netinstall, but use stable release?

[Andy Smith]

Hi Rory,

On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 06:32:43PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> Is there a clever way of downgrading the installation to stable while
> keeping the testing kernel and associated ixgbe module?

If you run the daily netinst in expert mode doesn't it let you
pick the release you want to install?

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_install_sid_.28unstable.29_with_DebianInstaller.3F

Start the installation in expert mode. After selecting a mirror
you will be asked which distribution to install: stable, testing
or unstable. We recommend using a daily build of the installer
to install testing or unstable. 

However, I think while this might run the netinst with a kernel and
ixgbe module that works for you, it may install a kernel and module
from stable, which apparently does not. So you may need to find a
way to get the right kernel+module on there before you do the final
reboot into your new install.

Cheers,
Andy

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Usefulness of adding APT::Default-Release

[David Wright]

I'm trying to ascertain what APT::Default-Release can do for me,
and what it constrains. In the output that follows, why does
APT::Default-Release prevent firefox from being upgraded?

I comment out the APT::Default-Release line and repeat after the
##. The necessary packages are in apt-cacher-ng's cache
all the time.

# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
# Fetch updates through apt-cacher-ng.
Acquire::http::Proxy "http://192.168.1.17:3142/";;
APT::Default-Release "stretch";
# 

# apt-cache policy firefox-esr
firefox-esr:
  Installed: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1
  Candidate: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1
  Version table:
 60.6.2esr-1~deb9u1 500
500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch-updates/main amd64 Packages
 *** 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1 990
990 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 Packages
990 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates/main 
amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
# 

# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
# 

#

# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
# Fetch updates through apt-cacher-ng.
Acquire::http::Proxy "http://192.168.1.17:3142/";;
##APT::Default-Release "stretch";
# 

# apt-cache policy firefox-esr
firefox-esr:
  Installed: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1
  Candidate: 60.6.2esr-1~deb9u1
  Version table:
 60.6.2esr-1~deb9u1 500
500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch-updates/main amd64 Packages
 *** 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1 500
500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 Packages
500 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates/main 
amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
# 

# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
  firefox-esr firefox-esr-l10n-en-gb
2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 43.0 MB of archives.
After this operation, 3,072 B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] ^C
# 

# cd /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng/debrep/pool/main/f/firefox-esr/
# ls -l *6.2*b ; cd
-rw-r--r-- 1 apt-cacher-ng apt-cacher-ng 42433100 May  6 12:00 
firefox-esr_60.6.2esr-1~deb9u1_amd64.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 apt-cacher-ng apt-cacher-ng   520268 May  6 12:00 
firefox-esr-l10n-en-gb_60.6.2esr-1~deb9u1_all.deb
# 

Cheers,
David.

Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run.

[Dan Purgert]

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Brian wrote:
> On Tue 07 May 2019 at 18:40:15 -, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> > There is enough misinformation in Gene's post without adding more. :)
>> > Both the LPR and the CUPSwrapper printer driver packages are required.
>> > One contains a PPD and the other a driver for conversion to the specific
>> > printer language.
>> 
>> I have never pulled in the CUPSwrapper driver, and have never had a
>> problem with the printer.
>
> You have a PPD in /etc/cups/ppd for the printer. What do the

hm, nope.

  $ ls /etc/cups/ppd
  ls: cannot access '/etc/cups/ppd': No such file or directory

>> [...]
>> But scan-to-pdf is perfectly acceptable for my scanning needs.
>
> Thanks. Nothing to do with printing, of course.

Yup.  I think from the "printer" side of things, I lose the popups about
how much toner is left -- but then again, I might've chosen to turn them
off.


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Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 08 May 2019 04:55:47 am john doe wrote:

> On 5/8/2019 10:24 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 08 May 2019 03:49:34 am Joe wrote:
> >> On Tue, 7 May 2019 18:47:50 -0400
> >>
> >> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >>> Greetings all;
> >>>
> >>> First it doesn't have a clue what to do with a wired network.
> >>> It sure wants to hook up to all the neighborhoods wifi, all of
> >>> which are secured.
> >>> Second, its like stretch seems locked to ipv6 but its ipv4 for at
> >>> least a hundred miles in any direction from  my 10-20 in North
> >>> Central WV.
> >>>
> >>> Third, I can't find a place to enter a netmask route or gateway,
> >>> its been sleeping with dhcp for way too long.
> >>>
> >>> I finally find what sort of looks like the old xp network
> >>> configurator but it error beeps at me to the entry of any address
> >>> on my local net that isn't already taken.
> >>>
> >>> So how do I convince this brand new unibody HP to use a static
> >>> wired network setup?
> >>>
> >>> In the FWIW category, it takes winders 10 about 10x longer to boot
> >>> than any of my linux machines. Makes me wonder if they should have
> >>> named it window-0.1 because it is boringly slow.
> >>
> >> Shouldn't. I have a W10 netbook, though I'm not familiar with it,
> >> it had Debian installed within a week. Boot (from definitely off)
> >> is less than thirty seconds. Booting should not be held up by
> >> network issues.
> >>
> >> Open up the properties of the Ethernet adaptor, select TCP/IPv4,
> >> Properties, then untick the automatic options. You should be able
> >> to enter values in the address, mask and gateway boxes, and specify
> >> DNS servers below. It shouldn't need a reboot.
> >
> > There is no place in that sequence to select TCP/IPv4 on this
> > machine. If ipv6 dhcp fails, you are apparently screwed. And they
> > call this an OS? Not where (and when) I went to school.
>
> Why not trying command line (netsh)?
>
I haven't found a command line, yet. But today is another day. Let me get 
one eye open simultaneously first, cold, half a pot of yesterdays coffee 
hasn't kicked in yet.  Usually takes 2 to 3 cups to get me started 
right.

I'm also well pleased that I'm not being chastised for winders here, 
thank you very much for that. I bought this machine to serve as the web 
browser/administrator for a stemlab "redpitaya" because its one of the 
only bits of test gear I could find that can measure the impedance and 
reactance of a radio stations antenna tower and draw whats called a 
smith chart showing how that antenna is tuned.  They all have a matching 
network at the base of the tower, and as other gear gets hung on the 
tower, it goes out of tune. The make has both windows code and linux 
code but the linux code doesn't work, something wrong in the comm 
protocol.  Its taken me 3 weeks to convince the maker that his web page 
serving up this stuff is broken because it feeds a linux user following 
those directions, a windows .exe, which of course does run on linux.

Backing up one directory I found the linux code kit, buckets smaller than 
the windows .exe, an all written in python3. I've apt-get installed all 
the linux stuff, python3 wrapped around matplotlib. It opens its own 
window when run, and draws the basic chart on-screen, but its missing 
the right hand column of buttons and isn't talking to the redpitaya. Its 
actually an stm32 running ubuntu in a cig pack case, and the rf bridge 
in a similar case. But the web server seems disconnected from the app 
even though the ap is running on another workspace of the linux box 
running ff and accessing it.

Take a look at:



scrolling all the way to the bottom, you'll see a chart of a moderately 
well tuned antenna. Still isn't 100% centered on frequency, but a 
transmitter feeding it wouldn't be getting more than 1 or 2% of power 
reflected back to it.  The tower I'll tune first is reflecting a good 
20% back at the transmitter, making it run hot. The transmitter maker 
has sold the owner a handfull of big toroid cores to install on the 
feedline where it leaves the transmitter, but the ferrites have 
a "curie" temperature that can be below the boiling point of water in 
some formulations, that causes a loss of magnetic properties and makes 
the toroid run hot, hot enough he's shattered 2 of them like hitting 
glass with a hammer. At about $110 a core so busted.

All that will go away if the antenna is "properly tuned", and this is the 
gear that can tell me which way to move coil clips and what have you to 
do this to achieve a chart, hopefully even better than the one at the 
bottom of the above page.  That center dot should be closer to the 
horizontal centerline than it is. Ideally the center dots should be even 
closer to the 50 ohm mark at the center.

This of course changes with the weather, phase of the moon and which side 
of your mouth you've got a chaw o

Re: update to new kernel

[Default User]

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 13:23 Marko Randjelovic  wrote:

> On Wed, 8 May 2019 11:49:18 -0400
> Default User  wrote:
>
> > So, since
> > linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64  - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
> > (signed)
> > seems to be available, why did updating not update the kernel from
> > linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64 to linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64?
>
> Because linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64 and linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 are
> two different packages, not two versions of a package. Install
> linux-image-amd64 package which depends on newest kernel version and it
> will pull linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64.
>



Thank you, Marko.

That was the solution. The kernel used to update just like any other
package. Perhaps I somehow deleted  linux-image-amd64 while removing an old
kernel recently.

Appears to be fixed now.

Re: Shell game? was Re: pmount could perhaps be of greater utility?

[KHMan]

On 5/9/2019 12:34 AM, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 08 May 2019 at 14:08:03 (+0800), KHMan wrote:

On Tue 07 May 2019 at 10:12:10 (+1000), David wrote:

On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 23:53, Erik Christiansen wrote:

On 06.05.19 09:03, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sat, May 04, 2019 at 01:48:01PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

[snipped all]

Hi Erik

Maybe you would enjoy answering this question then?
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-bash/2019-05/msg0.html



Running the result of a command execution and allowing the result to
control delimiters, dropping out of the string? Now that gives me the
jeebies, security-wise. :-)


I think you can heave a sigh of relief as I think I can show that's
not happening after all. The trick is to add   set -x   to the top
of the script (and I've set -v as well). It does appear (I think)
that the contents of the backquotes are interpreted earlier than
my working showed:

[snip]

Good tip, set -x is useful. I only know simple bash scripting. I 
am actually doing this to fix shell code syntax highlighting for 
the Scintilla edit control (Geany, Notepad++, SciTE, etc.) -- for 
this one I want to get to the bottom of this rather than implement 
its behaviour without fully understanding _why_.


[snip]

But I'm not sure how to distinguish the order of the interpretation
of \\ and \" in the above.


You need 5 backslashes to get \\x, I was trying such snippets 
earlier in the week:


$ echo "[` echo \" \x \" `]"
++ echo ' \\x '
+ echo '[ \\x ]'
[ \\x ]

Going by my theory below, the inner `` string would be read as:
 echo " \\\x "
where \\ -> \ and \" -> ". Then it is executed, and there is 
another \\ -> \ due to the "", so when the "" string is translated 
into a literal string, it becomes:

 echo ' \\x '
and the rest follows.

For double quotes:

$ echo "[` echo \" \\" \" `]"
++ echo ' " '
+ echo '[ " ]'
[ " ]

The inner `` string is first read as:
 echo " \" "
because of \\ -> \ and the " in the \\" becomes just a character 
since it is not an ending delimiter for the `` inner string. When 
executed, the " \" " string would be equivalent to the ' " ' 
literal string. The result follows.


If we try \\\":

$ echo "[` echo \" \\\" \" `]"
++ echo ' " '
+ echo '[ " ]'
[ " ]

Here, the inner `` string is first read as:
 echo " \" "
where \\ -> \ and \" -> ". When executed the " \" " string would 
again be equivalent to the ' " ' literal string. Final result is 
the same.


This would however cause an error:

$ echo "[` echo \" " \" `]"

The inner `` string is first read as:
 echo " \\" "
because of two \\ -> \ escapes. Then the " \\" " becomes ' \' plus 
an extra ".


Five backslashes will fail too, it still results in the inner string:
 echo " \\" "

Six backslashes work. It will give the interim of:
 echo " \\\" "
where " \\\" " end up as ' \" ' and the result is as predicted.



I have since been studying the bash sources, and posted another query
yesterday, see:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-bash/2019-05/msg6.html

To summarize, consider our usual examples:
echo "[` echo \" \\" \" `]" A# [ " ] A
echo "[` echo \" \\x \" `]" J# [ \x ] J

Here's a theory: Inside the inner backquotes, \" gets escaped into "
because token processing sees the current delimiter as ". (But matched
pair processing sees the inner delimiters as ``.) The \\" becomes \"
and the \\x becomes \x. The inner commands are then run as:

echo " \" "
echo " \x "


I follow that. Unfortunately, set -x appears not to show the raw line
in that state, but interprets those outer double quotes and then
reports the line in its own single quotes.


giving the expected result. When entering the matched pair processing
function for the inner ``, the delimiter stack was not updated, so the
token function still sees the current delimiter as the outer one,
which is ".


So again it appears to involve the order of interpretation.


If you study the sources, bash does make string parsing calls 
recursively as expected for this kind of thing. The anomaly I see 
is at parse.y[3734] for bash-5.0. A call is made to parse the 
inner `` string while currently parsing a "" string, so it is 
nesting, _but_ the delimiter stack is not updated.


The read_token_word function uses the delimiter stack to determine 
escaping (see parse.y[4942] and parse.y[4961]) so inside that 
inner `` string, it is running the escape behaviour for "" 
strings. So I am trying to find out if it is intentional. Is the 
inner `` supposed to be semantically part of the outer "" string? 
If so, the additional level of escaping due to execution of the `` 
inner string serves to confuse matters a lot.




This is based on what I have studied in the sources, and it doesn't
make any sense to me from a syntax point-of-view, so I hope I can
eventually get a useful and definitive answer from the bash
maintainers.


Is backquote deprecated yet? :)


Doesn't matter, since editor users will hit this scenario, then 
the downstream

Testing netinstall, but use stable release?

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

I'm setting up some servers with A2SDi-8C-HLN4F motherboards with Intel
x553 cards that require the ixgbe kernel module.

The latest stable netinstall image allows one to load the ixgbe module
but the network interfaces aren't seen. However, the latest testing
netinstall sees the network interfaces fine.

Is there a clever way of downgrading the installation to stable while
keeping the testing kernel and associated ixgbe module?

Rory

RE: debian-user-digest Digest V2019 #415

[DebianNewbie]

Gene:

I'm still using Win7, but the process should be similar on Win10:

Find "Control Panel"
Choose "View by" (Small or Large) Icons.  This shows all control panel
items.
Click "Network and Sharing Center"
Click "Change adapter Settings" (upper left corner)
Right-click "Local Area Connection" and choose "Properties"
Uncheck IPv6
Double-click IPv4
Choose "Use the following IP address:"
Fill in the blanks.
Click "OK" and "OK" to apply the settings
Click the "X" in the upper right to close the control panel
Give it a few seconds - should not need to reboot.

I've been doing that a lot lately working with OpenWrt.

NEVER shut Windows down with the power button (or by pulling or cutting the
cord ;-) ).  Find the "Start" button in the lower left corner and choose
"Shutdown".  If it says "Switch User", "Log Off", "Lock", "Sleep",
"Hibernate", or "Restart", then click the little arrow.  This will open up a
drop-down list where you can choose "Shutdown".  Next time "Shutdown" will
be the default.


David
(Old Windows user - new Linux (Debian CLI) user)


From: debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org
[mailto:debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 8:27 AM
To: debian-user-dig...@lists.debian.org
Subject: debian-user-digest Digest V2019 #415

Re: update to new kernel

[Marko Randjelovic]

On Wed, 8 May 2019 11:49:18 -0400
Default User  wrote:

> So, since
> linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64  - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
> (signed)
> seems to be available, why did updating not update the kernel from
> linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64 to linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64?

Because linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64 and linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 are
two different packages, not two versions of a package. Install 
linux-image-amd64 package which depends on newest kernel version and it
will pull linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64.

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[ghe]

On 5/8/19 7:33 AM, Gard Spreemann wrote:

> I find that cowbuilder [1] does this job fine for my needs. If I need to
> test a more involved graphical user experience for a different release
> than the one I run, I just spin up a VM.

Or you could just buy an additional computer and dban the MS bits off
the disk(s)...

-- 
Glenn English

Re: notify-send script messed up my environment

[David Wright]

On Wed 08 May 2019 at 08:33:05 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 11:23:46PM +0200, Esteban L wrote:
> > pid=$(pgrep -u $username nautilus)
> 
> This may produce more than one value.

> The script you've got is not designed to handle the case where pgrep finds
> more than one process and reports more than one PID.  It has to be
> rewritten to handle that.

… and for none. What's nautilus? :)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Shell game? was Re: pmount could perhaps be of greater utility?

[David Wright]

On Wed 08 May 2019 at 14:08:03 (+0800), KHMan wrote:
> > On Tue 07 May 2019 at 10:12:10 (+1000), David wrote:
> > > On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 23:53, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > > > On 06.05.19 09:03, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, May 04, 2019 at 01:48:01PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> [snipped all]
> > > Hi Erik
> > > 
> > > Maybe you would enjoy answering this question then?
> > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-bash/2019-05/msg0.html

> Running the result of a command execution and allowing the result to
> control delimiters, dropping out of the string? Now that gives me the
> jeebies, security-wise. :-)

I think you can heave a sigh of relief as I think I can show that's
not happening after all. The trick is to add   set -x   to the top
of the script (and I've set -v as well). It does appear (I think)
that the contents of the backquotes are interpreted earlier than
my working showed:

$ bash bash-bit
echo
+ echo

echo "[` echo \" \x \\x \\\x x \\" \\\" \" `]"
++ echo ' \x \x \x \x " " '
+ echo '[ \x \x \x \x " " ]'
[ \x \x \x \x " " ]
echo
+ echo

echo "[` echo \" \\" \\\" " \" `]"
bash-bit: command substitution: line 6: unexpected EOF while looking for 
matching `"'
bash-bit: command substitution: line 7: syntax error: unexpected end of file
+ echo '[]'
[]
echo
+ echo

#
$ 

But I'm not sure how to distinguish the order of the interpretation
of \\ and \" in the above.

> I have since been studying the bash sources, and posted another query
> yesterday, see:
> 
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-bash/2019-05/msg6.html
> 
> To summarize, consider our usual examples:
> echo "[` echo \" \\" \" `]" A# [ " ] A
> echo "[` echo \" \\x \" `]" J# [ \x ] J
> 
> Here's a theory: Inside the inner backquotes, \" gets escaped into "
> because token processing sees the current delimiter as ". (But matched
> pair processing sees the inner delimiters as ``.) The \\" becomes \"
> and the \\x becomes \x. The inner commands are then run as:
> 
> echo " \" "
> echo " \x "

I follow that. Unfortunately, set -x appears not to show the raw line
in that state, but interprets those outer double quotes and then
reports the line in its own single quotes.

> giving the expected result. When entering the matched pair processing
> function for the inner ``, the delimiter stack was not updated, so the
> token function still sees the current delimiter as the outer one,
> which is ".

So again it appears to involve the order of interpretation.

> This is based on what I have studied in the sources, and it doesn't
> make any sense to me from a syntax point-of-view, so I hope I can
> eventually get a useful and definitive answer from the bash
> maintainers.

Is backquote deprecated yet? :)

I saw Greg's followup to your new post; it seems mainly aimed at
outlawing overlapping strings and allowing only nested ones.
I guess, then, that that does prevent delimiting a string by a
quote from one level paired with one "dropping out of" (returned by)
the inner command.

Cheers,
David.
#
set -x -v
echo
echo "[` echo \" \x \\x \\\x x \\" \\\" \" `]"
echo
echo "[` echo \" \\" \\\" " \" `]"
echo
#

Re: update to new kernel

[Default User]

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 12:21 PM Tixy  wrote:

> On Wed, 2019-05-08 at 11:49 -0400, Default User wrote:
> [...]
> > And, BTW, when will Unstable ever get into the 5.x.x kernel series?
>
> Not until after Buster is released I assume.
>
> --
> Tixy
>
>

: (

Re: update to new kernel

[Tixy]

On Wed, 2019-05-08 at 11:49 -0400, Default User wrote:
[...]
> And, BTW, when will Unstable ever get into the 5.x.x kernel series?

Not until after Buster is released I assume.

-- 
Tixy

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[Ian Jackson]

Vipul writes ("Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community"):
> I've been using Debian from couples of years but haven't contributed
> yet back to community. I want to contribute to Debian by maintaining
> packages and fixing bugs. Since I'm using Debian for work purpose
> also so, I don't want to mess-up with my system by installing
> unstable packages or libraries. Is there a way to get isolation for
> work & contribution purpose to keep yourself organized?  I can get
> isolation by using Docker image or install one more copy of Debian
> in PC and switch between them but that would be painful. I want to
> hear from contributors & maintainers Which method they are using or
> prefer to get isolation?

schroot.

Really, that is the answer :-).  chroots are excellent for stopping
the unstable stuff and build-dependencies and so on from polluting
your main system.  They don't give security isolation, but that's not
usually what you want.  You want to be able to run a test version of
some program and have it access your display and your files normally.

schroot is a utility to help you work with chroots.
sbuild is the build tool.

To make a chroot you can use sbuild-createchroot or, err, I forget
what it's called, schroot-buildd-setup or something ?  Maybe someone
else will pop up with the answer.

Ian.

-- 
Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own.

If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is
a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

update to new kernel

[Default User]

Hello.

I run Debian Unstable,
Linux [user] 4.19.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.28-2 (2019-03-15) x86_64
GNU/Linux,
up to date.

Today, I did sudo aptitude -Pvv update as usual.  Result:

Current status: 0 (+0) broken, 4 (+4) upgradable, 59005 (-1) new.
There is 1 newly obsolete package: linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64

Fine. So I did sudo aptitude -Pvvv full-upgrade. Result:

sudo aptitude -Pvvv full-upgrade
The following packages will be upgraded:
  exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light manpages
4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 3,332 kB of archives. After unpacking 31.7 kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
Get: 1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 manpages all
4.16-2 [1,295 kB]
Get: 2 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 exim4-config all
4.92-7 [323 kB]
Get: 3 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 exim4-base amd64
4.92-7 [1,134 kB]
Get: 4 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64
exim4-daemon-light amd64 4.92-7 [580 kB]
Fetched 3,332 kB in 2s (1,528 kB/s)
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Processing triggers for man-db (2.8.5-2) ...
Processing triggers for systemd (241-3) ...

Current status: 0 (+0) broken, 0 (-4) upgradable, 59005 (+0) new.

Okay . . .   So is there a new kernel?

I did: uname -a
Result:
Linux [user] 4.19.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.28-2 (2019-03-15) x86_64
GNU/Linux

Then I did: sudo aptitude search linux-image
Result:

i A linux-image-4.19.0-2-amd64  - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
(signed)
i A linux-image-4.19.0-3-amd64  - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
(signed)
i   linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64  - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
(signed)
p   linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64-dbg  - Debug symbols for
linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64
p   linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit
PCs
p   linux-image-4.19.0-4-cloud-amd64-dbg- Debug symbols for
linux-image-4.19.0-4-cloud-amd64
p   linux-image-4.19.0-4-cloud-amd64-unsigned   - Linux 4.19 for x86-64
cloud
p   linux-image-4.19.0-4-rt-amd64-dbg   - Debug symbols for
linux-image-4.19.0-4-rt-amd64
p   linux-image-4.19.0-4-rt-amd64-unsigned  - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit
PCs, PREEMPT_RT
p   linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64  - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
(signed)
p   linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64-dbg  - Debug symbols for
linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64
p   linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit
PCs
p   linux-image-4.19.0-5-cloud-amd64- Linux 4.19 for x86-64
cloud (signed)
p   linux-image-4.19.0-5-cloud-amd64-dbg- Debug symbols for
linux-image-4.19.0-5-cloud-amd64
p   linux-image-4.19.0-5-cloud-amd64-unsigned   - Linux 4.19 for x86-64
cloud
p   linux-image-4.19.0-5-rt-amd64   - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit
PCs, PREEMPT_RT (signed)
p   linux-image-4.19.0-5-rt-amd64-dbg   - Debug symbols for
linux-image-4.19.0-5-rt-amd64
p   linux-image-4.19.0-5-rt-amd64-unsigned  - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit
PCs, PREEMPT_RT
p   linux-image-amd64   - Linux for 64-bit PCs
(meta-package)
p   linux-image-amd64-dbg   - Debugging symbols for
Linux amd64 configuration (meta-
p   linux-image-amd64-signed-template   - Template for signed
linux-image packages for amd64
p   linux-image-cloud-amd64 - Linux for x86-64 cloud
(meta-package)
p   linux-image-cloud-amd64-dbg - Debugging symbols for
Linux cloud-amd64 configuration
p   linux-image-rt-amd64- Linux for 64-bit PCs
(meta-package), PREEMPT_RT
p   linux-image-rt-amd64-dbg- Debugging symbols for
Linux rt-amd64 configuration (me

So, since
linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64  - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
(signed)
seems to be available, why did updating not update the kernel from
linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64 to linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64?

And, BTW, when will Unstable ever get into the 5.x.x kernel series?

Re: Laptop fails to suspend

[Sam Smith]

On 4/27/19 5:25 PM, Sam Smith wrote:

On 3/30/19 2:07 AM, Andrea Borgia wrote:

Il 30/03/19 00:56, Sam Smith ha scritto:


I have an older Lenovo T520 laptop that I've ran Debian on for years 
and I have never had any issues with putting it to "sleep" or 
suspending when closing the lid. However after upgrading from stretch 
to Buster, suspend fails to work.


While researching a similar bug [1] on my EEEpc (similar in the sense 
that it affected suspend and manifested itself after upgrade), I 
recall seeing a few bugs that specifically mentioned Lenovo:

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/

So, first thing, have a look if the issue is already known and perhaps 
fixed upstream.


Next, try these guides:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management/Suspend%20and%20hibernate 



If you want to bisect kernel changes to find out exactly when it 
broke, just use the archives.[2]


Good luck :)


[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=919227
[2] https://snapshot.debian.org/




I've spent another several hours messing with this. Most trouble 
shooting involves the computer entering suspend but not being able to 
wake from it. I've tried every possible combination of commands with 
pm-suspend, s2ram, and systemctl suspend. I've booted into single user 
mode and unloaded every possible module and that did not help (going 
into suspend just leaves the screen black and the power led flashing). 
This page: 
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt 
listed some extra trouble shooting steps. I can do any one of:

echo [devices,freezer,platform] > /sys/power/pm_test

followed by a 'echo mem > /sys/power/state'. Those work, but it fails 
when using 'processors' or 'core' for the pm_test. The debugging webpage 
states that failing the 'processors' test means: "If the "processors" 
test fails, the disabling/enabling of nonboot CPUs does not
work" and you can further diagnose by playing with 
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/online. But setting any cpu's 'online' attr 
to 0 results in the system still running, but the keyboard not 
responding and having stuff like this going to console:


INFO: task kworker/7:1:73 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
INFO: task bash:9164 blocked for more than 120 seconds.

So does this mean I have an issue with cpu hotplugging or is that normal?

Regards,




I managed to find the problem. First I booted the Buster live cd and 
tested suspending from there and it worked fine. I saved the output from 
'lsmod' and compared it with the normal system. Not much of a difference 
other than some kernel timer modules where loaded on the live cd system. 
About a year ago I had disabled all watchdog timers in the kernel as I 
was having some random reboot issues. So with that in mind...


In /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf I had:
kernel.nmi_watchdog=0
kernel.watchdog=0


And in /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf:
blacklist iTCO_wdt
blacklist iTCO_vendor_support


I commented all that out and all is well now.

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[finn]

Hi Francisco,

> Hello, I would be very interested in the answers to that, too. Vipul, I 
> suggest you subscribe to this mailing list, as well as debian- mentors. That 
> should make things easier. Cheers, Francisco

I have subscribed this mail-list using separate email address.

Cheers,
Vipul

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[Steffen Möller]

Hi Vipul,

On 08.05.19 15:26, Vipul wrote:

Hey there,

I've been using Debian from couples of years but haven't contributed
yet back to community. I want to contribute to Debian by maintaining
packages and fixing bugs.

This is very timely since the next Debian release, buster, is just
waiting for the remaining bugs to be fixed.

Since I'm using Debian for work purpose also so, I don't want to
mess-up  with my system by installing unstable packages or libraries.
Is there a way to get isolation for work & contribution purpose to
keep yourself organized?
    I can get isolation by using Docker image or install one more copy
of Debian in PC and switch between them but that would be painful. I
want to hear from contributors & maintainers Which method they are
using or prefer to get isolation?


You may decide to go for chroot environments: https://wiki.debian.org/chroot

Best,

Steffen

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[songbird]

Vipul wrote:
...
> I've been using Debian from couples of years but haven't contributed yet b=
> ack to community. I want to contribute to Debian by maintaining packages a=
> nd fixing bugs. Since I'm using Debian for work purpose also so, I don't w=
> ant to mess-up=C2=A0 with my system by installing unstable packages or lib=
> raries. Is there a way to get isolation for work & contribution purpose to=
>  keep yourself organized?=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I can get isolation by using Docker image or install one mor=
> e copy of Debian in PC and switch between them but that would be painful. =
> I want to hear from contributors & maintainers Which method they are using=
>  or prefer to get isolation?
>
> Sorry, if this a wrong place to ask this question, then where should I ask=
> ?
...
> PS: I'm not subscribed to this mailing.

  i don't reply to people so perhaps you may see this reply,
but for those who do see it.

  i think the easiest way if you are setting up a new machine
is to partition the disk or to add another disk which can be
selected by the BIOS or UEFI to boot.  works, isn't too 
complicated and can be isolated via what partitions are
mounted or ignored by each booting setup.

  VMs and booting from USB storage or other means can work
too, but i am a firm believer in that keeping something 
simple is well worth it if the complexity isn't needed
for some other purpose.

  given that 2nd generation hardware is often not that
expensive i'd really consider getting a development 
machine if i were concerned i could not keep my work
machine suitably isolated (i would not want the risk
myself so i would get a 2nd machine if i had work
responsibilities - $100-200 can get a pretty decent
system these days).


  songbird

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[Paul Sutton]

On 08/05/2019 14:32, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> Hello,
>
>   I would be very interested in the answers to that, too. 
>
>   Vipul, I sugges you subscribe to this mailing list, as well as debian-
> mentors. That should make things easier.
>
> Cheers,
> Francisco

If I also find anyone who may be interested in helping I will direct
them here too.

Paul


>
> On Wed, 2019-05-08 at 13:26 +, Vipul wrote:
>> Hey there,
>>
>> I've been using Debian from couples of years but haven't contributed yet back
>> to community. I want to contribute to Debian by maintaining packages and
>> fixing bugs. Since I'm using Debian for work purpose also so, I don't want to
>> mess-up  with my system by installing unstable packages or libraries. Is 
>> there
>> a way to get isolation for work & contribution purpose to keep yourself
>> organized? 
>> I can get isolation by using Docker image or install one more copy of
>> Debian in PC and switch between them but that would be painful. I want to 
>> hear
>> from contributors & maintainers Which method they are using or prefer to get
>> isolation?
>>
>> Sorry, if this a wrong place to ask this question, then where should I ask?
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> VIpul
>>
>> PS: I'm not subscribed to this mailing.
>>
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Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[Gard Spreemann]

Vipul  writes:

> Hey there,
>
> I've been using Debian from couples of years but haven't contributed yet back 
> to community. I want to contribute to Debian by maintaining packages and 
> fixing bugs. Since I'm using Debian for work purpose also so, I don't want to 
> mess-up with my system by installing unstable packages or libraries. Is there 
> a way to get isolation for work & contribution purpose to keep yourself 
> organized?

Hi,

I find that cowbuilder [1] does this job fine for my needs. If I need to
test a more involved graphical user experience for a different release
than the one I run, I just spin up a VM.

I'm not at all an expert, and maintain only a small number of packages,
so take this with a grain of salt.

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/cowbuilder


 Best,
 Gard

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[Francisco M Neto]

Hello,

I would be very interested in the answers to that, too. 

Vipul, I sugges you subscribe to this mailing list, as well as debian-
mentors. That should make things easier.

Cheers,
Francisco

On Wed, 2019-05-08 at 13:26 +, Vipul wrote:
> Hey there,
> 
> I've been using Debian from couples of years but haven't contributed yet back
> to community. I want to contribute to Debian by maintaining packages and
> fixing bugs. Since I'm using Debian for work purpose also so, I don't want to
> mess-up  with my system by installing unstable packages or libraries. Is there
> a way to get isolation for work & contribution purpose to keep yourself
> organized? 
> I can get isolation by using Docker image or install one more copy of
> Debian in PC and switch between them but that would be painful. I want to hear
> from contributors & maintainers Which method they are using or prefer to get
> isolation?
> 
> Sorry, if this a wrong place to ask this question, then where should I ask?
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> VIpul
> 
> PS: I'm not subscribed to this mailing.
> 
-- 
[]'s,

Francisco M Neto

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Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

[Vipul]

Hey there,

I've been using Debian from couples of years but haven't contributed yet back 
to community. I want to contribute to Debian by maintaining packages and fixing 
bugs. Since I'm using Debian for work purpose also so, I don't want to mess-up  
with my system by installing unstable packages or libraries. Is there a way to 
get isolation for work & contribution purpose to keep yourself organized? 
    I can get isolation by using Docker image or install one more copy of 
Debian in PC and switch between them but that would be painful. I want to hear 
from contributors & maintainers Which method they are using or prefer to get 
isolation?

Sorry, if this a wrong place to ask this question, then where should I ask?

Cheers,
VIpul

PS: I'm not subscribed to this mailing.

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Re: notify-send script messed up my environment

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 11:23:46PM +0200, Esteban L wrote:
> pid=$(pgrep -u $username nautilus)

This may produce more than one value.

> dbus=$(grep -z DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS /proc/$pid/environ | sed
> 's/DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=//' )

This one tries to use the value of $pid but if that variable contains
a space, tab or newline, the result of $pid is expanded unquoted, which
results in more than one argument word.

Let's say the output of your pgrep is two lines:

1700
25836

Your command gets expanded like this:

dbus=$(grep -z DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS /proc/1700 25836/environ | sed '...')

So, grep is given the following argument words:

<-z>   <25836/environ>

The -z is an option with no argument.  So the word after that is the
pattern to be searched for.  And the two words after that are the files
that grep will try to open.

Therefore, grep tries to open the file /proc/1700 and the file
25836/environ to read them and search for your pattern.

The result is

> grep: /proc/1700: Is a directory
> grep: 25836/environ: No such file or directory

The script you've got is not designed to handle the case where pgrep finds
more than one process and reports more than one PID.  It has to be
rewritten to handle that.

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[Curt]

On 2019-05-08, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> That is a laborius process, taking at least 10x what any of my linux 
> machines need to reboot. From powerup to login was at least 15 minutes.
>
> And I have been to that utility, but it has no place to disable ipv6 as a 
> whole, has lots of names in the menu I never heard of, and when I try to 

There's a IP protocol version toggle in the GUI method below.

> give it an ipv4 address, I get to 192.168.71.3 error beep, error beep, 
> and it will not take an entry past the 3. Now, I am 1st user, but no 
> place do I recall being asked for admin rights via a passwd. Not finding 
> a shutdown, I killed it with the power switch when I gave up for the 
> night.
>
> Thanks mick.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Start
Command Prompt/run as administrator
 ipconfig /all
Note fields:
 IPv4
 Subnet mask
 Default Gateway
 DNS Servers
Command: 
 netsh interface ip set address name="Ethernet0" static 10.1.2.220 
255.255.255.0 10.1.2.1

where "Ethernet0" is your network adaptor and all those funny numbers
are your funny numbers.

For DNS:
 netsh interface ip set dns name="Ethernet0" static 10.1.2.1

GUI method: Open up the Settings app/Network & Internet/IP
settings/Edit/Manual/toggle on IPV4 and toggle off IPV6 (if necessary)
and the rest is self-explanatory.

All untried.

;-)

-- 
The boys at first were very polite about my medals and asked me what I had done
to get them. I showed them the papers, which were written in very beautiful
language and full of fratellanza and abnegazione, but which really said, with
the adjectives removed, that I had been given the medals because I was 
an American. - "Another Country"

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[john doe]

On 5/8/2019 10:24 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 May 2019 03:49:34 am Joe wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 7 May 2019 18:47:50 -0400
>>
>> Gene Heskett  wrote:
>>> Greetings all;
>>>
>>> First it doesn't have a clue what to do with a wired network.
>>> It sure wants to hook up to all the neighborhoods wifi, all of which
>>> are secured.
>>> Second, its like stretch seems locked to ipv6 but its ipv4 for at
>>> least a hundred miles in any direction from  my 10-20 in North
>>> Central WV.
>>>
>>> Third, I can't find a place to enter a netmask route or gateway, its
>>> been sleeping with dhcp for way too long.
>>>
>>> I finally find what sort of looks like the old xp network
>>> configurator but it error beeps at me to the entry of any address on
>>> my local net that isn't already taken.
>>>
>>> So how do I convince this brand new unibody HP to use a static wired
>>> network setup?
>>>
>>> In the FWIW category, it takes winders 10 about 10x longer to boot
>>> than any of my linux machines. Makes me wonder if they should have
>>> named it window-0.1 because it is boringly slow.
>>
>> Shouldn't. I have a W10 netbook, though I'm not familiar with it, it
>> had Debian installed within a week. Boot (from definitely off) is less
>> than thirty seconds. Booting should not be held up by network issues.
>>
>> Open up the properties of the Ethernet adaptor, select TCP/IPv4,
>> Properties, then untick the automatic options. You should be able to
>> enter values in the address, mask and gateway boxes, and specify DNS
>> servers below. It shouldn't need a reboot.
>
> There is no place in that sequence to select TCP/IPv4 on this machine.
> If ipv6 dhcp fails, you are apparently screwed. And they call this an
> OS? Not where (and when) I went to school.
>

Why not trying command line (netsh)?

--
John Doe

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[Joe]

On Wed, 8 May 2019 03:55:03 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:


> 
> That is a laborius process, taking at least 10x what any of my linux 
> machines need to reboot. From powerup to login was at least 15
> minutes.

Very definitely not right. Maybe it feels outnumbered...

> 
> And I have been to that utility, but it has no place to disable ipv6
> as a whole, has lots of names in the menu I never heard of, and when
> I try to give it an ipv4 address, I get to 192.168.71.3 error beep,
> error beep, and it will not take an entry past the 3. Now, I am 1st
> user, but no place do I recall being asked for admin rights via a
> passwd. Not finding a shutdown, I killed it with the power switch
> when I gave up for the night.
> 

There's a box for Ethernet adaptor properties, it contains a list of
protocols with tickboxes, you should be able to turn off IPv6 and then
select IPv4 and click 'Properties'.

-- 
Joe

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 08 May 2019 03:49:34 am Joe wrote:

> On Tue, 7 May 2019 18:47:50 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > First it doesn't have a clue what to do with a wired network.
> > It sure wants to hook up to all the neighborhoods wifi, all of which
> > are secured.
> > Second, its like stretch seems locked to ipv6 but its ipv4 for at
> > least a hundred miles in any direction from  my 10-20 in North
> > Central WV.
> >
> > Third, I can't find a place to enter a netmask route or gateway, its
> > been sleeping with dhcp for way too long.
> >
> > I finally find what sort of looks like the old xp network
> > configurator but it error beeps at me to the entry of any address on
> > my local net that isn't already taken.
> >
> > So how do I convince this brand new unibody HP to use a static wired
> > network setup?
> >
> > In the FWIW category, it takes winders 10 about 10x longer to boot
> > than any of my linux machines. Makes me wonder if they should have
> > named it window-0.1 because it is boringly slow.
>
> Shouldn't. I have a W10 netbook, though I'm not familiar with it, it
> had Debian installed within a week. Boot (from definitely off) is less
> than thirty seconds. Booting should not be held up by network issues.
>
> Open up the properties of the Ethernet adaptor, select TCP/IPv4,
> Properties, then untick the automatic options. You should be able to
> enter values in the address, mask and gateway boxes, and specify DNS
> servers below. It shouldn't need a reboot.

There is no place in that sequence to select TCP/IPv4 on this machine.  
If ipv6 dhcp fails, you are apparently screwed. And they call this an 
OS? Not where (and when) I went to school.

Computers were 10,000+ 12AU7's and occupied whole floors of buildings. 6 
years after I took an 8th grade diploma and started fixing tv's for a 
living I saw the computer that graded the Iowa test, then considered the 
equ of the Stanford IQ, scoring a 147 on it. One tabloid sized Harris 
stream fed press with banks of photocells to read the dots on the paper 
at about 10 sheets a second.

I was a nerd the girls wouldn't touch because I don't think the word had 
been invented yet. Now after moving to broadcast engineering in the 
early 60's, 25 some years since with the door placard saying Chief 
Engineer, I did that till I retired in 2002, so now I'm just another old 
codger. Careing for my dying of copd wife, the third and at 30 years 
this fall, the longest.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[mick crane]

On 2019-05-08 08:55, Gene Heskett wrote:


That is a laborius process, taking at least 10x what any of my linux
machines need to reboot. From powerup to login was at least 15 minutes.

And I have been to that utility, but it has no place to disable ipv6 as 
a
whole, has lots of names in the menu I never heard of, and when I try 
to

give it an ipv4 address, I get to 192.168.71.3 error beep, error beep,
and it will not take an entry past the 3. Now, I am 1st user, but no
place do I recall being asked for admin rights via a passwd. Not 
finding

a shutdown, I killed it with the power switch when I gave up for the
night.


That's weird. Maybe you aren't administrator
Probably you can change at
Control Panel\User Accounts\User Accounts\Manage Accounts\Change an 
Account
As I said in off list post it helps to try to disable much of the 
"helpful" windows stuff.

mick
--
Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 08 May 2019 02:16:29 am mick crane wrote:

> On 2019-05-07 23:47, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > First it doesn't have a clue what to do with a wired network.
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Gene (I need some winders help ) Heskett
>
> usually bottom left corner click windows icon
> click the settings that looks like a cog
> select Ethernet / Change adapter options
> hopefully there will be a picture of your adapters
> right click / properties
> select internet Protocol Version TCP/IPv4
> [x] use the following address
> might well want to restart
>
> good luck
> mick

That is a laborius process, taking at least 10x what any of my linux 
machines need to reboot. From powerup to login was at least 15 minutes.

And I have been to that utility, but it has no place to disable ipv6 as a 
whole, has lots of names in the menu I never heard of, and when I try to 
give it an ipv4 address, I get to 192.168.71.3 error beep, error beep, 
and it will not take an entry past the 3. Now, I am 1st user, but no 
place do I recall being asked for admin rights via a passwd. Not finding 
a shutdown, I killed it with the power switch when I gave up for the 
night.

Thanks mick.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[Joe]

On Tue, 7 May 2019 18:47:50 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> Greetings all;
> 
> First it doesn't have a clue what to do with a wired network.
> It sure wants to hook up to all the neighborhoods wifi, all of which
> are secured.
> Second, its like stretch seems locked to ipv6 but its ipv4 for at
> least a hundred miles in any direction from  my 10-20 in North
> Central WV.
> 
> Third, I can't find a place to enter a netmask route or gateway, its
> been sleeping with dhcp for way too long.
> 
> I finally find what sort of looks like the old xp network configurator
> but it error beeps at me to the entry of any address on my local net
> that isn't already taken.
> 
> So how do I convince this brand new unibody HP to use a static wired 
> network setup? 
> 
> In the FWIW category, it takes winders 10 about 10x longer to boot
> than any of my linux machines. Makes me wonder if they should have
> named it window-0.1 because it is boringly slow.
> 
Shouldn't. I have a W10 netbook, though I'm not familiar with it, it
had Debian installed within a week. Boot (from definitely off) is less
than thirty seconds. Booting should not be held up by network issues.

Open up the properties of the Ethernet adaptor, select TCP/IPv4,
Properties, then untick the automatic options. You should be able to
enter values in the address, mask and gateway boxes, and specify DNS
servers below. It shouldn't need a reboot.

-- 
Joe

Re: Help, windows dummy has bought one. I need it for a job or 100

[tomas]

On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 07:16:29AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-05-07 23:47, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >Greetings all;
> >
> >First it doesn't have a clue what to do with a wired network.
> 
> >
> >Cheers, Gene (I need some winders help ) Heskett
> 
> usually bottom left corner click windows icon
> click the settings that looks like a cog
> select Ethernet / Change adapter options
> hopefully there will be a picture of your adapters
> right click / properties
> select internet Protocol Version TCP/IPv4
> [x] use the following address
> might well want to restart

Perhaps your machine doesn't come with Windows drivers for
its Ethernet hardware?

(/me runs for cover ;-P

Cheers
-- t


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