Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself.
On 6/29/19 5:07 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 07:26:34 PM Matthew Crews wrote: >> Sounds like you have a partially installed Debian Buster. This is what can >> happen when you change your sources, but you don't do a full-upgrade. >> Generally it probably isn't good to run this way. >> >> Now is a good time to upgrade to Buster at least! Buster is expected to >> release next week, and for the most part is ready for use, unless you have >> certain hardware that you want to keep on Stretch. >> >> First, I would back up your data. >> >> Next, I would change your sources to point to buster (not testing), and: >> >> $ sudo apt update >> $ sudo apt full-upgrade >> >> and fully upgrade your system to Buster. > > Are the release / upgrade notes (whatever they're called) available for > Buster? I would guess the OP should read those for other possible actions > which may be required. > Good call. Here are the current release notes (work-in-progress) https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself.
~# apt dist-upgrade to finish the task Buster is quite stable, using it on most of our machines, no glitches. On 6/29/19 4:32 PM, aprekates wrote: In my main desktop box i've always upgraded to Debian stable. But i used to wait for a point release. Anyway since i made my system a mix .. i'll do it know to clear things up. I hope! On 30/6/19 2:26 π.μ., Matthew Crews wrote: From: aprekates Sent: Sun Jun 30 00:45:12 CEST 2019 To: Subject: Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself. Thanks for the reply. You'r right. The problem was in my sources. Two weeks ago i tried sth and forgot to revert back the correct ones.. Now i wonder what damage i've done. My system booted ok . It seems like debian 9. No observable changes to login screen or KDE. Although kde info reports: Plasma 5.8.6 and uname reports Linux 4.9.0-7 Sounds like you have a partially installed Debian Buster. This is what can happen when you change your sources, but you don't do a full-upgrade. Generally it probably isn't good to run this way. Now is a good time to upgrade to Buster at least! Buster is expected to release next week, and for the most part is ready for use, unless you have certain hardware that you want to keep on Stretch. First, I would back up your data. Next, I would change your sources to point to buster (not testing), and: $ sudo apt update $ sudo apt full-upgrade and fully upgrade your system to Buster. -Matt
Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself.
On Saturday, June 29, 2019 07:26:34 PM Matthew Crews wrote: > Sounds like you have a partially installed Debian Buster. This is what can > happen when you change your sources, but you don't do a full-upgrade. > Generally it probably isn't good to run this way. > > Now is a good time to upgrade to Buster at least! Buster is expected to > release next week, and for the most part is ready for use, unless you have > certain hardware that you want to keep on Stretch. > > First, I would back up your data. > > Next, I would change your sources to point to buster (not testing), and: > > $ sudo apt update > $ sudo apt full-upgrade > > and fully upgrade your system to Buster. Are the release / upgrade notes (whatever they're called) available for Buster? I would guess the OP should read those for other possible actions which may be required.
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 8:04 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 29 June 2019 19:05:23 deloptes wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > > >> > were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. > > >> > > >> It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the > > >> Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few > > >> things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the > > >> company I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to > > >> mitigate the risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. > > >> This was a good story. > > > > > > I think your beginning date is likely right, but it took a looong > > > time for those to get flushed out of the supply pipelines. They > > > typically went for 10% of what the good stuff was worth and a lot of > > > buyers with a BOM in hand thought they were getting a good deal. > > > > > > Electrolytic capacitors are a very old tech. I even caused a > > > shortage of American made caps in the middle of the OPEC battle in > > > the '70's. I was at the time a tx supervisor for Nebraska ETV, in > > > charge of a channel 19 site NE of Norfolk NE, getting pretty close > > > to colder weather and needing a barrel of Technical Grade Ethylene > > > Glycol for making a 30% mix for transmitter coolant. As that was a > > > klystron using transmitter, you had to have extremely pure, as in > > > distilled or better coolants else the voltages involved would > > > corrode the plumbing very quickly from galvanic effects. Anyway I > > > ran up quite a phone bill locating a barrel, finally finding it > > > sitting on a shipping dock in Omaha, and bought it on the spot, > > > paying about $14/gallon. I had antifreeze for the winter, but that > > > barrel was the last in the country, and was scheduled to be shipped > > > to Sprague in Lincoln about 3 weeks after I bought it off the dock. > > > Put Sprague out of the cap business for several months and created a > > > nationwide shortage of replacement capacitors for the tv's etc of > > > the day. It was well into the next summer before caps started > > > showing up in the wholesalers shelves again. > > > > > > That rise in energy costs broke a few broadcasters and sounded the > > > death knell of klystron amplifiers. It did take something over a > > > decade to flush them, the last time I was one was in 87 or 88, when > > > I was coerced into going up the WNPB, near Morgantown, one of the > > > State of WV's educational tv stations, to see if I could get them > > > back on the air. > > > > > > Poor operator education caused them to wreck one, and they had no > > > real money to buy a new one at $130,000 or so from Varian. But this > > > was late April or early May, and the legislature had included money > > > for a new transmitter, available after 1 July. So they bought a > > > used one that was full of air, then another used one that might have > > > been usable had the half moons in the shipping crate been > > > reinstalled. But they weren't, so I unpacked it, checked for gas, > > > found very little so it seemed worth dressing it up with its > > > cavities, setting it in the magnet dolly and trying. It wasn't > > > until I was trying to seat it in the dolly that I found it was bent. > > > At that point all the state engineers declared it would not work. > > > But I thought we had one chance, and by then I was convinced I was > > > the only one in the building who actually knew how the darned things > > > worked. So I scouted around and found some masonite and cut a > > > couple pads out that could be wedged between the magnet coils and > > > the corners of the top cavity, and placed them such that the tube > > > was centered in the coils again. > > > > > > Measureing for center, I placed the iron places called wobble > > > plates back on top of the dolly and wheeled it into the cubicle & > > > hooked up the plumbing. Then I set the supply feed to Y which cut > > > the beam voltage to about 10K volts, and raised the accel voltage as > > > high negative as it would go, said a small prayer and brought up > > > beam power. Body current was high so I had a limited time to see if > > > moving the wobble plate would reduce it to a tolerable level, and it > > > did. Then I lowered the accel toward ground, wash, rinse, repeat. > > > Put the beam supply back in delta mode, wash rinse and repeat. About > > > that time I became aware that the beam was catching the gas ions and > > > was carrying them to the collector bucket and probably burying them > > > in the copper. Any way, a few minor tweaks and a tube they only paid > > > 10g's for used was on the air at 85% power and a safe and slowly > > > falling body current. And the other state engineers finally > > > understood they had been watching someone who knew what he was > >
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.
On Saturday 29 June 2019 19:05:23 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > >> > were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. > >> > >> It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the > >> Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few > >> things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the > >> company I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to > >> mitigate the risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. > >> This was a good story. > > > > I think your beginning date is likely right, but it took a looong > > time for those to get flushed out of the supply pipelines. They > > typically went for 10% of what the good stuff was worth and a lot of > > buyers with a BOM in hand thought they were getting a good deal. > > > > Electrolytic capacitors are a very old tech. I even caused a > > shortage of American made caps in the middle of the OPEC battle in > > the '70's. I was at the time a tx supervisor for Nebraska ETV, in > > charge of a channel 19 site NE of Norfolk NE, getting pretty close > > to colder weather and needing a barrel of Technical Grade Ethylene > > Glycol for making a 30% mix for transmitter coolant. As that was a > > klystron using transmitter, you had to have extremely pure, as in > > distilled or better coolants else the voltages involved would > > corrode the plumbing very quickly from galvanic effects. Anyway I > > ran up quite a phone bill locating a barrel, finally finding it > > sitting on a shipping dock in Omaha, and bought it on the spot, > > paying about $14/gallon. I had antifreeze for the winter, but that > > barrel was the last in the country, and was scheduled to be shipped > > to Sprague in Lincoln about 3 weeks after I bought it off the dock. > > Put Sprague out of the cap business for several months and created a > > nationwide shortage of replacement capacitors for the tv's etc of > > the day. It was well into the next summer before caps started > > showing up in the wholesalers shelves again. > > > > That rise in energy costs broke a few broadcasters and sounded the > > death knell of klystron amplifiers. It did take something over a > > decade to flush them, the last time I was one was in 87 or 88, when > > I was coerced into going up the WNPB, near Morgantown, one of the > > State of WV's educational tv stations, to see if I could get them > > back on the air. > > > > Poor operator education caused them to wreck one, and they had no > > real money to buy a new one at $130,000 or so from Varian. But this > > was late April or early May, and the legislature had included money > > for a new transmitter, available after 1 July. So they bought a > > used one that was full of air, then another used one that might have > > been usable had the half moons in the shipping crate been > > reinstalled. But they weren't, so I unpacked it, checked for gas, > > found very little so it seemed worth dressing it up with its > > cavities, setting it in the magnet dolly and trying. It wasn't > > until I was trying to seat it in the dolly that I found it was bent. > > At that point all the state engineers declared it would not work. > > But I thought we had one chance, and by then I was convinced I was > > the only one in the building who actually knew how the darned things > > worked. So I scouted around and found some masonite and cut a > > couple pads out that could be wedged between the magnet coils and > > the corners of the top cavity, and placed them such that the tube > > was centered in the coils again. > > > > Measureing for center, I placed the iron places called wobble > > plates back on top of the dolly and wheeled it into the cubicle & > > hooked up the plumbing. Then I set the supply feed to Y which cut > > the beam voltage to about 10K volts, and raised the accel voltage as > > high negative as it would go, said a small prayer and brought up > > beam power. Body current was high so I had a limited time to see if > > moving the wobble plate would reduce it to a tolerable level, and it > > did. Then I lowered the accel toward ground, wash, rinse, repeat. > > Put the beam supply back in delta mode, wash rinse and repeat. About > > that time I became aware that the beam was catching the gas ions and > > was carrying them to the collector bucket and probably burying them > > in the copper. Any way, a few minor tweaks and a tube they only paid > > 10g's for used was on the air at 85% power and a safe and slowly > > falling body current. And the other state engineers finally > > understood they had been watching someone who knew what he was > > doing. And while I was by then tired, it was about a day before the > > grin let my ears come back to their normal position. I spent far > > more time teaching the young operators as they came on duty how to >
Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself.
In my main desktop box i've always upgraded to Debian stable. But i used to wait for a point release. Anyway since i made my system a mix .. i'll do it know to clear things up. I hope! On 30/6/19 2:26 π.μ., Matthew Crews wrote: From: aprekates Sent: Sun Jun 30 00:45:12 CEST 2019 To: Subject: Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself. Thanks for the reply. You'r right. The problem was in my sources. Two weeks ago i tried sth and forgot to revert back the correct ones.. Now i wonder what damage i've done. My system booted ok . It seems like debian 9. No observable changes to login screen or KDE. Although kde info reports: Plasma 5.8.6 and uname reports Linux 4.9.0-7 Sounds like you have a partially installed Debian Buster. This is what can happen when you change your sources, but you don't do a full-upgrade. Generally it probably isn't good to run this way. Now is a good time to upgrade to Buster at least! Buster is expected to release next week, and for the most part is ready for use, unless you have certain hardware that you want to keep on Stretch. First, I would back up your data. Next, I would change your sources to point to buster (not testing), and: $ sudo apt update $ sudo apt full-upgrade and fully upgrade your system to Buster. -Matt
Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself.
> > From: aprekates > Sent: Sun Jun 30 00:45:12 CEST 2019 > To: > Subject: Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself. > > > Thanks for the reply. > > You'r right. The problem was in my sources. > > Two weeks ago i tried sth and forgot to revert back > the correct ones.. > > Now i wonder what damage i've done. > > My system booted ok . It seems like debian 9. No observable changes to > login screen or KDE. > > Although kde info reports: Plasma 5.8.6 and > uname reports Linux 4.9.0-7 > Sounds like you have a partially installed Debian Buster. This is what can happen when you change your sources, but you don't do a full-upgrade. Generally it probably isn't good to run this way. Now is a good time to upgrade to Buster at least! Buster is expected to release next week, and for the most part is ready for use, unless you have certain hardware that you want to keep on Stretch. First, I would back up your data. Next, I would change your sources to point to buster (not testing), and: $ sudo apt update $ sudo apt full-upgrade and fully upgrade your system to Buster. -Matt
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors >> > were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. >> >> It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the >> Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few >> things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the company >> I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to mitigate the >> risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. This was a good >> story. > > I think your beginning date is likely right, but it took a looong time > for those to get flushed out of the supply pipelines. They typically > went for 10% of what the good stuff was worth and a lot of buyers with a > BOM in hand thought they were getting a good deal. > > Electrolytic capacitors are a very old tech. I even caused a shortage of > American made caps in the middle of the OPEC battle in the '70's. I was > at the time a tx supervisor for Nebraska ETV, in charge of a channel 19 > site NE of Norfolk NE, getting pretty close to colder weather and > needing a barrel of Technical Grade Ethylene Glycol for making a 30% mix > for transmitter coolant. As that was a klystron using transmitter, you > had to have extremely pure, as in distilled or better coolants else the > voltages involved would corrode the plumbing very quickly from galvanic > effects. Anyway I ran up quite a phone bill locating a barrel, finally > finding it sitting on a shipping dock in Omaha, and bought it on the > spot, paying about $14/gallon. I had antifreeze for the winter, but that > barrel was the last in the country, and was scheduled to be shipped to > Sprague in Lincoln about 3 weeks after I bought it off the dock. Put > Sprague out of the cap business for several months and created a > nationwide shortage of replacement capacitors for the tv's etc of the > day. It was well into the next summer before caps started showing up in > the wholesalers shelves again. > > That rise in energy costs broke a few broadcasters and sounded the death > knell of klystron amplifiers. It did take something over a decade to > flush them, the last time I was one was in 87 or 88, when I was coerced > into going up the WNPB, near Morgantown, one of the State of WV's > educational tv stations, to see if I could get them back on the air. > > Poor operator education caused them to wreck one, and they had no real > money to buy a new one at $130,000 or so from Varian. But this was late > April or early May, and the legislature had included money for a new > transmitter, available after 1 July. So they bought a used one that was > full of air, then another used one that might have been usable had the > half moons in the shipping crate been reinstalled. But they weren't, so > I unpacked it, checked for gas, found very little so it seemed worth > dressing it up with its cavities, setting it in the magnet dolly and > trying. It wasn't until I was trying to seat it in the dolly that I > found it was bent. At that point all the state engineers declared it > would not work. But I thought we had one chance, and by then I was > convinced I was the only one in the building who actually knew how the > darned things worked. So I scouted around and found some masonite and > cut a couple pads out that could be wedged between the magnet coils and > the corners of the top cavity, and placed them such that the tube was > centered in the coils again. > > Measureing for center, I placed the iron places called wobble plates > back on top of the dolly and wheeled it into the cubicle & hooked up the > plumbing. Then I set the supply feed to Y which cut the beam voltage to > about 10K volts, and raised the accel voltage as high negative as it > would go, said a small prayer and brought up beam power. Body current > was high so I had a limited time to see if moving the wobble plate would > reduce it to a tolerable level, and it did. Then I lowered the accel > toward ground, wash, rinse, repeat. Put the beam supply back in delta > mode, wash rinse and repeat. About that time I became aware that the > beam was catching the gas ions and was carrying them to the collector > bucket and probably burying them in the copper. Any way, a few minor > tweaks and a tube they only paid 10g's for used was on the air at 85% > power and a safe and slowly falling body current. And the other state > engineers finally understood they had been watching someone who knew > what he was doing. And while I was by then tired, it was about a day > before the grin let my ears come back to their normal position. I spent > far more time teaching the young operators as they came on duty how to > keep it adjusted than I did trying to teach the engineers observing me > being a nerd. After all, they'd been to school, had sheepskins on the > wall. I've an 8th grade education, but have never stopped learni
Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself.
Thanks for the reply. You'r right. The problem was in my sources. Two weeks ago i tried sth and forgot to revert back the correct ones.. Now i wonder what damage i've done. My system booted ok . It seems like debian 9. No observable changes to login screen or KDE. Although kde info reports: Plasma 5.8.6 and uname reports Linux 4.9.0-7 On 30/6/19 1:19 π.μ., Dan Ritter wrote: aprekates wrote: Having 9.6 i executed: $ apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade. And now /etc/sources/sources.list points to testing and $ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) Release: 10 Codename: buster That's not a thing that is supposed to happen, and it is not a thing that I have ever observed happen. What did your apt-get update tell you about what it was going to do? Are you sure a person didn't put testing in your sources.list? -dsr-
Re: Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself.
aprekates wrote: > Having 9.6 i executed: > > $ apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade. > > And now /etc/sources/sources.list points to testing and > > $ lsb_release -a > No LSB modules are available. > Distributor ID: Debian > Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) > Release: 10 > Codename: buster That's not a thing that is supposed to happen, and it is not a thing that I have ever observed happen. What did your apt-get update tell you about what it was going to do? Are you sure a person didn't put testing in your sources.list? -dsr-
Debian9.6 upgrades to Debian 10 byitself.
Having 9.6 i executed: $ apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade. And now /etc/sources/sources.list points to testing and $ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) Release: 10 Codename: buster
Re: OT:hardware query
Martin Smith wrote: > On 28/06/2019 17:11, mick crane wrote: > > The first concern if getting a new PC is that it can play the steam > > games and they are getting really pushy what they need to work. > > I never have proper available funds for this stuff these days and > > generally buy used.. > > The idea is each year or so get something else and move the last one > > down to doing more useful work. > > That would mean it should have facility to attach 2 or more internal > > drives and slots for network cards. > > If that makes sense what advise something used for 200 UKP ? > > mick > > > if you are anywhere near london you should go to the Stratford computer fair > lots of good quality secondhand stuff General advice: - look for a generic PC, avoiding laptops and anything described as "mini". - Don't obsess over CPUs. The last 8 years have only given incremental improvements. - Look for PCIe slots on the motherboard instead of PCI. - Look for 4 DIMM slots for RAM, either DDR3 or DDR4. DDR2 is too old to find in useful quantity. - Assume that you're going to replace a spinning disk in the near future. As long as it has a sufficient number of SATA2 or SATA3 ports, you'll be fine. 4 is the minimum. - Assume that you need to replace the graphics card in order to play games. -dsr-
Re: Trying to install Audiveris
humbert.olivie...@free.fr writes: > - Mail original - > De: "Rodolfo Medina" > Envoyé: Samedi 20 Avril 2019 09:33:17 > Objet: Trying to install Audiveris > >> I'm experimenting difficulty in installing Audiveris... Anyone has already >> installed it...? Please help. > > I've got a working package of 5.1.0 in a testing phase. > > You can find the package (32 and/or 64 bits) here : > https://download.tuxfamily.org/librazik/decepas/pool/main/a/audiveris/ > > I'm very interested about feedback if you test it. > > Hope that helps. > Olivier Hi, Olvier: I just installed it successfully on my Stretch box... I'll let you know how it works... Thanks for working on it, Cheers Rodolfo
