Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

[tomas]

On Fri, Mar 01, 2024 at 01:42:07AM +, Gareth Evans wrote:
> I have somehow only just discovered that Gmail, Apple and Yahoo are 
> introducing, or have recently introduced, DMARC requirements for senders.
> 
> See for exmaple
> https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/email-and-cloud-threats/google-and-yahoo-set-new-email-authentication-requirements
> 
> Can anyone recommend good mailing lists or other resources for people who 
> look after email servers/services?  It takes up little of my work, but an 
> area of interest.

Me too :)

ISTR that there was a mention of such a thing here in debian-user@,
but my search-fu hasn't been up to the challenge of finding it.

OTOH, my memory could be playing games on me.

Cheers
-- 
t


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

Troll or not? [was: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm]

[tomas]

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 01:59:19PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:58:13 + (UTC)
> Anastasia Broch  wrote:
> 
> > Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> > RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC,
> > …
> > 
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> Apparently some people haven't noticed that this is a near duplicate of
> this recent email on the list:
> 
> From: Mansour Nasri 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Problem of suspend activities ( debian 12 )
> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:38:05 +0100
> 
> The main difference, as far as I can see, it the sender's email
> address. Troll? Who knows? Who cares? I suggest you ignore this thread.

I don't really think so. The post itself actually makes sense.
Perhaps their provider is throwing away the responses (or hiding
them in the spam box, which nearly amounts to the same). Big mail
providers are like that these days.

When the OP doesn't think of double-checking (e.g. by looking into
the Web archives), they'll assume their mail hasn't made it. Resending
seems like a valid option.

But then... who knows. Perhaps it's a startup training their so-called
"AI". But then I might be. Or you.

My take: not troll. Bad mail provider.

Cheers
-- 
t


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

Re: debian-devel wishlist "bugs"

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 12:22 AM Gareth Evans  wrote:
>
> I'm subscribed to debian-devel for entertainment purposes and see regular 
> wishlist "bug" reports, eg.
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/02/msg00321.html
>
> Can anyone advise of the appropriate way for non-developers to 
> request/suggest inclusion of packages?

Open a bug report against the wnpp package. See
 and .

> Freenginx doesn't seem to be in testing but might be a worthwhile addition.



Jeff

Re: debian-devel wishlist "bugs"

[Gareth Evans]

> On 1 Mar 2024, at 02:29, John Hasler  wrote:
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/RFP
> --
> John Hasler
> j...@sugarbit.com
> Elmwood, WI USA

Excellent thanks
G

Re: GTK applications displaying emojis in monochrome rather than color

[Ash Joubert]

On 2024-03-01 04:19, Celejar wrote:

About two years ago [0], I installed the package
"fonts-noto-color-emoji" on my Sid (Xfce4) system, and from then until
several weeks ago, emojis have been displayed throughout the system in
glorious color. Recently (several weeks ago?), however, a number of
applications have started displaying emojis in (unattractive)
monochrome.


This is caused by a fontconfig upgrade. My workaround was to delete 
/etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf (as root) and run "fc-cache -f" (as 
user):

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/02/msg00765.html

See the reply from Floris Renaud for the bug report link.

Cheers,

--
Ash Joubert (they/them) 
Director / Game Developer
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: debian-devel wishlist "bugs"

[John Hasler]

https://wiki.debian.org/RFP
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Fix for missing gsettings desktop schemas on unstable

[Ash Joubert]

On 2024-03-01 06:16, Florent Rougon wrote:

Ash Joubert  wrote:

A workaround that worked for me was to reinstall
gsettings-desktop-schemas:

Same problem here and your workaround does help (before it, I couldn't
even get Firefox to display a “File Open” dialog without crashing).
Thanks a lot!


You are welcome. There is a bug report with much discussion:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1065022

Cheers,

--
Ash Joubert (they/them) 
Director / Game Developer
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

debian-devel wishlist "bugs"

[Gareth Evans]

I'm subscribed to debian-devel for entertainment purposes and see regular 
wishlist "bug" reports, eg.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/02/msg00321.html

Can anyone advise of the appropriate way for non-developers to request/suggest 
inclusion of packages?

Freenginx doesn't seem to be in testing but might be a worthwhile addition.

https://freenginx.org/

Thanks,
Gareth

{OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

[Gareth Evans]

I have somehow only just discovered that Gmail, Apple and Yahoo are 
introducing, or have recently introduced, DMARC requirements for senders.

See for exmaple
https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/email-and-cloud-threats/google-and-yahoo-set-new-email-authentication-requirements

Can anyone recommend good mailing lists or other resources for people who look 
after email servers/services?  It takes up little of my work, but an area of 
interest.

I half expected to be able to find mailing lists for postmasters run by the big 
email service providers, but ddg was bare.

Gmail's blog looks more marketingy than anything, but potentially useful
https://blog.google/products/gmail/

I am subscribed to mailop (though don't read it as often as I should!) but from 
a mail search there doesn't seem to have been anything there about this 
recently.

Many thanks,
Gareth

Mailing list FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20240201)

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users,
and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics.

Codes of Conduct


* The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both
  the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct
  https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
  https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
  
Guidelines for this list

Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work:

Language


* The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing
  lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or
  debian-user-catalan

* It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example,
  from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when
  English is not their primary language. Please be considerate.

Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively
==

* This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some
  time for an answer - please be patient.

* Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time.
  It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided.
  
* It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list.
  
* Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers
  a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get
  the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information.

* Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not
  welcome here. 

* Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here
  either.

  Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your
  views or need to read them on a Debian list.
  
Editing and answering mailing list posts


* It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject
  or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
  accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. 

  For example: New question [WAS Old topic]

* It may also be useful for someone to post a summary email from time to
  time to explain long threads.
  
* Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes
  and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy.

* Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to
  read and follow than long threads.

* If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and 
  cut out extra text that is not relevant to your point.

Private replies and responding to posts off-list


* Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private
  conversations don't benefit people who may only be following
  along on the list or reading the archives later.

* We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list
  to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you
  haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community and the
  people you find on the list may become familiar friends
  
  BUT

* Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists 
  can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak
  personal information by posting a private reply back to the list.

  If you *do* want to post outside the list - make it clear that you have done
  so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you
  think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it to the list
  - do not just do so on their behalf without checking.

I can't see what I want here - help me!
===

* It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue
  you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone
  else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month.

* Although there are only 20 or 30 regular contributors, there may
  be a couple of thousand readers in the background. Nobody is
  a mind reader, nobody can sit beside you. Please help by providing
  useful details if asked, especially which version of Debian you are
  running.
  
I'm not using Debian but ...


* Strictly, discussions of other distributions are off-topic here.
  Please note: advice on Linux distributions other than Debian will be
  only our best guess - other distributions may do things very differently.
  Any advice given accordingly may be inaccurate but is given in good faith.

FAQ topics
==

* There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this
  list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

This is a public list, archived in many places
===

Re: GTK applications displaying emojis in monochrome rather than color

[Floris Renaud]

On donderdag 29 februari 2024 16:19:57 (+01:00), Celejar wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> About two years ago [0], I installed the package
> "fonts-noto-color-emoji" on my Sid (Xfce4) system, and from then until
> several weeks ago, emojis have been displayed throughout the system in
> glorious color. Recently (several weeks ago?), however, a number of
> applications have started displaying emojis in (unattractive)
> monochrome. The applications that I have seen doing this have all been
> GTK based (Sylpheed, Geany, Gedit); Firefox and Chromium seem to be
> correctly using color.
> 
> Can anyone help me figure out what changed and how to diagnose and fix
> the problem? I have spent a while searching the web, and I can't find a
> simple and straightforward way to deal with this. Font configuration on
> Linux seems to be an extraordinarily complicated and poorly documented
> mess.
> 
> [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/11/msg00619.html
> 

I had the same problem. This is a known bug in fontconfig:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1064267#10

Re: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[Charles Curley]

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:58:13 + (UTC)
Anastasia Broch  wrote:

> Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC,
> …
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

Apparently some people haven't noticed that this is a near duplicate of
this recent email on the list:

From: Mansour Nasri 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Problem of suspend activities ( debian 12 )
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:38:05 +0100

The main difference, as far as I can see, it the sender's email
address. Troll? Who knows? Who cares? I suggest you ignore this thread.


-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[hw]

On Thu, 2024-02-29 at 19:58 +, Anastasia Broch wrote:
> Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this
> PC,  When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up
> anymore until forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns
> on suspend mode, ( fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC
> dell i7 10th I never had this kind of issue, but this it it's the
> case, please help to resolve this problem I really don't want to
> back to windows anymore. Thank you so much 

How do you do try to wake it up?  Could you be pressing the wrong
button?

Does suspend to disk work?

> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

Please disable the SPAM addon.

Re: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[Joe]

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:58:13 + (UTC)
Anastasia Broch  wrote:

> Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC,
> When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up anymore
> until forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns on
> suspend mode, ( fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC dell
> i7 10th I never had this kind of issue, but this it it's the case,
> please help to resolve this problem I really don't want to back to
> windows anymore. Thank you so much 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

You've had a couple of suggestions. Did neither of them work?

Have you found anything in the logs at the time of the attempted
wake-up?

-- 
Joe

Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[Anastasia Broch]

Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with RTX 3050 and 
I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC, 
When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up anymore until 
forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns on suspend mode, ( 
fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC dell i7 10th I never had this 
kind of issue, but this it it's the case, please help to resolve this problem I 
really don't want to back to windows anymore. Thank you so much 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

Re: Problem of suspend activities ( debian 12 )

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 06:41:42AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:38:05 +0100
> Mansour Nasri  wrote:
> 
> > Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> > RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC,
> > When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up anymore
> > until forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns on
> > suspend mode, ( fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC dell
> > i7 10th I never had this kind of issue, but this it it's the case,
> > please help to resolve this problem I really don't want to back to
> > windows anymore. Thank you so much
> 
> You might look at installing the backports kernel.
> 

You have a machine which has an Nvidia card in it - does it also have
Intel graphics as well?

If so, you may need to look at how to install ??Prime/bumblebee??

In order to do this, you may need to reinstall / fully disable the nouveau
driver and then continue.

If you choose to install the proprietary Nvidia drivers - these taint the 
kernel and so you may have issues with secure boot and enrolling keys.

See also https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater
(amaca...@debian.org)
> -- 
> Does anybody read signatures any more?
> 
> https://charlescurley.com
> https://charlescurley.com/blog/
> 

test of a gnuplot bug visible with Pango 1.52 (Debian/unstable)

[Vincent Lefevre]

Hi,

Since the upgrade of the Pango library to 1.52 in Debian/unstable, I'm
seeing an annoying bug in gnuplot with the wxt terminal. The issue can
be reproduced with the following command:

  echo 'set terminal wxt; plot x' | gnuplot -persist

A window appears, but it is not drawn and it cannot be deleted by
gnuplot. One can destroy it, but the gnuplot process is still running
(in background).

I can observe this bug with the FVWM window manager, with both
manual placement and immediate placement (manual placement can
make the problem worse). I don't think that this is a bug in
Pango: the commit that introduces the change of behavior does
some optimization in threading, which probably makes Pango a bit
faster, which triggers a race condition (note that conversely,
if I use ssh, even "ssh localhost", this makes the problem
disappear).

Details in my bug reports:
  https://sourceforge.net/p/gnuplot/bugs/2693/
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1064982

Can anyone else reproduce this issue, in particular with other
window managers?

-- 
Vincent Lefèvre  - Web: 
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: Fix for missing gsettings desktop schemas on unstable

[Florent Rougon]

Hi,

Ash Joubert  wrote:

> There is a huge transition underway on unstable to migrate to 64-bit time_t.
> After upgrading to the new libglib2.0-0t64, nothing could find gsettings
> desktop schemas, breaking applications like rednotebook and reportbug (lol),
> and after a reboot, stopping services like at-spi from starting, causing huge
> timeouts at system and application start.
>
> A workaround that worked for me was to reinstall
> gsettings-desktop-schemas:

Same problem here and your workaround does help (before it, I couldn't
even get Firefox to display a “File Open” dialog without crashing).
Thanks a lot!

Regards

-- 
Florent

GTK applications displaying emojis in monochrome rather than color

[Celejar]

Hi,

About two years ago [0], I installed the package
"fonts-noto-color-emoji" on my Sid (Xfce4) system, and from then until
several weeks ago, emojis have been displayed throughout the system in
glorious color. Recently (several weeks ago?), however, a number of
applications have started displaying emojis in (unattractive)
monochrome. The applications that I have seen doing this have all been
GTK based (Sylpheed, Geany, Gedit); Firefox and Chromium seem to be
correctly using color.

Can anyone help me figure out what changed and how to diagnose and fix
the problem? I have spent a while searching the web, and I can't find a
simple and straightforward way to deal with this. Font configuration on
Linux seems to be an extraordinarily complicated and poorly documented
mess.

[0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/11/msg00619.html

-- 
Celejar (not currently subscried to the list)

Re: where are the crontab files in Trixie?

[Max Nikulin]

On 29/02/2024 11:32, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 28 Feb 2024 at 22:32:57 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote:

On 28/02/2024 10:35, David Wright wrote:

In which case, I'd write the remaining cron line as:

@reboot sleep 99 && echo 13b1 0bdc > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/brcmfmac/new_id


I am in doubts if it is a task for cron. Wouldn't udev rules be better?


Those are fair questions. If the appearance of the brcmfmac/ directory
is the sole precondition, then I would probably try udev. But I claim
no knowledge about the module or any device connected with it.


The /sys/bus/usb/drivers/brcmfmac directory should appear when the 
module is loaded. Likely there is no point to load the module if the 
device is not plugged, thus udev should be better than /etc/modprobe.d.



Where cron/sleep is useful is where some device has to settle, or
wait in some way, before the string is sent. One example I use is:

   @reboot sleep 15 && printf '\n' > /dev/tty1 && /usr/sbin/rfkill > /dev/tty1 && 
/usr/bin/ip a > /dev/tty1


I would consider a systemd single-shot service that runs after 
network.target. Instead of "sleep" I would try either nm-online or 
systemd-networkd-wait-online with timeout. I admit, in some cases they 
have no advantages over sleep.

Re: Problem of suspend activities ( debian 12 )

[Charles Curley]

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:38:05 +0100
Mansour Nasri  wrote:

> Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC,
> When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up anymore
> until forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns on
> suspend mode, ( fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC dell
> i7 10th I never had this kind of issue, but this it it's the case,
> please help to resolve this problem I really don't want to back to
> windows anymore. Thank you so much

You might look at installing the backports kernel.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Problem of suspend activities ( debian 12 )

[Mansour Nasri]

Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with RTX 3050
and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC,
When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up anymore until
forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns on suspend mode, (
fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC dell i7 10th I never had
this kind of issue, but this it it's the case, please help to resolve this
problem I really don't want to back to windows anymore. Thank you so much

RE: How to upgrade the GLIBCXX and GLIBC to the specific version

[Diego Luo （罗国雄）]

Hi, Jeff

Thanks for your reply.
I resolved this issue by upgrading the Raspbian OS from Bullseye to Bookworm.

Best Regards
Diego

-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey Walton  
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:27 PM
To: Diego Luo （罗国雄） 
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to upgrade the GLIBCXX and GLIBC to the specific version

Caution: This email originated outside of Semtech.


On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:52 AM Diego Luo （罗国雄）  wrote:
>
> Would you pls help give tips about how to upgrade the GLIBCXX and GLIBC to 
> the specific version (GLIBCXX_3.4.29, GLIBC_2.34) on Debian?
>
> I am using the Raspberry Pi 4B with the Raspbian OS “Linux raspberrypi 
> 5.15.61-v8+ #1579 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 26 11:16:44 BST 2022 aarch64 
> GNU/Linux”, which is Debian based OS.
>
> When running a SW I met the problem missing the required versions of GLIBCXX 
> and GLIBC, with the details below.
>
> root@raspberrypi:/home/bitmap_overlap/linux-aarch64# 
> ./blueriver_bitmap_streamer
>
> ./blueriver_bitmap_streamer: /lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: 
> version `GLIBCXX_3.4.29' not found (required by 
> ./blueriver_bitmap_streamer)
>
> ./blueriver_bitmap_streamer: /lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version 
> `GLIBC_2.32' not found (required by ./blueriver_bitmap_streamer)
>
> ./blueriver_bitmap_streamer: /lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version 
> `GLIBC_2.33' not found (required by ./blueriver_bitmap_streamer)
>
> ./blueriver_bitmap_streamer: /lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version 
> `GLIBC_2.34' not found (required by ./blueriver_bitmap_streamer)
>
> root@raspberrypi:/home/bitmap_overlap/linux-aarch64#

Another option is to rebuild blueriver_bitmap_streamer. Before the build, rip 
out that useless symbol versioning. All that symbol versioning does is to cause 
a DoS and frustrate users.

You can find the ASM directives to rip out the versioning by grepping for 
'.symver'. It will be in an ASM block.

Jeff

To view our privacy policy, including the types of personal information we 
collect, process and share, and the rights and options you have in this 
respect, see www.semtech.com/legal.