Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread tomas
On Sat, Dec 07, 2019 at 04:24:33PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Dec 2019 19:20:09 +0100
> Hans  wrote:
> 
> > maybe owncloud or nextcloud are interesting options for you. As the
> > name says: Your own cloud.
> 
> Thank you for recommending those before I did. I run nextcloud here,
> and prefer it over owncloud. It seems to have advanced considerably
> over owncloud since the nextcloud was forked from owncloud.

FWIW, over this side of the pond there are for-pay providers who offer
nextcloud services (e.g. mailbox.org, 1 EUR/month, e-mail plus nextcloud,
you can even pay cash, so max anonymity; uberspace, pay what you want
(they recommend 5 EUR/month to cover costs -- web site but also
nextcloud and friends).

One example for the other side of the pond is riseup.net -- but they
don't offer nextcloud, afaik; mail, mailing lists, wikis, pastebin,
off the top of my head.

There are more and more small businesses with interesting approaches
and perhaps other leading principles than squeezing the last drop
out of their customers. They never become big -- investor capital
usually goes elsewhere, but they are there, and often manage to
be sustainable, so keep your eyes open.

Cheers
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Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread tomas
On Sat, Dec 07, 2019 at 11:39:42PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 07 Dec 2019 at 18:23:27 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:

[Account of break in which we can't either prove or disprove, yet]

> There was no break-in.

That there was no break-in is a myth. You never provided any
evidence. That is enough for me to completely ignore what you
are writing.

(Sorry, Brian: I couldn't resist using your own words)

Cheers
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Xonar SE

2019-12-07 Thread Jefferson Pizarro Gutierrez
Hola, tengo un problema, uso una tarjeta de Sonido Asus Xonar SE. El problema 
es que no tengo audio con la tarjeta de sonido. Yo uso la salida SPDIF de la 
tarjeta de sonido. en el ultimo debian. que debo hacer para poder poner por 
defecto el audio del SPDIF de la tarjeta de sonido en vez de los otros 
dispositivos de audio. Agradesco su colaboracion.

Enviado desde mi iPhone


Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 16:24:33 -0700
Charles Curley  wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Dec 2019 19:20:09 +0100
> Hans  wrote:

...

> > But in the debian repo I only found the client stuff, however I might
> > to remember, the server site were also available in debian (I might
> > be wrong).
> 
> I don't see the server packages on Debian's web site. Not to worry. I

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816376
https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-owncloud-maintainers/2016-March/002899.html

> have installed using their installer and instructions, and had no
> problems. https://nextcloud.com/install/#instructions-server

You don't even need to work with zip files; upstream offers Debian
compatible .deb files via direct download or a repository:

https://software.opensuse.org/download/package?project=isv:ownCloud:community:8.0=owncloud
https://owncloud.org/news/upgrading-owncloud-on-debian-stable-to-official-packages/

Celejar



Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 07 Dec 2019 19:20:09 +0100
Hans  wrote:

> maybe owncloud or nextcloud are interesting options for you. As the
> name says: Your own cloud.

Thank you for recommending those before I did. I run nextcloud here,
and prefer it over owncloud. It seems to have advanced considerably
over owncloud since the nextcloud was forked from owncloud.

> 
> But in the debian repo I only found the client stuff, however I might
> to remember, the server site were also available in debian (I might
> be wrong).

I don't see the server packages on Debian's web site. Not to worry. I
have installed using their installer and instructions, and had no
problems. https://nextcloud.com/install/#instructions-server

IMNSHO it should suit the OP quite well.

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Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Brian
On Sat 07 Dec 2019 at 18:23:27 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> I had to close my original account as a result of the break in, and you
> know what was really interesting?  The account compromise happened after
> I set the account to two-step authentication.  For a while it had been a
> lesser security account.
> It's possible the break in happened since at the time I enabled two-step
> authentication I didn't know about setting up app-passwords for mua's
> used to connect to the account, but I don't know for sure on that one.

There was no break-in.

-- 
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Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Jude DaShiell
I had to close my original account as a result of the break in, and you
know what was really interesting?  The account compromise happened after
I set the account to two-step authentication.  For a while it had been a
lesser security account.
It's possible the break in happened since at the time I enabled two-step
authentication I didn't know about setting up app-passwords for mua's
used to connect to the account, but I don't know for sure on that one.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019, Brian wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:20:57
> From: Brian 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: dropbox security situation
> Resent-Date: Sat,  7 Dec 2019 22:21:22 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Sat 07 Dec 2019 at 16:45:34 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > One first-hand experience on google account hacking and contacting
> > others who were not surprised when I described my situation in earlier
> > email.
>
> Widespread breaking into Google accounts is a myth. You and your
> correspondents never provide any evidence. That is enough for me to
> completely ignore anything that is said about the matter.
>
> I am amazed that anyone with a strong password (as you say you have)
> is the least bit bothered about their gmail account being broken into/
>
> > Two, no change password dropbox will not allow login, so not possible to
> > ignore.
>
> Then, as a customer of dropbox, you do what they tell you.
>
>

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Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Brian
On Sat 07 Dec 2019 at 16:45:34 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> One first-hand experience on google account hacking and contacting
> others who were not surprised when I described my situation in earlier
> email.

Widespread breaking into Google accounts is a myth. You and your
correspondents never provide any evidence. That is enough for me to
completely ignore anything that is said about the matter.

I am amazed that anyone with a strong password (as you say you have)
is the least bit bothered about their gmail account being broken into/

> Two, no change password dropbox will not allow login, so not possible to
> ignore.

Then, as a customer of dropbox, you do what they tell you.

-- 
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Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Jude DaShiell
One first-hand experience on google account hacking and contacting
others who were not surprised when I described my situation in earlier
email.
Two, no change password dropbox will not allow login, so not possible to
ignore.
On Sat, 7 Dec 2019, Brian wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:56:28
> From: Brian 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: dropbox security situation
> Resent-Date: Sat,  7 Dec 2019 20:56:43 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Sat 07 Dec 2019 at 12:06:37 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Recently I created a dropbox account with my gmail account.  Very shortly
> > after creation I was refused access since dropbox claimed someone tried
> > to change the password on my account and they weren't sure it was me so
> > got prompted to change my password.
>
> Many services do indeed warn a user when someone tries *unsuccessfully*
> to change a password. Actually, it might be the user themselves, and she
> has forgotten the original password. The unsuccessful attempt triggers a
> warning email.
>
> You were (we assume) only prompted (not forced) to change the password.
> That's normal. You have no need to change because you already have a
> twenty character, high entropy password for gmail, so you haven't any
> reason to be worried. Ignore what you got from dropbox if it is possible.
>
> > What I don't know is if high probability exists this happened or if
> > dropbox does this with everyone that first creates an account using google
> > credentials to get new passwords on those accounts.  It would be good to
> > know one way or the other since the former scenario is more serious than
> > the latter.  I deleted dropbox and anything linked to it from all of my
> > devices and am thinking to use a different email address with a strong
> > password for a future dropbox account and expect will be changing my
> > google password shortly as well.  The password on google I used was strong
> > but google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked.
>
> Google accounts are routinely hacked? Routinely? I do not know where you
> picked that up from. It's nonsense.
>
>

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Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Brian
On Sat 07 Dec 2019 at 12:06:37 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Recently I created a dropbox account with my gmail account.  Very shortly
> after creation I was refused access since dropbox claimed someone tried
> to change the password on my account and they weren't sure it was me so
> got prompted to change my password.

Many services do indeed warn a user when someone tries *unsuccessfully*
to change a password. Actually, it might be the user themselves, and she
has forgotten the original password. The unsuccessful attempt triggers a
warning email.

You were (we assume) only prompted (not forced) to change the password.
That's normal. You have no need to change because you already have a
twenty character, high entropy password for gmail, so you haven't any
reason to be worried. Ignore what you got from dropbox if it is possible.

> What I don't know is if high probability exists this happened or if
> dropbox does this with everyone that first creates an account using google
> credentials to get new passwords on those accounts.  It would be good to
> know one way or the other since the former scenario is more serious than
> the latter.  I deleted dropbox and anything linked to it from all of my
> devices and am thinking to use a different email address with a strong
> password for a future dropbox account and expect will be changing my
> google password shortly as well.  The password on google I used was strong
> but google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked.

Google accounts are routinely hacked? Routinely? I do not know where you
picked that up from. It's nonsense.

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Re: Double carte graphique sur Debian

2019-12-07 Thread Dethegeek
Bonjour

Pour info, ma config à l'aide de xserver-xorg patché fonctionne sans problème 
avec gzdoom (un jeu vidéo donc). Par contre mes cartes étant peu performantes, 
j'ai joué en plein écran sur un seul moniteur.

Bumblebee, de mémoire c'est pour les pc portables avec le gpu intégré au 
processeur (peu puissant) + un GPU puissant. 

Du coup, la config à faire porte sur un fixe ou un portable ??

Le 7 décembre 2019 10:27:13 GMT+01:00, Jean Bernon  a écrit :
>Non ça ne semble pas très compliqué. Si tu veux utiliser une
>application avec la double carte, il faut simplement la lancer en ligne
>de commande avec le préfixe optirun. Mais concrètement c'est surtout
>utile pour certaines applications qui utilisent des images
>sophistiquées, 3D par exemple, typiquement des jeux vidéo. Or je
>n'utilise jamais d'applications de ce type. J'utilise des applis
>classiques et côté image au mieux je retouche des images avec Gimp, ce
>qui ne nécessite pas d'utiliser la double carte. 
>
>- Mail original - 
>
>> De: "G2PC" 
>> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
>> Envoyé: Vendredi 6 Décembre 2019 14:12:13
>> Objet: Re: Double carte graphique sur Debian
>
>> Le 06/12/2019 à 10:44, Jean Bernon a écrit :
>> > As-tu regardé https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee ?
>> > Apparemment ça sert à utiliser la carte complémentaire pour
>> > certaines applications comme les jeux. J'ai installé parce que
>> > j'ai une double carte graphique, mais en fait après avoir testé
>> > (commande "optirun glxgears") je ne m'en sers jamais et ne peux
>> > guère t'en dire plus.
>
>> Quand tu dis que tu ne t'en sert jamais, pourquoi ? Trop compliqué ?

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Re: sed question

2019-12-07 Thread Michael

On Friday, December 6, 2019 6:06:10 PM CET, songbird wrote:

result=`echo "summary: \"\"" | sed -e "s/^summary: .*$/summary: 
\"${old_summary}\"/"`


of course this doesn't work. since you use '/' (slash) as delimiter in the 
sed expression, the slash in $old_summary is interpreted as the delimiter, 
and the rest (everything after the third slash doesn't make any sense to 
sed.


in this case, you have to escape all slashes in $old_summary to allow sed 
to do what you want.


try this:

result=`echo "summary: \"\"" | sed -e "s/^summary: .*$/summary: 
\"${old_summary//\//\\\/}\"/"`


greetings...



Re: carte reseau en panne

2019-12-07 Thread hamster
Le 05/12/2019 à 16:21, Frédéric MASSOT a écrit :
> Et que donne :
>
> $ sudo ethtool eth0

~# ethtool eth0
Settings for eth0:
    Supported ports: [ MII ]
    Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
        100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
    Supported pause frame use: No
    Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
    Supported FEC modes: Not reported
    Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
        100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
    Advertised pause frame use: Symmetric Receive-only
    Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
    Advertised FEC modes: Not reported
    Speed: 100Mb/s
    Duplex: Full
    Port: Twisted Pair
    PHYAD: 1
    Transceiver: internal
    Auto-negotiation: on
    MDI-X: Unknown
    Supports Wake-on: g
    Wake-on: d
    Current message level: 0x00ff (255)
               drv probe link timer ifdown ifup rx_err tx_err
    Link detected: yes

J'ai aussi lancé dhclient, le curseur va a la ligne, ne rend pas le
promt et il ne se passe rien pendant longtemps, jusqu'a ce qu'on
l'arrete avec control C.



CVE-2019-14899

2019-12-07 Thread Fabián Bonetti
Que me dicen de esto?

https://fossbytes.com/hackers-hijack-vpn-connections-new-linux-vulnerability/
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http://redsocial.freesite.vip/user/fabianbonetti
http://paste.freesite.vip



Re: sed question

2019-12-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 06 dec 19, 14:50:51, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 02:40:49PM -0500, songbird wrote:
> > Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > ...
> > > Ideally, you'd just stop trying to use sed with user-supplied variables
> > > injected into the code.  Sed was never built to be safe for that kind of
> > > work.
> > 
> >   sed was designed to operate on streams.  a sequence of 
> > characters is a stream.  i don't see any reason why 
> > putting the variable into the middle of that expression 
> > means anything different.
> 
> It was designed to accept a program in argv[] and execute that program
> on its input, which is a stream.
> 
> You are injecting your end-user variables inside sed's program.  This
> is called code injection.  End-user data is being parsed as code by
> a code interpreter (in this case, sed).
> 
> The workarounds for this are:
> 
> 1) Carefully quote/dequote/escape/mangle the end-user data so that
>after it has been injected into the code, it will achieve the desired
>goal.
> 
> 2) Use some other tool or method of supplying the end-user data so that
>it is never parsed as code by any interpreter.

As usual, your posts are very valuable. I will openly admit I have 
learned a lot from them (as well as from your wiki).
 
> If you insist on doing #1, so be it.  It's your damned computer, and your
> damned problem.  I can only warn you and be ignored so many times
> before I give up and let your fuck yourself, as you so vehemently and
> stubbornly eager to do.

This last paragraph could have been left out though.

Using such language will only diminish the value of / distract from the 
valuable explanations above.

You can't save them all :)

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Hans
Hi Jude,

maybe owncloud or nextcloud are interesting options for you. As the name says: 
Your own cloud.

But in the debian repo I only found the client stuff, however I might to 
remember, the server site were also available in debian (I might be wrong).

Best 

Hans


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Re: sed question

2019-12-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 06 dec 19, 14:40:49, songbird wrote:
> 
>   the point of doing something in bash is to do it quick and
> see if the concept is useful enough.  if enough people decide
> to use it then it can be more formalized.

We often build prototypes / proof-of-concept / experiments that live 
much longer than originally intended.

It's a good idea to do it right from the start and not suffer the 
consequences later (sometimes many years later) and at a much bigger 
scale.

An extreme example:
https://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/7928/why-are-ipv4-addresses-32-bit

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Jude DaShiell
On Sat, 7 Dec 2019, Hans wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 12:49:17
> From: Hans 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: dropbox security situation
>
> Am Samstag, 7. Dezember 2019, 18:06:37 CET schrieb Jude DaShiell:
> Hi Jude,
>
> I know, there were several security issues with dropbox in the past, that
> frightened me. So dropbox would not be my first choice, although it is most
> used by people. (Windows is also most used by people, think of your own).
>
> My search lead me to nextcloud or SpiderOakOne. SpiderOakOne is my personal
> favourite, because it is cheap and had no serious security issues (as far as I
> know). And it is opensource.
>
> However, there are a lot of cloud solutions offered, many are closed source,
> some are open source. Dropbox is just the best known.
>
> Putting files into a cloud is IMHO always a risk, you know, they are in the
> internet, but you do not know WHERE.
>
> To your question: I do not believe, that this was a direct attack, I more
> beilieve, this was just an attack by some automatically and unmanned bots.
>
> Trusting third parties like dropbox and all the others is always a risk and
> secret data should always be under ones own control. Always!
>
> So, this were just my thoughts of your message.
>
> Best regards
>
> Hans
> > Recently I created a dropbox account with my gmail account.  Very shortly
> > after creation I was refused access since dropbox claimed someone tried
> > to change the password on my account and they weren't sure it was me so
> > got prompted to change my password.
> > What I don't know is if high probability exists this happened or if
> > dropbox does this with everyone that first creates an account using google
> > credentials to get new passwords on those accounts.  It would be good to
> > know one way or the other since the former scenario is more serious than
> > the latter.  I deleted dropbox and anything linked to it from all of my
> > devices and am thinking to use a different email address with a strong
> > password for a future dropbox account and expect will be changing my
> > google password shortly as well.  The password on google I used was strong
> > but google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked.
> >
Thanks Hans, The only reason I had for using dropbox is orgsley on
android will link to it with other possibility being webdav and since
I've never done anything with webdav yet one of my concerns about using
that solution is I'd like to confine webdav to local network and it's
possible if this got done even if it was possible might break webdev.
There is a local directory option in orgsley but I haven't been able to
figure out how to get the phone and computer linked even with wi-fi so my
computer directories show up on my phone when a browse gets done.
I'm thinking it best to backup directly to a nas once internet access is
off and take the nas off the system once backup gets done then have
internet off while doing any kind of restore.  I have external drives
available for this locally.

> > > > > > -- > >

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Re: dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Hans
Am Samstag, 7. Dezember 2019, 18:06:37 CET schrieb Jude DaShiell:
Hi Jude,

I know, there were several security issues with dropbox in the past, that 
frightened me. So dropbox would not be my first choice, although it is most 
used by people. (Windows is also most used by people, think of your own).

My search lead me to nextcloud or SpiderOakOne. SpiderOakOne is my personal 
favourite, because it is cheap and had no serious security issues (as far as I 
know). And it is opensource.

However, there are a lot of cloud solutions offered, many are closed source, 
some are open source. Dropbox is just the best known.

Putting files into a cloud is IMHO always a risk, you know, they are in the 
internet, but you do not know WHERE. 

To your question: I do not believe, that this was a direct attack, I more 
beilieve, this was just an attack by some automatically and unmanned bots. 

Trusting third parties like dropbox and all the others is always a risk and 
secret data should always be under ones own control. Always!

So, this were just my thoughts of your message.

Best regards

Hans
> Recently I created a dropbox account with my gmail account.  Very shortly
> after creation I was refused access since dropbox claimed someone tried
> to change the password on my account and they weren't sure it was me so
> got prompted to change my password.
> What I don't know is if high probability exists this happened or if
> dropbox does this with everyone that first creates an account using google
> credentials to get new passwords on those accounts.  It would be good to
> know one way or the other since the former scenario is more serious than
> the latter.  I deleted dropbox and anything linked to it from all of my
> devices and am thinking to use a different email address with a strong
> password for a future dropbox account and expect will be changing my
> google password shortly as well.  The password on google I used was strong
> but google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked.
> 
> 
> 
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dropbox security situation

2019-12-07 Thread Jude DaShiell
Recently I created a dropbox account with my gmail account.  Very shortly
after creation I was refused access since dropbox claimed someone tried
to change the password on my account and they weren't sure it was me so
got prompted to change my password.
What I don't know is if high probability exists this happened or if
dropbox does this with everyone that first creates an account using google
credentials to get new passwords on those accounts.  It would be good to
know one way or the other since the former scenario is more serious than
the latter.  I deleted dropbox and anything linked to it from all of my
devices and am thinking to use a different email address with a strong
password for a future dropbox account and expect will be changing my
google password shortly as well.  The password on google I used was strong
but google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked.



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Re: sed question

2019-12-07 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Sat, 7 Dec 2019, at 14:20, songbird wrote:
> The Wanderer wrote:
> 
> ...  about various characters and then @ in particular ...
> 
> > As far as I can see, at least on my keyboard, that pretty much just
> > leaves @. It does still sometimes occur in paths and filenames, so it's
> > not really ideal, but it's probably less common there than any of the
> > non-special-meaning others.
> 
>   my specific use wasn't for paths or file names but text in
> general which i'd previously typed in as a summary.  so rarely
> any special characters in there at all (other than the end of
> line characters).  it was always delimited by triple "'s so i
> had to split that chunk to get rid of those.

On other systems I've got around this by translating the strings to a 
hex representation, then issued the command in hex terms, so eg 
instead of 

  this = "first string"
  that = "new value"
 "c /"this"/"that"/"

I've had 

  thishex =  c2x(this) ie: "666972737420737472696E67"
  thathex = c2x(that)ie: "6E65772076616C7565"

"c /'"thishex"'/'"thathex"'/"

which is to say 

"c /'666972737420737472696E67'/'6E65772076616C7565'/"



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Re: Alternate delimiters (for sed) above decimal 127? (was Re: sed question)

2019-12-07 Thread David Wright
On Sat 07 Dec 2019 at 09:27:59 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, December 07, 2019 07:20:35 AM The Wanderer wrote:
> > Yep - using '/' is only a standard convention, it's not required. When
> > writing an s-expression which I know will be passed a path, I generally
> > use '@' myself; that A: is conveniently typable on the keyboard, B: is a
> > comparatively rare character to find in either path or filename, C:
> > doesn't have special meaning as part of a regular expression, and D:
> > unlike most of the other characters that fit the other criteria, isn't
> > treated specially by most shells that I know of.
> > 
> > 
> > `~!#$&*()={}|\;"'<> are all treated specially by bash, in at least some
> > circumstances. (Assuming I haven't mixed anything up.)
> > 
> > $^*()+[]|\.? are treated specially as part of a regular expression.
> > 
> > !%&()_+=-:;'",./? are comparatively common in paths and/or filenames.
> > 
> > As far as I can see, at least on my keyboard, that pretty much just
> > leaves @. It does still sometimes occur in paths and filenames, so it's
> > not really ideal, but it's probably less common there than any of the
> > non-special-meaning others.
> 
> I'm not the OP, but thanks for the explanation / discussion.
> 
> I just have a wild idea / question.  Those are (iirc) all ASCII characters, 
> (basically 7 bits) (yes, I know they are in an 8 bit byte), I wonder if SED 
> (and AWK) could use something in, well, is it called the 2nd code page (I 
> forget), but some character like the degree symbol (which, iirc, is something 
> like 240 octal?).  Also, although I haven't used it in a very long time, it 
> seems there is (or was) a means to do something like type 240 to 
> actually 
> enter the degree sign.

I won't speak to awk, but sed requires the delimiters to be single
bytes.  A "penalty" for using utf8 throughout the system is that the
top bit has to be 0 in single byte characters because setting the
top bit indicates there's at least one more byte in the character.

> Oh, hmm, 240 doesn't do it, maybe something has changed (or, more 
> likely, 
> I'm mis-remembering ;-)

If *my* memory serves, isn't that how M$ systems used to enter
characters? Anyway, you can make things a lot easier for yourself
by defining characters in a way that makes sense to you. For example,
I use degrees ° quite often and type it with three keystrokes:
  
I rely on the defaults (wherever they originate) as much as possible
(they seem to make sense), but I add quite a lot more, and have
endeavoured to make VCs and X behave similarly:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/07/msg00926.html

Cheers,
David.



Özelleştirilmiş Pardus Debian

2019-12-07 Thread M . Mustafa Özaydın
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Re: sed question

2019-12-07 Thread songbird
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
...

  pre processing for that one character using a different delimiter
and then processing the results of that with the original delimiter
seems to cover everything i'm worried about.  :)

> One trick to avoid this problems is to use a different delimiter, e.g. '|'.
>
> According to the manual[1][2] any other character is accepted.
>
> [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html#The-_0022s_0022-Command
> [2] as with many (most? all?) GNU programs the full documentation is=20
> available only as a Texinfo manual, not a man page.

  yeah...


  songbird



Re: sed question

2019-12-07 Thread songbird
The Wanderer wrote:

...  about various characters and then @ in particular ...

> As far as I can see, at least on my keyboard, that pretty much just
> leaves @. It does still sometimes occur in paths and filenames, so it's
> not really ideal, but it's probably less common there than any of the
> non-special-meaning others.

  my specific use wasn't for paths or file names but text in
general which i'd previously typed in as a summary.  so rarely
any special characters in there at all (other than the end of
line characters).  it was always delimited by triple "'s so i
had to split that chunk to get rid of those.


  songbird



Alternate delimiters (for sed) above decimal 127? (was Re: sed question)

2019-12-07 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, December 07, 2019 07:20:35 AM The Wanderer wrote:
> Yep - using '/' is only a standard convention, it's not required. When
> writing an s-expression which I know will be passed a path, I generally
> use '@' myself; that A: is conveniently typable on the keyboard, B: is a
> comparatively rare character to find in either path or filename, C:
> doesn't have special meaning as part of a regular expression, and D:
> unlike most of the other characters that fit the other criteria, isn't
> treated specially by most shells that I know of.
> 
> 
> `~!#$&*()={}|\;"'<> are all treated specially by bash, in at least some
> circumstances. (Assuming I haven't mixed anything up.)
> 
> $^*()+[]|\.? are treated specially as part of a regular expression.
> 
> !%&()_+=-:;'",./? are comparatively common in paths and/or filenames.
> 
> As far as I can see, at least on my keyboard, that pretty much just
> leaves @. It does still sometimes occur in paths and filenames, so it's
> not really ideal, but it's probably less common there than any of the
> non-special-meaning others.

I'm not the OP, but thanks for the explanation / discussion.

I just have a wild idea / question.  Those are (iirc) all ASCII characters, 
(basically 7 bits) (yes, I know they are in an 8 bit byte), I wonder if SED 
(and AWK) could use something in, well, is it called the 2nd code page (I 
forget), but some character like the degree symbol (which, iirc, is something 
like 240 octal?).  Also, although I haven't used it in a very long time, it 
seems there is (or was) a means to do something like type 240 to actually 
enter the degree sign.

Oh, hmm, 240 doesn't do it, maybe something has changed (or, more likely, 
I'm mis-remembering ;-)



Re: ¿Instalar gnome ofline?

2019-12-07 Thread Felix Perez
El sáb., 7 de dic. de 2019 a la(s) 07:37, mauro
(maurosebastian...@gmail.com) escribió:
>
> Buenos días compañeros, soy nuevo por aquí, y he venido con mi primera
> consulta.
>
Vale.
>
> Soy una persona ciega, y ya he sabido que el instalador de debian en sus
> últimas versiones trae un sintetizador para asistir en el proceso, y lo
> he probado un par de veces y está genial.
>
Si, yo sin tener alguna capacidad diferente lo he probado y ayuda bastante.
>
> Mi consulta, es la siguiente.
>
> como dice en la página de ayuda, el entorno de escritorio gnome es el
> más accesible para el orca, y no sé bien cual versión del instalador lo
> trae, si el CD, o alguno de los DVDS, en la versión para una instalación
> sin internet.
>
Lo debiera traer por defecto, sobre todo en los medios mas orientados
al escritorio:

Desde la página de Debian:
"Debian 10 buster se publica con varios entornos y aplicaciones para
el escritorio. Debian ahora incluye, entre otros:
Cinnamon 3.8,
GNOME 3.30,
KDE Plasma 5.14,
LXDE 0.99.2,
LXQt 0.14,
MATE 1.20,
Xfce 4.12."

>
> ¿Qué debo descargar para poder instalar el sistema base y el escritorio
> gnome ofline?
>
Yo descargaría los DVDs

Te dejo información acerca de medios completos para instalar:
https://www.debian.org/CD/

Y para instalar yo bajaría los tres DVDs desde aquí, si tienes un
equipo amd64, sino nos avisas:
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/

Con eso tendrías todo lo necesario para instalar offline lo que
desees, obviamente después conectarte a internet para actualizar.

Solo escribe y te ayudamos.

>
> Desde ya muchas gracias,
>
> un saludo.
>


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Re: Netwerk basis voor VM op een laptop. libvirt

2019-12-07 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Dec 02, 2019 at 07:42:45PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 01, 2019 at 01:25:31PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > 
> > Graag jullie advies voor de combinatie van Virtual Machines
> > en een reizende laptop. Vanaf de laptop kun je altijd bij de VM.
> > 
> > De wens is zoveel mogelijk network connectivity voor de VM.
> > 
> > De uitdaging is dat laptop soms een ethernet verbinding heeft,
> > soms een WIFI verbinding en soms geen "uplink".
> > 
> > Om van de "host" laptop bij de "guest VM" te kunnen komen,
> > zal er iets nodig zijn als een bridge.
> 
> Niet waar.
> 
> Als je libvirt installeert, is het netwerk met de naam "default" een
> intern netwerk dat gekoppeld is aan de "virbr0" interface, waarbij die
> laatste een TUN/TAP interface is. Een virtueel netwerk wordt dan door
> libvirtd gemaakt en aan de VMs gekoppeld.
> 
> Je kan dan "ssh 192.168.122.XXX" doen, waarbij "XXX" het hostadres van
> de VM is (192.168.122/24 is in de standaardconfiguratie het netwerkadres
> van het "default" netwerk).
> 
> Bij het opstarten zal libvirtd dan ook een NAT-configuratie opzetten
> waarbij alles wat via "virbr0" binnenkomt met het Internet kan
> communiceren. Dit werkt onafhankelijk van hoe of waar dat Internet zit
> (weze het via wireless, wired, bluetooth-naar-de-GSM, of zelfs
> ouderwetse modems met PPP).
> 
> Dat werkt gewoon, IME.
> 

Het is (ongeveer) 
https://jamielinux.com/docs/libvirt-networking-handbook/custom-nat-based-network.html
wat ik nu heb.  Libvirt netwerk met maatwerk dat begint met ontmantelen
van het default Libvirt netwerk.

De URL vond ik via https://wiki.debian.org/libvirt

Dank voor (het advies|de tip) om nogeens naar libvirt ( https://libvirt.org/ )
te kijken.


Groeten
Geert Stappers
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Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread Pascal Hambourg

Le 07/12/2019 à 12:11, Étienne Mollier a écrit :

On 07/12/2019 10.56, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

$ whois --host whois.ripe.net 212.37.27.58
[...tout plein de choses...]

auquel cas, effacer ou remplacer la ligne incriminée par :

.* whois.ripe.net


Le RIPE n'a autorité que pour les adresses IP allouées à l'Europe et au 
Moyen-Orient.




Re: Format numeric local

2019-12-07 Thread Narcis Garcia
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El 7/12/19 a les 12:13, Ernest Adrogué ha escrit:
> 2019-12- 7, 11:23 (+0100); Narcis Garcia escriu:
>> Algú sap com és que, amb Debian 10, no em funcionen els exemples
>> documentats al final d'aquesta pàgina?
>> https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/numfmt-invocation.html
>>
>> També provo altres exemples trobats arreu del web sobre printf, però la
>> separació de milers no em fa ni cas.
> 
> Hi ha un error en el fitxer ca_ES.  Aplicant el següent canvi ja
> funciona
> 
> --- /usr/share/i18n/locales/ca_ES.orig2019-12-07 12:05:29.988128644 
> +0100
> +++ /usr/share/i18n/locales/ca_ES 2019-12-07 12:05:48.056228594 +0100
> @@ -88,7 +88,7 @@
>  LC_NUMERIC
>  decimal_point","
>  thousands_sep"."
> -grouping 0;0
> +grouping 3;3
>  END LC_NUMERIC
>  
>  LC_TIME
> 
> 
> $ LC_ALL=ca_ES.utf8 numfmt --grouping 1,01
> 1.000.000.000.000,01
> 

Gràcies per l'arranjament.
Mentrestant jo ja m'estava fent una funció en ShellScript, donat que el
problema també l'he trobat a Ubuntu LTS (18.04).



Re: ¿Instalar gnome ofline?

2019-12-07 Thread Galvatorix Torixgalva
Hola,

a ver... no tengo muy claro como enfocar esta respuesta, vaya por delante
que no tengo intencion de ofender, ni de molestar ni nada.

Voy a asumir que de alguna manera puedes usar el ordenador por ti mismo.

Dado que eres nuevo (dices) posiblemente lo mas comodo seria usar aptitude.
Indica a aptitude que software quieres instalar y el propio aptitude
gestionara el tema de las dependencias y descargara e instalara todo
"automaticamente".

No conozco ese programa y no se si sera necesaria alguna intervencion
manual (configuracion, etc).

Las instrucciones "basicas y genericas" serian estas: bajate el archivo ISO
que necesitas para instalar debian, grabalo en un CD (o en un DVD), arranca
con el, instala el sistema basico cuando te lo indique, pon un escritorio
basico (LXDE,. por ejemplo), y cuando ya tengas todo instalado vete a la
consola, instala aptitude y luego ya gestionas todo el sistema desde ahi.

Un saludo


Re: sed question

2019-12-07 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-12-07 at 04:43, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Vi, 06 dec 19, 16:15:51, songbird wrote:
> 
>> The Wanderer wrote:
>>> 
>>> For example, 's/hello/newstring/' would be a valid sed
>>> 's'-expression, but 's/a/b/newstring/' would not; the former
>>> contains three instances of the delimiting token, which is valid,
>>> but the former contains four, which is not.
>>> 
>>> If you have the sed expression 's/${oldstring}/newstring/', and
>>> you define oldstring as having the value 'hello' then sed sees
>>> the first expression, and you get the good result.
>>> 
>>> But if you instead define oldstring as having the value 'a/b',
>>> then sed sees the second expression, and you get a syntax error.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Assuming I'm not mixing things up right now, anyway.)
>> 
>> :)  thank you for your reply.  now i see it.
> 
> One trick to avoid this problems is to use a different delimiter,
> e.g. '|'.

That doesn't actually avoid the problem; it just moves it. If the user
input includes the new delimiter, you have the same problem again.

This may still be useful in practice, since some delimiters are more
likely to be common in non-malicious input than others, but it just
reduces the likelihood of triggering the problem - it doesn't eliminate
it entirely.

> According to the manual[1][2] any other character is accepted.

Yep - using '/' is only a standard convention, it's not required. When
writing an s-expression which I know will be passed a path, I generally
use '@' myself; that A: is conveniently typable on the keyboard, B: is a
comparatively rare character to find in either path or filename, C:
doesn't have special meaning as part of a regular expression, and D:
unlike most of the other characters that fit the other criteria, isn't
treated specially by most shells that I know of.


`~!#$&*()={}|\;"'<> are all treated specially by bash, in at least some
circumstances. (Assuming I haven't mixed anything up.)

$^*()+[]|\.? are treated specially as part of a regular expression.

!%&()_+=-:;'",./? are comparatively common in paths and/or filenames.

As far as I can see, at least on my keyboard, that pretty much just
leaves @. It does still sometimes occur in paths and filenames, so it's
not really ideal, but it's probably less common there than any of the
non-special-meaning others.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread l0f4r0
Re,

7 déc. 2019 à 12:11 de etienne.moll...@mailoo.org:

> Effectivement, dans ce cas, j'imagine que ce pourrait être
> l'entrée suivante qui coincerait :
>
>  .* whois.com
>
Ah oui bien vu ! C'est vachement dangereux de mettre un tel wildcard/regex dans 
le fichier /etc/whois.conf.
On se bloque toute autre alternative et le fait qu'il soit prévu de suivre le 
process habituel d'interrogation sur internet si aucune entrée n'a été trouvée. 
D'ailleurs, je ne vois pas ce genre d'expression super large sur GitHub (ex : 
https://gist.github.com/thde/3890aa48e03a2b551374).

NB : ceci dit, je ne suis pas sûr que ce soit le problème ici car pour moi y a 
déjà un souci avec le serveur WHOIS du .SE qui n'est pas approprié (cf. mon 
précédent email). Le switch --verbose devrait nous le confirmer rapidement...
Bien cordialement,
l0f4r0



Re: Format numeric local

2019-12-07 Thread Ernest Adrogué
2019-12- 7, 11:23 (+0100); Narcis Garcia escriu:
> Algú sap com és que, amb Debian 10, no em funcionen els exemples
> documentats al final d'aquesta pàgina?
> https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/numfmt-invocation.html
> 
> També provo altres exemples trobats arreu del web sobre printf, però la
> separació de milers no em fa ni cas.

Hi ha un error en el fitxer ca_ES.  Aplicant el següent canvi ja
funciona

--- /usr/share/i18n/locales/ca_ES.orig  2019-12-07 12:05:29.988128644 +0100
+++ /usr/share/i18n/locales/ca_ES   2019-12-07 12:05:48.056228594 +0100
@@ -88,7 +88,7 @@
 LC_NUMERIC
 decimal_point","
 thousands_sep"."
-grouping 0;0
+grouping 3;3
 END LC_NUMERIC
 
 LC_TIME


$ LC_ALL=ca_ES.utf8 numfmt --grouping 1,01
1.000.000.000.000,01







Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread Étienne Mollier
On 07/12/2019 10.56, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 07/12/2019 à 10:11, Étienne Mollier a écrit :
>> On 07/12/2019 09.29, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:
>>> Actuellement whois 212.37.27.58 reste sans réponse. Mais 
>>> https://dnschecker.org/ip-whois-lookup.php m'indique que ça vient de Suède.
> (...)
>> D'après votre whois.conf, la machine en charge de la Suède est
>> whois.nic-se.se
> 
> C'est le serveur whois défini pour le domaine .se, pas pour les adresses IP 
> allouées en Suède (qui doivent être gérées par le RIPE).
> 

Effectivement, dans ce cas, j'imagine que ce pourrait être
l'entrée suivante qui coincerait :

.* whois.com

Ce qui par ailleurs semble se confirmer avec :

$ whois --host whois.com 212.37.27.58
Timeout.

$ whois --host whois.ripe.net 212.37.27.58
[...tout plein de choses...]

auquel cas, effacer ou remplacer la ligne incriminée par :

.* whois.ripe.net

devrait contribuer à régler le problème.  Me concernant, je
serais partisan d'effacer le fichier de configuration pour
laisser whois se débrouiller avec ses valeurs par défaut.

Bonne journée,  :)
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Re: Fwd: Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread l0f4r0
Bonjour,


> Je ne vois pas le rapport avec le FAI. La commande whois interroge divers 
> serveurs Whois à travers le monde qui n'ont rien à voir avec le FAI du client.
>
>
>     En bonne logique, elle devrait d'abord interroger celui de Free (qui a 
> aussi un serveur DNS, et c'est quand même lié).
>
Je ne suis pas sûr qu'il y ait un système de resolver ou cache FAI avec WHOIS, 
on n'est pas sur du DNS...
> Actuellement whois 212.37.27.58 reste sans réponse.
>
>>
>> Depuis Debian Stretch derrière une freebox 5 ADSL, ça marche.
>>
>
> Avec ou sans /etc/whois.conf ? depuis que je l'ai supprimé, ça marche aussi  
> chez moi.
>
Btw, quelle est la plus value au quotidien d'avoir un fichier /etc/whois.conf à 
part de risquer de périmer ? ;p
Le serveur WHOIS en charge du .SE n'est pas/plus whois.nic-se.se mais 
whois.iis.se (cf. https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/se.html).

Quoi qu'il en soit en effet, le WHOIS d'une IP ne doit en effet pas passer par 
les registries ou même registrars mais par RIPE.
Que donne un : whois --verbose 212.37.27.58 ?
Bien cordialement,
l0f4r0



¿Instalar gnome ofline?

2019-12-07 Thread mauro
Buenos días compañeros, soy nuevo por aquí, y he venido con mi primera 
consulta.



Soy una persona ciega, y ya he sabido que el instalador de debian en sus 
últimas versiones trae un sintetizador para asistir en el proceso, y lo 
he probado un par de veces y está genial.



Mi consulta, es la siguiente.

como dice en la página de ayuda, el entorno de escritorio gnome es el 
más accesible para el orca, y no sé bien cual versión del instalador lo 
trae, si el CD, o alguno de los DVDS, en la versión para una instalación 
sin internet.



¿Qué debo descargar para poder instalar el sistema base y el escritorio 
gnome ofline?



Desde ya muchas gracias,

un saludo.



Format numeric local

2019-12-07 Thread Narcis Garcia
Algú sap com és que, amb Debian 10, no em funcionen els exemples
documentats al final d'aquesta pàgina?
https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/numfmt-invocation.html

També provo altres exemples trobats arreu del web sobre printf, però la
separació de milers no em fa ni cas.

$ locale
LANG=ca_ES.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=ca_ES.UTF-8:es_ES.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="ca_ES.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=
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Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread Pascal Hambourg

Le 07/12/2019 à 10:11, Étienne Mollier a écrit :

On 07/12/2019 09.29, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:

Actuellement whois 212.37.27.58 reste sans réponse. Mais 
https://dnschecker.org/ip-whois-lookup.php m'indique que ça vient de Suède.

(...)

D'après votre whois.conf, la machine en charge de la Suède est
whois.nic-se.se


C'est le serveur whois défini pour le domaine .se, pas pour les adresses 
IP allouées en Suède (qui doivent être gérées par le RIPE).




Re: sed question

2019-12-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 06 dec 19, 16:15:51, songbird wrote:
> The Wanderer wrote:
> >
> > For example, 's/hello/newstring/' would be a valid sed 's'-expression,
> > but 's/a/b/newstring/' would not; the former contains three instances of
> > the delimiting token, which is valid, but the former contains four,
> > which is not.
> >
> > If you have the sed expression 's/${oldstring}/newstring/', and you
> > define oldstring as having the value 'hello' then sed sees the first
> > expression, and you get the good result.
> >
> > But if you instead define oldstring as having the value 'a/b', then sed
> > sees the second expression, and you get a syntax error.
> >
> >
> > (Assuming I'm not mixing things up right now, anyway.)
> 
>   :)  thank you for your reply.  now i see it.

One trick to avoid this problems is to use a different delimiter, e.g. '|'.

According to the manual[1][2] any other character is accepted.

[1] https://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html#The-_0022s_0022-Command
[2] as with many (most? all?) GNU programs the full documentation is 
available only as a Texinfo manual, not a man page.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Fwd: Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread Pascal Hambourg

Le 07/12/2019 à 09:55, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit :

On 12/7/19 9:48 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:


Je ne vois pas le rapport avec le FAI. La commande whois interroge 
divers serveurs Whois à travers le monde qui n'ont rien à voir avec le 
FAI du client.


     En bonne logique, elle devrait d'abord interroger celui de Free 
(qui a aussi un serveur DNS, et c'est quand même lié).


Non, pas du tout.


Actuellement whois 212.37.27.58 reste sans réponse.


Depuis Debian Stretch derrière une freebox 5 ADSL, ça marche.


Avec ou sans /etc/whois.conf ? depuis que je l'ai supprimé, ça marche 
aussi  chez moi.


Sans.



Re: Double carte graphique sur Debian

2019-12-07 Thread Jean Bernon
Non ça ne semble pas très compliqué. Si tu veux utiliser une application avec 
la double carte, il faut simplement la lancer en ligne de commande avec le 
préfixe optirun. Mais concrètement c'est surtout utile pour certaines 
applications qui utilisent des images sophistiquées, 3D par exemple, 
typiquement des jeux vidéo. Or je n'utilise jamais d'applications de ce type. 
J'utilise des applis classiques et côté image au mieux je retouche des images 
avec Gimp, ce qui ne nécessite pas d'utiliser la double carte. 

- Mail original - 

> De: "G2PC" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Vendredi 6 Décembre 2019 14:12:13
> Objet: Re: Double carte graphique sur Debian

> Le 06/12/2019 à 10:44, Jean Bernon a écrit :
> > As-tu regardé https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee ?
> > Apparemment ça sert à utiliser la carte complémentaire pour
> > certaines applications comme les jeux. J'ai installé parce que
> > j'ai une double carte graphique, mais en fait après avoir testé
> > (commande "optirun glxgears") je ne m'en sers jamais et ne peux
> > guère t'en dire plus.

> Quand tu dis que tu ne t'en sert jamais, pourquoi ? Trop compliqué ?



Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread Étienne Mollier
On 07/12/2019 09.29, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:
> Actuellement whois 212.37.27.58 reste sans réponse. Mais 
> https://dnschecker.org/ip-whois-lookup.php m'indique que ça vient de Suède.
> 
> 
> Il y a deux ans, une commande similaire fonctionnait (à l'époque j'étais chez 
> Orange, et depuis j'ai réinstallé Debian car changé d'ordinateur)
> 
> 
> Merci de vos conseils éclairés, je joins mon /etc/whois.conf actuel.



Bonjour,

D'après votre whois.conf, la machine en charge de la Suède est
whois.nic-se.se, mais cette addresse ne résoud pas après des
tentatives diverses sur des serveurs DNS connus :

$ host whois.nic-se.se
Host whois.nic-se.se not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

$ host whois.nic-se.se 9.9.9.9
Using domain server:
Name: 9.9.9.9
Address: 9.9.9.9#53
Aliases:

Host whois.nic-se.se not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

$ host whois.nic-se.se 8.8.8.8
Using domain server:
Name: 8.8.8.8
Address: 8.8.8.8#53
Aliases:

Host whois.nic-se.se not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

Ceci pourrait il expliquer celà ?

Librement,
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Fwd: Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread Basile Starynkevitch




On 12/7/19 9:48 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 07/12/2019 à 09:29, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit :


Abonné chez Free (à Bourg La Reine, près de Paris, France) depuis 
quelques mois (et content de leur service) avec une Freebox 
revolution à fibre optique (mon desktop linux/Debian/Sid est visible 
de l'internet comme ours.starynkevitch.net en ssh pour /certains/ 
amis) je cherche à configurer /etc/whois.conf pour que la commande 
whois marche bien.


Je ne vois pas le rapport avec le FAI. La commande whois interroge 
divers serveurs Whois à travers le monde qui n'ont rien à voir avec le 
FAI du client.



    En bonne logique, elle devrait d'abord interroger celui de Free 
(qui a aussi un serveur DNS, et c'est quand même lié).


A l'époque où j'étais chez Nerim comme FAI (au siècle dernier), ils 
proposaient un serveur Whois.



Actuellement whois 212.37.27.58 reste sans réponse.


Depuis Debian Stretch derrière une freebox 5 ADSL, ça marche.


Avec ou sans /etc/whois.conf ? depuis que je l'ai supprimé, ça marche 
aussi  chez moi.


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Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread Pascal Hambourg

Le 07/12/2019 à 09:29, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit :


Abonné chez Free (à Bourg La Reine, près de Paris, France) depuis 
quelques mois (et content de leur service) avec une Freebox revolution à 
fibre optique (mon desktop linux/Debian/Sid est visible de l'internet 
comme ours.starynkevitch.net en ssh pour /certains/ amis) je cherche à 
configurer /etc/whois.conf pour que la commande whois marche bien.


Je ne vois pas le rapport avec le FAI. La commande whois interroge 
divers serveurs Whois à travers le monde qui n'ont rien à voir avec le 
FAI du client.



Actuellement whois 212.37.27.58 reste sans réponse.


Depuis Debian Stretch derrière une freebox 5 ADSL, ça marche.



Re: comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread Basile Starynkevitch


On 12/7/19 9:29 AM, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:


Bonjour,


Abonné chez Free (à Bourg La Reine, près de Paris, France) depuis 
quelques mois (et content de leur service) avec une Freebox revolution 
à fibre optique (mon desktop linux/Debian/Sid est visible de 
l'internet comme ours.starynkevitch.net en ssh pour /certains/ amis) 
je cherche à configurer /etc/whois.conf pour que la commande whois 
marche bien.


Actuellement whois 212.37.27.58 reste sans réponse. Mais 
https://dnschecker.org/ip-whois-lookup.php m'indique que ça vient de 
Suède.



Il y a deux ans, une commande similaire fonctionnait (à l'époque 
j'étais chez Orange, et depuis j'ai réinstallé Debian car changé 
d'ordinateur)



Merci de vos conseils éclairés, je joins mon /etc/whois.conf actuel.



En fait, en supprimant ce fichier /etc/whois.conf la commande marche.


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(mobile phone: cf my web page / voir ma page web...)



comment configurer /etc/whois.conf avec Free comme FAI

2019-12-07 Thread Basile Starynkevitch

Bonjour,


Abonné chez Free (à Bourg La Reine, près de Paris, France) depuis 
quelques mois (et content de leur service) avec une Freebox revolution à 
fibre optique (mon desktop linux/Debian/Sid est visible de l'internet 
comme ours.starynkevitch.net en ssh pour /certains/ amis) je cherche à 
configurer /etc/whois.conf pour que la commande whois marche bien.


Actuellement whois 212.37.27.58 reste sans réponse. Mais 
https://dnschecker.org/ip-whois-lookup.php m'indique que ça vient de Suède.



Il y a deux ans, une commande similaire fonctionnait (à l'époque j'étais 
chez Orange, et depuis j'ai réinstallé Debian car changé d'ordinateur)



Merci de vos conseils éclairés, je joins mon /etc/whois.conf actuel.

Librement


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opinions are mine only - les opinions sont seulement miennes
Bourg La Reine, France; 
(mobile phone: cf my web page / voir ma page web...)

# fichier /etc/whois.conf par Basile
# cf https://www.nirsoft.net/whois_servers_list.html

.* whois.com
ac whois.nic.ac
ad whois.ripe.net
ae whois.aeda.net.ae
aero whois.aero
af whois.nic.af
ag whois.nic.ag
ai whois.ai
al whois.ripe.net
am whois.amnic.net
as whois.nic.as
asia whois.nic.asia
at whois.nic.at
au whois.aunic.net
aw whois.nic.aw
ax whois.ax 
az whois.ripe.net
ba whois.ripe.net
bar whois.nic.bar
be whois.dns.be
berlin whois.nic.berlin
best whois.nic.best
bg whois.register.bg
bi whois.nic.bi
biz whois.neulevel.biz
bj www.nic.bj
bo whois.nic.bo
br whois.nic.br
br.com whois.centralnic.com
bt whois.netnames.net
bw whois.nic.net.bw
by whois.cctld.by
bz whois.belizenic.bz
bzh whois-bzh.nic.fr
ca whois.cira.ca
cat whois.cat
cc whois.nic.cc
cd whois.nic.cd
ceo whois.nic.ceo
cf whois.dot.cf
ch whois.nic.ch 
ci whois.nic.ci
ck whois.nic.ck
cl whois.nic.cl
cloud whois.nic.cloud
club whois.nic.club
cn whois.cnnic.net.cn
cn.com whois.centralnic.com
co whois.nic.co
co.nl whois.co.nl
com whois.verisign-grs.com
coop whois.nic.coop
cx whois.nic.cx
cy whois.ripe.net
cz whois.nic.cz
de whois.denic.de
dk whois.dk-hostmaster.dk
dm whois.nic.cx
dz whois.nic.dz
ec whois.nic.ec
edu whois.educause.net
ee whois.tld.ee
eg whois.ripe.net
es whois.nic.es
eu whois.eu
eu.com whois.centralnic.com
eus whois.nic.eus
fi whois.fi
fo whois.nic.fo
fr whois.nic.fr
gb whois.ripe.net
gb.com whois.centralnic.com
gb.net whois.centralnic.com
qc.com whois.centralnic.com
ge whois.ripe.net
gg whois.gg
gi whois2.afilias-grs.net
gl whois.nic.gl
gm whois.ripe.net
gov whois.nic.gov
gr whois.ripe.net
gs whois.nic.gs
gy whois.registry.gy
hamburg whois.nic.hamburg
hiphop whois.uniregistry.net
hk whois.hknic.net.hk
hm whois.registry.hm
hn whois2.afilias-grs.net
host whois.nic.host
hr whois.dns.hr
ht whois.nic.ht
hu whois.nic.hu
hu.com whois.centralnic.com
id whois.pandi.or.id
ie whois.domainregistry.ie
il whois.isoc.org.il
im whois.nic.im
in whois.inregistry.net
info whois.afilias.info
ing domain-registry-whois.l.google.com
ink whois.centralnic.com
int whois.isi.edu
io whois.nic.io
iq whois.cmc.iq
ir whois.nic.ir
is whois.isnic.is
it whois.nic.it
je whois.je
jobs jobswhois.verisign-grs.com
jp whois.jprs.jp
ke whois.kenic.or.ke
kg whois.domain.kg
ki whois.nic.ki
kr whois.kr
kz whois.nic.kz
la whois2.afilias-grs.net
li whois.nic.li
london whois.nic.london
lt whois.domreg.lt
lu whois.restena.lu
lv whois.nic.lv
ly whois.lydomains.com
ma whois.iam.net.ma
mc whois.ripe.net
md whois.nic.md
me whois.nic.me
mg whois.nic.mg
mil whois.nic.mil
mk whois.ripe.net
ml whois.dot.ml
mo whois.monic.mo
mobi whois.dotmobiregistry.net
ms whois.nic.ms
mt whois.ripe.net
mu whois.nic.mu
museum whois.museum
mx whois.nic.mx
my whois.mynic.net.my
mz whois.nic.mz
na whois.na-nic.com.na
name whois.nic.name
nc whois.nc
net whois.verisign-grs.com
nf whois.nic.cx
ng whois.nic.net.ng
nl whois.domain-registry.nl
no whois.norid.no
no.com whois.centralnic.com
nu whois.nic.nu
nz whois.srs.net.nz
om whois.registry.om
ong whois.publicinterestregistry.net
ooo whois.nic.ooo
org whois.pir.org
paris whois-paris.nic.fr
pe kero.yachay.pe
pf whois.registry.pf
pics whois.uniregistry.net
pl whois.dns.pl
pm whois.nic.pm
pr whois.nic.pr
press whois.nic.press
pro whois.registrypro.pro
pt whois.dns.pt
pub whois.unitedtld.com
pw whois.nic.pw
qa whois.registry.qa
re whois.nic.re
ro whois.rotld.ro
rs whois.rnids.rs
ru whois.tcinet.ru
sa saudinic.net.sa
sa.com whois.centralnic.com
sb whois.nic.net.sb
sc whois2.afilias-grs.net
se whois.nic-se.se
se.com whois.centralnic.com
se.net whois.centralnic.com
sg whois.nic.net.sg
sh whois.nic.sh
si whois.arnes.si
sk whois.sk-nic.sk
sm whois.nic.sm
st whois.nic.st
so whois.nic.so
su whois.tcinet.ru
sx whois.sx
sy whois.tld.sy
tc whois.adamsnames.tc
tel whois.nic.tel
tf whois.nic.tf
th whois.thnic.net
tj whois.nic.tj
tk whois.nic.tk
tl whois.domains.tl
tm whois.nic.tm
tn whois.ati.tn
to whois.tonic.to
top whois.nic.top
tp whois.domains.tl
tr whois.nic.tr
travel whois.nic.travel
tw whois.twnic.net.tw
tv whois.nic.tv
tz whois.tznic.or.tz
ua whois.ua
ug 

Re: buster: not reaching login screen on console

2019-12-07 Thread deloptes
D. R. Evans wrote:

> Nope, all just black.
> 
> But I could log in via ssh, and started backing out recent changes (I'm
> not sure how long the problem had existed, as I don't normally look at the
> console screen once X has started).
> 
> One of the changes was to switch to the Trinity desktop manager, and when
> I reverted to using sddm, the problem went away.
> 
> I don't like sddm, but at least it allows the machine to reach a login
> screen, so I'll forget about trying to use tdm on that machine, and assume
> that the problem won't recur.
> 

I wonder why no one suggested to remove "quite" on the boot command line and
see where it hangs. Then boot in single user (rescue) mode and fix this. 

I personally find this behavior of systemd annoying.