Re: Recomaneu alguna eina ERP/CRM en català?

[Joan]

Per cert, em descuidava dir que si la necessitat estés focalitzada en
projectes / tasques, redmine seria una opció interessant, perquè a més
te un submòdul de CRM.

Si en canvi el focus son els contactes i els rols i projectes en els
que participen, jo m'inclinaria més per CiviCRM.

Responent a en Pedro:

odoo no és soft lliure, em penso, i tant ell com dolibarr tenen un
enfoc d'ERP que no sé si és el que més encaixa en el plantejament
oficial, per tant, com comentava al primer missatge, igual caldria
"forçar" l'eina, el que acostuma a ser inconvenient.

-- 
Joan Cervan i Andreu
http://personal.calbasi.net

"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
Gandhi


El Fri, 5 Jul 2019 07:08:21 +0200
Joan  va escriure:

> Jo treballo amb CiviCRM. És soft lliure i orientat a organitzacions
> del 3r sector: encaixa bé en associacions (Greenpeace), col·legis
> oficials, etc. Segur que us aniria bé en molts aspectes.
> 
> Com a ERP em sona Tryton, però no sé si encaixaria.
> 
> També es podria muntar amb drupal un sistema més a mida, si CiviCRM
> fos "excessiu". Però aquest darrer ja te integrades de sèrie les
> funcionalitats de mailing, notificacions automatitzades (via tasques),
> informes, separació de contactes usant els subtipus de contacte
> personalitzats, els grups, les etiquetes o el membership. També hi ha
> funcionalitat d'esdeveniments (cursos? projectes?) o "casos", que
> permet gestionar una mena de fluxes de treball on intervenen diferents
> rols de persones. Com tota eina "definida", orientada a una finalitat,
> si encaixa amb el que vols està bé, però si la vols agafar per fer
> algo que no és ben bé el que ofereix, llavors no sé si la recomanaria,
> perquè hackejar-la no és l'opció menys problemàtica que hi ha... En
> canvi drupal (o altres eines) amb un enfoc més de "navalla suissa",
> poden ser més interessants amb un perfil més "obert", més
> personalitzat, tot i que cal muntar moltes funcionalitats que ja
> funcionen de zero a CiviCRM/vTiger. Per cert, si volguessis provar el
> Civi, jo et recomano que ho facis amb la base de drupal, i no de
> joomla o wordpress. I si vols provar drupal, també podries mirar les
> distribucions, que venen a ser com les de linux, uns perfils ja creats
> segons una finalitat determinada. A drupal n'hi ha algunes que
> s'orienten a xarxes o col·lectius, tot i que no és la funció social la
> que demanes, sinó la de CRM (també, allà, hi ha Red Hen o CRM Core).
> 
> Pd.: perdoneu el "totxo"
> 



-- 
Joan Cervan i Andreu
http://personal.calbasi.net

"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
Gandhi

Re: Recomaneu alguna eina ERP/CRM en català?

[Joan]

Jo treballo amb CiviCRM. És soft lliure i orientat a organitzacions del
3r sector: encaixa bé en associacions (Greenpeace), col·legis oficials,
etc. Segur que us aniria bé en molts aspectes.

Com a ERP em sona Tryton, però no sé si encaixaria.

També es podria muntar amb drupal un sistema més a mida, si CiviCRM fos
"excessiu". Però aquest darrer ja te integrades de sèrie les
funcionalitats de mailing, notificacions automatitzades (via tasques),
informes, separació de contactes usant els subtipus de contacte
personalitzats, els grups, les etiquetes o el membership. També hi ha
funcionalitat d'esdeveniments (cursos? projectes?) o "casos", que
permet gestionar una mena de fluxes de treball on intervenen diferents
rols de persones. Com tota eina "definida", orientada a una finalitat,
si encaixa amb el que vols està bé, però si la vols agafar per fer algo
que no és ben bé el que ofereix, llavors no sé si la recomanaria,
perquè hackejar-la no és l'opció menys problemàtica que hi ha... En
canvi drupal (o altres eines) amb un enfoc més de "navalla suissa",
poden ser més interessants amb un perfil més "obert", més
personalitzat, tot i que cal muntar moltes funcionalitats que ja
funcionen de zero a CiviCRM/vTiger. Per cert, si volguessis provar el
Civi, jo et recomano que ho facis amb la base de drupal, i no de joomla
o wordpress. I si vols provar drupal, també podries mirar les
distribucions, que venen a ser com les de linux, uns perfils ja creats
segons una finalitat determinada. A drupal n'hi ha algunes que
s'orienten a xarxes o col·lectius, tot i que no és la funció social la
que demanes, sinó la de CRM (també, allà, hi ha Red Hen o CRM Core).

Pd.: perdoneu el "totxo"

-- 
Joan Cervan i Andreu
http://personal.calbasi.net

"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
Gandhi


El Thu, 4 Jul 2019 23:09:13 +0200
Alex Muntada  va escriure:

> [He enviat un correu idèntic a la llista de Caliu per evitar
> problemes amb l'enviament creuat de missatges]
> 
> Hola,
> dins el marc del programa Nexus24 per aconseguir que el personal
> de la UPC treballi de forma col·laborativa el 2024, ens trobem
> amb la necessitat de fer seguiment de quines persones participen
> en els diferents projectes i rols que anem desenvolupant. Fins
> ara, per fer inventari i mètriques hem estat utilitzant fulls de
> càlcul però ens trobem que hi ha molta informació desorganitzada,
> duplicada i perduda.
> 
> He començat fent una petita prova de concepte amb una base de
> dades de persones, però m'adono que potser ens sortiria més a
> compte utilitzar alguna eina ERP/CRM per fer la gestió de les
> persones, el seguiment dels projectes, les notificacions per
> correu corresponents als participants, l'obtenció de mètriques
> i fins i tot la generació de pàgines web per a Nexus24.
> 
> Algú de vosaltres té alguna recomanció d'una eina que estigui
> en català? Jo tinc una mica d'experiència amb vtiger (em va
> semblar molt gros i feixuc) i he mirat una mica Dolibarr, que
> té millor pinta però no l'he provat encara.
> 
> Salut!
> Alex
> 
> --
>   ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
>   ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁   Alex Muntada 
>   ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   Debian Developer  log.alexm.org
>   ⠈⠳⣄
> 



-- 
Joan Cervan i Andreu
http://personal.calbasi.net

"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
Gandhi

Re: Debian Buster RC2 : Mise en veille systématique

[Jean-Michel OLTRA]

Bonjour,


Le jeudi 04 juillet 2019, Christian Quentin a écrit...


> Que je clique sur le bouton Eteindre/Redémarrer ou que je tape halt dans
> un terminal (ou shutdown now), le résultat est le même : le PC met très
> longtemps à s'éteindre et finalement se met en veille. J'ai un petit
> voyant lumineux qui confirme que le PC (un portable HP 15_bw0xx) reste
> sous tension.

Et avec `systemctl poweroff`, ça fait pareil ?


-- 
jm

Re: How to have password shown?

[Richard Hector]

On 4/07/19 3:34 AM, Reco wrote:
> You cannot change your fingerprint (legally, that is).

Say what? Are you saying there's a jurisdiction in which it's illegal
for me to sand off, cut, or otherwise mutillate my own fingerprint?

Richard



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Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[andreimpopescu]

On Jo, 04 iul 19, 04:42:40, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 04 July 2019 03:16:31 andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > 3. Information on anything (and I do mean anything) else you might
> > have done to your network configuration after installing buster,
> > including but not limited to:
> >  * installing stuff, especially if from source
> First, on a u-booting raspi you don't "install". You either download an 
> image and put it on a u-sd card with dd, or you generate your own image.
> 
> Which is what I have done by using a utility from guysoft called 
> RealtimePi, which takes the June 20th version of raspian buster lite 
> apart, and supposedly puts it back together with a realtime patched 
> version of a compatible kernel, which should have been a 4.19.50-rt-v7 
> kernel, but when put on a u-sd, and the u-sd booted, turns out to have 
> the unpatched kernel in it.  Why I watched it spend an hour building the 
> older 4.4.114-rt-v7 kernel and then it didn't use it is something I have 
> not found yet in the build.log. Which I can't get to ATM because ssh 
> isn't working either.

Just the fact that you are running Raspbian instead of pure Debian is 
already an important clue and possibly a major hindrance in helping you 
(we don't know what other customizations have been done to that).

I will bet you this though: that image has usable dpkg and apt. If I'm 
right, do you promise to put the "shotgun" away? :)

If I'm wrong I offer to dig up my Raspberry Pi and try to reproduce your 
problems.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: armv7 vs buster sudo complains about hostname or something

[andreimpopescu]

On Jo, 04 iul 19, 03:30:55, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 04 July 2019 02:47:50 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > I seem to recall sudo cares about /etc/hosts.
> 
> But I have that address TAB hostname.domain.name TAB alias in the hosts 
> file. No errors there.

How about showing us (attaching) the complete file ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Kiddie - encyclopedia

[Bagas Sanjaya]

Paul Sutton:

Hi

Just found the 'kiddie' encyclopedia website as a link on a school
website.  There is an entry for Debian which as you can see some of
which has not been updated since version 6.0

https://kids.kiddle.co/Debian

I don't mind offering to help them update the page so my first question is

Are the community happy for me to do this via their web form

In which case can I have some help with this, so the table that ends
with squeeze (6) needs updating with the other information.l  I would
update this to include some info on Buster. The LTS cut off date for
Lenny also needs to be included.  oddly there is a screenshot from
Jessie at the top of that page.


Just thought I would ask

Regards

Paul

Well, after inspecting the site it looks like the content was scraped from 
Wikipedia, as stated below in the footer:
Kiddle encyclopedia articles are based on selected content and facts 
from Wikipedia , rewritten for children and 
students. 

Unlike Wikipedia, there is no visible "Edit Article" button which every one 
(including you) can edit, nor wiki login
and registration page. Also there is only online contact form to contact kiddle 
webmasters.

Regarding scraped content, Google says:
Purely scraped content, even from high-quality sources, may not 
provide any added value to your users without additional useful 
services or content provided by your site; it may also constitute 
copyright infringement in some cases.

In kiddle encyclopedia case, the webmasters scraped Wikipedia content and 
modified it so that it was written for
children.

Special:Log link also not found, so kiddle webmasters hid their scraping trace.

I CC'ed this message to debian-publicity to let them know about out-of-date 
information found on kiddle encyclopedia.

Cheers, Bagas

Re: [OT] send all email from certain From: addresses into a spam

[Joel Roth]

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 06:30:32PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > I'm merely curious why you have to write a new program for this.
> > I mean, there are maildrop and procmail for client-side and sieve for
> > the server-side already.
> 
> procmail might have worked, but it's more of a pain to learn procmail
> than it is to write my own filter.  I also get more flexibility this way.
> 
> The write-up of my approach is at
> .

Cool.

For those who are friendly with perl, Email::Filter or
Email::Filter::Rules provides a less cryptic alternative to
procmail. I use Email::Filter with Net::IMAP::Client so that
I run one filter process per mail check, rather than one
process per mail when triggering the filter from a .forward
file.

-- 

Joel Roth

"Welcome to the World Heat Bank, where we store your waste
energy and return it with interest"

openldap e arquivo ldif

[Caio Ferreira]

Lista

Continuando os meus estudos para a LIPC 202-450, agora eu estou na parte do
LDAP. Montei um servidor openLDAP e aparentemente esta funcionado tudo
corretamente. Mas quando eu tento criar um usuário através de um arquivo
LDIF, aparece uma mensagem de erro, mensagem abaixo, indicando que existe
algum erro de sintaxe ou faltando importar algum schema. Alguém por acaso
conhece algum site ou programa para testar o arquivo LDIF para verificar se
existe algum problema de sintaxe ?

ldap_add: Invalid syntax (21)
additional info: objectClass: value #0 invalid per syntax

arquivo usuario.ldif

dn: uid=marcos,ou=users,dc=particula,dc=local
uid: marcos
cn: marcos
objectClass: shadowAccount
objectClass: top
objectClass: person
objectClass: inetOrgPerson
objectClass: posixAccount
userPassword: {SSHA}NkIkNTIA+vhCZlIGKe+L6mwKZlNFjF4Z
shadowLastChange: 17016
shadowMin: 0
shadowMax: 9
shadowWarning: 7
loginShell: /bin/bash
uidNumber: 1003
gidNumber: 1003
homeDirectory: /home/marcos
sn: marcos
mail: marcos@particula.local

Desde já eu agradeço pela atenção.

 .''`.   Caio Abreu Ferreira
: :'  :  abreuf...@gmail.com
`. `'`   Debian User
  `-

Re: Debian Buster RC 2 wont start GUI on a Radeon HD 5750

[aprekates]

I reported an issue to the debian-installer
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931436

As i found, the firmware included installers are unofficial
but since they do exist why not correct them.

Also i'm curious why i dont remember having issue with
the same GPU in my previous debian 9 install .

Also i'd like to see some hardware statistics of the debian
users.

Alexandros.


On 1/7/19 7:30 μ.μ., aprekates wrote:

Is that sth that can be corrected , or is
happening due to legal issues ?

But in the installer there is the option to use
non-free packages. So shouldnt that be reported
as an issue?

Alexandros

On 1/7/19 1:41 μ.μ., basti wrote:

Hello,
you need:

firmware-amd-graphics *and*
firmware-linux-nonfree

I had a similar Problem last week.

livres électroniques et verrous de protection

[Bernard Schoenacker]

bonjour,

je souhaiterai acquérir plusieurs livres électroniques
sur la plateforme d'un GAFAM et son format est protégé
par des verrous ...

comment être sûr que ça passe sans soucis avec les 
logiciels existants comme calibre ou fbreader ?

merci pour votre aimable attention

slt
bernard

Re: [OT] send all email from certain From: addresses into a spam

[Celejar]

On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 18:17:36 +0300
Reco  wrote:

...

> For instance, your e-mail has this References header:
> 
> References: 
> <20190703153922.gz2...@eeg.ccf.org>
> 
> 
> So, assuming that you wish to block threads that are started by me,
> participated by me, etc, you'll need (:h should correctly process a
> multiline header):
> 
> if ( /^From:.*recovery...@enotuniq.net/:h )
>   to /dev/null
> if ( /^References:.*enotuniq.net/:h )
>   to /dev/null
> 
> But that assumes that everybody in the thread are using a sane e-mail
> client. And relies on Message-ID that can include literally anything
> (but it does include a domain most of the time).

Wait, but wouldn't that block any threads referring to any mail sent
from any address at the specified domain? This might work fine for a
small domain, but it's going to be bad for mail coming from Gmail
accounts ...

Celejar

Re: kde kmail to much email Unable to fetch item from backend

[Keith Christian]

I have no suggestions for your Kmail problem, you might try Thunderbird and
see if that does the job or else email the KDE team.

Keith

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 10:56 AM Thomas  wrote:

> Hello,
> I have an Gmail Mail account and lots of email.
> Iam not able to open this folder succesfull anymore.
> After some time I get this message.
>
> Unable to fetch item from backend (collection -1) Unable to retrieve item
> from
> resource.
>
> Whats the problem and how solve it.
>
> Thanks Thomas
>
>

Recomaneu alguna eina ERP/CRM en català?

[Alex Muntada]

[He enviat un correu idèntic a la llista de Caliu per evitar
problemes amb l'enviament creuat de missatges]

Hola,
dins el marc del programa Nexus24 per aconseguir que el personal
de la UPC treballi de forma col·laborativa el 2024, ens trobem
amb la necessitat de fer seguiment de quines persones participen
en els diferents projectes i rols que anem desenvolupant. Fins
ara, per fer inventari i mètriques hem estat utilitzant fulls de
càlcul però ens trobem que hi ha molta informació desorganitzada,
duplicada i perduda.

He començat fent una petita prova de concepte amb una base de
dades de persones, però m'adono que potser ens sortiria més a
compte utilitzar alguna eina ERP/CRM per fer la gestió de les
persones, el seguiment dels projectes, les notificacions per
correu corresponents als participants, l'obtenció de mètriques
i fins i tot la generació de pàgines web per a Nexus24.

Algú de vosaltres té alguna recomanció d'una eina que estigui
en català? Jo tinc una mica d'experiència amb vtiger (em va
semblar molt gros i feixuc) i he mirat una mica Dolibarr, que
té millor pinta però no l'he provat encara.

Salut!
Alex

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Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 July 2019 16:05:09 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 08:56:45PM +0100, Tixy wrote:
> > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 20:01 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Thu 04 Jul 2019 at 19:18:13 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > I'd also consider exterminating avahi with extreme prejudice,
> > > > i.e. 'apt
> > > > purge avahi-daemon'. Really simplifies things. Not installing
> > > > this software in the first place works even better.
> > >
> > > Gene Heskett can follow this advice if he wishes. It is to be
> > > hoped that every other user ignores it.
> >
> > Why? It's advice I decided for myself 10 or more years ago after
> > seeing constant reports of zeroconf bugs in various OSes and kit,
> > and realising that sort of thing was also running on my Linux
> > machines. The whole idea of automagically setting up networks just
> > sounds like a problem and security hole waiting to happen. So I
> > decided to nuke it from orbit, it was the only safe thing to do.
>
> As always, all generalizations suck. Some do avahi, others don't (full
> disclosure: I am in the "don't" camp, as many may have guessed :-)
>
> Still, I dislike such statements as "exterminate". But YMMV.
>
> Cheers
> -- t
In this case, it made zero difference. It. nsswtch, dhcpd and all its ilk 
have been purged, but the default routes remain stubbornly, even over 
powerdown reboots, at 169.254.0.0/16. I next will grep the whole system 
looking for it and any file containing it will get edited to replace it 
with MY 192.168.nn/24 domain. If that doesn't fix it, it gets nuked. 
Since It nothing but a 64GB u-sd card I can rewrite in 10 minutes, I 
officially don't care if I destroy its ability to boot. It also has a 
duff kernel, RealtimePi having been watched as it spent an hour building 
a 4.4.114 rt kernel, but then reused the 4.19.50 kernel in the original 
image's zip. So I wind up with an identicaly functioning 2019-06-20 
buster image for nominally 4 hours work by the pi 3b.

I do have a good stretch version but with an earlier rt kernel, which 
works very well except for the nominal 2 frames a second video speeds. 
latency-test reports 28 u-secs of jitter in the 1 kilohertz servo 
thread, compared to a jessie builds 70+ microseconds.

Buster however is supposed to have faster video, but w/o a network I 
can't install the test tools to measure it, this is the main pusher to 
make buster work.  And I can't measure the video speeds without a 
network.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[andreimpopescu]

On Jo, 04 iul 19, 11:40:30, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > 1. content of /etc/network/interfaces and all files under
> > /etc/network/interfaces.d/
> pi@picnc:~ $ cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/*

Is below the literal output of the cat above?

Please post also /etc/network/interfaces.

> auto eth0
> 
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 192.168.71.12/24
> gateway 192.168.71.1
> post-up echo 1 > /proc/sysy/ipv6/conf/$IFACE/disable_ipv6
> 
> Which the last line disables ipv6  on this machines mostly stretch install.

It doesn't, but IPv6 is not your problem anyway.

> > (I seem to recall you are using ifupdown)
> What ever works. More often than not, a reboot.

'ifupdown' is the name of the package providing /etc/network/interfaces.

> But if I reboot it from
> here, I'll have to go to that machine and restart ssh, so lets start 
> with fixing that.
> >
> > 2. Full output of:
> > apt list --installed 'network-manager*' # might be empty
> pi@picnc:~ $ sudo apt list --installed 'network-manager*'
> Listing... Done
> 
> > apt list --installed 'avahi*' # might be empty
> pi@picnc:~ $ sudo apt list --installed 'avahi*'
> Listing... Done
> avahi-daemon/testing,now 0.7-4+b1 armhf [installed]

In my understanding 169.254.*.* addresses are configured by 
avahi-autoipd, not avahi-daemon, so this is also not your problem.

> > systemctl status systemd-networkd
> pi@picnc:~ $ sudo systemctl status systemd-networkd
> ● systemd-networkd.service - Network Service
>Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd.service; disabled; 
> vendor preset: enabled)
>Active: inactive (dead)
>  Docs: man:systemd-networkd.service(8)
 
systemd-networkd is also not running, so you can stop blaming systemd.

> > ip a # short for 'ip address'
> pi@picnc:~ $ ip a
> 1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group 
> default qlen 1000
> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP 
> group default qlen 1000
> link/ether b8:27:eb:d3:47:2d brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet 192.168.71.12/24 brd 192.168.71.255 scope global eth0
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet 169.254.163.253/16 brd 169.254.255.255 scope global noprefixroute 
> eth0
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

This is not a problem.

> inet6 fe80::1445:918c:cf73:6a79/64 scope link
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 3: wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state 
> DOWN group default qlen 1000
> link/ether b8:27:eb:86:12:78 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 
> > ip r # short for 'ip route'
> pi@picnc:~ $ ip r
> default dev eth0 scope link src 169.254.163.253 metric 202

But this is...

In addition to the full /etc/network/interfaces please post also the 
output of

pgrep -a dhcp

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[tomas]

On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 09:42:11PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 04 Jul 2019 at 22:05:09 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > As always, all generalizations suck. Some do avahi, others don't (full
> > disclosure: I am in the "don't" camp, as many may have guessed :-)
> 
> If nobody objects I would like to reword that statement. Many, many
> users will have avahi-daemon on their systems; a few won't. The idea
> that
> 
>   > Not installing this software in the first place works even better.
> 
> requires clarification.

Clever move :-)

Cheers
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Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Brian]

On Thu 04 Jul 2019 at 22:05:09 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 08:56:45PM +0100, Tixy wrote:
> > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 20:01 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Thu 04 Jul 2019 at 19:18:13 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > I'd also consider exterminating avahi with extreme prejudice, i.e.
> > > > 'apt
> > > > purge avahi-daemon'. Really simplifies things. Not installing this
> > > > software in the first place works even better.
> > > 
> > > Gene Heskett can follow this advice if he wishes. It is to be hoped
> > > that every other user ignores it.
> > 
> > Why? It's advice I decided for myself 10 or more years ago after seeing
> > constant reports of zeroconf bugs in various OSes and kit, and
> > realising that sort of thing was also running on my Linux machines. The
> > whole idea of automagically setting up networks just sounds like a
> > problem and security hole waiting to happen. So I decided to nuke it
> > from orbit, it was the only safe thing to do.
> 
> As always, all generalizations suck. Some do avahi, others don't (full
> disclosure: I am in the "don't" camp, as many may have guessed :-)

If nobody objects I would like to reword that statement. Many, many
users will have avahi-daemon on their systems; a few won't. The idea
that

  > Not installing this software in the first place works even better.

requires clarification.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Accents

[Ernest Adrogué]

2019-07- 4, 21:16 (+0200); Jordi escriu:
> 
> Doncs tens rao, a l'xterm els accents si que van be. Pero a la resta
> d'aplicacions que faig servir, gnome-terminal, firefox, evolution,
> libreoffice, etc etc
> no van be. Per aixo he instal·lat  Xfce4 que crec, que no es un fork de
> gnome2 i pensava que podria tenir una solucio. Sembla que anem pel bon
> cami, pero ja se m'escapa.

Això sembla indicar que el problema no és del sistema X Window, ja que
xterm funciona bé i xterm només fa crides a X, per tant probablement és
alguna cosa relacionada amb la biblioteca GTK (tant Gnome com Xfce fan
servir GTK)

Una cosa que pots provar és obrir alguna d'aquestes aplicacions forçant
el mètode d'entrada "simple" i mirar si et deixa escriure accents, per
exemple des d'un terminal

$ GTK_IM_MODULE=gtk-im-context-simple firefox


Salut

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[tomas]

On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 08:56:45PM +0100, Tixy wrote:
> On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 20:01 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 04 Jul 2019 at 19:18:13 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > I'd also consider exterminating avahi with extreme prejudice, i.e.
> > > 'apt
> > > purge avahi-daemon'. Really simplifies things. Not installing this
> > > software in the first place works even better.
> > 
> > Gene Heskett can follow this advice if he wishes. It is to be hoped
> > that every other user ignores it.
> 
> Why? It's advice I decided for myself 10 or more years ago after seeing
> constant reports of zeroconf bugs in various OSes and kit, and
> realising that sort of thing was also running on my Linux machines. The
> whole idea of automagically setting up networks just sounds like a
> problem and security hole waiting to happen. So I decided to nuke it
> from orbit, it was the only safe thing to do.

As always, all generalizations suck. Some do avahi, others don't (full
disclosure: I am in the "don't" camp, as many may have guessed :-)

Still, I dislike such statements as "exterminate". But YMMV.

Cheers
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Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Tixy]

On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 20:01 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 04 Jul 2019 at 19:18:13 +0300, Reco wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I'd also consider exterminating avahi with extreme prejudice, i.e.
> > 'apt
> > purge avahi-daemon'. Really simplifies things. Not installing this
> > software in the first place works even better.
> 
> Gene Heskett can follow this advice if he wishes. It is to be hoped
> that every other user ignores it.

Why? It's advice I decided for myself 10 or more years ago after seeing
constant reports of zeroconf bugs in various OSes and kit, and
realising that sort of thing was also running on my Linux machines. The
whole idea of automagically setting up networks just sounds like a
problem and security hole waiting to happen. So I decided to nuke it
from orbit, it was the only safe thing to do.

-- 
Tixy

Re: Égaliseur virtuel

[Nicolas Dobigeon]

Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 10:06, didier gaumet  a
écrit :

> Le 04/07/2019 à 00:12, hamster a écrit :
> > Le 03/07/2019 à 23:46, benoit...@ouvaton.org a écrit :
> >> Je me suis mal exprimé dans mon précédant post.
> >> Ce que je recherche est un égaliseur virtuel.
> >
> > http://linuxmao.org/Cat%C3%A9gorie+effets+audio
> > Je te laisse chercher le mot "égaliseur" (avec un accent sur le é) dans
> > la colonne "description".
>
> pour compléter la réponse de Hamster, si tu as juste besoin d'un
> égaliseur lors du visionnage de vidéos ou de l'écoute de musique, si tu
> utilises VLC pour ça, il n'y a besoin de rien installer, VLC dispose
> d'un égaliseur graphique 10 bandes (Menu Outils / Effets et Filtres)
>

Hello,

Encore en complément,

En attendant que quelqu'un de plus compétent que moi te donne une astuce
pour avoir un égaliseur graphique "system-wide",
Tu peux utiliser l'extension Firefox "Audio Equalizer" que j'utilise au
quotidien et qui permets de manipuler les fréquences sur tes onglets
Firefox.
Grace à ca, à toi le coup de boost sur les basses sur Youtube par exemple.

C'est toujours moi bien qu'un réglage ayant effet sur tout le système, mais
si ça peut te rendre service =) Déja ça de gagner =)
Bonne soirée.

Nicolas D.

Re: Accents

[Jordi]

Doncs tens rao, a l'xterm els accents si que van be. Pero a la resta
d'aplicacions que faig servir, gnome-terminal, firefox, evolution,
libreoffice, etc etc
no van be. Per aixo he instal·lat  Xfce4 que crec, que no es un fork de
gnome2 i pensava que podria tenir una solucio. Sembla que anem pel bon
cami, pero ja se m'escapa.
Salutacions
Jordi



El dj 04 de 07 de 2019 a les 19:54 +0200, en/na Ernest Adrogué va
escriure:
> 2019-07- 4, 19:18 (+0200); Jordi escriu:
> > 
> > Després de tancar sessió
> > 
> > [...] 
> > KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
> > root 0x1d9, subw 0x0, time 1068673, (136,87), root:(1621,829),
> > state 0x2000, keycode 0 (keysym 0xe0, agrave), same_screen YES,
> > XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
> > XmbLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c3 a0)
> > "à"<---
> > ---
> > XFilterEvent returns: False
> 
> Llavors, entenc que quan prems la tecla d'accent obert i "a" a la
> finestra de l'xev, el terminal mostra el caràcter "à" correctament,
> però
> en aquest mateix terminal quan prems les mateixes tecles mostra "`a"
> enlloc de "à"?
> 
> Si és així, en un xterm (no el terminal de Gnome o XFCE), també fa el
> mateix o va bé?
> 
> Salut
> 

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Brian]

On Thu 04 Jul 2019 at 19:18:13 +0300, Reco wrote:

[...]

> I'd also consider exterminating avahi with extreme prejudice, i.e. 'apt
> purge avahi-daemon'. Really simplifies things. Not installing this
> software in the first place works even better.

Gene Heskett can follow this advice if he wishes. It is to be hoped
that every other user ignores it.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Accents

[Ernest Adrogué]

2019-07- 4, 19:18 (+0200); Jordi escriu:
>
> Després de tancar sessió
> 
> [...] 
> KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
> root 0x1d9, subw 0x0, time 1068673, (136,87), root:(1621,829),
> state 0x2000, keycode 0 (keysym 0xe0, agrave), same_screen YES,
> XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
> XmbLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c3 a0)
> "à"<--
> XFilterEvent returns: False

Llavors, entenc que quan prems la tecla d'accent obert i "a" a la
finestra de l'xev, el terminal mostra el caràcter "à" correctament, però
en aquest mateix terminal quan prems les mateixes tecles mostra "`a"
enlloc de "à"?

Si és així, en un xterm (no el terminal de Gnome o XFCE), també fa el
mateix o va bé?

Salut

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

[Curt]

On 2019-07-04, Michael Stone  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 11:26:39AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> If it had been done 10 years ago it wouldn't need to be done now. :)
>
> (General observation: it's really quite annoying that you remove all 
> attribution when you quote previous emails in your replies.)
>

It really is very annoying, primarily because it's intentional, and so
intentionally annoying, which is really, really annoying.

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restoration of microcirculation and molecular and cellular activity after a
prolonged post-mortem interval." in Nature. 

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Lee]

On 7/4/19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Thursday 04 July 2019 03:16:31 andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Mi, 03 iul 19, 21:03:19, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 03 July 2019 16:12:31 Reco wrote:
>> >
>> > And Gene moved. Question unanswered yet.
>> >
>> > >  Hi.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:57:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > > > Regardless of what I do, I cannot get rid of the avahi junk in
>> > > > an ip a report, so my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 net is the only
>> > > > thing that works. pinging a net name like yahoo.com gets me a
>> > > > successful address. But no response from yahoo because its
>> > > > sending the ping from an avahi based address, which since thats
>> > > > outside of my /24 netmask, doesn't get thru the router.
>> > > >
>> > > > So, how do I get rid of the avahi stuff?
>> > > >
>> > > > I've a nominally 10 machine 192.168.nn.xx that is 100% static
>> > > > based on host files so I want avahi absolutely and totally
>> > > > neutered, emasculated, gone Forever plus 100 years at least.
>> > > >
>> > > > How can I do that?
>>
>> It's not necessarily avahi doing that. A DHCP client might also
>> configure a 169.254.*.* address for you if it doesn't receive a reply.
>>
>> In order to have the slightest chance of helping you it is necessary
>> for you to provide the information as per below.
>>
>> Files should preferably be attached, to avoid issues with copy-paste.
>>
>> Please do not edit anything except to obscure private information
>> (e.g. passwords or a public IP you don't want to post).
>>
> I have restarted ssh, so now thats working and I'm logged in.  I will use
> copy/paste but I'll do word wrapping by hand.
>>
>> 1. content of /etc/network/interfaces and all files under
>> /etc/network/interfaces.d/
> pi@picnc:~ $ cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
> auto eth0
>
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 192.168.71.12/24
> gateway 192.168.71.1
> post-up echo 1 > /proc/sysy/ipv6/conf/$IFACE/disable_ipv6
>
> Which the last line disables ipv6  on this machines mostly stretch install.
>
>> (I seem to recall you are using ifupdown)
> What ever works. More often than not, a reboot.  But if I reboot it from
> here, I'll have to go to that machine and restart ssh, so lets start
> with fixing that.
>>
>> 2. Full output of:
>> apt list --installed 'network-manager*' # might be empty
> pi@picnc:~ $ sudo apt list --installed 'network-manager*'
> Listing... Done
>
>> apt list --installed 'avahi*' # might be empty
> pi@picnc:~ $ sudo apt list --installed 'avahi*'
> Listing... Done
> avahi-daemon/testing,now 0.7-4+b1 armhf [installed]
>
>> systemctl status systemd-networkd
> pi@picnc:~ $ sudo systemctl status systemd-networkd
> ● systemd-networkd.service - Network Service
>Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd.service; disabled;
> vendor preset: enabled)
>Active: inactive (dead)
>  Docs: man:systemd-networkd.service(8)
>
>
>> ip a # short for 'ip address'
> pi@picnc:~ $ ip a
> 1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group
> default qlen 1000
> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state
> UP group default qlen 1000
> link/ether b8:27:eb:d3:47:2d brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet 192.168.71.12/24 brd 192.168.71.255 scope global eth0
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet 169.254.163.253/16 brd 169.254.255.255 scope global noprefixroute
> eth0
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet6 fe80::1445:918c:cf73:6a79/64 scope link
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 3: wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> state DOWN group default qlen 1000
> link/ether b8:27:eb:86:12:78 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

I'm guessing that
1. your machine is set up to request an ip address via dhcp
2. the dhcp client software isn't smart enough to realize you've
configured a static address on the interface and tries to get an
address via dhcp anyway, fails, and assigns a 169.254.x.x address to
the interface

Best bet would be to turn off dhcp on that interface.  I don't
remember if I couldn't figure out how to disable dhcp or if it was
just that I _really_ don't want anything of mine doing mDNS; in any
case, I nuked avahi:

$ apt list --installed 'avahi*'
Listing... Done

Regards,
Lee

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 July 2019 12:18:13 Reco wrote:

>   Hi.
>
> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 11:40:30AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 July 2019 03:16:31 andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Mi, 03 iul 19, 21:03:19, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 03 July 2019 16:12:31 Reco wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And Gene moved. Question unanswered yet.
>
> Some of us are still working every day to earn that paycheck at the
> end of the month, you know ;)

Yeah, terrible state of affairs. :)  Social Security, the biggest ponzi 
scheme on the planet. If you or I done it. they'd jack up the jail, 
throw us under it and set it back down on us. And claim they've never 
heard of us. :( 

>
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:57:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > Regardless of what I do, I cannot get rid of the avahi junk
> > > > > > in an ip a report, so my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 net is the
> > > > > > only thing that works. pinging a net name like yahoo.com
> > > > > > gets me a successful address. But no response from yahoo
> > > > > > because its sending the ping from an avahi based address,
> > > > > > which since thats outside of my /24 netmask, doesn't get
> > > > > > thru the router.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, how do I get rid of the avahi stuff?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've a nominally 10 machine 192.168.nn.xx that is 100%
> > > > > > static based on host files so I want avahi absolutely and
> > > > > > totally neutered, emasculated, gone Forever plus 100 years
> > > > > > at least.
>
> ...
>
> > pi@picnc:~ $ cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
> > auto eth0
> >
> > iface eth0 inet static
> > address 192.168.71.12/24
> > gateway 192.168.71.1
> > post-up echo 1 > /proc/sysy/ipv6/conf/$IFACE/disable_ipv6
> >
> > > ip r # short for 'ip route'
> >
> > pi@picnc:~ $ ip r
> > default dev eth0 scope link src 169.254.163.253 metric 202
> > 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 scope link src 169.254.163.253 metric 202
> > 192.168.71.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.71.12
>
> These caught my attention.
> What about this trick (metric is 1024 unless you define it, and
> default route with lower metric wins):
>
Those that are set are set to metric 202.  And the metric 24 had no 
effect, and error someplace it does not identify.

> auto eth0
>   iface eth0 inet static
>   address 192.168.71.12/24
>   gateway 192.168.71.1
>   metric 64
>   post-up echo 1 > /proc/sysy/ipv6/conf/$IFACE/disable_ipv6
But I'll leave it that way and reboot, which means I'll have to goto its 
own keyboard and restart ssh. Which then works...???  Why is that?

> There's also another dirty trick:
>
> mkdir /etc/systemd/system/avahi-daemon.service.d
> cat > /etc/systemd/system/avahi-daemon.service.d/override.conf < [Service]
> PrivateNetwork=yes
> EOF
> systemctl daemon-reload
> systemctl restart avahi-daemon

With it purged, waste of time by my reasoning, but I'll print this and go 
do it anyway.

> I'd also consider exterminating avahi with extreme prejudice, i.e.
> 'apt purge avahi-daemon'. Really simplifies things. Not installing
> this software in the first place works even better.
>
That also has been done just before a powerdown reboot. But now, even 
though service ssh status says it up and running, I can't login from 
here. And getting rid of avahi and libnsswch or whatever its called made 
no difference in the ip a or ip r reports. But hang on, I'm going to see 
why ssh isn't working at all now.

Thanks Reco


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Genes Web page 

Re: Accents

[Jordi]

Bones, he configurat i reconfigurat, he instal·lat escriptoris MATE
Xfce4 i sempre es el mateix. Aquí tens la sortida de xev amb dues
pulsacions (accent i "a") , he marcat unes línies que em resulten
curioses. El corrector ortogràfic si que em fica els accents
correctament. El teclat es ps/2.

Gracies.

Reiniciant ordinador :

KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x381,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x382, time 171829, (57,40), root:(1547,656),
state 0x0, keycode 34 (keysym 0xfe50, dead_grave), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (60) "`"
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
XFilterEvent returns: True

KeyRelease event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x381,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x382, time 171927, (57,40), root:(1547,656),
state 0x0, keycode 34 (keysym 0xfe50, dead_grave), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (60) "`"
XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x381,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x382, time 179931, (57,40), root:(1547,656),
state 0x0, keycode 38 (keysym 0x61, a), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (61) "a"
XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (61) "a"
XFilterEvent returns: True

KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x381,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x382, time 179931, (57,40), root:(1547,656),
state 0x0, keycode 0 (keysym 0xe0, agrave), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
XmbLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c3 a0) "à"  ---
---
XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x381,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x382, time 180032, (57,40), root:(1547,656),
state 0x0, keycode 38 (keysym 0x61, a), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (61) "a"
XFilterEvent returns: False


Després de tancar sessió


KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x0, time 1066225, (136,87), root:(1621,829),
state 0x2000, keycode 34 (keysym 0xfe50, dead_grave), same_screen
YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (60) "`"
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
XFilterEvent returns: True

KeyRelease event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x0, time 1066324, (136,87), root:(1621,829),
state 0x2000, keycode 34 (keysym 0xfe50, dead_grave), same_screen
YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (60) "`"
XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x0, time 1068673, (136,87), root:(1621,829),
state 0x2000, keycode 38 (keysym 0x61, a), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (61) "a"
XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (61) "a"
XFilterEvent returns: True

KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x0, time 1068673, (136,87), root:(1621,829),
state 0x2000, keycode 0 (keysym 0xe0, agrave), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
XmbLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c3 a0)
"à"<--
XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x1d9, subw 0x0, time 1068740, (136,87), root:(1621,829),
state 0x2000, keycode 38 (keysym 0x61, a), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (61) "a"
XFilterEvent returns: False

> I què diu xev quan prems i deixes anar la tecla d'accent obert "`"?
> 
> El símbol adequat per aquesta tecla és dead_grave
> 
> $ xev -event keyboard
> ...
> KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x401,
> root 0x4ad, subw 0x0, time 3387497, (325,285), root:(876,721),
> state 0x0, keycode 34 (keysym 0xfe50, dead_grave), same_screen
> YES,
> XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (60) "`"
> XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
> XFilterEvent returns: True
> 
> KeyRelease event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x401,
> root 0x4ad, subw 0x0, time 3387536, (325,285), root:(876,721),
> state 0x0, keycode 34 (keysym 0xfe50, dead_grave), same_screen
> YES,
> XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (60) "`"
> XFilterEvent returns: False
> 
> 
> Salut
> 

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[Lic . Jessica Cadena]

Definitivamente hay que invertir en retribuciones fijas, variables, mixtas…

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Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[mick crane]

On 2019-07-04 15:40, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 04 July 2019 06:15:56 mick crane wrote:


On 2019-07-04 09:42, Gene Heskett wrote:


> Sorry, I don't see it that way, I see a concentrated effort to make
> me use dhcpd, instead of static, every machine in the system knows
> the address of ALL the other machines on my local 192.168.xx.nn/24
> network.
>
> Using dhcp means I'd have to setup a 2nd this side of my router. I
> will try to make ssh work later today, and I will reanswer this
> message if I can do that.

I like having ipfire or pfsense  on a separate box doing DHCP server.
you can make other PCs static by making their lease fixed.
and then everything is in one place.
well that's how I understand it anyway.

mick.

I do have a dhcpd configured in dd-wrt. but its set to only respond to
the MAC's of my sons smartfones when they come by and I enable the
radio. That way their phones can use my bandwidth. If I could control
which way those are bridged so the local AMC's see locals at fixed
addresses, while the wifi stuff is bridged only to the internet, that
would be ideal.


pfsense, ipfire have got handy web GUI's for all that.
I have WAP plugged in that is blocked to the local network but allowed 
to the internet.


got to say I admire your tenacity.

cheers

mick

--
Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

[Michael Stone]

On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 11:26:39AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

If it had been done 10 years ago it wouldn't need to be done now. :)


(General observation: it's really quite annoying that you remove all 
attribution when you quote previous emails in your replies.)



VMs running on a core 2 definitely have unfixable security issues and aren't
great performers.  That certainly limits the use cases.


AFAIK all CPUs since also have unfixable security issues (spectre).
So I'm not sure it makes much difference.


That's not true, but I really don't want to start another thread against 
CPU FUD so I'll leave it at that.



As for efficiency, AFAIK the production of a laptop takes more
energy than all the electricity it uses in its lifetime, so using my old
laptop is arguably more efficient.


That's a bogus argument when applied to secondhand hardware. When 
comparing two pieces of used hardware and effectively deciding which one 
gets thrown away, there's no particular virtue in choosing the older 
(probably less power efficient) one.



I only pointed out that running a VM in a 32bit system is not silly at all.


Humans do a lot of things that are objectively silly for their own 
amusement.

kde kmail to much email Unable to fetch item from backend

[Thomas]

Hello,
I have an Gmail Mail account and lots of email.
Iam not able to open this folder succesfull anymore.
After some time I get this message.

Unable to fetch item from backend (collection -1) Unable to retrieve item from 
resource.

Whats the problem and how solve it.

Thanks Thomas

Re: Debian Buster RC2 : Mise en veille systématique

[Daniel Caillibaud]

Le 04/07/19 à 16h53, Christian Quentin
 a écrit :
> Si ces infos sont exactes, on serait donc avec une machine pas
> complètement éteinte (mais pas en veille), avec écran noir. 

Dans ce cas, regarder s'il n'y a pas des infos utiles à la compréhension du
pb dans /var/log/kern.log (ou /var/log/syslog, mais y'a plus de monde).

-- 
Daniel

Les hommes naissent libres et égaux en droits,
ensuite ils se mettent à boire.
Cavanna

nXML "No completions available"

[Bob Bernstein]

I am in my new-ish:
Linux debian.localdomain 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 
4.9.168-1+deb9u3 (2019-06-16) x86_64 GNU/Linux

I seek to edit a DocBook XML file in emacs23. The file 
begins:




Does that seem okay? However, trying out autocompletion 
with Esc-TAB gives me the error message noted in my 
Subject: "no completions available."

I created the small file many years ago and am able to use 
xsltproc and an xsl style sheet to produce a suitable pdf. 
Now I want to edit it. I remember virtually nothing of how 
to actually _use_ nXML in emacs, that is, keystrokes. 
(How, for example can I bring up a list of valid tags for 
insertion at a given point in the file?)

Thank you

-- 
Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Reco]

Hi.

On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 11:40:30AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 04 July 2019 03:16:31 andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > On Mi, 03 iul 19, 21:03:19, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 03 July 2019 16:12:31 Reco wrote:
> > >
> > > And Gene moved. Question unanswered yet.

Some of us are still working every day to earn that paycheck at the end
of the month, you know ;)


> > > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:57:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > Regardless of what I do, I cannot get rid of the avahi junk in
> > > > > an ip a report, so my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 net is the only
> > > > > thing that works. pinging a net name like yahoo.com gets me a
> > > > > successful address. But no response from yahoo because its
> > > > > sending the ping from an avahi based address, which since thats
> > > > > outside of my /24 netmask, doesn't get thru the router.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, how do I get rid of the avahi stuff?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've a nominally 10 machine 192.168.nn.xx that is 100% static
> > > > > based on host files so I want avahi absolutely and totally
> > > > > neutered, emasculated, gone Forever plus 100 years at least.
...
> pi@picnc:~ $ cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
> auto eth0
> 
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 192.168.71.12/24
> gateway 192.168.71.1
> post-up echo 1 > /proc/sysy/ipv6/conf/$IFACE/disable_ipv6
> 

> > ip r # short for 'ip route'
> pi@picnc:~ $ ip r
> default dev eth0 scope link src 169.254.163.253 metric 202
> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 scope link src 169.254.163.253 metric 202
> 192.168.71.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.71.12

These caught my attention.
What about this trick (metric is 1024 unless you define it, and default
route with lower metric wins):

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.71.12/24
gateway 192.168.71.1
metric 64
post-up echo 1 > /proc/sysy/ipv6/conf/$IFACE/disable_ipv6

There's also another dirty trick:

mkdir /etc/systemd/system/avahi-daemon.service.d
cat > /etc/systemd/system/avahi-daemon.service.d/override.conf <

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 July 2019 03:16:31 andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mi, 03 iul 19, 21:03:19, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 July 2019 16:12:31 Reco wrote:
> >
> > And Gene moved. Question unanswered yet.
> >
> > >   Hi.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:57:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Regardless of what I do, I cannot get rid of the avahi junk in
> > > > an ip a report, so my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 net is the only
> > > > thing that works. pinging a net name like yahoo.com gets me a
> > > > successful address. But no response from yahoo because its
> > > > sending the ping from an avahi based address, which since thats
> > > > outside of my /24 netmask, doesn't get thru the router.
> > > >
> > > > So, how do I get rid of the avahi stuff?
> > > >
> > > > I've a nominally 10 machine 192.168.nn.xx that is 100% static
> > > > based on host files so I want avahi absolutely and totally
> > > > neutered, emasculated, gone Forever plus 100 years at least.
> > > >
> > > > How can I do that?
>
> It's not necessarily avahi doing that. A DHCP client might also
> configure a 169.254.*.* address for you if it doesn't receive a reply.
>
> In order to have the slightest chance of helping you it is necessary
> for you to provide the information as per below.
>
> Files should preferably be attached, to avoid issues with copy-paste.
>
> Please do not edit anything except to obscure private information
> (e.g. passwords or a public IP you don't want to post).
>
I have restarted ssh, so now thats working and I'm logged in.  I will use 
copy/paste but I'll do word wrapping by hand.
>
> 1. content of /etc/network/interfaces and all files under
> /etc/network/interfaces.d/
pi@picnc:~ $ cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
auto eth0

iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.71.12/24
gateway 192.168.71.1
post-up echo 1 > /proc/sysy/ipv6/conf/$IFACE/disable_ipv6

Which the last line disables ipv6  on this machines mostly stretch install.

> (I seem to recall you are using ifupdown)
What ever works. More often than not, a reboot.  But if I reboot it from
here, I'll have to go to that machine and restart ssh, so lets start 
with fixing that.
>
> 2. Full output of:
> apt list --installed 'network-manager*' # might be empty
pi@picnc:~ $ sudo apt list --installed 'network-manager*'
Listing... Done

> apt list --installed 'avahi*' # might be empty
pi@picnc:~ $ sudo apt list --installed 'avahi*'
Listing... Done
avahi-daemon/testing,now 0.7-4+b1 armhf [installed]

> systemctl status systemd-networkd
pi@picnc:~ $ sudo systemctl status systemd-networkd
● systemd-networkd.service - Network Service
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd.service; disabled; 
vendor preset: enabled)
   Active: inactive (dead)
 Docs: man:systemd-networkd.service(8)


> ip a # short for 'ip address'
pi@picnc:~ $ ip a
1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group 
default qlen 1000
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP 
group default qlen 1000
link/ether b8:27:eb:d3:47:2d brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.71.12/24 brd 192.168.71.255 scope global eth0
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet 169.254.163.253/16 brd 169.254.255.255 scope global noprefixroute eth0
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 fe80::1445:918c:cf73:6a79/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
3: wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state 
DOWN group default qlen 1000
link/ether b8:27:eb:86:12:78 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

> ip r # short for 'ip route'
pi@picnc:~ $ ip r
default dev eth0 scope link src 169.254.163.253 metric 202
169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 scope link src 169.254.163.253 metric 202
192.168.71.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.71.12

>
> 3. Information on anything (and I do mean anything) else you might
> have done to your network configuration after installing buster,
> including but not limited to:
>  * installing stuff, especially if from source
>  * removing stuff (especially if not 'purged', dpkg -l would tell)
>  * manual changes to files (deletions/permissions/etc.
>  (especially those unnecessary "fixes" you call "neutering")
>
> For the record/archives: other users are not seeing your problems.
>
> Buster is - at least for me - the best Debian release yet.
>
> The problems you are seeing are, at least partially, of your own
> doing, most likely due to wrong configuration and an approach of using
> the equivalent of a shotgun to kill a fly and then complaining your
> walls are full of holes.

Since we are dealing in hyperbole, I do own a shotgun, but for fly's I'd 
use a 6.5 creedmore, the hole is about the size of the fly and will 
usually have blood-stained edges.

I actually bet and won a 6 pack of beer doing that at 100 meters with 

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

[Stefan Monnier]

> If it had been done 10 years ago it wouldn't need to be done now. :)

[ The initial install was in 2003, FWIW.  ]
I do use 64bit Debian on another machine, but to tell you the truth,
I don't notice any difference at all (other than bigger hex numbers in
GDB which take up more screen real estate and are harder to
remember/decipher ;-), so there's a serious lack of motivation.

> VMs running on a core 2 definitely have unfixable security issues and aren't
> great performers.  That certainly limits the use cases.

AFAIK all CPUs since also have unfixable security issues (spectre).
So I'm not sure it makes much difference.
In any case, my point is that often it's best to use what you have
rather than what is "best".

> Since faster and more efficient hardware can literally be found for free

Regarding faster: my laptop is a Thinkpad T61 with a hand-upgraded Core
2 CPU, and the reason I'm using that is that it's the best 4/3 laptop
I could find.
All the more recent models use short screens and hence don't qualify.

It does deserve to be upgraded, and I'm willing to spend a fair bit of
money for that, but so far noone has decided to re-enter the 4/3
marketplace AFAIK (the "thinkpad" T70 has been the only exception I know
of, but it was very short run).

As for efficiency, AFAIK the production of a laptop takes more
energy than all the electricity it uses in its lifetime, so using my old
laptop is arguably more efficient.

> these days, running on something that old has a strong component of personal
> choice.

Just like choosing something more recent is a personal choice, yes.
With global ecological implications.

> Which is fine, but not a strong argument. Put a different way, it's
> fine if that's what you want to do, but terrible advice for others.

I didn't advise it.  I only pointed out that running a VM in a 32bit
system is not silly at all.


Stefan

Re: Sauvegarde Windows

[Eric Degenetais]

My bad.
Mais ce n'est pour autant que je sache pas la configuration par défaut.
__
Éric Dégenètais
Henix

http://www.henix.com
http://www.squashtest.org



Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 16:46, Stephane Ascoet <
stephane.asc...@univ-paris1.fr> a écrit :

> Le 03/07/2019 à 09:27, Eric Degenetais a écrit :
> > Pas par Windows. Certains PC peuvent avoir des disques chiffrés mais
> c'est
> > par des composants tiers.
>
> Bonjour, et Bitlocker alors?
> --
> Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet
>
>

Re: [OT] send all email from certain From: addresses into a spam

[Reco]

Hi.

On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 11:29:20PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 06:44:42PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 11:39:22AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > 
> > > procmail might have worked, but it's more of a pain to learn procmail
> > > than it is to write my own filter.  I also get more flexibility this way.
> > > 
> > > The write-up of my approach is at
> > > .
> > 
> > Maildrop does exactly this. For instance, 
> > 
> > ^From:.*User Name/
> > 
> > Transforms to this snippet of .mailfilter:
> > 
> > if ( /^From:.*User Name/:h )
> > to /dev/null
> > 
> > Works with exim, postfix and probably qmail OOB.
> > 
> 
> Could this also be expanded to delete not only mail from a particular 
> user, but also any mail *replying to* that mail as well? In other words, 
> get rid of not only the mail that starts a thread, but the entire 
> thread?

I don't see a universal way of doing this, but I'd try a match against a
References header.
For instance, your e-mail has this References header:

References: 
<20190703153922.gz2...@eeg.ccf.org>


So, assuming that you wish to block threads that are started by me,
participated by me, etc, you'll need (:h should correctly process a
multiline header):

if ( /^From:.*recovery...@enotuniq.net/:h )
to /dev/null
if ( /^References:.*enotuniq.net/:h )
to /dev/null

But that assumes that everybody in the thread are using a sane e-mail
client. And relies on Message-ID that can include literally anything
(but it does include a domain most of the time).


> Or would that be a task better done in mutt?

That's an option too. The obvious disadvantage is that you see e-mails
and (sub)threads that you want to delete.

Reco

Re: Thunderbird ne veut pas passer en français

[Stephane Ascoet]

Le 27/06/2019 à 12:37, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit :


Il me semble que Thunderbird tend à devenir obsolète. La fondation
Mozilla ne s'en occupe plus directement (mais gère encore les dons pour
Thunderbird). Si vous tenez à Thunderbird, il faudrait alors cotiser à
https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/about/ ou
https://donate.mozilla.org/fr/thunderbird/


 
dit pourtant le contraire.




Par exemple, regarder evolution 
(dans Gnome) comme possible remplacement de Thunderbird.

La derniere fois que je l'ai utilise, il etait tres en retrait sur 
Thunderbird. Je pense que le plus proche est Sylpheed/Claws, mais dans 
tous les cas on perd le cote multi-platerforme de Thunderbird.


--
Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet

Re: Accents

[Ernest Adrogué]

2019-07- 4, 10:47 (+0200); Jordi escriu:
> 
> Bones, no hi ha cap diferencia en la sortida de setxkbmap -query entre
> la primera sessio i la segona:
> 
> setxkbmap -query
> rules:  evdev
> model:  pc105
> layout: es
> variant:cat
> options:lv3:ralt_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
> 
> per`o si que m'he quedat sense accents: `a `e

I què diu xev quan prems i deixes anar la tecla d'accent obert "`"?

El símbol adequat per aquesta tecla és dead_grave

$ xev -event keyboard
...
KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x401,
root 0x4ad, subw 0x0, time 3387497, (325,285), root:(876,721),
state 0x0, keycode 34 (keysym 0xfe50, dead_grave), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (60) "`"
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
XFilterEvent returns: True

KeyRelease event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x401,
root 0x4ad, subw 0x0, time 3387536, (325,285), root:(876,721),
state 0x0, keycode 34 (keysym 0xfe50, dead_grave), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (60) "`"
XFilterEvent returns: False


Salut

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2019 04 Jul 08:51 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I've a ~10 year old Lenovo T510 whose hardware should be new enough.

I've a T410 running Buster amd64 and have simply installed the
VirtualBox binaries from the Sid repository (manually downloaded and
installed).  I also have QEMU installed for testing some ARM stuff.
Works like a charm.

> BTW my oldest machine is a Kaypro 10 ;/

I'm not that old, my original was a Color Computer 2 a bit over 35 years
ago.  The oldest machine I have now is an IBM T23.  Anything older was
given away or scrapped.

- Nate

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Web: https://www.n0nb.us  GPG key: D55A8819  GitHub: N0NB


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Re: Debian Buster RC2 : Mise en veille systématique

[Christian Quentin]

Le 2019-07-04 00:33, Christian Quentin a écrit :

> Bonsoir, 
> 
> Que je clique sur le bouton Eteindre/Redémarrer ou que je tape halt dans un 
> terminal (ou shutdown now), le résultat est le même : le PC met très 
> longtemps à s'éteindre et finalement se met en veille. J'ai un petit voyant 
> lumineux qui confirme que le PC (un portable HP 15_bw0xx) reste sous tension.
> 
> Ce qui est plus problématique, c'est que je ne vois pas comment sortir de 
> veille. Le bouton on/off n'a pas d'effet, les touches fn non plus. 
> 
> La seule solution pas très élégante que j'ai trouvée jusqu'à maintenant, 
> c'est de maintenir le bouton on/off appuyé une dizaine de secondes pour 
> l'éteindre complètement. 
> 
> Autre indice : quand je rallume le PC et que Debian s'initialise, je vois 
> passer la ligne suivante : 
> 
> resuming from hibernation 
> 
> suivi de quelques lignes qui indiquent un arrêt brutal et une remise en ordre 
> du système de fichiers à l'aide du journal. 
> 
> Tout ce que j'ai lu jusqu'à maintenant ne m'a pas permis d'avancer. 
> 
> Je ne souhaite pas nécessairement utiliser les modes de veille, le PC démarre 
> sur un SSD et un arrêt/rédémarrage classique me conviendrait tout à fait ! 
> 
> Si vous avez des idées de pistes à explorer, je suis preneur. 
> 
> Christian

En complément, le petit voyant blanc sur le côté du portable est fixe ce
qui d'après la doc indique qu'il est sous tension mais pas en veille
(dans ce dernier cas, il clignoterait). 

Si ces infos sont exactes, on serait donc avec une machine pas
complètement éteinte (mais pas en veille), avec écran noir. 

Si ça aide...

Re: Sauvegarde Windows

[Stephane Ascoet]

Le 03/07/2019 à 09:27, Eric Degenetais a écrit :

Pas par Windows. Certains PC peuvent avoir des disques chiffrés mais c'est
par des composants tiers.


Bonjour, et Bitlocker alors?
--
Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 July 2019 06:15:56 mick crane wrote:

> On 2019-07-04 09:42, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
>
> > Sorry, I don't see it that way, I see a concentrated effort to make
> > me use dhcpd, instead of static, every machine in the system knows
> > the address of ALL the other machines on my local 192.168.xx.nn/24
> > network.
> >
> > Using dhcp means I'd have to setup a 2nd this side of my router. I
> > will try to make ssh work later today, and I will reanswer this
> > message if I can do that.
>
> I like having ipfire or pfsense  on a separate box doing DHCP server.
> you can make other PCs static by making their lease fixed.
> and then everything is in one place.
> well that's how I understand it anyway.
>
> mick.
I do have a dhcpd configured in dd-wrt. but its set to only respond to 
the MAC's of my sons smartfones when they come by and I enable the 
radio. That way their phones can use my bandwidth. If I could control 
which way those are bridged so the local AMC's see locals at fixed 
addresses, while the wifi stuff is bridged only to the internet, that 
would be ideal.  But I don't believe I can control the bridge direction 
based on the MAC of the client. So I'd have to setup a separate server, 
ideally in the distribution switch, that assigned a dhcp address 
according to the incoming MAC. In my lashup, I have a managed switch, 
but its running the default setup which does not enable a dhcpd, if it 
even has one.  And I can't think of a way to ping picnc, and reliably 
hit 192.168.xx.yy, the address of picnc. Using host files for local dns 
is so much simpler.

Now I've been standing in front of its monitor for about an hour, a neck 
breaker because its well above my eye level. With NIX-Crafts ip tutorial 
in hand, trying to get rid of the default route in the 169.254 range, 
and while it may not return a syntax error thats usually gibberish, 
showing something thats totally disconnected from what I told it to do, 
there is no way in hell to delete the 169.junk from an ip r report. And 
this is with a sudo in front of whatever.

If I try to ping yahoo.com it properly asks my isp's dns for an address 
for yahoo, gets it and displays it but then pings it from the 169 
address, which is of coarse sent to /dev/null in the router if it even 
gets that far as it must traverse the switch to get that far.

I've tried to dpkg --purge the dhcp* stuff I can see, but dpkg says its 
not installed so it must be in the kernel, a non-realtime 4.19.50 for 
armhf.  So unless someone can tell me how to nuke, or at least change 
its preference for the 169 crap as defaults, this rpi-3b will never be 
able to run on buster. I must be able to make it use the 
192.168.nn.hostname-address for everything. But something is overriding 
me.

What is it?  And can I nuke or otherwise disable it?

The scripts in /etc/init.d for both avahi-daemon and dhcpd have been 
removed by rm.  Made absolutely zero difference to an ip a or ip r 
report. I can only conclude that systemd thinks its smarter than me. I 
have armbian installed on a rock64, and there I had a heck of a time 
with the stretch version of this same routing problem, but duplicating 
that setup on buster, and getting working results cannot be done with 
the tools at hand.

Someone gave me a link to a systemd tut, a pdf I was gonna print but its 
almost 40 pages thats both 5 years out of date, and by page 2 has 
dissolved into undecypherable jargon that needs translated to working 
English. Is there an uptodate one for dummies that actually covers 
buster?

Thanks everybody.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Old computers (Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?)

[rhkramer]

On Thursday, July 04, 2019 09:50:36 AM Richard Owlett wrote:
> BTW my oldest machine is a Kaypro 10 ;/

Just for kicks, I'll mention that my oldest machine is a Digital Group Z-80, 
circa 1976, assembed from a kit, and with 2K on board RAM plus 2 auxillary 
memory boards with 8K each (iirc) for a total of 18K RAM.  Long term storage 
was via a cassete recorder / player with a speed control to adjust playback 
speed for best result.

I programmed some floating point routines in machine language, and had thoughts 
of writing things like a word processor.

I thought (seriously) about buying (or, more accurately, wished that I could 
afford to buy) a used teletype machine (for about $1500) in order to have a 
means of printing.

It (the machine) was working when I retired it, but I should make some fixes if 
I ever un-retired it (I took out the 115 volt AC cooling fan to use as an air 
mover between two rooms of my house),

Aside: the Digital Group machines were pretty neat in that the CPU was on a 
daugherboard, and they made CPU boards with the Z-80, the 6502, the 6800 
(iirc) (and maybe just the plain 8080) -- you could "convert" to any of those 
other CPUs by just buying, assembling, and changing out the CPU daughterboard.

BTW, that wasn't my first computer -- when I was significantly younger (i.e., 
10 
to 15 years before 1976), I acquired two other things (both long gone, I 
think) that were called computers:

   * One was sort of a toy analog computer (one where you input numbers by 
doing things like using potentiometers to set a voltage to represent a 
number), and then read results on a meter (I'm somewhat oversimplifying that 
as I don't really remember much about that.

   * The other was something that I believed had computer in the name, but was 
used to control model trains -- the intent was that you could speak into a 
(built-in) microphone and it was supposed to recognize spoken commands (things 
like "stop" or "go" -- and maybe I'm misremembering the commands, maybe the 
logic was based on detecting and counting syllables in the commands).  It 
never worked very well, but I might actually still have it buried in a box of 
old model train stuff. ;-)

By the way, despite the years mentioned in this email, I am only 29 (or, at 
least, I try to convince women of that) (the same age (or was it 39) that Jack 
Benny always claimed to be, even when he appeared to be much older,

(I woke up with a headache today, and am not "in shape" to do any serious 
work, so I'd doing things like this).

Happy 4th of July (Independence Day) to all of us (in the USA or not).  I hope 
the soldiers that might be marching in Trump's July 4th celebration are not 
"goose stepping".

Re: [OT] send all email from certain From: addresses into a spam

[Mark Fletcher]

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 06:44:42PM +0300, Reco wrote:
>   Hi.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 11:39:22AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > 
> > procmail might have worked, but it's more of a pain to learn procmail
> > than it is to write my own filter.  I also get more flexibility this way.
> > 
> > The write-up of my approach is at
> > .
> 
> Maildrop does exactly this. For instance, 
> 
> ^From:.*User Name/
> 
> Transforms to this snippet of .mailfilter:
> 
> if ( /^From:.*User Name/:h )
>   to /dev/null
> 
> Works with exim, postfix and probably qmail OOB.
> 

Could this also be expanded to delete not only mail from a particular 
user, but also any mail *replying to* that mail as well? In other words, 
get rid of not only the mail that starts a thread, but the entire 
thread?

Or would that be a task better done in mutt?

Mark

Re: Extension "tray icons"

[David BERCOT]

C'est très joli ;-)

Mais que fais-tu de la barre Gnome par défaut ?
Dans ce cas, tu n'en as plus vraiment besoin si tu gères tout avec Tint2 ?

Et en effet, peut-être que Wayland va perturber les choses...

Merci.

David.

Le 04/07/2019 à 15:29, Pascal Legrand a écrit :
> 
> Ici mon fichier de conf et une copie d'écran de ce que ça donne.
> Sachant qu'avec Wayland tout ne fonctionne pas nikel.
> 
> http://plegrand1.free.fr/tint2.png
> http://plegrand1.free.fr/tint2rc
> 
> 

Re: Debian Buster RC2 : Mise en veille systématique

[Christian Quentin]

Le 2019-07-04 09:36, Daniel Caillibaud a écrit :

> Le 04/07/19 à  0h33, Christian Quentin
>  a écrit : 
> 
>> Je ne souhaite pas nécessairement utiliser les modes de veille, le PC
>> démarre sur un SSD et un arrêt/rédémarrage classique me conviendrait
>> tout à fait ! 
>> 
>> Si vous avez des idées de pistes à explorer, je suis preneur.
> 
> Pour sortir d'une veille, regarde dans le bios s'il y a des réglages pour
> ça.
> 
> Pour éviter d'entrer en veille, c'est dans les réglages de ton système
> (pour cinnamon c'est paramètres système / gestion d'alimentation), et comme
> solution radicale tu peux essayer de retirer les paquets qui gèrent la
> veille, mais y'a des chances pour qu'ils soient requis par ton gestionnaire
> de bureau.

Merci Daniel, 

J'ai fait le tour du BIOS/UEFI : Aucune trace de réglage concernant la
veille/sortie de veille. La doc HP donne les touches classiques pour
réveiller le PC mais ça ne semble pas pris en compte par Debian (en
revanche, ça fonctionne très bien pour sortir d'une veille Windows,
G) 

A priori, Gnome est réglé pour ne pas entrer en veille. chou blanc de ce
côté-là aussi :( 

Un autre indice : si j'ouvre un terminal (CTRL+ALT+3), et qu'en root, je
demande un reboot, la séquence d'arrêt du système se déroule puis après
2 ou 3 secondes, l'écran devient noir et la machine semble se mettre en
veille encore un fois. Le redémarrage n'a pas lieu.

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

[Richard Owlett]

On 07/02/2019 04:05 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:

...

For my local purposes, I have created my own metapackage (not in Debian...)
-- this is why I suggested a list of packages: I expect that installing all
of the packages yields the same result (except for automatically vs.
manually installed packages...) as if a metapackage were used. In case 
it is

of use to you, I can send you an e-mail with a copy of my metapackage
(it is about 4 KiB as per `du -sh`, but it does not do well for world-wide
publication because it is not Debian Policy compliant etc. thus not
uploaded/attached anywhere yet).



Please send me a copy.
I've a ~10 year old Lenovo T510 whose hardware should be new enough.

BTW my oldest machine is a Kaypro 10 ;/

Re: Extension "tray icons"

[Pascal Legrand]

Ici mon fichier de conf et une copie d'écran de ce que ça donne.
Sachant qu'avec Wayland tout ne fonctionne pas nikel.

http://plegrand1.free.fr/tint2.png
http://plegrand1.free.fr/tint2rc

Re: Extension "tray icons"

[David BERCOT]

Je viens de tester mais c'est... différent...
J'avoue ne pas trop adhérer (sauf si je l'ai mal configuré ;-)) mais
merci néanmoins pour la piste.

David.

Le 04/07/2019 à 14:33, Pascal Legrand a écrit :
> De mon côté sur Debian SID avec Gnome, j'utilise Tint2 avec bonheur
> Bonne journée
> 

Re: How to have password shown?

[Curt]

On 2019-07-04, deloptes  wrote:
> Renato Gallo wrote:
>
>> Fingerprints are a good option
>> 
>> Renato Gallo
>> 
>
> No, they are not and it was explained previously why
>

Sure they are (depending on the use case/implementation). These things are
completely comparative and situational and your statement completely
unqualified and universal. The OP desired having the password revealed in
plaintext on the terminal/console.  Another person thought an insecure password
like 12345 might do the trick.  Still another suggested a passwordless login
for the OP's venerable paternal element. I was asking myself how the
blind/visually impaired handle the problem.  And the cognitively impaired. And
those suffering from motor impairments which might render any "fine" use of the
keyboard a painstaking affair. 

Reco's objections to fingerprints as an authentication method, to which you
might be alluding above, called to mind what I'd previously heard from Schneier
concerning biometrics years ago. Let's see what he said in 2009 (update to an
essay written in 1998).

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/01/biometrics.html

 And a stolen biometric can fool some systems. It can be as easy as cutting out
 a signature, pasting it onto a contract, and then faxing the page to someone.
 The person on the other end doesn't know that the signature isn't valid because
 he didn't see it fixed onto the page. Remote logins by fingerprint fail in the
 same way. If there's no way to verify the print came from an actual reader, not
 from a stored computer file, the system is much less secure.

 A more secure system is to use a fingerprint to unlock your mobile phone or
 computer. Because there is a trusted path from the fingerprint reader to the
 stored fingerprint the system uses to compare, an attacker can't inject a
 previously stored print as easily as he can cut and paste a signature. A photo
 on an ID card works the same way: the verifier can compare the face in front of
 him with the face on the card.

Re: Extension "tray icons"

[Pascal Legrand]

De mon côté sur Debian SID avec Gnome, j'utilise Tint2 avec bonheur
Bonne journée

--

Pascal

Re: Lançamento da Buster

[Gilberto F da Silva]

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On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 09:55:35PM -0300, Qobi Ben Nun wrote:
> É justamente o mal uso das ferramentas. Como tinha sido mencionado
anteriormente, Telegram e afins são práticos, porém falta muito bom
senso e bons hábitos pra que funcione devidamente.

  Existia uma coisa chamada netiqueta. Coloquei o verbo no passado
  porque parece que ninguém mais dá bola para isso e ela é
  anterior ao Telegram.
> 
> Não posso dizer pelos outros, mas sou um brasileiro que gosta de
  ler. :-) Não sem motivo que estou aqui interagindo com vocês.

  No nosso país, você faz parte de uma minoria.


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alimentos. Eis o cientista. Outro roubou seu invento e então o usou 
para  matar. Eis o empresário. Outro regularizou aquele roubo e os 
assassinatos. Eis o político. Outro justificou a matança dizendo que 
era  o desígnio de algum deus. Eis o religioso".
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Re: Extension "tray icons"

[Pascal Legrand]

De mon côté sur Debian SID avec Gnome, j'utilise Tint2 avec bonheur
Bonne journée

--

Pascal

Re: How to have password shown?

[Dave Sherohman]

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 03:00:24PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> Most people mistype at some time; have you considered why your father
> might be doing it? Logins with convoluted or complex passwords do not
> help, so consider 12345678 or the date of his birthday. I'm tempted to
> say that either would reduce mishaps.

This would basically be my suggestion as well, since you want to get him
in the habit of using a password rather than disabling passwords
entirely.  Just make it a password based on a simple, compact keyboard
pattern, such as 1234 or (assuming a qwerty keyboard) qweasdzxc, so that
he's not moving from one part of the keyboard to another and potentially
making mistakes while doing so.

-- 
Dave Sherohman

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[mick crane]

On 2019-07-04 09:42, Gene Heskett wrote:


Sorry, I don't see it that way, I see a concentrated effort to make me
use dhcpd, instead of static, every machine in the system knows the
address of ALL the other machines on my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 network.

Using dhcp means I'd have to setup a 2nd this side of my router. I will
try to make ssh work later today, and I will reanswer this message if I
can do that.


I like having ipfire or pfsense  on a separate box doing DHCP server.
you can make other PCs static by making their lease fixed.
and then everything is in one place.
well that's how I understand it anyway.

mick.

--
Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 July 2019 05:25:05 Felix Miata wrote:

> Gene Heskett composed on 2019-07-04 04:42 (UTC-0400):
> > every release newer than wheezy has made it progressively
> > more difficult to make a staticly defined network work.
>
> Given the myriad of successes in your 8+ decades, I'm baffled that you
> are continually flummoxed by fixed IP networking. Maybe it's because I
> only use X86 hardware, but DHCP is the only thing that has given me
> any trouble lately, and that's only because of a NIC driver that is
> apparently quite broken. Fixed IP here just continues to work as
> before. Could it be because I've been planting net.ifnames=0 on every
> cmdline since before Wheezy, along with 70-persistent-net.rules (which
> seems unnecessary any more), and a shared hosts file?

The shared hosts file has been a feature here since the second came 
online it round '00 to run an harbor freight milling machine, 

And I'm not sure in a pi's config, where to put the net.ifnames=0.

/boot/cmdline.txt maybe?  You have grub to splice all that together, but 
the pi's are u-boot, as most of the arm stuff is. But with the pi4 
coming online, with 4Gigs a dram, I'd sure like to see grub-2 ported to 
arms.  That would greatly simplicate kernel swapping.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Felix Miata]

Gene Heskett composed on 2019-07-04 04:42 (UTC-0400):

> every release newer than wheezy has made it progressively 
> more difficult to make a staticly defined network work.
Given the myriad of successes in your 8+ decades, I'm baffled that you are
continually flummoxed by fixed IP networking. Maybe it's because I only use X86
hardware, but DHCP is the only thing that has given me any trouble lately, and
that's only because of a NIC driver that is apparently quite broken. Fixed IP 
here
just continues to work as before. Could it be because I've been planting
net.ifnames=0 on every cmdline since before Wheezy, along with
70-persistent-net.rules (which seems unnecessary any more), and a shared hosts 
file?
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Accents

[Jordi]

Bones, no hi ha cap diferencia en la sortida de setxkbmap -query entre
la primera sessio i la segona:

setxkbmap -query
rules:  evdev
model:  pc105
layout: es
variant:cat
options:lv3:ralt_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

per`o si que m'he quedat sense accents: `a `e

Salutacions
Jordi


El dc 03 de 07 de 2019 a les 21:20 +0200, en/na Ernest Adrogué va
escriure:
> 2019-07- 2, 17:07 (+0200); Jordi escriu:
> > El problema es el seguent : Primer les lletres accentuades surten
> > be,
> > pero despres durant el dia es canvien a: `a `e `i `o `u ´a´e´i´o´u
> > ¨a¨e¨i¨o¨u, no se que fer per poder localitzar el problema, ja que
> > com
> > dic, al principi va be, pero despres no se perque es canvia. Faig
> > servir el cinnamon i, o sento, els controladors nvidia privatius.
> > 
> > A les pantalles F1, F2 ... els accents surten be, i al cinnamon amb
> > diferents usuaris malament. Alguna ajuda?
> 
> Mira la sortida de "setxkbmap -query" o "localectl status" en el
> primer
> login i si canvia quan surts i tornes a entrar.
> 
> Per anar bé, t'hauria de dir layout "es"
> 
> $ setxkbmap -query
> rules:  evdev
> model:  pc105
> layout: es
> variant:cat
> options:ctrl:nocaps,compose:rctrl
> 
> 
> Salut.
> 

Re: Extension "tray icons"

[David BERCOT]

Bonjour,

Je viens de tester stalonetray ainsi que trayer... sans succès !

Quant à Topicons Plus, je l'utilisais avant avec, sauf erreur, le même 
comportement.

Je viens d'installer une autre extension qui va peut-être mettre tout le monde 
d'accord ;-) Il s'agit de gnome-shell-extension-appindicator.

A suivre.

David.

Le 04/07/2019 à 10:14, didier gaumet a écrit :
> Le 01/07/2019 à 10:18, David BERCOT a écrit :
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Sous Debian Sid avec Gnome, afin d'afficher des icônes diverses (par
>> exemple celle de Thunderbird, de VirtualBox, etc.) dans la barre de
>> tâches "systray", j'utilise l'extension SimpleTray.
>> Celle-ci fonctionne parfaitement... au démarrage de ma session.
>> En revanche, après un passage en veille, à la sortie de cette veille, je
>> n'ai plus que les icônes "de base" (réseau, son, etc.).
>>
>> Avez-vous une option qui fonctionne tout le temps ?
>>
>> Merci d'avance.
>>
>> David.
> 
> A voir si Topicons Plus peut satisfaire tes besoins:
> 
> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1031/topicons/
> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus
> 
> 

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 July 2019 03:16:31 andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mi, 03 iul 19, 21:03:19, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 July 2019 16:12:31 Reco wrote:
> >
> > And Gene moved. Question unanswered yet.
> >
> > >   Hi.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:57:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Regardless of what I do, I cannot get rid of the avahi junk in
> > > > an ip a report, so my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 net is the only
> > > > thing that works. pinging a net name like yahoo.com gets me a
> > > > successful address. But no response from yahoo because its
> > > > sending the ping from an avahi based address, which since thats
> > > > outside of my /24 netmask, doesn't get thru the router.
> > > >
> > > > So, how do I get rid of the avahi stuff?
> > > >
> > > > I've a nominally 10 machine 192.168.nn.xx that is 100% static
> > > > based on host files so I want avahi absolutely and totally
> > > > neutered, emasculated, gone Forever plus 100 years at least.
> > > >
> > > > How can I do that?
>
> It's not necessarily avahi doing that. A DHCP client might also
> configure a 169.254.*.* address for you if it doesn't receive a reply.
>
> In order to have the slightest chance of helping you it is necessary
> for you to provide the information as per below.
>
> Files should preferably be attached, to avoid issues with copy-paste.
>
> Please do not edit anything except to obscure private information
> (e.g. passwords or a public IP you don't want to post).
>
>
> 1. content of /etc/network/interfaces and all files under
> /etc/network/interfaces.d/
>
> (I seem to recall you are using ifupdown)
>
> 2. Full output of:
> apt list --installed 'network-manager*' # might be empty
> apt list --installed 'avahi*' # might be empty
> systemctl status systemd-networkd
> ip a # short for 'ip address'
> ip r # short for 'ip route'
>
> 3. Information on anything (and I do mean anything) else you might
> have done to your network configuration after installing buster,
> including but not limited to:
>  * installing stuff, especially if from source
First, on a u-booting raspi you don't "install". You either download an 
image and put it on a u-sd card with dd, or you generate your own image.

Which is what I have done by using a utility from guysoft called 
RealtimePi, which takes the June 20th version of raspian buster lite 
apart, and supposedly puts it back together with a realtime patched 
version of a compatible kernel, which should have been a 4.19.50-rt-v7 
kernel, but when put on a u-sd, and the u-sd booted, turns out to have 
the unpatched kernel in it.  Why I watched it spend an hour building the 
older 4.4.114-rt-v7 kernel and then it didn't use it is something I have 
not found yet in the build.log. Which I can't get to ATM because ssh 
isn't working either.

I can't get any of that until I can make ssh work, which it is not at the 
moment. ISTR if I restart it from its own console, it might work. 
Depends on the phase of the moon because it might decide to use the 169 
addresses for everything. these two lines at the top of /e/n/i.d/eth0

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static

is supposed to tell n-m and company to keep their hands off that 
interface, and plainly it is not. It is totally ignoreing the rest of 
that file, so while I may get a valid address, but not one fixed 
gateway|route.  Sitting here. playing with ip on this machine, I finally 
figured out how to get rid of the 169.254.xx.yy trash in the eth0 setup, 
and its possible I might be able to put a postup command or two to clean 
house and make it work, like I did with stretch on a rock64.

>  * removing stuff (especially if not 'purged', dpkg -l would tell)
>  * manual changes to files (deletions/permissions/etc.
>  (especially those unnecessary "fixes" you call "neutering")

I will do whatever it takes to make it "Just Work". But so much has been 
changed with buster that I don't really know where to start. Jessie ran 
good, but realtime wasn't as real as needed, stretch runs a much better 
realtime, but each "upgrade" has been harder and harder to make the 
networking Just Work.

> For the record/archives: other users are not seeing your problems.

Am I the only holdout on the whole English speaking planet still useing 
static networking configs?  I really, seriously, doubt that. But I will 
state that every release newer than wheezy has made it progressively 
more difficult to make a staticly defined network work. Way too many 
chefs stirring in the same pot is how I see it.

> Buster is - at least for me - the best Debian release yet.

It may well be, but its worthless to me running in a Faraday cage because 
I cannot control the networking. And its worthless to me until I can get 
a realtime kernel built into the u-sd. I  build this stuff to do a job, 
and if it can't do the job, I've got 1500 lbs of cast iron I can't 
control to make it move.

> The problems you are seeing are, at least partially, of your own
> doing, most likely 

Re: Extension "tray icons"

[didier gaumet]

Le 01/07/2019 à 10:18, David BERCOT a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> Sous Debian Sid avec Gnome, afin d'afficher des icônes diverses (par
> exemple celle de Thunderbird, de VirtualBox, etc.) dans la barre de
> tâches "systray", j'utilise l'extension SimpleTray.
> Celle-ci fonctionne parfaitement... au démarrage de ma session.
> En revanche, après un passage en veille, à la sortie de cette veille, je
> n'ai plus que les icônes "de base" (réseau, son, etc.).
> 
> Avez-vous une option qui fonctionne tout le temps ?
> 
> Merci d'avance.
> 
> David.

A voir si Topicons Plus peut satisfaire tes besoins:

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1031/topicons/
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus

Re: Égaliseur virtuel

[didier gaumet]

Le 04/07/2019 à 00:12, hamster a écrit :
> Le 03/07/2019 à 23:46, benoit...@ouvaton.org a écrit :
>> Je me suis mal exprimé dans mon précédant post.
>> Ce que je recherche est un égaliseur virtuel.
> 
> http://linuxmao.org/Cat%C3%A9gorie+effets+audio
> Je te laisse chercher le mot "égaliseur" (avec un accent sur le é) dans
> la colonne "description".


pour compléter la réponse de Hamster, si tu as juste besoin d'un
égaliseur lors du visionnage de vidéos ou de l'écoute de musique, si tu
utilises VLC pour ça, il n'y a besoin de rien installer, VLC dispose
d'un égaliseur graphique 10 bandes (Menu Outils / Effets et Filtres)

Re: Debian Buster RC2 : Mise en veille systématique

[Daniel Caillibaud]

Le 04/07/19 à  0h33, Christian Quentin
 a écrit :
> Je ne souhaite pas nécessairement utiliser les modes de veille, le PC
> démarre sur un SSD et un arrêt/rédémarrage classique me conviendrait
> tout à fait ! 
> 
> Si vous avez des idées de pistes à explorer, je suis preneur. 

Pour sortir d'une veille, regarde dans le bios s'il y a des réglages pour
ça.

Pour éviter d'entrer en veille, c'est dans les réglages de ton système
(pour cinnamon c'est paramètres système / gestion d'alimentation), et comme
solution radicale tu peux essayer de retirer les paquets qui gèrent la
veille, mais y'a des chances pour qu'ils soient requis par ton gestionnaire
de bureau.

-- 
Daniel

Ni l'ignorance n'est défaut d'esprit, ni le savoir n'est preuve de génie
Vauvenargues

[RESOLVED/Thanks] Re: Debian Perl or Brew Perl for production application?

[Didar Hossain]

On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 01:36:52PM +0200, Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
> On 7/2/19 11:20 AM, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 06:30:19PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> I tend to stick to Debian packages as my primary choice, resorting
> >> to off-distribution packages when needed (e.g. not packaged for
> >> Debian, or I /need/ a newer version). Of course it takes some foresight
> >> to guess in advance whether you expect such a situation in the
> >> future.
> >>
> >> Rationale: they mesh better with the flow of system updates/upgrades.
> >>
> >> I've found Perl packaging in Debian outstanding. The Debian Perl
> >> packaging team does a damn good job indeed.
> > 
> > Pretty much the same here.  I was initially hired as a Perl developer,
> > then gradually moved into more sysadmin duties and, in both roles, I
> > prefer to stick with the Debian-packaged perl binary.  It gets me
> > security updates as needed and the only reasons I see a particular need
> > for PerlBrew and the like are:
> > 
> > 1) You need different compile-time options than Debian chooses
> > 
> > 2) You need access to a feature that's only present in a newer-than-
> >Debian Perl version
> > 
> > 3) You want to have the "latest and greatest" for its own sake
> > 
> > Personally, I've never encountered #1 or #2 in practice and if #3
> > mattered to me, then I wouldn't be running Debian stable in the first
> > place.
> > 
> 
> +1 here, but in case one need the "latest and greatest" modules, in most
> cases it's dead simple to package a not-yet-packaged module with
> cpan2deb from dh-make-perl package.
> 
> One of the benefits of this approach, is that you don't need to bring
> compilers and sources of the dependencies to the production machine.
> Build packages on a "development" node and install binary packages on
> the production.
> 
> In case you need to replicate the setup, or you have more than one
> machine one can maintain a repository,making installation of a new
> system way easier.
> 
> And you also can contribute back to Debian in case you packaged a new
> software.
> 
> Best,
> Alex

Thank you all for your responses. 

My position was indeed to stick with debian packages for the same reasons you
all mentioned. I am simply prone to self-doubt as my background is more of a
systems admin rather than a developer.

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
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Don't force it; get a larger hammer.

Re: armv7 vs buster sudo complains about hostname or something

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 July 2019 02:47:50 Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Mi, 03 iul 19, 20:26:48, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 July 2019 18:06:18 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > > Hi Gene!
> > >
> > > On 7/3/19 10:42 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Just one of the things its taken over. Now we have a different
> > > > command to set the hostname too if you want it to stick over a
> > > > reboot.  Someone a couple weeks ago showed me how to do that for
> > > > hostname only. I've no clue how it does that because it can do
> > > > it even if /etc/hostname has been made immutable. In fact I'd
> > > > call that a major security breech.
>
> I don't remember using hostnamectl on my Pine A64. For reference:
>
> /etc/hostname:
> pine64
>
> /etc/hosts:
> 192.168.0.64  pine64
> 127.0.0.1 localhost
>
> ::1   localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
>
> ff02::1   ip6-allnodes
> ff02::2   ip6-allrouters
>
> > IF, note all caps, then why does sudo bitch so much?
>
> I seem to recall sudo cares about /etc/hosts.

But I have that address TAB hostname.domain.name TAB alias in the hosts 
file. No errors there.

> Kind regards,
> Andrei


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Passer de Debian Stretch 32 bits à 64 bits

[Daniel Caillibaud]

Le 03/07/19 à 19h45, Sébastien NOBILI  a écrit :
> Tout à fait d’accord. Pendant le processus, tu vas souvent amener ton
> frontal APT (apt-get, aptitude) à renoncer car trop de paquets sont
> cassés. Mets-toi dans la meilleure situation possible : système sain.

+1

Et même comme ça, il arrive que le dist-upgrade provoque des conflits (en
général parce qu'une dépendance d'un paquet installé n'existe plus,
quand tout vient de l'archive stable normalement c'est géré par le
dist-upgrade, mais pas toujours si on a différents dépôts), dans ce cas je
préfère toujours :
- annuler l'upgrade
- virer les paquets en conflit
- faire l'upgrade
- remettre ces paquets

-- 
Daniel

L'age d'or, c'était lorsque l'or n'existait pas.
Voltaire

Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

[andreimpopescu]

On Mi, 03 iul 19, 21:03:19, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 July 2019 16:12:31 Reco wrote:
> 
> And Gene moved. Question unanswered yet.
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:57:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Regardless of what I do, I cannot get rid of the avahi junk in an ip
> > > a report, so my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 net is the only thing that
> > > works. pinging a net name like yahoo.com gets me a successful
> > > address. But no response from yahoo because its sending the ping
> > > from an avahi based address, which since thats outside of my /24
> > > netmask, doesn't get thru the router.
> > >
> > > So, how do I get rid of the avahi stuff?
> > >
> > > I've a nominally 10 machine 192.168.nn.xx that is 100% static based
> > > on host files so I want avahi absolutely and totally neutered,
> > > emasculated, gone Forever plus 100 years at least.
> > >
> > > How can I do that?

It's not necessarily avahi doing that. A DHCP client might also 
configure a 169.254.*.* address for you if it doesn't receive a reply.

In order to have the slightest chance of helping you it is necessary for 
you to provide the information as per below.

Files should preferably be attached, to avoid issues with copy-paste. 

Please do not edit anything except to obscure private information (e.g. 
passwords or a public IP you don't want to post).


1. content of /etc/network/interfaces and all files under 
/etc/network/interfaces.d/

(I seem to recall you are using ifupdown)

2. Full output of:
apt list --installed 'network-manager*' # might be empty
apt list --installed 'avahi*' # might be empty
systemctl status systemd-networkd
ip a # short for 'ip address'
ip r # short for 'ip route'

3. Information on anything (and I do mean anything) else you might have 
done to your network configuration after installing buster, including 
but not limited to:
 * installing stuff, especially if from source
 * removing stuff (especially if not 'purged', dpkg -l would tell)
 * manual changes to files (deletions/permissions/etc.
 (especially those unnecessary "fixes" you call "neutering")

For the record/archives: other users are not seeing your problems.

Buster is - at least for me - the best Debian release yet.

The problems you are seeing are, at least partially, of your own doing, 
most likely due to wrong configuration and an approach of using the 
equivalent of a shotgun to kill a fly and then complaining your walls 
are full of holes.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: armv7 vs buster sudo complains about hostname or something

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 03 iul 19, 20:26:48, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 July 2019 18:06:18 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gene!
> >
> > On 7/3/19 10:42 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Just one of the things its taken over. Now we have a different
> > > command to set the hostname too if you want it to stick over a
> > > reboot.  Someone a couple weeks ago showed me how to do that for
> > > hostname only. I've no clue how it does that because it can do it
> > > even if /etc/hostname has been made immutable. In fact I'd call that
> > > a major security breech.

I don't remember using hostnamectl on my Pine A64. For reference:

/etc/hostname:
pine64

/etc/hosts:
192.168.0.64pine64
127.0.0.1   localhost
::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters


> IF, note all caps, then why does sudo bitch so much?

I seem to recall sudo cares about /etc/hosts.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Accents

[Narcis Garcia]

__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
El 3/7/19 a les 8:37, Orestes Mas ha escrit:
> El 2/7/19 a les 17:07, Jordi ha escrit:
>> Bones. en aquesta carta no hi ficare accents, ja que aquest es el
>> problema que tinc.
>>
>>
>> El meu ordinador ja fa temps que anava molt justet i volia esperar que
>> surtis el "Buster" per fer els canvis de maquinari necessaris.
>>
>> Finalment he canviat la placa, el processador, memoria i targeta
>> grafica abans per aixi poder resoldre els problemes que puguin sortir
>> durant els canvis.
>>
>> Despres em vaig passar a Stretch 64 bits amb una instal·lacio "bruta"
>> partint de Stretch 32 bits --error !!!-- pero tot plegat es com fregar
>> el terra sense haver escombrat abans. Com tinc copies de seguretat de
>> /etc i /home entre altres coses, vaig decidir fer net i fer la
>> instal·lacio ben feta i aixi aprofitar per eliminar un mun de
>> programari inutil. ( amb tot aixo vull referir-me basicament al fil
>> "debian 10 no", aconsello de tant en tant fer net..). Ara tinc
>> l'ordinador que em tira de conya pero amb alguna pega que fins que no
>> surti "Buster" no em preocupara massa.
>>
>> El problema es el seguent : Primer les lletres accentuades surten be,
>> pero despres durant el dia es canvien a: `a `e `i `o `u ´a´e´i´o´u
>> ¨a¨e¨i¨o¨u, no se que fer per poder localitzar el problema, ja que com
>> dic, al principi va be, pero despres no se perque es canvia. Faig
>> servir el cinnamon i, o sento, els controladors nvidia privatius.
> 
> A mi això em passa de tant en tant en un dels ordinadors que tinc, i amb
> algunes aplicacions concretes. Ara no puc ser més precís perquè no ho
> tinc davant, he fet alguna actualització i no he verificat si encara
> passa. El més curiós és que si canviava el focus a una altra aplicació i
> després tornava a la que tenia el problema, aleshores ja tornava a
> funcionar correctament.
> 
> No he investigat més perquè el problema no és massa freqüent i amb el
> "workaround" aquest ja vaig tirant.


En el teu cas és claríssim que es tracta de la gestió de distribució de
teclat, que actua definida per aplicació. És una característica que se
sol configurar amb l'eina que permet canviar de distribució de teclat
«al vol»; cada escriptori té la seva.

Adjunto el programet corrector que vaig esmentar l'altre dia.
Si cal que el posi al dia m'ho dieu.
S'instal·la així:
$ chmod +x maintain-xkb.sh
$ sudo ./maintain-xkb.sh install
$ ./maintain-xkb.sh install

A la següent sessió es tracta d'habilitar el «Mantenir XKB layout» de
les aplicacions d'inici de l'escriptori.


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Re: Oldest Usable x86 CPU for Stretch (Was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?)

[andreimpopescu]

On Jo, 04 iul 19, 01:47:58, Matthew Crews wrote:
> 
> You know, this got me thinking. What *is* the oldest 32-bit x86 CPU that
> we can use in Stretch for a VM host? And assuming we are talking
> out-of-the-box experience, ie I download a standard ISO and fire it up.

This might get you started:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686

Kind regards,
Andrei
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