font problem in xterm

2003-04-01 Thread Bob Paige
Ever since I installed truetype fonts, I've had the odd problem with xterm.

Sometimes when I open an xterm, the characters are double-spaced 
horizontally (like this:
	b o b c o m : ~ $ _

and sometimes the are not:
bobcom:~$_
I have not been able to discern a pattern of when it works and when it 
doesn't.

Interestingly, if I start some app that runs in a console (I'm using 
KDE2) it always looks fine. Also, if I start konsole, it also works fine 
always (and uses the ttf).

Thoughts?

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Re: KNOPPIX as an installer for Debian

2003-03-28 Thread Bob Paige

Yeah, I have heard about this Morphix, and some suggest that it has a much 
cleaner designe that Knoppix, but I have heard that Morphix is still an 
infant project, and not mature enough.

What about Libranet? Has anyone tried installing Libranet, and the pointing 
the repository to Debain's repository and upgrade packages? Do you think it 
is doable?
I use Xandros, which is kinda like Libranet (I think).

It is a commercial distro, in that they include their own non-free 
applications, but the install was very easy and the hardware detection 
is excellent.

I've run potato and woody in the past, so once I installed Xandros 
(which is a mixture of woody and unstable) I updated my sources list and 
 have been happily adding Woody packages.

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Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-26 Thread Bob Paige

I think that what most people who clammer for a GUI installer really 
want is a more easy-to-accomplish installation, not necessarily a 
graphics-based installation. Of course, I could be wrong. (That'd be the 
third time this year if I am - doh!)
My opinions:

First, I think some people were raised on WIMP interfaces and are just 
plain scared of text-based interfaces. Call it a mental block, but I've 
seen it.

Second, as far as easy-to-accomplish installation, I think what is 
really lacking is two things:
1. better hardware detection
The recent proliferation of desktop distros (Lindows, Libranet, Xandros) 
distinguish themselves by having better hardware detection and easier 
configuration of things like Samba and NFS.

2. don't-ask-me-questions install
Coupled with better hardware detection, this seems to be one of the 
first things reviewers comment on. I just clicked a couple buttons, and 
when I came back in 30 minutes it was installed. True, they are only 
perpetuating the falicy that any idiot can run a computer, but an awful 
lot of idiots run Windows (Never underestimate the power of stupid 
people in large groups).

I consider myself to be fairly computer-literate, but I still use a 
commercial Linux distro (Xandros, which is based on Debian) because it 
does what I have considered to be the more archane configuration stuff 
for me (nVidia drivers, printing to Windows-shared printers, exporting 
Samba and NFS shares).

Windows has succeeded by letting anyone do just about any stupid thing 
they want. What I think people need is an OS that leads them in the 
direction of doing intelligent things by _teaching_ them along the way. 
The Windows approach seems to be we'll make it easy for the user to do 
stupid things (i.e. insecure things) and say it was their own fault.

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updating KDE menus

2003-03-25 Thread Bob Paige
First, even though I'm using KDE, I do think this is a debian question.

Whenever I install a new app, the KDE menus get updated. Cool. Better 
than I've seen in other distros.

However, some apps I install aren't debian packages. How do I update the 
KDE menus to see my new apps? I've been able to use the KDE menu editor 
to add some things, but it seems that after that the menus don't auto 
update when I install another debian app.

Is it just me, or is there a better way (i.e. debian way) to do this?

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[OT] Backup solutions

2003-03-20 Thread Bob Paige
I've been running my debian system without a backup for about a year 
now. I understand the need for backup (hence this message) so please, no 
assaults for not using one.

Questions:
1) what is better for backup, tape, or CD? (I already have a CD burner)
2) if tape, what is a good/inexpensive product to use?
3) what software works best?
I did some googling and found Linux-Backup.net (and others). It appears 
the state of backup for Linux is to use tar or afio and backup entire 
images. I haven't found examples of backing up multi-GB archives that 
span multiple tapes/CDRs.

I'm imagining a baseline backup with periodic (maybe weekly, maybe more 
often) incrementals. I can easily copy my relevant files (3GB+) to a 
bunch of CDs, but then how do I keep track of newer backup copies that 
should replace older versions? I am looking for software smart enough to 
do this.

Opinions?

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Re: [OT] Backup solutions - my preferences

2003-03-20 Thread Bob Paige

Haven't used amanda, have you?  Just set yourself up with a
decent-sized holding disk and it's not a problem.  (Your backups will
finish fast, too.)  My amanda server at work can easily run a week's
worth of backups without needing a tape, just saving it all up on the
holding disk.  Just be sure the holding disk is a separate physical
device to minimize the chance of losing it if the system's primary
drive fails.
I would like to use CDR instead of tape, but I've heard that Amanda 
requires you to use a new tape for each session (good or bad). If I wait 
until the end of the week, assuming I've accumulated only 500-600MB of 
changes, will it back it all up onto the single CDR? What if it 
accumulated more than would fit on a disk, would it span multiple disks?

Also, if you wait until the end of the week, does Amanda keep multiple 
generations of the files modified during that week in the holding disk, 
or only the most recent modification?

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Re: [OT] New Mobo, etc

2003-03-19 Thread Bob Paige
Bill wrote:
Hi,

FYI Those MSI boards can go up to a 2600 with a BIOS Update. Gotta love MSI!
:-) You have to change the memory though but it's a cheap upgrade for those
that want the speed.
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/cpu_support/cpu/spt_cpu_detail.php?UID
=386NAME=MS-6593
Then only bad part I see out of it is that the FSB doesn't change. It's
still 266Mhz.
Another question.

My computer was actually supposed to work up to something like 1500MHz, 
but I've only been able to get it to go ~1200MHz. Still plenty fast 
enough, but I've been curious about what the problem could be.

For example, if you go into the BIOS and select 'high performance 
settings', it ups everything to the theoretical max speed for your 
configuration (I believe). Problem is, I can't even do a POST with that 
setup; it fails at the RAM test. So I've decreased the clock rate a 
little at a time until I found one that was stable.

Any ideas what the problem could be? I got the machine mailorder.

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Re: [OT] New Mobo, etc

2003-03-18 Thread Bob Paige
Bill wrote:

Hi,

FYI Those MSI boards can go up to a 2600 with a BIOS Update. Gotta love MSI!
:-) You have to change the memory though but it's a cheap upgrade for those
that want the speed.
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/cpu_support/cpu/spt_cpu_detail.php?UID
=386NAME=MS-6593
Then only bad part I see out of it is that the FSB doesn't change. It's
still 266Mhz.
Bill

- Original Message -
From: Jeffrey L. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] New Mobo, etc
 

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   

Hi,

I am looking to update my home computer system.  Does anyone have a
recommendation for a good motherboard (I'm thinking Athlon 2200 - 2400)?
More importantly, are there any mobos/chipsets to avoid?  Anyone have
experience with an MSI KT4VL?  Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.
 

I have a MSI K7T266 Pro2 for a year (only good up to a XP 1800+).  It
has behaved well.  I have not tried anything fancy like overclocking.
   

I have a K7N420 Pro board. I initially had trouble finding the nVidia 
drivers, but now it works fine. To avoid problems, I dropped in a 
tulip-compatible 10/100 ethernet card; the built-in network doesn't work 
without the drivers, and you need a network to get those...

As far as a bios update for more speed, doesn't that require a faster 
CPU chip also? And how do you install the BIOS update if you have a 
'pure' system (no M$ installation)?

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Re: alternative to endeavour2

2003-03-13 Thread Bob Paige
martin f krafft wrote:

i have a tree of all the documents i ever touched in the last 14
years, and i would like to reorganise it. there are 120,000 files
and thus i am reverting to a GUI approach; on the shell, my fingers
would fall off, mc is nice but a little archaic to use i find, so
i want a mouse-driven proggie.
there's endeavour2. it's nice. But until it can put a filter on
files and weed out dotfiles and links out of the display, it's
hardly usable.
so i wonder: are there cool alternatives to endeavour2, other then
konqueror? i don't do KDE, i'd prefer GTK. if it has to be gnome
than that's more alright since galeon forced me to install most
libraries anyway already.
the bazaar is open. suggestions to me!

 

xftree?

Very fast and supports filters. I just opened it on my Mozilla cache 
directory in about 2 seconds (2,244 files, 16MB).

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Re: alternative to endeavour2

2003-03-13 Thread Bob Paige
martin f krafft wrote:

also sprach Bob Paige [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.03.13.2218 +0100]:
 

xftree?
   

is that packaged for Debian?

wajig install xfce

You can run xftree without starting the rest of the pieces.

also, please don't CC me, as I request in my footer. no biggie though.
 

Sorry, I don't read everyone's footers (some are very lengthy).

Speaking of replying, I use Mozilla-Mail. Is there a way to have it 
default to replying only to the list, and not all recipients?

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Re: Kernel panic: No init found.

2003-03-12 Thread Bob Paige
Warwick Brown wrote:

tbh it looks like you have lost some vital system binaries, your best bet is 
to boot off the rescue disk, back up yer data files and reinstall, but make 
sure u bad block check the disks when u reformat them, coz lappies do get 
bounced around a fair bit, so disk damage shouldnt be ruled out
 

I had a similar problem when I hosed the partition table on my boot 
disk. I had been experimenting with hdparm (not a smart thing to do).

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Re: kde fonts stuff ...

2003-03-08 Thread Bob Paige
Dave Selby wrote:

I have bought a 15 TFT. I love it, its great. However while experimenting I 
changed some fonts for kde via the conroll centre, look  feel, fonts.

This resulted in some huge fonts especially in xterm ! 

I selected use defaults and apply, the fonts are now listed as mainly 
helvetica 12, however although they have changed back in the controll center 
they have not changed back in kde. I have re-booted the system, 
 

I am also having a strange problem with fonts.

I recently installed some packages that installed some fonts, and now 
several X applications display only boxes instead of characters! 
Following an earlier thread on fonts, I tried reconfiguring defoma, to 
no avail.

Do I have to reboot when I install more fonts?

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Re: kde fonts stuff ...

2003-03-08 Thread Bob Paige
Bob Paige wrote:

Dave Selby wrote:

I have bought a 15 TFT. I love it, its great. However while 
experimenting I changed some fonts for kde via the conroll centre, 
look  feel, fonts.

This resulted in some huge fonts especially in xterm !
I selected use defaults and apply, the fonts are now listed as 
mainly helvetica 12, however although they have changed back in the 
controll center they have not changed back in kde. I have re-booted 
the system,  

I am also having a strange problem with fonts.

I recently installed some packages that installed some fonts, and now 
several X applications display only boxes instead of characters! 
Following an earlier thread on fonts, I tried reconfiguring defoma, to 
no avail.

A clarification: fonts work fine in KDE (v2.2) for a directly-connection 
monitor, but not under vncserver. The vncserver is launching the same 
desktop (KDE) and same user, but the fonts are messed up.

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Re: Dumb question: How do you reboot?

2003-03-07 Thread Bob Paige
Nathan E Norman wrote:

On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:36:16PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
 

On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:37:29PM -0800, Leo Spalteholz wrote:
   

CTRL+ALT+DEL is more equivalent to shutdown -r now than holding the 
power button..
 

To be precise, under a default debian config, C-A-D is equivalent to
`/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now`, per /etc/inittab.
   

[ No technical content, just a funny story ]

At a prior job, we had a bunch of servers in a datacenter.  Some of
the datacenter people liked to play with the keyboard; one of them was
convinced that the only server OS in the whole world was Windows NT.
He liked to try to log into Windows NT servers (some of the servers
that were running NT had easy passwords, I guess).
One day this fellow discovered MY servers.  The console screen didn't
dissuade him; he just hit ctrl-alt-del to get a login screen.  Sigh.
Unscheduled downtime.
Shortly afterward, /etc/inittab had this entry:

ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/bin/echo Nice try, dumbass

And yes, the datacenter guy eventually disappeared.

 

Isn't this a good example of why _not_ to have ctrl-alt-del reboot the 
system?





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Re: XDMCP and client requirements

2003-03-07 Thread Bob Paige
Rob Weir wrote:

Could you setup the box to log to another machine using syslog-over-TCP?
This'd tell you if/when the kernel goes nuts.  Also, recent 2.4 kernels
(at least) start nuking things when memory gets tight.
That said, 32MB should be enough to run an X server...that's more RAM
than most Unix workstations wuold have had 15 years ago.  I *think* it's
possible to run swap over NFS or such, but I'd say it'd be pretty hacky,
at best :)
 

I've done another experiment: I switched to using IceWM instead of KDE. 
I thought I had the problem licked last night, but when I came back to 
the machine this morning, it was frozen. All I had going was the IceWM 
desktop.

Another variable, just in case it will shed any light: I'm using a USB 
ethernet adapter (Linksys USB100M; very small). I've heard in the past 
of problems with USB ethernet adapters disconnecting and causing 
problems, but even when I was running the locally installed image it 
never froze like this.

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Re: XDMCP and client requirements

2003-03-07 Thread Bob Paige
Here's a related question: Once you are running an XDMCP session on the 
client, is there any way to invoke an executable on the client machine?

Specifically, I want to be able to turn off the screen on the client 
machine, which can be accomplished by running a special executable on 
the client. The image I am running locally (based on Midori) came with 
IceWM pre-configured to run this executable when the user hit the 
'power' switch on the keyboard. Makes it behave more like an appliance 
if you have 'instant-on' and 'instant-off' (so to speak).

Another possibility I've considered would be to not use XDMCP but 
instead NFS mount everything and invoke it from the client. I'm not 
concerned about NFS security issues because this is just in my house. 
The only way I can think of doing this would be to start X locally, open 
an xterm, log into the server, and run apps from there.
The display would be the client, but the CPU would be the server's.

Any better ways? The main reason I'm considering some workaround is 
because I'm assuming the problem has to be with the XDMCP connection.

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apt-get security question

2003-03-07 Thread Bob Paige
I am curious about how secure the apt-get system is; is it possible to 
spoof a debian server and thus send compromised updates to a given machine?

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Re: apt-get security question

2003-03-07 Thread Bob Paige
nate wrote:

Bob Paige said:
 

I am curious about how secure the apt-get system is; is it possible to
spoof a debian server and thus send compromised updates to a given
machine?
   

If you have 3rd party apt sources in your sources.list it is very
easy to spoof an update. Which is one reason I don't have 3rd party
sources, a couple years back I had I think kde.tdyc.com for KDE updates
on potato, and for some 4#!# reason whoever runs the mirror put a new
version of SSH on there, I managed to catch it quickly when my SSH
settings broke a few minutes later.
But in your case, the maintainer put up some bogus packages.

What I'm really thinking about is the appropriateness of using Debian 
for a Linux-based appliance. At my work they have Linux appliances, but 
they are always based on RedHat. I would think the apt-get functionality 
would be much more reliable than RPM-hell.

In the debian-appliance scenario I don't think you'd want to use the 
standard debian sources. Rather, you'd want to control them, for example 
the manufacturer of the appliance could run a server of approved/tested 
updates. That way we could provide application updates in addition to 
security updates to a customer box.

So, what is the chance that someone could spoof access to an update 
server? Does apt-get provide some sort of security (i.e. ssh connection 
to the server, or digital signatures on the packages)?

it would be nice if there was a setting to set priority to certain
sites. e.g. do not update ANY packages that are installed unless they
come from X site. or maybe better, ONLY allow X packages to be installed
from this mirror.
Doesn't apt_preferences do this? I've only used it a little bit.

when I do need 3rd party sources I add them, do the update/install
carefully then remove them and run update again so the cache is
flushed.
Or if the number of packages to install is small enough, just download 
them and install them.

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Re: XDMCP and client requirements

2003-03-07 Thread Bob Paige
Dave Sherohman wrote:

On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 09:19:04AM -0500, Bob Paige wrote:
 

Another variable, just in case it will shed any light: I'm using a USB 
ethernet adapter (Linksys USB100M; very small). I've heard in the past 
of problems with USB ethernet adapters disconnecting and causing 
problems, but even when I was running the locally installed image it 
never froze like this.
   

My luck with USB NICs has been pretty bad as well.  Any chance of
going to a more reliable connection?
Keep in mind that with XDMCP, the display is being managed by a
remote machine.  If you lose contact with that machine (like, say,
because of a flaky NIC), would you not expect the terminal to appear
to have locked up?  It may be running fine itself, but if it can't
send input to the XDMCP server or get display updates back...
 

What about running X locally and starting the window manager remotely? I 
_think_ the advantages would be:
1. less sensitive to NIC hiccups; assuming my NIC is being flaky, I 
never noticed before when running locally-hosted applications, so I 
would think that the connection would be re-established before a TCP 
timeout (wouldn't it?)
2. window manager would present a list of apps installed on the server 
(not the client)

Of course, the biggest disadvantage is starting the whole thing up 
because it would require a manual step to go to connect to the server 
and start the window manager, but I might be able to script that. Also, 
since it is running at home (behind a NAT box) I'm not so concerned 
about being hacked.

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XDMCP and client requirements

2003-03-06 Thread Bob Paige
I am trying to set up a XDMCP server and client. The client is a hacked 
Compaq Internet Appliance with 32MB RAM and an on-board flash disk 
holding the Linux image.

Problem is, about 45-seconds into the session, the client freezes.

Could it be that the client doesn't have enough RAM, and crashes?

I've accomplished pretty-much the same thing using VNC instead of XDMCP, 
but XDMCP is much more responsive for me, so I'd like to try that.

Thoughts?

- Bobman

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Re: FW: Sound Blaster Live Support

2003-02-25 Thread Bob Paige
Administrator wrote:

Sound support seems to be one of the less well documented areas for
Linux in general and Debian in particular (go ahead, flame away and
point me to the how-to's I missed!).
I know I SHOULD be able to get a happy configuration with my Sound
Blaster Live - but I'm not getting very far.  The frustrating part is
the lack of consistency - sometimes I can get things to work, and
sometimes not.
I'm trying to get comfortable with Debian - to actually get a feel for
how it works (without messing with code or re-compiling the kernel!) and
how to support it.  So I just keep re-installing to see which steps mess
me up less than others.
Can someone point me to a resource to understand the sound support
available in Debian?  Stuff that will explain to me the differences
between OSS, ESD, ALSA, etc.?  And then of course adding a desktop
environment like KDE or GNOME adds another layer.
BTW, I'm using Woody - I think.  I started messing with my sources.list,
just for fun, and I may have partially upgraded to Sarge or Sid.
 

I had the same problem. What you need is the driver for your sound card. 
For the SoundBlaster Live card, it is emu10K.

Unfortunately, I had all kinds of trouble getting this driver to compile 
and load. I could only find it as source, not a .deb file.

Fortunately, when I upgraded from kernel 2.2.x to 2.4.20 (that is from 
'testing'; I think 2.4.19 is in 'stable') it included the emu10K driver 
as a module, so it just worked.

To change kernels, run dselect (or your favorite apt frontend) and pick 
a newer kernel. It will update your lilo configuration. Reboot, and it 
should 'just work'.

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Gnome workspaces

2003-02-21 Thread Bob Paige
I've noticed an odd behavior of Gnome.

I have a keystroke mapped to the sawfish event to go to the next 
workspace. If I try to go to the 'next' one when I'm already at the 
'last' one, it adds a new one. I've checked 'workspaces' in the control 
center and it is still set to '4'.

How do I get rid of these extra workspaces without logging out and 
logging back in?

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Re: Gnome workspaces

2003-02-21 Thread Bob Paige
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:


On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:13:30AM -0500, Bob Paige wrote:
| I've noticed an odd behavior of Gnome.
| 
| I have a keystroke mapped to the sawfish event to go to the next 
| workspace. If I try to go to the 'next' one when I'm already at the 
| 'last' one, it adds a new one. I've checked 'workspaces' in the control 
| center and it is still set to '4'.
| 
| How do I get rid of these extra workspaces without logging out and 
| logging back in?

Look in sawfish' configuration.  It has the option to
   1)  add another, empty, workspace
   2)  wrap around to the first
   3)  do nothing

Options 1 and 2 are gone in sawfish 1.2.  (I like option #2)

sawfish also has the option to automatically delete empty workspaces.
 

OK. I feel like an idiot. Now it works as expected.

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Xandros

2003-02-04 Thread Bob Paige
Has anyone here used Xandros? I know it is based on Debian, but I wonder 
if it would be worth the $40 to get their easier installation and 
better Windows integration assuming you can still access the standard 
Debian archives.

- Bobman


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Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Bob Paige
Narins, Josh wrote:


Um, Bush believes in Creationism, not Science. He's said so himself.

And  there was Reagan, with his astrologers.

Is it any wonder space ships fall from the sky when these guys were in
charge?  Rockets don't stay up on faith.

Of course the 1.9% budget cuts for the program had nothing to do with it.
Trickle down means that 1.9% less is more.

Bush has given Saddam two weeks to prove he had nothing to do with the
Shuttle disaster, or he will nuke them back to the Stone Age.



 

I fail to see the relationship between 'creationism', 'astrologers', and 
the space shuttle.

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multimedia keyboard

2003-01-31 Thread Bob Paige
I have one of those 'multimedia' keyboards with extra buttons to control 
your CD player, volume, launch applications, etc.

Using xmodmap I have successfully mapped the special keys to XFree86 events:
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 176 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 164 = XF86AudioStop
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 162 = XF86AudioPlay
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 229 = XF86Search
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 223 = XF86Standby
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 160 = XF86AudioMute
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 153 = XF86AudioNext
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 144 = XF86AudioPrev
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 236 = XF86Mail
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e keycode 178 = XF86HomePage

Then I setup keyboard shortcuts under sawfish in the Gnome Control Center.

The problem is that they don't always work! For example, if I have no 
windows open, they don't work. If I open an xterm, they work. If I'm 
using Mozilla, they work. If I'm doing Java development in Eclipse, they 
don't work.

It seems fairly application-specific, but I expected them to work all 
the time. Is this possible?


- Bobman


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Re: freezeups with Logitech wireless mouse

2003-01-31 Thread Bob Paige
Paul Winkler wrote:


I have used both woody (xfree 4.1) and now testing  (Xfree 4.2) with 
the wireless logitech keyboard and mouse.  I have had no problems which 
were not resolved by pushing the reset switch on the keyboard, mouse, 
and control unit.  Each of these buttons looks different and fooled me 
for sometime - make certain you are indeed pushing all the correct 
buttons if you have trouble.
 

Thanks for the sample config. I was using the wrong protocol for my 
mouse; once I switched it (and restarted X) my mouse wheel worked! 
However, I still swapped-out the mouse when X was restarting; I didn't 
feel like risking a freeze.

As far as the reset buttons, I've tried those in the past. It didn't 
resolve the freeze at those times.

- Bobman




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freezeups with Logitech wireless mouse

2003-01-30 Thread Bob Paige
I purchased the Logitech wireless mouse/keyboard combo (I really like 
it) but have always had some amount of trouble with them.

Under Mandrake, I could never start X with the wireless mouse connected. 
If I did, the mouse would be very jerky. Instead, I had to connect a 
wired mouse, start X, then connect the wireless mouse.

Under Debian (and XFree86 4.2), if I start X with the wireless mouse 
connected, the computer freezes. I literally have to power-cycle it. If 
I start X with a wired mouse then switch, it works fine.

Clearly, the mouse is the problem.

Any thoughts as to how I can fix this annoyance? Granted, I don't reboot 
the machine often (this is Linux!) but if I forget to swap out the 
mouse, rebooting becomes very time-consuming.

Related issue: the logitech mouse has a scroll wheel and an additional 
button for the thumb that I've never been able to get to work under Linux.

Thanks in advance!

- Bobman


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Re: Howto redirect output from a terminal

2003-01-29 Thread Bob Paige
Michael Kahle wrote:


I am not sure how to ask for what I want here.  But, here goes.  I was using
dump to make a backup of a directory on my computer.  This was started from
a terminal in X.  As it was running I could see in the terminal window all
the status output from the program.  Good.  This backup job took a long time
to complete and so I went home while the backup was still running.  When at
home I ssh'd into the box to see if the dump process was still running, it
was.  Then I got to thinking, how can I see the output of this program in my
current ssh session?  Is there a program that exists to allow me to redirect
the output of a program running in a terminal to another terminal?  I hope I
am explaining this clearly.
 

I use 'screen' for this alot, but you have to start it ahead of time.

Screen acts as its own virtual terminal. You start screen from any 
terminal and it leaves you at a terminal prompt. Now you can do whatever 
you want (i.e. start your backup). From another terminal (ssh'd in or 
otherwise) you can cause that screen virtual terminal to be displayed on 
your new terminal and not the original one. The screen manpage describes 
all the keystrokes and options required for this.

Another great use of screen is to open multiple virtual terminals in a 
single terminal window. Once I ssh into a machine, I usually start a 
screen session so I can have multiple terminal windows to work with. 
That way I don't have to start multiple terminals on my machine and ssh 
into the target machine individually.

- Bobman




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Re: LinkSYS BEFSR41 router

2003-01-28 Thread Bob Paige


When you try to connect from the outside with port forwarding on
(I have the BEFSR41 myself, I am quite pleased with it, although
now I want the wireless version) you just need to find out
what IP the router has...
 

Outpost.com has the wireless version of the SMC Barricade for $50 (after 
rebate):
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/3407343

- Bobman


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Re: Alas and alack.

2003-01-28 Thread Bob Paige
I'm a big Linux fan because of usability, extensibility, flexibility, 
and security issues.  I believe that the different mechanisms 
available with GNU software, especially the Debian GNU/Linux way, 
lends itself well to dealing with these issues.  But not even Debian 
can deal with systems that are improperly managed.  Apparently some 
people still don't take software maintenance seriously.  Self managed 
systems can help some, but it still takes involvement from people, and 
that will always be the bottom line as far as I am concerned.

Being something of a newbie myself, can someone suggest a way to keep a 
system up to date?

I know through apt-get (or wajig) you can automatically download and 
install the latest updates, but I would like to see a system that 
automatically notifies you (via email?) when such an update results in 
new packages being installed.

Ideas?

- Bobman


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