Re: uhacking my device

[Ceppo]

In general, to remove a package you can use

sudo apt purge 

in the terminal. To give you further help we need more details, first of all
what you mean by "your open source", and also what you tried so far and any
error message you received.
Cheers,


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Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[hlyg]

Thank to all that reply!

i know little about debian development

i have only vague understanding of beta

uhacking my device

[Tony Zancho]

someone installed i=your open source on my devices with out my approval how
do i get rid of them or off my devices!!

Re: Nvidia 390 driver no longer available for Bookworm; nouveau constantly freezes. Solutions?

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 17.08.2023 20:48, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote:


Hello, all,

(Please cc me when replying, I'm not subscribed to the mailing list)

I have (according do lspci) a NVIDIA Corporation GK208B [GeForce GT 
710] (rev a1) graphics card. The correct proprietary driver for this 
card seems to be the Nvidia 390 series.


When Bookworm came out, I was running Bullseye with this driver and 
never really had any graphical issues that I can remember. Upon 
upgrading to Bullseye, I eventually found out this driver was no 
longer available and I was stuck with nouveau. I was recommended the 
tesla 470 driver during the upgrade, but I never got it to work.


According to Nvidia's official website GT 710 is supported up to 470 
version. [1]
I've never tried to install "tesla" flavor of nvidia-driver, so I can't 
suggest anything about it.
When I needed a specific version I always build a simple backport [2] 
from "testing" repo, so I'd try to do the same for a 470.199.02 version, 
which is now available from "oldstable-proposed-updates" repo.
You can also try the official package from Nvidia website, at least to 
test if 470 version works and solves your issue with freezing.


The nouveau driver would be fine, since I don't do anything 
graphics-intensive like gaming and I get the bonus of being able to 
run Wayland, which is cool. Except that I started noticing constant 
freezes for no apparent reason. They usually take a few hours to 
happen, sometimes I can spend a day or maybe two without freezes, but 
they _keep happening_. I'm gonna spare you of the details of the 
effort I spent trying to investigate this problem, but what I found 
out is:


  * It happens in any of the kernels I have installed: 6.1, 6.0, 5.11, 4.9
  * It happens in Plasma, and it doesn't matter if I'm running X11 or
Wayland
  * It _seems_ not to happen under GNOME Wayland, but I think it
happens under GNOME X11
  * It appears to be related with screen sharing, because:
  o When I was using Plasma, I had the impression that the
graphics froze way more often when I was sharing my screen
  o Screen sharing doesn't work on GNOME Wayland (maybe related to
why it didn't freeze yet)
  o The one time where I tried to use GNOME X11, it froze
immediately after I tried to share my screen
  * The kernel logs seem to indicate some missing firmware right
before the graphics card freezes (and indeed some firmware is missing)

I had issues very similar to your description. Even made a bug report 
[3] about it.
I don't have any instability or "freezing" issues with recent kernel and 
driver versions, but I've also disabled hardware acceleration for my 
browser as a workaround and haven't actually checked if the issue is gone.
Somehow it was all tied to video hardware acceleration and DE 
Compositor, which I kept disabled. I was able to repro the issue quite 
reliably, back then.
I've thought this workaround was better than downgrading driver version 
to 416 and stick to it forever.
Now I've upgraded system to Bookworm, and use 525.105.17 version, 
delaying update to an up-to-date version from stable, and haven't seen 
"Xid" errors or "freezes" for many months, Compositor is enabled, games 
and movies play without any issues.


Screen sharing is essential for me to work, so this is really not a 
great situation to be in. For comparison, my laptop, which was also 
updated to Bookworm in the same day I updated this PC, had none of the 
problems I'm describing here, since it has an integrated intel 
graphics card.


I appreciate that Nvidia cards can be very problematic and that the 
one card I own is really old, but I didn't have this problem until 
updating and I know this card can work just fine with the right 
driver. Unfortunately, right now, nouveau is not adequate for me to 
work, but the driver that does work is not officially available. What 
should I do?


  * Should I try updating to a newer kernel to see if nouveau got fixed?

I haven't checked, but I think nouveau didn't had a commit in years. It 
is an abandon-ware for me.



  * Should I try installing the missing firmware?


I'd try that, at least to see if it solves the issue.
Keep in mind, non-free firmware was separated to another repo in 
Bookworm. [4]



[1] https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/205995/en-us/
[2] https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
[3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1016542
[4] https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

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Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Javier Barroso]

El jue., 17 ago. 2023 23:34, Javier Barroso 
escribió:

>
>
> El jue., 17 ago. 2023 22:49, Ash Joubert  escribió:
>
>> Happy Birthday Debian!
>>
>> My open source journey started with Slackware in 1995, then Red Hat from
>> 1996, and then Fedora. I first encountered Debian at a new job in 2007,
>> and switched my desktop to Debian/sid in 2012. I installed my current
>> Debian/sid desktop in April 2017 and it has been rolling ever since,
>> which I consider an extraordinary achievement. Well done Debian!
>>
>
> Using debían sid without reinstalling from 2004
>

Sorry I hit send button before saying ...

Debían Rocks!

Happy birthday!

>

Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Javier Barroso]

El jue., 17 ago. 2023 22:49, Ash Joubert  escribió:

> Happy Birthday Debian!
>
> My open source journey started with Slackware in 1995, then Red Hat from
> 1996, and then Fedora. I first encountered Debian at a new job in 2007,
> and switched my desktop to Debian/sid in 2012. I installed my current
> Debian/sid desktop in April 2017 and it has been rolling ever since,
> which I consider an extraordinary achievement. Well done Debian!
>

Using debían sid without reinstalling from 2004

>

Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Ash Joubert]

Happy Birthday Debian!

My open source journey started with Slackware in 1995, then Red Hat from 
1996, and then Fedora. I first encountered Debian at a new job in 2007, 
and switched my desktop to Debian/sid in 2012. I installed my current 
Debian/sid desktop in April 2017 and it has been rolling ever since, 
which I consider an extraordinary achievement. Well done Debian!


Thank you everyone who keeps Debian going.

Kind regards,

--
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Director / Game Developer
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Roger Price]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023, Luna Jernberg wrote:


Happy Birthday 30 years of the Debian Linux Project


I consider Debian to be a major intellectual achievement,  Collective, but still 
a major achievement.


My first Linux ran on an IBM PS/2 L40 SX laptop with a monochrome display.  I 
had to recompile part of the kernel to get the 640x480 display to work.  That 
took over 3 hours on that machine.  An excellent keyboard.


I tried Redhat and SuSE, but finally moved to Debian and never looked back.

Happy Birthday Debian !

Roger

Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[songbird]

 wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 11:32:49AM +, Andy Smith wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 06:14:16PM +0800, hlyg wrote:
>> > it seems that x.1 are really stable while x are beta release
>> 
>> That is not by design, but by largely unavoidable consequence, and
>> so a Debian stable release is not considered a "beta" ion any
>> respect.
>
> I think that the best correspondence to the "beta" idea in Debian
> is the freeze process (explained here [1] for buster). So x.0 is
> considered "release quality".
>
> The freeze process is designed to cope with the specialties of a
> big and complex software distribution, where you want its many
> interdependent parts to "settle" in "layers", starting from the
> most fundamental ones and propagating to the "leaves".
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] https://release.debian.org/bookworm/freeze_policy.html

  sometimes it may be more like fermenting before it 
settles.  :)

  i appreciate everything that people do for Debian from
the development to the testing to the refinements and even
to the sometimes long drawn out discussions about how to
do something or how to fix things or make them better.

  and then those who help the rest of us out and keep us
somewhat on the straight and narrow pathway towards 
nerdvanna.


  songbird

Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[songbird]

Luna Jernberg wrote:
> Happy Birthday 30 years of the Debian Linux Project
...

  and congrats on surviving and persisting through all 
that can happen.  :)


  songbird

Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 07:32:10PM +0200, Martin Petersen wrote:
> happy birthday Debian !
> 
> and thanks to all you contributors and nice people in this community.
> 
> i chose debian as a noob after my first experiments w. suse around '98/'99
> and never looked back.  best os on the planet and simply my digital home.

Same here. Before SuSE it was SLS. But Debian's the best <3

Cheers
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Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Martin Petersen]

happy birthday Debian !

and thanks to all you contributors and nice people in this community.

i chose debian as a noob after my first experiments w. suse around 
'98/'99 and never looked back.  best os on the planet and simply my 
digital home.


a cheerful toast to this wonderful creation. the whole is indeed greater 
than the sum of it parts.


rip ian <3

On 2023-08-16  13:31, Luna Jernberg wrote:

Happy Birthday 30 years of the Debian Linux Project

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/08/happy-debian-day-going-30-years-strong/
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay/2023
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHistory?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Debian-announcement-1993-pic-by-Ian_Murdock.png

Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2023 17 Aug 05:15 -0500, hlyg wrote:
> Thank  Andrew, Michael and Joe!
> 
> it seems that x.1 are really stable while x are beta release

And .2, .3, etc. are even more stable by that metric.  Best to wait for
12.7 or later then.  In the mean time the rest of us have work to do
with the updated tools.

Sometimes even the first point release will catch us unawares as with
gnome-keyring-daemon crashes/restarts not long after logging into GNOME
on this desktop system.  So far this only affects one system of mine
running Bookworm and not the other.  It could be a glitch of my making
but I'm unaware of anything I did to cause the keyring applet problems
where it was working without issue on Bullseye and Buster previously.

If Bullseye is working for you, then you may want to wait until such
time as it will no longer receive security updates.  Unlike other
systems, Debian doesn't force anyone to upgrade.

- Nate

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Nvidia 390 driver no longer available for Bookworm; nouveau constantly freezes. Solutions?

[Luiz Romário Santana Rios]

Hello, all,

(Please cc me when replying, I'm not subscribed to the mailing list)

I have (according do lspci) a NVIDIA Corporation GK208B [GeForce GT 710] 
(rev a1) graphics card. The correct proprietary driver for this card 
seems to be the Nvidia 390 series.


When Bookworm came out, I was running Bullseye with this driver and 
never really had any graphical issues that I can remember. Upon 
upgrading to Bullseye, I eventually found out this driver was no longer 
available and I was stuck with nouveau. I was recommended the tesla 470 
driver during the upgrade, but I never got it to work.


The nouveau driver would be fine, since I don't do anything 
graphics-intensive like gaming and I get the bonus of being able to run 
Wayland, which is cool. Except that I started noticing constant freezes 
for no apparent reason. They usually take a few hours to happen, 
sometimes I can spend a day or maybe two without freezes, but they _keep 
happening_. I'm gonna spare you of the details of the effort I spent 
trying to investigate this problem, but what I found out is:


 * It happens in any of the kernels I have installed: 6.1, 6.0, 5.11, 4.9
 * It happens in Plasma, and it doesn't matter if I'm running X11 or
   Wayland
 * It _seems_ not to happen under GNOME Wayland, but I think it happens
   under GNOME X11
 * It appears to be related with screen sharing, because:
 o When I was using Plasma, I had the impression that the graphics
   froze way more often when I was sharing my screen
 o Screen sharing doesn't work on GNOME Wayland (maybe related to
   why it didn't freeze yet)
 o The one time where I tried to use GNOME X11, it froze
   immediately after I tried to share my screen
 * The kernel logs seem to indicate some missing firmware right before
   the graphics card freezes (and indeed some firmware is missing)

Screen sharing is essential for me to work, so this is really not a 
great situation to be in. For comparison, my laptop, which was also 
updated to Bookworm in the same day I updated this PC, had none of the 
problems I'm describing here, since it has an integrated intel graphics 
card.


I appreciate that Nvidia cards can be very problematic and that the one 
card I own is really old, but I didn't have this problem until updating 
and I know this card can work just fine with the right driver. 
Unfortunately, right now, nouveau is not adequate for me to work, but 
the driver that does work is not officially available. What should I do?


 * Should I try updating to a newer kernel to see if nouveau got fixed?
 * What it I try installing the 390 driver from Bullseye in my Bookworm
   installation? Would that cause any problems?
 * Should I try installing the missing firmware?
 * Any other ideas?

Thank you for the help!

Re: problem with sway package

[marathon]

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 08:56:51PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
> 
> On 16/08/2023 13:19, K S R PHANI BHUSHAN wrote:
> > i have tried installing sway package in debian bookworm but it was not
> > displaying any thing and also the terminal was getting stuck in the
> > login page it self when i tried to run sway in the default terminal. i
> > have tried this in virtual machine several time still the issues remians
> > same , please try to look into this and i have to say that i am trying
> > to install sway package in my custom debian - bookworm
> 
> How are you launching sway? Typically sway and display managers (gdm, kdm
> etc) don't work very well together. So the usual way to launch it is to stop
> your display manager, log in on a virtual console and run "sway".

Not the OP: Actually those display managers work good with SWAY. Doesn't one 
need them in order to launch services the desktop might need? I'm using GDM3 
with sway. It gives me better results then running sway from a console, 
without a display manager.

> Additionally, you should let the list know what display hardware you have
> and, perhaps, what your sway config looks like.
> 

Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 11:32:49AM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 06:14:16PM +0800, hlyg wrote:
> > it seems that x.1 are really stable while x are beta release
> 
> That is not by design, but by largely unavoidable consequence, and
> so a Debian stable release is not considered a "beta" ion any
> respect.

I think that the best correspondence to the "beta" idea in Debian
is the freeze process (explained here [1] for buster). So x.0 is
considered "release quality".

The freeze process is designed to cope with the specialties of a
big and complex software distribution, where you want its many
interdependent parts to "settle" in "layers", starting from the
most fundamental ones and propagating to the "leaves".

Cheers

[1] https://release.debian.org/bookworm/freeze_policy.html
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Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 06:14:16PM +0800, hlyg wrote:
> it seems that x.1 are really stable while x are beta release

That is not by design, but by largely unavoidable consequence, and
so a Debian stable release is not considered a "beta" ion any
respect.

There will never be as diverse a user base for a testing release as
there will be for a stable release. Some people have for this reason
chosen to wait for "first update" of software releases as long as
there has been software, far previous to the existence of Debian.

Obviously you can't just not release it as you will still never get
the desired amount of testing, nor know what that desired level
actually is (an unknown unknown).

There's more information here:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 18:14:16 +0800
hlyg  wrote:

Hello hlyg,

>it seems that x.1 are really stable while x are beta release

Little could be further from the truth.  By the time an X.0 release is
issued, much work has already been done; *including* beta releases.

That's not to say X.0 releases are never flawed.  There can sometimes
be issues.

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Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[Michael Kjörling]

On 17 Aug 2023 18:14 +0800, from hlyg2...@outlook.com (hlyg):
> it seems that x.1 are really stable while x are beta release

I would not characterize Debian x.0 as "beta".

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Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[hlyg]

Thank  Andrew, Michael and Joe!

it seems that x.1 are really stable while x are beta release

Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[Michael Kjörling]

On 17 Aug 2023 06:13 +, from amaca...@einval.com (Andrew M.A. Cater):
> There are some people who will never ever use a dot-0 release. It's quite
> safe to do this in Debian as it will hve had about two years of testing
> prior to release.

Right. I personally opted to wait for 12.1 before upgrading, for a
slew of reasons, and I still have some systems left to upgrade. It's
not like 11.x would drop off the face of the Earth just because 12.0
was out.

Also, as Mike Castle already did, it's more meaningful in this case to
compare the time between various recent-ish x.0 to the corresponding
x.1; and in that comparison, 12.0 to 12.1 doesn't particularly stand
out either way.

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