Exim startup timeout
Hi there: Recently I installed a sid system on my laptop and am using exim4 as it's MTA. However when I boot my notebook and when the system wants to start the MTA, when I am not connected to the net, it takes nearly 2 minutes or so to do it. When I am connected to the net, the MTA is started instantly. I guess it's either a DNS or a DHCP timeout, ( I guess it is a DNS timeout, cause my system doesn't use DHCP anyway). How can I lessen (or disable) this timeout? Many times, I boot my system without being connected to the net, I don't want my system to sit for two minutes doing nothing. I don't want to remove exim4 form my init scripts, I want it always to start, I just don't want this ridiculous timeout. Cheers -- /* It is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. People can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. -- Herman Göring, Nürnberg Trials */ Aryan Ameri
Exim4 frozen messages
Hi there: I recently installed a sid system from scratch, and am in the process of setting it up and using it as my main desktop system. The default MTA comming with sid is Exim4, and I am having difficulty setting it up. I have exim4 running and working on my Libranet/Sarge system with no problem, but the same confiuration doesn't work for sid. My needs are simple, my mail client (kmail) gets my messages from my POP3 account directly, and then when I am sending a message, kmail passes the messgae to exim which in turn sends the message. This configuration has worked for so long for me, and I don't know why I can't get it working this time. Basically, when I send a message, kmail passes it to exim, but exim doesn't send it. mailq shows that the message is frozen. I read the exim man page and it seems that exim automatically freezes messages that it seems are spam (am I right?). Well, I don't know why exim thinks that my messages are spam. I installed exim4 via apt-get from the sid repository, and setup /etc/ mail-addresses and then faced this problem. Then I copied the configuration file of my working exim4 installation to the sid machine, still, I face the same problem. Here is my /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf file # /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf # # Edit this file and /etc/mailname by hand and execute update-exim4.conf # yourself or use 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' dc_eximconfig_configtype='internet' dc_other_hostnames='' dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1' dc_readhost='' dc_relay_domains='' dc_minimaldns='false' dc_relay_nets='' dc_smarthost='' dc_never_users='never_users = root' CFILEMODE='644' Cheers and thanks for help -- /* It is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. People can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism -- Herman Göring, Nürnberg Trials */ Aryan Ameri
apt-get dist-upgarde error: can't perform configuration on initscript
Hi, I downloaded the weekly debian Sid CDs produced by fsn.hu and added those 14 CDs to my sources.list using apt-cdrom. Then I proceded to upgrade my woody/ Sarge/Sid mixture to Sid. Everything seemed to work fine, I resolved a couple of problems with 'apt-get -f install' and then issued the 'apt-get dist-upgrade' command, it asked me to put the first CD in the drive, I did, everything seemed to go fine; but then I received the following error: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on initscripts I Googled a bit and followed the instructions on http://www.lugod.org/ mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2003-06/msg00339.html which means I installed a couple of libdb3 and libpam packages using dpkg -i. But my problem wasn't solved and I couldn't find any more meaningful reference using Google. Anyone has a idea on what I am doing wrong, and how can I upgrade my system to Sid? Cheers -- Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sarge release date
Hi there: Does anyone have any idea when Debian Sarge will be released as stable? I know, it will be released when it's ready, but I am setting up a schedule here for my tasks, and even if I could have an approximate date of it's release, it would help alot. Cheers -- Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Speeding apt by multiple connections
Hi there: In this university that I am studying in, I have access to a pretty fast internet connection. However when I use a normal download manager like a browser's download manager or apt-get, which use a single connection to fetch the files, my download rates are pretty slow, at most 5 KBps. But I usually use axel, and order it to use 30 to 40 connections to fetch a file ( axel -n 30 ) and with this download manager I am usualy able to speed up my downloads up to 100 or 150 KBps. (Huge difference, you see). So far so good. But I download most of my needed programs using apt-get, and I haven't found a way to make apt use multiple connections (as in axel). Is it possible to make apt use multiple connections? Or does anyone have an alternative idea about how I might be able to speed-up my downloads from apt-getable sources? Cheers -- Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unacceptable HDD performance
Hi there:
I am running a ThinkPad A31 (1 year old) notebook with 256 MB of RAM,
and a 1.8 Ghz Pentium-M processor. While this is by no means a cutting
edge system, it is still nevertheless an acceptable system.
However the system is really under-performing, and it is completely
apparent to me that the bottleneck is the HDD. Put it this way, it
seems my internet connection is faster than my hard disk because
whenever I start downloading 600 KBps or more, the hard disk light
just remains on (which means it is under heavy load) and at that point
my system becomes useless until I stop one of the connections and
downgrade my speed. Also, I can't seem to burn CDs with more than 3x
speed, because again the bottleneck seems to be the HDD.
I have heard now and again, that notebook HDDs are slow, but this
particular model was a high-end model last year, and I made sure that
it uses the best HDD available in the market. I can't believe that it
is THIS slow.
Before complaining to IBM about a faulty HDD, I just want to ask if
there is anything I can do to boost HDDs performance; via software. I
have never run any other OS on this machine (I run sid) so I want to
make sure that this under-performance isn't related to the OS.
Precisely, I am asking to see if there are any softwares, or tricks,
which can boost the performance of the hard disk.
Cheers
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Re: [OT] C programming, variable size array
On Friday 12 December 2003 22:38, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 14:04, Wesley J Landaker wrote:
> > On Friday 12 December 2003 11:38 am, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> > > Hi There:
> > Hmmm... sounds a lot like a homework problem... =)
>
> Yes, it does... :)
See, this is what I was afraid of. I have some question in my mind, and
yes it is related to my studies, but it is not a homework. I can't
locate my instructor for two days, cause she is ill or something. Since
google and reading archive doesn't reveal anything, I say, well give it
s shot, and post a OT to debian users. And I indicate that, for god's
sake, this is nota homework.
And then everyone is like, hey, this is a troll ! this is homework, ...
People just don't believe each other these days, do they?
To the person who suggested the linked-list thing to me. Thanks very
much. I don't know what they are yet, but it seems something really
interesting. I'll go back to my cave now, to study them.
Cheers everyone, and don't be so pessimist when someone asks a
programming question. It might indeed not be his homwork.
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Re: [OT] C programming, variable size array
On Friday 12 December 2003 22:04, Wesley J Landaker wrote:
> On Friday 12 December 2003 11:38 am, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> > #include
> >
> > main()
> > {
> > int tmp, cnt = 0;
> > static int arr[cnt];
> > printf( "Enter Number\n");
> > scanf( "%d", &tmp);
> > while ( (tmp = getchar() ) != EOF ) {
> > arr[cnt] = tmp;
> > cnt += 1;
> > static int arr[cnt];
> > printf( "Enter Number\n");
> > scanf( "%d", &tmp);
> > }
> >
> > return 0;
> > }
>
> There are a number of problems with this code, but here is a biggie:
> you are declaring 'arr' as static; this means that the storage for
> 'arr' has to be initialized during compilation, which in this case is
> of course impossible, since 'cnt' is dynamic. Of course, just getting
> rid of the 'static' isn't going to make this work either.
>
> If you want a dynamically sized array in C, you'll need to allocate
> it using malloc() and friends ('man malloc' for more info). It's not
> efficient, but you could 'realloc()' the memory every time.
>
> Something like this would work if you fill in some of the blanks:
>
> int main() {
> int *array = malloc(sizeof(int));
> int size = 0;
> printf("Enter Number\n");
> while (/*not EOF*/) {
> size += sizeof(int);
> array = realloc(array, size);
> scanf("%d", &array[size/sizeof(int)-1]);
> }
> }
About initializing the array as static, well I thought that way, when I
reinitialize it, I would be able to save it's contents (if you know
what I mean). I was afraid that if it was a automatic array, when I
re-initialize it, it's contents would be gone.
Well, apparently I was wrong. Yes, I just studied pointers, but I didn't
know of malloc and realoc functoins. The man pages are now putting me
in the right direction.
> It would be better to allocate memory in chunks, or better yet, do
> something like read the numbers into a linked-list and then copy them
> to an array when you're ready to use them that way, or to use C++ and
> use the class, or something like that.
About initializing the array as static, well I thought that way, when I
reinitialize it, I would be able to save it's contents (if you know
what I mean). I was afraid that if it was a automatic array, when I
re-initialize it, it's contents would be gone.
Well, apparently I was wrong. Yes, I just studied pointers, but I didn't
know of malloc and realoc functoins. The man pages are now putting me
in the right direction. Thanks for helping.
I should also go and see what is a linked-list :-D
And no, it was not a homework. Our instructor wouldn't have given this
to us, while we haven't learned malloc and realoc yet. It was just
something that I was curius about.
Thanks very much for the tips.
Cheers
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[OT] C programming, variable size array
Hi There:
I am a first year CS student, learning C. A while ago I was asked this
question from a fellow friend of mine:
"Write a program, which promts the uset to enter some numbers. The user
should terminate the sequence of numbers by entering EOF character. The
program should put numbers entered by the user in to a 1D array".
Which seems pretty simple in first glance, but has one problem. When
initializing the array, I don't know it's size (and I don't want to ask
the user to enter it's size). The first soloution that came to my mind
was to initialize the array to a very big number. However this is not
elegant programming, and is a waste of memory. My second soloution was,
to initialize the array inside the loop, so that it enlarges it's size
continously each time the user inputs a number. I wrote the following
code:
#include
main()
{
int tmp, cnt = 0;
static int arr[cnt];
printf( "Enter Number\n");
scanf( "%d", &tmp);
while ( (tmp = getchar() ) != EOF ) {
arr[cnt] = tmp;
cnt += 1;
static int arr[cnt];
printf( "Enter Number\n");
scanf( "%d", &tmp);
}
return 0;
}
This sounded logical to me. But the compiler (gcc 3.2) gives me a syntax
error saying that 'storage size of 'arr' isn't constant'. Well, I don't
want it to be constant!
I was wondering if any of you could help me solve this question. This is
not yet-another-student-asking-for-help-to-do-homework. This is a
problem for me, which has made me busy for a couple of days, and
googling and greping /usr/include and other basic methods didn't reveal
anything to me.
PS: Now that I am on the subject, can anyone point me to a active C
mailing list? one that I can ask these kind of question from, as they
come up? preferrably with a tendency towards Unix/Linux. (mailing lists
please, not newsgroups).
Cheers
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Creating VCD from AVI
Hi there:
I have some AVI files here, which are riped from my DVDs using acidrip
(a frontend to mencoder). Now I want to write to a CD as a VCD, so that
they don't took space on my hard.
My googling shows that there are a couple of tools I should use.
mjpegtools, vcdimager, cdrdao etc. However I don't quite get the
picture that want: How can I build a VCD. What is the process of making
a VCD, from a AVI file.
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Problem Installing exim
Hi there: I am running a mixture of sarge/sid and am trying to install exim. apt-get install exim seems to fetch and install it OK, but it is not able to set it up, I receive the following error message: # apt-get install exim Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: exim 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1019 not upgraded. Need to get 756kB of archives. After unpacking 1434kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main exim 3.36-8 [756kB] Fetched 756kB in 19s (38.1kB/s) Selecting previously deselected package exim. (Reading database ... 167326 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking exim (from .../archives/exim_3.36-8_i386.deb) ... Setting up exim (3.36-8) ... hostname: Unknown host hostname --fqdn gave non-zero exit code 256 dpkg: error processing exim (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: exim E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) *** dpkg --configure exim also gave me the same error message. I don't have access to any SMTP server right now (don't ask how I am sending this!) and so I need this MTA in order to send my mails, help is aapreciated. Please CC me as I am temporarily not on the list. Cheers Aryan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Good GNU/Linux book for translation
Hi there: I am looking for a good introductory-to-intermediate Linux book, to translate to Farsi. Currently in Iran I don't see a single good book about GNU/Linux available in the market, so I am looking to fill this gap. I am not looking for a "Linux for Dumbs" or "Linux for Newbies" thing, but I also don't want "Linux device drivers for kernel 2.4" either. What I am looking for, is a complete, comprehensive guide for using Linux in all it's aspects. It should cover normal things that a user will face in his daily life like internet browsing, mail, usenet, sound, navigating files and directores, X windows, etc) and it should also cover adminstration issues like installation, maintanance, networking etc. And also basic Unix and Linux commands. I also would like it to be as distro independent as possible. Any suggestions anyone? -- /* "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."*/ --President Eisenhower Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine: Photoshop?
On Tuesday 15 July 2003 05:35, Louie Miranda wrote: > Hello, > > Im looking for people that actually tested adobe photoshop to run > under wine. Is this possible? > Have anyone done this before? Code Weavers Cross Over Office 2.0 Fully supports Photoshop. Though it is proprietary software. Cheers -- /* God is dead. Darwin and Mendel jumped him in an alley and beat him to death. --Doom Ihl' Varia */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD processor compatibility
On Sunday 29 June 2003 22:29, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 10:13, Carl Fink wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 04:40:15PM -0500, bbarrett74 wrote: > > > I have compaq presario with AMD 1.2Ghz processor. Is it > > > compatible with Debian? Thank you for your attention to this > > > matter. > > > > This was already answered on Usenet, correctly. > > So, what's Usenet? Where do we find it? Where do we read about it? Usenet == Newsgroup http://groups.google.com Cheers -- /* This sig has been ROT26 encrypted. Reading it is unlawful under the terms of the DMCA.*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on notebooks
On Thursday 26 June 2003 22:30, GARGIULO Eduardo GESI wrote:
> Hi all
>
> is there a list for debian on notebooks or is this list
> the right place to post questions regarding debian configuration
> on laptops/notebooks ?
>
> TIA
>
> -ejg
This list is is OK, because it is about Debian on
notebooks/desktops/servers/etc But there is also a debian-laptop
mailing list, dealing especially with notebooks.
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Re: [OT]: Linux poll at Novell
On Thursday 26 June 2003 21:52, Gary Hennigan wrote: > I don't normally pay attention to things like online linux > distribution polls. They're hardly scientific and so mean little. But > I've seen some folks crowing about how Gentoo is smashing the > competition because of the results of this poll and so I thought I'd > bring the existence of the poll to the attention of Debian folks > here. > > The poll is here: > > <http://www.novell.com/linux/> Gentoo just got forked. The guy who is managing the fork, Zachary Welch is talking about the reasons why he and a bunch of other Gentoo developers are doing this fork take a look at http://www.zynot.org/info/fork.html The picture that this guy is drawing, from gentoo developers and it's atmosphere isn't good at all. it seems the guy who founded Gentoo, Daniel Robbins, nearly controlls everything, and many of the decisions are made without consulting the community. as an example he talks about Gentoo Games initiative. One thing which I could never figure about Gentoo is that although they have a social contract http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml which is based and similar to Debian Free Software Guidlines, but they also heavily work on things like Unreal Tourtoment and encourage and advertise using them. How is that possible? Cheers -- /* "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." --Robert Anton Wilson*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I have a problem with this list
On Thursday 26 June 2003 23:22, Paul E Condon wrote: > I think that it used to be that when I posted to this > list, my message would be returned to me from the server at > the time that it was sent out to everyone else on the list. > Now that is not happening. Now, when I post, I see nothing > on the list, but my message is showing up in the archives. > Which is the correct behavior of the list? > > I would like to see my message show up. The message in my > inbox is a nice anchor for collecting replies. But if policy > is to not echo the message, what is recommended as a way to > collect in one place the replies to a request for advice? > > Sorry for the several test messages. I had a question about > exim that I posted, and from my vantage point, it never > showed up on the list (and I never got replies). I thought > maybe I had messed up my email config while poking at the > exim issue. Now I know that I'm simply not getting an echo > of my message, but why? Wierd problem. My messages always show up. Everybody else I guess also does. It is a problem with you MTA I guess. -- /* "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." --Robert Anton Wilson*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian lilo won't boot Redhat
On Friday 27 June 2003 03:57, Ross Boylan wrote: > I got a system with Red Hat 9 preinstalled, booting with lilo. After > making some space, I installed Debian (testing) on it. I thought it > would be good to preserve the ability to boot into RH, so I mounted > its partitions under /red in linux, and modified its lilo.conf to use > these new paths. (That is, I created /etc/lilo.conf under Debian > based on the lilo conf from RH). > > Surprisingly, I find I'm unable to start RH doing this. I get > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to the kernel > (it is already getting that option). I have the same problem with booting Mandrake 9.1 using Debian Lilo. I can boot other distros OK (like slack) but I get the same kernel panic message when booting mandrake 9.1 I don't have RedHat, so I can't verify that, but it seems we have the same problem. Any suggestions anyone? I can post my lilo.conf and fstab if you want Cheers -- /* "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." --Robert Anton Wilson*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: America's Army
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 21:51, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> They already have. Quake3, Unreal, etc. There are tons of > > >> non-free games available. > > > > > >Yes, but I'm saying, more of them. > > > > Specially, more variety. Why do they port mainly FPSs? Many people > > don't like FPS's that much, and would like to play *Crafts > > natively, or Vice City, or The > > There's a free warcraft game. Freecraft I think. It has it's own > artwork, but can use the warcraft 2 artwork. It's even a Debian > package I think. Funny, that I was talking about FreeCraf on another mailing list at this moment. To sum of the tread in that mailing list, it seems that FreeCraft doesn't exist anymore. It has been wiped from the face of earth. It seems the company which made WarCraft, Blizzard, told the FreeCraft guys that they are infringing it's registered trademark, and the freecraft guys were scared and shut the project down. Disclaimer: I have never used FreeCraft or WarCraft myself. This is what a guy at another mailing list told me. Cheers -- /* "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." --Robert Anton Wilson*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: America's Army
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 23:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Specially, more variety. Why do they port mainly FPSs? Many people > >> don't like FPS's that much, and would like to play *Crafts > >> natively, or Vice City, or The > > > >There's a free warcraft game. Freecraft I think. It has it's own > >artwork, but can use the warcraft 2 artwork. It's even a Debian > >package I think. > > > >Bijan > > There *was* Freecraft. According to this story on Slashdot > http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/21/1323249&mode=thread >&tid=127&tid=186&tid=210 , it has been shut down due to Blizzard's > "cease and desist" order to the project maintainer. > It was a great project, and it's a shame it ended up in this way. > That's what I was referring to when I said that it seems like > Blizzard is coming to Linux... Oh, and their domain > (www.freecraft.org) is for sale as well. I *think* that was their > domain, not sure, though. They had tree domains. freecraft.org freecraft.net and freecraft.com they are all now to be sold. Cheers -- /* "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." --Robert Anton Wilson*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix
On Monday 23 June 2003 21:17, David Fokkema wrote: > Hi group, > > Just tried Knoppix 3.2Beta. I have a Fujitsu-Siemens Liteline laptop > with a 500Mhz AMD-K6-III, 60Mb RAM, trident cyberblade i7/DSTN 4Mb > RAM with 800x600 TFT, 5Gb harddisk and touchpad. Just so you know... > > I'm impressed by the look of it and am pretty sure that it runs fine > on a typical desktop, BUT > > My screen is shifted three pixels right. Under Debian, I can't do > better without using the framebuffer. My mouse doesn't work unless I > specify 'wheelmouse' which results in my mouse pointer flashing over > the screen and clicking when I don't even touch buttons. Never had > this in Debian, unless I just had booted into windows. Hard poweroff > always fixed this, but not with Knoppix. I don't know about your notebook's video card. But I have seen this shoft to right, on systems with a NVidia graphic card. If you have a NVidia card, and that shift really bothers you, then you can use the proprietary nvidia driver, instead of the open source nv driver. Knoppix ships with the later. Cheers -- /* "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." --Robert Anton Wilson*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: America's Army
On Monday 23 June 2003 18:08, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 05:42, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > On Sunday 22 June 2003 23:23, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > I think that the engine to quake2 is available as Free Software > > > (GPL'd I think) and it can load custom maps and such, which are > > > also free. That's much more amazing. A commercial company GPL'd a > > > major game. It's not that surprising that the US army releases a > > > binary only copy of their game for linux. > > > > I don't know why everybody is flaming Bijan. I think his argument > > is valid. > > > > Call me a zealot, or anything you want, but I really care about my > > freedom. Accept is guys, there are people out there, who care about > > We're a bit peeved because of his intolerant "I hate software that > I can't copy and modify" attitude. Should I hate homosexuals because > I am heterosexual? Wrong comparison Ron. Sexual preference is not your choice. The software which you run on your computer is. Cheers -- /* "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." --Robert Anton Wilson*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: America's Army
On Sunday 22 June 2003 23:23, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > Leo Spalteholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On June 22, 2003 10:25 am, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > Is this Free Software? It doesn't seem to be. It's nice that the > > > US army is willing to release violent propaganda for "Linux" > > > systems, but if it's not Free Software then I don't see how this > > > is any better than running quake3 or unreal tournament. > > > > Oh for christs sake, come down from your ivory tower already. > > Its better than running quake3 or UT because unless you're stealing > > those games, you have to pay for them. > > No I've seen gratis (free to download) versions of quake3 out > there. They might have been demos but they let you play online. And I > don't mind paying for software if I am free to copy, modify, etc. it > :) > > > Is that not enough for you? Stop your bitching and complaining and > > appreciate this for what it is, a free, high quality game with good > > linux support. I think its amazing that this even got done. > > > > Damn these free software holier than thou zealots really drive me > > through the roof. Sorry to everyone else for the rant. > > I'm sorry that I offended you by pointing out that this is not > technically Free Software. Debian aims to be a Free operating > system. Now I might run a piece of proprietary software if I really > have no choice (I even use Windows), but I always consider the > alternatives. > > I think that the engine to quake2 is available as Free Software > (GPL'd I think) and it can load custom maps and such, which are also > free. That's much more amazing. A commercial company GPL'd a major > game. It's not that surprising that the US army releases a binary > only copy of their game for linux. I don't know why everybody is flaming Bijan. I think his argument is valid. Call me a zealot, or anything you want, but I really care about my freedom. Accept is guys, there are people out there, who care about free software. There are people, who really do not run anything other than free software. There are people, who really beleive that software should be free (as in freedom) and that it is not right to buy a software, which you don't know how it operates. I actually kind of expected DoD to release the game as Open Source. Back in the old days, DoD didn't have problems sponsoring BSD. They paid the University of Berkely to develope the TCP/IP stack, because they needed this protocol. And the university developed it, and put it into public domain (The BSD license is kind of public domain). That was teh right thing to do, because BSD was developed by tax payer's money, so it was everybody's right to use it, and to modify it. (Even MS benefited from that act). How is it different now? I don't know. Other than the fact that maybe in 70s, most software was published with source code, but it's the opposite now a days. The way I view the situation, DoD needed to to develop this game (for whatever the reason), so they paid someone (or some company) to develop it. Why didn't put the source into public domain? They certainly should have done it. It is exactly like the TCP/IP situation. Clearly, if TCP/IP wasn't Open Source, it wouldn't have had the success that it enjoys today. I mean, you guys have paid your hard earned cash to the government, and that money has been spent to develop this game. It is your right to see how it has been developed, and how it works. It is your right to modify it to suite your needs. Why hasn't the DoD (or who ever developed this game) released under Open Source? What is the advantage of keeping the code secret? Cheers -- /* "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." --Robert Anton Wilson*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT HUMOUR] Conversation between SCO and AIX
Hi there:
Saw this on /. thought it is worth posting to the list.
by Bruj0 (114447) Alter Relationship on Monday June 23, @01:06AM
(#6269314) (http://www.securityportal.com.ar)
Topic in #os: hey guyz, stop pickin on irix.
w00t! i bought unix! im gonna b so rich!
/msg atnt haha. idiot.
whoops. was that out loud?
rotfl
lol
why r u laffin at me?
dude, unix is so 10 years ago. linux is in now.
wtf?
hey guyz, i bought caldera, I have linux now.
haha, your linux sucks.
lol
lol
lol
no wayz, i will sell more linux than u!
your linux sucks, you should look at SuSE
Ja. Wir bilden gutes Linux für IBM.
can we do linux with you?
Ich bin nicht sicher...
*cough*
Gut lassen Sie uns vereinigen.
* SuSE is now SuSE[UL]
* SCO is now caldera[UL]
can we play?
we're bored... we'll go too.
sure!
* turbolinux is now turbolinux[UL]
* conectiva is now conectiva[UL]
redhat: you should join!
Ja! Wir sind vereinigtes Linux. Widerstand ist vergeblich.
haha. no.
lamers.
what about you debian?
we'll discuss it and let you know in 5 years.
no one wants my linux!
i got owned.
u all tricked me. linux is lame.
* caldera[UL] is now known as SCO
i'm going back to unix.
yeah! want to do unix with me?
haha. no. lamer.
lol
snap!
:~(
hey, u shut up. im gonna sue u ibm.
wtf?
yea, you stole all the good stuff from unix.
lol
heraus laut lachen
lol
shutup. i'm gonna email all your friends and tell them you suck.
go ahead. baby.
andandand... i revoke your unix! how do you like that?
oh no, you didn't. AIX is forever.
actually, we still own unix, you can't do that.
wtf? we bought it from u.
whoops. our bad.
i own u. haha
ibm: give me all your AIX now!
whatever. lamer.
* ibm sets mode +b [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* SCO has been kicked from #os (own this.
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Re: debian
On Friday 20 June 2003 20:32, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> I run Debian on several Architectures. Red Hat and SuSe run on them
> too. I think the only architecture that Debian supports but almost no
> one else does is the 68k.
Wrong. They only run on AMD64, IA-64 and IA-32. SuSE supports PPC.
RedHat doesn't support PPC, and non of them support Sparc or MIPS or
[insert favorite architecture here].
> For one architecture that I use in particular (Sparc) we don't even
> need hardware detection. There's about 2 sound cards, 2 network
> cards, a few scsi cards, and almost all are either included in the
> kernel or easy enough to figure out.
>
> However I have sometimes done 20+ installs of Debian on i[3456]86 PCs
> and have used Knoppix because it saves me LOTS of time.
Well, Libranet, Lindows (Argh!!) Xandros and Knoppix are all Debian
based. I have tried all of them (except Lindows) and they are all
serving a popuse. It is good to have them, I especially like Libranet
and Knoppix.
Now that the discussion is so much about Knoppix, let me tell you that a
while back I tried a distro called CollegeLinux which was based on
Slack but used Knoppix's auto detection. Cool !
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Re: debian
On Friday 20 June 2003 20:57, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > There's no reason to get sarcastic. > > I run Debian on sparc and other architectures. Debian on each > architecture is slightly different. For example on sparc there are > images to boot off the network. I don't know if there are similar > images for i386, but they would be useless anyways. This isn't a > reason not to have them. > > As I said in another message, on sparc there is barely any hardware > (2 sound cards, 2-3 network cards, some scsi cards) and most of it > just works because it is included in the kernel. On i386 there's a > gazillion different pieces of hardware. > > I don't see how adding hardware detection to i386 hurts any of the > other architectures. Agreed, having hardware auto detection doesn't hurt (although it will furthre complicate the installer), but developing a program that runs on all these platforms is no easy task. > P.S. Red Hat and Suse support other architectures too. I don't like > Red Hat, and I certainly don't like Suse, but I mention it to show > that hardware detection is compatible with portability. Only AMD64, IA-32 and IA-64. Compare it to 13 (or so) architects that woody runs on. Also, Debian has the ability to use 4 kernels (NetBSD, FreeBSD, Hurd and Linux) while SuSE and RedHat are Linux-Only. > Just my two cents, Same here Cheers -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian
On Friday 20 June 2003 21:16, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
on that people who are only concerened with x86 and
> > want hardware auto detection, do not use Libranet?
>
> They may not know about Libranet (also is it Free Software?)
It is Free as in Freedom, but not free as in price. Well, with a full
refund policy, it might even be considered free as in price.
> They could use knoppix also (sadly Knoppix includes the non-free
> adobe pdf reader...).
I have remastered Knoppix 3.1, upgraded some of it's components like KDE
to 3.1, removed some non-free software (mpg123 and acroread) and made
Farsi ( We translated KDE ourselves to Farsi) in KDE, the default
language of Knoppix. Then changed some backgound images, and some icons
and added a readme, and renamed the whole thing to "Shabdix".
Because of your name, I think you are also Iranian so I thought you
might be interested in a Farsi Knoppix without acroread ! :-)
Cheers
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Re: debian
On Friday 20 June 2003 07:08, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 21:50, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > I have been using Debian for about 18 months now. > > I like it and prefer it to other dristos I have tried. > > > > Today I had to install Redhat 9 on a system. > > It detected everything. A totally good experience installing this > > os. > > > > I'm not saying I will be moving from Debian to redhat, but I do > > wish Debian would address the install procedure. > > > > Clearly it is possible to have comprehensive hardware detection, so > > presumably somewhere someoene is choosing not to address this > > issue. > > > > What is the reason debian does not install like other OSs ? > > Try Knoppix it is based on Debian and does all that detection. > > There's no good reason why Debian doesn't. Oh, really? Please come back, when you have a working KNOPPIX running on MIPS or Sparc, and then we will talk. -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian
On Friday 20 June 2003 05:17, Yap Seng Hooi wrote: > I agree, I like Debian too. I've installed Mandrake few months ago > and installation was a breeze compared to Debian. Oh yeah, Mandrake's installer is really excelletnt. I installed 9.1 a while back, and the partitoner (DrakX) really messend all my hard drive. It seems those guys at mandrake have not yet learned that there is something called gemotry in disks, and their partitioning tool, does not align the partition in a logical order, in a nutshell it ruins your hard disk. If you want to align your partitions , you have to wipe your hard disk. The result is that tools such as GNU Parted which are picky about aligned partitiones now do not work with my hard disk, and thus for example I have been unable to install Libranet. I would rather have something which is powerfull, and works(TM) rather that something which looks nice, but doesn't work, and ruins your data. Debian is a perfect example of the first one. Just my $0.02 -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian
On Friday 20 June 2003 04:50, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > I have been using Debian for about 18 months now. > I like it and prefer it to other dristos I have tried. > > Today I had to install Redhat 9 on a system. > It detected everything. A totally good experience installing this > os. > > I'm not saying I will be moving from Debian to redhat, but I do wish > Debian would address the install procedure. > > Clearly it is possible to have comprehensive hardware detection, so > presumably somewhere someoene is choosing not to address this issue. > > What is the reason debian does not install like other OSs ? What is the reason that this same question should come up in this mailing lists every 2 weeks? What is the reason that you couldn't take a look at the archive of this mailing, to find interesting treads related to it that would have answered your question? What is the reason that people (like you) do not underestand that Debian supports way more hardware architectures than RedHat does, and that detecting hardware on all these architects, and developing an installer wich runs on all of them, is not an easy job? (Hell, RedHat even does not support PPC or Sparc). What is the reason that people do not underestand that debian developers are working on a new installer, and that it would perhaps have better hardware detection? What is the reason that people who are only concerened with x86 and want hardware auto detection, do not use Libranet? What is the reason that you don't underestand that Debian is free software project, so if you are unhappy with something, you can get invlved and help it ? Someone mentioned a while back, that if you think installing Debian GNU/Linux is difficult, then try installing Debian GNU/Hurd ;-) Cheers -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Audio CD questions
On Thursday 19 June 2003 16:42, Gabriel Meier wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 01:46:40AM +0200, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > > > Could someone point me in the right direction here? Also, what > > > does everyone recommed for a preferred storage format (wav, mp3, > > > ogg)? > > > > If you care about quality, wav. > > > > If you also care about storage space, compress it with flac > > (free *lossless* audio codec). > > > > If you care about storage space more than quality, ogg. > > Incorrect! You will not be able to hear the difference between ogg at > 128 or even at 96 and wav. Try it out. I usually use ogg at 96. it is > same quality as mp3 at 128, but with smaller files. The quality of > wave is technically best, listening to it, you will not notice that. Incorrect! ;-) I am able to say the difference between ogg 96 and ogg 128. Not to mention the difference between ogg and wav. (ofcourse as someone else mentioned, you need high quality speakers or headphones to be able to do so. With a $20 speaker, mp3 64 and wav probably do not sound that different. face it guys, ogg and mp3 are both lossy codecs. Between ogg and mp3, ogg is both more compressed and has got better quaility. Cheers -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Audio CD questions
On Wednesday 18 June 2003 11:50, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:41:23AM +0300, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > If you care about patents, or if you never intend to listen to > > these files anywhere other than your computer, go with ogg. if not, > > mp3 is the only viable soloution. > > Why does everybody say this? Pretty much everything out there can > play ogg, major exception being Windows Media Player (surprise, > surprise), and even it can play it with a plugin. > > The Sharp SL-5500 Linux based PDA can play Ogg Vorbis. > > The Neuros MP3 player can play Ogg Vorbis as well. ($229 and up, > http://www.neurosaudio.com/) > > There's probably others, but that's what I found in a 30 second > Google session... Are there portable ogg players available in the market? You bet ! But major ones, do not play it. Creative Nomad (which I have) doesn't play it. Same with Apple iPod. Same with the Sony media Juke box that I have (It plays Audio CD, Video CD, and mp3). Same with nearly 90% of the devices out there. Beleive me, I can easily find URL of portable audio manufacturers that can not play ogg. As much as I would like to see ogg succeed, I think it would never make heavy inroads into the market. It will always perhaps remain something like PNG, a niche for nerds. To the OP, didn't I warn you that asking about favorite file format is a good way to start a flame war? ;-) Cheers -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Audio CD questions
On Wednesday 18 June 2003 02:46, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > Greetings list, > > Today, for the first time, I popped an audio CD in my laptop with the > intention of listening to it (the CD player portion of my stero broke > during my last move). I was very unhappy when gnome-cd and xmms both > choked on it. It's an older CD so I can't imagine it is DRM'd, but > nonetheless I would still like to play it (and a few others) on my > computer. I did an apt-get cdda2wav and messed around with that some > until I managed to get some tracks on the harddrive where I could > play them with xmms, but I have a couple of problems. 1) I would like > a GUI-type tool to facilitate putting the audio on my harddrive and > 2) I can't figure out how to tell cdda2wav to make each track into a > separate file when I try to grab the entire disc. > > Could someone point me in the right direction here? Also, what does > everyone recommed for a preferred storage format (wav, mp3, ogg)? I use Grip. It is damn so good, and always works without a hitch. I use it as a frontend for cdparanoia (for riping) and lame (for encoding). About file format, you probably didn't know this, but askin such a question is a very good way to start a flame ;-) Anyway, in my ideal world, I should use ogg, since it has better compression than mp3, and is also patent free. But I'm not living in my ideal world. So when it comes to reality, I use mp3, because that it the only thing which you are guaranteed to have on all devices. e.g No portable audio player, or car audio player, can play ogg files. If you care about patents, or if you never intend to listen to these files anywhere other than your computer, go with ogg. if not, mp3 is the only viable soloution. About your problems, I guess Grip's simple interface should solve them. Just make sure that you have appropriate permissions to use underlying programs. Cheers -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: open office compatibility
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 20:30, ian wrote: > Is Open Office v1.0.3.1 compatible with woody (kern. ver. 2.4.18)? What do you mean, by application being compatible with a specific kernel? drivers might need kernel compatibility, but applications do not care about the kernel version. I have seen OOo work on 2.2, 2.4, and 2.5 kernel. It will probably also work on 2.0 if anyone is interested in doing such a thing. Cheers -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT]What is Dynix
Hi there: in the article: http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1017719.html they mention Dynix: "Specifically, Sontag said IBM moved technology to Linux from AIX and another version of Unix called Dynix that IBM acquired when it bought Sequent. " I have been trying really hard, to learn as much as possible about different Unix variants, but to date, I have never heard of a Unix called Dynix. Can anyone tell me what kind of OS it is/was ? Cheers -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beginning Linux Programming
On Monday 16 June 2003 00:40, Tinus Kotzé wrote:
> Hi
> I am looking for a tutorial for linux programming. I have thorough
> experience in Delphi and quite a bit in Java. I would like to start
> programming for Linux in C. I am looking to start with KDevelop as
> IDE. My problem is I don't know much about "configure".
>
> Can somebody advise a tutorial for the make/configure part? The
> programming C part I already have covered.
Take a look at http://students.emu.edu.tr/029918/documents.html#linux
This is exactly what you are looking for. beginning guide to programmin
C in GNU/Linux.
On that page, I have also included some other useful documents for C
programmers, like the Emacs documentation, and sample simple source
code.
Cheers
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Re: OT:Any tips on burning knoppix cdr
On Sunday 15 June 2003 17:24, John Foster wrote:
> I have tried to burn 4 Knoppix cdr's using different programs
> including trying windoze nero with the exact same results.the cd
> burns but does not produce a bootable cd. Their web site seems to
> indicate that if you can sucessfully burn a cd with the
> Knoppi.iso file that it should boot. That has not worked. I was
> wondering if I need to try using the el torrito boot feature plus the
> image.
> BTW these are my first attempts at using Debian SID apps to burn a
> cd. Any tips or experiances would be appreciated. Thanks!
Burning any ISO image (usually) produces a bootable disk. I have burned
KNOPPIX 3.2 using Debian Sid application, w/o problem. Try reading CD
burning HOWTO on tldp
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Re: OT mozilla filter to keep my debian mail list organized
On Friday 13 June 2003 02:05, Vineet Kumar wrote: > * Aryan Ameri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030612 15:01]: > > On Thursday 12 June 2003 19:18, Vineet Kumar wrote: > > > * Aryan Ameri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030612 05:24]: > > > > You should setup your email program, to filter mails, which are > > > > addressed to the followings: > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Heh! Filtering on TO the list address and _my_ address gets > > > 99.99% of this list traffic? Maybe this is a sign I should take > > > a break for a little while! > > > > > > Really, like others have said, you should be using the > > > X-Mailing-List header to sort debian lists. > > > > To troll, or not to troll This is the question. > > I see that you have decided to troll =) > > > When Collin Watson mentioned in a follow-up, that filtering on > > X-Mailing-List is in fact better than filtering on To, I agreed and > > admitted that it seems I have to change my filters. > > > > Thank you for reading all my messages in a tread, before replying > > to them. > > I didn't mean to say that "you" (as in you, Aryan) needed to hear me > say again what you had already heard from Colin. > > I was simply amused to see my email address listed in your filter, so > I posted a remark. I think it would indeed be silly if others > started creating similar filters using my own email address! I didn't realize that this was your email address, untill now. I always thought it was some kind of a debian mail server mirror, or something like that. I am really sorry for not paying enough attention. > Then since I was posting in the thread at all, I just mentioned > X-Mailing-List again. I just feel that FAQs like this would come up > less often in the lists if they were FAQs (frequently-answered > questions) in the archives. In the case that someone ends up > browsing the archives later and sees your post in this branch of this > thread, but maybe not the other posts in another branch, it doesn't > hurt to have the "correct" answer reinforced, especially when there > are other suggestions in the same vicinity. Since we don't often see > "SUMMARY: " posts detailing the answers received and the one deemed > "best", someone searching the archives might find many answers to a > problem and not know which one to try, so I try to highlight the > "correct" answer whenever I post, even when this means reiteration in > the form of "as others have already pointed out, ...". I can see your point here. > So again, I apologize. Please don't take it personally; I meant > "you" in the general sense, and in general, posts to this list are > public and general, aimed at the entire readership consisting of > current active subscribers and future archive-readers, not just the > author of the post to which I'm replying. :-) yes, this is a general rule, that everyone should keep in mind. I really would like to use this opportunity and thank this list, which always pationately and politely points out my mistakes. During my 5 month involvment in this list, I have learned valuable things from you guys. Aside from technical aspects, this list has also helped me improve my communication skills. Thanks -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shell script or Perl?
On Friday 13 June 2003 01:01, John Hasler wrote:
> Aryan Ameri writes:
> > BTW, now that we are here, I wonder about the portability of awk.
> > Is awk available on all major Unices?
>
> AFAIK POSIX requires it.
I'm really not an expert in Unix, and it's standards, but IIRC Windows
NT also passed the POSIX tests, and became POSIX compliant. And AFAIK
NT doesn't have awk or anything equivalent ot it. Or am I missing
something here?
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Re: OT mozilla filter to keep my debian mail list organized
On Thursday 12 June 2003 19:18, Vineet Kumar wrote: > * Aryan Ameri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030612 05:24]: > > On Thursday 12 June 2003 02:22, Jeff Ali wrote: > > > I didn't realize I was joining such a cool and active list so now > > > I must find a way to keep the emails organized. > > > > > > Can someone tell me how to set up a simple filter in mozilla so > > > that all the mail I receive from debian-users list gets put in a > > > folder. I was going to set up the filter based on from or subject > > > but i don't see anything to base it on. Any ideas? > > > > Haven't used Mozilla. But in KMail, I setup a filter based on TO, > > and it pretty much filters 99.99% of the mails, and puts them into > > a specific folder. > > > > You should setup your email program, to filter mails, which are > > addressed to the followings: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Heh! Filtering on TO the list address and _my_ address gets 99.99% > of this list traffic? Maybe this is a sign I should take a break for > a little while! > > Really, like others have said, you should be using the X-Mailing-List > header to sort debian lists. To troll, or not to troll This is the question. When Collin Watson mentioned in a follow-up, that filtering on X-Mailing-List is in fact better than filtering on To, I agreed and admitted that it seems I have to change my filters. Thank you for reading all my messages in a tread, before replying to them. Cheers -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shell script or Perl?
On Thursday 12 June 2003 19:08, John Hasler wrote:
> Matthew Weier O'Phinney writes:
> > One aspect of [Perl] I particularly like is that it is also very
> > portable: I don't have to worry about which shell is available on
> > which system...
>
> On Unix and Linux conservatively-written POSIX sh scripts are more
> portable than Perl.
Well, in depends on portability on what kind of system you are talking
about.
If the intended users of the script are likely to use different Unix
versions, then sh scripting is probably the safe bet. On the other
hand, if you are counting on them, running your script on Windows or
traditional Macintosh, then perl is a safer bet.
BTW, now that we are here, I wonder about the portability of awk. Is awk
available on all major Unices?
Cheers
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Re: OT mozilla filter to keep my debian mail list organized
On Thursday 12 June 2003 15:40, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 02:50:49PM +0300, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > On Thursday 12 June 2003 02:22, Jeff Ali wrote: > > > Can someone tell me how to set up a simple filter in mozilla so > > > that all the mail I receive from debian-users list gets put in a > > > folder. I was going to set up the filter based on from or subject > > > but i don't see anything to base it on. Any ideas? > > > > Haven't used Mozilla. But in KMail, I setup a filter based on TO, > > and it pretty much filters 99.99% of the mails, and puts them into > > a specific folder. > > > > You should setup your email program, to filter mails, which are > > addressed to the followings: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > There are probably others. But these 4 are the most used ones. > > Don't filter on To:/Cc: if you can possibly avoid it; it's > unreliable. Use X-Mailing-List: instead. (If your filtering program > doesn't support filtering on arbitrary headers, complain to its > authors.) Oh, well I didn't know this. Maybe bacause filtering on To:/Cc always worked for me. But I can see why filtering on X-Mailing-List is better. I checked my KMail settings, and it supprorts this mailing list filtering feature. I guess it's time for me to change my filters :-) Cheers -- /* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; - after they've tried everything else. Winston Churchill */ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT mozilla filter to keep my debian mail list organized
On Thursday 12 June 2003 02:22, Jeff Ali wrote:
> I didn't realize I was joining such a cool and active list so now I
> must find a way to keep the emails organized.
>
> Can someone tell me how to set up a simple filter in mozilla so that
> all the mail I receive from debian-users list gets put in a folder.
> I was going to set up the filter based on from or subject but i don't
> see anything to base it on. Any ideas?
Haven't used Mozilla. But in KMail, I setup a filter based on TO, and it
pretty much filters 99.99% of the mails, and puts them into a specific
folder.
You should setup your email program, to filter mails, which are
addressed to the followings:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are probably others. But these 4 are the most used ones.
Cheers
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Re: Good Open Source Web Development software
On Tuesday 10 June 2003 19:18, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:15:13PM +0300, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > On Tuesday 10 June 2003 11:42, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:10:45AM -0400, lists1 wrote: > > > > It works heavily toward w3c standard compliant code (and if you > > > > look at the top 100 sites, I doubt 10% of them are 100% > > > > standards compliant, and if you have 100% standards compliant, > > > > you'll be excluding over 90% of the browser users on the > > > > internet). > > > > > > No you wouldn't, because all the browsers out can decently render > > > a 100% compliant page. I've yet to find a browser that can't. > > > > I'm afraid this is not the case Paul. IE is not always able to > > render fully compliant pages, in a decent way. > > I still agree with Paul. Just because IE isn't able to render CSS > correctly it does not mean that just by using CSS you are excluding > "90% of the browser users on the internet." Paul said, that he is yet to find a browser, which is not able to render 100% compliant pages, in a decent way. I just demonstrated that, this is not the case. However, I didn't mean that by designing 100% compliant pages, you will be excluding 90% of the people. [snip] > 2) Look at *your* traffic. Sure. I maintain a web site which is a web portal for Iranian GNU/Linux users, and free software believers. As one can see from http://www.linuxiran.org/modules.php?name=Statistics only 43% of our viewers use IE. Netstat states that this figure is around 50%. In either case, this is much lower than the 90% thing, which is accpted over the internet. Although, one can argue that the site is a Linux web site, but still, ... > I personally would rather write to the standards instead of changing > things every few weeks as new versions of buggy browsers are > released. You can say that again Cheers -- Aryan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Open Source Web Development software
On Wednesday 11 June 2003 08:11, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > > To sum it up, yes, it is possible to easily design a fully W3C > > compliant web page, which IE is not able to handle correctly. Two > > years ago, I would have ignored this problem, arguing that many > > people are using NS. But, nowadays, how can I convice myself to > > ignore 90% ? > > > So contrary to popular belief, we should not design web pages to be > IE compliant, since they do not meet OPEN standards. Is this > surprising? > > :-) Well, the problem is, the opposite. When designing OPEN standard compliant webpages, which are not IE compatible. When a situation like this happens, you (the web designer) have got tree choices: 1) forget the use of technology (CSS in this case) 2) forget Open Standard compliance 3) forget that the page sucks on 90% of people I myself, chose number 3, because I had to use CSS, and I couldn't ignore W3C compliance. Others, may not do so. Cheers -- Aryan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Open Source Web Development software
On Tuesday 10 June 2003 11:42, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:10:45AM -0400, lists1 wrote: > > It works heavily toward w3c standard compliant code (and if you > > look at the top 100 sites, I doubt 10% of them are 100% standards > > compliant, and if you have 100% standards compliant, you'll be > > excluding over 90% of the browser users on the internet). > > No you wouldn't, because all the browsers out can decently render a > 100% compliant page. I've yet to find a browser that can't. I'm afraid this is not the case Paul. IE is not always able to render fully compliant pages, in a decent way. IE on Windows does not support CSS completely. Even IE 6 does not support CSS 1. About 3 months ago, I asked on this list, about how to develop a good personal web site (something similar to the current tread). I got plenty of usefull advice, and in the end, I decided to heavily use CSS on my web site. Cause it really looks great. The end result is amazing. I didn't know that I could achive so much by using CSS. The problem is, IE does not show the pages, as it should. My site is fully W3C compliant. I have used Tidy on it, and also checked it with validator. So I thought I won't have browser compatibility problems. I was wrong, I later found out, that IE does not fully support CSS, so it is handling my web site in a really bad way. Interestingly, IE 5 for Mac seems to support CSS 1 fully. IE 5 on Mac does a good job of rendering my pages (comparable to khtml and gecko based browsers). IE 5 for Mac OS X also suport PNG transparency, something that IE 6 on Windows lacks. To sum it up, yes, it is possible to easily design a fully W3C compliant web page, which IE is not able to handle correctly. Two years ago, I would have ignored this problem, arguing that many people are using NS. But, nowadays, how can I convice myself to ignore 90% ? Cheers -- /* There's some good left in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for." - Sam Gamgee*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Resizing ReiserFS Partition
On Wednesday 04 June 2003 00:17, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 11:12:32PM +0300, Aryan Ameri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Hi there: > > > > I have a big partition here (8 GB) , which uses the ReiserFS > > filesystem (version 3.6 if I am not mistaking) and is mounted as my > > /home. > > > > I want to split this partition in to two. I want to make my /home > > around 3 GB, and make a new 5 GB partition out of it. currently > > this partition has about 2 GB data in it. > > > > I wonder if such a thing is possible. Can I resize a ReiserFS > > partition, without losing data ? If yes, with what tool ? > > I'd suggest looking at the progsreiserfs and reiserfsprogs packages. > They conflict. Both claim to have resizers. Well, someone also mentioned GNU Parted, but it seems the parted version that comes with woody is old and does not support ReiserFS (the parted website says that it supports ReiserFS). So I installed reiserfsprogs, but I don't know how to use this tool. apt installed it without a problem, but I can't find the executable. How shall I run this tool? Cheers -- /* There's some good left in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for." - Sam Gamgee*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] ergonomic setups
On Friday 06 June 2003 19:27, Nori Heikkinen wrote: > hey debian folk, > > i'd like your opinions/feedback about what kind of ergonomic setups > you use at home and in the office. as i mentioned a couple of days > ago, i've been issued a laptop at work, and i can barely use it for > the wrist strain. i can have a desktop if i want, and i think i'm > going to ask for one ... they're less convenient and less mobile, but > i'd like to keep my wrists. > > do you all use some combination of careful keyboard height/placement, > a good chair, and a good keyboard? is there some other component > that you take into account? i'm interested in whatever you do to > make your work area more ergonomically sound. Well, keyboard is imortant. I'm afraid MS has got some of the best in this part. I have always been comfortable with their keyboards. Although I usually try avoid buying them, because I care about where my money goes. Other than keyboard, the only thing which is IMHO important is not to sit in the same position for a long time. Try walking around the office for a couple of minutes every one hour or so, and try to look to something further than your computer monitor, every 30 minutes or so. As someone else also mentioned, those ergonomic chairs and blah blah are a waste of money. *YOU* are the one responsible for taking care of yourself, the ergonomic chair won't do that. Cheers -- /* There's some good left in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for." - Sam Gamgee*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Missing characters in utf-8 fonts?
On Friday 06 June 2003 10:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 06:01:11PM +0300, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > This means that the font that Mozila and Opera use, do not have > > support for those characters. Most of the fonts (unfortunately) do > > not support many utf-8 charcters. Try using a different Unicode > > font. > > Hmm, I'll look for some. But I think its something else, because > Opera and Mozila use msttfcore fonts... They should be quite > complete... Try using "Arial Unicode MS". The font is 20 MB or something like that, and I haven't been able to find it on the internet lately (after microsoft discontinued their fontd download service), but I use it myself, and it is the most complete Unicode font I have founnd todate. If you have a a windoze box available, you can get it from there. Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Missing characters in utf-8 fonts?
On Thursday 05 June 2003 14:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I've a problem: when viewing a html page encoded in utf-8 with Czech > characters, Opera and Mozilla can't show some of the national > characters. For example see: http://www.sweb.cz/pmody/fonty/snap.png > > I see this behavior for example on Google and one news server. > (mobil.cz) > > Anyone can help? This means that the font that Mozila and Opera use, do not have support for those characters. Most of the fonts (unfortunately) do not support many utf-8 charcters. Try using a different Unicode font. -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian x Redhat
> On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 14:20, Bruno Diniz de Paula wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > first of all, I'm not definetely willing to start a war here > > (although I think I have already). :-) I'm a very satisfied and > > enthusiastic Debian user, but I would like to hear from you guys > > the essential pros and cons of each of the distributions. I'm > > asking because for me the best thing about Debian (besides others) > > is the package manager system. Now I've heard RedHat 9 has > > something that resembles apt, which would put down this advantage > > of Debian. So, what do you think? RedHat does not have apt. apt was ported to support RPM long ago by Connectiva. Now, you can manualy go and install apt on major RPM based distros, like RedHat, SuSE and Mandrake. But, apt-rpm (as it is called) does not enjoy the advantages that it enjoys in Debian. I used apt-rpm when I had a RedHat 7.3 box, and it was completely useless. Because the repositories are so small (again, because the original company does not support it), that it is useless. Only a hanfull of applications, can work with apt-rpm. -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resizing ReiserFS Partition
Hi there: I have a big partition here (8 GB) , which uses the ReiserFS filesystem (version 3.6 if I am not mistaking) and is mounted as my /home. I want to split this partition in to two. I want to make my /home around 3 GB, and make a new 5 GB partition out of it. currently this partition has about 2 GB data in it. I wonder if such a thing is possible. Can I resize a ReiserFS partition, without losing data ? If yes, with what tool ? Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix ISO image is 715MB - How Do I burn it ?
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 00:54, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 12:28:08PM +0300, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > It has always worked for me. I use eroaster to burn CDs, and (for > > no appaent reason) the Knoppix iso image fits on a 700 MB CD. There > > is a feature in eroaster (which is just a frontend anyway) which > > allows "over burning". I guess it has something to do with this > > option. > > Actually, it has more to do with the fact that the metric system gets > weird with computers. Kilo, mega, giga, etc are working off base 2 > instead of base 10 numbering. This means a kilobyte is 1024 bytes, a > megabyte is 1024 kilobytes, and 715,000,000 bytes is 698.2 MB, not > 715 MB. Well, I didn't say that it was 715 MB, i said that I was able to burn it on a 700 MB CD. Anyway, thanks for the info Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trouble with Mozilla Java plugin
On Monday 02 June 2003 14:01, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:51:30 +0300, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > On Sunday 01 June 2003 14:49, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti > > Dutra > > > > wrote: > >>Any pointers to an explanation about why is that? > > > > Take a look at Re: Compiler choice for OSS (WAS: Re: Trouble with > > Mozilla Java plugin) tread. > > Not enough for my curiosity. Then I guess you should specify in more detail, what exactly you are looking for, so that someone here, might be able to provide you with more information, to satisfy your curiosity :-) Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix ISO image is 715MB - How Do I burn it ?
On Monday 02 June 2003 00:15, Al Dykes wrote: > I just downloaded that latest knoppix image and tried > to burn it. I can't because it's in excess of 700 MB > and my burning software complains. > > > The ISO image is 716MB and all the CDR media I find is > 700MB, max. I've burned knoppix images before. > > Am I missing something ? > It has always worked for me. I use eroaster to burn CDs, and (for no appaent reason) the Knoppix iso image fits on a 700 MB CD. There is a feature in eroaster (which is just a frontend anyway) which allows "over burning". I guess it has something to do with this option. Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compiler choice for OSS (WAS: Re: Trouble with Mozilla Java plugin)
On Sunday 01 June 2003 15:09, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > --- Aryan Ameri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > The compiler version is always important (due to the nature of C). > > For example Mozilla 1.4 can be compiled with gcc on windows, but no > > plugin would then work with it, because all the plugins have been > > compiled with the Microsoft compiler. > > This is something I have always wondered about. Why do OSS projects > use gcc for every platform except Windows? I thought one of the > great advantages of gcc was that is was ported to pretty much every > operating system. Why not just always use gcc? Then there would be > no need to maintain separate makefiles for different compilers. I am a rookie programmer, so there are probably other people in this list with more insight on C and it's compilers, but here is my opinion: In the ideal world, you shouldn't care about compilers. In this world you should write ANSI standard codes, and then all compilers should produce the same binary out of it. However, in reality this is not the case. Compilers are not ABI compatible with each other. Even different versions of the same compiler might not be ABI compatible with each other (gcc 2.x versus gcc 3.x). when writing programs, programmers should write the code for a special compiler in mind. The Linux kernel 2.4 is written to be compiled with gcc 2.x, the windows kernel is written to be compiled with microsoft's compiler, and so forth. I once tried compiling KDE 3.0 and Linux kernel 2.4 using the Intel compiler; it never worked. Now, you ask why OSS programmers don't use gcc on windows? Well, some do, but gcc is not Windows' compiler. gcc is the compiler for linux, BSD, and Mac OS X, not on Windows. If you want ABI compatibility with other programs on windows, as they are not probably compiled with gcc, it wouldn't be a good idea to compile your programs with gcc. As the example with mozilla on windows shows. Macromedia will never use gcc to compile flash on windows, so if you compile mozilla with gcc, then it wouldn't work with flash (and java and ...). Just my $0.02 Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trouble with Mozilla Java plugin
On Sunday 01 June 2003 14:49, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:39:41 +0300, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > On Sunday 01 June 2003 07:15, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > >> That sure did the trick (I didn't realize the gcc version had an > >> impact). Thanks. > > > > The compiler version is always important (due to the nature of C). > > Any pointers to an explanation about why is that? Take a look at Re: Compiler choice for OSS (WAS: Re: Trouble with Mozilla Java plugin) tread. Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trouble with Mozilla Java plugin
On Sunday 01 June 2003 07:15, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > --- Nathan Poznick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > That is almost undoubtedly due to that version of Java being > > compiled with gcc 2.95, and mozilla being compiled with gcc 3.x. > > The dates on the files from that mirror are quite old... Try using: > > ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.1/i386/01/j2re-1.4.1-01-linux-i586 >-gcc3.2.bin > > > That is a version compiled with gcc 3.2, and it works for me > > (whereas the version from that apt archive doesn't). > > That sure did the trick (I didn't realize the gcc version had an > impact). Thanks. > The compiler version is always important (due to the nature of C). For example Mozilla 1.4 can be compiled with gcc on windows, but no plugin would then work with it, because all the plugins have been compiled with the Microsoft compiler. Just my $0.02 Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help with XMMS radio, specifically KPFB
On Saturday 31 May 2003 02:01, Dale Hair wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 12:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Silly question 3 of 3: XMMS used to come up with KPFB in the > > playlist, and it would work! Now after tweaking and geeking and > > getting XMMS to actually play CD ROMs for the first time, I've lost > > the radion station. I've tried searching for URLs on the web, but > > nothing I add to the playlist works. XMMS documentation is fairly > > minimal in this area. Anyone willing (perhaps off-list) to help me > > with this? > > The mp3 stream is http://aud-one.kpfa.org:8080. > If you need more help with this or other radio streams I'd be glad to > help. I listen to several different stations in mp3, wma, and ra. wma ? I would like to be able to listen radio stations which broadcast in wma. I guess you probably use mplayer, but how did you integrate it with your browser? And also about ra, I have realplayer installed, and it works for playing local files (I have to kill alsa before starting realplayer), and I have installed it's browser plugin (Mozilla plugins page, correctly recognize it) but when I click on a radio stream (those files which start in rtsp://) mozilla doesn't know what to do with them. Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems installing Netscape in unstable distro
On Friday 30 May 2003 22:08, Sara Gil Casanova wrote: > Hi! > > I usually use Konqueror or Mozilla, but today I was having a lot of > problems with no W3C-compliant web sites, and I wondered if using > Netscape instead I had a chance to see them a little "better". Do you > think it could be so, or would they look like as in Mozilla? No, in Netscape 4.xx a webpage might look different than in Mozilla, but in Netscape 6 and Netscape 7, it would look just like Mozilla shows it. Netscape is just a rebranded mozilla, with some stuff like java and flash added to it. The engine of them is gecko, and they both will show a webpage exactly the same. Actually now that I think of it, I remember that Netscape 7 is built on Mozilla 1.0, and probably new mozilla versions do a better job of showing non compliant webpages than mozilla 1.0/Netscape 7 So, if nither Mozilla, nor Konqueror nor Opera shows the page as it should, and telling them to lie about their identity to the website also doesn't work, then IE 5.5 on Wine might be the last soloution. Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Hurd
On Thursday 29 May 2003 01:39, Kent West wrote: > deFreese, Barry wrote: > >>deFreese, Barry wrote: > >>>>From: Kent West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>>I just installed the Hurd on a Gateway E-1800. It's a bare > >>>> minimum install, with lots of broken-ness. > >>> > >>>Which ISO did you use, K3?? > > > >The latest should be K3. DId you look here? > > > >ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/iso/ > > No. However, since I seem to be broken pretty substantially at the > moment, I may try downloading it and doing a reinstall. However, will > that give me any advantage over fixing my current problem and just > apt-get upgrading the system? > > It's about time for me to subscribe to the Debian-Hurd mailing list. > The regulars here on this list might be getting tired of seeing > Hurd-related stuff. AFAIK this list's name is Debian-user, it doesn't mention what kernel, and I don't think it is only for Debian GNU/Linux users. I think it is a list for all debian users, no matter what the kernel is. Sure, debian-hurd is more specific, but I don't consider Hurd stuff OT here. And last thing, I guess the number of hurd interested people in this list, is more than those in debian-hurd list ;-) Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: The Hurd
On Wednesday 28 May 2003 22:48, David Fokkema wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 02:20:00PM -0500, Kent West wrote: > > I just installed the Hurd on a Gateway E-1800. It's a bare minimum > > install, with lots of broken-ness. > > > > And they say installing Debian GNU/Linux is hard. Debian GNU/Linux > > is a piece of cake. If anyone ever complains about how hard it is > > to install Debian again, point 'em to the Hurd. > > > > But I'm having fun . . . :-) > > Maybe you could keep us posted on how useable the Hurd is? I'm certainly interested in that. I guess it would be a good idea if you report on the usability side of Hurd. Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Novell Challenges SCO and claims ownership of Unix
Hi there: As a while ago The SCO lawsuite and it's consequences on GNU/Linux was mentioned in this list, I thought I would update the list that it has been found that SCO's claims has been found to be completely groundless, as SCO does not own any IP or Copyright on Unix. Novell does. Bruce Perens described this as "A response to Open Source community's call" and said : "We knew that SCO's attack on Linux was a lie. But we never dreamed of the big lie behind it. Novell has answered the call of the open source community, We admire what they are doing. Based on recent announcements to support Linux with NetWare services and now this revelation…Novell has just won the hearts and minds of developers and corporations alike." I really found reading Novell CEO's letter interesting. Specially this part: " Importantly, and contrary to SCO's assertions, SCO is not the owner of the UNIX copyrights. Not only would a quick check of U.S. Copyright Office records reveal this fact, but a review of the asset transfer agreement between Novell and SCO confirms it. To Novell's knowledge, the 1995 agreement governing SCO's purchase of UNIX from Novell does not convey to SCO the associated copyrights. We believe it unlikely that SCO can demonstrate that it has any ownership interest whatsoever in those copyrights. * Apparently, you share this view, since over the last few months you have repeatedly asked Novell to transfer the copyrights to SCO, requests that Novell has rejected. * Finally, we find it telling that SCO failed to assert a claim for copyright or patent infringement against IBM. SCO's actions are disrupting business relations that might otherwise form at a critical time among partners around Linux technologies, and are depriving these partners of important economic opportunities. We hope you understand the potential significant legal liability SCO faces for the possible harm it is causing to countless customers, developers, and other Linux community members. SCO's actions, if carried forward, will lead to the loss of sales and jobs, delayed projects, canceled financing, and a balkanized Linux community. To read Novell's press release go to http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/05/pr03033.html Also take a look at this Inquirer story http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9724 The question that come's to mind is, what exactly did Microsoft buy from SCO ? Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webcam
On Tuesday 27 May 2003 18:06, Chris Short wrote: > Ok, can anyone help me by suggesting what package I can install to > get a webcam working - it is USB. > > The idea with my debian server will be to host my own website...along > with a page with a webcam. check www.linux-usb.org to see wether your camera is supported or not. If yes, load the appropriate module into the kernel, and then start using your webcam with a program such as xawtv or gnomemeeting. Cheers -- /* There is SCO owned IP all over the Linux kernel. SCO will hunt them. Free software infidels are liars. We will kill them all, and roast their stomach in hell. Our estimates show that all slashodot viewers will die. --Mohammad Al-Sahhaf SCO Sopkesman, Former Iraqi information minister*/ Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS
On Sunday 06 April 2003 15:57, Joydeep Bakshi wrote:
> Hi all,
> during the debian installation, I have faced some question about CVS.
> what is this *CVS* & why we need this ?
http://www.cvshome.org/
http://www.loria.fr/~molli/cvs/doc/cvs_toc.html
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[solved] Output Plugin for xmms
Sorry, just installed xmmsarts, and everything is now alright. Guess I should have checked apt first before sending my message. Sorry for the inconvenience Cheers On Saturday 05 April 2003 15:51, Aryan Ameri wrote: > Hi there: > > I just installed xmms 1.2.7.-3 (from sid repository), and I can't > play a mp3 file with it. When I click on the play button, I recieve > an error message, advicing me to check > > 1. My output plugin > 2. That no other programs are blocking > 3. That my sound card is configured properly > > Well, as no other program is playing any music at the time, and as my > soundcard is configured properly ( I am able to play the same file > with noatun), so I checked my xmms output plugin. > > I have tree output plugins there: > > 1. OSSDriver 1.2.7 > 2. eSound Output Plugin 1.2.7 > 3. Disk Writer Plugin 1.2.7 > > And non of them seem to work. > > BTW, I guess KDE starts alsa when KDE is tarted, though I don't know > weather this is related or not. > > Help appreciated > Cheers Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Output Plugin for xmms
Hi there:
I just installed xmms 1.2.7.-3 (from sid repository), and I can't play a
mp3 file with it. When I click on the play button, I recieve an error
message, advicing me to check
1. My output plugin
2. That no other programs are blocking
3. That my sound card is configured properly
Well, as no other program is playing any music at the time, and as my
soundcard is configured properly ( I am able to play the same file with
noatun), so I checked my xmms output plugin.
I have tree output plugins there:
1. OSSDriver 1.2.7
2. eSound Output Plugin 1.2.7
3. Disk Writer Plugin 1.2.7
And non of them seem to work.
BTW, I guess KDE starts alsa when KDE is tarted, though I don't know
weather this is related or not.
Help appreciated
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Does the GPL requires recognition?
Hi there:
A basic licensing question:
Does the GNU GPL, requires authors of derivative works, to give credit
to the original authors or not? I mean, let's say if I write a GPL
program, and someone uses a portion of my code in his GPL software, is
it mandatory for him to give me credit for my work?
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How to access a file with RTSP protocol?
Hi there:
Many of the files in our university's server, have an address that
starts with "rtsp:\\" I investigated a bit, and it seems that RTSP is a
standard protocol for real time streaming, which is recognized by IETF.
Still, nither mozilla nor Konqueror aren't able to do anything with
these file. left clicikng on file, and right clicking on it and issuing
the "save link target as.." command simply do nothing.
How can I access these rtsp files? How can I doenload/listen to them?
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Re: Does anyone know an application that ....
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 08:23:49PM +0100, dave selby wrote: > > I also need "site statistics software" or "traffic analysis > > software", again preferably with a GUI, any suggestions ? nedstat -- /* My name is Jehovah. I have a special plan to save the univesrse, but because of heavenly security reasons I can't tell you what that plan is. Your's just going to put your faith in me, because I see the picture and you don't. You know I'm good, because I told you so. If you don't believe me, I'll trow you on my enemies list and trow you in a pit where Infernal Revenue Service will audit your taxes for eternity*/ --RMS Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Designing a Website
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 14:48, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 04:48:33AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 09:33, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > > I am a freshman student, in Computer Studies. A project has > > > recently been assigned to us in one of our courses (intro to > > > computers), and as I don't have experience building websites, I > > > am seeking your advice in this regard. > > > > > > The project is to design and make a personal website. We aren't > > > given any > > > > Building personal web pages as Computer Science?? I can't see the disadvantage of learning html, css and so on. And furthermore, in building a website, you can also learn other things like Apache, MySQL, and PHP, which is actually what I am currently doing. > Computer *Studies*, not Computer Science. The emphasis is usually > important. Actually it's *Computer Studies and Information Technology* Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -Henry Spencer Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Designing a Website
On Saturday 29 March 2003 22:04, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 08:24:53PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > > I don't remember so. > > > > I recommend you read Nettiquets one more time. > >^^ > That's "netiquette". Spelling errors happen, when english is not your mother language, and when your spellchecker, can not identify you word. > Since you brought up netiquette, I have some complaints: > > [ your sig ] > > > /* Those who do not understand Unix > > *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ > > -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux > Your sig does not begin with a single line consisting of the three > characters "-- " (ignoring the quotes); such a delimiter is considered > standard. ASAIKS, my sig does have that "-- " character, because KMail 1.5 automatically puts it before the signature. > Secondly, as far as I am aware your tagline is misattributed (though I > confess I'm not sure whether you are claiming "UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux" > said that tagline or not). I believe it is widely accepted that Henry > Spencer is the origin of that quote. I got that quote, from a website called UNDEAD EVIL Linux. It's the website of a Linux distro, and in the website, the original author of the quote wan't mentioned, so I thought maybe it's their own original quote. Anyway, I will change it, now that I know the original author. And BTW, thanks for the URL you gave me. It seems to be a valueable resource about CSS. Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Designing a Website
On Saturday 29 March 2003 21:16, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 18:24, Aryan Ameri wrote: > [...] > > > Did I ask for a tutorial on Basic html tags? > > or did I ask wether graphic intensive websites are good pr bad? > > > > I don't remember so. > > Dude, > > take a chill pill, the guy was just trying to be helpful and you are > being rude and abnoxious. > > > I recommend you read Nettiquets one more time. > > Have you ? Please bear in mind that you posted an off topic post and > Eric was merely trying to be helpful. If anything, you should thank him > for his time and mention that you were hoping for answers in another > direction. > > I'll remember to think twice before answering your posts in the future, I personaly apologized to him. immediately after that message. It was rude of me, and I myself disobeyed nettiquets, I know. Anyway, I guess I am screwing things really bad right now. it has been the third time during the last couple of days, which I posted something inappropriate, and then apologized (publicly or privatly). I guess maybe I'm not in the right state of mind right now, maybe it would be better for me to stop posting for a couple of weeks Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Toy Story List
On Saturday 29 March 2003 20:35, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 09:50:43AM -0800, JS Bangs wrote:
> > Interesting--but how many characters are there in Toy Story? What are the
> > plans for naming released when we run out? We already seem to have gone
> > through most of the major ones.
>
> Toy Story 2 ...
And who says there won't be a toy story 3 ?
;-)
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Re: [OT] Designing a Website
On Saturday 29 March 2003 20:05, Eric G. Miller wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 05:33:54PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > Hi there: > > [snip] > > > So, he really cares about a website's design, and insists that a site > > should be as graphic intensive as possible, and should have as much video > > audio, and animation in it as possible. ( I should show him RMS's website > > once :-) > > You could design the website entirely as preformatted text with ASCII > art "graphics". Then you'll only need a couple of tags: > > > > ASCII DOOD! [snip] > > Heavily graphics intensive websites are often the ones with the least > valuable content. Did I ask for a tutorial on Basic html tags? or did I ask wether graphic intensive websites are good pr bad? I don't remember so. I recommend you read Nettiquets one more time. -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Designing a Website
Hi there: I am a freshman student, in Computer Studies. A project has recently been assigned to us in one of our courses (intro to computers), and as I don't have experience building websites, I am seeking your advice in this regard. The project is to design and make a personal website. We aren't given any outline on the design, we don't have any limitation on what we can put in the website, and we don't have storage limitation either. By giving us all these freedoms, our professor wants us to be innovative and to make original and creative web sites. This professor, has got his PhD in the telecommunication field, and is a communication expert. He has worked with Sun workstation and servers, and I bet his Unix knowledge is far greater than mine. Still, he (like everyone else) is heavily windows dependent, he uses windows on his laptop and desktop (again like everyone else here), and is the kind of guy which certainly don't care about standards. for example he thinks very high of macromedia flash. Windows is the standard, right? So, he really cares about a website's design, and insists that a site should be as graphic intensive as possible, and should have as much video audio, and animation in it as possible. ( I should show him RMS's website once :-) Anyway, so here I am, and I should design a webpage that will please this guy. I unfortunately don't have the time, nor do I have the ability to start teaching him "why standards matter". So if my page sucks (graphically), but it uses valid HTML tags, and W3C validator thinks it's perfect, still; the guy won't pay a damn sh**, and will give me a low grade. In a nutshell, I want to design a website, that is pleasent to eyes, the webpage should be dynamic, and at the same time, I don't want to use non-free software in developing my site, and I don't want it to be non-standard. Is there such a souloution? I know some basic html, but I haven't really designed a website yet. Where shall I begin? What shall I use? Is it possible to design a *nice* and a *standard* webpage? I don't want to start coding html in Emacs. I have heard that there are some free tools available, for the purpose of building websites. But I don't have a clue about any of them. Any advice or URL, or howto that you can point me to, is greatly appreciated. Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How long is linux going to be free ?
On Saturday 29 March 2003 12:51, Paul Johnson wrote:
> IANAL.
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 09:21:49PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> > Copyleft software, does not have owner,
>
> Actually, it does have an owner,
[snip]
Hey, I already said that, this was a mistake. And I apologized for my poor
explanation. Instaed of saying free software doesn't have owner, what I
should have said is that when software is GPL, then no one will be able to
take this back.
Do you have to remind someone a thousand times about his mistake, even after
he confesses that he was wrong?
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Re: KNOPPIX as an installer for Debian
On Saturday 29 March 2003 12:03, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:20:57AM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > We all shall be thankfull to Knopper, for his wonderfull idea and work. > > But Peopel (including me) have been telling knopper for some time, that > > his project is really taking momentum but right now, he just doesn't seem > > to recognize this. No wonder we are seeing Knoppix being forked everyday. > > God, I hope that isn't the case. I have a dickless workstation (well, > it's Win2000 with Novel and I can't get a login here but am allowed to > use the computer[1], so all intents and purposes, it's diskless) and I > really like having something at work that is kind of in synch with > what I run at home. I've actually spent more time in the last couple > of months at a Knoppix box than sitting at Ursine's console directly. Don't get me wrong, I love Knoppix. It is wonderful, from a users point of view. However, when you try to change stuff in knoppix (I'm not talking about merely changing the packages, but on changing the background, changing the bootscreen, changing the scripts in order to change the name "Knoppix" to something else, and so forth), then, you will see how ugly knoppix is built. Nothing is standardized, nothing is modularized and nothing is reuseable, I am just glad that comments in the scripts are atleast in english. Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Toy Story List
On Saturday 29 March 2003 10:47, Lindsay Yardley wrote: > Now come on you guys get serious! > Stop talking Woody and Potatoe this is *not* a "Toy Story" list, this is > serious puter stuff! Excuse me? But I always thought that Debian's releases names are taken from Toy Story. So, this is indeed a serious debian mailing list, but indirectly, we use toy story names. -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian's release support policy
On Saturday 29 March 2003 01:19, ow wrote:
> IMHO, Debian should establish a clear security/critical bug support
> policy and post it on your support/security page where it's easy to
> find.
> Something like "we support our releases for 24 months (or whatever)
> from the date of the release" would be very helpful, I think, to all
> Debian users (and developers). This way everyone knows what to expect
> well in advance and has enough time to prepare, there are no surprises.
I second that.
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Re: Convincing someone to switch to Linux
On Saturday 29 March 2003 02:37, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> -MS Windows controlled BIOS setup (I just found out the new Toshiba laptops
> have no more "hit to enter setup" on boot. It is all handled through
> Windows utilities written by the vendor)
Oh, This can be the worst news of the day for me. I always thought something
like this will be impossible.
Isn't this illegal? If toshiba is doing this, by M$'s request, then it clearly
is violation of anti trust (or what ever law), right?
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Re: How long is linux going to be free ?
On Saturday 29 March 2003 02:21, John Hasler wrote: > > You can also link non-GPL code with GPL code as long as the license on the > non-GPL code does not impose additional restrictions. I don't think that is right. AFAIK you can't link non-GPL compatible software, with GPL software. for example you even can not link software published under MPL (Mozilla ...) with GPL. I might be wrong though :-) Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How long is linux going to be free ?
On Saturday 29 March 2003 01:23, Rudy Gevaert wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 06:41:37PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > No, you can't link non-GPL code with GPL code. That counts as a derived
>
> I fact, you can't link non-GPL code with GPL code and distribute it
> (*), but nobody will stop you from linking non- with GPL-code on your
> own system from private use.
>
> (*) But what about e.g. the non free nvidea drivers? These do link
> with the Linux kernel, and Linus doesn't mind.
That's because the Linux's licence, clearly states that this is legal.
But you can't e.g run these drivers on Hurd.
Ofcourse, many of us have problems with Linus's behaviour towards non-free
software, but
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Re: How long is linux going to be free ?
On Friday 28 March 2003 23:15, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 09:21:49PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > First of all, you get the wrong meaning for copyrighted. Free software is > > copyrighted. Linux, and all GNU softwares are copyrighted. Copyright > > software is not the opposite of free software, we use terms like non-free > > software, proprietary software, and lock-in software, to imply the > > opposite meaning of free software. > > ...so far, so good... > > > But if by Linux, you refer to the platform, it is not possible for anyone > > to make Linux a proprietary software. Because of the nature of copyleft > > (as in GPL), you can never get things away from the community. Copyleft > > software, does not have owner, so though lenghy discussions about this > > can be made, the short answer to your question is : No, no single entity, > > individual, company, or government can ever be the owner of free > > software, and rule it. > > ...but then you fall into the same misunderstanding you were just > trying to dispel. Copyleft/GPL software _does_ have an owner: The > copyright holder(s). This allows such things as TrollTech being able > to license a Free version of their libraries under the GPL while > simultaneously offering a commercial version under a more > conventional license or other companies offering the latest version > of their software as proprietary code and GPLing older versions. Something like MySQL AB I guess right? > The key, of course (and perhaps this is what you were trying to get > at), is that once software is distributed under the GPL, there's no > way to rescind the GPL on that version of the software. Taking it > back on later versions can be tricky as well, since (as noted by an > earlier post in this thread) it would require the consent of all > copyright holders (i.e., all contributors to the project, unless > they've assigned the copyright on their contributions to the project > manager). Yup, you explained what I wanted to say in a better way. You are right, I shouldn't have said free software doesn't have owners, it does have owners. What I wanted to say, was that once software is copyleft, you can't get it back from the community. thanks for clearing this. Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX as an installer for Debian
On Friday 28 March 2003 19:56, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Btw, has anyone else found that the English ISO of Knoppix 3.2 for 24
> March 2003 displays a lot of things in German even if you include
> "lang=us" in the boot command? Older versions of Knoppix did not do this
> to me.
OT, but I guess people wont mind, because Knoppix is also kinda debian.
I haven't seen Knoppix 3.2 yet, but as Knopper mainly uses german in his
contacts, and in the only Knoppix mailing list available (running by
linuxtag.org), I won't be suprised to find that the next version of knoppix
won't even support any language, other than german.
We all shall be thankfull to Knopper, for his wonderfull idea and work. But
Peopel (including me) have been telling knopper for some time, that his
project is really taking momentum but right now, he just doesn't seem to
recognize this. No wonder we are seeing Knoppix being forked everyday.
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Re: How long is linux going to be free ?
On Friday 28 March 2003 18:06, adit y wrote: > Since i started liking the Debian Linux, i started > thinking about Linux in general and thus some > questions about linux in the long term. OK, welcome to the free software world Note: in all my sentences, free means free as in freedom. > 1. How long is it going to be free ? Actually many ask the opposite. Will the day come, that all softwares on earth will be free? Optimists like me, like to think that the answer to this question is yes. > 2. Is there any possibility of this becoming a > copyrighted software in future ? ( i mean some > company taking over and saying that only i am the > owner and only i can make modifications) First of all, you get the wrong meaning for copyrighted. Free software is copyrighted. Linux, and all GNU softwares are copyrighted. Copyright software is not the opposite of free software, we use terms like non-free software, proprietary software, and lock-in software, to imply the opposite meaning of free software. The answer to this question of yours, depends on the what you mean by Linux. If by Linux you mean, the kernel, yes, it is possible for any company to use the Linux kernel, and add a proprietary shell, a proprietary X, and a proprietary desktop enviroment to it. But if by Linux, you refer to the platform, it is not possible for anyone to make Linux a proprietary software. Because of the nature of copyleft (as in GPL), you can never get things away from the community. Copyleft software, does not have owner, so though lenghy discussions about this can be made, the short answer to your question is : No, no single entity, individual, company, or government can ever be the owner of free software, and rule it. > people start using a graphics file format for 5 years > because they think it is free, create millions of > graphics and one fine day it's not free because the > compression algorithm it is based on is patented. That's why, the free software community cares about software patents, and thinks that software patents are wrong. that's why we have made things like ogg and png. > So are there any tabs here in linux where it can not > become not free in future. so any gpl derived software > needs to be gpled but what about the other way, can > you start including non gpled software ,closed sourced > modules in gpled software. if that is possible then > with each new release can included a included a lot of > non gpled software being used from gpled, eventually > by the time you get into version 50.0 it might become > 2% free and 98% not free. looks like some flavors of > linux are going that way. No you see, you can run proprietary software on the GNU/Linux platform, but you can not even link GPL software with proprietary software. No proprietary module can get in a free software. So, things which are free will always be free, they won't become 50% free (such a thing doesn't exist, either something is free, or it is not). Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with apt-spy
Hi there: When I run apt-spy, I get an error message saying ::: [* Setting type to binary ... ::: Unrecoverable Error [1]: Could not retrieve list from DEBIAN.ORG I have used apt-spy with success previously. Is there anything wrong with debian.org? Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX as an installer for Debian
On Friday 28 March 2003 11:07, Ed Lawson wrote:
> Aryan Ameri wrote:
> >On Friday 28 March 2003 07:33, Leo Spalteholz wrote:
> >>yes. However the stable repository will most likely have older
> >>packages than what is in Knoppix. S
> >
> >Well, KNOPPIX is a bloody mixture of srage/sid/potato/woody.
>
> My experience in shifting the apt sources to Debian was that Knoppix
> became a real pain and all the HW detection and automatic configuring of
> the system which Knoppix does very well indeed was lost. I have not
> installed Morphix on a hard drive, but it might be cleaner while using
> the great Knoppix HW detection and config features.
Yeah, I have heard about this Morphix, and some suggest that it has a much
cleaner designe that Knoppix, but I have heard that Morphix is still an
infant project, and not mature enough.
What about Libranet? Has anyone tried installing Libranet, and the pointing
the repository to Debain's repository and upgrade packages? Do you think it
is doable?
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Re: Debian's release support policy
On Friday 28 March 2003 14:20, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:35:48PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> > I think that's the release date of Woody. Potato was released long before
> > that.
>
> Not according to the Potato release page.
According to Potato's release page, Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 a.k.a as potato was
released on 14 august 2000.
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Re: God answeres my prayers to get off this list, "NO!", God says, "Your pain must endure forever!!!"
On Friday 28 March 2003 12:04, Colin Watson wrote:
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Someone should make a law, in order to punish people who wast bandwidth with
so much stupidity. I am ashamed that an individual who cant distiguish
his/her mail addresses, is using Debian.
These things were supposed to happen for the users of that other OS. Right?
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Re: Debian's release support policy
On Friday 28 March 2003 11:30, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Potato (most recent obsolete branch, which I kind of wish was renamed
> "espy" in memory of the late debian developer to which potato was
> dedicated) will continue to get security updates until June of this
> year. It was released July 13, 2002. One year.
I think that's the release date of Woody. Potato was released long before
that.
Why should security fixes stop? Well, Why shouldn't anyone running potato
upgrade to woody?
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Re: KNOPPIX as an installer for Debian
On Friday 28 March 2003 07:33, Leo Spalteholz wrote: > > yes. However the stable repository will most likely have older > packages than what is in Knoppix. S Well, KNOPPIX is a bloody mixture of srage/sid/potato/woody. Belive it or not, it is badly broken, I don't even know how Knopper builds the system, but I tried changing some stuff in knoppix once, and remastering it, and I faced so many dependencies, that I actually started replacing most of Knoppix's packages myself. That was Knoppix 3.1 thought, now 3.2 is out, and it might be better. Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX as an installer for Debian
On Friday 28 March 2003 07:02, Terry Milnes wrote: > Is it possible to use KNOPPIX as a installer for Debian? Once I have > KNOPPIX installed then add Debians stable apt repository to add the other It is possible. Many people have done this. Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 23:26, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Wednesday 26 March 2003 03:22 pm, Kent West wrote: > > I think that what most people who clammer for a GUI installer really > > want is a more easy-to-accomplish installation, not necessarily a > > graphics-based installation. Of course, I could be wrong. (That'd be the > > third time this year if I am - doh!) > That's me. I don't need an X based installer -- just one that can take > some of the frustration out of installing. I second that. Is debain's installer hard for a first time installer? yes it is. Is debain's installer that hard that it's not useable? No, it's not. Many pleople like the idea of a graphical installer. It makes things, like i18n and l10n for some languages possible. But some (like me) can underestand that it's hard to develop and maintain such a thing on all these architectures. So, do I like a graphical installer? yes, I do, but it's not neccessary, a text based but inituative installer, with better hardware detection, can be the answer for the debain installer (at least, for the time being). Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: philosophy mailing list
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 12:02:53PM -0500, Natali Gulbahce wrote: > > Is this a philosophy mail list or Debian user list? ُTrying to seperate *nix from philosophy has never worked in the past (And I hope things like Lindows won't change it in the future). This is not a CISCO or a windows mailing list. People here, have philosophical and political ideas, which are usually related to the software they use. When you are in a *nix mailing list, and things become philosophical, you shall either i) ignore that tread or (usually what I do) ii) enjoy the tread ! Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Me again...
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 05:49, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 18:39, Mr. Baldwin wrote:
> > have been led to believe that Debian will not be as simple to set up
> > and use as Red Hat (although my experience with Fink indicates that
> > package mgmt is much simpler). All the same, I am eager to sink my
>
> If you know enough about Linux to understand most of the terminology the
> Debian installer should really be straightforward. The only thing that
> I'm aware of that gets a lot of first time users is the need to load
> some modules by hand during the install process. Other than that you
> shouldn't have any real problems that I can think of. Printing out the
> restuls of lsmod on your RH install before you start might prove to be
> useful later.
Yes, just try to grab as much information from your RedHat box as possible,
like the chipsets, the divers, and especially, the modules. This should solve
most of your problems. Also, you might want to backup your
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ( or whatever it is called in RedHat ) because, you
might face problems in setting up X on Debian.
If you have ever worked with fdisk on your redhat, then you will feel at home
with Debian's partition program. cfdisk which is used in Debian is a great
tool, and it has clear guidlines. But still, like other debian admin
packages, you should know what you are doing.
But, installing Debian is a just a one time job. You don't ever need reinstall
it. Apt will take care of updating the system.
And congradulations on your achievements in your school. admitedly, it takes
most of us, more than 2 years to reach where you currently are. :-)
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Re: Making PDF document in KWord
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 15:21, Kent West wrote: > Aryan Ameri wrote: > >When I want to make a PDF document with KWord (Using print menu), KWord is > >able to make a pdf file, but the result is crappy, many words are not in > >their original position, and all in all, it is unreadable. However, making > >PostScript files works fine, but anyway, windoze users can't view PS > > files. > > > >Is there any reason why the resulted PDF files are like this? Any way I > > can repair this? > > > >BTW, I am using KOffice 1.2.1, on KDE 3.1.0 RC 5 > Can't answer your question, but you might try making a PS file, and then > run ps2pdf against it to create a PDF file from the PS file. Maybe your > results will be better. Well, I guess I know where the problem is being caused. As I said, I can make PS files perfectly, and I can pdf them with ps2pdf.However, ps2pdf12 ( which produced pdf version 1.2 documents ) works great, but when I try ps2pdf13 ( version 1.3) or ps2pdf14 (version 1.4 ), the resulted files are crappy and unreadable. I guess because KWord also defaults to pdf version 1.3, that's why the problem occures. Any ideas on why pdf 1.2 documents are produced perfectly, but when I try to convert a PS file into PDF 1.3, the resulted file is unreadable ? Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multilingual Support as in Windows
On Thursday 20 March 2003 11:13, Muhammad Asif wrote: > I need some clear guidelines towards a bit confusing issue. I need to > evaluate what kind of support/services are available in Linux as in > windows xp for devloping and viewing Multilingual applications. > Such applications need support both at backend and front end. Currently i > need more to work on fron-end support. What i can understand yet is some > services like Regional Settings provided by OS like windows can be used to > format Multilingual data according to a Locale. Similalry OS should be > capable of storing/retreiving data in Unicode. I need some > comparison/feature of Linux what kind of support/services it provides to > develop/view the multilingual apps? This is a completely off topic tread. I don't know what led you to post this to Debian User's mailing list. There would have been many better mailing lists for this subject. i18n ( internationalization ) support is available in many layers in the the GNU/Linux world. I have never worked on any i18n project on Windoze, but I am part of a couple of teams, which have localized some application like KDE into my language ( farsi ). Unlike the Windoze world ( Where everyone uses MFC ), in GNU/Linux we have many many software development toolkits which are used for creating and writing programs. The most important ones are the X toolkit, Gtk, and Qt .( Some may argue that Motif is also important, while ceratinly it is still being used in many Unices, in the GNU/Linux world, because of it's proprietary license, it's not that much popular ). All of these toolkits , offer some i18n and l10n support. So programs written in them can be localized and can have i18n support. Although the level of support of diffrent languages varies between these toolkits. My experience shows that Qt has the best i18n support. Qt and Gtk do support Unicode ( utf-8 ). I'm not shure about the X toolkit. Generaly speaking, please don't use these ' as in windows ' term so much. GNU/Linux developers don't try to do things ' as in windows '. And, currently, the level of i18n and l10n support, offered in recent versions of KDE and Gnome, is far more advanced than the level of support in tha last version of windoze. Using KDE 3.1, I can change my keyboard layout with just a single click. I can change the interface of the progarm, without even restaring my OS. In order to change the interface in windows, you usually have to recompile the OS, which is M$'s job. And to answer your question, no you don't need diffrent distros for i18n and l10n support. Most current distros, have many kind of i18n support, although there are distros, aiming to providing the best experience for a specific language. I guess you are from Pakistan, and as far as I know, there are no Ordu keyboard layouts in XFree86. The first step for i18n is to design a keyboard layout ( according to the acepted standards in your country ) and put it into XFree86. After that, if your language uses Unicode encoding, then you probably won't have problem with i18n in most Qt and Gtk applications. For localization, someone should translate the program. The best way to do so is using Portable Object, and therefore, you need a PO editor to start translating a program. such programs exist, like POEdit, Emacs and KBabel. Other than that, desktop enviroments, also have guidlines, on how to translate the desktop enviroment. There are *many* documents and websites and groups, dedicated to the subject of l10n and i18n support in GNU/Linux. A google search would have provided you with far more efficent answers about this subject, than this mailing list. > Do we need language specific distribution of linux to acheive above goals > or like windows we can change settings specific to locale within same > distribution? oh c'mon, as in windoze, as in windoze , as in windoze. What's so special about this OS that when ever I talk GNU/Linux, all my friends use this ' as in windoze ' term? No offense intended, but... Cheers -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Check the update from Microsoft.
On Wednesday 19 March 2003 23:57, Ernst-Magne Vindal wrote: > Gianfranco Berardi wrote: > > Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > >> Got this message in my Inbox today, and it appears that it > >> was sent to a bunch of subscribers to debian-user. It had > >> an executable file attached, q157498.exe, which is, of course, > >> a virus, if anyone had any doubts. > >> > >> j. > > > > OYou mean Microsoft DIDN'T send a patch to fix my Debian > > machine? B-) > > > > That is pretty annoying though. I got about two or three of them in the > > past week or so. > > > > For some reason, my local LUG's mailing list also has been getting > > virii. Must be a new trend? well now that we are here, let me ask, is there any way to tell KMail, to delete all messages with .EXE attachments? -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Check the update from Microsoft.
On Wednesday 19 March 2003 22:36, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > Got this message in my Inbox today, and it appears that it > was sent to a bunch of subscribers to debian-user. It had > an executable file attached, q157498.exe, which is, of course, > a virus, if anyone had any doubts. Yeah, It's funny, sending M$ EXE files as the name of patch, to debian users ;-) Weird things happen in this world . -- /* Those who do not understand Unix *are condemned to reinvent it, poorly */ -UNDEAD Evil GNU/Linux Aryan Ameri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
