Re: Fwd: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ]

[David Christensen]

On 2020-11-11 17:43, Olivier wrote:


On 2020-11-11 18:59, Felix Miata wrote:



Thanks for the offers of help.


Any competent Linux or BSD user understands that copying a USB flash 
drive with a live Linux distribution and a diagnostic application to a 
raw image file is easy.  Apparently, Seagate has no such users.



I should have stated that the subject post was for the historical record 
only -- caveat emptor.  Please do not reply.



David

Re: GTK can't load images

[dmacdoug]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 06:58:56PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2020-11-11 at 17:57, mmdebmail2...@marwedels.de wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 11 November 2020 07:06:31 The Wanderer wrote:
> > 
> >> At a glance, this doesn't look like it means the program thinks the
> >> file isn't present, but that it thinks the file is in an invalid
> >> format.
> > 
> >> Have you confirmed that this file is in fact a valid PNG, and can
> >> be opened and displayed correctly?
> > 
> > data=data@entry=0x55c9120c "\211PNG\r\n\032\n"
> 
> Where does this come from? I don't recognize it at a glance.
> 
> > I think is clearly png. Moreover ristrettro stopped to display all
> > images I have tested so far.
> 
> I've never heard of 'ristrettro' before, and I don't find it mentioned
> with 'apt-cache search'. A few of the Google results for that search
> term look like they may be related, but don't seem helpful in finding
> out what it actually is.
> 
> What I was thinking of as a way to confirm whether this is a PNG is to
> A: first check e.g. the output of 'file' on the file, and then B: open
> it in an image viewer which can handle PNGs and is known working, maybe
> even one on a different computer.
> 
> >>  $ grep .-debug /etc/apt/sources.list
> >>  #deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stable-debug main 
> >> non-free contrib
> > 
> > Thanks, I never knew about those repositories, this made debugging
> > easier :)
> 
> They're a comparatively recent addition to Debian; the idea as I
> understand it is to both split out the debug-symbols packages so that
> people who don't care about them don't need to have them show up in
> package searches, and make it practical to have such packages be
> autogenerated for all relevant packages rather than only existing if the
> maintainer set things up to specifically generate one.
> 
Ristretto (no r before the final o) is an image viewer.  It's in debian main

Maintainer: Debian Xfce Maintainers
Homepage:   https://docs.xfce.org/apps/ristretto/start

Cheers,
Don MacDougall

Re: Celeron vis a vis Pentium (was: An old box running Debian 8)

[Long Wind]

   On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 5:24:49 AM GMT+8, Felix Miata 
 wrote:  
Celeron is a budget family of Intel processors, based upon Pentium II, III, 4 
and
newer Pentium processors. Pentium II Celeron means a Celeron based upon the
Pentium II family, the oldest family of Celerons.


OP probably means Pentium II-based Celeron 



  

Re: An old box running Debian 8

[riveravaldez]

On 11/11/20, Felix Miata  wrote:
> Charles Curley composed on 2020-11-11 13:43 (UTC-0700):
>
>> Also consider a lightweight desktop such as XFCE. But I would
>> be surprised if that solution helped.
>
> Why do people keep claiming XFCE is a lightweight?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvJOXypAbk

A really good option in this field is IceWM. It has everything a typical
user needs out-of-the-box and is extremely lightweight (and themeable).

Re: Fwd: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ]

[Olivier]

Hi David,

> We tried to contact you by phone xx, but were unable to reach 
> you. We understand that you are requesting a binary image of Seagate 
> SeaTools Bootable available. We regret this, but it is not possible for 
> us to generate this, the tools we have certain features and some things 
> are out of our reach.

I missed your original messages so I am not 100% sure what you are
looking for. As far as I remember, Hiren used to have the SeaTool
included in their earlier versions (when they had a lot of pirated
stuff), I am talking version 10 or 12. Maybe that is what you are
looking for?

Best regards,

Olivier

Fwd: Regarding your case number 10724899 [ ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ]

[David Christensen]

debian-user & freebsd-questions:

Follow-up from Seagate regarding my previous thread.


David



 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Regarding your case number 10724899[ 
ref:_00D00hhzl._5004V11emZL:ref ]

Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 20:05:19 + (GMT)
From: discsupp...@seagate.com 
To: dpchr...@holgerdanske.com 

Hello David Christensen,

Thank you for your email response. We apologize for the delay in our 
response; we have had staffing cuts due to the pandemic.


We tried to contact you by phone xx, but were unable to reach 
you. We understand that you are requesting a binary image of Seagate 
SeaTools Bootable available. We regret this, but it is not possible for 
us to generate this, the tools we have certain features and some things 
are out of our reach.


But we want to help you and understand your needs, if you are trying to 
test the drive, then we need to know the reason or the issue that 
presented the drive:


Could you tell us if the disk has any fault?
I already try to use it in another device or use another SATA cable?
This drive serial number 6VV842DN is designed to be used in DVR devices 
for video recordings, are you using it for this end?

Can access the data in the drive?
I have reviewed serial # 6VV842DN and it appears the warranty coverage 
has expired since 02/22/2014. Are you able to attach a copy of the 
purchase receipt? This would allow us to also explore other options that 
could be beneficial to you.


We look forward to receiving your response with the aforementioned 
details, or contact us at xx. We will be happy to help you from 
8:00 AM to 6:00 PM Central time, Monday – Friday. We thank you for your 
continued trust in our products and services and hope you have a 
wonderful day!


Regards,

Mariana
Seagate Support



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Re: GTK can't load images

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-11-11 at 17:57, mmdebmail2...@marwedels.de wrote:

> On Wednesday 11 November 2020 07:06:31 The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> At a glance, this doesn't look like it means the program thinks the
>> file isn't present, but that it thinks the file is in an invalid
>> format.
> 
>> Have you confirmed that this file is in fact a valid PNG, and can
>> be opened and displayed correctly?
> 
> data=data@entry=0x55c9120c "\211PNG\r\n\032\n"

Where does this come from? I don't recognize it at a glance.

> I think is clearly png. Moreover ristrettro stopped to display all
> images I have tested so far.

I've never heard of 'ristrettro' before, and I don't find it mentioned
with 'apt-cache search'. A few of the Google results for that search
term look like they may be related, but don't seem helpful in finding
out what it actually is.

What I was thinking of as a way to confirm whether this is a PNG is to
A: first check e.g. the output of 'file' on the file, and then B: open
it in an image viewer which can handle PNGs and is known working, maybe
even one on a different computer.

>>  $ grep .-debug /etc/apt/sources.list
>>  #deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stable-debug main 
>> non-free contrib
> 
> Thanks, I never knew about those repositories, this made debugging
> easier :)

They're a comparatively recent addition to Debian; the idea as I
understand it is to both split out the debug-symbols packages so that
people who don't care about them don't need to have them show up in
package searches, and make it practical to have such packages be
autogenerated for all relevant packages rather than only existing if the
maintainer set things up to specifically generate one.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: GTK can't load images

[mmDebMail2020]

> On Wednesday 11 November 2020 07:06:31 The Wanderer wrote:
> > At a glance, this doesn't look like it means the program thinks the
> > file isn't present, but that it thinks the file is in an invalid
>> format.
>
>> Have you confirmed that this file is in fact a valid PNG, and can be
>> opened and displayed correctly?
data=data@entry=0x55c9120c "\211PNG\r\n\032\n"

I think is clearly png. Moreover ristrettro stopped to display all 
images I have tested so far.


>> If it is, then I would suspect that something about GTK's ability to
>> recognize and load that file format has become broken. The error
>> messages from your compilation attempt seem to support that idea.

> I can verify that same failure, but stretch at least then falls back
> to gimp to display the image. Started at least a week ago. Seems to me
> I saw a libpixbuf update go by.

I got so far as cache_get_mime_type_for_data in glib2.0-2.58.3 in 
xdgmimecache.c not finding a proper entry and then XDG_MIME_TYPE_UNKNOWN 
(=application/octet_stream) is reported. And there is obviously no 
loader for this fallback ;)


> >  $ grep .-debug /etc/apt/sources.list
> >  #deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stable-debug
> > main non-free contrib
Thanks, I never knew about those repositories, this made debugging easier :)

Re: An old box running Debian 8

[Felix Miata]

Charles Curley composed on 2020-11-11 13:43 (UTC-0700):

> Also consider a lightweight desktop such as XFCE. But I would
> be surprised if that solution helped.

Why do people keep claiming XFCE is a lightweight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvJOXypAbk
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Re: Celeron vis a vis Pentium (was: An old box running Debian 8)

[Felix Miata]

Long Wind composed on 2020-11-11 20:44 (UTC):

>On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 1:45:18 AM GMT+8, Miroslav Skoric wrote:  

>  I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running...

>...PS: Pentium II and Celeron are two processors.

Celeron is a budget family of Intel processors, based upon Pentium II, III, 4 
and
newer Pentium processors. Pentium II Celeron means a Celeron based upon the
Pentium II family, the oldest family of Celerons.
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Re: An old box running Debian 8

[Charles Curley]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:40:50 +0100
Miroslav Skoric  wrote:

> I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM)
> running ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very
> slow after starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try
> (if possible at all) to upgrade it to Debian 9. Any experience with
> such old boxes?

It is not clear whether you are merely observing that it is slow with a
GUI running, or whether you would like to have a GUI, and are asking
for advice specifically there.

Assuming the latter, what do you want out of a GUI? An absolute minimal
GUI such as FVWM might serve you well enough, but I would not expect
miracles. Also consider a lightweight desktop such as XFCE. But I would
be surprised if that solution helped.

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Re: Error from dpkg via apt-get.

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 11/11/20 10:00 PM, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> More about wicd later.  This is a more immediate problem.
> 
> An attempt to install a package begins as expected.
> For example apt-get install exim4 retrieves exim4-base and
> etc.  Then preconfigures.
> 
> Then this.
> 
> Selecting previously unselected package exim4-config.
> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
>  files list file for package 'libqt5script5:i386' is missing final newline
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code (2)
> 
> Any suggestions to fix this?  Aside from reinstalling the
> system of course.
> 
> Thx,  ... Peter E.
> 


Hi,

your problem may be similar to that -

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1106373/files-list-file-for-package-package-is-missing-final-newline

so you can try to purge 'libqt5script5:i386' package and delete its
content under /var/lib/dpkg/info/

HTH

Kind regards
Georgi

Re: MariaDB database under /home

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 11/11/2020 15:42, Nicolas George wrote:

Tony van der Hoff (12020-11-11):

It is known that the maintainers of MariaDB deprecate the database files
residing under /home, in fact going so far as making it an error, unless
/usr/lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service has ProtectHome=true commented out.

Now, this is all very well, and I'm sure there are good reasons for it, but
I want my databases to reside in /home. Unfortunately, each time there's an
upgrade to the package my preferred setting gets overwritten, resulting in
MariaDB failing to start, and my having to edit the service file on a number
of machines.

I'd consider this a bug, but is there at least any way of making my change
more permanent?


It is not a bug, only files residing in /etc can be modified by the
administrator.

I suggest you read about systemd's drop-in configuration files and the
edit command in the systemctl(1) man page.

Regards,



OK, I see, thanks.
For the archive a useful source might be:
https://www.computernetworkingnotes.com/linux-tutorials/systemd-unit-configuration-files-explained.html

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Error from dpkg via apt-get.

[peter]

More about wicd later.  This is a more immediate problem.

An attempt to install a package begins as expected.
For example apt-get install exim4 retrieves exim4-base and
etc.  Then preconfigures.

Then this.

Selecting previously unselected package exim4-config.
dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
 files list file for package 'libqt5script5:i386' is missing final 
newline

E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code (2)

Any suggestions to fix this?  Aside from reinstalling the
system of course.

Thx,  ... Peter E.

MariaDB database under /home

[Tony van der Hoff]

It is known that the maintainers of MariaDB deprecate the database files 
residing under /home, in fact going so far as making it an error, unless 
/usr/lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service has ProtectHome=true commented out.


Now, this is all very well, and I'm sure there are good reasons for it, 
but I want my databases to reside in /home. Unfortunately, each time 
there's an upgrade to the package my preferred setting gets overwritten, 
resulting in MariaDB failing to start, and my having to edit the service 
file on a number of machines.


I'd consider this a bug, but is there at least any way of making my 
change more permanent?


--
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Buckinghamshire, England |

Re: An old box running Debian 8

[Felix Miata]

Miroslav Skoric composed on 2020-11-11 17:40 (UTC+0100):

> I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running 
> ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after 
> starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if possible at 
> all) to upgrade it to Debian 9. Any experience with such old boxes?

Which WM or DE is your GUI running? Some use/need a lot more RAM than others. If
you want a full DE you might wish to try TDE, a fork of KDE3 initially created
when KDE went to version 4, 10 years ago. Its latest release is available for
Squeeze, Wheezy, Jesse, Stretch and Buster.

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Re: An old box running Debian 8

[Linux-Fan]

Miroslav Skoric writes:

I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running ham  
radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after starting  
GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if possible at all) to  
upgrade it to Debian 9. Any experience with such old boxes?


Misko YT7MPB


Pentium II is old indeed. Whenever using old processors, it is important to  
test if the new kernel will still support them.


As long as you stay on the CLI I do not expect there to be a major  
performance degradation from the upgrade.


I am running Debian 10 on an old laptop (Acer TravelMate 210) with 128 MiB  
of RAM and 700 MHz Intel Celeron (?) and it is slow even on commandline use  
with "heavy" applications like vim or maxima. Other tools, like sc-im run  
quickly enough, though...


HTH
Linux-Fan

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Re: An old box running Debian 8

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 05:40:50PM +0100, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running ham
> radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after starting
> GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if possible at all) to
> upgrade it to Debian 9. Any experience with such old boxes?

Upgrading to a newer release is not likely to make it faster.  If anything,
it'll be slower (due to increased memory demands of newer software).

It's also worth noting that Debian 8->9 has a huge change to X and video
drivers.  Lots of chipsets are supported *differently* in Debian 9 than
they were in previous versions.  Whether that's good or bad will depend
on the chipset.  Some chipsets may have lost support altogether.

At this point, your system is quite old, and you should not expect it to
last forever.  Even if the software works perfectly, the hardware is
eventually going to fail.  You might want to get ahead of that by buying
something less ancient.  You might even save on electricity by doing this.

An old box running Debian 8

[Miroslav Skoric]

I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running 
ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after 
starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if possible at 
all) to upgrade it to Debian 9. Any experience with such old boxes?


Misko YT7MPB

[solved] Re: lpr stange behaviour

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2020, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:


Hm. Looking into the Postscript files, tst.ps has one page and
tst2.ps has two. So it seems to work as intended.

Why do you expect tst2.ps to only yield one page?


hi Tomas,
you are perfectly right: I used the wrong tool (xv) to display the file.
I installed gv, and with it I see that it actually has 2 pages!
thanks for your help.
cheers,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: lpr stange behaviour

[tomas]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 05:41:36PM +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> hi,
> I have 2 postscript files, tst.ps and tst2.ps. (cf attached files)
> with: lpr -P pdf  tst.ps, I get a 1 page tst.pdf
> with: lpr -P pdf  tst2.ps, I get a 2 pages tst2.pdf
> Can anybody help to solve this mystery?

Hm. Looking into the Postscript files, tst.ps has one page and
tst2.ps has two. So it seems to work as intended.

Why do you expect tst2.ps to only yield one page?

Cheers
 - t


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Re: Is there such a thing as a Debian blend for a MacBook Air 1,1 and/or Mac boxes in general? ...

[Albretch Mueller]

> - use a USB wireless dongle instead of your integrated wireless card.

 OK,  I will try that and I will let you know how it went

 I have no other option, so I will have to offer myself as some sort
of guinea pig and waste time/effort exploring such territories

 Thank you very much,
 lbrtchx

>
> So it seems the appropriate firmware is ucode11.fw and it cannot be loaded
> albeit being in /lib/firmware/b43.
>
> I suppose the main problem is that you use a live medium and for whatever
> reason this prevents loading the firmware. I do not know if it  is due to a
> different filesystem (squashfs?), permissions on the /lib/firmware/b43
> directory, or the system expecting the firmwares in a different directory on
> a live system, or... etc...
>
> I am afraid I do not have the necessary knowledge to further help you.
> What I can symply suggest is either:
> - use a USB wireless dongle instead of your integrated wireless card. If you
> use an unofficial Debian Live medium including firmwares, your USB wireless
> dongle will be recognized straight away, given there is a driver in the
> Linux kernel.
> - delve into the docs of the Debian Live universe (
> https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/ ) and create a tailored
> Debian Live medium for your needs, including the firmware for your Broadcom
> wireless card
>
> I fear there is no easier way because all Linux based systems will have by
> default the same lack of firmwares due to Broadcom policy and I do not think
> you will find a *BSD based live medium able to deal with your integrated
> wireless card (I may be wrong)
>
>

lpr stange behaviour

[Pierre Frenkiel]

hi,
I have 2 postscript files, tst.ps and tst2.ps. (cf attached files)
with: lpr -P pdf  tst.ps, I get a 1 page tst.pdf
with: lpr -P pdf  tst2.ps, I get a 2 pages tst2.pdf
Can anybody help to solve this mystery?

best regards,
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Re: MariaDB database under /home

[Sven Hartge]

Tony van der Hoff  wrote:

> It is known that the maintainers of MariaDB deprecate the database
> files residing under /home, in fact going so far as making it an
> error, unless /usr/lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service has
> ProtectHome=true commented out.

> Now, this is all very well, and I'm sure there are good reasons for
> it, but I want my databases to reside in /home. Unfortunately, each
> time there's an upgrade to the package my preferred setting gets
> overwritten, resulting in MariaDB failing to start, and my having to
> edit the service file on a number of machines.

> I'd consider this a bug, but is there at least any way of making my
> change more permanent?

I hope you don't just edit /lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service as that
will be overwritten on every package update.

The correct way to do this is to use "systemctl edit mariadb.service"
(or manually create /etc/systemd/servic/mariadb.service.d/foobar.conf)
and put something like

,
| [Service]
| ProtectHome=false
`

into it. This will be kept on upgrades.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: MariaDB database under /home

[Nicolas George]

Tony van der Hoff (12020-11-11):
> It is known that the maintainers of MariaDB deprecate the database files
> residing under /home, in fact going so far as making it an error, unless
> /usr/lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service has ProtectHome=true commented out.
> 
> Now, this is all very well, and I'm sure there are good reasons for it, but
> I want my databases to reside in /home. Unfortunately, each time there's an
> upgrade to the package my preferred setting gets overwritten, resulting in
> MariaDB failing to start, and my having to edit the service file on a number
> of machines.
> 
> I'd consider this a bug, but is there at least any way of making my change
> more permanent?

It is not a bug, only files residing in /etc can be modified by the
administrator.

I suggest you read about systemd's drop-in configuration files and the
edit command in the systemctl(1) man page.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: GTK can't load images

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 11 November 2020 07:06:31 The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2020-11-11 at 06:12, Malte Marwedel wrote:
> > Hello,
> > since recently, several applications (firefox, pavucontrol,
> > pidgin...) fail to load images with gtk.
> > This happens when logging in as different user too, so its unlikely
> > this is a setting in the ~ directory.
> > The error message is as following:
> >
> > $ pavucontrol
> >
> > (process:13818): Gtk-WARNING **: 11:47:10.492: Locale not supported
> > by C library.
> >  Using the fallback 'C' locale.
> >
> > (pavucontrol:13818): Gtk-WARNING **: 11:47:10.592: Could not load a
> > pixbuf from icon theme.
> > This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not
> > be found.
> > **
> > Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gic
> >on: assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load
> > /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/16x16/status/image-missing.png:
> > Unrecognized image file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
> > Abgebrochen
>
> At a glance, this doesn't look like it means the program thinks the
> file isn't present, but that it thinks the file is in an invalid
> format.
>
> Have you confirmed that this file is in fact a valid PNG, and can be
> opened and displayed correctly?
>
> If it is, then I would suspect that something about GTK's ability to
> recognize and load that file format has become broken. The error
> messages from your compilation attempt seem to support that idea.

I can verify that same failure, but stretch at least then falls back to 
gimp to display the image. Started at least a week ago. Seems to me I 
saw a libpixbuf update go by.

> > After googling the error for two hours but don't finding any working
> > solution. I started to dig the problem down.
> > Lucily, I had already build gtk+3.0-3.24.5 myself before (reason:
> > https://superuser.com/questions/1033414/how-to-disable-gtkfilechoose
> >rdialog-search), so I have debug symbols there
>
> 
>
> > gdk_pixbuf_new_from_stream is returning NULL. Unfortunately there
> > are no debug symbols in Debian for libgdk_pixbuf.
>
> Are you sure?
>
> $ apt-cache search libgdk-pixbuf | grep dbgsym
> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0-dbgsym - debug symbols for libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin-dbgsym - debug symbols for libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin
>
> Admittedly it's not present by default; you have to add the
> appropriate debug repository, then run 'apt-get update'. I have three
> of them defined, but two of them commented out, so only one available
> in practice.
>
> $ apt-cache policy libgdk-pixbuf2.0.0-dbgsym
> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0-dbgsym:
>   Installed: (none)
>   Candidate: 2.40.0+dfsg-5
>   Version table:
>  2.40.0+dfsg-5 500
> 500 http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug
> testing-debug/main amd64 Packages
>
> $ grep .-debug /etc/apt/sources.list
> #deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stable-debug main
> non-free contrib
> deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ testing-debug main
> non-free contrib
> #deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ unstable-debug main
> non-free contrib


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Re: Local shared storage configuration

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 nov 20, 10:50:29, Didar Hossain wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 11:59:52AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Ma, 03 nov 20, 17:34:48, Joe wrote:
> > > 
> > > Those of us who use NTFS do so deliberately to provide compatibility
> > > with Windows. It's not that long ago that Linux NTFS support was a bit
> > > flaky, so we don't do it solely by our own choice. 
> > 
> > One use case that is significantly easier with NTFS is setting up a 
> > shared local storage for several users on the same system.
> > 
> > With NTFS one can just use mount options to ensure all files/directories 
> > have the correct ownership and permissions[1].
> 
> I have kind of similar requirements with respect to shared folder under Samba.
 
On NFS all_squash in combination with setting anonuid and anongid can be 
used to handle the ownership part, which could be sufficient for most 
use cases.

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Re: Local shared storage configuration

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 nov 20, 09:23:07, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU  writes:
> 
> > On Mi, 11 nov 20, 08:44:18, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> >> Andrei POPESCU  writes:
> >> 
> >> > On Ma, 03 nov 20, 17:34:48, Joe wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> Those of us who use NTFS do so deliberately to provide compatibility
> >> >> with Windows. It's not that long ago that Linux NTFS support was a bit
> >> >> flaky, so we don't do it solely by our own choice. 
> >> >
> >> > One use case that is significantly easier with NTFS is setting up a 
> >> > shared local storage for several users on the same system.
> >> 
> >> Why not for example exFat? (This is not a rant, I have no such
> >> requirements so far and I am just curious)
> >
> > What would be the benefits of exFAT over NTFS (on Linux).
> 
> exfat is simpler,
> exfat has kernel driver

Right. On the other hand NTFS supports symbolic and hard links (need 
these), and being case sensitive is also one less worry in a Linux 
environment.

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Re: GTK can't load images

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-11-11 at 06:12, Malte Marwedel wrote:

> Hello,
> since recently, several applications (firefox, pavucontrol, pidgin...) 
> fail to load images with gtk.
> This happens when logging in as different user too, so its unlikely this 
> is a setting in the ~ directory.
> The error message is as following:
> 
> $ pavucontrol
> 
> (process:13818): Gtk-WARNING **: 11:47:10.492: Locale not supported by C 
> library.
>  Using the fallback 'C' locale.
> 
> (pavucontrol:13818): Gtk-WARNING **: 11:47:10.592: Could not load a 
> pixbuf from icon theme.
> This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be 
> found.
> **
> Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon: 
> assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load 
> /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized 
> image file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
> Abgebrochen

At a glance, this doesn't look like it means the program thinks the file
isn't present, but that it thinks the file is in an invalid format.

Have you confirmed that this file is in fact a valid PNG, and can be
opened and displayed correctly?

If it is, then I would suspect that something about GTK's ability to
recognize and load that file format has become broken. The error
messages from your compilation attempt seem to support that idea.

> After googling the error for two hours but don't finding any working 
> solution. I started to dig the problem down.
> Lucily, I had already build gtk+3.0-3.24.5 myself before (reason: 
> https://superuser.com/questions/1033414/how-to-disable-gtkfilechooserdialog-search),
>  
> so I have debug symbols there



> gdk_pixbuf_new_from_stream is returning NULL. Unfortunately there are no 
> debug symbols in Debian for libgdk_pixbuf.

Are you sure?

$ apt-cache search libgdk-pixbuf | grep dbgsym
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0-dbgsym - debug symbols for libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin-dbgsym - debug symbols for libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin

Admittedly it's not present by default; you have to add the appropriate
debug repository, then run 'apt-get update'. I have three of them
defined, but two of them commented out, so only one available in practice.

$ apt-cache policy libgdk-pixbuf2.0.0-dbgsym
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0-dbgsym:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 2.40.0+dfsg-5
  Version table:
 2.40.0+dfsg-5 500
500 http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug
testing-debug/main amd64 Packages

$ grep .-debug /etc/apt/sources.list
#deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stable-debug main
non-free contrib
deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ testing-debug main
non-free contrib
#deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ unstable-debug main
non-free contrib

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GTK can't load images

[Malte Marwedel]

Hello,
since recently, several applications (firefox, pavucontrol, pidgin...) 
fail to load images with gtk.
This happens when logging in as different user too, so its unlikely this 
is a setting in the ~ directory.

The error message is as following:

$ pavucontrol

(process:13818): Gtk-WARNING **: 11:47:10.492: Locale not supported by C 
library.

Using the fallback 'C' locale.

(pavucontrol:13818): Gtk-WARNING **: 11:47:10.592: Could not load a 
pixbuf from icon theme.
This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be 
found.

**
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon: 
assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load 
/usr/share/icons/Adwaita/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized 
image file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)

Abgebrochen

But the file is there:
$ file /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/16x16/status/image-missing.png
/usr/share/icons/Adwaita/16x16/status/image-missing.png: PNG image data, 
16 x 16, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced


And debsums -s does not find any wrong .png files, so its not a problem 
with the filesystem.


After googling the error for two hours but don't finding any working 
solution. I started to dig the problem down.
Lucily, I had already build gtk+3.0-3.24.5 myself before (reason: 
https://superuser.com/questions/1033414/how-to-disable-gtkfilechooserdialog-search), 
so I have debug symbols there

gdb pavucontrol

I ended up at:
#0  0x76b3a280 in gdk_pixbuf_new_from_stream () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0
#1  0x77007fdf in icon_info_ensure_scale_and_pixbuf 
(icon_info=0x55c0b0d0) at ../../../../gtk/gtkicontheme.c:3951
#2  0x77007fdf in icon_info_ensure_scale_and_pixbuf 
(icon_info=0x55c0b0d0) at ../../../../gtk/gtkicontheme.c:3835
#3  0x7700b1f8 in gtk_icon_info_load_icon 
(icon_info=0x55c0b0d0, error=0x0) at ../../../../gtk/gtkicontheme.c:4070

#4  0x7700b454 in gtk_icon_theme_load_icon_for_scale
(icon_theme=icon_theme@entry=0x55922480, 
icon_name=icon_name@entry=0x55b4c3d0 "multimedia-volume-control", 
size=size@entry=48, scale=scale@entry=1, flags=flags@entry=(unknown: 0), 
error=error@entry=0x0) at ../../../../gtk/gtkicontheme.c:2347

#5  0x7700b619 in gtk_icon_theme_load_icon
(icon_theme=icon_theme@entry=0x55922480, 
icon_name=icon_name@entry=0x55b4c3d0 "multimedia-volume-control", 
size=size@entry=48, flags=flags@entry=(unknown: 0), 
error=error@entry=0x0) at ../../../../gtk/gtkicontheme.c:2284
#6  0x7719182b in icon_list_from_theme 
(window=window@entry=0x5582e280, name=0x55b4c3d0 
"multimedia-volume-control")

at ../../../../gtk/gtkwindow.c:4483
#7  0x77192cd1 in gtk_window_realize_icon 
(window=0x5582e280) at ../../../../gtk/gtkwindow.c:4531
#8  0x7719a2df in gtk_window_realize (widget=0x5582e280) at 
../../../../gtk/gtkwindow.c:7591

#9  0x5559962e in  ()
#10 0x77d9043b in 
Gtk::Widget_Class::realize_callback(_GtkWidget*) () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtkmm-3.0.so.1
#11 0x7692ac8d in g_closure_invoke () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#12 0x7693e4b4 in  () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#13 0x769472be in g_signal_emit_valist () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#14 0x7694797f in g_signal_emit () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#15 0x7718acd6 in gtk_widget_realize 
(widget=widget@entry=0x5582e280) at ../../../../gtk/gtkwidget.c:5471
#16 0x771987fd in gtk_window_show (widget=0x5582e280) at 
../../../../gtk/gtkwindow.c:6180
#17 0x77d9028b in Gtk::Widget_Class::show_callback(_GtkWidget*) 
() at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtkmm-3.0.so.1
#18 0x7692ac8d in g_closure_invoke () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#19 0x7693e4b4 in  () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#20 0x769472be in g_signal_emit_valist () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#21 0x7694797f in g_signal_emit () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#22 0x77184e36 in gtk_widget_show (widget=0x5582e280) at 
../../../../gtk/gtkwidget.c:4800
#23 0x77184e36 in gtk_widget_show (widget=0x5582e280) at 
../../../../gtk/gtkwidget.c:4773
#24 0x77d30849 in Gtk::Main::run(Gtk::Window&) () at 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtkmm-3.0.so.1

#25 0x55586a5e in main ()

gdk_pixbuf_new_from_stream is returning NULL. Unfortunately there are no 
debug symbols in Debian for libgdk_pixbuf.

So I tried to build this lib with debug symbols too.
apt-get source libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev
cd gdk-pixbuf-2.38.1+dfsg/
debuild -b  -us -uc  --no-pre-clean -j1

But this fails with tests/resources.c not found.
Why is this file missing? Because a image file could not be loaded:
[1/97] Generating resources.c with a custom command.
failed to load 
"/h

Re: Is there such a thing as a Debian blend for a MacBook Air 1,1 and/or Mac boxes in general? ...

[didier gaumet]

Le mardi 10 novembre 2020 à 14:20:06 UTC+1, Albretch Mueller a écrit :
 
[...]
> // __ nach installation: ls -l "/lib/firmware/b43" 
[...]
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31176 Nov 7 17:59 ucode11.fw 
[...]
> // __ journalctl | grep -i firmware 
> Nov 07 17:44:06 debian kernel: acpi PNP0A08:00: [Firmware Info]: 
> MMCONFIG for domain  [bus 00-3f] only partially covers this bridge 
> Nov 07 17:45:28 debian kernel: b43 ssb0:0: firmware: failed to load 
> b43/ucode11.fw (-2) 
> Nov 07 17:45:28 debian kernel: b43 ssb0:0: Direct firmware load for 
> b43/ucode11.fw failed with error -2 
> Nov 07 17:45:28 debian kernel: b43 ssb0:0: firmware: failed to load 
> b43/ucode11.fw (-2) 
> Nov 07 17:45:28 debian kernel: b43 ssb0:0: Direct firmware load for 
> b43/ucode11.fw failed with error -2 
> Nov 07 17:45:28 debian kernel: b43 ssb0:0: firmware: failed to load 
> b43-open/ucode11.fw (-2) 
> Nov 07 17:45:28 debian kernel: b43 ssb0:0: Direct firmware load for 
> b43-open/ucode11.fw failed with error -2 
> Nov 07 17:45:28 debian kernel: b43 ssb0:0: firmware: failed to load 
> b43-open/ucode11.fw (-2) 
> Nov 07 17:45:28 debian kernel: b43 ssb0:0: Direct firmware load for 
> b43-open/ucode11.fw failed with error -2 
> Nov 07 17:45:28 debian kernel: b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to 
> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and 
> download the correct firmware for this driver version. Please 
> carefully read all instructions on this website. 
> Nov 07 17:45:32 debian NetworkManager[766]:  [1604771132.1796] 
> manager[0x5601178a3040]: monitoring kernel firmware directory 
> '/lib/firmware'. 
> Nov 07 17:59:23 debian NetworkManager[766]:  [1604771963.2764] 
> manager: kernel firmware directory '/lib/firmware' changed 
> ~

So it seems the appropriate firmware is ucode11.fw and it cannot be loaded 
albeit being in /lib/firmware/b43.

I suppose the main problem is that you use a live medium and for whatever 
reason this prevents loading the firmware. I do not know if it  is due to a 
different filesystem (squashfs?), permissions on the /lib/firmware/b43 
directory, or the system expecting the firmwares in a different directory on a 
live system, or... etc...
  
I am afraid I do not have the necessary knowledge to further help you.
What I can symply suggest is either:
- use a USB wireless dongle instead of your integrated wireless card. If you 
use an unofficial Debian Live medium including firmwares, your USB wireless 
dongle will be recognized straight away, given there is a driver in the Linux 
kernel.
- delve into the docs of the Debian Live universe ( 
https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/ ) and create a tailored Debian 
Live medium for your needs, including the firmware for your Broadcom wireless 
card

I fear there is no easier way because all Linux based systems will have by 
default the same lack of firmwares due to Broadcom policy and I do not think 
you will find a *BSD based live medium able to deal with your integrated 
wireless card (I may be wrong)

Re: turn off receiving email

[황병희]

Dear Michael,

"Michael Morgan"  writes:

> ... not to receive email? 

Use Gmane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmane

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Re: turn off receiving email

[tomas]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 09:44:45AM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote:
>  writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 02:13:39AM -0600, Michael Morgan wrote:
> >> Dear friend,
> >> 
> >>  
> >> 
> >> A simple and silly question: how to subscribe to this mail list and set up
> >> not to receive email? I only found a digest option when subscribing. 
> >
> > Hmmm. What advantage do you expect from being subscribed without receiving
> > mails?
> 
> 1. reading by WWW

You can do this, anyway...

> 2. reading by mail->usenet gateway (as I do)

...and this, too.

My point was: you can post to the list although you're not
subscribed. So you don't need to subscribe at all if you don't
want to receive the mails.

But see Andrei's mail on "whitelist": it seems that being
subscribed reduces your probability of being categorized as
spam.

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Re: turn off receiving email

[Kamil Jońca]

 writes:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 02:13:39AM -0600, Michael Morgan wrote:
>> Dear friend,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A simple and silly question: how to subscribe to this mail list and set up
>> not to receive email? I only found a digest option when subscribing. 
>
> Hmmm. What advantage do you expect from being subscribed without receiving
> mails?

1. reading by WWW
2. reading by mail->usenet gateway (as I do)

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Re: turn off receiving email

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 nov 20, 09:38:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:34:41AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Mi, 11 nov 20, 02:13:39, Michael Morgan wrote:
> > > 
> > > A simple and silly question: how to subscribe to this mail list and set up
> > > not to receive email? I only found a digest option when subscribing. 
> > 
> > As already mentioned, you can post (to all Debian lists) without being 
> > subscribed.
> > 
> > You might want to subscribe to the 'whitelist' mailing list though.
> 
> Didn't know about this one -- thanks for teaching me something :)
> 
> (although I definitely prefer reading mails in my MUA. Browser
> mail reading is to me something like Dante's Hell).

One can use another address to receive list mails ;)


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Re: Local shared storage configuration

[Kamil Jońca]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

> On Mi, 11 nov 20, 08:44:18, Kamil Jońca wrote:
>> Andrei POPESCU  writes:
>> 
>> > On Ma, 03 nov 20, 17:34:48, Joe wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Those of us who use NTFS do so deliberately to provide compatibility
>> >> with Windows. It's not that long ago that Linux NTFS support was a bit
>> >> flaky, so we don't do it solely by our own choice. 
>> >
>> > One use case that is significantly easier with NTFS is setting up a 
>> > shared local storage for several users on the same system.
>> 
>> Why not for example exFat? (This is not a rant, I have no such
>> requirements so far and I am just curious)
>
> What would be the benefits of exFAT over NTFS (on Linux).

exfat is simpler,
exfat has kernel driver

Am I wrong?
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Re: turn off receiving email

[tomas]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:34:41AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 11 nov 20, 02:13:39, Michael Morgan wrote:
> > 
> > A simple and silly question: how to subscribe to this mail list and set up
> > not to receive email? I only found a digest option when subscribing. 
> 
> As already mentioned, you can post (to all Debian lists) without being 
> subscribed.
> 
> You might want to subscribe to the 'whitelist' mailing list though.

Didn't know about this one -- thanks for teaching me something :)

(although I definitely prefer reading mails in my MUA. Browser
mail reading is to me something like Dante's Hell).

Cheers
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Re: turn off receiving email

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 nov 20, 02:13:39, Michael Morgan wrote:
> 
> A simple and silly question: how to subscribe to this mail list and set up
> not to receive email? I only found a digest option when subscribing. 

As already mentioned, you can post (to all Debian lists) without being 
subscribed.

You might want to subscribe to the 'whitelist' mailing list though.

https://lists.debian.org/whitelist

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Re: Building my own packages

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 nov 20, 12:27:48, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> deloptes wrote:
> > 
> > > The problem is I don't need a ton of information :-) I need to hear from
> > > someone who has already done that for themselves: "I use such and such
> > > tools, and publish my repo this way..."
> > 
> > Well, I use debuild to build and reprepro to maintain a local repository of
> > former KDE3 now called TDE.
> 
> I've already tried reprepro and it seems to do its job well in publishing
> the packages I feed to it. Now it's building time.
> 
> > I do not build automatically but from time to time I pull changes and build
> > the packages. Because there are dependencies it depends which package
> > changes this affects other packages. For that reason I created a Makefile
> > (actually few of them that complement each other).
> > You have to rebuild all dependencies if you rebuild one package. You simply
> > can not just build and replace a package in production environment without
> > testing it, making a backup or whatever.
> 
> There lies the point which I don't completely understand yet. If I want
> to build a php or exim4 package with my own build options, to what
> extent should I also build their dependencies?

You only need to build their dependencies if you make changes to them.

> And how do I name those
> packages so that they coexist with the default Debian ones?

Any change in the package name would do.

> OTOH, sometimes I would want my package (e.g. tcpdump with my patch) to
> override Debian's one.

In this case you make your package have a higher version. For most cases 
it is sufficient to change the package version to something like (using 
current tcpdump from buster as example):

4.9.3-1~deb10u1+patched

(use whatever you like after the +)

This way APT will prioritise your package until a ~deb10u2 (e.g. in case 
of a security update) is published. You could use that as a trigger for 
your build system to reapply your patch and publish the updated package 
in your own repository.

> > I guess the answer to your question is that there is no such out of the box
> > tool, but you need something specific to your setup.
> 
> Pity. I wonder what those people and companies use who publish their own
> repos/products for Debian (Hashicorp, PostgreSQL, Zabbix etc).

The use case is significantly different as all those upstreams are 
typically publishing packages for several distros.
 
> I hoped to download Debian's source packages (already including all
> Debian-specific stuff) and just rebuild them with minimal
> changes/patches.

That's quite easy to do with (from memory, it's been a while since I did 
this):

apt source 

apt build-dep 

# apply patch, change version, etc.

dpkg-buildpackage 

dpkg -i 


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Re: turn off receiving email

[tomas]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 02:13:39AM -0600, Michael Morgan wrote:
> Dear friend,
> 
>  
> 
> A simple and silly question: how to subscribe to this mail list and set up
> not to receive email? I only found a digest option when subscribing. 

Hmmm. What advantage do you expect from being subscribed without receiving
mails?

Note that you are allowed to post without being a subscriber.

Cheers
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Re: Building my own packages

[tomas]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 12:27:48PM +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> deloptes wrote:

[...]

> > You have to rebuild all dependencies if you rebuild one package. You simply
> > can not just build and replace a package in production environment without
> > testing it, making a backup or whatever.
> 
> There lies the point which I don't completely understand yet. If I want
> to build a php or exim4 package with my own build options, to what
> extent should I also build their dependencies? And how do I name those
> packages so that they coexist with the default Debian ones?

I think deloptes went a bit overboard with this.

I'd say... it depends. If you're building a package targeted at a
specific distro suite and just change the log level, for example,
you'd be wasting your time. If, OTOH, what you're changing is some
compiler option which affects the ABI towards a library, you won't
be well advised to use the distro's binary package for said
lib. You gota re-build that dependency, no?

Between those two (extreme) examples lies our real world, full of
shades and facets, which makes our lives "interesting".

In short, you gotta know what you're doing.

If you are sitting on top of a huge heap of manure and haven't
got the time to understad, then, yes, you have to follow the
path outlined by deloptes.

I tend to leave environments of that kind sooner latter than
later: they not only treat their computers like cattle, they
tend to treat their people that way, too.

Cheers
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turn off receiving email

[Michael Morgan]

Dear friend,

 

A simple and silly question: how to subscribe to this mail list and set up
not to receive email? I only found a digest option when subscribing. 

 

Thank you very much.

 

Michael

Re: Building my own packages

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 nov 20, 12:15:07, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> 
> It's strange that there is nothing (or I have not found yet) as
> intuitive and working mostly OOTB like FreeBSD's poudriere.

I'm guessing Debian is primarily addressing users who are happy with 
getting the packages pre-compiled for them.

Those who do a lot of package building are probably better served by 
Gentoo or Arch.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Local shared storage configuration

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 nov 20, 08:44:18, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU  writes:
> 
> > On Ma, 03 nov 20, 17:34:48, Joe wrote:
> >> 
> >> Those of us who use NTFS do so deliberately to provide compatibility
> >> with Windows. It's not that long ago that Linux NTFS support was a bit
> >> flaky, so we don't do it solely by our own choice. 
> >
> > One use case that is significantly easier with NTFS is setting up a 
> > shared local storage for several users on the same system.
> 
> Why not for example exFat? (This is not a rant, I have no such
> requirements so far and I am just curious)

What would be the benefits of exFAT over NTFS (on Linux).

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Andrei
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Re: Local shared storage configuration

[Kamil Jońca]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

> On Ma, 03 nov 20, 17:34:48, Joe wrote:
>> 
>> Those of us who use NTFS do so deliberately to provide compatibility
>> with Windows. It's not that long ago that Linux NTFS support was a bit
>> flaky, so we don't do it solely by our own choice. 
>
> One use case that is significantly easier with NTFS is setting up a 
> shared local storage for several users on the same system.

Why not for example exFat? (This is not a rant, I have no such
requirements so far and I am just curious)

KJ


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