Re: how to remove GUI
On Vi, 11 sep 20, 09:32:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > When removing them you might need to add > > -o APT::Autoremove::SuggestsImportant=no > > and even > > -o APT::Autoremove::RecommendsImportant=no Err, these won't do much on removing the package, they work only in combination with 'autoremove'. > Note: the second one in combination with 'autoremove' may remove much > more than actually intended. This is still very much valid. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: how to remove GUI
On Jo, 10 sep 20, 23:33:21, Michael Morgan wrote: > > So it seems the desktop package was removed. But why it still has GUI? As you found out, removing collections of packages is more difficult than installing them. Try running this: apt -o APT::Autoremove::SuggestsImportant=no autoremove --purge Do check carefully the list of packages to be removed, in case it removes packages that are still needed. If this doesn't work you might still have some LXDE related package installed. You can find them with apt list --installed '*lxde*' When removing them you might need to add -o APT::Autoremove::SuggestsImportant=no and even -o APT::Autoremove::RecommendsImportant=no Note: the second one in combination with 'autoremove' may remove much more than actually intended. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Can one install packages from Parrot or Kali on Debian testing? (Was: Re: Hi :))
Hi Richard, Your question is one of user support but you've sent it to the debian-project list, which is about the Debian project itself and not for asking user questions. So, I have directed replies to the correct place which is debian-user. On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:14:35PM -0400, richard loomis wrote: > I have a question using debian 10 i noticed ive upgraded till theres no > more using testing, Use "testing" is probably for advanced users, but the question you ask below about mixing in things that aren't Debian suggests you are maybe not that familiar with Debian. Be careful! > when i add parrot os repos and kali linux repos theres tons of > upgrades knowing there using testing also, Is it safe to upgrade > debian 10 with there repos? No. You should not mix in things that aren't Debian into Debian without knowing exactly what you are doing. None of those things (Parrot, Kali) are designed to be installed on a Debian system. You will very likely break your entire system doing this. It may even appear to work for a while, but will break later in mysterious ways. See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian for more details. In general, upgrading to newer versions of packages for no reason other than that they exist is not a good practice. You should have a reason for wanting a newer package than what exists in Debian testing. I recommend that if you do have such a need for specific newer packages, you install them individually from upstream following upstream's instructions. Cheers, Andy
how to remove GUI
Dear friend, I recently installed Debian 9.13 on my machine. I was planning to use it for scientific computation so GUI is not necessary. For some reason, I installed the desktop environment with LXDE desktop during installation. Later I decided to remove them. These two commands were executed: tasksel remove desktop apt purge $(tasksel --task-packages desktop) However, after rebooting the system still has GUI. Here is the result of "tasksel --list-tasks": u desktop Debian desktop environment u gnome-desktop GNOME u xfce-desktop Xfce u kde-desktop KDE u cinnamon-desktop Cinnamon u mate-desktop MATE u lxde-desktop LXDE u web-serverweb server i print-server print server i ssh-serverSSH server u laptoplaptop So it seems the desktop package was removed. But why it still has GUI? It is pretty much an absolute clean installation. The only thing I did between OS installation and removing GUI is the installation of cuda package (for GPU driver). "nvidia-smi" gives: |0 1730 G /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg 132MiB | |0 2285 G kwin_x11 17MiB | |0 2292 G /usr/bin/krunner 2MiB | |0 2295 G /usr/bin/plasmashell 45MiB | |0 3091 G ...4-linux-gnu/libexec/kscreenlocker_greet 28MiB So plasmashell and x11 are not part of desktop? What is the correct way to completely remove GUI? Thank you. Michael
Re: Why start the first partition at 2 MIB, why not at any multiple of 4096 bytes ...
On 2020-09-10 20:03, David wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 08:30, David Christensen... wrote: On 2020-09-10 09:44, David Wright wrote: I don't like parted particularly, and don't know what "free" does. Can you elucidate? $ man parted | grep -i free $ info --output=/dev/stdout --subnodes parted | grep -i free I also am unable to find canonical documentation via RTFM, info, and STFW. GNU must have missed documenting it (?). # parted --help | grep -A 1 free print [devices|free|list,all|NUMBER] display the partition table, available devices, free space, all found partitions, or a particular partition Thank you for finding that. :-) David
Re: Why start the first partition at 2 MIB, why not at any multiple of 4096 bytes ...
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 09:15, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-09-09 23:02, David wrote: > > parted /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_ 'unit compact print > > free unit s print free unit b print free' > That parted(8) incantation has issues It works for me, but then again my disks are neither broken nor GPT.
Re: Why start the first partition at 2 MIB, why not at any multiple of 4096 bytes ...
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 08:30, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-09-10 09:44, David Wright wrote: > > I don't like parted particularly, and don't know what "free" does. > > Can you elucidate? > > $ man parted | grep -i free > > $ info --output=/dev/stdout --subnodes parted | grep -i free > I also am unable to find canonical documentation via RTFM, info, and > STFW. GNU must have missed documenting it (?). # parted --help | grep -A 1 free print [devices|free|list,all|NUMBER] display the partition table, available devices, free space, all found partitions, or a particular partition
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 22:40, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 09/10/2020 01:11 AM, David wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 15:50, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> The manpage > >> [https://manpages.debian.org/buster/aptitude/aptitude.8.en.html] makes > >> multiple references to "the aptitude reference manual" but gives no link. > >> Where do I find it? > > Under the Help menu when running aptitude interactively, or you can read > > it directly from the text file > >/usr/share/aptitude/README > I had searched for something titled "aptitude reference manual" ;/ > I found [https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/index.en.html] > which appears to be an HTML version of the "readme". > I find HTML easier to navigate than text files and I can reformat the > display to accommodate some vision problems. On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 00:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > apt show aptitude-doc-en As Andrei hints, the HTML version that you prefer is also packaged for Debian so you can install it locally by installing the package aptitude-doc-en. The plain text version displayed by the Help menu of the curses version of aptitude is installed by the aptitude-common package.
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parted(8) Error: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used.
debian-users: My daily driver: 2020-09-10 16:17:14 root@tinkywinky ~ # cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a 9.13 Linux tinkywinky 4.9.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.228-1 (2020-07-05) x86_64 GNU/Linux parted(8) was complaining about the backup GPT table on a 300 GB external disk used to store images of system drives: 2020-09-10 14:01:58 root@tinkywinky ~ # parted /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_ unit s print free Error: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used. OK/Cancel? ok Model: ATA ST3300622AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 586072368s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: gpt Disk Flags: Number Start End SizeFile system Name Flags 34s 2047s 2014s Free Space 1 2048s 586072063s 586070016s ext2 586072064s 586072334s 271sFree Space Use sfdisk(8) to dump the disk layout: 2020-09-10 14:16:31 root@tinkywinky ~/hardware/seagate/ST3300622AS/ # sfdisk --dump /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_ > sfdisk-20200910-1417.dump The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used. 2020-09-10 14:18:48 root@tinkywinky ~/hardware/seagate/ST3300622AS/ # cat sfdisk-20200910-1417.dump label: gpt label-id: 65C1B6E8-DDF7-40E0-9734-63AC97E5DBC8 device: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_ nit: sectors first-lba: 34 last-lba: 586072334 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_-part1 : start=2048, size= 586070016, type=0FC63DAF-8483-4772-8E79-3D69D8477DE4, uuid=D96D1D49-5514-4B24-ACCD-008CC9D3B15F, name="" Verify filesystem contents are already on server: 2020-09-10 14:22:02 root@tinkywinky ~ # mount /mnt/image 2020-09-10 14:32:01 root@tinkywinky ~ # rsync -n -rac --stats --progress /mnt/image/ f3:/var/local/image/ sending incremental file list Number of files: 99 (reg: 90, dir: 9) Number of created files: 0 Number of deleted files: 0 Number of regular files transferred: 0 Total file size: 218,382,930,266 bytes Total transferred file size: 0 bytes Literal data: 0 bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list size: 0 File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 6,599 Total bytes received: 20 sent 6,599 bytes received 20 bytes 1.27 bytes/sec total size is 218,382,930,266 speedup is 32,993,341.93 (DRY RUN) 2020-09-10 16:08:21 root@tinkywinky ~ # umount /mnt/image Restore the disk layout: 2020-09-10 16:08:30 root@tinkywinky ~/hardware/seagate/ST3300622AS/ # sfdisk /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_**** < sfdisk-20200910-1417.dump The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used. Checking that no-one is using this disk right now ... OK Disk /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_: 279.5 GiB, 300069052416 bytes, 586072368 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: gpt Disk identifier: 65C1B6E8-DDF7-40E0-9734-63AC97E5DBC8 Old situation: Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_-part1 2048 586072063 586070016 279.5G Linux filesystem >>> Script header accepted. >>> Script header accepted. >>> Script header accepted. >>> Script header accepted. >>> Script header accepted. >>> Script header accepted. >>> Created a new GPT disklabel (GUID: 65C1B6E8-DDF7-40E0-9734-63AC97E5DBC8). /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_-part1: Created a new partition 1 of type 'Linux filesystem' and of size 279.5 GiB. Partition #1 contains a ext2 signature. /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_-part2: Done. New situation: Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_-part1 2048 586072063 586070016 279.5G Linux filesystem The partition table has been altered. Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. Syncing disks. Verify backup GPT table is fixed: 2020-09-10 16:10:02 root@tinkywinky ~/hardware/seagate/ST3300622AS/ # parted /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_ u s p free Model: ATA ST3300622AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 586072368s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: gpt Disk Flags: Number Start End SizeFile system Name Flags 34s 2047s 2014s Free Space 1 2048s 586072063s 586070016s ext2 586072064s 586072334s 271sFree Space Verify filesystem contents: 2020-09-10 16:17:22 root@tinkywinky ~ # mount /mnt/image 2020-09-10 16:30:14 root@tinkywinky ~ # rsync -n -ra --stats /mnt/image/ f3:/var/local/image/ Number of files: 99 (reg: 90, dir: 9) Number of created f
Re: Why start the first partition at 2 MIB, why not at any multiple of 4096 bytes ...
On 2020-09-09 23:02, David wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 11:26, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-09-09 08:03, David Wright wrote: ... having been bitten by https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=923561 I have a 300 GB drive that has been causing me some confusion. Did I elicity the bug when I partitioned the disk as follows? I have not read all relevant messages, but in case it helps you can check your exact device partition boundaries by running: parted /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_ 'unit compact print free unit s print free unit b print free' That parted(8) incantation has issues, as does the disk: 2020-09-10 14:00:52 root@tinkywinky ~ # parted /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_ 'unit compact print free unit s print free unit b print free' Error: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used. parted: invalid token: unit OK/Cancel? ok Model: ATA ST3300622AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 300GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: gpt Disk Flags: Number Start End SizeFile system Name Flags 17.4kB 1049kB 1031kB Free Space 1 1049kB 300GB 300GB ext2 300GB 300GB 139kB Free Space This is how I invoke parted(8): 2020-09-10 14:01:58 root@tinkywinky ~ # parted /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_ unit s print free Error: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used. OK/Cancel? ok Model: ATA ST3300622AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 586072368s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: gpt Disk Flags: Number Start End SizeFile system Name Flags 34s 2047s 2014s Free Space 1 2048s 586072063s 586070016s ext2 586072064s 586072334s 271sFree Space Looking at the above information, my first partition starts at sector 2048 and ends at sector 586072063 (inclusive). Both of these values represent 1 MiB alignment, so it appears that the partition has not been affected by bug 923561. David
Re: Why start the first partition at 2 MIB, why not at any multiple of 4096 bytes ...
On 2020-09-10 09:44, David Wright wrote: On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 16:02:59 (+1000), David wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 11:26, David Christensen wrote: ,,, I'm not sure what to ask for in terms of the encryption: See cryptsetup(8) with the 'isLuks' action and/or the '-v' option. For example, my daily driver: 2020-09-10 14:59:09 root@tinkywinky ~ # cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a 9.13 Linux tinkywinky 4.9.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.228-1 (2020-07-05) x86_64 GNU/Linux The boot partition (sda1) does not contain a LUKS volume. The root partition (sda3) does: 2020-09-10 15:25:51 root@tinkywinky ~ # cryptsetup isLuks -v /dev/sda1 Device /dev/sda1 is not a valid LUKS device. Command failed with code 22: Invalid argument 2020-09-10 15:25:55 root@tinkywinky ~ # echo $? 1 2020-09-10 15:25:56 root@tinkywinky ~ # cryptsetup isLuks -v /dev/sda3 Command successful. 2020-09-10 15:25:58 root@tinkywinky ~ # echo $? 0 I don't like parted particularly, and don't know what "free" does. Can you elucidate? $ man parted | grep -i free $ info --output=/dev/stdout --subnodes parted | grep -i free I also am unable to find canonical documentation via RTFM, info, and STFW. GNU must have missed documenting it (?). Briefly, if 'free' is provided after the 'print' option to parted(8), the displayed partition table shows unpartitioned free space. It is aware of sectors consumed by the partition scheme. For example, the system disk on my daily driver uses MBR: 2020-09-10 15:09:43 root@tinkywinky ~ # parted /dev/sda u s p Model: ATA INTEL SSDSC2CW06 (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 117231408s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Disk Flags: Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 2048s 1953791s1951744s primary ext4 boot 2 1953792s 3907583s1953792s primary 3 3907584s 27344895s 23437312s primary 4 27344896s 117229567s 89884672s primary 2020-09-10 15:09:46 root@tinkywinky ~ # parted /dev/sda u s p free Model: ATA INTEL SSDSC2CW06 (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 117231408s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Disk Flags: Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 63s 2047s 1985s Free Space 1 2048s 1953791s1951744s primary ext4 boot 2 1953792s3907583s1953792s primary 3 3907584s27344895s 23437312s primary 4 27344896s 117229567s 89884672s primary 117229568s 117231407s 1840s Free Space The 300 GB external disk uses GPT: 2020-09-10 15:19:20 root@tinkywinky ~ # parted -s /dev/sdb u s p Error: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used. Model: ATA ST3300622AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 586072368s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: gpt Disk Flags: Number Start End SizeFile system Name Flags 1 2048s 586072063s 586070016s ext2 4NF2P9SV 2020-09-10 15:23:14 root@tinkywinky ~ # parted -s /dev/sdb u s p free Error: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used. Model: ATA ST3300622AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 586072368s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: gpt Disk Flags: Number Start End SizeFile system Name Flags 34s 2047s 2014s Free Space 1 2048s 586072063s 586070016s ext2 4NF2P9SV 586072064s 586072334s 271sFree Space David
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On 2020-09-09 14:27, Richard Owlett wrote: My proposed alternative is to leave unchecked all options on the "Software Selection" menu[1] and create appropriate pseudo-packages to be installed with "apt-get --no-install-recommends" I suppose if you were *that* concerned you could install a basic system and install everything from sources. What that "basic system" would contain I don't really know. But that's what the nice people at Debian do so you don't have to. mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 07:44:26PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 14:15:49 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: People are overthinking this. If you want more control, just skip the software selection screen altogether. If you're going to nit-pick over what gets installed when using it, you aren't the target audience. I am unsure that really addresses Marco Möller's point. What he and other users fail to appreciate is that "Debian desktop environment" means "Debian default desktop environment". The issue is that what the default is is not specified. It could, of course, be anything. Maybe the user does not want this particular distribution's default. I do not think this is nit-picking. Maybe not, but my point is that you use the task selections to get a bunch of software, and it's going to err on the side of giving you too much. If getting stuff you don't want is not acceptable, just don't use the tasks because they're the wrong tool for whatever you're doing. If getting stuff you don't want is acceptable, then it really doesn't matter if you get an extra gnome, right?
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 19:34:24 (+0200), Marco Möller wrote: > On 10.09.20 18:43, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 08:24:41 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 09/10/2020 02:28 AM, Marco Möller wrote: […] > > > > You should remind, that if in the tasksel menu deselecting all > > > > specifically named Desktop Environments (Gnome, Xfce, KDE, ...) > > > > but still selecting the top entry "Debian desktop environment" > > > > then a full blown Gnome environment will be downloaded and > > > > installed. > > > > > > I discovered that long ago. I consider that a bug, but the Debian team > > > likely considers that a feature. > > > > So what would your version of an installer do when presented with: > > > >│ [*] Debian desktop environment │ > >│ [ ] ... GNOME │ > >│ [ ] ... Xfce │ > >│ [ ] ... KDE│ > >│ [ ] ... Cinnamon │ > >│ [ ] ... MATE │ > >│ [ ] ... LXDE │ > > I agree with Richard's criticism and would suggest to not present that > first line "Debian desktop environment" at all, because it is > redundant with the second line "... GNOME". If someone deselects the > second line because no wanting GNOME, but does not imag[in]e what the > first line might contain, then he will be surprised that GNOME became > anyway fully installed after the first line was still selected, a > behaviour which makes no sense after the second line was explicitly > not selected. OTOH it makes a lot of sense to a user, new to linux, who knows they want to try KDE as their desktop, say, because they've read about it somewhere. If they click on KDE, that's what they get. Were the d-i to have already selected GNOME when this person clicked on KDE, they would get both. Or, if you treat the list like a ballot, the d-i keeps the default up its sleeve (for it has to install *some* DE), but it doesn't try to influence the user's choice unfairly. You can argue this any way you like. Hardly a "bug". > It is especially annoying if you did this selection > "mistake" on slow or expensive bandwidth. When I first time did this > mistake, I thought, hey, maybe for a desktop they will install already > something like network manager and other network managing tools or a > tiny collection of enhanced editors like vim instead of vi only, maybe > some other cute utilities. Eh? > But I ended up with looong time downloading > and installing a full blown GNOME which I actually wanted to avoid If you're *that* concerned, try reading the Installation Guide first: NOTE The “Desktop environment” task will install a graphical desktop environment. By default, debian-installer installs the Gnome desktop environment. It is possible to interactively select a different desktop environment during the instal- lation. It is also possible to install multiple desktops, but some combinations of desktop may not be co-installable. > and > therefore did unselect the second line initially. Are you saying that the second line (GNOME) was selected by default? (Note that my two screen shots are taken from different point releases: the (snipped) tasksel output was copied just today, whereas the screen extract quoted above is 10 months old, being from the 10.2 d-i.) Cheers, David.
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Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 14:15:49 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 07:34:24PM +0200, Marco Möller wrote: > > I agree with Richard's criticism and would suggest to not present that > > first line "Debian desktop environment" at all, because it is redundant > > with the second line "... GNOME". If someone deselects the second line > > because no wanting GNOME, but does not image what the first line might > > contain, then he will be surprised that GNOME became anyway fully > > installed after the first line was still selected, a behaviour which > > makes no sense after the second line was explicitly not selected. It is > > especially annoying if you did this selection "mistake" on slow or > > expensive bandwidth. When I first time did this mistake, I thought, hey, > > maybe for a desktop they will install already something like network > > manager and other network managing tools or a tiny collection of > > enhanced editors like vim instead of vi only, maybe some other cute > > utilities. But I ended up with looong time downloading and installing a > > full blown GNOME which I actually wanted to avoid and therefore did > > unselect the second line initially. > > People are overthinking this. If you want more control, just skip the > software selection screen altogether. If you're going to nit-pick over what > gets installed when using it, you aren't the target audience. I am unsure that really addresses Marco Möller's point. What he and other users fail to appreciate is that "Debian desktop environment" means "Debian default desktop environment". The issue is that what the default is is not specified. It could, of course, be anything. Maybe the user does not want this particular distribution's default. I do not think this is nit-picking. I do not agree with Marco Möller that the first line is redundant, but, if it specified that the Debian desktop environment was Xfce, it is possible it would give some clarity. OTOH, if it was decided not to have a default desktop, the first line could go. -- Brian.
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 07:34:24PM +0200, Marco Möller wrote: I agree with Richard's criticism and would suggest to not present that first line "Debian desktop environment" at all, because it is redundant with the second line "... GNOME". If someone deselects the second line because no wanting GNOME, but does not image what the first line might contain, then he will be surprised that GNOME became anyway fully installed after the first line was still selected, a behaviour which makes no sense after the second line was explicitly not selected. It is especially annoying if you did this selection "mistake" on slow or expensive bandwidth. When I first time did this mistake, I thought, hey, maybe for a desktop they will install already something like network manager and other network managing tools or a tiny collection of enhanced editors like vim instead of vi only, maybe some other cute utilities. But I ended up with looong time downloading and installing a full blown GNOME which I actually wanted to avoid and therefore did unselect the second line initially. People are overthinking this. If you want more control, just skip the software selection screen altogether. If you're going to nit-pick over what gets installed when using it, you aren't the target audience.
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On 09/10/2020 12:34 PM, Marco Möller wrote: I agree with Richard's criticism and would suggest to not present that first line "Debian desktop environment" at all, because it is redundant with the second line "... GNOME". If someone deselects the second line because no wanting GNOME, but does not image what the first line might contain, then he will be surprised that GNOME became anyway fully installed after the first line was still selected, a behaviour which makes no sense after the second line was explicitly not selected. It is especially annoying if you did this selection "mistake" on slow or expensive bandwidth. When I first time did this mistake, I thought, hey, maybe for a desktop they will install already something like network manager and other network managing tools or a tiny collection of enhanced editors like vim instead of vi only, maybe some other cute utilities. But I ended up with looong time downloading and installing a full blown GNOME which I actually wanted to avoid and therefore did unselect the second line initially. Yepp ;/
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On 10.09.20 18:43, David Wright wrote:
On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 08:24:41 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
On 09/10/2020 02:28 AM, Marco Möller wrote:
On 10.09.20 08:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 09/09/2020 12:12 PM, Brian wrote:
On Wed 09 Sep 2020 at 19:56:05 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 09 sep 20, 08:27:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
1. Download bandwidth or data cap constraints.
{aggravated by treating "recommends" as "depends"}
If you are referring to package maintainers declaring Depends on other
packages where it should be just a Recommends, do note it is often a
side effect of users disabling automatic installation of Recommends and
then complaining about missing functionality.
I believe the OP is referring to debootstrap's inability to install only
Depends:.
No. Apt and cousins allow not installing recommends. There was
a recent thread where someone stated that option not available
when installing the system. More when I wake up.
Maybe make a minimum install first, then change the global apt
configuration to always apply "--no-install-recommends" as the
predefined parameter if no other flag would be added by the user
to the apt command, and only afterwards enrich your installation
by installing the packages which you need.
*ROFL* with MASSIVE *GRIN* ;/
In my original post I had phrased that as:>> My proposed alternative
is to leave unchecked all options on the
"Software Selection" menu and create appropriate pseudo-packages
to be installed with "apt-get --no-install-recommends"
I take it you agree, ten.
You could call "tasksel" again, if you want to use the software
bundle selection menu which you have seen during the initial
installation.
I don't follow what you are trying to say there.
In words of several syllables, you could call "tasksel" again:
$ tasksel --list-tasks
u desktop Debian desktop environment
u gnome-desktop GNOME
u xfce-desktop Xfce
u kde-desktop KDE Plasma
u cinnamon-desktop Cinnamon
u mate-desktop MATE
u lxde-desktop LXDE
u lxqt-desktop LXQt
u web-serverweb server
i print-server print server
i ssh-serverSSH server
u laptoplaptop
$
… if you want to use the software bundle selection menu
(which you have seen during the initial installation):
┌───┤ [!] Software selection
├┐
│
│
│ At the moment, only the core of the system is installed. To tune the
system │
│ to your needs, you can choose to install one or more of the following
│
│ predefined collections of software.
│
│
│
│ Choose software to install:
│
│
│
│ [ ] Debian desktop environment
│
│ [ ] ... GNOME
│
│ [ ] ... Xfce
│
│ [ ] ... KDE
│
│ [ ] ... Cinnamon
│
│ [ ] ... MATE
│
│ [ ] ... LXDE
│
│ [ ] web server
│
│ [*] print server
│
│ [*] SSH server
│
│ [*] standard system utilities
│
│
│
│
│
│
│
└─┘
So I might call tasksel to install a web server if I forgot to check
it when I ran the installer.
You should remind, that if in the tasksel menu deselecting all
specifically named Desktop Environments (Gnome, Xfce, KDE, ...)
but still selecting the top entry "Debian desktop environment"
then a full blown Gnome environment will be downloaded and
installed.
I discovered that long ago. I consider that a bug, but the Debian team
likely considers that a feature.
So what would your version of an installer do when presented with:
│ [*] Debian desktop environment │
│ [ ] ... GNOME │
│ [ ] ... Xfce │
│ [ ]
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 08:24:41 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 09/10/2020 02:28 AM, Marco Möller wrote:
> > On 10.09.20 08:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > On 09/09/2020 12:12 PM, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Wed 09 Sep 2020 at 19:56:05 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > > On Mi, 09 sep 20, 08:27:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Download bandwidth or data cap constraints.
> > > > > > {aggravated by treating "recommends" as "depends"}
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are referring to package maintainers declaring Depends on other
> > > > > packages where it should be just a Recommends, do note it is often a
> > > > > side effect of users disabling automatic installation of Recommends
> > > > > and
> > > > > then complaining about missing functionality.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the OP is referring to debootstrap's inability to install only
> > > > Depends:.
> > >
> > > No. Apt and cousins allow not installing recommends. There was
> > > a recent thread where someone stated that option not available
> > > when installing the system. More when I wake up.
> > >
> > Maybe make a minimum install first, then change the global apt
> > configuration to always apply "--no-install-recommends" as the
> > predefined parameter if no other flag would be added by the user
> > to the apt command, and only afterwards enrich your installation
> > by installing the packages which you need.
>
> *ROFL* with MASSIVE *GRIN* ;/
>
> In my original post I had phrased that as:>> My proposed alternative
> is to leave unchecked all options on the
> > > "Software Selection" menu and create appropriate pseudo-packages
> > > to be installed with "apt-get --no-install-recommends"
I take it you agree, ten.
> > You could call "tasksel" again, if you want to use the software
> > bundle selection menu which you have seen during the initial
> > installation.
>
> I don't follow what you are trying to say there.
In words of several syllables, you could call "tasksel" again:
$ tasksel --list-tasks
u desktop Debian desktop environment
u gnome-desktop GNOME
u xfce-desktop Xfce
u kde-desktop KDE Plasma
u cinnamon-desktop Cinnamon
u mate-desktop MATE
u lxde-desktop LXDE
u lxqt-desktop LXQt
u web-serverweb server
i print-server print server
i ssh-serverSSH server
u laptoplaptop
$
… if you want to use the software bundle selection menu
(which you have seen during the initial installation):
┌───┤ [!] Software selection
├┐
│
│
│ At the moment, only the core of the system is installed. To tune the system
│
│ to your needs, you can choose to install one or more of the following
│
│ predefined collections of software.
│
│
│
│ Choose software to install:
│
│
│
│ [ ] Debian desktop environment
│
│ [ ] ... GNOME
│
│ [ ] ... Xfce
│
│ [ ] ... KDE
│
│ [ ] ... Cinnamon
│
│ [ ] ... MATE
│
│ [ ] ... LXDE
│
│ [ ] web server
│
│ [*] print server
│
│ [*] SSH server
│
│ [*] standard system utilities
│
│
│
│
│
│
│
└─┘
So I might call tasksel to install a web server if I forgot to check
it when I ran the installer.
> > You should remind, that if in the tasksel menu deselecting all
> > specifically named Desktop Environments (Gnome, Xfce, KDE, ...)
> > but still selecting the top entry "Debian desktop environment"
> > then a full blown Gnome environment will be downloaded and
> > installed.
>
> I discovered that long ago. I consider that a bug, but the Debian team
> likely considers that a feature.
So what would your version o
Re: Why start the first partition at 2 MIB, why not at any multiple of 4096 bytes ...
On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 16:02:59 (+1000), David wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 11:26, David Christensen > wrote: > > On 2020-09-09 08:03, David Wright wrote: > > > > ... having been bitten by > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=923561 > > > I have a 300 GB drive that has been causing me some confusion. Did I > > elicity the bug when I partitioned the disk as follows? > > I have not read all relevant messages, but in case it helps you can > check your exact device partition boundaries by running: My choice would be fdisk -l or gdisk -l for the partition table, but I'm not sure what to ask for in terms of the encryption: I don't know what options are available, nor how to interrogate for them after the event. But IIRC the alignment problem was logged in kern.log, so any output when the partition is unlocked and mounted might be useful. > parted /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3300622AS_ 'unit compact print > free unit s print free unit b print free' I don't like parted particularly, and don't know what "free" does. Can you elucidate? $ man parted | grep -i free $ info --output=/dev/stdout --subnodes parted | grep -i free Feel free to ask for help on this list -- just check that your GNU Parted is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License in the COPYING file. If not, write to the Free Software Foundation, the Free Translation Project. * 'COPYING.DOC' - the GNU Free Documentation Licence, the term under * 'INSTALL' -- how to compile and install Parted, and most other free * GNU Free Documentation License:: License for copying this manual File: parted.info, Node: GNU Free Documentation License, Up: Copying This Manual A.1 GNU Free Documentation License Copyright (C) 2000, 2001, 2002, 2007, 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc. functional and useful document "free" in the sense of freedom: to assure everyone the effective freedom to copy and redistribute it, works of the document must themselves be free in the same sense. license designed for free software. free software, because free software needs free documentation: a free program should come with manuals providing the same freedoms grants a world-wide, royalty-free license, unlimited in duration, network protocols a complete Transparent copy of the Document, free The Free Software Foundation may publish new, revised versions of the GNU Free Documentation License from time to time. Such new published (not as a draft) by the Free Software Foundation. If the choose any version ever published (not as a draft) by the Free under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.3 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; Free Documentation License''. recommend releasing these examples in parallel under your choice of free their use in free software. This manual is distributed under the GNU Free Documentation License, the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, with no * FDL, GNU Free Documentation License: GNU Free Documentation License. $ Cheers, David.
Re: OT: Virtualbox - ISO or VDI?
Hans writes: Hi folks, I have a little question, which I could not solve by searching the internet. My OT question: What are the advantages or disadvantages of using a VDI versus ISO file, when using Virtualbox? I am building my own ISO-files (kali or debian-live), and the iso's are bootable in Virtualbox. Which one should I use? Which one and why has more advantages? They are actually entirely different: * ISO is a CD/DVD/BD image, read only * VDI is a virtual HDD image, read-write If you are fine with running live systems all the time, then ISO is the way to go. For _installing_ OSes inside the VMs you will most likely want to use actual virtual HDD images (VDI). The advantage of an installation is of course that you can make persistent changes easily. The advantage of live systems in VMs is that they take significantly less storage compared to installed systems. HTH Linux-Fan [...] pgpzNOkvxaBLe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Virtualbox - ISO or VDI?
Hi. On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 05:26:55PM +0200, Hans wrote: > My OT question: What are the advantages or disadvantages of using a VDI > versus > ISO file, when using Virtualbox? I am building my own ISO-files (kali or > debian-live), and the iso's are bootable in Virtualbox. In this context, VDI is read-write. ISO is read-only. > Which one should I use? Which one and why has more advantages? Whichever works, obviously. Unless you see a visible difference, choose the one with lesser size. Reco
OT: Virtualbox - ISO or VDI?
Hi folks, I have a little question, which I could not solve by searching the internet. My OT question: What are the advantages or disadvantages of using a VDI versus ISO file, when using Virtualbox? I am building my own ISO-files (kali or debian-live), and the iso's are bootable in Virtualbox. Which one should I use? Which one and why has more advantages? If someone could enlighten me, I would be very happy. Thanks in advance! Hans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On Jo, 10 sep 20, 07:40:19, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I had searched for something titled "aptitude reference manual" ;/ > I found [https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/index.en.html] which > appears to be an HTML version of the "readme". > > I find HTML easier to navigate than text files and I can reformat the > display to accommodate some vision problems. apt show aptitude-doc-en Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On 09/10/2020 02:28 AM, Marco Möller wrote:
On 10.09.20 08:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 09/09/2020 12:12 PM, Brian wrote:
On Wed 09 Sep 2020 at 19:56:05 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 09 sep 20, 08:27:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
1. Download bandwidth or data cap constraints.
{aggravated by treating "recommends" as "depends"}
If you are referring to package maintainers declaring Depends on other
packages where it should be just a Recommends, do note it is often a
side effect of users disabling automatic installation of Recommends and
then complaining about missing functionality.
I believe the OP is referring to debootstrap's inability to install only
Depends:.
No. Apt and cousins allow not installing recommends. There was a
recent thread where someone stated that option not available when
installing the system. More when I wake up.
Maybe make a minimum install first, then change the global apt
configuration to always apply "--no-install-recommends" as the
predefined parameter if no other flag would be added by the user to the
apt command, and only afterwards enrich your installation by installing
the packages which you need.
*ROFL* with MASSIVE *GRIN* ;/
In my original post I had phrased that as:>> My proposed alternative is
to leave unchecked all options on the
"Software Selection" menu and create appropriate pseudo-packages
to be installed with "apt-get --no-install-recommends"
You could call "tasksel" again, if you want to use the software bundle
selection menu which you have seen during the initial installation.
I don't follow what you are trying to say there.
You
should remind, that if in the tasksel menu deselecting all specifically
named Desktop Environments (Gnome, Xfce, KDE, ...) but still selecting
the top entry "Debian desktop environment" then a full blown Gnome
environment will be downloaded and installed.
I discovered that long ago. I consider that a bug, but the Debian team
likely considers that a feature.
You could also look out for package bundles with the name prefix
"task-". For instance "apt search task- | grep mate" will show you that
a bundle package "task-mate-desktop" exists. "apt show
task-mate-desktop" will show you the list of packages which this bundle
package will draw in. Among the listed packages there might appear other
bundles, therefore iterate with "apt show" through the listed package
names for getting ahead some idea of all packages which would become
installed.
I think Greg has pointed me in the right direction when he suggested
" aptitude search '~pStandard' " to deal with another aspect of my
problem. Today's assignment is reading the user manual.
Thanks.
Re: my pc is shutdown unexpectedly
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:15:56PM +, Long Wind wrote: 3rd installation failure is probably not caused by problem disk but 1st and 2nd installation failure is Almost certainly not. Turning off *is not* a symptom of a bad disk. You have at least a cooling issue, and who knows what other problems. Your symptoms correlate much better with that than with a hard drive problem.
Re: my pc is shutdown unexpectedly
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:36:21PM +, Long Wind wrote: i've been warned "Core temperature above threshold" for a long time i just ignore it. probably it isn't cause of shutdown if it is, it can warn explicitly in /var/log that it will shutdown surely it can beep before shutdown, but i didn't hear any beep The system can turn itself off regardless of the OS, and that is something that systems do if they overheat.
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On 09/10/2020 01:11 AM, David wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 15:50, Richard Owlett wrote: The manpage [https://manpages.debian.org/buster/aptitude/aptitude.8.en.html] makes multiple references to "the aptitude reference manual" but gives no link. Where do I find it? Under the Help menu when running aptitude interactively, or you can read it directly from the text file /usr/share/aptitude/README Thank you. I had searched for something titled "aptitude reference manual" ;/ I found [https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/index.en.html] which appears to be an HTML version of the "readme". I find HTML easier to navigate than text files and I can reformat the display to accommodate some vision problems.
Re: my pc is shutdown unexpectedly
i've been warned "Core temperature above threshold" for a long timei just ignore it. probably it isn't cause of shutdownif it is, it can warn explicitly in /var/log that it will shutdownsurely it can beep before shutdown, but i didn't hear any beep it shutdown unexpectedly, it means answer can't be found by studying /var/log??
Re: my pc is shutdown unexpectedly
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 8:03:16 AM EDT, Michael Stone wrote: there was never anything reported that sounded remotely like a hard disk problem. 3rd installation failure is probably not caused by problem diskbut 1st and 2nd installation failure is the pc is stable, it can run linux, it never show any sign that i can't explain
Re: my pc is shutdown unexpectedly
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:03:22PM +0200, Marco Möller wrote: After you recently already have had difficult to explain problems with a hard disk, there was never anything reported that sounded remotely like a hard disk problem.
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On 10/09/20 6:11 pm, David wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 15:50, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> The manpage >> [https://manpages.debian.org/buster/aptitude/aptitude.8.en.html] makes >> multiple references to "the aptitude reference manual" but gives no link. > >> Where do I find it? > > Under the Help menu when running aptitude interactively, or you can read > it directly from the text file > /usr/share/aptitude/README > Huh. That seems an odd location. I would have expected that in /usr/share/doc/aptitude - but that has a link to the above. Richard
Re: my pc is shutdown unexpectedly
On 10.09.20 11:16, Long Wind wrote: On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 1:22:36 AM EDT, Felix Miata wrote: Have you cleaned the inside of the PC? Is dust clogging cooling fins or fans or case vents? Are fans spinning? PSUs can overheat and cause breakdown as well. i don't have such skill as pc maintenance. i have removed heat sink but unable to install back. before that i have tested memory with memtest86+, it quickly shutdown. i think it's not memory's fault, if it is memtest86+ shall report error in red. Of course your hardware needs all fans clean and also the thermal conduction between CPU and heat sink in proper shape (thermal paste not dry and still in good condition). After you recently already have had difficult to explain problems with a hard disk, did you finally check the motherboard, RAM and CPU to still perform reliable, as recommended in the thread for your hard disk problem? You will remember, I recommended to confirm if your hardware runs stable under a high load for a long time. The test tools recommended to use are: RAM: memtest86+ (accessible as an boot option from rescue distros) CPU: stress-ng (package in the Debian repository) Motherboard: dd (package coreutils, should already be installed) Good Luck! Marco.
Re: Create 3D text?
On 10/09/2020 02:53, Carl Fink wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone suggest a Debian repo-installable program to create 3D text? > I'll do CAD if I must, but I haven't touched the stuff for years (and I > was never very knowledgeable or skilled). > > Thanks. > GIMP ? A quick search for "3D text + Linux" threw that up fairly quickly.
Re: my pc is shutdown unexpectedly
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 1:22:36 AM EDT, Felix Miata wrote: Have you cleaned the inside of the PC? Is dust clogging cooling fins or fans or case vents? Are fans spinning? PSUs can overheat and cause breakdown as well. i don't have such skill as pc maintenance. i have removed heat sink but unable to install back. before that i have tested memory with memtest86+, it quickly shutdown. i think it's not memory's fault, if it is memtest86+ shall report error in red.
Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu
On 10.09.20 08:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 09/09/2020 12:12 PM, Brian wrote:
On Wed 09 Sep 2020 at 19:56:05 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 09 sep 20, 08:27:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
1. Download bandwidth or data cap constraints.
{aggravated by treating "recommends" as "depends"}
If you are referring to package maintainers declaring Depends on other
packages where it should be just a Recommends, do note it is often a
side effect of users disabling automatic installation of Recommends and
then complaining about missing functionality.
I believe the OP is referring to debootstrap's inability to install only
Depends:.
No. Apt and cousins allow not installing recommends. There was a recent
thread where someone stated that option not available when installing
the system. More when I wake up.
Maybe make a minimum install first, then change the global apt
configuration to always apply "--no-install-recommends" as the
predefined parameter if no other flag would be added by the user to the
apt command, and only afterwards enrich your installation by installing
the packages which you need.
You could call "tasksel" again, if you want to use the software bundle
selection menu which you have seen during the initial installation. You
should remind, that if in the tasksel menu deselecting all specifically
named Desktop Environments (Gnome, Xfce, KDE, ...) but still selecting
the top entry "Debian desktop environment" then a full blown Gnome
environment will be downloaded and installed.
You could also look out for package bundles with the name prefix
"task-". For instance "apt search task- | grep mate" will show you that
a bundle package "task-mate-desktop" exists. "apt show
task-mate-desktop" will show you the list of packages which this bundle
package will draw in. Among the listed packages there might appear other
bundles, therefore iterate with "apt show" through the listed package
names for getting ahead some idea of all packages which would become
installed.
Good Luck! Marco.
